Incredible Image of Saturn Backlit by the Sun

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LGF Pages author Shiplord Kirel had a post about this earlier, but I just have to do one too because this image created by the Cassini imaging laboratory (CICLOPS) is historic — as an instrument created by humans looks toward the Sun from the orbit of Saturn, with the giant planet eclipsing the Sun’s rays. That’s some truly impressive backlighting.

Click to enlarge, or click here to see the giant 9000x3500 pixel image.

For more details on this mind-blowing photograph, Phil Plait’s post is a must-read: Saturn: Incredible Mosaic of the Ringed Wonder.

See that tiny white dot at lower right of the planet, between the hazy outer ring and the first inner ring? That’s you.

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427 comments
1 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:43:43pm

I see Floral waving!

2 Balfour Rage  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:47:05pm
3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:47:08pm

That band of light you see across the upper part of Saturn is reflected sunlight from the rings.

4 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:50:43pm

re: #2 Balfour Rage

What is this ‘Palin vs. Pope’ line about?

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:50:50pm

“The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars.”

6 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:51:03pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Making earth bound photogs cry with envy. Go NASA!

7 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:51:48pm

That’s just spectacular.

Obviously, photoshopped, though.

;-)

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:52:32pm

Nice to know humans can still do some things right.

9 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 6:52:36pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

What is this ‘Palin vs. Pope’ line about?

Never mind, I found out.

10 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:01:10pm

Well as nice as the picture is, the Mrs. has surprised me. She ordered in delivery for tonight’s dinner and laundry day has commenced 12 hours early. That means I only have 3 loads to do tomorrow.

I wonder what she’s up to?

11 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:03:23pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Reach For The Stars. Always. Wilbur and Orville got it. Them and Story Musgrave.

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:07:34pm

I look forward to the day when it’s a human who’s seeing that view with his own eyes, witnessing the majesty of the cosmos, even if it’s through a porthole or from behind a face shield.

13 Balfour Rage  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:17:39pm

I’m confused. I thought the entire universe revolved around us.
/

14 Belafon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:27:47pm

My youngest son and I were looking at the large picture. On the upper right it looks like the constellation Orion, slightly distorted due to difference in positions.

Someone needs to label as much of the picture as possible. There were some moons, and the article mentions the other planets visible, but it would be neat to put all of it in perspective.

15 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:28:20pm

DERP FAIL.
Notice wingnuts allow no “Plan C: I have no insurance because I have a pre-existing condition”
Asshole

16 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:31:26pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

I look forward to the day when it’s a human who’s seeing that view with his own eyes, witnessing the majesty of the cosmos, even if it’s through a porthole or from behind a face shield.

That’s not likely until and unless we can solve the radiation problem. Even if one were to invent some sort of advanced high-speed space travel, our exposure to radiation out in the deep of interplanetary space would be rather more severe than in low Earth orbit.

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:32:50pm

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL.
Notice wingnuts allow no “Plan C: I have no insurance because I have a pre-existing condition”
Asshole

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It’s like they rolled every derpy wingnut belief into one chart.

18 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:34:13pm

re: #7 austin_blue

That’s just spectacular.

Obviously, photoshopped, though.

;-)

No globular clusters.

19 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:34:47pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Never mind, I found out.

When I saw that earlier I did some serious face palming. That’s bad even by her standards, such as they are.

20 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:35:24pm

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL.
Notice wingnuts allow no “Plan C: I have no insurance because I have a pre-existing condition”
Asshole

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21 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:38:33pm

And I just love Sysop’s use of a derivative of Stan from from South Park, because Trey Parker and Matt Stone show such love for rage-spouting, dishonest jerks.

/dripping

22 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:40:38pm

6 of 14 new states on U.N. Human Rights Council called abusers

Most criticized were the elections of China, Russia, Cuba and Saudi Arabia to the 47-member body, on which states sit for rotating three-year terms. But some groups also questioned the choices of Algeria and Vietnam.

23 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:41:41pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

I look forward to the day when it’s a human who’s seeing that view with his own eyes, witnessing the majesty of the cosmos, even if it’s through a porthole or from behind a face shield.

Thread winnah!

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:46:02pm

Looks like Herring is going to win here in VA. Glad Obenshain lost for two reasons) 1) He won’t be AG and despite how he sold himself, he’s no moderate or even reasonable conservative and 2) Helps Herring who I genuinely like get a leg up for any future state wide races and of course the symbolism behind having all three offices won by Democrats for the first time in my life time.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:46:19pm

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL.
Notice wingnuts allow no “Plan C: I have no insurance because I have a pre-existing condition”
Asshole

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Hell, I’d settle for “Plan D: Actually dealing with reality and not GOP talking points.”

26 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:54:00pm

And for some animal-related good news:

As a group of tourists was passing through the villages of Lesna and Zabrody in the north east of Poland last month, they caught glimpse of something that immediately sent them reaching for their cameras.

Strolling through the meadows near the densely forested Bialowieza National Park were three magnificent European bison, standing up to two meters high and weighing up to 1,000 kilograms each.

It was a doubly gratifying sight for Rafal Kowalczyk, a conservationist and the Director of the Mammal Research Institute at the Polish Academy of Sciences, who enjoyed seeing the tourists as much as the bison.

Europe’s largest land mammal had been declared extinct in the wild at the end of the 1920s, but after spirited and careful re-introduction efforts throughout the past 60 years, descendants of a small captive herd have gradually reassumed their position among Poland’s vibrant indigenous fauna.

Image: 131110223730-euopean-bison-story-top.jpg

Read the whole thing. The article deals with a controversy over the fact that a small number of permits are to be issued to allow private hunters to kill bison that have to be culled.

In a related story, Sarah Palin has announced plans for a trip to Poland.

/Kidding about that last part, though Sister Sarah would happily shoot one of those bison were she allowed to do so.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:55:55pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

And for some animal-related good news:

Image: 131110223730-euopean-bison-story-top.jpg

Read the whole thing. The article deals with a controversy over the fact that a small number of permits are to be issued to allow private hunters to kill bison that have to be culled.

In a related story, Sarah Palin has announced plans for a trip to Poland.

/Kidding about that last part, though Sister Sarah would happily shoot one of those bison were she allowed to do so.

Interesting, you think of bison, you don’t think of Poland. And yeah I am glad she isn’t going there. May embarrass herself when she declares Poland still communist.

28 thedopefishlives  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:01:29pm

Night Lizards. May your scales be always … scaly.

29 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:01:56pm

Walmart executives also get appointments from Obama
abcnews.go.com

nytimes.com

Wal Mart is also, somewhat ironically, the largest known corporate donor to the Center For American Progress that runs internet sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I always wondered what Wal Mart gets for its donation money but they don’t seem to care much about the bad publicity from Think Progress that they help fund. Walmart is well connected to DC insiders and blog posts on the internet don’t hurt them at all.

30 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:06:09pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Interesting, you think of bison, you don’t think of Poland. And yeah I am glad she isn’t going there. May embarrass herself when she declares Poland still communist.

I only noticed because at one time two older European Bison lived at Brookfield Zoo, which is in the Chicago suburbs. But after I read it I decided to throw in a wisecrack about one of my least favorite political personalities.

The only sour note for me was when the article had this bit: “The tourists, meanwhile, were training only their lenses on the animals and not the viewfinders of a shotgun”. This bothered me because European Bison are too big to humanely or reliably kill with a shotgun (They can weigh a metric ton each). Animals that big are taken with a large-caliber caliber rifle. I know that’s ‘inside baseball’, though.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:09:34pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

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Walmart executives also get appointments from Obama
abcnews.go.com

nytimes.com

Wal Mart is also, somewhat ironically, the largest known corporate donor to the Center For American Progress that runs internet sites like Think Progress and Media Matters. I always wondered what Wal Mart gets for its donation money but they don’t seem to care much about the bad publicity from Think Progress that they help fund. Walmart is well connected to DC insiders and blog posts on the internet don’t hurt them at all.

In 1990, Hillary’s husband was the governor of Arkansas. That made it prudent to give her a seat on the board at Wal-Mart. Plus it also burnished her business credentials and helped reinforce the moderate image that was a key aspect of Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential run.

32 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:12:26pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

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33 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:14:02pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

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Welcome to the Club, DF. Do you need to be taught the secret Libtard handshake?

34 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:14:32pm

Trying to get the hang of the new X-Com expansion

35 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:16:51pm

This day in history 11/12/13

D_F was called a libtard.

I knew this was an auspicious day, just wasn’t sure how it would show.

36 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:17:31pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

This day in history 11/12/13

D_F was called a libtard.

I knew this was an auspicious day, just wasn’t sure how it would show.

Lol.

37 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:17:35pm

WHOOP!

38 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:17:39pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

In 1990, Hillary’s husband was the governor of Arkansas. That made it prudent to give her a seat on the board at Wal-Mart. Plus it also burnished her business credentials and helped reinforce the moderate image that was a key aspect of Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential run.

Like all large corporations they are well connected.

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:18:30pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

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So I have to ask but how does it feel to be called a libtard? I love how he assumes you must be left wing because you called out his stupidity. Guy needs to grow up.

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:18:32pm

re: #33 William Barnett-Lewis

Welcome to the Club, DF. Do you need to be taught the secret Libtard handshake?

Nope, I’ve got it down pat from dealing with our ‘fan club’: All you need to do is flip the hater the bird. If they shriek some more, just wave.

[waves to the Stalkers]

41 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:19:00pm

propublica.org

Burwell’s most recent role was as head of the Walmart Foundation. Though Burwell worked for the philanthropic arm of the corporation, The Nation has reported the Foundation may give to organizations in an attempt to further Walmart’s political interests. For example, the Walmart Foundation gave a $200,000 grant to the national NAACP, while the New York NAACP chapter endorsed opening a New York City Walmart store.

Before moving to philanthropy through the Walmart Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Burwell had a long list of economic policy positions in the Clinton administration. She served as the staff director of the National Economic Council as well as deputy director of the OMB under now Treasury Secretary Jack Lew.

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:19:42pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

So I have to ask but how does it feel to be called a libtard? I love how he assumes you must be left wing because you called out his stupidity. Guy needs to grow up.

By that no nothing asshole? I wear it as a badge of sanity.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:21:24pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

By that no nothing asshole? I wear it as a badge of sanity.

Heh yeah I feel what you mean. I’ve had the opposite experience happen to me sort of. I got called a neo-con by Ron Paul fanboys five years ago when I pointed out the fallacy of Ron Paul’s foreign policy being rooted in the 18th century. And I know I’d have it happen to me if I called some of the truly moonbatty people I know on FB out but I don’t talk politics on FB as a rule.

44 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:21:35pm

re: #34 Kragar

Trying to get the hang of the new X-Com expansion

Been watching some other gamers play it online. Most are getting their asses rocked sideways.

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:23:26pm

PS4 comes out uh tomorrow or two days from now. Definitely going to wait for the price to come down on that one.

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:25:46pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

PS4 comes out uh tomorrow or two days from now. Definitely going to wait for the price to come down on that one.

I’m agreed with Lidane on this one, I’m waiting at least six months, if not a year, before upgrading to next gen. Current gen has at least another year to it, so no point in rushing out to get a system that might be buggy and the launch titles not really taking full advantage of the hardware.

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:26:45pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

I’m agreed with Lidane on this one, I’m waiting at least six months, if not a year, before upgrading to next gen. Current gen has at least another year to it, so no point in rushing out to get a system that might be buggy and the launch titles not really taking full advantage of the hardware.

Yeah, that’s a good way of looking at. Wait for the bugs to get sorted out. Besides, I waited with the original PS, PS2, and PS3. I still need to beat GTA V too.

48 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:27:05pm

I stopped buying consoles with the PS2.

49 Mattand  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:28:47pm

is it me or did Jon Stewart just equate atheism with nihilism?

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:28:58pm

Really no game announced for next-gen that I consider worth going out to buy one. Hell, the big launch titles for PS4 have been pushed back to February anyway.

51 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:29:04pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Been watching some other gamers play it online. Most are getting their asses rocked sideways.

New maps, and trying to figure out how to incorporate the new stuff successfully without going bankrupt

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:30:06pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Really no game announced for next-gen that I consider worth going out to buy one. Hell, the big launch titles for PS4 have been pushed back to February anyway.

Yeah I think the new Metal Gear is due out closer to then the launch. Besides, there’s a couple games in that series I need to beat first. I also want to play THe Last of Us oto.

53 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:30:32pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

PS4 comes out uh tomorrow or two days from now. Definitely going to wait for the price to come down on that one.

If I get anything anytime soon, it’ll be a 3DS. Backwards comparable, good new games, can stuff in my pocket. Better than any TV bound console for that alone ;) I’d like it if the newer FF’s were available for it but the platform is just too much nicer in all other aspects for my needs.

54 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:31:13pm

re: #51 Kragar

New maps, and trying to figure out how to incorporate the new stuff successfully without going bankrupt

Apparently 2K did what it does best with expansions: Completely turned the established strategies on their heads. Case in point, research times got seriously buffs, so now there’s more incentive to take missions to reward scientists and to build labs.

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:32:46pm

re: #53 William Barnett-Lewis

If I get anything anytime soon, it’ll be a 3DS. Backwards comparable, good new games, can stuff in my pocket. Better than any TV bound console for that alone ;) I’d like it if the newer FF’s were available for it but the platform is just too much nicer in all other aspects for my needs.

I do love backwards comparability. I still have some of my old PSX games: MGS, Silent Hill, Syphon Filter 1/2, Technu 1/2.

56 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:33:49pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

I stopped buying consoles with the PS2.

I stopped with Atari! Modern console games are just too frustratingly difficult for me to play. My ex gave me a Wii a few years ago, and I just couldn’t get into it at all.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:34:39pm

I understand the argument for no backwards compatibility in the next-gen consoles, that they’re different architecture and so the games would have to be totally rewritten to work properly. But it doesn’t take any bite out of launching systems with virtually no game libraries beyond launch titles until next year.

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:37:01pm

If I remember hearing correctly, the PS4 isn’t going to jack up the price on new games like the new XBox is. I’ve been a PS guy from when I got a PSX rather than a N54 back in the mid 90’s. I don’t mind XBox but if I have to have one and knowing my likely salary once I get better work, a PS4 is probably better suited. I also like using it to stream Netflix and Amazon Prime.

59 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:38:28pm

re: #56 bratwurst

I stopped with Atari! Modern console games are just too frustratingly difficult for me to play. My ex gave me a Wii a few years ago, and I just couldn’t get into it at all.

If you still have it, try one of the LEGO games. Lego Star Wars, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Harry Potter, Lego Grand Theft Auto (er, “Lego City Undercover”. No license but they’re riffing on GTA hard and it’s a hoot) They’re fun and easier than the usual twitch and shoot games out there. I’m also into RPG’s, especially turn based ones, which also are much easier to deal with than the twitchy games.

60 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:40:03pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Never mind, I found out.

I’m really sorry I clicked your link and read that.

61 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:40:24pm

Really, the only game I give a damn about right now? FO4, as in when Bethesda’s gonna get off their ass and at least announce that they’re actually working on it instead of teasing us.

62 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:40:50pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Really, the only game I give a damn about right now? FO4, as in when Bethesda’s gonna get off their ass and at least announce that they’re actually working on it instead of teasing us.

When Elite IV comes out.

63 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:42:30pm

Scratch that, another game I’m waiting for a release date on is Wasteland 2, which they’re now saying may not be out til sometime next year.

64 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:49:57pm

I’m holding out for the next Battletoads

65 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:52:33pm

re: #64 Kragar

I’m holding out for the next Battletoads

Like you ever got past level 3.
:P

66 blueraven  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:58:48pm


67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:02:33pm

re: #66 blueraven

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Can hardly blame Obenshain if he asks for a recount and doesn’t concede. Herring was trailing and ready to do the same. I just don’t want to hear Obenshain crying fraud if he ends up losing by a tight margin when his party was engaged in the shanngians in FC.

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:06:13pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Can hardly blame Obenshain if he asks for a recount and doesn’t concede. Herring was trailing and ready to do the same. I just don’t want to hear Obenshain crying fraud if he ends up losing by a tight margin when his party was engaged in the shanngians in FC.

To nobody’s surprise, the wingnuts are already screaming “VOTER FRAUD!”

69 piratedan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:15:19pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

To nobody’s surprise, the wingnuts are already screaming “VOTER FRAUD!”

it’s true, it’s a fraud that the wingnuts supposedly comprise a well informed citizenry… it’s like saying that larvae are self aware.

70 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:18:42pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

I’m really sorry I clicked your link and read that.

I went there, and found something more interesting: Tom Cruise never said acting on location is just like fighting in Afghanistan.

thelead.blogs.cnn.com

TMZ writers read a deposition in Cruise’s libel suit against a publisher, tried to summarize a section of give-and-take between a lawyer and Cruise, and fucked it up. Now, it’s the latest Internet meme … and like a fake quote, impossible to stamp out.

Cruise may be a little loopy, but he deserves to be treated fairly.

71 AlexRogan  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:19:47pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Can hardly blame Obenshain if he asks for a recount and doesn’t concede. Herring was trailing and ready to do the same. I just don’t want to hear Obenshain crying fraud if he ends up losing by a tight margin when his party was engaged in the shenanigans in FC.

Youtube Video

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:26:34pm

G’night all.

73 blueraven  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:30:24pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

To nobody’s surprise, the wingnuts are already screaming “VOTER FRAUD!”

I have been very impressed with the process so far. It was very fair and open. There is NO voter fraud and I think they know that.

74 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:33:58pm

re: #73 blueraven

I have been very impressed with the process so far. It was very fair and open. There is NO voter fraud and I think they know that.

It’s the usual sour grapes, but they’re sure that the only way they could have lost is that the election was stolen. As we know, conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed.

75 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:35:29pm

WHO TOLD THE X-COM ALIENS THEY COULD HAVE STEALTH UNITS?

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:36:05pm

re: #75 Kragar

WHO TOLD THE X-COM ALIENS THEY COULD HAVE STEALTH UNITS?

Ah, I see you’ve met the Seekers.

77 darthstar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:00:43pm

I need a much bigger monitor to enjoy this photograph properly.

And the reason the earth is a white dot? I have a bad habit of mooning the camera with my white Irish ass whenever one comes out.

78 Lidane  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:09:36pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

I’m agreed with Lidane on this one, I’m waiting at least six months, if not a year, before upgrading to next gen. Current gen has at least another year to it, so no point in rushing out to get a system that might be buggy and the launch titles not really taking full advantage of the hardware.

Yep. Buying on day one is a sucker’s game. I am waiting for the first round of price drops at least because by then, the kinks will have been worked out and the newer versions of the console will have upgraded versions of the hardware.

79 sagehen  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:09:59pm

LCD Soundsystems has an awesome idea for what to do with NYC subway turnstiles:


SoundCloud

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:11:22pm

re: #78 Lidane

Yep. Buying on day one is a sucker’s game. I am waiting for the first round of price drops at least because by then, the kinks will have been worked out and the newer versions of the console will have upgraded versions of the hardware.

If nothing else, I’d avoid both on release day just because of the headaches involved with the first updates. Microsoft’s already announced that the XBone will be useless without the first update.

81 Lidane  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:11:37pm

re: #59 William Barnett-Lewis

If you still have it, try one of the LEGO games. Lego Star Wars, Lego Indiana Jones, Lego Harry Potter, Lego Grand Theft Auto (er, “Lego City Undercover”. No license but they’re riffing on GTA hard and it’s a hoot) They’re fun and easier than the usual twitch and shoot games out there. I’m also into RPG’s, especially turn based ones, which also are much easier to deal with than the twitchy games.

The LEGO Marvel game is a hoot. A lot of the actors from their current animated movies and series do voices, including Clark Gregg as Phil Coulson. I’m having fun with the demo.

82 klys  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:12:29pm

re: #81 Lidane

The LEGO Marvel game is a hoot. A lot of the actors from their current animated movies and series do voices, including Clark Gregg as Phil Coulson. I’m having fun with the demo.

It is bought and waiting for me when I get home and have free time. Hah.

I am such a sucker for the LEGO games.

83 Lidane  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:14:01pm

Speaking of Marvel, I went and saw Thor: The Dark World today.

I loved it. It’s far superior to the first film. Also, Loki is a sassy, devious little shit. That’s all I’m going to say.

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:15:02pm

re: #81 Lidane

The LEGO Marvel game is a hoot. A lot of the actors from their current animated movies and series do voices, including Clark Gregg as Phil Coulson. I’m having fun with the demo.

I’d buy it just for Coulson. Man’s so awesome that Marvel went ahead and added him to the comics.

85 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:16:23pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Ah, I see you’ve met the Seekers.

And seekers met grenades…

and a MEC flamerthower

and some more grenades

86 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:20:52pm

re: #85 Kragar

And seekers met grenades…

and a MEC flamerthower

and some more grenades

So you killed it with fire.

87 sagehen  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:21:35pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Looks like Herring is going to win here in VA. Glad Obenshain lost for two reasons) 1) He won’t be AG and despite how he sold himself, he’s no moderate or even reasonable conservative and 2) Helps Herring who I genuinely like get a leg up for any future state wide races and of course the symbolism behind having all three offices won by Democrats for the first time in my life time.

Plus, we always like it when people who try to cheat don’t get away with it.

Calvinball is no way to run an election, son.

88 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:28:45pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

So you killed it with fire.

Always.

89 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:29:39pm

re: #88 Kragar

Always.

Remember, if it bleeds, you can kill it.

90 sagehen  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:31:25pm

re: #49 Mattand

is it me or did Jon Stewart just equate atheism with nihilism?

no… he said naming a bunch of atheists to the College of Cardinals, and thinking they can do a good job leading the Catholic Church, would be a fair analogy to sending Tea Partiers to the Senate and thinking they can lead the US.

People who don’t believe in the validity of the mission shouldn’t be trusted to carry out the mission.

91 Kragar  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:34:45pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Remember, if it bleeds, you can kill it.

Predator: The Musical

Youtube Video

92 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:40:01pm

Come on, Netflix, you’re lettin’ me down here. You got Evil Dead 1 & 2, but no Army of Darkness.

93 b_sharp  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 1:44:42am

Sitting here in a hospital waiting room at 3:40 am while my wife and daughter hover over my little grandson who can’t stop throwing up. Poor little guy has nothing left in his stomach so he pukes up nothing but bile.

94 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 2:10:05am

re: #93 b_sharp

Hoping it’s a really good facility with great people.

95 b_sharp  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 2:21:54am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Hoping it’s a really good facility with great people.

Doc is in there now given the little guy anti-nausea drops. I hope that works. Doesn’t deal with the cause though.

96 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 2:23:13am

re: #95 b_sharp

Doc is in there now given the little guy anti-nausea drops. I hope that works. Doesn’t deal with the cause though.

If he’s like our GS, he probably ate a grub when no one was looking.

97 b_sharp  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 2:29:06am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

If he’s like our GS, he probably ate a grub when no one was looking.

Too cold for most insects but I get your point. He’s been on antibiotics because of ear and throat infection the last few days so it could be something he ate or a reaction to the antibiotics.

98 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 4:26:56am

re: #97 b_sharp

Too cold for most insects but I get your point. He’s been on antibiotics because of ear and throat infection the last few days so it could be something he ate or a reaction to the antibiotics.

They will probably put him on IV fluids to keep him hydrated.

Same thing happened to my son, he got some kind of stomach virus and couldn’t keep anything down.

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:27:55am

*HEADDESK*
No. Just no.
A so-called “progressive” AGREES WITH SARAH PALIN’S COMPARISON OF THE NATIONAL DEBT TO “SLAVERY”
I just can’t even.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:33:40am

re: #83 Lidane

Speaking of Marvel, I went and saw Thor: The Dark World today.

I loved it. It’s far superior to the first film. Also, Loki is a sassy, devious little shit. That’s all I’m going to say.

Heh. That’s what I ended up seeing last night.

Loki gets the best lines, and I was not surprised.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:35:02am

re: #90 sagehen

no… he said naming a bunch of atheists to the College of Cardinals, and thinking they can do a good job leading the Catholic Church, would be a fair analogy to sending Tea Partiers to the Senate and thinking they can lead the US.

People who don’t believe in the validity of the mission shouldn’t be trusted to carry out the mission.

Send the HAL 9000. It has the greatest enthusiasm for the mission.
/

102 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:37:01am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Because China really wants to add 330 million more people, few of whom can speak Chinese, to its own population.

Seriously, what do these people expect? America’s creditors could and would not “foreclose” on the USA in the unlikely event the USA can’t pay its debts, and they certainly wouldn’t want to deal with 330 million cantankerous citizens.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:43:35am
104 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:50:30am

I’m growing kind of frustrated with the health care issues. There is a lot of pressure on the President to allow the old policies and of course Boehner and other republicans are calling for it to be shut down, delayed or whatever. And of course the media is running with all the stories about policy cancellations and all that.

What are some of the LGF Lizard opinions on this? Did Clinton’s remarks yesterday really hurt this whole thing and is going to force Obama’s hand on changes, and what would those changes be? Is the whole fundamental basis of policies that can’t be cancelled or no cut-offs after a certain amount being threatened?

And of course, my real frustration is as always, the media runs with the scare and doesn’t look into the issues behind it. I get the feeling the insurance companies are doing the cancellations to do exactly what it is doing, causing panic and forcing political change. And no one seems to bring that aspect up.

My opinion, I hope Obama can hold the fort and keep the law in place as is. Hopefully enough good can swing from it so that the pressure goes back on the insurance companies to get in line with it.

I know one thing, I do not trust the big health insurance companies. They are powerful politically and they will not go down easy.

Sometimes this country can really make a citizen depressed. What is that crap about American Exceptionalism?

105 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:54:16am

re: #90 sagehen

no… he said naming a bunch of atheists to the College of Cardinals, and thinking they can do a good job leading the Catholic Church, would be a fair analogy to sending Tea Partiers to the Senate and thinking they can lead the US.

People who don’t believe in the validity of the mission shouldn’t be trusted to carry out the mission.

Appreciate the feedback, but it’s still a shitty analogy. Not all atheists are perfect, but to say they would maliciously create the damage and suffering that the Tea Party has done to the budget? Fuck that.

The comment got under my skin because Stewart has played the “the atheists are no different than the religious” card before. Throwing in the word ‘nihilism’ didn’t help.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:00:35am

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

*HEADDESK*
No. Just no.
A so-called “progressive” AGREES WITH SARAH PALIN’S COMPARISON OF THE NATIONAL DEBT TO “SLAVERY”
I just can’t even.

The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.-Proverbs 22:7

So there. Says so in the Bible that National debt is JUST LIKE SLAVERY and that by extension, anyone in support of extending the debt limit is just like a pre-Civil War Southern Democrat…

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:03:57am

Good morning Lizards from sunny northern Illinois. A toasty 19F here in Lombard this morning, which made for a bracing, and rapid, walk from the hotel over to the building where the training class is taking place.

Did opt for Thor: The Dark World last night out of the movie options. There were about six movie previews - and most of them look like junk. (Aside: I don’t think Robocop should be remade. Leave its campy goodness alone.)

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:05:03am

re: #106 Sol Berdinowitz

So there. Says so in the Bible that National debt is JUST LIKE SLAVERY and that by extension, anyone in support of extending the debt limit is just like a pre-Civil War Southern Democrat…

Neither a borrower or a lender be.
Your best bet.
Stay out of debt.
(to the tune of something from Carmen)

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:09:42am

How to stay out of debt? Don’t spend more than you take in.

And don’t borrow more than you can be expected to pay back.

110 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:12:00am

Infuckingcredible, this post.

And I hate Charter with a white hot passion. Third time in a month my internet connection has gone out with no explanation.

111 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:13:23am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

How to stay out of debt? Don’t spend more than you take in.

And don’t borrow more than you can be expected to pay back.

It used to be difficult to do that, back in the day. Banks were careful with their money and wouldn’t lend money to risky borrowers. Then came easy credit, and that whole mortgage fracas.

But personal debt is not quite the same thing as national debt.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:15:00am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

How to stay out of debt? Don’t spend more than you take in.

And don’t borrow more than you can be expected to pay back.

Unless you are Donald Trump and are too important to allow to go bankrupt.
:p

113 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:17:26am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

6 of 14 new states on U.N. Human Rights Council called abusers

__________

This organization is created to keep you from going to hell. It isn’t created to take you to heaven. - Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.

114 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:20:44am

re: #108 Feline Fearless Leader

Neither a borrower or a lender be.
Your best bet.
Stay out of debt.
(to the tune of something from Carmen)

Actually -

‘Never forget, stay out of debt
And there is one more thing that you must do
To thine own self be true…

Youtube Video

115 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:21:55am

re: #114 makeitstop

Actually -

‘Never forget, stay out of debt
And there is one more thing that you must do
To thine own self be true…

[Embedded content]

“And don’t lurk about behind the draperies.”

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:22:38am

re: #114 makeitstop

Actually -

‘Never forget, stay out of debt
And there is one more thing that you must do
To thine own self be true…

[Embedded content]

Given who I picked up the one I know from (my father) I half-suspect that it’s from a Spike Jones bit.

117 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:22:51am

re: #61 Targetpractice

Really, the only game I give a damn about right now? FO4, as in when Bethesda’s gonna get off their ass and at least announce that they’re actually working on it instead of teasing us.

Playing Bioshock Infinite these days. It’s a hoot, and the beginning is seriously creepy in an Invasion of The Body Snatchers way.

118 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:24:20am

re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader

Given who I picked up the one I know from (my father) I half-suspect that it’s from a Spike Jones bit.

Gilligan’s Island! With guest star, the late Phil Silvers.

119 ericblair  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:25:44am

re: #105 Mattand

Appreciate the feedback, but it’s still a shitty analogy. Not all atheists are perfect, but to say they would maliciously create the damage and suffering that the Tea Party has done to the budget? Fuck that.

The comment got under my skin because Stewart has played the “the atheists are no different than the religious” card before. Throwing in the word ‘nihilism’ didn’t help.

Yes, it is a shitty analogy. I’m an atheist, and I don’t believe God exists, but I’m pretty sure the Catholic Church exists. And if you had a whole College of Cardinals who ran the Church assuming that God had no importance, it would hardly be the first time in history that that happened.

Did he honestly equate atheism with nihilism? Because I’m pretty sure we’re not the guys who couldn’t give a shit what happens to the Earth because it’s all going to end Any Day Now.

120 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:28:33am

re: #109 Sol Berdinowitz

How to stay out of debt? Don’t spend more than you take in.

And don’t borrow more than you can be expected to pay back.

leftycartoons.com

121 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:31:44am

re: #119 ericblair

Alexander VI would like a word with you. Might want to pack a few necessities.

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:40:55am

re: #118 makeitstop

Gilligan’s Island! With guest star, the late Phil Silvers.

From that wikipedia link it looks a bit like the lyrics *are* the actual lyrics for the Toreador’s Song from Carmen.

123 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:45:32am

re: #119 ericblair

Yes, it is a shitty analogy. I’m an atheist, and I don’t believe God exists, but I’m pretty sure the Catholic Church exists. And if you had a whole College of Cardinals who ran the Church assuming that God had no importance, it would hardly be the first time in history that that happened.

Did he honestly equate atheism with nihilism? Because I’m pretty sure we’re not the guys who couldn’t give a shit what happens to the Earth because it’s all going to end Any Day Now.

Last night’s episode. It’s on Hulu now. Go to about 18:54.

The analogy was letting the Tea Baggers run the GOP was similar to (paraphrasing) having atheists make up 35% of the Council of Cardinals and letting them run things. It’s a “bad idea”, that was indeed compared to nihilism.

So, fuck you, Jon Stewart. The fact he’s yucking it up with Joe Scarborough just makes it that much worse.

124 grape_crush  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:46:18am

Download links for that image available here.

125 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:46:49am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Alexander VI would like a word with you. Might want to pack a few necessities.

I had to Wiki-fu that reference. I had forgotten about Alexander VI, one of the more, um, colorful, popes of the Renaissance. The papacy back then was as full of intrigue as an episode of The Tudors.

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:48:33am

re: #123 Mattand

It’s on Hulu now. Go to about 18:54.

The analogy was letting the Tea Baggers run the GOP was similar to (paraphrasing) having atheists make up 35% of the Council of Cardinals and letting them run things. It’s a “bad idea”, that was indeed compared to nihilism.

So, fuck you, Jon Stewart.

Yea. Nice assumption that a bunch of atheists put into the Catholic Church would essentially be solely driven to destroy the church and/or enrich themselves.

Putz.

127 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:51:51am

re: #104 ObserverArt

There’s so much misinformation and disinformation, underinformed people (even and especially critics) who think that they know best about how and why the ACA is in the predicament it is that when someone like President Clinton comes out with a statement, they’re going to defer to him, even if he isn’t right either.

The law isn’t perfect by any stretch, but here’s actual facts.

80% of Americans are unaffected by the ACA since they’re either already on Medicare/Medicaid or have employer-obtained health insurance. Those policies can and do change annually, but usually don’t - they’re not involved in the reshaping of the individual insurance marketplace.

Some businesses may claim that they’re dropping insurance over ACA requirements, but in many of those cases it’s about opposition to insurance policies for the employees including access to birth control, which the employer may claim to oppose.

No - the real changes are in the individual marketplace, where health exchanges are set up to provide affordable policies to those making up to 400% of the poverty line via subsidies. The states that set up their own exchanges are in a better position than the federal exchange, which was saddled with the burden of providing access to more states than originally envisioned and GOP delays in deciding to opt out of the state-run exchanges. Those are issues that can be overcome, but it takes time. The delays do run up against two separate hard deadlines - a mid-December deadline to get policies that are effective January 1, and a March deadline that avoids IRS imposition of the individual mandate penalties for the year (have a policy effective by the later of the two dates, and you’re not subject to the penalty).

So why are there issues? Some insurers have decided not to provide policies in some states, limiting choices, and allowing those remaining insurers to charge higher premiums since there’s a lack of competition. States like Wisconsin allowed this situation (even encouraging it), while similar neighboring states like Minnesota are seeing much lower premiums where more competition and a state-run exchange are in place.

Allowing sub-par insurance policies to be reinstituted does not help the situation. Policies that aren’t worth the paper they’re written on may on paper avoid the individual mandate penalties and let some people pay less than they would on the exchanges, but that also means that the marketplace for insurance will not have the mix of people needed to sustain the changes (the subsidies, the increased number of insureds, etc.). If anything, this particular bit of policy would do more to break the ACA than many of the other defund/delay/destroy ACA attempts by the GOP.

The health care insurance marketplace is broken - that’s even before the ACA. The ACA is an attempt to reshape it, and the reshaping is not without some costs - higher premiums to some people, which allows an even greater number of people to get health insurance. Spreading out the costs will then serve to lower the premiums over time (and in states where the premiums were overcharged by insurers, rebates will be forthcoming - insurers that spend less than 80% on their insurance costs must rebate the difference to the insureds).

Even those cost savings get slammed by the GOP. Speaker Boehner was busy complaining that the changes are causing jobs lost, even as it improves efficiencies and lowers the cost that the feds would have to pay for subsidies over the long run (since the subsidies go to the insurers to cover the costs the insureds pay).

128 darthstar  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:51:57am

For the gamers out there…nice website design though, I will agree.

129 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:54:58am

re: #128 darthstar

For the gamers out there…nice website design though, I will agree.

[Embedded content]

Wow. What a great design. I’m taking web courses right now; I will definitely bring this one up for discussion tonight.

130 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:56:34am

re: #128 darthstar

For the gamers out there…nice website design though, I will agree.

[Embedded content]

LOL, I just noticed who tweeted that. I can think of one regular here who will find something horribly partisan with the article based on that.

131 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:57:00am

re: #127 lawhawk

There’s so much misinformation and disinformation, underinformed people (even and especially critics) who think that they know best about how and why the ACA is in the predicament it is that when someone like President Clinton comes out with a statement, they’re going to defer to him, even if he isn’t right either.

The law isn’t perfect by any stretch, but here’s actual facts.

80% of Americans are unaffected by the ACA since they’re either already on Medicare/Medicaid or have employer-obtained health insurance. Those policies can and do change annually, but usually don’t - they’re not involved in the reshaping of the individual insurance marketplace.

Some businesses may claim that they’re dropping insurance over ACA requirements, but in many of those cases it’s about opposition to insurance policies for the employees including access to birth control, which the employer may claim to oppose.

No - the real changes are in the individual marketplace, where health exchanges are set up to provide affordable policies to those making up to 400% of the poverty line via subsidies. The states that set up their own exchanges are in a better position than the federal exchange, which was saddled with the burden of providing access to more states than originally envisioned and GOP delays in deciding to opt out of the state-run exchanges. Those are issues that can be overcome, but it takes time. The delays do run up against two separate hard deadlines - a mid-December deadline to get policies that are effective January 1, and a March deadline that avoids IRS imposition of the individual mandate penalties for the year (have a policy effective by the later of the two dates, and you’re not subject to the penalty).

So why are there issues? Some insurers have decided not to provide policies in some states, limiting choices, and allowing those remaining insurers to charge higher premiums since there’s a lack of competition. States like Wisconsin allowed this situation (even encouraging it), while similar neighboring states like Minnesota are seeing much lower premiums where more competition and a state-run exchange are in place.

Allowing sub-par insurance policies to be reinstituted does not help the situation. Policies that aren’t worth the paper they’re written on may on paper avoid the individual mandate penalties and let some people pay less than they would on the exchanges, but that also means that the marketplace for insurance will not have the mix of people needed to sustain the changes (the subsidies, the increased number of insureds, etc.). If anything, this particular bit of policy would do more to break the ACA than many of the other defund/delay/destroy ACA attempts by the GOP.

The health care insurance marketplace is broken - that’s even before the ACA. The ACA is an attempt to reshape it, and the reshaping is not without some costs - higher premiums to some people, which allows an even greater number of people to get health insurance. Spreading out the costs will then serve to lower the premiums over time (and in states where the premiums were overcharged by insurers, rebates will be forthcoming - insurers that spend less than 80% on their insurance costs must rebate the difference to the insureds).

Even those cost savings get slammed by the GOP. Speaker Boehner was busy complaining that the changes are causing jobs lost, even as it improves efficiencies and lowers the cost that the feds would have to pay for subsidies over the long run (since the subsidies go to the insurers to cover the costs the insureds pay).

All true, but I’ve been trying for 6 weeks to navigate this kludge. There really needs to be one FEMA camp—for every motherfucker who designed, programmed, administered and reported up the chain about this .gov POS.

132 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:57:45am

I heard from someone who said that he heard that John Stewart said that atheists were just like the Tea Party and I’m outraged!

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:07:13am

Oh, an additional note about Thor: The Dark World and also some of the movie previews (the Captain America one in particular). They were both in 3D (and requiring the glasses.)

Much cleaner than old 3D. But beyond that I am not impressed by it. It’s a piece of “chrome” to add to a film, but I do not see it as really enhancing a film*. Not going to improve the story or dialogue, and that and the acting are what is going to carry the picture.

* - Arguably a detriment since I expect writers/scripts will know it will be 3D and thus will start playing with camera angles and details in order to throw stuff at the viewer and otherwise be less creative.

134 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:08:03am

re: #128 darthstar

For the gamers out there…nice website design though, I will agree.

[Embedded content]

I think it’s time to look for a WII U on sale :) I don’t see anything there that makes me want the PS4 instead.

135 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:08:10am

re: #123 Mattand

Last night’s episode. It’s on Hulu now. Go to about 18:54.

The analogy was letting the Tea Baggers run the GOP was similar to (paraphrasing) having atheists make up 35% of the Council of Cardinals and letting them run things. It’s a “bad idea”, that was indeed compared to nihilism.

So, fuck you, Jon Stewart. The fact he’s yucking it up with Joe Scarborough just makes it that much worse.

It’s a stupid comparison too. Not merely a dickhead thing to say.

136 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:09:29am

Apropos of yesterday’s discussions:

137 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:09:56am

Two ongoing hearings in Congress right now. Cheeeez. Issa subpoenas tech folks from ACA.

Yeah, pull people off their jobs trying to fix glitches so they can listen to you spew and abuse them.

138 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:11:13am

re: #136 lawhawk

Apropos of yesterday’s discussions:

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I find that amusing considering these are the same people who claim to be strict constructionists. I can’t see anyway you can label a weapon as “speech.”

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:11:47am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Two ongoing hearings in Congress right now. Cheeeez. Issa subpoenas tech folks from ACA.

Yeah, pull people off their jobs trying to fix glitches so they can listen to you spew and abuse them.

Creepy fuckwad.

140 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:11:50am

re: #128 darthstar

For the gamers out there…nice website design though, I will agree.

[Embedded content]

Well there is something embedded in their code that Safari (5.1.7) doesn’t like. Gets to the point it’s loading the background and resets the browser.

141 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:12:00am
142 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:12:15am

WHY DOESN’T THE THING THAT WE WANT SO DESPERATELY TO FAIL AND HAVE DONE EVERYTHING FOR IT TO FAIL NOT WORK PERFECTLY

143 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:12:58am

re: #141 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Yeah but we’re to believe that these problems “prove” why government is inefficient. I mean it’s not like this happens in the private sector.//

144 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:15:43am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I find that amusing considering these are the same people who claim to be strict constructionists. I can’t see anyway you can label a weapon as “speech.”

It’s a sort of mime, for dimwits.

145 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:18:36am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Yeah but we’re to believe that these problems “prove” why government is inefficient. I mean it’s not like this happens in the private sector.//

Yeah, like I can’t get Charter to keep me connected to the internet even though I pay them $50 a month for it. Thieving bastards.

And in all these years, my SS check has never failed to be in the bank on time. Medicare is working pretty well, too, when the providers code the bills correctly.

146 piratedan  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:18:47am

re: #141 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

yeah except for that 40 votes to repeal it and shutting the government down over it, it’s exactly the same…. sheesh, I know, I know, it’s Politifact

147 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:19:55am

re: #141 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Don’t think Medicare D had built-in deadlines. We’re working against 2 drop-dead dates that are really going to screw a lot of people if they’re not managed. Some will find themselves in a coverage gap, some could face penalties, and many more incorrectly fear they face them.

148 EmmaAnne  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:21:00am

re: #10 Bubblehead II

Well as nice as the picture is, the Mrs. has surprised me. She ordered in delivery for tonight’s dinner and laundry day has commenced 12 hours early. That means I only have 3 loads to do tomorrow.

I wonder what she’s up to?

Gird your loins, dude.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:22:34am

re: #148 EmmaAnne

Gird your loins, dude.

And grid your lions as well.
:p

150 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:26:43am

It’s morning! I slept all night!

WOOT!!!

you?

151 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:27:50am

re: #136 lawhawk

Apropos of yesterday’s discussions:

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From the Slate article:

“Open Carry Texas sent MDA an email that read, “People are ‘getting used’ to seeing and being around guns and police have come to accept it and don’t even question us anymore. What we are doing is working and society is coming to view the sight of ‘military style rifles’ in public as just another normal thing. Isn’t that a good thing?”

Jesushchrist, I don’t even want to see cops toting those weapons on their rounds in public. Even on patrol, those kinds of weapons are usually locked in their cruisers and they only wear a sidearm.

People like those protest the militarization of cops, but they want that for individuals? Doesn’t make sense at all. And no, it will never be “another normal thing” to see those kinds of weapons carried by civilians just for the hell of it to intimidate others.

152 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:28:35am

Q #1: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is evil? We are government of, for and by the people —right?

Isn’t that like saying that the people are evil?

Q #2: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is the wrong entity to collect and distribute entitlement monies?

153 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:29:39am

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

From the Slate article:

“Open Carry Texas sent MDA an email that read, “People are ‘getting used’ to seeing and being around guns and police have come to accept it and don’t even question us anymore. What we are doing is working and society is coming to view the sight of ‘military style rifles’ in public as just another normal thing. Isn’t that a good thing?”

Jesushchrist, I don’t even want to see cops toting those weapons on their rounds in public. Even on patrol, those kinds of weapons are usually locked in their cruisers and they only wear a sidearm.

People like those talk protest the militarization of cops, but they want that for individuals? Doesn’t make sense at all. And no, it will never be “another normal thing” to see those kinds of weapons carried by civilians just for the hell of it to intimidate others.

I don’t know, to me, open carry doesn’t mean a long gun.

154 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:29:55am

Good morning Lizards! Snow flurries here in Greensboro last night and very chilly morning. brrr…

Looking at the glorious photo of Saturn above, I will take this opportunity to remind all my fellow lizards to go and see Gravity ASAP before it leaves theaters!

Youtube Video

For those of you old enough, do you remember the first time you saw Star Wars on a big screen? Remember how amazed you were when that star destroyer just kept going…and going…overhead? There are moments in Gravity that will amaze you just like that. Do. Not. Wait. For it to come out on Blu Ray or DVD. This movie deserves to be seen on the big screen and in 3D! Also, this movie isn’t just eye candy. You will have things to think about after you leave the theater, like the fragility of life and the resilience of the human spirit. It is beautiful, terrifying, and life affirming. See it.

Movie plug over… :)

155 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:29:57am

MOST HORRIBLE TWITTER TIMELINE OF THE DAY


This person is truly scary and demented.

156 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:31:13am

re: #152 FemNaziBitch

Q #1: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is evil? We are government of, for and by the people —right?

Isn’t that like saying that the people are evil?

Q #2: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is the wrong entity to collect and distribute entitlement monies?

They have this idea that government and thus people who work for government are the other. I think it goes back to the revolutionary era where we understandably resented a bunch of British parliamentarians who we had no vote on making policy related decisions. But that’s not the case now. We directly elect anyone who represents us from our state representative to our president. Plus government workers aren’t some foreign entity. And hell as of tomorrow, I will be among them.

157 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:31:28am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

MOST HORRIBLE TWITTER TIMELINE OF THE DAY

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This person is truly scary and demented.

Yeah, the government does work? Seen news reports of Somalia lately?

158 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:31:51am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

MOST HORRIBLE TWITTER TIMELINE OF THE DAY

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This person is truly scary and demented.

Stealing election. Wingnut code for we lost and I don’t understand why because no one I know voted for that libtard.//

159 ericblair  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:32:16am

re: #126 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea. Nice assumption that a bunch of atheists put into the Catholic Church would essentially be solely driven to destroy the church and/or enrich themselves.

Putz.

Oh, we’d be clever about it, though. We’d start selling off the Vatican art collection and worldwide real estate to feed the hungry and clothe the poor. That’ll fix ‘em.

160 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:33:14am

The thing that amuses me about them isn’t that they’re anti-government. It’s how they talk about how government is evil in one breath but yet want to use that same government to promote their religion and omrals through things like banning abortion, gay marriage, limiting access to contraceptives, and conservatives have never met a new prison they haven’t liked. But want to spend some of our tax monies on education and health care? HELL NO!

161 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:33:41am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

They have this idea that government and thus people who work for government are the other. I think it goes back to the revolutionary era where we understandably resented a bunch of British parliamentarians who we had no vote on making policy related decisions. But that’s not the case now. We directly elect anyone who represents us from our state representative to our president. Plus government workers aren’t some foreign entity. And hell as of tomorrow, I will be among them.

They have this notion that “Government is not a producer” and therefore people who work for the government are not contributing members of society. They forget that government workers buy stuff and therefore contribute to the economy just like everyone else.

Oh wait, they don’t believe that the economy is driven by people who buy stuff, it’s only driven by TEH JRRB CREEYATERZ.

162 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:34:28am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Stealing election. Wingnut code for we lost and I don’t understand why because no one I know voted for that libtard.//

LOOK AT ALL TEH RED SPACES HOW CAN U TELL ME TEH GOP CANDIDATE LOST WE GOT TEH MOAST RED SPACES!!!!111!!!11!!!!

163 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:34:41am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

MOST HORRIBLE TWITTER TIMELINE OF THE DAY

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This person is truly scary and demented.

And in need of a proofreader.

164 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:35:06am

WTFITS

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:35:21am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

They have this notion that “Government is not a producer” and therefore people who work for the government are not contributing members of society. They forget that government workers buy stuff and therefore contribute to the economy just like everyone else.

Oh wait, they don’t believe that the economy is driven by people who buy stuff, it’s only driven by TEH JRRB CREEYATERZ.

Yes, excellent point. It’s all very stupid to me. This whole contempt for government employees thing. The thing is though it’s only their perception of federal workers. These guys would never single out say our rroops or fire men for their attacks. But people like teachers or people who do “non-essential” things are ripe pickens for their contempt.

166 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:35:39am

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

And grid your lions as well.
:p

Speaking of which.

Idaho school campus closes after mountain lions spotted

LAPWAI, Idaho (AP) - A school district in north-central Idaho is canceling outdoor recess and requiring students to be escorted if they walk to school because police have spotted two cougars near the campus.

/ you want to get your kids under control?

167 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:38:11am

The thing is about wingnuts is they have an idea of what a liberal is and then there’s what an average American liberal actually is and does. Doesn’t help that they feel the need to constantly re-enforce themselves with the idea that only they are patriotic and love our country. I

168 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:40:19am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

The thing is about wingnuts is they have an idea of what a liberal is and then there’s what an average American liberal actually is and does. Doesn’t help that they feel the need to constantly re-enforce themselves with the idea that only they are patriotic and love our country. I

I hang around some of the more demented RW sites—part hobby, part ethnographic nostalgia. There are bunches of people out there trying to talk themselves into murder.

169 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:40:39am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

The thing is about wingnuts is they have an idea of what a liberal is and then there’s what an average American liberal actually is and does. Doesn’t help that they feel the need to constantly re-enforce themselves with the idea that only they are patriotic and love our country. I

They have this stereotype of HURR HURR LIBTARDZ as lazy, unemployed, sitting around all day enjoying Food Stamps & Welfare while EVERY GOOD CONSERVATIVE owns a business or works full time.

It’s NO TRUE SCOTSMAN and ALL TRUE SCOTSMAN for everything, all the time.

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:43:53am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

They have this stereotype of HURR HURR LIBTARDZ as lazy, unemployed, sitting around all day enjoying Food Stamps & Welfare while EVERY GOOD CONSERVATIVE owns a business or works full time.

It’s NO TRUE SCOTSMAN and ALL TRUE SCOTSMAN for everything, all the time.

Yep which I find amusing considering that Obama and McAuliffe swept the richer areas of Virginia while Romney and Cuccinelli did their best n teh poorest parts of the state. I’m sure other people have similar tales.

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:44:38am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

I hang around some of the more demented RW sites—part hobby, part ethnographic nostalgia. There are bunches of people out there trying to talk themselves into murder.

I find that scary honestly. I don’t like conservatism but I never would think to attack someone for political reasons.

172 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:45:49am

re: #152 FemNaziBitch

Q #1: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is evil? We are government of, for and by the people —right?

Isn’t that like saying that the people are evil?

Q #2: Why do the Whacko’s think that government is the wrong entity to collect and distribute entitlement monies?

Remember the central image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrant and usurper. Without a tyrant to rage against, their whole construct falls apart. The fact that this “tyrant” was elected plays no role: those elections were bought or stolen, etc., and they will not rest until the tyrant is toppled.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:46:24am

re: #159 ericblair

Oh, we’d be clever about it, though. We’d start selling off the Vatican art collection and worldwide real estate to feed the hungry and clothe the poor. That’ll fix ‘em.

A behavior that would arguably fit the atheist mindset since they (sort of by definition) do not believe in an afterlife. And therefore, the common welfare of everyone in this sole existence should be helped while it can be done.

174 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:48:11am

re: #172 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember the central image of the Tea Party: armed uprising against a tyrant and usurper. Without a tyrant to rage against, their whole construct falls apart. The fact that this “tyrant” was elected plays no role: those elections were bought or stolen, etc., and they will not rest until the tyrant is toppled.

No true election, unless their chosen candidate wins.

It’s the No True Scotsman updated for TP and elections.

[corrected]

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:48:48am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I find that scary honestly. I don’t like conservatism but I never would think to attack someone for political reasons.

There are many fewer groups like that on the Left. In the right circumstances we could swing back to the days of the Weather Underground. Both the current RW and potential LW shooters will explain it as ‘defending’ something that has been usurped. Lot of people waiting for the ballot box to fail.

176 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:49:52am

New LIlly Allen:
Youtube Video

177 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:49:54am

re: #174 lawhawk

No true election, unless their chosen candidate wins.

It’s the No True Scotsman updated for TP and elections.

You might want to correct your post, you have my name above a blockquote that Sol Berdinowitz posted.

178 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:51:18am

All these wingnuts who talk about “Going Galt” PLEASE DO IT ALREADY.

179 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:51:44am

re: #159 ericblair

Oh, we’d be clever about it, though. We’d start selling off the Vatican art collection and worldwide real estate to feed the hungry and clothe the poor. That’ll fix ‘em.

Galileo’s Confession alone could bring in enough to flood the Sahara.

180 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:53:08am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

All these wingnuts who talk about “Going Galt” PLEASE DO IT ALREADY.

Really! learn how well it is going it all alone.

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:53:46am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

All these wingnuts who talk about “Going Galt” PLEASE DO IT ALREADY.

They’re not done sowing salt on the government and destroying it first. Plus there are still a few places left to be looted first.
///

182 ericblair  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:53:49am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

A behavior that would arguably fit the atheist mindset since they (sort of by definition) do not believe in an afterlife. And therefore, the common welfare of everyone in this sole existence should be helped while it can be done.

Correct. And apparently this Jesus guy in that Bible book went on and on about it, and since that’s supposed to be the mission statement for this organization, I think we can just go with that.

183 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:54:06am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

All these wingnuts who talk about “Going Galt” PLEASE DO IT ALREADY.

Wouldn’t want to be a billionaire among billionaires in Galt’s Gultch. Much better to be the competent proletarian security force commander.

184 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:57:07am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Wouldn’t want to be a billionaire among billionaires in Galt’s Gultch. Much better to be the competent proletarian security force commander.

Wouldn’t they have a billionaire security force commander who made billions off contracts in Iraq like Halliburton or Blackwater?

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:57:39am

re: #184 Vicious Babushka

Wouldn’t they have a billionaire security force commander who made billions off contracts in Iraq like Halliburton or Blackwater?

And made his billions by paying people minimum wage for grunt work.

186 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:58:48am

re: #184 Vicious Babushka

Wouldn’t they have a billionaire security force commander who made billions off contracts in Iraq like Halliburton or Blackwater?

He might not start as a billionaire, but he certainly would end as the billionaire. As long as he didn’t use the shower.

187 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 7:58:48am

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

“What we are doing is working and society is coming to view the sight of ‘military style rifles’ in public as just another normal thing. Isn’t that a good thing?”

Sure, if you live in a warlord-driven shithole like Somalia. Here in the States? Not so much.

These people are deranged.

188 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:01:41am

Well, isn’t this incredibly useful:

Gaslighting — minimizing their feelings, reframing them as being unreasonable — is classic abusive behavior. It’s telling someone that they don’t have a right to the way they feel because what they’re feeling is wrong. Their feelings or their concerns or behavior isn’t “rational.” Once you take away their right to their feelings, it’s that much easier to manipulate a person into the way you want them to behave.

No, the men “protesting” the Mom’s gun-violence planning meeting were not using intimidation or threatening, they were legally protesting a wrong—standing up for their freedoms. You are wrong if you interpreted the situation otherwise.

Sarah Palin: I used the term slavery correctly —African-Americans are not free to interpret my words on a personal basis.

Can you think of any more examples?

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:02:10am

re: #187 Lidane

Sure, if you live in a warlord-driven shithole like Somalia. Here in the States? Not so much.

These people are deranged.

These people want to live in a land of small-to-nonexistent government. Somalia should be the standard they strive to attain.

190 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:02:39am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

Well, isn’t this incredibly useful:

No, the men “protesting” the Mom’s gun-violence planning meeting were not using intimidation or threatening, they were legally protesting a wrong—standing up for their freedoms. You are wrong if you interpreted the situation otherwise.

Sarah Palin: I used the term slavery correctly —African-Americans are not free to interpret my words on a personal basis.

Can you think of any more examples?

Richard Cohen.

191 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:03:31am

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

Well, isn’t this incredibly useful:

No, the men “protesting” the Mom’s gun-violence were showing off their penis substitutes to compensate for their feelings of personal and sexual inadequacy

FTFY

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:06:41am

re: #187 Lidane

Sure, if you live in a warlord-driven shithole like Somalia. Here in the States? Not so much.

These people are deranged.

Isn’t lots of police walking around with SMGs a European thing that US tourists comment on all the time? And generally in a negative or at least apprehensive sense.
//

193 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:07:26am
195 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:14:58am

I just love how some deeply religious people are clinging to certain aspects of Ayn Rand’s philosophy.

Cherry-picking ….

196 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:15:29am

Those ads for health care insurance discussed yesterday?

They’re real. Thomas Roberts just had on Adam Fox of CO Consumer Health Initiative who said they were being “well received”.

cohealthinitiative.org

197 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:16:18am

re: #187 Lidane

Sure, if you live in a warlord-driven shithole like Somalia. Here in the States? Not so much.

These people are deranged.

It’s what they would like, no doubt, because they believe they would reign supreme.

198 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:16:48am

re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t lots of police walking around with SMGs a European thing that US tourists comment on all the time? And generally in a negative or at least apprehensive sense.
//

That even saturates the Second Amendment/Patriot sites—they run tremendous diatribes against the ‘militarized’ police. Gunz is Good only if they’re held by the right-thinking civilians.

199 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:16:52am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Those ads for health care insurance discussed yesterday?

They’re real. Thomas Roberts just had on Adam Fox of CO Consumer Health Initiative who said they were being “well received”.

cohealthinitiative.org

Wingnuts LOVED THEM because it lets them say HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBRULZ!!!!11!!11!

200 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:16:59am

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

I just love how some deeply religious people are clinging to certain aspects of Ayn Rand’s philosophy.

Cherry-picking ….

I think they are using Rand as a cover for their racism. As, most of the examples of those “who won’t work” are people of color.

At least that is what I see.

201 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:17:41am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

It’s what they would like, no doubt, because they believe they would reign supreme.

Obviously, then, they would be first line for heaven. Because morality on Earth should match the morality of heaven.

Wait, what religion are we talking about?

202 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:18:07am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts LOVED THEM because it lets them say HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBRULZ!!!!11!!11!

Don’t want to go paranoid, but how real is CO Consumer Health Initiative?

203 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:18:10am

re: #198 Decatur Deb

That even saturates the Second Amendment/Patriot sites—they run tremendous diatribes against the ‘militarized’ police. Gunz is Good only if they’re held by the white-thinking civilians.

FTFY

204 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:18:42am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Those ads for health care insurance discussed yesterday?

They’re real. Thomas Roberts just had on Adam Fox of CO Consumer Health Initiative who said they were being “well received”.

cohealthinitiative.org

I thought it was established that the ads yesterday were real, but that they were being funded by an NGO.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:18:55am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

Obviously, then, they would be first line for heaven. Because morality on Earth should match the morality of heaven.

Wait, what religion are we talking about?

The one with the deity Ives Guttmein.
//

206 bubba zanetti  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:19:06am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

All these wingnuts who talk about “Going Galt” PLEASE DO IT ALREADY.

There was a quote in the paper from a lady who supported the 51st State initiative here in Colorado - she might have been one of the county commissioners. She was excited that her kids might get to grow up in a state based on ‘self-reliance’ like ‘living in the 1800s’.

I don’t think she has any clue how tough that was.

Why someone would want to romanticize a time when freezing to death was not an uncommon way to die is beyond me.

207 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:19:23am

I don’t like the idea of the militarization of police, but I also don’t want them castrated to the point of only carrying a stick. (thinking of the English Bobbie)

208 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:20:18am

Here are their Twitter feeds:

@COHealthAccess
@CCHIpolicy

209 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:20:47am
210 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:21:37am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Don’t want to go paranoid, but how real is CO Consumer Health Initiative?

Scratch that—they pass a cursory check, in that they predate recent astroturfing efforts.

211 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:23:16am

re: #206 bubba zanetti

There was a quote in the paper from a lady who supported the 51st State initiative here in Colorado - she might have been one of the county commissioners. She was excited that her kids might get to grow up in a state based on ‘self-reliance’ like ‘living in the 1800s’.

I don’t think she has any clue how tough that was.

Why someone would want to romanticize a time when freezing to death was not an uncommon way to die is beyond me.

dying of milk sickness, being kicked by a horse, rotavirus, small pox, tuberculosis.

Walking thru horse shit in the streets, outdoor plumbing, carrying buckets of water from the lake to the bathtub, weevils the bread, NO TOILET PAPER, no feminine sanitary products, no birth control, “natural” condoms, no hair dryers, wood burning stoves.

Yeah, I’d love the life where my whole day revolves around the processes of the baking of bread.

212 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:24:24am

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

dying of milk sickness, being kicked by a horse, rotavirus, small pox, tuberculosis.

Walking thru horse shit in the streets, outdoor plumbing, carrying buckets of water from the lake to the bathtub, weevils the bread, NO TOILET PAPER, no feminine sanitary products, no birth control, “natural” condoms, no hair dryers, wood burning stoves.

Yeah, I’d love the life where my whole day revolves around the processes of the baking of bread.

Can we add to that the whole, going to the lake to wash clothing with a rock and then ringing them out? But that’s only in good weather. Mostly, people stunk all winter.

213 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:25:22am

re: #206 bubba zanetti

There was a quote in the paper from a lady who supported the 51st State initiative here in Colorado - she might have been one of the county commissioners. She was excited that her kids might get to grow up in a state based on ‘self-reliance’ like ‘living in the 1800s’.

I don’t think she has any clue how tough that was.

Why someone would want to romanticize a time when freezing to death was not an uncommon way to die is beyond me.

She can start by giving up her car, electricity, plumbing, internet, store bought food, cold/flu meds for the kids. Let’s see how long SHE lasts.

214 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:25:39am

re: #206 bubba zanetti

There was a quote in the paper from a lady who supported the 51st State initiative here in Colorado - she might have been one of the county commissioners. She was excited that her kids might get to grow up in a state based on ‘self-reliance’ like ‘living in the 1800s’.

I don’t think she has any clue how tough that was.

Why someone would want to romanticize a time when freezing to death was not an uncommon way to die is beyond me.

At that time if a woman didn’t die in childbirth she burned to death.

No laundry, greasy food, open flames. FOOSH!

215 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:25:52am


Yet another reason to be skeptical of so called experts cited by lazy journalists who don’t realize they’re being had by industries they claim to be covering.

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:27:14am

re: #213 GlutenFreeJesus

She can start by giving up her car, electricity, plumbing, internet, store bought food, cold/flu meds for the kids. Let’s see how long SHE lasts.

Add in few vaccinations*, no antibiotics, and lousy (if any) dentistry.

* - Possibly smallpox, but not measles and lots of others.

217 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #206 bubba zanetti

There was a quote in the paper from a lady who supported the 51st State initiative here in Colorado - she might have been one of the county commissioners. She was excited that her kids might get to grow up in a state based on ‘self-reliance’ like ‘living in the 1800s’.

I don’t think she has any clue how tough that was.

Why someone would want to romanticize a time when freezing to death was not an uncommon way to die is beyond me.

Because no librul nanny state gubmint, no unions, etc.

These people are very stupid and have taken Hollywood’s romanticism of the old west literally.

218 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:28:21am

re: #216 Feline Fearless Leader

Add in few vaccinations*, no antibiotics, and lousy (if any) dentistry.

* - Possibly smallpox, but not measles and lots of others.

There were dentists (didn’t you see Django Unchained?) but mostly they fed people opium then pulled their rotten teeth.

219 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:28:49am

re: #204 Mike Lamb

I thought it was established that the ads yesterday were real, but that they were being funded by an NGO.

Yes, it is an NGO which has tied itself to not just ACA but private insurance, health providers, etc. Those ads were pretty insulting to women, IMHO. Here’s their “mission” page:

cohealthinitiative.org

220 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:29:18am

re: #215 lawhawk

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Yet another reason to be skeptical of so called experts cited by lazy journalists who don’t realize they’re being had by industries they claim to be covering.

And they’re not the only one. Depending on your POV, most think tanks and educational 501s fit the mold.

221 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:30:56am

re: #216 Feline Fearless Leader

Add in few vaccinations*, no antibiotics, and lousy (if any) dentistry.

* - Possibly smallpox, but not measles and lots of others.

Hey. I’m trying to take it easy on her. No way anyone like her could live without the stuff I listed, much less anything really… Important!

222 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:30:57am

re: #215 lawhawk

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Yet another reason to be skeptical of so called experts cited by lazy journalists who don’t realize they’re being had by industries they claim to be covering.

Edward Bernays would be so proud.

223 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:31:48am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it is an NGO which has tied itself to not just ACA but private insurance, health providers, etc. Those ads were pretty insulting to women, IMHO. Here’s their “mission” page:

cohealthinitiative.org

Their sense of hip humor is so lame I thought they might be a Koch front group.

224 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:32:28am

re: #216 Feline Fearless Leader

Add in few vaccinations*, no antibiotics, and lousy (if any) dentistry.

* - Possibly smallpox, but not measles and lots of others.

There was an episode of Deadwood in which a bunch of guys from the town went to Whatever The Next Biggest Town was to get a load of smallpox vaccines and everyone in town lined-up to get one.

Well, I don’t think they got enough for the Chinese and the Indians.

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:33:20am

re: #209 Lidane

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226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:33:51am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Their sense of hip humor is so lame I thought they might be a Koch front group.

Dudebros gotta bro, dude.

227 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:34:32am

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

Hawaii Senator: Bisexual People Won’t Be Able To Marry Under Same-Sex Marriage Bill

I don’t think the State Senator understands what bisexuality is…………..

228 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:34:38am
229 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:35:17am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

Yes, it is an NGO which has tied itself to not just ACA but private insurance, health providers, etc. Those ads were pretty insulting to women, IMHO. Here’s their “mission” page:

cohealthinitiative.org

My point was only that the wingnuts were yelling that taxes were funding the ads, which isn’t true.

230 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:35:44am

The Creationists seem to be all into the idea of Natural Selection for humans in society. Those who can’t compete can just starve.

231 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:35:44am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

Dudebros gotta bro, dude.

It’s always good for us Lefties to sit up and realize that not all the idiots are in the other trench.

232 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:35:46am

re: #217 Lidane

Because no librul nanny state gubmint, no unions, etc.

These people are very stupid and have taken Hollywood’s romanticism of the old west literally.

Not to mention that “self-reliance” is pretty much compromised due to the need to purchase tools, equipment, and at least starting livestock. Plus the odds that they are doing ongoing purchases of cloth, canned food, etc.

Watch the “Old West” films and you see people “going into town” to purchase things all the time. They were still part of an integrated economy and were generally doing more than a subsistence farming/ranching existence.

The more subsistence thing was late 1700s frontier living in the hills - wearing homespun, maintaining flintlock weapons, etc. and even then there was trading done to get things like replacement tools, gunpowder, etc.

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:36:02am

re: #228 Aunty Entity Dragon

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These people have been saying America was doomed since well the start of America. Pardon me if I’m not worried that Obama’s a “dictator.”

234 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

These people have been saying America was doomed since well the start of America. Pardon me if I’m not worried that Obama’s a “dictator.”

Obama is just like Idi Amin

235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:38:18am

re: #229 Mike Lamb

My point was only that the wingnuts were yelling that taxes were funding the ads, which isn’t true.

Might be, if these are one of the state ACA grant recipients. We have two or more such orgs in our state, training navigators and doing outreach.

236 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:38:23am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I don’t think the State Senator understands what bisexuality is…………..

And no God-furring Amuricun should know!

237 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:38:24am

The rugged individual living on his own against government interference is a myth. I mean I get it. People want ot be able to do it on their own and say they did it on their own but no one really does it on their own. That was what Obama’s whole point of the whole “You didn’t build that” that the Romney campaign so crassly tried to make into an attack on success. Me? I’ve loved history for a long time but I’d be lying if I said there weren’t teachers who fostered that interest on the way and make it even more fascinating.

238 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:39:30am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Obama is just like Idi Amin

I have seen very few wingnut comparisons of Obama to Idi Amin or Mugabe. Maybe wingnuts think that would be “racist”? They usually go straight to the STALIN!!!!! and HITLER!!!!!!

239 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:39:53am

re: #232 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention that “self-reliance” is pretty much compromised due to the need to purchase tools, equipment, and at least starting livestock. Plus the odds that they are doing ongoing purchases of cloth, canned food, etc.

Watch the “Old West” films and you see people “going into town” to purchase things all the time. They were still part of an integrated economy and were generally doing more than a subsistence farming/ranching existence.

The more subsistence thing was late 1700s frontier living in the hills - wearing homespun, maintaining flintlock weapons, etc. and even then there was trading done to get things like replacement tools, gunpowder, etc.

One of my favorite essays on Capitalism. Ladies and Gentleman, may I link for you: I Pencil.

The most concise explanation of how we are interdependent I’ve read.

240 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:40:31am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

I don’t think the State Senator understands what bisexuality is…………..

Seriously. Bisexual people get married all the time. And in states with same-sex marriage? They’re not limited in who they can marry.

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:41:21am

re: #230 FemNaziBitch

The Creationists seem to be all into the idea of Natural Selection for humans in society. Those who can’t compete can just starve.

I was always amazed at how well Social Darwinism plays with people who reject Evolution

242 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:41:27am

Child Rape Assembly Lines

243 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:41:33am

Oh and here’s another popular wingnut meme, the idea that a HURR HURR LIBRUL SLUTTY SLUT!!!! will get pregnant and then carry the pregnancy all the way to the day before the due date and then have an abortion just for teh lulz.
I think Rush made up this meme.

244 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:41:58am

re: #240 Lidane

Seriously. Bisexual people get married all the time. And in states with same-sex marriage? They’re not limited in who they can marry.

Yeah if anything allowing SSM expands who bisexuals can marry. Laughable that this idiot thinks that gays and lesbians are abandoning bisexual people.

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:42:45am

re: #228 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Not that she’ll actually understand that.

246 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:43:48am

HURR HURR

247 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:44:12am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

The rugged individual living on his own against government interference is a myth. I mean I get it. People want ot be able to do it on their own and say they did it on their own but no one really does it on their own. That was what Obama’s whole point of the whole “You didn’t build that” that the Romney campaign so crassly tried to make into an attack on success. Me? I’ve loved history for a long time but I’d be lying if I said there weren’t teachers who fostered that interest on the way and make it even more fascinating.

America’s founding myth. Immigrants can jump off the boat in the 18th and 19 centuries, and with a little pluck and intestinal fortitude…they build business empires and become wildly successful!

Of course, for 99.99% of the people coming off the boat in the 18 century, you were damned lucky to get a farm (without getting killed in any of the horrible possibilities that existed at the time) and the 19th century, you could 1)live in the ghetto of your ethnic group in Boston or New York and work for slave wages in the mills and factories or 2) head out West and break your back on the railroad (and if you were female, get used to prostitution as a necessary way of life).

amazon.com

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:45:02am

re: #238 Vicious Babushka

I have seen very few wingnut comparisons of Obama to Idi Amin or Mugabe. Maybe wingnuts think that would be “racist”? They usually go straight to the STALIN!!!!! and HITLER!!!!!!

More likely if you mentioned Idi Amin, Mugabe or Papa Doc Duvalier they’d look at you like Caribou Barbie being asked what newspapers she reads.

249 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:45:29am

re: #247 Aunty Entity Dragon

America’s founding myth. Immigrants can jump off the boat in the 18th and 19 centuries, and with a little pluck and intestinal fortitude…they build business empires and become wildly successful!

Of course, for 99.99% of the people coming off the boat in the 18 century, you were damned lucky to get a farm (without getting killed in any of the horrible possibilities that existed at the time) and the 19th century, you could 1)live in the ghetto of your ethnic group in Boston or New York and work for slave wages in the mills and factories or 2) head out West and break your back on the railroad (and if you were female, get used to prostitution as a necessary way of life).

amazon.com

Precisely.

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:45:50am

re: #248 William Barnett-Lewis

More likely if you mentioned Idi Amin, Mugabe or Papa Doc Duvalier they’d look at you like Caribou Barbie being asked what newspapers she reads.

They all seem to know about the Mau-Mau rebellion, though…exactly what is waiting for them after Obama disarms them.

/

251 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:45:57am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

#Moran

252 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:46:04am

GO GALT ALREADY. PLEASE. DO IT!

253 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:46:09am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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Boy howdy. That one going to be legendary in her derpitude.

254 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:11am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

Which low income Red State does this Troubled Heart live in?

255 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:16am

re: #253 William Barnett-Lewis

Boy howdy. That one going to be legendary in her derpitude.

The face that launched a thousand derps.

256 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:22am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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Heh more like delusional. The red states are the ones who’d be more closer to Greece and the blue ones closer to Germany. Oh and idiot Germany spends a lot on social welfare. So way to shoot your argument in the foot, dumbkoff.

257 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:23am

Now, why would “they” kill off the “tax base”? Does that make any freaking sense at all?

258 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:32am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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I’m sorry, aren’t the red states the one’s with the largest proportion of welfare recipients? But they all have guns, so it’s ok?

259 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:48am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

Image: trolling.jpg

WTF. That’s either an elaborate troll or a deeply stupid person.

260 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:47:56am
261 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:48:51am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

This Troubled Heart has a bit of a potty-mouth.

262 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:49:15am
263 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:49:17am

re: #260 Aunty Entity Dragon

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lol, goddamn they’re paranoid. Yeah we’re going ot kill you. I don’t spend my days thinking about these people let alone thinking about killing them. Bradlee Dean OTOH has fantasies of jailing liberals.

264 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:49:36am

re: #262 Lidane

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Fuck off gun fetishist.

265 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:49:36am

re: #261 Bulworth

This Troubled Heart has a bit of a potty-mouth.

Still don’t like ‘em.

266 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:49:39am

re: #247 Aunty Entity Dragon

America’s founding myth. Immigrants can jump off the boat in the 18th and 19 centuries, and with a little pluck and intestinal fortitude…they build business empires and become wildly successful!

Very similar to that wingnut last night who said that if someone’s boss mistreats them, they can ‘go find another job or become their own boss!’

Yeah, just like that.

267 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:50:05am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Coolie labor. Disease, starvation, worked to death, exploited by robber barrons building their empires of steel, oil, and rail. Yeah, sounds like paradise - if you’re one of the robber barrons. Not so much if you were like the other 99%.

Maybe if you were lucky, you were able to take advantage of the Homestead Act. Most people weren’t or couldn’t.

And all over the West is littered with towns that came and went as development and gold rushes (and related fortunes) ebbed and flowed.

But for some, it’s the fanciful notion of bootstraps and rugged individualism that blinds them to the hardships and horrors of those early days when one had to fear the winter, the failure of a railroad to deliver badly needed cargo, or any of the other problems that we can’t even begin to imagine except when things like natural disasters turn modern life upside down.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:50:08am

re: #259 Lidane

Image: trolling.jpg

WTF. That’s either an elaborate troll or a deeply stupid person.

It goes back a ways, this is one of the most batshit insane timelines that I have ever seen.

Not as bad as Lisa Phillips but much crazier than Prudence.

269 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:50:13am

re: #262 Lidane

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Because we have to infuse morality into everything. A certain morality that is.

270 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:50:31am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

GO GALT ALREADY. PLEASE. DO IT!

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Yes, because we’re drawing so much tax income from the Deep South. Idiot.

271 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:50:50am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

And the higher percentages of uninsureds who would benefit from the ACA than the so-called blue states.

272 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:51:33am

re: #266 makeitstop

Very similar to that wingnut last night who said that if someone’s boss mistreats them, they can ‘go find another job or become their own boss!’

Yeah, just like that.

It’s like the idiotic advice Romney gave to college kids, “Borrow money from your parents and start your own business like the Jimmy Johns guy did.” Well most of our parents are struggling to pay their own bills let alone lend their kid some money to start a business. These guys live in a fantasy world. They’re always like GET A JOB. Getting a good job isn’t as simple as simply filling up some paper work.

273 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:00am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

Not that there’s anything wrong with Germany, but I wonder why this Troubled Heart wishes to compare a future Red State Amercia to that particular European country?

274 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:13am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

Child Rape Assembly Lines

This.

“This isn’t a problem about a few aberrant cases or an old-fashioned community reluctant to talk to police about sexual matters,” said Michael Lesher, a practicing Jew who has investigated Orthodox sex abuse and represented abuse victims. “This is about a political economy that links Orthodox Judaism with other fundamentalist creeds and with aspects of right-wing ideologies generally. It’s an economy in which genuine religious values will never really rise to the top, so long as they’re tied to the poisonous priorities that elevate status and power over the basic human needs of the most vulnerable among us.”

The authoritarian mindset.

275 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:19am

re: #270 Mike Lamb

Same kind of argument from the upstate New York folks who think they should divorce themselves from NYC and Long Island because they’re too liberal. If NYC/LI took their money and ran, the upstaters would find themselves in a world of financial hurt, and NYC would actually find themselves with a windfall since they wouldn’t be subsidizing upstate development to the same degree.

276 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:25am

HEAR IS MOAR DERP

277 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:44am

Hillbilly Heroin.

Yes, that is what the Confederate States of American would produce and export.

Yeah, Marijuana would become legal real fast if Red states were to become independent.

278 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:52:59am

re: #273 Bulworth

Not that there’s anything wrong with Germany, but I wonder why this Troubled Heart wishes to compare a future Red State Amercia to that particular European country?

Doesn’t Germany have the biggest economy of any European nation? Naturally they chose Greece for the blue states for obvious reasons.

279 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:54:54am

Thing is in my observations, liberal minded people are looking at least the present for guidance. Conservative minded people are and have always been guided by a false idea that the past was better.

280 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:54:59am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

This.

“This isn’t a problem about a few aberrant cases or an old-fashioned community reluctant to talk to police about sexual matters,” said Michael Lesher, a practicing Jew who has investigated Orthodox sex abuse and represented abuse victims. “This is about a political economy that links Orthodox Judaism with other fundamentalist creeds and with aspects of right-wing ideologies generally. It’s an economy in which genuine religious values will never really rise to the top, so long as they’re tied to the poisonous priorities that elevate status and power over the basic human needs of the most vulnerable among us.”

The authoritarian mindset.

Power and Control depend on secrecy and shame.

281 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:56:08am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t Germany have the biggest economy of any European nation? Naturally they chose Greece for the blue states for obvious reasons.

I would not read much more into her explanation than that.

But it is still asinine and adolescent. I have no use for secessionists and people who want to pack up their marbles and leave just because they are not getting their way.

282 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:56:59am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

The rugged individual living on his own against government interference is a myth. I mean I get it. People want ot be able to do it on their own and say they did it on their own but no one really does it on their own. That was what Obama’s whole point of the whole “You didn’t build that” that the Romney campaign so crassly tried to make into an attack on success. Me? I’ve loved history for a long time but I’d be lying if I said there weren’t teachers who fostered that interest on the way and make it even more fascinating.

Too many people who read _My Side of the Mountain_ in their youth and fail to recall a lot of the details over the idea of self-reliant living and having a pet hunting falcon.

en.wikipedia.org

283 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:57:59am

re: #247 Aunty Entity Dragon

America’s founding myth. Immigrants can jump off the boat in the 18th and 19 centuries, and with a little pluck and intestinal fortitude…they build business empires and become wildly successful!

Of course, for 99.99% of the people coming off the boat in the 18 century, you were damned lucky to get a farm (without getting killed in any of the horrible possibilities that existed at the time) and the 19th century, you could 1)live in the ghetto of your ethnic group in Boston or New York and work for slave wages in the mills and factories or 2) head out West and break your back on the railroad (and if you were female, get used to prostitution as a necessary way of life).

amazon.com

Also, too, there’s the fact of what it took to start a farm or a business here. Sure, you could grab land. Then what? How are you clearing the land? What about plowing it? How are you getting the seed? And the list goes on…

Starting a business? Sure. Set aside tools and such for whatever the business is going to be under the assumption you brought along the core, there’s supplies and customers. Oh, yeah, customers. Can’t have those if you’ve gone galt because you left them behind.

idiots.

284 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:58:11am

re: #281 Sol Berdinowitz

I would not read much more into her explanation than that.

But it is still asinine and adolescent. I have no use for secessionists and people who want to pack up their marbles and leave just because they are not getting their way.

That’s all I read into it. I think she’s paranoid if she thinks your average liberal will read that and think NAZI!. But yeah secessionists are morons for yeah the whole I DON’T LIKE WHO THE PRESIDENT IS, SO I’M LEAVING! It’s well to point out that most of the CSA states seceded while Buchanan was technically still president.

285 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:58:13am

HURR HURR TEH MOAST RED SPACES SHOWS WEE ARE TEH WINNERS!!!!!!1

286 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:58:13am

re: #166 Bubblehead II

Speaking of which.

Idaho school campus closes after mountain lions spotted

LAPWAI, Idaho (AP) - A school district in north-central Idaho is canceling outdoor recess and requiring students to be escorted if they walk to school because police have spotted two cougars near the campus.

/ you want to get your kids under control?

Here in NW PA we have had to reroute our cross country route to bypass the woods section because of bear sightings a few times. Can’t be too careful. The one time we had to reroute I spotted a bear cub (thought it was a large dog at first) along the tree line and reported it to the coach, because you know momma bear was probably around somewhere.

287 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:58:59am

re: #281 Sol Berdinowitz

I would not read much more into her explanation than that.

But it is still asinine and adolescent. I have no use for secessionists and people who want to pack up their marbles and leave just because they are not getting their way.

She isn’t just a secessionist, she advocates violent overthrow of the current government.

288 ericblair  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 8:59:59am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

Not as bad as Lisa Phillips but much crazier than Prudence.

I just assume that any tweeter with a cute/hot female avatar is an overweight middle aged white guy. And I say this being a middle aged white guy (who’s not overweight, but ok could lose a couple of pounds [just ask my wife]).

289 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:00:58am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Thing is in my observations, liberal minded people are looking at least the present for guidance. Conservative minded people are and have always been guided by a false idea that the past was better.

Rose colored glasses are a hell of a drug.

290 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:01:47am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t Germany have the biggest economy of any European nation? Naturally they chose Greece for the blue states for obvious reasons.

Basically because Germany’s the financial center of the EU right now. Essentially the banks that are supposed to be for the region dance to the German tune. Therefore the German economy is (currently) operating the best.

Except, well, there’s France. Which the Right strives to ignore, because it does all those leftist things but is doing about as well as Germany without doing it on the backs of the periphery.

291 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:02:10am

re: #283 kirkspencer

Also, too, there’s the fact of what it took to start a farm or a business here. Sure, you could grab land. Then what? How are you clearing the land? What about plowing it? How are you getting the seed? And the list goes on…

Starting a business? Sure. Set aside tools and such for whatever the business is going to be under the assumption you brought along the core, there’s supplies and customers. Oh, yeah, customers. Can’t have those if you’ve gone galt because you left them behind.

idiots.

One of my favorite books in audio —because the narration was excellent and captured the mindset of some of the characters so well: The Last Centurion, by John Ringo.

Without going thru the whole story —there is a plague that wipes out a large part of the population and the socialist type POTUS decides to nationalize the farms. A bunch of city and suburb types join in to “be one with the earth” and of course, the don’t have a clue what to do. Then they run out of gas vouchers and can’t get to town to refill their birth control pill scripts —HA!

I think that part of the book was one of my all time favorites in audio version.

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:02:39am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Thing is in my observations, liberal minded people are looking at least the present for guidance. Conservative minded people are and have always been guided by a false idea that the past was better.

I, as a liberal, seem to recall a time when there were standards, integrity and credibility in journalism…

or is that just pinko-colored glasses?

293 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:03:06am

re: #289 Lidane

Rose colored glasses are a hell of a drug.

Well it’s that and knowing that their own lot would probably be the same. The people I always see romanticizing say the 1950’s for example are straight white Christian conservative males. But it yeah goes with rose colored glasses that tell them “Things were better then!”.

294 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:03:17am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

That’s all I read into it. I think she’s paranoid if she thinks your average liberal will read that and think NAZI!. But yeah secessionists are morons for yeah the whole I DON’T LIKE WHO THE PRESIDENT IS, SO I’M LEAVING! It’s well to point out that most of the CSA states seceded while Buchanan was technically still president.

But, it doesn’t matter what people think I said, or how they interpret it or how it makes them feel. They are supossed to be in my head and think as I do, so they understand what I said. Mine is the only viewpoint that is correct.

295 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:04:13am

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

But, it doesn’t matter what people think I said, or how they interpret it or how it makes them feel. They are supossed to be in my head and think as I do, so they understand what I said. Mine is the only viewpoint that is correct.

Yeah, I cant’ tell you the number of times a conservative has projected my views or who I like on to me.

296 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:04:51am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I cant’ tell you the number of times a conservative has projected my views or who I like on to me.

HURR HURR UR A COMMUNIST!!!!!!

297 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:04:57am

re: #292 Sol Berdinowitz

I, as a liberal, seem to recall a time when there were standards, integrity and credibility in journalism…

or is that just pinko-colored glasses?

I’m not so sure. I remember learning about Revolutionary Times in which different Founding Fathers basically used their own newspapers for propaganda purposes.

Same during the Civil War —

I’m not sure it’s change all that much.

298 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:05:56am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I cant’ tell you the number of times a conservative has projected my views or who I like on to me.

see my #188

299 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:06:13am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR TEH MOAST RED SPACES SHOWS WEE ARE TEH WINNERS!!!!!!1

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Oh America before the progressive era? That time when child labor was acceptable and people would have to work 12 hours a day? If that’s what “Marxist progressivism” replaced then call me a Marxist, I don’t care because the Gilded Age wasn’t a pleasant time to be alive unless you were a fat cat. And lol at the idiot who thinks there being more sparsely populated red counties means jack shit.

300 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:07:00am

re: #297 FemNaziBitch

I’m not so sure. I remember learning about Revolutionary Times in which different Founding Fathers basically used their own newspapers for propaganda purposes.

Same during the Civil War —

I’m not sure it’s change all that much.

I did not say that all journalism was like that, but I seem to recall a time when journalistic integrity and a repuation for balanced, well-documented reporting were a lot more important than they are nowadays.

301 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:07:00am

re: #298 FemNaziBitch

see my #188

Ooh, I didn’t know there was a word for that. Cool.

302 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:07:48am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Oh America before the progressive era? That time when child labor was acceptable and people would have to work 12 hours a day? If that’s what “Marxist progressivism” replaced then call me a Marxist, I don’t care because the Gilded Age wasn’t a pleasant time to be alive unless you were a fat cat. And lol at the idiot who thinks there being more sparsely populated red counties means jack shit.

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!! SLAVERY SUPPORTERS & KKK ALL DEMOCRATZ!!!11!! MARGARET SANGER WAZ A RACIST HURR HURR!!!!!!!!

303 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:08:20am

re: #297 FemNaziBitch

I’m not so sure. I remember learning about Revolutionary Times in which different Founding Fathers basically used their own newspapers for propaganda purposes.

Same during the Civil War —

I’m not sure it’s change all that much.

Yellow journalism during the age of Hearst and Pulitizer but what I believe Sol’s point here is there was some standards in the past. I think it’s because news has more and more become celebrity driven.

304 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:08:23am

re: #300 Sol Berdinowitz

I did not say that all journalism was like that, but I seem to recall a timetimes when journalistic integrity and a repuation for balanced, well-documented reporting were a lot more important than they are nowadays.

IIRC, the news room was not a profit center for the networks —then it became one.

305 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:08:40am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!! SLAVERY SUPPORTERS & KKK ALL DEMOCRATZ!!!11!! MARGARET SANGER WAZ A RACIST HURR HURR!!!!!!!!

They say that heh and then you see a CSA avatar and you just laugh a little.

306 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:09:17am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Yellow journalism during the age of Hearst and Pulitizer but what I believe Sol’s point here is there was some standards in the past. I think it’s because news has more and more become celebrity driven.

Propaganda (yellow journalism, sensationalism- profit-driven news) is a problem. Yes, I agree.

307 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:10:08am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!! SLAVERY SUPPORTERS & KKK ALL DEMOCRATZ!!!11!! MARGARET SANGER WAZ A RACIST HURR HURR!!!!!!!!

We iz not a democrasee we iz a republik HUR HUR HUR!!!!

308 ericblair  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:10:09am

re: #297 FemNaziBitch

I’m not so sure. I remember learning about Revolutionary Times in which different Founding Fathers basically used their own newspapers for propaganda purposes.

Same during the Civil War —

I’m not sure it’s change all that much.

It has, in that the people and the publications didn’t pretend that these were unbiased, objective sources of information. We had a period of time where the media more or less was, and now what’s left of it is burning its reputations for eyeballs. Fox News doesn’t proclaim itself “the unapologetic voice of the Right”, it pretends to be “Fair and Balanced!” And we have the Balance Fairy bullshit fact checkers.

309 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:10:41am

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

Propaganda (yellow journalism, sensationalism- profit-driven news) is a problem. Yes, I agree.

I think that bothers me more than media bias. I really do.

310 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:11:34am

re: #308 ericblair

It has, in that the people and the publications didn’t pretend that these were unbiased, objective sources of information. We had a period of time where the media more or less was, and now what’s left of it is burning its reputations for eyeballs. Fox News doesn’t proclaim itself “the unapologetic voice of the Right”, it pretends to be “Fair and Balanced!” And we have the Balance Fairy bullshit fact checkers.

Ever noticed how the “speakers” on Fox all sound like they are really on ESPN, broadcasting a sports game or commentary?

All part of the Marketing Plan, I suspect.

311 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:11:48am

After presenting a petition (and being all nice about it) asking Rob Ford to take a leave of absence, he says he’s not going anywhere.

twitter.com

They should have just started working on removing him, IMHO. Types like him can’t be dealt with “nicely”. For someone with his issues, he certainly has a hell of a lot more chutzpah than self-reflection.

312 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:14:06am

So I see Congress is gearing up to allow insurance companies to keep selling crap policies people to keep their substandard insurance. But cutting off food stamps to millions didn’t inspire a similar crusade by our nation’s representatives and senators. I’m sure there’s an excellent reason for this, but can’t put my finger on it….

313 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:15:46am

re: #307 Aunty Entity Dragon

And yet these same “we’re a republic not a democracy” folks are the first ones to demand that gay rights be put to a direct vote…

314 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:17:19am

re: #313 Bulworth

And yet these same “we’re a republic not a democracy” folks are the first ones to demand that gay rights be put to a direct vote…

Tyrants in robes. Honestly, I think something like marriage equality is something that shouldn’t be put up to the populace. Look at this way, we had a USSC decision overturn bans on interracial marriage that would have never happened had the Warren court not get involved in Loving.

315 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:17:43am

re: #313 Bulworth

And yet these same “we’re a republic not a democracy” folks are the first ones to demand that gay rights be put to a direct vote…

I’m still trying to figure out why that meme got started on the right in the first place.

316 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:18:01am

re: #313 Bulworth

And yet these same “we’re a republic not a democracy” folks are the first ones to demand that gay rights be put to a direct vote…

Mob rule is better than representative govt, doncha know. ///

317 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:20:12am

re: #315 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m still trying to figure out why that meme got started on the right in the first place.

I imagine it’s similar to calling the Democratic Party, the Democrat Party. A stupid and immature way of putting down the Dems.

318 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:21:23am

Not sure if anyone’s covered this already, but I first became aware of it via Rachel Maddow:

George W. Bush to Raise Money for Group That Converts Jews to Bring About Second Coming of Christ

What I find absolutely alarming is that he had his hand on the Little Red Button for 8 years, and he may actually subscribe to this End Times horseshit.

319 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:22:28am

re: #315 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m still trying to figure out why that meme got started on the right in the first place.

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I imagine it’s similar to calling the Democratic Party, the Democrat Party. A stupid and immature way of putting down the Dems.

I used to know —let me think. Oh, I think it has to do with the tyranny of the majority. In a Republic (theoretically) minorities are represented as equals. That way, states with smaller populations would still have a fighting chance —i.e. 2 Senators per State.

320 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:22:39am

re: #318 Mattand

Not sure if anyone’s covered this already, but I first became aware of it via Rachel Maddow:

George W. Bush to Raise Money for Group That Converts Jews to Bring About Second Coming of Christ

What I find absolutely alarming is that he had his hand on the Little Red Button for 8 years, and he may actually subscribe to this End Times horseshit.

I will spend the rest of my life regretting that I ever voted for that little man.

321 The War TARDIS  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:23:17am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

And now that you mentioned the Last Centurion, you triggered the Doctor Who portion of my brain.

Jenna Coleman has confirmed there will be a snog between two of the characters during “The Day of the Doctor.”

The three companions are Elizabeth I, Rose Tyler, and Clara Oswald. All have romantic links to a Doctor. Elizabeth and Rose to 10, and Clara to 11.

Also, this description of “The Day of the Doctor” I stumbled across in Tumblr. I found it funny. Unfortunately, the name of that tumblr is not appropriate, but here is the quip.

Doctor Who 50th Anniversary: The Most Anticipated Double Date of All Time

322 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:23:54am

Crowd chanting, Hey, hey, ho, ho, Rob Ford has got to go at noon rally outside Toronto City Hall.

twitter.com

323 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:24:12am

re: #318 Mattand

What I find absolutely alarming is that he had his hand on the Little Red Button for 8 years, and he may actually subscribe to this End Times horseshit.

And he’s not alone in the GOP. Or in the Democratic party, for that matter. Magical thinking and End Times bullshit runs rampant in this country.

324 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:24:32am

re: #318 Mattand

Not sure if anyone’s covered this already, but I first became aware of it via Rachel Maddow:

George W. Bush to Raise Money for Group That Converts Jews to Bring About Second Coming of Christ

What I find absolutely alarming is that he had his hand on the Little Red Button for 8 years, and he may actually subscribe to this End Times horseshit.

Then there are people like me who think all Christians are Jews anyway.

325 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:24:37am

re: #318 Mattand

Not sure if anyone’s covered this already, but I first became aware of it via Rachel Maddow:

George W. Bush to Raise Money for Group That Converts Jews to Bring About Second Coming of Christ

What I find absolutely alarming is that he had his hand on the Little Red Button for 8 years, and he may actually subscribe to this End Times horseshit.

Yeah, that’s kind of scary to think about.

326 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:25:04am

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

I used to know —let me think. Oh, I think it has to do with the tyranny of the majority. In a Republic (theoretically) minorities are represented as equals. That way, states with smaller populations would still have a fighting chance —i.e. 2 Senators per State.

Yeah, they love to gas about the tyranny of the majority, mob rule, get rid of the 18th amendment etc…and then they talk about armed rebellion and “An appeal to Heaven”. Wolverines!

327 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:25:05am

re: #324 FemNaziBitch

Then there are people like me who think all Christians are Jews anyway.

Wait…what?

328 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:25:12am

re: #321 ProTARDISLiberal

And now that you mentioned the Last Centurion, you triggered the Doctor Who portion of my brain.

Jenna Coleman has confirmed there will be a snog between two of the characters during “The Day of the Doctor.”

The three companions are Elizabeth I, Rose Tyler, and Clara Oswald. All have romantic links to a Doctor. Elizabeth and Rose to 10, and Clara to 11.

Also, this description of “The Day of the Doctor” I stumbled across in Tumblr. I found it funny. Unfortunately, the name of that tumblr is not appropriate, but here is the quip.

You have The Last Centurian and Dr. Who linked in your brain?

329 The War TARDIS  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:26:03am

re: #321 ProTARDISLiberal

Jenna Coleman also said there will be saucy elements to the 50th.

This ain’t your dad’s Doctor Who.

330 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:26:35am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

Wait…what?

Well, in theory, if Jesus was Jew and Christians follow Jesus …

I think most Chrisitans have no idea what their religion is about.

The bullshit Paul peddled is not necessarily what Jesus peddled… . .

331 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:26:55am

re: #323 Lidane

And he’s not alone in the GOP. Or in the Democratic party, for that matter. Magical thinking and End Times bullshit runs rampant in this country.

Or people who believe in actual demons. For an advanced nation, we’ve got a lot still stuck in superstition.

332 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:28:01am

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

Well, in theory, if Jesus was Jew and Christians follow Jesus …

I think most Chrisitans have no idea what their religion is about.

The bullshit Paul peddled is not necessarily what Jesus peddled… . .

But they don’t want to be inconvenienced by all the no pork eating rules and shit.

333 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:28:27am

re: #324 FemNaziBitch

Then there are people like me who think all Christians are Jews anyway.

I believe that Ann Coulter said that we only have to “perfect” the jews by selling them on the True Messiah.

The same way that fundamentalist Muslims belive that they can “perfect” Christians and Jews by selling them on the One True Prophet.

334 The War TARDIS  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:28:34am

re: #328 FemNaziBitch

Yep.

Rory Williams. Best male companion in the show’s history. A thoroughly modern man.

In the Series 5 finale episode,”The Big Bang”, the duplicate Rory preserves Amy in stasis using a futuristic prison called the Pandorica, watching over her for almost two millennia. He becomes known as the “Last Centurion”, guarding the Pandorica wherever it is taken. The Auton Rory assists the Doctor, Amy, and River Song (Alex Kingston) in saving the universe from the explosion that caused the cracks in time. Restored to his original timeline but still possessing memories of his Auton existence, Rory marries Amy.

335 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:29:12am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Or people who believe in actual demons. For an advanced nation, we’ve got a lot still stuck in superstition.

Unfortunately, I think we have to accept the limits of society. We can only advance as much as the people can advance. As long as supersition and myth are the greater influencers, we are stuck.

Humans must evolve.

I choose Contraception. Comprhensive Sex Education , and Individual Choice as the best method to do so.

336 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:29:55am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

But they don’t want to be inconvenienced by all the no pork eating rules and shit.

Like they don’t impose enough “inconveniences” on themselves in other way.

too much money to be made in pork.

337 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:30:14am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe that Ann Coulter said that we only have to “perfect” the jews by selling them on the True Messiah.

The same way that fundamentalist Muslims belive that they can “perfect” Christians and Jews by selling them on the One True Prophet.

While telling us that only G-d is perfect (complete)?

338 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:30:14am

Parody account, or another batshit insane wingnut?

339 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:30:31am

re: #334 ProTARDISLiberal

Yep.

Rory Williams. Best male companion in the show’s history. A thoroughly modern man.

ah!

340 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:31:00am

re: #338 Vicious Babushka

Parody account, or another batshit insane wingnut?

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Now, that I think is pure Projection.

341 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:31:03am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe that Ann Coulter said that we only have to “perfect” the jews by selling them on the True Messiah.

The same way that fundamentalist Muslims belive that they can “perfect” Christians and Jews by selling them on the One True Prophet.

Yeah I remember her saying that and finding it unbelievably creepy. I don’t think she actually believes in that stuff or anything at all really but still there was an audience for what she said.

342 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:31:35am

re: #335 FemNaziBitch

Unfortunately, I think we have to accept the limits of society. We can only advance as much as the people can advance. As long as supersition and myth are the greater influencers, we are stuck.

Humans must evolve.

I choose Contraception. Comprhensive Sex Education , and Individual Choice as the best method to do so.

“Comprehensive Sex Education” means that we tach them all the best ways to stay abstinent, “choice” means giving the child up for adoption or staying home and raising it.

343 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:32:44am

re: #338 Vicious Babushka

Parody account, or another batshit insane wingnut?

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I have no idea how to tell anymore. I find that one laughable since there are still white nationalist groups that still operate in South Africa.

344 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:34:18am

Troubled hearts are especially troubled today.

345 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:35:08am

re: #292 Sol Berdinowitz

I, as a liberal, seem to recall a time when there were standards, integrity and credibility in journalism…

or is that just pinko-colored glasses?

Well, from the time Joe Pulitzer got ashamed of helping to start the Spanish-American War of 1898, till the beginning of Fox News, you could legitimately argue that there was an attempt to have standards and live up to them. They’d often fail but there would be shining moments like Edward R. Murrow.

Now? Not so much anymore.

346 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:35:14am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Or people who believe in actual demons. For an advanced nation, we’ve got a lot still stuck in superstition.

The superstition part had a lot to do with me finally going atheist.

This group won’t eat pork, this group won’t eat meat on specific days; this group thinks dogs are the Devil’s minions; this town can’t purchase booze on Sundays; you can’t wear this or that because God will kill you; etc.

If it works for you, fine. At this point, to me, much of it is a bunch of arbitrary rules that make little sense in a modern society.

347 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:36:42am
348 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:36:51am
349 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:36:52am

re: #346 Mattand

The superstition part had a lot to do with me finally going atheist.

This group won’t eat pork, this group won’t eat meat on specific days; this group thinks dogs are the Devil’s minions; this town can’t purchase booze on Sundays; you can’t wear this or that because God will kill you; etc.

If it works for you, fine. At this point, to me, much of it is a bunch of arbitrary rules that make little sense in a modern society.

That’s why I’m agnostic and even when I believed never too fond of organized religion. I think more people are atheist/agnostic then they’ll admit to but there’s a stigma on it in this society. IIRC we even had then President H.W Bush saying he didn’t believe atheists could be good patriots.

350 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:36:59am

re: #346 Mattand

The superstition part had a lot to do with me finally going atheist.

This group won’t eat pork, this group won’t eat meat on specific days; this group thinks dogs are the Devil’s minions; this town can’t purchase booze on Sundays; you can’t wear this or that because God will kill you; etc.

If it works for you, fine. At this point, to me, much of it is a bunch of arbitrary rules that make little sense in a modern society.

The reasons behind many of the “rules” do make sense, but most people don’t or won’t try to understand them. It’s just easier to condemn those who won’t “stand on their head for no reason when told to do.”

If you get what I mean … .

351 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:37:46am

re: #346 Mattand

The superstition part had a lot to do with me finally going atheist.

This group won’t eat pork, this group won’t eat meat on specific days; this group thinks dogs are the Devil’s minions; this town can’t purchase booze on Sundays; you can’t wear this or that because God will kill you; etc.

If it works for you, fine. At this point, to me, much of it is a bunch of arbitrary rules that make little sense in a modern society.

And yet, while atheists generally get no respect (thanks, Rodney), we are expected to give plenty of it to religion. It gets tiresome.

352 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:38:43am

I got a birthday -free coffee voucher—email from Caribou.

I think they are pretty much gone from my part of the world. .. \

HA!

353 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:38:56am

It’s the talk of “Christian love” or whatever love that always botehrs me since it’s usually succeeded by a hateful rant against someone who isn’t that religion, of a different sexual orientation, or different ideological mindset. I’m just trying to live my life here. I don’t need to be condemned by some guy who thinks a 2000 year old book should be taken literally.

354 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:39:32am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

The reasons behind many of the “rules” do make sense, but most people don’t or won’t try to understand them. It’s just easier to condemn those who won’t “stand on their head for no reason when told to do.”

If you get what I mean … .

I’m kind of glad that I’m not allowed to eat fast food, it makes it easier to make healthy food decisions when you’re used to preparing everything yourself at home.

OF COURSE PIE IS HEALTHY!!

355 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:40:38am

People who use religion to OPPRESS OTHER PEOPLE just suck.

356 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:40:49am

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

There is ALWAYS room for pie.

357 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:41:17am

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

I’m kind of glad that I’m not allowed to eat fast food, it makes it easier to make healthy food decisions when you’re used to preparing everything yourself at home.

OF COURSE PIE IS HEALTHY!!

As long as it doesn’t come from a window!

358 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:41:51am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

The reasons behind many of the “rules” do make sense, but most people don’t or won’t try to understand them. It’s just easier to condemn those who won’t “stand on their head for no reason when told to do.”

If you get what I mean … .

The better half was having lunch with a group of co-workers a few years back around Palm Sunday. Most of them were supposedly devout practicing Catholics; yet were clueless about what the palms in Palm Sunday represented.

Except for the better half, who was Catholic before she started playing for the A Team. Hell, even I knew that, I was about as lazy a Catholic as you can get.

359 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:41:51am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

People who use religion to OPPRESS OTHER PEOPLE just suck.

ALL MEN WOULD BE TYRANTS IF THEY COULD —Dolly Madison or Abigal Adams.

damn my memory

360 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:42:38am

re: #358 Mattand

The better half was having lunch with a group of co-workers a few years back around Palm Sunday. Most of them were supposedly devout practicing Catholics; yet were clueless about what the palms in Palm Sunday represented.

Except for the better half, who was Catholic before she started playing for the A Team. Hell, even I knew that, I was about as lazy a Catholic as you can get.

I’ve forgotten everything about being Catholic I learned in Catholic School. At least everything I thought was stupid.

361 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:42:43am

re: #359 FemNaziBitch

ALL MEN WOULD BE TYRANTS IF THEY COULD —Dolly Madison or Abigal Adams.

damn my memory

Abigail Adams had a lot to say on that matter.

362 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:43:42am
363 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:43:59am

Perhaps the purpose of religion is to get men to abdicate their tyrannical urges to another —in theory —G-d, but usually it ends up being another Tyrant.

364 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:44:21am

re: #362 wrenchwench

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That is beautiful!

365 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:44:56am

re: #362 wrenchwench

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Where is that? Beautiful shot.

366 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:46:00am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

GO GALT ALREADY. PLEASE. DO IT!

Right, they will kill us before letting us go, we are their tax base

Total federal tax revenue from blue states, 2012: $1,715,280,690,000
Total federal tax revenue from red states, 2012: $797,883,472,000

(Sources: Wikipedia & WaPo)

367 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:46:26am

re: #358 Mattand

The better half was having lunch with a group of co-workers a few years back around Palm Sunday. Most of them were supposedly devout practicing Catholics; yet were clueless about what the palms in Palm Sunday represented.

The palms in Palm Sunday are actually derived from the “Lulav” which is waved during the Sukkot holiday—which occurs in the early fall, not the spring.

Years ago, I went with a group of co-workers to visit our counterparts at the GM facility in Lansing. They took us all out to lunch, and as usual I couldn’t eat anything on the menu so I just ordered a beverage.

The guy I sat next to kept offering me from his plate of fried shrimp. I declined saying I was on a diet.

Here’s the best part: he said “Why are you on a diet, YOU’RE SO THIN!!!!”

368 Flying Squirrel Girl  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:47:01am

re: #313 Bulworth

Truth! “If enough people think it’s icky, it should be illegal!”

369 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:47:28am

I have my faith. But not in religion.

imho something kicked off this universe. Trouble is all those people who claim they speak for god that are just liars or are deluded in some fundamental way.

370 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:47:47am

It’s hard to name someone “Asshole of the Day” who is an Asshole Every Day.

371 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:47:57am

re: #369 Political Atheist

I have my faith. But not in religion.

imho something kicked off this universe. Trouble is all those people who claim they speak for god that are just liars or are deluded in some fundamental way.

It takes a certain brand of arrogance to claim to speak for G-d.

372 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:49:21am

re: #366 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Skewed!!!!!!

/

373 Lidane  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:49:40am

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

I’ve forgotten everything about being Catholic I learned in Catholic School. At least everything I thought was stupid.

The irony for me is that the more I learned about Catholicism, the less Catholic I became.

I took some online quiz that claimed to tell you what your beliefs are. It stuck me into Unitarian Universalist even though I had secular/atheist answers for everything to do with God. Very strange. I guess UU was a catch-all where they could say “See? Here’s a church just for you!” I don’t know.

374 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:50:09am

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

Anything that you make yourself is automatically healthy.

375 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:50:28am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

It’s hard to name someone “Asshole of the Day” who is an Asshole Every Day.

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Yeah I can’t think of a day when I’ve known who she is when she hasn’t acted like one. And I love her “Oh, I’m not politically correct.” Uh Sarah, aren’t you the one who got pissy when Rahm Emanuel used retarded in something that wasn’t even on camera and enough of using “I’m just not politically correct” to excuse racially insensitive crap. If she could just show some self-awareness and admit that her statement was stupid but nooooooo she can’t be wrong because she’s Sarah, never wrong, and the mean old left is always wrong and out to get her.

376 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:50:59am

re: #373 Lidane

The irony for me is that the more I learned about Catholicism, the less Catholic I became.

I took some online quiz that claimed to tell you what your beliefs are. It stuck me into Unitarian Universalist even though I had secular/atheist answers for everything to do with God. Very strange. I guess UU was a catch-all where they could say “See? Here’s a church just for you!” I don’t know.

Unitarian/Universalist is kool, but they vary by congregation.

377 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:52:34am

re: #374 Bulworth

Anything that you make yourself is automatically healthy.

You must try my homemade lard/butter/chocolate syrup donut sandwiches sometime.

Just make sure you have 911 ready to go on your phone.

378 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:52:53am

re: #373 Lidane

The irony for me is that the more I learned about Catholicism, the less Catholic I became.

I took some online quiz that claimed to tell you what your beliefs are. It stuck me into Unitarian Universalist even though I had secular/atheist answers for everything to do with God. Very strange. I guess UU was a catch-all where they could say “See? Here’s a church just for you!” I don’t know.

I always got UU too. I honestly don’t know what I am sometimes. I self ID as agnostic but I’m weird at the same time. I wear a St. Patrick medallion but that’s honestly more cultural than it is religious. Yeah I wear my Irish-American heritage literally on my neck and arm and I also have a Celtic cross that I bought that I have next to a small liberty bell model I bought at Mount Vernon and a bicentennial medal that my dad’s mom owned.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:53:22am

re: #377 Mattand

You must try my homemade lard/butter/chocolate syrup donut sandwiches sometime.

deep-fried, I hope?

380 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:53:43am

re: #366 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Total federal tax revenue from blue states, 2012: $1,715,280,690,000
Total federal tax revenue from red states, 2012: $797,883,472,000

(Sources: Wikipedia & WaPo)

Wonder how the comparative revenue “taking” adds up too…

381 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:54:21am

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

Unitarian/Universalist is kool, but they vary by congregation.

What’s interesting about the Unitarians is I believe in NE anyhow, they’re closely descended from the old pilgrim types. who broke off. The Adams family were Unitarians and I’ve often heard it argued that John Adams was personally the among most religious of our founders and definitely the most of the early presidents.

382 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:54:53am

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

Unitarian/Universalist is kool, but they vary by congregation.

For those who find Unitarians too doctrinaire, there’s Ethical Culture. At least one of the NY kids killed in mississippi, Goodman or Schwerner, was a member.

nysec.org

383 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:55:28am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I always got UU too. I honestly don’t know what I am sometimes. I self ID as agnostic but I’m weird at the same time. I wear a St. Patrick medallion but that’s honestly more cultural than it is religious. Yeah I wear my Irish-American heritage literally on my neck and arm and I also have a Celtic cross that I bought that I have next to a small liberty bell model I bought at Mount Vernon and a bicentennial medal that my dad’s mom owned.

I cannot begin to identify with any non-Christian religion, I have met some Christians (mostly Anglicans) who seem to make sense to me on a theological level.

I was badly put off Christianity as a child and adolescent by Catholic dogma and then as a college studenty by the Campus Crusade for Christ dweebs who plied the halls of our dormitoriy.

Took me a long time to encounter people who quietly live and witness their faith, invite others to share but do not browbeat or set themselves up as examples.

384 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:55:36am

I have friends who are really into the Unity Church, but I don’t understand them at all.

385 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:56:30am
386 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:57:30am

re: #383 Sol Berdinowitz

I cannot begin to identify with any non-Christian religion, I have met some Christians (mostly Anglicans) who seem to make sense to me on a theological level.

I was badly put off Christianity as a child and adolescent by Catholic dogma and then as a college studenty by the Campus Crusade for Christ dweebs who plied the halls of our dormitoriy.

Took me a long time to encounter people who quietly live and witness their faith, invite others to share but do not browbeat or set themselves up as examples.

We had similar experiences then. I knew some ultra conservative Catholics growing up. They were just so intolerant of anyone who wasn’t an ultra conservative Catholic. I know their parents had contempt for my parents since my parents raised my brothers and I in a very secular manner. I just realize now in my mid 20’s that religion just isn’t for me. I don’t think someone lesser if they believe or go to church but it’s just never been for me.

387 Mattand  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:57:58am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I always got UU too. I honestly don’t know what I am sometimes. I self ID as agnostic but I’m weird at the same time. I wear a St. Patrick medallion but that’s honestly more cultural than it is religious. Yeah I wear my Irish-American heritage literally on my neck and arm and I also have a Celtic cross that I bought that I have next to a small liberty bell model I bought at Mount Vernon and a bicentennial medal that my dad’s mom owned.

At least in US society, it’s really hard to avoid religious symbolism. I always go back and forth on the whole “The word ‘God’ is used so often, it’s lost it’s religious meaning” argument. You see that applied a lot to things like “In God We Trust” on currency.

On a strict technical level, it shouldn’t be there. On the other hand, there is some merit to defining it as meaningless background noise at this point.

I’m still up in the air about Xmas displays on public property. I don’t get that worked up over it, but it is a reminder to me that a lot of Americans view “freedom of religion” as “freedom to be Christian”.

388 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:58:12am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Where is that? Beautiful shot.

Seems to be Cazorla, Spain.

389 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:58:15am

re: #385 Aunty Entity Dragon

[Embedded content]

Because it’s all about me!!!!! The Earth doesn’t revolve around the Sun, the whole Solar System revolves around me.

People just can’t fathom the concept that they are not that special after all.

390 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:58:28am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

What’s interesting about the Unitarians is I believe in NE anyhow, they’re closely descended from the old pilgrim types. who broke off. The Adams family were Unitarians and I’ve often heard it argued that John Adams was personally the among most religious of our founders and definitely the most of the early presidents.

King’s Chapel in Boston is a UU church that was originally an Anglican parish before the revolution. Afterwords, the new priest they got was a Unitarian so they ended up voting to leave the Anglican church and re-wrote the Book Of Common Prayer in a non-Trinitarian manner. Nice version, though i prefer my copy of the 1549 first English Prayer Book. Suits my high church Anglo-Catholic tastes better :)

391 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:58:46am

re: #385 Aunty Entity Dragon

Those of us who have been sounding off about secession and rebellion on social media are on a special list, I’m sure.

Because the Patriot Act tasks the government to keep an eye on anyone who threatens to violently overthrow of the US government.

392 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:59:20am

re: #391 Sol Berdinowitz

Becasue the Patriot Act tasks the government to keep an eye on anyone who threatens to violently overthrow of the US government.

Well, then, the gendarmes are coming for sure!!!

393 darthstar  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 9:59:32am

I’m really not a very good photographer, but Banjo does make it easy. First (and only) shot I took this morning.

394 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:00:02am

re: #385 Aunty Entity Dragon

[Embedded content]

Yeah, “special” all right. It’s called “These are the ones to laugh at all day long”.

395 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:00:27am

an instrument created by humans

difficult as it is to believe that such primitive creatures are capable of developing advanced technology

396 erik_t  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:00:42am

re: #385 Aunty Entity Dragon

@andilinks
Those of us who have been sounding off about secession and rebellion on social media are on a special list, I’m sure. @tex_real

Anyone who truly believed that would not sound off about secession and rebellion on social media.

Or they’re just, like, really, really dumb.

397 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:01:15am

re: #396 erik_t

Anyone who truly believed that >would not sound off about secession and rebellion on social media.

Or they’re just, like, really, >really dumb.

Sure they would —they want to be martyred.

398 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:01:30am
399 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:02:46am

re: #385 Aunty Entity Dragon

Those of us who have been sounding off about secession and rebellion on social media are on a special list, I’m sure. @tex_real

Youtube Video

400 bubba zanetti  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:03:07am

OT but hypnotizing: watch more-or-less real time edits to OpenStreetMap (a user-editable map of the world):

mapbox.com

There’s a lot of volunteer activity going on mapping the Phillipines.

401 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:03:35am

i just tell them i’m practicing for my campaign to become the next crack-smoking mayor of toronto

402 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:04:58am

re: #399 Vicious Babushka

Those of us who have been sounding off about secession and rebellion on social media are on a special list, I’m sure

And Ted Nugent is either dead or in jail, right?

403 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:06:58am

The last 100 years have certainly thrown up a few turkeys — Prohibition, the 1933 National Industrial Recovery Act, and the short-lived Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 all come to mind — and yet Obamacare stands out as being potentially even worse because, as David French recently noted, it has the disadvantage of being unprecedently[sic] partisan. This, after all, is a law that bears a president’s name.

c cook national morons review online

yah imagine that egotistical obama being conceited enough to name a law after himself…

404 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:07:34am

re: #403 dog philosopher

The last 100 years have certainly thrown up a few turkeys — Prohibition, the 1933 National Industrial Recovery Act, and the short-lived Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 all come to mind — and yet Obamacare stands out as being potentially even worse because, as David French recently noted, it has the disadvantage of being unprecedently[sic] partisan. This, after all, is a law that bears a president’s name.

c cook national morons review online

yah imagine that egotistical obama being conceited enough to name a law after himself…

Wait, I thought it had a different name … . .

/

405 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:08:32am

re: #398 Aunty Entity Dragon

Da Fuq? This has to be a parody account, right? Where does anyone consider the crime-riddled dysfunction of South Africa to be a great Utopia?

I’ll admit to having an admiration for social democratic Europe (well, at least until they self-immolated on monetary policy and sent their economy off a cliff), but South Africa?

406 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:09:48am

re: #387 Mattand

At least in US society, it’s really hard to avoid religious symbolism. I always go back and forth on the whole “The word ‘God’ is used so often, it’s lost it’s religious meaning” argument. You see that applied a lot to things like “In God We Trust” on currency.

On a strict technical level, it shouldn’t be there. On the other hand, there is some merit to defining it as meaningless background noise at this point.

I’m still up in the air about Xmas displays on public property. I don’t get that worked up over it, but it is a reminder to me that a lot of Americans view “freedom of religion” as “freedom to be Christian”.

I think you nail it here. You actually have people who think that mosques shouldn’t be able to built just because. That one Atheist leader who recently said that there are some Christians in this country who want special privileges was absolutely right. They see any spoofing of their religion in the media and they conclude it’s a war on their faith from the top down.

407 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:10:04am

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

Wait, I thought it had a different name … . .

/

You mean “Romneycare”?

408 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:10:58am

re: #405 Ian G.

Da Fuq? This has to be a parody account, right? Where does anyone consider the crime-riddled dysfunction of South Africa to be a great Utopia?

I’ll admit to having an admiration for social democratic Europe (well, at least until they self-immolated on monetary policy and sent their economy off a cliff), but South Africa?

Run by blacks so it’s obviously what blacks want, ya know? At least that seems to be how they think.

409 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:11:12am

re: #403 dog philosopher

The GOP derisively called it that.

It’s official title, as per the US Code, Thomas, and any reputable legal citator:

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

It’s known by the acronym of PPACA, or the ACA (affordable care act).

Anyone who thinks that it’s really called Obamacare ought to be disregarded as being a partisan hack.

410 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:11:13am

re: #405 Ian G.

Da Fuq? This has to be a parody account, right? Where does anyone consider the crime-riddled dysfunction of South Africa to be a great Utopia?

I’ll admit to having an admiration for social democratic Europe (well, at least until they self-immolated on monetary policy and sent their economy off a cliff), but South Africa?

Yeah seriously. I like how she’s convinced herself that South Africa is massacring whites too. I’d still like to go to SA despite its problems that said though. They look to have some beautiful beaches even if shark attacks have been a problem lately. Great surfing too and that’s on my bucket list.

411 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:11:16am

re: #405 Ian G.

Da Fuq? This has to be a parody account, right? Where does anyone consider the crime-riddled dysfunction of South Africa to be a great Utopia?

I’ll admit to having an admiration for social democratic Europe (well, at least until they self-immolated on monetary policy and sent their economy off a cliff), but South Africa?

Apparently she is a home schooling mom, which means her little snowflakes are on their eventual way to Patrick Henry College or Liberty University to slay science loving libtards…

412 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:11:43am

re: #407 Sol Berdinowitz

No, that’s what it would have been called had Romney been elected. He would simply have switched the name, and proclaimed it fixed.

413 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:12:02am

‘afternoon, Lizards, from the slightly-warmer-than-yesterday streets of New York. It feels more like December 13th than November 13th. I’m sure Bryan Fischer will chime in on how this makes climate change a myth.

Saw a Cooper’s Hawk panic a bunch of pigeons this morning in Battery Park. This comes on top of an amazing sighting a few weeks ago of a juvenile Red Tailed Hawk calmly eating a pigeon near two parked cars on a street in my Brooklyn neighborhood. New York becomes more and more of a bird-watcher’s delight every day.

414 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:12:37am

Ian McDonald writes some seriously weird shit.

I like him.

415 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:13:04am

re: #407 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean “Romneycare”?

close …

416 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:15:05am

re: #408 William Barnett-Lewis

Run by blacks so it’s obviously what blacks want, ya know? At least that seems to be how they think.

Ah, so it’s the Detroit dog-whistle on a national scale. Well, the Barbados is run by blacks too, and it has a higher human development index than Poland. It’s actually the 3rd-most developed country in the western hemisphere after the US and Canada.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:16:12am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

It’s the talk of “Christian love” or whatever love that always botehrs me since it’s usually succeeded by a hateful rant against someone who isn’t that religion, of a different sexual orientation, or different ideological mindset. I’m just trying to live my life here. I don’t need to be condemned by some guy who thinks a 2000 year old book should be taken literally.

— by their interpretation of the passages to mean exactly (and only) what they say it means.

FTFY.

It’s a power issue, not a philosophical one. And how dare you challenge their source of ultimate authority that trumps all other.

418 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:16:13am

re: #411 Aunty Entity Dragon

Apparently she is a home schooling mom, which means her little snowflakes are on their eventual way to Patrick Henry College or Liberty University to slay science loving libtards…

Home schooling should be banned as child abuse. It’s not used to educate. It’s made to make little zombies obedient to right-wing Jesus.

419 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:16:58am

re: #356 A Mom Anon

There is ALWAYS room for pie.

That’s because in part to it being irrational.
;D

420 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:17:01am

re: #413 Ian G.

‘afternoon, Lizards, from the slightly-warmer-than-yesterday streets of New York. It feels more like December 13th than November 13th. I’m sure Bryan Fischer will chime in on how this makes climate change a myth.

Saw a Cooper’s Hawk panic a bunch of pigeons this morning in Battery Park. This comes on top of an amazing sighting a few weeks ago of a juvenile Red Tailed Hawk calmly eating a pigeon near two parked cars on a street in my Brooklyn neighborhood. New York becomes more and more of a bird-watcher’s delight every day.

A couple of years back we had three juvenile Redtail hawks hanging out in Fisher Park near downtown Greensboro (the park is lovely and fairly large). They would follow me when I went on walks and whenever I would stop, one or two of them would get down into the leaves and rustle about looking for a tasty tidbit. They would sometimes stake a territorial claim on my car…which was funny as hell:

Me: I need to drive somewhere!

Hawk: O really? I like it here, sucker. Get walking…

421 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:17:17am

re: #417 Feline Fearless Leader

— by their interpretation of the passages to mean exactly (and only) what they say it means.

FTFY.

It’s a power issue, not a philosophical one. And how dare you challenge their source of ultimate authority that trumps all other.

Oh yeah it’s definitely power related. My favorite still is when the anti-gay people feel the need to get that one scripture from Levitcus tattooed. When the same scripture bans tattoos too.

422 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:18:54am

re: #409 lawhawk

The GOP derisively called it that.

It’s official title, as per the US Code, Thomas, and any reputable legal citator:

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

It’s known by the acronym of PPACA, or the ACA (affordable care act).

Anyone who thinks that it’s really called Obamacare ought to be disregarded as being a partisan hack.

well, he really is a prize moron - his next sentence is this:

“This is to say that if it fails, not only will it hurt a swathe of innocent citizens — as many other messy initiatives have — but it will also discredit for a generation the worldview of its architects”

i’ve been trying to think of how the ACA could “fail”…

423 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:20:19am

re: #413 Ian G.

‘afternoon, Lizards, from the slightly-warmer-than-yesterday streets of New York. It feels more like December 13th than November 13th. I’m sure Bryan Fischer will chime in on how this makes climate change a myth.

Saw a Cooper’s Hawk panic a bunch of pigeons this morning in Battery Park. This comes on top of an amazing sighting a few weeks ago of a juvenile Red Tailed Hawk calmly eating a pigeon near two parked cars on a street in my Brooklyn neighborhood. New York becomes more and more of a bird-watcher’s delight every day.

I remember walking through a parking lot near my office one early spring day when I heard a soft “thud” and then feathers fell down around me. I glanced behind me and a Peregrine Falcon (one of two nesting on the Capitol dome) was standing on top of a pigeon. I really wished I’d had a camera with me that day.

424 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:21:15am

re: #422 dog philosopher

well, he really is a prize moron - his next sentence is this:

“This is to say that if it fails, not only will it hurt a swathe of innocent citizens — as many other messy initiatives have — but it will also discredit for a generation the worldview of its architects”

i’ve been trying to think of how the ACA could “fail”…

Working hard here to keep it from failing. it can fail, mostly on timelines. It’s also very vulnerable to insurance company bailout, given any legal out. All but 3 Alabama counties have only one provider.

425 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:21:47am

re: #418 Ian G.

Home schooling should be banned as child abuse. It’s not used to educate. It’s made to make little zombies obedient to right-wing Jesus.

Religion aside, I have another beef with homeschooling and that’s I feel many of the parents who do it effectively isolate their kids from differing perspectives. I think that’s a key aspect of learning is having your mind challenged. I still contend that one of my best professors was an International Relations professor who was very hawkish on foreign manners but man she tested my mind. She was the reason why when I explored the State Dep’t as a career.

426 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:23:32am

re: #418 Ian G.

Home schooling should be banned as child abuse. It’s not used to educate. It’s made to make little zombies obedient to right-wing Jesus.

I do know leftists who home school. My sons best friend in Madison is now being home schooled with his little sister because their Elementary school refused to do anything about bullying and death threats against them. I’m not sure which curriculum they use but it’s secular & scientific.

It’s an easy thing to say “ban it”. Like all easy things the unintended consequences are far worse.

427 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:28:37am

re: #426 William Barnett-Lewis

I do know leftists who home school. My sons best friend in Madison is now being home schooled with his little sister because their Elementary school refused to do anything about bullying and death threats against them. I’m not sure which curriculum they use but it’s secular & scientific.

It’s an easy thing to say “ban it”. Like all easy things the unintended consequences are far worse.

Yeah I don’t favor banning it either for those reasons. Terrible what your son’s friend and his sister went through. I don’t blame his parents at all.


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