1 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:14:12pm

I was hoping for an open!
TY Charles!

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:18:52pm

Well, an Aaron Rodgers injury opened an opportunity for the Chicago Bears, and they did make use of it, beating the Green Bay Packers 27-20.

With all NFC North teams having played 8 games the Lions, Bears, and Packers are in a three way tie at 5-3 (the Vikings are last and least at 1-7). Next up for the Bears: A home game on Sunday against Detroit. It turns out Jay Cutler’s injury is less severe than feared and he plans to start on Sunday. The Bears will need him and every other trick in their offensive arsenal to outscore Matt Stafford and the Lions.

3 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:21:03pm
4 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:41:27pm

So..There I am…
I’m on the road.. It’s about midnight at a road side motel..
I get into my car with a mixed drink…yummy.Stoli and OJ..Anyhoo I’m smoking a Cuban cigar with the Rolling stones blasting out..Start me up.. My God I remember the exact second.. the minute..the time in my life when that song was blasting out on the Jukebox in Alameda..Those memories..whoa..
I Thought..Would I even know me back then..If I met myself would I even know me in 1980..I’m not sure..I sat back thinking about life with my cigar and drink with the radio on..
I was then surrounded by Indiana police..A SUV blocking me and 2 patrol cars on each side.. I fricking almost swallowed my cigar..Panic in that moment..Turned down the radio..Queen just started so that pissed me off..
I thought..Is this the Hoopster in 1981? Really? In that moment I jumped out the car in my Jammies with a cuban cigar clenched in my mouth declaring ‘you got me!’ But just seconds before they all raced off..I stood outside in the parking lot all by myself..I guess they ran the plates on the Beemer from Oklahoma and sped off..As I stand defienent by myself in my PJ’s and throw back Celtics coat.. I’m not the same man..We all change..We all evolve.

5 Kragar  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 9:47:57pm

This weekend, Space Wolves Great Company versus a Night Lords Warpsmith’s Warband.

6 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:01:36pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Well, an Aaron Rodgers injury opened an opportunity for the Chicago Bears, and they did make use of it, beating the Green Bay Packers 27-20.

With all NFC North teams having played 8 games the Lions, Bears, and Packers are in a three way tie at 5-3 (the Vikings are last and least at 1-7). Next up for the Bears: A home game on Sunday against Detroit. It turns out Jay Cutler’s injury is less severe than feared and he plans to start on Sunday. The Bears will need him and every other trick in their offensive arsenal to outscore Matt Stafford and the Lions.

If the Bears put Cutler back in they are guaranteed to lose. McCown played well today. Zero turnovers. Zero interceptions. Over 200+ yards passing. Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke. I really hope they let him play on Sunday and keep the sore groin sidelined.

7 Gus  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:14:37pm

BEGIN HORIZONTAL MODE

8 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:18:35pm

re: #7 Gus

BEGIN HORIZONTAL MODE

Good Night, Gus. I’m going to turn in as well. Sleep well, all.

10 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:25:24pm
11 Lidane  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:48:25pm

So tonight, I went to a taping of Austin City Limits with Nine Inch Nails. It was AWESOME. As usual, Trent Reznor kicked ass and took names. Here’s my view before the show started:

Image: ninpreshow.jpg

Aside from a couple of drunk bouncy dudes that insisted on singing and miming every song played, the show was amazeballs. Look for it when it airs in your area. NIN are a can’t miss band.

12 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:52:31pm

re: #11 Lidane

Cool!! I saw NIN in the 90s with Pop Will Eat Itself. Great show.

13 piratedan  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 10:59:17pm

angrybearblog.com

that’s okay, the GOP just wants to reduce government in blue districts, not their own

14 piratedan  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:12:28pm
15 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:33:00pm

Really good article in Fast Company about a team of Marine advisers in Afghanistan, highly recommend reading it all:

That upped the ante. If this was the end game, it became doubly important for the advisers to figure out where to invest their time. What end state should they aim for? What should “independent” look like? There was no way the Afghans would become as proficient in the time remaining as the Americans. That would take decades—if ever. And there’s no roadmap for this stuff. Adviser teams essentially function like startup entrepreneurs: They are counted on to just make it up as they go along, pulling from best practices when they can, but otherwise just using their own smarts to figure out where to double-down on their efforts.

Like many eureka moments, the answer came in part from what on the surface appeared to be a failure. Because of resource constraints, one kandak in the 1/215—the 3rd—didn’t have any advisers. Yet, oddly, of all the kandaks, that one actually seemed to be doing the best. They had security under control. They were actively collaborating with the other authorities in their area. Insurgents weren’t making any inroads. Indeed, it would be forces from this kandak, based in Marjah, that helped trounce the Taliban that day in September 2012. “We wondered if that was an indicator,” says Bourbeau. What he and Treglia saw as they watched the battle unfold seemed to confirm it. Maybe keeping the advisers around wasn’t helping the Afghans as much as they thought. “Maybe we were actually slowing things down,” Bourbeau says.

It was basic human nature. “If you put 19 Marines in one area, that means there are 19 Marines working to get things done, and that means there are 19 ANA who aren’t doing their job,” Treglia says. The Marines are stronger and better trained. Why wouldn’t the Afghans defer? But that approach only solves the problem of the day. “Strategically, to win this war, the ANA must have confidence and must be able to show that they can succeed,” Treglia says.

So Treglia decided to take a risk: He pulled the advisers out and replaced them with the two- and four-man LNOs. “It was a brilliant move,” says one of Treglia’s captains, who stayed behind as an LNO team leader. At first, the Afghans hated it. “They’re like, ‘You guys suck. Why are you leaving us?’” says the captain. But after a couple of weeks of the Marines telling the Afghans they couldn’t do things for them anymore, it was like a light went off. “They were like, ‘We can do this.’” And then, “We don’t need any Marines.” And not long after, “What are you still doing here?”

Like I said read the whole thing, it’s worth it. Love the concept of the “good motherfucker club.”

16 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:35:34pm

One more bit from the article:

The implicit thinking in an organization like this would be that, if a commander wanted to make the kind of major tactical shift Treglia had in mind, he would run it by the regional command for its blessing. Treglia didn’t. A bureaucracy may very well have killed the idea, and he understood why: “There was a hesitancy among guys who’ve devoted limbs, arms, legs, and lives to the Helmand Valley to turn it over the Afghans, who suck compared to the Marine Corps,” Treglia says in his usual forthright way. But he didn’t share their doubts. He worked closely with the ANA and saw what they were capable of. “You can suck but still beat the Taliban,” he says, “because the Taliban really, really suck.” And though there was an increasing reluctance to put lives at risk, Treglia didn’t think the LNOs’ safety would be an issue. They’d be co-located with other Marine units who were large enough to look out for them.

17 freetoken  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 11:50:45pm

Is racism hereditary?

18 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:10:55am

He. Colbert had a segment about a Twitter account Real Human Praise

Apparently they take horror movie reviews from Rotten Tomatoes, strip out the movie references and replace them with FOX personalities. SOme of them are meh. But some are pretty funny.

19 freetoken  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:24:21am
20 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:49:08am

re: #17 freetoken

Is racism hereditary?

Is racism one thing?

21 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 3:05:21am

re: #17 freetoken

Is racism hereditary?

It’s heredity only to the extent that all humans are disposed towards distrusting ‘outsiders’. After that it is cultural because culture determines what group of people are ‘outsiders’.

22 freetoken  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 3:13:13am

Ellington:

MP3 Audio

23 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 3:48:50am

Was this a failed copycat, or are we going to see a rash of these?

Prosecutor: Garden State Plaza gunman committed suicide inside mall, body found

See more at: northjersey.com

“The body of a 20-year-old Teaneck man who walked into the Westfield Garden State Plaza mall in Paramus on Monday night and fired six shots, setting off a panicked frenzy and a six-hour manhunt, was found in a storage area inside the shopping center early Tuesday morning with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head, authorities said.

“John L. Molinelli, the Bergen County Prosecutor, identified the shooter as Richard Shoop, 20, at a predawn press conference. He said authorities recovered a note from the house Shoop shared with his parents on Emerson Avenue in Teaneck. Molinelli did not describe its contents but said he would not classify it as a suicide note.

“Molinelli said Shoop, dressed head-to-toe in black and wearing a black helmet, entered the mall about ten minutes before it was due to close at 9:30 and fired six rounds from a Sig Sauer rifle that had been modified to resemble an AK-47-style assault rifle. The rounds struck an escalator and an elevator, but Molinelli said Shoop did not appear to be firing at anyone.”

24 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:10:54am


Was this guy trying to break into show biz? exploretalent.com

Not the way I’d do it.

25 Flounder  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:22:53am

Don’t forget to vote!
I voted for a Democrat for the first time since Carl McCall. It was a trap! He also ran on the conservative platform.
I feel sullied and unwell.

26 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:24:41am

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

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Was this guy trying to break into show biz? exploretalent.com

Not the way I’d do it.

The poster is for a movie about a neo-nazi.

27 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:26:43am

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

The poster is for a movie about a neo-nazi.

Yeah, looks like who he was modeling himself after.

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:27:29am

IDIOT==>
We don’t know ANYTHING about the mall shooter, dumbass, except that he loved a movie about a neo-nazi.

29 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:28:19am

Wingnuts aren’t saying anything about the LAX shooter, gee I wonder why. Could it be there’s no way they can claim he’s an “Obama voter”?

30 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:29:04am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

IDIOT==>
We don’t know ANYTHING about the mall shooter, dumbass, except that he loved a movie about a neo-nazi.

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The cops have a note that Shoop wrote that was in his apt—described as “not a suicide note”.

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:29:55am

re: #30 Justanotherhuman

The cops have a note that Shook wrote that was in his apt—described as “not a suicide note”.

They’re not saying what was in the note.

32 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:30:40am

Bryan is Derping up a storm this morning. How dumb is this?

33 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:38:49am
34 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:43:07am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul caught plagiarizing AGAIN!

Them’s fightin’ words!!!

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:44:13am

re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus

If the Bears put Cutler back in they are guaranteed to lose. McCown played well today. Zero turnovers. Zero interceptions. Over 200+ yards passing. Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke. I really hope they let him play on Sunday and keep the sore groin sidelined.

I hope Cutler plays. I’d like to see Detroit pull ahead in the standings.

36 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:53:06am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

They are so quick to do this.
Wonder why…
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37 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:56:25am

re: #34 Sol Berdinowitz

Them’s fightin’ words!!!

Certainly raises a lot of questions about his education, too.

Who wrote his papers at Duke, for instance? What was his standing in medical school? Bottom of the class? Just squeaked by? No wonder he formed his own specialty licensing board—if you’re the boss, you can do and say anything you please.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 4:57:57am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is Derping up a storm this morning. How dumb is this?

Obama: Indian name “Redskins,” bad. Indian name “Blackhawks,” most excellent.

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Attention, dumbfuck. “Blackhawk” was the actual name of an actual person. Nobody regards it as a slur because, among other things, bigots and haters have never used it as one.

Fact is, ‘bagger quacks like Bryan aren’t even trying anymore. Bryan’s audience does not care how stupid he sounds, or how transparently dishonest he is, so long as he keeps their fig-leaf talking points rolling in.

39 Mike Lamb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:02:19am

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

The poster is for a movie about a neo-nazi.

A neo-Nazi who redeems himself after going to jail. Either the guy’s appearance is misleading or he didn’t watch the movie very closely.

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:02:35am

Last night I downloaded The Complete Symphonies of Mozart, from 1-41, including a bunch of symphonies that he wrote before he was 5 years old.

In spite of being a friggin’ musical genius, he couldn’t manage money for shit.

Dr. Ben Carson running political office is like Mozart offering financial advice.

41 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:03:40am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

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Attention, dumbfuck. “Blackhawk” was the actual name of an actual person. Nobody regards it as a slur because, among other things, bigots and haters have never used it as one.

Fact is, ‘bagger quacks like Bryan aren’t even trying anymore. Bryan’s audience does not care how stupid he sounds, or how transparently dishonest he is, so long as he keeps their fig-leaf talking points rolling in.

Boom!

42 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:07:14am

An American History X poster is suspicious. Unless I saw some other Ed Norton memorabilia or some civil rights stuff around I’d definitely high tail it out of there.

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:10:04am
44 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:11:37am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

They will not give up on that talking point. But then again, we have Sovereign Citizens who feel that every individual has the right to “nullify” any laws they disagree with.

45 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:23:14am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

IDIOT==>
We don’t know ANYTHING about the mall shooter, dumbass, except that he loved a movie about a neo-nazi.

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46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:24:33am
47 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:30:32am

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

I hope Cutler plays. I’d like to see Detroit pull ahead in the standings.

As Ralphieboy just said, them’s fightin’ words. I also think those are words you’re liable to end up eating, as much improved as the Bears’ offensive line is now. And the game is in Chicago, so the Bears do have that advantage as well.

What you’ve got to worry about is if Rodgers can recover quickly. The Packers will need to score more than the 20 points they got last night if they hope to defeat the Eagles on Sunday.

48 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:31:39am

Fitch Credit Scoring— Alabama and other states that did not expand Medicaid under ACA:

Study: Not expanding Medicaid could hurt hospitals


wsfa.com

49 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:33:36am
50 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:34:02am

When my wife’s mom died we took in George the cat. He likes sitting on my desk in this one spot so he just pushed an inconveniencing pile of papers onto the floor. Then looked me in the eye and meowed loudly. He’s laying there now watching me type. He appears annoyed with me.

51 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:35:56am

Took a trip to the Lane Auto Museum here in Nashville this weekend…
A 1920’s Leyat Helica…

Leyat 01

52 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:36:27am

re: #50 Amory Blaine

When my wife’s mom died we took in George the cat. He likes sitting on my desk in this one spot so he just pushed an inconveniencing pile of papers onto the floor. Then looked me in the eye and meowed loudly. He’s laying there now watching me type. He appears annoyed with me.

Well, you are not paying him the requisite amount of attention, duh.

Good morning Lizardim from the cold and soon-to-be snowy wild north country. 2-4 inches of accumulation is expected this evening, so I spent some time last night filling the tires on the snowblower, checking the oil, and fueling it up to make sure it’s ready to run. How go things among the lizardfolk this fine freezing morning?

53 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:38:19am
54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:46:15am

Remember remember the 5th of November, that Guy whose face you Anon Dudebro’s wear on your masks, was a Catholic theocrat, and the holiday that commemorates his defeat was observed for many years by anti-Catholic riots.

55 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:48:48am

Rest of the pics… Chrome is giving me fits this morning…

There were a number of attempts to build a propeller driven vehicle around this time frame, they were all uniformly unsuccessful in practice. Some of them were very fast in a straight line, but all suffered from the problem that since the ONLY propulsion was the propeller, they very quickly got stuck going up hills.

Leyat 02

Leyat 03

RBS

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:52:27am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Remember remember the 5th of November, that Guy whose face you Anon Dudebro’s wear on your masks, was a Catholic theocrat, and the holiday that commemorates his defeat was observed for many years by anti-Catholic riots.

In Colonial New England, November 5th was called “Pope’s Day” and instead of effigies of Fawkes being burned, the bonfires were used to burn effigies of the pope. This went on till the Revolutionary War, when George Washington ordered a stop to it, knowing it alienated Catholics found in other parts of the 13 colonies whose support the Revolution would need.

57 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:52:41am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

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Is there some cultural phenomenon going on with young white males? Other than the straight out racism, sometimes hidden under a veneer of acceptable cultural differences, easily accessible guns, a veneer of “respectability” since so many come not from poverty, but solidly middle class backgrounds, with “clueless” family, friends, etc.

These types—young, white, male—are also the ones who seem the most consumed with libertarian ideology, also, so I suppose it would just take a step or two further right along the political spectrum to commit these acts, even though they wouldn’t describe themselves as “white supremacists”.

The first thing that springs to mind is that it must be “mental illness” when something like this happens. Yet, when someone like Aaron Alexis, a black man, commits this kind of act, it takes longer (with proof) to make that designation.

58 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 5:58:46am

re: #57 Justanotherhuman

This may sound like a dumb question, but are there any libertarians who are not white and middle class? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

59 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:00:14am

Good morning Lizards! Cool (mid-40s F), and partially cloudy in Philly this morning.

Day 2 of a virtual classroom training class (SAP stuff). Doing it from home in the spare room. Have my laptop plugged into the TV via VGA cable for a big screen to look at, VPN into the company network for access to the classroom itself and using my work phone for the audio.

The cats find all the extra wires amusing and have been hanging out in here (when I let them).

Things change next week. Chicago-bound for another training class.

60 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:00:52am

The cost of rejecting Medicaid funds for Wisconsin

Counties call for Walker to accept Medicaid funding

A Tale of Two States - Why Wisconsin Premiums are Higher than Minnesota

Wisconsin health insurance exchange premiums for single coverage will be on average 79% to 99% higher than premiums in Minnesota, before tax credits are applied. That is a difference of over $1,800 a year.

61 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:01:34am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

This may sound like a dumb question, but are there any libertarians who are not white and middle class? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

White and economic upper class—the 1% dudebros.

62 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:01:52am

re: #57 Justanotherhuman

Is there some cultural phenomenon going on with young white males? Other than the straight out racism, sometimes hidden under a veneer of acceptable cultural differences, easily accessible guns, a veneer of “respectability” since so many come not from poverty, but solidly middle class backgrounds, with “clueless” family, friends, etc.

These types—young, white, male—are also the ones who seem the most consumed with libertarian ideology, also, so I suppose it would just take a step or two further right along the political spectrum to commit these acts, even though they wouldn’t describe themselves as “white supremacists”.

The first thing that springs to mind is that it must be “mental illness” when something like this happens. Yet, when someone like Aaron Alexis, a black man, commits this kind of act, it takes longer (with proof) to make that designation.

I’m of the opinion that it’s a reaction against the authoritarian parenting of the generation before. Most people my age that I’ve talked to, if they had anything resembling a normal household, also had what I would call a “normal” parenting experience - occasional physical discipline, moderately strict rules, teenage rebellion swiftly put down with revocation of privileges. Kids these days don’t want to be their parents, so they’re reacting against the strict authoritarianism by promoting themselves as libertarians. Which also raises concerns about their parenting styles - many younger couples whom my wife has nannied/babysat for have kids that are wild terrors but they refuse to discipline them properly.

63 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:02:14am

re: #12 Amory Blaine

Saw them at Woodstock 94, before they were widely known. They blew the pants off the place - upstaging both Metallica and Aerosmith, who were the headliners on that Saturday night.

If anything, Reznor is even more polished than he was back then - channeling all that rage and emotion in new directions. The new album rocks, and I’ve seen his current tour on video. Totally rocking, and it’s interesting watching him use technology to expand musical horizons, rather than as a crutch as many other artists do (especially when they autotune voices).

64 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:04:43am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

This may sound like a dumb question, but are there any libertarians who are not white and middle class? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

Koch Bros. They are white, but not middle class.

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:06:09am

*HEADDESK*
Any quotes from Obama’s father of the many public speeches that he made?

66 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:07:18am

And I’m glad that the situation at the Garden State Plaza mall ended as it did - the shooter committing suicide, rather than how it could have been - with a significant number of casualties.

Police are still at the mall, and they were still going through stores checking to make sure it was secure this morning. The mall’s going to be closed today, and there’s a whole lot of people who are grateful that the police responded as they did.

The focus will be on why the shooter did what he did. Seems to be a troubled person with a drug history and who apparently stole the gun from his brother. He apparently sought to commit suicide - or suicide by cop. So he chose the most visible way to do so.

If anything, this once again shows the need to step up mental health services and support for getting drug abusers clean and sober. You’ll probably hear about how the shooter came from a nice and quiet neighborhood (Teaneck, which really is a nice place), but drugs are all over the place, and not just in urban centers. It’s the ugly truth and this was but one possible ugly outcome.

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:07:25am

re: #64 wrenchwench

Koch Bros. They are white, but not middle class.

Unless you subscribe to a rigid definition that there is virtually no American upper class—don’t have the pedigree and all. The Kochs would just be filthy rich bourgeoisie.

68 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:09:31am
69 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:10:20am

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Apparently the 13th amendment screws honest people. And the 17th. And the 19th. What a maroon.

70 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:10:56am

re: #68 lawhawk

How soon before Glenn Beck says this is part of Obama’s war on Christians?

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:11:53am

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Your party will be punished for their tantrum.
Personal responsibility!

72 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:13:57am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

This may sound like a dumb question, but are there any libertarians who are not white and middle class? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

Herman Cain is an exception to both labels.

73 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:14:42am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Unless you subscribe to a rigid definition that there is virtually no American upper class—don’t have the pedigree and all. The Kochs would just be filthy rich bourgeoisie.

The Kochs want the entire USA to be changed to suit Koch business interests. Not sure if that classfies them as libertarians or greedy mutherfockers.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:15:23am

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi

The Kochs want the entire USA to be changed to suit Koch business interests. Not sure if that classfies them as libertarians or greedy mutherfockers.

They can be both.

75 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:15:53am

re: #72 kirkspencer

Herman Cain is an exception to both labels.

Well, there’s one exception to every rule. And he’s just as wacko as Crazy Uncle Ron.

76 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:16:30am

This is how much some states love their kids.

IG Finds States’ Child Care Requirements Too Lax

abcnews.go.com

In NC, no one need have any real formal training in early childhood development, although many do. “Christian” daycares whose creed requires corporal punishment are exempt from the law preventing its use. The only real requirements for operating a daycare are that the primary operator must be 21 (you can leave an 18 yr old in charge in your absence), pass a criminal background check, and pay required fees. Although caregivers must have a North Carolina Early Childhood Credential or its equivalent, they have 6 mos to obtain one while employed (it doesn’t appeare to require any particular training). also required is a CPR certificate. You can keep up to 5 kids in your house, plus 3 after-schoolers. After that, you are required to have a separate facility which is inspected yearly, I believe. In fact, facilities are more scrutinized that the providers themselves.

“Discipline
Each program must have a written policy on discipline, must discuss it
with parents, and must give parents a copy when the child is enrolled.
Changes in the discipline policy must be shared with parents in writing
before going into effect. Corporal punishment (spanking, slapping, or
other physical discipline) is prohibited in all centers and family child care
homes. Religious-sponsored programs which notify the Division of Child
Development and Early Education that corporal punishment is part of
their religious training are exempt from that part of the law. “

77 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:16:34am

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

They can be both.

Quite true.

78 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:17:54am

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

Religious-sponsored programs which notify the Division of Child
Development and Early Education that corporal punishment is part of
their religious training are exempt from that part of the law.

WTFITS

79 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:18:33am

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

Religious-sponsored programs which notify the Division of Child
Development and Early Education that corporal punishment is part of
their religious training are exempt from that part of the law.

Say wha?

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:19:35am

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi

The Kochs want the entire USA to be changed to suit Koch business interests. Not sure if that classfies them as libertarians or greedy mutherfockers.

re: #77 wheat-dogghazi

Quite true.

Whatever libertarianism is, they seem to have bought the franchise, starting well before the Tea Parties.

81 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:22:55am

re: #71 Varek Raith

The same party that originated the call for an individual mandate for health care insurance as a way to make each person responsible for their own health care coverages has now disavowed that policy and claims that it is unconstitutional (after claiming it was the preferred alternative for a generation - since 1989 when Heritage first introduced and heralded the concept).

In fact, the Heritage plan included direct and indirect assistance to make sure that people had access to affordable insurance - subsidies that were mimicked in the ACA. It was proposed before Clinton was elected - and predates Hillarycare. It was touted by the GOP as an alternative to what the Clintons were proposing, but health care reform went nowhere during the ensuing period.

But when Barack Obama became president, he made health care reform a major objective. To encourage GOPers to support the plan, he dropped single payor (the preferred option for Democrats) and went with individual mandate and health exchanges, which mirrored the Heritage’s proposals.

The whole ACA is based on the RomneyCare (MassCare) plan, which was based on the Heritage plan. The only thing different is that a Democrat made it law of the land, and the GOP and Heritage can’t tolerate this, so they’ve committed to the destruction of a policy they championed for a generation.

But ever since the enactment of the ACA, the GOP and Heritage have been trying to rewrite the history of the proposal and simultaneously sought to destroy the program by any means necessary - seizing on every real and imagined problem with the program.

They’re currently hyping the fact that people aren’t getting to keep their policies, or that some have to pay more. Well, that’s no different than before the ACA - except the policies being eliminated in many cases is substandard and doesn’t provide coverages worth the premiums paid. The replacement policies are better - and yet the GOP keeps trying to make apples to zombies comparisons. It’s an argument that has traction since few people really understand health care insurance benefits and what all the numbers mean.

82 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:23:38am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi

Say wha?

Why the shock? The county officials placed mildly delinquent kids in my reform school, where nuns judiciously practiced the punishment practices of the era. During the day, we had two county-paid social workers on site. Conditions were far better than the norm among our parent households.

83 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:25:28am

re: #75 wheat-dogghazi

Well, there’s one exception to every rule. And he’s just as wacko as Crazy Uncle Ron.

You know, I despise that phrase as it gets misused so frequently. Not all rules have exceptions. If there are exceptions, it implies either a case of exceptions (ie, this condition is an exception and here is an example) OR that the rule is at best a generality.

I tossed out Herman Cain. I could toss out some other names but you probably wouldn’t know them - they’re acquaintances who are poor to middle class but non-white. Larry Elder claims to be a libertarian. So does Abdul Hakim-Shabazz. That makes three I’ve named who are not white but are liberatarians. They are wealthy, however, but again the problem with proving non-wealthy is you have to know them.

As to the crazy, well, I’m afraid I think that of most of the libertarians I know. When you get down to bedrock they’re just anarchists who think we will obey the principles of law without enforcement.

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:25:39am

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

All laws screw someone. If you see a law that isn’t screwing criminals, then it’s screwing honest people

I do not see what he is getting at, other than confirming the fact that humans are fallible and imperfect, and any law made by them is subject to those flaws and imperfections, either in conception or execution.

Coming from a “John Galt”, i would assume that it means that we should reject all laws and government and rule ourselves independently.

What a brilliant idea (for a fourteen-year-old)

85 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:26:34am

re: #81 lawhawk

The same party that originated the call for an individual mandate for health care insurance as a way to make each person responsible for their own health care coverages has now disavowed that policy and claims that it is unconstitutional (after claiming it was the preferred alternative for a generation - since 1989 when Heritage first introduced and heralded the concept).

In fact, the Heritage plan included direct and indirect assistance to make sure that people had access to affordable insurance - subsidies that were mimicked in the ACA. It was proposed before Clinton was elected - and predates Hillarycare. It was touted by the GOP as an alternative to what the Clintons were proposing, but health care reform went nowhere during the ensuing period.

But when Barack Obama became president, he made health care reform a major objective. To encourage GOPers to support the plan, he dropped single payor (the preferred option for Democrats) and went with individual mandate and health exchanges, which mirrored the Heritage’s proposals.

The whole ACA is based on the RomneyCare (MassCare) plan, which was based on the Heritage plan. The only thing different is that a Democrat made it law of the land, and the GOP and Heritage can’t tolerate this, so they’ve committed to the destruction of a policy they championed for a generation.

But ever since the enactment of the ACA, the GOP and Heritage have been trying to rewrite the history of the proposal and simultaneously sought to destroy the program by any means necessary - seizing on every real and imagined problem with the program.

They’re currently hyping the fact that people aren’t getting to keep their policies, or that some have to pay more. Well, that’s no different than before the ACA - except the policies being eliminated in many cases is substandard and doesn’t provide coverages worth the premiums paid. The replacement policies are better - and yet the GOP keeps trying to make apples to zombies comparisons. It’s an argument that has traction since few people really understand health care insurance benefits and what all the numbers mean.

Remember they didn’t expect the law to be passed. They proposed it as an alternative to Clinton’s plan just so they could say there was an alternative and “Clinton was choosing the wrong one.”

86 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:31:25am

re: #83 kirkspencer

Well, I’ll avoid using the phrase around you from now on. ;-)

So, there are non-white, non-middle class libertarians, but with the exception of Cain, they don’t seem to get press. Most of the ones I know about are dudebros, who have lived within a fairly sheltered bubble most of their lives.

87 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:31:46am

re: #85 kirkspencer

They were trying to block it by suggesting the individual mandate was superior to the Clinton plan, but it wasn’t invented just for that particular debate - it predates the Clinton plan and health care push by more than three years. That means that the proposal was floating out there among GOPers for that time, and it was ultimately adopted by Romney in MA and the President for the entire US.

Now, it’s the GOP fighting against a proposal that they originally championed as a way of putting the onus on individuals to get health insurance coverages to reduce the burdens on everyone - from the individual who needs access to affordable insurance to hospitals who were going bankrupt due to indigent care and shifting care away from overburdened ERs where health care costs exceed those at urgent care and personal physicians, etc.

88 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:32:09am

re: #84 Sol Berdinowitz

I do not see what he is getting at, other than confirming the fact that humans are fallible and imperfect, and any law made by them is subject to those flaws and imperfections, either in conception or execution.

Coming from a “John Galt”, i would assume that it means that we should reject all laws and government and rule ourselves independently.

What a brilliant idea (for a fourteen-year-old)

That was most of my thought as well. The rest of it was my rejection of the bleakness of such an idea, that rejection being for religious as well as philosophical reasons. I view the idea that “Galt” put forward as incompatible with the beliefs of the Founders and entirely un-Christian. Though that last would make him consistent with Ayn Rand, though not with most people who call themselves ‘libertarian’.

89 darthstar  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:33:04am

Mornin’ everyone.

90 darthstar  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:33:43am

Okay, so maybe his plagiarism is a bit of a habit.

91 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:35:12am

re: #66 lawhawk

And I’m glad that the situation at the Garden State Plaza mall ended as it did - the shooter committing suicide, rather than how it could have been - with a significant number of casualties.

Police are still at the mall, and they were still going through stores checking to make sure it was secure this morning. The mall’s going to be closed today, and there’s a whole lot of people who are grateful that the police responded as they did.

The focus will be on why the shooter did what he did. Seems to be a troubled person with a drug history and who apparently stole the gun from his brother. He apparently sought to commit suicide - or suicide by cop. So he chose the most visible way to do so.

If anything, this once again shows the need to step up mental health services and support for getting drug abusers clean and sober. You’ll probably hear about how the shooter came from a nice and quiet neighborhood (Teaneck, which really is a nice place), but drugs are all over the place, and not just in urban centers. It’s the ugly truth and this was but one possible ugly outcome.

Oh my. I don’t think you meant it this way, but when it’s drugs in the white suburbs, it’s a mental health issue, but when it’s drugs in the inner city, it’s a criminal issue? This is the face of racism in the US.

So much injustice in this country. Imagine, if you can, for just a second, living in a milieu where there is constant unemployment, shortages of money, of food, of care, of services, etc., etc. You feel neglected—you are neglected.

I remember when I lived in Charlotte a public housing project which was built for poor white people right after the Depression. It had, of course, gradually been inhabited by poor blacks, after the 1960s (whites did not stay once it was “integrated”). There were no similar projects initially built for black folks. When it was constructed, it was seen as a “helping hand” for poor whites who might have lost mills jobs, war widows, etc but once black folks moved in, it was seen as a permanent home for them. It was torn down about 10 yrs ago, over 60 yrs after it was built. The rooms were tiny, cramped and meant to be temporary for people going through a rough patch.

My grandmother lived in a rental house not far from this project in the 1950s when poor whites still inhabited the neighborhood and the mills were still operating. I still have photos from that time, having stayed with her over a summer or two after my mother died.

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:37:44am

re: #90 darthstar

Okay, so maybe his plagiarism is a bit of a habit.

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93 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:38:39am

re: #87 lawhawk

They were trying to block it by suggesting the individual mandate was superior to the Clinton plan, but it wasn’t invented just for that particular debate - it predates the Clinton plan and health care push by more than three years. That means that the proposal was floating out there among GOPers for that time, and it was ultimately adopted by Romney in MA and the President for the entire US.

Now, it’s the GOP fighting against a proposal that they originally championed as a way of putting the onus on individuals to get health insurance coverages to reduce the burdens on everyone - from the individual who needs access to affordable insurance to hospitals who were going bankrupt due to indigent care and shifting care away from overburdened ERs where health care costs exceed those at urgent care and personal physicians, etc.

The big problem in their way now, however, is that their committing to total repeal rather than any attempts at reform. They have no replacement plan because the TPers won’t entertain the idea of government having any role in health care, and even if they could convince them of its necessity, can’t have their proposal in any way mimic the ACA for fear that the voters will demand why we went through repeal instead of reform. But by throwing out their own ideas with total repeal, they’re left with nothing but half-measures and outright lies in the hopes that they can convince people that some warped form of “trickle down” is the answer.

94 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:39:10am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

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Okay John C. Calhoun, Jr.

95 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:40:43am

re: #84 Sol Berdinowitz

I do not see what he is getting at, other than confirming the fact that humans are fallible and imperfect, and any law made by them is subject to those flaws and imperfections, either in conception or execution.

Coming from a “John Galt”, i would assume that it means that we should reject all laws and government and rule ourselves independently.

What a brilliant idea (for a fourteen-year-old)

96 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:40:57am

Wingnuts (via “Twitchy”) are all outraged by this stupid sign. It’s stupid, but how is it OBAMAZ FAULT!!!11!!!!!

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:42:50am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts (via “Twitchy”) are all outraged by this stupid sign. It’s stupid, but how is it OBAMAZ FAULT!!!11!!!!!

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That’s actually not even Math. That’s language and given that I have my birthyear in roman numerals tatted on my bicep, I can tell you that it would be otugh to get all those characters on that fabric.

98 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:44:14am

Let’s see, 2015 in Roman numerals would be MMXV.

You know how films always put the production date in Roman at the beginning?

99 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:44:32am

Well here’s hoping today we say good bye to Ken Cuccinelli’s political career. Sure, he’ll probably get a gig at FNC or your right wing propaganda outlet de jour but it’s looking like he won’t be Virginia’s governor and for that I will be grateful.

100 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:45:40am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts (via “Twitchy”) are all outraged by this stupid sign. It’s stupid, but how is it OBAMAZ FAULT!!!11!!!!!

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Idiots. MMXV. Couldn’t be easier, really. I looked it up (took 5 sec), since I didn’t take time to remember how to translate it into Roman numerals. : )

101 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:49:55am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Well here’s hoping today we say good bye to Ken Cuccinelli’s political career. Sure, he’ll probably get a gig at FNC or your right wing propaganda outlet de jour but it’s looking like he won’t be Virginia’s governor and for that I will be grateful.

Oh, you can be sure that Cucci will find ways to keep his name in politics. May not make another run at the governor’s mansion, but he’ll likely try again for higher office.

102 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:52:14am

Obdicut-This Page has an editorial that gets into the Patriot Act and how it (not just pen registers) made metadata collection allegedly legal. It’s more people that have examined the laws and seen this connection same as the ACLU did.

Sunset the Patriot Act and you probably end domestic metadata data gathering like the NSA has been doing.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:52:18am

re: #101 Targetpractice

Oh, you can be sure that Cucci will find ways to keep his name in politics. May not make another run at the governor’s mansion, but he’ll likely try again for higher office.

I gotta think should he lose, he’ll be the front-runner against Warner in 2014 or Kaine in 2018. He’s not an old guy by any means. By the way, we may have a changing of delegate from R to D here. The incumbent R got primaried for you guessed it not being right wing enough and the Dem running has run a smooth campaign here. Talked with one of the high school kids canvassing for her yesterday(Kids have the day off Monday and Tuesday).

104 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:54:17am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

I gotta think should he lose, he’ll be the front-runner against Warner in 2014 or Kaine in 2018. He’s not an old guy by any means. By the way, we may have a changing of delegate from R to D here. The incumbent R got primaried for you guessed it not being right wing enough and the Dem running has run a smooth campaign here. Talked with one of the high school kids canvassing for her yesterday(Kids have the day off Monday and Tuesday).

I’m curious to see if Rigell will end up getting primaried here. Haven’t heard anything yet, but there’s still time. And considering this district went blue last year, a fire-breathing TPer would be a very hard sell.

105 Lidane  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:55:09am

re: #102 Political Atheist

Obdicut-This Page has an editorial that gets into the Patriot Act and how it (not just pen registers) made metadata collection allegedly legal. It’s more people that have examined the laws and seen this connection same as the ACLU did.

Sunset the Patriot Act and you probably end domestic metadata data gathering like the NSA has been doing.

Sunsetting the Patriot Act will never happen. Post-9/11 hysteria gave the government expanded powers and they’re not going to give them up anytime soon. Also, any POTUS that pushes for getting rid of it will immediately be tarred and feathered as a traitor to America and an Al Qaeda supporter.

106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:57:31am

re: #104 Targetpractice

I’m curious to see if Rigell will end up getting primaried here. Haven’t heard anything yet, but there’s still time. And considering this district went blue last year, a fire-breathing TPer would be a very hard sell.

Hasn’t stopped them before from nominating firebaggers in blue/purple areas before. I’m sure the TP will find a “true conservative” to run against him.

107 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:57:49am

I always try to be charitable, and Twitter’s enforced brevity sometimes masks the full extent of a person’s thoughts.

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:58:09am

re: #105 Lidane

Sunsetting the Patriot Act will never happen. Post-9/11 hysteria gave the government expanded powers and they’re not going to give them up anytime soon. Also, any POTUS that pushes for getting rid of it will immediately be tarred and feathered as a traitor to America and an Al Qaeda supporter.

I would have said that any president who states he will not agree to another extension is pretty much painting a bullseye on his ass. Any terrorist activity, up to and including a major attack on US soil, would swiftly end his presidency.

109 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:58:27am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts (via “Twitchy”) are all outraged by this stupid sign. It’s stupid, but how is it OBAMAZ FAULT!!!11!!!!!

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Couldn’t possibly be a conscious choice to do something different besides just translating the number to Roman, could it?

The American Right: Because making fun of children is much more on their level.

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:58:39am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

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I always try to be charitable, and Twitter’s enforced brevity sometimes masks the full extent of a person’s thoughts.

I think you’re wasting time on an immature dumbass.

111 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:59:23am

Greenwald has his panties in a wad, again, after it’s revealed The Guardian shared documents w/names and info on them (although they deny it) w/the NYT and other publications, putting people in danger. At least he calls it what it really is—criminal.


This is an obvious attempt to paint himself, Miranda, and Poitras as innocents in this entire sleazy mess.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:00:09am

re: #109 GunstarGreen

Couldn’t possibly be a conscious choice to do something different besides just translating the number to Roman, could it?

The American Right: Because making fun of children is much more on their level.

That was my first reaction, that they deliberately translated the digits individually instead of writing it the “proper way”.
Kids just being goofy.

113 b.d.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:03:53am
CNN provided heavy coverage last week of the troubled introduction of the website tied to the Affordable Care Act. The result was the lowest weekly ratings for CNN in more than a year.

nytimes.com

Who would have thought of breathless breaking coverage of a bad website wouldn’t keep people’s interest?

114 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:04:28am

re: #72 kirkspencer

Herman Cain is an exception to both labels.

Herman Cain isn’t a libertarian. He just happens to be a shill for WSB Radio, which is an extreme right-wing station that’s too embarrassed to be associated with religion in Georgia (Less Gub’mint! No Sunday Sales!). He is whatever will keep the redneck rubes listening this week.

115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:06:24am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

I think you’re wasting time on an immature dumbass.

Maybe, and I don’t intend to continue the Twitter exchange. But I try to respond if someone is actually trying to make a point instead of flinging insults. I also have a serious need to have the last word, truth to tell.

116 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:06:56am

re: #102 Political Atheist

Sunset the Patriot Act and you probably end domestic metadata data gathering like the NSA has been doing.

Well, no, you may make it illegal but that does not mean the collection has stopped. See the FBI & Hoover, J. Edgar for more examples.

Even then, it still does nothing about corporate intelligence gathering, which I find far more threatening to our freedom than anything done by the government.

117 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:08:42am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

It’s true, all journalists are in prison. /

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:09:09am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

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I always try to be charitable, and Twitter’s enforced brevity sometimes masks the full extent of a person’s thoughts.

DF, if he’s got a galtian handle, he’s full blown radical anarchist masquerading as libertarian. There is no need to be charitable to him as he attempts to pull the wool over your (& anyone else’s he can) eyes.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:11:49am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

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I always try to be charitable, and Twitter’s enforced brevity sometimes masks the full extent of a person’s thoughts.

You remind me of why Twitter is pretty much useless for anything except letting friends know what they had for lunch

120 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:12:21am

BBL, interview

121 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:12:26am

re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz

You remind me of why Teitter is pretty much useless for anything except letting friends know what they had for lunch

Country-fried Ewok.

122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:13:59am

re: #121 Varek Raith

Country-fried Ewok.

Is that at Yoda’s diner?

123 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:14:27am

re: #121 Varek Raith

Country-fried Ewok.

I’ve heard that the new Shake-‘N-Bake for Ewok is particularly delicious. It’s favored by 9 out of 10 Imperial Stormtroopers.

124 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:14:31am

re: #109 GunstarGreen

Couldn’t possibly be a conscious choice to do something different besides just translating the number to Roman, could it?

The American Right: Because making fun of children is much more on their level.

Yeah, there’s definitely that too.

125 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:15:59am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

I’ve heard that the new Shake-‘N-Bake for Ewok is particularly delicious. It’s favored by 9 out of 10 Imperial Stormtroopers.

Have the tenth stormtroopers report to Hell Deck.

126 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:16:25am

Much speculation going on out there.

Britain operating ‘spy post from Berlin embassy’

Appears to be using high-tech equipment on the embassy roof to intercept German data

gulfnews.com

“Appears to be”, among other guessing.

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:17:51am

re: #123 Dr Lizardo

I’ve heard that the new Shake-‘N-Bake for Ewok is particularly delicious. It’s favored by 9 out of 10 Imperial Stormtroopers.

I wok my Ewoks…

128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:18:05am

These aren’t the cookies I’m looking for.

129 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:18:38am
130 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:20:13am

re: #55 RealityBasedSteve

Rest of the pics… Chrome is giving me fits this morning…

There were a number of attempts to build a propeller driven vehicle around this time frame, they were all uniformly unsuccessful in practice. Some of them were very fast in a straight line, but all suffered from the problem that since the ONLY propulsion was the propeller, they very quickly got stuck going up hills.

Leyat 02

Leyat 03

RBS

Looks like the bastard child of a 3-wheel Morgan and a Piper Cub.

131 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:24:44am

Offensive names, concussions, and a new example of throwing money and fame at immature adults at too early an age and looking past the obvious signs.

Our national bloodsport just isn’t getting any respect lately.

Don’t worry, it will all blow over soon.

132 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:24:51am

re: #130 GeneJockey

Looks like the bastard child of a 3-wheel Morgan and a Piper Cub.

That’s also when a lot of WWI surplus aero engines got into (wheel-driven) racecars and powerboats. New Liberties were sold for scrap weight.

133 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:25:22am

Oh, my. Defending Max Blumenthal against the evil Eric Alterman.


Unfortunately, GG neglects to link Alterman’s piece in The Nation.

The ‘I Hate Israel’ Handbook

Max Blumenthal’s carelessly constructed case against the Jewish state won’t help the occupation’s victims.

thenation.com

134 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:26:23am

re: #131 Tim TeaBro

Offensive names, concussions, and a new example of throwing money and fame at immature adults at too early an age and looking past the obvious signs.

Our national bloodsport just isn’t getting any respect lately.

Don’t worry, it will all blow over soon.

Turns out that when you pay thugs millions of dollars a year to slam into each other over and over again, you get thuggish behavior. WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS?!

135 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:32:05am
But this was Virginia Republican Party Chairman Pat Mullins’s version of the power of positive thinking in an interview this weekend. The path for star-crossed GOP gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli, Mullins said, looks like this: “If turnout is in the 30s, the low 30s, we’re gonna win. If it gets higher up in Fairfax [in Democratic-leaning Northern Virginia], say like 40, it’s likely we won’t. I don’t think it’s going to hit 40 anywhere. I’m looking at 32.”

politico.com

136 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:32:45am

re: #131 Tim TeaBro

Offensive names, concussions, and a new example of throwing money and fame at immature adults at too early an age and looking past the obvious signs.

Our national bloodsport just isn’t getting any respect lately.

Don’t worry, it will all blow over soon.

Incognito is bad news. He may have bullied himself straight out of the league, and it’s exactly what he deserves.

But someone on NY sports radio yesterday brought up a very good point - that the Dolphins didn’t initially do anything about this situation because this type of thing is probably pretty wide-spread around the league, and they only took action when Incognito’s voicemail became public.

This is going to be a big problem for the NFL.

137 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:33:15am

Mongo have the runs.

138 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:34:33am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

That’s also when a lot of WWI surplus aero engines got into (wheel-driven) racecars and powerboats. New Liberties were sold for scrap weight.

Some of the race cars between the wars were just nuts. Road&Track had a feature on one of them, the Napier Railton. It used a 12 cylinder ‘Broad Arrow’ aircraft engine with a 24 Liter displacement! The pistons were the size of gallon paint cans!

139 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:36:05am

re: #138 GeneJockey

Some of the race cars between the wars were just nuts. Road&Track had a feature on one of them, the Napier Railton. It used a 12 cylinder ‘Broad Arrow’ aircraft engine with a 24 Liter displacement! The pistons were the size of gallon paint cans!

“Aerodynamics is for people who can’t build engines”
—Nuvolari

140 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:37:38am

re: #136 makeitstop

It’s probably far more widespread than anyone cares to admit. Just last year, there was a hazing incident with the NY Giants involving a rookie Prince Amukamera and Jason Paul-Pierre.

Some folks may try to distinguish the two - with the situation in Miami being of a far more serious nature and involving more hateful behaviors, but there’s a whole lot in common between the events. You’ve got senior players taking advantage of younger ones, and it’s a power relationship involved where the veterans are hazing the rookies.

It goes beyond getting players to dress up in kids’ outfits or similar hijinks. We’re talking about physical altercations.

141 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:38:25am

re: #137 Gus

Mongo have the runs.

Mongo shouldn’t have had the beans like everyone else. But then again, Mongo just pawn in game of life.

142 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:38:41am

re: #121 Varek Raith

Country-fried Ewok.

Is liquid cardboard an ingredient in the white sauce?

143 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:38:50am

re: #130 GeneJockey

Looks like the bastard child of a 3-wheel Morgan and a Piper Cub.

I don’t think they have a Morgan, I’d have remembered that one, with the V-twin engine up in the front. Did have a number of other 3 wheeled cars however, and a BIG display of the various Mini-Cars over time.

RBS

144 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:40:09am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

This is an obvious attempt to paint himself, Miranda, and Poitras as innocents in this entire sleazy mess.

Forget the lives that are endangered; really, this is all about me.

/glenn

145 darthstar  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:43:05am
146 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:44:25am

re: #143 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t think they have a Morgan, I’d have remembered that one, with the V-twin engine up in the front. Did have a number of other 3 wheeled cars however, and a BIG display of the various Mini-Cars over time.

RBS

This is a three-wheeler, saw it at the Hemmings Museum in Bennington.

en.wikipedia.org

147 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:46:39am

re: #145 darthstar

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That’s a beautiful shot.

148 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:50:55am

re: #143 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t think they have a Morgan, I’d have remembered that one, with the V-twin engine up in the front. Did have a number of other 3 wheeled cars however, and a BIG display of the various Mini-Cars over time.

RBS

Apparently Morgan are making the 3-wheelers again.

Not sure I want one, but it makes me happy knowing somebody is bothering to make them.

149 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:51:20am

Dudebros protesting outside White House…

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150 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:51:26am

re: #145 darthstar

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HMB?

151 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:52:33am

Fuck you, Guy Fawkes.

152 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:53:57am

I’m seriously tempted to hop on metro and laugh at those guys at the WH.

153 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:55:15am

Every time I see those stupid masks I remember what a stupid fucking movie that was.

154 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:55:45am

“V” Guy Fawkes mask = Total Lack of Originality

155 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:56:39am
156 Lidane  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:57:17am
157 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:58:35am

re: #105 Lidane

Sunsetting the Patriot Act will never happen. Post-9/11 hysteria gave the government expanded powers and they’re not going to give them up anytime soon. Also, any POTUS that pushes for getting rid of it will immediately be tarred and feathered as a traitor to America and an Al Qaeda supporter.

Maybe so but not certain. -Don’t underestimate the blow back when someone big gets caught way out of line in the use of the metadata or something. It always happens sooner or later.

added edit-Do you support the Leahy bill?

158 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:00:59am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

159 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:04:47am

It just kills me that V was, in the vein of most of Moore’s work, an astoundingly deep and thought-provoking journey into the extremes between fascism and anarchy, with a narrator who is at best unreliable and at worst an absolute liar…and it gets turned into a 2 hour long “take that!” at George W. Bush.

160 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:04:50am

It’ll be interesting to see if NJ approves a ballot measure that would increase the minimum wage and allow for COLAs annually. There are ballot measures to expand state purchases of land for conservation to include blue purchases - to buy land from owners in flood zones and one that would let veterans groups run bingo operations. Figure the land purchases will pass, but not sure about the veterans groups and bingo ops.

Those ballot measures are the only real questions on statewide outcomes as Christie is heading to a major win.

161 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:05:18am

Is this a real church sign or a “Generate your own church sign meme”?

162 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:06:13am

re: #58 wheat-dogghazi

This may sound like a dumb question, but are there any libertarians who are not white and middle class? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

I’d also like to know the gender mix among libertarians. It certainly feels like male-dominated phenomenon.

163 Lidane  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:08:18am
164 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:08:55am

ieatgravel.com
Not sure…

165 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:10:21am

Putting Americans In Charge of their Healthcare
whitehouse.gov

166 jaunte  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:11:02am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Looks like it is a real place.
vbtak.org
Don’t know about the text of the sign.

167 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:12:59am

re: #165 MPH

If your policy was so shit that it didn’t meet the minimum requirements, well, it wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

168 Lidane  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:13:08am

Heh.

169 calochortus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:14:11am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Is this a real church sign or a “Generate your own church sign meme”?

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Shannyn Moore wrote a piece mentioning it in the Anchorage paper and I don’t see any comments saying it’s a fake, but then I didn’t read them all.

170 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:14:15am

re: #153 Tim TeaBro

Every time I see those stupid masks I remember what a stupid fucking movie that was.

Hey, now, it appealed to my 16 yr old grandson—as fantasy. I took him to see it, and thought it was pretty over the top.

Fantasy of middle aged man who snags much younger and distraught girl (16), alternatively sucking her into his anarchistic world and while simultaneously treating her as fragile (hammy performance by Natalie Portman). Exploiter and protector all in one? How quaint.

171 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:14:34am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Is this a real church sign or a “Generate your own church sign meme”?

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It’s a real church sign alright.

Organized religion has always been, is, and will always be nothing more than a tool by which to control the masses for the benefit of one’s political ideals. The two are inextricable, no matter how much our laws and their enforcers may pretend otherwise. A person does not need a pastor or preacher to tell them how to live their lives, only to tell them how to cast their vote, if they have a vote, or why they shouldn’t have a vote if they don’t.

172 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:16:35am

re: #167 Varek Raith

If your policy was so shit that it didn’t meet the minimum requirements, well, it wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

Americans have proven time and time again that they will gladly pay out the ass for the illusion of security as long as they don’t have to shell out the actual value for the real thing. It’s no different with health care.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:16:55am

re: #168 Lidane

Heh.

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Love Weird Al. Started listening to him again recently.

174 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:17:36am
175 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:17:58am

Just voted. Fairly long lines. Good sign. Cucci’s going down. And I have to say if the Libertarians want to be the third party they dream of becoming, they need to actually nominate people for other positions outside of governor.

176 calochortus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:18:17am

re: #165 MPH

I think health insurance should be uncoupled from employment.
Make everyone buy on the individual market. We’d have single payer so fast it would make your head spin.

177 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:18:23am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Is this a real church sign or a “Generate your own church sign meme”?

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Well my grandmother just said fuck you to them haha.

178 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:18:28am

re: #167 Varek Raith

If your policy was so shit that it didn’t meet the minimum requirements, well, it wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

I got into into it with that same libertarian again. This time I told him that health insurance that doesn’t cover hospitalization is not health insurance at all. He said, “MOST PEOPLE DON’T NEED HOSPITALIZATION!”

I pointed out that most people don’t need car insurance or life insurance or homeowners insurance either, but until he had a foolproof way of determining who would and would not need it, everyone needs it.

He was left muttering that Obama lied or something.

179 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:18:50am
180 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:19:44am

re: #166 jaunte

Looks like it is a real place.
vbtak.org
Don’t know about the text of the sign.

It’s out in Dumbfuck, Alaska. Maybe Caribou Barbie is a member.

181 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:19:54am

Speaking of Weird Al, Cavity Search from Bad Hair Day just went on my iTunes. I listened to this album quite a bit in ‘96. I still remember the day my best friend started talking about Amish Paradise.

182 calochortus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:19:58am

re: #178 GeneJockey

I got into into it with that same libertarian again. This time I told him that health insurance that doesn’t cover hospitalization is not health insurance at all. He said, “MOST PEOPLE DON’T NEED HOSPITALIZATION!”

I pointed out that most people don’t need car insurance or life insurance or homeowners insurance either, but until he had a foolproof way of determining who would and would not need it, everyone needs it.

He was left muttering that Obama lied or something.

And if we didn’t all buy it, it wouldn’t really be insurance, now would it?

183 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:20:15am

re: #167 Varek Raith

If your policy was so shit that it didn’t meet the minimum requirements, well, it wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

184 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:20:31am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

It’s out in Dumbfuck, Alaska. Maybe Caribou Barbie is a member.

Nah, Baptists are too mainstream for her. She’s in one of those way out there Pentecostal like churches.

185 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:20:37am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Weird Al, Cavity Search from Bad Hair Day just went on my iTunes. I listened to this album quite a bit in ‘96. I still remember the day my best friend started talking about Amish Paradise.

My favorite Weird Al song is “Genius in France”

186 calochortus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:11am

re: #183 MPH

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

Sad that he won’t get that third term, isn’t it?

187 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:15am

re: #183 MPH

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

Yeah, he is so totally going to lose in 2016!

188 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:24am

Rand “It’s Still Not My Fault” Paul on plagiarism charges. Blame the underlings.

Rand Paul to clean up speeches, writings

politico.com

The internet is forever, though.

189 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:35am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

My favorite Weird Al song is “Genius in France”

I always liked Amish Paradise. That year was the year he(my pal) moved to Boston and later Texas. So it was our last summer really hanging out together daily.

190 CarolJ  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:57am

re: #157 Political Atheist

But that would be nibbling around the edges reform. Increase oversight, punish the folks responsible for the abuse, a few millions in settlement money, reform the relevant statute. But unless the world gets a lot safer, the core legislation will remain

191 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:21:59am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Just voted. Fairly long lines. Good sign. Cucci’s going down. And I have to say if the Libertarians want to be the third party they dream of becoming, they need to actually nominate people for other positions outside of governor.

They won’t. It’s a tiny political sect.

192 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:22:02am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Rand “It’s Still Not My Fault” Paul on plagiarism charges. Blame the underlings.

Rand Paul to clean up speeches, writings

politico.com

The internet is forever, though.

Like father, like son, person responsibility for thee but not for me at all.

193 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:22:16am
194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:22:53am

re: #191 Justanotherhuman

They won’t. It’s a tiny political sect.

I don’t disagree at all since they’re too purer than thou for their own good.

195 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:23:24am

re: #183 MPH

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

Well, there go his reelection chances.

///

196 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:24:01am

Estómago

197 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:24:27am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

The footnote police are after me~!!!111

198 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:25:09am
199 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:25:34am

re: #183 MPH

Your concern is noted.
Now, what is the GOP alternative?
Oh, right. They don’t have one. They don’t care about the uninsured.

200 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:26:46am

I didn’t realize that Obersham(Virginia GOP candidate for AG) was the son of the Republican senate candidate who died in a plane crash not long after he was nominated. That’s why John Warner ended up getting nominated by the way. He had been runner up to the older Obersham. I hope voters did their homework on this guy. He’s just as nutty as Cuccinelli and Jackson are- sponsored a bill to get the cops involved in miscarriages and then the dick uses his daughter to say “See ladies, I don’t hate women, I have a lovely daughter.”

201 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:27:23am

re: #183 MPH

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

Yeah, he’ll never be reelected.

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:27:26am

re: #198 Gus

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Well screw it, I’m off to Bora Bora.

203 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:27:29am
204 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:27:42am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Well screw it, I’m off to Bora Bora.

Always!

205 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:28:00am

Pago Pago

206 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:29:02am

Really, if you don’t mind, I’d watch out for the frills.

and how are you today?

207 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:29:26am
That Guy whose face Anon wear on their masks, was a theocrat who wanted to bring Inquisition to England.

Is it irony that the mask representing the dude who wanted to blow up Parliament is worn by people who want to blow up current governments?

Not to mention, Fawkes engaged in a plot to install a Catholic head of state because they didn’t like how Catholics were treated.

208 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:29:33am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Rand “It’s Still Not My Fault” Paul on plagiarism charges. Blame the underlings.

Rand Paul to clean up speeches, writings

politico.com

The internet is forever, though.

The party of Personal Responsibility™, as long as it’s not their own.

209 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:29:42am

re: #205 Gus

Pago Pago

Walla Walla

210 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:30:32am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

Walla Walla

New York, New York

RBS

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:30:36am

re: #207 Tim TeaBro

Is it irony that the mask representing the dude who wanted to blow up Parliament is worn by people who want to blow up current governments?

Yeah, they get that part.

Not to mention, Fawkes engaged in a plot to install a Catholic head of state because they didn’t like how Catholics were treated.

That’s the part they don’t get.

212 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:30:39am

Hahaha, White & Nerdy

Youtube Video

213 CarolJ  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:31:00am

re: #198 Gus

It’s one of the pictures that makes you wonder-“how do they do that?” I mean keeping the tables steady in the water.

I know it must be pretty warm water there on that beach, warm enough that the people sitting at the tables don’t catch cold while they are dining, and the people who follow them don’t mind getting wet. I also wonder, what’s on the menu at a place like this?

214 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:31:58am

re: #212 Justanotherhuman

Hahaha, White & Nerdy

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Youtube Video

215 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:32:06am

re: #170 Justanotherhuman

Hey, now, it appealed to my 16 yr old grandson—as fantasy. I took him to see it, and thought it was pretty over the top.

Fantasy of middle aged man who snags much younger and distraught girl (16), alternatively sucking her into his anarchistic world and while simultaneously treating her as fragile (hammy performance by Natalie Portman). Exploiter and protector all in one? How quaint.

It was one of those movies that started great… and towards the end I was looking at my watch thinking ‘When is the damn movie going to end?’

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:32:11am

re: #213 CarolJ

It’s one of the pictures that makes you wonder-“how do they do that?” I mean keeping the tables steady in the water.

I know it must be pretty warm water there on that beach, warm enough that the people sitting at the tables don’t catch cold while they are dining, and the people who follow them don’t mind getting wet. I also wonder, what’s on the menu at a place like this?

I imagine a lot of good seafood which adds to the fly me out aspect.

217 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:32:12am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

Walla Walla

Bora Bora, French Polynesia
Pago Pago, American Samoa
Paw Paw, West Virginia, USA
Puka Puka, French Polynesia (Tuamotu archipelago)
Puka Puka, Cook Islands
Wagga Wagga, Australia
Walla Walla, Washington, USA
Woywoy, Australia
Xai Xai, Mozambique
Zam Zam, Sudan

218 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:32:57am

re: #213 CarolJ

It’s one of the pictures that makes you wonder-“how do they do that?” I mean keeping the tables steady in the water.

I know it must be pretty warm water there on that beach, warm enough that the people sitting at the tables don’t catch cold while they are dining, and the people who follow them don’t mind getting wet. I also wonder, what’s on the menu at a place like this?

Good lamination.

219 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:33:33am

re: #199 Varek Raith

Your concern is noted.
Now, what is the GOP alternative?
Oh, right. They don’t have one. They don’t care about the uninsured.

They’ll have one that is nearly identical to the ACA once they are re-elected. Nearly identical —except any concern for women’s health will be omitted.

220 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:33:48am

re: #217 Gus

Bora Bora, French Polynesia
Pago Pago, American Samoa
Paw Paw, West Virginia, USA
Puka Puka, French Polynesia (Tuamotu archipelago)
Puka Puka, Cook Islands
Wagga Wagga, Australia
Walla Walla, Washington, USA
Woywoy, Australia
Xai Xai, Mozambique
Zam Zam, Sudan

You missed Wiki Wiki: the bus from the Inter Island terminal to the Mainland/International Terminal at Honolulu Int Airport.

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:34:44am

re: #220 Tim TeaBro

You missed Wiki Wiki: the bus from the Inter Island terminal to the Mainland/International Terminal at Honolulu Int Airport.

and Baden-Baden in Germany

222 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:34:49am

re: #213 CarolJ

It’s one of the pictures that makes you wonder-“how do they do that?” I mean keeping the tables steady in the water.

I know it must be pretty warm water there on that beach, warm enough that the people sitting at the tables don’t catch cold while they are dining, and the people who follow them don’t mind getting wet. I also wonder, what’s on the menu at a place like this?

Tourist.

Image: Jump-the-Shark.jpg

223 piratedan  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:35:55am

re: #183 MPH

Perhaps you are right. Not going to argue on that point.

But there is something else not worth the paper it was written on — President Obama’s word.

You do understand this president is finished, right? Obamacare was his great (Pyrrhic) victory.

yeah, the public being misinformed is totally on the President, he should have held the media’s feet to the fire in regards to informing the public about what the ACA covers, and who could have known that the insurance companies wouldn’t act in good faith in regards to trying to keep their clients and still find a way to stick it to them with policies that aren’t cost effective or informing them about the marketplace?

224 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:36:04am

re: #171 GunstarGreen

It’s a real church sign alright.

Organized religion has always been, is, and will always be nothing more than a tool by which to control the masses for the benefit of one’s political ideals. The two are inextricable, no matter how much our laws and their enforcers may pretend otherwise. A person does not need a pastor or preacher to tell them how to live their lives, only to tell them how to cast their vote, if they have a vote, or why they shouldn’t have a vote if they don’t.

Wait, you mean when David Barton tells me that Jesus opposes net neutrality and increases in the capital gains tax, he might not actually be speaking for Jesus, but for himself? I’M SHOCKED!

225 Mattand  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:37:00am

re: #199 Varek Raith

Your concern is noted.
Now, what is the GOP alternative?
Oh, right. They don’t have one. They don’t care about the uninsured.

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that MPH hasn’t bothered to look up what’s available for him on the exchange.

226 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:37:38am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Well screw it, I’m off to Bora Bora.

That’s where the fiancee and I hope to spend the honeymoon.

227 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:37:45am
228 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:37:58am
229 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:39:02am
230 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:39:18am

re: #227 Gus

tongaroom.com

Mango Glazed Mahi Mahi sounds delicious.

231 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:39:22am

Things I didn’t know… Paula Abdul is Jewish? She’s apparently getting her bat mitzvah in Israel. Originally scheduled to do it at the Western Wall, she’s instead going to have it up in Tzvat.

232 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:39:24am

re: #224 Ian G.

Wait, you mean when David Barton tells me that Jesus opposes net neutrality and increases in the capital gains tax, he might not actually be speaking for Jesus, but for himself? I’M SHOCKED!

Surprisingly enough, God always happens to agree 100% with the political views/ambitions of the person invoking him/her/it.

233 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:40:24am

re: #217 Gus

Bora Bora, French Polynesia
Pago Pago, American Samoa
Paw Paw, West Virginia, USA
Puka Puka, French Polynesia (Tuamotu archipelago)
Puka Puka, Cook Islands
Wagga Wagga, Australia
Walla Walla, Washington, USA
Woywoy, Australia
Xai Xai, Mozambique
Zam Zam, Sudan

My ex-wife thought Walla Walla, Washington was a made-up place name. Like Cucamonga, California. Her surprise when I took her to both places was quite something.

234 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:40:42am

Topanga Canyon

235 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:40:44am

re: #231 lawhawk

Things I didn’t know… Paula Abdul is Jewish? She’s apparently getting her bat mitzvah in Israel. Originally scheduled to do it at the Western Wall, she’s instead going to have it up in Tzvat.

Tzefat is where all the Kabbalah-kooks go. NTTAWWT (my daughter and son-in-law own a tourist rental there)

236 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:41:22am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

My ex-wife thought Walla Walla, Washington was a made-up place name. Like Cucamonga, California. Her surprise when I took her to both places was quite something.

Were you in Europe when you were still with her? Because I hear Fucking, Austria is romantic. (pow)

237 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:42:13am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Tzefat is where all the Kabbalah-kooks go. NTTAWWT (my daughter and son-in-law own a tourist rental there)

What is it with the Kabbalah. I admit to never researching it. All I know is that Madonna is all into it and therefore, I’m not that interested.

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:42:22am

Dildo, Newfoundland.
Intercourse, Pennsylvania
The mountain west has some funny ones as seen in the Beavis and Butthead Do America montage when they’re traveling with the nuns.

239 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:42:44am

I’m shocked here.
My dad voted for Terry.

240 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:45:13am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Dildo, Newfoundland.
Intercourse, Pennsylvania
The mountain west has some funny ones as seen in the Beavis and Butthead Do America montage when they’re traveling with the nuns.

Coxsackie, New York.

And the towns from B&B include Butte and Weippie, Idaho, and Baggs and Meeteetse, Wyoming.

And nothing will ever beat this town’s name.

Edit: HappyWarrior beat me to it.

241 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:45:18am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Were you in Europe when you were still with her? Because I hear Fucking, Austria is romantic. (pow)

Heh. Yeah, I was in Europe when we were together. We’ve been to Fucking, Austria; that was her idea. :)

242 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:45:30am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

What is it with the Kabbalah. I admit to never researching it. All I know is that Madonna is all into it and therefore, I’m not that interested.

Kabbalah is some arcane books of Judaic lore. According to legend someone who is an expert in Kabbalah can learn SEEKRIT MAGICKAL POWERS to build a golem & stuff.

The dupes who are into “Kabbalah” just learn a bunch of old legends (some of which are sexy) but they don’t learn how to build a golem.

243 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:45:50am

re: #240 Ian G.

Coxsackie, New York.

And the towns from B&B include Butte and Weippie, Idaho, and Baggs and Meeteetse, Wyoming.

And nothing will ever beat this town’s name.

Hell, Michigan.

244 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:15am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

Hell, Michigan.

Regularly freezes over.

245 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:19am

re: #240 Ian G.

Coxsackie, New York.

And the towns from B&B include Butte and Weippie, Idaho, and Baggs and Meeteetse, Wyoming.

And nothing will ever beat this town’s name.

…Moving there now.

246 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:27am

The best is when Wierd Al did his hair like Snoop Dog.

247 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:36am

re: #190 CarolJ

But that would be nibbling around the edges reform. Increase oversight, punish the folks responsible for the abuse, a few millions in settlement money, reform the relevant statute. But unless the world gets a lot safer, the core legislation will remain

You mean the Sensebrenner/Leahy bill not sunsetting the PA I take it. I’ll take it as steps in the right direction, same as I welcome Obamas increased oversight. Not far enough but it’s better than nothing.

248 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:52am

Lol

Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

249 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:46:53am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

Regularly freezes over.

Still, I thought maybe it was just slushy now.

250 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:47:50am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

Hell, Michigan.

There’s this beautiful arch railroad bridge in New York called the Hell Gate Bridge. What a name. Apparently (like so much here in NYC), it’s a Dutch name that translates into “beautiful strait”, rather than the gates of hell.

251 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:48:32am
252 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:49:53am

Fucking Austria also brews a pale ale (helles Pils), marketed under the name Fucking Hell

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:50:26am

How about a vacation visit to Sing Sing? (name has since been changed)

254 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:50:39am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Yeah, I was in Europe when we were together. We’ve been to Fucking, Austria; that was her idea. :)

Heh I won’t ask for deets lol. I was however when I was in Vienna in a part of Austria where a lot of fucking goes on(Hotel was in the red-light district, great job community college tour leader!) I loved Austria though. Met a Slovak bartender who loved the fact I was part Slovak so she gave me and the roommate on the house shots of Jager and we made small talk. I wish I remembered the name of the place because it was a nice little dive.

255 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:50:41am

Spuyten Duyvil, The Bronx.

Formerly known as Weekquaeskeek.

In 1642, Anthony Van Corlaer died while attempting to swim across the Hudson from Spuyten Duyvil. A witness to Van Corlaer’s death stated that “the devil” in the shape of a giant fish swam up and proceeded to “seize the sturdy Antony by the leg and drag him beneath the waves.”[2] This may be the earliest recorded shark attack in the New World.[2]

256 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:51:53am

re: #252 Sol Berdinowitz

Fucking Austria also brews a pale ale (helles Pils), marketed under the name Fucking Hell

Shit, I’d try that just to get the bottle for my mancave. I have a bottle of “Duff beer” too and a Jug that looks like it held moonshine. Both weren’t really memorable in taste but still neat.

257 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:52:36am

re: #242 Vicious Babushka

Kabbalat Shabbat incorporates some of the Kabbalist prayers into the service welcoming the Shabbat.

Kooks have given it a real bad name, but Tzvat is real pretty and worth a visit for the historical significance of being a center for Jewish learning that survived for centuries with all the turmoil in Jewish communities elsewhere being uprooted or forced out or overrun by wars (and surviving numerous earthquakes as well).

258 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:52:59am
259 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:53:39am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Shit, I’d try that just to get the bottle for my mancave. I have a bottle of “Duff beer” too and a Jug that looks like it held moonshine. Both weren’t really memorable in taste but still neat.

Then you will want to ad a bottle of this here wine as well

260 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:54:48am

Oprah. Uma.

261 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:54:56am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

A few miles from here:

Two Egg, FL

twoeggfla.com

262 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:55:14am

Boutros Boutros-Ghali

263 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:55:48am
264 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:55:49am

re: #257 lawhawk

Kabbalat Shabbat incorporates some of the Kabbalist prayers into the service welcoming the Shabbat.

Kooks have given it a real bad name, but Tzvat is real pretty and worth a visit for the historical significance of being a center for Jewish learning that survived for centuries with all the turmoil in Jewish communities elsewhere being uprooted or forced out or overrun by wars (and surviving numerous earthquakes as well).

My daughter lived in Tzefat for 8 years, had a really beautiful house which they now rent out to tourists. They live in Jerusalem now.

265 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:57:25am

Oh look, Wikipedia even has a list.

en.wikipedia.org

266 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:58:11am

re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh look, Wikipedia even has a list.

en.wikipedia.org

Dum Dum, West Bengal, India

267 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:58:33am
268 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:59:04am

re: #266 Gus

Dum Dum, West Bengal, India

IIRC, they did make munitions there.

269 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 8:59:24am

re: #262 Gus

Boutros Boutros-Ghali

Sirhan Sirhan.

270 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:00:16am

re: #268 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, they did make munitions there.

Image: Dum_Dum_Rail_station.jpg

271 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:00:49am

re: #240 Ian G.

Coxsackie, New York.

And the towns from B&B include Butte and Weippie, Idaho, and Baggs and Meeteetse, Wyoming.

And nothing will ever beat this town’s name.

Edit: HappyWarrior beat me to it.

“For the British, it’s all about Fucking.”

272 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:00:58am

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

Ossening NY - the prison name was a play on words. re: #264 Vicious Babushka

Hmmm….. the Mrs. missed out on seeing the Golan and Tzvat when we were there for our anniversary. Next time we go, we’re going to spend a few days up north. I had been thinking of staying in Kibbutz Lavi, but will keep this tidbit in mind.

273 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:01:00am

re: #269 wrenchwench

Sirhan Sirhan.

Johnson and Johnson //

274 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:01:16am

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

Aw Phuket!

275 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:01:54am
276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:02:17am

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

9 Elections To Watch

Va AG is definitely going to be interesting. And honestly the Dem running for AG here is the guy on the ticket I like the most. Herring is the state senator just east of here and I know he helped a lot with stuff that involved my then community college.

277 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:02:18am

re: #275 Gus

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Rofl.

278 jaunte  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:02:49am

Ngorongoro.

279 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:02:54am

re: #275 Gus

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Just like a giraffe and koala are. And despite what FR believes, Christianity and Islam have a ton in common.

280 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:03:11am

Barack Obama: He’s everything we hate.

281 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:04:12am

re: #272 lawhawk

Ossening NY - the prison name was a play on words.

Hmmm….. the Mrs. missed out on seeing the Golan and Tzvat when we were there for our anniversary. Next time we go, we’re going to spend a few days up north. I had been thinking of staying in Kibbutz Lavi, but will keep this tidbit in mind.

She said they are already booked up for a year.

282 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:04:17am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

And if you didn’t hate something before, by Obama taking a given position, you’ve identified what to hate making your hate options so much easier. /

283 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:04:37am

re: #275 Gus

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Yup. That’s why you see Sam Harris and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad embracing each other at rallies all the time.

What a maroon.

284 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:04:39am

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

It wont be for a while… but that’s good to know.

285 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:05:10am

re: #282 lawhawk

And if you didn’t hate something before, by Obama taking a given position, you’ve identified what to hate making your hate options so much easier. /

See, healthy eating.

286 jaunte  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:06:09am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Children hate being told to eat their vegetables, because freedom.

287 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:06:14am

re: #283 Ian G.

Yup. That’s why you see Sam Harris and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad embracing each other at rallies all the time.

What a maroon.

I have it on good authority that the Ayatollah and Christopher Hitchens went to the same pub. Amazing drinking contests they had.

288 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:06:17am

DERP
It’s not an “Anti-Christian” law you Doofus, unless you define “Christian” as “Discriminating Against LGBT People”

289 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:07:21am

Which Matt Barber totally does (defines “Christianity” as being a douche to gays as well as women)

290 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:07:52am

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

DERP
It’s not an “Anti-Christian” law you Doofus, unless you define “Christian” as “Discriminating Against LGBT People”

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Well I am glad Matt has come out of the closet so to speak in the fact he’s admitting that his vision of Christianity includes discriminating against people because they’re gay. Well done old chap.

291 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:08:13am

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

DERP
It’s not an “Anti-Christian” law you Doofus, unless you define “Christian” as “Discriminating Against LGBT People”

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“Anti-Christian,” aka making it unlawful to promote bigotry in the name of religion.

292 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:09:31am

Sorry if this is a repeat but, from the NYT via Sully is this—

The woman, a thin 61-year-old who refused to give her name, citing privacy concerns, had come to the public library here to sign up for health insurance through Kentucky’s new online exchange. She had a painful lump on the back of her hand and other health problems that worried her deeply, she said, but had been unable to afford insurance as a home health care worker who earns $9 an hour.

Within a minute, the system checked her information and flashed its conclusion on Ms. Cauley’s laptop: eligible for Medicaid. The woman began to weep with relief. Without insurance, she said as she left, “it’s cheaper to die.”

But Obamacare/Medicaid expansion is Hitlerian totalitarianism. //

293 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:09:59am

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

DERP
It’s not an “Anti-Christian” law you Doofus, unless you define “Christian” as “Discriminating Against LGBT People”

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They absolutely do.

Any time you hear the phrases “Anti-Christian” or “Religious Freedom”, it’s because a bible-thumper’s ‘right’ to be an unashamed asshole to their fellow citizens is being threatened. They firmly believe that the United States was intended to be a theocracy, and that Separation of Church and State means that the state cannot tell the church what it can or can’t do under any circumstance.

294 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:10:50am

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

What good is Christ’s resurrection if teh gay can still be accepted??!!!!1

295 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:10:59am

re: #293 GunstarGreen

They absolutely do.

Any time you hear the phrases “Anti-Christian” or “Religious Freedom”, it’s because a bible-thumper’s ‘right’ to be an unashamed asshole to their fellow citizens is being threatened. They firmly believe that the United States was intended to be a theocracy, and that Separation of Church and State means that the state cannot tell the church what it can or can’t do under any circumstance.

All you have to do is read Bryan Fischer’s or Matt Barber’s Tweets to verify this.

296 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:11:16am

re: #275 Gus

Obama is no Atheist, he is a Muslim.

Which is practically the same thing.

This tweet is quite a window into the conservative mind…

297 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:11:50am

re: #292 Bulworth

Sorry if this is a repeat but, from the NYT via Sully is this—

But Obamacare/Medicaid expansion is Hitlerian totalitarianism. //

This is just like the time Hitlerhelped someone get more affordable health insurance massacred 6 million Jews because of pure hatred. Yep ACA is straight out of the Nazi playbook because when you think of Hitler,and the Nazis, you think of them making health insurance more affordable for all Germans regardless of ethnic and religious background not the whole genocide thing.

298 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:13:02am

Remember. FreeRepublic.txt just quotes the Freepers like we do here sometimes.

299 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:13:24am

re: #296 Sol Berdinowitz

This tweet is quite a window into the conservative mind…

And quite a vacuum in there, too.

300 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:14:09am
301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:14:12am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

All you have to do is read Bryan Fischer’s or Matt Barber’s Tweets to verify this.

Fischer I have noticed from the many tweets of him I see has never once talked about Christian charity. My grandfather was not a wealthy man but he still gave a lot of his money to a charity that helped kids with Downs. He also was always willing to give a toy to a friendly grocery store worker he knew had a young child. He had his prejudices but he also didn’t let them define him. Bryan and Matt meanwhile all they live for is hating gays.

302 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:16:06am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Bryan and Matt meanwhile all they live for is hating gays.

You do not understand his message: once we have banished gayness and promiscuity from our society, there will be no more poverty because our nation will again be blessed by The Lord.

303 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:16:58am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Fischer I have noticed from the many tweets of him I see has never once talked about Christian charity. My grandfather was not a wealthy man but he still gave a lot of his money to a charity that helped kids with Downs. He also was always willing to give a toy to a friendly grocery store worker he knew had a young child. He had his prejudices but he also didn’t let them define him. Bryan and Matt meanwhile all they live for is hating gays.

The New Christian Dogma is that giving is no different from enabling. We can’t go making people dependent. Rather let them starve then lead them down that path.

304 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:16:59am

Duran Duran

305 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:17:47am

re: #302 Sol Berdinowitz

You do not understand his message: once we have banished gayness and promiscuity from our society, there will be no more poverty because our nation will again be blessed by The Lord.

Poverty is a natural state, we can’t go messing with G-d’s plan. Life was made for suffering.

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:17:48am

re: #302 Sol Berdinowitz

You do not understand his message: once we have banished gayness and promiscuity from our society, there will be no more poverty because our nation will again be blessed by The Lord.

They’ll find a new target. Could be Jews, Muslims, Atheists, or even other Christians like Catholics, Lutherans, and mainline Protestants who don’t subscribe to their fundaemntalist world view. That’s the thing about these sobs. There’s always a new scapegoat.

307 jaunte  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:18:25am

re: #304 Gus

Saw them in Walla Walla.
Show was so so.

308 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:19:28am

re: #304 Gus

Electric Barbarella!

Youtube Video

309 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:19:29am
310 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:19:39am

So Mtit Romney says Obamacare is “rotting” Obama’s second term. Tell that to the people who are getting insurance or lower premiums you fucking prick. I know you’re a bitter man Mitt but please go away and enjoy your grandchildren and leave the rest of us alone.

311 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:21:05am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

They’ll find a new target. Could be Jews, Muslims, Atheists, or even other Christians like Catholics, Lutherans, and mainline Protestants who don’t subscribe to their fundaemntalist world view. That’s the thing about these sobs. There’s always a new scapegoat.

Exactly! As a female, brown-eyed, brown-haired, German-Irish decent, raised RC person, I tend to remember that even in American South of the past, I could have been a target. Or NYC or any number of places immigrants and different people were targeted.

312 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:22:15am

I think I found a Republican who outdoes Ken Cuccinelli even and like Cucci, he too has a shot at winning. Yeah Dean because Gays only live in Vermont and California. Dude sounds just like Ahmadinjad but honestly I think he’s worse given he’s one of our own.
talkingpointsmemo.com

313 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:23:39am

Breitbartians are trying to keep hope alive by suggesting that low early voter turnout in Northern Virginia is a good sign. Obviously the writers there have never held a government job.

314 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:24:01am

re: #311 FemNaziBitch

Exactly! As a female, brown-eyed, brown-haired, German-Irish decent, raised RC person, I tend to remember that even in American South of the past, I could have been a target. Or NYC or any number of places immigrants and different people were targeted.

Precisely. These people have pretty hostility to anyone who’s not a male Evangelical Protestant or if they’re Catholic or Lutheran, they have to be like Santorum or Bachmann.

315 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:24:16am

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

The best is when Wierd Al did his hair like Snoop Dog.

Snoop, or Coolio?

316 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:24:56am

re: #313 Targetpractice

Breitbartians are trying to keep hope alive by suggesting that low early voter turnout in Northern Virginia is a good sign. Obviously the writers there have never held a government job.

Precisely. But let them get delusional. It will make Cuccinelli’s defeat all the more great.

317 Mattand  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:25:16am

re: #292 Bulworth

Sorry if this is a repeat but, from the NYT via Sully is this—

But Obamacare/Medicaid expansion is Hitlerian totalitarianism. //

This is also known as “A story you will never, ever see on CNN”.

318 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:27:30am

re: #315 makeitstop

Snoop, or Coolio?

It was Coolio. Coolio apparently thought his street rep went down when Al covered Gangsta’s Paradise which is why he lied about having given Al permission to cover the song. Al apparently by law does not have to ask to cover but he does it anyhow out of common courtesy which I think is really cool on Al’s part since some songs he has asked to cover have a very personal importance to the songwriter in question. I remember reading though that Kurt Cobain knew Nirvana had made it when Al spoofed them and it’s a wonderful cover because while I love Smells Like Teen Spirit, I still ask my self” What do these lyrics even mean??

319 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Fischer I have noticed from the many tweets of him I see has never once talked about Christian charity. My grandfather was not a wealthy man but he still gave a lot of his money to a charity that helped kids with Downs. He also was always willing to give a toy to a friendly grocery store worker he knew had a young child. He had his prejudices but he also didn’t let them define him. Bryan and Matt meanwhile all they live for is hating gays.

Bryan has said that church soup kitchens should replace the SNAP program, that way guys like him can dole out the gruel and slut-shame the unmarried mothers with their little bastards.

320 jaunte  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:27:59am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

…in which the candidate suggested gays must have moved to Alabama from other areas since they’re not native to the state…

Yet another example of the required denial of reality conservatives must engage in to remain relevant to other conservative fantasists.

321 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:28:35am

re: #317 Mattand

This is also known as “A story you will never, ever see on CNN”.

CNN would have a right wing washed up celebrity to talk about how bad ACA is before they would do that. Hell right now they’re focused with some front page bs about how Obama said something different then and different in the past. They’re not calling out the Republicans who claimed this legislation would be tyrannical at all.

322 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:29:03am

re: #307 jaunte

Saw them in Walla Walla.
Show was so so.

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323 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:29:23am

turns out yesterdays “earthquake” in South Chicagoland was actually a quarry blast. Local news radio said it measured 3.5 on the richter scale.

It was weird who felt it and who didn’t. People to the East and West of me did and I didn’t.

324 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:29:59am

re: #320 jaunte

Yet another example of the required denial of reality conservatives must engage in to remain relevant to other conservative fantasists.

Yep, it’s not enough to hate gays. You have to act like they somehow invaded your state. Is it wonder that kids get bullied in school more down there? I mean I can only imagine what kind of hatred these kids are learning from home.

325 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:31:20am

re: #315 makeitstop

Snoop, or Coolio?

It was Snoop Dog. He had has hair braided and wired up to go in all directions like Snoop.

326 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:31:43am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

Bryan has said that church soup kitchens should replace the SNAP program, that way guys like him can dole out the gruel and slut-shame the unmarried mothers with their little bastards.

Ah the old church charity is better than government scam.

327 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:32:49am

K-Mart to open at 6 in the morning…on Thanksgiving.

Because, fuck family holidays, that’s why!

328 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:32:56am

re: #325 FemNaziBitch

It was Snoop Dog. He had has hair braided and wired up to go in all directions like Snoop.

It must have been both then because he clearly is spoofing Coolio on the cover of Bad Hair DAy
.google.com

329 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:33:14am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

K-Mart to open at 6 in the morning…on Thanksgiving.

Because, fuck family holidays, that’s why!

Family values…….

330 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:33:34am
331 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:33:57am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

K-Mart to open at 6 in the morning…on Thanksgiving.

Because, fuck family holidays, that’s why!

Kmart vs. Forced Family Fun?

Kmart wins hands down!

332 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:35:22am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

Bryan has said that church soup kitchens should replace the SNAP program, that way guys like him can dole out the gruel and slut-shame the unmarried mothers with their little bastards.

Despite the fantasy land Bryan lives in, the reality is that many churches are unable or (if you can believe it) unwilling to provide such assistance. My MIL needed help paying her light bill during the winter in Pennsylvania. She went to a number of churches and not one would offer her any help.

In addition, many church outreaches and charitable efforts are stretched thin because of the increased need since the recession. At the church I go to, we haven’t been able to keep our food pantry even close to full because the need is so high.

Churches just don’t have the resources government does.

333 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:36:04am

re: #320 jaunte

Yet another example of the required denial of reality conservatives must engage in to remain relevant to other conservative fantasists.

In a parody of Ahmadinejad?

334 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:36:53am

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

Scientists finally admit H1N1 vaccine causes increased risk of Guillain-Barre syndrome

Truth or Propaganda?

Propaganda. Natural News is big into holistic medicine derp.

335 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:37:35am

Booze leads to crack cocaine!

336 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:37:54am

This will make Glenn Greenwald’s head explode:

New face scanning billboards debut in the UK

Shoppers at discount store Tesco in the U.K. might get the unnerving feeling that someone is watching them. Something is. The chain is using sophisticated software to identify customers and beam ads at them. No, not by name: by demographic.

The software from a British company called Amscan can scan a person’s appearance and tell whether they’re a 50-year-old woman or a 20-year-old man. It does this based on visual cues that are proprietary and highly creepy.

In the example provided in a Businessweek article on the software, this pair might be captured on camera while putting gas petrol in their SUV two-door hatchback. When it’s midmorning, the middle-aged woman is more likely to buy coffee if it’s advertised to her; the young man might prefer a soda or energy drink. The system serves up ads to them accordingly on the gas pump screens.

337 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:38:01am

re: #334 Ian G.

Propaganda. Natural News is big into holistic medicine derp.

I need links. A friend on fb posted this.

338 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:38:28am

Apparently I missed the real doozy in Crazy Uncle Liberty’s remarks yesterday. The guy whose name is synonymous with “independent” voters, the guy who libertarians like to boast they’d vote for if he ever were on a presidential ballot…told folks at a rally here in VA yesterday that you’d have to be “insane” to vote for anybody but the establishment candidate.

339 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:38:36am

re: #335 Gus

Booze leads to crack cocaine!

the original gateway drugs —sugar and water.

340 blueraven  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:38:46am

Breaking: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford admits smoking crack

341 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:39:29am

re: #332 Eclectic Cyborg

Despite the fantasy land Bryan lives in, the reality is that many churches are unable or (if you can believe it) unwilling to provide such assistance. My MIL needed help paying her light bill during the winter in Pennsylvania. She went to a number of churches and not one would offer her any help.

In addition, many church outreaches and charitable efforts are stretched thin because of the increased need since the recession. At the church I go to, we haven’t been able to keep our food pantry even close to full because the need is so high.

Churches just don’t have the resources government does.

There’s that and unfortunately some churches will refuse help to people of a different religion or if they’re gay. The whole private charity thing sounds good at first glance. I help out some myself but to use that as the only means of helping the less well off is a sure fire ticket to a society full of haves and have nots which already is a problem.

342 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:39:52am

re: #221 Sol Berdinowitz

and Baden-Baden in Germany

That’s where I was born.

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:21am

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

I need links. A friend on fb posted this.

From CDC:

cdc.gov

344 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:29am

Why let facts get in the way of a good rant? ACA edition vol. (too many to keep track).

Today’s installment: HHS regs from 2010 that speaks to the claims that the ACA is forcing insurers to drop policies.

“The rule we’re announcing today preserves individuals’ ability to keep their current plan and provides strong consumer protections that give Americans more control over their health insurance choices.”

Grandfathered health plans will be able to make routine changes to their policies and maintain their status. These routine changes include cost adjustments to keep pace with medical inflation, adding new benefits, making modest adjustments to existing benefits, voluntarily adopting new consumer protections under the new law, or making changes to comply with State or other Federal laws. Premium changes are not taken into account when determining whether or not a plan is grandfathered.

Plans will lose their grandfathered status if they choose to make significant changes that reduce benefits or increase costs to consumers. If a plan loses its grandfathered status, then consumers in these plans will gain additional new benefits including:

Coverage of recommended prevention services with no cost sharing; and
Patient protections such as access to OB-GYNs and pediatricians without a referral by a separate primary care provider.
Details about what routine changes insurers and employers can make without losing their grandfathered status, and the projected impact on large and small employer plans and the individual plan market can be found at healthreform.gov

Most of the 133 million Americans with employer-sponsored health insurance through large employers will maintain the coverage they have today. Additionally, large employer-based plans already offer most of the comprehensive benefits and consumer protections that the Affordable Care Act will provide to all Americans this year - such as preventing rescission of coverage.

The roughly 42 million people insured through small businesses will likely transition from their current plan to one with the new Affordable Care Act protections over the next few years. Small plans tend to make substantial changes to cost sharing, employer contributions, and health insurance issuers more frequently than large plans. To help small businesses afford employee coverage, the Affordable Care Act includes a tax credit for up to 35% of their premium contributions.

345 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:32am

Here’s a good roundup:

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

I need links. A friend on fb posted this.

A good starting point to all the nuttiness Natural News believes in:

rationalwiki.org

346 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:40am

re: #340 blueraven

Breaking: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford admits smoking crack

During a “drunken stupor.”

347 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:42am

re: #340 blueraven

Breaking: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford admits smoking crack

That’s kind of the same as Ron Jeremy admitting he’s a porn star

348 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:40:48am

re: #338 Targetpractice

Apparently I missed the real doozy in Crazy Uncle Liberty’s remarks yesterday. The guy whose name is synonymous with “independent” voters, the guy who libertarians like to boast they’d vote for if he ever were on a presidential ballot…told folks at a rally here in VA yesterday that you’d have to be “insane” to vote for anybody but the establishment candidate.

Yeah I saw that Ron Paul the “libertarian” went all out for the so-con asshole in a race where the Libertarian candidate may get the most votes ever received by a Libertarian here in the commonwealth. I honestly voted for Sarvis just to shove that in the face of Libertarians who think Ron Paul is hot shit. But then again remember that he supported Chuck Baldwin over Bob Barr in 2008 too. I mean Bob Barr is a fraud but at least he pretended not to be a so-con whackjob, Chuck Baldwin is very openly so-con whackjob.

349 blueraven  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:41:58am

re: #346 Gus

During a “drunken stupor.”

Yep

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford admits to smoking crack


Toronto mayor: ‘I’m no drug addict’
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford has admitted to smoking crack cocaine, saying he had done so in a “drunken stupor”.

bbc.co.uk

350 Flounder  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:43:31am

re: #335 Gus

Actually it can. Alcohol doesn’t help you make the right choices.

351 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:43:51am

re: #349 blueraven

Yep

bbc.co.uk

I’ve done quite a bit in drunken stupors. Can’t say that smoking crack was one of them.

352 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:44:09am

re: #346 Gus

During a “drunken stupor.”

Well, then, that makes it perfectly okay!

///

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:44:19am
354 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:45:53am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that Ron Paul the “libertarian” went all out for the so-con asshole in a race where the Libertarian candidate may get the most votes ever received by a Libertarian here in the commonwealth. I honestly voted for Sarvis just to shove that in the face of Libertarians who think Ron Paul is hot shit.

Yeah, I’ve lost count of the “indies” and “libertarians” who’ve browbeaten me for voting for the “establishment” candidate when I don’t really support him/her because I should vote only for the candidate I support…which is usually right before they admit they voted for the Republican because they didn’t want the Democrat to win.

355 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:47:30am

re: #354 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve lost count of the “indies” and “libertarians” who’ve browbeaten me for voting for the “establishment” candidate when I don’t really support him/her because I should vote only for the candidate I support…which is usually right before they admit they voted for the Republican because they didn’t want the Democrat to win.

Libertarians are just Republicans that are ashamed to admit their affiliation with the church.

356 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:48:21am

MUST WATCH
Youtube Video

also Paged

357 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:50:14am

re: #354 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’ve lost count of the “indies” and “libertarians” who’ve browbeaten me for voting for the “establishment” candidate when I don’t really support him/her because I should vote only for the candidate I support…which is usually right before they admit they voted for the Republican because they didn’t want the Democrat to win.

Crazy Old Uncle Liberty is a fraud. As you know, I’m a GMU alum so I’ve met quite a few professed libertarians who accept the Republican Party’s bullshit on social issues because they actually buy the GOP’s crap on economics as being good for them. I’ve met some who don’t but the vast majority of them are just in denial that they’re Republican party voters with a purist view on the economy and more personally socially moderate to liberal than your average Republican voter who despite that still vote the party line. I also have to say that the Libertarians have shown why they’ll remain irrelevant as a party indefinitely since they didn’t even bother nominating anyone for Lt Governor or AG. I like Herring though so the last one was an easy vote and the lady I voted for delegate has had a real positive campaign against her TP whacko opponent.

358 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:52:17am

It’s kind of interesting. If you’re center-right but not overly religious, you really don’t have a place in either the Democratic or Republican party so you sort of become an independent by default.

359 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:54:19am

re: #358 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s kind of interesting. If you’re center-right but not overly religious, you really don’t have a place in either the Democratic or Republican party so you sort of become an independent by default.

And it’s at that point that you need to make a choice within the realities of the American political system. What’s more important? People, or money?

Your answer to this question determines which party you vote for.

360 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:56:20am

re: #359 GunstarGreen

And it’s at that point that you need to make a choice within the realities of the American political system. What’s more important? People, or money?

Your answer to this question determines which party you vote for.

And I choose people every time. I’m not really center-right though so I’m not the kind of voter in question. I’m definitely more even though I do lean left on economics more of a social liberal than an economic lefty. I mean I’ve seen some of my more lefty friends on facebook propose really high tax brackets and I think they come off as naive as those who propose gutting the income tax all together.

361 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:56:32am

HA!

362 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:56:42am

Category

Not The Onion

Speed faithing?!?

By Paloma Esquivel

October 30, 2013, 9:16 p.m.

You have 10 minutes to sell someone on Catholicism, no more than that to distill the teachings of the Koran or the foundations of Mormonism.

It’s speed-dating for religion, and in a burst of faith-driven curiosity, dozens of students at UC Irvine raced from room to room Wednesday to listen to religious students (and two atheists) break down the core tenets of their belief system while on the clock.
latimes.com

363 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 9:57:22am

Masters of Sex is a good new show. Random note. Lizzy Caplan is cute and I’ve admired Michael Sheen’s acting since I saw him play David Frost in Frost/Nixon.

364 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:00:01am

FIRST-POST FLOUNCE on the dead thread.

365 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:00:33am

re: #304 Gus

Duran Duran

The band, or the movie villain?

366 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:01:10am

On economics though, I refuse to subscribe the the dogmas of Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism. I like the free market but at the same time I do think that some things shouldn’t be privatized or that some things work both privately and publically. The dogmatic among us mostly on the right seem to think they live in a country of Capitalists(who they call freedom lovers) and Communists (who likewise they deem freedom haters). I ride public transportation to get to D.C and then I get a bite to eat and a drink at a private bar. I like both.

368 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:01:34am

Morning Lizards.

Nobody burned the place down while I was gone, I see.

369 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:02:08am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

another link, that links to an actual study:

Study Finds No Vaccine Link to Guillain-Barré

re: #345 Ian G.

Here’s a good roundup:

Thanks! and Posted on fb.

A good starting point to all the nuttiness Natural News believes in:

rationalwiki.org

370 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:02:20am

re: #367 FemNaziBitch

Did Your Senators Just Vote For Or Against ENDA? Here’s The Complete List

Thanks Tim and Mark. I’ve voted for both of you and you justified my votes.

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:02:39am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

FIRST-POST FLOUNCE on the dead thread.

Not even a very original one either. “You’ve changed Charles, you’re a cheerleader, you spend too much time hating on the people I support, you like Obama too much, etc.”

372 Mattand  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:03:11am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

FIRST-POST FLOUNCE on the dead thread.

LOL, their only post since signing up a year and half ago, and it’s a flounce that garners -4 karma.

Classic.

373 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:03:22am

re: #371 Targetpractice

Not even a very original one either. “You’ve changed Charles, you’re a cheerleader, you spend too much time hating on the people I support, you like Obama too much, etc.”

If Charles had a nickle for everytime he heard that, I bet he would be able to buy his own Hawaiian island.

374 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:03:29am

re: #368 klys

Morning Lizards.

Nobody burned the place down while I was gone, I see.

Welcome back! Good trip?

375 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:03:30am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Thanks Tim and Mark. I’ve voted for both of you and you justified my votes.

It is nice to know that, while our representatives can be a pick-and-mix bag, we have two senators who do have IQs above room temp.

376 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:05:01am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Masters of Sex is a good new show. Random note. Lizzy Caplan is cute and I’ve admired Michael Sheen’s acting since I saw him play David Frost in Frost/Nixon.

I’ve liked him since he played Tony Blair in The Queen.

377 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:05:02am

Get a load of this guy!

378 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:05:34am

re: #374 makeitstop

Welcome back! Good trip?

It was. Hot water is always enjoyed.

The giant pile of things to get done before I leave town on Thursday again is less wonderful.

379 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:06:23am

re: #375 Targetpractice

It is nice to know that, while our representatives can be a pick-and-mix bag, we have two senators who do have IQs above room temp.

Yep and I’m probably going to get a good Rep since I hope to move back east soon enough. I’ll either get Jerry or Jim. I like Jerry more but Jim’s a character. Teh right acts like he’s a super liberal since he’s pretty partisan but like most Virginia Democrats, he’s a pretty moderate guy. I was really relieved that Jerry survived the wave of 2010. I didn’t worry about Jim since Arlington/Alexandria will go Republican when Ken Cuccinelli shows self-awareness.

380 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:06:27am

re: #367 FemNaziBitch

I am genuinely surprised by Hatch’s vote to kill the filibuster.

Or did I forget something?

381 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:07:06am
382 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:07:10am

re: #376 Ed E. Lishus

I’ve liked him since he played Tony Blair in The Queen.

I think he’s played Blair like three times. He was also on 30 Rock and quite funny on that. He played “Wesley Snipes” and hated that the actor of the same name “stole” the name from him.

383 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:08:00am

yup

384 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:08:05am
385 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:08:12am

re: #380 Internet Tough Guy

I am genuinely surprised by Hatch’s vote to kill the filibuster.

Or did I forget something?

He was down early as voting for ENDA. The real surprise to me is McCain not voting after his wife urged him to vote yes and his big shit cry about how ENDA was like forced busing.

386 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:08:38am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

yup

I’ll drink to that.

387 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:08:50am

re: #381 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Glenn Greenwald, Professional Victim.

388 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:09:24am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

He played “Wesley Snipes” and hated that the actor of the same name “stole” the name from him.

That sounds effing brilliant.

389 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:13:07am
390 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:13:38am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

Yeah but all those things like science and minority rights are the war on religion to these clowns.

391 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:14:00am

re: #368 klys

Morning Lizards.

Nobody burned the place down while I was gone, I see.

Welcome back.

392 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:14:04am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

Which is, of course, why he’s whining so much about this shit and doesn’t give a fig about issues like stop and frisk.

393 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:15:31am

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

And Russell Brand knows about repression how?

394 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:15:40am

re: #392 klys

Which is, of course, why he’s whining so much about this shit and doesn’t give a fig about issues like stop and frisk.

Seriously, you read about the police showing up to the wrong place and or shooting unarmed people usually poor minorities. That’s something that worries me far more than the NSA stuff. And as others have added, there’s been little to no talk about corporations gathering personal information either.

395 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:16:00am

re: #393 Gus

And Russell Brand knows about repression how?

He was married to Katy Perry.//

396 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:16:13am

Don’t you know that white, privileged dudebros, like Greenwald & Snowden, are the most repressed minority in the history of forever?

397 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:16:41am

re: #378 klys

It was. Hot water is always enjoyed.

The giant pile of things to get done before I leave town on Thursday again is less wonderful.

Real life, it never stops.

398 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:17:26am

re: #397 makeitstop

Real life, it never stops.

I disapprove.

399 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:18:35am
400 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:19:31am

“Nobody knows, the trouble I’ve seen…”
— Russell Brand

401 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:20:52am

re: #399 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

but 10 points if you do!
/

402 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:22:13am

re: #399 Vicious Babushka

403 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:25:55am
404 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:28:25am

re: #362 Political Atheist

Category

Not The Onion

Speed faithing?!?

Rabbi Hillel did the best job of that when asked to sum up the entire Torah (IIRC, while standing on one foot):

“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn it.”

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:29:56am

re: #384 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

I could almost do twitter just to retweet that one.

406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:30:34am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

So, he does believe in climate change after all?
o_O

407 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:30:44am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

*toketoketokecough* Nope, still doesn’t make sense.

408 Gus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:31:38am

People are still stupid enough to believe that Ron Paul had nothing to do with the Ron Paul Newsletters.

409 calochortus  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:36:00am

re: #327 Eclectic Cyborg

K-Mart to open at 6 in the morning…on Thanksgiving.

Because, fuck family holidays, that’s why!

Not a new concept. 20+ years ago in southeastern PA K Mart used to suggest people put their turkey in the oven and then come on over to shop. They did not mention whether their employees were doing the same and would be able to go home to family and turkey dinner.

If I shopped there I could boycott them. I hate to see the idea of ‘holiday’ disappearing in retail.

410 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:39:15am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought climate change was a hoax?

411 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:40:35am

re: #404 William Barnett-Lewis

Rabbi Hillel did the best job of that when asked to sum up the entire Torah (IIRC, while standing on one foot):

“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn it.”

a/k/a/ The Golden Rule. Way too simple for most of us.

Life has to be harder —right?

412 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:54:53am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

but 10 points if you do!
/

Youtube Video

413 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 11:10:30am

re: #408 Gus

People are still stupid enough to believe that Ron Paul had nothing to do with the Ron Paul Newsletters.

I’ve always looked at it like this. Either Ron Paul wrote the letters and is a bigoted jackass or he’s too stupid to check what other people write in his name. Either way, not exactly a ringing endorsement of his judgment and worldview. The newsletters are enough for me to see why Ron Paul is a cuckoo bigot who we are fortunate will never be our president.

414 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:34:42pm

re: #225 Mattand

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that MPH hasn’t bothered to look up what’s available for him on the exchange.

I’ve been researching insurance for my employees on the NY exchange. It would cost me about an extra $250/mo per employee for slightly worse coverage compared to what they have now through Aetna (which is similar to the silver plans in the exchanges).

415 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:37:52pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

Your concern is noted.
Now, what is the GOP alternative?
Oh, right. They don’t have one. They don’t care about the uninsured.

Unfortunately, GOP won’t need to present a meaningful alternative to profit from Obama’s lies. Look at at that nutty Cooch in Virginia surging in the polls based on that one issue alone.

Hope ‘n Change (TM)…

416 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:38:22pm

re: #414 MPH

And these plans are 100% comparable - no lifetime caps, no exclusion for pre-existing conditions, same yearly out of pocket cap, free preventative care, etc., etc.?

417 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:38:41pm

re: #187 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, he is so totally going to lose in 2016!

He’ll probably lose the Senate and get smacked down in the House, yes.

418 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:41:43pm

re: #417 MPH

He’ll probably lose the Senate and get smacked down in the House, yes.

/watches the point fly overhead

419 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:43:59pm

re: #415 MPH

We’ll see about that ‘surge’. After the EPIC FAIL that was Dick Morris and Karl Rove’s predictions and polling a year ago, I have my doubts about a Cuccinelli surge in the Old Dominion.

420 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:48:50pm

re: #416 klys

And these plans are 100% comparable - no lifetime caps, no exclusion for pre-existing conditions, same yearly out of pocket cap, free preventative care, etc., etc.?

The Aetna plan they are on today is better then the more expensive Obamacare option across nearly every coverage point. The pre-existing conditions are not an issue with my employees or their families who are covered.

That said, in a perfect world, I don’t think employers should be buying insurance for employees. I’d much rather pay the cost of the insurance on to the employees and let them self-select a plan that is best for them. When people see first hand how much it costs, they start asking what is in this plan — and it puts downward pressure on the price. If there is one good thing to come out of this obamacare sticker shock news, perhaps many people who never considered it before will realize how ridiculous it is to be forced to buy something you don’t need. That isn’t how you incentivize the industry to control costs.

421 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:49:42pm

re: #420 MPH

..Right. You actually have no idea of how insurance works.

Carry on.

422 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:53:31pm

re: #421 klys

..Right. You actually have no idea of how insurance works.

Carry on.

Lol. Awesome job, dude.

423 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:55:34pm

re: #422 MPH

Lol. Awesome job, dude.

You too, chick.

424 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 2:55:55pm

re: #422 MPH

Lol. Awesome job, dude.

U mad, bro?

425 MPH  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:55:19pm

re: #424 klys

U mad, bro?

Actually, you made my day. The above noted “lol” was literal.

Though the politics are obviously different, nothing of substance has changed here over the past dozen years. Everyone is radically committed to their politics and they are always angry. It’s the same tried and true red meat for the wolves and down votes for the clowns.

Keep on keeping on.

426 klys  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 6:58:00pm

re: #425 MPH

You know, if you came in looking for reasonable discussion, you’d find that actually happens.

Coming in to troll just gets you trolled back.

But hey, if you get your jollies that way, who am I to judge? After all, I’m not a Republican.


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