Norway’s Intel Chief Exposes Yet Another Greenwald Distortion

Greenwald lies again
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Glenn Greenwald’s latest story extracted from the NSA documents stolen by Edward Snowden is yet another example of how he distorts the information to smear the US — every time.

His article for Dagbladet claims that the NSA spied on “33 million” Norwegian telephone calls, but Norway’s chief of military intelligence says the claim is totally false. In fact, the telephone metadata discussed in Greenwald’s story was collected by Norwegian intelligence and shared with the NSA — and it was not even collected in Norway.

OSLO, Norway — Norway’s military intelligence chief said Tuesday his country carries out surveillance on millions of phone calls in conflict areas around the world and shares that data with allies, including the United States.

Lt. Gen. Kjell Grandhagen made the statement at a hastily organized news conference called in response to a story in the tabloid Dagbladet, which reported that 33 million Norwegian phone calls had been monitored by the U.S. National Security Agency.

Grandhagen vigorously denied the story.

We had to correct that picture because we know that this in fact is not about surveillance in Norway or against Norway, but it is about the Norwegian intelligence effort abroad,” he told The Associated Press.

He stressed that his agency’s actions were legal under Norwegian law since the surveillance was based on suspicions of terrorism-related activity and that potential targets could include Norwegian citizens abroad.

Grandhagen said his intelligence agency had “absolutely no indication” that the NSA was spying on Norwegians.

Not only has Greenwald been shown — again — to be distorting and exaggerating the facts, this also strongly refutes his claim that there’s something uniquely evil about USA intelligence activities. Even Norway has a mass metadata collection program going on. If anything is clear by now from all this, it’s that every country in the world that has the capability to do this kind of surveillance is doing it. And they’re doing it to protect their citizens from terrorism, not for some nefarious evil privacy-destroying agenda.

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175 comments
1 Schadenboner  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:54:57am

What’s wrong with Rand Paul’s ‘Audit the Fed’ Bill? Everything.”?

Pffff, no one goes there anymore. It’s too crowded!

2 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:55:01am

Still waiting on a Greenwald supporter to actually point out one thing Glenn has actually gotten right.

3 erik_t  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:55:59am

It’s a tall order for an ostensible reporter to have actual negative credibility with me. I generally assume that even Fox News is technically telling me the truth, even if they’re telling it in a way carefully calculated to make me feel a certain way.

Glenn Greenbeck has negative credibility with me. When he tells me X, I feel more sure than before that the truth is -X.

Grape job, buddy.

4 ausador  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:57:35am

But, but the United States government is uniquely evil and they will never be satisfied until they completely obliterate our 1st Amendment protections!

It’s all a conspiracy bro…

5 Schadenboner  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:58:55am

re: #3 erik_t

It’s a tall order for an ostensible reporter to have actual negative credibility with me. I generally assume that even Fox News is technically telling me the truth, even if they’re telling it in a way carefully calculated to make me feel a certain way.

Glenn Greenbeck has negative credibility with me. When he tells me X, I feel more sure than before that the truth is -X.

Grape job, buddy.

Or at least “Not X”. This covers (but is not coextensive with) “-X”, among other possibilities.

TLDR: Greenwald is hella wrong.

6 Tim TeaBro  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 10:59:22am

In addition to the USA, GB, and Norway, I’m sure Greenwald is working on an expose of all the spying Russia and China are doing on it’s citizens, as well as Brazil.

7 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:01:23am

re: #4 ausador

But, but the United States government is uniquely evil and they will never be satisfied until they completely obliterate our 1st Amendment protections!

It’s all a conspiracy bro…

I think you’ve hit upon the Dudebro Corollary of American Exceptionalism.

8 jaunte  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:02:38am

Off course indeed.

9 ausador  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:03:01am

re: #6 Tim TeaBro

In addition to the USA, GB, and Norway, I’m sure Greenwald is working on an expose of all the spying Russia and China are doing on it’s citizens, as well as Brazil.

He has inadvertently managed to expose some of that already, of course that only happened because of articles he wrote that blamed the U.S. for the spying that turned out to have been conducted by other countries.

10 William of Orange  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:05:39am
11 William of Orange  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:07:17am

In other AWESONE news today…

YAY!!!

12 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:11:29am
13 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:12:21am

So what do the dudebros do? Why, another article in The Guardian in which Ackerman asserts that a FISA judge says the NSA is overbroad in its collection of data, although the ruling link itself is undated, and redacted, so we don’t actually know when this happened, or any other real information. Bates was appointed in 2006 as a FISA judge by John Roberts and is a long time govt employee, both as an atty and judge in various capacities.

Note that the doc linked to in The Guardian allegedly showing the ruling appears as “CLEANEDPRTT 2.pdf”

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:14:03am

re: #10 William of Orange

Fox News was attacking Obama this morning for not doing anything to mark the occasion.

15 Schadenboner  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:14:15am

re: #9 ausador

He has inadvertently managed to expose some of that already, of course that only happened because of articles he wrote that blamed the U.S. for the spying that turned out to have been conducted by other countries.

This actually gets to the heart of why the Greenwald thing pisses me off so thoroughly: surveillance of citizens by effectively unaccountable executive agencies (keeping in mind that the extent to which the NSA broke established law and policy in this case is far from clear) is a problem. It’s a problem that needs to be discussed in any democratic polity worthy of the name. It’s a civil rights issue.

But acting as if this were just a foreign policy issue, making it just another opportunity to bitch about imagined slights by the US, or pretending that such espionage is the sole province of the US is a massive abrogation of journalistic standards.

And it proves that Greenwald is a second-tier pamphleteer, a crank grinding an axe, not a journalist.

16 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:14:22am

Just a drive-by: Sorry to go OT so early, but if you haven’t seen this awesome video, you should check it out.

Interactive Official video for Bob Dylan’s ‘Like A Rolling Stone’

It is awesome. BBL

17 jaunte  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:16:14am

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News was attacking Obama this morning for not doing anything to mark the occasion.

Maybe he could have the Secret Service bring a few Confederate flag wavers in for questioning.

18 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:18:28am

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News was attacking Obama this morning for not doing anything to mark the occasion.

19 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:18:29am

re: #2 Kragar

Still waiting on a Greenwald supporter to actually point out one thing Glenn has actually gotten right.

His shoes are on the right feet.

20 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:18:56am

re: #19 b_sharp

His shoes are on the right feet.

Citation needed.

21 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:22:44am

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Obamacare is hurting ‘many’ elderly pregnant women

“That leaves hundreds of thousands of patients without the doctor that they’ve had for many many years,” Varney added. “We don’t know how many thousands have been dropped, but thousands have been dropped. What about their patients? What about the people who used to have this doctor who now no longer have this doctor? Broken promise.”

“And many of those people are women who are expecting babies and who may just have a real relationship with their physician and want to see the same doctor deliver possibly their second child,” Hasselbeck opined. “And they are now left in the dark in a time that they feeling quite vulnerable.”

“Most of them are elderly,” Varney pointed out.

Medicare Advantage is a type of Medicare offered by private companies to people over 65 years of age. Medicare Advantage covers traditional Medicare plus additional services, but customers must pay a premium.

It’s not clear how many women over the age of 65 are pregnant, but United Healthcare does offer maternity coverage to Medicare Advantage customers.

22 b.d.  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:22:52am

Any response yet from Edward R. Dudebro?

23 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:24:00am
24 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:24:10am

Charles:

For accuracy, I’d suggest amending your initial statement as follows:

Glenn Greenwald’s latest story extracted from his cache of NSA documents stolen by Snowden stolen NSA documents is yet

The rest of the article mirrors those of the UK, French and other countries whose spying efforts were revealed as a result of Greenwald’s single minded determination to throw the US intel programs under the bus and jeopardize intel programs across the globe for the US and its allies.

Once again, Greenwald doesn’t bother to read the details of the documents, nor care what the effect is on various countries.

Here, it’s the Norwegian government responding to the claims that the NSA was spying on Norwegians (the 33 million Norwegian calls), and setting the record straight that it was actually the Norwegian spy agency spying on other countries and then sharing that intel with the US and other allies.

It still remains most curious how all the Greenwald documents and efforts undermine US intel gathering, threaten US relations with allies, neutrals, and ignores the heavy (iron) fisted approach by Russia (where Snowden resides in asylum) on anyone that even speaks out against the Russian government in other-than-government approved messages, or how the Brazilian government ignores civil rights ahead of the World Cup.

25 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:24:20am

re: #22 b.d.

Any response yet from Edward R. Dudebro?

[REDACTED]

26 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:24:45am

re: #22 b.d.

Any response yet from Edward R. Dudebro?

He’s not off shift yet from his job at a Moscow McDonalds.

27 erik_t  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:26:50am

re: #26 b_sharp

He’s not off shift yet from his job at a Moscow McDonalds.

In Soviet Russia, wage slaves you!

28 piratedan  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:26:56am

hey now Charles,

That Norwegian dude can’t be trusted, he’s part of the system, we’re supposed to view all government mouthpieces with the same disdain for veracity. Look at long record of truthtelling that Glenn has crafted and there’s no way that you can stack his reputation against that of some foreign government flunky, again ///////

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:27:01am

re: #26 b_sharp

He’s not off shift yet from his job at a Moscow McDonalds.

“Bah da da da da….I’m stealin’ it!”

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:30:20am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

“Bah da da da da….I’m stealin’ it!”

In Soviet McDonald’s Big Mac order you!
:p

31 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:31:10am
32 ausador  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:34:39am

re: #31 Kragar

That’s scrolls…oh wait…now I see what you did there… :p

33 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:35:13am

re: #31 Kragar

God, if anyone deserves a place in the giant dumpster of history it’s this moron. Along with his books. Though there is a process by which newspaper and black and white printed paper can be fashioned into cat litter(the brand name is Yesterday’s News),so maybe just leave him behind in the dumpster and the books could be put to better use than just landfill material.

34 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:35:46am

re: #32 ausador

That’s scrolls…oh wait…now I see what you did there… :p

I have a sensitive tuckus, so acid free is really a selling point.

35 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:36:14am

re: #31 Kragar

Glenn Beck said today that all of his future books will be published on acid-free paper so they’ll last for generations & preserve the truth

I suspect that Glenn Beck’s books are much, much better on acid.

36 dr. klys  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:36:50am

re: #34 Kragar

I have a sensitive tuckus, so acid free is really a selling point.

You get an upding for the word tuckus.

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:38:01am

re: #31 Kragar

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Yes future generations will read Beck and wonder why he wasn’t in a mental hospital.

38 jaunte  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:39:13am

Abbott campaign: A vote for Wendy Davis is a vote to expand Obamacare in Texas

It’s Healthcare! Run!!!!

39 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:39:39am

re: #31 Kragar

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Do you suppose those will include the books he buys from other writers and then publishes under his own name?

40 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:39:55am

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Yes future generations will read Beck and wonder why he wasn’t in a mental hospital.

Future generations? Hell, I wonder why Glenn Beck isn’t in a mental hospital every time I hear his name.

41 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:41:38am

re: #38 jaunte

Abbott campaign: A vote for Wendy Davis is a vote to expand Obamacare in Texas

It’s Healthcare! Run!!!!

So he campaigning for Davis?
/

42 dr. klys  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:43:11am

re: #41 Kragar

So he campaigning for Davis?
/

There are days I don’t understand people. And then there are states where I don’t understand people.

Texas (as a whole) would be one of them.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:46:55am

re: #38 jaunte

Abbott campaign: A vote for Wendy Davis is a vote to expand Obamacare in Texas

It’s Healthcare! Run!!!!

And a vote for Abbott is just voting for Rick Perry with another name. How nice of Abbott to condemn big bad government health care while he himself receives it.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:50:56am

For some reason, my eyes see “Dagbladet” and my brain says “Dagnabit”…

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:53:27am

And I’m certain they are just chortling over how clever they think this is:

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:54:59am

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I’m certain they are just chortling over how clever they think this is:

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and this…

47 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:56:18am
48 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 11:58:52am

So, for some mental health, here’s a link to a photo gallery of a viewing platform in the Beskid Mountains, not far from me, actually.

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

49 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:02:27pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

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Broviating. I like it!

Hey WW! Off-topic, but If I can disassemble, clean, and reassemble a watch, is there any reason I can’t rebuild a 2006 Veloce Ergopower shifter?

50 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:02:29pm
51 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:03:19pm

This week in responsible gun ownership:

Dallas man arrested for fatally shooting hotel guest from another room

“The bullet came through the wall that was across from where she was lying, went through that wall, through the room, and struck her in the chest as she was lying in bed, sitting up,” said Irving police spokesman John Argumaniz.

Reedy was transported to Parkland Hospital, where she died. Michael Shane Gray, 36, of Dallas, was arrested and charged with criminally negligent homicide. If convicted, he faces between 180 days to two years in jail.

When asked if the gun went off accidentally, Argumaniz would only say that there was evidence Gray was negligent in the shooting.

52 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:03:27pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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I saw that. Apparently if the guy is just a violence-prone asshole, it’s not possible that he’s also racist.

Good to know.
///

53 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:04:26pm

re: #52 GeneJockey

I saw that. Apparently if the guy is just a violence-prone asshole, it’s not possible that he’s also racist.

Good to know.
///

It can only be one or the other, obviously.
/

54 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:05:24pm

re: #51 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This week in responsible gun ownership:

Dallas man arrested for fatally shooting hotel guest from another room

When asked if the gun went off accidentally, Argumaniz would only say that there was evidence Gray was negligent in the shooting.

Maybe he thought he was Elvis, shooting the TV.
///

Probably too soon to talk about gun control, though.

55 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:06:32pm

re: #53 Kragar

It can only be one or the other, obviously.
/

So, which do you suppose the KKK is comprised of? Racists or violence-prone assholes?

56 erik_t  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:06:58pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

Maybe he thought he was Elvis, shooting the TV.
///

Probably too soon to talk about gun control, though.

How dare you exploit this terrible tragedy to push your evil freedom-hating gun control agenda!!!!1

57 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:07:50pm
58 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:08:17pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

So, which do you suppose the KKK is comprised of? Racists or violence-prone assholes?

Liberal Democrats, or so I’ve been told.
/

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:08:36pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

Broviating. I like it!

Hey WW! Off-topic, but If I can disassemble, clean, and reassemble a watch, is there any reason I can’t rebuild a 2006 Veloce Ergopower shifter?

I haven’t opened one of those myself. I have opened the Shimano ones. Difficulties arise when trying to attach springs wound the right way into the right holes, so as a watch guy, it should be right up your alley. Not getting it right can cause a disaster, though. I’ve seen Shimano controls that came off their mounts and went into the front spokes. O:

Campy does have the reputation of making their stuff more serviceable than Shimano. There might even be a useful diagram. But my best recommendation is to experiment on somebody else’s first.

What’s it doing or not doing, or is it just there, asking to be disassembled?

60 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:09:16pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

I was (slightly) surprised to note that the possible jail time he faces for criminially negligent homicide is the same as he would face if he was caught with 4 ounces of weed under his couch. I’m not going to try to count the number things wrong with that.

61 erik_t  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:09:17pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

What’s it doing or not doing, or is it just there, asking to be disassembled?

The nerve of it, sitting there all put-together-y!

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:10:22pm

re: #54 GeneJockey

Maybe he thought he was Elvis, shooting the TV.
///

Probably too soon to talk about gun control, though.

Maybe start requiring hotels to bulletproof their walls - and send the bill to the NRA.
////

63 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:10:34pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

Broviating. I like it!

Hey WW! Off-topic, but If I can disassemble, clean, and reassemble a watch, is there any reason I can’t rebuild a 2006 Veloce Ergopower shifter?

Speaking of watches:

Interview: Meet Dan Spitz, Anthrax Guitarist Turned Master Watchmaker

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:10:47pm

re: #51 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This week in responsible gun ownership:

Dallas man arrested for fatally shooting hotel guest from another room

Meanwhile in Portlandia….
‘Joe Biden defense’ used by Vancouver man who fired shotgun to scare off car prowlers

65 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:10:57pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson
Ahh, I see then it doesn’t really matter the race or gender of the person, if Zimmerman has a gun then there’s a good chance you’ll be shot.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:11:32pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I haven’t opened one of those myself. I have opened the Shimano ones. Difficulties arise when trying to attach springs wound the right way into the right holes, so as a watch guy, it should be right up your alley. Not getting it right can cause a disaster, though. I’ve seen Shimano controls that came off their mounts and went into the front spokes. O:

Campy does have the reputation of making their stuff more serviceable than Shimano. There might even be a useful diagram. But my best recommendation is to experiment on somebody else’s first.

What’s it doing or not doing, or is it just there, asking to be disassembled?

#5 alive! DON’T DISASSEMBLE!
:)

67 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:12:27pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I haven’t opened one of those myself. I have opened the Shimano ones. Difficulties arise when trying to attach springs wound the right way into the right holes, so as a watch guy, it should be right up your alley. Not getting it right can cause a disaster, though. I’ve seen Shimano controls that came off their mounts and went into the front spokes. O:

Campy does have the reputation of making their stuff more serviceable than Shimano. There might even be a useful diagram. But my best recommendation is to experiment on somebody else’s first.

What’s it doing or not doing, or is it just there, asking to be disassembled?

The shifting the rear der. suddenly went from ‘crisp and clicky’ to vague and imprecise. The bike forums say it’s probably the G-springs and the carrier, and parts can be had easily. Probably only 5000 miles, but as a Clydesdale living in a hilly area, I shift more than most.

68 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:13:45pm

As someone who has argued with gate personnel over carrying on a guitar countless times, this is awesome news:

69 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:14:18pm

re: #60 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I was (slightly) surprised to note that the possible jail time he faces for criminially negligent homicide is the same as he would face if he was caught with 4 ounces of weed under his couch. I’m not going to try to count the number things wrong with that.

(In which I ought to already know the depressingly obvious answer to the question) - will he be allowed to keep the gun once his “sentence” is over?

70 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:16:35pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Campy does have the reputation of making their stuff more serviceable than Shimano. There might even be a useful diagram. But my best recommendation is to experiment on somebody else’s first.

If only I had someone else’s to experiment on! As it is, I’ll probably go ahead, bearing in mind that I can probably snag a new set of brifters for under $200 if I fuck it up.

71 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:16:42pm
72 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:17:26pm

Greenwald is milking this for all he’s worth.

I read this over at WaPo this morning. It puts things back in perspective.

In Germany, legacy of Stasi puts different perspective on NSA spying

BERLIN — German officials have been quick to ascribe the fury of their citizens over U.S. spying to their own history with the excesses of the surveillance state. But victims of the fearsome Communist East German secret police say: Not so fast. […]

The secret police, or Stasi, roped in an estimated 190,000 part-time secret informants and employed an additional 90,000 officers full time — in total, more than one in every 50 adult East Germans as of 1990. East Germans who dared to criticize their government — even to a spouse, a best friend or a pastor — could wind up disappearing into the penal system for years. […]

Hubertus Knabe — a West German who smuggled banned books into the East and later discovered that he had been betrayed by a priest who had encouraged him to do so — now has a plate-glass view of the most perilous destination for victims of Stasi surveillance. He is the director of the Hohenschoenhausen prison museum, which is hidden away in a Berlin neighborhood whose rows of imposing apartment blocks still house many former Stasi officers.

Knabe said the consequences of the Stasi’s excesses were far more devastating than anything associated with the NSA. “They forget what it’s like to live in a dictatorship versus a democracy,” he said of people who say that the NSA has behaved like the Stasi.

Former inmates lead tours of the dank, tiny cells in which they were incarcerated, and they say they sometimes run into their old tormenters on the street or at the grocery store. […]

washingtonpost.com

73 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:17:45pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

As someone who has argued with gate personnel over carrying on a guitar countless times, this is awesome news:

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Hmm…I assume I’ll still have to buy a seat for a cello, too big for overhead storage.

74 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:17:49pm

re: #63 Kragar

Speaking of watches:

Interview: Meet Dan Spitz, Anthrax Guitarist Turned Master Watchmaker

I saw that. I’d kill for his bench and toolset. Or his skillset.

75 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:17:51pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

The shifting the rear der. suddenly went from ‘crisp and clicky’ to vague and imprecise. The bike forums say it’s probably the G-springs and the carrier, and parts can be had easily. Probably only 5000 miles, but as a Clydesdale living in a hilly area, I shift more than most.

And you tried replacing the cable and housing?

76 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:18:49pm

re: #63 Kragar

That was a great interview, even if you I don’t care about metal or watches.

77 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:18:50pm

re: #69 Interesting Times

(In which I ought to already know the depressingly obvious answer to the question) - will he be allowed to keep the gun once his “sentence” is over?

Hell yeah, He only killed someone, what’s the big deal? It’s not some unforgivable sin that he needs punished the rest of his life for like being gay or something.

78 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:18:52pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

As someone who has argued with gate personnel over carrying on a guitar countless times, this is awesome news:

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Where can I put this grand piano? //

79 jaunte  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:19:17pm

re: #78 Gus

Bulkhead seat.

80 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:19:28pm

Some cliff jumping over this today: A pro-Israel hawk to draft Kerry’s peace plan?

81 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:19:44pm
82 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:19:46pm

re: #51 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This week in responsible gun ownership:

Dallas man arrested for fatally shooting hotel guest from another room

In his mugshot, he doesn’t look even remotely sorry or scared — just pissed.

83 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:19:47pm

re: #69 Interesting Times

(In which I ought to already know the depressingly obvious answer to the question) - will he be allowed to keep the gun once his “sentence” is over?

No. It is a felony conviction and also has a sentence of greater than one year possible upon conviction. He then becomes a prohibited person under, IIRC, the GCA of 1968 and is not allowed to own or possess firearms.

84 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:21:29pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

And you tried replacing the cable and housing?

That was my first thought, but it doesn’t work as it should even with no cable. And the cable’s not frayed either. But it’s time to recable the whole thing anyhow.

Luckily, I have two other bikes ready to roll. That saved Sunday’s ride!

85 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:21:39pm

re: #71 Kragar

Whose version of creation? /

86 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:24:43pm

re: #84 GeneJockey

That was my first thought, but it doesn’t work as it should even with no cable. And the cable’s not frayed either. But it’s time to recable the whole thing anyhow.

Luckily, I have two other bikes ready to roll. That saved Sunday’s ride!

99 times out of 100, the fault is in the cable housing. The teflon liner is worn through and the cable is rubbing on metal. Change the housing and try it before doing anything extreme! 5,000 miles is WAY past time.

87 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:25:00pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Whose version of creation? /

In the beginning, there was nothing. Then, there was a seething nuclear chaos and the piping of mad gods.

88 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:25:21pm

re: #71 Kragar

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You are an artist.

89 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:25:50pm

re: #84 GeneJockey

That was my first thought, but it doesn’t work as it should even with no cable. And the cable’s not frayed either. But it’s time to recable the whole thing anyhow.

Luckily, I have two other bikes ready to roll. That saved Sunday’s ride!

Without a cable, you don’t have the spring pulling things back where they should be. Not a fair test.

90 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:25:51pm

re: #77 Eventual Carrion

Hell yeah, He only killed someone, what’s the big deal? It’s not some unforgivable sin that he needs punished the rest of his life for like being gay or something.

Yeah, it’s comforting to know that ending another person’s life warrants a bare minimum of 180 days in jail. Meanwhile, being in possession of a dimebag of weed in a ‘school zone’ can land you a minimum of two years in some states.

Good to know we’ve got our justice priorities straight in this country.

91 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:26:04pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Whose version of creation? /

The one where all of creation was sneezed out by the Great Green Arkleseizure. Fischer is predicting the endtimes, with the arrival of the Great White Handkerchief, once we get all the Jooze corralled in the Jews all return to Israel.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:26:59pm
93 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:28:14pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

As a person who has served papers a few times, allow me to say HAHAHAHAHA!

94 blueraven  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:28:16pm

The state of mental healthcare in this country

Gus Deeds was evaluated yesterday under and emergency hold. He was held for 4 hours to see if he should be admitted for at least an additional 48 hours, but was let go instead. The reason? No “psychiatric” beds available.

95 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:28:19pm

BREAKING NEWS

Mayor Rob Ford:

‘I’m not perfect’

on the other hand he is the most prominent crack-smoking mayor in the entire northern hemisphere

96 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:29:09pm

So Klayman’s million man tea party march on the White House fell short by about 999,900 people.

So close.

97 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:29:34pm

re: #91 GeneJockey

The one where all of creation was sneezed out by the Great Green Arkleseizure. Fischer is predicting the endtimes, with the arrival of the Great White Handkerchief, once we get all the Jooze corralled in the Jews all return to Israel.

it’s a trick!!

they’re gonna get us all in there and then cut off the chinese food!

98 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:30:34pm

re: #94 blueraven

The state of mental healthcare in this country

Gus Deeds was evaluated yesterday under and emergency hold. He was held for 4 hours to see if he should be admitted for at least an additional 48 hours, but was let go instead. The reason? No “psychiatric” beds available.

“Suck it up, walk it off” is not a Mental Healthcare plan.

99 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:31:16pm

re: #97 dog philosopher

it’s a trick!!

they’re gonna get us all in there and then cut off the chinese food!

Then how will you celebrate Christmas?

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:31:39pm

re: #94 blueraven

The state of mental healthcare in this country

Gus Deeds was evaluated yesterday under and emergency hold. He was held for 4 hours to see if he should be admitted for at least an additional 48 hours, but was let go instead. The reason? No “psychiatric” beds available.

Twas the same situation with the VA Tech shooter, he was ruled a danger to himself, but due to no open beds being available, the judge ruled he could be treated on an outpatient basis and state law at the time was the only way you lost your right to buy or own a gun in the state is if you’d been committed to inpatient care for mental illness.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:31:50pm

re: #96 Kragar

So Klayman’s million man tea party march on the White House fell short by about 999,900 people.

So close.

You jumped the gun before the unskewed numbers were published.
/

102 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:32:56pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

99 times out of 100, the fault is in the cable housing. The teflon liner is worn through and the cable is rubbing on metal. Change the housing and try it before doing anything extreme! 5,000 miles is WAY past time.

I’ll try recabling, but buy the parts anyway since you never know when they’ll stop selling them.

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:33:05pm

We can only hope…

today.com

104 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:34:07pm

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

We can only hope…

today.com

Yo, Kanye, I’m gonna let you finish…

105 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:35:12pm

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

Now if he would just go away and take all the Kardashians with him. Then I would consider him a great man and an asset to the country….

106 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:36:35pm

re: #105 A Mom Anon

Now if he would just go away and take all the Kardashians with him. Then I would consider him a great man and an asset to the country….

THIS.

107 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:36:42pm

re: #105 A Mom Anon

Now if he would just go away and take all the Kardashians with him. Then I would consider him a great man and an asset to the country….

But what about the Kardashian Kollection at K-mart? Where will we get our Komedy K’s?

108 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:38:25pm

re: #96 Kragar

So Klayman’s million man tea party march on the White House fell short by about 999,900 people.

So close.

I woulda gone, but they’re having a Matlock marathon.

109 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:39:44pm
110 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:40:58pm

re: #96 Kragar

So Klayman’s million man tea party march on the White House fell short by about 999,900 people.

So close.

So the Government HASN’T been overthrown?

111 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:44:17pm

re: #110 GeneJockey

So the Government HASN’T been overthrown?

Obviously the NSA got to all those people and blackmailed them into not showing up.

112 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:45:06pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

BTW, leftists, if Zimmerman pulled a gun on his gf, that hurts your argument that Trayvon was race-based

i don’t believe he got out of a car and stalked her on suspicion of trespassing with intent to commit a crime

thank you i didn’t need any further evidence of your lack of logic skills

113 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:45:59pm

re: #111 Kragar

Obviously the NSA got to all those people and blackmailed them into not showing up.

Or maybe they’re in FEMA camps! Or Raptured up!
///

114 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:46:52pm

re: #113 GeneJockey

Or maybe they’re in FEMA camps! Or Raptured up!
///

They must have gotten stuck on the road behind all those truckers and couldn’t make it into DC.

115 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:47:07pm

re: #110 GeneJockey

So the Government HASN’T been overthrown?

no

now put back the nuclear devices

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:50:26pm
117 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:52:03pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Not really ‘nose-to-nose’, though, given dolphin anatomy. But ‘nose-to-blowhole’ wouldn’t be as cute….
///

118 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:52:18pm

why is it so bloody fashionable these days for lunch to come with viciously spicy-hot sauces?

i don’t like my midday meal biting me back

119 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:54:57pm
120 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:57:27pm

re: #119 Kragar

[Embedded content]

They’re all at worked, you lazy liberal! They don’t have the luxury of a welfare check paid with other people’s money!!!

121 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:57:40pm

re: #119 Kragar

Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman, who emceed the event, told attendees if President Barack Obama does not resign by Nov. 29, conservative activists will meet in Philadelphia to elect a shadow government

who know what eebils lurks in the hearts of men?

122 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman, who emceed the event, told attendees if President Barack Obama does not resign by Nov. 29, conservative activists will meet in Philadelphia to elect a shadow government

who know what eebils lurks in the hearts of men?

Oh, for the love of mike.

123 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:59:14pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

As a person who has served papers a few times, allow me to say HAHAHAHAHA!

I am never eating at your place.

124 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:03:19pm

re: #122 GeneJockey

That’s funny as fuck. You know, I could build a treehouse and declare it’s the New White House, NO ONE ALLOWED BUT ME and my dog (who would make an excellent VP/Sec of Home Defense) declare it the New Government, and well, it wouldn’t mean shit. Except that my husband would probably contact a mental health professional to visit me with a big dose of sedative and remove me from the treehouse and have me hospitalized. Even if I appointed him to be my Secretary of Everything else.

Seriously, could someone take these people’s car keys away?

125 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:03:34pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman, who emceed the event, told attendees if President Barack Obama does not resign by Nov. 29, conservative activists will meet in Philadelphia to elect a shadow government

who know what eebils lurks in the hearts of men?

Because replacing the twice democratically elected President of the United States with a new one hand picked by a bunch of whack jobs divorced from reality is how you fight tyranny.

126 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:03:54pm

re: #117 GeneJockey

Not really ‘nose-to-nose’, though, given dolphin anatomy. But ‘nose-to-blowhole’ wouldn’t be as cute….
///

I love the way you can see the move of the nose to blowhole position in the fossils. Trying to get a creationist to actually look at those fossils is futile.

127 Dr. Matt  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:04:55pm

Has Sean Hannity offered to cough up 9K for Killerman’s bail?

128 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:05:16pm

re: #124 A Mom Anon

That’s funny as fuck. You know, I could build a treehouse and declare it’s the New White House, NO ONE ALLOWED BUT ME and my dog (who would make an excellent VP/Sec of Home Defense) declare it the New Government, and well, it wouldn’t mean shit. Except that my husband would probably contact a mental health professional to visit me with a big dose of sedative and remove me from the treehouse and have me hospitalized. Even if I appointed him to be my Secretary of Everything else.

Seriously, could someone take these people’s car keys away?

Can I be secretary of foreign affairs?

129 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:08:06pm

“Reg” Klayman: “We’re giving Obama two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the American Imperialist State and if he doesn’t agree immediately we’ll replace him.”

130 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:09:02pm

re: #128 b_sharp

Can I be secretary of foreign affairs?

LUCY LAWLESS!

Oh, I was thinking of the other kind of foreign affairs.

I still call dibs.

131 Dr. Matt  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:09:32pm

re: #129 Kragar

“Reg” Klayman: “We’re giving Obama two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the American Imperialist State and if he doesn’t agree immediately we’ll replace him.”

Did he really say this? Isn’t such a threat sedition?

132 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:10:16pm

re: #128 b_sharp
Sure why not? LOL.

133 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:10:51pm

re: #131 Dr. Matt

Did he really say this? Isn’t such a threat sedition?

Shouldn’t Mr. Klayman be in a mental asylum somewhere? Talk about delusional behavior.

134 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:11:47pm

re: #131 Dr. Matt

Did he really say this? Isn’t such a threat sedition?


What Have the Romans Ever Done For Us?

Francis: We get in through the underground heating system here… up through to the main audience chamber here… and Pilate’s wife’s bedroom is here. Having grabbed his wife, we inform Pilate that she is in our custody and forthwith issue our demands. Any questions?

Xerxes: What exactly are the demands?

Reg: We’re giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State and if he doesn’t agree immediately we execute her.

135 Dr. Matt  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:14:24pm

Zimmerman’s wife, Shellie, reportedly served him divorce papers while he was in jail waiting for Tuesday’s bond hearing.


hahahaha. Looks like he picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

136 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:14:48pm

re: #129 Kragar

“Reg” Klayman: “We’re giving Obama two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the American Imperialist State and if he doesn’t agree immediately we’ll replace him.”

my feeling is that in normal life nobody ever listens to this guy or takes anything he says seriously, and this is the only way he can come up with to fight back against his overwhelming sense of powerlessness

137 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:17:30pm

re: #130 Kragar

LUCY LAWLESS!

Oh, I was thinking of the other kind of foreign affairs.

I still call dibs.

Same kind I was thinking of.

138 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:19:07pm

re: #81 Kragar

And such a diverse crowd of light white to medium white people.

139 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:20:31pm

re: #137 b_sharp

Same kind I was thinking of.

Alex Trebek: Let’s just go with Foreign Flicks for $800.

Sean Connery: Ursula Andress.

Alex Trebek: What?

Sean Connery: Ursula Andress, Catherine Deneuve, and Charo, twice.

Alex Trebek: That’s Foreign Flicks, Mr. Connery. Foreign Flicks.

140 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:21:32pm

re: #137 b_sharp

Alright, that’s enough or I take back my appointment. Damn it this is SERIOUS you guys…(snort, chortle, heehee)

141 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:22:03pm

You know. People on the internet can be so freaking annoying.

142 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:27:36pm
143 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:29:05pm

re: #141 Gus

You know. People on the internet can be so freaking annoying.

Dante Hicks: You hate people!

Randal Graves: But I love gatherings. Isn’t it ironic?

144 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:29:26pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman, who emceed the event, told attendees if President Barack Obama does not resign by Nov. 29, conservative activists will meet in Philadelphia to elect a shadow government

who know what eebils lurks in the hearts of men?

“Larry Klayman, Shadow President” has that “Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius” ring to it.

145 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:31:27pm

OT: East Coasters may be treated to another night time rocket launch from VA tonight.

Details here.

146 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:36:15pm

re: #124 A Mom Anon

That’s funny as fuck. You know, I could build a treehouse and declare it’s the New White House, NO ONE ALLOWED BUT ME and my dog (who would make an excellent VP/Sec of Home Defense) declare it the New Government, and well, it wouldn’t mean shit. Except that my husband would probably contact a mental health professional to visit me with a big dose of sedative and remove me from the treehouse and have me hospitalized. Even if I appointed him to be my Secretary of Everything else.

Seriously, could someone take these people’s car keys away?

I volunteer to be Lord High Executioner. You see,

As someday it may happen that a victim must be found,
I’ve got a little list,
I’ve got a little list,
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed,
They never would be missed!

147 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:36:40pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Freedom Watch founder Larry Klayman, who emceed the event, told attendees if President Barack Obama does not resign by Nov. 29, conservative activists will meet in Philadelphia to elect a shadow government

who know what eebils lurks in the hearts of men?

I think due to the short notice for getting a meeting hall they’ll be at the Denny’s in King of Prussia instead.
/

148 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:38:50pm

re: #121 dog philosopher

Good grief, the Revolution has been delayed until November 29? WTFITS?

//

149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:40:02pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson


So apparently Ben’s argument is that George and Trayvon were involved in a romantic relationship. Who knew?

150 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:40:24pm

re: #141 Gus

You know. People on the internet can be so freaking annoying.

I’m saving this one. That’s gonna be handy in the future.

151 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:40:46pm
152 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:43:07pm

re: #149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Translation: Our hero Zimmerman is such an ass he threatens to kill his GF.

153 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:43:37pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

I’m saving this one. That’s gonna be handy in the future.

Yes. A stunning new discovery I came across on USENET back in 1995. //

154 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:44:15pm
155 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:45:14pm

To be fair. // Someone said the tornado hitting Coal City was karma. LOL

156 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:45:19pm

re: #153 Gus

Yes. A stunning new discovery I came across on USENET back in 1995. //

It will be nice to cite an expert when someone annoys me in the future, instead of just giving them my lowly opinion!

157 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:45:46pm

**FLIPS TABLE**

158 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:47:05pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

It will be nice to cite an expert when someone annoys me in the future, instead of just giving them my lowly opinion!

I rather go to bed when that happens. Bed. Couch. Something.

159 Dr. Matt  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:47:14pm

re: #151 Kragar

The fact that there are 1500+ up votes for the first post is quite frightening and begs the question: don’t conservatives have jobs?

160 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:48:30pm

re: #157 Kragar

That rash on their asses? Gay marriage. Kids running amok? Gay marriage. Their lack of joy, empathy and sense of humor? Gay marriage.

Thanks Obama.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:48:35pm

re: #154 Gus

[Embedded content]

Let me guess…Bishop Paprocki?

163 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:50:11pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let me guess…Bishop Paprocki?

America Needs Fatima
Robert Ritchie, the group’s executive director…

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:50:35pm
165 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:51:10pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

But they support the troops.
///

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #154 Gus

Conservative Catholic group links tornadoes in Illinois to state’s new gay marriage law

This has f*ck all to do with the Catholic intellectual tradition of Thomas Aquinas.

167 Kragar  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:52:44pm

re: #166 Sol Berdinowitz

This has f*ck all to do with the Catholic intellectual tradition of Thomas Aquinas.

That hippie?
/

168 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:53:36pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oklahoma drops National Guard benefits for ALL couples to avoid serving same-sex couples

This is like athiests ruining Christmas for Christians, gays are ruining benefits for straight people.

169 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:53:42pm

re: #162 Gus
I saw this earlier. Another idiot Dem. Yay.
Before my husband lost his good paying job in ‘08, we spent a week in Hawaii. Saw lots of homeless people in the parks, but you know what? Not a single one of those people bothered anyone. We walked through the park and besides a casual greeting from some people, no one said anything to us. Yeah, what a big man this guy is, picking on people with no power.

Another thing that made me sad about that article was the 100K the state put aside to fly homeless people out of the state. No, let’s not spend money to help people, nah, that wouldn’t be “Christian”. Gah.

170 Dr. Matt  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:53:58pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oklahoma drops National Guard benefits for ALL couples to avoid serving same-sex couples t.co
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) November 19, 2013

Conservatives continue to find new ways to be assholes.

171 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:54:32pm

re: #162 Gus

Sounds like a perfect candidate to headline the next Values Voters Summit.

172 Gus  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 1:55:27pm
173 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 2:07:55pm

re: #158 Gus

I rather go to bed when that happens. Bed. Couch. Something.

Yeah, it was too early for that this morning when I wrote to the woman who runs a little local new website. She published a column from a libertarian that was out and out racist. I shoulda skipped the letter and just quit going there. Here’s her reply (in part):

I often publish things I do not agree with, in the editorial section and in the
columns. And all columns have the opinions of the columnist, not necessarily that of
the publication.

If you want one point of view, pick a publication that has only one point of view. I
don’t want to be that publication and you, as a thinking person, don’t want that
either, I believe.

I publish things to make people think! When I cover a meeting, I report facts, and
try to fairly cover all the salient ones, whether I agree with them or not. It’s not
my place to tell YOU or any reader what to think, but just to give you fodder from
which you may draw your own conclusions. If you don’t agree with this column, it is
your right, and I hope we have forever the right to think for ourselves.

174 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 2:32:56pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

At some point someone’s going to take this to the supreme court. I’d like to think it’ll be Loving v Virginia redux. The fact that it’s only probable, not certain, saddens me.

175 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 19, 2013 5:11:27pm

re: #95 dog philosopher

BREAKING NEWS

Mayor Rob Ford:

‘I’m not perfect’

on the other hand he is the most prominent crack-smoking mayor in the entire northern hemisphere

Finally knocking Marion Barry out of the title!!! USA USA!!! Er wait..


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