Yasser Arafat Probably Poisoned by Polonium, Swiss Review Concludes

So, who did it?

Swiss forensics examiners found sufficient traces of the deadly radioactive isotope polonium-210 in the exhumed remains of Yasser Arafat to conclude with relative certainty that the late Palestinian leader died of poisoning in 2004, Al Jazeera channel reported Wednesday.

The Qatar-based broadcaster said it had obtained exclusive access to the 108-page report of the University Center of Legal Medicine in Lausanne, which it posted on its website.

Examination of bone fragments, decomposed tissue and body fluids taken from Arafat’s remains at his West Bank tomb a year ago found at least 18 times the normal level of polonium, the Swiss scientists reported.

The Swiss team was one of three given forensic material for investigation after Arafat’s widow, Suha, gave Al Jazeera access to the late Palestinian leader’s personal effects and medical records in 2011 in hopes of determining his cause of death, the network said. Results of the other two probes, by Russian and French experts, have yet to be reported.

Arafat died Nov. 11, 2004, at 75, less than a month after suddenly falling ill with what doctors then thought to be influenza. But the vomiting, nausea and abdominal pain that he complained of are also symptoms of radiation poisoning — a little-known hazard prior to its use to kill KGB defector Alexander Litvinenko in London in November 2006, Al Jazeera noted.

The network’s extensive report on the Swiss findings quoted renowned British forensic scientist Dave Barclay as saying he was “wholly convinced that Arafat was murdered.”

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584 comments

1 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:19:07pm

Call me unconvinced.
This science is not about polonium it’s about by products like lead that are not such a direct or reliable indicator.

Al Jazeeras logo on the report cover?! WTF?

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:37:26pm

I admit I’m promoting this just to provoke debate - I’m undecided about it myself, but it’s no secret that Ariel Sharon always wanted Arafat dead, so who knows?

3 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:40:57pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I admit I’m promoting this just to provoke debate - I’m undecided about it myself, but it’s no secret that Ariel Sharon always wanted Arafat dead, so who knows?

I don’t know about that.

Sexual Tension Between Arafat, Sharon Reaches Breaking Point

4 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:41:55pm

pretty pointless considering that he was 75

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:41:59pm

Would it surprise me that Arafish was poisoned? Not really. Would it change my opinion of his death? Not hardly.

6 jaunte  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:44:54pm

Who inherited his money?

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:45:54pm

The most likely suspect if Arafat was actually murdered is Israel, of course. Russia has been known to use polonium for assassinations, but I can’t think of any reason why FSB would have wanted to kill Arafat at that point in time.

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:48:25pm

re: #4 dog philosopher

I was thinking the same thing. Who would go to all the trouble of dealing with Polonium, some pretty nasty stuff, to kill a 75-year-old?

Very long grudges, I guess.

9 dell*nix  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:49:41pm

re: #8 Rev_Arthur_Belling

More useful dead than alive?

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:52:32pm

We should note that Israel did make numerous documented attempts to assassinate Arafat. I think a dozen or so? Lots. They wanted him dead. So there’s that.

11 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:53:40pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

The most likely suspect if Arafat was actually murdered is Israel, of course. Russia has been known to use polonium for assassinations, but I can’t think of any reason why FSB would have wanted to kill Arafat at that point in time.

Most likely, but not only. Hamas has certainly flourished in his absence.

13 b.d.  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:54:27pm

There’s a long list of people who wanted him dead. The only people we can exclude, at this point, are people under 9 years old.

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:54:39pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Most likely, but not only. Hamas has certainly flourished in his absence.

Yeah Abbas hasn’t been the kind of leader for the PLO that Arafat was.

15 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:55:11pm

re: #13 b.d.

There’s a long list of people who wanted him dead. The only people we can exclude, at this point, are people under 9 years old.

So does that mean Barack Obama did it.//

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:55:36pm

Anyhow the guy had a lot of enemies. It could have been Israel but it wouldn’t shock me if Hamas did it too.

17 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:58:30pm

How was the fatal dose delivered?

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 5:59:27pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Anyhow the guy had a lot of enemies. It could have been Israel but it wouldn’t shock me if Hamas did it too.

I don’t know - polonium is very rare, highly controlled stuff. The preferred assassination tool of upper class nations. I’d be very surprised if Hamas actually got their hands on enough polonium to do something like this, and had the sophistication to deliver it without being immediately detected. That doesn’t sound like Hamas.

19 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:00:24pm

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

How was the fatal dose delivered?

The hammer, by Col. Mustard, in the library.

20 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:00:35pm

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

How was the fatal dose delivered?

Via red folder.

/(old LGF joke)

21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:00:41pm

From Oct 15
No Polonium in Arafat’s body: Russia experts

news24.com

A Russian official said on Tuesday that forensic tests found no indications of polonium poisoning in the body of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

“He could not have died of polonium poisoning - the Russian experts found no traces of this substance,” Vladimir Uiba, the head of Russia’s Federal Medical-Biological Agency, told the Interfax news agency on Tuesday.

22 dell*nix  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:01:06pm

How much money did he have in Swiss accounts? Perhaps that was going to be exposed and present a problem. Or someone may have been upset about too small a cut.

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:01:32pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I don’t know - polonium is very rare, highly controlled stuff. The preferred assassination tool of upper class nations.

True point.

24 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:02:04pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Call me unconvinced.
This science is not about polonium it’s about by products like lead that are not such a direct or reliable indicator.

Al Jazeeras logo on the report cover?! WTF?

You know how I can tell you didn’t read the report?

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:07:13pm

So, somebody has polonium to sprinkle on Arafat’s underwear (Which was stored in a French Lawyer’s safe for some reason) and on his remains sent to the Swiss but they somehow forgot to put polonium in the samples sent to the Russians. Still doesn’t make much sense but the poisoning story still looks unlikely.

26 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:07:34pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

From Oct 15
No Polonium in Arafat’s body: Russia experts

news24.com

Look at the graph on page 46 of the report, along with the supporting data in the preceding pages.

27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:08:37pm

Oddly enough the press is all excited about the positive Swiss sample today but ignored the negative Russian sample a few weeks ago.

28 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:09:50pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

So, somebody has polonium to sprinkle on Arafat’s underwear (Which was stored in a French Lawyer’s safe for some reason) and on his remains sent to the Swiss but they somehow forgot to put polonium in the samples sent to the Russians. Still doesn’t make much sense but the poisoning story still looks unlikely.

Not his underwear. The highest levels come from multiple samples of his bones (iliac crest and ribs.)

Y’all should actually try to read the report before making assumptions about what it contains.

29 Kilroy01  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:10:16pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Oddly enough the press is all excited about the positive Swiss sample today but ignored the negative Russian sample a few weeks ago.

Ok now that I know what the Russians said.. I’m starting to think it is Syrian rebels..

30 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:10:28pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Not his underwear. The highest levels come from multiple samples of his bones (iliac crest and ribs.)

Y’all should actually try to read the report before making assumptions about what it contains.

It’s much more fun to take the Russians at their word, because everyone knows they would never lie about anything.

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31 b.d.  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:10:31pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

From Oct 15
No Polonium in Arafat’s body: Russia experts

news24.com

If you can’t trust the Russians then who can you trust?

32 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:10:42pm

I don’t want to jump to any conclusions on who killed him.

I would hate to thank the wrong guys for the wrong reasons.

33 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:11:07pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Oddly enough the press is all excited about the positive Swiss sample today but ignored the negative Russian sample a few weeks ago.

I think Swiss researchers are generally more reliable than Russian researchers … but I’m not endorsing this, just reporting it with the caveat that it could very well be complete bullshit.

34 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:11:53pm

re: #4 dog philosopher

Reply in the thread downstairs.

35 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:12:22pm
36 freetoken  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:12:57pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The Guardian’s story though painted the Swiss researchers in a more cautious note. The LA Times article is using Al Jazeera’s take on the Swiss research.

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:13:37pm

re: #35 Kragar

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how long before Bryan Fischer and co accuse the Pope of being a demon?

38 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:13:51pm

There’s a Snowwald joke in this whole business with the Russians, but I’m too tired to find it.

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:14:37pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Call me unconvinced.
This science is not about polonium it’s about by products like lead that are not such a direct or reliable indicator.

Al Jazeeras logo on the report cover?! WTF?

Yeah, what’s up with the Al Jaz logo?

40 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:15:45pm

i don’t want to hear you guys making any polonium jokes now

just because polonium is an alpha emitter that’s no reason to be rude

41 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:17:40pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Oddly enough the press is all excited about the positive Swiss sample today but ignored the negative Russian sample a few weeks ago.

Where is the Russian report? Have you read their methodology? I’d like to read it if anybody can find it.

For one thing, it’s not just the one Swiss sample. They took before and after readings from multiple sites around the grave, from the shroud, and from different parts of the corpse itself. You should really read the report before going all in on this argument from ignorance.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:18:05pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

I think Swiss researchers are generally more reliable than Russian researchers … but I’m not endorsing this, just reporting it with the caveat that it could very well be complete bullshit.

Well, as a thought experiment let’s suppose there is polonium. It’s easy enough to detect so that would mean the Russians are lying. I would think that would put them at the top of the suspect list.

43 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:18:06pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Yeah, what’s up with the Al Jaz logo?

I’m gonna hazard one of those guesses based on reading comprehension and critical thinking, which is Al Jazeera probably coordinated providing samples for the study, possibly provided funding, and was hosting the report on its website.

The Swiss team was one of three given forensic material for investigation after Arafat’s widow, Suha, gave Al Jazeera access to the late Palestinian leader’s personal effects and medical records in 2011 in hopes of determining his cause of death, the network said. Results of the other two probes, by Russian and French experts, have yet to be reported.

In science, logos have a funny way of getting appended on to things to show who was either involved or provided funding.

44 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:18:42pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

how long before Bryan Fischer and co accuse the Pope of being a demon?

Been there, done that.

DAMN PAPIST!
/

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:19:16pm

re: #44 Kragar

Been there, done that.

DAMN PAPIST!
/

I tried looking for demons today after hearing his advice. Couldn’t find any.

46 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:20:30pm
47 biorabbi  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:21:26pm

David Frum and others strongly postulated he secretly died of Aids. This dates back to a story that the KGB and Romanian secret service apparently taped Arafat with young men/boys in a Romanian hotel wherein Arafat rollicked with his young charges while howling like a scalded beast. Then, there is the highly placed Palestinian official who alleged Arafat died of Aids on an arabic news broadcast.

48 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:21:46pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I tried looking for demons today after hearing his advice. Couldn’t find any.

People who believe in demons, talking shit about people who admit to having had mental problems, today on Bryan Fischer’s show.

49 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:23:17pm

re: #47 biorabbi

David Frum and others strongly postulated he secretly died of Aids. This dates back to a story that the KGB and Romanian secret service apparently taped Arafat with young men/boys in a Romanian hotel wherein Arafat rollicked with his young charges while howling like a scalded beast. Then, there is the highly placed Palestinian official who alleged Arafat died of Aids on an arabic news broadcast.

sounds like boilerplate character assassination

50 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:23:47pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I tried looking for demons today after hearing his advice. Couldn’t find any.

I tried rebuking the demon of hairballs that inhabits my cats. It seemed to fail miserably.

RBS

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:25:02pm

re: #48 Kragar

People who believe in demons, talking shit about people who admit to having had mental problems, today on Bryan Fischer’s show.

Rich isn’t it? Fuckers.

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:25:55pm

re: #43 klys

I’m gonna hazard one of those guesses based on reading comprehension and critical thinking, which is Al Jazeera probably coordinated providing samples for the study, possibly provided funding, and was hosting the report on its website.

In science, logos have a funny way of getting appended on to things to show who was either involved or provided funding.

Ah, I didn’t catch the nuance that they were “given” these samples and didn’t collect them themselves or supervise the collection or handling.

53 biorabbi  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:25:56pm

It may be character assassination but not of the boilerplate type… more like the weird type.

54 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:27:47pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Yeah, what’s up with the Al Jaz logo?

Read page 3. Clayton Swisher, a journalist for Al Jazeera English channel contacted the University Center of Legal Medicine Lausanne/Geneva on behalf of Suha Arafat and “requested a forensic medical examination into the death of President Yassir Arafat …”

Al Jazeera almost certainly footed the bill for the report, scanned it and uploaded it to Amazon’s cloud as a .pdf with their own logo superimposed as a watermark. You can confirm this by looking at the pages. You’ll see a very faint reverse image of the other side of each page, but there’s no hint of a reversed logo or Al Jazeera in blue lettering.

55 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:27:48pm

re: #47 biorabbi

KGB and Romanian secret service apparently taped Arafat with young men/boys in a Romanian hotel wherein Arafat rollicked with his young charges while howling like a scalded beast.

Uh oh.

56 biorabbi  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:31:31pm
57 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:32:32pm
58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:33:52pm

re: #57 Kragar

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He really is a special kind of asshole isn’t he?

59 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:35:42pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

He really is a special kind of asshole isn’t he?

His proctologist wept, for he had never seen such a perfect asshole.

60 Blue Fielder  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:36:33pm

re: #53 biorabbi

It may be character assassination but not of the boilerplate type… more like the weird type.

I dunno… the ol’ “he was a secret queer-o-sekshul who died of teh homoaids” smear has a long history. Well, thirty years or so, anyhow, which is a long time to my not-yet-30 ass.

61 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:41:10pm

re: #43 klys

I’m gonna hazard one of those guesses based on reading comprehension and critical thinking, which is Al Jazeera probably coordinated providing samples for the study, possibly provided funding, and was hosting the report on its website.

In science, logos have a funny way of getting appended on to things to show who was either involved or provided funding.

You wanna be really careful handing Kilgore this kind of unsupported supposition. As you can see he’s going to seize on any reason, even completely unstated ones, to believe the Russian report he was never actually shown instead of a Swiss one he refuses to read.

Page 30 of the report details the exhumation procedure as it was carried out, claims that three different teams of experts were on hand to perform the sampling. Unfortunately who exactly made up the three teams isn’t specified.

62 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:41:19pm

Po-210 has a half-life of 138 days. This is the time it takes for the activity to decrease by half due to a process of radioactive decay. Po-210 decays to stable lead-206 by emitting alpha particles, accompanied by very low intensity gamma rays. The majority of the time Po-210 decays by emission of alpha particles only, not by emission of an alpha particle and a gamma ray. Only about one in a 100,000 decays results in the emission of a gamma ray. Alpha spectroscopy is the best method of measuring this isotope.

Source IAEA

And they got this from a corps, how many years old?

Something stinks. And it’s not the corps.

63 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:42:28pm

Yeah.

Arafat was a bastard I had no respect for, but I’m severely grossed out by the evil bastard = gay sex = AIDS elison.

Taking really common symptoms that could be the product of primary pathology or secondary pathology and makin’ ‘em AIDS? Lazy. AIDS being magic indicator of boy fucking? Is this the 80s? Has epidemiology experienced a temporal anamoly and now has a Flock-of-Seagulls haircut?

Also, anecdotal evidence from the flunky of a Romanian dictator? That’s pathetic. Not as pathetic as yet another rolling out of the trope of boy-fucking as slander, but definitely pathetic.

Did I respect Frum for calling out the GOP? I take a sizable chunk of that back. That was a stupid fucking article whose contents he doubled down on.

64 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:42:35pm

re: #62 Bubblehead II

>Po-210 has a half-life of 138 days. This is the time it takes for the activity to decrease by half due to a process of radioactive decay. Po-210 decays to stable lead-206 by emitting alpha particles, accompanied by very low intensity gamma rays. The majority of the time Po-210 decays by emission of alpha particles only, not by emission of an alpha particle and a gamma ray. Only about one in a 100,000 decays results in the emission of a gamma ray. Alpha spectroscopy is the best method of measuring this isotope.

Source IAEA

And they got this from a corps, how many years old?

Something stinks. And it’s not the corps.

corpse*

65 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:44:26pm

re: #64 Kragar

And it’s not the corps.

Well, the corps probably doesn’t stink either. ;)

66 jaunte  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:45:07pm
67 Teukka  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:45:31pm

re: #47 biorabbi

David Frum and others strongly postulated he secretly died of Aids. This dates back to a story that the KGB and Romanian secret service apparently taped Arafat with young men/boys in a Romanian hotel wherein Arafat rollicked with his young charges while howling like a scalded beast. Then, there is the highly placed Palestinian official who alleged Arafat died of Aids on an arabic news broadcast.

Tsk tsk tsk… Let me try a little more believable stab in the dark as to whodunnit… Look at the common denominators between Arafat and Litvinenko. If I remember correctly, both were Sunni moslems… Now, a number of new potential suspects appear…

68 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:46:22pm

re: #64 Kragar

corpse*

GRAMMAR NAZI !!!!! :-) You be supressing me

69 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:46:47pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

You wanna be really careful handing Kilgore this kind of unsupported supposition. As you can see he’s going to seize on any reason, even completely unstated ones, to believe the Russian report he was never actually shown instead of a Swiss one he refuses to read.

Page 30 of the report details the exhumation procedure as it was carried out, claims that three different teams of experts were on hand to perform the sampling. Unfortunately who exactly made up the three teams isn’t specified.

You know, the kind of sloppy regard for the facts reminds me of something.

Maybe if I think on it for a while, it’ll come to me.

(Details were false but the basis of the story is true so it’s all ok? Wait, no, that couldn’t possibly be it. Hmm. Must have been something else. Oh well. Maybe I’ll remember tomorrow.)

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:47:00pm

re: #63 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah.

Arafat was a bastard I had no respect for, but I’m severely grossed out by the evil bastard = gay sex = AIDS elison.

Taking really common symptoms that could be the product of primary pathology or secondary pathology and makin’ ‘em AIDS? Lazy. AIDS being magic indicator of boy fucking? Is this the 80s? Has epidemiology experienced a temporal anamoly and now has a Flock-of-Seagulls haircut?

Also, anecdotal evidence from the flunky of a Romanian dictator? That’s pathetic. Not as pathetic as yet another rolling out of the trope of boy-fucking as slander, but definitely pathetic.

Did I respect Frum for calling out the GOP? I take a sizable chunk of that back. That was a stupid fucking article whose contents he doubled down on.

This was what I was thinking too. Arafat was a bastard as you say but this just reeks of an old time discrediting because gay gross and gay eww eww.

71 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:47:21pm

re: #68 Bubblehead II

GRAMMAR NAZI!!!!! :-) You be supressing me

Well, to be context-specific, that was spelling.

/ducks

72 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:48:06pm

re: #71 klys

Well, to be context-specific, that was spelling.

/ducks

PEDANT!!!

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73 jaunte  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:48:56pm

This face, right here.

74 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:49:17pm

re: #72 AlexRogan

PEDANT!!!

///

I tried to make a context-free grammar joke and it failed. I has a sad. :(

I also have homework. Sigh.

75 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:49:42pm

re: #71 klys

Well, to be context-specific, that was spelling.

/ducks

Yep, but what the hell.

76 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:49:43pm

re: #73 jaunte

This face, right here.

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It is a very square face.

77 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:50:23pm

re: #62 Bubblehead II

>Po-210 has a half-life of 138 days. This is the time it takes for the activity to decrease by half due to a process of radioactive decay. Po-210 decays to stable lead-206 by emitting alpha particles, accompanied by very low intensity gamma rays. The majority of the time Po-210 decays by emission of alpha particles only, not by emission of an alpha particle and a gamma ray. Only about one in a 100,000 decays results in the emission of a gamma ray. Alpha spectroscopy is the best method of measuring this isotope.

Source IAEA

And they got this from a corps, how many years old?

Something stinks. And it’s not the corps.

Yeah I was just looking into that. buried at the end of one of the articles was a line about “Some experts have raised doubts about finding evidence after so much time”.

78 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:56:18pm

re: #73 jaunte

This face, right here.

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There is nothing funnier than that photo.

At least right now. To me.

79 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:58:48pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

There is nothing funnier than that photo.

At least right now. To me.

I take your challenge and raise you this.

This end should point toward the ground if you are wanting to go to space.

If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today.

80 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:00:24pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I admit I’m promoting this just to provoke debate - I’m undecided about it myself, but it’s no secret that Ariel Sharon always wanted Arafat dead, so who knows?

The thing is Sharon was/is (a study from earlier this year claimed he still has some higher brain function) not a subtle man. Poison wasn’t his style, he’d rather use bullets or bombs. If he’d ordered Arafat dead, it would have been in such a way as the cause of death would have clearly been homicide.

81 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:02:44pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

The most likely suspect if Arafat was actually murdered is Israel, of course. Russia has been known to use polonium for assassinations, but I can’t think of any reason why FSB would have wanted to kill Arafat at that point in time.

If the trace polonium is actually there some labs might be able to ID the source via isotope balance comparisons.

82 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:19:40pm

Greetings from Tennessee lizards!

83 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:22:37pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Greetings from Tennessee lizards!

It’s a bit rainy tonight. eh?

84 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:23:32pm

Night Lizards. See you in the morning

As always, may the Deity of you choice smile down upon you.

85 klys  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:24:45pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Greetings from Tennessee lizards!

Glad to see you back. Your absence has been noted. :) All settled in yet?

86 darthstar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:24:46pm
87 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:24:54pm

re: #83 AlexRogan

It’s a bit rainy tonight. eh?

It’s a beautiful rain. I love it here.

88 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:24:58pm

Whoever ordered the killing didn’t gain much. except fissioning the territories into antagonistic pseudo-nations on bad terms with pretty much everybody.

I’d like to think it wasn’t Israel but the dumbass move of involving themselves in the settlements for perpetuity wasn’t too swift either.

89 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:25:44pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

It’s a beautiful rain. I love it here.

Doesn’t feel bad out tonight.

90 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:26:18pm

I don’t think you can compare Polonium sampling to the usual reference point, Carbon 14. Polonium isn’t naturally occurring, it’s isn’t constantly being refreshed in the environment and thus it’s natural background count in both the environment and normal tissues is going to be far, far lower. This in turn drives the threshold for detection down, not up. If the Swiss actually succeeded in detecting it in the bones and the dark soil stain below Arafat’s corpse at the levels indicated in the report, then it’s pretty hard to explain away. Especially considering that the levels drop off so significantly in proportion to the distance from the body,

Secondly the decay products of Po are themselves mildly radioactive, and while both Po and the lead isotope are byproducts of Radon decay, the researchers did in fact attempt to take that into account. They took Radon readings from the grave by drilling into the concrete cover stone the day before the actual exhumation.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:27:36pm

re: #85 klys

Glad to see you back. Your absence has been noted. :) All settled in yet?

Pretty much. The kids love their school and I’m back at work. In live in the country but downtown Nashville is just a half hour away. We don’t miss Virginia at all.

92 darthstar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:30:48pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

It’s a beautiful rain. I love it here.

The quintessential definition of ‘home’…good for you.

93 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:31:50pm

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

Pretty much. The kids love their school and I’m back at work. In live in the country but downtown Nashville is just a half hour away. We don’t miss Virginia at all.

Moved (back) to Sumner County, didn’t you?

94 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:33:00pm

You don’t realize how behind the times you have been in until things you didn’t have all of a sudden are available. Things we have now that we didn’t have available in Nelson county Virginia:

Cell phone coverage at home
Cable TV
High speed internet
Pizza delivery
Lots of family around

I am in heaven :)

95 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:33:07pm

BEST SOUTH PARK EVER!

96 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:34:37pm

Arafat was so goddamned corrupt it’s a wonder he didn’t get knocked off sooner. But he did have the most entertaining funeral ever, so there’s that. It was like crowdsurfing with a coffin.

97 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:34:55pm

re: #93 AlexRogan

Moved (back) to Sumner County, didn’t you?

Yes. They have great schools here. We have deer all over and giant turkeys roaming around. They are much bigger than the wild turkeys of Virginia. My dog didn’t know what to make of them at first.

98 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:35:34pm

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

You don’t realize how behind the times you have been in until things you didn’t have all of a sudden are available. Things we have now that we didn’t have available in Nelson county Virginia:

Cell phone coverage at home
Cable TV
>High speed internet
Pizza delivery
Lots of family around

I am in heaven :

Comcast vs. AT&T isn’t exactly the best of choices, but it’s the best we have right now; at least for me here in the city, Comcast is reliable with good speed.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:36:05pm

re: #93 AlexRogan

Moved (back) to Sumner County, didn’t you?

Moved (back) to Sumner County, didn’t you?

How did you know?

100 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:37:04pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

Moved (back) to Sumner County, didn’t you?

How did you know?

You said when you were talking about moving down here that you had lived in/around Hendersonville before.

101 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:37:04pm

“I’m going to lose everything!”
“That’s why it’s called gambling.”

Ah, good times.

102 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:38:28pm

re: #98 AlexRogan

Comcast vs. AT&T isn’t exactly the best of choices, but it’s the best we have right now; at least for me, Comcast is reliable with good speed.

I’m getting 50 megs right now. It’s a huge step from 56K.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:39:00pm

re: #100 AlexRogan

You said when you were talking about moving down here that you had lived in/around Hendersonville before.

Good memory!

104 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:39:19pm

re: #102 NJDhockeyfan

I’m getting 50 megs right now. It’s a huge step from 56K.

Feels good, don’t it?

105 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:40:02pm

re: #104 AlexRogan

Feels good, don’t it?

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

106 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:40:58pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

So does this mean we should start a lizard pool for when you realize you need more?
//

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:41:09pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

Netflix.

108 darthstar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:43:13pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

PORN!

109 Jack Burton  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:43:23pm

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

BEST SOUTH PARK EVER!

The Sea People/Simpson’s Did It one or the Jew Scouts MCP Moses one?

110 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:43:30pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Netflix.

aka a godsend for Trek: Next Generation fans

111 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:43:55pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

re: #107 Targetpractice

Netflix.

Only kicker about Comcast is the 300 GB monthly cap (which is specific to the Nashville market and a few others near us); you get three months of exceeding that 300 GB cap in a calendar year without extra charges, but after that, it’s an extra $10/50 GB any month you go over.

I used my 2nd “grace” month last month; of course, I’m an atypical user.

112 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:44:54pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Greetings from Tennessee lizards!

Long time no see. Hope all is well!

113 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:46:34pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Long time no see. Hope all is well!

Wassup KT? I think about you every time I see frogs jumping across the roads during rain storms.

114 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:47:00pm

re: #110 Aqua Obama

aka a godsend for Trek: Next Generation fans

Make it so.

115 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:48:27pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Netflix.

I have all the bells and whistles from Comcast right now (benefits of being an employee)

116 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:48:34pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Make it so.

Engage!

117 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:49:07pm

re: #115 NJDhockeyfan

I have all the bells and whistles from Comcast right now (benefits of being an employee)

I thought you did mortgage work?

In any case, lucky bastage ;-P

118 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:49:49pm

“Master Po, why are you glowing green?”

119 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:51:52pm

re: #117 AlexRogan

I thought you did mortgage work?

My plan is to get back in it. I took the 20 hour course. I still have to take the tests for the licenses. It was one disaster after another with the selling of my house in Va and it put me behind. I will go after it this spring when the home sales go back up again. For now Ill just sell cable.

120 Lidane  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:53:08pm
121 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:53:18pm

I do not miss Virginia one bit.

122 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:53:39pm

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

My plan is to get back in it. I took the 20 hour course. I still have to take the tests for the licenses. It was one disaster after another with the selling of my house in Va and it put me behind. I will go after it this spring when the home sales go back up again. For now Ill just sell cable.

Since it’s Comcast, my condolences ;-P

You working at one of the service centers at the counter (MetroCenter or Hendersonville) or at the call center over by Opryland?

Anyway, good luck on getting your licenses done.

123 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:55:23pm

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

My plan is to get back in it. I took the 20 hour course. I still have to take the tests for the licenses. It was one disaster after another with the selling of my house in Va and it put me behind. I will go after it this spring when the home sales go back up again. For now Ill just sell cable.

BTW, I take it you did finally get your house sold?

124 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:55:28pm

re: #120 Lidane

It doesn’t even make any fucking sense.

125 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 7:55:53pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

I do not miss Virginia one bit.

I lived inside the Beltway for a few years. I have no desire to go back.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:00:22pm

re: #122 AlexRogan

Since it’s Comcast, my condolences ;-P

You working at one of the service centers at the counter (MetroCenter or Hendersonville) or at the call center over by Opryland?

Metro Center. A block from the Titan’s practice field. The players jog by sometimes.

127 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:01:39pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

Metro Center. A block from the Titan’s practice field. The players jog by sometimes.

Alas, I know that office well…

128 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:03:14pm

re: #123 AlexRogan

BTW, I take it you did finally get your house sold?

Yes. It took 4 months. The buyers got a govt loan…USDA. It kept getting delayed because they are behind on financing.

129 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:04:17pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I lived inside the Beltway for a few years. I have no desire to go back.

Charlottesville is boring. Nothing to do there. There is so much more here.

130 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:04:17pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

Yes. It took 4 months. The buyers got a govt loan…USDA. It kept getting delayed because they are behind on financing.

The Fed shutdown just pile on the misery or did you close before then?

131 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:04:34pm

re: #127 AlexRogan

Alas, I know it well…

Where are you?

132 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:05:19pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

Welcome back! Missed you!!!!

133 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:05:37pm

re: #131 NJDhockeyfan

Where are you?

Inglewood.

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:05:57pm

re: #128 NJDhockeyfan

Glad to have you back, buddy.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:06:19pm

re: #122 AlexRogan

Since it’s Comcast, my condolences ;-P

Comcast is a big improvement over DirecTV. I love the OnDemand service. I just watched Slap Shot the other day.

136 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:06:46pm

LOL!

137 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:06:59pm

re: #132 Dancing along the light of day

Welcome back! Missed you!!!!

Aint you sweet! TY :)

138 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:07:56pm

Nice job Alberta

Central Alberta school trustee accused of racist, homophobic tweets

A central Alberta school trustee, accused of tweeting racist, sexist and homophobic material, says he regrets his behaviour, but will not step down.

Jim Andre, a newly-elected trustee for the Battle River School Division based in Camrose, tweeted and retweeted profane comments and jokes denigrating black people, Jewish people and others.

“The real crime of Aushwitz? All those carbon emissions,” — retweeted May 19th from an account labelled TheFunnyRacist.

139 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:08:02pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Glad to have you back, buddy.

Thanks. I’ve been meaning to get on here but there is so much to do here. I’m still unpacking.

140 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:09:43pm

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

I moved a year ago & still have unpacked boxes….

141 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:10:26pm

I’ve been staying away from the news. I’m just taking in the all the scenery and checking out what’s around here without listening to all the drama in Washington. It’s refreshing.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:11:48pm

re: #133 AlexRogan

Inglewood.

Shit, you’re like 10-15 minutes away from me.

143 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:12:58pm

re: #140 Dancing along the light of day

I moved a year ago & still have unpacked boxes….

I’m finding stuff I haven’t seen in years. Funny how that happens.

144 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:13:33pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

LOL!

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Well, at least they’re not saying its an exclusive.

145 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:14:09pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Does plagiarism fall under the definition of libertarianism or something?

146 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:14:19pm

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Comcast is a big improvement over DirecTV. I love the OnDemand service. I just watched Slap Shot the other day.

Don’t get me wrong…when everything’s up and running, Comcast is great. It’s pretty reliable and I’ve have had very few service interruptions over the past few years. However, I did just go back to DirecTV for TV and kept Comcast for internet a couple of months ago after a year-and-a-half of playing the Comcast bundle grab bag.

It’s just dealing with Comcast’s customer service over the phone; it’s really soul-sucking; if I get an American operator (like one here in Nashville), it’s not so bad, but whenever I get an overseas operator, I’m ready to commit seppuku by the end of the call.

And they almost always screw something up.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:17:01pm

re: #146 AlexRogan

Don’t get me wrong…when everything’s up and running, Comcast is great. It’s pretty reliable and I’ve have had very few service interruptions over the past few years.

It’s just dealing with Comcast’s customer service over the phone; it’s really soul-sucking; if I get an American operator (like one here in Nashville), it’s not so bad, but whenever I get an overseas operator, I’m ready to commit seppuku by the end of the call.

And they almost almost screw something up.

That’s the biggest complaint I hear. They do suck with customer service. I have all my customers call me if they need anything. I makes them happier and I get referrals from it.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:18:09pm

Have we lost any lizards since I was gone?

149 jaunte  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:20:11pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

150 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:21:44pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Have we lost any lizards since I was gone?

No, but Sideways Guark spent most of the day being an ass on this Page. He lost more than 200 points of karma in less than 24 hours.

151 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:21:55pm
152 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:22:02pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

And fabrications about Israel abound. It’s going to take better evidence than this trace of a byproduct analysis way too late after the fact of death to convince me it was poison at all. Then we would still have no evidence as to who did it.

153 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:22:36pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Have we lost any lizards since I was gone?

Not that I’m aware, but we have a minor Lizard regular (Sideways Quark) working on it on the “Marvel Muslim teen girl hero” thread in the Pages right now.

154 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:25:38pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

No, but Sideways Guark spent most of the day being an ass on this Page. He lost more than 200 points of karma in less than 24 hours.

re: #153 AlexRogan

Not that I’m aware, but we have a minor Lizard regular (Sideways Quark) working on it on the “Marvel Muslim teen girl hero” thread in the Pages right now.

I made it as far as post #40 . That’s all I need to see.

155 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:27:20pm

One thing that different around here is all the churches, gun stores, and fireworks shops. There is at least one of them around every corner.

156 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:28:19pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

Shit, you’re like 10-15 minutes away from me.

Live in Inglewood, work near 100 Oaks.

There ought to be a Nashville-area Lizard meetup, maybe after the holidays. I believe there’s a few others.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:30:56pm

re: #156 AlexRogan

There ought to be a Nashville-area Lizard meetup, maybe after the holidays. I believe there’s a few others.

I’m in. Know a good pub?

158 Joanne  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:31:17pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

LOL!

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Perfect match. A fourth rate politician writing for an even lesser rate website. Priceless.

159 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:31:21pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

Have we lost any lizards since I was gone?

i never lose my lizard

160 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:35:15pm
161 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:35:46pm

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

I’m in. Know a good pub?

Not a big drinker myself, but I’m open for suggestions.

162 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:38:43pm

His wife did it. I bet she wanted out.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:40:04pm

re: #161 AlexRogan

Not a big drinker myself, but I’m open for suggestions.

My first day in the field I met a beautiful Irish woman who swears by this place. It’s on my list to try out.

McNamara’s Irish Pub & Restaurant

164 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:43:18pm

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

My first day in the field I met a beautiful Irish woman who swears by this place. It’s on my list to try out.

McNamara’s Irish Pub & Restaurant

locals tell me nicknames include ‘gnashville’ and ‘nashvegas’

165 Lidane  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:44:41pm

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

BEST SOUTH PARK EVER!

Poor Kyle. All that suffering for no reason.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:45:47pm
167 Lidane  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:46:20pm

re: #145 Aqua Obama

Does plagiarism fall under the definition of libertarianism or something?

Sure. It’s not like plagiarism causes acutal harm or anything.

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168 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:53:53pm

Go to Google Earth and type in 52.376552,5.198303. What do you think is going on at the end of that pier?

169 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 8:59:03pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Longtime no see.

170 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:00:47pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Longtime no see.

I’ve been on a journey and I think I’ve found civilization.

171 Interesting Times  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:05:38pm

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

Go to Google Earth and type in 52.376552,5.198303. What do you think is going on at the end of that pier?

Wet dog.

172 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:09:39pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

LOL!

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Washington Times fired him. So this is what happens when one is demoted for plagiarism.

173 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:11:04pm

re: #163 NJDhockeyfan

My first day in the field I met a beautiful Irish woman who swears by this place. It’s on my list to try out.

McNamara’s Irish Pub & Restaurant

I’ve heard McNamara’s is pretty good, but I’ve not been there myself.

The Uncle Bud’s a few doors up has some good catfish and shrimp (with hush puppies and white beans), however.

P.S.: if you love wings, go to Wing Basket in Rivergate; the wings and tenders are good, their sauce selection is insane, and their fries are out-of-the-park.

174 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:11:49pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Greetings from Tennessee lizards!

Welcome back.

175 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:15:11pm

Sleepy time.
Later.

176 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:23:29pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

You know how I can tell you didn’t read the report?

I was reading around page 60m about the lead indications. And I read this

CNN

The Swiss center pointed out some caveats:

— The testing was based on “very small specimens.” The center noted that blood, urine and other specimens were destroyed after Arafat’s hospitalization.

— Eight years passed between the death and the exhumation. Because polonium-210 has a half-life of just 138 days, its detection after eight years is “very difficult and subject to uncertainties.”

— The “chain of custody” of Arafat’s personal effects — from the time he died and when the center began to study them in 2012 — is unclear, it said.

Paddy Regan, a professor of radionuclide metrology in the physics department at the University of Surrey in Guildford, England, agreed that the years that have elapsed since Arafat’s death make it more difficult to estimate how much isotope was there originally.

“It’s like a blindfolded man holding the tail of an elephant and using that to estimate the weight of the elephant,” Regan told CNN in a telephone interview. “You can do it, but there is a huge amount of extrapolation involved.”

177 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:31:06pm

re: #164 dog philosopher

locals tell me nicknames include ‘gnashville’ and ‘nashvegas’

“Gnashville” is a Nashville Predators marketing thing (“Gnash” is the Predators’ mascot).

“Nash Vegas”…well, that’s a thing that’s been around a long time.

178 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:34:01pm

re: #160 bratwurst

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The MV Blue Marlin, the same ship-shipping ship that brought the damaged USS Cole back home from Yemen.

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179 Kragar  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:35:53pm
180 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:37:21pm

re: #177 AlexRogan

“Gnashville” is a Nashville Predators marketing thing (“Gnash” is the Predators’ mascot).

“Nash Vegas”…well, that’s a thing that’s been around a long time.

I spent four hours in your airport five years ago. I liked it, except for the part about getting home four hours later.

181 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:39:45pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

I spent four hours in your airport five years ago. I liked it, except for the part about getting home four hours later.

I’ve spent a few hours in your airport too, on three different trips to and from Philmont Scout Ranch in Cimarron over the past 11-12 years; the Albuquerque Sunport is fairly nice.

DIA and DFW are total zoos.

182 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:43:20pm

re: #179 Kragar

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Just wait ‘til the Dove Awards…

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183 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:43:32pm

re: #181 AlexRogan

I’ve spent a few hours in your airport too, on a couple of different trips; the Albuquerque Sunport is fairly nice.

DIA and DFW are total zoos.

Cool, I’ll have to go to the Sunport some time. I always use El Paso. I love it. It’s like a beautiful train station. Has lizards all over it.

184 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:44:50pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

Cool, I’ll have to go to the Sunport some time. I always use El Paso. I love it. It’s like a beautiful train station. Has lizards all over it.

Ahhh, I though you were in/close to ABQ or Santa Fe.

185 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:53:35pm

re: #184 AlexRogan

Ahhh, I though you were in/close to ABQ or Santa Fe.

It’s a bi i i i i i i ig state. 5 hours to Albuquerque.

186 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:53:53pm
187 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:54:44pm

re: #179 Kragar

Jesus has had more mentions at the Country Music Awards than Allah at a suicide bomber convention.

So my ex once brought home a Toby Keith Album (not grounds for a divorce per se, she generally had better taste in music), “White Trash with Money” (2006)

Three things stuck me about the album:

-on the back cover it said it was dedicated to Jesus Christ,

-it contained a song “There Ain’t no Right Way to do a Wrong Thing”, a song about moral absolutism,

and ended with the song “Running Block”, about fucking drunk fat girls in a motel room.

188 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 9:56:35pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

It’s a bi i i i i i i ig state. 5 hours to Albuquerque.

Oh, I know NM’s big…I’ve been there 4 times over the past twenty years to Philmont and the Sangre de Cristos.

The three-hour ride from ABQ to Cimarron (or vice versa) is pretty, but long.

189 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:02:51pm

re: #188 AlexRogan

Oh, I know NM’s big…I’ve been there 4 times over the past twenty years.

The three-hour drive from ABQ to Cimarron (or vice versa) is pretty, but long.

I did that on a bike in 1986. Not in one day.

190 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:06:47pm

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

How was the fatal dose delivered?

Butt chugging.

191 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:17:27pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

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192 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:19:54pm

Praise Jesus!

193 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:20:05pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

I did that on a bike in 1986. Not in one day.

Image: baldy2011_pano.jpg

That’s the view from Baldy Mountain towards the south, overlooking Ute Park with Touch-Me-Not Mountain off to the right; it was hell getting up there (I’ve hiked to the top of Baldy twice), but it is a great view.

194 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:23:21pm

re: #193 AlexRogan

Image: baldy2011_pano.jpg

That’s the view from Baldy Mountain towards the south, overlooking Ute Park with Touch-Me-Not Mountain off to the right; it was hell getting up there (my second time on top of the mountain), but it is a great view.

Spectacular.

195 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:25:27pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

Spectacular.

If I ever become independently wealthy, I’d get a second home as close to Philmont and the Sangre de Cristos as possible.

196 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:27:50pm
197 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:30:19pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

LOL

198 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:41:22pm

Well, only one nation has been recorded as using Polonium-210 as an assassination tool.

So, what reasons would Russia have against Arafat?

199 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:42:16pm

Far out. That cat is heavy.

200 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:43:58pm

re: #198 ProTARDISLiberal

So, what reasons would Russia have against Arafat?

The best vodka collection this side of Arkhangel’skaya

201 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:44:58pm

Ahoddy chain of evidence. Tons of opportunities to tamper with the body for whatever reason. Hard to take this report at face value.

But it makes for a media buzz, the Interwebs are all a-twitter over it, and that is what modern journalism is all about.

202 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:45:09pm

re: #187 Sol Berdinowitz

So my ex once brought home a Toby Keith Album (not grounds for a divorce per se, she generally had better taste in music), “White Trash with Money” (2006)

Three things stuck me about the album:

-on the back cover it said it was dedicated to Jesus Christ,

-it contained a song “There Ain’t no Right Way to do a Wrong Thing”, a song about moral absolutism,

and ended with the song “Running Block”, about fucking drunk fat girls in a motel room.

But JESUS!

203 piratedan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:48:13pm

re: #198 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, only one nation has been recorded as using Polonium-210 as an assassination tool.

So, what reasons would Russia have against Arafat?

well a middle east that can’t find peace allows Russia to still be a player by means of their proxy Syria by keeping Israel an extreme military entity paranoid about their borders. A peaceful Palestinian-Israel situation would allow outreach from Egypt/Jordan and who knows maybe even Lebanon. Perhaps taking away some of the fertile growing fields where future terrorists are sown.

More conflict, more weapons sold, more of an opportunity for the US to step on its crank.

Not saying that they did it, but completely implausible? Given the history of the region and the decades of conflict…. who knows… it could all just be bs….

204 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:53:48pm

re: #202 GlutenFreeJesus

But JESUS!

Do you think Constantine the Great was into illicit hotel sex?

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:54:27pm

re: #202 GlutenFreeJesus

But JESUS!

A long time ago, turn of the 80’s or so, I was hitchhiking in Arizona. Got picked up by a piggy-eyed young fellow, who announced within minutes that he was a born-again Christian.

Fine, I thought, try to keep the discussion neutral. But within minutes he was telling me about the chick he had picked up at the Wedndesday night prayer meeting, took tome, got drunk and fucked.

And other tales of women he picked up at the Baptist church, took home, got drunk and fucked. I realized that his born-againedness was his was of hitting on fat chicks, getting them drunk and fucking them in motel rooms.

Praise Jesus!!!

206 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:57:29pm

re: #205 Sol Berdinowitz

And other tales of women he picked up at the Baptist church, took home, got drunk and fucked. I realized that his born-aginedness was his was of hitting on fat chicks, getting them drunk and fucking them in motel rooms.

Was his name Elmer Gantry, by any chance?

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 10:58:58pm

re: #206 Aqua Obama

Was his name Elmer Gantry, by any chance?

I also recalled the preacher from The Grapes of Wrath

208 Flavia  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:09:05pm

re: #6 jaunte

Who inherited his money?

The one who says she’s grieving for him all over again. 900 million of it.

209 Flavia  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:10:18pm

re: #13 b.d.

There’s a long list of people who wanted him dead. The only people we can exclude, at this point, are people under 9 years old.

And me, because if I could have done it, I wouldn’t have waited that long.

210 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:10:52pm

Sunday Assembly founders launch ‘atheist church’ in Nashville

A fast-growing, worldwide congregation of atheists picked an unlikely spot to try and launch a new group.

It’s Nashville. Where the Southern Baptist Convention is headquartered. Where Christian authors go to avail themselves of a vast publishing network. Where the faithful drive past several churches in their denomination on Sunday to attend just the right one.

But the founders of Sunday Assembly, British comedians Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, say they’re looking forward to visiting the fledgling group personally Thursday. In fact, Jones said, he’d even like to learn something about church planting from Nashville’s experts and buy a few books on the subject.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:15:08pm

Which one is cuter?


212 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:15:16pm

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Sunday Assembly founders launch ‘atheist church’ in Nashville

This misses the point…scratch the surface of any true Bryan Fischerite, and you will find a theocrat who will tell you that Christianity should have a favored status in the USA because we were founded as a Christian Nation under God and our Constitution is preceded and superseded by Biblical Principles, etc.

213 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:15:34pm

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Sunday Assembly founders launch ‘atheist church’ in Nashville

The comments on that article are surprisingly civil

214 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:17:59pm

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

The teddy bear!

215 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:20:10pm

And with that I’m going to bed. Glad to be back!

216 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:24:05pm

Just you wait, Hipster Shorts Robespierre will hold court at the Nashville Parthenon, burning money and building intricate skull pyramids.

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:31:50pm

re: #216 Aqua Obama

Just you wait, Hipster Shorts Robespierre will hold court at the Nashville Parthenon, burning money and building intricate skull pyramids.

It is a slippery slope from atheism to human sacrifice, as any selective interpretation of history will demonstrate.

218 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:32:16pm

North Texas Non-Profit Declines Donation From Inked Moms

A group of North Texas mothers came up with an interesting idea to raise money for a local charity. But the organization on the receiving told the group, “no thank you.” It’s the reason why they turned down the money that has a lot of people talking.

The Children’s Advocacy Center for Denton County investigates physical and sexual abuse of children. Officials there admit that the organization has outgrown its current building and is in need of money.

The group that named themselves the Tattooed Hippie Pirate Mommas came up with the idea for a pinup calendar, featuring them posing in 1950s style fashions. Sales from the calendar were to benefit the Children’s Advocacy Center and group members say they were surprised to get an email respectfully declining the donation.

Willingham said she was appalled and disappointed. “The way it came across is, ‘we’re conservative. We don’t want your money.’”

Daniel Leal, the executive director for the center, explained that it wasn’t the group, but the photos that could be taken out of context. “It was a pinup calendar that could be perceived as sexual in nature,” he said.

I guess “Tattooed Hippie Pirate Mommas” probably covers at least half of the seven deadly sins in Denton.

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:46:57pm

re: #218 Aqua Obama

North Texas Non-Profit Declines Donation From Inked Moms

I guess “Tattooed Hippie Pirate Mommas” probably covers at least half of the seven deadly sins in Denton.

Tatooed women do not turn me on at all.

220 piratedan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:47:23pm

re: #218 Aqua Obama

North Texas Non-Profit Declines Donation From Inked Moms

I guess “Tattooed Hippie Pirate Mommas” probably covers at least half of the seven deadly sins in Denton.

sounds like those uppity bitches are more concerned with their bonafides than they are in actually helping the kids, what a bunch of hypocrites…..

221 Aqua Obama  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:49:40pm

Once Again, a Black Person Is Shot and Killed While Looking for Help

Renisha McBride, a 19-year-old from Detroit, is presumed to have been asking for help when she knocked on the door of a Dearborn Heights home at 2:30 A.M. on Saturday. McBride’s family says McBride had been in a car accident and her cellphone was dead. Rather than offering shelter to McBride, however, the homeowner came out and shot her in the head with a shotgun. The buckshot entered McBride’s head from the back, according to statements from her aunt, as the girl had already turned to walk or run away from the home. Police reports say the teenager was found dead on the home’s front porch.

Michigan is a “stand your ground” state.

222 piratedan  Wed, Nov 6, 2013 11:57:46pm

re: #221 Aqua Obama

Once Again, a Black Person Is Shot and Killed While Looking for Help

Michigan is a “stand your ground” state.

gonna be hard to justify standing your ground with shooting an unarmed black girl in the back of the head

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 12:16:44am

re: #222 piratedan

gonna be hard to justify standing your ground with shooting an unarmed black girl in the back of the head

back of the head? whoa, did not catch that in original report.

still, she is guilty of KOAWPDWB: knocking on a white person’s door while black…

224 sagehen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 12:18:39am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Sunday Assembly founders launch ‘atheist church’ in Nashville

so… a regular brunch, maybe a big-screen TV to watch the game, with people who won’t God you, most of them agree with your politics and a lot of them went to college?

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 12:24:17am

re: #224 sagehen

so… a regular brunch, maybe a big-screen TV to watch the game, with people who won’t God you, most of them agree with your politics and a lot of them went to college?

Pretty much what you get with the Unitarian Universalists. Athiests who are still interested in religion.

226 The Dude Abides  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 1:29:04am

Arafat never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Anyway, this bit of news reminded me of something that I never read about regarding the Palestine/Israel peace issue. Why is it that we’re always hearing about a two-state solution, but never a three-state solution? The three states being Gaza, West Bank, and Israel. It would seem to eliminate a few logistical problems that the two-state solution would create.

227 Aqua Obama  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 1:58:42am

Rob Ford, Steven Harper, and now this

This Is a Video of Justin Bieber in Bed

228 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 2:02:13am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

Tatooed women do not turn me on at all.

re: #220 piratedan

sounds like those uppity bitches are more concerned with their bonafides than they are in actually helping the kids, what a bunch of hypocrites…..

This is taking us back to the atheist vs soup kitchen shtick. (And again we’re getting a filtered story.) Reasonable people could make a strategic decision that their organization, fighting sexual abuse, doesn’t want to be linked to a sexy calendar. Some of it just sounds like a clash between ‘high seriousness’ and ‘clever sense of humor’.

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 2:34:12am

re: #228 Decatur Deb

This is taking us back to the atheist vs soup kitchen shtick. (And again we’re getting a filtered story.) Reasonable people could make a strategic decision that their organization, fighting sexual abuse, doesn’t want to be linked to a sexy calendar. Some of it just sounds like a clash between ‘high seriousness’ and ‘clever sense of humor’.

I am sure the tatooed ladies could find another charity that is more open to their approach.

231 Kragar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 2:54:06am

On election night coverage:

Aasif Mandvi: “I think its smart political analysis”

Jason Jones: “Shrewd expertise.”

Al Madrigal : “Making up Bullshit because there is no consequence for being wrong.”

232 freetoken  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 2:58:57am
233 freetoken  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:05:27am
234 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:10:52am

re: #219 Sol Berdinowitz

Tatooed women do not turn me on at all.

re: #220 piratedan

sounds like those uppity bitches are more concerned with their bonafides than they are in actually helping the kids, what a bunch of hypocrites…..

This is taking us back to the atheist vs soup kitchen shtick. (And again we’re getting a filtered story.) Reasonable people could make a strategic decision that their organization, fighting sexual abuse, doesn’t want to be linked to a sexy calendar. Some of it just sounds like a clash between ‘high seriousness’ and ‘clever sense of humor’.re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

I am sure the tatooed ladies could find another charity that is more open to their approach.

Should be easy to find one—food bank, etc. where there is no likely blow-back. Yet it becomes an effort to put out hostile vibes in the press, kids be damned.

235 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:44:25am

Not good news for the Philippines. This is the biggest storm on earth this year.

Super typhoon Haiyan aims at Philippines; ‘significant loss of life’ predicted

worldnews.nbcnews.com

“Thousands of villagers fled as the most powerful storm on the planet this year approached the Philippines on Thursday.

“Super typhoon Haiyan had wind speeds of up to 170 mph and was rated as a category-five storm early Thursday, according to Weather Channel lead meteorologist Michael Palmer.

“He warned that the storm was likely to cause widespread devastation and “a significant loss of life.”

236 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:50:10am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Not good news for the Philippines. This is the biggest storm on earth this year.

Super typhoon Haiyan aims at Philippines; ‘significant loss of life’ predicted

worldnews.nbcnews.com

“Thousands of villagers fled as the most powerful storm on the planet this year approached the Philippines on Thursday.

“Super typhoon Haiyan had wind speeds of up to 170 mph and was rated as a category-five storm early Thursday, according to Weather Channel lead meteorologist Michael Palmer.

“He warned that the storm was likely to cause widespread devastation and “a significant loss of life.”

Free upding for the first lizard to link a religious fundamentalist calling this God’s punishment for something he (the fundamentlist) does not approve of…

237 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:50:57am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Not good news for the Philippines. This is the biggest storm on earth this year.

Super typhoon Haiyan aims at Philippines; ‘significant loss of life’ predicted

worldnews.nbcnews.com

“Thousands of villagers fled as the most powerful storm on the planet this year approached the Philippines on Thursday.

“Super typhoon Haiyan had wind speeds of up to 170 mph and was rated as a category-five storm early Thursday, according to Weather Channel lead meteorologist Michael Palmer.

“He warned that the storm was likely to cause widespread devastation and “a significant loss of life.”

Two possible explanations

1. Global warming

2. God’s punishing the Filipinos for something.

Discuss.

238 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:54:03am

re: #236 Sol Berdinowitz

You and I had the same thought about 47 seconds apart.

239 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 3:55:05am

re: #236 Sol Berdinowitz

Free upding for the first lizard to link a religious fundamentalist calling this God’s punishment for something he (the fundamentlist) does not approve of…

BTW, I don’t like tattooed men, either. But this whole calendar bit is pretty stupid publicity. Both sides should just STFU. The only ones losing are the kids while the adults fight. What kind of examples are either setting?

The photos weren’t bad, but they weren’t that good, either. And right, you’re not models.

“We are moms, not models, who are bonded together for support and love, as we raise our children,” Willingham told KERA. “We’re not focused on what other people think about us. We’re too busy trying to make a difference to notice.”

keranews.org

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:12:16am

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

It’s got sex, religion, kids, righteousness and great potential for moral indignation on both sides.

In other words, the ideal news story.

241 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:29:01am

Yeah Bryan, they’re getting the word out that you’re batshit fucking insane

242 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:31:40am

re: #240 Sol Berdinowitz

It’s got sex, religion, kids, righteousness and great potential for moral indignation on both sides.

In other words, the ideal news story.

Maybe if a charity worker shot up a tattoo parlor at the mall….

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:32:17am

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

Yeah Bryan, they’re getting the word out that you’re batshit fucking insane

RightWingWatch helps me get the word out about how to cleanse your home of dark spirits.

I recall even going to a talk with the local Campus Crusade for Christ guys on our dorm floor, and as soon as they started talking about demons and spirits, I told them to keep their medieval superstitions and left.

244 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:38:27am

I love your early morning news Justanotherhuman.

245 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:40:20am

Anyone else watch South Park last night?

246 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:42:11am

Any good
?

247 Aqua Obama  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:48:05am
248 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:50:32am

re: #247 Aqua Obama

Image: VrNEVf6.jpg

And it’s bullshit too.

Image: download.jpg

249 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:50:49am

CONFIRMED. FACT.

250 Aqua Obama  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:53:25am

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

CONFIRMED. FACT.

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AAAAnnnnd…. the legislature authorizes the money…

Nah, let’s blame him anyway.

251 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:54:36am

re: #250 Aqua Obama

AAAAnnnnd…. the legislature authorizes the money…

Nah, let’s blame him anyway.

I’m sure Bush’s two wars cost more than Obama’s vacations but HURR HURR

252 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:55:21am

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what to do with it. It’s a whole new world.

Here’s a good start.

253 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:56:30am

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

Yeah Bryan, they’re getting the word out that you’re batshit fucking insane

Bryan recommends only clear spirits, like gin and vodka. Whisky and dark rum are out!

254 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:57:16am

re: #124 Aqua Obama

It doesn’t even make any fucking sense.

Suicide by cop in the digital age.

255 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 4:58:54am

re: #145 Aqua Obama

Does plagiarism fall under the definition of libertarianism or something?

If it lets a person get away with doing wrong, it’s libertarianism.

256 Aqua Obama  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:00:14am

So, things are heating up in Rob Ford’s world. One of his staffers quit:

Barnett was one of the staffers who was with Ford during his drunken St. Patrick’s Day party in his City Hall office back in 2012.

The night included Ford knocking Brooks off his feet in an apparent rage, jumping on his giant Cut the Waist challenge scale and stripping off his clothes, smashing his cellphone on the wall, crying uncontrollably and even throwing racial slurs and his business cards at a cab driver.

Amazing.

257 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:00:36am

re: #250 Aqua Obama

AAAAnnnnd…. the legislature authorizes the money…

Nah, let’s blame him anyway.

More than that, congress actually spends most of the money through Warranted Contracting Officers in each agency, operating under the Federal Acquisition Regulations. Accountant Porn.

en.wikipedia.org

258 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:01:11am

re: #254 Romantic Heretic

Suicide by cop in the digital age.

so the n-word gets deleted on the posts but not in a twitter link?

aha! found the work-around!!!

/

259 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:03:44am
260 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:07:38am

re: #258 Sol Berdinowitz

so the n-word gets deleted on the posts but not in a twitter link?

aha! found the work-around!!!

/

Actually, if we quote it into a post it gets asterisked, but shows up in Spy. A ‘glitch’.

261 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:17:14am

How many things wrong with this Time cover?


Something for everybody…

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:18:28am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

How many things wrong with this Time cover?

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Something for everybody…

Scary Fat Guy Shadow!

263 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:20:50am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

How come the theme from the old Alfred Hitchcock show just played in my mind!?!?!
/

264 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:21:48am

Rain Rain
Go Away
I Want To
Play Some Golf Today!

265 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:24:20am

Wheee! My latest ebook got a five star review at Amazon!

Just the thing to start the day. *grin*

266 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:24:21am

What 20-somethings get rich off this one?


Dudebros with money. Scary as shit.

267 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:24:51am

Christie’s temper makes him weak and it’s been long running and well documented. Images of him yelling at women won’t help him. Clinton will know just what to do with this guy.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:25:21am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

How many things wrong with this Time cover?


Something for everybody…

And articles on the subject by the usual suspects.

269 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:26:37am

Shouldn’t be calling out an elephant with Christie on the cover. Jesus don’t people even try?

270 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:27:14am

re: #268 Feline Fearless Leader

And articles on the subject by the usual suspects gang of idiots.

Just sayin’

271 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:27:45am

Twitter’s IPO is supposed to start at $26/share today.

Let’s see if it’s puffed up like FB was. And get ready for ads and changes.

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:28:33am

Good morning Lizards. Overcast and 50s (F) in Philadelphia.

Back to the normal office grind after three days of virtual training class (viewed from home). Good to not be cooped up in the apartment all day. Not so good to come in to face a 3-day backlog of minor tasks to be handled.

Also need to deal with invoices for this training class and the one next week. Fun Fun Fun.

273 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:29:16am

Flashing toenail fungus spam 24/7 on the smartphone.

274 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:30:11am

re: #120 Lidane

275 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:35:52am

re: #274 darthstar

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Too late. He sounds about 13, though, if you check his twitter acct. Don’t think it was a hack, either.

276 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:39:03am

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

Too late. He sounds about 13, though, if you check his twitter acct. Don’t think it was a hack, either.

Yep. I hope someone in the SS has the time to make a courtesy call to his parents to ask if they have any registered weapons in the house and if their son has ever mentioned assassination in the past…you know, just so they can close their files on the rest of the family.

I’m mean, aren’t I?

277 b.d.  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:39:06am

Now: I love Twitter I’m going to buy some Twitter stock.

Later: My Twitter stock is deflated, they need to sell ads everywhere to generate revenue.

278 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:39:58am

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

Too late. He sounds about 13, though, if you check his twitter acct. Don’t think it was a hack, either.

Then they should send a motherly agent with milk and cookies. Takes a couple pounds to pull a trigger.

279 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:44:04am

LOLWUT

280 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:45:03am

re: #275 Justanotherhuman

Too late. He sounds about 13, though, if you check his twitter acct. Don’t think it was a hack, either.

If you look at the time line it looks like he sent it during the CMA and they did an Obamacare song that was less than flattering. Just speculating.

Youtube Video

281 b.d.  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:50:46am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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Pedophilia!?!?!? Where the hell did that charge come from?

282 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:51:33am


Read the whole thing. I’m crying over this paragraph.

As meditators, we had prepared for this - how to move the energy up from the belly and into the heart and out through the head. I have never seen an expression as full of wonder as Lou’s as he died. His hands were doing the water-flowing 21-form of tai chi. His eyes were wide open. I was holding in my arms the person I loved the most in the world, and talking to him as he died. His heart stopped. He wasn’t afraid. I had gotten to walk with him to the end of the world. Life - so beautiful, painful and dazzling - does not get better than that. And death? I believe that the purpose of death is the release of love.

Read more: rollingstone.com
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

283 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:55:15am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

LOLWUT

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That deserves a reply…even though he’s blocked me.

284 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:55:25am

re: #281 b.d.

Pedophilia!?!?!? Where the hell did that charge come from?

Lavabit being investigated for enabling child pr0n is all I can think of.

285 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:56:31am

re: #283 darthstar

That deserves a reply…even though he’s blocked me.

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If he’s blocked you he’s not going to see your Tweet unless you post it to a hashtag that you know he follows.

286 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:16am
287 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:38am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

If he’s blocked you he’s not going to see your Tweet unless you post it to a hashtag that you know he follows.

I posted it to #Snowden - for his followers.

288 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:54am

I think he’s alluding to the secret international stings authorities use to break up pedophile rings.

289 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:02:08am

re: #288 Amory Blaine

I think he’s alluding to the secret international stings authorities use to break up pedophile rings.

290 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:04:12am

re: #283 darthstar

He’s blocked you? How… petty.

I’m not blocked… so far…. so I’ve retweeted.

Greenwald makes tons of unsubstantiated statements and treats them as fact, when they are no such thing. It’s a habit with him.

291 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:05:25am

re: #290 lawhawk

He’s blocked you? How… petty.

I’m not blocked… so far…. so I’ve retweeted.

Greenwald makes tons of unsubstantiated statements and treats them as fact, when they are no such thing. It’s a habit with him.

CONFIRMED. FACT.

292 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:05:32am

Even with Christie winning re-election. It wasn’t approval of his policies. It was an affirmation of him as a leader. That’s not going to work nationally. And Christie can act like the problem is Washington blah blah and point fingers at both POTUS and Congress but the fact of the matter is most of the discord in Washington is the fault of the Republicans who sought to ruin Obama from the get go. Christie didn’t have that in Jersey.

293 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:01am

Remember this guy?

294 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:27am

re: #290 lawhawk

He’s blocked you? How… petty.

I’m not blocked… so far…. so I’ve retweeted.

Greenwald makes tons of unsubstantiated statements and treats them as fact, when they are no such thing. It’s a habit with him.

He blocked me in May when the Snowden story first started - he said he’d been working with Snowden for months and I asked if he was admitting he helped conspire to steal classified intel.

Blocked.

295 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:47am

I think DS has Greenwald down pretty well. A guy who loves to be taken seriously. The kind of guy who when you were a kid would claim he’d eat dog shit if you gave him 10 bucks and then when you refused to do so, he said you made him eat the dog shit.

296 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:53am

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

How many things wrong with this Time cover?

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Something for everybody…

You’re talking about Time, so they consider it a win, regardless of the merits/demerits of the cover - and alluding to Christie as the elephant (both in relation to his weight and his hard-charging political style).

Because they’ve done something that gets them eyeballs.

297 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:04am

re: #290 lawhawk

And thanks for the RT

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:14am
299 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:42am

re: #294 darthstar

He blocked me in May when the Snowden story first started - he said he’d been working with Snowden for months and I asked if he was admitting he helped conspire to steal classified intel.

Blocked.

Glenn blocked me after I Tweeted that he was dressing up as a journalist for Halloween.

MJ Rosenberg blocked me for calling him a dweeb.

300 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:09:05am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

The kids are ghosts, not klan.

301 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:09:59am

re: #300 darthstar

The kids are ghosts, not klan.

Kid picturedin the article is a klan member. Note the cross. Errr that’s phrased poorly. I mean to say he’s dressed like a KKK member not that he’s a member himself.

302 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:10:22am

re: #294 darthstar

He blocked me in May when the Snowden story first started - he said he’d been working with Snowden for months and I asked if he was admitting he helped conspire to steal classified intel.

Blocked.

Damn, the truth must hurt…

303 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:10:50am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Even with Christie winning re-election. It wasn’t approval of his policies. It was an affirmation of him as a leader. That’s not going to work nationally. And Christie can act like the problem is Washington blah blah and point fingers at both POTUS and Congress but the fact of the matter is most of the discord in Washington is the fault of the Republicans who sought to ruin Obama from the get go. Christie didn’t have that in Jersey.

Christie railed against Boehner and the GOP for blocking Sandy aid for 91 days after the storm came ashore, refusing to act on even restoring funding to cover the NFIP, which affects communities across the entire country, not just in NJ.

The shutdown was on the GOP. The delay in Sandy aid was all on the GOP. No one else to blame there.

In NJ, the Democrats here don’t see eye to eye with the Gov, but they’ve not stopped all government operations and blocked everything proposed or legislated. The one area where the Democrats aren’t yielding are on judicial nominees to the State Supreme Court, and they’ll end up working out some kind of a deal there too.

Executives have the right to nominate who they see fit, and as long as they’re qualified, they should be confirmed. It’s a perk of winning. It’s why elections matter.

304 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:11:04am
305 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:11:32am

This is good news.

EU court: homosexuality can be grounds for asylum

bigstory.ap.org

Ahead of the US in this.

306 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:11:45am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Kid picturedin the article is a klan member. Note the cross.

I tend to avoid articles about the Klan. Don’t have enough interest in them to care about their troubles.

307 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:13:05am

re: #303 lawhawk

Christie railed against Boehner and the GOP for blocking Sandy aid for 91 days after the storm came ashore, refusing to act on even restoring funding to cover the NFIP, which affects communities across the entire country, not just in NJ.

The shutdown was on the GOP. The delay in Sandy aid was all on the GOP. No one else to blame there.

In NJ, the Democrats here don’t see eye to eye with the Gov, but they’ve not stopped all government operations and blocked everything proposed or legislated. The one area where the Democrats aren’t yielding are on judicial nominees to the State Supreme Court, and they’ll end up working out some kind of a deal there too.

Executives have the right to nominate who they see fit, and as long as they’re qualified, they should be confirmed. It’s a perk of winning. It’s why elections matter.

Which I think shows you that Christie paradoxically gets better locally as he ends up screwing his chances with the national GOP. I’ve said this before albeit poorly phrased but I don’t see Christie’s “Jersey style” working with an increasing rural GOP who has hostility to the cities and coasts. That is to say what works in Jersey may not work in Iowa.

308 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:13:14am

re: #306 darthstar

I tend to avoid articles about the Klan. Don’t have enough interest in them to care about their troubles.

You must not have any in walking distance.

309 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:14:56am

DERP!

310 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:15:24am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Which I think shows you that Christie paradoxically gets better locally as he ends up screwing his chances with the national GOP. I’ve said this before albeit poorly phrased but I don’t see Christie’s “Jersey style” working with an increasing rural GOP who has hostility to the cities and coasts. That is to say what works in Jersey may not work in Iowa.

Or in the south, either. Believe me, the “goddamn Yankees” meme still gets traction here. Plus, Christie is a Catholic and that doesn’t play well in the south, either.

311 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:15:28am
312 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:16:01am

re: #300 darthstar

The kids are ghosts, not klan.

As Happywarrior said, he’s clan - see the cross.

I’m a bit aware of this. I made my daughter a ghost costume when she was young. Then I had to modify, and cut and sew, and modify yet again to get everyone past the first reaction: Why is she wearing Klan? After that, mummies and vampires and zombies and pumpkins and, well, anything but ghosts.

313 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:16:08am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

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As opposed to just waiting til they show up at the ER, which actually reduces costs.

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314 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:16:12am

Healthcare CEO’s totally deserve their 8-figure salaries! Providing affordable policies for people with re-existing conditions would cut into their profit margin!!!!

315 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:16:27am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

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Fuck you Stockman. I shouldn’t be able to be denied insurance because of a hereditary condition you insensitive fuck.

316 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:16:35am

re: #311 darthstar

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Hey Rick, suicide is not painless.

317 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:17:32am

re: #312 kirkspencer

As Happywarrior said, he’s clan - see the cross.

I’m a bit aware of this. I made my daughter a ghost costume when she was young. Then I had to modify, and cut and sew, and modify yet again to get everyone past the first reaction: Why is she wearing Klan? After that, mummies and vampires and zombies and pumpkins and, well, anything but ghosts.

Yet another reason to hate the KKK. Ruining a perfectly good Halloween costume.

318 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:17:40am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

You must not have any in walking distance.

Nope…just a bunch of fishermen across the street prepping crab pots for the commercial season - and about 200 RVs of sport fishermen enjoying their two week head start. Gonna bring a bottle of wine down this afternoon when I get home from work and see about making a trade.

319 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:19:13am

re: #311 darthstar

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But I thought implementing ACA would be criminal, Rick. // Frauds. Put on a big show about ACA is evil for their base but then beg the feds for help.

320 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:20:44am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Hey Rick, suicide is not painless.

Hey, if it was in a movie (and is a song), it must be true.

Youtube Video

321 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:22:42am
322 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:22:49am
323 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:24:48am

re: #286 darthstar

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Christie needs a theme song…

Youtube Video

Morning, Lizards!

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:24:54am

re: #321 darthstar

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*spit take*

325 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:26:08am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

Yet another reason to hate the KKK. Ruining a perfectly good Halloween costume.

digressive minor point - if she hadn’t been going to a party where food would be served I’d have done the basic sheet over the top as seven year olds don’t care. But if she was going to get to things while wearing the costume modifications had to be made. sigh.

fwiw, now that it’s too late I’ve found some alternative methods that work even better. The favorite I’ve found is another old-fashioned method but with a twist. The old fashioned is to dust everything - clothes, hands, head, everything - with corn starch. If you want you want you can do a bit of makeup first (think early stage zombie). The modern twist is to mix the cornstarch with the commercial product glow powder at between 5 and 10 parts starch to 1 part powder. Fairly cheap, easy, safe (twice - the wearer glows in the dark and seriously lights up in headlights, and the material itself is safe), and no interference with behavior.

326 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:27:44am
327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:28:37am
328 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:28:52am

re: #326 darthstar

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Gee, I didn’t know Anders Brevik got a job at CNN International.

329 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:30:47am

re: #321 darthstar

They’re going to be phasing them out over a period of years to come, even as the market has been phasing them out piecemeal (some large restaurant chains have done so after bad press).

A good thing and overdue.

330 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:31:41am
331 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:32:04am
332 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:32:13am

re: #321 darthstar

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That’s great news! Here’s the story.

FDA to Ban Artery-Clogging Trans Fats

abcnews.go.com

“The FDA plans to announce later Thursday that it will require the food industry to gradually phase out all trans fats, saying they are a threat to people’s health. Commissioner Margaret Hamburg said the move could prevent 20,000 heart attacks a year and 7,000 deaths.

“Hamburg said that while the amount of trans fats in the country’s diet has declined dramatically in the last decade, they “remain an area of significant public health concern.” The trans fats have long been criticized by nutritionists, and New York and other local governments have banned them.

“The agency isn’t yet setting a timeline for the phase-out, but will collect comments for two months before officials determine how long it will take. Different foods may have different timelines, depending how easy it is to substitute.”

This is going to have a huge effect on the grocery industry.

Top 10 Foods With Trans Fats webmd.com

333 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:33:57am

re: #329 lawhawk

They’re going to be phasing them out over a period of years to come, even as the market has been phasing them out piecemeal (some large restaurant chains have done so after bad press).

A good thing and overdue.

The action they’re proposing is to remove trans fats from the list of ingredients “generally regarded as safe.” That proposed change to regulations should hit the comments list today sometime and due to it’s nature will only have a 60 day comment period. (Not yet posted or I’d put in the link. You can watch for it at regulations.gov and search for proposed FDA regulations.)

334 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:35:18am

re: #330 darthstar

335 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:37:06am
336 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:37:18am

re: #333 kirkspencer

True. But this will spur some other companies to make the move that haven’t already done so ahead of the promulgation. It hasn’t affected the bottom line of the companies that made the move, and alternatives are out there.

The GOP will naturally oppose the move as being intrusive and too nanny statish.

337 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:39:07am

re: #336 lawhawk

True. But this will spur some other companies to make the move that haven’t already done so ahead of the promulgation. It hasn’t affected the bottom line of the companies that made the move, and alternatives are out there.

The GOP will naturally oppose the move as being intrusive and too nanny statish.

Yep.

(I wasn’t disagreeing, I was adding some detail to your accurate statement.)

338 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:39:10am

re: #336 lawhawk

True. But this will spur some other companies to make the move that haven’t already done so ahead of the promulgation. It hasn’t affected the bottom line of the companies that made the move, and alternatives are out there.

The GOP will naturally oppose the move as being intrusive and too nanny statish.

“We have a right to trans fats!!”

339 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:40:07am

re: #338 Targetpractice

“We have a right to trans fats!!”

and gutter fats!

340 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:45:02am

Sad, somebody has no life:

341 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:52:05am
342 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:53:56am

Holy Shniekies! The new Call of Duty is 60 Gigs.

343 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:54:56am

re: #342 Amory Blaine

Holy Shniekies! The new Call of Duty is 60 Gigs.

Upding for Holy Shniekies. I thought my kids made that up. Which one of them do you know?

344 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:55:55am

re: #222 piratedan

gonna be hard to justify standing your ground with shooting an unarmed black girl in the back of the head

Likely impossible. Shooting a woman meets with a much more hostile reception than shooting a man, even if the woman is black. He also shot her in the back. So that homeowner is likely going to prison for a very long time.

One thing to note: Since the shooting occurred on the homeowners property, and indeed while he was in his own home, it is the less-controversial ‘Castle Doctrine’ which is operative here. ‘Stand Your Ground’ does not apply.

345 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:56:53am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Upding for Holy Shniekies. I thought my kids made that up. Which one of them do you know?

It’s from the Chris Faley and David Spade movie Tommy Boy.

346 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:57:45am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Upding for Holy Shniekies. I thought my kids made that up. Which one of them do you know?

Waiting…

tapping toe

347 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:58:13am

Good grief, Twitter stocks are already inflated.

348 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:58:55am

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

SNL tag line popularized by Chris Farley

Youtube Video

349 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:59:49am

Driven by the same asshat who put anti-choice pamphlets in kids’ Halloween bags?

350 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:01:21am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Driven by the same asshat who put anti-choice pamphlets in kids’ Halloween bags?

Giant anti-abortion truck covered in graphic images is driving around Albuquerque to drum up support for a 20-wk ban]

If I lived in Albuquerque I would be following this thing with a truckload of coathangers.

351 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:01:48am

re: #347 Justanotherhuman

Sweet jeebus. And watch for the bitching about them setting the price too low.

Yet, here I am trying to get in on that order too….

352 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:02:44am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Payback can be a bitch though…

jezebel.com

353 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:04:44am

$44-45 to the open Twitter…. will happen momentarily.

354 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:05:03am

re: #310 Justanotherhuman

Or in the south, either. Believe me, the “goddamn Yankees” meme still gets traction here. Plus, Christie is a Catholic and that doesn’t play well in the south, either.

But Rick Santorum is also Catholic and some southern states voted for him.
And the Keystone State sent the Union more men than the Garden State.

Actually, it was Irish coal miners from Schuylkill County whose tunneled under a Confederate fort at Petersburg and then loaded the mine chamber they dug with blasting power, thus literally setting off the Battle of the Crater.

355 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:05:07am

re: #283 darthstar

That deserves a reply…even though he’s blocked me.

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What RT’s are for. :-)

356 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:05:32am

$45-46 - not close. Still going up!

cnbc.com

357 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:05:42am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Fuck you Stockman. I shouldn’t be able to be denied insurance because of a hereditary condition you insensitive fuck.

There shouldn’t be any such thing as insurance. Single Payer is the only correct answer for a 1st-world nation.

The health of a nation is too important to be left to the profit motive. It is exactly like basic infrastructure and civil protection (law enforcement, fire department, etc.).

358 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:06:27am
359 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:07:39am

re: #357 GunstarGreen

There shouldn’t be any such thing as insurance. Single Payer is the only correct answer for a 1st-world nation.

The health of a nation is too important to be left to the profit motive. It is exactly like basic infrastructure and civil protection (law enforcement, fire department, etc.).

The Market is supposed to work to the benefit of all, that is what health care regulation is about. Single payer would be better, but impossible to implement.

360 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:08:39am
361 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:08:41am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Driven by the same asshat who put anti-choice pamphlets in kids’ Halloween bags?

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At the same time, I’ll bet Shaver wouldn’t drive around with photos of soldiers shot up, blown up, decapitated, etc. Or those of prisoners tortured and water-boarded, either.

If these “pro-life” types actually think those photos are real human beings, did they get permission to use those photos, or are they what we think they are?

362 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:11:03am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

But Rick Santorum is also Catholic and some southern states voted for him.
And the Keystone State sent the Union more men than the Garden State.

Actually, it was Irish coal miners from Schuylkill County whose tunneled under a Confederate fort at Petersburg and then loaded the mine chamber they dug with blasting power, thus literally setting off the Battle of the Crater.

You know well that Christie’s form of Catholicism is different from Santroum’s. Santorum may as well be an evangelical compared to Christie.

363 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:11:14am

re: #356 lawhawk

FB opened at $38; then fell, then settled at about $42, IIRC.

364 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:12:36am

re: #357 GunstarGreen

I don’t agree, but that’s another story. I would, however, ask you to alter your post to say “There shouldn’t be any such thing as health insurance.” I think we can all agree that insurance for one’s home or car ought to be private. I’d add life insurance to the list of non-controversially private, but you might disagree.

365 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:13:18am

re: #359 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is supposed to work to the benefit of all, that is what health care regulation is about. Single payer would be better, but impossible to implement.

The market works to the benefit of the wealthy executive and stockholder, and fuck everyone else. This has been demonstrated clearly, over and over and over and over and over again throughout our history. Single Payer is as impossible to implement as getting us off of the idiotic measurement system we’re on and onto the proper, standardized metric system that the rest of the civilized world uses.

Which is to say, it’s entirely possible, we’re just too goddamn lazy to do it.

366 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:14:27am

I will say this though. Christie’s soft opposition to gay marriage will hurt him more in the South than being Catholic.

367 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:16:05am

re: #350 Sol Berdinowitz

If I lived in Albuquerque I would be following this thing with a truckload of coathangers.

Nah, just paint the coathangers with a bright color than contrasts with the images (I’d suggest blue or perhaps purple or green). Then attach them to the truck with a powerful epoxy.

368 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:17:06am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

Driven by the same asshat who put anti-choice pamphlets in kids’ Halloween bags?

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I’m sure that will win hearts and minds……………not

369 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:17:18am

re: #363 Justanotherhuman

FB closed on its opening day at $38.23, only $0.23 above the IPO price at $38 and down $3.82 from the opening bell value; there was no pop. The stock is now trading at about $49 but was underwater for much of the past year before rallying.

Twitter appears to be heading to a significant launch to the upside that has support to keep it there at least through opening day. That’s due in part to having far fewer shares available - 70 million. Scarcity brings demand.

370 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:17:27am

re: #359 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is supposed to work to the benefit of all, that is what health care regulation is about. Single payer would be better, but impossible to implement.

Depends on what you mean by “impossible”.

On the three tests I use, technical and economic are demonstrably possible. The only test that’s questionable is political, and that’s just a matter of time frame at this point.

371 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:17:27am

re: #365 GunstarGreen

What’s wrong with miles and pounds? I like the system we use.

372 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:17:56am

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Epoxy but that’s still actually a good idea, DF.

373 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:18:41am

re: #369 lawhawk

FB closed on its opening day at $38.23, only $0.23 above the IPO price at $38 and down $3.82 from the opening bell value; there was no pop. The stock is now trading at about $49 but was underwater for much of the past year before rallying.

Twitter appears to be heading to a significant launch to the upside that has support to keep it there at least through opening day. That’s due in part to having far fewer shares available - 70 million. Scarcity brings demand.

Your lesson on the stock market and in part on free markets in general has been very good so far. Bravo!

374 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:19:10am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, but that’s another story. I would, however, ask you to alter your post to say “There shouldn’t be any such thing as >health insurance.” I think we can all agree that insurance for one’s home or car ought to be private. I’d add life insurance to the list of non-controversially private, but you might disagree.

I was speaking in a healthcare context, I assumed that it was to be inferred that ‘insurance’ referred to ‘health insurance’.

My mother works two full-time jobs, and has for nearly 15 years. She’s a US Navy veteran on top of that. She served her country with the best years of her life, and worked hard to get and keep two decent jobs that both have insurance plans. When she needed to get her eyes fixed, when she actually needed the services she and her companies have been paying into for a decade and a half? The two insurance companies argued over who got to pay, and ultimately decided that neither of them did, and I ended up gifting her six grand out of my pocket so she could maybe not go blind.

So the folks that adhere to the notion that private health insurance is A-OK? They can take their private insurance and shove it right up their ass.

375 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:19:15am

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Epoxy but that’s still actually a good idea, DF.

Thanks, post edited.

376 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:19:15am

Godwins are STUPID no matter if they are done by right-wingers or liberals.
Liberals should know better.

377 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:20:08am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

What’s wrong with miles and pounds? I like the system we use.

I think we should go back to the silver standard and use Pounds Shillings Pence too! ////

We do need to join the rest of the world on this. There are enormous costs in science and manufacturing because we haven’t switched not to mention the loss of spacecraft.

378 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:20:36am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

Forcing insurers to cover preexisting conditions now making insurance unaffordable for millions

Translation: Will you fucking cripples just die already and decrease the surplus population!

379 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:20:53am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

Godwins are STUPID no matter if they are done by right-wingers or liberals.
Liberals should know better.

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Yep. I’ll tell you this much. I even resist comparing other totalitarian regimes to the Nazis. There’s not too many regimes you can say killed over 10 million innocents in that short a time.

380 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:21:35am

re: #378 Romantic Heretic

Translation: Will you fucking cripples just die already and decrease the surplus population!

John Stossel probably thinks The Lottery was a romance short story.

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:22:09am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

Godwins are STUPID no matter if they are done by right-wingers or liberals.
Liberals should know better.

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Especially since they only wanted obedient ones around. Look at Bonhoeffer or the many Jehovah’s Witnesses who died then as well. The latter bug me when they come knocking, but I’m always polite in my refusal for that reason.

382 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:23:05am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

Godwins are STUPID no matter if they are done by right-wingers or liberals.
Liberals should know better.

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Just so, and I thank you for that.

383 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:23:47am

re: #365 GunstarGreen

The market works to the benefit of the wealthy executive and stockholder, and fuck everyone else. This has been demonstrated clearly, over and over and over and over and over again throughout our history. Single Payer is as impossible to implement as getting us off of the idiotic measurement system we’re on and onto the proper, standardized metric system that the rest of the civilized world uses.

Which is to say, it’s entirely possible, we’re just too goddamn lazy to do it.

The market is a mechanism, and it depends on both a physical and regulatory infrastructure to function, and those cannot be left in the hands of the participants in the market.

Unfortunately, too many people are trying to sell us the Free Market as an ideology,

Single payer is not politically possible. It would take nothing short of a zombie apocalypse to get us to move to one.

384 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:25:52am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Especially since they only wanted obedient ones around. Look at Bonhoeffer or the many Jehovah’s Witnesses who died then as well. The latter bug me when they come knocking, but I’m always polite in my refusal for that reason.

I got Mormons yesterday, 2 young women, who wanted to tell me about Jesus. After I quickly ID’d who they were from the name tag of one of them, I just told them I was not interested. I don’t talk to anyone who’s trying to solicit door to door, no matter what they’re peddling.

385 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:26:15am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

What’s wrong with miles and pounds? I like the system we use.

Millions of dollars worth of trashed spacecraft for one thing, but that’s ultimately human error. The big point is the increased cost of having to deal with two entirely different systems of measuring the exact same thing. Having to manufacture things in metric and imperial labeling, the time and cost of training people that work internationally on two systems of measurement, that sort of thing. There’s no good reason to keep using imperial.

386 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:26:43am

re: #359 Sol Berdinowitz

The Market is supposed to work to the benefit of all, that is what health care regulation is about. Single payer would be better, but impossible to implement.

Yeah. You’ve got to be at least as developed a nation as Ireland to have that.

en.wikipedia.org

387 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:27:16am

re: #360 Vicious Babushka

Lungs, too. Why do the poors need two of everything? ///

388 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:27:33am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

I got Mormons yesterday, 2 young women, who wanted to tell me about Jesus. After I quickly ID’d who they were from the name tag of one of them, I just told them I was not interested. I don’t talk to anyone who’s trying to solicit door to door, no matter what they’re peddling.

The last person to knock on my door was actually a guy who belongs to my congregation, wanted to tell folks he was running for city council.

I voted for him, but he lost anyway.

We had really crappy voter turnout.

389 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:27:59am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

I got Mormons yesterday, 2 young women, who wanted to tell me about Jesus. After I quickly ID’d who they were from the name tag of one of them, I just told them I was not interested. I don’t talk to anyone who’s trying to solicit door to door, no matter what they’re peddling.

Two women? Is this new for the LDS? I’ve only seen young guys in black pants and white shirts doing the elder thing in the past.

390 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:28:55am

I never was a dick to the Gideons on campus. They were always pleasant enough. The campus preachers OTOH who told us we were all going to hell. Yeah, they were fun to heckle but there was even one who after we talked to him afterwards was an okay guy and we brought up that our anger at him was so directed because another more nutty one (Brother Micah, any of you east coasters heard of him?) had visited not that long before. And he was like gosh guys, Micah’s something in his own. I just don’t like having some self-righteous asshole telling me I am going to hell if I don’t accept his way.

391 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:29:25am

re: #385 GunstarGreen

Millions of dollars worth of trashed spacecraft for one thing, but that’s ultimately human error. The big point is the increased cost of having to deal with two entirely different systems of measuring the exact same thing. Having to manufacture things in metric and imperial labeling, the time and cost of training people that work internationally on two systems of measurement, that sort of thing. There’s no good reason to keep using imperial.

Fuel efficiency. My Land Rover has Imperial tanks, gets a good bit more miles to the gallon.

392 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:29:59am

re: #387 Bulworth

Lungs, too. Why do the poors need two of everything? ///

Takers. They just want free stuff (organs).

393 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:30:45am
394 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:31:50am

Religious groups manifest in different ways though. The campus Lutherans I remember trying to recruit with talk of beer(we have a lot of over 21 people at GMU and I myself was among them) but I’m not a Lutheran even if German beer est good.

395 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:32:18am

re: #393 Justanotherhuman

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Glenn Greenwald: Al Queda is made up. (sarc)

396 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:33:02am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

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397 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:33:14am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Glenn Greenwald: Al Queda is made up. (sarc)

I think he actually did say something like that.

398 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:33:27am

I wonder how much Stossel got for his soul.

399 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:13am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Well, as a thought experiment let’s suppose there is polonium. It’s easy enough to detect so that would mean the Russians are lying. I would think that would put them at the top of the suspect list.

Possibly so…but Russia has a sordid history of assassination with polonium so it is in their best interest to deny it everywhere.

I would still keep them on the suspect list as you said.

400 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:20am

re: #398 Amory Blaine

I wonder how much Stossel got for his soul.

Full libertarian market price.

401 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:41am

re: #397 Vicious Babushka

I think he actually did say something like that.

Then we have had our daily Tom Lehrer moment where political satire becomes obsolete.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:44am

re: #398 Amory Blaine

I wonder how much Stossel got for his soul.

What value would it have to anyone?

403 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:51am

$5. Milhouse has it.

404 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:56am

re: #389 wheat-dogghazi

Two women? Is this new for the LDS? I’ve only seen young guys in black pants and white shirts doing the elder thing in the past.

I’ve had the young guys, too. Young women sometimes get special permission when they need to fill quotas, I suppose. And they’ve lowered the age. Women previously had to be 21, men 19.

npr.org

405 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:58am
406 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:35:14am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

I got Mormons yesterday, 2 young women, who wanted to tell me about Jesus. After I quickly ID’d who they were from the name tag of one of them, I just told them I was not interested. I don’t talk to anyone who’s trying to solicit door to door, no matter what they’re peddling.

Religious ones I simply say I’m happy with my church, god bless them & shut the door before they respond.

407 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:35:44am

re: #405 lawhawk

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Breitbart and WND: Where you go when even the Washington Times thinks you’re a disgrace.

408 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:36:39am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

Religious ones I simply say I’m happy with my church, god bless them & shut the door before they respond.

Well, I’m really not interested; I’m an atheist.

ETA: I’m always a bit amused at the shock on people’s faces, even the Baptists I sometimes get around here.

409 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:36:57am

re: #405 lawhawk

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One of the two is lowering themselves.

410 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:37:05am

re: #387 Bulworth

Lungs, too. Why do the poors need two of everything? ///

It’s like listening to a sermon from the Church of Rand.

411 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:37:23am

BBL

412 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:37:35am

re: #59 Kragar

His proctologist wept, for he had never seen such a perfect asshole.

Maybe Mr Fischer needs to take a trip to southern New Mexico and run a few stop signs. I hear the cops down there love to take people to the hospital for forcible 14 hour rectal exams.

413 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:39:02am

re: #412 Aunty Entity Dragon

Maybe Mr Fischer needs to take a trip to southern New Mexico and run a few stop signs. I hear the cops down there love to take people to the hospital for forcible 14 hour rectal exams.

He would pay them.

414 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:39:12am

re: #410 Targetpractice

It’s like listening to a sermon from the Church of Rand.

And he gave his first born son away for a pair of courtside Heat tickets. The word of Ayn Rand. Amen.

415 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:43:00am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

And he gave his first born son away for a pair of courtside Heat tickets. The word of Ayn Rand. Amen.

“And lo, it was that Saint Galt granted man the right to sell his organs, for the freedom to do with his body what he likes is his, but he may not partaketh in the wacky weed, nor may the woman seek an abortion, as that just wouldn’t be moral.”

416 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:47:29am

re: #398 Amory Blaine

I wonder how much Stossel got for his soul.

$9.99

417 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:48:19am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

$9.99

I’ve paid more for a burrito meal than that.

418 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:48:49am

re: #416 Dr Lizardo

$9.99

I wouldn’t pay a nickel.

419 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:48:52am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

I’ve paid more for a burrito meal than that.

The burrito meal is worth more.

420 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:48:55am

Without comment (ed: which is a comment):

421 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:49:06am

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

I’ve had the young guys, too. Young women sometimes get special permission when they need to fill quotas, I suppose. And they’ve lowered the age. Women previously had to be 21, men 19.

npr.org

I don’t think it takes special permission, but missions are optional for the ‘sisters’.

422 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:49:37am

They were racist long before that, Erick.

423 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:49:45am

re: #418 Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t pay a nickel.

Neither would I. I might let loose a burst of uproarious mocking laughter if someone actually suggested that while in earshot to me, however.

424 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:51:13am

re: #423 Dr Lizardo

Neither would I. I might let loose a burst of uproarious mocking laughter if someone actually suggested that while in earshot to me, however.

People don’t really sell their souls, anyway. Usually they just give them away for free.

425 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:52:20am

re: #419 Dr Lizardo

The burrito meal is worth more.

Better for fending off a hangover too.

426 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:52:58am

TWTR - opens at $46.88

That’s a $20+ jump for those who got in on the IPO.

427 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:54:25am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

People don’t really sell their souls, anyway. Usually they just give them away for free.

As a young lady I dated many, many years ago once said, “I don’t need to buy your soul; I mean, hell, you’re not using it anyway so I’ll just take it.”

Heh.

428 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:54:44am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Better for fending off a hangover too.

lol

429 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:55:01am

re: #426 lawhawk

TWTR - opens at $46.88

That’s a $20+ jump for those who got in on the IPO.

And it’s manufactured “wealth”.

430 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:55:10am

re: #420 lawhawk

Without comment (ed: which is a comment):

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The company said it is notifying customers who ordered items with the “wide discrepancy in pricing” that their orders were canceled and they will be given a refund. The company is sending those customers a $10 e-gift card for Walmart stores and Walmart.com.

*deadpan* My, how generous of them.

431 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:57:02am

re: #420 lawhawk

Without comment (ed: which is a comment):

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I am sure that if you read the fine print in the General Terms and Conditions, there is a clause in there that covers such “errors”.

432 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:57:17am

re: #427 Dr Lizardo

As a young lady I dated many, many years ago once said, “I don’t need to buy your soul; I mean, hell, you’re not using it anyway so I’ll just take it.”

Heh.

That’s alright…

433 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:58:24am

re: #430 Targetpractice

*deadpan* My, how generous of them.

I dunno, just because it’s WalMart doesn’t mean you should get to take advantage of an obvious error.

434 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:59:16am

re: #418 Vicious Babushka

I wouldn’t pay a nickel.

Free Market!

435 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:08:12am

WTFITS

436 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:09:12am

Yunno, Mr Stossel, if we are alowed to sell parts of our bodies, why can’t we just sell our entire body to the highest bidder?

437 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:09:40am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Next up, Gutenberg helped destroy Western Civilization by making it easier for people to read.

438 b.d.  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:10:53am

re: #436 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, Mr Stossel, if we are alowed to sell parts of our bodies, why can’t we just sell our entire body to the highest bidder?

Kidnapping should be legal too. Only the smartest of us humans will get it right and should be rewarded for outsmarting teh dumb ones.

//

439 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:11:18am

Morning drive-by comment - Looks like, unsurprisingly, Charles was 100% correct on the Robinson thing:

Tommy Robinson Planning New Organisation, Geller And Spencer Reaffirm Support

The former leader of the EDL, Tommy Robinson, has reconciled with his transatlantic anti-Islamist friends Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, but has said the American activists, the media and others need to stop criticising his new direction.

In a joint blog-post, Geller and Spencer said Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Lennon, had written to them “emphasising that he has not changed his positions, and the unfolding events have borne that out”.

When asked by HuffPost UK, Robinson insisted that it was correct his views had not changed, that they had been about “Islamist ideology” all along. […]

huffingtonpost.co.uk

In other news, I saw this earlier this morning. WTF? Video at the link:

British girls dress up as burning Twin Towers for Halloween

Amber Langford and Annie Collinge, both 19, surprisingly won first place at a nightclub in England for their homemade display of the burning Twin Towers on 9/11. The costumes were engulfed in flames and even had airplanes and people falling from them. While the display was fake — the outrage was very real.

wsbtv.com

Okay, gotta get back to work. BBL

440 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:13:35am

Yes, make it legal to sell body parts. Because private industry would never try to exploit that in any way. Just look at China…okay, bad example…

441 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:14:38am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

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Republican Democratic Plan for Healthcare: PPACA.

Tea Party Republican Plan for Healthcare: FOAD.

442 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:17:15am

re: #431 Sol Berdinowitz

Some companies do end up making good on their errors. This includes airlines where there have been occasional errors where you can end up with cross-country flights for a few bucks.

They see it as good press - rather than a pure bottom line issue.

443 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:19:43am

re: #433 calochortus

I dunno, just because it’s WalMart doesn’t mean you should get to take advantage of an obvious error.

Why not? They do.

444 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:19:44am

re: #442 lawhawk

Some companies do end up making good on their errors. This includes airlines where there have been occasional errors where you can end up with cross-country flights for a few bucks.

They see it as good press - rather than a pure bottom line issue.

I remember last year’s El Al internet error, when tickets to Israel got sold for $400.

I missed out on that because I had already bought my tickets at the regular price. :(

445 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:21:24am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

WTFITS

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Good god these people get more kooky by the day.

446 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:22:16am

re: #439 CuriousLurker

>Morning drive-by comment - Looks like, unsurprisingly, Charles was 100% correct on the Robinson thing:

In other news, I saw this earlier this morning. WTF? Video at the link:

Okay, gotta get back to work. BBL

Knew it was smart to be suspicious of him. Good call to anyone who was. As for the British teenagers, what a bunch of morons but I hope people don’t act equally assholish and send them death threats like the = woman who dressed as a Boston marathon victim and had her and her parents get death threats.

447 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:23:01am

re: #431 Sol Berdinowitz

I am sure that if you read the fine print in the General Terms and Conditions, there is a clause in there that covers such “errors”.

Yep. from here:

We reserve the right to refuse or cancel an order for any reason including limitations on quantities available for purchase, inaccuracies, or errors in product or pricing information, or problems identified by our credit and fraud avoidance department.

448 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:24:05am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Good god these people get more kooky by the day.

There is a lot of cross-dressing in Shakespeare plays, which was probably because teenage boys played all the female roles.

It’s still hard for me to imagine a teenage boy playing Lady Macbeth but then again, most Peter Pans have been played by middle-aged women (Mary Martin, Cathy Rigby)

449 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:24:23am

re: #437 GeneJockey

Next up, Gutenberg helped destroy Western Civilization by making it easier for people to read.

I’m surprised he didn’t go after someone that it’s pretty well accepted was gay like Da Vinci or Michaelangelo. Shakespeare, there are questions not that it matters anyhow since there were gay people in the times of the Bible too.

450 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:24:27am

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

DERP!

[ Rep. Steve Stockman @SteveWorks4You

Forcing insurers to cover preexisting conditions now making insurance unaffordable for millions kaiserhealthnews.org …]

So, he admits he doesn’t care about people lives, just the rich getting richer. What an ass. Do people actually listen to what he is saying, and they vote for him anyway?

451 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:25:27am

re: #450 ObserverArt

So, he admits he doesn’t care about people lives, just the rich getting richer. What an ass. Do people actually listen to what he is saying, and they vote for him anyway?

His Twitter account, which is not actually managed by him but by some unpaid intern, is just trollbait.

452 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:25:48am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised he didn’t go after someone that it’s pretty well accepted was gay like Da Vinci or Michaelangelo. Shakespeare, there are questions not that it matters anyhow since there were gay people in the times of the Bible too.

And they were put to death by stoning.

453 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:25:59am

re: #448 Vicious Babushka

There is a lot of cross-dressing in Shakespeare plays, which was probably because teenage boys played all the female roles.

It’s still hard for me to imagine a teenage boy playing Lady Macbeth but then again, most Peter Pans have been played by middle-aged women (Mary Martin, Cathy Rigby)

That’s right. I had forgotten that bit about Peter Pan. But yeah it was amusing to think about characters like Lady Macbeth, Juliet, etc all being played by guys when I read some of the plays for the Shakespeare class I took as an English minor.

454 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:26:29am

re: #452 Sol Berdinowitz

And they were put to death by stoning.

Bring back that stoning feeling!//

455 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:26:47am

re: #437 GeneJockey

Next up, Gutenberg helped destroy Western Civilization by making it easier for people to read.

Well of course, things were much better when religious texts were all in Latin and thus the ignorant masses had to rely upon Holy Mother Church to give them the word of God, assured that they were not being fed a bunch of crap to keep them dumb and complacent.

////

456 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:26:48am

re: #453 HappyWarrior

That’s right. I had forgotten that bit about Peter Pan. But yeah it was amusing to think about characters like Lady Macbeth, Juliet, etc all being played by guys when I read some of the plays for the Shakespeare class I took as an English minor.

The roles were played by men because the Church prevented women from working as actresses

457 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:27:30am

re: #450 ObserverArt

So, he admits he doesn’t care about people lives, just the rich getting richer. What an ass. Do people actually listen to what he is saying, and they vote for him anyway?

Hell, he’d probably have a harder time getting re-elected if he showed self-awareness. These politician’s bases are an as if not greater problem than them themselves.

458 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:28:31am

re: #420 lawhawk

Without comment (ed: which is a comment):

Responsible business behavior. Not.

459 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:28:35am

re: #456 Sol Berdinowitz

The roles were played by men because the Church prevented women from working as actresses

I’m aware of that being the reason but it’s still amusing to think about that when reading the play. It shows you how these plays which we often associate with high culture were something enjoyed by rich and poor alike in Elizabethian and later Jacobian England.

461 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:30:01am
462 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:30:24am

re: #437 GeneJockey

Next up, Gutenberg helped destroy Western Civilization by making it easier for people to read.

More like made it easier to produce books, which made the ability to read a much more useful (or entertaining) skill to have.

463 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:31:11am

re: #460 Varek Raith

Surprise!
Not.

464 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:31:18am
465 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:31:30am

re: #461 Sol Berdinowitz

Wal-Mart sells insurance?

In some sense. In our state Humana has a health insurance table set up in the exit.

466 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:31:48am
467 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:32:06am

re: #439 CuriousLurker

>Morning drive-by comment - Looks like, unsurprisingly, Charles was 100% correct on the Robinson thing:

In other news, I saw this earlier this morning. WTF? Video at the link:

Okay, gotta get back to work. BBL

The article is from early June.

468 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:34:15am

DOUBLING DOWN ON TEH DERP

469 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:35:46am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

The article is from early June.

I think you may be mistaken here KT. I can see why you may think that but I think the Brits use their timelines with day/month/year rather than month/day/year like we do.

470 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:36:16am

re: #468 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLING DOWN ON TEH DERP

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Please proceed.

471 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:37:05am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

The article is from early June.

Do you know how they do dates over in the UK, Killgore?

472 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:37:05am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

I think you may be mistaken here KT. I can see why you may think that but I think the Brits use their timelines with day/month/year rather than month/day/year like we do.

Correct.

473 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:37:36am

re: #470 Targetpractice

Please proceed.

The timeline for that Tweet is full of the most hilarious delusional Derp.

474 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:37:41am

re: #471 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hey Obdi, how goes things?

475 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:39:03am

The BBC documentary about Robinson leaving the EDL aired a few days ago. I haven’t have time to watch yet but this seems to be the full documentary posted on Youtube.
Quitting the English Defence League: When Tommy Met Mo
Youtube Video

476 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:39:43am

Robinson never distances himself from the Islamophobia and general Xenophobia he’d been a part of. He claimed he was opposing the inclusions of Nazis and racists, but he’s a racist, and while he’s not really sophisticated enough for political views, he’s basically a nazi.

Anyone who bought into his moderation it is as dumb as someone who thinks that because someone calls themselves a ‘factchecker’ they’re more credible than another source.

477 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:40:50am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

I think you may be mistaken here KT. I can see why you may think that but I think the Brits use their timelines with day/month/year rather than month/day/year like we do.

Ah, nice catch. I checked Geller and Spencer’s site and didn’t se any post about reconciliation.

478 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:41:22am

re: #467 Killgore Trout

The article is from early June.

No, it’s not. It’s from yesterday.

It’s the UK version of HuffPo, so they use the European date format of dd/mm/yy instead of the American one. Check the front page articles to confirm.

479 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:42:21am

re: #472 Varek Raith

Correct.

Are you sure it isn’t YYYY-MM-DD? I think the only time you see what you noted is if they are using 12-May-01, otherwise, dates would be noted 2001/05/12.

I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.

480 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:43:19am

Ah, here’s the iiad watch article on reconciliation….

Tommy Robinson reconsidered

A few weeks ago we issued a statement expressing our disenchantment with Tommy Robinson’s new course. We applauded his decision to dissociate himself from the racists, neo-Nazis and antisemites who persisted in trying to gain control of the English Defence League, but were extremely suspicious of his association with the pseudo-moderate and extremely disingenuous Quilliam Foundation.

However, events have been unfolding rapidly. Tommy Robinson has written to us emphasizing that he has not changed his positions, and the unfolding events have borne that out. The documentary When Tommy Met Mo shows that Tommy was not fooled by the smooth deceptiveness of the dishonest Islamic supremacist Mo Ansar, and in numerous interviews Tommy has acquitted himself admirably, demonstrating that his commitment to resisting Sharia oppression and Islamic supremacism is as strong as ever.

His association with the Quilliam Foundation was and is problematic. The Quilliam Foundation’s anti-Israel stance and its unjustified attacks on counter-jihadists such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders abundantly establish that it is not what it claims to be. But we understand that Tommy has been under enormous pressure. It is impossible to hold him accountable for Quilliam’s disingenuousness when he has not repeated it himself. Tommy is planning to start a new organization that is as free from Quilliam as it is from the EDL, and in that, and in his ongoing efforts to defend the British freedom and the vision of human rights that Judeo-Christian civilization has given to the world, we wholeheartedly and unhesitatingly support him.

481 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:43:24am

I’ll bet if people’s labor was priced the same way stocks are, everyone would be a lot better off in the long run.

Meet Twitter’s billionaires

With Twitter surging on its first day of trading, there are lots of people who are suddenly #filthyrich.

money.cnn.com

482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:44:01am

re: #479 Joanne

4/K/5774

483 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:44:10am

re: #479 Joanne

Are you sure it isn’t YYYY-MM-DD? I think the only time you see what you noted is if they are using 12-May-01, otherwise, dates would be noted 2001/05/12.

I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.

Oy, I’m confused. Everyone should just use MM/DD/YYYY.
/
;)

484 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:44:55am

re: #482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

4/K/5774

:)

485 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:45:21am

re: #483 Varek Raith

Oy, I’m confused. Everyone should just use MM/DD/YYYY.
/
;)

Bourbon is better than gin and burgers and fries are better than fish and chips, and the President is better than the Queen!

486 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:45:36am

re: #482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

4/K/5774

Hebrew date?

487 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:45:41am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

Ah, nice catch. I checked Geller and Spencer’s site and didn’t se any post about reconciliation.

Honest mistake man. No sweat.

488 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:45:58am

The Derp is so delicious

489 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:46:01am

re: #483 Varek Raith

Oy, I’m confused. Everyone should just use MM/DD/YYYY.
/
;)

I think we are the only country on Earth that uses that.

490 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:46:06am

re: #483 Varek Raith

Oy, I’m confused. Everyone should just use MM/DD/YYYY.
/
;)

I’m sticking with the metric calendar. Fuck everybody!

491 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:46:14am

re: #484 Vicious Babushka

If you know any Russian-speaking Sephards in the NYC area, by the way, I’ve got a young classmate who’s looking for a husband. Or Ashkenazi if they’re diplomatic about Sephards.

492 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:46:51am

re: #478 CuriousLurker

No, it’s not. It’s from yesterday.

It’s the UK version of HuffPo, so they use the European date format of dd/mm/yy instead of the American one. Check the front page articles to confirm.

For a second, I thought he may be right but i checked the BBC’s news website to see how they do it. I also observed that yesterday was November 6th as well. Funny how I never noticed this even though I subscribe to a BBC history magazine on my kindle.

493 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:47:43am
494 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:49:14am
495 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:49:35am
496 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:00am

re: #493 Vicious Babushka

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class warfare!

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497 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:45am

re: #496 Sol Berdinowitz

class warfare!

/

THEY ARE TEH MAKERS & TEH JRRB CREEYATERS!!!11!!!!!!

498 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:55am

re: #494 Vicious Babushka

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Haha he actually used the I have a lot of black friends defense. I mean I don’t think hating Obama makes one racist either automatically but I am also aware that segment of the country music community isn’t exactly known as a beacon of tolerance either.

499 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:51:04am

re: #494 Vicious Babushka

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Booing a healthcare plan is one thing, portraying Obama as a witch doctor with a bone in his nose is another

500 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:51:11am

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Misplaced GUIs ftw!

501 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:51:22am

re: #482 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

4/K/5774

Just wait til we bake your noodle with a leap month (Adar I/II).

502 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:51:34am

re: #479 Joanne

Are you sure it isn’t YYYY-MM-DD? I think the only time you see what you noted is if they are using 12-May-01, otherwise, dates would be noted 2001/05/12.

I may be wrong, but that was my understanding.

Army/DoD makes it work around the world. Today is 07NOV13. It’s out of kilter every century. Get over it.

503 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:52:02am

re: #500 Varek Raith

Misplaced GUIs ftw!

Remember folks, your vote counts. You know, assuming it doesn’t get usurped in one of the millions of possible ways.

504 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:52:44am

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So you’re saying we should defund ACORN again? I didn’t have any problems but I wasn’t trying to vote for McAuliffe or Cuccinelli either.

505 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:52:47am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

Haha he actually used the I have a lot of black friends defense. I mean I don’t think hating Obama makes one racist either automatically but I am also aware that segment of the country music community isn’t exactly known as a beacon of tolerance either.

Jesus, no.

/

506 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:53:16am
507 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:53:48am

re: #505 Joanne

Jesus, no.

/

I gotta love though how people in the industry got pissed off at the Dixie Chicks for an off hand comment and yet they’re bringing their politics to their award show. Feh. Outlaw country is better than anyhow. Gimme Van Zandt, Earle, and those guys over the mainstream.

508 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:54:18am

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

509 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:56:07am

HAHA Please proceed…

510 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:56:15am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

I gotta love though how people in the industry got pissed off at the Dixie Chicks for an off hand comment and yet they’re bringing their politics to their award show. Feh. Outlaw country is better than anyhow. Gimme Van Zandt, Earle, and those guys over the mainstream.

Exactly what I was thinking when I first heard about it. All these rich fuckers, who could pay for a heart replacement out of pocket change, making fun of Obamacare…something that the majority of their fans need.

It is infuriating.

511 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:57:06am

re: #510 Joanne

Exactly what I was thinking when I first heard about it. All these rich fuckers, who could pay for a heart replacement out of pocket change, making fun of Obamacare…something that the majority of their fans need.

It is infuriating.

Yep.

512 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:58:13am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

HAHA Please proceed…

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Well you can defund the GOP by not voting for them whenever they oppose Democrats but you’re just a pussy who tells himself he’s an independent because he wishes the GOP was even more right wing.

513 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:58:37am
514 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:58:39am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

Religious ones I simply say I’m happy with my church, god bless them & shut the door before they respond.

I used to get a lot of Jehova Witnesses in my neighbor hood, and I’d be pleasant with them and after about a minute or so, I’d ask them what religion was Jesus a member of. Probably 90% would say he was Christian. I’d tell them they really need to learn a bit more about religion before going out and ‘witnessing’…have a nice day and do yourselves a favor, read, read, and read some more. Ask questions of others and don’t just follow because you think it will ‘save’ you. I’d tell them blind following something could lead you to where you don’t want to be. God gave you a brain and he wants you to use it individually, as when he went and prayed in the desert by himself.

Most walked away totally befuddled. I always hoped it made them consider to study more and to think for themselves. That I believe is what the human man Jesus was asking of everyone the whole time anyway. He didn’t want followers of groups led by humans.

Also, I know there is a huge debate if Jesus of Nazareth was practicing Judaism or was he leading to a transition of the one-on-one relationship that is at the root of Christianity. I think that debate will always go on.

515 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:58:58am

re: #506 Vicious Babushka

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Still waiting on the Pain-Capable Born Child Protection Act that makes it a crime to, say, bomb a wedding during the course of military actions overseas.

WELP.

516 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:59:18am

re: #468 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLING DOWN ON TEH DERP

The nation’s unraveling!! Oh noez!! Some cat in Mexico got a hold of the Rio Grande and is running around South America with it.

517 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:59:29am

re: #506 Vicious Babushka

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Huckleberry Closetcase really wants to start another fight over abortion in Congress with mid-terms coming up?

518 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:59:33am

re: #502 Decatur Deb

Army/DoD makes it work around the world. Today is 07NOV13. It’s out of kilter every century. Get over it.

fwiw, I was taught that today would be 07NOV2013. And that was back in the 1980s. We were told “because NATO, that’s why” when asking why four the year dates.

519 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:59:53am

re: #451 Vicious Babushka

His Twitter account, which is not actually managed by him but by some unpaid intern, is just trollbait.

I understand…but I apply the old “The Buck Stops” with you Stevie. It’s in your name…own it big guy.

520 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:00:16am

Fact is this. Cuccinelli had all the advantages. Precedent, having been elected statewide before and thus name recognition, and an electorate that favors him more so than McAuliffe. And he still lost. Why? Because he’s a kook. McAuliffe’s an opportunist flake but he lives in reality. He’s not going to user the governor’s mansion to harass people who believe in climate change, like blowjobs, or want to be in gay friendly organizations.

521 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:00:56am

re: #517 Targetpractice

Huckleberry Closetcase really wants to start another fight over abortion in Congress with mid-terms coming up?

Worked so well here in Virginia.//

522 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:01:33am

re: #517 Targetpractice

Huckleberry Closetcase really wants to start another fight over abortion in Congress with mid-terms coming up?

Yes, please. More of this!

523 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:02:49am

re: #517 Targetpractice

Huckleberry Closetcase really wants to start another fight over abortion in Congress with mid-terms coming up?

And another government shutdown over Obamacare. One in February and another in August.

and I say, “please?”

524 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:03:23am

Kang had a better approach on abortion than these clowns do. “Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.”
Youtube Video
I still would have voted for Kodos though.

525 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:03:33am

re: #518 kirkspencer

fwiw, I was taught that today would be 07NOV2013. And that was back in the 1980s. We were told “because NATO, that’s why” when asking why four the year dates.

Must have been scared of the pending Y2K. Or your instructor was from WWI.

527 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:05:52am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

Well, I’m really not interested; I’m an atheist.

ETA: I’m always a bit amused at the shock on people’s faces, even the Baptists I sometimes get around here.

Sad. You want to create some real confusion? Tell them God made atheists too. How else did you get here?

I tend to be more a deist but still in study. And, I am always open for more knowledge about the whole damn thing, so I don’t criticize anyone for whatever they are. I just ask they keep an open mind for everyone and themselves.

528 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:05:55am

re: #526 Killgore Trout

Pakistan Taliban names militant who ordered attack on schoolgirl as leader

Didn’t mention where they’re holding the inauguration, did they?

529 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:07:48am

re: #526 Killgore Trout

Oh good, another Drone Target.

530 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:09:12am

I couldn’t decide on the vocabulary word for today:

PRONUNCIATION:
(puh-GROM, POH-gruhm)

MEANING:
noun: An organized massacre, officially tolerated or encouraged, against a particular group.

ETYMOLOGY:
From Yiddish pogrom, from Russian pogrom (destruction). Earliest documented use: 1891.

NOTES:
The word is usually applied to the massacre of Jews in Russia and Eastern Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

USAGE:
“Kyrgyz nationalists unleashed a ferocious pogrom against the Uzbekh minority.”
Misha Glenny; Life in Putin’s Russia; The Irish Times (Dublin); Oct 29, 2011.

and/or

schmo or schmoe or shmo

PRONUNCIATION:
(shmo)

MEANING:
noun: A stupid, boring, or obnoxious person.

ETYMOLOGY:
A truncated form of schmuck (an idiot), from Yiddish schmok (pen is). Earliest documented use: 1948.

NOTES:
The word is also used in the phrase Joe Schmo, as a more colorful synonym for John Doe.

USAGE:
“Just because I work at a bar does not mean I want to date every schmo that walks in here.”
Joey Guerra; Bartender Confessions: Jodi Minear; Houston Chronicle (Texas); Dec 9, 2010.

531 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:09:45am

re: #527 ObserverArt

Sad. You want to create some real confusion? Tell them God made atheists too. How else did you get here?

I tend to be more a deist but still in study. And, I am always open for more knowledge about the whole damn thing, so I don’t criticize anyone for whatever they are. I just ask they keep an open mind for everyone and themselves.

I get honestly really confused with how religious zealots view God. Okay, God is apparently all knowing and powerful yet he can’t prevent someone from “choosing to be gay” or prevent things like the Holocaust but he will if your nation or state enacts gay friendly or choice friendly legislation, he’ll punish your state with natural disasters. Me? I’m comfortably agnostic. I don’t know if there is a God and honestly I don’t really care at this point. I want to live the best life I can and if there is a God, great, and an afterlfie, fine but I’m focused with the life I’ve been given here. I do not think of myself as beyond mortal but I do not let a man made construct define me either and force me to live in fear of retribution because I may have looked at porn, drank too much, listened to loud music (even though I’m not a metal fan), etc.

532 CuriousLurker  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:11:26am

Just in case anyone isn’t feeling stressed out enough:

Saudi nuclear weapons ‘on order’ from Pakistan

Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.

While the kingdom’s quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran’s atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.

Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery. […]

The story of Saudi Arabia’s project - including the acquisition of missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads over long ranges - goes back decades.

In the late 1980s they secretly bought dozens of CSS-2 ballistic missiles from China.

These rockets, considered by many experts too inaccurate for use as conventional weapons, were deployed 20 years ago.

This summer experts at defence publishers Jane’s reported the completion of a new Saudi CSS-2 base with missile launch rails aligned with Israel and Iran. […]

533 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:11:39am

re: #528 Decatur Deb

Didn’t mention where they’re holding the inauguration, did they?

That would make Alan Grayson sad.

534 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:12:35am

re: #531 HappyWarrior

I get honestly really confused with how religious zealots view God. Okay, God is apparently all knowing and powerful yet he can’t prevent someone from “choosing to be gay” or prevent things like the Holocaust but he will if your nation or state enacts gay friendly or choice friendly legislation, he’ll punish your state with natural disasters. Me? I’m comfortably agnostic. I don’t know if there is a God and honestly I don’t really care at this point. I want to live the best life I can and if there is a God, great, and an afterlfie, fine but I’m focused with the life I’ve been given here. I do not think of myself as beyond mortal but I do not let a man made construct define me either and force me to live in fear of retribution because I may have looked at porn, drank too much, listened to loud music (even though I’m not a metal fan), etc.

I reject the notion of the christian god, and do so without a hint of worry or care, for the very same reason that they have rejected the notions of the norse gods, or the roman gods, or the greek gods, or the hindu gods, or the pagan gods, or…

535 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:12:47am

re: #530 FemNaziBitch

schmo or schmoe or shmo

WEST SIDE STORY LYRICS, BROADWAY VERSION:

Dear Mrs. Social Worker,
They say go earn a buck
Like be a soda jerker
Which means I’ll be a shmuck!

WEST SIDE STORY LYRICS, HOLLYWOOD VERSION:

Dear Mrs. Social Worker,
They say go earn some dough
Like be a soda jerker
Which means I’ll be a shmoe!

WEST SIDE STORY LYRICS, REHEARSAL VERSION:

Dear Mrs. Social Worker,
They say go earn a buck
Like be a soda jerker
But I don’t give a fuck

536 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:12:53am

I read Malala’s book yesterday (listened)

It’s easy to forget that Pakistan and other parts of the Arab/Persian world were rather progressive not so long ago. Then the Religious Zealots got into power.

We really, really need to make sure that doesn’t happen here.

537 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:13:22am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

Religious ones I simply say I’m happy with my church, god bless them & shut the door before they respond.

They don’t even get to the door.

Image: Go_Away.JPG

538 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:14:33am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

I gotta love though how people in the industry got pissed off at the Dixie Chicks for an off hand comment and yet they’re bringing their politics to their award show. Feh. Outlaw country is better than anyhow. Gimme Van Zandt, Earle, and those guys over the mainstream.

I was gonna make a mention of this. Thanks.

539 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:15:23am

re: #527 ObserverArt

Sad. You want to create some real confusion? Tell them God made atheists too. How else did you get here?

I tend to be more a deist but still in study. And, I am always open for more knowledge about the whole damn thing, so I don’t criticize anyone for whatever they are. I just ask they keep an open mind for everyone and themselves.

I didn’t say I laughed at them, only that I am always amused when people assume that everyone believes in a “god” of some sort, esp around here, where it’s assumed to be the christian god. It doesn’t occur to them to consider any other religion or no religion at all.

I know how I got here—I was born via my mother who was impregnated by my father and carried me in her uterus for the required amt of time it took for me to be ready to be born. I think most people, at least if they have any schooling at all, know how biology works these days.

540 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:15:34am

Speaking of Malala.

I want to acknowledge her father. He is another fine example of a Good Man who get’s the concept of equality and isn’t afraid to stand-up with his daughter.

541 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:16:36am

re: #525 Decatur Deb

Must have been scared of the pending Y2K. Or your instructor was from WWI.

1980s, not 1990s.

And I would never call a drill “scared”. Well, I might now, 30 odd years later.

So long as I was sure he wouldn’t hear me. //

542 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:18:09am

re: #534 GunstarGreen

I reject the notion of the christian god, and do so without a hint of worry or care, for the very same reason that they have rejected the notions of the norse gods, or the roman gods, or the greek gods, or the hindu gods, or the pagan gods, or…

Right. And it’s other things like the immaculate birth. I know that one especially is why my Dad struggled with Christianity and this was someone who had your typical Catholic education. I think religion sometimes offers up good advice but we need to be good people not because some old scripture tells us too, being a good person is just the right thing to do.

543 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:18:09am

re: #514 ObserverArt

Also, I know there is a huge debate if Jesus of Nazareth was practicing Judaism or was he leading to a transition of the one-on-one relationship that is at the root of Christianity. I think that debate will always go on.

Good point to make.

I know that the heart of my study & my Christianity is the belief that he was a good orthodox Jewish man for his time. Later followers got the boot from the synagogues for a number of reasons and things only got worse after Paul died and people kept writing in his name but not his beliefs.

I have a great recent New Testament, “The Jewish Annotated New Testament” edited by Amy-Jill Levine and Marc Z. Brettler. It takes the NRSV translation and annotates it with lessons and understandings of the books from the traditions of Judaism.

My copy of Pirkei Avot (which I’m also getting emailed weekly lessons on - just started Chapter 4) has also been very valuable in understanding the basis of my own beliefs.

544 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:18:50am

re: #541 kirkspencer

1980s, not 1990s.

And I would never call a drill “scared”. Well, I might now, 30 odd years later.

So long as I was sure he wouldn’t hear me. //

We were about two months out of Basic when we started using the phrase: “Man, if I knew then what I know know.”

545 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:19:57am

re: #538 ObserverArt

I was gonna make a mention of this. Thanks.

Heh which part? The hypocritical or pointing out that not all country musicians are a bunch of hacks? I was raised on alt-country. To this day, my favorite Dylan album is Nashville Skyline.

546 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:20:45am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

I gotta love though how people in the industry got pissed off at the Dixie Chicks for an off hand comment and yet they’re bringing their politics to their award show. Feh. Outlaw country is better than anyhow. Gimme Van Zandt, Earle, and those guys over the mainstream.

Only country I listen to right now is country-punk by Lydia Loveless. Good stuff.

547 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:21:15am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Right. And it’s other things like the immaculate birth. I know that one especially is why my Dad struggled with Christianity and this was someone who had your typical Catholic education. I think religion sometimes offers up good advice but we need to be good people not because some old scripture tells us too, being a good person is just the right thing to do.

“Actually, Sir and Madam, allow me to ask you a question. Have you examined your relationship with Allfather Odin and your preparedness for the Ragnarok? Do you believe in your heart that you will be ready when the Valkyries come?”

“Have a nice day now.”

548 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:21:26am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

There is one certain somewhat country-girl musician I like. :)

549 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:21:47am

re: #539 Justanotherhuman

I didn’t say I laughed at them, only that I am always amused when people assume that everyone believes in a “god” of some sort, esp around here, where it’s assumed to be the christian god. It doesn’t occur to them to consider any other religion or no religion at all.

I know how I got here—I was born via my mother who was impregnated by my father and carried me in her uterus for the required amt of time it took for me to be ready to be born. I think most people, at least if they have any schooling at all, know how biology works these days.

Justanotherhuman,

I hope you were not taking that word ‘sad’ as an insult to you. I did not mean it in that manner. I meant that it was ‘sad’ the way they reacted to you, not your reaction to them.

If you take that into consideration and add it to the rest of my post, you’ll discover I am on your side and support it. Hope you understand. If I thought you were sad, I’d being going against everything else I typed.

Words…dammit…sometimes they fail me.

550 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:22:07am

re: #546 William Barnett-Lewis

Only country I listen to right now is country-punk by Lydia Loveless. Good stuff.

Country-punk, now that sounds interest. I’ll youtube her. Always up for hearing new stuff.

551 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:22:42am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

Right. And it’s other things like the immaculate birth. I know that one especially is why my Dad struggled with Christianity and this was someone who had your typical Catholic education. I think religion sometimes offers up good advice but we need to be good people not because some old scripture tells us too, being a good person is just the right thing to do.

You want to get most Christians really tangled get them to talk about the trinity. So, you really have three gods?

Or if you’re just going for the irritation factor, ask them to explain the parable of the vineyard. So what you’re saying is that in Christ everyone gets paid the same regardless of when they started or what they did?

552 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:23:00am

re: #548 ProTARDISLiberal

There is one certain somewhat country-girl musician I like. :)

Kasey Musgraves is cute. Most of my taste is old school though in that genre. Emmylou Harris, Van Zandt, etc.

553 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:23:11am

re: #544 Decatur Deb

We were about two months out of Basic when we started using the phrase: “Man, if I knew then what I know know.”

“There is the right way, the wrong way & the Army way. We will teach you the Army way. When you get to your units, you’ll learn the right way.”

Drill Instructor, 19E OSUT Ft. Knox 1982.

554 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:24:31am

re: #537 Bubblehead II

They don’t even get to the door.

Image: Go_Away.JPG

I still like this one better:

Please Read Before Knocking

555 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:24:32am

re: #551 kirkspencer

You want to get most Christians really tangled get them to talk about the trinity. So, you really have three gods?

Or if you’re just going for the irritation factor, ask them to explain the parable of the vineyard. So what you’re saying is that in Christ everyone gets paid the same regardless of when they started or what they did?

Yep. Christ was a universalist - everyone who comes to the party gets saved. ;)

556 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:25:00am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

Heh which part? The hypocritical or pointing out that not all country musicians are a bunch of hacks? I was raised on alt-country. To this day, my favorite Dylan album is Nashville Skyline.

Both! But I was going to post more about the hypocrisy.

I like good songwriters and many of the outlaws are better, more feeling songwriters than the Nashville machine products.

I have never liked machine music, no matter what style or where it comes from.

557 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:26:10am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Taylor Swift fan here.

Strangely, the other favourites of mine are Nightwish, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Bon Jovi, and Queen.

558 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:26:20am

Three levels of Understanding (As I remember from Carl Jung’s book on —freaking can’t remember)

1-Those who understand what they can perceive thru their senses
2-Those who understand what they can infer from their senses
3-Those who just know.

To which I add my own:
4-Those who just know and can’t accept what they perceive thru their senses or don’t trust their own freakin’ eyes and brains.

Which do you think I slot the Religious Zealots.

559 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:26:23am

I always get amused at the Christians who say cut that hair and shave that beard hippie to guys usually college aged sporting that look.Because Christ was clean shaved and wore a business short type cut. Kind of like how the Mormons don’t drink alcohol.

560 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:27:18am

re: #62 Bubblehead II

>Po-210 has a half-life of 138 days. This is the time it takes for the activity to decrease by half due to a process of radioactive decay. Po-210 decays to stable lead-206 by emitting alpha particles, accompanied by very low intensity gamma rays. The majority of the time Po-210 decays by emission of alpha particles only, not by emission of an alpha particle and a gamma ray. Only about one in a 100,000 decays results in the emission of a gamma ray. Alpha spectroscopy is the best method of measuring this isotope.

Source IAEA

And they got this from a corps, how many years old?

Something stinks. And it’s not the corps.

I took a long look at the report. You what theory the report supports exactly as well as the Israeli theory?

Take this as snark people not a proposal.
Arafat was murdered by his wife. She had financial motive, opportunity, was seen with Arafat…

561 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:28:06am

re: #556 ObserverArt

Both! But I was going to post more about the hypocrisy.

I like good songwriters and many of the outlaws are better, more feeling songwriters than the Nashville machine products.

I have never liked machine music, no matter what style or where it comes from.

Yeah as I get older I value songwriting more and more over sound alone. And I’m with you about music as a whole. I’ve really gotten into the Indy sound the past couple years and I like it. But here’s how I know I’m not a full on hipster. I get excited when music I like takes off. Heard a Langhorne Slim song on MSNBC Tuesday evening when I was watching election results. That was cool having had seen him live.

562 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:28:54am

Jesus in Our Nation’s Capital

Basilica of the National Shrine.

I nearly LOL when I walked in and saw this over the altar. It still makes me chuckle.

563 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:29:42am

re: #549 ObserverArt

Justanotherhuman,

I hope you were not taking that word ‘sad’ as an insult to you. I did not mean it in that manner. I meant that it was ‘sad’ the way they reacted to you, not your reaction to them.

If you take that into consideration and add it to the rest of my post, you’ll discover I am on your side and support it. Hope you understand. If I thought you were sad, I’d being going against everything else I typed.

Words…dammit…sometimes they fail me.

Oh hell, they fail me all the time. : )

564 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:30:13am

re: #560 Political Atheist

I’m right now going with (assuming this is not BS.) is that Russia was involved. They are the only nation to have ever use Po-210 as a tool of assassination.

Moreover, Russia’s report said that Po-210 wasn’t involved. Granted, it could just be a difference in methods, but it could also mean that the Russian Government is trying to hide something.

565 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:30:42am

Youtube Video
New group I like. Read a review of their latest and RS said they were a band to watch. It’s funny when I was more of a political nerd in HS, I’d read RS for their political stories. Now first thing I do is go straight to the reviews.

566 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:31:31am

re: #562 FemNaziBitch

Jesus in Our Nation’s Capital

Basilica of the National Shrine.

I nearly LOL when I walked in and saw this over the altar. It still makes me chuckle.

Shit I pass by that all the time.

567 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:32:10am

re: #562 FemNaziBitch

Jesus in Our Nation’s Capital

Basilica of the National Shrine.

I nearly LOL when I walked in and saw this over the altar. It still makes me chuckle.

Heh. Though I’m far more fond of the moon rock window at the National Cathedral.

Image: national-cathedral-space-window-1.jpg

568 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:32:53am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. Though I’m far more fond of the moon rock window at the National Cathedral.

Image: national-cathedral-space-window-1.jpg

Yes, saw that on the same trip. Very Kewl!

569 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:33:36am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

That is beautiful.

We need a Doctor Who episode set in Washington D.C., with the climax at that Cathedral.

570 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:33:42am

re: #564 ProTARDISLiberal

Maybe a chemist is in the house, but as I understand it nobody in finding polonium in Arafat, just break down products that include a very common metal-lead.

Is polonium the only way to get lead 206? I don’t think so.

571 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:34:28am

re: #543 William Barnett-Lewis

You might enjoy the selection at the Zionist Mall bookstore.

572 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:35:11am

bbl

573 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #557 ProTARDISLiberal

You had me at Nightwish

574 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:38:37am

Also, I notice Arafat died within a few years of Litvinenko (also poisoned with Polonium-210) and within a very short time near when Victor Yushchenko was poisoned with Dioxin, which heavily scarred his body.

I like Russia for this. I don’t know what the motive might have been, but it seems to make sense. To me at least.

575 klys  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:42:03am

re: #570 Political Atheist

Maybe a chemist is in the house, but as I understand it nobody in finding polonium in Arafat, just break down products that include a very common metal-lead.

Is polonium the only way to get lead 206? I don’t think so.

I haven’t looked at the report yet. Maybe if I have time later.

Pb206 is the stable result of the uranium decay chain. However, other isotopes of lead and/or other radioactive substances may be present as well, depending on what the isotopic make-up of the polonium was.

See here.

576 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:42:39am

re: #574 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, I notice Arafat died within a few years of Litvinenko (also poisoned with Polonium-210) and within a very short time near when Victor Yushchenko was poisoned with Dioxin, which heavily scarred his body.

I like Russia for this. I don’t know what the motive might have been, but it seems to make sense. To me at least.

My wild-eyed guess is Suha hired some Russian gangster for the hit. Maybe used a Chechen assassin.

577 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:43:50am
578 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:50:00am

re: #546 William Barnett-Lewis

Only country I listen to right now is country-punk by Lydia Loveless. Good stuff.

I loves me some Rosie Flores.

Youtube Video

579 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:52:21am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Country-punk, now that sounds interest. I’ll youtube her. Always up for hearing new stuff.

Be careful with the typing.

580 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:55:44am

re: #525 Decatur Deb

Must have been scared of the pending Y2K. Or your instructor was from WWI.

Maybe because the Army had records pre-dating 1900?

581 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:00:03am

re: #580 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe because the Army had records pre-dating 1900?

Only the use-by dates on the C-rats. (Hence: “once a century”)

582 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:10:16am

Well, I guess it stands to reason that he was killed, he had no shortage of enemies. Israel certainly among them, and god knows how many Israeli’s were killed on orders of Arafat over the years. However, it seems unlikely that anyone will every produce any evidence whatsoever as to who is responsible all these years later. Given that, one might expect some restraint with respect to statements as to who is responsible. Alas, we are talking about the Palestinians and reaction in the Arab world. In the end, I confess to not caring who killed this lying murderer who is as responsible for Palestinian’s misery as any Israeli PM.

583 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:11:28am

re: #571 Vicious Babushka

You might enjoy the selection at the Zionist Mall bookstore.

There are a number of things I’d like to get from there when I can afford them. Not sure what the next best after the PA would be though.

584 Flavia  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:28:02am

re: #222 piratedan

gonna be hard to justify standing your ground with shooting an unarmed black girl in the back of the head

Yeah, right. Just you watch

(so disgusted right now, I’m either going to cry & break something. Possibly both)


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