Democrats Fight Back Against GOP Misogynists: Historic Pro-Choice Bill to Be Introduced in Congress

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Here’s some great news: Democrats in the House and Senate are finally starting to fight back against the hideous barrage of anti-choice laws sponsored by fanatical religious right Republicans: Historic Pro-Choice Bill to Be Introduced in Congress.

Following an unprecedented three-year wave of state legislative attacks on abortion and family planning services, a group of Democratic lawmakers in the House and Senate plan to go on the offensive Wednesday with a historic bill that would make it illegal for states to chip away at women’s reproductive rights.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) will introduce the Women’s Health Protection Act of 2013, joined by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) and Reps. Marcia Fudge (D-Ohio), Judy Chu (D-Calif.) and Lois Frankel (D-Fla.). The bill would prohibit states from passing so-called Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers (TRAP) laws, which impose strict and cost-prohibitive building standards on abortion clinics, require women seeking abortions to have ultrasounds, and create other barriers to abortion access.

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“In states like Texas and Wisconsin, legislatures are passing bills with the false pretext of protecting health when their only objective is to obstruct and curtail access to safe and legal abortions and reproductive services. These laws are largely unconstitutional, and some measure of certainty and clarity is required to preempt these regulations and laws so women are not deterred in their very personal decisions based on their own values on how they want to use their constitutional rights,” Blumenthal said. “The Women’s Health Protection Act will provide a clear and certain response to these regulations and laws that impose unnecessary tests, procedures and restrictions — including requirements for physical layout in clinics — on reproductive services.”

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:16:35am

Cue screams from the usual suspects about how this is protection of “abortion mills” and the suggestion that Congressional Democrats want more Gosnells setting up shop.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:17:45am

Good, about time they’ve started to fight back against those Dark Age zealots.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:18:24am

re: #1 Targetpractice

Cue screams from the usual suspects about how this is protection of “abortion mills” and the suggestion that Congressional Democrats want more Gosnells setting up shop.

I expect that and cries of states rights too.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:19:23am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I expect that and cries of states rights too.

Oh, most definitely.

Aunty Entity Dragon Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:19:43am

Nullification!

Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:22:21am

Remember Rush’s rant about turning our women into “abortion machines”?

FemNaziBitch Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:22:51am

We need the Equal Rights Amendment.

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:24:07am

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember Rush’s rant about turning our women into “abortion machines”?

Rush also created the meme that LIBRUL WIMMENS WILL CARRY A PREGNANCY ALL TEH WAY TO TEH DAY BEFORE BIRTH AND HAVE AN ABORTION JUST FOR TEH LULZ!!11!!!!!!!

#AbortionBarbie @WendyDavisTexas #ProChoice #Obamacare #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/6ARgApJmRi
— Billy Ray Bryant (@billyraybryant) November 2, 2013

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #7 FemNaziBitch

We need the Equal Rights Amendment.

Yes, we should have had that years ago. It’s worth noting that every Republican candidate post WWII until Reagan supported it. Actually not sure about Goldwater honestly but I know Ike, Nixon, and Ford all supported it.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:25:41am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Rush also created the meme that LIBRUL WIMMENS WILL CARRY A PREGNANCY ALL TEH WAY TO TEH DAY BEFORE BIRTH AND HAVE AN ABORTION JUST FOR TEH LULZ!!11!!!!!!!

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Conservative Compassion: Preserving the right of the fetus to kill its mother and commit suicide at any point in the pregnancy.

William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:26:07am

Eh, it’s probably a great bill but it’s not going to pass the house. Be good for the fund raising run up to 2014 elections though and I’m sure that’s what it’s really intended to do. Odds are I’ll have two dozen spam mails from Democratic fund raisers by this time tomorrow.

Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:27:25am

Sadly, this bill has as much chance of being passed into law as the proverbial ice cube in hell. The theocons in the house will never let it see the light of day.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:27:55am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I expect that and cries of states rights too.

Hell, now that I think about it, that will be their entire plan of attack, accusing Democrats of trampling all over “states rights.” Their “rights” to do what, however, will be downplayed as the usual innocuous term: “women’s health.”

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:28:26am

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, it’s probably a great bill but it’s not going to pass the house. Be good for the fund raising run up to 2014 elections though and I’m sure that’s what it’s really intended to do. Odds are I’ll have two dozen spam mails from Democratic fund raisers by this time tomorrow.

It can be good to get some votes on the record on this issue. Also good to destigmatize the pro-choice position, and raise awareness to a national level when there are people unaware of TRAP laws in other states.

erik_t Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:29:02am

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, it’s probably a great bill but it’s not going to pass the house. Be good for the fund raising run up to 2014 elections though and I’m sure that’s what it’s really intended to do. Odds are I’ll have two dozen spam mails from Democratic fund raisers by this time tomorrow.

That’s fine; I didn’t mind the first symbolic ACA repeal bill of the Congress, either.

(I was rather less fond of the thirtieth)

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:29:14am

re: #11 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh, it’s probably a great bill but it’s not going to pass the house. Be good for the fund raising run up to 2014 elections though and I’m sure that’s what it’s really intended to do. Odds are I’ll have two dozen spam mails from Democratic fund raisers by this time tomorrow.

And I’d feel much better about contributing to a Democrat who takes a pro-choice stand.

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:29:48am

re: #13 Targetpractice

Hell, now that I think about it, that will be their entire plan of attack, accusing Democrats of trampling all over “states rights.” Their “rights” to do what, however, will be downplayed as the usual innocuous term: “women’s health.”

“Women’s health” is the excuse sticker they paste on their requirements that janitor closets have to be a certain size.

But if it’s not an excuse to prevent abortion NO MOAR REGULASHUNZ!!!11!1!11!1!

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:29:59am

It obviously won’t pass but it’s something and shows “Hey, we have an alternative.”

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:31:03am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Rush also created the meme that LIBRUL WIMMENS WILL CARRY A PREGNANCY ALL TEH WAY TO TEH DAY BEFORE BIRTH AND HAVE AN ABORTION JUST FOR TEH LULZ!!11!!!!!!!

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The fucked up thing about this stupid cartoon is pretty any woman getting an abortion late term is doing so for health related reasons. These so called pro-lifers don’t get that abortion is a difficult choice for women and it’s certainly one they don’t do for shits and giggles and with a grin on their face.

piratedan Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:31:10am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Rush also created the meme that LIBRUL WIMMENS WILL CARRY A PREGNANCY ALL TEH WAY TO TEH DAY BEFORE BIRTH AND HAVE AN ABORTION JUST FOR TEH LULZ!!11!!!!!!!

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i just love the idea that there are women just lining up at the abortion drive thru to have a 3rd trimester abortion….

fucking asshats

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #15 erik_t

That’s fine; I didn’t mind the first symbolic ACA repeal bill of the Congress, either.

(I was rather less fond of the thirtieth)

Yeah once was fine with the ACA repeal but the other 43 were like okay guys this is getting stupid.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:31:37am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

“Women’s health” is the excuse sticker they paste on their requirements that janitor closets have to be a certain size.

But if it’s not an excuse to prevent abortion NO MOAR REGULASHUNZ!!!11!1!11!1!

“I’m against big government regulation!”
“But you support all sorts of regulation in order to shut down abortion clinics.”
“THAT’S DIFFERENT!!

FemNaziBitch Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:31:47am

It’s a step on the way to the ERA.

It is important.

FemNaziBitch Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:32:15am

bbl

Lidane Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:32:40am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Personally, this liberal woman would rather have expanded access to affordable birth control and emergency contraception. I don’t ever want to face a pregnancy, much less question what I would do in that situation. I’m not motherhood material.

Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #22 Targetpractice

“I’m against big government regulation!”
“But you support all sorts of regulation in order to shut down abortion clinics.”
[wingnut”THAT’S DIFFERENT!![/wingnut]

Missed a bracket on your first wing nut :-)

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:33:41am

re: #20 piratedan

i just love the idea that there are women just lining up at the abortion drive thru to have a 3rd trimester abortion….

fucking asshats

I think they really do have this image of a liberal woman cackling evilly as she gets an abortion. When in reality, it’s a difficult decision and there’s usually a bunch of noise outside by wingnut assholes calling her a slut and whore. Kind of stealing from Everlast here but “They don’t know what it’s like.” And neither do I for that matter being a guy but I at least try to empathize unlike tools like Rush who just throw sexist crap at women.

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:34:17am

What took so long? re: #14 wrenchwench

Why did they wait so long? Something changed.

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:34:46am

Also, when a woman has to terminate a pregnancy because of a life-threatening emergency, a “mother’s life” exception in an abortion ban law can actually kill her! When these complications develop time is of the essence and the situation can deteriorate rapidly while valuable time is wasted on filing applications for legal exception.

Bulworth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:34:48am

Wait, Democrats going on the offensive?!

This is really hard to believe. It will surely upset somebody. //

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:35:04am

re: #28 Political Atheist

What took so long?

Why did they wait so long? Something changed.

Maybe it was seeing the outpouring of support for Wendy Davis.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:35:53am

re: #26 Bubblehead II

Missed a bracket on your first wing nut :-)

Tis fixed.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:35:55am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

Also, when a woman has to terminate a pregnancy because of a life-threatening emergency, a “mother’s life” exception in an abortion ban law can actually kill her! When these complications develop time is of the essence and the situation can deteriorate rapidly while valuable time is wasted on filing applications for legal exception.

Which is one reason the Hyde Amendment needs to be killed.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:36:22am

Any one who thinks women will go out and have an abortion just because they can have shown they are too ignorant to be taken seriously and should be shunned by society.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:36:53am

re: #34 Kragar

Any one who thinks women will go out and have an abortion just because they can have shown they are too ignorant to be taken seriously and should be shunned by society.

Winner.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:37:06am

re: #30 Bulworth

Wait, Democrats going on the offensive?!

This is really hard to believe. It will surely upset somebody. //

It’s for show by this point, no real danger of it becoming law. Election year politics at their finest.

Bulworth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:37:32am

Has Chris Matthews heard about this yet? When he does, all the fainting couches and clutching pearls will be sold out. //

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:38:30am

re: #31 wrenchwench

That sounds right. Yup. It’s jumping on the bandwagon but we’ll take it. Shame they did not have the stones to lead on it. That also gives cover to the non TP GOP or GOP donor base/business interests to push out the TP guys.

piratedan Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:39:16am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I think they really do have this image of a liberal woman cackling evilly as she gets an abortion. When in reality, it’s a difficult decision and there’s usually a bunch of noise outside by wingnut assholes calling her a slut and whore. Kind of stealing from Everlast here but “They don’t know what it’s like.” And neither do I for that matter being a guy but I at least try to empathize unlike tools like Rush who just throw sexist crap at women.

very much agree, so much of the hate just trivializes the decision that is made… sometimes the results don’t show up til much later that there is a problem with your child… even more so to women who are being denied access to the only health care they can receive with the shutdown of these planned parenthood centers. If these guys were the fucking fiscal pragmatists that they say that they are, they would understand the financial burden that exists when anyone gives birth to a child that isn’t equipped to survive due to birth defects or other fatal illnesses.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:40:45am

re: #38 Political Atheist

That sounds right. Yup. It’s jumping on the bandwagon but we’ll take it. Shame they did not have the stones to lead on it. That also gives cover to the non TP GOP or GOP donor base/business interests to push out the TP guys.

Huh?

There is no bandwagon. One candidate for a state office does not a bandwagon make.

And I don’t understand your point about cover for non TP GOP.

lawhawk Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:40:52am

DHS official report that the ACA site has been cyberattacked on 16 occasions , which is relatively low compared to say the DoD websites:

Stempfley did not indicate whether any of the cyber attacks had been successful. But she said in later questioning they were “under investigation” and indicated they took place between Nov. 6 and Nov. 8.
Stempfley offered no other details about the attacks in response to questions by Rep. Mike McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the House Homeland Security committee.

At a separate hearing by the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday, Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., noted that 16 attempted cyberattacks is a low number compared to the number of onslaughts that other government websites are subjected to.

“Our own Pentagon is attacked several thousand times a day, and sometimes by foreign powers,” he said.

Republicans have sought to make an issue about potential security vulnerabilities of the health insurance website at the central of President Barack Obama’s signature Affordable Healthcare Act.

Noting the large amount of personal information that will be entered by consumers applying for health insurance on the site — including Social Security numbers, addresses and income information — McCaul said in his opening statement: “All of this information is a tempting target for hackers, identity thieves and other malicious actors. We already have reported cases of hacks, fraudulent websites and documented security vulnerabilities in the system.”

Yet, those attacks may also deny people access to the site to register and obtain insurance.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:42:39am

Ted Cruz Snr says atheism leads to child molestation. Somewhere a priest smiles while telling a little boy he has a cookie in his pocket.
— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) November 13, 2013

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:45:05am

re: #42 Kragar

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Yeah that terrible molestation scandal at American Atheists. Oh wait. Rafael is the best argument against Ted.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:46:14am

re: #41 lawhawk

DHS official report that the ACA site has been cyberattacked on 16 occasions , which is relatively low compared to say the DoD websites:

Yet, those attacks may also deny people access to the site to register and obtain insurance.

And, of course, nobody noted that the large amount of data is due to the fact that over half the fucking legislatures in this country decided that it would be a violation of their personal ideologies to set up exchanges of their own, leaving the Feds to take up the slack.

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:49:51am

re: #40 wrenchwench

The “momentum” as limited as it may be for now- helps the moderate / establishment/business wing of the GOP return to moderation. By pushing out as many TP fundies as they can.

It helps the “good guys” in the GOP civil war. Gives them something run with. Republican are a certain percentage of the electorate, but women are half. Female GOP voters can help swing that party back in the direction of sanity.

Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:52:01am

re: #45 Political Atheist

Female GOP voters can help swing that party back in the direction of sanity.

The sanity represented by Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle, Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin…

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:53:45am

re: #45 Political Atheist

The “momentum” as limited as it may be for now- helps the moderate / establishment/business wing of the GOP return to moderation. By pushing out as many TP fundies as they can.

It helps the “good guys” in the GOP civil war. Gives them something run with. Republican are a certain percentage of the electorate, but women are half. Female GOP voters can help swing that party back in the direction of sanity.

As I understand it, ‘moderate’ Republicans are just as opposed to abortion as Tea Partiers. More so, in some cases. Many early TPers claimed to be interested only in fiscal issues.

When it comes to women’s health, there are no ‘good guys’ in the GOP. That went out with Gerald and Betty Ford.

erik_t Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:54:07am

Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

House Republicans will not negotiate over the Senate’s immigration reform bill, Speaker John Boehner said, dealing another blow to the chances of an overhaul being signed into law this year. “Frankly, I’ll make clear, we have no intention of ever going to conference on the Senate bill,” Boehner told reporters Wednesday morning.

Rebranding!

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:55:00am

re: #47 wrenchwench

As I understand it, ‘moderate’ Republicans are just as opposed to abortion as Tea Partiers. More so, in some cases. Many early TPers claimed to be interested only in fiscal issues.

When it comes to women’s health, there are no ‘good guys’ in the GOP. That went out with Gerald and Betty Ford.

Right. I can’t remember the last time there was actually a serious Republican contender for president who was pro choice. I don’t count Giuliani since he was what I’d call a paper frontrunner.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:55:38am

re: #48 erik_t

Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

Rebranding!

Boehner continues to be an ass, shocker.

Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:57:31am

Interesting.

S.F. programmers build alternative to HealthCare.gov

Liang showed CBS News how it worked. “You come to our website and you put in your zip code — in this case a California zip code. You hit ‘find plans,’ and you immediately see the exchange plans that are available for that zip code.”

*snip*

You can’t actually enroll on the HealthSherpa site, but they do provide contact information for companies offering the plans. Users who find a plan they like can go directly to the insurance companies without ever using HealthCare.gov.

thehealthsherpa.com

They currently don’t have information on plans from the States that have their own Exchanges (Idaho, Nevada,ect) but are working to incorporate that information as it becomes available. They do provide links to those State Exchanges though.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:57:57am

For Libertarianism to Work, People Have to Know All the Things All the Time http://t.co/QWTR8UYtED
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 13, 2013

Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:58:06am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Right. I can’t remember the last time there was actually a serious Republican contender for president who was pro choice. I don’t count Giuliani since he was what I’d call a paper frontrunner.

One of the reasons McCain had to take on Sarah Palin was that his “moderate” views on social policy threatened to alienate the religious right.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:59:32am

re: #48 erik_t

Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

Rebranding!

Did the House actually pass its own bill? I thought they were still having trouble deciding just how badly they wanted to fuck over undocumented workers.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 10:59:54am

re: #53 Sol Berdinowitz

One of the reasons McCain had to take on Sarah Palin was that his “moderate” views on social policy threatened to alienate the religious right.

Yeah but McCain wasn’t and isn’t pro-choice but that’s a good point. Rampant anti-choice beliefs in the GOP establishment aren’t something that the TP brought in. In fact as WW points out, the establishment is just as and in some cases more anti-choice.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:00:12am

re: #53 Sol Berdinowitz

One of the reasons McCain had to take on Sarah Palin was that his “moderate” views on social policy threatened to alienate the religious right.

Yeah, there’s your outreach to women. *gag*

Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:01:03am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Yeah but McCain wasn’t and isn’t pro-choice but that’s a good point. Rampant anti-choice beliefs in the GOP establishment aren’t something that the TP brought in. In fact as WW points out, the establishment is just as and in some cases more anti-choice.

He was not ravenously pro-life enough for them, same difference.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:01:12am

re: #56 wrenchwench

Yeah, there’s your outreach to women. *gag*

They simply thought choosing a woman would be enough to get women. It’s stupid. Same trick here for Lt Governor except with African Americans and then when women and other groups vote against their crazy candidates, they claim that Dems are the real racists and sexists!

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:01:35am

re: #57 Sol Berdinowitz

He was not ravenously pro-life enough for them, same difference.

True enough and that is why Lieberman was a no way in hell for them.

bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:03:29am

re: #51 Bubblehead II

That’s hardly an ‘alternative’. It’s the bare-bones minimum, and it’s the easy stuff.

Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:03:35am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Conservative Compassion: Preserving the right of the fetus to kill its mother and commit suicide at any point in the pregnancy.

Conservative Compassion: Protecting the life of the unborn….until it’s actually born, at which point the lazy moocher better get a job for $.05 a day in the textile mills like they did back in the halcyon days of the 19th century.

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:04:18am

re: #46 Sol Berdinowitz

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a sever split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

re: #49 HappyWarrior

BTW this is partly an age thing. I have seen and voted for the GOP when chioce was in the platform. When the fundies did not hold sway. But I have been of voting age since 1978.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:05:04am

re: #61 Ian G.

Conservative Compassion: Protecting the life of the unborn….until it’s actually born, at which point the lazy moocher better get a job for $.05 a day in the textile mills like they did back in the halcyon days of the 19th century.

Plus, if they don’t like the job in the textile mill, they should just quit and get a new job or better yet, just start their own business.
/

Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:05:14am

re: #42 Kragar

Watch ol’ Pope Benedict come out with that defense.

“Yeah, those priests who molested children? They were all atheists and impostors in representing Christ!”

“So why did you protect them from the authorities and threaten excommunication for anyone who stood up for the victims?”

“Uhhhh…….”

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:06:02am

Not entirely off topic:

I can’t remember whose tweet I got this from. This is an entertaining read about Phyllis Schlafley. (Those are words I have never mashed into one sentence before.)

THE TIME PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY INCITED A RIOT

A small excerpt:

[…]

But nobody fucked with Phyllis Schlafly! Except for her husband, and that was just the “Christian tradition of chivalry,” by the way, not rape.

Phyllis wanted to be, she had to be, the next president of the NFRW. After Barry Goldwater’s stunning loss, she had to purify the Republican Party at the grassroots level. In order to ensure that the GOP would nominate ultra-conservative candidates in ‘68, she would have to defeat those “Rockefeller Republicans,” defy those “New York Kingmakers” and control the direction of the NFRW so she could use its 500,000 members to do her bidding (along with all the ‘68 campaign grunt work).

But in a separate reality, meaning the world outside Phyllis’s feverish mind, nobody wanted her. Goldwater distanced himself from her during his presidential campaign; even after all she’d done to get him nominated in the first place. “She was, some of his advisers felt, just too conservative.” She’d already pissed off Nixon when she led a revolt of “moral conservatives” at the 1960 Republican convention against his (and Rockefeller’s) support of civil rights.

[…]

erik_t Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:06:14am

re: #62 Political Atheist

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a severe split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

On some topics, yes.

As far as curtailing of womens’ rights goes, they’re very nearly in lockstep.

EmmaAnne Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:06:47am

re: #47 wrenchwench

As I understand it, ‘moderate’ Republicans are just as opposed to abortion as Tea Partiers. More so, in some cases. Many early TPers claimed to be interested only in fiscal issues.

When it comes to women’s health, there are no ‘good guys’ in the GOP. That went out with Gerald and Betty Ford.

I actually know at least two Republicans who are prochoice, and are fine with gays too. Lower taxes trump everything else. I don’t really get that level of greed, but of course they think lower taxes are better for the country so it isn’t greed at all. (yeah right)

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:07:07am

re: #62 Political Atheist

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a sever split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

BTW this is partly an age thing. I have seen and voted for the GOP when chioce was in the platform. When the fundies did not hold sway. But I have been of voting age since 1978.

Do you know of any pro-choice Republicans who hold national or state-level elective office now?

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:09:41am

re: #47 wrenchwench

As I understand it, ‘moderate’ Republicans are just as opposed to abortion as Tea Partiers. More so, in some cases. Many early TPers claimed to be interested only in fiscal issues.

When it comes to women’s health, there are no ‘good guys’ in the GOP. That went out with Gerald and Betty Ford.

That’s untrue. There are millions of urban GOP women who are pro choice. California has them.

Gotta run to some work…

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:11:00am

Alex Jones endorses pro-coup rally against “evil,” “crony capitalist” and “communist” Obama admin http://t.co/840K8TEv0t
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) November 13, 2013

Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:12:23am

re: #60 bubba zanetti

That’s hardly an ‘alternative’. It’s the bare-bones minimum, and it’s the easy stuff.

True, You still have to go through the Exchange if you want to qualify for the subsidy, but on the other I don’t see why it can’t be used as a tool to find out what’s available in your area and a estimate of what it’s going to cost you.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:13:00am

re: #69 Political Atheist

That’s untrue. There are millions of urban GOP women who are pro choice. California has them.

Gotta run to some work…

Look at the platform.

Urban GOP women who believe in access to abortion, yet vote for anti-choice candidates are anti-choice, IMHO.

Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:13:17am

So not everything at Right-Wing Watch makes me despair for our country:

Southern Baptist Spokesman Condemns Barton And Copeland For ‘Shocking And Unconscionable’ PTSD Remarks’

It’s just nice to see the American Khomeini David Barton taking fire from his own side.

Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:15:08am

heh…

Funny. Christianist baffled by an encounter with Christianity… http://t.co/DfAfJf6ZkY via @MailOnline (via @VictoriaPeckham )
— Tom Sutcliffe (@tds153) November 13, 2013

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:15:55am

re: #70 Kragar

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That’s right, aren’t we five days away from the President being arrested and tried for treason by a citizen’s jury?

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:17:29am

re: #75 Targetpractice

That’s right, aren’t we five days away from the President being arrested and tried for treason by a citizen’s jury?

/

November 17th I think was the day that the pedophile Larry Klayman had set for his coup.

Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:19:57am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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I’d love to see a theological debate between Pope Francis and Caribou Barbie. It would make the Battle of Tsushima seem like an even fight.

bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:20:09am

re: #71 Bubblehead II

It’s being passed around by the wingnuts as “Why are we paying 11ty trillion dollars on something 3 guys built in a weekend?” .

It does the same thing EHealthInsurance does, but without any information about what’s actually in the plans. It wouldn’t shock me if they’re getting their prices by screen-scraping something like EHealthInsurance.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:23:38am

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

In an Institute for Creation Research radio bulletin, Dr. John Morris claimed that thorns on plants are proof that evolution is nothing but a myth. He told co-host Chris O’Brien that Genesis 3 includes a curse on plants as “thorns and thistles are a direct result of Adam’s sin.”

He claims on a certain ryegrass, a certain fungus sometimes “grows unchecked” and “chokes out the plant” because “a particular gene in the fungus was turned off through mutation.” “Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires,” Morris argued. “Face it Chris, evolution just doesn’t work, it doesn’t fit the facts and it certainly doesn’t agree with the ‘back to Genesis’ truth of creation.”

Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:24:05am

re: #62 Political Atheist

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a sever split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

Was just being facetious…but also pointing out that there are a lot of totally crazy wimmins in the GOP

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:24:55am

re: #70 Kragar

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Wait he’s a crony capitalist and communist. Of course!

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:25:49am

Wowie wow. Check out the birds made of paper.

Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:25:59am

re: #72 wrenchwench

Look at the platform.

Urban GOP women who believe in access to abortion, yet vote for anti-choice candidates are anti-choice, IMHO.

Yeah, it’s that “for me but not for thee” bullshit.

Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:26:13am

re: #72 wrenchwench

Look at the platform.

Urban GOP women who believe in access to abortion, yet vote for anti-choice candidates are anti-choice, IMHO.

I am painfully aware of the platform. The TP people pushed it a long way over. Then just to defend my point, NOT promote the GOP there is the Republicans for Choice PAC. I could dig up more but maybe you see who I refer to.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:26:21am

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

And let me guess, the fellow thinks that tumors and cancers of the body are punishment for our sins?

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:27:33am

re: #62 Political Atheist

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a sever split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

BTW this is partly an age thing. I have seen and voted for the GOP when chioce was in the platform. When the fundies did not hold sway. But I have been of voting age since 1978.

And i can remember Connie Morella here in DC.NOVA/SOMD. What WW has been trying to tell you is that the GOP’s platform and prominent officials are all anti-chocie and have been so for a very long time now and that business/establishment wing that the TP resents is just as anti-choice and in some cases more so than the TP.

GlutenFreeJesus Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

Mutations? Magneto should have a chat with this fella.

Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:28:09am

re: #85 Targetpractice

And let me guess, the fellow thinks that tumors and cancers of the body are punishment for our sins?

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

erik_t Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:28:20am

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

He claims on a certain ryegrass, a certain fungus sometimes “grows unchecked” and “chokes out the plant” because “a particular gene in the fungus was turned off through mutation.” “Mutations are thought to be the main mechanism by which evolution occurs but every mutation we see is harmful, not helpful as evolution requires,” Morris argued. “Face it Chris, evolution just doesn’t work, it doesn’t fit the facts and it certainly doesn’t agree with the ‘back to Genesis’ truth of creation.”

I’d love to know his thoughts on how carrying a single sickle-cell-anemia allele makes a person resistant to malaria, and how that is harmful.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:28:36am

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

Yeah smh says the blue eyed guy.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:30:58am

re: #84 Political Atheist

I am painfully aware of the platform. The TP people pushed it a long way over. Then just to defend my point, NOT promote the GOP there is the Republicans for Choice PAC. I could dig up more but maybe you see who I refer to.

Please, the GOP platform was anti-choice when the TP movement wasn’t even an idea. You can point out that Pro-choice Republican PAC and I don’t think anyone’s disputed you that there are individuals who vote Republican who believe abortion should be legal. There are likewise people who think the opposite and vote Democratic.

Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:30:59am

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

Not even a grade-school level understanding of evolutionary theory. Wonder how his belief factors in antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria. Oh, I know, “it kills the host, which means it’s harmful!”

Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:31:03am

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

I laugh/cry every time a creationist opens his mouth and demonstrates just how appallingly ignorant of biology he is.

wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:31:42am

re: #84 Political Atheist

I am painfully aware of the platform. The TP people pushed it a long way over. Then just to defend my point, NOT promote the GOP there is the Republicans for Choice PAC. I could dig up more but maybe you see who I refer to.

You are wrong to blame the TP for the Republican anti-choice position. It pre-dates the TP.

Republicans for Choice:

Organization with goal to “rebuild the pro-choice movement in the U.S. Republican Party.” Not affiliated with the Republican Party.

Website last modified over a year ago.

HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:31:49am

re: #93 Ian G.

I laugh/cry every time a creationist opens his mouth and demonstrates just how appallingly ignorant of biology he is.

It bothers me and I was merely an average science student.

Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:31:49am

It might be time to quit, and get yourself into rehab, Mr. Ford.

Summary of newly released court documents detail more allegations of drug and alcohol use by Toronto Mayor Rob Ford #torpoli #RobFord
— CBC News Alerts (@CBCAlerts) November 13, 2013

Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:32:15am

re: #51 Bubblehead II

Interesting.

S.F. programmers build alternative to HealthCare.gov

Liang showed CBS News how it worked. “You come to our website and you put in your zip code — in this case a California zip code. You hit ‘find plans,’ and you immediately see the exchange plans that are available for that zip code.”

*snip*

You can’t actually enroll on the HealthSherpa site, but they do provide contact information for companies offering the plans. Users who find a plan they like can go directly to the insurance companies without ever using HealthCare.gov.

thehealthsherpa.com

They currently don’t have information on plans from the States that have their own Exchanges (Idaho, Nevada,ect) but are working to incorporate that information as it becomes available. They do provide links to those State Exchanges though.

It’s an alternative to healthcare.gov just the way a phonebook is an alternative to a library.

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:32:50am

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

Whenever a creationist says it’s impossible for fish to walk on land, I like to send them this video:
Youtube Video

The War TARDIS Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:32:58am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have nothing nice to say about the dimwitted beauty queen who way past the expiration date and is as rancid as rotten eggs.

I love Pope Francis though. We need a head at Al-Azhar University like him to oppose the Saudi Government and the Muslim Brotherhood.

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:34:19am

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

Whenever a creationist says it’s impossible for fish to walk on land, I like to send them this video:
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Damn I was hoping this was a Muddy Mudskipper clip, VB.
Who’s the greatest mudskipper of them all?
Who can skip through the mud with the greatest of ease?
What kind of wonderful guy?

Who can crawl like a dog without scraping his knees?
Who’s got segmented eyes?
It’s Muddy Mudskipper, it’s Muddy Mudskipper
It’s the Muddy Mudskipper show

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:34:23am

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

Whenever a creationist says it’s impossible for fish to walk on land, I like to send them this video:
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Beyond a certain point,,, there is no point.

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:37:03am

Boy with Bicycle. (Image by Seydou Keita) pic.twitter.com/BcEW2lCvay
— Dwayne Rodgers (@DiggsWayne) November 13, 2013

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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:37:18am

To me the dispute the TPGOP and establishment have isn’t really even over social issues. It’s how to pursue them. Chris Christie, it has been noted is just as anti-gay marriage and anti-choice as Ken Cuccinelli but he doesn’t wear those on his sleeve the way Cuccinelli does. Sorry, that’s not being a moderate. That’s Christie being sane and realizing he can’t sound like a social issues zealot in New Jersey.

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Interesting Times Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:39:47am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

It might be time to quit, and get yourself into rehab, Mr. Ford.

Summary of newly released court documents detail more allegations of drug and alcohol use by Toronto Mayor Rob Ford #torpoli #RobFord
— CBC News Alerts (@CBCAlerts) November 13, 2013

♫ They’re trying to make Ford go to rehab, but he says no, no, no… ♫

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Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:42:27am

“Addlepated Homunculus” is an insult that doesn't get used nearly as often as it should.
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 13, 2013

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Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:44:54am

re: #78 bubba zanetti

It’s being passed around by the wingnuts as “Why are we paying 11ty trillion dollars on something 3 guys built in a weekend?” .

It does the same thing EHealthInsurance does, but without any information about what’s actually in the plans. It wouldn’t shock me if they’re getting their prices by screen-scraping something like EHealthInsurance.

Ok. Didn’t really dig into it that far as it doesn’t really apply to me as Idaho has its own exchange and my Wife and I are eligible for insurance through our employer. Just found the article interesting and thought others here would too.

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Bubblehead II Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:47:14am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

It’s an alternative to healthcare.gov just the way a phonebook is an alternative to a library.

As has been pointed out to me.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:49:08am

re: #62 Political Atheist

That is exactly the opposite of what I said. You do recognize there is a sever split in the party right? All those references to the GOP civil war etc?

BTW this is partly an age thing. I have seen and voted for the GOP when chioce was in the platform. When the fundies did not hold sway. But I have been of voting age since 1978.

You’re old.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:50:36am

re: #107 Bubblehead II

As has been pointed out to me.

It’s a story that wants to be true—one of my aged campus radical friends
brought it to me the other night. Still getting firm (IT—cough) promises for
a 30 Nov fix.

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Ian G. Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:50:44am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

It bothers me and I was merely an average science student.

I was actually really good at freshman bio, but the years and years and years of med school (not to mention dissection of human cadavers) that would have come with a doctor’s career path did not appeal to me.

So here I am, 15 years later, working in marketing, and fine with that.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:52:02am

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

This is me rolling on the floor laughing my fucking ass off.

Ouch.

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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:52:03am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Please, the GOP platform was anti-choice when the TP movement wasn’t even an idea. You can point out that Pro-choice Republican PAC and I don’t think anyone’s disputed you that there are individuals who vote Republican who believe abortion should be legal. There are likewise people who think the opposite and vote Democratic.

More than a few individuals, maybe you remember the Democrats for Reagan? Meet the Obama Republican Women.

The issue of choice provides a greater opening for
Obama than other core
Democratic issues.
The issue of abortion is the only issue on which these pro
-choice
Republican women think Obama will do a better job tha
n McCain, by a 38 - 26 percent
margin. As the table below demonstrates, Obama has a d
eficit of at least 27 points on every other issue tested. While the Independent women a re inclined to think Obama will do a better job than McCain on all of these issues by rela
tively wide margins, they give him the biggest advantage on the issue of abortion

prochoiceamerica.org

IF as I do you believe in the two party as check and balance system-A better GOP would make for better legislation, sensible check and balance etc.

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Bulworth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:52:44am

I am just shocked, shocked beyond belief:

Washington (CNN) - If there were any doubts that comprehensive immigration reform efforts were dead on Capitol Hill this year, House Speaker John Boehner eliminated them on Wednesday.

Boehner repeated his long standing opposition to the Senate-passed immigration bill and his pledge the House would never vote on it, but he went a step further, drawing a bright line: “I’ll make clear we have no intention ever of going to conference on the Senate bill.”

I blame Obama. //

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:53:09am

re: #76 Kragar

November 17th I think was the day that the pedophile Larry Klayman had set for his coup.

I think that’s been postponed until Ted Nugent comes back to life or gets out of jail.

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Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:54:27am

re: #110 Ian G.

I was actually really good at freshman bio, but the years and years and years of med school (not to mention dissection of human cadavers) that would have come with a doctor’s career path did not appeal to me.

So here I am, 15 years later, working in marketing, and fine with that.

I actually had a scholarship for chemistry, until during my second semester of organic chemistry, when I realized there was no way I could actually spend my life as a chemist. So I ran off and joined the USMC as infantry.

20 years later, I’m a computer security specialist.

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:54:33am

re: #113 Bulworth

I am just shocked, shocked beyond belief:

I blame Obama. //

Ah, Brave Sir Robin flees again.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:55:21am

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

The vast majority of mutations are neutral. They only become good or bad when the environment changes.

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Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:56:08am

WHAT IF gender-biased laws targeted men instead? #womensrights are human rights. #UniteBlue #feminism #abortion pic.twitter.com/Vcp6a2Vs0O
— objkshn (@objkshn) November 13, 2013

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:56:15am

re: #112 Political Atheist

More than a few individuals, maybe you remember the Democrats for Reagan? Meet the Obama Republican Women.

prochoiceamerica.org

IF as I do you believe in the two party as check and balance system-A better GOP would make for better legislation, sensible check and balance etc.

That shows Republicans’ likelihood of voting for a pro-choice DEMOCRAT. No evidence of Republicans promoting choice within their party.

Why do you persist in believing that Republicans have been or can become more sane over this issue? I have seen NO evidence for it.

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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:58:15am

re: #68 wrenchwench

Do you know of any pro-choice Republicans who hold national or state-level elective office now?

EDIT-My point is how to help change that. Not that it has happened.

This is the kind of thing I refer to, that many seem to think is non existent.
huffingtonpost.com
The split within the Kansas GOP has taken on increasing importance since 2011 with moderate Republican senators regularly uniting with Democrats to block proposals from the more conservative House and Gov. Sam Brownback (R).

The abortion issue is one of many that will decide the Kansas Senate primaries. The others include education funding, the selection process for appeals court judges, the future of the state’s tax code and state strip-club policy. Senators facing primaries include the top leadership in the chamber.

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 11:59:25am

re: #117 b_sharp

The vast majority of mutations are neutral. They only become good or bad when the environment changes.

The Peppered Moth would like a word with this moron.

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:00:33pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

The Peppered Moth would like a word with this moron.

The lightly-peppered moth, or the heavily-peppered moth?

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:01:16pm

re: #120 Political Atheist

This is the kind of thing I refer to, that many seem to think is non existent.
huffingtonpost.com
The split within the Kansas GOP has taken on increasing importance since 2011 with moderate Republican senators regularly uniting with Democrats to block proposals from the more conservative House and Gov. Sam Brownback (R).

The abortion issue is one of many that will decide the Kansas Senate primaries. The others include education funding, the selection process for appeals court judges, the future of the state’s tax code and state strip-club policy. Senators facing primaries include the top leadership in the chamber.

I’ll take that as a ‘no’ in answer to the question you quoted.

This link (which is a year and a half old) shows that there are pro-choice Republicans. I never denied that. What I deny is that they have any influence within their party.

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darthstar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:01:40pm

On November 13, Felix Unger was asked to remove himself from his place of residence. pic.twitter.com/CudioKMNRS
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 13, 2013

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:01:43pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

The lightly-peppered moth, or the heavily-peppered moth?

Depends on the dish. I like a lot of pepper on most things.

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Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:02:55pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Depends on the dish. I like a lot of pepper on most things.

/

“You lika da pepper?”
/snl

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darthstar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:02:57pm

It's about #Obamacare my ass. It's about $28 BILLION FREAKIN DOLLARS the #teaparty blew due 2 #GOPShutdown #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/vt1fjmzeL1
— Aika Rumba (@I_Karumba) November 13, 2013

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:02:59pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Depends on the dish. I like a lot of pepper on most things.

/

Then you’ll want the one that adapted to soot-darkened environments.

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Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:04:27pm

This is what the very rich are doing with all that loot they’re hoarding.

Global art market sizzles with $142 million Bacon sale

reuters.com

I confess I don’t know much about art, just about what I like (the Impressionists come to mind), and frankly, I can’t see this bringing such a price. Still looking for a frame for that Manet print (already double matted) from the National Gallery.

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Pumpkin Pie Of Zion Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:05:10pm

HURR HURR LIBRULZ KILLINGS TEH 35-WEEK BABYBEE FOR TEH LULZ!!!1!!!!!!

@jmattbarber #BarackObama supports the murder of unborn babies in the 3rd trimester. What else do we need to know? pic.twitter.com/y34JcWjVv0
— Dick Keaton (@dickkeaton) November 13, 2013

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Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:07:16pm

Tea Party Congressmen to GOP: Screw you, I got mine http://t.co/0WsVcpndLO
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 13, 2013

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Kragar Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:09:12pm

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LIBRULZ KILLINGS TEH 35-WEEK BABYBEE FOR TEH LULZ!!!1!!!!!!

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Yeah liberals just sit around, waiting for 20 weeks and then say, “Hey honey, lets go out and have an abortion today!”

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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:09:45pm

Dogaphant pic.twitter.com/MhSIm4rNtm
— Animal Mashups (@AnimalMashups) November 13, 2013

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:10:40pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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Another failed rebranding effort.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:11:06pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Depends on the dish. I like a lot of pepper on most things.

/

I love pepper. My stomach doesn’t.

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Political Atheist Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:12:29pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

I’ll take that as a ‘no’ in answer to the question you quoted.

This link (which is a year and a half old) shows that there are pro-choice Republicans. I never denied that. What I deny is that they have any influence within their party.

Right. And I’m not saying they have it now. But I do not assume that to be a permanent condition. Not if the party survives anyway. I was just pointing at a little momentum in a direction I am sure we agree is a good thing.

The critics will posit this as a permanent condition. But I have seen too many changes in parties over the decades to buy into that idea too deep,

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:13:10pm

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR LIBRULZ KILLINGS TEH 35-WEEK BABYBEE FOR TEH LULZ!!!1!!!!!!

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And what percentage of those 3rd trimester abortions are done because the baby isn’t viable or the mother’s health is in jeopardy?

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Targetpractice Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:14:46pm

re: #137 b_sharp

And what percentage of those 3rd trimester abortions are done because the baby isn’t viable or the mother’s health is in jeopardy?

It’s God’s plan!

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:17:20pm

re: #88 Kragar

I particularly enjoyed the “all mutations are bad” bit.

They believe only in macro-mutation not micro-mutation.

That’s irony for you.

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:17:56pm

re: #136 Political Atheist

Right. And I’m not saying they have it now. But I do not assume that to be a permanent condition. Not if the party survives anyway. I was just pointing at a little momentum in a direction I am sure we agree is a good thing.

The critics will posit this as a permanent condition. But I have seen too many changes in parties over the decades to buy into that idea too deep,

I do not see the momentum you are pointing at.

I do not see it as a good thing for pro-choice people to support any Republicans. Until the party becomes sane, all sustenance should be withheld.

I do think two sane parties would be better than what we have now, but the Republicans are nowhere near sane, and any support for them is an attack on women.

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Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:20:57pm

Domestic terrorist? The usual suspects?

Police seek possible serial bomber in Oregon

investigations.nbcnews.com

“The Coos Bay Police Department released a composite sketch of a person believed to have been in the vicinity of the Prayer Chapel shortly before the IED was found there. Witnesses described that person as a white man, approximately 55 years old, 5’6”-5’7” tall, and about 150 pounds with a shaved head.

“A motive for Wednesday’s Medford blast is under investigation and authorities are examining whether the Jackson County District Attorney’s office was targeted because of a past or ongoing criminal matter or some related grudge.

“The D.A.’s office receives threats on a regular basis,” said Medford Police Chief Tim George during a morning press conference, “but it it very unusual to have an actual attack. We had no prior knowledge of this attack. We are pulling resources from the Seattle and Portland areas.”

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:22:05pm

re: #111 b_sharp

This is me rolling on the floor laughing my fucking ass off.

Ouch.

At the same time God cursed a bunch of various insects and other animals to start *resembling* same thorns.
///

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dog philosopher Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:24:43pm

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

Witnesses described that person as a white man, approximately 55 years old, 5’6”-5’7” tall, and about 150 pounds with a shaved head

you should never bring the shaved head into the chapel with you. leave it in the car

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:25:16pm

re: #143 dog philosopher

you should never bring the shaved head into the chapel with you. leave it in the car

I keep mine in a bowling ball bag.

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Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:27:53pm

re: #143 dog philosopher

you should never bring the shaved head into the chapel with you. leave it in the car

Haha, or at least cover it with a baseball cap…

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Slap Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:29:26pm

re: #126 Kragar

“You lika da pepper?”
/snl

“Pepper’s good, eh?”

Although, truth be told, the leering delivery is much better with the original word, “sauce”…..that sketch still makes me laugh….

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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:30:16pm

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 1974 pic.twitter.com/1CQeKxoeAq
— Behind the Scenes (@MakingOfs) November 13, 2013

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:31:26pm

My laptop is getting so pretty.

My Crack

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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:31:45pm

Pig Island is an uninhabited island located in Exuma, The Bahamas, known for being populated by many swimming pigs. pic.twitter.com/HsCENza9bx
— Fascinating Pictures (@Fascinatingpics) November 13, 2013

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Justanotherhuman Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:32:32pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Hmmm. Pigs never had it so good.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:33:20pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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I need to buy that island.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:33:21pm

Earlier question about what day is the revolution?
Tuesday, November 19.

Larry Klayman’s Declaration of Independence: Link goes to wingnut site

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HoosierHoops Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:33:58pm

I never saw this coming lizards..
After announcing my early retirement Tuesday, I have been getting phone calls off the fricking hook all day from associates world-wide.
I am crying..seriously..Tears in my eyes and choked up like never before..
I can barely read the emails pouring into my inbox..The Hoopster doesn’t cry folks..I’m the so-called tough guy in person but kind on-line to every one.
The tears won’t stop.. I’ll miss my colleagues..My friends..Oklahoma, ( For some reason )
This is my heart as it breaks for the world to see..
I never saw it coming..

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Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:34:41pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

Not entirely off topic:

I can’t remember whose tweet I got this from. This is an entertaining read about Phyllis Schlafley. (Those are words I have never mashed into one sentence before.)

THE TIME PHYLLIS SCHLAFLY INCITED A RIOT

A small excerpt:

That was damned interesting. Goes to show that insanity appears to be contagious and heritable.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:35:24pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I never saw this coming lizards..
After announcing my early retirement Tuesday, I have been getting phone calls off the fricking hook all day from associates world-wide.
I am crying..seriously..Tears in my eyes and choked up like never before..
I can barely read the emails pouring into my inbox..The Hoopster doesn’t cry folks..I’m the so-called tough guy in person but kind on-line to every one.
The tears won’t stop.. I’ll miss my colleagues..My friends..Oklahoma, ( For some reason )
This is my heart as it breaks for the world to see..
I never saw it coming..

Invite them for a swim.

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:36:28pm

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

Ever wonder why most of the mutations that people hear about are deleterious? It’s really pretty simple:

1) Nobody will ever know about silent mutations, or mutations within noncoding regions, or neutral mutations.

2) Beneficial mutations would show up as the absence of problems. Nobody goes to the doctor because they DON’T have cancer, or when they’ve NOT gotten sick.

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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:37:11pm

re: #153 HoosierHoops

I never saw this coming lizards..
After announcing my early retirement Tuesday, I have been getting phone calls off the fricking hook all day from associates world-wide.
I am crying..seriously..Tears in my eyes and choked up like never before..
I can barely read the emails pouring into my inbox..The Hoopster doesn’t cry folks..I’m the so-called tough guy in person but kind on-line to every one.
The tears won’t stop.. I’ll miss my colleagues..My friends..Oklahoma, ( For some reason )
This is my heart as it breaks for the world to see..
I never saw it coming..

What you’re doing is essentially *winning* the rat race. You are getting heartily felt congratulations from those who appreciate what it takes (or what one has to go through) to get the opportunity you have. Plus, apparently, a lot of people think highly of you and want to thank you for being in their lives.*

* - And it’s much better for you to hear it in person rather than it being said at your funeral. (Not meant as a joke, it’s damn nice to be appreciated in one’s own time.)

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:38:07pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Oh, for a boat, a bowfishing rig, some sharp knives, a fire, and some jerk sauce….

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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:38:15pm

re: #156 GeneJockey

Ever wonder why most of the mutations that people hear about are deleterious? It’s really pretty simple:

1) Nobody will ever know about silent mutations, or mutations within noncoding regions, or neutral mutations.

2) Beneficial mutations would show up as the absence of problems. Nobody goes to the doctor because they DON’T have cancer, or when they’ve NOT gotten sick.

Makes me think of people with blue eyes.
Or red hair…
must be demons!!11!!

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:38:41pm

re: #158 GeneJockey

Oh, for a boat, a bowfishing rig, some sharp knives, a fire, and some jerk sauce….

BACON!

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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:38:42pm

re: #51 Bubblehead II

Interesting.

S.F. programmers build alternative to HealthCare.gov

Liang showed CBS News how it worked. “You come to our website and you put in your zip code — in this case a California zip code. You hit ‘find plans,’ and you immediately see the exchange plans that are available for that zip code.”

*snip*

You can’t actually enroll on the HealthSherpa site, but they do provide contact information for companies offering the plans. Users who find a plan they like can go directly to the insurance companies without ever using HealthCare.gov.

thehealthsherpa.com

They currently don’t have information on plans from the States that have their own Exchanges (Idaho, Nevada,ect) but are working to incorporate that information as it becomes available. They do provide links to those State Exchanges though.

Yep. So,

Has it been load tested?
Does it meet HIPAA requirements?
Does it meet the state privacy and reporting requirements for each of the states for which applications are processsed?
Does it do the federally required means testing? Does it sustain state and federal privacy requirements of that means testing?

yeah, thought not.

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Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:38:51pm

re: #79 Kragar

Creationists: Thorns On Plants Debunk Evolution

My wives comment? Well, he’s a mutation and he’s not helpful so he might be right. //

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:39:44pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Makes me think of people with blue eyes.
Or red hair…
must be demons!!11!!

As someone with blue eyes, who had a red beard, I can confidently say yes, we are demons.

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Romantic Heretic Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:40:06pm

re: #87 GlutenFreeJesus

Mutations? Magneto should have a chat with this fella.

Magneto? Sabretooth!

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:40:24pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Makes me think of people with blue eyes.
Or red hair…
must be demons!!11!!

This red haired, blue eyed demon has possessed me.

The Demon

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:40:28pm

re: #160 b_sharp

BACON!

We’d have to add a shitload of salt and a smoker, but yeah. BACON!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:41:16pm

re: #163 GeneJockey

As someone with blue eyes, who had a red beard, I can confidently say yes, we are demons.

Sort of blue/green eyes here. Also had reddish hair before it started going grey and fleeing from my head.
Pretty sure husband would agree with the demon thing, too…

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:41:25pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

We’d have to add a shitload of salt and a smoker, but yeah. BACON!

You just have to believe.

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:41:49pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

Magneto? Sabretooth!

I’d rather watch Mystique kick his ass.

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HoosierHoops Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:41:50pm

re: #155 b_sharp

Invite them for a swim.

Gosh..I hate wiping away tears..That just doesn’t happen..

You’re so far away
doesn’t anybody stay in one place any more?
It would be so fine..to see your face at my door..
But you’re so far away

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bubba zanetti Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:41:59pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

We’d have to add a shitload of salt and a smoker, but yeah. BACON!

Salt? Those pigs have been brining their whole lives!

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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:42:13pm

re: #158 GeneJockey

Oh, for a boat, a bowfishing rig, some sharp knives, a fire, and some jerk sauce….

The circumstances, and geography, in which BBQ was invented.

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:42:28pm

re: #170 HoosierHoops

Gosh..I hate wiping away tears..That just doesn’t happen..

You’re so far away
doesn’t anybody stay in one place any more?
It would be so fine..to see your face at my door..
But you’re so far away

You’re loved man.

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:42:30pm

re: #168 b_sharp

You just have to believe.

I think ‘just believing’, in the absence of curing salts, is how folks get Botulism….

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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:43:37pm

Worker kitteh brings home the bacon.

i.chzbgr.com

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:03pm

That’s the thing about the internet. You can be typing away at people for years, all the while not realizing they are REDHEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!

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lawhawk Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:05pm

And Again:

Developing: Shooting outside school in Pittsburgh. Reports indicate three people shot.

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:26pm

re: #161 kirkspencer

Yep. So,

Has it been load tested?
Does it meet HIPAA requirements?
Does it meet the state privacy and reporting requirements for each of the states for which applications are processsed?
Does it do the federally required means testing? Does it sustain state and federal privacy requirements of that means testing?

yeah, thought not.

“Ford? There’s an infinite number of monkeys at the door who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they’ve typed out.”

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piratedan Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:30pm

re: #161 kirkspencer

supposedly pro-bono work done by some youngsters trying to help folks cut thru the issues plagueing the healthcare.gov site…

allows them to browse plan availability by zip code… not perfect per se or complete, but a way for people to shop w/o registering.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:40pm

re: #174 GeneJockey

I think ‘just believing’, in the absence of curing salts, is how folks get Botulism….

MUTATIONZ!!!11

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:44:45pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

That’s the thing about the internet. You can be typing away at people for years, all the while not realizing they are REDHEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!

/

Quite true, and then there are the NOHEADS!!!!!1!

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Charles Johnson Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:45:11pm

Seldom have I seen a more fitting slogan on a bottle of whiskey: pic.twitter.com/jw3vN2bwQu
— Guy Dickinson (@gdickinson) November 13, 2013

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wrenchwench Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:46:20pm

re: #181 b_sharp

Quite true, and then there are the NOHEADS!!!!!1!

Easier to spot.

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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:47:12pm

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Conservative compassion.
Image: OnYourOwn.jpg

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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:49:04pm

re: #179 piratedan

supposedly pro-bono work done by some youngsters trying to help folks cut thru the issues plagueing the healthcare.gov site…

allows them to browse plan availability by zip code… not perfect per se or complete, but a way for people to shop w/o registering.

Yes, but it’s being presented as “why can’t the government do it right when these three kids could?”

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Flying Squirrel Girl Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:50:25pm

re: #177 lawhawk

Is it too soon to say it’s too soon?

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b_sharp Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:50:47pm

re: #185 kirkspencer

Yes, but it’s being presented as “why can’t the government do it right when these three kids could?”

Of course those kids didn’t do it right, they missed a few aspects.

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GeneJockey Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:51:10pm

re: #186 Flying Squirrel Girl

Is it too soon to say it’s too soon?

It’s too soon to ask that.

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piratedan Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:51:19pm

re: #185 kirkspencer

Yes, but it’s being presented as “why can’t the government do it right when these three kids could?”

its the media… they refuse to outline what the ACA does and instead focus on the outrage the plan offers, the website comes out, the focus is on the glitches and not what the plan does, a supplemental aid is developed and they twist that too…

After you hang the banksters, the news directors of the major media networks should be next.

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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:53:25pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

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I think I’ll stick to Benchmark for my cheap whiskey. At least it has to meet the minimal standards for Bourbon.

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ericblair Wed, Nov 13, 2013 12:53:42pm

re: #185 kirkspencer

Yes, but it’s being presented as “why can’t the government do it right when these three kids could?”

Yes. It’s a good tool for browsing, but it’s like saying you can reproduce Amazon in three days: click on a product (which doesn’t check whether it’s in stock), then enter address and credit card data (which the site does not process), and press Submit (which doesn’t actually create an order). Simple!

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