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1 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:11:16am

And yet I’ll bet that person votes for a ‘law n’ order’ candidate every time.

2 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:28:45am

Here’s the fun thing about them doing this. If someone follows up the whole becomes eligible for ‘conspiracy to commit’ charges.

Citing the Texas law, bolded emphasis on the elements that would apply here.

§ 15.02. CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. (a) A person commits
criminal conspiracy if, with intent that a felony be committed:
(1) he agrees with one or more persons that they or one
or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense;
and
(2) he or one or more of them performs an overt act in
pursuance of the agreement.
(b) An agreement constituting a conspiracy may be inferred
from acts of the parties.
(c) It is no defense to prosecution for criminal conspiracy
that:
(1) one or more of the coconspirators is not
criminally responsible for the object offense;
(2) one or more of the coconspirators has been
acquitted, so long as two or more coconspirators have not been
acquitted;
(3) one or more of the coconspirators has not been
prosecuted or convicted, has been convicted of a different offense,
or is immune from prosecution;
(4) the actor belongs to a class of persons that by
definition of the object offense is legally incapable of committing
the object offense in an individual capacity; or
(5) the object offense was actually committed.
(d) An offense under this section is one category lower than
the most serious felony that is the object of the conspiracy, and if
the most serious felony that is the object of the conspiracy is a
state jail felony, the offense is a Class A misdemeanor.

Right now (5) [it doesn’t matter if] the object offense was actually committed doesn’t apply because there’s no proof there’s been an agreement to commit the crime (part a, the keystone of all this). Just reading an internet post isn’t enough. Sharing it to others isn’t enough as it might be sent as information or warning without agreement. ‘Liking’ it or posting it with an agreeing message is borderline - it’ll depend on the jury.

Do I think Texas would prosecute this if it happened? Actually, yes, sorta, even given the political bias at the top here. They’d prosecute the kidnapping. Barring stupidity on the part of the conspirators - or a rash of kidnappings - they’d not prosecute the conspiracy. Couple of reasons.

First, it’s still a major crime. They DO NOT TOLERATE kidnapping.

Second, it’s one of the promotables. That is, it’s one of the crimes for which there’s a federal parallel. If Texas fails to prosecute the FBI can take it up. Yes, technically the kidnapping must cross state lines or involve multiple states. Remember when I said that liking or crossposting was borderline? Well, it is borderline enough that the Federal hook is “interstate conspiracy to commit kidnapping”. And if that happens it both makes Texas look bad (worse) and might get people the folk at the top would prefer to leave alone.

Of course that’s all must my guessing, my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

But the plan itself is abhorrent, and I sincerely hope it goes nowhere.

3 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:34:53am

Creeps

4 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:39:58am
5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:43:17am

Has anyone checked out the Facebook profile of the group that is suggesting actually doing this?

6 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:45:15am

I used to but heads with anti-choice fucks on a regular basis. There was a clinic between my home and the high school where I taught, and there would be protesters out there in the early mornings with their fetus posters. There were also volunteer ‘clinic defense’ workers (young women mostly) standing outside the front door to keep the protesters back from blocking access.

On cold, rainy days, I’d stop at a coffee shop and buy a couple of cups, stop my car, and hand them to the defense workers before ladling a full helping of profanity filled opinion onto the jesus freaks and their fetus boards.

That always made me smile.

7 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:46:56am

Thanks for the promotion Charles.

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:47:03am

re: #6 darthstar

Yeah, I did ‘escort’ duty at the clinic down the block from me in SF for a few years. Amazed me that even in San Francisco, there were always a collection of hate-filled bigots there to scream and rant and lie.

9 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:51:52am

Personally I am “pro-life”—I have never had an abortion or even considered it.

But I am totally opposed to interfering in another person’s pregnancy decisions.

10 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:52:23am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Has anyone checked out the Facebook profile of the group that is suggesting actually doing this?

Well, it’s neither Fund Texas Women nor the Cicada Collective, both of whom are pro-choice. Someone commented over at Fund Texas women that it had been removed from the FB site.


At this point, I can’t find the original source.

11 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:53:18am

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

Well, it’s neither Fund Texas Women nor the Cicada Collective, both of whom are pro-choice. Someone commented over at Fund Texas women that it had been removed from the FB site.

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At this point, I can’t find the original source.

It’s something calling itself “Praying for you Abolish Human Abortion” however it’s being Tweeted by pro-choice groups to warn women of this potential danger.

12 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:59:35am

Hello Joyce, it’s not a novel, it’s an actual real-life memoir.

13 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:03:37am

Gee, I must have missed that part in the Bible where Jesus kidnapped people to force them to convert.

14 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:03:55am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

It’s something calling itself “Praying for you Abolish Human Abortion” however it’s being Tweeted by pro-choice groups to warn women of this potential danger.

Looks like Abolish Human Abortion is the established organizational vehicle—pretty cultish in a lot of ways.

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15 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:05:08am

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Gee, I must have missed that part in the Bible where Jesus kidnapped people to force them to convert.

Maybe Jesus didn’t but the Pope did.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:05:28am

Here’s the FB page for the group in question.

They are taking quite a shellacking for this supposed initiative.

17 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:06:02am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

It’s something calling itself “Praying for you Abolish Human Abortion” however it’s being Tweeted by pro-choice groups to warn women of this potential danger.

These people are truly whackos. facebook.com

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:06:38am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

It’s something calling itself “Praying for you Abolish Human Abortion” however it’s being Tweeted by pro-choice groups to warn women of this potential danger.

I couldn’t find it at the “Abolish Human Abortion” FB page, but did learn that they are the ones behind the abortion cards being given out to trick or treaters.
These are some seriously creepy people. Lots of Godwin nonsense, equating abortion with slavery (they call themselves “Abolitionists”), and plenty of graphics telling women that “it’s not your body” (“unborn baby persons” take precedent).
They also despise IVF.

19 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:07:50am

I can totally see an episode of “Criminal Minds” in which some psycho kidnaps pregnant women by offering them a ride to the abortion clinic then chaining them up in some basement to make sure they give birth.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:09:57am

If you look at the screen cap it was actually an entity called “Praying for you” that posted this to the “abolish abortion” group’s wall.

21 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:11:33am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Personally I am “pro-life”—I have never had an abortion or even considered it.

But I am totally opposed to interfering in another person’s pregnancy decisions.

And that is just as it should be. Thank you.

And of course, these same zealots are also the ones that support cutting SNAP budgets for things like WIC and food stamps.

I guess both stances make them feel good, yet they can’t figure out how the two stances don’t line up. I don’t understand the disconnect.

22 Dr. Matt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:12:11am

I imagine under Texas law that the person being kidnapped can stand their ground.

23 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:12:26am

OK,I have to get ready to take the dog to the vet. Hopefully she’ll get a health clearance. She ended up with a staph infection in her skin from an allergic reaction via incessant scratching. She took her last dose of antibiotics yesterday,so paws crossed she’s over this crap.

As for these antiabortion nutbars, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another line crossed and another doctor, clinic worker or patient is hurt or killed by these godbothering shitmuffins. I hope someone finds out who these FB freaks are and this plan of theirs is exposed for what it is: Intimidation and zealotry behind a thin veneer of “saving babies”. You want to save babies? Lobby for poor mothers to get proper healthcare.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:13:00am

Yunno, offering to take someone to an abortion clinic and then using the ride time to try and convince them otherwise might be a bit underhanded but still acceptable.

But it would also involve offering the woman other options to abortion, like offering them adoption or childcare or aid with education, finding a job or raising the child.

At that is where the “Christian concern for human life” that these a lot of these people love to share with the world abruptly ends.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:13:05am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

If you look at the screen cap it was actually an entity called “Praying for you” that posted this to the “abolish abortion” group’s wall.

Yes, and that person’s page is completely empty, totally private.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:13:41am

re: #22 Dr. Matt

I imagine under Texas law that they person being kidnapped can stand their ground.

And needless to say, women in Texas go nowhere without their guns, even to an abortion clinic.

27 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:13:43am

I’ve got a job interview I need to go to soon, so I’m going to post what I posted last night on this matter:

re: #80 Kragar

Evil mother fuckers

Indeed. Using a false front to stop a woman from getting an abortion is the act of a person without honor. It can only be called an act of treachery, imperiling the soul of the doer.

Trying to kidnap a woman this way is not an act the serves or pleases God; It is an act that serves and pleases Satan.

/Sorry about the religious angle, but it is only by that route that I can express my disgust at the depravity of such methods.

re: #107 jaunte

It’s only creepy fictional encouragement right up until someone actually does it.

No, its worse than that. It’s a wingnut version of asymmetric warfare: just the threat of this will cause some women who hear of it to decline offered transportation for fear of a trap, especially if incidents of this occurring are either documented or faked. At the same time, the threat of ‘false front’ people and electronic subterfuge forces groups favoring access to abortion to devote funds and time away from their primary mission and into security measures.

The tactic potentially hands those who devised it a two-part victory. That’s why it struck me as a thing of the Devil, because of the sick intelligence of it.

28 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:14:32am

re: #24 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, offering to take someone to an abortion clinic and then using the ride time to try and convince them otherwise might be a bit underhanded but still acceptable.

But it would also involve offering the woman other options to abortion, like offering them adoption or childcare or aid with education, finding a job or raising the child.

At that is where the “Christian concern for human life” that these a lot of these people love to share with the world abruptly ends.

Except they recommend offering a woman a ride to the abortion clinic and then driving around with her while spewing anti-abortion propaganda and then dropping her off at a church after she has missed her clinic appointment.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:15:50am

Someone on that FB page suggested that any pro-lifer who tries this should be charged with TWO counts of kidnapping.

30 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:15:55am

re: #24 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, offering to take someone to an abortion clinic and then using the ride time to try and convince them otherwise might be a bit underhanded but still acceptable.

But it would also involve offering the woman other options to abortion, like offering them adoption or childcare or aid with education, finding a job or raising the child.

At that is where the “Christian concern for human life” that these a lot of these people love to share with the world abruptly ends.

The proposed strategy is to not take them where they think you have ‘volunteered’ to go.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:16:28am

re: #22 Dr. Matt

I imagine under Texas law that the person being kidnapped can stand their ground.

That’s true in most any state. If retreat is impossible, and someone is forcing to go somewhere against your will, then the use of force (including lethal force) to prevent them from continuing to detain you is lawful.*


*:This does not apply to someone detained by law enforcement, of course.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:16:37am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, and that person’s page is completely empty, totally private.

I’m not sure that’s the right profile. The screencap shows that the “for you” is all lowercase, but in the private profile both For and You are capped.

Granted they could have been changed.

33 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:17:44am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Someone on that FB page suggested that any pro-lifer who tries this should be charged with TWO counts of kidnapping.

There might be states that have defined their ‘personhood’ laws that finely. Don’t know if any have survived the courts.

34 MomSense  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:18:48am

Right now in Texas we have massive voter disenfranchisement due to the newly implemented voting laws, armed intimidation of a 4-mom meeting about responsible gun laws, and the call to kidnap women in order to coerce their medical decisions.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:19:12am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Except they recommend offering a woman a ride to the abortion clinic and then driving around with her while spewing anti-abortion propaganda and then dropping her off at a church after she has missed her clinic appointment.

And I cannot imagine that they would actively offer to aid and abet anyone attempting to ge an abortion, even if it offered them a chance to argue against it.

But remember, to these folks, abortion is such an evil and abomination against the Lord that any means to prevent it are justified.

36 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:19:55am

re: #34 MomSense

Right now in Texas we have massive voter disenfranchisement due to the newly implemented voting laws, armed intimidation of a 4-mom meeting about responsible gun laws, and the call to kidnap women in order to coerce their medical decisions.

Everything Assholery is bigger in Texas.

37 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:22:00am

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Have a good interview DF. I’ll go light a candle for you.

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:26:21am

re: #34 MomSense

Right now in Texas we have massive voter disenfranchisement due to the newly implemented voting laws, armed intimidation of a 4-mom meeting about responsible gun laws, and the call to kidnap women in order to coerce their medical decisions.

I really think the demographic shift in Texas is fast approaching a tipping point and these events are clear signs of it. Be interesting to see how the state looks 5, 10 years from now.

39 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:29:43am

A website I don’t want to link indicates the AHA ‘abolitionist’ movement derives from a single organization founded in Norman, OK. It has as one of its strategies the shaming of organized churches for ‘slacking’ on the abortion issue. It’s considered a parachurch movement (quite anti-Catholic, unusual in the anti-abortion world).

40 MomSense  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:30:06am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

I think we are seeing an escalation of intimidation tactics because the demographics are changing and we are reaching a tipping point.

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:30:41am

re: #40 MomSense

I think we are seeing an escalation of intimidation tactics because the demographics are changing and we are reaching a tipping point.

Agreed. These people are scared because Texas as they know it is fast disappearing.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:31:23am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

A website I don’t want to link indicates the AHA ‘abolitionist’ movement derives from a single organization founded in Norman, OK. It has as one of its strategies the shaming of organized churches for ‘slacking’ on the abortion issue. It’s considered a parachurch movement (quite anti-Catholic, unusual in the anti-abortion world).

But not in the world of Pentecostal fundamentalists.

43 GunstarGreen  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:41:32am

re: #21 ObserverArt

And that is just as it should be. Thank you.

And of course, these same zealots are also the ones that support cutting SNAP budgets for things like WIC and food stamps.

I guess both stances make them feel good, yet they can’t figure out how the two stances don’t line up. I don’t understand the disconnect.

Oh, it gets even more hilarious than that.

It is not possible to be both ‘pro-life’ and ‘pro war’. If a person claims that they are ‘pro-life’, challenge them on their stance RE: the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their answer is anything other than immediate and vehement condemnation of the wars and an expression of desire for them to stop immediately? Punch them. Right in their stupid hypocritical guts. How many innocent ACTUALLY BORN people have died as a direct result of our OFFICIAL NATIONAL POLICY?

“Pro life” is a revolting farce used by cowards who don’t have the stones to say “Pro forced births”.

44 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:42:35am

Wingnuts are all having the vapors because Wendy Davis has dared to call herself “pro life”

45 Gus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:44:01am
46 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:52:43am

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Gee, I must have missed that part in the Bible where Jesus kidnapped people to force them to convert.

“Real Christians” could teach Jesus a thing or two about how the religion is supposed to work.

47 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:53:14am

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all having the vapors because Wendy Davis has dared to call herself “pro life”

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Since when do Republicans have exclusive use of the “pro life” label?

48 Slap  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:55:10am

re: #23 A Mom Anon

godbothering shitmuffins.

This belongs in a dictionary. Brilliant phrase!

Kudos! I’ll be smiling all day….

49 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:58:43am

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Since when do Republicans have exclusive use of the “pro life” label?

They think they do which is pretty rich coming from the party that had people shout LET HIM DIE or the party that cheerleads for the Death Penalty.

50 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:59:53am

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

51 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:01:06am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

PRO-FETUS
PRO WOMAN-AS-INCUBATOR

52 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:01:12am

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all having the vapors because Wendy Davis has dared to call herself “pro life”

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That’s brilliant—she is going to own that narrative going into the gov’s race.

We are pro-life because we are pro-choice.

53 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:02:03am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

anti-choice I think is the template and I think it sums it up. I still like pro choice likewise for being okay with legalized abortion.

54 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:02:42am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

That’s brilliant—she is going to own that narrative going into the gov’s race.

We are pro-life because we are pro-choice.

It’s the smart move. Someone needs to challenge them on that phrasing and I think Davis is the perfect person to do so.

55 steve_davis  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:03:01am

re: #23 A Mom Anon

OK,I have to get ready to take the dog to the vet. Hopefully she’ll get a health clearance. She ended up with a staph infection in her skin from an allergic reaction via incessant scratching. She took her last dose of antibiotics yesterday,so paws crossed she’s over this crap.

As for these antiabortion nutbars, it’s only a matter of time before there’s another line crossed and another doctor, clinic worker or patient is hurt or killed by these godbothering shitmuffins. I hope someone finds out who these FB freaks are and this plan of theirs is exposed for what it is: Intimidation and zealotry behind a thin veneer of “saving babies”. You want to save babies? Lobby for poor mothers to get proper healthcare.

Be careful. There may be a group out there that will volunteer to take your dog to the vet, but they’re really planning on just keeping her in the car to try to get her to become a cat.

56 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:03:12am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

That’s brilliant—she is going to own that narrative going into the gov’s race.

We are pro-life because we are pro-choice.

Also, wingnuts have this meme—it’s so breathtakingly stupid I just can’t even—that a “liberal woman” will carry a pregnancy up until the day before delivery and then have an abortion just for teh lulz.

57 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:04:06am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Also, wingnuts have this meme—it’s so breathtakingly stupid I just can’t even—that a “liberal woman” will carry a pregnancy up until the day before delivery and then have an abortion just for teh lulz.

Well they also think we reek of patchouli and listen to the Dead all day too.*
*Not that there’s anything wrong with patchouli or the Dead.

58 Dr. Matt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:04:36am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

Pro-Not-Allowing-Women-To-Make-Their-Own-Choices.

Too much?

59 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:05:26am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

anti-choice I think is the template and I think it sums it up. I still like pro choice likewise for being okay with legalized abortion.

Except that it is not always a choice. A woman in a life-threatening situation does not have a “choice.” Also, when these conditions do become life-threatening (G-D FORBID) the situation can deteriorate rapidly, and having to jump through legal hoops (“if the mother’s life is threatened yada yada”) can actually cause the death of the mother, and also the fetus.

60 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:05:32am

re: #58 Dr. Matt

Pro-Not-Allowing-Women-To-Make-Their-Own-Choices.

Too much?

In otherwords, anti-choice.

61 GunstarGreen  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:07:32am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

“Scum” will suffice.

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:10:08am

Another example of ANTI-CHOICE is the position of some Libertarian dudebros, that certain classes of pregnant women (such as: Teh Poors) should be forced to abort.

Granted this position is less popular than it was back in the day when “undesirables” were forcibly sterilized against their will, but once in a while it still comes up on Teh Twitters.

63 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:11:34am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Except that it is not always a choice. A woman in a life-threatening situation does not have a “choice.” Also, when these conditions do become life-threatening (G-D FORBID) the situation can deteriorate rapidly, and having to jump through legal hoops (“if the mother’s life is threatened yada yada”) can actually cause the death of the mother, and also the fetus.

True, true. Excellent point. I do like reclaiming pro-life from them too for that exact reason.

64 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:12:08am

Holy crap.

Enraged Musician Kills Bandmates Before Shooting Self, Sources Say

dnainfo.com

There’s more on this story in the Post link.

65 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:12:58am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

Another example of ANTI-CHOICE is the position of some Libertarian dudebros, that certain classes of pregnant women (such as: Teh Poors) should be forced to abort.

Granted this position is less popular than it was back in the day when “undesirables” were forcibly sterilized against their will, but once in a while it still comes up on Teh Twitters.

Yeah, the whole eugenics argument because dudebros.

66 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:13:28am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

Holy crap.

Enraged Musician Kills Bandmates Before Shooting Self, Sources Say

dnainfo.com

There’s more on this story in the Post link.

That’s pretty messed up. Getting thrown out of a band should be pretty low on the list of reasons to shoot people.

67 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:14:05am

re: #43 GunstarGreen

Oh, it gets even more hilarious than that.

It is not possible to be both ‘pro-life’ and ‘pro war’. If a person claims that they are ‘pro-life’, challenge them on their stance RE: the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their answer is anything other than immediate and vehement condemnation of the wars and an expression of desire for them to stop immediately? Punch them. Right in their stupid hypocritical guts. How many innocent ACTUALLY BORN people have died as a direct result of our OFFICIAL NATIONAL POLICY?

“Pro life” is a revolting farce used by cowards who don’t have the stones to say “Pro forced births”.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly! But I think even this can be explained by my simple statement I used in my original post you quoted. It is all about them feeling good about themselves. They simply justify wars and death as a way for godly men to keep down the infidels that present a danger to them and their religion and their version of freedom for them (maybe not for you or anyone else). And then it gets back to my point which can be used to explain a lot. They really do not care about protecting births or life or anything. They care that they can feel good about themselves in the context of their religion. I guess everything else falls under that big excuse of ‘gods will’ or something.

One big fault about much of the fundamentalists thinking is they just don’t think. And isn’t that fun in that it fits with the other topic going this morning here at LizardLand…schools!

Another mind bender. They say no one should stand in the way of gods will when it comes to abortion. Yet, how do they feel about in vitro fertilization. That one covers two topics that should make any fundamentalist pause. One, gods will would not have made it possible for some women to get pregnant and have births. Two, science comes along and helps make birth possible for women previously incapable of it. How do they explain that? You guessed it…science bad unless it allows them to feel good about themselves!

Now my head hurts! Too much insanity these days for a simple man that just likes to use his brain and finds fewer places to practice it these days. At least I can express some of it here. Thankfully.

68 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:18:22am

I’ll take the “pro-lifers” seriously when they start supporting sex-ed problems that are realistic, support programs that help impoverished mothers, etc. Until then it’s Pro-then you’re born-and now you’re on your own you parasite.

69 MomSense  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:19:14am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

A Mom Anon had a perfect one with godbothering shitmuffins.

70 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:23:24am
71 TBPlayer  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:30:08am

There’s a play by Jane Martin, called Keeley and Du, about anti-abortion activists who literally kidnap a woman who is going to have an abortion to force her to bring the fetus to term. I’ve read it, but haven’t seen a production.

Just FYI, Jane Martin is a nom de plume, and no one knows for sure who she is, although there is much speculation that “she” is Jon Jory, former artistic director of Actors Theatre of Louisville (many of her plays premiered at ATL). She/he is a terrific writer who should be better known.

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:31:40am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

We need another word for “anti-abortion”, something less misleading than “pro life”.

I tend to say Pro-Birth or Pro-Forced-Birth because, really, almost none of them give a rats ass about after the baby is born and would rather it crawled off somewhere and died without bothering their precious wallets any.

73 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:37:32am

It’s only a matter of time until some Zealot Group burns a woman at the state in the US.

It’s futile to resist the Brave New World, but Obama is an dictator

74 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:39:36am

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

It’s only a matter of time until some Zealot Group burns a woman at the state stake in the US.

It’s futile to resist the Brave New World, but Obama is an dictator

Fixed.

75 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:42:18am

I remember this day. We had a little, very little, B&W TV, I was 4.

Sesame Street debuted today in 1969! Joan Ganz Cooney co-founded the Children’s Television Workshop (now Sesame Workshop), the organization behind the show, in 1968. Cooney oversaw the creation of Sesame Street, becoming one of the first female executives in American television! #WomenInTelevision

76 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:43:50am

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

It’s only a matter of time until some Zealot Group burns a woman at the state in the US.

It’s futile to resist the Brave New World, but Obama is an dictator

Yeah, I’m afraid of that happening. Bad enough that doctors who perform abortions are targeted. I always used to cringe when my neighbrhood friends who went to Catholic school used to brag about getting the day off of class to protest Roe and how they’d harass people who worked at or were going into the clinic. That just horrified me. This was the late 90’s so it wasn’t long after prominent murders of people like Dr. Slepian and others. And then hearing about these groups that would actually help the murderers. That’s part of why I’m pro-choice to this day.

77 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:47:14am

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

And another woman is an Executive Producer at PBS and she is very well known for Masterpiece Theater, Rebecca Eaton. en.wikipedia.org

78 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:48:36am
79 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:49:16am

The President is making me choke up telling the story of WW2 vet Richard Overton.

Damn. Tell me he doesn’t care about vets. Sniff.

80 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:51:54am

Anatomy of the War on Women: How the Koch Brothers are Funding the Anti-Choice Agenda

“So whether we’re going backwards with the ‘war on women,’ whether we’re going backwards with workers’ rights, or backwards with voting rights,” Turner said, “if you look at what is happening across this nation, we are not progressing; we’re regressing.”

The Republican right, on the other hand, comprises mostly white, married people who appear to be motivated by the fear of the change in family structures wrought by the feminist and gay rights movements, and the emerging political power of non-white people paved by the civil rights movement.

Members of the Koch network are primarily motivated by a quest to eliminate worker, consumer and environmental protections in the interest of reaping even greater profits for their businesses. In order to accrue power in the electoral arena, however, they’re apparently all too eager to feed the fears of white social conservatives — including the fear of government intrusion — who can be counted on to vote against liberals.

also paged

81 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:53:45am

re: #79 ObserverArt

The President is making me choke up telling the story of WW2 vet Richard Overton.

Damn. Tell me he doesn’t care about vets. Sniff.

POTUS doesn’t froth the American Exceptionalism Shining City on the HIll Myth —therefore he is the anti-christ.

82 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:58:43am

President Obama’s remarks today on Veterans day were very inspiring and
moving this morning. Since 1938 we have honored our Vets with this day.
It’s hard to imagine why Obama is painted as anti-military. He has done his damnest to get us out of stupid pointless unwinnable wars in the ME.
Some on the right act like these wars should go on forever with no goals in sight. How much blood and treasure should America give to this fools errand? Bring our Boys and girls home Mr. President, There is nothing more to be gained at this point.

83 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:59:23am

OT, but the MPAAhas released their rating and summary for “The Day of the Doctor.”

This is causing a few questions.

Themes-Mild Impact (Ok, makes sense. Doctor Who can sometimes be violent, and death is an onmi-present thing in the show as well.)

Violence-Mild Impact (No Shit, Sherlock)

Sex- Very Mild Impact (Huh!?! This is new. Which two are the “participants?” We have 3 Doctors, 2 Companions, and Queen Elizabeth I. Who decided to take their relationship to the next level?)

84 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:00:41am

Anyone know Reddit? Can you find this original (alledged) post with the picture?

Yesterday, a user on Reddit shared this image along with the description below. And we just had to share it with you:

“Heading home on the Q train yesterday when this young African American guy nods off on the shoulder of a Jewish man. The man doesn’t move a muscle, just lets him stay there. After a minute, I asked the man if he wanted me to wake the kid up, but he shook his head and responded, ‘He must have had a long day, let him sleep. We’ve all been there, right?’

He was still sleeping soundly when I got off the train 20 minutes later.

It was a small gesture, but a kind one. I love New Yorkers!”

What a wonderful reminder that every moment is a chance to do something good for another person. And not only that, but inspire the others around us with our small but powerful actions.

85 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:01:17am

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

Anyone know Reddit? Can you find this original (alledged) post with the picture?

86 Mattand  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:02:43am

Apologies if someone pointed this out already.

To circle back to the 60 Minutes/OMG BENGHAZZZZZZZZZZI fuck up for a minute; turns out that the guy who now runs CBS News used to be a Fox News bigwig:

First, the president of CBS News is one David Rhodes, who spent twelve years at Fox News before coming over to the Eye network in 2008. As Greg Mitchell at The Nation points out, Rhodes was working his way up through Roger Ailes’ evil empire during the years when it was calling the 2000 election for George W. Bush, cheerleading for the Iraq War, and just ramping up its full-on panic over Barack Obama’s plans to get elected president and turn the country into a communist paradise. Sounds like a fun guy!

Second, Digby over at Hullabaloo reminds us that Logan has been filling the Judith Miller role at CBS quite nicely for some time. Last year just after the Benghazi attack, old Chipmunk Cheeks gave a speech to something called the Better Government Association, during which she made such charming observations as

The last time we were attacked like this was the USS Cole which was a prelude to 9/11. And you’re sending in the FBI to investigate? I hope to God that you are sending in your best clandestine warriors to exact revenge and let the world know that the United States will not be attacked on its own soil, its ambassadors will not be murdered and the United States will not stand by and do nothing about it.

That explains a lot.

87 piratedan  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:03:00am

re: #82 HoosierHoops

he’s a doer, not a talker. For some reason, there’s still a significant number that actually believes that the GOP has the military’s best interest at heart and when you actually look at who has voted for what it’s apparent that the majority of the GOP treats the military as if they’re nothing more than cannon fodder. They slash benefits at the drop of a hat, keeping the strain on the national guard units versus expanding the Army/Navy/Marines/Air Force accordingly. Big on defense contractors but little on the actual personnel themselves.

although I do say that the GOP is great on optics…. per usual.

88 Mattand  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:05:51am

re: #82 HoosierHoops

President Obama’s remarks today on Veterans day were very inspiring and
moving this morning. Since 1938 we have honored our Vets with this day.
It’s hard to imagine why Obama is painted as anti-military.

Simple: he’s black with a Muslim-sounding name. It hits the mandatory conservative nerve clusters of racism and panic like a F5 tornado.

89 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:10:18am

re: #21 ObserverArt

And that is just as it should be. Thank you.

And of course, these same zealots are also the ones that support cutting SNAP budgets for things like WIC and food stamps.

I guess both stances make them feel good, yet they can’t figure out how the two stances don’t line up. I don’t understand the disconnect.

It’s easy to understand the disconnect. In these people’s minds both abortion and supporting the poor are evil things. Therefore opposing them is good.

It’s that simple, and much easier than thinking.

90 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:10:48am

A Kiddush Hashem Goes Viral

The subway rider who let a stranger nap on his shoulder and unwittingly became an Internet sensation

tabletmag.com

Shalom, Mr. Theil.

91 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:12:02am

I, personally, would not allow someone sitting next to me on a public transportation, to use my shoulder for a pillow.

Does that make me a bad person?

92 Mattand  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:14:05am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

I, personally, would not allow someone sitting next to me on a public transportation, to use my shoulder for a pillow.

Does that make me a bad person?

Yes.

Yes, it does.

94 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:15:21am

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

That’s nothing..When the Government sent 300 of us to Hawaii, I flew with 2 smoking hot girls and we got really drunk before boarding the plane and I sat between the 2 while they passed out on each shoulder of mine.
Boy did I get the looks for hours on the flight to Hawaii.
I didn’t wake them till we were approaching the island. The Pilot pointed out a nuclear sub heading to Pearl. Hey girls! there is our sub coming in for us to rework. 3 years later we flew home, I’m wearing a swimsuit and tee-shirt and flip-flops being a changed man by the Islands.

95 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:15:23am

re: #92 Mattand

Yes.

Yes, it does.

I am Vicious.

96 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:16:26am

re: #83 ProTARDISLiberal

I should note that the British raters didn’t give it any issues for sex.

However, they did ding it for language, as a character does say “Oh my God” once.

Wonder what would be risky enough for the US to make note, but not risky enough for the UK to not make note of it.

97 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:18:33am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

I, personally, would not allow someone sitting next to me on a public transportation, to use my shoulder for a pillow.

Does that make me a bad person?

As I understand it, you’re so short you’d just be saving someone from a serious crick in the neck.

98 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:20:00am

re: #97 wrenchwench

As I understand it, you’re so short you’d just be saving someone from a serious crick in the neck.

Unless it was a kid.

99 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:20:01am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

Another example of ANTI-CHOICE is the position of some Libertarian dudebros, that certain classes of pregnant women (such as: Teh Poors) should be forced to abort.

Granted this position is less popular than it was back in the day when “undesirables” were forcibly sterilized against their will, but once in a while it still comes up on Teh Twitters.

If I were the dudebros I’d think carefully about that stance. After all the most famous proponent of eugenics, whose name I won’t mention because Godwin, would deem them ‘undesirables.’

I don’t doubt that any followers of the Godwin person would feel the same.

This brings up the essential difference between a wise person and a fanatic. A fanatic’s proposals never affect the fanatic except in a positive manner. Any negative shit gets piled on ‘the other.’

A wise person knows there is no ‘other.’

100 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:21:34am

What? True or False of the day.

101 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:21:57am
102 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:21:59am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

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You are a goddess

103 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:22:48am

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

You are a goddess

:)

104 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:22:54am

It really would be interesting to know who the principals in this “regional oil company” are.

Eastern Libya forms regional oil company

hosted.ap.org

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of them were Saudis and Big Oil types.

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — The leaders of a movement for self-rule in oil-rich in eastern Libya say they have formed a regional oil company to handle its sales of crude, in one of the most serious challenges yet to the central government.

“The movement had already set up a shadow government, complaining of central authorities neglect. Along with local tribes demanding better pay and more political rights, it has effectively halted exports from the region’s main oil terminals since summer, blocking a critical government revenue source.

“Prime Minister Ali Zidan had said the groups must stop their blockade by Nov. 20, but didn’t speak of any consequences.”

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:22:56am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

I, personally, would not allow someone sitting next to me on a public transportation, to use my shoulder for a pillow.

Does that make me a bad person?

eh, what if it were a child?

106 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:23:59am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

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This story drives me nuts.

107 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:24:22am

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

eh, what if it were a child?

I guess.

108 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:24:49am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

This story drives me nuts.

I think it’s bullshit.

109 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:26:13am

re: #107 Vicious Babushka

I guess.

I’d probably not do anything, as long as it was only their head and no further cuddling attempts were made.

Unless they were on an end seat and could otherwise lead their head against a wall or window—they maybe I’d shift them.

I tend to see most people as kids these days … .

110 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:28:32am
BREAKING:
———-
If you live in FAIRFAX COUNTY, Virginia:

If you voted with a provisional ballot, you have until 1:00pm tomorrow — a little more than 24 hours — to appear IN PERSON before the Board of Elections. If you do not appear in person, your ballot WILL NOT BE COUNTED.

The Elections Board *is* open today, Veterans Day, from 10am to 4pm. It will be open tomorrow, Tuesday, from 11am to 1pm.

12000 Government Center Parkway — Room 323
Fairfax, VA

When you enter the building, look for a table staffed by the Democratic party: They have an attorney present who will walk you through the procedures before you go upstairs.

The election for Attorney General is so very close, and the Republicans changed the vote-counting rules *after* the election.

Please SHARE THIS INFORMATION WIDELY. Thank you.

no link provided on my fb

111 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:28:33am

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

I’d probably not do anything, as long as it was only their head and no further cuddling attempts were made.

Unless they were on an end seat and could otherwise lead their head against a wall or window—they maybe I’d shift them.

I tend to see most people as kids these days … .

I don’t ride the bus or the subway, because DETROIT! but I really, really don’t like anybody getting in my personal space.

That especially goes for an airplane seat that I paid for.

112 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:29:46am

Then there is this shit.

113 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:30:54am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

I don’t ride the bus or the subway, because DETROIT! but I really, really don’t like anybody getting in my personal space.

That especially goes for an airplane seat that I paid for.

I avoid public transportation too! for the Same reason. Friends want to take the train into the city and I’ll offer to drive. Why? they ask ..BECAUSE I GREW-UP IN DETROIT.

Strangely, one of my best friends from the old neighborhood takes the train everywhere when she travels.

114 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:31:15am

Have the gun nuts explained why they just all happened to get together with ALL THERE GUNZ to pose for a group photo in some random parking lot?

115 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

Have the gun nuts explained why they just all happened to get together with ALL THERE GUNZ to pose for a group photo in some random parking lot?

to protest some mom’s safety group supposedly. Which is batshit stupid,IMHO.

116 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:33:39am

re: #113 FemNaziBitch

I avoid public transportation too! for the Same reason. Friends want to take the train into the city and I’ll offer to drive. Why? they ask ..BECAUSE I GREW-UP IN DETROIT.

Strangely, one of my best friends from the old neighborhood takes the train everywhere when she travels.

There are no trains in Detroit. And to show you how fucked up public transportation is, DDOT (Detroit Dept. of Transportation) buses are not allowed to take passengers to the suburbs, and SMART buses are not allowed to pick up passengers inside the Detroit city limits.

When I worked at SMART 20 years ago, I got free bus passes for my whole family to ride wherever we wanted and you know what? WE NEVER USED THEM.

117 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:34:07am

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

re: #113 FemNaziBitch

I use public transit because that is the only way I can get around. I am usually reading a book on my Kindle. Most folks stay away from me because I give them a scowl.

118 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:34:39am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

There are no trains in Detroit. And to show you how fucked up public transportation is, DDOT (Detroit Dept. of Transportation) buses are not allowed to take passengers to the suburbs, and SMART buses are not allowed to pick up passengers inside the Detroit city limits.

When I worked at SMART 20 years ago, I got free bus passes for my whole family to ride wherever we wanted and you know what? WE NEVER USED THEM.

I know there are no trains. (I did hear something about a monorail in the ‘80’s). Anyway, from Europe, New York and Chicago, my friend has no fear of trains.

119 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:34:52am

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

I use public transit because that is the only way I can get around. I am usually reading a book on my Kindle. Most folks stay away from me because I give them a scowl.

Eat a sandwich with lots of garlic and spicy meatballs.

120 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:35:55am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

That will work too. Problem is you cannot eat on public transit.

121 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:36:20am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

I know there are no trains. (I did hear something about a monorail in the ‘80’s). Anyway, from Europe, New York and Chicago, my friend has no fear of trains.

HAHA the “People Mover” a relic of the old Coleman Young regime. It moved past so many abandoned buildings that the city had to create “Potemkin offices” all along the “People Mover” route.

122 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:37:43am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

HAHA the “People Mover” a relic of the old Coleman Young regime. It moved past so many abandoned buildings that the city had to create “Potemkin offices” all along the “People Mover” route.

oh, they got it moving? Last I heard it was built without any flex in the supports and wasn’t safe to run… .

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:38:45am

re: #110 FemNaziBitch


Only thing I can find that says anything like that is from Daily Kos

dailykos.com

124 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:38:47am

sinuses are so fucked-up. Everytime I move my jaw, I hear it in my right ear.

Now, the jaw on that side is majorly fucked-up as well, I just don’t usually hear about it.

I’m so burned-out on allergy meds right now.

125 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:39:00am

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

oh, they got it moving? Last I heard it was built without any flex in the supports and wasn’t safe to run… .

Some stations are closed but it is still running.

126 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:39:10am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only thing I can find that says anything like that is from Daily Kos

dailykos.com

You are also a goddess!

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:39:58am

re: #126 FemNaziBitch

You are also a goddess!

Kos links to a Washington Post article about it.

128 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:40:49am

Isn’t this cool! I tried it on old grubby t-shirts from hubby and it’s not as easy as it looks.

I made toddler jammie pants from the results. (for the shelter).

I’ve run out of old t-shirts, hubby is getting scared.

129 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:41:12am

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

Same here. I take Benadryl and a Coke chaser. Thank G-d it is Veteran’s Day and I have the day off.

130 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:47:08am

This looks easy enough

131 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:47:53am

re: #129 PhillyPretzel

Same here. I take Benadryl and a Coke chaser. Thank G-d it is Veteran’s Day and I have the day off.

Mucinex-D, antihistime, fresh coffee with cream and sugar. Hot shower letting water beat on my head for 20 minutes.

132 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:50:04am

Hola Lizards! The job hunt continues apace. I just scored an interview for next week with a business intel software company. Now I just need to give myself a crash course in their products. Heh.

Also, these anti-choice zealots are assholes, but we knew that already. I’m not surprised they’re advocating committing a felony for the cause.

133 grape_crush  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:51:37am

What’s even more sad and wrong about this is that even the threat of this happening will dissuade women from seeking help from organizations that support their reproductive rights.

134 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:55:44am
135 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:56:34am

re: #133 grape_crush

Welcome, hatchling.

136 Archangelus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:02:50am
Should the FBI become involved?

Hell. YES.

137 grape_crush  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:03:50am

re: #135 wrenchwench

Longtime lurker, first-time commenter here…but nowhere near ‘new’.

Much thanks for the greeting, ‘tho!

And the PeopleMover is still operational, the price per ride is now seventy-five cents (vs. fifty) and it’s still a good way to park in Greektown and get to the Joe for a Wings game rather than hunt for a closer parking spot and fight traffic.

138 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:04:56am

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Wonkette makes up by rerunning its Vonnegut ‘Armistice Day’ tradition:

wonkette.com

139 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:06:21am

It must be a slow news day for the AP. I found this story about a knish factory fire. news.yahoo.com

140 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:12:03am
141 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:14:11am

Vicious Babushka,

“Should the FBI become involved?”

I think they should. These people, while perhaps not technically advocating kidnapping are advocating deceit. When I think of kidnapping I think of being forced to go somewhere with someone against your will. However, I could easily imagine it coming to that, since It doesn’t sound like these people have a lot of respect for the law.

142 chadu  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:17:43am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Wonkette makes up by rerunning its Vonnegut ‘Armistice Day’ tradition:

wonkette.com

Roses are red
And ready for plucking
You’re sixteen
And ready for high school.

God Bless Uncle Kurt.

143 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:18:37am

re: #140 Lidane

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How humbling for that man to get a standing ovation from the President of the United States.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:20:52am

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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Gives some of the Dudebros woodies.

145 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:22:14am

Interesting story about a possible race in 2016. littlegreenfootballs.com

146 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:22:39am

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, there’s always some tacky asshole who does that. Their right as you say but pretty distasteful.

147 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:22:53am

Sigh. So dismayed by all the images coming out of the Philippines. Lots of the rescue personnel are saying huge areas are totally quiet… no calls on radio for help whatsoever. Horrible.

And then we have this bullshit from freaks here at home. Geez.

Happy Monday!

148 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #145 PhillyPretzel

Interesting story about a possible race in 2016. littlegreenfootballs.com

I like Warren but I’m not sure if she’s presidential material but then again if you had told me Barack Obama would be president in November 2005. I would shrug you off. I do prefer Warren to Clinton though. I think the Dems have a lot of good choices to choose from in 2016.

149 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:28:01am

vpap.org
OT but this is like the closest race I have ever seen. 17 votes. That’s less than me, my brothers, and my first cousins and their spouses.

150 blueraven  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:29:11am

re: #141 CriticalDragon1177

Vicious Babushka,

“Should the FBI become involved?”

I think they should. These people, while perhaps not technically advocating kidnapping are advocating deceit. When I think of kidnapping I think of being forced to go somewhere with someone against your will. However, I could easily imagine it coming to that, since It doesn’t sound like these people have a lot of respect for the law.

If someone takes you to a church after they offer to take you to your appointment, that is against your will. That is kidnapping in my book.
It is luring one into a car with the express purpose to take away that person’s freedom of choice.

Maybe not kidnapping in the traditional sense of collecting a ransom, or to do great physical harm, but kidnapping nonetheless.

151 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:33:32am

It’s probably just me… but anyone else using Chrome and Ghostery? When I click into a thread and hit Jump to bottom, it pushes me back one page. And the quote/reply buttons do nothing as well.

152 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:35:28am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I think the Dems have a lot of good choices to choose from in 2016.

Names? Other than Clinton and Biden, who is there?

153 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:37:02am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

. And the quote/reply buttons do nothing as well.

Funny. That happened to me yesterday on a Mac using Firefox. I still haven’t figured out what’s wrong with that one machine, because the rest of mine work fine.

154 Dr. Matt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:37:04am

re: #152 Skip Intro

Names? Other than Clinton and Biden, who is there?

The media will let us know.

/es

155 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:38:51am

bbl

156 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:39:05am

re: #154 Dr. Matt

The media will let us know.

/es

I should rephrase that to “who is known nationally who is less than 70 years old?”.

157 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:39:33am

re: #152 Skip Intro

Names? Other than Clinton and Biden, who is there?

I’ve been hearing rumblings about O’Malley of Maryland, Cuomo in New York(though I think he would not run if Hillary does), or perhaps Schweitzer of Montana. Of those, I personally like O’Malley the best. He’s done a nice job in Maryland and actually did better in 2010 than eh did during his first election and he wasn’t running against a teabagger fanatic.

158 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:40:06am

re: #156 Skip Intro

I should rephrase that to “who is known nationally who is less than 70 years old?”.

Oops disregard my 157 then.

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:41:52am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s probably just me… but anyone else using Chrome and Ghostery? When I click into a thread and hit Jump to bottom, it pushes me back one page. And the quote/reply buttons do nothing as well.

This means that Javascript is not working, because those buttons call Javascript functions. You probably have Ghostery set so that it’s blocking a script LGF needs - try disabling Ghostery and see if it works.

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:42:51am

cuteness break: Baby Blue Tree Frog

Image: 1459989_441632672610066_226829164_n.jpg

161 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:43:38am

re: #151 GlutenFreeJesus

I believe Ghostery has a “whitelist” feature - try adding littlegreenfootballs.com to the whitelist.

162 piratedan  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:43:53am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard Gillebrand’s name floated on occaision

163 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:44:27am

re: #162 piratedan

I’ve heard Gillebrand’s name floated on occaision

Me too. I like her quite a bit honestly.

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:44:42am

re: #152 Skip Intro

Names? Other than Clinton and Biden, who is there?

The former senator from Wisconsin Feingold, Senator Warren of Massachusetts, Senator Baldwin of Wisconsin all would be good, though all are probably too far to the left to win the General. OTOH, Feingold could pull his humor campaign out again and that smiley happy attitude might cover for him the way Reagan’s “aw shucks” pretense covered up his reality.

165 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:44:51am

re: #153 Skip Intro

Funny. That happened to me yesterday on a Mac using Firefox. I still haven’t figured out what’s wrong with that one machine, because the rest of mine work fine.

A Firefox add-on that often causes problems with LGF is NoScript. But Firefox is also very buggy, and occasionally its Javascript engine just decides to stop working.

166 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:45:36am

Trying to think who all is in the Republic stable?
Jeb Bush?
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Rand Paul
uh Mitch Daniels?

167 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:46:14am

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

The former senator from Wisconsin Feingold, Senator Warren of Massachusetts, Senator Baldwin of Wisconsin all would be good.

Yeah Feingold should run. I was really disappointed that he got beaten for re-election and by a fanatical dickwad too.

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:50:20am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Trying to think who all is in the Republic stable?
Jeb Bush?
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Rand Paul
uh Mitch Daniels?

Newt will give it another shot, just so he can sell more books and videos.

169 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Newt will give it another shot, just so he can sell more books and videos.

Oh god, I hope not. There’s not enough gas in the universe to contain the pompousness of that gasbag.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:52:24am

I know there are some Jim Wright fans here, he’s got a Veteran’s Day column up at Stonekettle Station.

stonekettle.com

171 KiTA  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:56:36am

Isn’t this kidnapping? Or is the legal definition of kidnapping stringent enough that they’re clean?

Not that you could EVER get a bunch of Christian cultists arrested for kidnapping in this country, especially Texas.

Hell, they could drive these women off into the woods and lock them up for 9 months and their only consequence would be getting a TV show on Fox News.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:58:06am

re: #171 KiTA

Isn’t this kidnapping? Or is the legal definition of kidnapping stringent enough that they’re clean?

Not that you could EVER get a bunch of Christian cultists arrested for kidnapping in this country, especially Texas.

Hell, they could drive these women off into the woods and lock them up for 9 months and their only consequence would be getting a TV show on Fox News.

Or a reality show…
/

173 blueraven  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:58:52am

For those following VA AG race

174 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 10:59:28am

re: #173 blueraven

For those following VA AG race

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Yeah! Come on Herring.

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:00:41am

Good afternoon Lizards from blustery Chicago (well, southern suburbs thereof.)

Out this way for a 5-day training class and my main observation is that industrial park settings everywhere look the same. Trees in California might be a different species, but otherwise pretty much blah.

Weather supposed to get a bit ugly this afternoon with rain, dropping temp, and possibly some non-accumulating snow. Sort of glad I’m walking and not trying to drive in this.

176 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:13:52am

Caribou Barbie finds something to compare to “Slavery” that isn’t Obamacare

177 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:21:26am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

Caribou Barbie finds something to compare to “Slavery” that isn’t Obamacare

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I really wish the media would stop giving her a platform. Someone should be like Sarah, hey your 15 minutes of fame ended years ago, get the hell outta here.

178 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:47:20am
179 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:23:07pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I believe Ghostery has a “whitelist” feature - try adding littlegreenfootballs.com to the whitelist.

Yup… I knew it had to do with the lil blue fella. Thanks Charles! :)

180 thecommodore  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:57:06pm

This message was actually posted to Abolish Human Abortion’s FB page by another group called “Praying for you,” but it has been deleted by AHA.

That said, this logo of Abolish Human Abortion is downright creepy:

Image: 216976_395908223808531_233174077_n.jpg

181 thecommodore  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:05:10pm

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

The former senator from Wisconsin Feingold, Senator Warren of Massachusetts, Senator Baldwin of Wisconsin all would be good, though all are probably too far to the left to win the General. OTOH, Feingold could pull his humor campaign out again and that smiley happy attitude might cover for him the way Reagan’s “aw shucks” pretense covered up his reality.

I think Clinton (if she runs) will be very difficult to beat, and many of the other people may sit this one out. Of course, that’s what was said in 2008, but you can bet Hillary will be determined to never, ever let that happen again.

The only thing that will keep her out of the race, I think, is her age. She will be 69 in 2016. It could very well be like 2000, when Gore was pretty much corinated, and Bill Bradley and one other person made token campaigns in the primary. I’m not particularly a fan of hers or the Clintons, mainly because they both continued the drift of the Democratic Party into being nothing but a sane corporatist version of the GOP. I’d love to see some good progressives run like the people mentioned above (Feingold, Warren, et al), but I can’t really see them getting much traction, especially against Hillary.

182 Sherlock Hound  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:14:58pm

re: #6 darthstar

I’ve always wanted to meet someone holding a fetus sign. Just so I can quote Nietchze at them. “I’ll bet those poor baby fetuses look into you and say ‘You’re creeping us out!


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