Sarah Palin’s Word Salad of the Day

Palin achieves peak incoherence
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Sarah Palin is on a media tour to promote her silly book about a nonexistent “War on Christmas,” and today the blithering half-governor appeared on the Today show with a tasty new right wing word salad, achieving (not for the first time) total incoherence.

The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America that certainly does need more help so that there’s more competition, there’s less tort reform threat, there’s less, um, trajectory of the cost increases, and those plans have been proposed over and over again. And what thwarts those plans, it’s the far left, it’s President Obama and his supporters who will not allow the Republicans to usher in free market, patient-centered, doctor patient relationship links to reform health care.

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Uh, you know, when you stand in the middle of the road you’re gonna get hit on both sides of the road. We need to take a stand especially on this Obamacare, and support those who are just fulfilling their campaign promises, SO many politicians ran for reelection and for election saying they will do anything in their power to defund the status [sic] socialized medicine program called Obamacare. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, some of these guys actually were fulfilling their campaign promises and they asked for debate. That’s why they stood up, they took the stand, fought for us, to debate the issue of Obamacare.

Wha?

Speaking of apologies, has John McCain ever apologized for bringing this absolute moron into the right wing limelight?

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280 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:51:28pm

Yeah, because her way worked soooo well before ACA.

2 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:52:17pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, because her way worked soooo well before ACA.

Worse than that, the ACA actually IS ‘those plans that were talked about over all those years’.

3 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:52:50pm

But she promised pot in every moose. Oh wait!
//

4 piratedan  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:54:32pm

well that is so like the pot calling the kettle a fish riding a bicycle! ////

5 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:54:56pm

re: #3 Feline Fearless Leader

But she promised pot in every moose. Oh wait!
//

Maybe it was pot in every mousse?

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:56:24pm

Ho, he hasn’t ever apologized. To the contrary, he keeps on defending the selection of Palin. Really her whole deluded fantasy that ACA is going to mean the end of free enterprise is an absolute joke. I really wish the media would stop treating her as if she’s a reasonable voice in the conversation, she’s not and she has never been. She’s a quitter who quit on her state the minute she saw the money that came with being a right wing folk hero. As much as I despise Bachmann and those like her, I have more grudging respect for them because at least they stand office and risk losing political power but Palin just spits and spits.

7 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:58:39pm
8 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:58:52pm

Can you take that salad back to the kitchen and tell them to cut back on the derp? I’m trying to watch my figure.

9 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:59:20pm

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

10 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:00:21pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

Authentic frontier gibberish except Gabby Johnson was likable.

11 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:00:53pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

Needs some lessons from Christopher Walken on proper diction.

12 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #11 Feline Fearless Leader

Needs some lessons from Christopher Walken on proper diction.

And more cow bell.

13 bubba zanetti  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:03:11pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

Maybe it was pot in every mousse?

So a pot de crème then?

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:03:38pm

re: #2 GeneJockey

Worse than that, the ACA actually IS ‘those plans that were talked about over all those years’.

Well, I was thinking more about the free markets! she keeps blathering about, and how well that worked in keeping costs from rising.

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:03:46pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

And more cow bell.

Is cowbell like dakka in that there is never enough? (I’d settle for enough cowbell to drown out Sarah as “sufficient” though.)

16 geoffm33  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:03:51pm
so that there’s more competition, there’s less tort reform threat, there’s less, um, trajectory of the cost increases,

Might just be nitpicking here, but can you actually have less or more trajectory? Trajectory is just the path that the cost increases are following. Less path?

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:04:28pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

and she can rarely pronounce the random words she chooses to emphasize.

18 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:05:24pm

Times like these I’d like to be a journalist just so I can ask Sarah or one of the “true believers” to just level with me as to what Republicans propose as an alternative to the ACA. Not talking points, but an actual plan. Show us the numbers that support this idea that there is some way to ensure tens of millions of uninsured Americans can have affordable access without screwing them over in the process.

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:05:40pm

Should ask her what she thinks about FDA sanctioned torte reform to cut out trans-fats.
/// :p

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:05:48pm

re: #16 geoffm33

Might just be nitpicking here, but can you actually have less or more trajectory? Trajectory is just the path that the cost increases are following. Less path?

that’s like some kind of math, right?
Sarah doesn’t do math…except for the Biblical kind.

21 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:06:08pm

It would be interesting to see what a smart, dogged interviewer would do with that response of hers, like pointing out that tort reform of the sort the GOP desires already exists in a number of states, but healthcare and health insurance are no cheaper there, while also pointing out that despite the decrying of ‘defensive medicine’, it actually DOES save lives - I think one estimate was about 90,000/year?

“So, given that Gov. Palin, how is it you see tort reform making insurance more affordable for average Americans?”

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:06:38pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Times like these I’d like to be a journalist just so I can ask Sarah or one of the “true believers” to just level with me as to what Republicans propose as an alternative to the ACA. Not talking points, but an actual plan. Show us the numbers that support this idea that there is some way to ensure tens of millions of uninsured Americans can have affordable access without screwing them over in the process.

You assume that they care a whit about the millions of currently uninsured Americans.

23 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:07:49pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

It would be interesting to see what a smart, dogged interviewer would do with that response of hers, like pointing out that tort reform of the sort the GOP desires already exists in a number of states, but healthcare and health insurance are no cheaper there, while also pointing out that despite the decrying of ‘defensive medicine’, it actually DOES save lives - I think one estimate was about 90,000/year?

“So, given that Gov. Palin, how is it you see tort reform making insurance more affordable for average Americans?”

Hell, just ask her how Texas, which did institute tort reform, fared in the first few years after such became law. After she mumbled and muttered for a second, I’d point out that malpractice insurance rates skyrocketed, contrary to the predictions of the law’s supporters. And even though they tapered off in recent years, they are still above the national average.

24 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:09:12pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

It would be interesting to see what a smart, dogged interviewer would do with that response of hers, like pointing out that tort reform of the sort the GOP desires already exists in a number of states, but healthcare and health insurance are no cheaper there, while also pointing out that despite the decrying of ‘defensive medicine’, it actually DOES save lives - I think one estimate was about 90,000/year?

“So, given that Gov. Palin, how is it you see tort reform making insurance more affordable for average Americans?”

But, unfortunately, she’s (barely) smart enough to never get within a hundred yards of smart, dogged interviewer.

25 geoffm33  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:09:57pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Hell, just ask her how Texas, which did institute tort reform, fared in the first few years after such became law. After she mumbled and muttered for a second, I’d point out that malpractice insurance rates skyrocketed, contrary to the predictions of the law’s supporters. And even though they tapered off in recent years, they are still above the national average.

BUT…FREEDOM!

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:10:24pm

@KatiePavlich Twitter timeline is so FULL OF FAIL.

27 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:10:34pm

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

You assume that they care a whit about the millions of currently uninsured Americans.

And that is one point I make whenever I get in arguments with wingnuts about healthcare. I always end with, “Most other industrialized nations offer universal coverage that costs less per capita and as a percentage of GDP, and their citizens are generally far more satisfied with their healthcare system than Americans are with ours. To say that we can’t or shouldn’t do at least as well is not only UN-American, it’s ANTI-American.”

28 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:12:40pm
there’s more competition, there’s less tort reform threat

Since when is tort reform a “threat” to a RWNJ? I guess the answer is when the RWNJ in question has no idea what she’s spewing on about.

29 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:12:53pm
Uh, you know, when you stand in the middle of the road you’re gonna get hit on both sides of the road.

They do suggest speakers should talk about what they know from personal experience.

30 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:13:28pm
31 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:13:29pm

I love the commercialization of Christmas!

I bet she loves the commercialization of all her beliefs. I wonder if she has ever shifted a belief because it would become more easily commercialized?

Nahhhh ***cough***teaparty***cough***….

32 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:13:41pm

Sarah, go home, bake Xmas cookies and raise your damned kids so they all don’t turn out to be white trash.

I heard Xmas carols at a grocery store today…wanted to plunge 13 inch long knitting needles into my eyes….too soon

33 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:14:14pm

Our healthcare needs less trajectory!

34 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:14:37pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

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Right. Google curates your personal collection for you.

35 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:14:39pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

And more cow bell.

No amount of cow bell could possibly help that.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:15:08pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Hell, just ask her how Texas, which did institute tort reform, fared in the first few years after such became law. After she mumbled and muttered for a second, I’d point out that malpractice insurance rates skyrocketed, contrary to the predictions of the law’s supporters. And even though they tapered off in recent years, they are still above the national average.

Given what we’ve seen of the “doctors” that get elected to public office in Texas, and their (non)comprehension of basic female biology, it’s not surprising that malpractice insurance rates keep rising there.

37 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:15:47pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Right. Google curates your personal collection for you.

This idiot retweeted Mike Andy’s super-idiotic THEIR ARE NO PICTURES LIKE THIS OF OBAMA!!!! NONE!!11!!11!!!!TY

38 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:15:48pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Times like these I’d like to be a journalist just so I can ask Sarah or one of the “true believers” to just level with me as to what Republicans propose as an alternative to the ACA. Not talking points, but an actual plan. Show us the numbers that support this idea that there is some way to ensure tens of millions of uninsured Americans can have affordable access without screwing them over in the process.

I commented on this earlier in another thread. I was embarrassed for Matt Lauer, and it was very obvious to me he soft balled her big time. Just another example of the no-journalists journalism. And The Today Show is a part of NBC News. I don’t know how they can claim that when it is nothing but entertainment.

But you know, when you think about it, none of the big news folks attack the standard Republican talking points. Only MSNBC will go after them, but then it probably doesn’t matter because most see MSNBC as slanted so far to the liberal side they pay it no attention. So, what we get is mush and Sarah is all about the mush.

39 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:16:08pm

Why do they keep doing that?

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:16:19pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Given what we’ve seen of the “doctors” that get elected to public office in Texas, and their (non)comprehension of basic female biology, it’s not surprising that malpractice insurance rates keep rising there.

It would explain attempts to have “tort reform” that put caps on damages and other effects that would help insurance companies limit pay outs.

41 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:18:17pm

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

Why do they keep doing that?

They love the echo in the bubble of epistemic closure.

42 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:19:15pm

Teehee! Martin Bashir is taking her apart right now.

43 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

I commented on this earlier in another thread. I was embarrassed for Matt Lauer, and it was very obvious to me he soft balled her big time. Just another example of the no-journalists journalism. And The Today Show is a part of NBC News. I don’t know how they can claim that when it is nothing but entertainment.

I think it’s safe to assume that the preconditions of any Palin “interview” make it clear only softball questions can be pitched, and they have to be lobbed at half speed or less. Anything more than that, the half-governor walks out.

44 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:20:06pm

Well Lizards.. I will officially enter early retirement from Hitachi Tuesday morning. I have felt proud to work for a top 10 global corporation.
In 30 days Winston and I will be leaving Oklahoma for my lakehouse up in the north woods.
I’m checking Internet connections today..It appears Charter is my high speed choice. I’m so jacked I’m walking on air.

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:21:58pm

re: #42 Justanotherhuman

Teehee! Martin Bashir is taking her apart right now.

hahahaa “Carnival barker politics”…

46 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:22:57pm

re: #24 Romantic Heretic

But, unfortunately, she’s (barely) smart enough to never get within a hundred yards of smart, dogged interviewer.

BINGO!

That woman is a cancer on society. Maybe we need a journalistic healthcare revamping so we can get her removed before her brand of stupidity metastasizes into new people too stupid to resist.

47 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:23:42pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaa “Carnival barker politics”…

Earlier: “…demented dominionism.”

Martin always comes up with some goodies. : )

48 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:24:38pm
49 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:25:31pm

re: #32 Egregious Philbin

Sarah, go home, bake Xmas cookies and raise your damned kids so they all don’t turn out to be white trash.

I heard Xmas carols at a grocery store today…wanted to plunge 13 inch long knitting needles into my eyes….too soon

I would wager she couldn’t bake Pillsbury Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough in a tube without fucking them up.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:27:18pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

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What did the Russians do to Eddie????!!???

Oh wait, that’s not him on the cover…

51 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:28:02pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

I would wager she couldn’t bake Pillsbury Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough in a tube without fucking them up.

She couldn’t even bake a cake from a boxed mix on her reality show.

52 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:28:33pm

No matter how incompetent she is at anything, I’m still uncomfortable with the ‘go home and bake cookies’ rhetoric.

She can go home and shoot at doped up caribou, or shoot wolves from a helicopter, or catch fish, or whatever.

53 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:28:44pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

Well Lizards.. I will officially enter early retirement from Hitachi Tuesday morning. I have felt proud to work for a top 10 global corporation.
In 30 days Winston and I will be leaving Oklahoma for my lakehouse up in the north woods.
I’m checking Internet connections today..It appears Charter is my high speed choice. I’m so jacked I’m walking on air.

I know some Wisconsinites from a discussion forum and they don’t have a lot of good to say about Charter. I hope you can stay well connected.

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:29:04pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

I would wager she couldn’t bake Pillsbury Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough in a tube without fucking them up.

Took her three shots with a 12-gauge to kill the tube.
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55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:29:40pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

No matter how incompetent she is at anything, I’m still uncomfortable with the ‘go home and bake cookies’ rhetoric.

She can go home and shoot at doped up caribou, or shoot wolves from a helicopter, or catch fish, or whatever.

She can shoot at them, but she sure can’t hit one, even if it is drugged up and tied to a stake…

56 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:29:53pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

Congrats and enjoy a new life. I’m jealous. :-)

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:30:13pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

I would wager she couldn’t bake Pillsbury Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough in a tube without fucking them up.

“You don’t put the tube in the oven dear.”

58 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:32:10pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

No matter how incompetent she is at anything, I’m still uncomfortable with the ‘go home and bake cookies’ rhetoric.

She can go home and shoot at doped up caribou, or shoot wolves from a helicopter, or catch fish, or whatever.

I understand, but you have to also remember she is all about them “Family Values!” She boxes herself into stupid stereotypes and cliches so I think that type of comment is fair game.

59 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:33:09pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

I understand, but you have to also remember she is all about them “Family Values!” She boxes herself into stupid stereotypes and cliches so I think that type of comment is fair game.

Sure, it’s fair game, but one can do better.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:34:34pm

As for sarah’s nonsense “Uh, you know, when you stand in the middle of the road you’re gonna get hit on both sides of the road.”
There’s someone who just might disagree:

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61 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:35:23pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

I swear to the gods, when that woman gets revved up, she sounds like a fucking helicopter.

“whop whop whop whop…..”

62 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:35:31pm

If keeping stores open 24/7 on Thanksgiving and all the other crass commercialism isn’t a war on Christmas I don’t know what is. Remember how dead even the busiest parts of town were on Thanksgiving? World turned.

63 grape_crush  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:36:30pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth: “but she sure can’t hit one, even if it is drugged up and tied to a stake…”

I would barely trust Palin to know how to use a crayon properly, much less a firearm. Surprised she hasn’t pulled a Cheney yet and shot Todd in the face.

64 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:36:54pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Sure, it’s fair game, but one can do better.

What…and go right over her and her followers heads?

Better would be totally missed.

Again, I know where you are coming from…and I admire that.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:38:08pm

re: #62 Amory Blaine

If keeping stores open 24/7 on Thanksgiving and all the other crass commercialism isn’t a war on Christmas I don’t know what is. Remember how dead even the busiest parts of town were on Thanksgiving? World turned.

It’s actually a subtle plot by the teams in the NFC North to prevent people from seeing that the Detroit Lions are being successful this season.

They fear MEGATRON!
/// :D

66 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:38:15pm

Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

67 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:39:07pm

Damn! Fucking ghoul freepers are suggesting conspiracy and sabotage in the plane crash that killed Dr. Perry Inhofe, son of Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK). Their evidence? Nothing, as usual.

“The son was a pilot AND instructor….
…reading the description of the crash….it just sounds strange.
I take very little at face value anymore.”

(Newsflash, goofball: Experienced instructors have been known to crash.)

“Clinton tried to kill Inhofe back in the 90’s with a plane ‘accident’”

(Inhofe made an emergency landing after a prop came off his plane. At the time, Inhofe’s press secretary said the FBI had been asked to investigate because “propellers don’t just fly off airplanes every day.”
Not every day, but not far from it, especially in the past. It has happened many thousands of times over the last 100 years.)

“I’ve never know a single soul that perished in a plane crash. Heck I don’t know anybody who has ever known of a person that was in a plane crash. These politicians ALL know LOTS of people who died in “plane crashes”. No coincidences here, noooo not at all. How many have the Clinton’s known?……yeah a lot of them, hmmmmm.”

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:39:51pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

Because the CRA is 45-years old (roughly) and they think no one would understand history and that political parties can change.

69 Acemarilllion  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:41:14pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s how a maverick makes ‘em, don’t ‘cha know.

70 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:42:35pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

Because more than half of the people in this country believe that evolution is a hoax.

History? Pfff. History is what Faux Nooze tells them it is. People who don’t believe in simple facts have no time for nuance.

71 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:43:05pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

And Republicans never want to talk about the Southern Strategy because that would open up their history of exploiting racial animus to win elections.

72 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:43:19pm

re: #70 austin_blue

She’s pushing the ‘liberal plantation’ meme.

73 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:44:53pm

“Who were the Dixiecrats?”
“A bunch of slavery supportin’ Democrats!”
“And where did they go after they lost the election?”
“THEY’RE STILL THERE!!!”
“And Strom Thurmond?”
“HE DOESN’T COUNT!!!”

74 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:45:14pm

What astonishes me is her complete inability to talk about policy beyond buzzwords. I mean, most people can handle at least SOME sort of real policy discussion, especially if they’re going to be bitching about a policy they should at least be able to articulate the issues with it and how to address them. But not Palin. Once she gets past the canned responses (answers to the first 2 questions from Lauer) her response is what you’d expect if you asked the below-average guy on the street. Not only incoherent, but deeply lacking any kind of understanding of the issues.

On top of that, she feels the need to pack as many buzzwords as possible into every run-on sentence, like there’s a checklist she’s filling out.

When I prepare for a meeting, I generally at least go over in my head how I’ll respond to certain likely questions, at least map out responses in my head, but every interview I’ve ever seen with her rapidly descends into blathering that sounds like she’s never heard of the topic.

It’s like she’s the person in the dream where you have to take a final in a class you didn’t remember signing up for and you can’t drop it and it’s in a subject you have no knowledge of and can’t fake it and if you don’t ace it you won’t graduate and you’ll never get a job…

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:46:19pm

re: #63 grape_crush

: “but she sure can’t hit one, even if it is drugged up and tied to a stake…”

I would barely trust Palin to know how to use a crayon properly, much less a firearm. Surprised she hasn’t pulled a Cheney yet and shot Todd in the face.

Probably why Todd doesn’t take her hunting with him…

76 austin_blue  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:46:57pm

re: #72 jaunte

She’s pushing the ‘liberal plantation’ meme.

Of course she is. And it works because the majority of the people in this country are mouth-breathing idjits.

77 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:47:15pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

Show me a Democrat from the last 90 years who ever supported slavery.

You won’t find one.

Now show me a Republican from the last 90 years who filibustered or voted against the CRA or the VRA.

Lots.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:47:32pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Why will this stupid, anti-historical idea not die?

Who knew that the Founding Fathers were Democrats?
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79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:48:22pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

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80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:49:22pm

Oh, really?

“The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America that certainly does need more help so that there’s more competition…”

en.wikipedia.org

Not an exhaustive list.

81 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:50:09pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

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SOP for conspiracy theory, just like how the absence of evidence for a conspiracy is actually evidence that the conspiracy is real!!!!!

82 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:50:24pm

re: #65 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s actually a subtle plot by the teams in the NFC North to prevent people from seeing that the Detroit Lions are being successful this season.

They fear MEGATRON!
/// :D

Johnson’s tough, no doubt, but his team can be beaten. Hopefully the Bears can still get a wild card spot and nail the Lions on the third go-round.

83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:51:36pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Job interview go well? I was sending positive vibes your way.

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:52:26pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Job interview go well? I was sending positive vibes your way.

So you’re responsible for the snow, eh?

85 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:53:26pm

re: #74 GeneJockey

What astonishes me is her complete inability to talk about policy beyond buzzwords.

What astonishes me is that she was McCain’s choice to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Also, there are STILL fuckwits on the right who take her seriously. WTF.

86 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:53:29pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Again, I know where you are coming from…

Let’s make that true.

I come from a place where girls could not wear pants to school. Where girls could not take wood shop, or physics, or drafting. Where Sarah could not have played basketball in college. Where a woman who wanted to run for office in the P.T.A. was told to go home and bake cookies.

And I’m only 6 years older than Sarah.

It’s not a big deal. Sarah wants to take away women’s rights, so in a way she ‘deserves’ sexist jokes and derision. But if we can mock her without validating the sexism, so much the better.

87 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:57:12pm

Have some more word salad:

88 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:57:13pm

re: #85 Lidane

What astonishes me is that she was McCain’s choice to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. Also, there are STILL fuckwits on the right who take her seriously. WTF.

Her sense of resentment and hitting the buzzwords works with them. I don’t know why. The things I pointed to that show her to be ain inarticulate, shallow-thinking, know-nothing are actually STRENGTHS in their eyes.

Go figure.

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:57:48pm

re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader

So you’re responsible for the snow, eh?

hey, I get that mess overnight and tomorrow morning.
My powers over the weather are sadly limited…

90 grape_crush  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:57:57pm

re: #68 Feline Fearless Leader

That, and it serves a political narrative (“We’re not racists! You’re the racists”) for the right. Another one of those lies right wingers tell themselves to make them feel better.

Of course, the purpose of all this race and class BS is to keep the underclass distracted by fighting for scraps amongst themselves while the really smart sociopaths grab anything worth taking.

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:58:52pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

Job interview go well? I was sending positive vibes your way.

It’s got potential but I’ve got questions I need to research.

92 polisurgist  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:59:28pm
93 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:01:59pm

re: #88 GeneJockey

Her sense of resentment and hitting the buzzwords works with them. I don’t know why. The things I pointed to that show her to be ain inarticulate, shallow-thinking, know-nothing are actually STRENGTHS in their eyes.

Go figure.

She’s one of us. She’s not one of those pointy-headed librul or RINO intellectuals. She gets it.

////

94 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:03:17pm

re: #88 GeneJockey

Her sense of resentment and hitting the buzzwords works with them. I don’t know why. The things I pointed to that show her to be ain inarticulate, shallow-thinking, know-nothing are actually STRENGTHS in their eyes.

Go figure.

It’s anti-intellectualism takes to it’s logical conclusion. The idea that people get turned off by politicians who appear smart and “talk down” to them, so good politicians try to appear as if they’re one of the common folk, which almost always just looks hilarious when you have a rich 1%er trying to act as if he’s at home at a country fair, eating corndogs and washing them down with soda before quickly begging for a bottle of mineral water to get the taste out of their mouths.

95 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:04:41pm

re: #93 Lidane

She’s one of us. She’s not one of those pointy-headed librul or RINO intellectuals. She gets it.

////

The weird thing is, most of them are more articulate. It’s like something about what she says and/or how she says it circumvents the higher functions and goes right to the reptile brain. And no, I’m not talking about her looks. I posted on the last thread that the clip we’re laughing at is also being posted on the RIGHT as her schooling Matt Lauer on Obamacare. Now, how the hell that works, I don’t know.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:05:48pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

It’s anti-intellectualism takes to it’s logical conclusion. The idea that people get turned off by politicians who appear smart and “talk down” to them, so good politicians try to appear as if they’re one of the common folk, which almost always just looks hilarious when you have a rich 1%er trying to act as if he’s at home at a country fair, eating corndogs and washing them down with soda before quickly begging for a bottle of mineral water to get the taste out of their mouths.

Being actors in other words. Which is part of the reason why Reagan was successful. Other politicians trying to “act” as something else in order to address some perceived weakness gets you things like Dukakis in a tank.

97 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:08:02pm

Of course—this hits a lot of families, not just the traditional working class anymore.

Three-quarters of Americans want to up minimum wage

washingtonpost.com

A COLA would be nice, too. At least it would help to keep up a bit.

98 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:09:10pm

re: #96 Feline Fearless Leader

Being actors in other words. Which is part of the reason why Reagan was successful. Other politicians trying to “act” as something else in order to address some perceived weakness gets you things like Dukakis in a tank.

Thing is, eventually the actors will get replaced by people who actually believe this BS, because the rubes decide if they want to have an idiot in office, they’ll elect a real idiot instead of someone who just pretends. Which is how we get such titans of intellectualism as Palin, Cruz, Lee, Ryan, and Paul.

99 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:09:14pm

re: #74 GeneJockey

It’s a beauty pageant thing. She’s never had to be intellectual or think very hard, it’s obvious. She’s skated on being pretty and being manipulative. I have a sister like this, who, to no one’s surprise, is a really stupid version of Republican. She’s constantly posting crap on facebook that’s so easily debunked it’s pathetic. Stupid is a point of pride with some people, Palin is their Queen.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:09:21pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Of course—this hits a lot of families, not just the traditional working class anymore.

Three-quarters of Americans want to up minimum wage

washingtonpost.com

A COLA would be nice, too. At least it would help to keep up a bit.

Congress will need to check out the idea of a salary increase first - and then get back to you in a couple of years.
///

101 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:10:08pm

re: #95 GeneJockey

the clip we’re laughing at is also being posted on the RIGHT as her schooling Matt Lauer on Obamacare. Now, how the hell that works, I don’t know.

Image: Screen_shot_2013-11-11_at_4.08.53_PM.png

The reality distortion fields are strong.

102 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:10:31pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

Of course—this hits a lot of families, not just the traditional working class anymore.

Three-quarters of Americans want to up minimum wage

washingtonpost.com

A COLA would be nice, too. At least it would help to keep up a bit.

Blah blah inflation blah blah job losses blah blah only young people earn minimum wage blah blah get a real job!!!

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:12:08pm

re: #95 GeneJockey

The weird thing is, most of them are more articulate. It’s like something about what she says and/or how she says it circumvents the higher functions and goes right to the reptile brain. And no, I’m not talking about her looks. I posted on the last thread that the clip we’re laughing at is also being posted on the RIGHT as her schooling Matt Lauer on Obamacare. Now, how the hell that works, I don’t know.

Self-imposed delusion. Something you can find in history in multiple places and times. Karl Rove just over a year ago being a prime example.

104 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:13:56pm

Well, at least she didn’t tack on “also” to the beginning and/or end of every sentence, as she was prone to do in 2008.

105 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:14:08pm

Is there still an X-prize for someone who can diagram one of her sentences?

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:17:02pm

re: #104 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Well, at least she didn’t tack on “also too” to the beginning and/or end of every sentence, as she was prone to do in 2008.

FIFY, for accuracy…

107 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:17:32pm

Regulations, anyone?

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:17:54pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Is there still an X-prize for someone who can diagram one of her sentences?

There aren’t large enough sheets of paper for that.

109 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:19:03pm

re: #104 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Well, at least she didn’t tack on “also” to the beginning and/or end of every sentence, as she was prone to do in 2008.

She’s had over 5 yrs to practice but she’s still no better than she started out, in spite of that, even w/speechwriters who are said to have pulled their hair out making her get it right.

She still doesn’t get it that appearing “folksy” doesn’t mean being ignorant.

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:19:34pm

Think what always got me in ‘08 was the irate wingnuts, particularly of the female variety, who saw every criticism of Palin as an attack on her looks and on women in general. It was absolutely Freudian in the way they assumed that the reasons they were supporting her were the reason why her critics hated her.

How I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard “You’re just afraid of a smart, pretty conservative woman!!” through the last months of ‘08 and all of ‘09.

111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:20:12pm

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Is there still an X-prize for someone who can diagram one of her sentences?

There’s potentially a cool million available from a certian diminutive Canadian magician…

The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge is offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF), which says it will pay out one million U.S. dollars to anyone who can demonstrate a supernatural or paranormal ability under agreed-upon scientific testing criteria.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:21:38pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There’s potentially a cool million available from a certian diminutive Canadian magician…

Are you implying that Sarah Palin’s rhetoric is a paranormal phenomena?
O_o

113 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:21:49pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Let’s make that true.

I come from a place where girls could not wear pants to school. Where girls could not take wood shop, or physics, or drafting. Where Sarah could not have played basketball in college. Where a woman who wanted to run for office in the P.T.A. was told to go home and bake cookies.

And I’m only 6 years older than Sarah.

It’s not a big deal. Sarah wants to take away women’s rights, so in a way she ‘deserves’ sexist jokes and derision. But if we can mock her without validating the sexism, so much the better.

Okay.

But ineptness is ineptness no matter what the inept is trying to accomplish. Male or Female.

Would you be more comfortable if the initial comment that I added to was such (original was #32 Egregious Philbin)…

Sarah, go home and raise your damned kids so they all don’t turn out to be white trash. Stay out of the wood shop so you don’t saw your hand off, and please do not study to be a physicist, we wouldn’t want to see you around any nuclear material. And for gods sake, if you are gonna wear the pants in the family, pull ‘em up so we don’t see your ass!

Better? But then those comments could be considered sexist too as they are telling a woman she shouldn’t be around saws, nuclear material and pants.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

: )

114 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:22:06pm

re: #107 darthstar

Regulations, anyone?

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That’s a major nuclear plant, too, about 140 mi from where I am. McGuire is only about 10, though, and Duke Energy runs them both.

115 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:22:25pm

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Are you implying that Sarah Palin’s rhetoric is a paranormal phenomena?
O_o

Successfully diagramming one of her sentences arguably would be.

116 Mattand  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:26:05pm

re: #115 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Successfully diagramming one of her sentences arguably would be.

I tried to read the block quote in the main post and literally gave up after the first “sentence”.

117 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:28:08pm

Evening Lizardim from the bitterly cold and clear wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

118 Mattand  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:28:10pm

What’s also really irritating is how the press still trips over themselves to interview Palin.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:29:16pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Think what always got me in ‘08 was the irate wingnuts, particularly of the female variety, who saw every criticism of Palin as an attack on her looks and on women in general. It was absolutely Freudian in the way they assumed that the reasons they were supporting her were the reason why her critics hated her.

How I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard “You’re just afraid of a smart, pretty conservative woman!!” through the last months of ‘08 and all of ‘09.

Well, that argument falls flat because Palin is neither “pretty” nor “smart”.

120 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:30:14pm

re: #116 Mattand

I tried to read the block quote in the main post and literally gave up after the first “sentence”.

When I tried to diagram a Palin sentence, the dog vomitted up Coptic-speaking locusts, the caraway seeds in the spice cabinet all turned to into fire ants, and I think my exercise bike is now possessed by the spirit of Julius Streicher.

121 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:30:47pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that argument falls flat because Palin is neither “pretty” nor “smart”.

She is decently attractive, if not a traditional blonde bombshell. Some people clearly think she’s hawt. But I definitely agree with you on the smarts thing - she lost all claim to that the minute she opened her derp-spewing mouth.

122 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:34:07pm

re: #120 The Ghost of a Flea

When I tried to diagram a Palin sentence, the dog vomitted up Coptic-speaking locusts, the caraway seeds in the spice cabinet all turned to into fire ants, and I think my exercise bike is now possessed by the spirit of Julius Streicher.

Brilliant! Mind if I steal it?

123 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:35:05pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

She is decently attractive, if not a traditional blonde bombshell. Some people clearly think she’s hawt. But I definitely agree with you on the smarts thing - she lost all claim to that the minute she opened her derp-spewing mouth.

This is not attractive—she looks like a crack addict. Although I think she’s put a few lbs back on recently.

Image: sarah-plain-thin-07.jpg

124 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:37:23pm

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel

Brilliant! Mind if I steal it?

Not at all.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:37:28pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

She is decently attractive, if not a traditional blonde bombshell. Some people clearly think she’s hawt. But I definitely agree with you on the smarts thing - she lost all claim to that the minute she opened her derp-spewing mouth.

she may have been “decently attractive” when she had the RNC stylists making her look presentable, but she has an overwhelming ugly inside that just oozes out.

126 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:37:42pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

Okay.

But ineptness is ineptness no matter what the inept is trying to accomplish. Male or Female.

Would you be more comfortable if the initial comment that I added to was such (original was #32 Egregious Philbin)…

Better? But then those comments could be considered sexist too as they are telling a woman she shouldn’t be around saws, nuclear material and pants.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

: )

My first comment on the subject was not directed at you, but you had the courage to respond. It was of course Egregious Philbin (whose nic I love) who made me cringe first. I’m still not trying to get on your case, but I am taking all opportunities to make my feelings on this clear.

It’s the ‘baking cookies’ phrase. Implying women shouldn’t do whatever is just not as sexist as saying they should go bake cookies. It’s classist as well as sexist.

And don’t get me started on ‘white trash’.

:)

127 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:38:53pm

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

This is not attractive—she looks like a crack addict. Although I think she’s put a few lbs back on recently.

Image: sarah-plain-thin-07.jpg

To be perfectly fair, there are flattering and unflattering photos of just about any celebrity. Just about anyone can be made to look pretty or fugly. However…

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

she may have been “decently attractive” when she had the RNC stylists making her look presentable, but she has an overwhelming ugly inside that just oozes out.

This just nailed it. When she’s properly made up, she’s cute, but she’s got a blackness in her soul that is completely boner-killing.

128 DaveBarnes  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:39:51pm

This may be racist, but…
Sarah Palin is NOT a moron.
She is intellectually lazy.
She is a bull-shitter.
She lives in a strange, tiny world of ignorance.

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:40:00pm

re: #107 darthstar

Regulations, anyone?

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They have regulations, and that’s why they reported the leak instead of covering it up. This isn’t Fukishima here, this Duke Energy admitting the problem and taking remedial action. In this case, the regulations are working.

130 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:40:27pm
131 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:42:31pm

re: #128 DaveBarnes

This may be racist, but…
Sarah Palin is NOT a moron.
She is intellectually lazy.
She is a bull-shitter.
She lives in a strange, tiny world of ignorance.

Which passes for “moron” around these parts. We have higher standards.

132 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:43:05pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

My first comment on the subject was not directed at you, but you had the courage to respond. It was of course Egregious Philbin (whose nic I love) who made me cringe first. I’m still not trying to get on your case, but I am taking all opportunities to make my feelings on this clear.

It’s the ‘baking cookies’ phrase. Implying women shouldn’t do whatever is just not as sexist as saying they should go bake cookies. It’s classist as well as sexist.

And don’t get me started on ‘white trash’.

:)

wrenchwench,

I’m here for the debate. I didn’t take any of your comments as an attack. I hope you understand my points too. Anything can be misconstrued and interpreted as sexist when you are trying to make a point about a female that basically fails at everything she does. It could be said she hides behind that sexism relying on her supporters to point out the attacks as being sexist.

133 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:43:56pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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My legs are weak just looking at that. You either have to be very, very gutsy or absolutely foolhardy to do it. And yeah, I know, practice, experience, etc. Still.

134 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:44:26pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

She is decently attractive, if not a traditional blonde bombshell. Some people clearly think she’s hawt. But I definitely agree with you on the smarts thing - she lost all claim to that the minute she opened her derp-spewing mouth.

I always loved pointing out that both Ron Jeremy and Dolph Lundgren have more of an education than Caribou Barbie since they both have master’s degrees. That really pissed off the wingnuts. Heh.

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:44:44pm

re: #128 DaveBarnes

This may be racist, but…
Sarah Palin is NOT a moron.
She is intellectually lazy.
She is a bull-shitter.
She lives in a strange, tiny world of ignorance.

She’s a grifter, a con-artist, who has enough smarts to know how to best gain people’s confidence and shake them down, but not much more. That she rose as far as she did speaks more of the intellectual emptiness of Alaskan politics than any abilities of her own.

136 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:46:28pm

re: #134 Lidane

I always loved pointing out that both Ron Jeremy and Dolph Lundgren have more of an education than Caribou Barbie since they both have master’s degrees. That really pissed off the wingnuts. Heh.

Reminds me of the revelation in The Expendables 2 that Lundgren’s character, who usually comes off as a violent psychopath, is in actuality a Rhodes Scholar with a doctorate who just got into merc work because it was exciting.

137 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:47:01pm

A more serious statement.

Sarah Palin’s looks don’t matter, and she shouldn’t be mocked for being pretty or ugly. She should be roundly mocked for her hatefulness, Jacobin revanchism, and her proud ignorance.

But it really matters that so many of her supporters like to point out she’s “smart and pretty.” Because they’re not just complementing her, they’re setting up a (deeply sexist and tribal) distinction of “real woman” Palin…who is feminine, because pretty is feminine…and any and all female liberals who they wish to mark as not only not pretty, but as not-women.

138 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:47:16pm

re: #118 Mattand

What’s also really irritating is how the press still trips over themselves to interview Palin.

Someone is going to get the ultimate fuck up. Question of when & who.

139 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:47:48pm

re: #134 Lidane

I always loved pointing out that both Ron Jeremy and Dolph Lundgren have more of an education than Caribou Barbie since they both have master’s degrees. That really pissed off the wingnuts. Heh.

Pretty people are not always smart.

Smart people are not always pretty.

It’s more about the content of their character. I only commented on it because of the penchant of the wingnuts to bring up that they have a “more attractive candidate” than “that black man over thar.”

140 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:48:03pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Reminds me of the revelation in The Expendables 2 that Lundgren’s character, who usually comes off as a violent psychopath, is in actuality a Rhodes Scholar with a doctorate who just got into merc work because it was exciting.

And they used his real-life education in that film too. His character in The Expendables 2 was a chemical engineer. So is he.

141 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:48:45pm

re: #132 ObserverArt

wrenchwench,

I’m here for the debate. I didn’t take any of your comments as an attack. I hope you understand my points too. Anything can be misconstrued and interpreted as sexist when you are trying to make a point about a female that basically fails at everything she does. It could be said she hides behind that sexism relying on her supporters to point out the attacks as being sexist.

I don’t buy that any more than I buy ‘all criticism of Obama is racist’. Both are straw men beings.

Really, the ‘go home and bake cookies’ is just such a classic insult that was actually said to women who tried to do anything non-traditional, it should be avoided, no matter how deserving the target.

142 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:49:53pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

I don’t buy that any more than I buy ‘all criticism of Obama is racist’. Both are straw men beings.

Really, the ‘go home and bake cookies’ is just such a classic insult that was actually said to women who tried to do anything non-traditional, it should be avoided, no matter how deserving the target.

Perhaps it would be more clear if the insult were rephrased as, “Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.” A lot more people might recognize that one.

143 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:50:42pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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Is that a poodle skirt, or did something attack her up there?

144 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:51:17pm

re: #137 The Ghost of a Flea

A more serious statement.

Sarah Palin’s looks don’t matter….

But it really matters that so many of her supporters like to point out she’s “smart and pretty.” Because they’re not just complementing her, they’re setting up a (deeply sexist and tribal) distinction of “real woman” Palin…who is feminine, because pretty is feminine…and any and all female liberals who they wish to mark as not only not pretty, but as not-women.

Indeed, how many times have we seen over the years “comparison” pictures of “liberal women” and “conservative women”? Had conservatives who get uptight if you comment on Palin’s empty prettiness turn around and snicker about Pelosi needing plastic surgery? To many of them, you can’t be pretty and liberal. They have to reinforce in their minds that stereotype of the bitter, angry feminazi who became so because she’s too ugly to land a “real man.”

145 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:51:18pm

re: #142 thedopefishlives

Perhaps it would be more clear if the insult were rephrased as, “Get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.” A lot more people might recognize that one.

Bingo.

146 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:51:22pm

re: #128 DaveBarnes

This may be racist, but…
Sarah Palin is NOT a moron.
She is intellectually lazy.
She is a bull-shitter.
She lives in a strange, tiny world of ignorance.

She’s a joker
She’s a smoker
She’s a mid-night toker
She sure don’t want to hurt no one.

147 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:51:34pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

She emphasizes coordinating conjunctions which she abuses mercilessly.

Oops…had a bad comma there.

148 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:52:24pm

re: #132 ObserverArt

wrenchwench,

I’m here for the debate. I didn’t take any of your comments as an attack. I hope you understand my points too. Anything can be misconstrued and interpreted as sexist when you are trying to make a point about a female that basically fails at everything she does. It could be said she hides behind that sexism relying on her supporters to point out the attacks as being sexist.

Of course, she relies on them to make those points, but she has also done so herself. Still, I get your point, too. I think women who use “sexism” as an excuse to cover up their mistakes, incompetence, to avoid criticism, and use their looks and “sex appeal” to get ahead are not doing women who actually experience sexism any favors. It’s just part of the competitive, not cooperative, mindset which tells them to use anything in their toolbox to advance, even if has absolutely no bearing on doing a good job, like education and experience.

149 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:52:37pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Bingo.

I use it as a joke with my wife, who is a fiercely independent red-headed firebrand. Her reply is always the same: “Make your own damn sandwich.”

150 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:52:41pm

Lazy penguin.

151 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:52:45pm

re: #147 darthstar

She emphasizes coordinating conjunctions, which she abuses mercilessly.

Do the Geneva Conventions cover torture of the English language?

//

152 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:55:12pm

Is it wrong to eat cookie dough right out of the tube?

153 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:55:51pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Is it wrong to eat cookie dough right out of the tube?

Absolutely not. Just don’t eat the whole tube, that will not do.

154 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:56:08pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Is it wrong to eat cookie dough right out of the tube?

lol

155 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:56:23pm

We think it tastes mediciney out of a tube.

156 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:56:56pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Is it wrong to eat cookie dough right out of the tube?

Library paste is a gateway drug.

157 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:57:45pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

We think it tastes mediciney out of a tube.

That’s the raw baking powder.

Unwrap the whole thing, lay it on a cookie sheet, and bake.

Let me know how it turns out, I’ve never tried that.

158 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:57:46pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

Is it wrong to eat cookie dough right out of the tube?

If it’s wrong, I don’t want to be right.

//

159 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 2:58:37pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

If it’s wrong, I don’t want to be right.

//

That, of course, was my first thought.

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:01:10pm

Why do wingnuts keep Tweeting this Mikeandy spam over and over? I don’t understand.

161 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:03:23pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Why do wingnuts keep Tweeting this Mikeandy spam over and over? I don’t understand.

Repetition instills truthiness.

162 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:03:53pm

It will be an important photo for his rebranding.

163 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:04:30pm

re: #147 darthstar

She emphasizes coordinating conjunctions which she abuses mercilessly.

Oops…had a bad comma there.

Conjuction Junction, how’s that function?

164 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:05:30pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Also, I got this reply, what does this even mean? Can someone translate Wingnutese?

It’s a little cloudy even for me, but something about boots on the ground good when GWB does it but not when Obama does it.

165 bubba zanetti  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:09:07pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

It’s not Wingnut, that’s why it’s confusing. The thanks is sarcastic.

166 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:09:36pm

re: #164 thedopefishlives

It’s a little cloudy even for me, but something about boots on the ground good when GWB does it but not when Obama does it.

I think it was a hit at GWB, equivalent to the “Thanks, Obama” meme. This set of wars is different. WWII was ‘for the duration’, Vietnam was “I’m shorter than a midget in a swamp”.

167 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:10:20pm

More believable than a 60 Minutes story on Benghazi

168 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:11:10pm

re: #165 bubba zanetti

It’s not Wingnut, that’s why it’s confusing. The thanks is sarcastic.

re: #166 Decatur Deb

I think it was a hit at GWB, equivalent to the “Thanks, Obama” meme. This set of wars is different, WWII was ‘for the duration’, Vietnam was “I’m shorter than a midget in a swamp”.

That explains why my head didn’t quite wrap around it. My Wingnutese is a little rusty since the fishfolk failed to provide me with a long hate-filled diatribe during the last visit.

169 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:14:49pm

re: #165 bubba zanetti

It’s not Wingnut, that’s why it’s confusing. The thanks is sarcastic.

Oops my bad. I did not see Part 2 of the tweet. egghead is NOT a wingnut.

170 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:16:30pm

I still don’t understand why the Mikeandy keeps getting spammed forever.

171 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:18:13pm

re: #167 darthstar

More believable than a 60 Minutes story on Benghazi

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If you had said that someone would put ‘badger’, ‘sex’, ‘dwarf’ and ‘Gordon Ramsay’ together in a sentence, I’d have said you were nuts.

172 Snarknado!  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:19:54pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

I still don’t understand why the Mikeandy keeps getting spammed forever.

Google image, how does it work?

173 Ed E. Lishus  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:20:13pm

re: #167 darthstar

Youtube Video

174 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:20:25pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

I still don’t understand why the Mikeandy keeps getting spammed forever.

Wingnuts want to believe that Obama hates the military and that GWB was a real warrior-president.

175 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:21:56pm

Later, lizards.

176 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:26:13pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Wingnuts want to believe that Obama hates the military and that GWB was a real warrior-president.

It’s of a piece with ‘Liberals spit on Vietnam Veterans when they came home’ - it’s a deeply held belief which cannot be changed by factual information.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:26:19pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Wingnuts want to believe that Obama hates the military and that GWB was a real warrior-president.

That doesn’t answer my question of why they keep spamming something that is so obviously debunked in 2 seconds.

178 missliberties  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:26:21pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I love the way she emphasizes random words while speaking, in a completely meaningless way.

Yo!
Don’t be trashing my soul sister, Sarah!!
We shares the same birthday day!!

I like totally comprehended what she was saying about free market cost of health trajectories with no socialist interference and future projected reviews of liberty and death or freedom.

179 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:28:59pm

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

That doesn’t answer my question of why they keep spamming something that is so obviously debunked in 2 seconds.

Does anyone to whom you’ve debunked it ever say, “Oh, I didn’t know! Thanks!”?

No, they WON’T Google ‘Obama hug soldier’, and they’ll retweet the picture, and tell themselves you’re just a Liberal, probably living on welfare in some urban hellhole, and thus you can be ignored.

180 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:29:54pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

I believe his dad GHWB was more of a warrior than GWB.

181 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:30:15pm

re: #63 grape_crush

: “but she sure can’t hit one, even if it is drugged up and tied to a stake…”

I would barely trust Palin to know how to use a crayon properly, much less a firearm. Surprised she hasn’t pulled a Cheney yet and shot Todd in the face.

You think anyone gives her a loaded weapon? Anything she “shoots” is shot by the person standing behind her. Sarah hears the report and thinks she did it.

And yes, I do think she’s that stupid.

182 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:31:15pm

re: #137 The Ghost of a Flea

A more serious statement.

Sarah Palin’s looks don’t matter, and she shouldn’t be mocked for being pretty or ugly. She should be roundly mocked for her hatefulness, Jacobin revanchism, and her proud ignorance.

But it really matters that so many of her supporters like to point out she’s “smart and pretty.” Because they’re not just complementing her, they’re setting up a (deeply sexist and tribal) distinction of “real woman” Palin…who is feminine, because pretty is feminine…and any and all female liberals who they wish to mark as not only not pretty, but as not-women.

Let us keep in mind we do not want to limit language. Ugly is not a one-definition word used just as a definition of physical traits.

As a matter of fact many of the other definitions can rightly be used on a person like Palin.

Ugly definitions outside of human looks…

2a. Repulsive or offensive; objectionable: an ugly remark.
2b. Chiefly Southern U.S. Rude: Don’t be ugly with me.
2c. New England Unmanageable. Used of animals, especially cows or horses.
3. Morally reprehensible; bad.
4. Threatening or ominous: ugly black clouds.
5a. Likely to cause embarrassment or trouble: “Public opinion in both nations could take an ugly turn” (George R. Packard).
5b. Marked by or inclined to anger or bad feelings; disagreeable: an ugly temper; an ugly scene.

I am constantly disappointed many only know and react to main/common definition.

Mitt Romney is a pretty good looking guy. But, he is ugly to me!

183 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:31:54pm

re: #180 PhillyPretzel

I believe his dad GHWB was more of a warrior than GWB.

Well, he was an ACTUAL warrior, not the weekend variety.
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I remember back in 2000, wingnuts tried to tell me that Bush’s training in Thunderchief’s was more dangerous than Al Gore’s service in Vietnam.

184 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:32:04pm

re: #171 GeneJockey

If you had said that someone would put ‘badger’, ‘sex’, ‘dwarf’ and ‘Gordon Ramsay’ together in a sentence, I’d have said you were nuts.

Exotic recipes in niche restaurants often go bad.

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:32:31pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

Does anyone to whom you’ve debunked it ever say, “Oh, I didn’t know! Thanks!”?

Not for that particular Tweet. I actually have had some people thank me for correcting Fake Quotes, and there is even a wingnut who reTweets my Fake Quote corrections.

But they are few and far between.

The most common response is
1) BLOCK TEH COMMUNIST!!!!!11!!11!!

and

2) Argue that MAYBE JEFFERSON/WASHINGTON/ADAMS/MADISON DIDN’T REALLY SAY THAT BUT HE TOTALLY WOULD HAVE SAID IT IF HE WAS ME!!!11!!1!111

186 Odie Hugh Manatee  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:34:12pm

re: #35 BongCrodny

No amount of cow bell could possibly help that.

Throw in some triangle, washboard, jug and juice harp with a few cowbells, all played by no-talent morons, and I think it would sound about right.

187 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:34:33pm

re: #183 GeneJockey

I cannot find the picture I am looking for but I do remember that GHWB was picked up by a sub when his plane was shot down. en.wikipedia.org

188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:34:48pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

Does anyone to whom you’ve debunked it ever say, “Oh, I didn’t know! Thanks!”?

No, they WON’T Google ‘Obama hug soldier’, and they’ll retweet the picture, and tell themselves you’re just a Liberal, probably living on welfare in some urban hellhole, and thus you can be ignored.

THERE ARE NO PICTURES LIKE THIS OF GEORGE W. BUSH! NOT EVEN ONE!!!!

It’s true, you can Google it.

189 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:35:01pm

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

190 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:37:01pm

re: #181 Skip Intro

You think anyone gives her a loaded weapon? Anything she “shoots” is shot by the person standing behind her. Sarah hears the report and thinks she did it.

And yes, I do think she’s that stupid.

I don’t think she’s that stupid. I DO think she’s completely ignorant of the policy issues she’s supposed to know, and I think she lacks any curiosity about them. I think her political brain is a combination of rigid, never-questioned “principles” and beliefs; an odd combination of ambition and laziness that makes her want to win the election while not wanting to do the job; simple avarice; and over it all, like maple syrup on waffles, spite-filled resentment.

191 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:39:35pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.

And if you look at her face, or Michelle Malkin’s, Pam Geller’s, or Ann Coulter’s, what you’ll see is that their bitterness and hatred is increasingly being written on their faces. They’re becoming their own Dorian Gray portraits.

192 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:40:41pm
193 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:42:45pm

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Not for that particular Tweet. I actually have had some people thank me for correcting Fake Quotes, and there is even a wingnut who reTweets my Fake Quote corrections.

But they are few and far between.

The most common response is
1) BLOCK TEH COMMUNIST!!!!!11!!11!!

and

2) Argue that MAYBE JEFFERSON/WASHINGTON/ADAMS/MADISON DIDN’T REALLY SAY THAT BUT HE TOTALLY WOULD HAVE SAID IT IF HE WAS ME!!!11!!1!111

This morning on Facebook, I was pleased to note that ‘Being Liberal’, which had posted a supposed quote from Hillary Clinton, reposted the picture/quote with the correction that they couldn’t confirm HRC had said that, and much as they liked the sentiment they didn’t think she actually said it.

After all the responses of “Maybe Jefferson didn’t say it, but he meant to!!! Libtard!!!!” to your corrections of fake quotes, it was refreshing.

194 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:43:16pm

I’m a pretty good (male) cook. I wouldn’t want Sarah around my stove, or to make me a damn sandwich.

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195 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:46:18pm

...

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:47:23pm

HURR HURR

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:47:43pm

There are no pictures like this of George W Bush! NONE!

President Bush hid his dead under cover of darkness.

198 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:50:29pm
199 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:51:33pm

re: #186 Odie Hugh Manatee

Throw in some triangle, washboard, jug and juice harp with a few cowbells, all played by no-talent morons, and I think it would sound about right.

I’ll bring the beer!

200 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:51:46pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

From when til 2009? I was a kid during Vietnam, but I am pretty sure we saw pictures of those coffins coming home. I don’t think that is right, there were pics of the coffins shown on TV and in the papers.

I also remember the nightly news with pictures of those killed pretty regularly. Those photos were also in the newspapers.

201 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:53:07pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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As I remember quite well, the Bush Admin fought rather hard to avoid having any pictures of coffins coming home. The arguments were always pretty pathetic, ranging from “It’ll hurt troop morale!” to “The families don’t want those pictures released!”

202 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:53:40pm

re: #180 PhillyPretzel

I believe his dad GHWB was more of a warrior than GWB.

He was and subsequently while I feel the elder Bush was definitely a hawk on foreign affairs, i don’t think he was reckless either and he surrounded himself with reasonable people like Gates, pre 9/11 Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, Jim Baker, and others who understood that. I do give W Bush some credit for not doing what Mitt Romney did and that’s actually protest in favor of a draft and then go hide out in France doing missionary work. I know the mission work is important ot the LDS church but at the same time, Mitt could have put his money where his mouth was adn served. My grandfather served with many young LDS men in Korea.

203 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:54:26pm

DERP OF THE DAY

204 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:55:01pm

re: #200 A Mom Anon

From when til 2009? I was a kid during Vietnam, but I am pretty sure we saw pictures of those coffins coming home. I don’t think that is right, there were pics of the coffins shown on TV and in the papers.

I also remember the nightly news with pictures of those killed pretty regularly. Those photos were also in the newspapers.

That was entirely a Pres GW Bush dictate. The dead were scheduled to arrive at Dover AFB around midnight. The first soldier who leaked a photo of an arriving C17 with precise ranks of coffins in the bay caught shit.

205 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:56:23pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior
If Mitt was going to avoid the draft by doing the missionary thing, fine, but he should have kept his privileged piehole shut. Protest FOR the war and then duck out of going? Bullshit.

206 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:56:33pm

re: #200 A Mom Anon

From when til 2009? I was a kid during Vietnam, but I am pretty sure we saw pictures of those coffins coming home. I don’t think that is right, there were pics of the coffins shown on TV and in the papers.

I also remember the nightly news with pictures of those killed pretty regularly. Those photos were also in the newspapers.

Maybe someone can help me out here but I believe the coffins and such being showed during Vietnam played a role in why many people grew opposed to that war. They saw the cost of that war. It definitely wasn’t something new that came along when Obama became president.

207 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:57:29pm

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY

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We already went over this one a few days ago.

208 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:58:13pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Maybe someone can help me out here but I believe the coffins and such being showed during Vietnam played a role in why many people grew opposed to that war. They saw the cost of that war. It definitely wasn’t something new that came along when Obama became president.

Had nothing to do with Pres Obama. He rescinded the orders for shameful midnight arrivals.

209 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:58:31pm

re: #205 A Mom Anon

If Mitt was going to avoid the draft by doing the missionary thing, fine, but he should have kept his privileged piehole shut. Protest FOR the war and then duck out of going? Bullshit.

It actually brings me to anger to know that he did that you know. I mean I have a special contempt for guys like Cheney who actually has the nerve to say “he had other priorities” when it came to service yet have shown a very cavailer attitude when it comes to sending other young people to war. I wouldn’t have voted for H.W Bush but I respect that he at least didn’t act like war was a fucking joke and everything would be honky-dorey.

210 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 3:58:57pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Had nothing to do with Pres Obama. He rescinded the orders for shameful midnight arrivals.

Right, gotcha. Thanks.

211 gwangung  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:00:00pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

He was and subsequently while I feel the elder Bush was definitely a hawk on foreign affairs, i don’t think he was reckless either and he surrounded himself with reasonable people like Gates, pre 9/11 Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, Jim Baker, and others who understood that. I do give W Bush some credit for not doing what Mitt Romney did and that’s actually protest in favor of a draft and then go hide out in France doing missionary work. I know the mission work is important ot the LDS church but at the same time, Mitt could have put his money where his mouth was adn served. My grandfather served with many young LDS men in Korea.

I think he actually served in combat and appreciated those who served in combat.

212 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:02:00pm
213 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:02:11pm

re: #211 gwangung

I think he actually served in combat and appreciated those who served in combat.

I think so. I also think he has more individual character than his son does. Although H.W Bush like W had a privileged background, I think he was more self aware than his son was and maybe that came with being thrust into maturity at a very young age when he was a combat pilot while most of us were sophomores in college. Could personality too. I always got the vibe from W that he was a little too light hearted.

214 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:03:48pm

re: #212 darthstar

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Can you imagine filing an insurance claim for a cow warming itself on your car hood?

215 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:03:57pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

I think so. I also think he has more individual character than his son does. Although H.W Bush like W had a privileged background, I think he was more self aware than his son was and maybe that came with being thrust into maturity at a very young age when he was a combat pilot while most of us were sophomores in college. Could personality too. I always got the vibe from W that he was a little too light hearted.

George H. W. is the first President I remember (I was born during the Reagan years) and he always left a deep impression on me.

216 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:04:36pm

Koch Group Throws Boozy Anti-Obamacare Tailgate Party At College Football Game

Conservatives honoring America.

217 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:07:24pm

New keyboard shortcut: anywhere on a comment page, type the c key and you’ll jump down to the comment form, ready to post.

218 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:12:31pm

re: #215 thedopefishlives

George H. W. is the first President I remember (I was born during the Reagan years) and he always left a deep impression on me.

Me too, I was born in the Reagan years too. I remember Gulf War I being televised and watching it on TV. I don’t remember either my parents or grandparents being big fans of his but the more I learn about the man and see him interviewed, the more I wish there could be more like him. I also have a special place in my heart for him for signing the Americans with Disabilities Act. Something that I think wouldn’t even make it out of committee considering how today’s Congressional Rs are.

219 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:14:29pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Me too, I was born in the Reagan years too. I remember Gulf War I being televised and watching it on TV. I don’t remember either my parents or grandparents being big fans of his but the more I learn about the man and see him interviewed, the more I wish there could be more like him. I also have a special place in my heart for him for signing the Americans with Disabilities Act. Something that I think wouldn’t even make it out of committee considering how today’s Congressional Rs are.

My parents were fans of the elder Bush because he was a Republican. Real party-line thinkers, those two. Rush Limbaugh die-hards and conservative Christian Republicans to the last.

220 Interesting Times  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:18:02pm

re: #216 Amory Blaine

Koch Group Throws Boozy Anti-Obamacare Tailgate Party At College Football Game

Conservatives honoring America.

Ironic, because boozy tailgate parties are exactly the sort of thing that could result in young people needing Obamacare…

221 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:18:33pm

re: #219 thedopefishlives

My parents were fans of the elder Bush because he was a Republican. Real party-line thinkers, those two. Rush Limbaugh die-hards and conservative Christian Republicans to the last.

I think my parents were too busy raising my brother and I to really think about politics. I’ll admit, Bush 41 is a man who’s grown on me in recent years. I still have some problems with him, i.e. the Horton Ad but I think he’s been a terrific former president and I really do feel the GOP needs more like him today.

222 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:20:04pm

re: #220 Interesting Times

Ironic, because boozy tailgate parties are exactly the sort of thing that could result in young people needing Obamacare…

Yep it’s all fun and games until someone gets sick and then this group will be like “Oh, you should have shown more personal responsibility.” What a load of crap to pry gullible college kids to their plan by using something as good as booze.

223 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:20:31pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I think my parents were too busy raising my brother and I to really think about politics. I’ll admit, Bush 41 is a man who’s grown on me in recent years. I still have some problems with him, i.e. the Horton Ad but I think he’s been a terrific former president and I really do feel the GOP needs more like him today.

When Dad got promoted to corporate headquarters, early in my childhood, my mom was able to make the switch to a full-time stay-at-home mom. That’s kind of when the political leanings took a strong uptick.

224 Kragar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:20:33pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

New keyboard shortcut: anywhere on a comment page, type the c key and you’ll jump down to the comment form, ready to post.

HE’S A SORCERER!!!

225 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:21:59pm

re: #224 Kragar

HE’S A SORCERER!!!

It works!

226 Kragar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:23:40pm

re: #225 prairiefire

It works!

Youtube Video

227 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:24:26pm

re: #224 Kragar

HE’S A SORCERER!!!

Before people start saying, “It doesn’t work” be advised you must refresh the page first. : )

228 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:24:43pm

re: #223 thedopefishlives

When Dad got promoted to corporate headquarters, early in my childhood, my mom was able to make the switch to a full-time stay-at-home mom. That’s kind of when the political leanings took a strong uptick.

Ah that will do it. I don’t remember my parents being that politically interested. My grandparents on both sides I knew were Democrats and Dad did take me to Clinton’s first inaugural but he’s always joked that he wanted the Democrats to win because he knew they could get better musicians to play for them.

229 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:26:24pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

New keyboard shortcut: anywhere on a comment page, type the c key and you’ll jump down to the comment form, ready to post.

Finally…nice.

230 Odie Hugh Manatee  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:28:43pm

re: #199 Amory Blaine

I’ll bring the beer!

Bring some good ear plugs too. Also.

231 Kragar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:32:10pm

Well, back from my game. After a disastrous 1st turn, I was able to regroup and slog out a late game win thanks to my infiltrators working out much better than expected.

232 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:38:31pm

re: #231 Kragar

Well, back from my game. After a disastrous 1st turn, I was able to regroup and slog out a late game win thanks to my infiltrators working out much better than expected.

Was one of them Edward Snowden, then?

233 darthstar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:42:16pm
234 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:44:58pm

re: #233 darthstar

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You can tell in the photos that Obama is genuinely touched meeting veterans. I still remember one of the first times I saw him speak back when he was still a senator when he would talk about how proud he was of his grandfather who served during WWII with Patton’s Army. Anyone who thinks that veterans don’t respect this president or vice versa already made up their made how THEY felt about President Obama years ago.

235 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:45:12pm

Oh FFS:

Marco Rubio Raising Money for Group That Tries to Turn Gay People Straight

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) will speak at a fundraising dinner this week honoring Mat Staver, an ardent anti-gay activist who has defended Malawi’s ban on homosexuality. Staver is suing New Jersey GOP Gov. Chris Christie for signing a law banning gay-to-straight conversion therapy, and has said that teaching gay rights in schools is tantamount to “sexual assault.”

Rubio, a possible GOP presidential candidate in 2016, will deliver the keynote address at the annual fundraiser for the Florida Family Policy Council, a prominent social conservative organization that promotes so-called “conversion therapy” to help LGBT individuals become straight. Conversion therapy has been condemned as a form of abuse by psychologists. It is banned outright in a handful of states beyond New Jersey, including California. The American Psychiatric Association, which does not endorse conversion therapy, says the practice is at best ineffective and at worst can “reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient.”

236 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:45:53pm

re: #232 thedopefishlives

Was one of them Edward Snowden, then?

No, Kragar stuffed Snowden into a tiny spaceship labeled “Eye of Terror or Bust”.

237 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:45:57pm

The good news, the dog doesn’t have mange (aka demodex mites). The bad news, the staph infection in her skin still isn’t gone, so it’s two more weeks of antibiotics. This stuff is starting to get expensive. 200 bucks so far. Sigh. But she’s getting better, so that’s the good thing.

I also somehow ended up with a brief, but not at all amusing bout of food poisoning. Threw up at the vet’s office and let’s just say the ride home, while brief, was not at all fun. I’m better now, 8 hours later. And that dog, never left my side at all today. Laid in the bed with me and snuggled right up to me the whole time til The Husband got home. 80 lbs of German Shepard/Doberman mix curled up as close to me as she could get giving me teeny little dog kisses every once in awhile. I love that doggie.

238 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:48:53pm

re: #235 The Ghost of a Flea

Oh FFS:

Marco Rubio Raising Money for Group That Tries to Turn Gay People Straight

Well aren’t you a lovely pile of shit, Marco? Thanks for reminding us that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul aren’t the only dipshits we’ve elected to the Senate in the past few years and why despite your reasonable language on immigration, you’re still a right wing nutjob who shouldn’t be in the Senate let alone the WH.

239 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:50:39pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Well aren’t you a lovely pile of shit, Marco? Thanks for reminding us that Ted Cruz and Rand Paul aren’t the only dipshits we’ve elected to the Senate in the past few years and why despite your reasonable language on immigration, you’re still a right wing nutjob who shouldn’t be in the Senate let alone the WH.

Mat Staver is an ugly piece of work. The anti-gay thing is just the part currently visible. He’s also an anti-abortion, Christian nationalist, anti-evolution, etc.

240 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:51:05pm

re: #235 The Ghost of a Flea

All I can say is that the 2016 GOP pres. race is lining up to be the biggest freak show in history, and after the one in 2012, that’s going to really be something.

241 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:51:51pm

re: #239 The Ghost of a Flea

Mat Staver is an ugly piece of work. The anti-gay thing is just the part currently visible. He’s also an anti-abortion, Christian nationalist, anti-evolution, etc.

Yeah I thought I remembered the name since he spells it different than most people named Matt. I hope the DSCC has someone good in mind to challenge Rubio in 2016. Floridans deserve better than this immature asshole.

242 Whack-A-Mole  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:52:30pm

re: #231 Kragar

Just out of curiosity, any Blood Bowl players out there?

243 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:52:44pm

re: #240 Skip Intro

All I can say is that the 2016 GOP pres. race is lining up to be the biggest freak show in history, and after the one in 2012, that’s going to really be something.

Yeah if Christie’s the most reasonable guy in that bunch. All I can say is “The fuck is wrong with that party.”

244 Lidane  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:54:52pm

Gallup: Americans See 25 as Ideal Age for Women to Have First Child

Well so much for that. I’m 40 and don’t have kids. Guess my usefulness as a woman is over.

////

245 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:55:28pm

New Caribou Barbie, now with the new “Stream of Consciousness” feature.

Caribou Barbie Doll

Just when you think it can’t get any worse, “BANG”, they drag you back in again. The rightwing blogosphere is all a twitter about the possibility of a Cruz - Palin ticket (in any order).

As for me, I’m MORE than fine with that concept.

RBS

246 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:55:39pm

re: #235 The Ghost of a Flea

Anyone else remember when Keynote addresses actually meant something?

247 Kragar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:58:37pm

re: #242 Whack-A-Mole

Just out of curiosity, any Blood Bowl players out there?

Used to play it back in the day.

248 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:59:29pm

absolut moron

if you’re gonna drink moron, why not drink the best?

249 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:01:48pm

re: #231 Kragar

Well, back from my game. After a disastrous 1st turn, I was able to regroup and slog out a late game win thanks to my infiltrators working out much better than expected.

Inquiring minds want to know… did you pull the driver on the first hole, or did you wuss out and play it safe with the 3 iron?

RBS
Who’s lucky, his usual course doesn’t favor the driver on the first 3 holes, so he can use his 4 wood to get a handle on things.

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:02:26pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone else remember when Keynote addresses actually meant something?

They did back in 2004. Both Barak Obama and Zell Miller’s addresses to the Democratic and Republican conventions had a good deal of meaning attached to them. But those two men actually think, whereas Sarah Palin does not.

251 Kragar  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:12:28pm

re: #249 RealityBasedSteve

Inquiring minds want to know… did you pull the driver on the first hole, or did you wuss out and play it safe with the 3 iron?

RBS
Who’s lucky, his usual course doesn’t favor the driver on the first 3 holes, so he can use his 4 wood to get a handle on things.

I spent 1/4 of my points on a tank that got blown up on the first turn of the game and the blast killed 1/3 of another squad that was next to it. I then had to advance across a crossfire before I could charge the objective. I got lucky when my scouts were able to come in behind an enemy squad and cut them down, then come around and take out the enemy commander the next turn.

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:14:51pm

Malala meets Gabrielle Giffords

Image: 561885_10151844720068710_1336937169_n.jpg

253 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:20:01pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Whatever it was that she did before she became famous. Waving snakes, talking in tongues, etc…

254 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:20:21pm

re: #245 RealityBasedSteve

New Caribou Barbie, now with the new “Stream of Consciousness” feature.

Caribou Barbie Doll

Just when you think it can’t get any worse, “BANG”, they drag you back in again. The rightwing blogosphere is all a twitter about the possibility of a Cruz - Palin ticket (in any order).

As for me, I’m MORE than fine with that concept.

RBS

Image: Dream_Team.jpeg

255 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:20:40pm

re: #251 Kragar

I spent 1/4 of my points on a tank that got blown up on the first turn of the game and the blast killed 1/3 of another squad that was next to it. I then had to advance across a crossfire before I could charge the objective. I got lucky when my scouts were able to come in behind an enemy squad and cut them down, then come around and take out the enemy commander the next turn.

boy, do I feel as stupid as a palin. For some reason I seem to recall that you were going to go play golf, and were debating driver vs 3 iron of the first tee.

RBS
As they used to say on the OLD Saturday Nite Live… Never mind.

256 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:23:01pm

what the well dressed wingnut is thinking this evening…

“The success of the “war on women” strategy, along with conervsations I have had with women I respect (who are all intelligent, professionally employed women) immediately after the re-election of President Obama have convinced me that we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.

I am dead serious about this.”

this on a well known right wing female blogger’s site

257 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:24:22pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

The rightwing blogosphere is all a twitter about the possibility of a Cruz - Palin ticket (in any order).

CRUZAPALOOZA!

258 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:24:32pm

re: #256 dog philosopher

what the well dressed wingnut is thinking this evening…

“The success of the “war on women” strategy, along with conervsations I have had with women I respect (who are all intelligent, professionally employed women) immediately after the re-election of President Obama have convinced me that we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.

I am dead serious about this.”

this on a well known right wing female blogger’s site

Coulter, Malkin, or Geller?

259 Belafon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:26:35pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

I got a similar reaction when I countered an argument. They all go like this:

Person: Some argument
Me: Fact countering argument.
Person: Yeah, but they’re Democrats. I changed the subject, therefore i win.

260 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:28:21pm

re: #256 dog philosopher

what the well dressed wingnut is thinking this evening…

“The success of the “war on women” strategy, along with conervsations I have had with women I respect (who are all intelligent, professionally employed women) immediately after the re-election of President Obama have convinced me that we need to repeal the 19th Amendment.

I am dead serious about this.”

this on a well known right wing female blogger’s site

Real ladies versus sluts and nags distinction.

The former get to play umpire and declare what’s good for all women; if anyone designated the latter disagrees…well, they don’t really count, right?

261 andres  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:35:04pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Coulter, Malkin, or Geller?

It ain’t a shriek, so it ain’t Geller.

Of the three, my money is on Coulter.

Not that there’s much distinction between the three.

262 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:36:53pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

Coulter, Malkin, or Geller?

not as well known as any of those:

betsyspage.blogspot.com

from a comment in the top post today

263 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:42:01pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

My first comment on the subject was not directed at you, but you had the courage to respond. It was of course Egregious Philbin (whose nic I love) who made me cringe first. I’m still not trying to get on your case, but I am taking all opportunities to make my feelings on this clear.

It’s the ‘baking cookies’ phrase. Implying women shouldn’t do whatever is just not as sexist as saying they should go bake cookies. It’s classist as well as sexist.

And don’t get me started on ‘white trash’.

:)

By “baking cookies” I meant that she should go home and do all that traditional Christmas crap that she talks about when she abandons her family to do endless press junkets. You could easily substitute hanging wreaths or whatever else “hello quitty” thinks is under attack. For someone that is all about the family and all that, she sure has no problems dumping the kids off on dad or whoever and going out to chase the $$$. (As for the nic, Philbin is my grandmother’s last name, and I love the nic too!)

264 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:52:38pm

FYI: Jaws on TCM.

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:53:21pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

FYI: Jaws on TCM.

Palin got another reality show?
/

266 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 5:56:30pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

FYI: Jaws on TCM.

Geez, I remember when that first came out. The first couple summers after High School a three of my HS buddies and I would pile in Merv’s Rambler and go down to Ocean City, MD. One time, the last night we were there, we went to see “Jaws”.

When I came out of the theater, I avoided getting close to puddles. That’s an effective scary movie, when it hits that hard!

267 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:03:29pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

They did back in 2004. Both Barak Obama and Zell Miller’s addresses to the Democratic and Republican conventions had a good deal of meaning attached to them. But those two men actually think, whereas Sarah Palin does not.

What was the meaning behind Zell Miller’s speech?

268 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:11:00pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

What was the meaning behind Zell Miller’s speech?

“If we elect John Kerry, we’ll all be murdered in our beds!!!”

269 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:14:10pm

HURR HURR

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:19:29pm

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

[Embedded content]

He doesn’t believe a Reuters photo is real?
derp…

271 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:25:22pm

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

He doesn’t believe a Reuters photo is real?
derp…

Also, AP and Getty Images.

MAINSTREAM MEDIA! HURR HURR.

272 jaunte  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:27:05pm

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

These people need help accepting reality. Thanks for your efforts.

273 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:31:01pm

This sucks.

274 Ming  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:31:19pm

re: #19 Feline Fearless Leader

Should ask her what she thinks about FDA sanctioned torte reform to cut out trans-fats.
/// :p

Sure, she can go from tort to torte. Reminds me of her segue from Sputnik to Spudnuts.

275 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:36:01pm

re: #267 jamesfirecat

What was the meaning behind Zell Miller’s speech?

That the Democrats were on the wrong track nominating Kerry, and were not well suited to lead the nation in a time of war.

Agree or disagree (I happen to think Miller was right about the Dems of 2004), that was what Miller’s appearance and speech meant. He wasn’t some crazy, he was someone who felt his party was wrong (Remember that he was a life-long Dem) and that George W. Bush was the better man for the job of president.

276 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 6:57:38pm

re: #253 Egregious Philbin

Whatever it was that she did before she became famous. Waving snakes, talking in tongues, etc…

Speaking in tongues and waving around snakes do not necessarily go together. Sarah had a “laying on of hands” type of blessing/prayer of protection against demons of assorted types, by a preacher from Africa. A quite homophobic one, if I remember correctly

277 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 7:36:43pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

That the Democrats were on the wrong track nominating Kerry, and were not well suited to lead the nation in a time of war.

Agree or disagree (I happen to think Miller was right about the Dems of 2004), that was what Miller’s appearance and speech meant. He wasn’t some crazy, he was someone who felt his party was wrong (Remember that he was a life-long Dem) and that George W. Bush was the better man for the job of president.

Yes he was a lifelong Dem from the very red state of Georgia, in point of fact while he was not crazy he was at the very least fringe and not necessarily speaking for the mainstream democratic and especially not liberal thought at the time.

I think you give Zell and his words more credit than they deserve.


Also how in your eyes did the Democratic Party change between 2004 and 2008 to make us suited or lead a nation in time of war?

278 sagehen  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 8:10:46pm

re: #277 jamesfirecat

Yes he was a >lifelong Also how in your eyes did the Democratic Party change between 2004 and 2008 to make us suited or lead a nation in time of war?

um… in 2008 the Democratic Party nominated a guy whose main selling point (compared to his primaries opponent) was that he was the guy who didn’t think we should have gone to Iraq. The guy whose approach to the ongoing wartime was “let’s end this shit.”

279 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Nov 11, 2013 9:45:01pm

re: #244 Lidane

Gallup: Americans See 25 as Ideal Age for Women to Have First Child

Well so much for that. I’m 40 and don’t have kids. Guess my usefulness as a woman is over.

////

Are we sure Gallup wasn’t polling people in China? I’ve got students and former students fretting that they’ll be over the hill at 25 and will never find a husband to start a family.

280 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:35:38am

Here, let me try to help

The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America (individual mandates, healthcare exchanges, no more pre-existing condition exclusions) that certainly does need more help so that there’s more competition (healthcare exchanges), there’s less tort reform threat, there’s less, um, trajectory of the cost increases (less cost by making sure healthy people pay for insurance), and those plans have been proposed over and over again (by Democrats and reasonable Republicans). And what thwarts those plans, it’s the far (right) left, it’s (Teabag partiers) President Obama and his supporters who will not allow the (Democrats) Republicans to usher in (universal) free market, patient-centered, doctor patient relationship links to reform health care.


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