60 Minutes Backing Down on Benghazi Report? Update: CBS Pulls 60 Minutes Benghazi Video Page

“New information undercuts the account told to us by Morgan Jones”
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A terse announcement at the 60 Minutes website indicates that CBS has realized they can’t ignore this one any more: 60 Minutes Reviewing Account of Morgan Jones on Benghazi.

60 Minutes has learned of new information that undercuts the account told to us by Morgan Jones of his actions on the night of the attack on the Benghazi compound.

We are currently looking into this serious matter to determine if he misled us, and if so, we will make a correction.

(h/t: Gus.)

UPDATE at 11/7/13 5:56:48 pm

CBS has now pulled down the page for their Benghazi report:

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Accounts Differ to F.B.I. and CBS on Benghazi

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281 comments
1 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:32:57pm
We are currently looking into this serious matter to determine if he misled us, and if so, we will make a correction.

Yeah, umm, when I got to the bolded part, my bullshit detector exploded. FAKE BUT ACCURATE!

2 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:34:41pm

Pro tip: When Fox News refuses to run a Benghazi story, that should be a red flag.

3 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:41:31pm

re: #2 Lidane

Pro tip: When Fox News refuses to run a Benghazi story, that should be a red flag.

No, it should be a bullhorn in your face blaring DON’T RUN WITH THIS STORY!

4 Norbrook  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:42:48pm

Hmm… you know, there used to be a time when news organizations would do things like … fact checking … before they aired the story.

But, then again, their bullshit detectors need to be sent back to the factory for recalibration. Seriously, his story of “heroics” on his part had all sorts of unlikely events in it.

5 Ming  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:43:45pm

“We are currently looking into this serious matter…”

Now Benghazi is a “serious matter,” now that CBS news is facing embarrassment.

Too bad CBS didn’t take Benghazi seriously when it was “only” a news story, not a source of embarrassment for them. They might have “looked into” it then.

6 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:44:07pm

Here’s How CBS Correspondent Lara Logan Describes Her Dubious Benghazi Witness

mediamatters.org

“It’s clear that CBS correspondent Lara Logan truly admires Dylan Davies, the British security contractor with a starring eyewitness role in the 60 Minutes report that has galvanized new attention on the September 2012 attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya.

(snip)

The 60 Minutes report was the result of a year-long investigation by Logan and producer Max McClellan. In the Q&A, they describe what Logan terms an “exhaustive” interview process, speaking with what McClellen describes as “dozens and dozens and dozens” of background interviews over “months and months.

“Journalism is not about making a case, it’s about finding the facts,” Logan said. “In this story, you had to work really hard to find the facts and not be seduced by anybody.”

So, a “year-long investigation” with “dozens and dozens and dozens” of background interviews over “months and months” still failed to reveal Davies’ lies? Was there, in fact, some kind of seduction? It wouldn’t be the first time Logan has been accused of getting too close to her sources.

7 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:44:30pm

re: #4 Norbrook

Hmm… you know, there used to be a time when news organizations would do things like … fact checking … before they aired the story.

But, then again, their bullshit detectors need to be sent back to the factory for recalibration. Seriously, his story of “heroics” on his part had all sorts of unlikely events in it.

News media today is afraid of getting scooped by bloggers and social media. The thing of it is, even though they’re so afraid of it to the point where they’re rushing stories to production, THEY’RE STILL LOSING. Maybe they should step back and use the vast powers of the Interwebs as a proper source, rather than viewing it as competition…

8 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:45:08pm

How many days ago did this start to turn rotten and they are just now getting around to wondering if the story is legit?

Sheesh. Talk about the ‘net getting the jump on old media.

9 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:45:53pm

Interesting that they’ve pulled the video with no further explanation than a “This page cannot be found” header.

10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:48:47pm
11 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:51:25pm
12 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:52:35pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Two guys walk into a bar. The third one ducks.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:52:53pm

re: #8 ObserverArt

How many days ago did this start to turn rotten and they are just now getting around to wondering if the story is legit?

Sheesh. Talk about the ‘net getting the jump on old media.

They still haven’t fully admitted how they screwed up with the Killian memos, and that was 9 years ago.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:54:02pm

If only Stephen Glass had waited another 15 years he probably could have gotten away with it for as long as he wanted.

15 missliberties  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:54:05pm

Good.

Now if that damn librul media would start doing some honest reporting regarding how many GOP run states have refused to run the ACA exchanges, and how many states have refused the medicaid expansion, and how many millions of people that would hurt, and we might be in business.

16 Gus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:54:23pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

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webcache.googleusercontent.com

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:54:31pm

re: #11 teleskiguy


I’m still seeing it.
Because it’s in my cache? Should I get a screenshot?

18 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:54:43pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m still seeing it.
Because it’s in my cache? Should I get a screenshot?

Yes.

19 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:56:06pm

Still don’t understand the point of this bullshit story anyway. Some guy was there and punched out some terrorist dude? What?

20 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:01pm

re: #16 Gus

webcache.googleusercontent.com

The internet never forgets.

21 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:32pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

The internet never forgets.

Rule #1 of the Internet: The Internet is forever.

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:57:33pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Yes.

60 Minutes screenshot

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:58:33pm

re: #21 thedopefishlives

Rule #1 of the Internet: The Internet is forever.

And so is Ric Flair. WOOOOOO!

24 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 5:58:58pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

60 Minutes screenshot

If you click in the upper left on “Video: 60 Minutes: Benghazi” it’ll 404.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:00:18pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

If you click in the upper left on “Video: 60 Minutes: Benghazi” it’ll 404.

ahhh. I didn’t bother to click on the video linkie. Buffering issues here.

26 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:01:01pm

Updates on Typhoon Yolanda in The Philippines.

twitter.com

27 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:01:06pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

ahhh. I didn’t bother to click on the video linkie. Buffering issues here.

Try Excedrin instead.

Oh, wow, man - deja vu!

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:01:36pm

re: #27 GeneJockey

Try Excedrin instead.

Oh, wow, man - deja vu!

heh…
I still have scotch…

29 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:02:03pm

Did 60 Minutes scrub all their Killian Documents reporting from their site?

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:03:01pm

Accounts Differ to F.B.I. and CBS on Benghazi

The information he provided in an F.B.I. interview was described Thursday by two senior government officials as completely consistent with an incident report by the Blue Mountain security business, which had been hired to protect United States interests in Benghazi. The officials who spoke said they had been briefed on the government investigation.

Mr. Davies, who worked for Blue Mountain, has disavowed the incident report, saying in an interview last week with the online magazine The Daily Beast that he did not write it and had never even seen it, and was not responsible for the account of events it contained.

31 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:04:25pm
Jeff Fager, the chairman of CBS News and executive producer of “60 Minutes,” said Thursday, “We’re surprised to hear about this, and if it shows we’ve been misled, we will make a correction.”
32 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:27pm

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

33 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:06:45pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Accounts Differ to F.B.I. and CBS on Benghazi

Ouch. I guess they better move his book over to the Fiction section.

34 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:05pm

Charles, in re: your update to this post, it appears they pulled the video of the report they aired on 27 Oct. If you type “benghazi” in the search field, you’ll still get a bunch of Benghazi stuff.

Pulling the report entirely, though, is pretty damning.

35 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:33pm

re: #7 thedopefishlives

News media today is afraid of getting scooped by bloggers and social media. The thing of it is, even though they’re so afraid of it to the point where they’re rushing stories to production, THEY’RE STILL LOSING. Maybe they should step back and use the vast powers of the Interwebs as a proper source, rather than viewing it as competition…

That story wasn’t rushed. See my comment above,

“The 60 Minutes report was the result of a year-long investigation by Logan and producer Max McClellan. In the Q&A, they describe what Logan terms an “exhaustive” interview process, speaking with what McClellen describes as “dozens and dozens and dozens” of background interviews over “months and months.”

36 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:07:36pm

re: #33 GeneJockey

Ouch. I guess they better move his book over to the Fiction section.

lol

37 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:08:23pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Ah! Never mind! You worded the update correctly. We now return to regularly scheduled stuff.

38 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:10:37pm

What is really bad about this kind of dud story is those that want to believe it already have it in their brains as gospel. And a change at a late date either goes unnoticed or will be seen as pressure from the Presidents and his ‘gang’ to change it as a coverup.

39 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:11:33pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

What is really bad about this kind of dud story is those that want to believe it already have it in their brains as gospel. And a change at a late date either goes unnoticed or will be seen as pressure from the Presidents and his ‘gang’ to change it as a coverup.

Yes, that. Ripe pickings for the conspiracy theorists.

40 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:15:09pm

re: #12 thedopefishlives

Two guys walk into a bar. The third one ducks.

Neddie (aside): The voice came from a man with a military bearing, which he tossed in the air and caught. He emerged from the darkness and walked into the light.
FX: BONG!

41 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:22:15pm

benghazi, n., a persistent buzzing noise thought to be indicative of emotional displacement disorders

42 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:24:19pm

re: #40 Mentis Fugit

Neddie (aside): The voice came from a man with a military bearing, which he tossed in the air and caught. He emerged from the darkness and walked into the light.
FX: BONG!

i say, moriarity!

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:25:51pm

MrB_S has arrived home for the weekend.
He’s been fed, has drink in one hand and remote control in the other (and watching silly movies).
So I shall bid all the lizards a good night. Sleep well. See everyone tomorrow…

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44 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:27:25pm

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

45 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:27:28pm

CBS: 0
Internets: 2

46 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:28:59pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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That guy is sooo not ready for battle. Carry that much shit, and you’re screwed.

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:29:42pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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Yet they want to use that same “tyrannical” government to force their idea of what marriage should be on others. Riddle me fucking that. Or the fact they want more prisons.

48 missliberties  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:29:49pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

This more than irks me about all the ‘news’ stories that the media runs with. It’s dangerous and irresponsible.

They lie repeatedly and get away with it. Priming the lush wet imaginations of the right wing freak-o-nuts who don’t need much of a push to go all the way over the edge to crazy town.

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:30:06pm

re: #46 darthstar

That guy is sooo not ready for battle. Carry that much shit, and you’re screwed.

His chiropractor on the other hand will be rolling in the dough.

50 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:30:23pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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yet another member of the 4th armchair brigade

51 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:30:33pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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More like Operation WTF.

52 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:30:41pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Yes, that. Ripe pickings for the conspiracy theorists.

Hell, PBO could be caught on camera passing gas while talking to a group of republicans and these nut jobs would go bonkers.

OMG! Representatives Humpledink, Mcdipshit and Dumkauf hospitilized for unknown reasons. Obama gassed them.

Real reason, they all drank some white lightning sent to Rep. Mcdipshit by one of his fellow patriots and true Americans.

////

53 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:31:04pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

How are those elections workin out for ya, LNYHBT?

54 missliberties  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:31:16pm

re: #46 darthstar

It sounds like he has a very serious case of PTSD. Either that or he is just a lying scumbag.

55 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:31:18pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

I’m behind, but what madness does #lnyhbt stand for?

56 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:32:00pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

I’m behind, but what madness does #lnyhbt stand for?

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled.

57 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:32:05pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

“Here me now and believe in three weeks…We’re here to…Pump You Up!”

58 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:33:26pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

Somebody please send these troubled hearts one of those old SNL Hanz and Franz clips.

“We the people, Yah”

59 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:33:27pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled.

geeze, they’re delirious.

and thanks I guess.

60 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:33:41pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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I’m shaking in my slippers. Haven’t these idiots gotten it through their thick heads that we the people are just as well armed as they are and we will defend ouselves and families?

61 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:33:51pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

I’m behind, but what madness does #lnyhbt stand for?

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled. It’s actually from the Bible (John 14:1, KJV version), but these loons use it because IIRC Sean Hannity says it on his show all the time.

62 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:34:20pm

I love how they think they’re the only part of the We the People and act like anyone who doesn’t share their narrow view is somehow less of an American or to the really demented even less of a human.

63 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:35:32pm

re: #61 Lidane

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled. It’s actually from the Bible (John 14:1, KJV version), but these loons use it because IIRC Sean Hannity says it on his show all the time.

I don’t get all the Bible-thumping from the religious right. If I were them, I would be terribly ashamed of myself for all the completely stupid things that the religious freakazoid nutjobs are spewing in my name these days.

64 Archangelus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:35:49pm

re: #60 Bubblehead II

I’m shaking in my slippers. Haven’t these idiots gotten it through their thick heads that we the people are just as well armed as they are and we will defend ouselves and families?

Oh but don’t you know how they vastly outnumber and out-gun the rest of us nobodies? We’re supposed to be terrified of their awesome might and the massive threat that they pose… /IndustrialGradeSarc

65 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:36:20pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled.

Oh. Good. It’s not.

66 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:37:23pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

Updates on Typhoon Yolanda in The Philippines.

twitter.com

I’m actually encouraged by much of what I am seeing in this storm so far. Not a lot of inland flooding from storm surge has been reported yet. Wind and rain you can take. Fifteen feet of water?

Not so much.

Oh, and from the beginning of that interview, Morgan Jones struck me as being as shady as a three-hundred year old live oak.

67 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:37:31pm

re: #52 Bubblehead II

Hell, PBO could be caught on camera passing gas while talking to a group of republicans and these nut jobs would go bonkers.

OMG! Representatives Humpledink, Mcdipshit and Dumkauf hospitilized for unknown reasons. Obama gassed them.

Real reason, they all drank some white lightning sent to Rep. Mcdipshit by one of his fellow patriots and true Americans.

////

What I love about their narrative about Obama is Obama’s filled with rage and hatred towards America and Americans yet these are the people who are some of the most angry people you’ll ever meet. i once got told by a Coulter fan that libs were so hateful. I had to remind her who she expressed a liking for.

68 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:37:54pm

re: #64 Archangelus

Oh but don’t you know how they vastly outnumber and out-gun the rest of us nobodies? We’re supposed to be terrified of their awesome might and the massive threat that they pose… /IndustrialGradeSarc

Considering that their idea of traitors to the state includes tween black kids that dare to make eye contact and women that are dressed slutty…yes, they’re scary. Just not in the way they imagine themselves to be scary.

69 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:38:00pm

re: #60 Bubblehead II

I’m shaking in my slippers. Haven’t these idiots gotten it through their thick heads that we the people are just as well armed as they are and we will defend ouselves and families?

you mean you’re not sipping chardonnay at a fundraiser for save the whales while eating quiche and espousing non-violence, socialism, and moral relativism?

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:38:25pm

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

These #lnyhbt wingnuts are so fucked up.

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Little baby comes to my door he’d be rather unhappy.

71 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:38:26pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Oh. Good. It’s not.

I’m cool. Everybody else cool? Good!
Fonz-with-aviators

72 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:38:36pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Oh. Good. It’s not.

But their heads are.

73 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:38:52pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I love how they think they’re the only part of the We the People and act like anyone who doesn’t share their narrow view is somehow less of an American or to the really demented even less of a human.

“We The People” but not “You The People Who Are Black, Brown, Gay, Female, Muslim, Juice, Atheist, Immigrant & LIBRUL!!!!”

74 Archangelus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:39:03pm

re: #72 Joanne

But their heads are.

Yup. DEEPLY.

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:39:46pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

I don’t get all the Bible-thumping from the religious right. If I were them, I would be terribly ashamed of myself for all the completely stupid things that the religious freakazoid nutjobs are spewing in my name these days.

What’s struck me is how insane the religious freakazoid nutjobs are getting. I mean in the past, yeah it was vicious and nasty but man it just seems to get more and more stupid. We’ve heard that ENDA’s somehow going force people to be gay and Bryan Fischer has demons for housemates. John Edwards may have been right about there being Two Americas but I think the Two Americas are actually one that uses logic and reason to figure its way around this world of ours and another who thinks the Inquisition was too liberal.

76 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:40:21pm

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

“We The People” but not “You The People Who Are Black, Brown, Gay, Female, Muslim, Juice, Atheist, Immigrant & LIBRUL!!!!”

Yes, We the White Conservative Straight Christian people.

77 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:40:24pm

Here is another fucked up crazy person:

78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:40:51pm
79 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:41:01pm

re: #66 austin_blue

Oh, and from the beginning of that interview, Morgan Jones struck as being as shady as a three-hundred year old live oak.

If you could see that (I didn’t see the original broadcast itself), why couldn’t the reporter and producer have done so, over that year-long period of “investigation” and interviews? I don’t think either one of them was born yesterday.

80 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:41:13pm

re: #69 dog philosopher

you mean you’re not sipping chardonnay at a fundraiser for save the whales while eating quiche and espousing non-violence, socialism, and moral relativism?

If I need a fundraiser, it’s to buy a couple Saiga 12’s.

81 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:41:19pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Yes, We the White Conservative Straight Christian people.

We The People is set in contrast to Those People.

82 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:41:30pm

re: #64 Archangelus

Oh but don’t you know how they vastly outnumber and out-gun the rest of us nobodies? We’re supposed to be terrified of their awesome might and the massive threat that they pose… /IndustrialGradeSarc

Well gee, guess I will have to upgrade from shaking in my slippers to shaking in my what? Water wings?

//

83 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:42:18pm

re: #46 darthstar

That guy is sooo not ready for battle. Carry that much shit, and you’re screwed.

I’ve got zero military experience, but I was just trying to imagine how heavy and bulky all that stuff would be.

84 Joanne  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:42:40pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

I wonder if she thought that up all by herself. Such sophisticated thought; complex in its nuance. /

85 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:43:33pm

For the sport freaks…Stanford just went up 14-0 on Oregon. 11:26 to go second quarter.

86 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:43:36pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

What’s struck me is how insane the religious freakazoid nutjobs are getting. I mean in the past, yeah it was vicious and nasty but man it just seems to get more and more stupid. We’ve heard that ENDA’s somehow going force people to be gay and Bryan Fischer has demons for housemates. John Edwards may have been right about there being Two Americas but I think the Two Americas are actually one that uses logic and reason to figure its way around this world of ours and another who thinks the Inquisition was too liberal.

It’s driving a lot of people away from Christianity, and deservedly so. If churches are going to be preaching stupid ideas like Dominionism and Prosperity Gospel and Ooga Booga Stan Around Every Corner, they’re getting their just desserts. I have a lot of complaints against the modern Christian Church as a collective, and I’m a believer; how can I expect non-believers not to bring the same level of criticism or more?

87 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:45:15pm

re: #83 Lidane

I’ve got zero military experience, but I was just trying to imagine how heavy and bulky all that stuff would be.

I wouldn’t wear that much crap walking to a costume party. Don’t need military experience to recognize the multiple issues someone like that would have in a real fight.

88 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:46:04pm

re: #61 Lidane

Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled. It’s actually from the Bible (John 14:1, KJV version), but these loons use it because IIRC Sean Hannity says it on his show all the time.

The juxtaposition of the frothing hysterical conniption that comprises the body of the typical tweet with that tag is by turns amusing and terrifying.

89 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:46:29pm

re: #86 thedopefishlives

It’s driving a lot of people away from Christianity, and deservedly so. If churches are going to be preaching stupid ideas like Dominionism and Prosperity Gospel and Ooga Booga Stan Around Every Corner, they’re getting their just desserts. I have a lot of complaints against the modern Christian Church as a collective, and I’m a believer; how can I expect non-believers not to bring the same level of criticism or more?

It is but what worries me is these fire and brimstone type churches seem to be growing. I do hope as a baptized Catholic that Francis can make Catholicism a reasonable voice in the religious community. I don’t expect them to suddenly realize “Gays should be able to get married” but I’d be delighted if the church stopped seeing things like gays being able to adopt and marry as a threat to them. And I’d like to see more efforts preventing the conditions that lead to abortion in the first place than just condemning every women who chooses to get one as a slut.

90 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:47:13pm

re: #69 dog philosopher

you mean you’re not sipping chardonnay at a fundraiser for save the whales while eating quiche and espousing non-violence, socialism, and moral relativism?

Nope I sitting in front of my comuter drinking Natural Ice waiting for the chicken breasts stuffed with apple and almond stuffing to finish baking. Peas are also on the menu. Oh, and casting stones at the idots over to the right of me.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:47:30pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

If I need a fundraiser, it’s to buy a couple Saiga 12’s.

Cool. I’ll hold one for a Zastava LKP M76 alongside you.

92 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:48:33pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

For the sport freaks…Stanford just went up 14-0 on Oregon. 11:26 to go second quarter.

Yes, that’s about the best football news of the year :) Hope Stanford pulls it off.

93 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:48:43pm

re: #72 Joanne

But their heads are.

Troubled? nah. Deeply disturbed? Definatly.

94 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:50:11pm

re: #90 Bubblehead II

Nope I sitting in front of my comuter drinking Natural Ice waiting for the chicken breasts stuffed with apple and almond stuffing to finish baking. Peas are also on the menu. Oh, and casting stones at the idots over to the right of me.

Did homemade chicken nuggets (trying to keep the young guy happy) and baked squash.

95 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:51:09pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I just want to see churches actually listen to what Jesus really said, instead of what they feel like He said. “Love everybody” and “don’t judge people” seem pretty clear to me, but apparently those lessons didn’t sink in in theology school.

96 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:51:19pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

Cool. I’ll hold one for a Zastava LKP M76 alongside you.

Rep Pelosi would be so disappointed in us.

97 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:52:36pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

I just want to see churches actually listen to what Jesus really said, instead of what they feel like He said. “Love everybody” and “don’t judge people” seem pretty clear to me, but apparently those lessons didn’t sink in in theology school.

I feel ya. I’ve seen far too many ministers, priests, imams, etc who use their pulpit to hate rather than love.

98 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:52:38pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

I just want to see churches actually listen to what Jesus really said, instead of what they feel like He said. “Love everybody” and “don’t judge people” seem pretty clear to me, but apparently those lessons didn’t sink in in theology school.

I’d settle for churches not dumping money into politics in developing nations to promote laws that make homosexuality a capital offense.

99 dell*nix  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:52:55pm

re: #79 Justanotherhuman

April Oliver level of competence.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:53:19pm

Snow possible. Oh so I’ll get snowed on my first day of work. Uh yay. Glad I ahve a beanie.

101 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:54:14pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

I’d settle for churches not dumping money into politics in developing nations to promote laws that make homosexuality a capital offense.

The absolutely insane desire to legislate morality is absolutely my #1 biggest beef with the current state of the Church. It doesn’t matter whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation - it’s not now, it shouldn’t be, and legislating morality is a TERRIBLE idea.

102 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:54:35pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

I’d settle for churches not dumping money into politics in developing nations to promote laws that make homosexuality a capital offense.

Yeah, makes you grateful for the progress we’ve made here on said issues but at the same time makes you really worry for LGBT in the developing world. Scott Lively is a monster. Truly a terrible person.

103 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:55:44pm

re: #101 thedopefishlives

The absolutely insane desire to legislate morality is absolutely my #1 biggest beef with the current state of the Church. It doesn’t matter whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation - it’s not now, it shouldn’t be, and legislating morality is a TERRIBLE idea.

The other thing that troubles me is churches seem to want church and state to be together. Having church and state apart is something that is to both the state and also church’s advantage. Jefferson’s famous letter on separation of church and state after all was written to Baptists.

104 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:56:28pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Yeah, makes you grateful for the progress we’ve made here on said issues but at the same time makes you really worry for LGBT in the developing world. Scott Lively is a monster. Truly a terrible person.

It’s the measuring stick of what they’d do here if there wasn’t a strong, secular central government.

105 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:58:07pm

re: #104 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s the measuring stick of what they’d do here if there wasn’t a strong, secular central government.

And for that I am thankful for secularism and the Enlightenment daily.

106 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:59:27pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Snow possible. Oh so I’ll get snowed on my first day of work. Uh yay. Glad I ahve a beanie.

Does it have a propeller?

107 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:59:29pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

For the sport freaks…Stanford just went up 14-0 on Oregon. 11:26 to go second quarter.

And Baylor is kinda ripping Oklahoma a new asshole. 24-5 with ten minutes left in the third.

108 blueraven  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 6:59:51pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

Huh?? what do you think is going on?

109 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:00:55pm
110 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:03:09pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

The other thing that troubles me is churches seem to want church and state to be together. Having church and state apart is something that is to both the state and also church’s advantage. Jefferson’s famous letter on separation of church and state after all was written to Baptists.

My big thing is that churches are really so self-centered. Christians have made churches into their own little echo chambers where they worship and pray and have their own little rah-rah Jesus club, but it’s not supposed to be like that. Churches are supposed to be freaking SANCTUARIES, where anyone is welcome without judgment to come and meet with Jesus. They’ve strayed from their mission into politics, wealth accumulation, and exclusive socialization. It’s been a bee in my bonnet since I was a teenager, but I wasn’t able to articulate it nearly so well back then.

111 Teukka  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:03:30pm

Just noted this in forums I’m in:

Denial-of-service tool targeting Healthcare.gov site discovered

As I’m about to go to catch some Z’s, I won’t page this, but feel free to do so if you think it appropriate.

112 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:04:28pm

re: #111 Teukka

Just noted this in forums I’m in:

Denial-of-service tool targeting Healthcare.gov site discovered

As I’m about to go to catch some Z’s, I won’t page this, but feel free to do so if you think it appropriate.

How convenient for the wingnuts.

113 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:10:42pm

re: #110 thedopefishlives

My big thing is that churches are really so self-centered. Christians have made churches into their own little echo chambers where they worship and pray and have their own little rah-rah Jesus club, but it’s not supposed to be like that. Churches are supposed to be freaking SANCTUARIES, where anyone is welcome without judgment to come and meet with Jesus. They’ve strayed from their mission into politics, wealth accumulation, and exclusive socialization. It’s been a bee in my bonnet since I was a teenager, but I wasn’t able to articulate it nearly so well back then.

We have the rise of the megachurches to thank for stuff like that. When my great uncle was a RCC priest way back when. It was more community. Now I hear about preachers who drive sports cars and live in mansions. My uncle lived among the poor in a poor Louisiana parish and he sadly also struggled with alcoholism. The irony to me as someone baptized Catholic is seeing Evangelical churches which had their origins criticizing the glitz and glamour of Rome become just like that. I also really resent them using their political views to rationalize their religious views. Christ wasn’t a laissez-faire capitalist. I am not one who believes he was a communist either for that matter.

114 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:10:54pm

Just woke up to the fabulous news of the Breitbart-Paul alliance. He wont be running for president now. He will be penning Hillary attacks from the “inside” no doubt. I hope Scott Walkers impending book release is highly scrutinized as well.

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:11:36pm

re: #114 Amory Blaine

Just woke up to the fabulous news of the Breitbart-Paul alliance. He wont be running for president now. He will be penning Hillary attacks from the “inside” no doubt. Scott Walkers impending book release I hope is highly scrutinized as well.

Gotta hope that the Dems have a nice bulleye with Wanker’s name on it.

116 Zamb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:12:02pm

re: #84 Joanne

A facebook acquaintance had the brilliant insight of “Libtardation is communist” yesterday, such profound brilliance really must be shared with the masses.

117 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:12:27pm

re: #112 thedopefishlives

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence; after all, the right is the paragon of virtue and fair play.

118 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:12:52pm

re: #112 thedopefishlives

How convenient for the wingnuts.

Of course, there’s no way of knowing who wrote and posted the tool, which has been mentioned on social media sites. It’s certainly possible that it’s the work of critics of President Obama’s healthcare legislation. But until we learn more, there’s no way to rule out the possibility that it was developed by an Obamacare supporter with the hope of discrediting critics.

FALSE FLAG!!!11TY

*edit* from DFL’s link

119 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:12:58pm


This is really worth watching. Check it out.

120 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:13:35pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Jesus was the epitome of apolitical. I’ve mentioned this before, but he made a point of actively avoiding the political disputes people tried to trap him with. He’d much rather spend productive time trying to reach the lost than arguing over right-wing vs. left-wing.

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:15:20pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Rep Pelosi would be so disappointed in us.

One can only hope :whistles:

122 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:15:34pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

Jesus was the epitome of apolitical. I’ve mentioned this before, but he made a point of actively avoiding the political disputes people tried to trap him with. He’d much rather spend productive time trying to reach the lost than arguing over right-wing vs. left-wing.

Exactly, his message seems to have been about doing right by people. That’s not left or right. That’s about being a good person.

123 Zamb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:19:08pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

That’s not left or right. That’s about being a good person.

Though the right does seem to be trying to add “Be a dick” to their platform.

124 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:19:32pm

re: #123 Zamb

Though the right does seem to be trying to add “Be a dick” to their platform.

Heh true.

125 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:20:51pm

re: #123 Zamb

Though the right does seem to be trying to add “Be a dick” to their platform.

Let’s the scale of this proper:

The right has added “be a dick” to the Bible.

126 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:22:27pm

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s the scale of this proper:

The right has added “be a dick” to the Bible.

Yeah, Jesus wants you harassing the gay kid at school. These people have taken the side of bullies for fuck sake. Not to mention the rape apologists too.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:27:41pm

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s the scale of this proper:

The right has added “be a dick” to the Bible.

Jesus knows better than they do…
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128 simoom  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:27:45pm

While CBS is at it, they can also issue a public apology & retraction for Sharyl Attkisson, months back, making the rounds on Fox, Right-wing Radio, Politico and even a CBS News broadcast, clearly suggesting, though not quite stating outright, that her computer was hacked by the DOJ as some sort of retribution for her Benghazi and Fast & Furious “reporting”.

As of late September she still hadn’t completely let it go:

washingtonpost.com

When asked how she knew her machines had been compromised, Attkisson mentioned that they were turning on at night in suspicious ways. Also: “I had people warning me and coming to me as a result of the reporting I was doing on Benghazi. I had sources saying — theorizing, I should say — that you’re being surveilled and then I had excellent sources able to basically tip me off and we were able to confirm much of this with our own technicians. So, I’ve had a lot of help from people who are concerned about what they see going on in some corners of government and with what’s going on with reporters. So I’m thankful for that ‘cause I wouldn’t know, I really wouldn’t know, if I hadn’t had some help.”

Sounds like a bunch of crackpots and conspiracy theorists.

129 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:31:25pm

re: #128 simoom


Her husband was googling pressure cookers and backpacks at work if I remember correctly.

130 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:34:04pm
131 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:35:33pm

re: #109 darthstar

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I wonder how many (if any) people here are too young to get this joke.

132 simoom  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:36:37pm

re: #129 Amory Blaine

That’s was a different reporter, though similar in that she also was peddling in a conspiracy theory prior to actually doing the legwork to find actual evidence to support it.

133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:39:04pm

re: #130 Lidane

Weirder than that is the bit about how “virgin” used to mean something else, something wholesome and pure, before ESS-EE-ECKS came along and changed it to mean something that sounds like an unpleasant trip to the doctor’s office.

134 Kragar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:41:59pm

Abstinence only sex ed is like a Driver’s ed class which tells you to just to walk every where.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:44:22pm

re: #130 Lidane

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And here I thought how they were teaching kids history were the worst thing about the Texas education system.

136 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:45:53pm

re: #130 Lidane

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Pulling this quote for emphasis:

Indeed, there can be serious consequences to this type of abstinence-only approach to sexual health instruction. Earlier this year, Elizabeth Smart — a kidnapping and sexual assault victim who now works to prevent predatory crimes — made national headlines when she pointed out emphasizing the importance of purity can make rape victims feel dirty and worthless. Smart described hearing the exact same gum analogy when she was growing up. And after she was repeatedly sexually assaulted, that message had an extremely negative impact on her. “I thought, ‘Oh, my gosh, I’m that chewed up piece of gum, nobody re-chews a piece of gum, you throw it away.’ And that’s how easy it is to feel like you no longer have worth, you no longer have value,” she explained.

Purity culture is fucking disgusting.

At least in backward-ass parts of Pakistan, it’s understood that gizzard full of chicken blood is an acceptable substitute for being a virgin on your wedding night.

137 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:46:31pm

Oh, and did you know that global warming is caused by God being pissed about abortion? Yep. It’s true:

138 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:47:28pm

re: #131 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I wonder how many (if any) people here are too young to get this joke.

What’s all this I hear about Soviet jewelry?

139 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:49:49pm

re: #137 Lidane

Oh, and did you know that global warming is caused by God being pissed about abortion? Yep. It’s true:

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Love that this mental giant plays such a big role in shaping Texas’ educational standards. He should be in a kindergarten not dictating what kindergartners should learn and I apologize to five years old, all the ones I know are more smart than David Barton is and kinder too.

140 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:50:38pm

re: #137 Lidane

Oh, and did you know that global warming is caused by God being pissed about abortion? Yep. It’s true:

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At least they’re admitting that global warming exists. Perhaps they will make contraceptives easily available to help with the problem?

141 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:51:34pm

re: #140 calochortus

At least they’re admitting that global warming exists. Perhaps they will make contraceptives easily available to help with the problem?

Not happening. I used to think the contraceptives bad was just a flaw with the Catholics and the ultra fundies like the Duggar family but it’s apparently widespread. Don’t know how the hell that happened. Well actually I do know, Sandra Fluke.

142 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:54:43pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Not happening. I used to think the contraceptives bad was just a flaw with the Catholics and the ultra fundies like the Duggar family but it’s apparently widespread. Don’t know how the hell that happened. Well actually I do know, Sandra Fluke.

Yeah, I kind of thought not. Sandra Fluke is an example of the problem, not the cause. I’ve noticed the wingnuts spending a lot of time and electrons hating on single women the last couple days.
I might almost say they feel threatened by independent young women, but that couldn’t be could it? I mean they’re all about personal freedom. aren’t they? /

143 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:55:50pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Exactly, his message seems to have been about doing right by people. That’s not left or right. That’s about being a good person.

Not good enough. Today’s Christian always seem to need someone to be better than or to hate on. Jesus wasn’t human so therefore he couldn’t really get this base part of humanity down.

/// with a pinch of cynicism.

144 Aqua Obama  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 7:57:35pm

Youtube Video

145 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:01:39pm

re: #142 calochortus

Yeah, I kind of thought not. Sandra Fluke is an example of the problem, not the cause. I’ve noticed the wingnuts spending a lot of time and electrons hating on single women the last couple days.
I might almost say they feel threatened by independent young women, but that couldn’t be could it? I mean they’re all about personal freedom. aren’t they? /

Yeah I saw what Limbaugh said about single women. That they just want government to help them. Funny Rush, most of the single ladies I’ve known have been very hard working. And my aunt divorced actually but single technically still for the past 30 years, we call her Sarge in our family. A tough cookie that one. I do think there is jealously there. That imbecile Fischer was saying that Cuccinelli won with married women ergo liberals want women to be single so they’ll vote for them. Yeah it’s not that liberals don’t judge women based on their martial status and that conservatives like Fischer and his candidate of choice are judgmental sexist dicks.

146 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:04:21pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

If a single woman has choices, she’s far less likely to settle for marrying some idiot. So, if you’re that idiot, and want to find someone who will marry you, it stands to reason you don’t want women to have choices.

147 Kragar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:05:50pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Did you see this?

148 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:07:18pm

re: #147 Kragar

Did you see this?

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Yeah I did. Pretty hilarious coming from a guy who has fault with the Supreme Court decision that made contraception readily available to all couples married or not and also has opposed equal pay for equal work. Not ot mention a sexist dick who thinks saving people somehow is “effeminate.(his comments about the man who won the CMOH ftw)

149 Zamb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:07:26pm

re: #147 Kragar

Clearly the capitalization was necessary, gotta shout so more people will hear the truth.

150 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:08:50pm

The thing that amuses me though about the right’s hatred of single working women is these guys are always lecturing about independence and self reliability. What could be more independent than a young woman living on her own and working a job? And then there was Glenn Beck’s equally puzzling statement about how New Yorkers should have elected someone like Giuiliani “who will care for them.” I’ve been making an effort to throw the nanny state label back at the right since in my book their morality desires are more nanny state than anything the left does.

151 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:09:19pm

I wonder how many LIBERALS Bryan has actually met.

152 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:11:03pm

theonion.com
This is as inspiring as the openly gay racehorse.

153 Zamb  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:12:05pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

The thing they have against single women isn’t about any reality it is their vision of a single woman. Children from multiple dads, getting knocked up in order to get even more of that sweet welfare money. I think that is most likely what Fischer is trying to go with at least.

154 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:13:22pm

re: #153 Zamb

The thing they have against single women isn’t about any reality it is their vision of a single woman. Children from multiple dads, getting knocked up in order to get even more of that sweet welfare money. I think that is most likely what Fischer is trying to go with at least.

Yeah well Fischer’s a fucking delusional idiot who makes Robertson and Falwell look like scholarly intellectuals.

155 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:13:59pm

Third quarter almost over and Stanford is up 23-0.

They seem to have sat on that high-speed, high-scoring Oregon Duck offense. Wow. Did not see this coming. As a bit of a Buckeye fan I wanted to see Standford win, but I never thought they’d do this.

So far!?

156 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:14:01pm

re: #146 calochortus

If a single woman has choices, she’s far less likely to settle for marrying some idiot. So, if you’re that idiot, and want to find someone who will marry you, it stands to reason you don’t want women to have choices.

YES. EXACTLY.

If a woman is educated, financially independent, and has full control of her body and her reproduction, she’s far less likely to settle for the first idiot that comes along. She’ll look for a man that treats her as an equal, and a partner. She won’t need to depend on that man to take care of her. She has choices.

For the fundies and MRA assholes, this is a problem. Ergo, their need to push purity culture and deny women their choices.

157 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:18:12pm

From a remarkably dumb piece on single women’s politics over on RedState:

How can conservatives adjust their strategy to appeal more strongly to the single female society? Well, one obvious approach would be restricting the vote to people who are married. That’s probably not going to fly. It’s hard to imagine anything that would more strongly indicate society’s strong respect and need for stable marriage, though.

So the answer to making your strategy more appealing to a segment of society is to not let them vote? Never mind whether this is a serious suggestion or his attempt at being amusing, there is a complete and total disconnect between the stated desire and the way to get it.

158 Ming  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:18:27pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

I’d settle for churches not dumping money into politics in developing nations to promote laws that make homosexuality a capital offense.

I’d be happy if religious establishments limited their involvement in politics to one thing: paying taxes, like everybody else.

159 JasperL  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:19:51pm

re: #86 thedopefishlives

It’s driving a lot of people away from Christianity, and deservedly so. If churches are going to be preaching stupid ideas like Dominionism and Prosperity Gospel and Ooga Booga Stan Around Every Corner, they’re getting their just desserts. I have a lot of complaints against the modern Christian Church as a collective, and I’m a believer; how can I expect non-believers not to bring the same level of criticism or more?

I have always liked this quote attributed to Gandhi, when asked how to bring Christianity to India: “First, I would suggest that all of you Christians live more like Jesus Christ. Second, I would suggest that you practice your Christianity without adulterating it. The anomalous situation is that most of us would be equally shocked to see Christianity doubted or put into practice. Third, I would suggest that you put more emphasis on love, for love is the soul and center of Christianity.
 “

In my experience, the more ‘Christian’ a person claims to be, the more the emphasis is on intolerance and bigotry, and very little on love. I have a gay brother, so tend to notice this perhaps more than most….

160 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:20:16pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

Third quarter almost over and Stanford is up 23-0.

They seem to have sat on that high-speed, high-scoring Oregon Duck offense. Wow. Did not see this coming. As a bit of a Buckeye fan I wanted to see Standford win, but I never thought they’d do this.

So far!?

And Baylor spanked OU 41-12. Baylor in the Top 5?

Must be Global Warming. Or abortions. Whatever.

161 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:22:24pm

re: #157 calochortus

How can conservatives adjust their strategy to appeal more strongly to the single female society? Well, one obvious approach would be restricting the vote to people who are married. That’s probably not going to fly. It’s hard to imagine anything that would more strongly indicate society’s strong respect and need for stable marriage, though.

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162 Belafon  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:22:50pm

re: #160 austin_blue

Yeah, Baylor beats up OU, and it will get overshadowed by Stanford and Oregon.

163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:24:23pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

The hell are you talking about? You understand this ‘witness’ has changed his story substantially, right? Like he previously said he wasn’t actually there?

164 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:25:21pm

re: #157 calochortus

From a remarkably dumb piece on single women’s politics over on RedState:

So the answer to making your strategy more appealing to a segment of society is to not let them vote? Never mind whether this is a serious suggestion or his attempt at being amusing, there is a complete and total disconnect between the stated desire and the way to get it.

Yeah restrict the vote to only married people. Conservatives, if you’re even considering a solution to win more elections is to lessen suffrage, you’re doing it all wrong. Oh and you’ll piss off single guys too. We vote to and we sure as hell would not like our rights being taken away because you can’t accept the fact that your message is toxic to the ladies.

165 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:27:02pm

re: #161 Lidane

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Yeah. But this is what I’m used to out of the right. Coulter has actually joked about getting rid of women’s suffrage entirely. I’m sure some of the more nutty ones would love to say they’d love to restrict suffrage to people only born in America or even to only whites but they won’t say it. What they still refuse to get is people find the social reactionary messages they have toxic.

166 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:27:15pm

re: #162 Belafon

Yeah, Baylor beats up OU, and it will get overshadowed by Stanford and Oregon.

If Oregon goes scoreless Baylor will move past them in the polls no matter what. Their drop will be similar to Georgia when Clemson beat them.

167 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:27:30pm

Holy shit, this was a real tweet:

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168 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:38:46pm

re: #167 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

169 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:39:47pm

re: #167 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Holy shit, this was a real tweet:

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WTF? Quit shopping at Home Depot after they fired a couple of employees for detaining a couple a brazen shoplifters trying to take advantage of their policy of not interfering shoplifting incidents (it’s for their own protection, don’t ya know). But this? Reinforces even more why I won’t give them my busisness.

170 sagehen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:40:31pm

re: #153 Zamb

The thing they have against single women isn’t about any reality it is their vision of a single woman. Children from multiple dads, getting knocked up in order to get even more of that sweet welfare money. I think that is most likely what Fischer is trying to go with at least.

So people like Honey Boo Boo’s family?

Mama June’s 4 kids come from 4 different fathers; she married two of them. She’s been on and off welfare repeatedly. She has a criminal record, as does her current husband. The oldest daughter is a high school dropout with a child of her own, which makes Mama June a 35 -year-old grandmother.

I’m sure that’s who Bryan was talking about. He tells his audience it’s a sin to glorify that family by watching that show.

171 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:40:46pm

re: #168 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“We have zero tolerance for anything so stupid and offensive. Deeply sorry. We terminated agency and individual who posted it.”

Too late.

172 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:43:16pm

Night Lizards. Monday morning is in 6hrs 15 min.

May The Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

173 sagehen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:48:50pm

re: #172 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Monday morning is in 6hrs 15 min.

May The Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

You’re getting a monday that soon? I’m not.

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:18pm

re: #159 JasperL

In my experience, the more ‘Christian’ a person claims to be, the more the emphasis is on intolerance and bigotry, and very little on love. I have a gay brother, so tend to notice this perhaps more than most….

I know. Drives me fucking bonkers.

I came to my faith fairly late in life and even then I don’t worry much about anything after this life - it’s supposed to be about how we treat each other damn it. The Golden rule is “do onto others as you want them to do to you” not “do what ever it takes to get into heaven but not any fucking thing else”.

All I want is to teach my son how to live as a good person and to leave this world a little better than it was before I got here. I hope that’s christian enough for the One even as I know it’s not enough for them.

175 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:29pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

What the hell are you on about now? The “witness” says he lied to his employer, and the senior govt officials have just confirmed that the gave the same story to the FBI. Meaning, according to his new version of events he lied to the FBI as well as his employer. Or he’s lying now. In other words, he’s self discrediting.

I don’t know what kind of fuckwit pollyanna universe you live in but where I come from when you tell a story to multiple parties, including the FBI during an official investigation interview, then later claim that the entire story is a lie, the government is under no obligation not to identify itself as one of the parties that was purportedly lied to.

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:50:59pm

re: #172 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Monday morning is in 6hrs 15 min.

May The Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

I presume your work week is a wee bit different than the usual?

177 calochortus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:54:16pm

Time to turn my brain off for the evening and maybe catch “America’s Test Kitchen” before bed…
Hasta Mañana.

178 bratwurst  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:54:27pm
179 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:55:13pm

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180 jaunte  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:56:46pm

re: #179 dog philosopher

Sounds like George and Yortuk Festrunk, two wild and crazy guys.

181 dog philosopher  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:57:02pm

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182 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 8:57:48pm

re: #137 Lidane

Oh, and did you know that global warming is caused by God being pissed about abortion? Yep. It’s true:

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Genesis:

“This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh”

183 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:00:35pm

Well, Oregon is doing its best to make things interesting. It’s 26-13 Stanford, and Oregon just recovered an on-side kick.

184 blueraven  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:00:56pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

What the hell are you on about now?…

I have asked, Obdi has asked, and you make three. He wont answer. He is playing the same tired old game
“we all know whats going on here”
*wink wink*

185 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:06:04pm

Huh. 26-20, Stanford. Stanford’s ball, two minutes left.

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:06:35pm

re: #184 blueraven

I have asked, Obdi has asked, and you make three. He wont answer. He is playing the same tired old game
“we all know whats going on here”
*wink wink*

KT’s just trolling as always. He gets away with it because he used to do some good here. It’s been a few years but, hey, he get’s more slack than Bob none-the-less.

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:07:43pm

re: #185 austin_blue

Huh. 26-20, Stanford. Stanford’s ball, two minutes left.

Pity. I was hoping it would end 26-0. Still, I’ll take 33-20 if necessary.

188 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:08:43pm

re: #186 William Barnett-Lewis

No one gets more Slack than Bob. That’s not possible.

189 Kragar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:14:00pm

re: #178 bratwurst

TV’s Frank is awesome.

190 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:14:37pm

re: #184 blueraven

Because I usually don’t bother responding to people fishing for outrageous outrage. #38 expressed the same sentiment, now with seven updings….

What is really bad about this kind of dud story is those that want to believe it already have it in their brains as gospel. And a change at a late date either goes unnoticed or will be seen as pressure from the Presidents and his ‘gang’ to change it as a coverup.

This is exactly what the idiots at media matters still think happened to dan rather, that partisan activists and White House pressured 60 minutes to change the story. This is the most likely route the wingnuts are going to take on this. It’s an easy pattern to recognize. But go ahead and be outraged, I can’t stop you.

191 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:14:40pm

re: #188 Lidane

No one gets more Slack than Bob. That’s not possible.

This is KT we’re talking about. Anyone else would still be bouncing.

192 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:19:07pm

Who’s Bob? And why is he such a slacker? I ask because Beetle Bailey is a hero of mine.

193 Ed E. Lishus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:19:50pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

I’m kind of new around here and all but I have to ask, where’s the outrage?

194 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:24:10pm

washingtonpost.com
Interesting development in the Herring-Obenshain AG race here in VA. This could be enough to make Herring the winner.

195 blueraven  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:25:23pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Because I usually don’t bother responding to people fishing for outrageous outrage. #38 expressed the same sentiment, now with seven updings….

This is exactly what the idiots at media matters still think happened to dan rather, that partisan activists and White House pressured 60 minutes to change the story. This is the most likely route the wingnuts are going to take on this. It’s an easy pattern to recognize. But go ahead and be outraged, I can’t stop you.

I do not see the same sentiment in post 38 at all. But carry on.

196 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:32:28pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

washingtonpost.com
Interesting development in the Herring-Obenshain AG race here in VA. This could be enough to make Herring the winner.

Yeah, looking like a replay of McDonnell.

197 simoom  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:33:53pm

Looks like the book deal is being reviewed as well:

nytimes.com

Jennifer Robinson, a spokeswoman for the book’s publisher, Threshold Editions, which is part of the Simon and Schuster unit of CBS, said, “Although we have not seen the F.B.I. report, in light of these revelations we will review the book and take appropriate action with regard to its publication status.”

Which I actually find kind of surprising given the imprint:

en.wikipedia.org

Threshold Editions is an imprint of Simon & Schuster — the publishing division of CBS Corporation — specializing in conservative non-fiction. … The imprint’s authors include Glenn Beck, Christopher Buckley, Reid Buckley, Lynne Cheney, Mary Cheney, Jerome Corsi, Catherine Crier, S.E. Cupp, Jerry Doyle, Burton W. Folsom, Jr., Sean Hannity, Brian Jennings, David Kupelian, Arthur B. Laffer, Mark R. Levin and his father Jack Levin, George Melloan, Stephen Moore, Karl Rove, Herman Cain, and Dick Cheney.

198 austin_blue  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:34:27pm

re: #187 William Barnett-Lewis

Pity. I was hoping it would end 26-0. Still, I’ll take 33-20 if necessary.

Stanford ran out the clock. Final, 26-20 Stanford. Oregon gets to be a bridesmaid once again.

199 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:36:14pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

Yeah, looking like a replay of McDonnell.

As Yogi said, deja-vu all over again and this could have profound impact for Virginia politics in the years to come. The winner gets a small head start towards their next desired office. I imagine Obenshain win or lose is the GOP frontrunnner for governor in ‘17 or against Kaine in ‘18. I am thinking they let one of their crazies be fish food for Senator Warner. In fact, I hope that someone is Cucci so we can write his obituary once and for all.

200 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:37:53pm

re: #195 blueraven

I do not see the same sentiment in post 38 at all. But carry on.

Yeah, that doesn’t seem like a reasonable interpretation of #38.

201 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:39:54pm

re: #200 GeneJockey

Yeah, that doesn’t seem like a reasonable interpretation of #38.

I read that as a condemnation of sloppy journalism leading to the feeding of conspiracies which I think is a fair read on this story. And we have seen that with this and numerous other stories.

202 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:40:43pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

As Yogi said, deja-vu all over again and this could have profound impact for Virginia politics in the years to come. The winner gets a small head start towards their next desired office. I imagine Obenshain win or lose is the GOP frontrunnner for governor in ‘17 or against Kaine in ‘18. I am thinking they let one of their crazies be fish food for Senator Warner. In fact, I hope that someone is Cucci so we can write his obituary once and for all.

Agreed, I can’t imagine either man will drop out of state politics after this. Obenshain is, after all, a “rising star” while Cucci’s failings will be white washed as “strengths” and his failure to beat an equally unlikable challenger as the fault of anyone or anything but his beliefs.

203 GeneJockey  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:41:19pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

I read that as a condemnation of sloppy journalism leading to the feeding of conspiracies which I think is a fair read on this story. And we have seen that with this and numerous other stories.

Exactly.

204 Lidane  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:43:40pm

re: #192 Amory Blaine

Who’s Bob? And why is he such a slacker? I ask because Beetle Bailey is a hero of mine.

en.wikipedia.org

205 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:49:44pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Agreed, I can’t imagine either man will drop out of state politics after this. Obenshain is, after all, a “rising star” while Cucci’s failings will be white washed as “strengths” and his failure to beat an equally unlikable challenger as the fault of anyone or anything but his beliefs.

Yeah like Deeds and McDonnell, both these guys were sitting office holders at the time of their race for AG. I’m thinking they’ll want Obenshain for the governor’s race and look for another “rising star” to run against Kaine. I don’t know how popular Kaine is or more obviously how popular he will be in 2018. As we saw with New Jersey, incumbent popularity always plays a role in who runs and who does not. I am just glad that George Allen and Cucci are both done here. McDonnell likely is too with the corruption stench.

206 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:49:57pm

More I watch “futuristic” shows featuring starships, the more I wonder if engineers in the future just decided that seat belts were too much of a hassle. “What’re the odds that gravity will suddenly and hazardously shift, injuring or killing the crew?”

207 piratedan  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:56:50pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

i think it’s the assumption that if your traveling at interstellar speeds, you better have inertia dampeners because all a seat belt would do is cut you in half…..

208 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 9:58:42pm

re: #207 piratedan

i think it’s the assumption that if your traveling at interstellar speeds, you better have inertia dampeners because all a seat belt would do is cut you in half…..

It just makes no logical sense to assume that the system can’t be overloaded or taken offline by some unforeseen event. Hell, just regular combat in some series and movies turns a starship’s bridge into a pinball machine. And we’ll not even go into the pathological fear of surge protection that turns control panels into bombs.

209 klys  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:02:51pm

Newark, let’s have a discussion.

I get that you need to repave roads occasionally. And I know there are some roads that are going to be terribly inconvenient to deal with. But.

There are some roads where you really do need to either leave one lane open or not start work until after midnight at the earliest. I might suggest that the exit from Newark Airport to ALL THE HIGHWAYS is one of those roads. Because otherwise you have ALL THE TRAFFIC funneling down to one extremely poorly signed lane (signs at street level are not visible through hundreds of cars) at 10pm, when there are still plenty of flights coming into Newark, especially after a wonderful afternoon of delays.

On the other hand, at least I’ve reaffirmed where I get the family temper from.

210 gwangung  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:15:51pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

It just makes no logical sense to assume that the system can’t be overloaded or taken offline by some unforeseen event. Hell, just regular combat in some series and movies turns a starship’s bridge into a pinball machine. And we’ll not even go into the pathological fear of surge protection that turns control panels into bombs.

Well, in that case, seat belts do no good, because if the system IS overloaded, you won’t be thrown out of your chair, you’ll be smeared into a thin organic paste.

211 Kragar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:27:34pm
212 piratedan  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:31:05pm

re: #211 Kragar

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it would be morbidly fascinating to know what Bryan thinks that this President has done that is an impeachable offense.

213 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:40:58pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

More I watch “futuristic” shows featuring starships, the more I wonder if engineers in the future just decided that seat belts were too much of a hassle. “What’re the odds that gravity will suddenly and hazardously shift, injuring or killing the crew?”

Not sure what shows you’ve been watching.

Youtube Video

214 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:50:14pm

Must. Fucking. Read.
grantland.com

Snippet:

Warriors make war on warriors. There’s no room for crying in this game. You have a problem, you handle it on the field. Handle it as a man. Go down swinging. I hear you, NFL, and that’s why I’m not here to move you or persuade you. If you have a penis and feelings, you’d better cut one of them off. I’m here to start a fight.

Because this — this idea that Jonathan Martin is a weakling for seeking emotional help — this is some room-temperature faux-macho alpha-pansy nonsense, and I am here to beat it bloody and leave it on the ground. Every writer who’s spreading this around, directly or by implication; every player who’s reaction-bragging about his own phenomenal hardness; every pundit in a square suit who’s braying about the unwritten code of the locker room — every one of these guys should be ashamed of himself, and that’s it, and it’s not a complicated story.

215 darthstar  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 10:53:22pm

Woman about to get double-mastectomy dances with her surgeon in OR before procedure…your feel good story of the day.

You’re welcome.

abclocal.go.com

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 11:08:36pm

re: #170 sagehen

Mama June’s 4 kids come from 4 different fathers; she married two of them. She’s been on and off welfare repeatedly. She has a criminal record, as does her current husband. The oldest daughter is a high school dropout with a child of her own, which makes Mama June a 35 -year-old grandmother.

And, according to Bryan, teaching them about birth control and anything but abstinence will only make it worse

217 sagehen  Thu, Nov 7, 2013 11:52:30pm

I’ve been really enjoying The Returned; on the Sundance Channel.

It’s a French creepy/horror mystery, with subtitles. I hate subtitles, but this is good enough to be worth it. Two episodes in and it would be hard to pick up in the middle, but they’re rerunning it on Dec 1.

In an idyllic French mountain town, a seemingly random collection of people find themselves in a state of confusion as they attempt to return to their homes. What they do not yet know is that they have been dead for several years, and no one is expecting them back.

218 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:01:35am

re: #215 darthstar

Woman about to get double-mastectomy dances with her surgeon in OR before procedure…your feel good story of the day.

You’re welcome.

abclocal.go.com

That is beautiful :-)

219 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:55:08am

Talgo seeks $65.9 million from state for abandoned high-speed rail line

The U.S. arm of a Spanish train-maker filed a $65.9 million claim against the state Thursday, setting up a likely lawsuit and reviving debate over Gov. Scott Walker’s rejection of $810 million in federal stimulus money for a high-speed rail line.

In its filing with the state Claims Board, Seattle-based Talgo Inc. also maintained Wisconsin owes bond holders an additional $70 million because it borrowed that much for two train sets but never took possession of them.

If the train company’s reasoning is correct, taxpayers would have to pay Talgo $65.9 million and immediately refund $70 million to bond holders rather than paying that sum off over the coming years. Even then, the state still wouldn’t own the trains.

The request for more money comes on top of about $40 million the state has already paid Talgo.

Scott Walker is a cancer in this state fed by the corrupt, hateful and ignorant.

220 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 1:28:06am

Senator threatens ‘all out hell’ if GOP lawmakers take up abortion bills

A Democratic state senator promised “all out hell” next week if Republicans stick to their plan to take up a controversial bill restricting abortion for public workers and limiting access to contraception for employees of religious organizations.

Sen. Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton) said Tuesday’s session could mirror one in June, when Senate President Mike Ellis (R-Neenah) broke the base of his gavel as he slammed it down to quiet Democrats upset over passing a different abortion bill.

Republicans who run the Senate are tentatively planning to approve two abortion bills on Tuesday.

One would ban any abortions that are sought because of the sex of the fetus. The other would prevent public employees’ health plans from covering most abortions and would also strictly limit the ability of employees of religious organizations to get contraception through their insurance plans.

The Assembly passed both measures in June, and Senate action would send them on to Republican Gov. Scott Walker.

221 freetoken  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 1:35:16am

MP3 Audio

222 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 1:43:08am

Something more upbeat please for my drooping eyelids this late evening?

223 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:17:44am

re: #222 Amory Blaine

Youtube Video

224 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:23:31am

It looks like Lawrence Kasdan will be writing the screenplay for “Star Wars: Episode VII” along with J.J. Abrams.

Which is something of a relief; Kasdan’s screenplay for Episode V (The Empire Strikes Back) is widely regarded as the best of the Star Wars franchise. I’m glad they didn’t leave it all to J.J. Abrams.

dailymail.co.uk

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:28:57am

I lost interest after ESB, maybe I will have to look into this one

226 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:35:41am

re: #225 Sol Berdinowitz

I lost interest after ESB, maybe I will have to look into this one

I’m sort of skeptical of J.J. Abrams as director; I’ve seen the “Star Trek” reboot and “STID”, and they were passable action flicks, but of all the Star Trek franchise, “Wrath of Khan” is still the best.

227 Bubblehead II  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:41:29am

re: #173 sagehen

re: #176 William Barnett-Lewis

I presume your work week is a wee bit different than the usual?

Morning Lizards

Friday thru Tuesday. 0700-1500 with about an 1 1/2 hour commute both ways. That’s why you mainly see me here all day in the middle of the week.

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:50:01am

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards

Friday thru Tuesday. 0700-1500 with about an 1 1/2 commute both ways. That’s why you mainly see me here all day in the middle of the week.

heh,,,,, like me

MY “Monday” starts Wednesday nights at 22:00.

4 x 12 (+) hour overnights later (at 10:00 Sunday morning) it’s finally “Friday”

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:51:12am

not compatible with “normal” family life, but if it works for you…

230 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:55:34am

re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

not compatible with “normal” family life, but if it works for you…

heh

Going back to when my son (now 19) was young, I can’t tell you how many holiday meals/ school events/ soccer games I missed!

We’re 24/7/365 here. I’ve missed Christmas mornings, Thanksgiving dinners, and (partial) summer vacations.

231 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 3:57:15am

I see one of my posts (#38) was a topic of discussion late last evening. I’m honored, I think.

Good Friday. Got a road trip today…hope it warms up a bit before I go. I still have my summer performance tires on, and they do not like real cold mornings.

Keep up the good debate Lizards.

By the way, did someone sit on Joke Scarborough. He seems to be lucid this morning. Maybe ratings are way down…

232 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 4:11:52am

Modern life has evolved into a battle for individual primacy, and nowhere else do you find it practiced as fiercely as in libertarianism. A theory which is just pie in the sky idealism about individualism and capitalism (based on a male model), also practiced as simple selfishness and greed which throws empathy and social adjustment into the waste bin, if not directly, then under the guise of charity and foundations which privately mold public policy and can influence elections. It comes today in the form of technology, not industrialization, but the sweatshops and robber barons have merely been brought into the 21st century in a different form. And nowhere does libertarian ideology and technology mesh more perfectly than on the internet, a kind of do-it-yourself entertainment central.

There is a blind faith in technology, just as there was in industrialization, which will continue to allow this type of thinking to influence people and dominate their lives, but the human cost may be just as great, or greater. Technology won’t change the human condition or our behavior, it will just speed everything up. When you look at what the influences are on the internet, for instance, such as social media, and examine them closely, it can be depressing and negative as people exploit their own need for recognition and parlay it into just more crap to wade through in an increasingly junkified world while they avoid real life consequences out there in the ether. And when anger becomes the dominant emotion in any venue, we’re in serious trouble—and it can be contagious.

But do we really want kings in just another name? In just another form? Where women are simply tolerated even as they play the game? Libertarians can quote and “respect” a woman who took up and promoted this kind of thinking because because she was in thrall to an ideology of male supremacy which she allowed to dominate her own thinking. I mean, in real life would John Galt have gone the way of SS and Medicare and living off the charity of others as Rand did?

Even Ayn Rand couldn’t practice in reality what she preached in fiction because it’s an impossibility. In any event, she would have wound up second class in a world of her own invention because it’s not the cheerleaders who achieve top dog status, it’s the players. And winning is always the goal, no matter how dirty you play the game.

What has really changed in the course of humanity? Basically, we humans have not—we just think we have. The settings, the venues, the superficialities of life, are what change, not the needs, the wants, the desires. How we express those is what’s important.

233 Bubblehead II  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 4:15:31am

Well time to shut down and prepare for the morning commute. See ya tonight Lizards.

234 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 4:36:21am

Happy Friday!
Crazy People on Teh Twitters:

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 4:38:31am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

Greed and individual ambition have to been seen as forces of nature that can be harnessed, but must be contained.

Flowing water can drive a turbine or irrigate a field if channelized, but it can wipe out entire cities if left unchecked.

And Free market ideologues and libertarians are all about tearing down the laws and regualtions that keep their ambition and greed in check.

We have seen the results.

Imagine we decide that traffic lights are an impediment to freedom of travel. What do we get? At first a system that rewards those with the biggest cars and the most aggressive driving style, but eventually we get gridlock, one that emergency services can no longer get through.

And we have to get a traffic cop out on every intersection to untangle the mess.

Bush took down the traffic lights, we hit financial gridlock and Obama had to play the traffic cop.

But face it, nobody likes red lights or traffic cops.

236 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:08:07am

If the majority of people figure out the game is rigged watch out.

237 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:11:27am
238 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:14:31am

WTFITS

239 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:15:47am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

From link

* UPDATE : This post has turned out to be popular beyond our wildest dreams so we felt the need for a bit of clarification . Due to a shortage in our editorial staff we were unable to corroborate the central claim to this story . Admittedly we only had an hour or so to try and find a link to the voter registration rolls and we failed to do so . It would have been very helpful had the original source provided a link to “Mike’s” disclosure and we would be grateful to any reader that can provide back-up to the assertion that Ciancia is in fact a registered democrat .

240 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:17:35am

re: #239 Amory Blaine

From link

Making shit up as usual.

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:18:36am

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

Making shit up as usual.

not making it up as such, but spreading it without verification…without fear of consequences if it turns out to be wrong.

242 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:18:42am

re: #239 Amory Blaine

From link

I’m surprised they even bothered to post a disclaimer.

243 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:19:48am

The whole web site is full of shit. here’s another at a cursory glance:

The inmates did the country a favor . One less s***bag for the taxpayers to feed . Justice is sometimes served and even some of the most hardened criminals have limitations to what they find acceptable .
Note: After the fact , we found that this story dates from 2011 but we’ve decided to post it anyway as it is a story of hope even as it is of brutality .

Implying they believed it was a new or recent story. Great standards over there.

244 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:22:02am

CBS now apologizing for Benghazi story:

Youtube Video

245 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:24:34am
246 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:26:53am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

You see, there was a hard-hitting invetigative jourinalism show in Russia called “600 Seconds”, in which you could see the clock ticking away in the background.

No wonder Snowden wants to live there, in the Land of Free and Honest journalism.

247 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:29:05am
248 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:29:33am
249 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:31:00am

I can see this also happening in the US. My 3 yr old g-son has not been taken off milk, as his pediatrician suggests, and also takes a multi-vitamin every single day, in addition to getting sun when weather permits. My own sons also drank milk w/meals and usually spent the entire day outside when they weren’t at school (where they also had recess).

Rickets making a comeback in the UK, doctors say

bigstory.ap.org

I may have had rickets as a child (my legs are bowed), but I know for certain that my sister suffered from malnutrition after a year in that Baptist orphanage—she could barely walk when we left. She wouldn’t eat most of what little starchy food was offered and refused to take the weekly cod liver oil we were forced to take as a laxative.

250 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:33:41am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

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Unfuckingbelievable. 20-25 idiots?

251 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:33:41am

re: #248 Gus

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Nothing to see here

Change the channel Move along

252 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:35:57am

re: #248 Gus

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Was the host Assud the Palestinian rabbit???

dailymail.co.uk

253 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:36:20am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

Unfuckingbelievable. 20-25 idiots?

254 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:39:07am

Um…this is…uh…the cognitive dissonance… *head begins throbbing*

Nazis Who Love Cats

Cats are definitely the animal kingdom’s most photogenic species. There is something about kitties on film that melts our cold cynical hearts into pools of warm milk. Which is why I was surprised to find them frolicking with Nazis in this positively adorable war-time photo series. This Tumblr may just be the internet’s starkest juxtaposition of cute and sinister ever.

See for yourself: […]

jewcy.com

255 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:41:23am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

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It’s pretty easy to believe people give up their log-on info; I’ve seen it done plenty of times, esp if a “systems admin” says it’s necessary to enable him to do his job (it isn’t, but plenty of users don’t know this).

Did GG gave Snowden his, too? : )

256 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:41:24am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

OK, now we have unnamed senior government officials giving information to the press to discredit a witness. I think we can all see where this is going. What’s old is new again, like being stuck in a loop.

When it comes to human behavior they’re nothing new under the sun. Its all variations of things seen before.

257 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:42:25am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

Um…this is…uh…the cognitive dissonance… *head begins throbbing*

When I first saw the “Grumpy Cat” meme, I thought it looked a lot like the old time actor Peter Lorre.

Peter Lorre was a cat lover!

258 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:46:20am

Right-wing Logic: Make Shit Up.
Fucking analogies, how do they work?

259 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:47:49am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

Um…this is…uh…the cognitive dissonance… *head begins throbbing*

Most of those men are Army or Luftwaffe personnel, with at least one Kriegsmarine sub crew (cats are traditional companions on warships, because they eat mice and rats). Not necessarily Nazis themselves.

Many military units throughout history have kept mascots or pets. It helps men deal with the stresses of combat and being a soldier. We’ve seen many cases of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan adopting animals.

260 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:48:54am

Nazis liked cats therefore people who like cats are Nazis.

Please RT!

//

261 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:51:13am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

When I first saw the “Grumpy Cat” meme, I thought it looked a lot like the old time actor Peter Lorre.

Peter Lorre was a cat lover!

He was under tight control: Siamese cats are quite loud and are often fairly demanding. It’s a good looking but imperious cat.

262 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:56:20am

Benghazi is like cocaine man. Stay away.

263 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:56:35am

#BREAKING: Family of Fayetteville native/Navy Yard shooting victim filing $37.5 mill lawsuit against Federal Gov’t for negligence

Attorney for Mary D. Knight’s fam says “there was a colossal (security)failure on behalf of Dept of Navy,Fed gov’t and private security company.” Says VA knew of shooter’s mental issues, criminal record, did nothing.

twitter.com

264 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 5:57:33am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

Right-wing Logic: Make Shit Up.
Fucking analogies, how do they work?

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265 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:01:15am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Not just logic flaws, but spelling and punctuation flaws abound in that screed.

/0% of homicides are committe with guns

Ban committes!!!

266 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:02:47am

Mah Twitter feed is boring this morning.

267 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:05:14am


Aleppo-FSA fighter blows himself up accidentally

Darwin Akbar!

268 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:06:12am
269 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:09:17am

re: #266 Gus

It’s Friday. Go get yourself a cup of coffee (spiked if you prefer), sit back, watch the sun rise over Yellowstone (or Yosemite, or whatever favorite webcam site you prefer), and chill… It’s always a good way to start the day.

Besides, looks to be a slow news day other than the Typhoon striking the Philippines, a possible deal in the works with Iran in 5-party talks in Geneva, and Palestinians are again blaming Israel for Arafat’s death (not really news, but an ongoing state of existence kind of thing).

270 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:10:25am

Starbucks looking to hire 10,000 veterans and military spouses (VIDEO)

Now, though, gun owners might have a reason to once again support Starbucks. That is, Schultz announced plans to hire 10,000 veterans and active duty spouses over the next five years.

“The value we are creating for shareholders is tied to the values that guide us as an organization. As I look at the opportunity ahead of us, we’re going to need to hire men and women with like-minded values and the right job skills in order to continue our current levels of growth,” said Schultz.

“The more than one million transitioning U.S. veterans and almost one and half million military spouses - with their diverse background and experience - share our mission-driven sensibility and work ethic and can build long-term careers at Starbucks as they return home,” he continued.

SNIP

In addition to hiring veterans and their spouses, the java giant is opening up five community stores in U.S. joint base locations to help fund local nonprofit programs that support veterans re-entering the workforce. In other words, it’s more than just jobs at Starbucks Schultz is offering to servicemen and servicewomen, it’s financial support to find careers elsewhere.

Plus, this Veteran’s Day, Monday, Nov. 11, Starbucks is giving away free tall brewed coffee to veterans, active duty military and military spouses.

Youtube Video

271 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:13:33am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

When it comes to human behavior they’re nothing new under the sun. Its all variations of things seen before.

Why do you believe this?

272 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:15:16am

Globular clusters everywhere man.

273 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:17:53am

re: #272 Gus

Have a drupe.

274 Gus  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:21:18am

re: #273 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Have a drupe.

I can haz drupe?

275 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:21:58am
276 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:24:15am
277 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:25:53am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

Starbucks looking to hire 10,000 veterans and military spouses (VIDEO)

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Schultz is just doing some jingoistic pandering.

278 darthstar  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:28:33am
279 Joanne  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 6:55:58am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

This assumes that wingers actually care about the military. They don’t as proven by booing a guy who was active military - but gay, the pols prove it by fucking over military with every piece of legislation they draft (or vote down), The military are pawns only and Starbucks looking to hire them will not sway the wingnuts.

And this is the saddest goddamned thing. These people fight in our name, they do as they are told, and then come home and get screwed. This alone is enough to make me despise Republicans. To them, these American men and women - The Troops - are memes alone. It’s disgusting.

280 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 7:27:12am

re: #279 Joanne

This assumes that wingers actually care about the military. They don’t as proven by booing a guy who was active military - but gay, the pols prove it by fucking over military with every piece of legislation they draft (or vote down), The military are pawns only and Starbucks looking to hire them will not sway the wingnuts.

And this is the saddest goddamned thing. These people fight in our name, they do as they are told, and then come home and get screwed. This alone is enough to make me despise Republicans. To them, these American men and women - The Troops - are memes alone. It’s disgusting.

Who said anything about wingnuts? Most gun owners aren’t wingnuts, neither are most soldiers and veterans, and the CEO of Starbucks is most assuredly not a wingnut.

281 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 8, 2013 12:28:36pm

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