Rafael Cruz, father of Ted Cruz: “Evolution is a Communist lie”

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Pastor Rafael Cruz dips more than just his foot into the wingnut wading pool:

You know communism or socialism, whatever you want to call it, what is happening in this country is not different than what happened in Cuba; the procedure might be different, they may be a little slower, but it’s the same thing. It is about government control of your lives. You got to realize how Marxist, how socialism works. We need to understand the issues. When you hear all these things about homosexual marriage, this has nothing to do with homosexual rights. Did you know that? The whole objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with homosexuals, they could care less about homosexuals, they want to destroy the family.

You need to understand, it’s just like evolution. You know most Americans have their head in the sand about evolution. I’ve met so many Christians that tell me ‘evolution is a scientific fact.’ Baloney! I am a scientist, there is nothing scientific about evolution. But you know something, Karl Marx said it, ‘I can use the teachings of Darwin to promote communism.’ Why? Because communism, or call it socialism if you think communism is too hard a word, necessitates for government to be your god and for government to be your god they need to destroy the concept of God. That’s why communism and evolution go hand and hand. Evolution is one of the strongest tools of Marxism because if they can convince you that you came from a monkey, it’s much easier to convince you that God does not exist.

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354 comments
1 BusyMonster  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:15:50pm

Wow, he’s stupid.

2 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:26:39pm

It’s like Conservapedia decided to get up and walk around.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:26:40pm

(I had to de-wingnut the quotes, sorry. That was just too much purple text to put on the front page.)

4 Joanne  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:29:37pm

I keep thinking to myself, “Please don’t ever stop talking…both you and your son” because Teh Crazee is strong in that family and the wider they’re heard, the more turned off (most) people will become.

5 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:29:38pm

I read he has a degree in math - how does that make him a scientist?

6 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:30:05pm

He’s a scientist?

How so?

7 euphgeek  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:31:57pm

I always tell wingnuts, “If you think evolution is a lie, then we have to free all criminals who were convicted on DNA evidence.”

8 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:32:59pm

Please proceed.

9 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:33:15pm

re: #6 b_sharp

He’s a scientist?

How so?

The Bible.

10 erik_t  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:34:13pm
communism or socialism, whatever you want to call it

Uh. Uh huh. “It”, the one singular entity.

Fail.

11 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:35:14pm

Great moments in Republican rebranding.

12 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:35:27pm

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”

“Beware of the person of one book.”

“Because of the diverse conditions of humans, it happens that some acts are virtuous to some people, as appropriate and suitable to them, while the same acts are immoral for others, as inappropriate to them.”

“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”

Thomas Aquinas, noted Liberal Progressive Socialist

13 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:35:50pm

re: #10 erik_t

Uh. Uh huh. “It”, the one singular entity.

Fail.

Another know nothing who has convinced himself he’s a know everything.

14 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:36:07pm

Evolution isn’t just a well understood, supported and documented phenomenon, we’ve actually observed it happening in the laboratory. And not only is it observable, it’s repeatable.

15 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:37:07pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

Evolution isn’t just a well understood, supported and documented phenomenon, we’ve actually observed it happening in the laboratory. And not only is it observable, it’s repeatable.

Bah, that’s just microevolution.

Where are the crocoducks?

Gotcha.

16 psddluva4evah  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:37:13pm

Ok, white folk…ya’ll gotta do better…seriously…SMDH!! Dressing your child up as a KKKlansman for Halloween…GTFOHWTS!!!

washingtonpost.com

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:37:52pm

re: #2 Lidane

It’s like Conservapedia decided to get up and walk around.

evolution!

18 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:37:58pm

OT but Oy Vey

washingtonpost.com

snip

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) said Saturday that Terry McAuliffe, his Democratic opponent in the race for governor, “brought plenty of chutzpah from New York” with him when he moved to the commonwealth.

19 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:38:59pm

With nutjobs like Cruz running things around Cuba, no wonder somebody like Castro was able to get support.

20 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:39:18pm

re: #7 euphgeek

I always tell wingnuts, “If you think evolution is a lie, then we have to free all criminals who were convicted on DNA evidence.”

DNA is God’s LEGO.

As a thrifty builder he just re-used the same DNA segments to make different kinds.

21 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:39:20pm

Bryan Fisher with a Cuban accent.

22 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:39:23pm

i’ve just sent away for the cruz family self-improvement CD set, “Talking Like A Fucking Moron With Utter Self-Confidence And Panache”

only $400 for the first set!

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:40:52pm

re: #18 leftynyc

OT but Oy Vey

washingtonpost.com

snip

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli (R) said Saturday that Terry McAuliffe, his Democratic opponent in the race for governor, “brought plenty of chutzpah from New York” with him when he moved to the commonwealth.

Had to bring his own. It is hard to find good kosher groceries in the wilds of Virginia.

24 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:41:09pm

Dear Mr. Cruz,

Since American is so like Cuba now then there is no reason to stay in this country. Please go back there and take your son with you. It’s your home and seemingly so familiar to you, why would you need to burden yourselves with another country falling under that black cloud of communism. Get out before there is no hope! Save yourselves.

Thank You.

PS. Maybe you don’t want to go back because you know that if you were in Cuba you’d never get away with what you are doing right now right here in America. Plus, I imagine you have a pretty good thing going on monetarily too, so that also may make you delay your leaving America. So, all I am left with is the thought that you and your son are wacky tea drinking political gadabouts trolling for profit. Save us…from your bullshit.

25 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:42:14pm

re: #6 b_sharp

He’s a scientist?

How so?

I’m sure God will be in that answer.

26 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:42:42pm
27 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:43:42pm

No need for guys like him to take next generation antibiotic medications then if there is no such thing as evolution.

28 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:44:07pm

I am a scientist

“geophysical consultant”, according to the innertubes

yah, imma scientist too

29 erik_t  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:44:47pm
Because communism, or call it socialism if you think communism is too hard a word, necessitates for government to be your god and for government to be your god they need to destroy the concept of God.

Whereas the modern Republican party necessitates for their God to be your government, and for their God to be your government they need to destroy your concept of government.

30 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:45:04pm
31 euphgeek  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:45:28pm

re: #20 b_sharp

DNA is God’s LEGO.

As a thrifty builder he just re-used the same DNA segments to make different kinds.

Yep, just like the same DNA segments he used to make apes and humans. :-D

32 thecommodore  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:45:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

No worries, but you have to admit, listening to some of these people is almost like reading all caps wingnut font without punctuation.

33 erik_t  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:46:34pm

The only way that legalized homosexual marriage can threaten heterosexual marriages is by making people in the closet feel like they can finally come out and be who they really are, so I certainly understand why it intimidates the likes of Bryan Fischer.

34 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:47:29pm

This guy is doing a better job of making me think God does not exist than Karl Marx ever could

35 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:47:39pm

re: #31 euphgeek

Yep, just like the same DNA segments he used to make apes and humans. :-D

Exactly.


And entropy (nothing to do with the 2LoT) prevents mutations from adding information to DNA.

36 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:49:04pm

re: #34 b.d.

This guy is doing a better job of making me think that God does not exist than Karl Marx ever could

I used to have a generally positive view of Christianity until I started listening to Christians.

37 nines09  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:49:47pm

Is he speaking to a head trauma ward? You have to be more than a little off for this to fly.

38 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:49:48pm

Borrowed Wifes iPad for the first time. Know why James is always erasing downdings.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:50:26pm

re: #28 dog philosopher

I am a scientist

“geophysical consultant”, according to the innertubes

yah, imma scientist too

no doubt board-certified, by himself…

40 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:50:32pm

re: #36 Kragar

I used to have a generally positive view of Christianity until I started listening to Christians.

I used to have a generally negative view of Christianity until I started getting beaten black and blue by my wife.

41 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:50:44pm

re: #18 leftynyc

lol antisemitism in the Virginia race?

Has he forgotten that he needs some votes in NoVa?

42 erik_t  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:51:05pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

no doubt board-certified, by himself…

I think I could find a board that would (cough) certify him…

43 nines09  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:51:25pm

re: #36 Kragar

I got confused with all the God is Love but you’ll burn in hell. Pity the Amish. They could burn in hell for dancing. Or wearing zippers. Or colors.

44 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:51:44pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Borrowed Wifes iPad for the first time. Know why James is always erasing downdings.

The word Wife should always be capitalized.

45 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:52:59pm

re: #43 nines09

I got confused with all the God is Love but you’ll burn in hell. Pity the Amish. They could burn in hell for dancing. Or wearing zippers. Or colors.

Amish twerking, or putting the Rump in Rump-springa.

46 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:53:20pm

necessitates for government to be your god

i’m hearing a lot recently about how us progressive types want government to be your god

yet another thing i hadn’t the remotest idea that i believed

i think i need to tune in more to rush limbaugh to find out about this stuff

47 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:53:43pm

re: #44 b_sharp

The word Wife should always be capitalized.

Proper wife, proper noun.

48 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:55:25pm

Speaking of wives, time to go pick mine up from work.

Traffic should be a dream with all the terrified old farts driving 10km/hr on the slippery streets.

And all the young shits slamming on their brakes when they slide a bit guaranteeing they lose control.

49 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:56:31pm

This guy left Cuba when he was what, 17, 18? He didn’t understand Marxism then, and he doesn’t understand it now. While Marx was an admirer of Darwin’s theory (in fact, both admired each other’s scholarly works but never met), and did mention it in Das Kapital as being a “natural” component of his overall economic theory, it didn’t form the basis for his work, nor did Marx or Engel’s work influence Darwin. They were separate disciplines, and neither intruded on the other.

Cruz’s entire story about what he did in Cuba is, to me, suspect. He no more followed Castro and “fought” with him than I did. What 14 yr old who didn’t know Castro was a communist would have put his life on the line for something he didn’t understand? What parents would have allowed it? I can’t prove he didn’t, but he can’t prove he did, either. It’s just part of the persona he’s invented for himself. People tend to love these stories of swinging from one extreme to another, esp when it’s from left to right.

And BTW, what is this “I am a scientist, there is nothing scientific about evolution”? Cruz earned a BS in math, and as far as I have read, earned no higher degrees. Getting oil on your hands doesn’t make you a “scientist”. This guy really stretches it. A lot.

As far as LGBT rights, I can remember meeting a couple of people who went on the Venceremos Brigades back in the 60s, and returned to relate how the Cuban govt would not allow gays to participate in visiting—they were considered “undesirables”. It was a very conservative attitude in Cuba toward gays, which surprised a lot of people. When Batista was in power, though, everything was wide open—esp if you had plenty of money.

50 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:00:47pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

no doubt board-certified, by himself…

i was board certified but they pulled the splinters out and now i’m fine

51 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:01:34pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Borrowed Wifes iPad for the first time. Know why James is always erasing downdings.

Stupid fat fingers!

52 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:01:50pm

re: #44 b_sharp

The word Wife should always be capitalized.

Unless it’s my brother Judas’s wife, aka Jezebel, who is my ex-Wife.

53 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:04:39pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Unless it’s my brother Judas’s wife, aka Jezebel, who is my ex-Wife.

Should probably capitalize Ex.

54 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:06:32pm

Hosting Rafael Cruz’ talk: West Houston Bible Church

The vision of West Houston Bible Church is to teach the Bible so that believers can develop critical thinking skills* about every detail of life.westhoustonbiblechurch.org

* How could I have come from a monkey if there are still monkeys?

55 nines09  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:08:41pm

re: #45 Kragar

Had a buggy go past me in a small Central Pa town. They had a boom box. They were playing AC DC. Some are plum crazy.

56 S'latch  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:09:37pm

Foaming-at-the-mouth Freakazoid Crackpot Dagwood Sandwich.

57 nines09  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:10:01pm

re: #51 jamesfirecat

Do the two finger spread and make the buttons larger on the iPad.

58 erik_t  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:10:34pm

re: #54 jaunte

Hosting Rafael Cruz’ talk: West Houston Bible Church

* How could I have come from a monkey if there are still monkeys?

How, even in an idealized crazypants world, does teaching the Bible teach critical-thinking skills? That’s… not what that word means.

59 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:13:00pm

re: #58 erik_t

How, even in an idealized crazypants world, does teaching the Bible teach critical-thinking skills? That’s… not what that word means.

Bible critical thinking: New ways to stick you fingers in your ears and say LALALALA

60 gwangung  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:14:44pm

re: #49 Justanotherhuman

This guy left Cuba when he was what, 17, 18? He didn’t understand Marxism then, and he doesn’t understand it now. While Marx was an admirer of Darwin’s theory (in fact, both admired each other’s scholarly works but never met), and did mention it in Das Kapital as being a “natural” component of his overall economic theory, it didn’t form the basis for his work, nor did Marx or Engel’s work influence Darwin. They were separate disciplines, and neither intruded on the other.

Cruz’s entire story about what he did in Cuba is, to me, suspect. He no more followed Castro and “fought” with him than I did. What 14 yr old who didn’t know Castro was a communist would have put his life on the line for something he didn’t understand? What parents would have allowed it? I can’t prove he didn’t, but he can’t prove he did, either. It’s just part of the persona he’s invented for himself. People tend to love these stories of swinging from one extreme to another, esp when it’s from left to right.

And BTW, what is this “I am a scientist, there is nothing scientific about evolution”? Cruz earned a BS in math, and as far as I have read, earned no higher degrees. Getting oil on your hands doesn’t make you a “scientist”. This guy really stretches it. A lot.

As far as LGBT rights, I can remember meeting a couple of people who went on the Venceremos Brigades back in the 60s, and returned to relate how the Cuban govt would not allow gays to participate in visiting—they were considered “undesirables”. It was a very conservative attitude in Cuba toward gays, which surprised a lot of people. When Batista was in power, though, everything was wide open—esp if you had plenty of money.

Actually, Darwin got his major inspiration from Adam Smith…

61 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:18:01pm

re: #19 b.d.

With nutjobs like Cruz running things around Cuba, no wonder somebody like Castro was able to get support.

Such ex-pats and second generation folk like the Cruz are not limited to Canada and Texas.

This is why and how Miami-Dade County FL, enacted their own foreign policy 40 years ago. The Republican party subsequently adopted Miami-Dade’s foreign policy.

62 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:19:39pm

re: #55 nines09

Had a buggy go past me in a small Central Pa town. They had a boom box. They were playing AC DC. Some are plum crazy.

That’s a feature, not a buggy.

63 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:21:02pm

re: #27 b.d.

No need for guys like him to take next generation antibiotic medications then if there is no such thing as evolution.

Or flu shots.

64 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:25:33pm
65 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:25:37pm

re: #60 gwangung

Actually, Darwin got his major inspiration from Adam Smith…

Adam Smith and David Ricardo were major influences in the development of Marx’s economic theory, as well.

66 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:29:23pm
I’ve met so many Christians that tell me ‘evolution is a scientific fact.’ Baloney! I am a scientist, there is nothing scientific about evolution.

Christian Scientist is not a a scientist, you befuddled old loon.

67 ausador  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:30:43pm

re: #1 BusyMonster

Wow, he’s stupid.

The apple didn’t fall far from the tree either…

68 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:32:54pm

re: #20 b_sharp

DNA is God’s LEGO.

As a thrifty builder he just re-used the same DNA segments to make different kinds.

Mother Nature is a jury rigger, not a designer.

69 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:34:35pm

re: #12 Kragar

“Man should not consider his material possession his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need.”

“Beware of the person of one book.”

“Because of the diverse conditions of humans, it happens that some acts are virtuous to some people, as appropriate and suitable to them, while the same acts are immoral for others, as inappropriate to them.”

“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”

Thomas Aquinas, noted Liberal Progressive Socialist

He was Catholic and thus not a Real Christian.

70 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:37:22pm

re: #60 gwangung

Actually, Darwin got his major inspiration from Adam Smith…

Be careful. If you demonstrate that fact to a creationist wingnut, his head explodes.

71 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:37:25pm

re: #1 BusyMonster

Wow, he’s stupid.

The man is a walking advertisement for why the Founders were so skeptical of pure democracy. Idiots like him can destroy a polity.

72 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:39:46pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Be careful. If you demonstrate that fact to a creationist wingnut, his head explodes.

I know! It’s almost as much fun as popping bubble wrap.

73 Joanne  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:40:42pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Borrowed Wifes iPad for the first time. Know why James is always erasing downdings.

Now try it on an iPhone, which I am on like 97% of the time! Apologies all around if I’ve DD’d you in error. And I don’t even have fat fingers! :-)

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:41:26pm

re: #72 Romantic Heretic

I know! It’s almost as much fun as popping bubble wrap.

But it’s so messy…

75 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:42:03pm

“Because communism, or call it socialism if you think communism is too hard a word, necessitates for government to be your god and for government to be your god they need to destroy the concept of God. That’s why communism and evolution go hand and hand.”

Clearly the man is not a social scientist either.

76 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:43:05pm

Rafael Cruz is to Science what Uwe Boll is to Directing

77 Joanne  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:45:19pm

re: #72 Romantic Heretic

I know! It’s almost as much fun as popping bubble wrap.

There’s an app for that. :-)

78 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:47:50pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

But it’s so messy…

And they’re not wearing helmets to contain the goo, like the Martians in “Mars Attacks.” Now that was convenient - it made clean up a snap!

79 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:49:19pm

re: #76 Kragar

Rafael Cruz is to Science what Uwe Boll is to Directing

Nah. Boll is an actual director (says Wikipedia). It’s more like Rafael Cruz is to Science what Claude Monet is to football.

80 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:50:14pm

re: #76 Kragar

Rafael Cruz is to Science what Uwe Boll is to Directing

Loud and incoherent have always been trademarks of Michael Bay.

81 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:50:59pm

I’m always fascinated by true crackpots, the guys who are utterly certain about the batshit loony stuff they espouse. You can see why people with underdeveloped logic or thinking skills can be bamboozled by these guys, because they’re relentless.

82 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:51:38pm

And even more nuttiness from this lunatic.

Does Ted Cruz Believe His Critics Will be Condemned by God?

motherjones.com

Why, yes, it certainly seems that way.

Oh for chrissakes, I’m going to hell.

83 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:51:40pm

re: #41 Internet Tough Guy

lol antisemitism in the Virginia race?

Has he forgotten that he needs some votes in NoVa?

NOVA AIN’T REAL VIRGINIA!!!

84 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:52:55pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

That’s a feature, not a buggy.

e_e

85 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:53:42pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

And even more nuttiness from this lunatic.

Does Ted Cruz Believe His Critics Will be Condemned by God?

motherjones.com

Why, yes, it certainly seems that way.

Oh for chrissakes, I’m going to hell.

On the other hand, do you really want to spend eternity with Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann?

86 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:54:33pm

re: #85 BongCrodny

On the other hand, do you really want to spend eternity with Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann?

Well, being an atheist, I just don’t worry about it; I just joke about it. : )

87 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:54:49pm

re: #71 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’ve been waiting to be on at the same time as you. I’d seen a ‘controversy piece’ in the Daily FAIL which concerned Franklin, TN (the piece was about Franklin being Miley Cyrus’s hometown and the reaction therein to her ‘antics’).

I remembered you said you’d written a song about the 1864 Battle of Franklin, but you hadn’t been able to post the whole of the song back when we talked about it. So I’d wanted to ask if you’d found the rest of the song since then.

88 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:55:18pm

re: #79 GeneJockey

Nah. Boll is an actual director (says Wikipedia). It’s more like Rafael Cruz is to Science what Claude Monet is to football.

Incorrect.

89 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:55:24pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I’m always fascinated by true crackpots, the guys who are utterly certain about the batshit loony stuff they espouse. You can see why people with underdeveloped logic or thinking skills can be bamboozled by these guys, because they’re relentless.

A lot of being able to sell ideas has to do with projecting belief in them. My crazy ex-boss reputedly could sell dirty socks, mostly because of his ability to project his belief in what he was saying. He didn’t always REALLY believe it, but you were absolutely certain he did. According to legend, he got one company to commit $30 Million on the basis of a smudgy band on a Southern Blot.

And this is to savvy, careful business people. Morons looking for something to believe in are much easier marks.

90 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:57:54pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Incorrect.

Boll may be a terrible director of execrable films, but there is a sense in which he’s a director. There is no sense in which Rafael Cruz is a Scientist.

91 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:59:24pm
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Heh, you ain’t just whistling Dixie!

92 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:02:06pm

re: #90 GeneJockey

Boll may be a terrible director of execrable films, but there is a sense in which he’s a director. There is no sense in which Rafael Cruz is a Scientist.

We’ll agree to disagree.
Or something.
;)

93 thecommodore  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:02:58pm

re: #76 Kragar

Rafael Cruz is to Science what Uwe Boll is to Directing

More like Rafael Cruz is to Science what Brandon Weeden is to quarterbacks.

94 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:03:13pm

Hahaha, maybe the Mormons are right and we do all get our own planet. ; ) I will not, however, worry about that, either. Who the hell would want to spend eternity all by oneself on a planet this size anyway?

Study: 8.8 billion Earth-size, just-right planets

bigstory.ap.org

Trying to imagine the size of the Milky Way is, however, mind-boggling, not to mention what’s outside of it.

95 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:04:48pm

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

Hahaha, maybe the Mormons are right and we do all get our own planet. ; ) I will not, however, worry about that, either. Who the hell would want to spend eternity all by oneself on a planet this size anyway?

Study: 8.8 billion Earth-size, just-right planets

bigstory.ap.org

Trying to imagine the size of the Milky Way is, however, mind-boggling, not to mention what’s outside of it.

This is why I know aliens exist. The universe it just too stupidly big for there not to be.

96 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:06:28pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

This is why I know aliens exist. The universe it just too stupidly big for there not to be.

And the fact none of them has contacted us proves they are intelligent!

97 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:07:28pm

re: #96 Kragar

And the fact none of them has contacted us proves they are intelligent!

Nah, too far away to slow boat it.
Since I don’t think FTL is possible.

98 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:10:06pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Nah, too far away to slow boat it.
Since I don’t think FTL is possible.

Nah, you just need a singularity drive. Collapse time and space at a point in front of the ship, allow the ship to fall into it, repeat. Think of it like a reverse Orion drive.

Now, all we need to to is produce a stable singularity repeatedly.

99 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:10:58pm

re: #75 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

“Because communism, or call it socialism if you think communism is too hard a word, necessitates for government to be your god and for government to be your god they need to destroy the concept of God. Thatâ€TMs why communism and evolution go hand and hand.”

Clearly the man is not a social scientist either.

yah the funny thing is that a major complaint of wingnut/free markup philosophers is that communism goes against the sacred principles of social darwinism

100 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:12:04pm

re: #98 Kragar

Nah, you just need a singularity drive. Collapse time and space at a point in front of the ship, allow the ship to fall into it, repeat. Think of it like a reverse Orion drive.

Now, all we need to to is produce a stable singularity repeatedly.

Hmmm….
Throwing bombs behind me or throwing singularities ahead of me…
Seems safe.
/troll

101 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:13:41pm

Hey, they’re working on warp speed.

Faster Than the Speed of Light?

nytimes.com

“Einstein famously postulated that, as Dr. White put it, “thou shalt not exceed the speed of light,” essentially setting a galactic speed limit. But in 1994, a Mexican physicist, Miguel Alcubierre, theorized that faster-than-light speeds were possible in a way that did not contradict Einstein, though Dr. Alcubierre did not suggest anyone could actually construct the engine that could accomplish that.

“His theory involved harnessing the expansion and contraction of space itself. Under Dr. Alcubierre’s hypothesis, a ship still couldn’t exceed light speed in a local region of space. But a theoretical propulsion system he sketched out manipulated space-time by generating a so-called “warp bubble” that would expand space on one side of a spacecraft and contract it on another.

“In this way, the spaceship will be pushed away from the Earth and pulled towards a distant star by space-time itself,” Dr. Alcubierre wrote. Dr. White has likened it to stepping onto a moving walkway at an airport. “

102 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:14:10pm

re: #98 Kragar

Nah, you just need a singularity drive. Collapse time and space at a point in front of the ship, allow the ship to fall into it, repeat. Think of it like a reverse Orion drive.

Now, all we need to to is produce a stable singularity repeatedly.

i suggest hiring cgi federal as the contractor for this

103 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:14:55pm
But you know something, Karl Marx said it, ‘I can use the teachings of Darwin to promote communism.’

He forgot to mention Hitler.

104 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:14:56pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

Hmmm….
Throwing bombs behind me or throwing singularities ahead of me…
Seems safe.
/troll

With the singularities, you also draw in a cloud of matter you can filter for hydrogen and other elements.

105 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:14:59pm

Rafael Cruz is to Science as Miley Cyrus is to Science.

106 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:15:56pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

Rafael Cruz is to Science as Miley Cyrus is to Science.

I really don’t want to see Raffy twerk.

107 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:16:03pm

re: #103 philosophus invidius

He forgot to mention Hitler.

You know who else forgot to mention Hitler?
Hitler.

108 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:17:01pm

re: #104 Kragar

With the singularities, you also draw in a cloud of matter you can filter for hydrogen and other elements.

What kind of speed are we talking here?

109 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:17:05pm
if they can convince you that you came from a monkey, it’s much easier to convince you that God does not exist.

OK, that’s probably true.

110 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:19:31pm

re: #106 Kragar

I really don’t want to see Raffy twerk.

So, pretty much identical, then?

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:20:01pm

You know that beach house you always wanted?

112 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:20:05pm

OMFG.
cnn.com

113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:20:43pm

re: #109 philosophus invidius

OK, that’s probably true.

To me, so what if there isn’t a god. It doesn’t change a damn thing. Just means we’re even luckier to exist and should be happy about that. We should enjoy our lives and not be concerned so much about fitting some mold that someone says we should fit into so that we can “go to heaven” when we die.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:24:31pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

You know that beach house you always wanted?

A mass of debris the size of Texas, created by Japan’s tsunami, is headed toward the U.S. bit.ly

We already have a mass of debris the size of Texas. It is called Texas. I am looking forward to the Great Bluing so we can start the cleanup.

115 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:25:13pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

We already have a mass of debris the size of Texas. It is called Texas. I am looking forward to the Great Bluing so we can start the cleanup.

lol

116 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:25:30pm
117 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:26:07pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Mind. Blown. *pop*

118 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:26:37pm

re: #113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Well he is saying that evolutionary theory is a threat to theism, which a lot of people deny. But atheists probably agree with him.

119 Ming  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:26:38pm

Watching Ted Cruz and his Dad get deeper into the crazy, I have a funny thought that Bobby Jindal is furiously taking notes, preparing for future media appearances of his own. He knows there’s plenty of time until 2016.

120 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:26:51pm

What is so frightening about ideas to those people?

re: #112 Varek Raith

OMFG.
cnn.com

I feel sorry for that kid with such an ignorant mother. Someone needs to sit her down and explain a few facts of life to her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s not an active member of the KKK.

121 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:27:39pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

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122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:27:50pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

OMFG.
cnn.com

Anyone who things its OK for their child to dress up as a member of the KKK ought to be investigated by Child Services, because I could make a good case for that being child abuse.

123 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:28:58pm

re: #93 thecommodore

More like Rafael Cruz is to Science what Brandon Weeden is to quarterbacks.

You a Browns fan?

I’ve never seen an NFL team that has such stark differences in how successful a team will be in a game based on the play of one ‘professional round one draft choice’ quarterback when on the field. If Weeds is in the game the whole team plays crappy. As soon as he’s out, the two backups make the team go. Night and day difference. Talk about playing yourself out of a job. Now all they need to do is try to keep any other quarterback they have healthy so Weeds is never in a game again this year.

124 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:29:04pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I’m always fascinated by true crackpots, the guys who are utterly certain about the batshit loony stuff they espouse. You can see why people with underdeveloped logic or thinking skills can be bamboozled by these guys, because they’re relentless.

They are basically high level con artists. Very learned, very confident and very efficient at what they do. Because they appear to “walk the walk”, they have an easy time swindling people.

125 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:30:10pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

What is so frightening about ideas to those people?

I feel sorry for that kid with such an ignorant mother. Someone needs to sit her down and explain a few facts of life to her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s not an active member of the KKK.

Don’t know if she is actually a member but she did defend the Klan itself during the interview. “white with white, black with black, man with woman. That’s what the Klan stands for. And they raise money to donate to St. Jude’s.”

126 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:30:38pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

What kind of speed are we talking here?


Alcubierre drive

127 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:30:53pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

Don’t know if she is actually a member but she did defend the Klan itself during the interview. “white with white, black with black, man with woman. That’s what the Klan stands for. And they raise money to donate to St. Jude’s.”

*facepalm*

The stupid, it burns so badly it hurts.

128 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:31:07pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

What is so frightening about ideas to those people?

I feel sorry for that kid with such an ignorant mother. Someone needs to sit her down and explain a few facts of life to her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s not an active member of the KKK.

What a frikken idiot.
White with white, black with black?
The KKK is good?

She’s the reason kids grow up consumed by hate for superficial differences.

129 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:32:20pm

Later, lizards.

130 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:33:17pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

One of yours?

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:33:34pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel

Don’t know if she is actually a member but she did defend the Klan itself during the interview. “white with white, black with black, man with woman. That’s what the Klan stands for. And they raise money to donate to St. Jude’s.”

So her objection amounts to “Waaa! People get mad when I put my racism on display!”

132 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:34:05pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

What kind of speed are we talking here?

Ludicrous speed.

133 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:34:35pm

re: #126 Kragar


Alcubierre drive

quelle sort du bierre?

134 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:34:40pm
135 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:34:48pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

So her objection amounts to “Waaa! People get mad when I put my racism on display!”

Which is about the same result as “I have friends that are black.” I hate that line.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:34:52pm

re: #128 b_sharp

What a frikken idiot.
White with white, black with black?
The KKK is good?

She’s the reason kids grow up consumed by hate for superficial differences.

There was an episode of Star Trek (Next Generation I think) where the Enterprise was mediating a dispute on a planet where two factions had been warring for centuries, at some point Picard asks them if they can recall the events that started the dispute hundreds of years ago and no one has a clue, they’d just been brought for generations to hate the other side without really being given much explanation as to why.

137 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:35:47pm

White-Juday warp-field interferometer

138 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:36:10pm

re: #130 b_sharp

One of yours?

Not yet…..

139 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:39:28pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

White-Juday warp-field interferometer

I gotta say, I really think we’re getting close to warp drive capability (by which I mean the ability to move an object faster than light). The Star Trek timeline had us getting there in 2063 which is only 50 years away.

140 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:41:06pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I gotta say, I really think we’re getting close to warp drive capability. The Star Trek timeline had us getting there in 2063 which is only 50 years away.

Sure, but good luck getting someone to name their kid Zefram…

141 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:41:52pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I gotta say, I really think we’re getting close to warp drive capability. The Star Trek timeline had us getting there in 2063 which is only 50 years away.

Shit. I’ll be long dead by that time.

Time to make reincarnation real.

142 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:42:34pm

re: #141 b_sharp

Shit. I’ll be long dead by that time.

Time to make reincarnation real.

can i get them to come back and pick me up in 2011 or thereabouts?

143 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:44:03pm

warp drive

in my case it’s a lot more than my drive that’s warped…

144 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:44:11pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

I gotta say, I really think we’re getting close to warp drive capability. The Star Trek timeline had us getting there in 2063 which is only 50 years away.

They also had that whole global collapse between now and then.

145 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:45:08pm
146 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:45:13pm

re: #144 Kragar

They also had that whole global collapse between now and then.

Right. Third World War.

Crap.

147 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:45:48pm

re: #145 Kragar

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Why do I picture him chuckling like a fool for hours after he came up with that cheesy title?

148 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:46:47pm

re: #145 Kragar

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When are they going to claim gay is a religion?

149 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:48:18pm

re: #147 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I picture him chuckling like a fool for hours after he came up with that cheesy title?

I picture him chuckling like a fool.

150 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:48:47pm

re: #148 b_sharp

When are they going to claim gay is a religion?

i believe in the gay religion they definitely worship satin

151 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:54:01pm

Someone else made post almost identical to this one, and on the same subject. I ended up leaving a comment on that one only becoase I saw it first. Here’s a link to what I wrote there.

littlegreenfootballs.com

152 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:57:45pm

re: #30 Kragar



Hypocrisy much?

153 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:59:12pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

Rafael Cruz is to Science as Miley Cyrus is to Science.

Except she probably knows more about science than him.

154 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:02:43pm

re: #153 CriticalDragon1177

I wouldn’t say that, but she looks better nekkid.

155 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:04:11pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t say that, but she looks better nekkid.

Both of ‘em do stupid things with their tongues.

156 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:05:32pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t say that, but she looks better nekkid.

She’s not that hawt nekkid or clothed.

157 darthstar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #152 CriticalDragon1177

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Hypocrisy much?

He’s so pro-family he’s making another on the side!

158 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:06:28pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

Both of ‘em do stupid things with their tongues.

Miley is just trying to catch flies.

159 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:10:13pm

This is really more egregious, I think, because more rightwingers are listening to, and agreeing with this falsehood.

“While Cruz claimed that Obama has pledged to “side with the Muslims” if “the winds shift,” a woman from the audience shouted, “He is Muslim.”

“Cruz said, “[Sen. John] McCain couldn’t say that because it wasn’t politically correct. It is time we stop being politically correct!”

freakoutnation.com

So, why did Rafael Cruz wait until 2005 to become a US citizen? Did it have anything to do with his daughter-in-law working in the Bush admin, or his son’s own political ambitions, and would be seen as embarrassing?

Ted Cruz Failed To Disclose Ties To Caribbean Holding Company

An old college friendship led to financial entanglement with a Jamaican private equity firm and a British Virgin Islands holding company. Neither was disclosed during his 2012 campaign.

Read more: Ted Cruz Failed To Disclose Ties To Caribbean Holding Company | TIME.com swampland.time.com

If Cruz does decide to run in 2016 and gets the R nom, they can kiss the party goodbye. Who runs a candidate with this kind of baggage?

160 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:12:39pm

re: #134 Kragar

@OfficialTedSays This describes my reaction to everyone I went to High School with and most of my relatives.

Pretty much everyone I went to high school with was an asshole. There was one exception: a dorky guy who liked to collect comic books. The cool kids ridiculed him unmercifully for this. At the time comic books were regarded as strictly kid stuff, with no thought to an adult collector market developing. I did not join in this ridicule, since I was a closet sci-fi fan myself and would have been subject to similar persecution if I hadn’t also been a jock.
My dorky classmate bravely withstood the ridicule and he definitely got the last laugh. He is still laughing. for he was ideally positioned on the ground floor when comics did become serious business in the late 60s. He started a comics shop in LA. This developed into a chain. He parlayed that into a ground floor entry into another growth industry, video rental. He was a founder of one of the big chains. In the early 90s he cashed out for something like 150 million dollars. He is filthy rich today, absolutely rolling in the stuff. I still talk to him occasionally, the only member of the old class to whom he will talk.

161 allegro  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:12:57pm

re: #152 CriticalDragon1177

In 2012, Phillips reacted to President Obama’s announcement that he supports marriage equality by warning that God will punish America, possibly with terrorist attacks or economic trouble, for Obama’s “treasonous” action:

So THAT is what the treason talk is about? I’ve been trying to figure that one out for ages.

162 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:18:00pm

She blinded me with twerking

163 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:30:47pm

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

LOL!

164 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:43:49pm

dinner coma

165 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:45:32pm

I hope Rafael Cruz stays far, FAR away from any and all wrecking balls…

166 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:49:11pm

President Obama should appoint Rafael Cruz ambassador to North Korea.

167 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:49:37pm

Overheard from the Mrs. Fish: “How do you turn off free will?”

I am in SO much trouble…

168 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:49:37pm

re: #145 Kragar

“@BryanJFischer So according to you, a gay business owner would be within his right to fire a straight employee based on his orientation?”

Ummmmmm, no. Because that would then be persecution of a fellow christian and can’t be allowed.

wingnut logic. How does it work?

169 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:49:44pm

re: #166 b.d.

President Obama should appoint Rafael Cruz ambassador to North Korea.

Dennis Rodman would not be pleased.

170 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:50:32pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

Every time I hear someone say High School was the best years of their lives, I think of what a horrifyingly depressing life they must have lived.

171 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:52:11pm

re: #170 Kragar

Every time I hear someone say High School was the best years of their lives, I think of what a horrifyingly depressing life they must have lived.

High school was some of the worst years of my life. I almost sometimes feel like I got a second life when I left for college.

172 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:53:38pm

Someone must have told Chris Matthews he needs to be more like O’Reilly.

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:54:26pm

My college years were miles more awesome than my high school years. I mean I had fun in high school, but that doesn’t come close to the first years of being an adult and making it under your own steam.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:54:45pm

re: #172 jaunte

Someone must have told Chris Matthews he needs to be more like O’Reilly.

O’Matthews?

175 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:56:35pm

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Dennis Rodman would not be pleased.

Rodman can be Cruz’s appointed personal attaché, I think he’d like that.

176 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:57:54pm

re: #170 Kragar

Every time I hear someone say High School was the best years of their lives, I think of what a horrifyingly depressing life they must have lived.

I think for some it was the peak of their popularity, accomplishment, etc. Those folks probably didn’t go to college. If you were a lonely nerd in High School, college is where you found out there were lots more folks like you. Plus college is where you probably first got laid.

But I still wouldn’t call college The Best Years Of My Life. Geez, what a crappy life that would have been!

177 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:07:24pm

The year I met my wife was pretty good, or the years my kids were born.

Of course that was High School for a lot of the people who say that.

178 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:13:54pm

“Andrew Klavan explains”

The reason for this is that both Obama and many of our journalists were trained in the post-modern academy where they were taught that there is no such thing as moral truth but only culturally inculcated narratives.

yet another moron who thinks they have the right to tell other people what they believe

179 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:20:38pm

“Andrew Klavan explains”

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180 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:22:08pm

re: #178 dog philosopher

“Andrew Klavan explains”

The reason for this is that both Obama and many of our journalists were trained in the post-modern academy where they were taught that there is no such thing as moral truth but only culturally inculcated narratives.

yet another moron who thinks they have the right to tell other people what they believe

The never-ending irony is that the right wing fully embraces post-modernism if it’s a matter of discussing truth about evolution, climate, pollution, health, homosexuality…and sundry other topics. Then suddenly their cultural narrative is the only thing that’s true, proofs be damned.

181 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:23:46pm
182 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:24:53pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Because shut up, that’s why.

183 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:25:53pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

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184 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:26:38pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

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I still say Greenwald orchestrated that whole thing just for the notoriety boost.

185 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:31:43pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Only Obots would ask such a question.

186 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:32:14pm
187 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:32:32pm

re: #170 Kragar

Every time I hear someone say High School was the best years of their lives, I think of what a horrifyingly depressing life they must have lived.

CS Lewis famously said that he had better memories of his time in the World War I trenches than he did of his years in boarding school just before. He explained that the war was ghastly, of course, but nobody pretended you should like it and that made it somehow more bearable.

188 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:32:34pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

I still say Greenwald orchestrated that whole thing just for the notoriety boost.

No, the risk was too high for that. My own view is that Greenwald, like Assange, is so arrogant that he cannot imagine a plan of his failing. His ego does not allow him to contemplate how others might anticipate his actions.

189 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:32:38pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Oh, that looks HIGHLY entertaining.

190 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:33:44pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Seems safe enough.

191 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:35:41pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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That thing is looking big enough to hold all of those parts that The Guardian pulled out of theirs.

192 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:36:38pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Batulism!

193 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:37:13pm
194 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:37:30pm
195 alpuz  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:39:39pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

For some reason it reminds me of Sean Hannity.

196 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:42:10pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Lithium Ion battery or a run of the mill sealed lead acid?

197 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:48:04pm

re: #194 bratwurst

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“Good! Why should they have all the fun!”

198 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:50:21pm

re: #196 Bubblehead II

Lithium Ion battery or a run of the mill sealed lead acid?

I dunno. I do know that it contains no mercury, so there’s that.

199 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:51:20pm

re: #194 bratwurst

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re: #198 Charles Johnson

I dunno. I do know that it contains no mercury, so there’s that.

But is it Dolphin safe?

200 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:52:47pm

A replacement battery is surprisingly cheap, about $22 on Amazon: NEW battery for APPLE MacBook PRO 17” A1189 6600mAh.

201 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:53:55pm

Youtube Video

202 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:58:58pm

Cute raccoon eating grapes at dinner table.

203 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:00:38pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

I dunno. I do know that it contains no mercury, so there’s that.

Probably a sealed lead acid aka Jell Cell then. These types of batteries have a history of bulging due to over charging (reagardless of size and AH rating).

Did you leave your Mac plugged in all the time?

204 b.d.  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:01:52pm

re: #202 Gus

Cute raccoon eating grapes at dinner table.

It’s when you run out of grapes when the problems start.

205 Belafon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:02:54pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

Notice the phrase “moral truth.” Not everything is true. It’s only true if it has a moral value to it. This allows them to exclude science or anything else that doesn’t conform to what they think.

206 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:03:11pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Lithium Ion, good choice. Will probably take a pound or two off of your Macbook.

207 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:04:07pm

re: #203 Bubblehead II

Probably a sealed lead acid aka Jell Cell then. These types of batteries have a history of bulging due to over charging (reagardless of size and AH rating).

Did you leave your Mac plugged in all the time?

Not really - it was plugged in for about a week when I noticed this. But it was several years old. I think this was a battery whose time had come.

208 Belafon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:04:46pm

re: #171 thedopefishlives

I tell people that if a movie were to be made of me reliving my childhood, it would be two hours of me screaming.

209 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:05:43pm

re: #208 Belafon

I tell people that if a movie were to be made of me reliving my childhood, it would be two hours of me screaming.

That’s about the long and short of it. Happiest day of my life - my wedding day. Second happiest - Welcome Weekend at university.

210 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:07:12pm

Just watched Walking Dead - heavy.

211 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:07:44pm

re: #204 b.d.

It’s when you run out of grapes when the problems start.

Saw one the other night. No grapes.

212 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:08:22pm

re: #170 Kragar

Every time I hear someone say High School was the best years of their lives, I think of what a horrifyingly depressing life they must have lived.

I was bullied in Middle School, so High School was liberating since I went to a different school than the bullies.

213 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:09:32pm

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

I was bullied in Middle School, so High School was liberating since I went to a different school than the bullies.

The only reason I wasn’t bullied in High School was because they finally grew enough brains to realize that they could get better (read: passing) grades if they sucked up to me. Worked out well for them, not quite so much for me.

214 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:09:48pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

post modernism

but really, i think hardly anybody would actually go around declaring themselves a “post modernist” or whatever and actually claim to believe that the idea that ‘murder is bad’ is a mere social construct that derives from a particular cultural perspective that can be deconstructed away

it’s gotten to the point where the elaborateness and implausibility of the straw man have reached surreal heights

215 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:16:57pm

Well. Ron Paul has officially endorsed Cuccinelli.

216 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:17:12pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, the risk was too high for that. My own view is that Greenwald, like Assange, is so arrogant that he cannot imagine a plan of his failing. His ego does not allow him to contemplate how others might anticipate his actions.

Why do you think the plan failed? He got to drum up some publicity at a time when interest in his story was flagging. That data was encrypted and could have been sent via any number of more secure channels. Sending Miranda through Heathrow was a pretty obvious way of ensuring a search went down. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Brits got an anonymous tip pointing them in his direction. The way he lied by omission about Miranda’s role as a mule wasn’t a coincidence, he was trying to spin the story from the outset as the US instructing its allies to bully him for the sake of bullying him.

217 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:19:28pm

re: #214 dog philosopher

post modernism

but really, i think hardly anybody would actually go around declaring themselves a “post modernist” or whatever and actually claim to believe that the idea that ‘murder is bad’ is a mere social construct that derives from a particular cultural perspective that can be deconstructed away

it’s gotten to the point where the elaborateness and implausibility of the straw man have reached surreal heights

Post Modernism:

Image: totem6.jpg

218 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:21:12pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

He’s won the coveted Ron Paul Seal of Doom.

219 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:21:39pm

re: #218 jaunte

He’s won the coveted Ron Paul Seal of Doom.

The Kiss of Death.

220 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:22:25pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

The Kiss of Death.

The Sodomy-free Kiss of Death

221 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:22:46pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Well. Ron Paul has officially endorsed Cuccinelli.

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Can we get a dudebro in here to explain how Crazy Uncle Liberty is okay with a guy that wants to criminalize consensual sexual acts?

I’m going with “Ron Paul would endorse a wool sock with Nazi sympathies for office if he thought it was antifederalist.”

222 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:23:02pm

Dia de los Paulos

223 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:24:02pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Well. Ron Paul has officially endorsed Cuccinelli.

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Aqua Buddha and now Crazy Uncle Liberty, taking the side of a guy who abused the powers of his office in an attempt to seize UVA documents relating to Michael Mann, filed suit to have the state’s sodomy laws reinstated to prosecute a single case, and believes that it’s within the state’s power to force women to undergo an invasive procedure in order to obtain a totally legal medical procedure.

My surprise, etc.

224 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:24:05pm

re: #214 dog philosopher

post modernism

but really, i think hardly anybody would actually go around declaring themselves a “post modernist” or whatever and actually claim to believe that the idea that ‘murder is bad’ is a mere social construct that derives from a particular cultural perspective that can be deconstructed away

it’s gotten to the point where the elaborateness and implausibility of the straw man have reached surreal heights

That’s one of the dicier examples, actually. Human sacrifice, wars, capital punishment etc. make things complicated when it comes to killing people.

The easier target in some post modern thinking is moving from the (correct) observation that the scientific establishment at any place and time reflects the culture it is embedded in to the (incorrect, IMO) conclusion that the resulting scientific work also necessarily has such cultural embedding to a significant degree.

Claiming that Newton’s laws or Maxwell’s equations have any cultural inheritance more significant than the names ‘Newton’ and “Maxwell’, as has been done from time to time by post-modernists IIRC, is a philosophical position that begs for mockery and exaggeration.

225 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:25:16pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

The Sodomy-free Kiss of Death

Well, to hear them tell it, sodomy is the death of us all, so maybe it’s not so sodomy-free. ;)

226 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:25:29pm
227 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:26:30pm

re: #226 Kragar

What part of ‘I’m a maker’, those other people are ‘takers’ was unclear?!?

228 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:27:36pm

I’ll tell you this much, if Cucci wins tomorrow, this state is in for some very dark times. And that’s not an exaggeration. As much as I loathe the man, McDonnell did a lot to keep the state’s Republicans in line in the legislature, defusing attempts to ram some very unpopular bills and redistricting plans down our throats because he hoped to run for the presidency one day. Cucci will happily sign those bills and plunge this state into a level of derpitude that we have thankfully avoided in the wake of the TP uprising.

229 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:27:59pm

“Maker of decision to hire plagiarists for staff, and let them do their thing.”

230 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:28:02pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

Why do you think the plan failed? He got to drum up some publicity at a time when interest in his story was flagging. That data was encrypted and could have been sent via any number of more secure channels. Sending Miranda through Heathrow was a pretty obvious way of ensuring a search went down. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Brits got an anonymous tip pointing them in his direction. The way he lied by omission about Miranda’s role as a mule wasn’t a coincidence, he was trying to spin the story from the outset as the US instructing its allies to bully him for the sake of bullying him.

This has occurred to me too, that the Miranda incident may have been set up from the start to make a splash in the media. At the height of the controversy, when you know Western intel services are going to be watching everything you do, you send a newbie to carry secret documents through one of the most-watched airports in the world?

Seems like a crazy idea … unless you intend for him to get caught, so you can exploit the resulting media coverage and paint Miranda and Greenwald as victims.

231 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:28:37pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

Aqua Buddha and now Crazy Uncle Liberty, taking the side of a guy who abused the powers of his office in an attempt to seize UVA documents relating to Michael Mann, filed suit to have the state’s sodomy laws reinstated to prosecute a single case, and believes that it’s within the state’s power to force women to undergo an invasive procedure in order to obtain a totally legal medical procedure.

My surprise, etc.

The secret is, when a politician says “I think that’s for the state to decide, not the federal government” it really means “that’s not a civil liberty you get as an individual citizen, so don’t even be taking it to those Supreme Court hippies.”

And that’s pretty much how all of Crazy Uncle Liberty’s “libertarian” positions wash out.

232 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:30:05pm

re: #231 The Ghost of a Flea

The secret is, when a politician says “I think that’s for the state to decide, not the federal government” it really means “that’s not a civil liberty you get as an individual citizen, so don’t even be taking it to those Supreme Court hippies.”

And that’s pretty much how all of Crazy Uncle Liberty’s “libertarian” positions wash out.

Ayep, he’s all for “big government,” just so long as it stops at the state line. He’s proudly stated as much on more than one occasion, that he wanted abortion banned, but wants it to be “up to the states.”

233 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:30:20pm

Had enough of the crapola? Take a refreshing swing back to 1996!

cnn.com

234 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:31:25pm

re: #225 thedopefishlives

235 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:32:05pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

Ayep, he’s all for “big government,” just so long as it stops at the state line. He’s proudly stated as much on more than one occasion, that he wanted abortion banned, but wants it to be “up to the states.”

GAYS ARE OKAY BUT TAXES AFFECT ME EVERY DAAAAAAAAAAAAY

236 jaunte  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:33:43pm
237 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:35:58pm

re: #205 Belafon

Notice the phrase “moral truth.” Not everything is true. It’s only true if it has a moral value to it. This allows them to exclude science or anything else that doesn’t conform to what they think.

I don’t think that was what he meant. There are moral truth and there are scientific truths. The two terms simply refer to truths in different fields.

238 DaveBarnes  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:38:31pm

Thank you Rafael Cruz.
Destroying the Republicans (GOP: The Party of Hate®) from the inside.

239 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:39:33pm

Moral Truth™

240 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:40:48pm
241 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:41:26pm

re: #236 jaunte

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CUCCINELLI GOES MAN ON DOG

242 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:42:33pm

OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE

243 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:42:43pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

This has occurred to me too, that the Miranda incident may have been set up from the start to make a splash in the media. At the height of the controversy, when you know Western intel services are going to be watching everything you do, you send a newbie to carry secret documents through one of the most-watched airports in the world?

Seems like a crazy idea … unless you intend for him to get caught, so you can exploit the resulting media coverage and paint Miranda and Greenwald as victims.

I consider it a bit too coincidental that the data Miranda was reportedly carrying him on that data was primarily, if not totally, documentation concerning UK classified programs and operations. One would think he was trying to provoke a particular reaction from them, perhaps a similar response to what we’ve seen from other nations, outrage that the NSA had data on their allies own secrets.

244 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:42:53pm

Has Cooch threatened to kill the puppy if he’s not elected?

HE LOST BECAUSE HE WASN’T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!

245 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:43:32pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that was what he meant. There are moral truth and there are scientific truths. The two terms simply refer to truths in different fields.

Moral truths are intrinsically subjective, rooted in individual and most frequently dogmatic religious outlook. Questioning specific morality is questioning faith, rarely tolerated by the faithful. Ethical truths are more rule bound, sociological, analyzable and falsifiable.

The problem is obvious, when moral “truths” (I can’t even take the term seriously in this context) collide with scientific knowledge, which one must yield. It’s pretty clear which one Cruz defers to.

246 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:43:52pm

re: #201 Gus

Reminded me of this tiny piece of prickly cuteness.

Youtube Video

247 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:44:05pm

re: #244 Kragar

Has Cooch threatened to kill the puppy if he’s not elected?

HE LOST BECAUSE HE WASN’T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!

A picture from the latest Cuccinelli campaign flyer.

///

248 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:45:33pm

re: #240 Kragar

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249 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:46:11pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

I consider it a bit too coincidental that the data Miranda was reportedly carrying him on that data was primarily, if not totally, documentation concerning UK classified programs and operations. One would think he was trying to provoke a particular reaction from them, perhaps a similar response to what we’ve seen from other nations, outrage that the NSA had data on their allies own secrets.

If I had to guess, I’d say that Greenwald was disappointed that Miranda wasn’t charged with possession of stolen state secrets, so some equivalent attack on freedom of the press. That explains the high dudgeon over his nine hour detention and questioning, along with the outright lies about his having been denied access to legal counsel.

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:46:50pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Moral truths are intrinsically subjective, rooted in individual and most frequently dogmatic religious outlook. Questioning specific morality is questioning faith, rarely tolerated by the faithful. Ethical truths are more rule bound, sociological, analyzable and falsifiable.

The problem is obvious, when moral “truths” (I can’t even take the term seriously in this context) collide with scientific knowledge, which one must yield. It’s pretty clear which one Cruz defers to.

How do you define ‘moral’ vs. ‘ethical’?

251 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:46:53pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Moral truths are intrinsically subjective, rooted in individual and most frequently dogmatic religious outlook. Questioning specific morality is questioning faith, rarely tolerated by the faithful. Ethical truths are more rule bound, sociological, analyzable and falsifiable.

The problem is obvious, when moral “truths” (I can’t even take the term seriously in this context) collide with scientific knowledge, which one must yield. It’s pretty clear which one Cruz defers to.

Also, moral truths tend to get really internally incoherent because people also find exceptions for their bad behavior. Take, say, “moral truths” about adultery….

252 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:47:36pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

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it hurts your case when you’re in the same party as a guy who wants to ban head

253 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:48:34pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

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LOLWUT? Greenwald doesn’t own that hashtag anymore than conservatives own TCOT. LOLGOP’s “case” is poking fun at conservative dumbshittery, and it’s not harmed at all by the sardonic use of a hashtag.

254 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:48:45pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

If I had to guess, I’d say that Greenwald was disappointed that Miranda wasn’t charged with possession of stolen state secrets, so some equivalent attack on freedom of the press. That explains the high dudgeon over his nine hour detention and questioning, along with the outright lies about his having been denied access to legal counsel.

By now, I’m perfectly content to apply to Greenwald the exact same adversarial model for ‘journalism’ that Greenwald himself has said he follows —- assume the target of the writing is lying and dig for the truth.

So, Greenwald’s emanations are to be taken as lies unless/until independently confirmed.

255 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:50:27pm

re: #252 Aqua Obama

it hurts your case when you’re in the same party as a guy who wants to ban head

If Geoffrey Chaucer teaches us anything, its that anal is sole dominion of the clergy. It’s a tithing thing.

256 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:50:30pm

re: #252 Aqua Obama

it hurts your case when you’re in the same party as a guy who wants to ban head

And you just posted that you are hoping for him to win.

257 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:50:32pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

If I had to guess, I’d say that Greenwald was disappointed that Miranda wasn’t charged with possession of stolen state secrets, so some equivalent attack on freedom of the press. That explains the high dudgeon over his nine hour detention and questioning, along with the outright lies about his having been denied access to legal counsel.

Always gotten the impression that things didn’t go according to script with how quickly the whole thing disappeared from the media. Speaking of which, a quick Googling shows that Miranda’s lawsuit is still going nowhere fast in the UK court system, which probably explains why the Guardian has gone quiet on the subject.

258 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:51:32pm

re: #255 The Ghost of a Flea

If Geoffrey Chaucer teaches us anything, its that anal is sole dominion of the clergy. It’s a tithing thing.

Why do you think they’re called “sub-deacons”?

259 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:51:59pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Moral truths are intrinsically subjective, rooted in individual and most frequently dogmatic religious outlook. Questioning specific morality is questioning faith, rarely tolerated by the faithful. Ethical truths are more rule bound, sociological, analyzable and falsifiable.

The problem is obvious, when moral “truths” (I can’t even take the term seriously in this context) collide with scientific knowledge, which one must yield. It’s pretty clear which one Cruz defers to.

Moreover, I wasn’t responding to something said by either Cruz. The exchange was over something said (that was wrong) by Andrew Klavan. I was reacting to what I saw as someone reading in something that was not in the statement.

260 Belafon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:52:06pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

You said it better than me. Cruz isn’t using “moral” truth to create truths that are different from scientific truths. He’s using it to give him a way to decide what is true and what isn’t.

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

How do you define ‘moral’ vs. ‘ethical’?

While we could discuss that, that’s not the point of Cruz using the word “moral.” It has nothing to do with ethics. It has to do with creating a test that allows Cruz to decide what is true and what isn’t.

ETA: Obviously, I repeat the same thing over and over….

261 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:52:26pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

Why do you think they’re called “sub-deacons”?

You don’t want to meet the dom-deacons.

262 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:52:45pm

re: #256 bratwurst

And you just posted that you are hoping for him to win.

Indeed. Having Cuccinelli as governor in VA would take the state significantly closer to a Handmaid’s Tale dystopia.

This is not something that normal ‘Go Team’ attitudes can obscure.

263 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:53:43pm

re: #261 The Ghost of a Flea

You don’t want to meet the dom-deacons.

They give Holy Orders.

264 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:54:01pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

How do you define ‘moral’ vs. ‘ethical’?

I just did. Morals are subjective, usually rooted in superstition / religion / mysticism. They’re untestable, simplistic. Your bible says something is a sin so it’s a sin.

Ethics is an actual study in and of itself. It tries to be objective, seeks consensus, and can be challenged and tested without threatening an entire worldview.

Morality is emotional, gut level and raw. Ethicality is intellectual, more easily articulable, reasoned, and amenable to alteration.

265 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:54:16pm

re: #255 The Ghost of a Flea

If Geoffrey Chaucer teaches us anything, its that anal is sole dominion of the clergy. It’s a tithing thing.

I thought Caucher helped teach us that a man can change his stars?

(Wonder how many will get it…)

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:57:49pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

I just did. Morals are subjective, usually rooted in superstition / religion / mysticism. They’re untestable, simplistic. Your bible says something is a sin so it’s a sin.

Ethics is an actual study in and of itself. It tries to be objective, seeks consensus, and can be challenged and tested without threatening an entire worldview.

Morality is emotional, gut level and raw. Ethicality is intellectual, more easily articulable, reasoned, and amenable to alteration.

But morality can in fact be explained at great length and justified in non-religious terms, so to call it “untestable” does not seem correct.

267 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:00:30pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

But morality can in fact be explained at great length and justified in non-religious terms, so to call it “untestable” does not seem correct.

To put it crudely, morality can be viewed as what preachers deal with, while ethics is the province of philosophers.

Thing get complicated when people try to be both theologian and philosopher at the same time, which is why I personally don’t see any clear dividing lines between the two terms.

268 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:01:31pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

But morality can in fact be explained at great length and justified in non-religious terms, so to call it “untestable” does not seem correct.

I think the Tash and Aslan solution here may be the best explanation Dark though I don’t want to put words into frank’s mouth, but once someone takes the time to thoroughly test and justify their morals they are no longer morals they have “graduated” into eithics.

Likewise if “ethics” are not backed up/tested/explored they are not really ethics but simply morals.

It is not the name that matters but the actions behind them.

269 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:02:52pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, morality can be viewed as what preachers deal with, while ethics is the province of philosophers.

Thing get complicated when people try to be both theologian and philosopher at the same time, which is why I personally don’t see any clear dividing lines between the two terms.

Fair enough. I’ll just leave it at that.

270 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:02:56pm

Ethics vs. morality is why the conservatives lost the debate over gay rights and marriage. A very specific brand of morality held dominant for a long time, but in the end it became unable to sell itself on actual principals. The religious antipathy towards gays turned out to be intellectually weak, simplistic, and incredibly ugly. As educational levels increased the ethical argument became comparatively easier and easier to sell, because it’s rooted in rules most people can intuitively grasp, fairness and equality. The only people still fighting against the tide were compromised long ago, essentially brainwashed into believing a very selective emphasis on certain passages from a two thousand year old text instead of their innate sense of right and wrong.

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:03:37pm

re: #268 jamesfirecat

I think the Tash and Aslan solution here may be the best explanation Dark though I don’t want to put words into frank’s mouth, but once someone takes the time to thoroughly test and justify their morals they are no longer morals they have “graduated” into eithics.

Likewise if “ethics” are not backed up/tested/explored they are not really ethics but simply morals.

It is not the name that matters but the actions behind them.

Ah, a CS Lewis fan. Great reference, James.

272 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:03:50pm

re: #267 EPR-radar

To put it crudely, morality can be viewed as what preachers deal with, while ethics is the province of philosophers.

Thing get complicated when people try to be both theologian and philosopher at the same time, which is why I personally don’t see any clear dividing lines between the two terms.

I Kant believe it’s not Morality©

273 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:05:31pm
274 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:07:41pm

re: #272 Aqua Obama

I Kant believe it’s not Morality(c)

Poor Kant. One of his biggest projects included a purported demonstration that certain claims about reality (e.g., its Euclidian geometry) could be established without reference to empirical observations (i.e., synthetic a priori).

It’s a pity reality turns out to have non-Euclidean geometry.

275 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:08:01pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Ah, a CS Lewis fan. Great reference, James.

Not necessarily a fan, (there are some things he argued /put forward in his Narnia books that I disagree with (“they have chosen cunning over belief” makes me throw up in my mouth a little)) but they’re the stories my dad read to me growing up (he also read me and my brother hobbit and Lord of the rings if anyone cares) and I reread them again in college or so, and there are some things in them worth remembering.

276 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:08:44pm

re: #272 Aqua Obama

I Kant believe it’s not Morality(c)

It’s worth the extra bucks to get the proper Categorical Imperative, not just the Relatively Tidied-Up Recommendation.

277 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:09:18pm
278 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:09:29pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

But morality can in fact be explained at great length and justified in non-religious terms, so to call it “untestable” does not seem correct.

Raw assertion is raw. The fact that morality and ethics often adopt the same positions doesn’t make morality any more explainable or rooted in either science or truth. When you explain a moral “truth” in ethical, non-religious terms that’s not morality doing the explaining.

279 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:09:32pm

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s worth the extra bucks to get the proper Categorical Imperative, not just the Relatively Tidied-Up Recommendation.

But the Recommendations are easier to Spinoza.

280 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:09:55pm

Dear Spreadbullshit:
There are no “communists” any more, they all died out by the ‘90’s, but that’s just a word you like to use to describe anything that you don’t like.
I DON’T LIKE THIS RESTAURANT AND THEIR COMMUNIST BURGERS!!!
DID YOU SEE THE COMMUNIST PANTS THAT FAT WOMAN WAS WEARING!!!
MILEY CYRUS IS SUCH A COMMUNIST TWERKER!!!!

281 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:10:03pm
282 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:10:27pm
283 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:10:33pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

But the Recommendations are easier to Spinoza.

The Schopenauer is too late for philosopher puns.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:11:26pm

re: #281 Gus

Ugh, not again.

285 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:12:51pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Ugh, not again.

I know. Following here.

286 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:13:28pm

Is there something in the planet’s alignment that’s making people freak out? Because this sort of psycho is showing up way more than usual.

287 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:14:08pm

Not many details yet. But…

288 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:14:47pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Is there something in the planet’s alignment that’s making people freak out? Because this sort of psycho is showing up way more than usual.

Hard to say. Rare events come in clusters due to random chance a lot more often than most people believe.

289 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:15:52pm

Results for “Garden State Plaza”

290 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:16:38pm

Shit.

Here’s hoping that nobody’s hurt and it’s all resolved quickly.

291 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:17:38pm

re: #290 The Ghost of a Flea

Shit.

Here’s hoping that nobody’s hurt and it’s all resolved quickly.

Quite Concur.

292 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:17:42pm

News 12 New Jersey: LIVE

293 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:17:46pm

re: #283 The Ghost of a Flea

The Schopenauer is too late for philosopher puns.

Late at night is the best time to ex-Hume bad puns.

294 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:26:01pm

re: #293 EPR-radar

Late at night is the best time to ex-Hume bad puns.

Ya’all need to be Locke’d up for these.

295 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:26:13pm

Some sadistic crap-head re-started the “Sarah is Running for Prez” meme on Freep. Poor bastards are flopping around like a barrel of tilapia at feeding time.

296 StephenMeansMe  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:26:20pm

Cruz is so so so so wrong about Marxism and the theory of evolution it’s not even funny. No, they don’t go hand in hand, it’s quite the opposite:

In 1948, genetics was officially declared “a bourgeois pseudoscience”;[10] all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested), and all genetic research was discontinued. Nikita Khrushchev, who claimed to be an expert in agricultural science, also valued Lysenko as a great scientist, and the taboo on genetics continued (but all geneticists were released or rehabilitated posthumously). The ban was only waived in the mid-1960s.

Thus, Lysenkoism caused serious, long-term harm to Soviet knowledge of biology. It represented a serious failure of the early Soviet leadership to find real solutions to agricultural problems, throwing their support behind a charlatan at the expense of many human lives.

297 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:29:49pm

re: #296 StephenMeansMe

Cruz is so so so so wrong about Marxism and the theory of evolution it’s not even funny. No, they don’t go hand in hand, it’s quite the opposite:

I’m just waiting for Cruz to cut to the chase and tell us how evolution is a “Jewish Science” or something.

298 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:31:22pm

Odd.

299 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:33:56pm

Job?

300 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:35:39pm

re: #299 Aqua Obama

Job?

Shooter apparently lifted helmet screen, smiled and waved at someone in the mall. Allegedly shooting at surveillance cameras. Developing.

301 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:36:12pm

re: #296 StephenMeansMe

Cruz is so so so so wrong about Marxism and the theory of evolution it’s not even funny. No, they don’t go hand in hand, it’s quite the opposite:

You are technically correct…but there’s pretty much zero relationship between actual communism and Cruz pere’s “Communism.”

302 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:41:15pm

re: #297 Aqua Obama

I’m just waiting for Cruz to cut to the chase and tell us how evolution is a “Jewish Science” or something.

I hear one guy who once talked about “Jewish science” considered atomic sciences to fall into the same category, and nothing ironic ever happened to him or his allies because of that…

303 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:41:41pm


This is a huge mall. It’s got over 200 stores, AMC movies with 14 screens, a huge food court and several attached restaurants. It’s located at Routes 4 and 17 - one of the major intersections in Northern NJ and just a few minutes from the lair.

They’ve been reporting that police from every agency and town in the county are responding, and I’ve seen tv reports showing tactical units on the scene as well.

All the reports so far aren’t indicating injuries or casualties. Some are indicating that the shooter had full body armor. Others that the shooter dressed in black. Some indicating that at least 4 shots fired in vicinity of the Nordstroms department store side of the mall - the NE corner, which is where Joe’s and Pappa Razi, Uniqlo, and the Apple Store are located on the upper level.

304 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:48:17pm

Beginning to wonder more and more why body armor is available for purchase to civilians.

305 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:48:22pm

Gawker’s got running updates on the situation at the mall as well.

While the mall normally closes at 9:30, there are sections of the mall that are open later - including restaurants, which are on the perimeter of the mall with separate entrances, and the movie theater.

That report on CBS news also claims more than one shooter, and that there are casualties - but no confirmations on that.

Heard a couple of reports indicating that shots were fired at security cameras (but not confirmed).

Hackensack Med, a trauma center, is on standby, but so far no indications anyone has been transported.

Trying to secure the place is a bear with dozens of entrances and the perimeter road that takes you right onto major highways (4, 17, and Garden State Parkway) plus local roads.

306 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:50:23pm

CBS being stupid.

307 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:53:52pm

He’s not wearing body armor. Yeesh. Every time this happens people are screeching body armor.

308 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:55:44pm

All of the reports are indicating that the shooter and/or shots fired were in the vicinity of the Nordstrom’s department store, with the path being somewhere from the Apple store, walking north towards Nordstrom’s and then West towards the Talbots on the upper level.

The Record’s indicating a lone gunman firing into the air.

None of the witness reported seeing anyone hit by the gunfire.

One witness said the man was “strutting by” and talking to himself as he fired at least five shots.

Althea Brown, 26, of Paterson said she was in Talbots, a clothing store in the mall, when she saw the man walk by.

“He looked at me and kept on walking,” she said. She said she heard three shots, then two more. The man appeared to be wearing body armor, and had the visor of his helmet pulled up as he walked, she said.

Another witness, Shadey Reyes, 24, a Bergen County resident, was working in the J. Crew store when she heard the shots.

“Everyone froze in place,” she said, then ran to the parking lot.

I’m just hoping no one was hit or injured in all this and that they catch the shooter real soon.

309 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:58:25pm
310 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:02:17pm

re: #307 Gus

He’s not wearing body armor. Yeesh. Every time this happens people are screeching body armor.

Have there been an AR-15 sighting yet? Seriously, this reminds me of the “News for Parrots” monty python sketch. There are reports the gunman is white, the mall seems in an affluent area so it’s national news. Meanwhile this very evening in Chicago: 1 dead, several shot on the south and west sides chicagotribune.com

It doesn’t make national news because the shooters and victims aren’t white and probably poor. National news coverage follows some really odd patterns.

311 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:04:46pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Have there been an AR-15 sighting yet? Seriously, this reminds me of the “News for Parrots” monty python sketch. There are reports the gunman is white, the mall seems in an affluent area so it’s national news. Meanwhile this very evening in Chicago: 1 dead, several shot on the south and west sides chicagotribune.com

It doesn’t make national news because the shooters and victims aren’t white and probably poor. National news coverage follows some really odd patterns.

Not yet and it’s oddly rational so far save for the local CBS news gal on Twitter and as usual, 911OPERATOR.

312 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:04:53pm

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Have there been an AR-15 sighting yet? Seriously, this reminds me of the “News for Parrots” monty python sketch. There are reports the gunman is white, the mall seems in an affluent area so it’s national news. Meanwhile this very evening in Chicago: 1 dead, several shot on the south and west sides chicagotribune.com

It doesn’t make national news because the shooters and victims aren’t white and probably poor. National news coverage follows some really odd patterns.

The shooter is a group of white loners with black skin completely made out of AR-15s wearing AK-47s for body armor.

313 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:06:36pm

re: #312 Kragar

The shooter is a group of white loners with black skin completely made out of AR-15s wearing AK-47s for body armor.

….yelling Allahu Ackbar while shooting up Christmas displays!

314 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:07:47pm

So far no reports of injuries, and no indication that a suspect is in custody. Police have set up a huge perimeter to screen people at the mall who were stuck inside when the reports came in that shots were fired.

315 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:08:23pm

Inevitable cable news segments later this week wondering if breathless cable news coverage feeds copy cat shootings.

316 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:09:18pm

re: #313 Killgore Trout

….yelling Allahu Ackbar while shooting up Christmas displays!

They are shouting secular atheist pro-life slogans about choice while silently stalking the site, precisely spraying the area with automatic weapons fire from double barrel shotguns.

Hey, CNN just called me about a job offer.

317 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:10:28pm

re: #316 Kragar

They are shouting secular atheist pro-life slogans about choice while silently stalking the site, precisely spraying the area with automatic weapons fire from double barrel shotguns.

Hey, CNN just called me about a job offer.

Tell them you’ll only agree to take the job if you can get whatever Wolf’s been smoking all these years.

//

318 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:12:11pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Doesn’t have to be a copycat. Could be a guy who saw a chance to rob one of the many stores in the mall, or someone with mental issues, and once shots fired, police responding based on 911 would see/indicate a huge response to secure the facility.

And a facility of this size gets a huge response. A facility located in the NYC metro area gets a huge media response. Multiplier effect on media coverage and the rush to conclusions.

So far, the only thing to take consolation in is that there aren’t a stream of ambulances - not seeing them queued up or taking injured people as yet.

319 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:13:44pm


A single shot - and a single casing has been recovered. Shooter may have already left mall.

320 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:15:56pm
321 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:18:15pm

re: #319 lawhawk

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A single shot - and a single casing has been recovered. Shooter may have already left mall.

All that means is that LE has FOUND just one casing.

322 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:19:03pm

re: #319 lawhawk

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A single shot - and a single casing has been recovered. Shooter may have already left mall.

Sounding rather odd so far.

323 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:19:30pm

re: #320 lawhawk

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Strange story. Could be a nut but it sounds like someone who wanted to cause a scene. Maybe to scare an ex boss, ex wife, someone who owed him money.

324 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:20:03pm

re: #307 Gus

Not just CBS. NY Daily News headlining that gunman had body armor shooting up mall.

Garden State Plaza mall shooting: Shots fired in New Jersey’s Garden State Plaza in Paramus by man wearing full body armor near Nordstrom: reports

Read more: nydailynews.com

NY Post? Headline is more subdued, but they’re highlighting that witnesses saw gunman with full body armor.

A gunman opened fire in the Garden State Plaza in Paramus, New Jersey, Monday night, according to local police.

A law enforcement source said that early reports indicated the shooter was “dressed in all black body armor” and may have been shooting out security cameras.

And it’s quite possible each of the early news reports were piggybacking on the original incorrect/incomplete reports coming in from a chaotic scene.

You can bet though that security footage from the mall will be screened and checked to see what really happened.

325 sagehen  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:21:53pm

either…

it’s a 2nd Amendment activist, doing a little street theater to demonstrate why everyone should be carrying, because what if he’d been an Actual Bad Guy wanting to kill lots of people and they’d need a good guy with a gun to stop him.

or

it’s an anti-2nd Amendment activist, doing a little street theater to demonstrate why guns should be outlawed and seized because how can the economy ever recover if people are afraid to go shopping.

326 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:22:42pm

re: #321 Gus

All that means is that LE has FOUND just one casing.

It’s true that some witnesses have reported what they believed to be multiple gunshots, but the lack so far of any reported injuries and the gunman’s elusiveness is making this just weird. This sounds less like a “crazed gunman” and more like an especially violent version of street art.

327 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:23:17pm

Mall event scanner feed.

328 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:25:51pm

re: #326 Targetpractice

Or, they heard echoes of the single shot. Quite possible given the size of the place and the layout.

329 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:26:21pm

re: #326 Targetpractice

It’s true that some witnesses have reported what they believed to be multiple gunshots, but the lack so far of any reported injuries and the gunman’s elusiveness is making this just weird. This sounds less like a “crazed gunman” and more like an especially violent version of street art.

Banksy!

330 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:27:58pm
331 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:28:31pm

re: #324 lawhawk

It also might just be a tactical vest with lots of pockets and straps. A frightened witness might identify it as body armor.

332 ausador  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:30:40pm

re: #321 Gus

All that means is that LE has FOUND just one casing.

I’m putting the other ones up for sale on Craigslist…

///

333 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:33:39pm

So Ted Cruz’s father may even be more insane than he is.

334 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:35:58pm

re: #331 Killgore Trout

Or someone wearing dark colored motorcycle gear - pants and jackets that are reinforced for riding and/or in cold weather.

335 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:36:12pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

336 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:37:02pm

Better invade Hoboken.
— George W. Bush

337 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:38:33pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel

Cool!

338 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:39:09pm

Derp, derp, derp.

339 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:42:01pm

re: #335 lawhawk

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

Yeah seriously. The father thinks evolution is a communist lie. And the son thinks a faux filabuster is akin to the Bataan Death March.

340 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:43:54pm

And with that… I’m outta here.

341 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:45:30pm

Night Lizards.

God/Nature doesn’t play favorites.

Both are equally cruel, desipite what some wish to beieve.

Youtube Video

Just some thoughts from this old and tired cold_warrior.

342 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:00:19pm

Me: “Hey, do I have a bug bite or pimple on my back?”
Daughter: “Let me loo- OHMYGOD! WHAT IS THAT?… You’re fine.”

My daughter, master of subtlety and tact.

343 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:01:08pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

I’ll tell you this much, if Cucci wins tomorrow, this state is in for some very dark times. And that’s not an exaggeration. As much as I loathe the man, McDonnell did a lot to keep the state’s Republicans in line in the legislature, defusing attempts to ram some very unpopular bills and redistricting plans down our throats because he hoped to run for the presidency one day. Cucci will happily sign those bills and plunge this state into a level of derpitude that we have thankfully avoided in the wake of the TP uprising.

I agree strongly. I really hope enough of our fellow Virginians agree that he’s bad news. Fortunately, I think he will lose but then again I did not expect McDonnell to win in the huge landslide that he did and it’s downright shameful in the first place that Cucci is our AG let alone a possibility for our future governor.

344 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:07:52pm

The liner lock on my Spyderco migrated all the way to the right.

Thanks Obama.

345 AlexRogan  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:10:07pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

The liner lock on my Spyderco migrated all the way to the right.

Thanks Obama.

Should have gotten a Gerber.

///

346 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:10:39pm

re: #345 AlexRogan

Should have gotten a Gerber.

///

Yup.

347 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:10:51pm

re: #330 lawhawk

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“not an active shooting incident” = The best possible news in this situation.

348 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:13:01pm

Like I said.

Odd.

349 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:14:50pm

Patrice O’Neal on the racial version of “news for parrots” coverage (NSFW)
Patrice O Neal on missing white woman
Youtube Video

350 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:53:18am

re: #268 jamesfirecat

I think the Tash and Aslan solution here may be the best explanation Dark though I don’t want to put words into frank’s mouth, but once someone takes the time to thoroughly test and justify their morals they are no longer morals they have “graduated” into eithics.

Likewise if “ethics” are not backed up/tested/explored they are not really ethics but simply morals.

It is not the name that matters but the actions behind them.

It’s why the word I most often use to describe myself is existentialist. It’s what you do, not what you believe, that counts.

351 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:38:08am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

Dear Spreadbullshit:
There are no “communists” any more, they all died out by the ‘90’s, but that’s just a word you like to use to describe anything that you don’t like.
I DON’T LIKE THIS RESTAURANT AND THEIR COMMUNIST BURGERS!!!
DID YOU SEE THE COMMUNIST PANTS THAT FAT WOMAN WAS WEARING!!!
MILEY CYRUS IS SUCH A COMMUNIST TWERKER!!!!

[Embedded content]

I tend to do that, except that I call them Bolsheviks: Bolshevik food, Bolshevik drivers, Bolshevik know-it-alls, etc.

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:46:34am

re: #342 Kragar

Me: “Hey, do I have a bug bite or pimple on my back?”
Daughter: “Let me loo- OHMYGOD! WHAT IS THAT?… You’re fine.”

My daughter, master of subtlety and tact.

She learned it from you, no?

353 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:51:21am

Yes, we need to stop the government control of our lives — which is why we desperately need the government to be able to tell us who we can and can’t marry. Or what plants we can and can’t smoke.

Pay close attention to the constant use of ‘communist’, folks. These people are unapologetic McCarthyites, unashamed of being so. They are decaying, decrepit relics of the 40s, zombies come back to taint and destroy all goodness in this nation. They would undo the last 70 years of progress just to wrap their withered claws around a tiny shred of the ill-gotten power they once had.

354 thecommodore  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:58:34am

re: #123 ObserverArt

You a Browns fan?

I’ve never seen an NFL team that has such stark differences in how successful a team will be in a game based on the play of one ‘professional round one draft choice’ quarterback when on the field. If Weeds is in the game the whole team plays crappy. As soon as he’s out, the two backups make the team go. Night and day difference. Talk about playing yourself out of a job. Now all they need to do is try to keep any other quarterback they have healthy so Weeds is never in a game again this year.

I’ve been a Browns fan for more than 40 years, and I’ve suffered through some horrid quarterbacking (Mike Phipps, Paul McDonald, Tim Couch), as well as some great QBing (Bernie Kosar). In all that time, I think it’s safe to say that Weeden is the worst QB in team history. One reason is what you point out - the whole team plays down to his level. Sometimes a team with a really good defense can get a sketchy quarterback out of trouble (such as the Bears when Rex Grossman was under center), but you can see in the faces of the players the complete lack of confidence in Weeden as soon as he takes the field. You can’t blame poor play on one guy, but it’s amazing how, for instance, Greg Little seemed to lose his cement hands on Sunday when it was Jason Campbell throwing to him and not Weeden.

Quite frankly, they just should cut their losses and cut Weeden immediately. He can’t even be a “serviceable backup,” and there was a injury scare when Campbell went out briefly on Sunday. Fortunately his ribs were only bruised, but it’s a little too close for comfort not to have a credible understudy, especially with the team finally seeming to turn a corner.


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