1 dell*nix  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:00:54pm

Congress has a rep for screwing over vets ever since the Revolution. Although the land bounties were helpful they also served to populate newly acquired land areas so served more than one purpose.

2 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:08:23pm

re: #1 dell*nix

Also got rid of those restless, troublesome, armed guys-at least until the Whiskey Rebellion.

3 dell*nix  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:10:11pm

re: #2 calochortus

They were just taking their corn crops to market. Much easier to transport as a liquid.

4 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:10:50pm

re: #2 calochortus

The Whisky Rebellion also showed, along with Libya right now, why having Militias long term is a bad plan.

5 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:11:49pm
6 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:20:12pm

re: #3 dell*nix

They were just taking their corn crops to market. Much easier to transport as a liquid.

Far less volume that way.

7 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:20:21pm

The R’s love vets until it’s time to fund services for them.

Go figure.

Bastards.

8 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:22:20pm

Some early reports of what the Iran deal might look like
Iran Would Eliminate Stock of Its Most Highly Enriched Uranium Under Deal

Iran would be allowed to continue to enrich uranium at much lower levels, to 3.5 percent, the officials said, but would also agree to cap its current stockpile of such uranium, by eliminating, diluting or transforming into fuel as much 3.5 percent uranium as it produces over the six months.

Western officials said Iran was also being asked to halt construction, for six months, on the Arak heavy-water reactor. The reactor, when finished and fueled, could produce plutonium, another route to a nuclear weapon.

Iran would also agree not to install any more of its faster, second-generation centrifuges, the machines used to enrich uranium, and would not operate the 1,000 or so of these centrifuges already installed but not yet in use. Iran would also agree to more intrusive inspections, to ensure the deal is kept.

9 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:23:14pm

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

10 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:23:46pm

re: #7 austin_blue

I actually read an explanation of that which makes some sense (though not a lot): They chose to join the military and therefore are responsible for the consequences.

I’m not saying that’s right, far from it. It is however, a coherent rationale.

11 The War TARDIS  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:24:32pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I would add a sweetener.

The US pulls its Persian Gulf Forces to Oman.

I don”t want to support Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, or the UAE anymore.

12 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:25:33pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

Tempting but morally wrong. Not to mention that many people there are not to blame for the conservative vote (children, people who voted liberal but were out-voted, non-citizens)

13 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:27:56pm

A note to Conservatives:

Wearing a fucking flag pin doesn’t mean you support the troops.

14 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:16pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

Nope. Disaster relief transcends partisan lines. Period.

15 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:47pm

Derbyshire is bleating again:

16 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:29:51pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

Leave that shit to the Republicans. Don’t stoop to their level.

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:30:32pm

Speaking with my veteran’s hat on, there is utterly no reason any vet should vote Republican.

The 1/6th have an active duty disability that they can’t prove to the VA hits home for me. I’ve had back pain daily for over 20 years from an accident that wasn’t written up properly (i was young & dumb so the mission (training only) came first.).

18 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:30:33pm

GOP support for the troops: More monuments, more medals, fewer benefits.

19 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:30:54pm

And the world server is down!

NOOOOOOOOO!

20 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:31:07pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

Have you ever noticed that every time you post one of these fucked-up group-blaming comments, it gets negative ratings?

Is there a point at which you’ll begin to realize why that’s happening?

21 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:33:06pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

Hey. Cut it out.

22 William of Orange  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:33:59pm

I already posted this clip in the Kennedy topic but I fear it will be overlooked by many and I think you want to see this….


Everyone inhere has seen the Zapruder tape one time or another in their life. But until this evening I never saw it this clear. In this day and age anyone can fiddle with video with the proper tools. Someone took the Zapruder tape and stabilized the frame so the picture is now a smooth one. Take a look, it’s never been more clear to you than this.
I even am more convinced that the coupe the grace was indeed a shot from behind, which would prove that the shot came from the book depository. Make your own decision.

Youtube Video

23 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:34:26pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

I would add a sweetener.

The US pulls its Persian Gulf Forces to Oman.

I don”t want to support Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, or the UAE anymore.

I was reading about this earlier. One of the complicating factors would be creating the impression that we’re swapping Sunni allies for new Shia friends. We really don’t want to create more sectarian tensions.

24 nines09  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:35:24pm

You came back from Nam and you got Thorazine for the brain and Darvon for the pain. Big gallon jugs with unlimited refills. Had more than a few friends with parts missing you couldn’t see. They got fucked royally and regularly. It still pisses me off thinking about it sometimes.

25 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:37:39pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I was reading about this earlier. One of the complicating factors would be creating the impression that we’re swapping Sunni allies for new Shia friends. We really don’t want to create more sectarian tensions.

Especially after we invavded and overthrew a secular, Shia majority Arab nation run by a Sunni minority party. We’ve created enough sectarian tensions already.

26 bratwurst  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:38:18pm
27 Kragar  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:40:51pm

re: #26 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

A whole twitter feed dedicated to the first industrial meat packing plant in Uruguay?

28 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:41:56pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

GOP support for the troops: More monuments, more medals, fewer benefits.

Every once in a while it occurs to me that we seem to value dead soldiers a lot more than living ones, with the implicit message being that the living ones didn’t “sacrifice enough” to earn our full respect, therefore fuck off and die. I really don’t know if I’m just a cynical misanthrope, or if there’s actually something to it. Possibly both. But I have noticed that soldiers who complain about the way {living} soldiers are treated tend to get shouted down, disparaged, called “phony soldiers”, etc.

29 calochortus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:49:26pm

re: #28 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

We can project anything we want onto the dead. Live people can be problematic.

30 blueraven  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:49:28pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

You are just like the ones you claim to be better than.

31 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:51:15pm

I find it incredibly sad, the way we treat our Veterans.
You know, the people who put their lives on the line….

32 William of Orange  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 7:51:19pm

re: #22 William of Orange

>I already posted this clip in the Kennedy topic but I fear it will be overlooked by many and I think you want to see this….

Everyone inhere has seen the Zapruder tape one time or another in their life. But until this evening I never saw it this clear. In this day and age anyone can fiddle with video with the proper tools. Someone took the Zapruder tape and stabilized the frame so the picture is now a smooth one. Take a look, it’s never been more clear to you than this.
I even am more convinced that the coupe the grace was indeed a shot from behind, which would prove that the shot came from the book depository. Make your own decision.

[Embedded content]

The Oliver Nix clip received the same treatment.

Youtube Video

33 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:00:55pm

I’M STILL blown away by the statistic that more women have been killed in intimate partner violence than soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan.

I’m so tired of us letting our government get it backwards. Perhaps if we gave our resources and attention to women,children and families, there were be little need for soldiers.

Instead we pay for War, ignore the mental health needs of our returning soldiers and perpetuate the cycle.

In her National Press Club talk this week, Gloria Steinem said it takes 4 generations to heal the effects of trauma. (I still have to research the source). It makes sense, when I realize that so much is still affecting the children and grandchildren of WWII vets.

There is no reason for the suffering, the pain and the death.

34 freetoken  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:05:29pm

The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?

The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.

Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.

As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.

35 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:06:02pm

re: #34 freetoken

The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?

The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.

Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.

As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.

jobs.
jobs,
jobs
profits
stockholders
jobs

36 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:08:54pm

re: #34 freetoken

The question I have is this: why are we creating so many veterans?

The US seems to be in perpetual warfare. The switch from the Draft to a professional military doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference there.

Veterans have had to struggle over the lack of support all the way back to the Revolution.

As a nation we appear to like warfare, as long as we don’t have to pay the fully burdened cost.

My last response was cynical.

I think all societies struggle with what to do with their young me. It seems in historically, if they can’t keep them in line by marrying them off early, or sending them to the seminary, they send them to war.

WE have to rethink that model.

37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:09:11pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.
You’re saying some Republicans in Illinois should be punished for what other Republicans have said and done in other states.

That way lies civil war, PLL. You must learn to control your anger better. You’re making progress, but you’ve still got a ways to go.

38 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:10:14pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.
You’re saying some Republicans in Illinois should be punished for what other Republicans have said and done in other states.

That way lies civil war, PLL. You must learn to control your anger better. You’re making progress, but you’ve still got a ways to go.

Life seems so much easier, cut ‘n dried, when one is younger —heh?

39 Lidane  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:11:45pm

It’s pathetic that we have to consdier this a victory in 2013. It should just be routine:

40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:12:22pm

re: #32 William of Orange

I can’t begin to figure out what the video is attempting to convey. They put all manner of distracting, scrolling shit in the background, and overlaid a completely unnecessary animated circle thingy over it. It makes the whole thing a visual clusterfuck.

Side note: I’ve met Robert Groden a couple of times. The first time was about 1991 or so, when I was a certified JFK assassination conspiracy theorist, and the second time was in the early 2000s when I was beginning to realize how wrong I had been. He’s certainly not an Alex Jones type. He’s not a kook like Jim Marrs (another prominent JFK conspiracy guy who has since branched out into other conspiracies). In my opinion, he’s almost completely blind to his own confirmation bias, and is a textbook example of one of the things Michael Shermer was talking about in his book “Why People Believe Weird Things”, specifically that smart people are often highly skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.

41 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:15:19pm

re: #34 freetoken

We’re still experiencing the ripples from the end of WWII and the subsequent Cold War years. Future historians will be better equipped to understand our past 100 or so years than we are right now.

42 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:16:34pm

re: #34 freetoken

We weren’t at war for 10 years between 1991 and 2001. But since 9/11, the need to clear and stabilize dysfunctional countries has been a major priority. The decision was taken to try to cut off the cycles of tyranny, revolt, and repression and thus gain real peace. It’s taken a lot longer than we thought, but the aim has been to end and prevent wars, not start them.

Oh, and since you’re here finally, here’s a HuffPo page I’ve been saving just for you.

43 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:18:12pm
44 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:21:10pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

We weren’t at war for 10 years between 1991 and 2001. But since 9/11, the need to clear and stabilize dysfunctional countries has been a major priority. The decision was taken to try to cut off the cycles of tyranny, revolt, and repression and thus gain real peace. It’s taken a lot longer than we thought, but the aim has been to end and prevent wars, not start them.

Oh, and since you’re here finally, here’s a HuffPo page I’ve been saving just for you.

Predators and opportunists thrive in chaos. Sometimes that can be good, if one is trying to make changes that will benefit the world. Mostly (my cynical view) it is bad because the greedy and the power hungry use the upheaval to their benefit.

Thus, the current scourge of Religious Zealots —ripe for the picking.

9/11 created chaos —I have no doubt the planners are laughing in satisfaction.

45 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:26:11pm

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

NO clue about this website:
Knockout Game Turns Deadly: 60 Year Old Woman Shoots and Kills 2 Teens After Being Punched

I can’t find any newspaper or local TV about this. Epoch Times makes a convincing case that this story is a fake.

46 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:27:39pm

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

Predators and opportunists thrive in chaos. Sometimes that can be good, if one is trying to make changes that will benefit the world. Mostly (my cynical view) it is bad because the greedy and the power hungry use the upheaval to their benefit.

Thus, the current scourge of Religious Zealots —ripe for the picking.

9/11 created chaos —I have no doubt the planners are laughing in satisfaction.

Actually, many of the planners of 9/11 are in Hell, after we wasted their terrorist asses. Others are in Gitmo, and I assure you they are not laughing.

47 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:28:02pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

You’ve spoken about trigger reactions, PLL, well I need to say that you’re tripping my trigger just about now. You’re saying aid should be refused on the basis of party affiliation, without reference even to what the people of that area believe and how their rep voted on aid for Sandy.

Their rep did indeed vote to deny Sandy Aid. He’s a climate change denier and nasty little fossil fuel shill as well.

No, I don’t think Aaron Schock’s district should be denied aid, but I would like to see him suitably humiliated, mocked, and scorned for being a hypocritical little shit.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:29:49pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

Thank you for the information.

49 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:31:38pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

Whatever dude. I’ve got friends that were effected in a very big way.

Youtube Video

50 BongCrodny  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:32:05pm

Don’t know whether anyone has posted this yet, but The New York Times had an article yesterday on service members falling prey to payday loan sharks, often being charged as much as 40% interest.

Alarmed that payday lenders were preying on military members, Congress in 2006 passed a law intended to shield servicemen and women from the loans tied to a borrower’s next paycheck, which come with double-digit interest rates and can plunge customers into debt. But the law failed to help Ms. Kelly, 30, this year.

Possibly because of loopholes in the law:

The short-term loans not covered under the law’s interest rate cap of 36 percent include loans for more than $2,000, loans that last for more than 91 days and auto-title loans with terms longer than 181 days.

You can argue they went into the contract with eyes open, but nobody should have to deal with this bullshit:

Interest rates on the loans offered by companies like Just Military Loans and Military Financial, can exceed 80 percent, according to an analysis by the Consumer Federation of America.

Fucking vipers.

Service Members Left Vulnerable to Payday Loans

51 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:40:16pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

Their rep did indeed vote to deny Sandy Aid. He’s a climate change denier and nasty little fossil fuel shill as well.

No, I don’t think Aaron Schock’s district should be denied aid, but I would like to see him suitably humiliated, mocked, and scorned for being a hypocritical little shit.

Hold him responsible by voting him out. Leave the people out of this. That’s my take on things.

But you’re right. This guy is an ass.

52 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:44:08pm
53 austin_blue  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:44:33pm

re: #50 BongCrodny

Don’t know whether anyone has posted this yet, but The New York Times had an article yesterday on service members falling prey to payday loan sharks, often being charged as much as 40% interest.

Possibly because of loopholes in the law:

You can argue they went into the contract with eyes open, but nobody should have to deal with this bullshit:

Fucking vipers.

Service Members Left Vulnerable to Payday Loans

Quit insulting vipers! They kill their prey and eat them. These are parasites, which bleed their victims real slowly.

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:44:41pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

So, I see the area that got hit earlier this week in Illinois was a Republican Stronghold.

I say that the Feds don’t interfere. They might get angry, after all. Let them deal with it them selves.

After the Politicization of Sandy, I think this needs to be done until the message becomes clear to them.

Seek professional help

55 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:48:32pm

How AWESOME is this?
Youtube Video

Published on May 12, 2013
A revised version of David Bowie’s Space Oddity, recorded by Commander Chris Hadfield on board the International Space Station.

56 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 8:54:25pm

HOW DID I MISS THIS?
Youtube Video

57 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 9:02:28pm

bbl

58 AlexRogan  Fri, Nov 22, 2013 9:10:19pm

re: #9 The War TARDIS

WTFITS? I’m getting more than tired of this routine of yours.

You’re right about how the GOP politicized Sandy relief, but that doesn’t mean that, whenever a disaster befalls a Republican-leaning area, the same sort of politicization delays or stops relief to those in need, because it shouldn’t; decent human beings shouldn’t and don’t play political games with other people’s lives and livelihoods.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but you apparently haven’t gotten the message the umpteen other times we’ve called you out on your attitude towards certain people and groups.

One of these days, maybe even today, you’re going to hit Charles’ last nerve and we’re going to say to you in absentia, “We warned you.”

Think.Before.You.Speak.


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