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1 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 2:56:48pm

Almost 6 pm on the East Coast which reminds me that it’s time to ask our conservative congress how the beefed up funding for embassies and consolates around the world is going? You know, to prevent another BENGHAZI from ever happening again.

2 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 2:57:37pm

At 2:06 (and after) in the Colbert Report, did Logan lead her “witness” by providing part of “his” narrative?

Was this “interview” actually a collaboration?

3 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 2:58:59pm

“We Report, But You Should Really Check With Someone Else.”

HA!

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:09:01pm
5 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:09:50pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Dude, that looks like something out of an LOTR movie.

6 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:11:12pm
7 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:13:35pm
8 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:14:41pm

Haha, who knew Sam Waterston was so funny?

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:16:40pm

Frank says:
Anyone who is disturbed by the idea of newts in a nightclub is potentially dangerous.

But what about salamanders?
:)

10 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:20:05pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

At 2:06 (and after) in the Colbert Report, did Logan lead her “witness” by providing part of “his” narrative?

Was this “interview” actually a collaboration?

Yeah, I noticed that. In a sane broadcast news industry, Logan would be fired.

But the broadcast news industry is no longer sane.

11 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:20:25pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

Haha, who knew Sam Waterston was so funny?

I recall a man who said, “with great power comes great responsibility.” That man was Spider-Man’s uncle!

12 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:21:31pm

When you’re a newscast that lies, obfuscates and creates your own slant on the news on an hourly basis 24/7, you can get by with a lot.

On the other hand, CBS won’t be able to do enough mea culpas or damage control to salvage its reputation for a long time.

Or is CBS and every other news station out there just taking the lead of Fox?

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:25:38pm

re: #7 Kragar

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Heh I’ve been saying that too.

14 psddluva4evah  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:29:37pm

Oh for fudges sake:


Ugh. Well, I guess the whole message discipline from that whole shut down bidness is over and Dems are back to eating their own damn faces!!

CNN’s Dana Bash: Friday ‘De Facto Deadline’ Before Dems ‘Defy’ Obama, Back GOP’s Obamacare Fixes
by Noah Rothman

15 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:30:11pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Heh I’ve been saying that too.

I actually beg to differ. They’ll try to claim it because they will realize that, once again, they were on the losing side of history.

16 psddluva4evah  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:31:10pm

re: #14 psddluva4evah

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:31:30pm

welp…first sign of winter a few minutes ago (and it wasn’t snow).
Possum on the porch.

18 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:32:58pm

re: #14 psddluva4evah

Oh for fudges sake:

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Ugh. Well, I guess the whole message discipline from that whole shut down bidness is over and Dems are back to eating their own damn faces!!

CNN’s Dana Bash: Friday ‘De Facto Deadline’ Before Dems ‘Defy’ Obama, Back GOP’s Obamacare Fixes
by Noah Rothman

It’s an election year, of course the nitwits are running scared. They did the same thing in ‘10, running against the ACA because they were assured that public disapproval would wipe out any Dems who were seen as associated with it.

19 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:33:04pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp…first sign of winter a few minutes ago (and it wasn’t snow).
Possum on the porch.

Knocking?

20 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:38:07pm
21 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:38:55pm

re: #7 Kragar

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…and claiming that folks like Elizabeth Warren were really conservative heroes.

22 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:40:01pm

re: #21 BongCrodny

…and claiming that folks like Elizabeth Warren were really conservative heroes.

“We Libertarians always supported conservative heroes like Warren and Clinton.”

23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:40:36pm

DKOS is really excited today about the prospect of damaged US-Israel relations.

White House Publicly Breaking with Israel on … Palestine

With supporting links to the anti-Israel hate site 972mag. As usual the idiots at DKos get it wrong, US complaints about settlements is nothing new (yes, Bush did it too). Cutting a bad deal with Iran would be another matter.

24 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:42:16pm

re: #20 Kragar

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Nothing says “environmentalism” better than Dow chemical made spray paint in the water.

25 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:44:13pm

re: #14 psddluva4evah

Oh for fudges sake:

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Ugh. Well, I guess the whole message discipline from that whole shut down bidness is over and Dems are back to eating their own damn faces!!

CNN’s Dana Bash: Friday ‘De Facto Deadline’ Before Dems ‘Defy’ Obama, Back GOP’s Obamacare Fixes
by Noah Rothman

Messaging aside, I don’t think that’s a very good idea.

26 psddluva4evah  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:44:34pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

exactly. SMDH. Dems have short memories about how that did for them last time…

27 psddluva4evah  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:46:01pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

as my 2nd tweet post says, putting aside messaging issues, the bill would actually serve to undermine the ACA. It doesn’t help the bill AT all. Just a short term fix for the few up for re-election, but by undermining the law they do nothing for long term fixes.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:46:12pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Messaging aside, I don’t think that’s a very good idea.

It’s not, but messaging is what’s got them running scared. GOP’s bill is a joke, it’s a variation on their defund push by just giving younger individual policy holders incentive to wait things out a year.

29 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:46:14pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

DKOS is really excited today about the prospect of damaged US-Israel relations.

White House Publicly Breaking with Israel on … Palestine

With supporting links to the anti-Israel hate site 972mag. As usual the idiots at DKos get it wrong, US complaints about settlements is nothing new (yes, Bush did it too). Cutting a bad deal with Iran would be another matter.

That doesn’t make any sense, with this coming out.

Israel halts plans to explore new settlements

bigstory.ap.org

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s prime minister on Tuesday abruptly halted a plan to explore the potential construction of thousands of new homes in West Bank settlements, saying it had created an “unnecessary confrontation” with the international community that threatened to weaken his campaign against Iran’s suspect nuclear program.

“The plan announced by Israel’s Housing Ministry earlier in the day had prompted a Palestinian threat to walk out of U.S.-brokered peace talks and drew angry criticism from officials in Washington, who said they had been blindsided by the move.

“In a statement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had asked his housing minister, Uri Ariel, to “reconsider” the plan. He noted that Ariel, a member of the pro-settlement Jewish Home Party, had drawn up the plan “without any advance coordination.”

30 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:53:14pm
31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:56:55pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

Knocking?

yeppers.
And the goofy hound is driving me crazy…

32 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:57:26pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

That doesn’t make any sense, with this coming out.

Israel halts plans to explore new settlements

bigstory.ap.org

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s prime minister on Tuesday abruptly halted a plan to explore the potential construction of thousands of new homes in West Bank settlements, saying it had created an “unnecessary confrontation” with the international community that threatened to weaken his campaign against Iran’s suspect nuclear program.

“The plan announced by Israel’s Housing Ministry earlier in the day had prompted a Palestinian threat to walk out of U.S.-brokered peace talks and drew angry criticism from officials in Washington, who said they had been blindsided by the move.

“In a statement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had asked his housing minister, Uri Ariel, to “reconsider” the plan. He noted that Ariel, a member of the pro-settlement Jewish Home Party, had drawn up the plan “without any advance coordination.”

Yeah, I don’t get it either.

33 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:00:29pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

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That’s just really obscene.

34 darthstar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:05:56pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

Borrowed one of my employees’ dolls.

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:06:17pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

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Do I want to know why there is a Medal of Honor hanging on the wall behind that pack of hyenas?

36 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:11:06pm

Speaking of message unity, it doesn’t look like Obama’s call to ease sanctions on Iran is going anywhere.
Sen. Menendez: Iran’s record of deception

We cannot substitute wild-eyed hope for clear-eyed pragmatism

It’s interesting to see a Dem senator and Robert Frum on the same page.
Memendez:

“Iran is on the ropes because of its intransigent policies and our collective will, and it would be imprudent to want an agreement more than the Iranians do.”

Frum: cnn.com

“The Obama administration wants an Iranian nuclear deal more than Iran does.

By most reports, it was the United States that came to Geneva armed with proposals, and Iran that did most of the refusing.”

37 darthstar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:15:59pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

This is great news for John McCain!

38 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:17:57pm

And step forward:

Hawaii Senate Passes Gay Marriage Bill, Guv Expected To Sign

The Hawaii Senate on Tuesday passed a marriage equality bill by a 19-4 margin.

The House already passed the measure, which expands religious exemptions, and Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) has indicated he will sign the bill. Gay couples can start obtaining their marriage licenses on Dec. 2.

Hawaii will become the 15th state to legalize gay marriage.

The Illinois legislature also passed gay marriage legislation last week, and Gov. Pat Quinn (D) is expected to sign the bill before the end of November.

39 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:22:00pm

re: #37 darthstar

This is great news for John McCain!

I heard mumblings that he might run for Pres again. He should stay home and think about retiring.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:23:05pm

re: #34 darthstar

Borrowed one of my employees’ dolls.

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they need more snarls…

41 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:24:33pm

Did anyone watch the press conference today? I’m seeing this reported a lot
White House Blasts New Iran Sanctions as “March to War”

Really? This is kind of a headscratcher to me. I’ve been on board with Obama’s foreign policy but he’s losing me in his second term.

42 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:25:26pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

Do I want to know why there is a Medal of Honor hanging on the wall behind that pack of hyenas?

They bought it.

43 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:26:16pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Did anyone watch the press conference today? I’m seeing this reported a lot
White House Blasts New Iran Sanctions as “March to War”

Really? This is kind of a headscratcher to me. I’ve been on board with Obama’s foreign policy but he’s losing me in his second term.

talk to the frogs.

44 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:28:04pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

That doesn’t make any sense, with this coming out.

Israel halts plans to explore new settlements

bigstory.ap.org

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s prime minister on Tuesday abruptly halted a plan to explore the potential construction of thousands of new homes in West Bank settlements, saying it had created an “unnecessary confrontation” with the international community that threatened to weaken his campaign against Iran’s suspect nuclear program.

“The plan announced by Israel’s Housing Ministry earlier in the day had prompted a Palestinian threat to walk out of U.S.-brokered peace talks and drew angry criticism from officials in Washington, who said they had been blindsided by the move.

“In a statement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had asked his housing minister, Uri Ariel, to “reconsider” the plan. He noted that Ariel, a member of the pro-settlement Jewish Home Party, had drawn up the plan “without any advance coordination.”

I’m confused. The plan existed. The US objected. Netanyahu pulled the plan. And now you don’t get why the US objected (past tense) to a plan that doesn’t exist (present tense)?

45 darthstar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:28:27pm

More O’Keefe bullshit.

The Urban League said in a statement on Tuesday it “does not condone, nor would we ever sanction, misleading the public or any individual who seeks our assistance about any issue, and particularly in this case, an issue as critical as health care.”

The Urban League said the person fired was a “part-time receptionist trainee” who was not authorized to speak on behalf of The Urban League or act as a Navigator and said it supports decertifying three “Navigators-in-training” in the video.

The Urban League also called for the unedited video of the incidents to be released. It said the undercover applicants were told the people they were speaking to were Navigators-in-training and “the full context of these comments is not reflected in the video.”

Read more: myfoxdfw.com

46 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:30:39pm

re: #45 darthstar

More O’Keefe bullshit.

Selective quoting and deceptive editing from O’Keefe?

My surprise, it seems to be missing.

47 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:31:27pm

re: #45 darthstar

More O’Keefe bullshit.

Another O’Keefe con job. But Cornyn’s already calling for a suspension of the Navigator program and you can be sure other Republicans will be quick to join the cause. Red state Dems won’t be far behind.

48 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:31:40pm

Prudence keeps Tweeting this shit like it’s some “words of wisdom.”
Oh! I know the answer! It’s whatever is the Walton family’s “fair share” of all that their underpaid employees work for.

49 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:35:05pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

50 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:35:43pm
51 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:38:09pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Prudence keeps Tweeting this shit like it’s some “words of wisdom.”
Oh! I know the answer! It’s whatever is the Walton family’s “fair share” of all that their underpaid employees work for.

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“Earned”? How many trust fund kiddies have “earned” their wealth?

52 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:41:30pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Question for Liberals: What is your ‘fair share’ of what someone else has”

how often do you wash your own dinnerplate?

53 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:41:57pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

re: #51 Targetpractice

6 Things Rich People Need to Stop Saying

Read more: cracked.com

54 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:42:56pm

Somebody just shoot me now and put me out of my misery. I’ve got to teach a class tomorrow on VBA in Excel 2010. I HATE VBA with a passion, and the fact that the course is one of the worst I’ve seen on the subject doesn’t make it any better.

My boss owes me after this… Project today (another thing I hate), VBA Tomorrow. At least next week I get to go back and start doing week long C# and SQL Admin type stuff.

I guess it could be worse, it could be PowerPoint Level 1.

/FutileRant

RBS

55 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:43:43pm

Better question, Prudence, how many Fortune 500 CEOs you think worked themselves up all the way from the bottom? Started working at entry-level and got to the top of the heap all under their own power?

56 b.d.  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:45:14pm

re: #45 darthstar

More O’Keefe bullshit.

I thought O’Keefe was in jail or had a court order not to leave his parent’s house?

57 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:46:32pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Prudence keeps Tweeting this shit like it’s some “words of wisdom.”

somebody should ask prudence to pony up her biography since she’s so eager to criticize others

58 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:48:31pm

Question for Liberals: What is your ‘fair share’ of what someone else has earned?”

so many false assumptions, so little time

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:50:53pm

re: #56 b.d.

I thought O’Keefe was in jail or had a court order not to leave his parent’s house?

He was sentenced to 3 years probation in ‘10, so I think it’s up by now.

60 piratedan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:52:21pm

re: #58 dog philosopher

Question for Liberals: What is your ‘fair share’ of what someone else has earned?”

so many false assumptions, so little time

question for Conservatives, what is your “fair share” of someone else’s labour?

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:54:49pm

One of my favorite FB pages is God’s page:

The winner of SMITE DAY are all the retailers who are opening earlier on Thanksgiving, thus forcing people to work on their holiday.

What a bunch of greedy scumbags! Can’t they just let people have a day off?!

And you know who else deserves a smite? All the consumers who will actually GO to the mall ON Thanksgiving. These people want to stuff their faces and then immediately go buy things.

What a bunch of assholes! Whatever happened to taking a crap and passing out on the couch?!?

I’LL SMITE ALL OF THESE JERKS! There will hardly be enough stuffing or pumpkin pie for them! And the LORD shall make all of their Thanksgiving turkeys dry…DRY AS SANDPAPER! Finally, stampedes. Lots of stampedes.

SMITE! SMITE! SMITE!

facebook.com

62 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:58:34pm

re: #60 piratedan

question for Conservatives, what is your “fair share” of someone else’s labour?

i don’t even know who he thinks he’s talking to - clearly, he’s assuming 1) somebody who gets some “share” of other people’s labor, and 2) somebody who he thinks has some theory that they deserve this “share”

for me personally i can’t even think of of how i could be described as receiving any “share” of somebody else’s labor since i seem to be contributing to the welfare of the bank (via my mortgage) than anybody else

what is the bank’s “fair share” of my labor, i might ask, that i pay them for the privilege of taking 30 years to pay off my house?

63 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:58:40pm
64 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:00:16pm
65 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:04:07pm

Fucking morons. I’d leave my job in a heart beat if I could find another job right now and becoming my own boss would require me having start up capital.

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:04:21pm
67 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:05:09pm

re: #64 Kragar

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Yes, if they don’t like a job, they can sacrifice seniority, any pay raises, and their health insurance…assuming they’re lucky enough to have another job lined up. Otherwise, it’s keep an abusive, thankless job or go on unemployment with the hope that a better job comes available. And the first thing anybody who sees a person who voluntarily quit his job without having another in mind is going to think is “This guy’s gonna run the moment he gets frustrated with this job.”

68 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:07:06pm

re: #64 Kragar

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I believe the recent high unemployment recession demonstrated how this is false.

69 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:08:56pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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Good. His earlier remark on it was much too short. I knew he had more in him.

70 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:10:47pm

Cohen’s poor widdle feewings were hurt by people calling him a racist. Sorry, but as hard as I try, I can’t work up any tears for his plight.

71 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:15:40pm

re: #64 Kragar

Workers can leave and find another job or become their own boss!

My Little Pony economics

72 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:20:48pm

re: #60 piratedan

question for Conservatives, what is your “fair share” of someone else’s labour?

I’m not certain this “fair share” argument should be defined as conservative vs. liberal, but rather rich vs. poor.

I’ve mentioned a few times in the past that I’ve been taking a medical transcription course through a VA program.

I’ve learned that while there are any number of medical transcription jobs out there, it’s a race to the bottom.

Case in point: a few months ago, the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center announced that it was laying off 128 medical transcribers, but said that all their medical transcribers would be offered jobs at Nuance, the company that UPMC’s transcription department was being outsourced to.

UPMC had been paying its transcribers decent-if-not-spectacular money, around $12 per hour for less experienced up to around $22 for their senior transcribers.

But there are a shitload of horror stories on the medical transcription boards about what a horror show Nuance is, firing people without notice, ignoring transcriptionists’ telephone calls, etc. One transcriber working for Nuance posted that she had been given an extra $26 in her most recent paycheck just to bring it up to minimum wage.

Here’s the first punchline: The President and CEO of UMPC, Jeffrey Romoff, made nearly six million dollars in 2010.

Here’s the second punchline: Jeffrey Romoff made over $18,000 in political contributions in 2010, and 90% of those contributions were to Democrats.

Once again, it seems as though there’s plenty of money for the folks at the top — whether blue or red — while those of us “circling the drain” have to be content with the table scraps they throw our way.

73 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:24:44pm

re: #65 Kragar

Fucking morons. I’d leave my job in a heart beat if I could find another job right now and becoming my own boss would require me having start up capital.

HURR HURR STOP SAYING WALMART USES “SLAVE LABOR” NOBODY IS FORCED TO WORK THEIR!!!! THEY CAN LEAVE ANYTIME THEY WANT SO IT’S NOT SLAVERY!!!!!111!!!

SLAVERY IS TEH WALTONS PAYING INCOME TAX!!!!11!!!1!1111!

Srsly I can’t believe you got jjauthor to actually give you a personal Derp. I thought that was just a spambot that spit out wingnut talking points at regularly scheduled intervals.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:26:00pm

re: #71 dog philosopher

My Little Pony economics

SpongeBob economics!

75 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:30:32pm

re: #72 BongCrodny

Here are some of those horror stories. Terrible.

76 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:32:40pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of my favorite FB pages is God’s page:

facebook.com

You know what? I’ll not down ding you for this. But as an individual who works in an industry (Gaming) that doesn’t recognize holidays, I really get sick and tired of hearing this crap.

When I took the job, I was informed that not having holidays off was part of the bargain. Hell, I don’t even get time and a half for working them. Why? Becauses I agreed to it when I signed my name on the bottom line.

BTW, do you know who else doesn’t recognize holidays and doesn’t pay time and a half for working them?

77 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:36:11pm

re: #65 Kragar

Fucking morons. I’d leave my job in a heart beat if I could find another job right now and becoming my own boss would require me having start up capital.

Just borrow $20,000 from your parents. Duh.

78 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:40:39pm

This is what raw McRib looks like.

Since I keep kosher and I live in a place that doesn’t have any decent kosher restaurants, I miss out on this…treat.

MOAR 4 U!!!!

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:43:35pm

re: #76 Bubblehead II

You know what? I’ll not down ding you for this. But as an individual who works in an industry (Gaming) that doesn’t recognize holidays, I really get sick and tired of hearing this crap.

When I took the job, I was informed that not having holidays off was part of the bargain. Hell, I don’t even get time and a half for working them. Why? Becauses I agreed to it when I signed my name on the bottom line.

BTW, do you know who else doesn’t recognize holidays and doesn’t pay time and a half for working them?

You know what? My husband and I also work in industries that don’t have paid holidays (and no extra pay for working them) or even paid vacations and it’s never bothered us because to us, holidays are just arbitrary days on the calendar. I make my “holidays” when we get a day together.
I just happen to agree with the link because I’m sick and tired of big box retailers forcing their workers to work holidays (and yes, they do force them).
And don’t even get me started on the ridiculousness of “Black Friday”…

80 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:43:54pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

This is what raw McRib looks like.

Since I keep kosher and I live in a place that doesn’t have any decent kosher restaurants, I miss out on this…treat.

MOAR 4 U!!!!

*yawn* Processed meat. Wait until the find out it’s made from soylent green.

81 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:46:39pm

Wingnuts sure does love them some Tom Sowell. Has he ever done anything productive in his life other than be a paid shill for the Koch’s and a paid beard for racists?

82 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:48:03pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

This is what raw McRib looks like.

Since I keep kosher and I live in a place that doesn’t have any decent kosher restaurants, I miss out on this…treat.

MOAR 4 U!!!!

You think that’s gross, this little beauty is uncooked Chicken McNuggets!

Maybe not “chicken” but certainly “chickenesque”

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:52:07pm

re: #14 psddluva4evah

Oh for fudges sake:

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Ugh. Well, I guess the whole message discipline from that whole shut down bidness is over and Dems are back to eating their own damn faces!!

CNN’s Dana Bash: Friday ‘De Facto Deadline’ Before Dems ‘Defy’ Obama, Back GOP’s Obamacare Fixes
by Noah Rothman

It’s just Congress, this is what they do. Sen. Landrieu is up for reelection next year, and as a Democrat in a red state she sees the need to go after Obamacare in order to mollify anti-Obama voters. Diane Feinstein is joining in to do her fellow senator a favor and in order to get of the line of fine from Obama’s ‘you can keep your plan’ misstatement*.

*: Yes, I know he qualified it. But people remember the critical sound byte, not the qualification.

84 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:53:11pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know what? My husband and I also work in industries that don’t have paid holidays (and no extra pay for working them) or even paid vacations and it’s never bothered us because to us, holidays are just arbitrary days on the calendar. I make my “holidays” when we get a day together.
I just happen to agree with the link because I’m sick and tired of big box retailers forcing their workers to work holidays (and yes, they do force them).
And don’t even get me started on the ridiculousness of “Black Friday”…

Really? How so? by threatening to fire them for not working their scheduled hours that may also give them some over time?

Should I call you an Whhaaabulance?

You also didn’t answer my last question.

85 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:54:25pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Someone posted this photo in the McRib thread.

86 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:54:44pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts sure does love them some Tom Sowell. Has he ever done anything productive in his life other than be a paid shill for the Koch’s and a paid beard for racists?

he has an interesting biography

en.wikipedia.org

Sowell was born in Gastonia, North Carolina. His father died shortly before he was born, and his mother, a housemaid, already had four children. A great-aunt and her two grown daughters adopted Sowell and raised him.[2] In his autobiography, A Personal Odyssey, he said his childhood encounters with white people were so limited that he did not believe blond was really a hair color.[3] When Sowell was nine, his family moved from Charlotte, North Carolina to Harlem, New York City. He attended Stuyvesant High School, the first in his family to study beyond the sixth grade. However, he was forced to drop out at age 17 because of financial difficulties and problems in his home.[2] He worked at a number of jobs, including at a machine shop and as a delivery man for Western Union,[4] and tried out for the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1948.[5] Sowell was drafted in 1951, during the Korean War, and was assigned to the United States Marine Corps. Because of his experience in photography, he became a Marine Corps photographer; he also trained Marines in .45-caliber pistol proficiency.

which to my mind demonstrates that coming from a difficult background and being academically brilliant is no proof against being shallower than an aluminum skillet

Sowell has stated that he was a Marxist “during the decade of my 20s”; one of his earliest professional publications was a sympathetic examination of Marxist thought vs. Marxist-Leninist practice.[10] His experience working as a federal government intern during the summer of 1960 caused him to reject Marxian economics in favor of free market economic theory. During his work, Sowell discovered an association between the rise of mandated minimum wages for workers in the sugar industry of Puerto Rico and the rise of unemployment in that industry. Studying the patterns led Sowell to theorize that the government employees who administered the minimum wage law cared more about their own jobs than the plight of the poor.

87 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:55:15pm

re: #64 Kragar

[Embedded content]

She’s probably never worked a day in her life.

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:57:22pm

Walmart Is The Latest Company To Ruin Workers’ Thanksgivings

Walmart has announced it will open its stores at 6 p.m. on Thanksgiving, joining retailers like Target, Best Buy, Kmart, Macy’s, Kohl’s, J.C. Penney, and Toys R Us that are cutting their workforce’s holiday short to pursue holiday season profits. Kmart will open its doors the earliest of all the stores, opening at 6 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day.

“Almost everybody to date has moved up, at least one hour, if not more,” Walmart Chief Marketing Officer Duncan Mac Naughton said Monday. “We thought 6 o’clock was the exact right time to win the weekend.” He explained that the 1 million workers needed to staff stores are “really excited to work that day.”

89 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:58:39pm

re: #87 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s probably never worked a day in her life.

The youngest of nine children and the mother of four, Janie Johnson ranked number one in the United States as a junior tennis player. She received distinction as a three-time All American and Pac Ten Champion at UCLA, and as a former top one hundred professional who competed in all four Grand Slams—Wimbledon, French Open, Australian Open and the US Open. Her extensive travels around the world, as a professional tennis player, helped to inform her political philosophy.

Since leaving the professional tennis circuit, Janie has devoted herself to raising her children and believes that everyday people can and must make a difference in our country

90 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:00:38pm

re: #84 Bubblehead II

Really? How so? by threatening to fire them for not working their scheduled hours that may also give them some over time?

Should I call you an Whhaaabulance?

You also didn’t answer my last question.

Whhhaaabulance?
Seriously?

And yes, there are employees at big box stores who are being told they have to work expanded holiday hours they never had to work before (and that was NOT something they agreed to when they were hired) or they will indeed be fired.
As for your last question, there are loads of employers who do not recognize holidays and don’t pay time and a half for working them. My own employer for example. And myself as a farmer, which is what I do every day of the year when I’m not doing the other gig.

91 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:04:17pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Walmart Is The Latest Company To Ruin Workers’ Thanksgivings

VB, feel free to join up with BWS on hammering me. Because basicly I look at this as a simple employee/employer agreement. You took the job, you will work the hours you are scheduled. You agreed to this when you took the job.
Nothing more, nothing less.

92 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:08:46pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

This is what raw McRib looks like.

Since I keep kosher and I live in a place that doesn’t have any decent kosher restaurants, I miss out on this…treat.

MOAR 4 U!!!!

From a Gawker commenter:

James Bradford
italianator
22

I’d say it’s the gastro-intestinal equivalent of a hate-fuck.

And oddly enough, I’m ok with that.
Today 2:27pm

I LOLed so hard at that.

93 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:08:48pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Walmart Is The Latest Company To Ruin Workers’ Thanksgivings

Glad to know he’s polled all 1 million workers and reached the conclusion that they’re all “really excited” to be told that they’ll have to cut family time short so that they can take care of the legions of greedy assholes who will also be cutting their holiday short to fight over this year’s “must have” overpriced piece of shit because it’s marked down a few bucks.

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:10:34pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

VB, feel free to join up with BWS on hammering me. Because basicly I look at this as a simple employee/employer agreement. You took the job, you will work the hours you are scheduled. You agreed to this when you took the job.
Nothing more, nothing less.

I hear you, though I really am going to side with VB on this one. Thanksgiving is a day when big box stores shouldn’t be open. I’d make an exception for Wal Marts that are the primary grocer for an area, but a place like Macy’s should not be open that day.

Do big boxes and department stores have a legal right to be open on Thanksgiving Day? Yes, they do. And provided they give proper scheduling notice, they have the right to demand their workers work on Thanksgiving. But Alouette and I both have the right to think that stores that do that are acting like assholes.

95 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:13:55pm

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:14:30pm

Personally, I’ve been disgusted of the concept of Black Friday since I saw people actually getting the shit beat out of them for trying to be first in line for a Tickle-Me-Elmo doll. If you have nothing better to do than be sitting outside a big box store at 5:59pm on Thanksgiving day, clamoring for them to open the doors so you can bludgeon other people for the chance to get to that stack of XBoxes before somebody else does, then you’ve got serious problems.

97 Joanne  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:16:38pm

re: #6 Kragar

More problematic CBS sourcing: Its Obamacare report was based on “partial transcript” leaked by Darrell Issa mm4a.org
5:37 PM - 12 Nov 2013

Awesome. CBS…the new CNN.

98 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:16:54pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

VB, feel free to join up with BWS on hammering me. Because basicly I look at this as a simple employee/employer agreement. You took the job, you will work the hours you are scheduled. You agreed to this when you took the job.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Except a sometimes there isn’t an agreement, because WalMart and other big-box stores dick with people’s work schedules on regular basis.

I watch this with my friends that work retail at places like Lowes and Walmart. Technically you have a schedule, but it’s also understood that if the manager says “we need you to fill these hours” your job is at stake if you don’t. So more and more they’re “filling in hours” rather than working a shift. This includes blocs during the holidays.

99 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:18:15pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whhhaaabulance?
Seriously?

OK, so I was a bit dramatic there :-)

And yes, there are employees at big box stores who are being told they have to work expanded holiday hours they never had to work before (and that was NOT something they agreed to when they were hired) or they will indeed be fired.

As for your last question, there are loads of employers who do not recognize holidays and don’t pay time and a half for working them. My own employer for example. And myself as a farmer, which is what I do every day of the year when I’m not doing the other gig.

So does your employer A. Doc your wages for not showing up. B. Reduce you in senority and C. toss your ass in jail for failing to fullfill your obligations?

I hope you can see why I have such an attitude toward this so called “outrage”. Because it’s been going on for decades and will continue to do so.

100 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:20:56pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Personally, I’ve been disgusted of the concept of Black Friday since I saw people actually getting the shit beat out of them for trying to be first in line for a Tickle-Me-Elmo doll. If you have nothing better to do than be sitting outside a big box store at 5:59pm on Thanksgiving day, clamoring for them to open the doors so you can bludgeon other people for the chance to get to that stack of XBoxes before somebody else does, then you’ve got serious problems.

Frankly I just take a page from Kragar’s book when that happens. My standard post when that happens is “Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!”

101 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:20:57pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

Except a sometimes there isn’t an agreement, because WalMart and other big-box stores dick with people’s work schedules on regular basis.

I watch this with my friends that work retail at places like Lowes and Walmart. Technically you have a schedule, but it’s also understood that if the manager says “we need you to fill these hours” your job is at stake if you don’t. So more and more they’re “filling in hours” rather than working a shift. This includes blocs during the holidays.

My favorite in the industry is listing you as “on-call.” So you basically have no idea if you’re going to be working, but must schedule your life as though you are. If you don’t get called in, then your manager shrugs about how he scheduled you so many hours that week but didn’t need you for them. If you do, there’s no guarantee you won’t be there for all of an hour before they decide they didn’t really need you and send you home.

102 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:24:56pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

A someone who worked retail for 20 yrs, I was around for the release of the first Cabbage Patch dolls. I was also incredibly pregnant with my first child at the time(she was born on New Year’s Eve). I was physically knocked down and stepped on when I brought out a hand cart full of them one afternoon. I had bruises on my arms and back from assholes stepping on me. That same year I also had a customer throw a bottle of shampoo at me and scream his head off because we were out of some dumbass toy he wanted for his kid.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people who aren’t paid shit to do a tough job to have Thanksgiving and Christmas day off to be with family. It’s enough that when you work in that business you cannot take ANY time off from October to mid-January to visit any out of state family. You sure as hell don’t get bonuses or overtime or anything else. It’s not a lot to ask. For many families it’s the only time they can all be together at once.

103 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:29:07pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka
“Almost everybody to date has moved up, at least one hour, if not more,” Walmart Chief Marketing Officer Duncan Mac Naughton said Monday. “We thought 6 o’clock was the exact right time to win the weekend.” He explained that the 1 million workers needed to staff stores are “really excited to work that day.”

You know, just because the peasants and serfs are getting out the pitchforks and firing up the torches doesn’t ALWAYS mean that they are getting ready to engage in the charming native folks dances passed down from generation to generation.

RBS
Who will be at the Lane Auto Museum on Black Friday, digging on classic cars and getting a ride in one of them probably.

104 alpuz  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:34:11pm

Apparently I’m having issues with LGF on my end. Whenever I try to upding or hit a button I’m being sent to the main page. I’m guessing that’s a javescript thing? I’m in Chrome on OS X Mavericks(it’s been a pain in my ass).

As far as the working on Thanksgiving topic, I worked as a cook for years on every holiday, made shit wages and probably would have been fired if I didn’t show up. Working 3 jobs to get 72-80 hours a week to scrape by as an experienced cook is unacceptable. We’re better than that. Thanksgiving should be a day off.

105 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:34:38pm

re: #103 RealityBasedSteve

“Almost everybody to date has moved up, at least one hour, if not more,” Walmart Chief Marketing Officer Duncan Mac Naughton said Monday. “We thought 6 o’clock was the exact right time to win the weekend.” He explained that the 1 million workers needed to staff stores are “really excited to work that day.”

You know, just because the peasants and serfs are getting out the pitchforks and firing up the torches doesn’t ALWAYS mean that they are getting ready to engage in the charming native folks dances passed down from generation to generation.

RBS
Who will be at the Lane Auto Museum on Black Friday, digging on classic cars and getting a ride in one of them probably.

Mr. MacNoughton figures that the peasants will want to burst in and snatch up some bargains, so he’s not concerned.

[kidding]And if they are hostile he’s got his claymore, so he’s covered there too.[/kidding] (MacNoughton is a Scottish name and the Claymore is the Scottish type of broadsword.)

106 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:36:29pm

OK Lizards, maybe I am not being to clear on this. I took the job. I work the days/hours I am assigned. If I want a particualer day off, I ask for it in advance. Otherwise I do the what the job requires.

107 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:38:58pm

re: #103 RealityBasedSteve

“Almost everybody to date has moved up, at least one hour, if not more,” Walmart Chief Marketing Officer Duncan Mac Naughton said Monday. “We thought 6 o’clock was the exact right time to win the weekend.” He explained that the 1 million workers needed to staff stores are “really excited to work that day.”

You know, just because the peasants and serfs are getting out the pitchforks and firing up the torches doesn’t ALWAYS mean that they are getting ready to engage in the charming native folks dances passed down from generation to generation.

RBS
Who will be at the Lane Auto Museum on Black Friday, digging on classic cars and getting a ride in one of them probably.

You here around Nashville or are you gonna be visiting people here?

108 BishopX  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:42:17pm

re: #106 Bubblehead II

OK Lizards, maybe I am not being to clear on this. I took the job. I work the days/hours I am assigned. If I want a particualer day off, I ask for it in advance. Otherwise I do the what the job requires.

Three years after taking the job you are told you can no longer take holidays off and feeding your family requires that you keep the job. See why that sucks?

Holiday retail has worked a certain way for decades. Now the big box stores are changing how they work to benefit themselves at the expense of their workers family lives and firing anyone who doesn’t get with the program.

109 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:43:04pm

re: #108 BishopX

Three years after taking the job you are told you can no longer take holidays off and feeding your family requires that you keep the job. See why that sucks?

Holiday retail has worked a certain way for decades. Now the big box stores are changing how they work to benefit themselves at the expense of their workers family lives and firing anyone who doesn’t get with the program.

QFT.

110 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:43:19pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

Except a sometimes there isn’t an agreement, because WalMart and other big-box stores dick with people’s work schedules on regular basis.

I watch this with my friends that work retail at places like Lowes and Walmart. Technically you have a schedule, but it’s also understood that if the manager says “we need you to fill these hours” your job is at stake if you don’t. So more and more they’re “filling in hours” rather than working a shift. This includes blocs during the holidays.

Then I will admit my ignorance about retail. Having not worked it, I seriously mistook the situation. My apologies to any Lizards I may have offended

111 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:43:23pm

re: #106 Bubblehead II

OK Lizards, maybe I am not being to clear on this. I took the job. I work the days/hours I am assigned. If I want a particualer day off, I ask for it in advance. Otherwise I do the what the job requires.

“Robin called in sick and you’re the only other person who’s not on the schedule already.”
“But I put in for the whole day a month ago.”
“Sorry, but we need you to fill Robin’s shift.”

112 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:44:44pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

“Robin called in sick and you’re the only other person who’s not on the schedule already.”
“But I put in for the whole day a month ago.”
“Sorry, but we need you to fill Robin’s shift.”

See #110

113 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:45:45pm

re: #112 Bubblehead II

See #110

I was in the process of posting when #110 was posted. I apologize.

114 BishopX  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:46:58pm

re: #112 Bubblehead II

Speaking for myself, I’m not angry at you. I’m angry at the corporations that have enough cultural power to alter society to make themselves more profitable. You just got caught in the back blast :)

115 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:48:20pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

:-)

Stuff happens.

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:48:51pm

re: #115 Bubblehead II

:-)

Stuff happens.

Indeed it do.

117 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:49:34pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

“Robin called in sick and you’re the only other person who’s not on the schedule already.”
“But I put in for the whole day a month ago.”
“Sorry, but we need you to fill Robin’s shift.”

If it’s Thanksgiving, and I’m already on my way to dinner with my family, I’d say “I’m sorry, but I’m already on my way with my parents and my sister to dinner with my extended family. I cannot offend them by demanding they take me in to work and in any case I’m not dressed for it. So, I am sorry but I cannot come in.”

What they do next, is what they do. I’d rather get fired than piss off my family in such a way.

118 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:50:58pm

re: #107 AlexRogan

You here around Nashville or are you gonna be visiting people here?

I’m up in beautiful and exotic Clarksville.

RBS

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:53:51pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

If it’s Thanksgiving, and I’m already on my way to dinner with my family, I’d say “I’m sorry, but I’m already on my way with my parents and my sister to dinner with my extended family. I cannot offend them by demanding they take me in to work and in any case I’m not dressed for it. So, I am sorry but I cannot come in.”

What they do next, is what they do. I’d rather get fired than piss off my family in such a way.

That’s an easy choice when you don’t have children to feed DF. Life gets a shitload harder then.

120 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:55:11pm

re: #118 RealityBasedSteve

I’m up in beautiful and exotic Clarksville.

RBS

I know Clarksville fairly well, at least I used to; I earned my B.S. at Austin Peay, graduated in ‘05.

I’ve lived in and around Nashville pretty much all of my life.

/LET’S GO PEAY!

121 alpuz  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:56:00pm

“Speaking for myself, I’m not angry at you. I’m angry at the corporations that have enough cultural power to alter society to make themselves more profitable. You just got caught in the back blast :)”

I’d give that an upding if I could.

Too many folks being caught in that back blast. Way too many.

And DF @177 would have been fired. At least that’s my experience. Now couple that with the guilt of not getting a paycheck with rent, heating bills being due and Christmas being right around the corner. Brutal.

122 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:56:31pm

…

123 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:58:25pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

If it’s Thanksgiving, and I’m already on my way to dinner with my family, I’d say “I’m sorry, but I’m already on my way with my parents and my sister to dinner with my extended family. I cannot offend them by demanding they take me in to work and in any case I’m not dressed for it. So, I am sorry but I cannot come in.”

What they do next, is what they do. I’d rather get fired than piss off my family in such a way.

That’s a choice if you’re young with few responsibilities and a safe place to lay your head if you do get fired. When that job is what’s keeping your family fed or your rent paid, blowing off your boss is not an option. Especially right now, where there’s a shortage of jobs and a surplus of labor.

124 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:03:34pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

VB, feel free to join up with BWS on hammering me. Because basicly I look at this as a simple employee/employer agreement. You took the job, you will work the hours you are scheduled. You agreed to this when you took the job.
Nothing more, nothing less.

This is not something they agreed to when they signed up, unless by “signed up” it was something like YOU WILL WORK WHATEVER HOURS WE TELL YOU, WHEN WE TELL YOU, AND WE AGREE TO NOTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU which is what you can expect when you work for Walfart.

I know at the job that I currently have, there are agency off days and there are also UAW off-days which we do not get, but the facility is short-staffed on those days.

Also certain national holidays like MLK Day, the facility is open and we are expected to show up for work, but we get paid double time on those days.

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:05:02pm

re: #119 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s an easy choice when you don’t have children to feed DF. Life gets a shitload harder then.

I know. The right decision for me isn’t going to be the right decision for everyone. And for companies to play the ‘on call’ game the way some of them do is wrong.

And to be clear, when I was working retail I’d come in if asked if I hadn’t requested a specific day off and I once changed my plans for when Sprint needed ‘all hands on deck’ for a major product launch. But in that case I had advance notice and though I had stuff I needed to get to a game, the area manager helped me out by taking the stuff out to a friend’s car for me. I wasn’t resentful about the whole thing, because I felt the company had a good reason and that management was actually willing to help when it needed to.

But that was Sprint and that was a particular mid-level leader. Most other firms do act like assholes and they are very wrong in doing so.

126 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:06:57pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

This is not something they agreed to when they signed up, unless by “signed up” it was something like YOU WILL WORK WHATEVER HOURS WE TELL YOU, WHEN WE TELL YOU, AND WE AGREE TO NOTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU which is what you can expect when you work for Walfart.

I know at the job that I currently have, there are agency off days and there are also UAW off-days which we do not get, but the facility is short-staffed on those days.

Also certain national holidays like MLK Day, the facility is open and we are expected to show up for work, but we get paid double time on those days.

Please do read BH’s #110. Things got a bit confused, but that one helps clear them up.

127 Bear  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:10:07pm

I have mixed feelings about businesses being open on holidays. I am very glad that some restaurants are open on Christmas and Thanksgiving since I do not have a family so go to one for dinner those days. I do not see the need for retail stores being open those days and certainly do not think any one should have to work those days if they do not wish to do so.

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:13:49pm

My parents owned a retail business for 25 years. They had full-time employees who received benefits and a living wage, and hired additional part-time during the holidays.

At no time did they ever fuck over their employees. And they were closed on Sundays, national holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve after 4pm, Christmas, New Years Eve after 4pm & New Years Day.

They retired in the mid ‘70’s when they saw the malls spell doom for the mom & pop.

129 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:39:54pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

This is not something they agreed to when they signed up, unless by “signed up” it was something like YOU WILL WORK WHATEVER HOURS WE TELL YOU, WHEN WE TELL YOU, AND WE AGREE TO NOTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU which is what you can expect when you work for enlist in Walfart. the United States Military.

Been there, done that.. At least I had good health care.

130 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:44:47pm

re: #129 Bubblehead II

This is not something they agreed to when they signed up, unless by “signed up” it was something like >YOU WILL WORK WHATEVER HOURS WE TELL YOU, WHEN WE TELL YOU, AND WE AGREE TO NOTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU which is what you can expect when you work for enlist in Walfart. the United States Military.

Been there, done that.. At least I had good health care.

At least with the US military, you know that your ass legally belongs to Uncle Sam until the end of your term when you enlist, hence the benefits that honorably-discharged GIs get upon their release from the service of the state.

In this day and age, private employers shouldn’t have anywhere near that sort of power over their employees.

131 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:14:33pm

re: #130 AlexRogan

At least with the US military, you know that your ass legally belongs to Uncle Sam until the end of your term when you enlist, hence the benefits that honorably-discharged GIs get upon their release from the service of the state.

Private employers don’t and shouldn’t have anywhere near that that sort of power over their employees.

And they don’t. Hence your right to leave at any time you so desire. As for military benefits? What a crock.

I didn’t retire and have no service related injuries, so have few V.A. benifits, my service (12 years) to this Country was a one way street. I gave, they took.

/// Thanks for your serevice pal. We’ll remember you this time next year.

132 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:09:02am

re: #129 Bubblehead II

This is not something they agreed to when they signed up, unless by “signed up” it was something like >YOU WILL WORK WHATEVER HOURS WE TELL YOU, WHEN WE TELL YOU, AND WE AGREE TO NOTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU which is what you can expect when you work for >enlist in Walfart. t>he United States Military.

Been there, done that.. At least I had good health care.

Walmart and other retail giants are not the U.S. Military.

133 steve_davis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:34:10am

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

If it’s Thanksgiving, and I’m already on my way to dinner with my family, I’d say “I’m sorry, but I’m already on my way with my parents and my sister to dinner with my extended family. I cannot offend them by demanding they take me in to work and in any case I’m not dressed for it. So, I am sorry but I cannot come in.”

What they do next, is what they do. I’d rather get fired than piss off my family in such a way.

Just make sure you only use a cellphone to contact work, and then when they call, you can be anywhere in the country you need to be. “I’m sorry. I’m in California and by the time I fly back, it will be tomorrow.”

“But Bob, WE’RE in Calfornia.”

“….Did I say California? I meant Carolina.”


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