Rep. Trey Radel Pleads Guilty to Cocaine Charge

Does the classy thing.
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WASHINGTON — Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., pleaded guilty Wednesday to possession of cocaine and was sentenced to one year of supervised probation.

“I’ve hit a bottom where I realize I need help. And I have aggressively pursued that help,” Radel said, as he admitted in District of Columbia Superior Court that he purchased 3.5 grams of cocaine.

More: Rep. Trey Radel Pleads Guilty to Cocaine Charge

I will say this for him, it’s probably the best handling of a situation like this that I’ve seen. No weaseling, no “the B# set up me”, just admitting that he has a problem, take a plea, and then move on.

Radel was caught buying drugs Oct. 29 from an undercover police officer, according to a statement filed in court by prosecutors and signed by him. The statement explains that agents investigating cocaine trafficking in Washington learned from an informant that Radel “had on several occasions purchased, possessed, and used cocaine.” After he was caught, Radel invited federal agents to his apartment where he turned over a vial of cocaine he had there.

This is a guy with a serious problem, and having fought my own inner demons I can only wish him the best. From what I’ve read at other sources, his behavior wasn’t unknown to both the authorities and the press had gotten wind of it also. It was only going to be a matter of time before it broke one way or another.

As an aside, he represents the part of Florida that my dad has moved to. Love my Pops, 85 years old, still checking out the ladies, and more liberal than I am. I’m just afraid that he’s going to get mixed up with some young 65 Y/O hussy and spend all my inheritance :)

RBS

UPDATE at 11/20/13 6:01:22 pm

Congressman Busted for Cocaine to Hold 10:30pm ET Press Conference

Rep. Trey Radel (R-FL), who pleaded guilty to possession of cocaine on Wednesday, will hold a press conference at 10:30pm ET tonight at�his Cape Coral office.

House Speaker John Boehner’s office (R-OH) is not expected to call for his resignation or any further disciplinary action.

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419 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 5:39:49pm

One year of supervised probation.

I wonder what kind of sentence a typical non-white, non-privileged cocaine user might expect under our crazy drug laws.

Thank goodness he wasn’t caught with 3.5 grams of CRACK.

/yes, that’s sarcasm

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 5:59:53pm
3 nines09  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:03:38pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

All you have to be is a nobody. Then they throw you against the wall. Repeatedly. Drugs laws are for us. Not them. I guess he was drunk. “I was drunk!” Oh. Ok. Your judgment was impaired. Now stop that. Go home and think about it. I have to run this young punk down town. He was holding. Less than you. He’s not going to make bail. Punk.

4 EmmaAnne  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:06:49pm

re: #3 nines09

All you have to be is a nobody. Then they throw you against the wall. Repeatedly. Drugs laws are for us. Not them. I guess he was drunk. “I was drunk!” Oh. Ok. Your judgment was impaired. Now stop that. Go home and think about it. I have to run this young punk down town. He was holding. Less than you. He’s not going to make bail. Punk.

Yep. As The Onion put it:

theonion.com

5 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:08:16pm

Trey buys the 8 ball. Very thrifty.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:16:32pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Trey buys the 8 ball. Very thrifty.

This is a guy who’s been buying cocaine for a while.

Thank goodness he stayed away from CRACK.

7 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:18:00pm

This is such bullshit. Not only for what Charles mentioned, but the pure hypocrisy for him wanting people drug tested for welfare and/or food stamps. He should be dumped just for being a two faced asswipe because you know damn well he was using when he made some of those statements. He doesn’t deserve to get off so easy politically and the Republicans should do something about it. But, they won’t.

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:22:53pm
9 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:22:55pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

This is a guy who’s been buying cocaine for a while.

Thank goodness he stayed away from CRACK.

Heavens forbid! If he’d been using crack instead of powder he might have ended up as the mayor of Toronto!


/Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

10 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:25:19pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Heavens forbid! If he’d been using crack instead of powder he might have ended up as the mayor of Toronto!

/Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Hey, maybe he still has a chance to be president of the USofA!

///

11 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:25:23pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Heavens forbid! If he’d been using crack instead of powder he might have ended up as the mayor of Toronto!

/Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

CRACK IS WACK!

/

12 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:27:36pm

An official request for an ethics committee investigation of Weiner was made (by his party’s majority leader, Pelosi) the day after he admitted to the crotch shot (after a week of denial). Less than ten days later he announced his intent to resign, and two weeks after that he was an ex-congressman.

Boehner implied he has no intention of doing the same to Radel.

IOKIYAR.

13 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:30:36pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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You do know that though they’re the same thing pharmacologically, they’re different in the eyes of the law, right?

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:31:01pm

This is the kind of obviously unjust shit that makes me want to weep bitter tears.

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:32:04pm

re: #13 kirkspencer

Indeed I do. Smoke it, go to jail for a long, long, time. Have the money to buy the snortable version, get a slap on the wrist.

16 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:34:44pm

I’m all for drug testing all elected officials, RANDOMLY, daily.

17 jaunte  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:34:48pm
On Oct. 29, Radel met an acquaintance and an undercover police officer at a restaurant in Dupont Circle. Radel told both people that he had cocaine at his apartment, and invited both of them over to do some.
talkingpointsmemo.com

Who says drugs affect one’s judgement?

18 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:37:23pm
House Speaker John Boehner’s office (R-OH) is not expected to call for his resignation or any further disciplinary action.

However… if he was a Democrat….

19 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:40:45pm

re: #13 kirkspencer

You do know that though they’re the same thing pharmacologically, they’re different in the eyes of the law, right?

As clear as black and white.

/

20 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:42:55pm

Florida Man finally beats a rap.

21 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:43:42pm

re: #18 William of Orange

However… if he was a Democrat….

A Democrat would probably survive this, too. On the scale of Congressional misbehavior snorting cocaine is fairly low. A congressman is at greater risk of losing his seat if he cheats on his wife and gets caught, frankly.

It also that unlike Mayor Ford, congressman Radel admitted to the wrongdoing he had done with a minimum of fuss, helped along by the fact that his initial arrest did not make the news. Thus any scandal died before it could get going.

22 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:48:14pm

Our politicians are boring. Unlike those up in Canada. They get all the fun. *pout*

23 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:49:06pm

re: #22 GlutenFreeJesus

Our politicians are boring. Unlike those up in Canada. They get all the fun. *pout*

From what I’ve heard, I don’t think that Rob Ford qualifies as “fun”.

/

24 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:51:26pm

Asshole who like to rape old ladies gets wasted by a woman he victimized:

A woman shot and killed a man early Thursday morning after he forced his way into her Kansas City home and sexually assaulted her.

The woman heard a knock at her door and when she went to answer it a young man asked for a person who did not live there. Apparently the woman told him that he had the wrong house, but he then forced his way inside, the Kansas City Star reports.

Once inside, the man, who was later identified as 24-year-old Paul J. Williams, forced the woman to her bedroom and sexually assaulted her.

Following the assault, Williams went towards the kitchen and that’s when the woman, who is in her late 60s but has not been identified by name, grabbed her revolver.

According to the woman, Williams started to come towards her again, so she shot him once and he immediately collapsed. A neighbor heard the gunshot then saw the woman walk out of her home, asking for help.

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

25 missliberties  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:53:36pm

He/we could use this as an opportunity to educate the public on the serious problem in our society as it relates to addiction.

I am willing to grant some slack to him, if he talks openly about getting help and reverses course on testing the poor folks.

26 calochortus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:57:16pm

re: #25 missliberties

He/we could use this as an opportunity to educate the public on the serious problem in our society as it relates to addiction.

I am willing to grant some slack to him, if he talks openly about getting help and reverses course on testing the poor folks.

He could, but what are the odds?

27 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:57:31pm

re: #25 missliberties

He/we could use this as an opportunity to educate the public on the serious problem in our society as it relates to addiction.

I am willing to grant some slack to him, if he talks openly about getting help and reverses course on testing the poor folks.

I’d give him a couple weeks then ask him again about drug testing. Let him get centered after this, but don’t let him forget.

28 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:57:48pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

A Democrat would probably survive this, too. On the scale of Congressional misbehavior snorting cocaine is fairly low. A congressman is at greater risk of losing his seat if he cheats on his wife and gets caught, frankly.

It also that unlike Mayor Ford, congressman Radel admitted to the wrongdoing he had done with a minimum of fuss, helped along by the fact that his initial arrest did not make the news. Thus any scandal died before it could get going.

Are you willing to forgive his previous stance on drugs and food stamps?

That is a big political mistake. This is not going to go away as you might expect due to the nature of him making a political stance and then breaking it with his own actions. It really makes him the fool.

29 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:58:46pm

re: #26 calochortus

He could, but what are the odds?

It depends on who he is. Is he an honorable man or a DERPer? We need to wait and see.

30 calochortus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:00:56pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

It depends on who he is. Is he an honorable man or a DERPer? We need to wait and see.

Based on his record, I won’t be holding my breath.

31 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:02:02pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

It depends on who he is. Is he an honorable man or a DERPer? We need to wait and see.

If he were an honorable man, he’d resign and become a truck driver. Wait…a CDL requires drug testing. Never mind.

32 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:02:49pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

It depends on who he is. Is he an honorable man or a DERPer? We need to wait and see.

You forgot door #3 “completely cynical and fully aware that drug testing welfare recipients is just a giant cash outlay to private testing companies, as seen in Florida, and will produce very llttle in the way of results.”

33 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:05:13pm

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

You forgot door #3 “completely cynical and fully aware that drug testing welfare recipients is just a giant cash outlay to private testing companies, as seen in Florida, and will produce very llttle in the way of results.”

That would be covered under “DERPer”. The correct option 3 is actually “Ron Paul”.

34 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:08:49pm

re: #30 calochortus

Based on his record, I won’t be holding my breath.

Exactly.

May this be one of those straw and camel back things?

Tea Party dude too. Will the Tea Party continue to back him?

35 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:10:11pm

I think I may have found the worst website on the internet

returnofkings.com

36 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:10:18pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Exactly.

May this be one of those straw and camel back things?

Tea Party dude too. Will the Tea Party continue to back him?

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

/

37 calochortus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:10:39pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Probably-after all he paid for the cocaine with his own hard-earned money, so he’s not a ‘taker’ like those poor people.

38 dr. klys  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:13:15pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

A Democrat would probably survive this, too. On the scale of Congressional misbehavior snorting cocaine is fairly low. A congressman is at greater risk of losing his seat if he cheats on his wife and gets caught, frankly.

It also that unlike Mayor Ford, congressman Radel admitted to the wrongdoing he had done with a minimum of fuss, helped along by the fact that his initial arrest did not make the news. Thus any scandal died before it could get going.

What does it say that Congresspeople doing drugs is less problematic than cheating on their wives?

I can tell you which one *I* would be more concerned about having a real, tangible impact on their ability to do the job.

He should resign. Period. I would say this if he were a Democrat. He clearly needs to take the time to deal with his own problems and the distraction of Congress will not help during that time.

39 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:13:28pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

I think I may have found the worst website on the internet

returnofkings.com

oops work filter labelled that as a sex site and now a record will show up in hr

please nsfw warnings next time!

40 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:14:49pm

re: #37 calochortus

Probably-after all he paid for the cocaine with his own hard-earned money, so he’s not a ‘taker’ like those poor people.

Damn, I forgot all about that aspect.

The self-made drug user versus the one taking food stamp money and running out and buying some on the street corner from the congressman’s dealer.

41 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:15:10pm

re: #39 dog philosopher

eh? nothing nsfw from the link far as i can see

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:16:49pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Does the Pope shit in the woods?

/

There’s a 13th-century bull that addresses that question.

43 calochortus  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:17:13pm

re: #40 ObserverArt

Damn, I forgot all about that aspect.

The self-made drug user versus the one taking food stamp money and running out and buying some on the street corner from the congressman’s dealer.

Totally different law breaking….

44 Stanley Sea  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:18:09pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

I think I may have found the worst website on the internet

returnofkings.com

yep.

45 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:19:24pm
“The agents learned that the defendant would purchase cocaine for his personal use and also, on occasion, share it with others.”

I’d be kind of curious to know who the “others” are.

Radel doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who pals around with lefties during his down time. Maybe there’s a big ol’ tea party snort-a-thon going on in the District of Colombia, knowwhutImean?

46 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:20:41pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

eh? nothing nsfw from the link far as i can see

well i guess so i checked it on my iphone

thank god when hr checks it out it will only be sick and immoral and not show any boobs or pubic hair

47 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:21:08pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea

yep.

Any site that has a post titled “24 signs she’s a slut” may safely be considered part of the misogynist “manosphere”.

48 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:22:10pm

re: #46 dog philosopher

well i guess so i checked it on my iphone

thank god when hr checks it out it will only be sick and immoral and not show any boobs or pubic hair

Been there done that, ended up with a 5 day no pay suspension for a bad taste cartoon sent by a friend.

49 dog philosopher  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:24:54pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Been there done that, ended up with a 5 day no pay suspension for a bad taste cartoon sent by a friend.

ugh excuse me while i go have an anxiety attack

50 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:28:22pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

One year of supervised probation.

I wonder what kind of sentence a typical non-white, non-privileged cocaine user might expect under our crazy drug laws.

Thank goodness he wasn’t caught with 3.5 grams of CRACK.

/yes, that’s sarcasm

What was the sentence Rush Limbaugh received for having thousands of Oxycontin pills he obtained illegally through doctor shopping?

None, you say? You know, you’re exactly right.

51 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:30:40pm

re: #49 dog philosopher

ugh excuse me while i go have an anxiety attack

You should be fine. Spew hateful insults online and you’re fine, but God help you if someone at work finds naked pictures of you on the Net.

52 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:31:24pm

Hey everyone! Fox’s great economic mind Neil Cavuto is asking a SERIOUS question about McDonalds tonight:

53 jaunte  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:34:29pm

re: #52 bratwurst

Formed Pork In The News!

54 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:35:07pm

re: #52 bratwurst

Hey everyone! Fox’s great economic mind Neil Cavuto is asking a SERIOUS question about McDonalds tonight:

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Sad commentary on our culture that the annual reemergence of faux meat is treated as a cause for celebration and unchecked consumption.

55 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:38:18pm

re: #52 bratwurst

Hey everyone! Fox’s great economic mind Neil Cavuto is asking a SERIOUS question about McDonalds tonight:

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Never in a hundred billion years would I think to use the words “lucky” and “McRib” in the same sentence.

56 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:39:32pm

re: #53 jaunte

Formed Pork In The News!

Are you sure?

/ heh.

57 jaunte  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:40:24pm

McPigoon.*

* amazon.com

58 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:41:04pm

Why is dangerous/unhealthy food (fast food big gulp soda) not regarded like dangerous sex (unprotected) or action sports (wingliding) ?

Consenting adults etc etc.

59 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:42:46pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Indeed I do. Smoke it, go to jail for a long, long, time. Have the money to buy the snortable version, get a slap on the wrist.

Yeah, but it’s “Those People” who buy CRACK.

Powder cocaine is so much more chic!

Oh, and I loved his excuse that his alcoholism led to his cocaine purchase.

(What? That makes it more acceptable? Why not stick to single-malt Scotch, Congressman? Many a rich alcoholic does just that. Cocaine addicts buy eight-balls of cocaine. Unless they are just entertaining a high end party with K Street lobbyists. Heh.)

In any case he was a former TV news anchor. Color me shocked (Shocked!!).

60 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:43:15pm
61 jaunte  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:44:18pm
62 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:45:02pm

re: #53 jaunte

Formed Pork In The News!

re: #54 Targetpractice

Sad commentary on our culture that the annual reemergence of faux meat is treated as a cause for celebration and unchecked consumption.

re: #55 BongCrodny

Never in a hundred billion years would I think to use the words “lucky” and “McRib” in the same sentence.

In a way I suppose you have to take you hat off to McDonald’s that they are not only able to sell a truly WRETCHED product like this (being significantly more unwholesome than their other offerings), they are able to make it into an annual event!

63 AlexRogan  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:48:06pm

re: #61 jaunte

Just as @TreyRadel is questioned about voting to drug test food stamp recipients, he conveniently ends his press conference. #FL19

— Russell Schaffer (@RussOnPolitics) November 21, 2013

Funny, that.

64 jaunte  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:49:21pm

re: #63 AlexRogan

What’s with these “sorry I got caught” press conferences?

65 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:50:16pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

A congressman is at greater risk of losing his seat if he cheats on his wife and gets caught, frankly.

Sen. David Vitter would like a word with you.

66 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:52:06pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s a 13th-century bull that addresses that question.

It was all a misunderstanding. It’s actually the Papal bull who shits in the woods.

67 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:52:20pm

re: #65 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sen. David Vitter would like a word with you.

I am speaking in generalities.

68 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:54:03pm

The Abominable Snowden.

69 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:54:23pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

A Democrat would probably survive this, too. On the scale of Congressional misbehavior snorting cocaine is fairly low. A congressman is at greater risk of losing his seat if he cheats on his wife and gets caught, frankly.

re: #65 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sen. David Vitter would like a word with you.

…and Mark Sanford.

Excuse me, my bad: Sanford was rewarded with a Congressional seat for cheating on his wife.

70 teleskiguy  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:54:26pm

Way OT, and probably inconsequential to most of Lizardom, but I have to share a couple of my tweets about Lindsey Vonn, who’s comeback to big-time downhill ski racing is in jeopardy after a crash yesterday while training.


Ms. Kildow (that’s her maiden name, she won’t shed her ex-husband’s surname because “Vonn” sounds more marketable) has turned into quite the media whore in the last couple of years, and the whole Tiger thing has exacerbated that. As proof of her completely selling out, here’s the one tweet she sent out today to all her well-wishers on Twitter.


Instead of directly addressing the skiing community (which came out in overwhelming support for her on Twitter) she addresses a person who could increase her profile. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the woman. I used to think she was so rad as a skier.

I wish her well, and hope she can recover and ski again. I don’t really feel sorry for her. Frankly, I don’t think her head is in the game like it used to be ever since she crashed hard last February and started dating a serial philanderer.

71 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 7:59:14pm

I just created my first page! Be gentle, lizards:

littlegreenfootballs.com

72 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:00:50pm

re: #71 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I just created my first page! Be gentle, lizards:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Could use a comma between “John Fullbright” and “Satan,” but I’m being picky. :-)

73 dr. klys  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:02:22pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

I have no disagreement with this except for the part where you refer to her by her “maiden” name.

She made the decision to keep the name Vonn, whatever her reasons were. Perhaps marketing. Perhaps some name recognition concerns also played a role. I know other women who have done the same. It’s their choice.

I don’t know if I’m getting my point across terribly well but I guess what I’m trying to say is that for all the stupid shit she may or may not do, criticizing her decision to keep the name and disrespecting that by calling her by what you think her name should be…

74 teleskiguy  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:05:38pm

re: #73 klys

I have no disagreement with this except for the part where you refer to her by her “maiden” name.

She made the decision to keep the name Vonn, whatever her reasons were. Perhaps marketing. Perhaps some name recognition concerns also played a role. I know other women who have done the same. It’s their choice.

I don’t know if I’m getting my point across terribly well but I guess what I’m trying to say is that for all the stupid shit she may or may not do, criticizing her decision to keep the name and disrespecting that by calling her by what you think her name should be…

That’s a fair point.

Now that I think about it, Demi Moore, Tina Turner, those aren’t their maiden names!

75 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:05:43pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I speaking in generalities.

Then name one congressman that has left office because of cheating, and speak in specifics.

I’d think breaking the actual law would be something that should be a little higher on the “get drummed out of congress” scale.

77 teleskiguy  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:17:52pm

re: #76 jaunte

Creationist ‘Think Tank’ Declares Defeat in Texas Textbook Battle — Days Before the State Board Even Votes

This is good news. Strike a victory for the good guys!

78 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:25:14pm

Oy, reading a fun little history of the times surrounding “1215: The Year Of The Magna Carta”. Talking about the economic changes in that era, the mention that “modern” manors, due to an inflation crisis, needed a whole army of professional auditors, treasurers, etc, and just at that time there was a new school of business administration…

At Oxford.

;)

Never thought of it that way before but, yeah, (given the era, in french ;) : Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

79 Lidane  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:29:18pm
80 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:34:09pm

re: #79 Lidane

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You can always tell who’ auditioning for FOX News.

81 teleskiguy  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:34:30pm
82 Kragar  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:36:36pm

Trey Radel shows how bad off and persecuted rich white males have it in the US today.
/

83 Lidane  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 8:53:30pm

Ron Burgundy Sings Loverboy For Rob Ford On CONAN

Youtube Video

84 Kragar  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:02:17pm
85 freetoken  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:07:33pm
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“Tide Palin goes in, tidePalin goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.”

86 freetoken  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:12:01pm

Island comes out of the sea… you can’t ‘splain that:

Japan reports volcano raises island in seas far south of Tokyo

In this Wednesday, Nov. 20, 2013 photo released by Japan Coast Guard, smoke billows from a new island off the coast of Nishinoshima, seen left above, a small, uninhabited island in the Ogasawara chain, far south of Tokyo. The Japan Coast Guard and earthquake experts said a volcanic eruption has raised the new island in the seas to the far south of Tokyo.

87 jvic  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:23:11pm

re: #38 klys

He should resign. Period. I would say this if he were a Democrat. He clearly needs to take the time to deal with his own problems and the distraction of Congress will not help during that time.

I’m inclined to agree though, like others, I would eventually excuse him if he straightens out and changes his stance wrt the War on Drugs Underprivileged Drug Users.

He should definitely resign, or be recalled, if he drinks or uses again.

(Wilbur Mills, the head of the House Ways and Means Committee, resigned after he was caught cheating on his wife and drunk. My impression is that he gradually recovered his reputation within the Beltway by being a resource for government types with alcohol problems.)

88 Kragar  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:35:50pm

Methodist minister ‘convicted’ of performing gay marriage has 30 days to ‘repent’ or be defrocked

Screw you, I’ll make my own church! With hookers and black jack!

89 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:41:39pm

re: #86 freetoken

Island comes out of the sea… you can’t ‘splain that:

Japan reports volcano raises island in seas far south of Tokyo

Magnets.

90 teleskiguy  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:04:00pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

If I may add to my own comment, this whole thing really kind of mirrors what Hunter S. Thompson wrote about in his 1970 essay “The Temptations of Jean-Claude Killy.”

From Wikipedia:

Through it all, Killy’s focus on his own enormous profit is a source of worry to Thompson. The trend he sees developing is one of larger-than-life stars—athletes of the highest physical standards who have achieved feats unimaginable by normal people—demeaning themselves and their accomplishments by agreeing to shill for a few extra dollars. An enormous sports fan himself, Thompson is distraught by this turn of events and wonders that Killy was never quite sure “why I was embarrassed for him in those scenes.”

91 freetoken  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:24:16pm

MP3 Audio

92 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:48:51pm

Not sure if this has been posted.

State Rep. Sledgehammers Homeless People’s Possessions While Wearing An Armani Hat!

Five-term Hawaiian Representative Tom Brower (D-WTF?) has waged his own war on the homeless in his state. He has taken the streets with a sledgehammer in search for homeless people in hopes to destroy any possession they may have. Brower says he’s “disgusted” with homeless people in his state and informed the Honolulu Star-Advertiser about his own ideology in enforcing “justice.”

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Classy…

Need I /

93 Kragar  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:50:55pm

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

Not sure if this has been posted.

State Rep. Sledgehammers Homeless People’s Possessions While Wearing An Armani Hat!

Five-term Hawaiian Representative Tom Brower (D-WTF?) has waged his own war on the homeless in his state. He has taken the streets with a sledgehammer in search for homeless people in hopes to destroy any possession they may have. Brower says he’s “disgusted” with homeless people in his state and informed the Honolulu Star-Advertiser about his own ideology in enforcing “justice.”

More

Classy…

Need I /

Asshole needs to be arrested for vandalism and destruction of private property. Just because they’re homeless doesn’t mean they don’t have rights.

94 piratedan  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:59:00pm

nice to know that IOKIYAR is still in effect, and DF, in general Republican office holders don’t pay the penalty for their misdeeds. The last one I can remember acting honorably after getting caught, I believe was Rep Lee, out of NY who got busted trolling for pussy online. Ensign, they had to threaten to expel him from the Senate for his misdeeds before he resigned (although his bagman Coburn remained unscathed, sanctimonious prick he remains).

High profile Dems who get nailed, Weiner, who’s transgression was a selfie and some braggadocio, resigned, Spitzer, resigned, Edwards, shamed out of public life.

Vitter, another family values man, re-elected (nothing like a hypocritical slut shaming family values Republican), Sanford, elected to a federal office after using taxpayer dollars and time to visit his mistress on another fucking continent.

So the next time you want to trot out “generally” speaking about the morals and ethical values of Republican office holders, look at who speaks for them over the airwaves, look at the legislation that they pass to take money and food away from the poor and look at the behavior while they’re in office, with scandal after scandal and who they cater to and who they screw over and just stop yourself next time.

95 piratedan  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:00:25pm

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

Not sure if this has been posted.

State Rep. Sledgehammers Homeless People’s Possessions While Wearing An Armani Hat!

Five-term Hawaiian Representative Tom Brower (D-WTF?) has waged his own war on the homeless in his state. He has taken the streets with a sledgehammer in search for homeless people in hopes to destroy any possession they may have. Brower says he’s “disgusted” with homeless people in his state and informed the Honolulu Star-Advertiser about his own ideology in enforcing “justice.”

More

Classy…

Need I /

there’s a guy that needs to be primaried so he can find his true calling in social work…. asshole

96 The War TARDIS  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:03:19pm

Apparently, the Day of the Doctor special may have more than the 3 announced Doctors. Also….

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

This man needs to rot in fucking hell.

97 austin_blue  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:07:43pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Way OT, and probably inconsequential to most of Lizardom, but I have to share a couple of my tweets about Lindsey Vonn, who’s comeback to big-time downhill ski racing is in jeopardy after a crash yesterday while training.

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Instead of directly addressing the skiing community (which came out in overwhelming support for her on Twitter) she addresses a person who could increase her profile. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the woman. I used to think she was so rad as a skier.

I wish her well, and hope she can recover and ski again. I don’t really feel sorry for her. Frankly, I don’t think her head is in the game like it used to be ever since she crashed hard last February and started dating a serial philanderer.

Then again, she might know him personally. Why are you so front-loaded to take offense? Because she is dating Tiger Woods? Really?

I generally mistrust blog stalkers, and this post seems to be indicative of an individual who has an agenda. Is this really important in the grand scheme of things? Is it an appropriate post on this Board?

98 freetoken  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:08:35pm

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

Nasty website, that, as far as treating Chrome browser.

Anyway:

Hawaii state Rep. Tom Brower ends homeless shopping cart destruction campaign

99 sagehen  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:15:12pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Way OT, and probably inconsequential to most of Lizardom, but I have to share a couple of my tweets about Lindsey Vonn, who’s comeback to big-time downhill ski racing is in jeopardy after a crash yesterday while training.

[Embedded content]


Instead of directly addressing the skiing community (which came out in overwhelming support for her on Twitter) she addresses a person who could increase her profile. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the woman. I used to think she was so rad as a skier.

I wish her well, and hope she can recover and ski again. I don’t really feel sorry for her. Frankly, I don’t think her head is in the game like it used to be ever since she crashed hard last February and started dating a serial philanderer.

I also find her romance with Tiger sort of skeezy, in that she looks like a clone of his ex-wife. (all of Lance Armstrong’s romances are similarly skeezy — it’s like he had a sketch artist draw up the girl he wanted, then went looking for her… and found her five times.)

I’d be uncomfortable dating a man who I thought chose me for how much I remind him of The One That Got Away.

100 The War TARDIS  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:21:35pm

re: #96 The War TARDIS

Reports are that Tom Baker may be in the 50th in some form. Possibly involving CGI.

101 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:30:15pm

AS usual, I haven’t been paying attention to subjects outside my specific area of concern. WTF is this?

This means that Fast Track, which first began under Nixon in 1974, was not only a usurpation of the U.S. Congress’ constitutional authority “to regulate commerce with foreign nations (Article I-8).” It also gave the executive branch — which is generally much less accountable to public pressure than is the Congress — a means of negating and pre-empting important legislation by our elected representatives. Laws to protect the environment, food safety, consumers (from monopoly pricing), and other public interest concerns can now be traded away in “trade” negotiations. And U.S. law must be made to conform to the treaty.

How ironic that this massive transfer of power to special-interests such as our giant pharmaceutical or financial corporations has been sold to the press as a means of holding “special interest” groups — who might oppose tariff reductions that harm them but are good for everyone else — in check.

But the TPP and its promoters are full to the brim with ironies. It is quite amazing a treaty like the TPP can still be promoted as a “free trade” agreement when its most economically important provisions are the exact opposite of “free trade” — the expansion of protectionism.

102 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 11:44:18pm

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

Not sure if this has been posted.

State Rep. Sledgehammers Homeless People’s Possessions While Wearing An Armani Hat!

More

Classy…

Need I /

Sorry to all who replied, I got distracted with family just after I posted.

I’d like to say that if this guy was from the right, I wouldn’t be surprised in fact I would expect it.

When its done from the left, I’m appalled because I expect better.

103 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:04:26am

re: #102 Usually refered to as anyways

FTA

Brower claims that since he began this new campaign, he has destroyed an estimated 30 shopping carts with a sledgehammer in the last two weeks -

Now that he’s publicly admitted it, the actual ‘owner’ of those carts, the grocery or department stores, should have him arrested for willful and malicious destruction of property

104 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:08:31am

re: #103 sattv4u2

FTA

Brower claims that since he began this new campaign, he has destroyed an estimated 30 shopping carts with a sledgehammer in the last two weeks -

Now that he’s publicly admitted it, the actual ‘owner’ of those carts, the grocery or department stores, should have him arrested for willful and malicious destruction of property

Gday satttv4u2,
That would be hilarious…

How you doing, still working the long shifts, and enjoying your long drives home?

105 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:12:19am

re: #104 Usually refered to as anyways

Gday satttv4u2,
That would be hilarious…

How you doing, still working the long shifts, and enjoying your long drives home?

Yup. In the middle of a 14 hour overnight shift as we speak. 6-7 hours from now, I get to enjoy the long quiet drive home

106 freetoken  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:14:13am

MP3 Audio

107 freetoken  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:19:19am

Here’s one from the anti-war years, from Gene Marshall aka Gene Merlino:

MP3 Audio

108 freetoken  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:19:41am

I don’t know why, but somehow I think it still applies today.

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:21:25am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Asshole who like to rape old ladies gets wasted by a woman he victimized:

Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

NRA spin:

Supporting gun control = wanting to see more old ladies raped

110 freetoken  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:00:51am

Courtesy of obscure music collector Bob Purse, here is “Singing Sammy Marshall”:


MP3 Audio

111 theheat  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:07:02am

re: #92 Usually refered to as anyways

What an absolute prick, to go assert his well-fed, well-roofed, well-heeled, icky, physical self, over the most basic belongings and security the most vulnerable people of society have left. He’s simply terrorizing them like the worst kind of bully.

Just what the hell does he expect them to do - go set up camp at their much nicer “winter residence” because they’re unwanted where he is? These people have less than nothing and nowhere to go. It’s insulting and cruel.

He should be mocked endlessly for being a heartless, hateful, prick. I can only hope at sometime in his life he suffers the same fate. At the very least, hooks up with some golddigger that takes his creepy ass to the cleaners, so he can weep and wail about life being unfair.

112 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:07:38am

re: #105 sattv4u2

Yup. In the middle of a 14 hour overnight shift as we speak. 6-7 hours from now, I get to enjoy the long quiet drive home

I don’t envy you one bit, I’ve managed to work from home for almost 18 years now, which suits me well as I’m a hermit.

113 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:12:00am

re: #111 theheat

What an absolute prick, to go assert his well-fed, well-roofed, well-heeled, icky, physical self, over the most basic belongings and security the most vulnerable people of society have left. He’s simply terrorizing them like the worst kind of bully.

Just what the hell does he expect them to do - go set up camp at their much nicer “winter residence” because they’re unwanted where he is? These people have less than nothing and nowhere to go. It’s insulting and cruel.

He should be mocked endlessly for being a heartless, hateful, prick. I can only hope at sometime in his life he suffers the same fate. At the very least, hooks up with some golddigger that takes his creepy ass to the cleaners, so he can weep and wail about life being unfair.

If he was a republican he would be expect the homeless to get a loan from their parents.
He’s a democrat, that shits the fuck out of me, I have supported the left all my life.

114 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:14:35am

re: #111 theheat

There is an appeal for politicians who commit direct, symbolic and often brutally demonstrative acts in order to make some sort of ideological point and gain attention.

Like demanding drug testing for welfare/food stamp recipients.

The task of any responsible government is to keep this sort of short-sighted mentality from becoming policy.

115 freetoken  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:14:36am

Youtube Video

116 theheat  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:26:01am

re: #113 Usually refered to as anyways

Yes, it seems such inherently GOP/Bootstraps! behavior, and yet it’s not. I think I have a hate on worse for this guy because I would’ve expected better of a Dem. Just goes to show you there’s assholes of every flavor. Regardless, they should all be treated with contempt.

If I lived in Hawaii I’d sic my [golddigger] sister on him. The beauty is, she’s so damned good at it, he’d never see it coming. Oh, how delicious that would be.

117 theheat  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:30:04am

re: #114 Sol Berdinowitz

The hypocrisy of politicians has no bounds. Zero. Being caught red-handed doesn’t so much as slow them down. Like, ever. Things that would ruin the lives of others doesn’t apply.

118 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 2:51:42am

re: #111 theheat

What an absolute prick, to go assert his well-fed, well-roofed, well-heeled, icky, physical self, over the most basic belongings and security the most vulnerable people of society have left. He’s simply terrorizing them like the worst kind of bully.

Just what the hell does he expect them to do - go set up camp at their much nicer “winter residence” because they’re unwanted where he is? These people have less than nothing and nowhere to go. It’s insulting and cruel.

He should be mocked endlessly for being a heartless, hateful, prick. I can only hope at sometime in his life he suffers the same fate. At the very least, hooks up with some golddigger that takes his creepy ass to the cleaners, so he can weep and wail about life being unfair.

Mr. Brower is more concerned about the homeless spoiling the esthetic effect than the homeless themselves, even when he says one of his top issues is “homelessness”. Obviously, the poors are spoiling the views of the privileged. Maybe even camping out on “their” beaches.

capitol.hawaii.gov

119 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 3:24:55am

I don’t care if it is Bangladesh—who the hell can live on even $68/mo? An improvement, but westerners should be ashamed of demanding cheap clothes just because we can.

Bangladesh approves wage hike for garment factory workers

reuters.com

If you go out and spend $68 for a t-shirt, think about who is getting rich from this kind of activity. Just because it was made in China doesn’t make it any better, either. China pays approximately 8 times the wages in Bangladesh, but inflation has eroded workers buying power. Here’s an interesting article with charts showing wages in China and many other Asian countries.

clb.org.hk

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 3:30:10am

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

It is not just wages, it is the fact that they can compete on lax environmental and safety regulations. We are not doing anyone a favor by allowing them to compete on this basis, pricing our own workers out of a job and providing those nations no incentive for cleaning up their act.

121 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:04:02am

re: #120 Sol Berdinowitz

It is not just wages, it is the fact that they can compete on lax environmental and safety regulations. We are not doing anyone a favor by allowing them to compete on this basis, pricing our own workers out of a job and providing those nations no incentive for cleaning up their act.

Of course. Still, it is our own appetites (as the subject of the post shows) that drives this kind of market.

But volume can’t replace quality. I’m old enough to remember when clothes, shoes, etc. would last, were made from quality material and well constructed. I learned to sew as a teen and was an excellent tailor—made most of the clothes I wore to work and even sewed for others when I had time.

Now, “fashion” tends to control all of it. Ironically, hippies took the dungarees poor kids like me wore and dressed in protest against their parents’ increasingly affluent and corporate lifestyles. Then “jeans” became fodder for “designers” (some of whom actually rip and practically destroy them) and the iconic uniform we see today on just about everyone for casual wear. The same for the lowly tee shirt which was considered underwear back in the day, not an advertising medium.

I know I sound like an “old fogie” but really, when you look at some of the clothes around and how much they cost, it does make you wonder why people don’t dress better. It’s because “fashion” and money, not style, rules these days. Someone tells teens to wear ripped jeans and they follow like lemmings. Put someone in a nice outfit and they get laughed at. Go figure—rebellion gone corporate, I suppose, but when you see older people in the same clothes, it does beg the question.

122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:05:33am

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

I know I sound like an “old fogie” but really, when you look at some of the clothes around and how much they cost, it does make you wonder why people don’t dress better. It’s because “fashion” and money, not style, rules these days. Someone tells teens to wear ripped jeans and they follow like lemmings. Put someone in a nice outfit and they get laughed at. Go figure—rebellion gone corporate, I suppose, but when you see older people in the same clothes, it does beg the question.

This isn’t true. Fashion comes from the street, and the clothing companies just react to it, highly imperfectly. Basically, the clothing designers of the world are smart-ass 15 year old punk kids.

123 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:09:54am

re: #122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This isn’t true. Fashion comes from the street, and the clothing companies just react to it, highly imperfectly. Basically, the clothing designers of the world are smart-ass 15 year old punk kids.

Oh, please, do you allow 15 yr old punks to dress you?

124 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:17:31am

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

Oh, please, do you allow 15 yr old punks to dress you?

No. But the trends in jeans are recognizeable in the population before a designer comes up with it. It was random kids who came up with acid-washing, with distressing, with super-tightness, etc. Fashion designers (mostly) just copy what they see being created on the street. The ‘acid-washed’ look originally came from California surfers, who liked the way that jeans looked after they’d been worn in sand and surf for a few weeks, getting bleached and sanded.

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:21:58am

and we all know where the baggy look came from…

126 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:29:44am

It seems that pretty much every article on Teh Internets about McD and Walmart paying their workers shit wages, includes comments by libertarian dudebros all copying from the exact same script:

HURR HURR THEIR JUST LAZY WHY DONT THEY GET A BETTER JRRB???

HURR HURR I WORKED MY WAY THROUGH MEDICAL SCHOOL WORKING SIX JRRBS AT WALMART, MCD, DOMINO’S PIZZA, PICKING COTTON, TEH SALT MINES AND TEH NAVY SEALS DELTA FORCE!!!!11!!!!

I PINCHED MY PENNIES AND NOW I JUST PAID CASH ON THE BARREL HEAD FOR A BRAND NEW MERCEDES AND I LIVE IN A MALIBU MANSION WITH MY HOT GIRLFRIEND PARIS HILTON!!!!!!111!!!!1

HURR HURR BOOTSTRAPS!!!!1!!!1!!!!

127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:33:03am

re: #126 Learned Pie Of Zion

A reminder to everyone that ‘pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps’ used to be a phrase that means ‘something that literally can’t happen.’

128 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:33:11am

If you cannot make a decent living working full time, get another job. Your kids will just have to raise themselves…

129 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:34:38am

EPIC FAIL
They will probably have to load that aircraft onto the bed of a “wide load” truck and haul it to the next airport.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:40:47am
131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:48:15am

babee!!!

132 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:49:48am

re: #124 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

No. But the trends in jeans are recognizeable in the population before a designer comes up with it. It was random kids who came up with acid-washing, with distressing, with super-tightness, etc. Fashion designers (mostly) just copy what they see being created on the street. The ‘acid-washed’ look originally came from California surfers, who liked the way that jeans looked after they’d been worn in sand and surf for a few weeks, getting bleached and sanded.

So the story goes.

Actually, western movies popularized blue jeans in earlier years, along with actors like James Dean in the 50s. Otherwise, blue jeans would have remained the standard garment of the working people they were made for and considered “vulgar” for the middle class to wear.

133 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:54:39am

They must be desperate…

UNic to be the first university in the world to accept Bitcoin

unic.ac.cy

134 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:57:41am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

So the story goes.

Actually, western movies popularized blue jeans in earlier years, along with actors like James Dean in the 50s. Otherwise, blue jeans would have remained the standard garment of the working people they were made for and considered “vulgar” for the middle class to wear.

Not to mention footwear. I don’t think kids were sporting Air Jordans later “forcing” Nike to manufacture and market them

135 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 4:58:52am

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

Interestingly, I had to use my VPN to access that link. Maybe the mainland is blocking it for some reason.

136 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:00:39am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

babee!!!

[Embedded content]

You would need what ,, five or six of them for a full entree!!?!?!

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137 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:01:41am

re: #135 wheat-dogghazi

Interestingly, I had to use my VPN to access that link. Maybe the mainland is blocking it for some reason.

Ah yes, you’re in China. It can be googled here, which is how I found it.

138 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:02:42am

re: #132 Justanotherhuman

So the story goes.

Actually, western movies popularized blue jeans in earlier years, along with actors like James Dean in the 50s. Otherwise, blue jeans would have remained the standard garment of the working people they were made for and considered “vulgar” for the middle class to wear.

Yeah, I was talking about the acid-washed look, not about jeans themselves, which have been popular for a long time.

139 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:08:19am

We get adverts from Duluth Trading Co, a shop that pushes hard, manly clothes like firehose fabric jackets. They are running an ad with a big guy who squats uncomfortably, followed by one who squats and continues with a manly vocalization. Product line is ‘Ballroom’ jeans. Took me a second.

140 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:08:59am

Whatever happened to Kick The Can or Ring Around The Rosie or Hide and Seek??

philadelphia.cbslocal.com
Three “Knockout” Attacks Reported In Philadelphia Area

141 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:11:26am

Want to be first in line for those doorbuster specials on Black Friday? You may already be too late.

Campers have already been lining up outside some big box retailers, hoping to cash in on holiday bargains.

cleveland.cbslocal.com

I’m sure once the doors open it will be very orderly!!!

143 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:16:40am

re: #140 sattv4u2

Whatever happened to Kick The Can or Ring Around The Rosie or Hide and Seek??

philadelphia.cbslocal.com
Three “Knockout” Attacks Reported In Philadelphia Area

We did a ‘cooperative’ version in gradeschool, just pressing on each other’s carotid until the victim passed out. Nuns made it a short-term fad. I’d be watching the reporting on this one—it’s been used to start something like a moral panic with race/religious overtones..

144 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:17:23am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Ah yes, you’re in China. It can be googled here, which is how I found it.

I got it, no worries. I’m in one of the pale pink provinces, Hunan, in this map.
Map of China

That’s 1100-1200 yuan per month, somewhat below $200/month. COL here is also lower, but housing prices in the big cities are a bit out of reach for most workers, about 6000 yuan per square meter ($90 a square foot).

Guangdong is the wage powerhouse, not surprising considering it’s been the gateway to the outside world for almost two centuries. But the COL there is proportionately higher than in Hunan.

To make a long story short, a minimum wage worker in China can’t buy an house (actually an apartment) any more than a McD’s or Walmart worker in the USA can.

145 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:20:53am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

We did a ‘cooperative’ version in gradeschool, just pressing on each other’s carotid until the victim passed out. Nuns made it a short-term fad. I’d be watching the reporting on this one—it’s been used to start something like a moral panic with race/religious overtones..

Stories about them go back several years
en.wikipedia.org

from the headlines non of them attribute it to race/ religion

146 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:23:02am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Stories about them go back several years
en.wikipedia.org

from the headlines non of them attribute it to race/ religion

All over the RWNJ sites. It was also a bit of Ann Coulter’s “Black=AA=Teen” crap yesterday.

147 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:26:20am

re: #143 Decatur Deb
re: #145 sattv4u2

We did a ‘cooperative’ version in gradeschool, just pressing on each other’s carotid until the victim passed out. Nuns made it a short-term fad. I’d be watching the reporting on this one—it’s been used to start something like a moral panic with race/religious overtones..

So already happening.

148 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:26:35am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

We did a ‘cooperative’ version in gradeschool, just pressing on each other’s carotid until the victim passed out. Nuns made it a short-term fad. I’d be watching the reporting on this one—it’s been used to start something like a moral panic with race/religious overtones..

You must have been taught by some real sadists. : )

149 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:27:27am

re: #145 sattv4u2

Stories about them go back several years
en.wikipedia.org

from the headlines non of them attribute it to race/ religion

Thugs target N.Y. Jews in disturbing ‘Knockout’ game

washingtontimes.com

Don’t normally post links crazier than the Wash Times.

150 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:28:01am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

Thugs target N.Y. Jews in disturbing ‘Knockout’ game

washingtontimes.com

Don’t normally post links crazier than the Wash Times.

It was also on CBS.

151 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:29:34am

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

You must have been taught by some real sadists. : )

No, We were the sadists—the nuns squelched it in a day or so. (We also had a week or so of glue sniffing, back when model cement had the really good stuff—toluene.)

152 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:29:43am

re: #150 Learned Pie Of Zion

It was also on CBS.

The authorities need to nip that shit in the bud.

153 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:30:11am

Hey. If it’s happening, it’s happening!

NOT reporting it, no matter the perps or the target(s) would be irresponsible IF (as is being seen) it’s becoming more “common” (for lack of a better word)

154 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:30:49am

re: #152 Justanotherhuman

The authorities PARENTS need to nip that shit in the bud.

ftfy

155 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:31:40am

re: #150 Learned Pie Of Zion

It was also on CBS.

CSM (as usual) has a balanced story:

csmonitor.com

157 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:32:31am

OH LOOK AT TEH TWITTERS

158 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:33:03am

re: #154 sattv4u2

ftfy

The parent that’s in jail, or the one pulling holiday shifts at Walmart?

159 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:33:41am

re: #154 sattv4u2

ftfy

It’s not the parents who are out in the street.

And these are hate crimes as well. Someone needs to reprogram these kids, and sometimes parents aren’t the best ones to do it. We don’t live in an ideal world.

160 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:34:15am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

The parent that’s in jail, or the one pulling holiday shifts at Walmart?

Then perhaps HIS parents should have nipped that shit in the bud!

161 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:35:28am

re: #160 sattv4u2

Then perhaps HIS parents should have nipped that shit in the bud!

Bitch with the apple should never have listened to the snake.

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:35:48am

Israeli restaurant: Turn off phone, get discount

apnews.myway.com

heh ,,,, I’d frequent that restaurant. And not to get a discount. To have a meal without being privvy to ‘your’ phone calls!!

163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:35:55am

re: #149 Decatur Deb

It’d be awesome if we could get widespread reporting on how crime has dropped precipitously and how awesome that is, but instead, nope, scaremongering, normally of the ‘black teens are going to suddenly assault you’ variety.

164 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:38:04am

re: #163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’d be awesome if we could get widespread reporting on how crime has dropped precipitously and how awesome that is, but instead, nope, scaremongering, normally of the ‘black teens are going to suddenly assault you’ variety.

Doesn’t fit the narrative.

165 kerFuFFler  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:38:18am

re: #18 William of Orange

However… if he was a Democrat….

Tweet pictures of one’s junk——-sleazy but not illegal——— and one must resign from Congress. Use cocaine——-an actual crime———and when caught call it “a wake up call.” Seems like there are different standards for the GOP from those for everybody else.

166 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:38:58am

re: #165 kerFuFFler

Tweet pictures of one’s junk——-sleazy but not illegal——— and one must resign from Congress. Use cocaine——-an actual crime———and when caught call it “a wake up call.” Seems like there are different standards for the GOP from those for everybody else.

See; Vitter.

167 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:40:14am

re: #165 kerFuFFler

Tweet pictures of one’s junk——-sleazy but not illegal——— and one must resign from Congress. Use cocaine——-an actual crime———and when caught call it “a wake up call.” Seems like there are different standards for the GOP from those for everybody else.

It could be worse—Freepers want him replaced with Alan West.

168 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:45:02am

Transition from days to overnight shifts is catching up to me

run down ,, think I’m getting a cold

{grumble grumble}

169 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:46:06am

re: #168 sattv4u2

((and no relief in site,,, co-worker just went out on paternaty leave and another is on vacation nexxt week))

{DOUBLE grumble grumble}

170 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:46:11am

re: #168 sattv4u2

Transition from days to overnight shifts is catching up to me

run down ,, think I’m getting a cold

{grumble grumble}

Did you get a flu shot? Don’t want your viruses spread over the aether.

171 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:46:48am

Not really something we don’t already know. But who’s getting the care?

US spends significantly more per person on health care than other countries, but has lower life expectancy rates than its peers, new report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development says

oecd-ilibrary.org

172 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:48:21am
173 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:48:54am

re: #172 Learned Pie Of Zion

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Haha, says The Hack.

174 kerFuFFler  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:49:08am

re: #140 sattv4u2

Whatever happened to Kick The Can or Ring Around The Rosie or Hide and Seek??

philadelphia.cbslocal.com
Three “Knockout” Attacks Reported In Philadelphia Area

A few months ago a grad student here in Ithaca, NY was targeted and knocked out because of this “game”. He still suffers headaches and has difficulty concentrating. The student was from India, but the thugs did not bother to find out if he was Hindu, Muslim or some other religion. They did not care——-he was “other” enough. Sickening!

175 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:49:21am

re: #172 Learned Pie Of Zion

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Supporter of Iraq war says what???

176 b.d.  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:50:50am

re: #172 Learned Pie Of Zion

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Form Greenwald’s link:

At the same time, the survey, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds an 11-point jump in the belief that disclosures by Snowden, a former NSA contractor now holed up in Russia, have harmed U.S. security: Sixty percent say so, vs. 49 percent last summer.

177 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:50:54am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Did you get a flu shot? Don’t want your viruses spread over the aether.

Nope,,, never have

178 ericblair  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:51:29am

re: #129 Learned Pie Of Zion

EPIC FAIL
They will probably have to load that aircraft onto the bed of a “wide load” truck and haul it to the next airport.

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This has happened several times before. They’ll unload the aircraft, strip down anything inside that doesn’t absolutely need to be there, unload any excess fuel, cross their fingers and stomp on the gas. It will clear the runway with ten feet to spare, the assembled crowd will cheer, and somebody will get yelled at.

179 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:52:40am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Supporter of Iraq war says what???

GG, not Pie Maker.
;)

180 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:54:01am

re: #174 kerFuFFler

The game seems real enough—the question is how real in relation to the spread of its fame via news/blogosphere? Some grad student will work that out in a few years, when it’s forgotten.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:54:56am

re: #163 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’d be awesome if we could get widespread reporting on how crime has dropped precipitously and how awesome that is, but instead, nope, scaremongering, normally of the ‘black teens are going to suddenly assault you’ variety.

The media love crime stories, and they sensationalize them to sell their product. Widespread reporting about what is really going on would hurt sales, so it isn’t going to be done. And its not just the bosses, either: Reporters want to report that which will keep them employed and get them attention.

182 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:55:13am

DERP DERP

183 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:56:13am

re: #177 sattv4u2

Nope,,, never have

Neither did I for a couple decades after Pres Ford. Now the risk/benefit equation has changed.

184 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:57:53am

McDonald’s restaurant turns to opera to drive out loitering teenagers

telegraph.co.uk

Seems like an appropriate place to hear the fat lady sing!!!
/

185 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 5:59:38am

re: #182 Learned Pie Of Zion

DERP DERP

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Having a black president has further reduced my tolerance…for skinny blondes with ugly mouths.

186 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:00:43am

re: #165 kerFuFFler

Tweet pictures of one’s junk——-sleazy but not illegal——— and one must resign from Congress. Use cocaine——-an actual crime———and when caught call it “a wake up call.” Seems like there are different standards for the GOP from those for everybody else.

It depends on how it plays out and who is supporting you. Congressman Lee was a relative moderate from New York so when he got caught being sleezy online, John Boehner was able to simply chuck him out swiftly. Trey Radel, by contrast, has significant Tea Party support and Boehner doesn’t want another confrontation with those people right now. Letting it slide can certainly by called hypocritical, but Boehner can survive that kind of hypocrisy.

187 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:03:20am

re: #184 sattv4u2

>McDonald’s restaurant turns to opera to drive out loitering teenagers

telegraph.co.uk

Seems like an appropriate place to hear the fat lady sing!!!
/

Since they’re just playing the music, its a fully reasonable solution to their problem. Though if the kids were wise they’d listen to the music and broaden their horizons.

188 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:04:32am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Since they’re just playing the music, its a fully reasonable solution to their problem. Though if the kids were wise they’d listen to the music and broaden their horizons.

They’ll just hang with their droogs down at the milk bar.

189 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:04:42am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Since they’re just playing the music, its a fully reasonable solution to their problem. Though if the kids were wise they’d listen to the music and broaden their horizons.

Hey now, I love classical music, but even I can only take opera in very small doses. : )

190 darthstar  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:04:58am

Wow…an eight ball of cocaine is still $250? That’s what it cost in 1987!

191 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:06:05am

re: #189 Justanotherhuman

Hey now, I love classical music, but even I can only take opera in very small doses. : )

“Kill the Wabbit” is a favorite.

192 darthstar  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:07:14am

re: #191 Decatur Deb

“Kill the Wabbit” is a favorite.

The Wabbit of Seville - classic.

193 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:08:18am

re: #189 Justanotherhuman

Hey now, I love classical music, but even I can only take opera in very small doses. : )

That’s why they make Wagner albums with only instrumentals.

194 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:08:19am

re: #182 Learned Pie Of Zion

DERP DERP

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My opinion of Ann Coulter is quite hostile, but because I don’t think she is actually the kind of racist I’m referring to I needed to add a disclaimer.

(She’s actually an opportunist who caters to such racists, but making the distinction isn’t possible given the limitations of Twitter.)

195 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:11:47am

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

It’s a bit more than that IMO. It makes people afraid of each other and less trusting. That erodes whole communities. I know this, I’ve watched it happen in my own community. In 15 yrs, this place has changed, A LOT. People used to do stuff like potluck suppers at the library. The practice was stopped because of concerns of some horrible person(aka someone”new”) would bring poisoned food. I tried to bring the practice back and was told that it’s not allowed anymore in public buildings. Because people are scared shitless of one another, and the news and other factors are directly responsible for that. So who profits from that fear? Gun makers and dealers, megachurches (it’s not a coincidence that three of them have been built within 5 miles of my house in the last decade, along with a HUGE Christian K-12 school that costs 25K a yr to send a kid to), home security companies, etc.

We’ve become isolated from one another to an unhealthy degree. If we ever got over that and joined together over the REAL dangers to ourselves and families, the powerful would shit themselves in fear daily. They are not scared of us, we’re too scared of each other to be a threat to them.

196 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:13:03am

re: #191 Decatur Deb

“Kill the Wabbit” is a favorite.

Haha. Wagner in the 50s? I suppose that fits.

Youtube Video

197 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:14:33am

re: #162 sattv4u2

>Israeli restaurant: Turn off phone, get discount

apnews.myway.com

heh ,,,, I’d frequent that restaurant. And not to get a discount. To have a meal without being privvy to ‘your’ phone calls!!

There’s a diner in north Jersey that announced this policy a few weeks ago. It got a lot of press in the NY media.

Upon using teh Googlez, it appears that there are also places in Los Angeles and Lebanon doing the same thing.

I think it’s a pretty good idea.

198 darthstar  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:14:45am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

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My opinion of Ann Coulter is quite hostile, but because I don’t think she is actually the kind of racist I’m referring to I needed to add a disclaimer.

(She’s actually an opportunist who caters to such racists, but making the distinction isn’t possible given the limitations of Twitter.

She’s a professional racist. A racist for profit. That you can find any reason to defend her is impossible to comprehend.

199 darthstar  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:15:19am

Okay…time to go fetch the dogs from day care. Flight got in too late last night. BBL.

200 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:16:23am

re: #191 Decatur Deb

“Kill the Wabbit” is a favorite.

Youtube Video

201 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:16:46am

re: #195 A Mom Anon

That’s absolutely true. Best example is the ‘doctored’ Halloween treat. I loved many episodes of Law and Order, but the cumulative effect of hundreds of syndicated repeats each week had to corrode community trust. Our family was sensitive to it because we would have 2-3 year breaks from American TV on overseas tours.

202 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:17:15am

re: #197 makeitstop

There’s a diner in north Jersey that announced this policy a few weeks ago. It got a lot of press in the NY media.

Upon using teh Googlez, it appears that there are also places in Los Angeles and Lebanon doing the same thing.

I think it’s a pretty good idea.

I have noticed that people who have bluetooth conversations in public SHOUT AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS.

203 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:17:31am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Haha. Wagner in the 50s? I suppose that fits.

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Leopold!!!

204 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:19:00am

OK what should be this week’s pie?

Blueberry, cherry or lemon meringue?

205 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:19:02am

re: #182 Learned Pie Of Zion

DERP DERP

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Oh look, Skeletor is being cartoonishly villainous again. Is it Saturday already?

206 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:20:53am

re: #198 darthstar

I’m not defending Ann Coulter. But Twitter format makes it hard for me to give a proper explanation of what she does, so rather than post a series of Tweets that would be taken out of context I opted to leave her out of the line of fire this time.

207 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:21:01am

A mess on each and every level

orlandosentinel.com
George Zimmerman’s girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, has refused to appear on camera until she gets a paid national interview, WKMG-Channel 6 reported Wednesday night.

WKMG’s Erik Sandoval broke the story of Scheibe’s personal details about her relationship with Zimmerman in a report at 11 p.m. Tuesday.

“I did actually speak to her at noon today after our story aired last night at 11,” Sandoval said at 6 p.m. Wednesday. “She wants to make it absolutely clear. She says that she and her daughter did not set Zimmerman up for what happened on Monday at her home in Apopka.”

George Zimmerman left the Seminole County jail after posting bond on Tuesday, Nov. 19, 2013. (Video provided by FOX35)

Sheibe said it was coincidental that she was seeking a national interview and that on Monday she claimed he pointed a gun at her. He has been charged with aggravated assault, domestic-violence battery and criminal mischief in the incident.

Zimmerman’s attorney had no response to the WKMG story yet, Sandoval said.

208 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:21:18am

re: #195 A Mom Anon

People used to do stuff like potluck suppers at the library

Those were mostly stopped by the local gov’ts because unlike a commercial establishment where the kitchen is (supposedly) inspected regularly, they (the town or county) can’t inspect thereby have public control over the cooking facilities

You COULD do it at someones house (instead of a public place like the library)

Our subdivision does it twice a year

209 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:22:24am

re: #202 Learned Pie Of Zion

I have noticed that people who have bluetooth conversations in public SHOUT AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS.

That infuriates me. My wife and I have an explicit policy to leave the phones off while out at dinner (and she has an excuse due to her line of work but leaves hers off anyway), but there’s always someone in the restaurant who simply must have a long, loud convo while we’re trying to eat.

Makes me want to grab their phone and drop it into their beverage of choice.

210 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:23:01am

re: #202 Learned Pie Of Zion

re: #209 makeitstop

That infuriates me. My wife and I have an explicit policy to leave the phones off while out at dinner (and she has an excuse due to her line of work but leaves hers off anyway), but there’s always someone in the restaurant who simply must have a long, loud convo while we’re trying to eat.

Makes me want to grab their phone and drop it into their beverage of choice.

WORSE ,,, in the middle of a MOVIE

211 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:23:51am

re: #208 sattv4u2

People used to do stuff like potluck suppers at the library

Those were mostly stopped by the local gov’ts because unlike a commercial establishment where the kitchen is (supposedly) inspected regularly, they (the town or county) can’t inspect thereby have public control over the cooking facilities

And the library can get sued if bad food makes people sick at an event it sponsors.

212 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:25:07am

re: #207 Political Atheist

A mess on each and every level

orlandosentinel.com

Everybody dreams about getting huge money from the media for telling their story nowadays.

Also - that Zimmerman dude either attracts teh crazy, or goes actively seeking it out.

213 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:25:28am

Morning, Lizards.

So apparently, this is a thing. And of course the top target would be Bernanke: after all, this site would attract the Ron Paul cult like shit attracts flies, so who better to target than the guy most responsible for our failure to go back to using seashells as currency?

214 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:25:37am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

And the library can get sued if bad food makes people sick at an event it sponsors.

The “library” won’t get sued, but the organizers of the pot luck could be

215 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:25:52am

re: #209 makeitstop

That infuriates me. My wife and I have an explicit policy to leave the phones off while out at dinner (and she has an excuse due to her line of work but leaves hers off anyway), but there’s always someone in the restaurant who simply must have a long, loud convo while we’re trying to eat.

Makes me want to grab their phone and drop it into their beverage of choice.

I hear people in the supermarket from over in the next aisle. If you give them a look they’re like all HOW DARE YOU LISTEN TO MY PRIVATE CONVERSATION!!!!!!!

216 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:27:01am

re: #215 Learned Pie Of Zion

I hear people in the supermarket from over in the next aisle. If you give them a look they’re like all HOW DARE YOU LISTEN TO MY PRIVATE CONVERSATION!!!!!!!

heh,, thats when I look them right in the eye and say in a loud voice “HEY ,, TELL THEM I SAID HI!!!”

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:27:06am

re: #209 makeitstop

That infuriates me. My wife and I have an explicit policy to leave the phones off while out at dinner (and she has an excuse due to her line of work but leaves hers off anyway), but there’s always someone in the restaurant who simply must have a long, loud convo while we’re trying to eat.

Makes me want to grab their phone and drop it into their beverage of choice.

And tell them how well a Cabernet goes with an iPhone with a red case?
///

218 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:27:56am

Also, it looks like it’s going to be a bit chilly next week in NYC. The forecast high for Sunday is 33, and it might not crack 40 all week. It’s still November and this is not Montreal. I wonder if we’re in for a bitterly cold winter, not that I’d mind.

219 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:28:38am

re: #208 sattv4u2
No, that’s not true in this case. Our library has a kitchen/meeting room and it was used for this purpose for over a decade. The lead librarian told me this herself and showed me the memo from her boss at the main library. The group that did it was a little women’s group of moms and grandmas.

220 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:29:48am

BBL, time to walk my favorite canine.

221 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:29:50am

re: #219 A Mom Anon

No, that’s not true in this case. Our library has a kitchen/meeting room and it was used for this purpose for over a decade. The lead librarian told me this herself and showed me the memo from her boss at the main library. The group that did it was a little women’s group of moms and grandmas.

If the kitchen has a license from the county and a permit to hold such events, then there should be no way of stopping it. There must be more to the story

222 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:30:20am

re: #218 Ian G.

Also, it looks like it’s going to be a bit chilly next week in NYC. The forecast high for Sunday is 33, and it might not crack 40 all week. It’s still November and this is not Montreal. I wonder if we’re in for a bitterly cold winter, not that I’d mind.

It was pretty chilly out here on LI last night - I went out for a smoke about 10:00 and it was hovering around 25 degrees.

I’m no big fan of cold, but I’ve learned to put up with it over the years.

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:30:36am

re: #220 A Mom Anon

re: #221 sattv4u2

If the kitchen has a license from the county and a permit to hold such events, then there should be no way of stopping it. There must be more to the story

Our church has such licenses and permits

224 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:31:34am

re: #222 makeitstop

It was pretty chilly out here on LI last night - I went out for a smoke about 10:00 and it was hovering around 25 degrees.

I’m no big fan of cold, but I’ve learned to put up with it over the years.

45 years living in (and around) Boston ,,,,,,,

last 15 years here in Atlanta. Now if it gets below 45 I complain!!!

225 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:31:49am

re: #220 A Mom Anon

BBL, time to walk my favorite canine.

Yeah. I’m late, and the dog is losing patience.

226 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:32:55am

re: #221 sattv4u2

If the kitchen has a license from the county and a permit to hold such events, then there should be no way of stopping it. There must be more to the story

There is a lot more to every story. The Intertubes is through a glass, darkly.

227 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:35:39am

re: #195 A Mom Anon

It’s a bit more than that IMO. It makes people afraid of each other and less trusting. That erodes whole communities. I know this, I’ve watched it happen in my own community. In 15 yrs, this place has changed, A LOT. People used to do stuff like potluck suppers at the library. The practice was stopped because of concerns of some horrible person(aka someone”new”) would bring poisoned food. I tried to bring the practice back and was told that it’s not allowed anymore in public buildings. Because people are scared shitless of one another, and the news and other factors are directly responsible for that. So who profits from that fear? Gun makers and dealers, megachurches (it’s not a coincidence that three of them have been built within 5 miles of my house in the last decade, along with a HUGE Christian K-12 school that costs 25K a yr to send a kid to), home security companies, etc.

We’ve become isolated from one another to an unhealthy degree. If we ever got over that and joined together over the REAL dangers to ourselves and families, the powerful would shit themselves in fear daily. They are not scared of us, we’re too scared of each other to be a threat to them.

You really nailed that. It’s why I basically like living here in this small apt complex. Everyone for the most part gets along well, and we talk to each other. Not a lot of socializing since almost everyone works or goes to school, less than half of us have kids, but we’ve never had any trouble here and it’s safe.

228 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:35:41am

Remember that Facebook page we were talking about a couple of days ago, the one that contained death threats against the POTUS?

I was not the only one to get a message from FB that they reviewed the page and didn’t find anything wrong with it.

Facebook doesn’t feel that blatant death threats to Pres. Obama violate their “Community Standards”

229 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:35:47am

re: #221 sattv4u2
NO ONE WAS COOKING THERE. A potluck means you bring a prepared dish. The memo I was shown said for “security reasons” not health concerns. This happened in Dec of 2001, right before Christmas. There was NEVER a health permit needed or posted in that meeting room because that’s not the law. There’s a sink, fridge and microwave in that room, it’s not a full kitchen.

But it’s nice how you know what’s happening in my community and can insinuate I’m either an idiot or a liar.

230 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:36:43am

re: #229 A Mom Anon

NO ONE WAS COOKING THERE. A potluck means you bring a prepared dish. The memo I was shown said for “security reasons” not health concerns. This happened in Dec of 2001, right before Christmas. There was NEVER a health permit needed or posted in that meeting room because that’s not the law. There’s a sink, fridge and microwave in that room, it’s not a full kitchen.

But it’s nice how you know what’s happening in my community and can insinuate I’m either an idiot or a liar.

And again,,, as stated, it’s because NO ONE WAS COOKING THERE the county has no control over a meal served IN A PUBLIC PLACE

231 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:37:49am

re: #229 A Mom Anon

and can insinuate I’m either an idiot or a liar.

Never stated NOR insinuated that

if thats what you think, then thats a you problem, not a me problem

232 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:38:05am

re: #228 Learned Pie Of Zion

Remember that Facebook page we were talking about a couple of days ago, the one that contained death threats against the POTUS?

I was not the only one to get a message from FB that they reviewed the page and didn’t find anything wrong with it.

Facebook doesn’t feel that blatant death threats to Pres. Obama violate their “Community Standards”

That’s believable. Wouldn’t waste a minute with them—the local FBI dial-in is probably the fastest way to the right LEO.

233 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:38:44am

re: #229 A Mom Anon

NO ONE WAS COOKING THERE. A potluck means you bring a prepared dish. The memo I was shown said for “security reasons” not health concerns. This happened in Dec of 2001, right before Christmas. There was NEVER a health permit needed or posted in that meeting room because that’s not the law. There’s a sink, fridge and microwave in that room, it’s not a full kitchen.

But it’s nice how you know what’s happening in my community and can insinuate I’m either an idiot or a liar.

I think this was due to 9/11 and/or Anthrax hysteria.

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:40:12am

re: #233 Learned Pie Of Zion

I think this was due to 9/11 and/or Anthrax hysteria.

Fear of lutefisk.
/

235 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:41:25am

re: #204 Learned Pie Of Zion

OK what should be this week’s pie?

Blueberry, cherry or lemon meringue?

Oh, gawd, I weep over lemon meringue. : )

236 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:41:30am

re: #229 A Mom Anon

re: #230 sattv4u2

re: #231 sattv4u2

Did something get into the water supply at the underground Lizard lair? ‘Testiness’ has been high for the last couple days.

237 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:42:06am

And on that note, the long quiet (aside from the occasional sneeze) drive home beckons

238 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:42:42am

re: #234 Feline Fearless Leader

Fear of lutefisk.
/

This is Georgia ,,, not MeeeneeSodda!!

239 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:43:44am

re: #238 sattv4u2

This is Georgia ,,, not MeeeneeSodda!!

The Lutheran 5th column is everywhere.

240 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:43:56am

re: #213 Ian G.

Morning, Lizards.

So apparently, this is a thing. And of course the top target would be Bernanke: after all, this site would attract the Ron Paul cult like shit attracts flies, so who better to target than the guy most responsible for our failure to go back to using seashells as currency?

It is the height of Irony that the guy running that Dark Net site calls himself ‘Sanjuro’. That movie character is depicted as a man of honor who takes his ‘Giri’ (duty) as a samurai seriously. The internet scumbag trying to get people killed cares nothing about duty to others, he just wants to watch the world burn.

241 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:49:00am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I start this morning off with a Chris Farley, Rob Ford mashup that suggests that when Farley died, Ford assumed it was his obligation to continue the character:

Youtube Video

242 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:49:01am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

That’s believable. Wouldn’t waste a minute with them—the local FBI dial-in is probably the fastest way to the right LEO.

This reminds me of a story. Back in 1992 or 1993, when Teh Internets was a shiny new thing, Zedushka used to participate in online Middle East discussion forums on the Genie, Prodigy and Compuserve forums.

On one of these boards he was threatened by some neo-nazis or “Remember The USS Liberty!!” wingnuts who said “We will get you on the same day the President comes to Detroit”

He called the USSS and they came out to our house within 30 minutes of making the call.

243 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:49:08am

So my Facebook feed is full of deranged wingnut stuff from the dude who played bass in my high school band. Such a shame. He was a nice, intelligent guy back in the late 90s. Now he thinks the blacks are coming for his wallet and his guns. What the hell happened?

The other two guys who were in the band are a) a Portland liberal, who might have more admiration for Edward Snowden than I like, but otherwise is pretty much on the same wavelength as me politically, and b) apparently apolitical, but into new-age hippie stuff, which is fine by me, so long as his kid gets his vaccinations.

244 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:50:38am

re: #212 makeitstop

Everybody dreams about getting huge money from the media for telling their story nowadays.

Also - that Zimmerman dude either attracts teh crazy, or goes actively seeking it out.

So they already traveled in the same circles? Sleaze is expensive!

245 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:53:16am
Genie, Prodigy and Compuserve forums

Prole. Real Internets were on USENET on VT100 terminals.

246 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:54:28am

re: #245 Internet Tough Guy

Prole. Real Internets were on USENET on VT100 terminals.

I have used VT100 terminals back in the day.

247 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:54:46am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I’m not defending Ann Coulter. But Twitter format makes it hard for me to give a proper explanation of what she does, so rather than post a series of Tweets that would be taken out of context I opted to leave her out of the line of fire this time.

Twitter is not for nuanced discourse on analyzing in-depth issues: it is for letting your friends know what you had for lunch or just bought on sale at the mall fer chrissakes…

248 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:55:50am

I remember installing terminal emulation cards on the DOS PC’s so that users could connect to TEH MAINFRAMES.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:56:46am

re: #238 sattv4u2

This is Georgia ,,, not MeeeneeSodda!!

I rest my case.

250 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 6:59:43am

Heh. I remember when we replaced everybody’s VT terminal with a “brand new” (Windows NT) PC.

Got a bunch of panicked calls from users who said I CAN’T TURN OFF MY COMPUTER!

Because they went through the shutdown procedure from the START menu, got to the screen that said “IT IS NOW OK TO TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER” and then turned off the monitor.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:01:33am

re: #246 Learned Pie Of Zion

I have used VT100 terminals back in the day.

Green, or amber?
:)

252 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:03:22am

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

Green, or amber?
:)

Amber.

253 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:03:54am

The VT220’s were amber, the VT100’s were black & white.

254 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:04:26am

The 3270 terminal emulators were green.

255 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:04:32am

re: #247 Sol Berdinowitz

Twitter is not for nuanced discourse on analyzing in-depth issues: it is for letting your friends know what you had for lunch or just bought on sale at the mall fer chrissakes…

I know, but I felt Coulter’s DERP deserved a reply.

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:05:35am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

I know, but I felt Coulter’s DERP deserved a reply.

Problem is, all you can really offer is counter DERP. People who derive their political outlook from Twitter are already too deeply programmed to be reached.

257 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:10:12am

re: #243 Ian G.

So my Facebook feed is full of deranged wingnut stuff from the dude who played bass in my high school band. Such a shame. He was a nice, intelligent guy back in the late 90s. Now he thinks the blacks are coming for his wallet and his guns. What the hell happened?

The other two guys who were in the band are a) a Portland liberal, who might have more admiration for Edward Snowden than I like, but otherwise is pretty much on the same wavelength as me politically, and b) apparently apolitical, but into new-age hippie stuff, which is fine by me, so long as his kid gets his vaccinations.

It happens. I’ve gotten aggressive when FB acquaintances get seriously mental. I’ve mentioned some of these before:

1) My long-time friend who claims to be independent but votes GOP and hates Obama quit FB when I pushed back on his complaint that Obama was forcing his morality on people by passing the ACA.

Let that sink in for a minute. Wanting people to have access to medical treatment is somehow questionable, morally.

2) I eventually cut a rabid, walking stereotype neocon (full on Benghazi nut) who posted a cartoon of Obama admitting he knowingly worked with Al Queda. I commented on that post that anyone who believed that was a fucking idiot.

He wrote a general response that foul language on his feed would not be tolerated, as his kids read it. His children seeing him falsely accuse Obama of working with terrorists? No big deal. But heaven forfend if they see a naughty word.

3) I just dumped a guy who is essentially a Blue Dog Dem. Disagreed with me about remarks I made blaming the GOP for the shutdown, by telling me to get my dickhead out of my ass.

I said stop calling me a dickhead or else. He insisted that he didn’t, as saying someone has a dickhead up their ass is completely different. He also once told me UFO sightings are human time travelers from a distant century, so there’s that.

Still wonder why I use that service at times. Never a dull moment, that’s for sure. I’m just waiting for the day when people actually see “atheist” under my religious affiliation. It’ll be digital tumbleweeds then, LOL.

258 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:11:32am

re: #248 Learned Pie Of Zion

I’m not going to even try to beat someone who was programming way back in the day.

But you just reminded me of the time spent in class failing miserably at programming basic in a TI-99. Not a good time….and I haven’t gotten any better…:(

259 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:13:03am

re: #253 Learned Pie Of Zion

VT220 keyboards were one of the better ones I’ve run across.

260 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:13:18am

How McDonald’s spends their money instead of paying their workers a living wage:

261 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:14:38am

re: #242 Learned Pie Of Zion

This reminds me of a story. Back in 1992 or 1993, when Teh Internets was a shiny new thing, Zedushka used to participate in online Middle East discussion forums on the Genie, Prodigy and Compuserve forums.

On one of these boards he was threatened by some neo-nazis or “Remember The USS Liberty!!” wingnuts who said “We will get you on the same day the President comes to Detroit”

He called the USSS and they came out to our house within 30 minutes of making the call.

If they don’t get there in 30 minutes, the investigation is free. (Breadsticks extra.)

262 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:15:51am

re: #242 Learned Pie Of Zion

One does not fuck with USSS.

263 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:16:23am

re: #250 Learned Pie Of Zion

Heh. I remember when we replaced everybody’s VT terminal with a “brand new” (Windows NT) PC.

Got a bunch of panicked calls from users who said I CAN’T TURN OFF MY COMPUTER!

Because they went through the shutdown procedure from the START menu, got to the screen that said “IT IS NOW OK TO TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER” and then turned off the monitor.

If you’ve done any kind tech work or support, you must read this site. It’ a hoot.

264 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:16:26am

re: #259 Internet Tough Guy

VT220 keyboards were one of the better ones I’ve run across.

VT220’s definitely kicked ass for everyone who had been using a VT100.

Don’t get me started on the PDP’s and their paper output terminals. And their keyboard where you had to mash each key with BOTH HANDS, that’s how stiff they were.

I think the developers of Unix worked on a PDP keyboard and that’s why the commands are so short and cryptic, because mashing the keys required a lot of muscle.

265 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:21:16am

re: #260 Learned Pie Of Zion

How McDonald’s spends their money instead of paying their workers a living wage:

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If there is ever a revolution in this country, it will be when enough middle class people are reduced to these wages, not the poor themselves—who don’t really have the energy or incentive.

You can’t run a country when the top wealthiest have skewed the game so much to their advantage that there is no longer a middle class. We haven’t quite reached that tipping point yet.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:22:51am
267 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:23:42am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

If there is ever a revolution in this country, it will be when enough middle class people are reduced to these wages, not the poor themselves—who don’t really have the energy or incentive.

You can’t run a country when the top wealthiest have skewed the game so much to their advantage that there is no longer a middle class. We haven’t quite reached that tipping point yet.

With my degree, years of experience and specialized tech skills, I should be making in the 6 figures but I am not. I have always attributed that to being a woman in a mostly male-dominated field but I don’t think my male co-workers are making much more than I am.

268 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:23:53am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

It depends on how it plays out and who is supporting you. Congressman Lee was a relative moderate from New York so when he got caught being sleezy online, John Boehner was able to simply chuck him out swiftly. Trey Radel, by contrast, has significant Tea Party support and Boehner doesn’t want another confrontation with those people right now. Letting it slide can certainly by called hypocritical, but Boehner can survive that kind of hypocrisy.

Sure he can. He’s made a career out of it due to the people that excuse it because he’s a Republican. The party of no continues to play games and America is getting real tired of it.

270 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:25:41am

re: #253 Learned Pie Of Zion

The VT220’s were amber, the VT100’s were black & white.

Right. VT100s had that awful keyboard as well. I had a VT220 kicking around in my house (along with a really lousy modem into the early 2000s). Finally turned them back in just to get a laugh from our IT infrastructure guy. Turned out they *needed* the VT220s since they still had some VAX equipment running at a few plant locations.

271 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:26:09am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

I’m already not having a good time at this time of year. He’s telling me that what I directly experienced was just not the whole story. It WAS. It was most likely directly related to 9/11 and it was a decision made by the Library System. We accepted it at the time because that had just happened. Mind you, it was not a problem EVER before that. This particular group had been meeting for close to a decade without any issue.

But no, there’s more to the story. I just don’t like being told that what I was directly involved in wasn’t the whole story. I should go cool off, maybe I can return with something more valid to discuss.

272 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:26:27am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

If there is ever a revolution in this country, it will be when enough middle class people are reduced to these wages, not the poor themselves—who don’t really have the energy or incentive.

You can’t run a country when the top wealthiest have skewed the game so much to their advantage that there is no longer a middle class. We haven’t quite reached that tipping point yet.

A lot of the middle class and even the lower classes buy into she idea that they can still make that leap into the bonus-package elite, people whose salary does not in any way reflect their performance or the benefits they bring to society.

273 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:26:30am

Indonesians burn Australian flags over spying reports

reuters.com

“About 200 people marched to the heavily fortified Australian embassy in Jakarta - the scene of a 2004 bombing that killed 10 people - to demand an apology over the alleged spying, which prompted Yudhoyono to downgrade diplomatic relations with Canberra on Wednesday.

“Many of the protesters carried banners lambasting their southern neighbor, including one saying, “We are ready for war with Australia”.

(snip)

“Australia earlier updated its travel advisory for Indonesia, the country’s second-most popular tourist destination after New Zealand, urging citizens in the Southeast Asian archipelago to avoid protests and “maintain high levels of vigilance”.

274 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:29:15am

re: #270 Feline Fearless Leader

Right. VT100s had that awful keyboard as well. I had a VT220 kicking around in my house (along with a really lousy modem into the early 2000s). Finally turned them back in just to get a laugh from our IT infrastructure guy. Turned out they *needed* the VT220s since they still had some VAX equipment running at a few plant locations.

Did any PDP’s survive Y2K? The PDP’s that I worked with only had a 2-digit year field in the OS. We joked that if we did not get a replacement for the PDP’s, we would set the year back to 1972 or 1976 which I think had the same day-of-week as Y2K.

275 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:29:20am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

They’ll just hang with their droogs down at the milk bar.

Now there is a movie reference I haven’t come across in a while. Amazing how spot-on that flick was and how it’s message is really timeless.

I remember getting in some debates with some folks that thought it was one of the worst movies ever, yet they couldn’t manage to form a real criticism. I guess it came down to two things. 1. Movies are supposed to be all about fun and feeling good even if there is some tear-jerking. 2. Movies fail when they try to make big social statements in such dark ways…or something.

276 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:29:51am
“We are ready for war with Australia”.

We’ve always been ready for war with Australia.

278 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:31:11am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

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My opinion of Ann Coulter is quite hostile, but because I don’t think she is actually the kind of racist I’m referring to I needed to add a disclaimer.

(She’s actually an opportunist who caters to such racists, but making the distinction isn’t possible given the limitations of Twitter.)

Playing race for opportunity is still racist. Period. No excuse.

279 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:32:06am

re: #272 Sol Berdinowitz

A lot of the middle class and even the lower classes buy into she idea that they can still make that leap into the bonus-package elite, people whose salary does not in any way reflect their performance or the benefits they bring to society.

Well, I’m talking reality here, not wishful thinking.

Do you really think that paying people minimum wages makes a CEO worth tens of millions in annual pay? If you do, you’re part of the problem.

280 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:32:14am

re: #272 Sol Berdinowitz

A lot of the middle class and even the lower classes buy into she idea that they can still make that leap into the bonus-package elite, people whose salary does not in any way reflect their performance or the benefits they bring to society.

HURR HURR THEY ARE TEH JRRB CREEYATERS!!!!11 THEY CREEYATE TEH JRRBS!!!!!! HOW MENY JRRBS HAS U CREATED U LIBRUL?? U PROBABLY DON’T EVEN HAVE A JRRB!!!!!!1

Because people spending money to buy a corporation’s products thereby creating a demand for its goods and services apparently has nothing to do with CREEYATIN JRRBS it’s just something that the top executives do out of the kindness of their hearts.

282 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:35:33am

re: #268 ObserverArt

Sure he can. He’s made a career out of it due to the people that excuse it because he’s a Republican. The party of no continues to play games and America is getting real tired of it.

If people were getting tired of the GOP, Christie wouldn’t have been elected in a landslide. Don’t underestimate the American voter’s pathetic inability to think critically.

Christ, even Bill Maher has been touting him as bipartisan.

283 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:35:52am

re: #281 Interesting Times

Link be broke.

Fixed!

284 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:37:10am

re: #269 Varek Raith

Harry Reid May Nuke The Filibuster This Week: Dem Sources

Good, but I’m filing that under “I’ll Believe It When I See It.”

285 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:37:53am

re: #278 ObserverArt

Playing race for opportunity is still racist. Period. No excuse.

I wasn’t making excuses.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:38:49am

re: #279 Justanotherhuman

Well, I’m talking reality here, not wishful thinking.

Do you really think that paying people minimum wages makes a CEO worth tens of millions in annual pay? If you do, you’re part of the problem.

I was trying to say that it is a myth, but a lot of Americans are very receptive to any billionaire who complains that he is a victim of jealousy or class warfare.

Because Calvinism is very deep-seated in a still broadly accepted view that those who are richer than us got that way because they are somehow morally superior to us.

287 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:40:42am

re: #286 Sol Berdinowitz

I was trying to say that it is a myth, but a lot of Americans are very receptive to any billionaire who complains that he is a victim of jealousy or class warfare.

Because Calvinism is very deep-seated in a still broadly accepted view that those who are richer than us got that way because they are somehow morally superior to us.

The answer to that of course,

JUSTIN BIEBER: worth millions
WOLFGANG A. MOZART: died penniless and in debt

288 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:41:00am

re: #271 A Mom Anon

I’m already not having a good time at this time of year. He’s telling me that what I directly experienced was just not the whole story. It WAS. It was most likely directly related to 9/11 and it was a decision made by the Library System. We accepted it at the time because that had just happened. Mind you, it was not a problem EVER before that. This particular group had been meeting for close to a decade without any issue.

But no, there’s more to the story. I just don’t like being told that what I was directly involved in wasn’t the whole story. I should go cool off, maybe I can return with something more valid to discuss.

If the discussion is with Capt. Punctuation, don’t bother. You’ll just give yourself an ulcer. Still not sure what that one brings to any conversation.

289 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:42:11am

House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects

The bill, introduced by Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO), is broad legislation designed to make it much easier for oil and gas companies to obtain permission to drill on public lands. If signed into law, the legislation would automatically approve onshore drilling permits if the U.S. Department of Interior (DOI) failed to act on them in 60 days.

If an individual does not like a proposed drilling project and wanted to oppose it, he or she would have to pay a $5,000 fee to file an official protest.

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:44:52am

re: #274 Learned Pie Of Zion

Did any PDP’s survive Y2K? The PDP’s that I worked with only had a 2-digit year field in the OS. We joked that if we did not get a replacement for the PDP’s, we would set the year back to 1972 or 1976 which I think had the same day-of-week as Y2K.

I only interacted with PDP-10s while at college. They used them as support processors to a DEC-10 system. In a work environment it was VAX (3100?) and MicroVAX machines running VAX/VMS in some version or another.

Cut my teeth on relational databases using Rdb 1.2 or so. Eventually up to 3.0 and then at one point coding Rdb and SQL at the same time, which could be annoying since there were syntax differences for doing the same thing.

291 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:45:23am

re: #250 Learned Pie Of Zion

Heh. I remember when we replaced everybody’s VT terminal with a “brand new” (Windows NT) PC.

Got a bunch of panicked calls from users who said I CAN’T TURN OFF MY COMPUTER!

Because they went through the shutdown procedure from the START menu, got to the screen that said “IT IS NOW OK TO TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER” and then turned off the monitor.

I still look back fondly on my first ‘big’ power machine…and 286 DX with DOS and the very first Windows with a full 8mb of RAM and a full 385 mb hard drive! I think it was close to $4,000 and we thought that was hot stuff. Now a Smart Phone would kill it.

292 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:46:42am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

I wasn’t making excuses.

Sorry Dark, I meant little Ms. Stick Figure Coulter, not you.

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:47:00am

re: #275 ObserverArt

Now there is a movie reference I haven’t come across in a while. Amazing how spot-on that flick was and how it’s message is really timeless.

I remember getting in some debates with some folks that thought it was one of the worst movies ever, yet they couldn’t manage to form a real criticism. I guess it came down to two things. 1. Movies are supposed to be all about fun and feeling good even if there is some tear-jerking. 2. Movies fail when they try to make big social statements in such dark ways…or something.

I know a bunch of people who can’t stand Kubrick. I think a lot of it sources to them not wanting movies to challenge them to think (movie watching is pure brain candy to them) and that Kubrick did not do feel-good endings that returned to status quo.

294 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:48:38am

re: #291 ObserverArt

I still look back fondly on my first ‘big’ power machine…and 286 DX with DOS and the very first Windows with a full 8mb of RAM and a full 385 mb hard drive! I think it was close to $4,000 and we thought that was hot stuff. Now a Smart Phone would kill it.

Zedushka is still beating himself up because he spent $500 on a 40MB HD in 1989. Yes that’s right 40MB. He cries when he sees an ad for 4TB for $99.

I say “Dude it was 1989!”

295 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:50:49am

re: #294 Learned Pie Of Zion

Zedushka is still beating himself up because he spent $500 on a 40MB HD in 1989. Yes that’s right 40MB. He cries when he sees an ad for 4TB for $99.

I say “Dude it was 1989!”

retronaut.com

296 Schadenboner  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:52:07am

re: #294 Learned Pie Of Zion

Zedushka is still beating himself up because he spent $500 on a 40MB HD in 1989. Yes that’s right 40MB. He cries when he sees an ad for 4TB for $99.

I say “Dude it was 1989!”

Don’t feel bad. I remember paying 100 bucks a meg for RAM back around that time.

Also, lawn: get off mine.

298 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:53:54am

re: #271 A Mom Anon

I’m already not having a good time at this time of year. He’s telling me that what I directly experienced was just not the whole story. It WAS. It was most likely directly related to 9/11 and it was a decision made by the Library System. We accepted it at the time because that had just happened. Mind you, it was not a problem EVER before that. This particular group had been meeting for close to a decade without any issue.

But no, there’s more to the story. I just don’t like being told that what I was directly involved in wasn’t the whole story. I should go cool off, maybe I can return with something more valid to discuss.

Hang in there Mom! You are not the only one that has the blues at this time of the year. And remember, your thoughts are your thoughts, same as your experiences…and no one can take them away from you.

299 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 7:58:55am

Today’s “liberal” Washington Post has a George Will op-ed titled JFK, Conservative. Seriously. The guy who proudly declared his support for the strict separation of church and state, the guy whose picture adorned the Wanted For Treason ad published by the John Birchers in Texas, the guy who took to the TV to decry segration, identifying its continued presence 100 f0cking years after the Civil War as a “moral issue”. The guy who spoke in his inaugural of his desire and belief in a New Frontier for the country. That guy. Conservative. WTFITS?

Can’t wait for 50 years from now when conservative writer will write Obama, Conservative article for liberal Wash Post. SMH.

300 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:00:23am

re: #296 Schadenboner

Talking about this very thing today in our training class on communication and writing. Those tech people sure ripped us off back in the day.

301 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:01:14am

re: #297 Varek Raith

The Massive Republican Campaign to Sabotage the Affordable Care Act

Good summary of the sit to date.

302 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:02:22am

re: #299 Bulworth

Today’s “liberal” Washington Post has a George Will op-ed titled JFK, Conservative. Seriously. The guy who proudly declared his support for the strict separation of church and state, the guy whose picture adorned the Wanted For Treason ad published by the John Birchers in Texas, the guy who took to the TV to decry segration, identifying its continued presence 100 f0cking years after the Civil War as a “moral issue”. The guy who spoke in his inaugural of his desire and belief in a New Frontier for the country. That guy. Conservative. WTFITS?

Can’t wait for 50 years from now when conservative writer will write Obama, Conservative article for liberal Wash Post. SMH.

50 years from now the GOP will claim all the credit for SSM and women’s reproductive rights.

303 Dr. Matt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:04:07am
House Speaker John Boehner’s office (R-OH) is not expected to call for his resignation or any further disciplinary action.

Yet, boner pics of Anthony Weiner resulted in non-stop pearl clutching.

304 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:05:10am

re: #289 Varek Raith

House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects

That needs to go down like a lead balloon and die a horrible death.

305 Dr. Matt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:07:16am

For nearly 10 years my mother refused to replace my father’s Windows 95 1st Generation Pentium PC because they paid over $2,000 for the machine (from Sears).

306 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:08:16am

re: #279 Justanotherhuman

Well, I’m talking reality here, not wishful thinking.

Do you really think that paying people minimum wages makes a CEO worth tens of millions in annual pay? If you do, you’re part of the problem.

You know, when I was younger and wanting to get into advertising as an artist I thought how cool would it be to make the big bucks. Then in the summer between my junior and senior years at art school I got to freelance at a fairly well known ad agency here in Columbus. Once I got to meet some of the people and heard the bullshit about how they were going to ‘sell’ something that was based on total BS, I started to wonder about the ethics behind the advertising. Of course walking into the front office and seeing a huge mural of the owner done in Peter Max pop art style deifying himself didn’t help. I found I am going to be facing a future of big egos that can spin the BS better than anyone I knew and I had to rethink my game plan.

I came to the conclusion I could live with myself a whole lot better by performing a real service and got into working more in tech advertising, technical spec sheets and cataloging that had real information of benefit to people buying equipment and goods that performed actual functions.

The old money doesn’t mean anything if you have to do what you are not comfortable with situation. I could always sleep at night and could always face all those I worked with.

307 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:08:30am

JFK: Proud to be Liberal.

308 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:12:18am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

For nearly 10 years my mother refused to replace my father’s Windows 95 1st Generation Pentium PC because they paid over $2,000 for the machine (from Sears).

Around 1971, we paid $150 for a Texas Instruments TI-10 because it would do square roots. That was about a week’s wages from the assembly line. Almost every week for a year or so the price came down about $10. I swear, the last offer I saw for it was a coupon in a freakn’ cereal box to get one free.

310 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:12:50am

re: #282 Mattand

If people were getting tired of the GOP, Christie wouldn’t have been elected in a landslide. Don’t underestimate the American voter’s pathetic inability to think critically.

Christ, even Bill Maher has been touting him as bipartisan.

True at the moment and subject to change. I was addressing Dark’s mention of Boehner. I think right now Boehner’s ratings are no where near those of Christie as he rides a new found high. He’s fresh to most of America but I do not think that is going to last when people really get to know him and when he whips out the real bully he can be.

Fresh meat goes rancid in days.

311 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:14:24am

re: #284 Mattand

Good, but I’m filing that under “I’ll Believe It When I See It.”

Are you getting closer to believing? I’m hearing Mitch bitch in the background right now. Something is up.

312 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:14:49am

re: #311 ObserverArt

Are you getting closer to believing? I’m hearing Mitch bitch in the background right now. Something is up.

Yeah, he sounds pissy.

313 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:15:33am

re: #310 ObserverArt

True at the moment and subject to change. I was addressing Dark’s mention of Boehner. I think right now Boehner’s ratings are no where near those of Christie as he rides a new found high. He’s fresh to most of America but I do not think that is going to last when people really get to know him and when he whips out the real bully he can be.

Fresh meat goes rancid in days.

Reading the RW sites, there’s no way he gets through the primaries without an epic bloodbath. They really hate him.

314 ObserverArt  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:19:26am

re: #293 Feline Fearless Leader

I know a bunch of people who can’t stand Kubrick. I think a lot of it sources to them not wanting movies to challenge them to think (movie watching is pure brain candy to them) and that Kubrick did not do feel-good endings that returned to status quo.

Very much agreed. But at least they should have been impressed with his fantastic photography and set design with great graphic 2 dimensional design and layouts. I swear you could have cut any one frame from his film roll and it would have stood up as a single photograph. He was maybe one of the last of the true photographic film makers as artist and not just a movie director.

315 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:19:40am

Reid may be about to go nuclear in the senate after the GOP stonewalls yet another slate of badly-needed judges’ appointments.

316 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:20:21am

c-span.org

317 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:22:49am

re: #230 sattv4u2

And again,,, as stated, it’s because NO ONE WAS COOKING THERE the county has no control over a meal served IN A PUBLIC PLACE

First, I wish I’d gotten here before this turned into the kerfuffle it did, and I’m glad both have stepped away for just a minute. What I’d like to do is slight education and clarification. I spend almost a decade as a librarian in Georgia so I can actually speak with a degree of authority on this subject.

The reason has nothing to do with “no one cooking there”. The thing is that libraries are a semi-public forum. That usually comes into play in free speech discussions, but it also happens to come in play for public safety.

As a government facility that is a semi-public forum a library is reasonably expected to provide for the health and safety of its patrons. THAT MEANS that if it has an event that specifically includes food on the premises it takes reasonable precautions to ensure the food is safe. Waivers (It’s a potluck we have no control over everyone’s kitchen eat at your own risk) have limitations determined by law and court precedence.

A church is not a semi-public forum. It does not run into those issues.

By the way, the complexities and difficulties have led a lot of libraries to make radical and extreme changes to their public meeting room allowances, some going so far as to no longer using them as public meeting rooms. That’s not just a Georgia thing, either.

318 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:26:03am

re: #313 Decatur Deb

Reading the RW sites, there’s no way he gets through the primaries without an epic bloodbath. They really hate him.

They will never forgive him for refusing to cut off his nose to spite his face over hurricane Sandy.

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:29:43am

re: #314 ObserverArt

Very much agreed. But at least they should have been impressed with his fantastic photography and set design with great graphic 2 dimensional design and layouts. I swear you could have cut any one frame from his film roll and it would have stood up as a single photograph. He was maybe one of the last of the true photographic film makers as artist and not just a movie director.

He does that on purpose. One of his stated goals in _Barry Lyndon_ was to evoke images of period paintings of that time. And some of the scenes are specifically trying to emulate that.

320 Mike Lamb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:31:52am

re: #289 Varek Raith

House To Vote On Bill That Would Impose $5,000 Fee For Protesting Drilling Projects

That wreaks of violating the First Amendment, but no way the Roberts’ Court would strike it down. Of course, we know what happens if you were to limit a corporation to $5,000 campaign donations, i.e. the equivalent of a corporate protest…

321 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:35:37am

re: #319 Feline Fearless Leader

He does that on purpose. One of his stated goals in _Barry Lyndon_ was to evoke images of period paintings of that time. And some of the scenes are specifically trying to emulate that.

Deserves an Oscar just for introducing The Chieftains to the world.

322 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #315 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Reid may be about to go nuclear in the senate after the GOP stonewalls yet another slate of badly-needed judges’ appointments.

I am, I admit, torn, with the caveat that the half-step proposed is almost guaranteed to force the next step on the slippery slope.

The nuclear under discussion is ‘just’ for Presidential nominations (cabinet, judges, etc) excluding Supreme Court justices.

The argument against is the slippery slope plus mirror.

The mirror is obvious. Eventually (so goes the argument) the roles will be reversed. Filibusters have long been one of the tools in the Senate that made it the saucer to cool the House’s legislative tea, and by removing it the senate becomes far less of a barrier against the ‘tyranny of the majority’. One recent case example: the privatization of social security which was Bush’s big social goal of the second term. The keystone to delaying it long enough for public sentiment to bury it was the democratic minority’s filibuster. Take away the filibuster and the consequences become ugly.

The slippery slope is also obvious. For now it’s ‘just’ some appointments. Then it’s appointments and treaties. Or certain classes of bills. And then more, till eventually there is no filibuster at all. And as I noted at the beginning, intentionally excluding a supreme court appointment - an appointment which based on what we went through for Kagan and Sotomayer is going to be extraordinarily ugly - seems to be intentionally setting up the next step on the slope. (What, you don’t think the first few candidates for the SCOTUS will be filibustered for Obamacare and Benghazi and The Blackhouse and just because they’re not tea party? Bless your heart, that’s ok; we need the dreamers too.)

That’s the con. But the fact remains the current obstruction and nullification is extraordinary. Sometimes the choices are bad and worse, and it’s beginning to look like bad is the best we’ve got.

323 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:38:13am

re: #320 Mike Lamb

That wreaks of violating the First Amendment, but no way the Roberts’ Court would strike it down. Of course, we know what happens if you were to limit a corporation to $5,000 campaign donations, i.e. the equivalent of a corporate protest…

The fee is for officially protesting the project to the Department of the Interior, not for holding a protest about the project. That makes the constitutional question a good bit more complex.

324 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:40:59am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

The fee is for officially protesting the project to the Department of the Interior, not for holding a protest about the project. That makes the constitutional question a good bit more complex.

Just like losing a half day’s work and paying another half in fees for voter ID isn’t a poll tax.

325 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:44:12am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

Just like losing a half day’s work and paying another half in fees for voter ID isn’t a poll tax.

Voter ID laws have gotten rewritten or struck down over that last. The Voter ID laws that have survived that argument generally provided for a free ID for voting purposes for lower-income people.

326 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:46:40am

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

Voter ID laws have gotten rewritten or struck down over that last. The Voter ID laws that have survived that argument generally provided for a free ID for voting purposes for lower-income people.

After Signing Law Disenfranchising ID-less Voters, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Closes 10 DMV Offices

327 EmmaAnne  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:47:29am

re: #142 Aqua Obama

Teen Thrown In Violent New York Prison For Years Without Ever Having Been Convicted

That is horrifying. And in New York, not Texas or Mississippi.

328 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:47:41am

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

Voter ID laws have gotten rewritten or struck down over that last. The Voter ID laws that have survived that argument generally provided for a free ID for voting purposes for lower-income people.

If you can get it.

“The Advancement Project, a voting rights group based in Washington, estimates that one in 10 Texas registered voters lacks a photo identification. More than 125 Texas counties don’t have Department of Motor Vehicle outposts or other identification-issuing facilities.

County officials have scrambled to get identifications to as many voters as possible. Tarrant County, which includes Fort Worth and Arlington, sent out mobile identification stations over several days during the last few weeks.”

washingtonpost.com

329 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:52:27am

More people voting = Bad for GOP.

Do the math.

330 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:55:23am

re: #328 Decatur Deb

If you can get it.

“The Advancement Project, a voting rights group based in Washington, estimates that one in 10 Texas registered voters lacks a photo identification. More than 125 Texas counties don’t have Department of Motor Vehicle outposts or other identification-issuing facilities.

County officials have scrambled to get identifications to as many voters as possible. Tarrant County, which includes Fort Worth and Arlington, sent out mobile identification stations over several days during the last few weeks.”

washingtonpost.com

And of course there’s the difficulty of getting the license/photo ID even when you DO make it to the DMV in Texas. That’s where the ‘different name on legal forms’ comes into play, among other things. I did a longish rant a while back in response to a ‘voters only need one ID at the poll’ comment, I can probably find and link if I have to.

Everyone notes the problem with different name by marriage. But if you’ve got a hyphenated surname it’s probably got too many characters for some forms and you run into the name. If you got a clerk who typed what they heard instead of what they saw on the paper you handed them, you might have a problem.

That last I can attest to having had it more than once. My first name is Kirklin, I go by Kirk, and I’ve got a crapload of official documents that include official corrections for a clerk typing Kirkland or Kirt or Kurt or Curt. Heck, my passport had to be redone - both because the idiot clerk used my driver license instead of my birth certificate and what I put on the form for my “state of birth” AND because my name was wrong. (Longer to get the replacement than the original.)

While the name’s my big bugaboo there are other issues that make it harder than it needs to be to get a Texas ID for voting.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:55:49am

re: #322 kirkspencer

I am, I admit, torn, with the caveat that the half-step proposed is almost guaranteed to force the next step on the slippery slope.

The nuclear under discussion is ‘just’ for Presidential nominations (cabinet, judges, etc) excluding Supreme Court justices.

The argument against is the slippery slope plus mirror.

The mirror is obvious. Eventually (so goes the argument) the roles will be reversed. Filibusters have long been one of the tools in the Senate that made it the saucer to cool the House’s legislative tea, and by removing it the senate becomes far less of a barrier against the ‘tyranny of the majority’. One recent case example: the privatization of social security which was Bush’s big social goal of the second term. The keystone to delaying it long enough for public sentiment to bury it was the democratic minority’s filibuster. Take away the filibuster and the consequences become ugly.

The slippery slope is also obvious. For now it’s ‘just’ some appointments. Then it’s appointments and treaties. Or certain classes of bills. And then more, till eventually there is no filibuster at all. And as I noted at the beginning, intentionally excluding a supreme court appointment - an appointment which based on what we went through for Kagan and Sotomayer is going to be extraordinarily ugly - seems to be intentionally setting up the next step on the slope. (What, you don’t think the first few candidates for the SCOTUS will be filibustered for Obamacare and Benghazi and The Blackhouse and just because they’re not tea party? Bless your heart, that’s ok; we need the dreamers too.)

That’s the con. But the fact remains the current obstruction and nullification is extraordinary. Sometimes the choices are bad and worse, and it’s beginning to look like bad is the best we’ve got.

Are they preventing filibusters, or just stopping the silly “hold” rules that allow a single Senator to block something by just filing to do so instead of actually being required to carry out a “real” filibuster based on standard parliamentary procedures?

332 The War TARDIS  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:56:36am

re: #287 Learned Pie Of Zion

Remarkable too, is that Saudi Arabia’s perverted view of Islam they promote sounds eerily like the Calvinists.

333 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:57:52am

re: #331 Feline Fearless Leader

Are they preventing filibusters, or just stopping the silly “hold” rules that allow a single Senator to block something by just filing to do so instead of actually being required to carry out a “real” filibuster based on standard parliamentary procedures?

Waiting to see. My info is that they’re making all the related votes (not just the last) simple majority. Which doesn’t address the hold crap at all, of course.

334 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:57:53am

They just can’t help themselves….

335 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:59:13am

re: #327 EmmaAnne

That is horrifying. And in New York, not Texas or Mississippi.

We want Law and Order but we don’t wanna pay taxes to finance it, this is what we get.

336 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:02:08am

re: #302 Learned Pie Of Zion

All our best presidents have been conservatives which is why there has been so much non-conservative change in the country. //

337 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:02:51am

re: #332 The War TARDIS

Remarkable too, is that Saudi Arabia’s perverted view of Islam they promote sounds eerily like the Calvinists.

Not really. Calvinists believe(d) in a person doing their own hard work and succeeding on their own efforts that God chooses to bless, whereas the Saudis import workers from poor countries to do the hard work.

338 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:06:12am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

Not really. Calvinists believe(d) in a person doing their own hard work and succeeding on their own efforts that God chooses to bless, whereas the Saudis import workers from poor countries to do the hard work.

What would Calvinists teach about the Waltons and others who never worked a day in their lives but just inherited a shit load?

339 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:07:25am

re: #338 Learned Pie Of Zion

What would Calvinists teach about the Waltons and others who never worked a day in their lives but just inherited a shit load?

teh wealth is just evidence of how much God loves them!!!11!ty

340 Schadenboner  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:07:35am

Needs must as the devil drives. You cannot have a chamber governed by norms and comity when nearly 40% of the body are at the psycho-emotional level of a dung-flinging colobus monkey (I’ll not insult the Pan troglodytes by comparison of our noble cousins-of-the-thumb with the GOP, thank you very much!) and are motivated only by nihilism, egoism, and their fear of a more-eager shit-slinger replacing them.

And there is little indication that the Senate GOP will be moderating (I think this is due to the larger amount of money needed to run a state-wide campaign).

The filibuster has to go, this is a necessary but not sufficient first step.

EDIT: I should note that further wiki-diving has indicated that colobi practice allomothering (that is, the raising of infants by non-maternal family members or small social groups in addition to the more common maternal-care model). In this they actually display more prosocial behavior than the GOP. I regret my slur against colobi.

341 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:07:48am

Here it comes.

342 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:08:11am

*ROLLEYES*

343 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:08:12am

I’m in the midst of an ACA argument with a wingnut on Facebook and need a little help. Can someone provide a link explaining why Congress taking part in ACA would be unconstitutional? TIA

344 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:08:38am

re: #342 Learned Pie Of Zion

*ROLLEYES*

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Lol.

345 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:09:55am

Hey wait Prudence, I thought OBAMA SHUT TEH GOVERNMENT DOWN & CLOSED ALL TEH NATIONAL PARKS!!!!11!!!!

Keep track of your own memes.

346 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:11:46am

re: #342 Learned Pie Of Zion

What’s Prudence derping about here?

Also, too: I thought it was the Democrat Party that shut down government (and the monuments everyone has to go to all the time). /

347 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:12:38am

re: #342 Learned Pie Of Zion

If only conservatives had some access to radio or cable television news….

//

348 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:12:42am

re: #345 Learned Pie Of Zion

re: #346 Bulworth

Now, now, don’t confuse the poor little thing.

349 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:13:03am

re: #340 Schadenboner

Needs must as the devil drives. You cannot have a chamber governed by norms and comity when nearly 40% of the body are at the psycho-emotional level of a dung-flinging colobus monkey (I’ll not insult the Pan troglodytes by comparison of our noble cousins-of-the-thumb with the GOP, thank you very much!) and are motivated only by nihilism, egoism, and their fear of a more-eager shit-slinger replacing them.

And there is little indication that the Senate GOP will be moderating (I think this is due to the larger amount of money needed to run a state-wide campaign).

The filibuster has to go, this is a necessary but not sufficient first step.

Good comment, but the upding is for obscure Irish sayings.

Youtube Video

350 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:13:21am

Filibuster rule change vote.
c-span.org

351 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:14:20am

re: #342 Learned Pie Of Zion

*ROLLEYES*

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For weeks preceding, “If you don’t do what we want including ending Obamacare we’re going to shut down the government.”
shut down government
“The Democrats made us do it.”

The battlecry of children and villains: “They made me do it.”

/spit

352 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:16:00am

HURR HURR TEH LIBRULS IS MAKING A WAR ON CHILDREN!!!!!!
It started as a battle in the War On Christmas!!!!!11!!11!11 now it’s a WAR ON TEH CHILDRENZ!!!!1!!!11 because some publicly-funded school kids can’t put a bunch of JESUS PAMPHLETS in toys they are collecting for teh poors.

353 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:20:28am

ICK

354 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:20:57am

re: #352 Learned Pie Of Zion

Probably realizing that a War On Christmas is pretty lame. So we must be waging a war on children, except for poor children on food stamps who need to make their parents go out and work 5 jobs.

355 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:21:27am

Glenn Greenwald & the Koch’s: a match made in the Devil’s underpants.

356 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:22:10am

re: #354 Bulworth

Probably realizing that a War On Christmas is pretty lame. So we must be waging a war on children, except for poor children on food stamps who need to make their parents go out and work 5 jobs.

BUT CUT OFF TEH FOOD STAMPS FOR THOSE LITTLE MOOCHERS!!!11!!! MAKE THEM CLEAN TOILETS!!!!!11

357 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:22:14am

re: #353 Learned Pie Of Zion

What is this derp?

358 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:24:39am

re: #357 Bulworth

What is this derp?

Glenn Greenwald, Cato Institute Contributor.

359 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:25:06am

THE CIRCLE OF DERP IS COMPLETE.

360 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:27:46am

CNN:

Washington (CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, frustrated by Republicans who have been blocking President Barack Obama’s nominees, Thursday moved to introduce the so-called nuclear option.

The controversial move is a rules change that could make a partisan environment even more divisive because it would take away a sacrosanct right for any party in the Senate minority–the right to filibuster.

Then at the very end of the article we see this

In 2005, the then majority Republicans threatened the nuclear option to prevent Democratic filibusters of President George W. Bush’s judicial nominees. The confrontation was averted thanks to an agreement by a bipartisan group of 14 senators.

So the filibuster is super-sacrosanct except in 2005 when the GOP controlled the chamber and threatened to end it. //

361 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:29:40am

Man, I remember rocking this program in 1999:

Winamp to shut down after 15 years

362 erik_t  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:29:57am

I don’t care if it’s sacrosanct if it’s shit.

The filibuster, as it currently exists, is shit. So good riddance.

363 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:30:29am

Senate voting on nuclear option. If you haven’t yet purchased your fainting couch or clutching pearls, please consider doing so. /

364 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:30:59am

re: #361 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, I remember rocking this program in 1999:

Winamp to shut down after 15 years

I have Winamp installed on my Kindle.

I have to admit, though - I never got that ‘It really kicks the llama’s ass’ thing.

365 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:32:13am

re: #362 erik_t

Every judicial nominee deserves an up or down vote except if nominee is a Democrat and Republicans are minority in Senate. Then sacrosanct filibuster is sacrosanct. ///

366 erik_t  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:34:51am

re: #365 Bulworth

I don’t understand how prevention of a vote can be interpreted as sacrosanct in a democracy.

367 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:34:59am

re: #352 Learned Pie Of Zion

HURR HURR TEH LIBRULS IS MAKING A WAR ON CHILDREN!!!!!!
It started as a battle in the War On Christmas!!!!!11!!11!11 now it’s a WAR ON TEH CHILDRENZ!!!!1!!!11 because some publicly-funded school kids can’t put a bunch of JESUS PAMPHLETS in toys they are collecting for teh poors.

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These people who do this religious BS at public schools are just trying to make a point.

The schools should tell them to contribute, if they wish, to the Marine Corp Toys for Tots program and other organizations if they wish. When I lived in Charlotte, you could also drop off toys at any City fire station.

If people want their churches to do this, they’re perfectly free to do so at their churches, but schools are secular, public, and have kids of many religions (or none) attending, and don’t have to “honor christian principles” per se.

These people will never understand the concept of “separation of church and state”.

368 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:36:01am

re: #361 Eclectic Cyborg

Version 2.95. Still use it.

369 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:36:30am

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

These people who do this religious BS at public schools are just trying to make a point.

The schools should tell them to contribute, if they wish, to the Marine Corp Toys for Tots program and other organizations if they wish. When I lived in Charlotte, you could also drop off toys at any City fire station.

If people want their churches to do this, they’re perfectly free to do so at their churches, but schools are secular, public, and have kids of many religions (or none) attending, and don’t have to “honor christian principles” per se.

These people will never understand the concept of “separation of church and state”.

Most Americans see “freedom of religion” as “freedom to practice Christianity only, every other heathen can go fuck themselves.”

370 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:36:38am

re: #367 Justanotherhuman

These people will never understand the concept of “separation of church and state”.

They only remember it when it applies to Muslims.

371 Schadenboner  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:37:24am

re: #366 erik_t

I don’t understand how prevention of a vote can be interpreted as sacrosanct in a democracy.

It’s part of the GOP Creed. Doesn’t matter if they’re disenfranchising blahs or castrating the Senate, it’s what they “do”.

372 blueraven  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:37:36am

In the case of the nuclear option…the nays are a vote for. It is 52 nays and the Senate has voted to change the filibuster rules for certain nominees.

373 Mattand  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:38:13am

re: #366 erik_t

I don’t understand how prevention of a vote can be interpreted as sacrosanct in a democracy.

[chinatown]
Forget it, Jake: it’s CNN.
[/chinatown]

374 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:38:16am

re: #370 Learned Pie Of Zion

They only remember it when it applies to Muslims.

Or yoga classes.

375 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:38:57am

re: #372 blueraven

In the case of the nuclear option…the nays are a vote for. It is 52 nays and the Senate has voted to change the filibuster rules for certain nominees..

For Fed judges, it’s for all but SC nominees.

376 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:39:16am

re: #372 blueraven

TYRANNIES!!!!

377 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:39:52am
378 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:41:12am

re: #377 wrenchwench

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I blame Alouette.

379 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:41:14am

re: #352 Learned Pie Of Zion

HURR HURR TEH LIBRULS IS MAKING A WAR ON CHILDREN!!!!!!
It started as a battle in the War On Christmas!!!!!11!!11!11 now it’s a WAR ON TEH CHILDRENZ!!!!1!!!11 because some publicly-funded school kids can’t put a bunch of JESUS PAMPHLETS in toys they are collecting for teh poors.

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Unruh said it’s not coincidental that the South Carolina charter school received the exact same letter.

“Because they don’t like the message that we convey under our religious liberty, they have to shut us down and that is a tactic of bullying,” she said. “They don’t believe in equal access. They believe in shutting down anybody who doesn’t comply with their view of what society should be - and that is completely godless.”

Oy.

380 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:41:29am

So, after over five years of constant abuse of the filibuster and broken deal after broken deal, Harry finally pulls the trigger. I am impressed.

381 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:42:07am

Tesla was the better investor, but Edison had BETTER CORPORATE SPONSORS.

382 blueraven  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:42:35am

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

For Fed judges, it’s for all but SC nominees.

I believe it also applies to executive appointments…like heads of agencies. Consumer Protection, ATF etc…

383 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:43:41am

Criminals, GG? Unlike Manning, they haven’t been convicted of a crime.


I hope your boy Snowden has to pay with some jail time also, although I’d consider being in Russia in his situation almost as bad. Almost. Not quite.

384 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:44:02am

re: #381 Learned Pie Of Zion

Tesla was the better investor, but Edison had BETTER CORPORATE SPONSORS.

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Edison was also a grade-a douche.

385 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:44:19am

re: #380 Targetpractice

So, after over five years of constant abuse of the filibuster and broken deal after broken deal, Harry finally pulls the trigger. I am impressed.

TYRANNY!!!

386 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:44:49am

re: #384 Varek Raith

Edison was also a grade-a douche.

And he partnered with Henry Ford, for tag-team Douchery.

387 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:45:44am

This really, REALLY pisses me off. $7 Gs is nothing to Wal-Mart. NOTHING

Wal-Mart still hasn’t paid $7000 fine for Black Friday trampling death in 2008

388 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:46:43am

The Henry Ford Museum has Thomas Edison’s Last Dying Breath in an airtight bottle.

I don’t know what Henry Ford thought he was going to do with it, maybe clone an army of Edisons?

389 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:47:25am

re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg

This really, REALLY pisses me off. $7 Gs is nothing to Wal-Mart. NOTHING

Wal-Mart still hasn’t paid $7000 fine for Black Friday trampling death in 2008

Hey, that’s 30 seconds of income for the Walmart CEO!

390 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:50:17am

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

Oy.

In addition to not understanding “separation of church and state”, what is this “equal access” she speaks of? Another concept she doesn’t understand.

391 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:50:33am

re: #381 Learned Pie Of Zion

Tesla was the better investor, but Edison had BETTER CORPORATE SPONSORS.

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Tesla was the better inventor largely because he had an actual education, whereas Edison had been home-schooled by his mother. Both were gifted men, but whereas Edison could only go by repeated trial-and-error and work with what little he actually understood, Tesla understood the mathematics necessary to make his inventions work. It’s why Edison hated AC so, as Tesla had made it work where he’d tried and failed. Not only made it work, but made it affordable to any and all.

392 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:51:30am

re: #387 Eclectic Cyborg

This really, REALLY pisses me off. $7 Gs is nothing to Wal-Mart. NOTHING

Wal-Mart still hasn’t paid $7000 fine for Black Friday trampling death in 2008

They should execute the judgment and foreclose on the store. : )

393 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:52:04am

re: #391 Targetpractice

Tesla was the better inventor largely because he had an actual education, whereas Edison had been home-schooled by his mother. Both were gifted men, but whereas Edison could only go by repeated trial-and-error and work with what little he actually understood, Tesla understood the mathematics necessary to make his inventions work. It’s why Edison hated AC so, as Tesla had made it work where he’d tried and failed. Not only made it work, but made it affordable to any and all.

There is an article at Cracked.com about how Edison and Ford conspired to ruin Tesla, and also Westinghouse. It’s firewalled here.

394 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:52:32am

Varek,

The latest GOP effort to drill, drill, drill (all while the nation is actually producing more fuels than it is importing), would coincidentally screw interested parties who want to object to proposed drilling - in other words conservationists and environmentalists, while giving a virtual green light to deep pocketed energy companies. Text of this bill is here.

To get the permit, all one needs is $6,500. Half that amount goes to the field office for processing all the associated paperwork, including to process protests, leases, and permits subject to appropriation (Section 111 (2)(E)(ii)).

In other words, the permit fee already covers the costs for processing the protests.

The protest fee would be $5,000 (half of which is used by the field office to process protests. That’s not an insignificant amount if you’re a NGO or nonprofit looking to protest the siting of an individual permit. But if an energy concern is doing dozens of these permits, it’s going to make it impossible for the nonprofit to protest them, which is precisely the point of imposing these fees.

Instead of putting the fiscal onus on the protestor, the applicant should pay more than $6,500 for the fee (which is chump change all things considered).

The existing law, which is at 30 USC 226(p)(2) makes no mention of any fees, either for the initial permit, or the protest fee.

395 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:52:43am

Tesla could really rock a moustache, too.

396 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:54:53am

re: #392 Justanotherhuman

They should execute the judgment and foreclose on the store. : )

Here’s a Walmart executive trying to CEOsplain why it’s NOT FAAAAAAIR:

OSHA wants to hold Walmart accountable for a standard that was neither proposed nor issued at the time of the incident,… The citation has far-reaching implications for the retail industry that could subject retailers to unfairly harsh penalties and restrictions on future sales promotions.

397 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:55:26am

Lol.

Thomas Edison. The “Wizard of Menlo Park.” Described as one of the “world’s most prolific inventors” with a record-breaking 1,093 patents to his name. You know, a guy could round up and kidnap a buttload of children and keep them forever, but would you call that guy the “world’s most prolific father?” No, of course not. A “soulless monster,” maybe. A “skilled thief,” if you’re being generous. Perhaps even the “King of Pop.” But you wouldn’t call that guy “the world’s most prolific father,” because those aren’t his kids. He stole them. Such is the case with Thomas Edison.

Sure, Cracked’s staunchly anti-Thomas Edison stance is already fairly well documented, but we’re afraid one article detailing what a prick this prick was just isn’t enough. Edison is still celebrated in schools across the country for inventing the light bulb, the motion picture, electricity and a shit-ton of other important crap he had very little to do with.

398 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:56:37am
restrictions on future sales promotions.

They want to sponsor a “Hunger Games” inspired event where customers hunt down and kill each other and TEH WINNER GETS TEH PLAYSTATION OR TEH XBOX!!!!!

399 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:56:40am

Boom!

400 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:57:19am

re: #397 Varek Raith

He is held up as an example of individual initiative and do-it-yourself spirit. Do not confuse us with facts, we are dealing with an icon.

401 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:57:30am

re: #396 Learned Pie Of Zion

Penalizing WalMart for someone being trampled to death on Black Friday at one of their stores would be a War on Christmas. //

402 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:57:42am

re: #396 Learned Pie Of Zion

Here’s a Walmart executive trying to CEOsplain why it’s NOT FAAAAAAIR:

What “standard”? Is that CEO-speak for not allowing the uncontrolled mob to trample people to death? They’re just trying to weasel out of having any kind of control over what happens on their property.

403 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:58:27am

Arizona: your priorities are screwed up.

404 erik_t  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:00:44am

re: #403 wrenchwench

Arizona: your priorities are screwed up.]

The Meth Lab of Democracy strikes again!

405 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:01:15am

[CNN]GOP BITTERLY OPPOSES CHANGE IN FILIBUSTER RULES [/CNN]

If they’re gonna be bitter anyway, best to give them something to be bitter about.

406 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:01:25am

re: #398 Learned Pie Of Zion

They want to sponsor a “Hunger Games” inspired event where customers hunt down and kill each other and TEH WINNER GETS TEH PLAYSTATION OR TEH XBOX!!!!!

Or a “Game of Thrones” inspired event where customers attack each other with swords and kill each other and any employees who get in their way and TEH WINNER GETS TEH PLAYSTATION OR TEH XBOX!!!!! (according to last night’s South Park)

407 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:02:32am

How about a Hobbit inspired one where customers have to slay orcs and goblins to get at a giant dragon that is guarding a PLAYSTATION?

408 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:02:45am

Anyway Walmart gets a super gold star from Bryan Fischer’s AFA for loving them some Christmas so don’t hold some little consumer’s death against them. Perspective, people. //

409 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:03:26am

re: #402 Justanotherhuman

What “standard”? Is that CEO-speak for not allowing the uncontrolled mob to trample people to death? They’re just trying to weasel out of having any kind of control over what happens on their property.

It’s BS. The “General Duty Clause” is fundamental to the OSHAct, and anyone who has seen a large crowd in motion knows its potential. See “Mecca, Haj”.

410 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:05:09am

re: #408 Bulworth

Anyway Walmart gets a super gold star from Bryan Fischer’s AFA for loving them some Christmas so don’t hold some little consumer’s death against them. Perspective, people. //

To clarify, this is the death of an employee, thus under OSHA administrative law. A customer would put WM in the criminal/civil liability courts.

411 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:06:15am

re: #407 Sol Berdinowitz

How about a Hobbit inspired one where customers have to slay orcs and goblins to get at a giant dragon that is guarding a PLAYSTATION?

The associates are assigned to dress up as orcs and goblins, and 2 associates wear the dragon suit. ASSOCIATES WHO DO NOT JOIN IN THE FUN WILL BE WRITTEN UP.

412 piratedan  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:07:04am

re: #403 wrenchwench

Arizona: your priorities are screwed up.

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goes hand in hand with Sheriff Joe not investigating sexual assault complaints in his jurisdiction. Selective enforcement protocols in place,

413 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:07:26am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

It’s BS. The “General Duty Clause” is fundamental to the OSHAct, and anyone who has seen a large crowd in motion knows its potential. See “Mecca, Haj”.

Also too: “Festival seating”

414 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:08:06am

re: #410 Decatur Deb

To clarify, this is the death of an employee, thus under OSHA administrative law. A customer would put WM in the criminal/civil liability courts.

Yeah, for Bryan, worker-killing crowds are even better. The guy deserved it for not getting out of the way.

415 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:11:45am

BBL

416 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:14:37am

re: #369 Mattand

Most Americans see “freedom of religion” as “freedom to practice Christianity only, every other heathen can go fuck themselves.”

That includes Scalia.

417 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:22:03am

re: #403 wrenchwench

Arizona: your priorities are screwed up.

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And how many so-called “Pro life” people will be getting onboard for this cause?

418 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:29:50am

re: #407 Sol Berdinowitz

How about a Hobbit inspired one where customers have to slay orcs and goblins to get at a giant dragon that is guarding a PLAYSTATION?

Nah…..

Best solution for Wal-Mart Black Friday:

Battle Royale.

419 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 10:57:14am

re: #245 Internet Tough Guy

“Genie, Prodigy and Compuserve forums”

Prole. Real Internets were on USENET on VT100 terminals.

Teletype


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