How I Figured Out That Lee Harvey Oswald Killed JFK

by Marc Ambinder
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How I figured out that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK
by Marc Ambinder

Confession: I am a JFK assassination buff. I never much liked the term, but it describes me well. I’ve read just about every book ever published on the assassination, watched every documentary, mock trial, and dramatization. And for a long time, until about 14 years ago, I was a conspiracy theory believer. Too many loose ends. Too many coincidences of propinquity. And since I had no understanding of physics, or ballistics, or medicine, or of the world, really, I was fascinated with Oliver Stone’s enormously influential JFK. I remember writing somewhere, and bear in mind I was 14 at the time, that the third act scene with “Mr. X” was one of the most dramatic moments in modern film history. That might have been true to a kid who hadn’t scene many movies and who had no idea how awful New Orleans prosecutor Jim Garrison actually was, or how utterly absurd his theories were.

Lee Harvey Oswald

A year later, the day that Gerald Posner’s Case Closed came out, I remember sitting in my high school library waiting for my chance to page through U.S News and World Report, which was serializing the chapter on the “single bullet.” I was nervous. Part of me didn’t want to read a book that concluded something that was precisely the opposite of what I believed. But, clearly, I wasn’t totally convinced, because I wanted to read it in the first place.

I took the magazine and began to read. I can pinpoint the moment when my blinders came off, when my childhood assassination conspiracy fantasies dissolved. Posner pointed out that (a) the president’s row of seats inside the presidential limousine were built to be higher than the row of seats where Gov. John Connally and his wife Nellie would sit; and (b) all the photographs of the motorcade entering Dealy Plaza showed Connally sitting closer to Nellie, away from the edge of the car.

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247 comments
1 HoosierHoops  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 8:54:25pm

Gus..We need to reconnect..Soon..
Fuck..How many years have we known each other? In a few weeks I’m moving to a nice Lakeside Cabin at Lake Tomahawk that sleeps 8. You have been living in shit houses for years..Come visit you will never leave…All my family and fiends are set up so Winston and I will be kicking back in paradise alone and thought you might want to visit. We have heat and It should be fun my brother.. You have nothing to lose.. How do we reconnect again? I can’t wait to buy a shitload of food this winter and prepare for the spring…I’m bribing Paulie to open a Cafe during the tourist season here at the Lake..He is a great cook and the need is great..You’d have fun joining us
ping me

2 teleskiguy  Thu, Nov 21, 2013 9:02:09pm

The first five minutes of this YouTube clinched it for me years ago. And I was an “assassination buff” at kind of an early age and can remember doing a presentation for my 6th grade class on the 30th anniversary of the killing.

I know, I’m dating myself.

Those that were cognizant on 22 Nov. 1963, what were you doing when you found out?

3 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:05:56am

re: #1 HoosierHoops

Gus..We need to reconnect..Soon..
Fuck..How many years have we known each other? In a few weeks I’m moving to a nice Lakeside Cabin at Lake Tomahawk that sleeps 8. You have been living in shit houses for years..Come visit you will never leave…All my family and fiends are set up so Winston and I will be kicking back in paradise alone and thought you might want to visit. We have heat and It should be fun my brother.. You have nothing to lose.. How do we reconnect again? I can’t wait to buy a shitload of food this winter and prepare for the spring…I’m bribing Paulie to open a Cafe during the tourist season here at the Lake..He is a great cook and the need is great..You’d have fun joining us
ping me

OK Hoops. Thanks! I’ll send you a DM later after I get some more antifreeze in me. Coffee to be precise.

4 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:45:16pm

So, Gus, who do you work for - CIA, NSA, DIA? Why are you trying to keep the truth from the American people? Are you former KGB? For all we know, you could be Cuban.

5 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:45:29pm

There’s so much JFK all over the media and blogs (a bit too much, IMO) that I admit I’ve been kind of meh about the idea of posting something, but this is a good one to promote!

6 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:49:31pm

AP tells us:

JFK conspiracy theorists gather in Dallas

Conspiracy theorists are among those gathering in Dallas as the city marks the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

About 400 academics and history buffs are gathering at the annual JFK Lancer conference held down the street from Dealey Plaza. Debora Conway founded the JFK Lancer conference nearly two decades ago. She compares study of alternate assassination theories to archaeology, saying “We still dig up bones in the sand.”

Attendees planned to watch the official ceremony on screens at the conference hotel.

Also meeting are members of the Coalition on Political Assassinations. Executive director John Judge planned a ceremony at Dealey Plaza Friday afternoon. Members wore shirts depicting Kennedy’s head shot with a bullet on a half-dollar coin.

And guess who also showed up:

‘No More Lies!’: Alex Jones Leads JFK Conspiracy Theorists Rally in Dallas

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:51:07pm
8 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:53:17pm

Sorry Gus, this post is incorrect.
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9 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:54:12pm

Of course, just in time:

JFK Assassination: New Motorcade Footage Could Challenge Lone-Gunman Theory (Exclusive)

A Hollywood producer believes the footage may support John Kerry and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s comments doubting that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone

In a development that could shed new light on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a Hollywood movie producer is shopping new, long-hidden footage of JFK’s Dallas motorcade which the producer believes may support the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t act alone, TheWrap has learned.

Stephen Bowen is a successful Texas-based real estate developer who is a principal at Waterstone Entertainment, represented by the Gersh Agency. Bowen acquired the footage from a local Houston television news producer who has held it for more than 40 years, according to an individual involved in the deal. Bowen decided the 50th anniversary of JFK’s death was a good time to bring it to market.

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10 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:56:15pm

Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole shooter. All else is crap. I don’t believe the Secret Service Agent fired a shot either.

Pending far better info than has come out so far. 1200 documents still secret, but I expect nothing substantial as to who shot.

11 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 1:58:49pm

Most poignant photo tweeted today:

12 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:00:54pm

MM strikes back at the co-opting trend:

Historians: Right-Wing Media Claims Of A Conservative JFK Are “Silly” And “Ludicrous”

Historians are throwing cold water on conservatives’ “fundamentally ludicrous” attempts to co-opt John F. Kennedy’s legacy on the 50th anniversary of his assassination.

In recent days, several conservative media figures — including Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Chris Wallace — have suggested that if Kennedy were alive today, his views would align with conservatives and the Tea Party. But in interviews with Media Matters historians dismissed these claims as “silly” and “bunk.”

“It shows me that John F. Kennedy’s legacy is so powerful that even those who stand for everything he stood against want to claim his legacy,” said Sean Wilentz, professor of history at Princeton University. As for the right-wing pundits’ view of a right-wing JFK? “It’s bunk,” says Wilentz. “John F. Kennedy embraced liberalism. He called himself a liberal, he was grateful to get the nomination of the Liberal Party of New York State. He ran on the liberal line.”

[…]

Silly indeed. I have no doubt that if someone was to tell JFK 51 years ago that in the year 2013 gay marriage would be available in many states, that women can get abortions legally, etc., that he (JFK) may have found that even too much change for himself. However, there is no doubt that JFK was one of those educated east coast elitists for which the tea partiers have so much disdain.

13 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:01:26pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

Most poignant photo tweeted today:

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The picture of LBJ being sworn in on Air Force One always gets me.LBJ looking glum, Lady Bird looking stern, and Jackie just looking so sad and lost.

14 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:01:49pm

re: #9 freetoken

Of course, just in time:

JFK Assassination: New Motorcade Footage Could Challenge Lone-Gunman Theory (Exclusive)

“A Hollywood producer believes the footage may support John Kerry and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s comments doubting that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone

Hell, I’m not sure my dog is acting alone.

For the record:

JFK—Packing boxes in a Garment District warehouse.
MLK—Making refrigerators on a Louisville assembly line.
RFK—Same damn assembly line.

15 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:02:28pm


Fuck the doubters. John Kerry picked up where Hillary Clinton left off and appears to be getting shit done.

16 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:04:08pm

re: #15 darthstar

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Fuck the doubters. John Kerry picked up where Hillary Clinton left off and appears to be getting shit done.

And the final deal will be declared “insufficient” and Obama totally wrong for embracing it instead of going forward with more saber rattling.

17 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:04:15pm

Got off work early because it was a slow day, just ran the updater and an hour out from the ESO beta.

18 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:04:27pm

I went to school with David Belin’s son, but not the one mentioned in this article.

The Warren Commission’s Sioux City connection

David Belin came to his son’s school and gave a talk. It was kinda cool.

19 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:05:12pm

re: #15 darthstar

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Fuck the doubters. John Kerry picked up where Hillary Clinton left off and appears to be getting shit done.

Let’s hope “close to” turns into “arrived at”, because I’m getting tired of the ‘Bomb Iran’ contingent and my aging hippy brother who insists Obama really wants to bomb Iran, just like he really wanted to bomb Syria.

Mind you, he’s pretty much shut up about Syria.

20 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:05:31pm

I like to think of JFK like this.

JFK on the Separation of Church and State
Youtube Video

21 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:05:58pm

re: #17 Kragar

Got off work early because it was a slow day, just ran the updater and an hour out from the ESO beta.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

//

22 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:06:27pm
23 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:07:38pm

re: #6 freetoken

‘No More Lies!’: Alex Jones Leads JFK Conspiracy Theorists Rally in Dallas

“… and with that, Alex Jones vanished in a puff of truth.”

24 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:08:21pm

re: #22 Lidane

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If the Assassination Marketplace ever becomes real, it’s going to be a goldmine—for the federal alphabet agencies.

25 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:09:18pm

re: #4 freetoken

So, Gus, who do you work for - CIA, NSA, DIA? Why are you trying to keep the truth from the American people? Are you former KGB? For all we know, you could be Cuban.

Probably a Canadian, they get their fingers into everything

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:11:44pm

I’m not, not ever have been, a JFK conspiracy theorist, but at the linked article, I have a confusion.

Ambinder first says this:

The trajectory of a bullet fired from the Texas School Book Depository absolutely could have entered JFK’s upper back, exited his throat, and tumbled through the governor, lodging, finally, in his leg.

Then he says:

What about the famous horrific snapping back of the president’s head right after a bullet tore through his skull? Actually, his head gets pushed forward, violently, before it snaps back, both of which are entirely consistent with a shot entering the occiput and existing above the right ear, blowing out brain tissue.

Add that to the egregious typos scattered throughout, I have to wonder if there are any editors at “The Week”.

Or am I just missing something in what he’s saying?

27 Schadenboner  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:14:54pm

This is back-of-envelope bullshit, so take in in that spirit, but (because I know you’ve all been waiting breathlessly for it!) here are my 2 cents on why conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination persist (which, by the time I finish typing this, I’m sure will no longer be germane to the ongoing discussion):

The reason for the durability of the conspiracy theories on JFK’s assassination is because it happens just as the last gasps of modernism and the meta-narrative run out of steam in America.

After him came the proper 1960’s (which, as someone put it in Triumph of the Nerds, didn’t *really* happen until the 1970’s). This is when individualism and hyphenation finally ended the fiction of a single America (and do note that I’m not, in any way, saying that this was bad or that the myth of a single America was good. Ask blacks/gays/jews how they feel about the breakup of the single America and you’ll get a very different answer from asking a straight WASP, and the fact that question is even askable shows how thorough this breakup of the single America is).

Lee Harvey Oswald brought post-modernity with the cracking report of an Italian rifle.

At the time we didn’t want to accept that a single man can do that much damage so we constructed narratives around LHO, he *must* have been acting as part of a meta-narrative, right? But he wasn’t. He showed just how easily a meta-narrative can be shattered by one person with a grudge and a gun. And the story of politics in the 50 years since has been the politics of individuals not of masses. A single man Osama Bin Laden or Tim McVey or David Koresh or (whomever) not Der Wehrmacht (or even The Soviets after 1989) were our new faces of elemental evil.

As to why the conspiracy theories continue I blame that on the length of time they have been around for, aided and abetted (perhaps) by the very individualism and anti-authority-ism (?) that the Proper 1960’s brought into the American consciousnesses.

Like I said, this is just back of the envelope bullshit I’ve come up with over the last little bit. Too long for Twitter and I don’t have a blog so you guys get to suffer (or just ignore it).

28 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:15:41pm

re: #6 freetoken

I lived in Dallas for many, many years and I can tell you there are ALWAYS conspiracy theorists congregated at Dealey Plaza. Don’t make eye contact, or you’ll be subjected to laminated posters of bullet trajectories or badgered to buy a self-published book with The Truth About That Day.

29 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:23:08pm

I don’t know why people get so exercised about ‘Who shot JFK?”

They have the Comedian on film just after he took the shot.

30 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:23:59pm

re: #15 darthstar

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Fuck the doubters. John Kerry picked up where Hillary Clinton left off and appears to be getting shit done.

Not to diss Clinton or Kerry!

It’s all baloney until the IAEA goes through Iran and installs cameras, gets no notice inspection rights etc etc.

31 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:25:42pm

re: #29 Romantic Heretic

I don’t know why people get so exercised about ‘Who shot JFK?”

They have the Comedian on film just after he took the shot.

Smoking Man.

32 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:26:14pm

re: #1 HoosierHoops

Gus..We need to reconnect..Soon..
Fuck..How many years have we known each other? In a few weeks I’m moving to a nice Lakeside Cabin at Lake Tomahawk that sleeps 8. You have been living in shit houses for years..Come visit you will never leave…All my family and fiends are set up so Winston and I will be kicking back in paradise alone and thought you might want to visit. We have heat and It should be fun my brother.. You have nothing to lose.. How do we reconnect again? I can’t wait to buy a shitload of food this winter and prepare for the spring…I’m bribing Paulie to open a Cafe during the tourist season here at the Lake..He is a great cook and the need is great..You’d have fun joining us
ping me

Mmmm.. Wrote this last night to Gus..How it ended up here who Knows?
My offer stands Gus..Come visit you’ll never want to leave. We are going to open a Cafe’ in Paradise as a project and something to do with food.
Top secret project for 2 guys that love food and don’t want to work in the rat race anymore. I’ve been talking to the local meat market already for our beef. You’ll fit right in Gus. Blogging, cooking, Fishing from the North Woods dude..LOL. Ok. Ok.. I really don’t know how to fish like my buddies but I love to drive the boat for hours stopping at different towns for a beer.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:26:23pm

re: #12 freetoken

MM strikes back at the co-opting trend:

Historians: Right-Wing Media Claims Of A Conservative JFK Are “Silly” And “Ludicrous”

Silly indeed. I have no doubt that if someone was to tell JFK 51 years ago that in the year 2013 gay marriage would be available in many states, that women can get abortions legally, etc., that he (JFK) may have found that even too much change for himself. However, there is no doubt that JFK was one of those educated east coast elitists for which the tea partiers have so much disdain.

What rubbish. The only way in which JFK resembled any conservative was in being a hard-fisted Cold Warrior who didn’t take crap from the Russians. Even that has passed into history now that conservatives are cozier with the Kremlin than any American liberal, socialist, or even most American communists ever thought about being.

34 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:29:46pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was hit twice. Is that what you’re missing? Other than that, no, I doubt The Week has editors. I don’t think many publications do anymore, to be honest.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:31:31pm

re: #34 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He was hit twice. Is that what you’re missing? Other than that, no, I doubt The Week has editors. I don’t think many publications do anymore, to be honest.

Thank you, yes.

36 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:32:14pm

BTW.. I came in 15 minutes ago from chipping ice off my car..Ice still is falling from the sky so you must keep up with it..
As I was chipping ice away the church bells from the Campus was ringing out for miles because of the Kennedy assassination.
It was beautiful music that calmed the air…Rest in peace Mr. President

37 dog philosopher  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:35:48pm

single bullet or whatever, my question about oswald shooting jfk is this:

why?

38 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:37:05pm

Afternoon Lizardim. This article actually resonated a bit with me; when I was 17, I wrote a research paper for my senior English class that was based around Jim Marrs’s conspiracy fiction on the JFK assassination. I got a good grade on it and the teacher said it really made him think. I’m almost ashamed to admit that I wrote it now, or that I had such beliefs, but at 17 and having been sheltered under a rather powerful delusional bubble my whole life, my critical thinking skills weren’t exactly razor-sharp. Facts have a way of coming around if you’re not entirely closed-minded, though. How go things among the lizardfolk?

39 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:37:59pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not, not ever have been, a JFK conspiracy theorist, but at the linked article, I have a confusion.

Ambinder first says this:

Then he says:

Add that to the egregious typos scattered throughout, I have to wonder if there are any editors at “The Week”.

Or am I just missing something in what he’s saying?

Kennedy was hit twice. The first hit him in the neck and exited the throat. The second hit him in the head.

40 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:40:49pm

re: #37 dog philosopher

single bullet or whatever, my question about oswald shooting jfk is this:

why?

It depends. The real world explanation would most likely be he was a nut who wanted to make his mark. Revisionists like Oliver Stone believe that Kennedy was a pacifist being forced into anti-communist policy by the military industrial complex, they feared him so much they killed him.

41 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:41:48pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

Not to diss Clinton or Kerry!

It’s all baloney until the IAEA goes through Iran and installs cameras, gets no notice inspection rights etc etc.

Why?

No seriously, why?

See, I see this proposed and it tells me that you haven’t actually walked through the logistics of hiding … whatever it is you think they’re hiding.

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:42:21pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

BTW.. I came in 15 minutes ago from chipping ice off my car..Ice still is falling from the sky so you must keep up with it..
As I was chipping ice away the church bells from the Campus was ringing out for miles because of the Kennedy assassination.
It was beautiful music that calmed the air…Rest in peace Mr. President

I live a couple blocks away from a church and it’s always nice to hear the bells. Any closer and it might not be so nice.

43 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:42:41pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

What rubbish. The only way in which JFK resembled any conservative was in being a hard-fisted Cold Warrior who didn’t take crap from the Russians. Even that has passed into history now that conservatives are cozier with the Kremlin than any American liberal, socialist, or even most American communists ever thought about being.

Yeah. Jesus - could you ever have imagined the Republicans of yore pining to be ruled by an ex-KGB spook?

44 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:43:59pm

re: #43 GeneJockey

Yeah. Jesus - could you ever have imagined the Republicans of yore pining to be ruled by an ex-KGB spook?

Red Foreman would like to shove his foot up their ass.

45 EmmaAnne  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:45:37pm

re: #22 Lidane

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Oh, honestly. No presidents have been assassinated in recent years because the secret service has gotten really, really good at their jobs. They don’t publicize their methods for obvious reasons, but just the stuff you can see - guarding all the sight lines and such - is way beyond what they could do in 1963.

46 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:45:42pm

re: #12 freetoken

MM strikes back at the co-opting trend:

Historians: Right-Wing Media Claims Of A Conservative JFK Are “Silly” And “Ludicrous”

Silly indeed. I have no doubt that if someone was to tell JFK 51 years ago that in the year 2013 gay marriage would be available in many states, that women can get abortions legally, etc., that he (JFK) may have found that even too much change for himself. However, there is no doubt that JFK was one of those educated east coast elitists for which the tea partiers have so much disdain.

There was absolutely nothing that would point to Kennedy being a social conservative. His statements on the separation of church and state, his support for civil and voting rights for minorities and women, as well the creation of the Peace Corps and other social programs just for starters bear this out.

Case in point: The John BIrchers, fundamentalist Christians and Dixiecrats all DESPISED JFK.

47 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:52:16pm

re: #45 EmmaAnne

Oh, honestly. No presidents have been assassinated in recent years because the secret service has gotten really, really good at their jobs. They don’t publicize their methods for obvious reasons, but just the stuff you can see - guarding all the sight lines and such - is way beyond what they could do in 1963.

Reagan wasn’t assassinated because there are some very good doctors in DC.

48 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:52:41pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Red Foreman would like to shove his foot up their ass.

Funny thing is, the same folks saying “McCarthy was RIGHT!” are posting shirtless pics of Putin, wishing they had HIM for a President.

49 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:53:41pm

Uh oh, here come the French
French FM to join Iran nuclear talks: diplomatic source

It’ll be interesting to se what the French think of the deal.

50 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:53:56pm

re: #48 GeneJockey

Funny thing is, the same folks saying “McCarthy was RIGHT!” are posting shirtless pics of Putin, wishing they had HIM for a President.

Well, in their minds, they’d be trading our black Communist for their white Communist. Clear upgrade.

51 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:55:16pm

Rush Limbaugh uses rape analogy on filibuster

Eventually right wingers will finally realize that they should mention RAPE…just hope it isn’t until after the midterm elections!

52 GeneJockey  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:55:36pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Reagan wasn’t assassinated because there are some very good doctors in DC.

That and Hinckley used a .22.

53 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:57:06pm

re: #45 EmmaAnne

Oh, honestly. No presidents have been assassinated in recent years because the secret service has gotten really, really good at their jobs. They don’t publicize their methods for obvious reasons, but just the stuff you can see - guarding all the sight lines and such - is way beyond what they could do in 1963.

It’s amazing how good those secret service guys are. I’m really surprised there haven’t been accidents involving idiots from Code Pink, glitter bombers, shoe throwers or dummies who want to make citizens arrests of Cheney, or whatever. Protesters don’t really seem to understand how close to death they are attempting to mess with politicians.

54 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:57:18pm

re: #52 GeneJockey

That and Hinckley used a .22.

Lots of work/luck:

en.wikipedia.org

55 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 2:57:30pm

re: #51 bratwurst

But IOKIYAR

LIMBAUGH: If the Senate Republicans are not prepared to end the unprecedented use by Senate Democrats of the filibuster rule against the president’s judicial nominees, the president is going to have a real tough time getting these re-nominated candidates — and for that matter — Supreme Court nominees confirmed. This filibuster, as you know, they’re filibustering these nominations which requires essentially 60 votes for a judge to be confirmed. The Constitution says nothing about this. The Constitution says simple majority, 51 votes. But because they’re invoking the filibuster, which, you know, the Senate can make up its own rules but not when they impose on the Constitution and not when they impose on the legislative branch. Separation of powers here. But if nobody stops them, they’re going to keep getting away with it. It’s up to the Senate Republicans to stop them.

56 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:00:21pm
57 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:01:09pm

re: #41 kirkspencer

The IAEA has a respected effective regime. Anything short of that may miss significant facilities or work, and the stronger the inspection regime is the less reason Israel or any suspicious parties like the Saudis has to bitch or… worse.

58 dog philosopher  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:01:24pm

re: #50 thedopefishlives

Well, in their minds, they’d be trading our black Communist for their white Communist. Clear upgrade.

but putin isn’t a communist anymore

now he’s just an ‘authoritarian’

59 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:01:31pm

Meanwhile, outside our own species:

Peter Singer and David Brin to speak at animal personhood conference

The idea that some animals should be designated legal persons — and not just property — is starting to gain some serious traction. Already today, India has, at least in principle, named dolphins as persons and banned their inclusion into aquatic theme parks. The IEET’s Rights of the Nonhuman Persons program — a program that I founded and currently chair — seeks to do much more. We’d like to see not just dolphins, but whales, elephants, and all great apes given the same consideration — and not just in principle; the only way to truly protect highly sapient animals from such things as undue confinement and experimentation is to grant them the status that they truly deserve, which is that of the person.

60 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:02:28pm

re: #58 dog philosopher

but putin isn’t a communist anymore

now he’s just an ‘authoritarian’

Key phrase: “In their minds”. Obama isn’t a Communist either.

61 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:02:48pm

Cold as a bear’s ass here in the woods, with a major ice storm in progress. A friend in Lubbock tells me they have the same, only worse. It’s 28 degrees right now but seems much colder because of the wind. Supposed to be in the teens tonight. If you live anywhere in north Texas and you have a brass monkey, be sure to get him inside.

62 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:03:43pm

re: #22 Lidane

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The reason that there hasn’t been a successful assassination of an American president since JFK is a combination of a huge ramp-up of security, and more than a little bit of good luck.

The only post-JFK president who did not have an attempt made on his life during his term in office was Lyndon Johnson - all others had at least two each. Some of these attempts were very close to being successful - only a jammed gun prevented Gerald Ford from being shot, and a crack medical team saving Ronald Reagan’s life after he and several of his entourage were hit by multiple gunshots.

It should also be mentioned that there have been successful (Robert Kennedy), and near-successful (George Wallace) assassinations of presidential candidates after JFK as well.

63 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:04:11pm
64 ObserverArt  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:06:24pm

Secret Service story. Many years back, a friends car died and he needed to pick up his wife at work. She was on the cook staff at a Hyatt downtown. I drove into the back of the building on a back street and no sooner did I stop and turn off the car to wait with my friend, a slew off dark colored, mostly black sedans come rushing all around my car.

Dudes jumped out and took positions all along the back of the hotel. One guy staring my friend and I down. My buddy rolled the window down and yelled…waiting on my wife, she works here. Dude nodded, but kept looking around and back at us. Then a big Cadillac limo whips in with a couple others right behind. Ex-president Bush (just out of office) and a few other big wigs jumped out and made their way into the hotel. Later we learned it was a big Republican fund raiser and the ex-Pres was the main speaker that night. It was scary and cool all at the same time. All told, it took maybe 5 minutes. Bush was inside, all the cars rolled out and it was over.

65 dog philosopher  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:06:59pm

re: #60 thedopefishlives

Key phrase: “In their minds”. Obama isn’t a Communist either.

but i think they like the putin because in their minds he’s not associated with communism anymore, so they’re free to admire in him the characteristics that right wingers really like in leaders: authoritarian wielding of state power to force through the policies they like

all this right wing talk about how much they hate the power of the state is the opposite of the truth

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:07:22pm

re: #57 Political Atheist

The IAEA has a respected effective regime. Anything short of that may miss significant facilities or work, and the stronger the inspection regime is the less reason Israel or any suspicious parties like the Saudis has to bitch or… worse.

One of the indicators will be how open Iran will be about its past activities. They have been testing detonators and other stuff that could only be bomb related. If they have genuinely changed their minds about working on a bomb we need to know how far their research went. If they don’t come clean about their past, they’re probably just buying time.

67 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:07:35pm

re: #57 Political Atheist

The IAEA has a respected effective regime. Anything short of that may miss significant facilities or work, and the stronger the inspection regime is the less reason Israel or any suspicious parties like the Saudis has to bitch or… worse.

The respected effective regime does not include zero warning inspections and cameras everywhere. It’s only being demanded for Iran.

68 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:07:54pm

And so far, 6 minutes into the Beta and the logon isn’t connecting

TOTAL FAILURE! DISMANTLE THE WHOLE THING!

69 dr. klys  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:08:23pm

Some footage from the tornado that struck Washington, IL. Warning: language is probably NSFW, and the initial audio can be *loud*, depending on your settings. It is worth listening to when you get a chance, however.

Youtube Video

70 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:11:14pm

re: #17 Kragar

Got off work early because it was a slow day, just ran the updater and an hour out from the ESO beta.

Have to ask - is the Elder Scrolls Online beta an open one? I’ve been desperately looking for a good MMO for the better part of a year now.

71 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:11:22pm

re: #68 Kragar

And so far, 6 minutes into the Beta and the logon isn’t connecting

TOTAL FAILURE! DISMANTLE THE WHOLE THING!

The experiment called the internet is a failure. We should shut the whole thing down and put it in boxes.

72 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:11:49pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators will be how open Iran will be about its past activities. They have been testing detonators and other stuff that could only be bomb related. If they have genuinely changed their minds about working on a bomb we need to know how far their research went. If they don’t come clean about their past, they’re probably just buying time.

documentation?

See, the only thing of which I knew about building detonators was the claim of such action at Parchin. However, when investigation was made there was no evidence — and the claims that the reason for no evidence was that the radioactive earth was removed fails to explain why the walls weren’t radioactive.

There’s this constant drumbeat that says Iran is making nukes, but which turns out to replicate the claims Iraq was doing so in 2002. The evidence is testimony from informers who turn out to have major agendas, claims the IAEA is being bamboozled, and hard evidence that turns out to not be hard at all.

73 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:11:55pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

One of the indicators will be how open Iran will be about its past activities. They have been testing detonators and other stuff that could only be bomb related. If they have genuinely changed their minds about working on a bomb we need to know how far their research went. If they don’t come clean about their past, they’re probably just buying time.

Well. Remember the powerful actions the world took after North Korea actually detonated one or two?

Me neither.

Nuclear non proliferation is a life or death challenge to civilization. We need only get it wrong once.

74 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:12:08pm

re: #70 RadicalModerate

Have to ask - is the Elder Scrolls Online beta an open one? I’ve been desperately looking for a good MMO for the better part of a year now.

No, closed Beta right now. They’re calling for a Spring release.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:14:11pm
76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:15:29pm

hey, Kragar! My youngest sister also got the invite for ESO beta testing.
Guess we won’t be hearing from her for a while…

77 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:16:59pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

With blood on her skirt?

78 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:17:40pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

With blood on her skirt?

I believe it is.

79 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:18:18pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey, Kragar! My youngest sister also got the invite for ESO beta testing.
Guess we won’t be hearing from her for a while…

Looks like lots of server issues right now.

Going to give it an hour or so and try again then.

80 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:20:04pm
81 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:21:29pm

ARGH. Spent five hours of my life on Tuesday running a job interview gauntlet. I did pretty well, but in the end they decided I was better suited for a role that’s not here in Austin yet.

Today I got the mechanical “we’re moving forward with other candidates” call, even though I knew that already. A follow-up email asking about that other role got me a response that as soon as anything changes they’d be glad to have that conversation, but I could keep an eye on their website for any openings, since they’re rapidly expanding and anything could change. Blargh.

Back to the LinkedIn application grind. *sigh*

82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:22:02pm

re: #69 dr. klys

Some footage from the tornado that struck Washington, IL. Warning: language is probably NSFW, and the initial audio can be *loud*, depending on your settings. It is worth listening to when you get a chance, however.

[Embedded content]

hubs got home from Kokomo, IN, last night. Kokomo didn’t get hit as hard as Washington,IL, but he said it was heart-breaking.
In local news…he bought a new wellpump today and has been fighting it ever since. Best guess is that a pipe is cracked somewhere.
I sooooo want to get rid of this homebrew chamber pot that I’ve been using since Sunday…not to mention be able to wash dishes and do laundry (thought I would NEVER look forward to those last two chores…)

83 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:22:31pm

re: #73 Political Atheist

Well. Remember the powerful actions the world took after North Korea actually detonated one or two?

Me neither.

Nuclear non proliferation is a life or death challenge to civilization. We need only get it wrong once.

I don’t think policy of non-proliferation is going to be around much longer, everyone knows the penalties for developing nukes are fairly minimal if they can withstand a period of economic sanctions. Pakistan went unpunished for AQ Kahn. If Iran gets a weapon (or is allowed to work towards one) other countries are going to want them. Saudis are already talking about moving in that direction. It’s probably inevitable.

84 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:24:01pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I don’t think policy of non-proliferation is going to be around much longer, everyone knows the penalties for developing nukes are fairly minimal if they can withstand a period of economic sanctions. Pakistan went unpunished for AQ Kahn. If Iran gets a weapon (or is allowed to work towards one) other countries are going to want them. Saudis are already talking about moving in that direction. It’s probably inevitable.

Drake equation bottleneck.

85 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:24:44pm

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bomb Iran!

86 dog philosopher  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:24:55pm

re: #71 darthstar

The experiment called the internet is a failure. We should shut the whole thing down and put it in boxes.

now that we’ve proven that, we can be sure that in the next election the 21st century will be thrown out of office and replaced with the 19th

87 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:25:50pm

re: #86 dog philosopher

now that we’ve proven that, we can be sure that in the next election the 21st century will be thrown out of office and replaced with the 19th

This time we’ll do it the steampunk way.

88 thedopefishlives  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:27:24pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

hubs got home from Kokomo, IN, last night. Kokomo didn’t get hit as hard as Washington,IL, but he said it was heart-breaking.

Yeah. Mom hasn’t sent any pictures. I’m not sure I want to see them.

89 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:30:02pm

I get to the loading screen and my daughter says “Don’t freeze.”

So of course, it freezes.

Why would she do such a thing?

90 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:30:24pm

re: #89 Kragar

I get to the loading screen and my daughter says “Don’t freeze.”

So of course, it freezes.

Why would she do such a thing?

She’s eeevil.

91 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:31:34pm

Dead thread trolls are such a weird phenomenon. Needing to post the last comment on an old thread is something I just don’t understand.

These days it’s the “STOP WATCHING ME” people who do it all the time.

92 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:32:18pm

If you post the last comment days after everyone else has moved on, it means you win.

93 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:32:23pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Yes.

94 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:32:36pm

So the thread below states that Charles is quite literally demon-posessed. I guess he is definitely become relevant.

you?

95 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:32:49pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

If you post the last comment days after everyone else has moved on, it means you win.

LAST!

96 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:33:13pm

re: #95 darthstar

LAST!

Never mind…this thread’s still very much alive.

97 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:33:20pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

Dead thread trolls are such a weird phenomenon. Needing to post the last comment on an old thread is something I just don’t understand.

These days it’s the “STOP WATCHING ME” people who do it all the time.

Well it is slightly less annoying than “FIRST!”, isn’t it?

98 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:34:02pm

That’s a good way to make sure no one is watching you. Post a comment on an old thread about to be closed. Nobody will see it. Mission accomplished.

99 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:34:32pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

The first five minutes of this YouTube clinched it for me years ago. And I was an “assassination buff” at kind of an early age and can remember doing a presentation for my 6th grade class on the 30th anniversary of the killing.

I know, I’m dating myself.

Those that were cognizant on 22 Nov. 1963, what were you doing when you found out?

I was in kindergarten. The teacher made a somber announcement and we were sent home (everyone I knew had a stay - at - home mom). I remember watching the news that afternoon but I don’t know if that was at home or in school.

100 dog philosopher  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:35:45pm

re: #96 darthstar

Never mind…this thread’s still very much alive.

no it isn’t

If you hadn’t nailed it to the perch, it would be pushing up daisies

101 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:40:36pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

This time we’ll do it the steampunk way.

Superfluous gears for all!

102 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:41:36pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

This time we’ll do it the steampunk way.

I want to ride on a zeppelin.

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:43:51pm

Robert Caro’s Passage to Power gives a very good account of the assasination and it’s aftermath.

IMHO, this author —anything by this author should be required reading.

104 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:47:21pm


Check out the rest on her timeline.

105 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:48:26pm
In its September survey of attitudes and experiences of teens and adults with domestic violence and sexual assault, the organization NOMORE found that while more than 50% of Americans know a domestic-violence victim, there is dismally low discussion of the problem.

Two-thirds of Americans have never even raised the issue of domestic violence with a friend. Why aren’t we talking more about our city’s leading cause of murders of women?

Domestic abuse is not a private matter; it’s a crime. We must start making it our business.

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106 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:49:19pm

I am consoling myself by baking. Tonight, it’s all about the key lime squares. Om nom nom.

107 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:49:49pm

re: #100 dog philosopher

no it isn’t

If you hadn’t nailed it to the perch, it would be pushing up daisies

just pining for the fjords!

108 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:50:28pm

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

I want to ride on a zeppelin.

Filled with H not He

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:51:21pm

re: #108 b_sharp

Filled with H not He

If it was He we would just be laughing and laughing and laughing…

110 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:53:15pm

Well, I was an adult when Kennedy was assassinated by Oswald. I never believed it was anyone different. A lot of people tried to second-guess the Warren Commission, but I never did, even though I read counter-arguments against the “lone” gunman, Oswald.

Oswald’s activities prior to the shooting seemed to indicate that he was a confused and troubled individual, in every aspect of his life, and it wasn’t hard for me to believe that he simply wanted to fix his place in history.

If Jack Ruby hadn’t shot him 2 days later (an event I witnessed, along with millions of others), I don’t think the story of Oswald’s actions would have changed whatsoever. Both men, in my view, framed themselves in infamy.

111 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:55:31pm

USAF Pipe Band reprising their play of The Mist-Covered Mountains as played at the JFK burial. Some of the pipers seem to be veterans of the original.

Youtube Video

112 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 3:55:55pm

re: #106 Lidane

I am consoling myself by baking. Tonight, it’s all about the key lime squares. Om nom nom.

mmmmmmmm key lime! mmmmm

113 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:01:32pm

Motherfucker.

I need people I know and like to stop dying. Just heard that a childhood friend died suddenly two days ago. We grew up together through grade school - hadn’t seen each other in nearly 40 years, but reconnected on facebook. Was telling my wife when we were in Mexico that I was going to drop some big bucks and go surprise him at his salon and get a haircut (he had one of those boutique hair salons in San Francisco where women (and some men) pay a couple hundred dollars for a cut & color…I figured it was worth $100 to drop in and say hello after so many years.

114 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:02:18pm

re: #113 darthstar

I’m sorry to hear that.

115 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:07:00pm

re: #114 calochortus

I’m sorry to hear that.

Yeah…he was one of those people who lived through social media, so I was aware of every hook-up, break-up, and significant event he had. I kind of liked that about him.

He focused primarily on close-ups of flowers. But he also did some pretty interesting photo-manipulation of his models (customers) after cutting their hair.
markstevenlewis.brandyourself.com
plus.google.com

116 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:08:31pm

re: #106 Lidane

I am consoling myself by baking. Tonight, it’s all about the key lime squares. Om nom nom.

I’ve been playing with “upcycling” old clothes and t-shirts. I’m a horrible seamstress, but hats, jammie pants and such are easy enough. Free patterns on the internet.

And, because it goes right along fabric dying, I’ve been dying the old t-shirts first.

Tons of of fun and a few things to donate to the shelter

117 Aqua Obama  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:10:51pm

Someone’s running anonymous anti-Iranian ads on Youtube complete with an atom bomb going off at the end of it. Nuclear winter: Obama’s fault.

118 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:12:37pm

Hey LGF just heard this on the way home. Stayed in my car for an NPR driveway moment. Worth the listen:

A decade ago, Cronkite put together a story about that fateful day for NPR. He combined his recollections with several remarkable recordings from the day of the assassination, recordings few had heard before.

npr.org

119 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:14:58pm

As the saying goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

120 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:16:24pm

cnn.com
Fun.
/

121 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:18:19pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

As the saying goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

And when it’s not, it explodes.

122 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:19:10pm

More stuff about Rob Ford’s behavior…

Rob Ford was subject of August police alert
Police were contacted about mayor’s fitness to drive after he left BBQ attended by PM Stephen Harper

cbc.ca

“Toronto police issued a city-wide alert for Rob Ford’s SUV on Aug. 29 after witnesses called police with concerns about the Toronto mayor’s fitness to drive, CBC News has learned.

“The calls to police came in response to Ford’s behaviour at a barbecue attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper at Sunnybrook Park.

“CBC News has learned that when Ford got behind the wheel to leave the event, his departure set off a series of calls to a police dispatcher.”

123 b_sharp  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:23:11pm

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

More stuff about Rob Ford’s behavior…

Rob Ford was subject of August police alert
Police were contacted about mayor’s fitness to drive after he left BBQ attended by PM Stephen Harper

cbc.ca

“Toronto police issued a city-wide alert for Rob Ford’s SUV on Aug. 29 after witnesses called police with concerns about the Toronto mayor’s fitness to drive, CBC News has learned.

“The calls to police came in response to Ford’s behaviour at a barbecue attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper at Sunnybrook Park.

“CBC News has learned that when Ford got behind the wheel to leave the event, his departure set off a series of calls to a police dispatcher.”

Leave Rob Ford Alone!!!

124 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:25:47pm

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

More stuff about Rob Ford’s behavior…

Rob Ford was subject of August police alert
Police were contacted about mayor’s fitness to drive after he left BBQ attended by PM Stephen Harper

cbc.ca

“Toronto police issued a city-wide alert for Rob Ford’s SUV on Aug. 29 after witnesses called police with concerns about the Toronto mayor’s fitness to drive, CBC News has learned.

“The calls to police came in response to Ford’s behaviour at a barbecue attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper at Sunnybrook Park.

“CBC News has learned that when Ford got behind the wheel to leave the event, his departure set off a series of calls to a police dispatcher.”

“This fucking guy is a one man episode of Cops!”
- Jon Stewart

125 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:26:05pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

Image: 3254982-4173396489-50550.jpg

Perfect. I’m catching up on comments.

126 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:27:55pm

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

More stuff about Rob Ford’s behavior…

Rob Ford was subject of August police alert
Police were contacted about mayor’s fitness to drive after he left BBQ attended by PM Stephen Harper

cbc.ca

“Toronto police issued a city-wide alert for Rob Ford’s SUV on Aug. 29 after witnesses called police with concerns about the Toronto mayor’s fitness to drive, CBC News has learned.

“The calls to police came in response to Ford’s behaviour at a barbecue attended by Prime Minister Stephen Harper at Sunnybrook Park.

“CBC News has learned that when Ford got behind the wheel to leave the event, his departure set off a series of calls to a police dispatcher.”

Ford reminds me a lot of the actor Gert Frobe, best known for playing Goldfinger in the James Bond film of the same name.

127 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:30:16pm

This is outrageous, and makes me wonder about the other “suite mates” (the “four other students”) in that dorm, and why this wasn’t reported when it first occurred. Fear for themselves?

California university students charged in racist bullying of roommate

reuters.com

Kiss your privileged careers goodbye, boys.

128 Ming  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:31:29pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Some Things Never Change.

Omigod. Those parallels remind me of Cloud Atlas (I love that movie), where you see the same characters “reincarnated” in different eras.

At the end of Stephen King’s wonderful novel 11/22/63, he writes a non-fiction Epilogue which talks about those same parallels: between the hostility to JFK in 1963, and hostility to President Obama today. (The book was published in mid-2012.) The Epilogue is very disapproving of the right wing. King also gives his take on the assassination conspiracy theories in that Epilogue; very interesting reading.

129 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:34:42pm
130 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:37:01pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

This is outrageous, and makes me wonder about the other “suite mates” (the “four other students”) in that dorm, and why this wasn’t reported when it first occurred. Fear for themselves?

California university students charged in racist bullying of roommate

reuters.com

Kiss your privileged careers goodbye, boys.

His parents came to visit, saw the stars and bars and the n** on the white board. Made something happen. Horrible.

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:37:13pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

This is outrageous, and makes me wonder about the other “suite mates” (the “four other students”) in that dorm, and why this wasn’t reported when it first occurred. Fear for themselves?

California university students charged in racist bullying of roommate

reuters.com

Kiss your privileged careers goodbye, boys.

naw…the New GOP/TP will just love them…

132 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:38:43pm

It’s like they’re just floating there….


Oh, wait.

133 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:38:59pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

According to Lady Bird Johnson’s diaries, someone asked Jackie to clean up before boarding the plane that day and she said no, she wanted everyone to see what they did to her husband. She refused to change or clean the blood off.

134 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:41:13pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

naw…the New GOP/TP will just love them…

Maybe Liberty or Patrick Henry will give them scholarships…

These people are despicable.

135 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:43:05pm
136 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:43:37pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

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Bob.

137 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:43:43pm

From this morning

138 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:45:28pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Bob.

It’s a she-panda. Still Bob? It’s a nice name.

I was thinking Claude.

139 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:46:54pm

But these are the choices offered:

Bao Bao (宝宝): Precious, treasure. Boa Boa

Ling Hua (玲花): Darling, delicate flower. Ling Hua

Long Yun (龙韵): Long is the Chinese symbol of the dragon; Yun means charming. Combined this represents a sign of luck for panda cooperation between China and the United States. Long Yun

Mulan (木兰): Legendary young woman, a smart and brave Chinese warrior from the fifth century; also the name for the magnolia flower in China and the United States. Mulan

Zhen Bao (珍宝): Treasure, valuable.

The Chinese characters look good in the posting box, but messed up in Preview.

And OK in the actual comment.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:49:22pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

It’s a she-panda. Still Bob? It’s a nice name.

I was thinking Claude.

Johnny Cash says “Sue”

141 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:49:48pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

It’s a she-panda. Still Bob? It’s a nice name.

I was thinking Claude.

That ruins my suggestion….

142 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:51:30pm

Ann Romney could have been BFFs with Jackie K.

143 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:53:59pm

re: #32 HoosierHoops

Mmmm.. Wrote this last night to Gus..How it ended up here who Knows?
My offer stands Gus..Come visit you’ll never want to leave. We are going to open a Cafe’ in Paradise as a project and something to do with food.
Top secret project for 2 guys that love food and don’t want to work in the rat race anymore. I’ve been talking to the local meat market already for our beef. You’ll fit right in Gus. Blogging, cooking, Fishing from the North Woods dude..LOL. Ok. Ok.. I really don’t know how to fish like my buddies but I love to drive the boat for hours stopping at different towns for a beer.

Hi Hoops. I’m still here but had to take a nap just before. I’ll DM you on Twitter when I wake up. Might be tomorrow. Maybe I should make some coffee now or something.

144 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:56:00pm

re: #127 Justanotherhuman

I see one of the WND/Stormfront type of commenters showed up:

hawkeye19 wrote:
What about the blacks across the country to beat up whites before robbing them because they’ve been taught to “hate whitey” by the likes of Al Sharpton? No hate crime charges? So much for discriminatory leftist laws.

145 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:57:58pm

re: #144 freetoken
OFFS. Can’t these assholes EVER knock it off? Ever?

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:59:02pm

re: #145 A Mom Anon

OFFS. Can’t these assholes EVER knock it off? Ever?

Nope, this is their life, their oxygen, their very reason for being…

147 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:59:32pm

This is just…

Image: xGxrsfA.jpg

148 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:00:24pm

OK, that’s it. I’m going back to sleep. //

149 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:00:46pm

re: #148 Gus

OK, that’s it. I’m going back to sleep. //

Seriously.
Oy.

150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:01:35pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

I like how glum Dallas looks. Who thinks that ‘Dallas’ killed JFK? Like, what the spirit of Dallas possessed Lee Harvey Oswald?

151 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:02:38pm

re: #150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I like how glum Dallas looks. Who thinks that ‘Dallas’ killed JFK? Like, what the spirit of Dallas possessed Lee Harvey Oswald?

I’m pretty sure it was Fort Worth conducting a false flag op to blame Dallas.

152 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:02:56pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

Seriously.
Oy.

[Throws hands up.]

I surrender!

153 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:05:58pm

Got in for a while, created 2 characters, but they’re having problems with loading into the world servers right now. I’ll try again in a few hours

154 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:06:18pm

re: #144 freetoken

I see one of the WND/Stormfront type of commenters showed up:

We must ban PB&J sandwiches. //

155 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:06:49pm

re: #153 Kragar

Got in for a while, created 2 characters, but they’re having problems with loading into the world servers right now. I’ll try again in a few hours

Nice to see some actual beta testing these days.

156 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:07:18pm

re: #154 Gus

We must ban PB&J sandwiches. //

See, you must work for the CIA.

157 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:07:19pm

re: #154 Gus

We must ban PB&J sandwiches. //

Tempted to downding.

158 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:07:51pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

Tempted to downding.

It’s related to last night.

159 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:08:38pm

John Lavey updates his THE UNITED (WATERSHED) STATES OF AMERICA

In a more sensical world, the US would look like this.

160 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:12:23pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

But these are the choices offered:

The Chinese characters look good in the posting box, but messed up in Preview.

And OK in the actual comment.

Fixed.

161 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:12:57pm

America’s God-problem, on display, again:

Costco’s Bible sin: Fact or fiction?

[…]

As Pastor Kaltenbach told Fox News: “When it comes down to the Bible, you either believe that it’s true or not true. There are no shades of gray.

Either you’re for us, or against us, or something like that.

162 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:14:17pm

re: #161 freetoken

America’s God-problem, on display, again:

Costco’s Bible sin: Fact or fiction?

Either you’re for us, or against us, or something like that.

Image: 08b3e0b63c218f7d2837d75181ee2460.jpeg

163 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:15:06pm

re: #162 Gus

Image: 08b3e0b63c218f7d2837d75181ee2460.jpeg

Heh.
“Your argument is invalid”

164 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:15:24pm

One Costco found to put bible in fiction section therefore LIBRULS will kill all the Christians in 3, 2, 1…

165 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:15:46pm

re: #161 freetoken

America’s God-problem, on display, again:

Costco’s Bible sin: Fact or fiction?

Either you’re for us, or against us, or something like that.

I believe that its a true collection of myths and legends taken from one geographic region, but not the dictated word of God, so that works, right?

166 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:15:49pm

re: #163 Varek Raith

Heh.
“Your argument is invalid”

That’s him.

@calebwilds

167 jaunte  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:16:46pm

re: #161 freetoken

As Pastor Kaltenbach told Fox News: “When it comes down to the Bible, you either believe that it’s true or not true. There are no shades of gray.”

“All metaphors are literally true, therefore, we must be respected.”

168 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:17:16pm

re: #150 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I like how glum Dallas looks. Who thinks that ‘Dallas’ killed JFK? Like, what the spirit of Dallas possessed Lee Harvey Oswald?

People blamed Dallas for a long time, “city of hate” and all that. Basically had to do with it being a central location for Bircher operations in the South, and the infamous wanted flyer that went out just prior to Kennedy’s visit.

Heard this on NPR yesterday:

After the assassination, a grieving nation turned its anger upon Dallas. The feeling was that if the city leaders didn’t actually pull Lee Harvey Oswald’s trigger, they practically loaded the gun. For the first time in its swaggering existence, Dallas was ashamed of itself.

“I had operators when I went off to college who wouldn’t place my calls to Dallas,” Wright says. “One time in Mexico, we were on a family vacation, a couple at the table next to us asked us where we were from, and when Daddy said Dallas, they just got up and left their meal sitting on the table.”

169 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:17:41pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

I want to be there!

170 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:18:19pm

And then there is this:

Bible scholars: Zionists have ‘weaponized’ scripture

My take: The Bible has always been a weapon.

171 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:18:32pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

Wow. I did not know that. Thank you.

And it makes sense, not as an anthropomorphiciztion of the city but as an assessment of its politics and toleration for Bircher shit.

172 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:19:55pm

There is no authority except that which God has established and since God speaks through me I’m the Earthly authority so you cannot question me unless you want to defy God and burn in Hell sinner!

//

173 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:20:00pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

There’s so much JFK all over the media and blogs (a bit too much, IMO) that I admit I’ve been kind of meh about the idea of posting something, but this is a good one to promote!

One of the saddest days in American history is now treated as a way to generate eyeballs and attention online. Shouldn’t have expected otherwise since we’re seeing much the same with the biggest catastrophe of our generation - the 9/11 attacks.

This includes the conspiracy theories that sprang forth from the horror, the terror, and the heartbreak.

174 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:23:11pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Anything that can be turned into a “featured attraction” to make money will indeed be so. I lament this too, but I have never come up with an idea to counter this nature of our economy/society.

175 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:23:51pm

Mattress sales?

176 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:24:34pm

re: #170 freetoken

And then there is this:

Bible scholars: Zionists have ‘weaponized’ scripture

My take: The Bible has always been a weapon.

Spielberg wasn’t far from the mark with his take on the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders.

Seriously though, the word of G-d has always mobilized the faithful to actions of the religious leaders, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews - for better and all the more frequently, for worse (mostly in going and killing, torturing, and/or expelling those who didn’t believe as they did).

177 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:25:16pm

“The pain you feel today is the strength you feel tomorrow.”

BULLSHIT!

178 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:25:38pm

re: #173 lawhawk

I haven’t even turned on the TV today. I’ve reached the point where I just can’t stand watching how the media covers these kinds of events.

179 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:26:20pm

re: #177 Gus

“The pain you feel today is the strength you feel tomorrow.”

BULLSHIT!

Unless it’s cancer, or a broken bone, or a bullet entering your body, or…

Maybe they meant to say “The pain you feel today when doing a reasonable amount of weightlifting and eating sufficient protein is the strength you feel tomorrow in a week or so.”

180 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:26:50pm

Adam Sobel and Naomi Oreskes try a serious take on answering some questions about climate and severe events:

A smoking planet

It’s a good but too brief read. Understanding causality and correlation, on why aggregate measurements can infer causation, and the physics problems inherent in cyclogenesis and such, really would take up volumes.

181 Political Atheist  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:26:52pm

Well this is frustrating & ironic. I looked high and low for a source of music I could properly license with an agreement with the band, label whomever. I prefer a level of exclusive content.

I develop a relationship with VQ Creative Music, The producer sends me two DVD’s full of bands he can deal with. First video goes as smooth as silk. But this latest one, wow. I get 1100 hits in a week while YouTube asks for more and more information and dithers about monetizing the video.

The irony is by delaying monetization they keep money from the band. I paid up front and promised a share of adrev. There are no complaints against my account ever. Never had to pull a video.

182 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:27:10pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

I haven’t even turned on the TV today. I’ve reached the point where I just can’t stand watching how the media covers these kinds of events.

The media trying to be serious about history is like watching a coke addict try to get sentimental about his father’s watch, which he pawned for coke.

183 jaunte  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:28:05pm

re: #182 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I understand Chris Matthews has written a book. //////

184 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:28:37pm

re: #183 jaunte

I understand Chris Matthews has written a book. //////

Don’t start.
:P

185 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:30:32pm

re: #179 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Unless it’s cancer, or a broken bone, or a bullet entering your body, or…

Maybe they meant to say “The pain you feel today when doing a reasonable amount of weightlifting and eating sufficient protein is the strength you feel tomorrow.”

The pain you feel today is the pain you’ll feel tomorrow only worse and in new places.

[Smiley face.]

186 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:31:13pm

If today you are cold tomorrow you’ll feel colder.

[Smiley face.]

187 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:32:28pm

You mean…
This radioactive goo won’t give me superpowers?

Crap.

188 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:33:28pm

If today you find yourself in debt tomorrow you’ll be in deeper debt.

[Smiley face.]

189 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:35:59pm

I’m out.
Later.

190 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:36:36pm

Meanwhile, down in North Carolina:

Science Museum Declines to Show Climate Change Film

Here’s the producers’ website for the movie:

shoredupmovie.com

191 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:37:35pm

re: #188 Gus

If today you find yourself in debt under water tomorrow you’ll be in deeper debt water.

192 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:38:43pm

re: #191 freetoken

Life is like a French movie.

193 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:39:20pm

re: #192 Gus

Life is like a French movie.

…. without the 20 y.o. women.

194 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:39:58pm
195 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:40:10pm

re: #193 freetoken

…. without the 20 y.o. women.

And the unlimited cafe/restaurant budget.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:40:40pm

As I head off to sleep, I wish everyone a great tomorrow…see you then…

Image: 1466238_601730053207895_1954707666_n.jpg

197 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:41:22pm

re: #181 Political Atheist

Well this is frustrating & ironic. I looked high and low for a source of music I could properly license with an agreement with the band, label whomever. I prefer a level of exclusive content.

I develop a relationship with VQ Creative Music, The producer sends me two DVD’s full of bands he can deal with. First video goes as smooth as silk. But this latest one, wow. I get 1100 hits in a week while YouTube asks for more and more information and dithers about monetizing the video.

The irony is by delaying monetization they keep money from the band. I paid up front and promised a share of adrev. There are no complaints against my account ever. Never had to pull a video.

Welp I know nothing about you tube. Congrats on the success, hope they figure it out.

198 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:42:34pm

Still waiting for my demonic minion upgrade. My Virgin Sacrifice card has been punched ten times. WTF??!?!!

199 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:44:17pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It used to be to get on Nixon’s enemies list. Congrats anyways.

200 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:46:15pm
201 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:46:28pm
202 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:47:25pm

My grandson has XBox 1 fever…

203 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:47:52pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

There’s a clog in the torso chute!!

204 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:49:36pm
205 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:50:12pm

This could be your job.

Cobra pit cleaner.

Youtube Video

206 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:50:59pm

re: #205 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Probably an intern.

207 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:51:44pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

I haven’t even turned on the TV today. I’ve reached the point where I just can’t stand watching how the media covers these kinds of events.

I watched some of the coverage here today, and it was almost calming compared to modern TV. Harry Reasoner held forth all by himself, no thingy in his ear, for an hour. Once in a while someone would hand him a slip of paper, which he would read to himself while he was still talking about something else.

208 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:52:16pm
209 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:53:05pm

re: #205 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This could be your job.

Cobra pit cleaner.

[Embedded content]

I watched that hypnotized.

210 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:53:50pm

re: #205 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This could be your job.

Cobra pit cleaner.

[Embedded content]

The worst job I ever heard of was the guy who had to clean out baby food vats.

Almost totally dark, and you use a firehose and scalding hot water to hose down and blast the insides of the vats clean.

Dark, wet, hot and deafening in a confined space. Whats not to love?

211 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:54:38pm

I’m reduced to Verizons 4g today. No videos.

212 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 5:56:44pm

re: #210 Kragar

The worst job I ever heard of was the guy who had to clean out baby food vats.

Almost totally dark, and you use a firehose and scalding hot water to hose down and blast the insides of the vats clean.

Dark, wet, hot and deafening in a confined space. Whats not to love?

Youtube Video

213 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:00:28pm
214 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:01:47pm

Cawfee.

215 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:02:09pm
216 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:03:25pm

Twitter really brings out the best in people.

217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:04:02pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Twitter really brings out the best in people.

Fuck, now I’m hungry for something curried with egg on it.

218 Stanley Sea  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:05:30pm

re: #217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Fuck, now I’m hungry for something curried with egg on it.

And some semi-legal advice.

219 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:05:36pm

“The Kennedy assassination has been a major turning point for the Democrat Party and the American left 50 years ago, when they really went full bore on blaming America, simply because they could not accept the fact that a brother communist had killed the president.”

-Rush Limbaugh today

Besides a few drug-addled celebrities and other fringe dwellers, just who are these Democrats who do not accept Oswald’s guilt? Certainly not LBJ, or Robert or Teddy Kennedy. With very few exceptions, the Democratic establishment has in fact always supported the conclusions of the Warren Commission. It is the Bircher dominated far right that virtually invented the modern conspiracy theory and that dominates the conspiracy industry to this day, moonbat dupes notwithstanding.

220 jaunte  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:05:41pm

What a prize.

221 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:06:37pm

Bemoaning nostalgia while invoking Jesus.

222 Gus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:07:36pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

EVERYONE STOP TALKING JFK AND THE JFK ASSASSINATION ON THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE JFK ASSASSINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP IT THIS INSTANT!!!!!!!!!

223 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:07:37pm

re: #220 jaunte

[Embedded content]

What a prize.

Recommended (forced) viewing for that one:

224 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:07:49pm

There was a special on one of the networks last week that pretty much pinned it all on Oswald. They used the same rifle/bullets for testing.

The bullets would consistently tumble after going through ballistics gel (Kennedy), and you could see the shockwave this bullet would have shaken Kennedy’s head with in the motion it did. And it explained the why his skull exploded the way it did.

Oswald acted alone.

225 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:08:12pm

re: #217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Fuck, now I’m hungry for something curried with egg on it.

Curried deviled eggs. :)

226 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:13:15pm
227 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:14:03pm

The Zapruder film:

Youtube Video

He didn’t have a chance. His head was blown apart by the second bullet. Still hurts to see Jackie try to save the parts of his skull as they skidded across the trunk. Hard to imagine the horror of that moment.

228 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:17:09pm

Oh brother, our local news knuckleheads got their mitts on the “knockout game” story. FOADIAF!!!

229 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:17:28pm

Well, at least there was some good news today…my wife got her 2012 World Series ring - yeah, I know…Boston’s now the world champions, but still…it’s pretty fucking cool.

230 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:19:36pm

re: #228 Amory Blaine

Oh brother, our local news knuckleheads got their mitts on the “knockout game” story. FOADIAF!!!

There they are. Ipads in hand. They are so concerned.

231 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:20:05pm
232 Amory Blaine  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:20:51pm

Wilding anyone?

233 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:22:21pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel

“The Kennedy assassination has been a major turning point for the Democrat Party and the American left 50 years ago, when they really went full bore on blaming America, simply because they could not accept the fact that a brother communist had killed the president.”

-Rush Limbaugh today

Besides a few drug-addled celebrities and other fringe dwellers, just who are these Democrats who do not accept Oswald’s guilt? Certainly not LBJ, or Robert or Teddy Kennedy. With very few exceptions, the Democratic establishment has in fact always supported the conclusions of the Warren Commission. It is the Bircher dominated far right that virtually invented the modern conspiracy theory and that dominates the conspiracy industry to this day, moonbat dupes notwithstanding.

So Democrats are now Communists. Well Rush I would like to thank you for fighting the evil commies in Vietnam. oh wait..

234 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:22:41pm

Really Sprint? Really? Gah.

First of all, I find that I am roaming in my own house, usually in the kitchen. I don’t get charged for it, but seriously. WTF?

Second, I keep dropping calls in my own house. There is literally a cell phone tower across the street, less than 1/4 mile from my front door. I have no cell phone reception right now. None. Really, why?

Love my phone, it does all kinds of nifty things. It’s not the phone, it’s the carrier. We dropped Verizon because they sucked even worse. For what we pay these fuckers I should at least be TO MAKE A CALL IN MY OWN DAMNED HOUSE.

(ahem, rant over, we will now return you to your regularly scheduled program…)

235 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:29:48pm
236 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:38:52pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

The Zapruder film:

[Embedded content]

He didn’t have a chance. His head was blown apart by the second bullet. Still hurts to see Jackie try to save the parts of his skull as they skidded across the trunk. Hard to imagine the horror of that moment.

If you’re not totally JFK’d out by now, a really good talk radio host (not THAT kind of talk radio) in Dallas named Krys Boyd recently interviewed Clint Hill, who was the Secret Service agent seen climbing up on the trunk to push Jackie back into the seat.

JFK’s Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence

Another show from the same person is a VERY interesting look at the social and political climate of Dallas in the 1960s. Back then, it was a much smaller city, full of unabashed segregationists and John Birchers.

Dallas, 50 Years Ago

They’re both worth a listen for anyone who is interested in the topic and not totally burned out on it by now.

237 darthstar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:38:58pm

ROFLMAO! While his wife screeches about whatever, Marcus Bachmann tries to engage in physical contact with other men.

The constant travel and lack of sleep turned Marcus punch-drunk. One of the most amazing moments in the film is when Marcus tries to convince a middle-aged man to vote for his wife as Michele talks at ear-splitting levels about gas prices. He takes the man’s hand, and begins to try to thumb wrestle him. The man laughs, but withdraws his hand, and Marcus picks it back up, saying, “One more time and it’s Michele, ok?”

“I don’t know what that is,” the man says.

“It’s thumb wrestling. It’s thumb wrestling,” Marcus offers.

“I don’t have a thumb,” the man responds. “They took the bone out of there.”

Marcus turns away to a man across the table, and tries to get him to thumb wrestle. The man just shakes his head.

Too bad he didn’t offer to ‘sword fight’ them.

huffingtonpost.com

238 HoosierHoops  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:51:15pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Anybody here..Seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me…
Where he is gone?
He freed a lot of people
But it seems the good die young..
Abraham
Martin
and John

239 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:53:53pm

re: #224 GlutenFreeJesus

Discovery did that on Unsolved History several years ago.

It convinced me there is no conspiracy.

240 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 6:59:23pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

Very slow lawn mower.

241 Weet  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:01:37pm

One simple fact leads me to believe that there was also a shooter on the grassy knoll — 21 police officers thought so.

Here’s one link to their names and statements:

21 Cops Who Heard A Grassy Knoll Shot

242 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:02:06pm

re: #239 The War TARDIS

Discovery did that on Unsolved History several years ago.

It convinced me there is no conspiracy.

Also a Nova on PBS this week.

243 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:03:00pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

Very slow lawn mower.

It will also eat the weeds (dandelions, plantain, etc.) long before moving on to the grass.

244 William of Orange  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:12:05pm

Wow!! Never seen the Zapruder tapes this way!!

In this day and age anyone can fiddle with video. Someone took the Zapruder tape and stabilized the picture. The picture you’ll see is unbelievable!

Youtube Video

245 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:13:25pm

re: #241 Weet

One simple fact leads me to believe that there was also a shooter on the grassy knoll — 21 police officers thought so.

Here’s one link to their names and statements:

21 Cops Who Heard A Grassy Knoll Shot

They heard an echo.

246 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Nov 23, 2013 4:23:42am

re: #216 Charles Johnson

Twitter really brings out the best in people.

How soon until Greenwald wails because someone killed 50 years ago has knocked him out of the spotlight. I presume the next column of his will be somehow comparing Obama and the NSA to JFK and/or Oswald.
/

247 Bulworth  Sat, Nov 23, 2013 5:31:16am

I picked up Jim Marrs’ Crossfire recently. With the onslaught of JFK coverage, I thought it might be a useful reference. Marrs writes well and can tell a good story. However, on page three, in one paragraph, Marrs informs the reader why JFK picked LBJ as his VP: because J.Edgar Hoover knew about JFK’s womanizing and used that information to blackmail JFK into choosing the Texas Senator.

Seriously.

On page three.

Nothing about how Texas would be an important state in the upcoming election, that LBJ’s conservative credentials, or at least his southern base would help balance the ticket. Nothing about how LBJ was his most serious rival for the presidency that year and adding him to the ticket might help unify the Democratic Party in 1960. None of that. Hoover blackmailed him over sex. So LBJ.

Sigh.

I’m gonna have to ask that conspiracy theorists please do better.


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