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1 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:38:46pm

Fantastic, but is it me, or does he have freakishly long little fingers?

RBS

2 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:39:26pm

Okay question for you guitar players. Is that the hardest style of play to learn? The whole fingerpicking style? This dude sounds like its a 12 string fer heavens sake!

3 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:41:36pm

re: #1 RealityBasedSteve

Fantastic, but is it me, or does he have freakishly long little fingers?

RBS

I made a similar comment when the vid of him with Don Ross was posted.

4 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:47:08pm

I love the multi-stage rock ending.

5 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:48:36pm

Sorcery.

6 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:50:07pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

Okay question for you guitar players. Is that the hardest style of play to learn? The whole fingerpicking style? This dude sounds like its a 12 string fer heavens sake!

For a while you are hearing 12 strings. At the 2 minute mark, he pushes a button with his toe, and a phrase that he just played repeats while he plays over it. He does it again towards the end.

7 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:50:50pm

Plus sorcery.

Yes, it’s impossible to learn. It was for me anyway.

8 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:56:54pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

Okay question for you guitar players. Is that the hardest style of play to learn? The whole fingerpicking style? This dude sounds like its a 12 string fer heavens sake!

Jimi Hendrix.

9 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 5:57:32pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Aha! Thanks.

10 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:00:02pm
11 Lidane  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:00:18pm

OK, this is amazing and totally worth your time:

Man Buys 10.000 Undeveloped Negatives At a Local Auction and Discovers One of The Most Important Street Photographers of the Mid 20th Century

Imagine this : perhaps the most important street photographer of the twentieth century was a nanny who kept everything to herself. Nobody had ever seen her work and she was a complete unknown until the time of her death. For decades Vivian’s work hid in the shadows until decades later (in 2007), historical hobbyist John Maloof bought a box full of never developed negatives at a local auction for $380.

Youtube Video

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:03:00pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

For a while you are hearing 12 strings. At the 2 minute mark, he pushes a button with his toe, and a phrase that he just played repeats while he plays over it. He does it again towards the end.

That’s a digital loop pedal - records and plays back loops. The first time he clicks the button it starts recording, the second time it plays back that recording in a loop and starts recording a second part, etc.

13 Stanley Sea  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:07:58pm
14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:08:47pm

Always makes me laugh: Reggie Watts - “Fuck Shit Stack.”

Vimeo

15 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:24:49pm

No wire hangers!!!!

16 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:26:25pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Always makes me laugh: Reggie Watts - “Fuck Shit Stack.”

[Embedded content]

Free lovin hair on that man

17 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:27:04pm

Well, it seems like I missed a lot today being in transit as much as I was. I only started to catch up when I got a chance to watch CNN. Congressman Ellison was on and he had a rough go of it from the talking head who quizzed him. Now I check CNN’s website and its even more skeptical. Doesn’t seem like a good day for the White House.

18 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:34:33pm

Slow news week, and the media is doing their best to drum up an outrage.

It’s what they do.

19 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:36:25pm

Denver airport is definitely better than Vegas airport when it comes to food and drink offerings. That is all.

20 Lidane  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:36:45pm
21 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:37:34pm

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

22 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:38:54pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Slow news week, and the media is doing their best to drum up an outrage.

It’s what they do.

I wouldn’t call it an ‘outrage’ but it would seem, from what I know, that Obama’s action today is somewhat dubious legally. I don’t see how he can change the rules for insurance plans unilaterally. The ACA is an act of Congress, not amendable by executive order.

Still, I’m not going to go off cannon-blasting on this one. Best to run it by Lawhawk the next time he’s around.

23 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:38:57pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

{{b_sharp}}

24 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:39:48pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

Oh, lovely. I hate those things. Only ever had one, but it was a very memorable experience. Mostly because all 3 of us had it simultaneously.

25 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:39:53pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

Ick, sorry to hear about that. I’ll say a prayer for your family’s recovery.

26 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:41:02pm

I had the misfortune to get to listen to the conversation of the two people next to me at the bar, with all the wonderful misconceptions about the ACA and the current changes and what the whole thing is talking about.

They were OUTRAGED that there were now more people uninsured than under the previous system, which was apparently working just fine, if not perfectly, thank you.

I imagine there are a lot of Americans who would disagree with that, but why let that bother your happy outrage bubble?

I was good and bit my tongue. Hard.

27 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:41:49pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

Awful! I hope that little gladiator is ok!

28 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:43:02pm

re: #26 klys

I had the misfortune to get to listen to the conversation of the two people next to me at the bar, with all the wonderful misconceptions about the ACA and the current changes and what the whole thing is talking about.

They were OUTRAGED that there were now more people uninsured than under the previous system, which was apparently working just fine, if not perfectly, thank you.

I imagine there are a lot of Americans who would disagree with that, but why let that bother your happy outrage bubble?

I was good and bit my tongue. Hard.

Aw, come on, you should’ve gone all she-lizard on them. Then again, they sound dense enough where even the truth would bounce off of them. Wish we could weaponize that, it could replace depleted uranium.

29 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:43:22pm

re: #23 klys

{{b_sharp}}

Thanks.

I’d like to hug my wife but she’d probably puke on me. Poor old girl.

30 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:43:58pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Ick, sorry to hear about that. I’ll say a prayer for your family’s recovery.

Thanks for the thought D_F.

31 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:45:40pm

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Aw, come on, you should’ve gone all she-lizard on them. Then again, they sound dense enough where even the truth would bounce off of them. Wish we could weaponize that, it could replace depleted uranium.

I figured it would be rude to interject, even if they were having the conversation loud enough that I couldn’t help overhearing.

It’s just depressing to see this narrative so media driven. I know it’s not how democracy works but there are still days where I wish there was a restriction on low information voters.

Then I wake up and feel better, but I’d be lying if I said it never happened.

32 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:46:37pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Thanks.

I’d like to hug my wife but she’d probably puke on me. Poor old girl.

Even when puking, wives appreciate the husband’s support. Although generally less in causing the puking and more in the taking care of the other things that need to be done but are being neglected because of the puking sort of way.

But I suspect at this point you’ve got that figured out. :)

33 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:47:29pm

re: #27 prairiefire

Awful! I hope that little gladiator is ok!

Liam is now keeping fluids and things like watery mashed potatoes down. He wasn’t keeping anything down 2 nights ago and watching the look of panic on his face when he started to throw up and couldn’t breathe was heart-breaking.

34 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:47:45pm

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Aw, come on, you should’ve gone all she-lizard on them. Then again, they sound dense enough where even the truth would bounce off of them. Wish we could weaponize that, it could replace depleted uranium.

Ah, Obtusium. There’s been work done with that, but so far its only been used as armor for wingnut and moonbat propaganda vehicles.

As an aside, a liquid form of Obtusium has recently been documented, it being found in the liver of the Dopefish.

//

35 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:48:29pm

re: #32 klys

Even when puking, wives appreciate the husband’s support. Although generally less in causing the puking and more in the taking care of the other things that need to be done but are being neglected because of the puking sort of way.

But I suspect at this point you’ve got that figured out. :)

Yup. I’m doing my best.

36 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:48:35pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Ah, Obtusium. There’s been work done with that, but so far its only been used as armor for wingnut and moonbat propaganda vehicles.

As an aside, a liquid form of Obtusium has recently been documented, it being found in the liver of the Dopefish.

//

HEY now. I’m not THAT dense.

37 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:49:24pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

HEY now. I’m not THAT dense.

Yeah, really. If it was in any animals, I would say the falcons would show the most.

////

38 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:49:42pm

re: #35 b_sharp

Yup. I’m doing my best.

As someone else’s wife, I heartily approve.

39 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:51:09pm

re: #37 klys

Also, Dark, I cannot be held responsible if you give me an opening THAT WIDE.

40 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:51:30pm

re: #37 klys

Yeah, really. If it was in any animals, I would say the falcons would show the most.

////

I see someone else’s snark is showing this evening. ;)

41 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:53:19pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I see someone else’s snark is showing this evening. ;)

Either that or the drinks.

42 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:54:06pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

HEY now. I’m not THAT dense.

Obtusium isn’t like water: the liquid form is significantly less dense than the solid form. If it were as dense as the solid, the Dopefish couldn’t swim. The Obtusium is in its liver to keep it from dying from some of the toxic things the Dopefish sometimes eats. As result, when playing a RPG the Dopefish should be regarded as having the Toxic Immunity trait.

//

43 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:55:29pm

re: #37 klys

Yeah, really. If it was in any animals, I would say the falcons would show the most.

////

We Falcons are not obtuse, we are tranditionalists, surat.


/Battletech riff

44 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:57:27pm

re: #36 thedopefishlives

HEY now. I’m not THAT dense.

You Pb with your chin.

45 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:58:14pm

I just figured out that I can get a Canon 60D, direct from the Canon store, Factory refurbished with a warranty for less than used on Ebay. I’m doing a super happy dance right now.

RBS
Who should have enough money left in the budget for that Tamron lens he’s been eyeing.

46 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 6:58:30pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Obtusium isn’t like water: the liquid form is significantly less dense than the solid form. If it were as dense as the solid, the Dopefish couldn’t swim. The Obtusium is in its liver to keep it from dying from some of the toxic things the Dopefish sometimes eats. As result, when playing a RPG the Dopefish should be regarded as having the Toxic Immunity trait.

//

Water is actually unusual in that its solid form (ice I for the traditionalists, because there are actually like …a lot of different crystalline forms of ice and this does not necessarily apply to all of them) is less dense than its liquid form.

Normally things become more dense in the transition to the solid; that is why this transition can occur under pressure (the same happens going from a gas to a liquid, which is why the application of pressure can result in a gas becoming a liquid …or superheating, and then the release of pressure (like reaching the surface) flashing the liquid to steam and resulting in a geyser).

Science is awesome.

47 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:01:09pm

re: #44 b_sharp

You Pb with your chin.

I want to post my own nice chemistry pun but the formatting isn’t working. :(

48 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:05:08pm
49 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:05:53pm

re: #48 klys

Today’s shirt.

*WHACK!*

50 Learned Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:06:22pm

MS State Sen. McDaniel denies that he attended neo-Confederate event, because he was at an ALEC conference.

So he didn’t attend the neo-Confederate event because he was at ANOTHER neo-Confederate event.

51 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:06:52pm

re: #11 Lidane

OK, this is amazing and totally worth your time:

Man Buys 10.000 Undeveloped Negatives At a Local Auction and Discovers One of The Most Important Street Photographers of the Mid 20th Century

[Embedded content]

That is very cool. Ms. Maier’s work is amazing.

52 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:08:19pm

re: #21 b_sharp

Well damn, what a great week.

After spending a night in the ER with the grandkid and another mostly sleepless night waiting for the daughter to phone, my wife now has a nasty stomach flu.

That bites. Sending healing vibes your way.

53 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:09:22pm

re: #48 klys

Today’s shirt.

Cute. My favorite like that is the one that has (lisp-p) on the front and T on the back.

54 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:09:23pm

re: #29 b_sharp

Thanks.

I’d like to hug my wife but she’d probably puke on me. Poor old girl.

My wife’s in the same condition. Grump.

55 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:10:40pm

I came, I saw and I bid you a good night Lizards.

56 thedopefishlives  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:11:07pm

re: #53 William Barnett-Lewis

Cute. My favorite like that is the one that has (lisp-p) on the front and T on the back.

Lisp. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

57 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:17:50pm

Hello Charles, or anyone tech savvy on this.
Trying to Page this project I published at YouTube. Methinks https won’t page in the new marklet. Is there a fix I can try? I finally published the purple gold documentary, So Page or not I can share with this link. It’s long so the first of 4 chapters…

Youtube Video

58 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:18:06pm

re: #54 Romantic Heretic

My wife’s in the same condition. Grump.

An unhappy wife = an unhappy house.

59 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:24:17pm

re: #33 b_sharp

Mah! Poor baby. Hope they all feel better soon!

60 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:24:41pm

One last point for the day. I’m still bummed that Big Bill Clinton didn’t help at all with his ill-timed comment. I’m thinking I’m going to refer to Bill as “The Explainer of Things a Little Too Much.”

61 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:25:36pm

I hearby proclaim that CBS is FoxNewsLite.
Media Fall For Another Misleading Leak From Issa’s Committee

62 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:33:27pm

re: #58 b_sharp

An unhappy wife = an unhappy house.

She sleeps a lot when she’s ill, so It’s not too bad.

I worry though.

63 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:37:18pm

re: #62 Romantic Heretic

Does she have chronic stuff, not to get too personal. That can be hard. My husband has a chronic personality disorder which can be very challenging.

65 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:39:58pm

re: #62 Romantic Heretic

She sleeps a lot when she’s ill, so It’s not too bad.

I worry though.

I do too.

I worry she’ll wake up while I’m doing something I’m not supposed to.

66 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:46:59pm

At least Mayor Ford is offering comic relief.

67 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:47:26pm

re: #66 Amory Blaine

At least Mayor Ford is offering comic relief.

Saw his latest comment, eh?
Lol.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:47:43pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

Rep. Broun derails science hearing to ask why EPA chief doesn’t have Obamacare
*rageface*

You can pretty much expect to see this from now until next November, taking every opportunity to beat that expired equine with great regularity.

69 b_sharp  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 7:50:17pm

G’night rock crawlers.

70 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:02:17pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

Lisp. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

LISP: Language Invented to Sell Processors
LISP: Lots of Irritating Single Parentheses

71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:05:22pm

re: #64 Varek Raith

Rep. Broun derails science hearing to ask why EPA chief doesn’t have Obamacare
*rageface*

I take the position that everything that comes out of Broun’s mouth is a lie from the Pit of Hell, until proven otherwise.

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:09:06pm

re: #70 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

LISP: Language Invented to Sell Processors
LISP: Lots of Irritating Single Parentheses

Heh. I’m more inclined to the Obi Wan reference but there always were reasons for it being abused in those ways. It really drove CPU design in the 70’s more than most people think. PDP-10… 36 bit goodness… lost like tears in the rain… ;)

73 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:15:40pm

And we are back in the air again, thank you Southwest for the one fee covers your connectivity all day on all flights equipped with WiFi.

I know that, in light of how long it used to take to go from NJ to CA, that bitching about ~8 hours of flight time is rather ungrateful of me. But I’m kind of ready to be home and snuggling the kitties. And husband.

74 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:30:52pm

Apparently the cats wanted to welcome me home with a hairball on the kitchen floor and vomit on the couch, but the husband is hard at work to thwart these plans.

75 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:42:33pm

Man, I scared everyone away. :(

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:45:37pm

Heh, DF you here? You’ll appreciate this as much as I did… t

Stop me if you’ve heard this one …

Image: mHum2jO.png

77 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:47:34pm

I think that glitch was my end or got fixed. Got that Page up.

littlegreenfootballs.com

78 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:48:52pm

re: #75 klys

Late shift.

79 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:50:10pm
80 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 8:50:18pm

re: #78 Political Atheist

Late shift.

Yeah, I know.

I’m just trapped on this plane for another hour and half. And tired.

81 ausador  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 9:29:12pm

Who knew that all it took to get your own “reality show” on television was to be the most completely insane restaurant owners ever to be shown on Gordon Ramsey’s “Kitchen Nightmares.”

Apparently being the one restaurant that Gorden had to wash his hands of and walk away from as being a hopeless cause, now rates getting your own TV show…sigh. :(

The Husband is a wanna be “ex-mobster from Vegas” who invested a million dollars into opening his trophy wife’s dream restaurant.

The wife claims she was given her “talent for all aspects of the culinary arts” by God himself.

1. None of the servers are allowed to enter orders on the POS system.

2. Since the servers don’t enter the orders and the owner does he claims he did all the work and keeps 100% of the tips.

3. People kept waiting for almost 90 minutes for a simple order of pizza are blocked at the door and threatened with the police when they try to leave without paying for food that they never even received.

4. Customers are verbally abused and even physically threatened if they dare to complain about the sub-par quality of the food they are served.

5. They have gone through over 150 wait staff in less than 4 years of being open, and they only have 3 staff positions on payroll.

6. The owners reinforce each others paranoia about the reviewers and bloggers “making up lies” about their behavior and the quality of the food.

In short, the owners are greedy, delusional, mean spirited, and paranoid fantasists living in their own little closed bubble dream world.

Which of course made some shlock “reality” TV producer think that they should be rewarded and encouraged to continue their delusional behavior by giving them a TV show of their own…WTFF?

Kitchen Nightmares Episode on Hulu.

Local news report on them getting a reality show.

Is this really the only kind of crap we have to look forward to on TV from now on?

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 9:42:01pm

re: #81 ausador

Is this really the only kind of crap we have to look forward to on TV from now on?

Yes. Next question?

83 dr. klys  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 9:54:58pm

Time to log off for landing and then home and then sleeping with a cat on me.

Hopefully.

84 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:01:18pm

G’night all.

85 The War TARDIS  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:53:38pm

In honor of the “send-off” for Paul McGann, I changed my nic.

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 10:54:54pm

re: #46 klys

Normally things become more dense in the transition to the solid; that is why this transition can occur under pressure (the same happens going from a gas to a liquid, which is why the application of pressure can result in a gas becoming a liquid …or superheating, and then the release of pressure (like reaching the surface) flashing the liquid to steam and resulting in a geyser).

I have heard this argument offered as a proof of Intelligent Design, namely that if ice sank, it would simply sink to at the bottom of the oceans and remain there frozen, making them incapable of sustaining life.

ergo: God is awesome and science sucks.

/

87 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:04:28pm

re: #85 The War TARDIS

In honor of the “send-off” for Paul McGann, I changed my nic.

In a weird way, I feel kinda bad that that’s how the Eighth Doctor got his send-off. Oddly enough, my first experience watching Doctor Who was the TV movie and when I saw the Ninth Doctor with the start of the new series, I wondered what could have happened to him that would make him such a bitter and angry fellow. I never imagined something like…well, “The Doctor no more.”

88 bratwurst  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:10:20pm
89 sagehen  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:16:00pm

re: #85 The War TARDIS

In honor of the “send-off” for Paul McGann, I changed my nic.

I should assume you’ve seen the prequel minisode?

Youtube Video

90 The War TARDIS  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:34:24pm

re: #89 sagehen

Yep. Hurt’s Doctor now has a name.

“The War Doctor”

re: #87 Targetpractice

McGann has had a very long career as the Doctor, and I think may still be doing other Big Finish stories for a bit.He has been doing Big Finish since 1996, and his Doctor is canonically the longest lasting, at over 708 years. There are so, so many 8th Doctor Audio stories, it will make your nose bleed.

There is a real tragedy to the 8th Doctor in “The Night of the Doctor.” Because it showed at the beginning that, even though he was a peaceful Time Lord, because he was a Time Lord, he couldn’t even do what he loved anymore. Which was travel around, and often help. And, he could no longer do so. And he became a warrior with no other path left.

This also shows why I love Moffat. He just tied together the Classic Who (Sisterhood of Karn from The Brain of Morbius), Big Finish (The Companions listed where from Big Finish, though that wasn’t all of them. Mary Shelley was another), and New Who (Duh.).

We now have a relatively cohesive timeline from Hartnell to Matt Smith. And Moffat fixed a discontinuity issue Davies created. In School Reunion, the 10th told Sarah Jane that he had regenerated half a dozen times since he saw her last. Problem is, she met the 5th during The Five Doctors. 10-5=not half a dozen. WIth the War Doctor however, everything is good now.

Also, don’t be surprised if the Doctor is far older the New Whovians have thought. The Oldest the 11th Stated he was is ~1200. With Big Finish being Canon, that number goes up to no less than 2,022. And the Hurt Doctor started out young, and got to an advanced apparent age. I wouldn’t count him out as being over 3,000-4,000 years old now.

91 Lidane  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:39:02pm

Oh geez. A very lovely, sweet friend of mine in Florida is convinced that chemtrails are a thing. She’s posted videos on FB and everything.

Anyone got any good info or links debunking this shit? I adore her and don’t want to lose a friend, but the whole thing is in loony Alex Jones territory.

92 The War TARDIS  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:47:34pm

Also, it’s looking apparent that something is wrong with Rose in the 50th.

I mean, look. Her sleeves are shredded, the dress is torn in multiple places, and the tights ripped.

Something says she a) isn’t herself, b) got abducted, or c) something happened in Pete’s World. Something awful.

93 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:54:12pm

Lol.

Rather - A very difficult story for CBS News to have to [inaudible]. If this story turns out to be untrue, at least it has to say their principal witness lied. The difficulty we got into, that is to say I in some years ago with the Bush story, which we don’t need to get into. Our story was true. You could argue about the process we got it. But the president never denied it. So it’s a different situation. But that’s what I was referring to.

No, chief (McCloud!), they aren’t different.

94 The War TARDIS  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:58:59pm

Needless to say, the Doctor Who fandom is bouncing up and down like Chihuahuas.

Hook us up to a generator, and we can power California.

95 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:59:22pm

re: #94 The War TARDIS

Needless to say, the Doctor Who fandom is bouncing up and down like Chihuahuas.

Hook us up to a generator, and we can power California.

lol.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 14, 2013 11:59:43pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Lol.

No, chief (McCloud!), they aren’t different.

If Dan is seeking some sort of retroactive justification or redemption, forget it. He was a major watershed: he had a reputation to lose, he lost it, he was out.

But pretty much from then on, journalists had no integrity and no reputation to lose, they are immune to any consequences of anything they broadcast.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:00:47am

I’m so sick of lefties that still cling to the Killian memos.
Yeesh.

98 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:00:48am

re: #95 Varek Raith

What? There are millions of us.

99 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:01:36am

re: #98 The War TARDIS

What? There are millions of us.

;)
Youtube Video

100 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:05:07am

re: #99 Varek Raith

The 50th will have so much.

The Time War, the 10th and 11th Doctors, Elizabeth I, Rose, Clara, romance & Sauciness (accord to Jenna, who plays Clara), funny moments, John Hurt as the War Doctor.

After the last trailer though, it is very safe to say that the Doctor and Clara are more than friends. When one has picked up the other and is spinning her around like a Taylor Swift video, you crossed a handful of lines.

101 piratedan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:05:43am

re: #97 Varek Raith

I’m so sick of lefties that still cling to the Killian memos.
Yeesh.

they didn’t get the goods, and tbh, who knows if Rather and his team simply fucked up, were tricked or were wrong and tbh, none it matters because his story/work/report was shot full of holes. Not saying that Shrub wasn’t the total douchcanoe that he was shown to be on numerous other occasions, but if you’re gonna bring down a President, then you best have your shit together and verified. People didn’t want to believe it of Nixon, despite the testimony and the tapes. If anything, Rather screwed over investigative journalism and has left us with its rotting corpse ever since. His passion that he was STILL right makes me want to believe him, but sadly, it reeks of an old man still attempting to cover his arse.

102 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:06:02am

Just so we’re clear, I love Dr. Who.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 12:34:57am

re: #102 Varek Raith

Just so we’re clear, I love Dr. Who.

I feel funny reading youse guys discussing the topic. I used to be a big fan of Dr Who as a teenager and watched it on PBS, back in the days of John Pertwee and Tom Morton, have not followed it since and from what I have seen of it, have very little interest in picking up the thread.

104 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 2:27:17am

Rise and shine—or don’t. : )

Yet Another CBS Exclusive Debunked — This Time, About The ACA Website

crooksandliars.com

“Journalism”, as defined these days, is dead to me.

105 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:02:39am

And this is just really, really sad—not that it isn’t happening in the US, also.

Britain reports rise in cosmetic genital surgeries

rawstory.com

More and more, it seems porn is being based on which females can appear more as pre-pubescent girls than fully mature women. The trend to shaving and waxing of the labia also began in porn.

The human need to put one’s “best face forward” has evolved into something unrecognizable, IMHO.

And appearance-conscious men are falling into this cosmetic trap, too.

‘Back, Crack and Sack’: Pubic Shaving Trend Baffles Experts

spiegel.de

“Social pressure to shave oneself is having a definite effect. Adolescent girls are more anxious because their genital region is now bare and more exposed to scrutiny. “The girls are very concerned about what they should look like down there,” says Schäfer. The inner labia, which gradually becomes visible at this age, is often seen as unattractive because of its wrinkled and protruding appearance. As a result, says Schäfer, “people are increasingly asking me about surgery.”

“The fear of looking outlandish is not limited to adolescents. Adult women are also worried that their labia, which were previously semi-hidden by their pubic hair, could appear too large or saggy. “A woman’s private parts have become her second face,” says Aglaja Stirn, director of the Department of Psychosomatics at Frankfurt’s J.W. Goethe University Hospital. And the same aesthetic principles are applied to both the face and the genitalia. “The labia should look youthful, well-proportioned and taut,” says Stirn.”

106 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:15:39am

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

Are bikini waxes covered under the ACA!?!?!
/

107 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:51:31am

re: #106 sattv4u2

Are bikini waxes covered under the ACA!?!?!
/

Haha, I doubt it, but the infections you might get as a result of the practice probably are.

When I had my first child in 1959, shaving the labia was still a practice pre-delivery; growing it out was worse. I swore I would never do that to myself. I’ve read it’s no longer a practice pre-delivery.

Luckily, I never had much body hair to begin with, and in old age, have even less. : )

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:53:34am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

I’ll file that under TMI!

109 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 3:57:23am

I suppose 2 girls equal 1 boy in China, among other reactionary thinking.

China to ease 1-child policy, abolish labor camps

bigstory.ap.org

Wait for the big population explosion, although I expect those labor camps won’t disappear completely.

110 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 4:00:03am

re: #108 sattv4u2

I’ll file that under TMI!

Not into pain or torture myself, either.

111 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 4:20:55am

Admittedly, the Confederates won for a while, at Chickamauga. After that, not so much.

Anti-UAW Consultant: Defeat ‘Invading Union Force’ at VW Plant Like Our Confederate Ancestors

thenation.com

—via Memorandum

112 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 4:56:45am

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh, DF you here? You’ll appreciate this as much as I did… t

Stop me if you’ve heard this one …

Image: mHum2jO.png

Ha, loves it!

113 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:24:02am

GET A CLUE BRYAN:
Hiroshima: 100,000’s died
Katrina: 1,000’s died
Obamacare: 0 died

114 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:24:16am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Admittedly, the Confederates won for a while, at Chickamauga. After that, not so much.

Anti-UAW Consultant: Defeat ‘Invading Union Force’ at VW Plant Like Our Confederate Ancestors

thenation.com

—via Memorandum

Chickamauga did ruin the career of MG Rosecrans and in its aftermath the Confederate Army of Tennessee was able to cut the Army of the Cumberland off from supply. But it also brought Ulysses S. “Unconditional Surrender” Grant into the field against them, as well as MG William T. Sherman who was able to reopen a supply line to Chattanooga by attacking the Confederates from an expected direction.

Shortly thereafter, dissension at the top of the Confederate force led Gen. Braxton Bragg to detach LTG James “Old Pete” Longstreet and his corp for an attack on Knoxville that ultimately failed. Reduced in size and now outnumber by a three part Union force (the Union left wing was the XI and XII Corps detached from the Army of the Potomac, under MG Joseph “Fighting Joe” Hooker, The center the Army of the Cumberland under MG George “Slow Trot” Thomas, and the right the Army of the Tennessee under Sherman), the Confederates were forced to stand on the defensive during the Subsequent Battle of Chattanooga, only to have the resurgent Army of the Cumberland break the center of the Confederate lines with a all out attack on November 25th, 1863. Bragg was forced to withdraw into Georgia.

115 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:34:31am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Of course, the influence of the Far Left at The Nation shouldn’t be forgotten, as witness this bit of DERP:

French Sabotage on Iran
By Bob Dreyfuss

It remains to be seen whether President Obama’s phone call to French President Hollande yesterday will fix the glitch in the talks between Iran and the P5+1 world powers, talks that were sabotaged by French perfidy last week—or, in the opinion of Israel, hawks and neoconservatives, by French heroism.

After returning to Tehran after the talks, Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif bluntly blamed the French for wrecking the talks. What happened, it seems, is that an American draft of an accord was dismantled by the French, who opposed it and forced a rewrite, surprising Iran (and, apparently, the United States as well). So the Iranians had to back off the accord and return home for consultations before resuming talks on November 20.

SNIP as we jump to the last paragraph

By all accounts, Obama and his team are committed to a positive result from the talks in Geneva. They’ve pushed hard to get the Senate to hold off on new Iran sanctions, and they’ve told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to shut up, essentially. Let’s hope that Obama convinced Hollande that a deal is in the works, and that the United States won’t stand for any more interference by the French.

I bolded that first sentence because of the foolishness of it. It is folly to “commit to a positive result” when dealing with a fairly hostile foreign power, since that nation might decide not to be intransigent. And to sign a bad deal just to get a deal is stupidity. France acted on behalf of its own interests as well as ours and the writer of this piece of dreck should appreciate that. ‘Dreyfuss’ is, after all, a French name.

Edited per Alouette.

116 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:36:08am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

‘Dreyfuss’ is, after all, a French name.

“Dreyfuss” is actually a German name, meaning “twisted foot,” it just happens that a famous person with that name was a French citizen.

117 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:37:43am

re: #2 Political Atheist

To me the hardest style to learn is alternate tunings. Ani DiFranco, for instance, is a beast at this.

118 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:39:10am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

“Dreyfuss” is actually a German name, meaning “twisted foot,” it just happens that a famous person with that name was a French citizen.

That I didn’t know. Post edited to cross out the last sentence. The main point still stands.

119 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:48:50am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Of course, the influence of the Far Left at The Nation shouldn’t be forgotten, as witness this bit of DERP:

French Sabotage on Iran
By Bob Dreyfuss

SNIP as we jump to the last paragraph

I >bolded that first sentence because of the foolishness of it. It is folly to “commit to a positive result” when dealing with a fairly hostile foreign power, since that nation might decide not to be intransigent. And to sign a bad deal just to get a deal is stupidity. France acted on behalf of its own interests as well as ours and the writer of this piece of dreck should appreciate that. ‘Dreyfuss’ is, after all, a French name.

Edited per Alouette.

Diplotalk: “Positive result” = “We don’t nuke you this week”.

120 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:53:34am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Diplotalk: “Positive result” = “We don’t nuke you this week”.

Well, this goofball clearly think more can be agreed to. That’s true, but he fails to understand that ‘more’ is up to Iran. If Iran wants the sanctions lifted, it has to give up pursuit of a nuclear weapon and allow verification of same. Anything that does move the ball in that direction should result in “No deal.”

121 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 5:57:39am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Well, this goofball clearly think more can be agreed to. That’s true, but he fails to understand that ‘more’ is up to Iran. If Iran wants the sanctions lifted, it has to give up pursuit of a nuclear weapon and allow verification of same. Anything that does move the ball in that direction should result in “No deal.”

Which is what Kerry said.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:00:08am

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Which is what Kerry said.

Which is what the Bush admin said,,, which is what the Clinton admin said ,,, which is what ,,,,,,,,,

123 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:03:25am

re: #122 sattv4u2

Which is what the Bush admin said,,, which is what the Clinton admin said ,,, which is what ,,,,,,,,,

Yup. Nobody’s rushing to give away the farm.

124 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:03:34am

Dear Right-Wing Dumbass:
You forgot the part about “Convicted of Committing an Actual Crime”
You know, like it says in that Constitution you claim you love so much.

125 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:04:18am

MOAR DERP
Glenn never mentions Brazil’s Bad Acts.

126 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:04:55am

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

No one’s forcing doctors to do this, IMO, it’s really fucking unethical to do shit like this just because it can be done. If someone needed reconstruction because of an accident, abuse or natural deformity, that’s one thing, but this is just crap. Doctors could put a halt on this yesterday, instead, they play on massive insecurities for money. It’s disgusting to do this to people.

127 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:08:58am

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

Dear Right-Wing Dumbass:
You forgot the part about “Convicted of Committing an Actual Crime”
You know, like it says in that Constitution you claim you love so much.

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The more the doofi fasten on the hated Obama administration the better. They can attack Holder, Jarrett, and the Prez all they want—the respite provides growth room for Hillary or the eventual candidate.

128 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:09:04am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

So much derp in one tweet.

129 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:09:53am
130 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:10:25am

Glenn Greenwald Tweeted this, but then immediately deleted it:

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
If carrying classified documents “without authorization” is a crime, then vast majority of world’s invetigative journalists belong in prison

131 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:11:56am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald Tweeted this, but then immediately deleted it:

Jeez—This guy has a law degree? Liberty University?

132 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:12:25am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald Tweeted this, but then immediately deleted it:

For once, he realized how dumb what he said really was.

133 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:18:47am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

For once, he realized how dumb what he said really was.

There was a spelling error. He may Tweet it again.

134 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:20:04am

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

Dear Right-Wing Dumbass:
You forgot the part about “Convicted of Committing an Actual Crime”
You know, like it says in that Constitution you claim you love so much.

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I used to think the hard-on wingers had for Pinochet was a cold calculated realism: that the communist alternative would have been worse. Now, I’m pretty convinced they just like strongmen torturing and imprisoning people they don’t like.

135 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:27:52am

re: #134 Ian G.

I used to think the hard-on wingers had for Pinochet was a cold calculated realism: that the communist alternative would have been worse. Now, I’m pretty convinced they just like strongmen torturing and imprisoning people they don’t like.

Likely true for those who actually liked him. For many on the right (including me), it was in fact cold, calculated realism, but none of those people truly liked Pinochet. He was ultimately better than Communism, but he was still a murderous son-of-a-bitch.

136 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:29:57am
137 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:31:35am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Lemme get the popcorn. I can really enjoy a Greenwald-John Podhoretz melee.

138 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:33:04am

TEH FAIL CONTINUES

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:34:50am

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Confederates, today is the 149th Anniversary of the start of the March to the Sea. I still think we should have the 1st Armor & 1st Infantry parade along the main route from Atlanta to Savannah next November. To honor our ancestors, of course … ;)

140 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:36:50am

re: #137 Ian G.

Lemme get the popcorn. I can really enjoy a Greenwald-John Podhoretz melee.

Sure, but who do you root for?

141 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:38:08am

re: #140 BongCrodny

injuries. ;)

142 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:39:42am
143 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:40:23am

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

Speaking of Confederates, today is the 149th Anniversary of the start of the March to the Sea. I still think we should have the 1st Armor & 1st Infantry parade along the main route from Atlanta to Savannah next November. To honor our ancestors, of course … ;)

“Heritage, Not Snark”

144 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:40:30am
145 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:44:24am
146 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:45:24am
147 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:45:53am

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

Speaking of Confederates, today is the 149th Anniversary of the start of the March to the Sea. I still think we should have the 1st Armor & 1st Infantry parade along the main route from Atlanta to Savannah next November. To honor our ancestors, of course … ;)

Yeah, I definitely noticed that the same people who celebrated 150 years since Fort Sumter back in 2011 were somewhat muted this past July when we hit 150 years since Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Gee, I wonder why…..

148 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:48:27am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Media clowns inside the Beltway never actually look at events like Katrina through the eyes of those that actually suffered through it. It’s always, always about the ridiculous horse race in Washington. Thus, to these fools, Katrina wasn’t a devastating hurricane that killed thousands, displaced hundreds of thousands, and did billions of dollars in damage. No, Katrina was a devastating hurricane that hurt the Bush presidency. That’s what matters.

149 b.d.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:49:09am

Glenn, more persecuted than Jesus.

150 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:50:57am

re: #149 b.d.

Glenn, more persecuted than Jesus the other Glenn.

151 b.d.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:51:07am

Is the owner of TheDailyDudeBro going to want some professionalism from his staff?

All of his lofty stated goals do not equal the gutter trash talk that Glenn does.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:51:14am

re: #149 b.d.

Glenn, more persecuted than Jesus.

I’m awaiting his speech on not allowing himself to be crucified upon a Cross of NSA listening devices…
///
:p

153 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:52:52am

re: #149 b.d.

Glenn, more persecuted than Jesus.

GG is going to force a public review of the protections afforded journalists, and even of what a journalist is. Because he is so engaging, press freedom will actually suffer.

154 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:53:07am

re: #149 b.d.

Glenn needs to remember his Soundgarden:

Youtube Video

155 piratedan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:54:55am

shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice commenter MikeJ

Everybody called Bush stupid just because he got 3000 Americans killed in NYC and 2000 Americans killed in New Orleans and 5000 Americans killed in Iraq and 50,000 Americans maimed in Iraq; so it’s not fair that people won’t call Obama stupid because a website takes 15 seconds to load

156 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:56:05am

re: #139 William Barnett-Lewis

Speaking of Confederates, today is the 149th Anniversary of the start of the March to the Sea. I still think we should have the 1st Armor & 1st Infantry parade along the main route from Atlanta to Savannah next November. To honor our ancestors, of course … ;)

Well, you know my mind on the subject:

Youtube Video

157 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:58:43am
158 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 6:59:44am

Expropriating terms identified with real horrors and evil acts - whether it’s slavery or the Holocaust undermines the seriousness of the acts described.

You don’t get to compare slavery to Obamacare. Zombies to apples comparison.

You don’t compare Obamacare to the Holocaust either. They’re not the same sport. They’ re not even in the same universe. Again, apples to zombies comparison.

People attempting to make these kinds of comparisons are doing so because they want to show their outrageous outrage and attempt to claim that Obamacare is so evil that it deserves comparisons to these truly evil events.

But these comparisons fail on the smell test. Keep calling them out.

159 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:00:08am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

GG is going to force a public review of the protections afforded journalists, and even of what a journalist is. Because he is so engaging, press freedom will actually suffer.

Because any such definition will leave some excluded, and the writing down of previously unwritten rules inevitably makes them less flexible. Moreover, forcing Congress to act on an issue tends to result in Congress acting to protect members of Congress, and those members dislike public scrutiny. But Greenwald is too blinded by his ego to consider such things.

160 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:06:23am

Greenwald bores me. He keeps flailing about with the 2 year old attitude of pay attention to me, and a complete inability to keep his story, let alone those of his confederates or significant others, straight.

Facts be damed, he’s got a narrative to stick to, and he’s going to keep proffering himself as a cast-upon poor soul who is standing up against the big bad US, all while ignoring the facts that undermine his claims (even within the very articles he writes, cites, and is left with pounding on the table).

161 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:06:49am

re: #158 lawhawk


I had wanted to ask you for your opinion on Obama’s plan from yesterday:

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t call it an ‘outrage’ but it would seem, from what I know, that Obama’s action today is somewhat dubious legally. I don’t see how he can change the rules for insurance plans unilaterally. The ACA is an act of Congress, not amendable by executive order.

Still, I’m not going to go off cannon-blasting on this one. Best to run it by Lawhawk the next time he’s around.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:10:27am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

I almost linked to that in my post but I wanted to give you the opportunity.

Did you see the 3 walk into a bar joke picture I posted?

163 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:13:52am

HURR HURR

164 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:18:25am

RWNJ cognitive dissonance, eleventy

OBAMA SAID WE COULD KEEP OUR OLD POLICIES AND THEY GOT CANCELLED HE LIED HE LIED HE LIED HELIEDHELIEDHELIEDHELIEDHELIED!!!11!!!!!!!!111!!!!!

OBAMA: OK, you can keep your old policies!

TEH DICTATOR HITLER STALIN EMPEROR KING WANTS EVERYONE TO HAVE SHITTY SUBSTANDARD POLICIES!!!!!1!!!!!1!!1111!1TY

165 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:22:43am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Greg Sargent laid out the administrative law support for taking the actions the President proposed. It basically gives federal agencies the ability to promulgate regulations and take actions that ease transitions between legal regulatory schemes. Since the ACA is a transition between different insurance systems, the federal agencies can take actions that reduce the bad impacts that are identified as they arise.

It’s a fair assessment, but I would argue unnecessary to take the actions the President did.

The President is responding to claims that “millions” of people are finding their policies cancelled. Insurers need to be held accountable for the fact that they simply ignored the grandfather provisions of the ACA, and instead cancelled them. Rather than upgrade those policies to conform to the ACA, insurers either cancelled policies outright without informing customers that they had other alternatives, or were disingenuous about the nature of the changes.

The President’s actions also ignore that some states have their own regulatory schemes and aren’t going to let the insurers reinstate the former policies as not meeting the states’ minimum requirements.

Moreover, the entire discussion treats the several million people who may have gotten cancellation notices as being more important than the millions of people who have no insurance at all, and who would have access to insurance via the exchanges for the first time.

Shifting those in the individual market into exchange products also helps those same insurers balance the actuarial tables/needs to have a sustaining marketplace. Letting the old crappy insurance policies limp along for at least the next year threatens to become a bigger problem as time goes on.

Key numbers/percentages to keep in mind (and all my numbers are from Kaiser Family Foundation):

5% - or roughly 15 million people get insurance through the individual market.
15% - or roughly 48 million have no insurance at all.

The GOP, and the President’s “fix” have focused on disruptions in the marketplace of the smaller of the two groups - the individual marketplace, to add another layer of complexity that was unwarranted but for the fact that insurers were taking advantages of ambiguities in the law and opting to kill insurance products that didn’t meet current standards, rather than bringing those products up to standard under the grandfathering provisions.

Instead of doing that, which still would have increased some costs while providing a far more effective health insurance policy, the insurers put their bottom lines first.

Democrats, especially on the far left, see this as yet another reason that the single payer - or expanding Medicare/Medicaid to the entire group of uninsureds, would have been preferable to the exchanges, but that’s not what we have.

We have a GOP steadfastly opposed to fixing what’s wrong with the ACA, and still intent on defunding/delaying/destroying the ACA, and ignoring that the ACA is still improving significant deficiencies with the health insurance marketplace over the prior system.

What the media and GOP refuse to acknowledge is that the GOP’s plans would be far more disruptive to the insurance marketplace, cause several times the size of cancellations of policies, and throw even more people’s health care provisioning into chaos.

166 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:24:20am

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

I almost linked to that in my post but I wanted to give you the opportunity.

Did you see the 3 walk into a bar joke picture I posted?

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Ha, loves it!

167 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:25:24am

Bryan you ignorant shill

168 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:26:13am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

we aren’t stupid out here

Assuming facts not in evidence….

169 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:26:59am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Is Bryan discussing public policy without adult supervision again? He’s been warned…..

170 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:27:10am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, that worked out so great - 48 million without insurance.

Millions dropped from insurance annually because of preexisting conditions, or reaching lifetime caps, and medically-induced bankruptcies one of the leading causes of financial chaos for people.

All that while we spend more per capita on health care and have worse outcomes than nearly every other country in the OECD by pretty much any metric considered.

171 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:29:08am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Bryan you ignorant shill

“You can have my answer right now, Senator. ‘Nothing.’ And I would like you to put up the cost of the licensing fees yourself.”

172 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:30:21am
173 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:33:10am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Bryan you ignorant shill

Even if they cover murdering babies and slutz pills??@!??!?!!111

//

174 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:35:14am

All this hubris over the predicting the supposed failure of the ACA is annoying but does demonstrate why making such complex systems are probably not good policy in the big picture.

My own take on the ACA is that it is too Rube Goldberg-esque.

I’ve played campaign audio of Harry Truman before, demonstrating that ensuring health care for the masses has long been a Democratic Party goal.

Why Nancy Pelosi and Pres. Obama decided to go with an originally GOP/Heritage idea is something that future students of PolySci might want to untangle.

This fear of “socialism” is irrational, based almost completely on religious indoctrination and the marketing of fear. As a society we have over the last 200 years increasingly approached large problems on a national level, including medicine.

What these people whining about the “government” in healthcare almost never will admit in public is that the national government has long been involved in medicine in this country, from research to health standards to paying for the training of physicians and for medical schools to the VA.

My personal wish is for President Obama to become more ideological, not less. Contrary to the 5 years of whining by the wingnut right, B. Obama is one of the least ideologically “socialist” Democrats. Compared to the likes of FDR or Truman or even LBJ President Obama is downright Reagan-esque.

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:37:49am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Health care does not work without government regulation. Yes, there can be too much regulation, but none at all is a disaster.

176 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:38:00am

re: #173 Bulworth

Even if they cover murdering babies and slutz pills??@!??!?!!111

//

No, but especially if they charge $15/mo for a policy that provides NOTHING and requires a co-pay of the full amount plus additional surcharge for everything.

177 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:39:10am

Fuckin’ sentence structure, how does it work?

178 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:40:18am

See this for example:


littlegreenfootballs.com

These kind of stories have yet to crest, I think.

Whether this is some sort of manipulation getting ready for the 2014 elections, I don’t know. But what is clear is that the media choir is now singing, if a bit off tune, the same song - whining about the problems in the ACA. That’s the hot item in the news cycle for 15 November 2013.

179 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:40:26am

re: #174 freetoken

All this hubris over the predicting the supposed failure of the ACA is annoying but does demonstrate why making such complex systems are probably not good policy in the big picture.

My own take on the ACA is that it is too Rube Goldberg-esque.

I’ve played campaign audio of Harry Truman before, demonstrating that ensuring health care for the masses has long been a Democratic Party goal.

Why Nancy Pelosi and Pres. Obama decided to go with an originally GOP/Heritage idea is something that future students of PolySci might want to untangle.

This fear of “socialism” is irrational, based almost completely on religious indoctrination and the marketing of fear. As a society we have over the last 200 years increasingly approached large problems on a national level, including medicine.

What these people whining about the “government” in healthcare almost never will admit in public is that the national government has long been involved in medicine in this country, from research to health standards to paying for the training of physicians and for medical schools to the VA.

My personal wish is for President Obama to become more ideological, not less. Contrary to the 5 years of whining by the wingnut right, B. Obama is one of the least ideologically “socialist” Democrats. Compared to the likes of FDR or Truman or even LBJ President Obama is downright Reagan-esque.

If the goal was simplicity, “Medicare for All” would have been a good stopgap. Somehow we couldn’t quite get there…

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:43:23am

re: #174 freetoken

All this hubris over the predicting the supposed failure of the ACA is annoying but does demonstrate why making such complex systems are probably not good policy in the big picture.

My own take on the ACA is that it is too Rube Goldberg-esque.

I’ve played campaign audio of Harry Truman before, demonstrating that ensuring health care for the masses has long been a Democratic Party goal.

Why Nancy Pelosi and Pres. Obama decided to go with an originally GOP/Heritage idea is something that future students of PolySci might want to untangle.

This fear of “socialism” is irrational, based almost completely on religious indoctrination and the marketing of fear. As a society we have over the last 200 years increasingly approached large problems on a national level, including medicine.

What these people whining about the “government” in healthcare almost never will admit in public is that the national government has long been involved in medicine in this country, from research to health standards to paying for the training of physicians and for medical schools to the VA.

My personal wish is for President Obama to become more ideological, not less. Contrary to the 5 years of whining by the wingnut right, B. Obama is one of the least ideologically “socialist” Democrats. Compared to the likes of FDR or Truman or even LBJ President Obama is downright Reagan-esque.

A push towards a more liberal single-payer system would have turned out to be “HillaryCare 2.0”. Massively opposed even more, and nothing would have gotten off the ground at all. Leaving us with the broken pre-ACA insurance model for at least another decade.

Adopting the RomneyCare/Heritage model was a moderate step. Attempts to close gaps, apply a system that is working for a state on a national level, and also draws more political support since it co-opts a GOP backed policy and also works with the current insurance industry in a evolutionary (instead of revolutionary) step.

If the GOP was anything else than the “Party of No” regarding anything Obama espouses I would expect that this would have been much more efficiently and successfully implemented program. We don’t have a minority party acting as loyal opposition, we have one acting as an active saboteur.

181 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:45:35am

re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader

A push towards a more liberal single-payer system would have turned out to be “HillaryCare 2.0”. Massively opposed even more, and nothing would have gotten off the ground at all. Leaving us with the broken pre-ACA insurance model for at least another decade.

Adopting the RomneyCare/Heritage model was a moderate step. Attempts to close gaps, apply a system that is working for a state on a national level, and also draws more political support since it co-opts a GOP backed policy and also works with the current insurance industry in a evolutionary (instead of revolutionary) step.

If the GOP was anything else than the “Party of No” regarding anything Obama espouses I would expect that this would have been much more efficiently and successfully implemented program. We don’t have a minority party acting as loyal opposition, we have one acting as an active saboteur.

If we want nice things, we have to pare the TPGOP down to a handful of congressmen and governors from a handful of ex-Confederate states.

182 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:46:42am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Or similar ideas of increasing the number of people who can qualify for Medicaid, etc.

What I do fault President Obama on, and I wrote this some time ago, is not willing to fight the ideological battle from the bully pulpit.

Here is what I wish the President would challenge Americans with -

On what do we spend our national treasure?

1) Do we want to build a thousand new prisons to incarcerate even more millions of people?

2) Do we want to build hundreds of new pet military hardware projects that the soldiers themselves find extraneous?

3) Do we want to provide basic healthcare to all Americans?

This is the ideological battle I wish the President would wage, but he seems like the last guy to want to do it.

183 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:46:43am
184 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:49:36am

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

RWNJ cognitive dissonance, eleventy

OBAMA SAID WE COULD KEEP OUR OLD POLICIES AND THEY GOT CANCELLED HE LIED HE LIED HE LIED HELIEDHELIEDHELIEDHELIEDHELIED!!!11!!!!!!!!111!!!!!

OBAMA: OK, you can keep your old policies!

TEH DICTATOR HITLER STALIN EMPEROR KING WANTS EVERYONE TO HAVE SHITTY SUBSTANDARD POLICIES!!!!!1!!!!!1!!1111!1TY

Paul Krugman summed it up nicely recently by saying that the GOP howling about ACA is just like the old Borscht Belt joke about portion sizes in a bad resort.

“The ACA is Leninist death panels that will destroy America! And the website is broken so you can’t sign up!”

185 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:50:14am

re: #182 freetoken

Or similar ideas of increasing the number of people who can qualify for Medicaid, etc.

What I do fault President Obama on, and I wrote this some time ago, is not willing to fight the ideological battle from the bully pulpit.

Here is what I wish the President would challenge Americans with -

On what do we spend our national treasure?

1) Do we want to build a thousand new prisons to incarcerate even more millions of people?

2) Do we want to build hundreds of new pet military hardware projects that the soldiers themselves find extraneous?

3) Do we want to provide basic healthcare to all Americans?

This is the ideological battle I wish the President would wage, but he seems like the last guy to want to do it.

When the dust settles, he’s a well-meaning millionaire lawyer. Only the rabid insanity of his enemies keeps me working for him. The same will be true of Hillary. And I’ll work for her.

186 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:52:16am

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

I’m guessing if the NRA had to choose between gun control and the Taliban, they’d go with the Taliban. I mean, we already have the spectacle of wingers worshipping a former KGB officer turned dictator. It won’t be long before they’re nodding in agreement with Taliban criticisms of western “decadence”. Some (Dinesh d’Souza) have already gone down that path a bit.

187 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:54:09am

re: #171 Bulworth

1. Terminate ObamaCare completely. 2. Get govt mandates out of health care. 3. Let cos. offer whatever policies they want.

And if you don’t work for a company, Bryan?

ESAD, you miserable POS.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:54:15am

re: #186 Ian G.

I’m guessing if the NRA had to choose between gun control and the Taliban, they’d go with the Taliban. I mean, we already have the spectacle of wingers worshipping a former KGB officer turned dictator. It won’t be long before they’re nodding in agreement with Taliban criticisms of western “decadence”. Some (Dinesh d’Souza) have already gone down that path a bit.

How soon until they start quoting “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”?

//

189 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:55:08am

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

How soon until they start quoting “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”?

//

Long since. You don’t stalk the RWNJ sites I do.

190 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:55:44am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

I fear the current generation only knows of Democratic leaders who are exactly as you describe - the well meaning millionaire lawyers.

Given the choice between (A) a well meaning millionaire lawyer, and (B) wingnut-pandering atavist, I’ll pick A anytime.

What ever happened to the HHH’s of the Democratic Party?

Ever since Reagan beat Carter it seems the Democratic Party has been in retreat.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:56:35am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Long since. You don’t stalk the RWNJ sites I do.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry about that given the other screeds I normally associate with the RWNJ. They don’t have any true sense of consistency or history do they? Just grab whatever appears to fit the desired meme/goal at the time.

192 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 7:57:39am

I’m either going to get blocked or this wingnut will fill up my time line with spectacular Derp.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:00:42am

re: #190 freetoken

I fear the current generation only knows of Democratic leaders who are exactly as you describe - the well meaning millionaire lawyers.

Given the choice between (A) a well meaning millionaire lawyer, and (B) wingnut-pandering atavist, I’ll pick A anytime.

What ever happened to the HHH’s of the Democratic Party?

Ever since Reagan beat Carter it seems the Democratic Party has been in retreat.

Their outright liberal Presidential candidates have lost. And Clinton set the model of how they can win by running moderates. With the polarization of the parties and the general run to conservatism by both the media and business interests I expect that favors a party running moderate-to-conservative candidates in most areas.

194 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:00:51am

DERP

195 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:02:50am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry about that given the other screeds I normally associate with the RWNJ. They don’t have any true sense of consistency or history do they? Just grab whatever appears to fit the desired meme/goal at the time.

In the last week I’ve watched two guys so extreme they were blaming the current state of affairs on the treachery of the founding fathers. They were invited to leave this nutcase/criminal/scam Threeper site.

(Suggestion-don’t open it directly. I only read the Google cache returns.)

“IIIPatriots”

It has several state subsidiary sites, all focused on the ‘Citadel’ bull of last year.

196 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:03:26am

That is so full of Fail and Derp I can’t even think of an answer.

197 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:05:18am

I’m just going to fuck with this idiot for Teh Lulz but not expecting any kind of coherent conversation.

198 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:06:24am

I was going to ask “what about the single moms” but I know the answer would be SLUTZ DON’T DESERVE INSURANCE!!!!11!!!

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:06:40am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

I’m just going to fuck with this idiot for Teh Lulz but not expecting any kind of coherent conversation.

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A poor lure. You’re asking them to do research. Or are you expecting them to pull some nebulous pseudo-number out of their butt?

200 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:07:28am

re: #199 Feline Fearless Leader

A poor lure. You’re asking them to do research. Or are you expecting them to pull some nebulous pseudo-number out of their butt?

You’re right, what was I thinking?

201 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:08:11am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

I’m just going to fuck with this idiot for Teh Lulz but not expecting any kind of coherent conversation.

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If you manage to corner her without scaring her off, she’ll admit that they deserve to die of preventable disease because they’re too stupid/lazy to better themselves.

202 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:11:35am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

If you manage to corner her without scaring her off, she’ll admit that they deserve to die of preventable disease because they’re too stupid/lazy to better themselves.

Whenever I bring up Wally World the wingnuts have these standard talking points:

HOW DARE U CRITICIZE TEH JRRB CREYATERS!!!!! THEY HAS CREYATED MILLYUNZ OF JRRBZ HOW MENY HAS U CREEYATED U MOOCHER!!!!!11!!!! U WELFARE TAKER & FOOD STAMP EATER

WALMART & MCDONALDS JRRBS IS ONLY FOR TEH DUMB LAZY MOOCHERS W3HO IS TOO STUPID AN UNEDJUKAYED TO FIND A BETTER JRRB!!!!!11!!!!

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:13:35am

BTW, Good morning Lizards from a less-breezy-than-usual suburb of Chicago.

Last day of training class, so I get to go home tonight, face Feline Overlords who have been dealing with a sitter all week*, and recover (ha!) from a week without Facebook, the usual workplace, and Philadelphia traffic.

Just have to get to O’Hare, pray for no delays**, and catch the flight home. Shuttle reservation already made, and my luggage is waiting close to the shuttle pick-up point.

* - I’m told that the cats like the sitter. She is probably spoiling them rotten.

** - There are no atheists catching flights in O’Hare. ;)

204 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:17:42am

re: #193 Feline Fearless Leader

I guess I don’t really buy into this idea that Bill Clinton won because he wasn’t “liberal”. Remember, GHWB was disliked by the wingnut religious right, and after 12 years of GOP in the White House the glow was starting to wear off.

Bill Clinton playing the sax on national TV was more important to his election - he demonstrated he was an “everyday guy”, who came from a poor family. Contrasted with the silver-spoon guy who always looked bored with the populi (remember the watch incident?), Bill Clinton was someone with whom the average person could identify.

So that campaign had more to do with identity then anything else.

Yes, Bill Clinton, along with Al Gore and several others, often from the South, played themselves into a political identity that allowed blue collar religious folk in some regions of the country to identify with them. That was political strategy that worked.

But today are we seeing the bitter fruit of this play? Instead of killing the beast, Clinton-Gore actually fed it. It’s not a coincidence that the Tea Partying wingnuts have their strength in those same areas that Clinton-Gore were playing with their “third way” for the beer drinking bubbas as well as for the champaign sipping boardroom crowd.

It’s past time we let some old political ideas die in this country. However, backwards views of the world will be pandered to if it means a vote, and the lust for power is so strong that a politician will cave. Call me an ideologue, but it is my position that ideas do matter. World views do matter. Belief systems do matter.

Triangulation is a strategy for politicians to be elected. It is not a way to confidently step into the future and leave the past behind.

205 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:22:22am

Not really off topic:

Face the facts

[…]

More intriguingly, the presence or absence of such features skews parents’ attitudes to their offspring. At least 15 studies have shown that mothers treat attractive children more favourably than unattractive ones, even though they say they don’t and may actually believe that. At least one of these studies showed this bias is true from birth.

Some of the details are extraordinary. One researcher, who spent a decade observing how mothers look after young children in supermarkets, found that only 1% of children judged unattractive by independent assessors were safely secured in the seats of grocery carts. In the case of the most attractive the figure was 13%. Another researcher studied police photographs of children who had been abused and found such children had lower craniofacial ratios than those who had not been.

[…]

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:24:20am

re: #205 freetoken

Not really off topic:

Face the facts

So there might be a scientific correlation between someone being ugly and their mother dressing them funny?
O_o

207 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:24:38am

HURR HURR!!!!1

208 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:26:39am

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR HURR HURR

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:28:40am
210 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:29:49am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Bryan you ignorant shill

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Yeah, that’ll provide affordable healthcare for everyone.
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211 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:30:28am

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR HURR HURR

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Where is the one of Lincoln unleashing the US Army to take assets away from innocent law-abiding cotton growers?
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212 piratedan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:30:35am

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR HURR HURR

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well make sure that they understand that Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus and imprisoned “hundreds” of Southern “sympathizers” without due process.

213 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:32:37am

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR!!!!1

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Shorter @chadsdaddy: Obama isn’t letting the rich fuck everyone else hard enough!

214 Mike Lamb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:35:16am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

DERP

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If one of two spouses is working at Walmart, I’m going to guess the odds that the other spouse has a job with benefits is slim. I don’t think there are a lot of people that work at Walmart unless they absolutely need to.

215 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:35:36am

re: #213 GeneJockey

Shorter @chadsdaddy: Obama isn’t letting the rich fuck everyone else hard enough!

Shorter @chadsdaddy: LOOK HEAR ARE SOME RACISTS QUOTES ALL LIBRULZ IS TEH RACISTS!!!!!!!11!!!

The LBJ quote may be bogus.

216 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:37:50am

re: #214 Mike Lamb

If one of two spouses is working at Walmart, I’m going to guess the odds that the other spouse has a job with benefits is slim. I don’t think there are a lot of people that work at Walmart unless they absolutely need to.

GWB started a bogus war, killing 4,000 and I don’t remember Democrats screaming to IMPEACH they way RWNJ’s want to impeach Obama over every little website error.

217 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:38:58am

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

That is so full of Fail and Derp I can’t even think of an answer.

I hate it when that happens. I recently “debated” a 9/11 truther about WTC 7 who suggested Bush blew the building up to cover up his relationship with Enron. It took a while to come back with something that full of derp.

218 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:39:11am
219 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:39:12am

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

Is “economic destruction” something like the financial crisis of 2008-2009? ////

220 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:40:19am

re: #217 Ian G.

Sounds like this person has interesting views. I wonder how I may subscribe to their newsletter? //

221 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:41:24am

re: #208 Vicious Babushka

WAIT THEIR IS MOAR HURR HURR

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Has anyone ever found a single liberal who defends the Japanese internment? Just because Roosevelt was overwhelmingly good in his presidency doesn’t make that travesty less of a black mark against his Presidency (and us all).

Of course, I do know a few wingnuts who scream their defense of Roosevelt in that situation from the rooftops: Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:42:21am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

GWB started a bogus war, killing 4,000 and I don’t remember Democrats screaming to IMPEACH they way RWNJ’s want to impeach Obama over every little website error.

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You’re going to simply get avoidance and the equivalent of a Gish Gallop from this one. She’ll just skip from question to question without ever giving you a serious answer to any of your questions. Cut the line and try to find a different fish.

223 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:43:10am

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

GWB did iron-fist unaffordable (or at least unpaid for) healthcare on us: Medicare D. Nary a peep from the right on that one.

224 Slap  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:43:53am

re: #117 Rev_Arthur_Belling

To me the hardest style to learn is alternate tunings. Ani DiFranco, for instance, is a beast at this.

Admittedly, I’m one of those annoying folks who can (mostly) transpose on the fly — but as one who’s messed with alternate tunings quite often over the years, the thing that finally “broke the dam” for me was to concentrate on the strings that don’t change pitch. Your fingering patterns for known chords still apply to the “standard” tuned strings, and then it’s a matter of figuring out how to fret or drone the remaining strings, as the sounds suit you.

It’s a real eye-opener once you start to get the hang of it. Opens your mind to all manner of voicing possibilities.

(And if you think Ani DiFranco’s a beast, get a look at some of the self-created tunings that Joni Mitchell has been using for most of her career, particularly the last couple of decades, your skull might pop open!)

Happy sonic adventures to you!!!!

225 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:45:37am

re: #222 Feline Fearless Leader

You’re going to simply get avoidance and the equivalent of a Gish Gallop from this one. She’ll just skip from question to question without ever giving you a serious answer to any of your questions. Cut the line and try to find a different fish.

You’re probably right.

226 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:46:23am

re: #223 Ian G.

Some did scream.

However, Medicare D shows again that ideologically GWB was not that far different than President Obama in some ways.

227 ausador  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:47:24am

Cruz/Palin - 2017!


lolz. :p

228 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:50:01am

The Week piles onto the bandwagon led by the AP:

ObamaCare’s big millennial problem

229 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:51:20am

re: #226 freetoken

Some did scream.

I’m sure they were shortly thereafter excommunicated from the GOP.

230 Bulworth  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:51:36am

Obviously the only solution to restoring people’s crappy insurance plans they had cancelled is to pass federal legislation to require mandate that each state require mandate that said private insurers reinstate said crappy policies because State’s Rights and Freedom.

//

231 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:53:44am

re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader

A push towards a more liberal single-payer system would have turned out to be “HillaryCare 2.0”. Massively opposed even more, and nothing would have gotten off the ground at all. Leaving us with the broken pre-ACA insurance model for at least another decade.

Adopting the RomneyCare/Heritage model was a moderate step. Attempts to close gaps, apply a system that is working for a state on a national level, and also draws more political support since it co-opts a GOP backed policy and also works with the current insurance industry in a evolutionary (instead of revolutionary) step.

If the GOP was anything else than the “Party of No” regarding anything Obama espouses I would expect that this would have been much more efficiently and successfully implemented program. We don’t have a minority party acting as loyal opposition, we have one acting as an active saboteur.

Concur regarding Single Payer. The support just wasn’t there.

232 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:54:33am

Oh great, now AFP is following me.

233 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:57:23am

Local creationist “museum” gets cold shoulder from the legit museums:

Bible-based creation museum denied membership to Museum Council

A Bible-based creation museum, one of the few in America, was recently denied membership into the San Diego Museum Council. The museum’s president said he believes the reason is a prejudice against God.

“Our museum teaches that there is a creator,” said Tom Cantor, President of Museum of Creation and Earth. “The position of the museum is to teach what the bible teaches about creation.”

Last week, the San Diego Museum Council, a coalition of local museums that work together to promote attendance at museums in the region, denied membership to the pro-creationism museum.

“We don’t know of a museum that has ever been rejected by them,” said Cantor, “so we were shocked.”

The creation museum needed 21 yes votes to become a council member. But it came up two votes short.

[…]

234 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 8:57:47am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

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I said this guy would be charged, I was correct. I hope I’m also right that he gets convicted. I firmly believe in armed self-defense, but I believe in it as part my belief in justice. What Theodore Wafer did was unjust and for that he must pay.

235 freetoken  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:00:23am

Also in America today, local newspapers continually shill for their creationists:

Scientist at Creation Ministries International gives lecture on creation and human existence

It’s propaganda being disguised as “local news”.

236 Skip Intro  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:07:10am

re: #228 freetoken

The Week piles onto the bandwagon led by the AP:

ObamaCare’s big millennial problem

Why is reporting reality a “pile on”?

237 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:09:30am

Pissed is what I am. Headache is what I have.

After taking care of a sick wife all night, I finally got to sleep about 5:00 am. The wife then needed me to run down and get her some ginger ale at about 7:00 am so I was awake until somewhere around 9:00.

Half an hour later I have to bounce down and answer the door before the pounding wakes her up just find I’ve been woken up by a Jehovah’s Witness handing out stupid pamphlets.

Now I don’t know whether I should go dig the grave now or wait until my wife wakes up. It’s above zero out there so I’m afraid it might get stinky if I don’t start digging soon.

238 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:10:15am

re: #224 Slap

(And if you think Ani DiFranco’s a beast, get a look at some of the self-created tunings that Joni Mitchell has been using for most of her career, particularly the last couple of decades, your skull might pop open!)

Happy sonic adventures to you!!!!

I was going to mention Joni earlier.

It’s said that she used so many alternate tunings, she actually stopped playing some of her songs because she couldn’t remember which tuning she used for some of them.

239 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:15:09am

Sick shit Bryan Fischer blames JOE BIDEN for murder of Renisha McBride.

240 AlexRogan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:15:29am

NM…

241 AlexRogan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:16:24am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

Sick shit Bryan Fischer blames JOE BIDEN for murder of Renisha McBride.

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WTFITS?

242 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:20:21am

re: #241 AlexRogan

WTFITS?

A dishonest man engaged in reality denial. Biden’s advice wasn’t the best, but to fire on someone on the other side of a locked door is wrong (unless you know that person to be armed, but that was not the case here).

As a reminder, when inside one’s own home the relevant legal doctrine is the ‘Castle Doctrine’. ‘Stand Your Ground’ is not operational in this case.

243 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:23:59am

YOUR ARGLE BARGLE OF THE DAY
I actually tried to read this Argle Bargle. The title is A LIE, the article consists entirely of HURR HURR OBAMAZ FAULT!!!!11!!! repeated over and over without explaining “how”

244 piratedan  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:29:42am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

YOUR ARGLE BARGLE OF THE DAY
I actually tried to read this Argle Bargle. The title is A LIE, the article consists entirely of HURR HURR OBAMAZ FAULT!!!!11!!! repeated over and over without explaining “how”

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amazing since the jobs reports have been showing a small but steady increase since he took office, guess those stats are simply lies and I should trust the party that can’t even be bothered to put a war on the financial ledger

245 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:30:22am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

YOUR ARGLE BARGLE OF THE DAY
I actually tried to read this Argle Bargle. The title is A LIE, the article consists entirely of HURR HURR OBAMAZ FAULT!!!!11!!! repeated over and over without explaining “how”

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Forget it, Alouette, it’s a DeMint article. One retweeted by GOHMERT!, no less.

246 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:32:52am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Forget it, Alouette, it’s a DeMint article. One retweeted by GOHMERT!, no less.

TWICE AS MOAR ARGLE BARGLE!!!!!!

247 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:34:29am

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

Now here is the case of homeowner who should not have been charged for killing someone:

A Maryland homeowner who shot and killed an intruder he suspected was having an affair with his wife in September claims the shooting was self-defense, his attorney told the Capital Gazette. But the state argues that he should have called 911 instead.

Matthew Pinkerton now faces charges of second-degree murder, manslaughter and use of a firearm in a felony or violent crime.

Please read the article. The guy only fired after the attacker kicked down his door, and the prosecutor says he should have called 911.

That is not to take away from the death of Tanish McBride, but rather to show what a justified shooting looks like.

248 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:41:40am
249 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:46:00am

This is from yesterday, but I thought it worthy of posting:

Megyn Kelly and Zeke Emanuel Go at it Over Obamacare Enrollments

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm and Ari, and author of “Brothers Emanuel” made a return visit to Megyn Kelly’s show last night to talk about Obamacare sign-ups. The conversation got pretty heated, pretty quickly, with Emanuel pointing fingers at Fox News’ coverage telling Kelly her facts were wrong.

“You and your colleagues were constantly criticizing, trying to underfund it and trying to make sure it didn’t work,” said Emanuel. “It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.”

“I don’t think Fox News had anything to do with the rollout of HealthCare.gov,” Kelly responded. “As far as I know, we didn’t touch that website.”

Video is at the link.

250 Learned Pie Of Zion  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:46:54am

A new wingnut to play with!

251 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:47:43am

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

A new wingnut to play with!

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Great comeback.

252 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:48:06am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

Sick shit Bryan Fischer blames JOE BIDEN for murder of Renisha McBride.

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Double lie. Biden didn’t recommend shooting through the door, and Wafer didn’t shoot through the door. The only connection is that he used a shotgun.

253 Mike Lamb  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 9:57:06am

re: #244 piratedan

amazing since the jobs reports have been showing a small but steady increase since he took office, guess those stats are simply lies and I should trust the party that can’t even be bothered to put a war on the financial ledger

They’ve been showing fairly robust private sector job growth. It’s the austerity emergency brake leading to reduced public sector employment that is keeping unemployment rates higher than are needed/should be.

254 EmmaAnne  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 10:45:28am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Shorter @chadsdaddy: LOOK HEAR ARE SOME RACISTS QUOTES ALL LIBRULZ IS TEH RACISTS!!!!!!!11!!!

The LBJ quote may be bogus.

From my Googling, it looks like one of Ronald Kessler’s made up quotes. I haven’t found any reputable sources.

255 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Nov 15, 2013 11:21:26am

re: #224 Slap

thanks (belatedly) for that. I admit I don’t venture too far in the alt tunings waters, just admire from afar. Peter Mulvey is also good at this.


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