Second New Mexico Suit Filed Over Body Cavity Searches, with Update

Abuse of power is rampant in the border area.
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A second lawsuit was filed Friday against southern New Mexico authorities accused of illegally subjecting drug suspects to invasive body cavity searches. And the attorney who filed the cases says she has been getting calls from others saying they were detained after the uncertified drug-sniffing dog at the heart of both cases raised suspicions.

Albuquerque civil rights attorney Shannon Kennedy filed the new lawsuit against the Hidalgo County Sheriff’s Office on behalf of Timothy Young, who says he was strip-searched in a gas station parking lot, then taken to the hospital for a cavity search. The lawsuit claims the searches were unreasonable, and that the body cavity search was in violation of the search warrant issued. Kennedy says the warrant was issued to search his body but not body cavities.

The sheriff of the border county could not immediately be reached for comment.

Kennedy has also filed suit against the sheriff’s office and police in Deming on behalf of a southern New Mexico man who was taken to two hospitals and forced to have anal probes, three enemas, two body X-rays and a colonoscopy following a traffic stop.

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The lawsuits have raised questions about drug searches along the border. In addition to the two cases filed by Kennedy, the American Civil Liberties Union says it is preparing to sue U.S. Customs and Border Protection on behalf of a woman who was crossing into El Paso in December and subjected to invasive searches after a drug dog alerted agents.

Attorney Laura Schauer Ives says the woman was strip-searched, vaginally probed then taken to the hospital for more invasive tests, a forced bowel movement, X-rays and scans. No drugs were found, the ACLU said. Schauer Ives said the woman’s medical records refer to her being brought in both by Border Patrol and customs agents. The group has had a Freedom of Information Request pending since April to identify the officers and which departments of CBP were involved.

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Read the rest here: Second New Mexico Suit Filed Over Body Cavity Searches (Update) - Las Cruces Sun-News

Every immigration reform proposal offered by anyone includes measures for increased border security. Mexicans are not the only victims of ‘border security’, although they are more frequently fatal victims, and more frequently abused than US citizens.

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1 Political Atheist  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 9:49:18am

That’s torture. Not a search. Call it search torture. O M G

2 elizajane  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:34:02am

Competition in the world of disgusting political tactics: White anti-gay conservative activist wins election in heavily African-American district to Houston Community College board by leading voters to think he’s a black:

khou.com

It’s worth clicking through to the link, if you have a strong stomach, to see the outpouring of congratulations to him for proving that blacks really are the racists.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:38:02am
4 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:44:19am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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5 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:46:35am
And the attorney who filed the cases says she has been getting calls from others saying they were detained after the uncertified drug-sniffing dog at the heart of both cases raised suspicions.

Makes one wonder just how many people have been affected by these law enforcement officers and their dog.

Here’s more about the woman who was searched by border patrol agents.

[…]

Schaur Ives said the woman doesn’t wish to be identified because she considers herself to be a victim of sexual assault. Schaur Ives said the woman crossed the border at a Port of Entry from Juarez, Mexico into El Paso.

A dog alerted to the woman, and Schaur Ives said federal agents stripped searched her at the facility, asked her to undress, to spread her genitalia and to cough. Female agents also allegedly pressed their fingers into her vagina looking for drugs.

The woman claims they didn’t discover anything during the on-site strip search, so they took her to University Medical Center of El Paso.

“First, medical staff observed her making a bowl [sic] movement and no drugs were found at that point,” Schaur Ives said. “They then took an X-ray, but it did not reveal any contraband. They then did a cavity search and they probed her vagina and her anus, they described in the medical records as bi-manual—two handed. Finally, they did a cat scan. Again, they found nothing.”

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I know this kind of thing is not unique to the border area, but it seems to be getting worse with the increase of money and personnel being sent to the area.

(Thanks for the promo.)

6 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:46:57am

It’s past time to wind up the war on drugs. Legalize marijuana and treat other drug use as a medical and behavioral rather than a legal problem. The war on drugs has done nothing but empower abusive authorities and hinterland bullies. The prison industry, the militarization of police, and the destruction of the Constitution are all by-products of this scam. Enough already.

7 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:49:23am

Hidalgo County Sheriff Saturnino Madero seems to be well-liked by “constitutionalists”. He’s been sheriff for 11 yrs, but I can’t find much on him in a cursory search.

facebook.com

What awful treatment—an assault actually, not a “search”.

8 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:49:31am

This is in reference to the first case:

Daniel Dougherty, a former deputy district attorney in that part of the state, allegedly consulted with the Deming police officers about the warrant. In a response filed in federal court by his attorney, Dougherty denies approving the warrant, which was approved by a magistrate judge.

9 Ming  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:51:00am

re: #1 Political Atheist

That’s torture. Not a search. Call it search torture. O M G

In my view, these outrageous acts of search-torture are an inevitable product of the insane War on Drugs. What does a law enforcement officer do, when a crime has no victim? Well, often, they make incredible efforts to locate the evidence. (If the crime had a victim, the victim would be very happy to direct the police to whatever “evidence” there may be.)

This is something a four-year-old can understand, but the War on Drugs is so incredibly stupid, it’s worth emphasizing the above point. The police don’t get many phone calls that say, “I just bought some weed, and I enjoyed it quietly with some friends, and now I’m having a great dinner at Taco Bell.” There is no victim!

So I guess I’m not real surprised, reading about these searches. But I remain surprised that the War on Drugs goes on, in the year 2013. As exceptional as America is, this is not an area for us to be proud of. A few other countries are way ahead of us.

10 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:51:08am

Police force man to endure three enemas, a colonoscopy, several cavity searches in fruitless search
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com


I’ve had several colonoscopies and my experience is that after one you are empty. Why repeat the procedure? What the hell could someone be hiding?

This is torture and is going to cost the county/state 10 tens more money than the amount of drugs someone could hid in their digestive system.

11 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:53:36am

re: #8 wrenchwench

This is in reference to the first case:

Sounds as though they got his opinion, then ignored it and went straight to the magistrate (most of whom aren’t lawyers, if it’s anything like NC).

12 The War TARDIS  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:53:44am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

I want Greenwald tried for espionage and aiding a foreign power.

13 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

Hidalgo County Sheriff Saturnino Madero seems to be well-liked by “constitutionalists”. He’s been sheriff for 11 yrs, but I can’t find much on him in a cursory search.

facebook.com

What awful treatment—an assault actually, not a “search”.

Wow, him and every other sheriff in NM! I think that makes them Oathkeepers.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:55:58am

Either party can claim the failure of the Drug War as a BIG issue next year and in 2016. Don’t let the right wing own it.

15 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:55:58am

re: #13 wrenchwench

Wow, him and every other sheriff in NM! I think that makes them Oathkeepers.

See the Oathkeepers website here:

The list of County Sheriffs who are standing up for the Second Amendment now totals two hundred twenty-five brave defenders of the U.S. Constitution. Oath Keepers salutes Sheriff Mack for spearheading this drive.

16 The War TARDIS  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:56:27am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Also, I wouldn’t take sentiment on Human Rights in Germany seriously. They are all in a tizzy about the NSA, but still have millions of Turks without citizen, and no path to it.

And they will take every opportunity to defend Russia from people having legitimate criticisms of how the Russia state is operating.

Germany does real good at hypocrisy. Really good.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:56:35am

re: #12 ProTARDISLiberal

I want Greenwald tried for espionage and aiding a foreign power.

Ditto. but only if we could tie him to Russia conclusively. Did you get the DM I sent you?

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18 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:56:58am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

Either party can claim the failure of the Drug War as a BIG issue next year and in 2016. Don’t let the right wing own it.

Ha, most of the people I know who smoke pot around here I would describe as rightwingers…

19 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:57:07am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

Either party can claim the failure of the Drug War as a BIG issue next year and in 2016. Don’t let the right wing own it.

Libertarians claim the issue. Democrats need to make it theirs. It’s a civil rights issue.

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:58:35am

re: #12 ProTARDISLiberal

I want Greenwald tried for espionage and aiding a foreign power.

Sorry, but I think that would be a very stupid move. Greenwald has been incredibly irresponsible and agenda-driven throughout this whole thing, but in America we don’t criminalize reporting and that’s how it should be.

21 A Mom Anon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 11:58:52am

This country needs to find some fucking compassion and concern for others. It’s not just the whole War on Drugs thing, which is idiotic, expensive and insane. Not to mention an excuse to militarize the police even further. This kind of shit wouldn’t be happening in a country that had a sense of community and real concern for others. These incidents are probably only the tip of the iceberg. It’s so sad.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:01:29pm

re: #16 ProTARDISLiberal

Also, I wouldn’t take sentiment on Human Rights in Germany seriously. They are all in a tizzy about the NSA, but still have millions of Turks without citizen, and no path to it.

And they will take every opportunity to defend Russia from people having legitimate criticisms of how the Russia state is operating.

Germany does real good at hypocrisy. Really good.

Russia is the source of the great majority of Germany’s natural gas and Putin has made clear he won’t hesitate to cut off shipments to any nation he feels is threatening Russia. Thus Germany is largely under Putin’s thumb where matters relating to Russia are concerned. It’s also why fracking in the US angers Russia, because projected US shipments of liquified natural gas (LNG) to Europe are seen as jeopardizing Russia’s control.

23 The War TARDIS  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:02:00pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Yep.

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I understand your thinking here. But I think has crossed a line somewhere along the way. He’s certainly a threat to US national security, And he has used his boyfriend to traffic stolen classified material.

24 The War TARDIS  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:03:46pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but it doesn’t explain their treatment of the Turks, or the Anti-Muslim sentiment that is through the roof there.

Even without Russia, Germany still does an impressive job at Hypocrisy.

25 Lidane  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:07:48pm

If these druggie scum have nothing to hide, they should just man up and deal with whatever the police put them through.

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26 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:10:07pm

Damn constitutional rights,. Seriously this fucking sucks.

27 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:10:42pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but I think that would be a very stupid move. Greenwald has been incredibly irresponsible and agenda-driven throughout this whole thing, but in America we don’t criminalize reporting and that’s how it should be.

Actually, I tend to think he did more than “report” on what Snowden did. I think he was involved in planning Snowden’s actions at the NSA. IIRC, wasn’t it reported early on that Snowden met Poitras back in November 2012 or thereabouts, and Greenwald in Feb 2013, before he actually went to work at the NSA? I’m not really clear on when Snowden went to work there (March? April?) but it certainly wasn’t in February.

“Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who Snowden first contacted in February, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday that Snowden “has taken extreme precautions to make sure many different people around the world have these archives to insure the stories will inevitably be published.”

thedailybeast.com

28 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:10:44pm

re: #21 A Mom Anon

This country needs to find some fucking compassion and concern for others. It’s not just the whole War on Drugs thing, which is idiotic, expensive and insane. Not to mention an excuse to militarize the police even further. This kind of shit wouldn’t be happening in a country that had a sense of community and real concern for others. These incidents are probably only the tip of the iceberg. It’s so sad.

Yes, this. Well said.

29 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:12:43pm

re: #21 A Mom Anon

This country needs to find some fucking compassion and concern for others. It’s not just the whole War on Drugs thing, which is idiotic, expensive and insane. Not to mention an excuse to militarize the police even further. This kind of shit wouldn’t be happening in a country that had a sense of community and real concern for others. These incidents are probably only the tip of the iceberg. It’s so sad.

This.

30 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:14:45pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Actually, I tend to think he did more than “report” on what Snowden did. I think he was involved in planning Snowden’s actions at the NSA. IIRC, wasn’t it reported early on that Snowden met Poitras back in November 2012 or thereabouts, and Greenwald in Feb 2013, before he actually went to work at the NSA? I’m not really clear on when Snowden went to work there (March? April?) but it certainly wasn’t in February.

“Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who Snowden first contacted in February, told The Daily Beast on Tuesday that Snowden “has taken extreme precautions to make sure many different people around the world have these archives to insure the stories will inevitably be published.”

thedailybeast.com

If it can be proven that Greenwald conspired to get Snowden into a position to steal the documents, that would be a different story. So far, though, this is just speculation.

31 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:15:09pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but I think that would be a very stupid move. Greenwald has been incredibly irresponsible and agenda-driven throughout this whole thing, but in America we don’t criminalize reporting and that’s how it should be.

Aiding and abetting, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy should not simply be swept under the rug in the name of the fourth estate. There has to be a clear line between journalism and advocacy, between reporting the truth and reporting opinion. Else why are we outraged by what he has done?

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:17:04pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

If it can be proven that Greenwald conspired to get Snowden into a position to steal the documents, that would be a different story. So far, though, this is just speculation.

Also, GG has been known to talk out of his ass, claiming all sorts of “I know stuff you don’t” when he’s just making stuff up.

33 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:17:45pm

I wish people would focus more on stuff like this than having to take your shoes off when going through airport security. Kind of like how dudebro types get all puffy about surveillance on people the feds know to be suspicious but don’t say nary a word about unarmed people who have been shot by the authorities.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:18:53pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Aiding and abetting, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy should not simply be swept under the rug in the name of the fourth estate. There has to be a clear line between journalism and advocacy, between reporting the truth and reporting opinion. Else why are we outraged by what he has done?

I’m not talking about blanket immunity even from criminal acts. If it can be proven that Greenwald committed actual crimes, that changes the equation. But so far I haven’t seen that proof.

35 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:21:19pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

If it can be proven that Greenwald conspired to get Snowden into a position to steal the documents, that would be a different story. So far, though, this is just speculation.

Yes, speculation, but you can bet for sure that it’s not an angle that is being ignored by the authorities.

And by self-imposing their own exile outside the US, all 3 of them—Snowden, Poitras and Greenwald—are fairly safe from being questioned about their roles in the entire affair.

36 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:23:13pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I’m not talking about blanket immunity even from criminal acts. If it can be proven that Greenwald committed actual crimes, that changes the equation. But so far I haven’t seen that proof.

And I’m agreed on that point. I was a bit hasty and misinterpreted your post as one advocating immunity in the name of journalism. In which case, I do apologize.

37 abolitionist  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:25:18pm

re: #10 Iwouldprefernotto

Police force man to endure three enemas, a colonoscopy, several cavity searches in fruitless search
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

I’ve had several colonoscopies and my experience is that after one you are empty. Why repeat the procedure? What the hell could someone be hiding?

This is torture and is going to cost the county/state 10 tens more money than the amount of drugs someone could hid in their digestive system.

It is my personal opinion that more than one enema dose within a short period of time could be considered hazardous to health. [Disclaimer: Not licensed to practice medicine; speaking from experience, involving one dose]

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:29:13pm

re: #37 abolitionist

It is my personal opinion that more than one enema dose within a short period of time could be considered hazardous to health. [Disclaimer: Not licensed to practice medicine; speaking from experience, involving one dose]

I can’t imagine being anesthetized against my will. And TWO x-rays, where one (without any of the various probes) would do.

39 Aunty Entity Dragon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:31:10pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

That’s torture. Not a search. Call it search torture. O M G

I would call it sanctioned gang rape, personally. It looks to me (and a number of cops at officer.com said as much as well) like this was a personal vendetta against the guy and the cops did this as sadistic sexual humiliation. The lawsuit stipulates that they mocked him about the procedures and what they did to him as they drove him back into their county.

40 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:33:45pm

re: #39 Aunty Entity Dragon

I would call it sanctioned gang rape, personally. It looks to me (and a number of cops at officer.com said as much as well) like this was a personal vendetta against the guy and the cops did this as sadistic sexual humiliation. The lawsuit stipulates that they mocked him about the procedures and what they did to him as they drove him back into their county.

The lawsuit also says the same cop (or sheriff, I forget now) and the same uncertified dog alerted to this man’s truck in the September before the events in January, his truck was searched, and nothing was found. They really wanted to nail him.

41 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:34:21pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

It’s past time to wind up the war on drugs. Legalize marijuana and treat other drug use as a medical and behavioral rather than a legal problem. The war on drugs has done nothing but empower abusive authorities and hinterland bullies. The prison industry, the militarization of police, and the destruction of the Constitution are all by-products of this scam. Enough already.

You are obviously correct, but none of this will change as long as there continue to exist privately-owned, for-profit prisons.

42 Lidane  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:38:43pm

re: #37 abolitionist

It is my personal opinion that more than one enema dose within a short period of time could be considered hazardous to health. [Disclaimer: Not licensed to practice medicine; speaking from experience, involving one dose]

I don’t have any medical training, but I would think that multiple doses in a short period of time would lead to serious chemical imbalances in the body, and that’s in a completely healthy person. What if the person being subjected to these multiple doses has kidney problems or some other undiagnosed medical condition?

There is no reason other than malice to administer multiple doses. WTF.

43 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:39:03pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

This.

Funny you should mention that. I visited my downstairs neighbor a while ago and found out that for some reason, SS did not send her kids’ survivor checks this month (they are 17 and 18 and both still in HS—hers was cut when both turned 16). She told me the landlord said not to worry too much about it until she got some answers from SS (he and his wife are great landlords and he has had her son help him out around the apts—I couldn’t ask for better), and I reminded her I would help if I could (I did buy a tot’s 2 wheeler w/training wheels from her, so that gave her a little money). She has been training to get her certification for child care and working PT, and her daughter also works after school, but it’s not enough of course to pay all the bills, which the kids’ checks certainly would. As long as they’re attending HS, they are eligible until they’re 19, so this is a mystery about why they were stopped, and she’s not getting very good answers, and she has no idea when she will get those or the money.

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:39:09pm

Guess who decided to use this story as the set-up for his weekly column.

45 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:41:56pm

re: #12 ProTARDISLiberal

I want Greenwald tried for espionage and aiding a foreign power.

Pretty pitchforkian.

Any evidence Greenwald actually aided and abetted Snowden?

Greenwald is guilty of being an insufferable douche of an advocacy propagandist, but espionage I don’t see yet.

We’ll continue to criticize and ridicule him for his crimes against objectivity and good faith.

46 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:45:10pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Guess who decided to use this story as the set-up for his weekly column.

When he’s not being a conservative shill and contrasting climate scientists with child rapists Steyn can write brilliant screeds.

47 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:45:47pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Guess who decided to use this story as the set-up for his weekly column.

He’s a fucking moron, as usual. He got the facts wrong, and his analogies are just idiotic.

Wait until he finds out it’s Hispanic cops and sheriffs and a black doctor doing this to a white man. He’ll have a whole additional column!

48 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:45:59pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

Either party can claim the failure of the Drug War as a BIG issue next year and in 2016. Don’t let the right wing own it.

This. I have no fear of the right trying to take up the issue. Too many evangelicals. But, if Democrats could get over their fears of being seen as soft on crime, they could win 2016 in a landslide. The White House and Congress. Come out in favor of legalizing Mary Jane at least. If you smoke weed you can grow up to be president after all.

49 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:48:04pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

He’s a fucking moron, as usual. He got the facts wrong, and his analogies are just idiotic.

Wait until he finds out it’s Hispanic cops and sheriffs and a black doctor doing this to a white man. He’ll have a whole additional column!

Actually, I’d guess it’ll be WND’s Colin Flairity who writes that column.

50 SpaceJesus  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:48:23pm

clASS action coming?

51 SpaceJesus  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:48:43pm

#wakkwakka

52 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:49:40pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

clASS action coming?

Does it take a certain number of instances?

53 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:50:32pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I’d guess it’ll be WND’s Colin Flairity who writes >that column.

You know your wingnuts better than I do.

54 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:55:26pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

You know your wingnuts better than I do.

He’s easily charmed by the Canadien accent.

55 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 12:56:50pm

Of course, they don’t want to accept responsibility. Hey, aren’t corporations people?

Bank Of America Facing $864 Million Fine After Mortgage Fraud Verdict

talkingpointsmemo.com

Mairone has a cushy job with JP Morgan so she ought to be able to pay a hefty penalty, too.

blogs.marketwatch.com

56 jvic  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:07:02pm

Every immigration reform proposal offered by anyone includes measures for increased border security. Mexicans are not the only victims of ‘border security’, although they are more frequently fatal victims, and more frequently abused than US citizens.

This kind of abuse starts with powerless people. Once a precedent is set, it escalates to other parts of the public—-until/unless there are consequences to the abusers.

At some point it can happen to me. It can happen to you. Unlikely, but not impossible. Less unlikely as time passes.

Awareness of police abuse is spreading, but it’s still rare, with all due respect to de Blasio, to see a politician willing to take on the law enforcement unions and risk being called soft on crime.

57 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:12:18pm

I’m glad I’m not in Lubbock tonight. You see, the Red Raiders suffered an embarrassing football loss to Kansas State today.
In their rage and grief, the savage masses of the Tech fan base will do what they always do: get falling down drunk and lash out at anyone they think is vulnerable. Since they are often mistaken in their evaluation of vulnerability, some of them will no doubt be beaten and arrested, if not worse. In any case, they will turn the streets and Walmarts into warzones of roving, screaming, piss-in-the-street packs and drunk drivers.
How much better it would be if most of them were stoned instead. They would sit quietly at stop signs, waiting for them to turn green, and the police could easily control them with bags of Oreos.

58 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:20:19pm

re: #56 jvic

Every immigration reform proposal offered by anyone includes measures for increased border security. Mexicans are not the only victims of ‘border security’, although they are more frequently fatal victims, and more frequently abused than US citizens.

This kind of abuse starts with powerless people. Once a precedent is set, it escalates to other parts of the public—-until/unless there are consequences to the abusers.

At some point it can happen to me. It can happen to you. Unlikely, but not impossible. Less unlikely as time passes.

Awareness of police abuse is spreading, but it’s still rare, with all due respect to de Blasio, to see a politician willing to take on the law enforcement unions and risk being called soft on crime.

If you look like this guy at the beginning of the video, it’s way more likely. If you look like he does at the end of the video, way less likely.

59 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:24:20pm

By the way, I’ve been putting together a Twitter list of LGF users with Twitter accounts: twitter.com

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:24:50pm

If you’re on Twitter and you’re not on the list let me know and I’ll add you. I know I’m probably missing some people.

61 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:27:56pm
62 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:30:42pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

If you’re on Twitter and you’re not on the list let me know and I’ll add you. I know I’m probably missing some people.

twitter.com

63 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:32:07pm

DJ Steve Porter - Rob Ford Crack Remix

Youtube Video

64 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:34:21pm

Speaking of football, I found a great one on NBCSP, Cornell vs. Dartmouth. Real people, small but devoted crowd right at the sideline, late autumn nip in the air, loads of tradition. Right now, the accursed Dartmouth mob is ahead 7-0 but it’s still in the first quarter. I’m counting on the heroic Big Red to surge forward and save the day later. If not, well, it’s only a game.

65 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:37:51pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

DJ Steve Porter - Rob Ford Crack Remix

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I have avoided coverage of that story until now. After watching that, I feel I can safely go back to ignoring it, with a complete understanding of the matter.

66 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:38:33pm
67 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:39:43pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel

I’m glad I’m not in Lubbock tonight. You see, the Red Raiders suffered an embarrassing football loss to Kansas State today.
In their rage and grief, the savage masses of the Tech fan base will do what they always do: get falling down drunk and lash out at anyone they think is vulnerable. Since they are often mistaken in their evaluation of vulnerability, some of them will no doubt be beaten and arrested, if not worse. In any case, they will turn the streets and Walmarts into warzones of roving, screaming, piss-in-the-street packs and drunk drivers.
How much better it would be if most of them were stoned instead. They would sit quietly at stop signs, waiting for them to turn green, and the police could easily control them with bags of Oreos.

Only they’d likely not wait to get home to get stoned, so the DUI car accidents and arrests would still happen.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:41:10pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of football, I found a great one on NBCSP, Cornell vs. Dartmouth. Real people, small but devoted crowd right at the sideline, late autumn nip in the air, loads of tradition. Right now, the accursed Dartmouth mob is ahead 7-0 but it’s still in the first quarter. I’m counting on the heroic Big Red to surge forward and save the day later. If not, well, it’s only a game.

Cool!

I’ve been getting more into EPL Football instead. Tomorrow’s match between ManU & the Gunners should be a good one. I just wish I could watch it on NBC Sports web but you have to be signed up for a cable rip off to log in :(

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:42:09pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

If you’re on Twitter and you’re not on the list let me know and I’ll add you. I know I’m probably missing some people.

@justafarmer4

70 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:49:28pm

BBL

71 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:53:09pm

I have the sound system pumping Nightmares on Wax all over a $10m home.

The project manager is pissing me off. Shall I change to Dead Kennedys and increase volume?

Or… Beiber?

So many choices.

72 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:55:18pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

If you’re on Twitter and you’re not on the list let me know and I’ll add you. I know I’m probably missing some people.

moi.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:56:32pm

re: #71 Tim TeaBro

I have the sound system pumping Nightmares on Wax all over a $10m home.

The project manager is pissing me off. Shall I change to Dead Kennedys and increase volume?

Or… Beiber?

So many choices.

Beiber, hands down.
Or Nickleback…

74 Lidane  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:57:30pm

re: #71 Tim TeaBro

Bieber is only if you’re a masochist. Otherwise, the Dead Kennedys will do. Or find some death metal and put it on blast.

75 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:57:32pm

Thanks, Karen Finley, for pointing this fact out. Surprisingly, this was brought to light by Jennifer Rubin.

Rand Paul has another problem

washingtonpost.com

“In the spring of 2010 stories first swirled around Sen. Rand Paul’s certification as an ophthalmologist by an outfit called the “National Ophthalmology Board,” an entity he founded. This week I discovered that while he continues to present himself as “board certified” the NOB has been out of business since 2011, and in any event, does not under Kentucky law permit him to advertise as “board certified.”

What else is Paul fudging?

76 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 1:58:54pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Only they’d likely not wait to get home to get stoned, so the DUI car accidents and arrests would still happen.

Some would, but they wouldn’t be as numerous or as severe. Driving under the influence of marijuana is illegal and dangerous, but it is nothing like driving drunk. Stoned drivers are likely to obstruct traffic, hit fixed objects, and drive the wrong way if not off the road entirely. Drunk drivers, in contrast, are homicidally aggressive. I have never seen a stoner crash doing 100mph on a residential street. I have seen this more than once with drunks. Stoned drivers are also unlikely to fight with the police when they are caught, while drunks often do so.

77 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:04:44pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

By the way, I’ve been putting together a Twitter list of LGF users with Twitter accounts: twitter.com

Heads-up: For those of you who haven’t had to deal with abuse from our stalkers before, this list is probably going to be irresistible to them, so beware of new followers and confirm any handles that you’re not sure about.

One of their tactics is to use names that are similar to LGF user names, and they’ll also go as far as to steal users’ avatar photos in an effort to appear legit/friendly and avoid being blocked long enough to have an opportunity to spew insults & lies at you.

Now I’m going to stop talking about them because I know how much they enjoy the attention. Carry on.

78 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:11:53pm

Oh yeah—excellent post, ww!

79 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:14:06pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel

{I have heard that} stoners are less likely to go driving in the first place, because one of the effects of smoking marijuana is that the smoker becomes acutely aware of how much of a pain in the ass it is to drive in general, and of how long it’s been since he watched the 1982 Wes Craven film, “Swamp Thing”. He recalls fondly that it featured at least one scene in which the wonderful Adrienne Barbeau is shown topless, and then he remembers that scene where the Swamp Thing grows a new arm thanks to the magic of photosynthesis. He chuckles softly to himself at these thoughts. He then puts the DVD in and grabs a Shiner from the fridge as he waits for the FBI piracy warning to pass. He makes it about 48 minutes into the movie before falling peacefully asleep.

That’s not just my opinion, that’s science.

80 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:15:43pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

Oh yeah—excellent post, ww!

I have to thank the [obscenity deleted] state of New Mexico for providing easy material to work with. And I must thank my lord and savior, SpaceJesus, for posting the first installment.

81 Kragar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:20:03pm

Politics, Texas Style

82 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:25:35pm

I guess they were waiting for Miss Venezuela to win the Miss Universe contest in Moscow.

83 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:28:09pm

re: #79 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

{I have heard that} stoners are less likely to go driving in the first place, because one of the effects of smoking marijuana is that the smoker becomes acutely aware of how much of a pain in the ass it is to drive in general, and of how long it’s been since he watched the 1982 Wes Craven film, “Swamp Thing”. He recalls fondly that it featured at least one scene in which the wonderful Adrienne Barbeau is shown topless, and then he remembers that scene where the Swamp Thing grows a new arm thanks to the magic of photosynthesis. He chuckles softly to himself at these thoughts. He then puts the DVD in and grabs a Shiner from the fridge as he waits for the FBI piracy warning to pass. He makes it about 48 minutes into the movie before falling peacefully asleep.

That’s not just my opinion, that’s science.

Haha, I once had to drive across Philly while rather high, back in the day.

We thought we’d never get to our destination.

84 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:30:28pm


As we observe the 75th anniversary of the so-called Kristallnacht (known more appropriately as “Reichspogromnacht” in Germany today), let it not be forgotten that Berlin’s Neue Synagogue was saved from total destruction by a German police officer pulling his gun on the mob that had assembled there, thus allowing the fire brigade to prevent a small blaze from spreading. You can read the story on Wikipedia here.

85 Kragar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:34:43pm

re: #84 bratwurst

The cop reminded me of this guy.

Chiune Sugihara

In 1939, Sugihara became a vice-consul of the Japanese Consulate in Kaunas, Lithuania. His other duty was to report on Soviet and German troop movements.[2]

Sugihara is said to have cooperated with Polish intelligence as part of a bigger Japanese-Polish cooperative plan.[5] As the Soviet Union occupied sovereign Lithuania in 1940, many Jewish refugees from Poland (Polish Jews) as well as Lithuanian Jews tried to acquire exit visas. Without the visas, it was dangerous to travel, yet it was impossible to find countries willing to issue them. Hundreds of refugees came to the Japanese consulate in Kaunas, trying to get a visa to Japan. The Dutch consul Jan Zwartendijk had provided some of them with an official third destination to Curaçao, a Caribbean island and Dutch colony that required no entry visa, or Surinam (which, upon independence in 1975, became Suriname). At the time, the Japanese government required that visas be issued only to those who had gone through appropriate immigration procedures and had enough funds. Most of the refugees did not fulfill these criteria. Sugihara dutifully contacted the Japanese Foreign Ministry three times for instructions. Each time, the Ministry responded that anybody granted a visa should have a visa to a third destination to exit Japan, with no exceptions.[2]

From 18 July to 28 August 1940, aware that applicants were in danger if they stayed behind, Sugihara began to grant visas on his own initiative, after consulting with his family. He ignored the requirements and issued the Jews with a ten-day visa to transit through Japan, in direct violation of his orders. Given his inferior post and the culture of the Japanese Foreign Service bureaucracy, this was an extraordinary act of disobedience. He spoke to Soviet officials who agreed to let the Jews travel through the country via the Trans-Siberian Railway at five times the standard ticket price.

Sugihara continued to hand write visas, reportedly spending 18-20 hours a day on them, producing a normal month’s worth of visas each day, until 4 September, when he had to leave his post before the consulate was closed. By that time he had granted thousands of visas to Jews, many of whom were heads of households and thus permitted to take their families with them. On the night before their scheduled departure, Sugihara and his wife stayed awake writing out visa approvals. According to witnesses, he was still writing visas while in transit from his hotel and after boarding the train at the Kaunas Railway Station, throwing visas into the crowd of desperate refugees out of the train’s window even as the train pulled out.

In final desperation, blank sheets of paper with only the consulate seal and his signature (that could be later written over into a visa) were hurriedly prepared and flung out from the train. As he prepared to depart, he said, “Please forgive me. I cannot write anymore. I wish you the best.” When he bowed deeply to the people before him, someone exclaimed, “Sugihara. We’ll never forget you. I’ll surely see you again!”[1]

Sugihara himself wondered about official reaction to the thousands of visas he issued. Many years later, he recalled, “No one ever said anything about it. I remember thinking that they probably didn’t realize how many I actually issued.”[6]

86 ObserverArt  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:37:06pm

re: #21 A Mom Anon

This country needs to find some fucking compassion and concern for others. It’s not just the whole War on Drugs thing, which is idiotic, expensive and insane. Not to mention an excuse to militarize the police even further. This kind of shit wouldn’t be happening in a country that had a sense of community and real concern for others. These incidents are probably only the tip of the iceberg. It’s so sad.

May I add that a big problem is so much of this is business. And as we have always been told, business is cold, it is not about people. “It’s just business.”

Money is to be made on the war on drugs, privatizing prisons, prison building, operating drug clinics for testing and rehab, everything. Private investigators, lawyers, bail bondsmen…it is all an industry. And much of it is for profit, and when money comes in compassion and rights get trampled. Screw the Constitution.

And along those same lines…many of the same issues are in health care too. All about the business and profits…screw The Hippocratic Oath.

I am in no way excusing it, just pointing out the facts that it is warped because people profit.

87 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:38:59pm

i hardly use my twitter account since i have enough trouble deciding whether to bark or meow much less tweet

88 ObserverArt  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:42:49pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Aiding and abetting, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy should not simply be swept under the rug in the name of the fourth estate. There has to be a clear line between journalism and advocacy, between reporting the truth and reporting opinion. Else why are we outraged by what he has done?

A damn good point. I agree with Charles, ProTardisLiberal and you. So maybe we should allow it to play out in steps. Let Greenwald go on a bit, if he is the ass we all think, he will fall into being investigated, if he isn’t already. Then if found in fact he did manipulate this and use it for career gain then he will get hammered by the proper authorities and then pay the price. This whole thing is still in flux.

89 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:50:40pm

re: #85 Kragar

The cop reminded me of this guy.

Chiune Sugihara

Get a load of this similar story:

Aristides de Sousa Mendes

As Portuguese Consul-General in Bordeaux, France, he ignored and defied the orders of his own government for the safety of war refugees fleeing from invading German military forces in the early years of World War II. Between June 11 and June 23, 1940, he frantically issued Portuguese visas to an estimated 30,000 refugees seeking to escape the Nazi terror, about a third of whom were Jews.

The number he helped is now disputed, and this story has become a matter of debate in Portugal generally (some claiming it was largely mythologized to discredit the Salazar regime)…but there is no real question that this man sacrificed his career in order to save thousands of people.

90 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:51:53pm

re: #89 bratwurst

Get a load of this similar story:

Aristides de Sousa Mendes

The number he helped is now disputed, and this story has become a matter of debate in Portugal generally (some claiming it was largely mythologized to discredit the Salazar regime)…but there is no real question that this man sacrificed his career in order to save thousands of people.

Or this story; Selahattin Ülkümen of Turkey.

en.wikipedia.org

91 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:52:02pm

re: #85 Kragar

The cop reminded me of this guy.

Chiune Sugihara

Wow…that guy is a fucking hero ten times over. God bless him.

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:53:28pm

Hahahahahaha. Brilliant.

93 ObserverArt  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:55:12pm

re: #75 Justanotherhuman

Thanks, Karen Finley, for pointing this fact out. Surprisingly, this was brought to light by Jennifer Rubin.

Rand Paul has another problem

washingtonpost.com

“In the spring of 2010 stories first swirled around Sen. Rand Paul’s certification as an ophthalmologist by an outfit called the “National Ophthalmology Board,” an entity he founded. This week I discovered that while he continues to present himself as “board certified” the NOB has been out of business since 2011, and in any event, does not under Kentucky law permit him to advertise as “board certified.”

What else is Paul fudging?

Always kind of thought the son-of-gun was fake. Now it may be proven. I hope he crashes and burns. Not that the Tea Party/Wingnut/Libertines will change or learn a lesson from it all, they seem incapable. But justice would be nice as well as it being his bitch.

94 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:58:28pm

I’ve come to the conclusion that if you want a wingnut to not only defend owning/consuming something as a freedom, but as a right, just say that the government’s going to ban it. First shitty insurance policies, now trans fats.

95 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:59:06pm

re: #84 bratwurst

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As we observe the 75th anniversary of the so-called Kristallnacht (known more appropriately as “Reichspogromnacht” in Germany today), let it not be forgotten that Berlin’s Neue Synagogue was saved from total destruction by a German police officer pulling his gun on the mob that had assembled there, thus allowing the fire brigade to prevent a small blaze from spreading. You can read the story on Wikipedia here.

I learned this today:

Two days after Kristallnacht, Germany’s Jews were fined roughly a billion Reichsmark (about $400 million in 1938) for “property damaged in the rioting.”

Read more: Kristallnacht: Photos From a 1938 Press Conference ‘Justifying’ Terror | LIFE.com life.time.com

(Reminded me of the colonoscopy victim being billed by the hospital. Bad, godwinney comparison, but it happened.)

96 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 2:59:51pm

re: #89 bratwurst

Get a load of this similar story:

Aristides de Sousa Mendes

The number he helped is now disputed, and this story has become a matter of debate in Portugal generally (some claiming it was largely mythologized to discredit the Salazar regime)…but there is no real question that this man sacrificed his career in order to save thousands of people.

Thanks bratwurst—now my advertisements are coming up in Portuguese.

97 Kragar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:00:03pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow…that guy is a fucking hero ten times over. God bless him.

When he died, his neighbors didn’t understand why the Israelis sent a delegation to his funeral. He never told any of them what he did.

98 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:00:29pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Hahahahahaha. Brilliant.

when you say “le club du hockey” do you have to say ‘cloob’ or is the vowel pronounced as in american?

99 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:01:45pm

Anyone feeling sadomasochistic today? Or want to just flat out jaw drop?

Check out NY Magazine’s review of Sister Sarah Palin’s Christmas book. There’s a tree with bulbs on it you can click to hear her cartoon read some portions.

nymag.com

Laughing, crying,

Dog she’s an idiot,

100 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:02:54pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Thanks bratwurst—now my advertisements are coming up in Portuguese.

You could do much worse! About a year ago the “Liberator Medical” TV ad with the guy who is REALLY happy about ordering catheters over the phone become a topic of conversation on another message board I visit, and for DAYS I was seeing his mug everywhere I went.

101 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:04:29pm

re: #84 bratwurst

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As we observe the 75th anniversary of the so-called Kristallnacht (known more appropriately as “Reichspogromnacht” in Germany today), let it not be forgotten that Berlin’s Neue Synagogue was saved from total destruction by a German police officer pulling his gun on the mob that had assembled there, thus allowing the fire brigade to prevent a small blaze from spreading. You can read the story on Wikipedia here.

The Neue Synagogue is gorgeous. Here’s a nice shot of some of the dome details. I googled for photos of the interior, but couldn’t find anything besides the entrance. I did find this other one though, Synagoge Rykestraße (more Google images here). Wow, just wow. The blue domed sky part (I have no idea what you call it), took my breath away.

Heh, the funny thing is they feel strangely familiar—very similar to mosques in many ways.

102 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:08:41pm

Holy crap.

Florida-bound plane returns to O’Hare after engine part falls off

suntimes.com

Everything at Spirit is cheap? Even the maintenance?

103 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:08:47pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Anyone feeling sadomasochistic today? Or want to just flat out jaw drop?

Check out NY Magazine’s review of Sister Sarah Palin’s Christmas book. There’s a tree with bulbs on it you can click to hear her cartoon read some portions.

nymag.com

Laughing, crying,

Dog she’s an idiot,

Not quite grasping the review—Does the book actually include the ‘Talking SP Head’, or was the reviewer being max snarky?

104 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:11:43pm

re: #101 CuriousLurker

The Neue Synagogue is gorgeous. Here’s a nice shot of some of the dome details. I googled for photos of the interior, but couldn’t find anything besides the entrance. I did find this other one though, Synagoge Rykestraße (more Google images here). Wow, just wow. The blue domed sky part (I have no idea what you call it), took my breath away.

Heh, the funny thing is they feel strangely familiar—very similar to mosques in many ways.

I have been fortunate enough to visit twice, and it is indeed magnificent inside and out. It was very much part of the architectural Moorish Revival in Europe during the second half of the 19th century, which accounts for the more than passing resemblance to a Mosque.

I am about to post a page on the story I posted above, but too lazy to scan my own pics to include. No loss, they were taken in 1990 before the serious restoration work anyway.

105 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:12:36pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Click around on the Christmas tree below to hear some of the book’s more memorable lines. (at the site)

ETA: Clicking on the star gets you: “An angry atheist with a lawyer is one of the most powerful persons in America.”

Wheeee! And if the lawyer is an atheist, you get a two-fer!

106 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:12:55pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Anyone feeling sadomasochistic today? Or want to just flat out jaw drop?

Check out NY Magazine’s review of Sister Sarah Palin’s Christmas book. There’s a tree with bulbs on it you can click to hear her cartoon read some portions.

nymag.com

Laughing, crying,

Dog she’s an idiot,

“atheism’s track record makes the spanish inquisition look like disneyland by comparison”

i have heard that many people survive disneyland with a minimum of actual physical trauma

107 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:13:17pm

re: #104 bratwurst

I have been fortunate enough to visit twice, and it is indeed magnificent inside and out. It was very much part of the architectural Moorish Revival in Europe during the second half of the 19th century, which accounts for the more than passing resemblance to a Mosque.

Ah, okay, no wonder it feels familiar then.

108 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:14:05pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Not quite grasping the review—Does the book actually include the ‘Talking SP Head’, or was the reviewer being max snarky?

Max snarky. She’d never allow it.

109 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:14:24pm

hmmm ignatz i guess kibble breath is better than rat breath

110 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:14:35pm

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

Click around on the Christmas tree below to hear some of the book’s more memorable lines. (at the site)

Yeah, but is the graphic in the book? That would be insanely self-lampooning?

111 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:15:49pm

re: #97 Kragar

When he died, his neighbors didn’t understand why the Israelis sent a delegation to his funeral. He never told any of them what he did.

Which makes him even more of a hero in my book. Don’t toot your own or be conceited, just be proud of what you did without need to broadcast it.

112 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:16:34pm

re: #98 dog philosopher

when you say “le club du hockey” do you have to say ‘cloob’ or is the vowel pronounced as in american?

American pronunciation.

113 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:17:08pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

“many on the left see faith and family as oppressive”

and i am also opposed to the left’s campaign to stamp out apple pie

114 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:17:54pm

re: #104 bratwurst

I have been fortunate enough to visit twice, and it is indeed magnificent inside and out. It was very much part of the architectural Moorish Revival in Europe during the second half of the 19th century, which accounts for the more than passing resemblance to a Mosque.

Wife was an army brat in a village near Grafenwoehr in the early ’50s. Not the most diplomatic kid, she asked a German neighbor about the bomb ruins still unrepaired in town. Neighbor replied: “We were never bombed—you must mean the synagogue.”

115 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:17:58pm

I do NOT want to know what life lesson #1 is.

116 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:20:04pm

re: #107 CuriousLurker

Ah, okay, no wonder it feels familiar then.

The Jubilee Synagogue in Prague is a smaller example I have also been lucky enough to visit more than once.

117 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:20:14pm

re: #113 dog philosopher

“many on the left see faith and family as oppressive”

and i am also opposed to the left’s campaign to stamp out apple pie

GRRR. IDIOTS. Stupid IDIOTS.

My atheist father did a phenomenal job of raising my brother and I, even going so far as to stay with my mother until we both turned 18 even though he wanted out of the marriage. He did this so there wouldn’t be any ugly custody battles.

He even today he is a tremendous source of love, support and guidance regardless of his beliefs.

118 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:22:05pm

#19: “Sadly there are no Chick-fil-A restaurants in Alaska.”

WTF does that have to do with christmas?

119 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:22:16pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

A comment. Sarcastic? hahahahaha

Bold, brilliant, beautiful Gov. Sarah Palin has penned another blockbuster best-selling book. Acknowledged as America’s leading lady of letters in the 21st Century, pretty, perceptive, prophetic Gov. Palin’s new publication will deal with spiritual, cultural, & philosophical matters from a moral & Christian perspective.

120 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:23:15pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

A comment. Sarcastic? hahahahaha

That would not be at all sarcastic on Freep.

121 bratwurst  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:23:56pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

#19: “Sadly there are no Chick-fil-A restaurants in Alaska.”

WTF does that have to do with christmas?

What would the holiday be without access to gay-hatin chicken?!?!

122 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:24:23pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

#19: “Sadly there are no Chick-fil-A restaurants in Alaska.”

WTF does that have to do with christmas?

Good Christian homophobes are reduced to meeting at a dried cod joint.

123 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:24:42pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Anyone feeling sadomasochistic today? Or want to just flat out jaw drop?

Check out NY Magazine’s review of Sister Sarah Palin’s Christmas book. There’s a tree with bulbs on it you can click to hear her cartoon read some portions.

nymag.com

Laughing, crying,

, and listened to all four-and-a-half hours, which is technically not a violation of the Geneva Convention if you’re getting paid to do it, New York’s legal team insists.

Dog she’s an idiot,

124 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:24:44pm

re: #116 bratwurst

The Jubilee Synagogue in Prague is a smaller example I have also been lucky enough to visit more than once.

Beautiful—you are indeed lucky. And on that happy note, I’m outta here.

G’nite, lizards.

125 AlexRogan  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:24:59pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

A comment. Sarcastic? hahahahaha

That commenter is either sarcastically channeling the RWNJ hivemind very well or they’ve been lobotomized.

Either way, I LOLed.

126 darthstar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:29:44pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

If you’re on Twitter and you’re not on the list let me know and I’ll add you. I know I’m probably missing some people.

Ahem.

127 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:30:15pm

WW have you tried Tajin? having on my watermelon right now. mmmm

128 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:30:20pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

“So are you ready for some good, old-fashioned words? Here are some: work, honesty, courage, justice, thrift, perseverance.”

i have heard that some people show such perseverance that they are actually able to complete an entire term of elective office

but that may just be a rumor

129 darthstar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:31:42pm

Angels entertain themselves while we sleep.

Image: 1425663_10152095657173322_2005171703_n.jpg

130 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:31:48pm

“Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News network, once asked me, “What the bleep is so offensive about putting up a plastic Jewish family on my lawn at Christmastime?”“

no further comment required

131 jamesfirecat  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:32:52pm

re: #81 Kragar

Politics, Texas Style

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Good thing for him there weren’t any televised debates.

132 darthstar  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:33:22pm
133 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:34:08pm

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Good thing for him there weren’t any televised debates.

Only had to fool 13 people. GOTV.

134 AlexRogan  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:34:54pm

re: #130 dog philosopher

“Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News network, once asked me, “What the bleep is so offensive about putting up a plastic Jewish family on my lawn at Christmastime?”“

no further comment required

Was he talking about a nativity scene or something else?

135 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:36:51pm

re: #134 AlexRogan

Was he talking about a nativity scene or something else?

not sure, but i am hard at work thinking about what kind of sound a band named “Plastic Jewish Family” would have

136 dog philosopher  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:37:35pm

re: #129 darthstar

Angels entertain themselves while we sleep.

Image: 1425663_10152095657173322_2005171703_n.jpg

:-) :-)

where does that come from?

137 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:37:46pm

re: #135 dog philosopher

not sure, but i am hard at work thinking about what kind of sound a band named “Plastic Jewish Family” would have

Sounds like Yoko Ono would be suing their asses off.

138 AlexRogan  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:40:06pm

re: #135 dog philosopher

not sure, but i am hard at work thinking about what kind of sound a band named “Plastic Jewish Family” would have

I’m sure that it would be groovy.

139 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:41:36pm

re: #135 dog philosopher

not sure, but i am hard at work thinking about what kind of sound a band named “Plastic Jewish Family” would have

HA

140 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:41:59pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

WW have you tried Tajin? having on my watermelon right now. mmmm

No, I haven’t. Apparently, if a New Mexican wants chile powder, they are required to roast, dry, and grind their own. I talked to someone yesterday who did that.

They serve mangos-on-a-stick with chile powder, but I ask for mine plain.

Did you get any antique Christmas ornaments?

141 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:42:00pm

re: #130 dog philosopher

“Roger Ailes, the president of Fox News network, once asked me, “What the bleep is so offensive about putting up a plastic Jewish family on my lawn at Christmastime?”“

no further comment required

Arrogant dimwit. Don’t care what he puts on his lawn, including a fiery cross.

142 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:42:12pm

You Lizards aren’t gonna believe what I found on YouTube.

“The Abominable Dr. Phibes”.

Youtube Video

en.wikipedia.org

143 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:43:43pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

No, I haven’t. Apparently, if a New Mexican wants chile powder, they are required to roast, dry, and grind their own. I talked to someone yesterday who did that.

They serve mangos-on-a-stick with chile powder, but I ask for mine plain.

Did you get any antique Christmas ornaments?

It’s really good you should try.

No I didn’t get any, the ladies at the store have no clue. All they had were some hand made ones from the 70’s, you get the picture.

144 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:45:26pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

It’s really good you should try.

No I didn’t get any, the ladies at the store have no clue. All they had were some hand made ones from the 70’s, you get the picture.

I’ll put it on the shopping list. And a watermelon.

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:55:56pm
146 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:56:39pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Anyone feeling sadomasochistic today? Or want to just flat out jaw drop?

Check out NY Magazine’s review of Sister Sarah Palin’s Christmas book. There’s a tree with bulbs on it you can click to hear her cartoon read some portions.

nymag.com

Laughing, crying,

Dog she’s an idiot,

I’m tempted to invoke Poe’s Law on this. Item #4 in particular. That’s a museum-quality Palinism. Baffling non-sequitur, delivered with a cocky self-assurance that would out-do even the drunkest high school prom king.

147 Lidane  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:58:57pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Another tip: Dump that site and anything associated with it into your browser filter/antivirus program as malware. Nobody needs that kind of negative energy in their lives.

148 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 3:59:08pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

No, I haven’t. Apparently, if a New Mexican wants chile powder, they are required to roast, dry, and grind their own. I talked to someone yesterday who did that.

They serve mangos-on-a-stick with chile powder, but I ask for mine plain.

Did you get any antique Christmas ornaments?

Somehow, this seems appropriate:

Youtube Video

149 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:05:39pm

re: #148 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Somehow, this seems appropriate:

[Embedded content]

Some people should just give up eating.

150 Weet  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:05:52pm

Update on VA Attorney General race:

At stake are 492 provisional votes in Fairfax County to be counted on Tuesday. These will almost certainly cause Herring to win the election.

Cuccinelli is not allowing Fairfax County to have legal counsel represent provisional voters in the vote reviews unless the voter actually shows up at the board meeting. Fairfax usually has legal counsel represent the voters, so this is a change for them.

Fairfax County Secretary Brian Shoeneman (A Republican) disagrees with Cuccinelli, and took a board vote to formalize his disagreement.

Kookinelli says the “State Board of Elections has always interpreted the policy this way.” We’ll see who can come up with proof that Kook is lying.

Note that the statute included in Kook’s memo does not state what he is mandating.

Here’s one article on this:
Provisional-ballot voters in Va. face new obstacle

151 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:22:33pm

I see Caribou Barbie is probably already pre-ordering this POS in bulk to tease people into giving her even more money when she sends out campaign fundraising letters. She’s done it in the past, and the rubes fall for it. They’ll gladly give her $100 for something that will be in the dollar bin in a couple of months, just to get an auto-pen “signed” copy. Broadside Books is Harper Collins’ conservative imprint.

Good grief, 256 pages of what? Who was her ghost writer on this one, Nancy French, who also writes her dumb-ass daughter’s blog?

amazon.com

She’ll be hustling the book all month.
Image: 1459100_10151991881228588_1366475223_n.png

152 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:22:44pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

re: #149 wrenchwench

All of this sites products have been fantastic.
I’m giving them for Christmas!
(If you don’t buy enough the shipping is deadly)
My favorite is the Jerk seasoning…
guavaberry.com

153 Stanley Sea  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 4:25:54pm

re: #152 Dancing along the light of day

All of this sites products have been fantastic.
I’m giving them for Christmas!
(If you don’t buy enough the shipping is deadly)
My favorite is the Jerk seasoning…
guavaberry.com

mmmmm thanks!

154 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Nov 9, 2013 6:48:24pm

re: #85 Kragar

That should be a movie, but since he’s Japanese, Hollywood probably wouldn’t touch it. He sounds like the people in Varian’s War.


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