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1 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:32:05pm
2 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:34:05pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I think Paul Wolfowitz was defending it tonight, too.
He did admit “Hitler is almost unique” or words to that effect.

3 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:36:33pm
4 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:36:41pm

I’ll admit he’s not bad, but is he the most evil acoustic guitarist ever? Well…

RBS

5 ObserverArt  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:40:16pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

[ Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs - Follow

The right wing parrot chorus line.
9:24 PM - 26 Nov 2013]

And not real parrots. Puppet parrots with strings already attached.

6 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:43:30pm

i had a sandwich today that was worse than munich

7 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:44:18pm

re: #6 dog philosopher

Hamburger?

8 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:49:47pm

It’s absolutely pathetic that RW is trying to Godwin every last action, significant or not, taken by President Obama.

A temporary deal between the P5+Iran on testing whether Iran can fulfill its obligations to not produce nuclear weapons, reveal its cache of nuclear materials, and dilute its stockpile to make it more difficult to produce nuclear weapons is somehow like Chamberlain appeasing Hitler at Munich?

It’s the same kind of nonsense we’ve seen for the past couple of years with gun right nuts claiming that if only the Jews had guns, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened. All that ignores that of the more than 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis, more than 5.8 million were in countries invaded by Germany. That includes the more than 5 million killed in Poland and Russia, which both had huge armies with lots of men with guns, tanks, and planes.

Can there be a downside to the Iran nuke deal? Yup. Iran could show itself as unwilling to abide by the terms. That would mean that the sanctions would be reinstated to the full extent, and likely made even tougher, and Iran would lost whatever trust they’d gained over the past eight months with the US. It’d be 6 months of testing Iran’s words with actions and verification. You know, like the old Reaganesque Trust but Verify. That’s what this deal is about. It’s about seeing whether we can trust Iran on the deal, and verifying their actions at each step of the process.

Hardly like what Chamberlain did at Munich, which essentially allowed Hitler to carve up Czechoslovakia and take the Sudetenland. It fueled Hitler’s ambitions. That’s not the situation here.

But as I’ve repeated stated, the right isn’t about historical accuracy. They’re about co-opting historical terms for their own purposes.

9 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:50:02pm
10 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:50:43pm
11 ObserverArt  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:51:22pm

re: #4 RealityBasedSteve

I’ll admit he’s not bad, but is he the most evil acoustic guitarist ever? Well…

RBS

Do you play Steve?

And, I agree with you to a degree that I always have said has the world ever heard the best guitarist ever? Just like any instrument. Some guy sitting in a house somewhere that just loves to play and is too shy to go out and gig may be the best.

But, to Charles’ love of Tommy…I can see where it comes from. I’m a rank amateur but love the instrument. I am actually more a drummer…but use the guitar for creating ideas to turn into songs. And using my knowledge of the guitar, I’d say Emmanuel is right up there with the best for sure.

I think he can make a lot of “greats” jealous with his speed, precision and one thing that I always look for, rhythm! Lots of guitarist can crank out speed notes as runs and leads. Some of them fall way down when they shift to having to carry the rhythm and along with it the melody. The reverse can also be true, great rhythms and decent but not great scales and runs.

Tommy has that all covered. And he does it all on an acoustic. I’d love to see his neck sometime as to how low the action is set. I’m thinking it is low, but not like can be done on an electric.

By the way, I came across a video of his where he is taking questions from the audience and tells them that he is really a drummer first. He does tap a nice beat on the body of his guitars.

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:57:54pm

re: #2 jaunte

I think Paul Wolfowitz was defending it tonight, too.
He did admit “Hitler is almost unique” or words to that effect.

I tried to use Google to see what he’d said, but hall it pulled up was a bunch of angry Moonbats barking at him.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:58:45pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

I’m going to have to look into Tommy’s catalog; Charles’ posts over the years have gotten me hooked on Joe Bonamassa. But I’ve always had a thing for guitarists/bassists - Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Greg Lake, Alex Lifeson, Kirk Hammett, Les Claypool and Geddy Lee, among others.

14 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:58:50pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

There will probably be video tomorrow.

15 dog philosopher  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:02:10pm

re: #7 jaunte

Hamburger?

münchen

16 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:06:41pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Agree with this entirely. One of the best articles I read in the last day or so on this subject is this one.
thedailybeast.com

17 Gus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:10:07pm

Not even close to the Munich agreement on almost all levels. It’s not 1938 and Iran, while still a royal pain in the ass and an exporter of terrorism, isn’t Nazi Germany.

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:11:31pm
19 ObserverArt  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:11:56pm

I know a real good guitarist that does make some lists and very few people probably know of him. Phil Keaggy. Saw him many times in a rock band he had back in the late 60s/early 70s…Glass Harp. As a matter of fact he and they impressed Jimi Hendrix and recorded their first album at Electric Ladyland studios, right before Hendrix passed away.

Around ‘72 or so he became deeply Christian and switched to all Christian music. He is still out banging around I think.

Here is a sample, and he was known for using his volume knob on his Les Paul to get a signature sound. If you notice, he lost his middle finger on his playing hand as a youth and claimed that helped him pull of that technique.

Youtube Video

Do a search for Glass Harp. Good stuff. Live they were always different as they did nice jams in transitions from song to song. Also saw him in a guitar one upsmanship concert with Joe Walsh. Both being from the Kent/Akron/Cleveland scene they always competed.

20 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:14:11pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Anyone serious about reducing the number of abortions should be doing everything possible to ensure women have access to affordable birth control.

Its not about health. Its about imposing their religious beliefs on everyone.

21 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:20:10pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Remember “shoved down our throat” same RW bullshit.

22 ObserverArt  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:24:06pm

Allow me to go on a little bit more on Mr. Keaggy. Here he is doing “Here Comes the Sun” and it also demonstrates his fine vocals too. He is a master at Beatles stuff. He used to do a lot of their songs when first gigging.

Youtube Video

23 Zamb  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:27:02pm

re: #8 lawhawk

You know what would actually be like Hitler? Invading a bunch of other countries. Seriously these people don’t seem to grasp the idea that it’s WWII and the Holocaust that we hate HItler for, unless you are actively invading your neighbors or systematically rounding up and wiping out certain minorities within your nation there is no real place for a Hitler comparison.

24 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:28:05pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Yes. It’s 2013. Birth control is an ISSUE. I want a red line drawn. Do you support birth control or do you not Mr. Man.

I’m getting my protest person ready.

25 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:31:12pm
26 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:36:48pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

This case is a troubling one, and I think a particularly dangerous one for those that hope Obamacare can be given a fair shot. To me however I believe that the problem could be solved pretty simply. If a private company wishes to opt out of a particular aspect of coverage for religious reasons, they should have to pay a fee, or tax, whatever you choose to call it to the government in lieu. In turn the government can provide coverage for that aspect of the insurance this company refuses to provide. It is pretty simple. The owners can have clean hands so to speak but must accept that employment law requires certain standards be met, and if you cannot meet them for some reason, you have to provide for them to be met somehow else.

27 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:37:18pm
28 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:43:58pm

Oh geez. A wingnut friend just posted some Joe the Fake Plumber bleating about a teacher somewhere teaching that Obama was literally a messianic figure and how it’s somehow Common Core compliant.

Why are people in this country so easily duped? WTF.

29 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:49:19pm

re: #27 Kragar

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Those two aren’t mutually exclusive.

30 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:56:43pm

re: #13 lawhawk

I’m going to have to look into Tommy’s catalog; Charles’ posts over the years have gotten me hooked on Joe Bonamassa. But I’ve always had a thing for guitarists/bassists - Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, Greg Lake, Alex Lifeson, Kirk Hammett, Les Claypool and Geddy Lee, among others.

I can’t get into Tommy Emmanuel at all. I suspect this must be what it’s like for people who can’t get into Frank Zappa when I try to subject them to Frank Zappa. Music is such a subjective thing - you either get it, or you don’t. I don’t see an ounce of talent in Kirk Hammett, but then my favorite guitarist is Allan Holdsworth, and a lot of people perceive him as a soulless noodler, so *shrug*.

31 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:58:03pm

The Twitter conversation currently going on between @Green_Footballs and @TheWarRoom_Tom is rather revealing. It really is a case of control over women. Men of ceratin character (i.e. horrible selfish protestant Christian white men) are terrified that women might be able to choose their own destinies, which would strip those men of their power over women.

Viagra? Yeah, that’s perfectly fine to include in insurance plans.

Contraception? TYRANNY!!!11!!1!

The lack of empathy these men have for their fellow women creatures is sad.

32 blueraven  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:59:04pm

re: #26 Petero1818

This case is a troubling one, and I think a particularly dangerous one for those that hope Obamacare can be given a fair shot. To me however I believe that the problem could be solved pretty simply. If a private company wishes to opt out of a particular aspect of coverage for religious reasons, they should have to pay a fee, or tax, whatever you choose to call it to the government in lieu. In turn the government can provide coverage for that aspect of the insurance this company refuses to provide. It is pretty simple. The owners can have clean hands so to speak but must accept that employment law requires certain standards be met, and if you cannot meet them for some reason, you have to provide for them to be met somehow else.

That is a pretty slippery slope. What about religions that don’t believe in modern medicine at all, and believe that only prayer can heal? What about laws other than the ACA that they may not agree with? Can they opt out of them as well?
I don’t think a for-profit corporation should be able to inflict their religious beliefs on their employees. Nor should religion be used as an excuse not to follow laws.

33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:05:28pm

re: #27 Kragar

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I am superficially aware that both “Adele” and “Taylor Swift” are pop musicians. Beyond that I don’t understand why it’s important to be reminded of anything about them. I assume this has something to do with marketing and branding. I don’t know their music. I am not the target demographic. I am old and irrelevant. Because I don’t have any kids who would buy their products with my money, I am doubly irrelevant. Being old and irrelevant is cool. Huhuhhuuhuhh.

Youtube Video

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:11:18pm
35 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:14:02pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

The lack of empathy these men have for their fellow women creatures is sad.

It’s also entirely normal. Lots of men would agree with that guy.

36 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:14:34pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I am superficially aware that both “Adele” and “Taylor Swift” are pop musicians. Beyond that I don’t understand why it’s important to be reminded of anything about them. I assume this has something to do with marketing and branding. I don’t know their music. I am not the target demographic. I am old and irrelevant. Because I don’t have any kids who would buy their products with my money, I am doubly irrelevant. Being old and irrelevant is cool. Huhuhhuuhuhh.

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Neither one is Ronnie James Dio, and that is all that really matters.

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

37 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:17:33pm

Yes, because healthcare is part of a total compensation package, and as an employer, you can’t dictate how I spend my compensation.

38 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:17:55pm

Really a simple formula we have in front of us:

39 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:18:33pm

re: #35 Lidane

It’s also entirely normal. Lots of men would agree with that guy.

That’s what makes me ill at heart. I guess I’m lucky being the only male child in my immediate family (3 sisters), I think I have a healthy empathy for women.

Women are people too, people!

40 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:20:41pm
41 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:21:30pm

“Mah religious belief is imma gonna boss you around.”

42 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:24:24pm
43 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:24:57pm

If you don’t believe in gay marriage, don’t marry a person of the same sex.

If you don’t believe in birth control, don’t use contraception.

WTF is wrong with these fucking people?

44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:25:11pm

re: #36 Kragar

I am currently on-again, off-again dating a woman who insists, for reasons I can’t fathom, that RJD’s early career somehow disqualifies him from being considered a metal vocalist.

Uh, okay.

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

And her idea of metal is glam bullshit. ALL HER OPINIONS ARE INVALID, obviously.

45 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:26:40pm
46 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:27:23pm

This is the supreme court decision of my female lifetime

I’m a bit freaked out.

47 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:27:40pm
48 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:29:24pm
49 freetoken  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:15pm

Chris Mooney weighs in again about the thinking processes of people and how they affect our society’s rejection of certain discoveries from science:

7 Reasons Why It’s Easier for Humans to Believe in God Than Evolution

I think it is a pretty good list.

50 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:51pm

re: #45 Kragar

A Jehovah’s Witness employer would subsidize my birth control, but if I needed a blood transfusion or an organ transplant, I’m shit outta luck.

51 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:33:57pm

re: #48 Kragar

This is the “Ah-Hah!” argument I’ve been looking for about this whole Supreme Court Contraception Noise.

If insurance is compensation for employment, the employee should not be beholden to the employers beliefs about certain guidelines in the insurance.

Kragar, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:34:08pm

Big sigh.

53 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:35:30pm
54 freetoken  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:36:20pm

Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:

Intelligent design should not be ignored

[…]

Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?

How did those forces understand that communication was desirable and so give man a voice? How do we account for beauty, love and sex? […]

“Big sigh” - indeed.

55 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:36:55pm

Yes, birth control is just like an optional alcoholic beverage.

56 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:38:23pm

always felt that he was underrated since he’s mostly known as a Blues/Rockabilly/Pub Rock revivalist, but back in the day, Dave Edmunds could wield his axe.

This version is a couple of decades plus post his original release of this song with Love Sculpture (68?) and is a tad truncated from the original

Youtube Video

57 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:38:52pm

Tom’s an idiot.

58 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:39:42pm

I think it’s funny that it took a major LGF outage (which, as I recall, wasn’t that long ago) for Kragar to get a Twitter account. I’ll bet Kragar surpasses me in tweets by the end of the year.

:)

59 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:40:00pm

re: #57 Kragar

Tom’s an idiot.

hey it’s the same argument that beer is just like champagne because both are alcoholic…..

60 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:40:07pm

re: #54 freetoken

Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:

Intelligent design should not be ignored

“Big sigh” - indeed.

I would expect and welcome those questions from someone whose age was in the single digit range.

61 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:40:16pm

re: #57 Kragar

Yes, Libertarian.

62 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:41:33pm

re: #57 Kragar

Tom’s an idiot.

So he’s totes ok with a Jehovah’s Witness not paying for blood transfusions for their employees’ health insurance because it violates their religion?

Good to know.

Fucker.

63 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:42:09pm

re: #61 jaunte

Yes, Libertarian.

64 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:42:46pm

re: #62 dr. klys

So he’s totes ok with a Jehovah’s Witness not paying for blood transfusions for their employees’ health insurance because it violates their religion?

Good to know.

Fucker.

Or a Christian Scientist saying all you need is prayer for your health care plan

65 Gus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:43:25pm

I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.

66 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:43:27pm

After enough Christian Scientists die, the market will punish them for their healthcare choices.

67 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:43:57pm

Knives?

68 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:16pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

I think it’s funny that it took a major LGF outage (which, as I recall, wasn’t th@Kragar_LGFat long ago) for Kragar to get a Twitter account. I’ll bet Kragar surpasses me in tweets by the end of the year.

:)

Kragar was made for twitter.

69 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:22pm
70 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:39pm

re: #64 Kragar

Or a Christian Scientist saying all you need is prayer for your health care plan

Or a flowery New Age type only covering homeopathy and crystal therapy while they deny vaccinations for you and your kids.

71 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:45:40pm

Even bigger sigh.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:46:43pm

Evening lizards!

73 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:46:45pm

re: #67 jaunte

Knives?

We started talking about female healthcare issues and being all uppity again.

Or something. I can never quite tell.

74 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:47:12pm

re: #65 Gus

I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.

What?

75 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:47:46pm

re: #69 jaunte

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I thought it would be abortion that my middle aged naked ass threw down for.

Birth Control?

It’s ovah.

76 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:48:11pm


Well, sir, that would be part of why my doctor prescribed it…

77 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:49:36pm
78 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:50:54pm

I just turned on the Pandora app on my X1 DVR and this is the first song it played :)

Youtube Video

79 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:51:07pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

If I had to guess, LGF commenters were being more openly hostile to religion and free enterprise?

*shaking head*

80 Stanley Sea  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:51:08pm

re: #76 dr. klys

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Well, sir, that would be part of why my doctor prescribed it…

gah, have to decipher wingnut. I don’t think his response WAS a response?

81 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:52:40pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

If I had to guess, LGF commenters were being more openly hostile to religion and free enterprise?

*shaking head*

religion is hardly a free enterprise, now don’t forget to tithe ….

82 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:52:49pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea

gah, have to decipher wingnut. I don’t think his response WAS a response?

a) I didn’t ask the question, but

b) he’s just really that much of a fucking idiot.

83 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:53:59pm


Did I fucking stutter?

84 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:55:50pm

“Better read Scalia.”

That cretinous buffon is a big part of the problem.

85 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:56:54pm
86 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:57:22pm

re: #81 piratedan

religion is hardly a free enterprise, now don’t forget to tithe ….

Youtube Video

87 Belafon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:57:38pm

re: #83 Kragar

So, what religion is Microsoft? Exxon? Hobby Lobby?

88 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:11pm

re: #87 Belafon

So, what religion is Microsoft? Exxon? Hobby Lobby?

Mammon worshippers

89 The War TARDIS  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:30pm

re: #87 Belafon

The Religion of Ka-Ching!

90 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:34pm

This is just caveman bullshit, is what this is.

91 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:58:49pm
92 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:00:56pm
93 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:01:43pm

re: #90 jaunte

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This is just caveman bullshit, is what this is.

shouldn’t matter a tinker’s damn what your sexual choices are, your employer hired you to perform a job/service, there’s a reason why you can’t ask that shit when you’re in a job interview.

94 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:04:03pm

“The guy who has to pay for something”

95 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:08:23pm

Why does this “principled stand” only come up on women’s issues like birth control? I notice he’s gone right to abortion now.

Apparently insurance isn’t part of your compensation when it means they might have to pay for something that conflicts with their religious beliefs, and this national security expert can tell me how birth control isn’t medically necessary for women - no need for them to pay for that IUD when the pill would work just as well.

96 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:08:55pm

Do these folks realize we are standing on the edge of a very interesting question-what is a religion? If religion trumps secular law and my religion (developed just yesterday) says abortion is good, or men and women can’t work together or whatever that’s all just peachy?

97 piratedan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:10:35pm

re: #96 calochortus

exactly, when the fuck did church triumph over state, was there an election that I missed?

98 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:10:39pm

re: #96 calochortus

Do these folks realize we are standing on the edge of a very interesting question-what is a religion? If religion trumps secular law and my religion (developed just yesterday) says abortion is good, or men and women can’t work together or whatever that’s all just peachy?

My religion says I don’t have to pay taxes or my bills and I can just take what I want.

99 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:11:27pm

Fuck, my head hurts. I scrolled down for a while on this and, I guess, derp.

100 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:12:20pm

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101 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:12:43pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

What I meant was the comments under this particular tweet. It goes on and on and it’s just this Tom Nichols guy is a piece of work.

102 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:13:45pm

re: #100 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This seems like a good time to point out that the Church of the Subgenius is currently running a 2-for-the-price-of-1 special on ordainment.

I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.

103 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:16:26pm

re: #98 Kragar

My religion says I don’t have to pay taxes or my bills and I can just take what I want.

I recall seeing someone trying to answer the “what is a legitimate religion” question a couple years ago. It ended being a total hash of arbitrary ‘tests’ to allow what the person thought were legit religions in, while cutting out the ones that worshiped the false gods.

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:18:02pm

re: #102 Lidane

I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.

I’ll stick to being a licensed lay worship leader and do the occasional morning prayer. Being a real priest is hard work for low wages.

105 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:22:39pm

re: #96 calochortus

“…As 10th Circuit Chief Judge Mary Beck Briscoe, the only active woman on that appeals court, wrote in her Hobby Lobby dissent, the court’s holding is “unprecedented” and no one “can confidently predict where it may lead, particularly when one considers how easily an ‘exercise of religion’ could now be asserted by a corporation to avoid or take advantage of any government rule or requirement.”
americanprogress.org

“There are currently 40 federal court lawsuits brought by for-profit corporations challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception requirement.”

106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:23:03pm

re: #102 Lidane

I already paid them for my ordination. Got the fancy laminated card and everything. Heh.

You might have paid “them”, but from your attitude it’s plain to see that you never paid “Bob”.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:23:39pm

the kinks- you really got me
Youtube Video

108 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:25:13pm

re: #105 jaunte

“There are currently 40 federal court lawsuits brought by for-profit corporations challenging the Affordable Care Act’s contraception requirement.”

It all seems so bizarre.

Why don’t we just decouple healthcare from employment by going to single payer. Then everyone will be happy, right?
/

109 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:26:01pm

Apparently, when I express my deeply held beliefs it upsets some folks.

110 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:26:07pm

Oh well.

111 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:27:04pm

re: #108 calochortus


Good article:
False religious liberty

Even if corporations could have religious beliefs, the contraception requirements do not burden religious liberty. The Supreme Court, in United States v. Lee, held that an employer’s personal religious beliefs did not allow a company an exemption from business regulations that applied to its competitors, noting that “limits [employers] accept on their own conduct as a matter of conscience and faith are not to be superimposed on the statutory schemes which are binding on others in that activity.” The Court noted that allowing individual employers religious exemptions from government laws would operate to “impose the employer’s religious faith on the employees.” The same reasoning applies to the corporations seeking exemptions to the ACA’s contraception requirements today—for-profit corporations do not have a compelling religious freedom argument.

112 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:28:26pm
113 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:28:48pm
114 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:04pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

What?

Apparently we were bullying. Or something.

115 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:05pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

These are the same people who are convinced that a woman’s uterus is already lined with a bunch of fetuses and that birth control is the same thing as abortion.

116 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:30:08pm

re: #111 jaunte

And yet, not all courts have found that to be true, apparently.

117 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:31:04pm

re: #113 Kragar

But the fetus has a right to do what it wants with the woman’s body?

118 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:32:26pm

re: #117 calochortus

But the fetus has a right to do what it wants with the woman’s body?

A woman has no right to not get pregnant according to the religious right.

119 Lidane  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:32:28pm

re: #113 Kragar

Didn’t you know? As soon as a woman gets pregnant, she loses all her rights and her autonomy. She’s just an incubator after that.

Of course, if she got pregnant through legitimate rape or because the condom broke, she’s just a whore. If she’s poor and dead set on keeping her baby, she’s a leech and a drain on the system.

120 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:36:13pm

re: #119 Lidane

Didn’t you know? As soon as a woman gets pregnant, she loses all her rights and her autonomy. She’s just an incubator after that.

Of course, if she got pregnant through legitimate rape or because the condom broke, she’s just a whore. If she’s poor and dead set on keeping her baby, she’s a leech and a drain on the system.

But it is bullying to point this out.

121 Kragar  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:37:16pm

re: #120 dr. klys

But it is bullying to point this out.

“QUIT PICKING ON ME!”

122 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:41:43pm

You will never get across to the RW the concept that health insurance belongs to the employee, because her labor purchased it. They don’t even think of wages as something that belongs to the employee. They think of it as a gift, given by the employer to the worker, for which the worker should be grateful.

Perhaps if one turned it around. Suppose their atheist employer told them they couldn’t give any of their salary to the church, and that they couldn’t give money out of their wife’s salary, because the money is ‘fungible’.

123 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:43:56pm

And now for some classic punk…

Ramones (Full Album) 1976

Youtube Video

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:44:25pm
125 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:49:14pm

Wow. That was kind of exhausting and depressing, and damn it, I’m crankier than ever.

126 calochortus  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:51:40pm

I guess it’s time to say goodnight. Hasta mañana, lizards. Stay strong.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:52:44pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Wow. That was kind of exhausting and depressing, and damn it, I’m crankier than ever.

This should mellow you out a little bit… Nancy Sinatra.

Youtube Video

128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:56:10pm

re: #54 freetoken

Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:

Intelligent design should not be ignored

Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?

“Big sigh” - indeed.

Platonism has a lot to answer for.

129 teleskiguy  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:00:45pm

I miss Christopher Hitchens.

Youtube Video

130 jaunte  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:01:26pm

re: #128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

“…All of creation shows the hand of an intelligent designer. Darwin himself said, “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
victoriaadvocate.com

A classic of quote-mining.
en.wikipedia.org

“The quote in context is:
To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.
—Charles Darwin, Origin of Species

131 sagehen  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:01:46pm

Iranian people are apparently delighted with their President for cutting a deal with us; I can’t find this video with subtitles, maybe it’ll be online with English words tomorrow. (Rachel had subtitles on the portion she played on her show tonight, it’s talking about leaving behind enmity and embracing friendship, etc., and the style of the clip is an obvious homage to… you’ll recognize it.)

Youtube Video

132 GeneJockey  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:02:26pm

re: #54 freetoken

Here’s an example from today, which exhibits some of those thinking processes:

Intelligent design should not be ignored

Here are some of my favorite ideas contrary to evolution: How did the evolutionary forces know there existed in the cosmos such things as taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing so they could develop those senses in man?

“Big sigh” - indeed.

Oh, for the love of mike. I’m starting to think there should be a sign that says “You must be this smart to discuss Evolution.”

133 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:04:11pm

Hobby Lobby doesn’t want to pay for IUDs or Plan B because they prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall. Traditional birth control pills aren’t a problem for them.

Does this make a difference to anyone?

(A_B playing the devil’s advocate and asking Scalia questions which will surely occur in open court.)

134 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:08:35pm
135 HoosierHoops  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:12:52pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Hi My Friend..I can’t turn my Nic Blue..What am I doing wrong?
( I’m sure the list is long..)

136 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:13:10pm

FOGGY MOUNTAIN BREAKDOWN - FLATT & SCRUGGS

Youtube Video

137 klys  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:13:14pm

re: #133 austin_blue

Hobby Lobby doesn’t want to pay for IUDs or Plan B because they prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall. Traditional birth control pills aren’t a problem for them.

Does this make a difference to anyone?

(A_B playing the devil’s advocate and asking Scalia questions which will surely occur in open court.)

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: the decision of which form of birth control is used should be between a woman and her doctor. That’s it.

Longest answer: even “traditional” birth control pills work in part by preventing implantation, in the unlikely event that ovulation has occurred. If that’s the exception they try to carve out, then how long before they strip out “traditional” birth control pills as well?

138 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:16:27pm

re: #135 HoosierHoops

Hi My Friend..I can’t turn my Nic Blue..What am I doing wrong?
( I’m sure the list is long..)

Reload the page - had a little bug, now fixed.

139 HoosierHoops  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:24:26pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Reload the page - had a little bug, now fixed.

Think It worked..Thanks Charles

140 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:27:38pm

I am really enjoying the high speed internet. I think it’s been about 5 or 6 weeks now since I got it. I cant believe I had dial up all these years. My kids have been watching cat videos on YouTube the past 2 weeks.

141 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:27:54pm

re: #137 dr. klys

Short answer: no.

Longer answer: the decision of which form of birth control is used should be between a woman and her doctor. That’s it.

Longest answer: even “traditional” birth control pills work in part by preventing implantation, in the unlikely event that ovulation has occurred. If that’s the exception they try to carve out, then how long before they strip out “traditional” birth control pills as well?

I agree. The “Right to Life” movement has long been associated (on its fringes) with the eradication of all birth control. I wish sometimes that someone arguing this case would stand up and tell the Supremes that they should take their religious beliefs and put them into a little bag and flush it the down the toilet before entering the chamber. Especially that pompous windbag Scalia.

Interesting that all of the Supremes are either Jewish or Catholic, now. And the Catholics are by and large the Rad Right.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:32:18pm

Dueling Banjos

Youtube Video

143 Belafon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:33:46pm

re: #141 austin_blue

The more obvious division is not religion, but gender.

144 sagehen  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:39:38pm

Something special for the Doctor Who fans (“The Five-ish Doctors Reboot”)

bbc.co.uk

145 austin_blue  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 10:43:06pm

re: #143 Belafon

The more obvious division is not religion, but gender.

Justice Breyer throws a penalty flag for false misrepresentation of his gender!

It’s religious ideology, pure and simple, with Justice Sotomayor as the outlier. But a Catholic woman, especially a Hispanic woman, has a different life experience than a Catholic man in the US.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 11:01:54pm

A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.

Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12


Youtube Video

147 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:01:55am

re: #23 Zamb

You know what would actually be like Hitler? Invading a bunch of other countries. Seriously these people don’t seem to grasp the idea that it’s WWII and the Holocaust that we hate HItler for, unless you are actively invading your neighbors or systematically rounding up and wiping out certain minorities within your nation there is no real place for a Hitler comparison.

Well. Iran does hang gays. It’s a Tea Bagger paradise.

148 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:14:55am

re: #147 GlutenFreeJesus

Well. Iran does hang gays. It’s a Tea Bagger paradise.

The baggers always say they hate the places which play by their rules.

149 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:23:40am

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.

Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12

[Embedded content]

WPLN (Nashville Public Radio for those not in the area) uses one of their tunes as a “Rejoin.”

Dunno know the name, but it’s a tasty mix of guitar & Hammond B3.

150 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:55:09am

It’s about 3Am and the kid can’t sleep..You have 2 choices tonight.
The White House must choose between 2 Turkey’s to reprieve. Caramel and Popcorn. Popcorn’s Bio lists enjoying long walks on the Beach..Caramel supports Obamacare..You who is getting stuffed don’t you?
Researchers report that what women regret most in life is casual sex.
To which one lady said what we regret is the lousy casual sex..Men..You got to step it up when it comes to casual sex. Just saying..
Clint Eastwood’s 20 year old daughter got married last week in Vegas and requested an annulment today. She claimed it was simply a booze fueled week in Vegas, mmm. so you’re saying there is a chance..Knowing she has to return home to Clint, I’d hang out in Reno for another week or so.

151 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:12:40am

re: #150 HoosierHoops

Giggles.

152 Lidane  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:33:24am

WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.

First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.

I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.

153 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 2:49:11am

re: #149 BeenHereAwhile

WPLN (Nashville Public Radio for those not in the area) uses one of their tunes as a “Rejoin.”

Dunno know the name, but it’s a tasty mix of guitar & Hammond B3.

Great band. You have excellent taste. : )

154 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:07:35am

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

A band I want to see. I’ll be checking to see when they come to Nashville.

Tedeschi Trucks Band - Red Rocks Amphitheater 8 30 12

[Embedded content]

Derek is the son of Butch Trucks, drummer/founder of the Allman Bros Band. He’s been playing pro since he was 13 and is a fabulous guitarist. He and Susan (who’s been around a while, too, terrific soul singer) have been married since 2001, have 2 kids. They’re a great combination, both wonderful musicians and are generous types with other musicians, too. No showy, “bad behavior” BS, just great music, real pros.

155 Tigger2  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:30:58am

re: #114 dr. klys

Apparently we were bullying. Or something.

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I didn’t understand it either.

156 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:34:46am

Thank you, FLOTUS.

First lady recognizes immigration fasters

thehill.com

Her tweet:
“As families begin to gather for Thanksgiving, I’m thinking of the brave #Fast4Families immigration reform advocates. We’re with you. -mo”

The comments are horrible.

157 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:35:06am

I’m getting ready to leave for Alabama. Hopefully we can get this show on the road by 7:30.

158 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:36:27am

re: #157 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

I’m getting ready to leave for Alabama. Hopefully we can get this show on the road by 7:30.

Have a safe trip and wonderful time!

P.S. Are you taking pie? : )

159 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:42:01am

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

Have a safe trip and wonderful time!

P.S. Are you taking pie? : )

There’s half a cherry pie in the fridge. Maybe I’ll wrap it up to eat on the road, just remember plastic forks, plates & napkins.

160 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:43:04am

We’ll be sampling rest stop coffee North to South.

161 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:44:00am

Best coffee on the East/West route: Wawa in eastern PA.

I hope all those folks traveling to the East Coast don’t get hammered too hard.

162 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 3:54:36am

Looks like a setback for Snowden, Greenwald & Co.

EU dismisses claims that U.S. guilty of financial spying

reuters.com

“Last month, Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent member of the European Parliament, told Reuters that Europe needed “full transparency” because of the U.S. National Security Agency surveillance made public by fugitive former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

“EU lawmakers worry the United States is covertly drawing extra information from the database following leaked U.S. documents aired by Globo, Brazil’s biggest television network, indicating that the U.S. government has secretly tapped into SWIFT.

“But Cecilia Malmstrom, Europe’s commissioner for home affairs, said on Tuesday she had not found any proof of wrongdoing.”

Remember, it was Greenwald who appeared more than once on, and provided information to, Globo accusing the US of “spying” on Brazil and obtaining financial information from its industries illegally.

163 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:00:39am

Poutrage from GG because WAPO called Poitras a “documentary film maker” (which I think is her main occupation/vocation) and not a “journalist”.


Not everyone who can write is a “journalist”, GG. Not even you.

164 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:10:50am

re: #160 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

We’ll be sampling rest stop coffee North to South.

You might want to hustle.


Cleburne Co 2 counties over from Birmingham. I think I still have paternal relatives in Anniston (my dad was born in Birmingham in 1910).

165 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:15:14am

re: #152 Lidane

WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.

First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.

I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.

You ought to see the app for WalMart. Ridiculous. I’ve had very responsible jobs that only required a one-page resume and interview.

166 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:22:18am

WTFITS?
I just can’t even. She’s blaming the “Hobby Lobby” thing on OBAMA? WTF.

167 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:27:50am

re: #152 Lidane

WTF @ the ad agency I just put in an application for.

First page of the application was easy. Name, email, resume and three questions — why I want the job, what I wanted to be as a kid and where I see myself in five years. After that, it was 3+ pages of a near Myers-Briggs personality test, then another several pages of math word problems and vocabulary and logic questions.

I didn’t know that applying for a client services job would include fractions and absolute values. What the actual fuck? Talk about a ridiculous vetting process.

“Where you see yourself in five years” is such bullshit. The way the economy and business practices are, no one can predict where they will be or what they will be doing in five years. You can’t plan out your lifetime career any more.

168 Flounder  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:31:08am

Good morning. If you are traveling I would like to wish you a very safe trip. Snow turned to sleet, and is now rain in upstate NY. Five degrees colder and we would have had a foot. Eff work today ;)

169 Flounder  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:36:59am

Horse pulling Amish buggy shot in drive-by
timesunion.com

170 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:39:19am

re: #167 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

“Where you see yourself in five years” is such bullshit. The way the economy and business practices are, no one can predict where they will be or what they will be doing in five years. You can’t plan out your lifetime career any more.

You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).

171 Flounder  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:42:05am

A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.

nypost.com

Some things I just really don’t need to know.

172 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:50:30am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).

Five years ago I was at the company I am now, and five years before that I was with the same company. But we won’t mention the years of unemployment in between contracts.

173 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:51:25am

All right I have to pack everything in the car and get this show on the road. Zedushka is taking his sweet time and I know he will want a last cigarette too.

174 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:56:33am

re: #171 Flounder

A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.

nypost.com

Some things I just really don’t need to know.

He sounds like a real dick.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:59:12am

Medieval Angry Birds…

176 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:01:06am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).

So they want you to be dishonest.

Terrific.

177 Flounder  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:01:25am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like a ballchinnian.

178 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:07:31am

re: #171 Flounder

A movie I have no interest in watching, Unhung Hero, the story of a man with a small tally-whacker.

nypost.com

Some things I just really don’t need to know.

At least he’s a comedian. This is criminal.

Husband broadcasts drunk, naked wife on Playstation 4

nypost.com

179 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:08:06am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

So they want you to be dishonest.

Terrific.

No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.

180 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:11:12am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.

So, they want obedient robotic workers with no ideas of their own.

Terrific.

181 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:12:07am

re: #178 Justanotherhuman

At least he’s a comedian. This is criminal.

Husband broadcasts drunk, naked wife on Playstation 4

nypost.com

I’d also fault Sony for failing to remember an important rule: If you allow live streaming video from your device, you will end having your device streaming nudity and people acting like assholes. If this case the result featured both of those things.

Why people see the need to show the entire world how stupid or nasty they are escapes me.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:12:49am

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

So, they want obedient robotic workers with no ideas of their own.

Terrific.

It’s more complicated than that. But you already know that, don’t you? ;)

183 Stoatly  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:20:17am

David Bowie has been a thing of splendour for as long as I remember loving music - I’m delighted his uncanny ship continues to sail into new waters
Youtube Video
Love Is Lost (Hello Steve Reich Mix by James Murphy)

184 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:24:12am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

It’s more complicated than that. But you already know that, don’t you? ;)

No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.

Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.

185 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:31:23am

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.

Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.

That’s why I always talk about my honesty in an interview: If the employer wants a weasel, then they have other people to choose from. But like you I won’t break the law just because my boss wants me to.

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:35:30am

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.

Their logic is often “Others are doing it and if I don’t, I am putting myself at a competitive disadvantage!”

187 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:45:23am

re: #186 Sol Berdinowitz

Their logic is often “Others are doing it and if I don’t, I am putting myself at a competitive disadvantage!”

Keeping up with the competition isn’t worth getting in trouble with the law. Better to be out of work than in prison.

That goes double for non-managers. The boss has more money than you do, and prosecutors, like most trial lawyers, tend to go after weaker prey first.

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:46:58am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Keeping up with the competition isn’t worth getting in trouble with the law. Better to be out of work than in prison.

That goes double for non-managers. The boss has more money than you do, and prosecutors, like most trial lawyers, tend to go after weaker prey first.

It don’t count if you don’t get caught. And besides, you have low-echelon folks to take the rap if things really get hairy.

189 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:50:12am

re: #188 Sol Berdinowitz

It don’t count if you don’t get caught. And besides, you have low-echelon folks to take the rap if things really get hairy.

Hence my “that goes double” line. If you find your boss has that kind of mentality, get away from the situation, however you can.

190 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:05:12am

If a boss is willing to screw customers, partners or regulatory agencies, just consider how his employees rate on the scale…

191 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:06:58am

re: #114 dr. klys

WTF? I really wish Gus would put his posts in context. It’s impossible to understand him sometimes because I have no idea what he’s talking about. He leaves a sentence or two with no reference at all to what he’s commenting about with a “later” or something like that, and I’m often left wondering, well, WTF?

I know he’s been going through a lot, but it’s hard to have a conversation with a person who does that. I hope he feels better soon. I like Gus, but this stuff confuses the hell outta me.

192 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:14:08am

re: #65 Gus

I knew the knives would come out sooner or later. God, you people can be so creepy sometimes. Later.

Arrrgh!

I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.

I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!

Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.

But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???

I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.

Damn.

193 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:14:23am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

scrumtrulescent

Heh, LGF strikes again. Had to look that one up.

194 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:17:52am

re: #192 ObserverArt
Just go upding him it should cancel that out. I’ve made that mistake before.

195 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:26:09am

re: #192 ObserverArt

Arrrgh!

I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.

I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!

Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.

But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???

I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.

Damn.

You can reverse dings, you know.

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:27:23am

Just hit them with a ding bat

197 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:28:50am

Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.

198 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:29:21am

re: #197 Political Atheist

Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.

linky link?

199 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:30:17am

re: #198 Sol Berdinowitz

nation.time.com

200 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:30:27am

re: #192 ObserverArt

Arrrgh!

I just clicked a downding on Gus’s #65 and did not mean too.

I was wondering why he was downdinged and accidentally hit the minus button. Shoot!

Gus, I am so sorry, I did not mean it…I’m suffering badly from a cold that set in late yesterday and am dragging butt today. Please forgive me. It was unintentional.

But I am concerned about Gus. What happened last night to cause all that???

I’m gonna grab some hot tea and go back under the covers. This is no way to start the day.

Damn.

Didn’t know that happened because I didn’t read back that far. Gus seems to be in pain and going through some tough times. He has my empathy totally.

Then I did read back a way, and the vibes started to get a little dicey. Even Charles:

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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I think his was more about the moronic posts coming from the ‘bagger types, though.

We all get that way from time to time, for the most part. Anyone who says they’re happy all the time is lying.

When you get old like me, people come to you, though, if you’re lucky, and I’m happy that my kids expect me to cook—while I still can (although I didn’t last year and that was OK, too, having it at g-daughter’s). Established that tradition a long, long time ago. It makes me happy to feed people, and we always have someone else who has no where else to go. Ten here tomorrow. And yes, I’m cleaning and cooking between comments (which I consider is a little rest). It’s raining and nowhere we have to go today.

201 S'latch  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:34:47am

Sometimes Tommy Emmanuel looks as though he is amused by his hands playing the guitar, as if he were not actually in control of them, but he is just really enjoying the music his hands are playing.

202 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:34:50am

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

I’m trying to find a break in the crappy weather to get to the store to get a few things and deposit a long awaited check into the bank. It’s 20 degrees here because we’re under a wind advisory with gusts up to 45MPH. Which means trees are gonna fall in some areas and all the collateral damage that goes with that. It also snowed a little here, not enough to stick on the roads, but enough to make people stupid. It’s either that or sneak outta here early and get to Kroger against my no shopping on turkey day rule.

203 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:36:31am

re: #202 A Mom Anon

I’m trying to find a break in the crappy weather to get to the store to get a few things and deposit a long awaited check into the bank. It’s 20 degrees here because we’re under a wind advisory with gusts up to 45MPH. Which means trees are gonna fall in some areas and all the collateral damage that goes with that. It also snowed a little here, not enough to stick on the roads, but enough to make people stupid. It’s either that or sneak outta here early and get to Kroger against my no shopping on turkey day rule.

I don’t think we’re going to get anything but rain, and it’s supposed to be around 40-42 all day, except later when it gets down to 20. Tomorrow will be sunny and no precip. : )

204 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:40:56am

Thanks to those that mentioned you can upding to cancel a downding. I did not know that. I feel better now…except for the cold.

Still concerned about Gus though. I hope he is okay.

205 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:42:12am

re: #197 Political Atheist

Lucky or unlucky kid? A young boy was actually hit in the head by several tiny meteorites. Got 2 staples in his scalp to fix the split scalp. The odds must be so long of that happening.

Very long. It’s only happened 2 times in the US since the end of WWII. This time and in 1954, the person hit did not suffer permanent injury. The other major hit in 1992 hit a car, a 12-year old Chevy Malibu, but the owner wasn’t inside. She made out alright, though, given that she sold the car to a museum for $10,000.

206 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:46:12am

re: #190 Sol Berdinowitz


Indeed. Workers are so thrilled to be working on Thanksgiving that employers are firing them for refusing to do so.

And I disagree with the lede of this article about employers who are open or closed on Thanksgiving. Those retailers that refuse to be closed on Thanksgiving have declared war on families, not Thanksgiving. Putting profits ahead of togetherness, and many of these retailers are already known for treating their workers like crap (WalMart, I’m looking at you).

207 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:48:05am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Derek is the son of Butch Trucks, drummer/founder of the Allman Bros Band. He’s been playing pro since he was 13 and is a fabulous guitarist. He and Susan (who’s been around a while, too, terrific soul singer) have been married since 2001, have 2 kids. They’re a great combination, both wonderful musicians and are generous types with other musicians, too. No showy, “bad behavior” BS, just great music, real pros.

Glad to hear that Derek Trucks in following his family’s tradition; apparently didn’t adopt his uncle Butch’s attitude, and puts all his energy into his music and family.

Butch, as talented and educated as he is (studied music at FSU), was one of the two more truculent members of the ABB, and was difficult to deal with.

Suspect that Dwayne Allman would have enjoyed Derek’s tone and slide guitar technique.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:55:42am

I haz a page about how the War On Christmas just got very weird…

littlegreenfootballs.com

209 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:00:46am

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

No, not “more complicated” than that. I’ve been asked to do illegal things and I refused—something as simple as using my notary seal on a signature I did not witness (it was related to a divorce). I was on solid ground in refusing to do so.

Bosses will try to get away with whatever they think they can.

A good question to ask oneself in situations like this is, “would I want to testify about this under oath in court?”

210 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:03:42am

This is a spot of good news ahead of the holiday weekend. An autistic teen from Marlboro NJ had been missing for more than a week, but was found in Ohio safe. The teen had been spotted at NY’s Port Authority Bus Terminal, but was apparently directed to a bus for Marlboro NY instead. It’s still not clear how he got to Ohio.

Unfortunately, there’s another autistic teen from NYC who’s still missing more than a month after walking out of his school midday. Avonte Oquendo, a 14-year old boy who’s nonverbal, is still missing despite massive searches across NYC since October 4.

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:04:30am

re: #206 lawhawk

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Indeed. Workers are so thrilled to be working on Thanksgiving that employers are firing them for refusing to do so.

And I disagree with the lede of this article about employers who are open or closed on Thanksgiving. Those retailers that refuse to be closed on Thanksgiving have declared war on families, not Thanksgiving. Putting profits ahead of togetherness, and many of these retailers are already known for treating their workers like crap (WalMart, I’m looking at you).

Add Barnes & Noble to your ‘good’ list, folks, since they’ll be closed tomorrow.

212 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:10:24am

re: #19 ObserverArt

I know a real good guitarist that does make some lists and very few people probably know of him. Phil Keaggy. Saw him many times in a rock band he had back in the late 60s/early 70s…Glass Harp. As a matter of fact he and they impressed Jimi Hendrix and recorded their first album at Electric Ladyland studios, right before Hendrix passed away.

[snip]

Looks like we stomped around the same turf in those days. I grew up just north east into PA from Youngstown and remember Glass Harp. Good music. Michael Stanley is still going strong in this area also. And my areas claim to fame was producing Trent Reznor (my dad still has one of his family’s heaters in his pole barn :-)).

213 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:29:19am

re: #207 BeenHereAwhile

Glad to hear that Derek Trucks in following his family’s tradition; apparently didn’t adopt his uncle Butch’s attitude, and puts all his energy into his music and family.

Butch, as talented and educated as he is (studied music at FSU), was one of the two more truculent members of the ABB, and was difficult to deal with.

Suspect that Dwayne Allman would have enjoyed Derek’s tone and slide guitar technique.

Yes, uncle. Brain fart there, as is the case when getting old. : )

Still, I don’t think Derek gets enough credit for his playing but he is a pretty laid back guy, very calm. Susan is very influential in his life.

214 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:38:24am

re: #212 Eventual Carrion

Looks like we stomped around the same turf in those days. I grew up just north east into PA from Youngstown and remember Glass Harp. Good music. Michael Stanley is still going strong in this area also. And my areas claim to fame was producing Trent Reznor (my dad still has one of his family’s heaters in his pole barn :-)).

I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.

And I worked with Trent Reznor’s cousin at my last job. And, I have a guy I do some freelance work for that is still one of The Michael Stanley Band’s biggest fans. As you probably already know Dan Pecchio played bass with Michael Stanely after Glass Harp broke up. I think he is retired now.

Ohio always had a very active music scene. My best times were at the Agora in Columbus, where I moved after high school to go to college. I probably saw over 200 or more shows there and other places in Columbus. Two strong memories of those days was seeing Canned Heat at a Midnight show and those guys “boogied” until the wee hours of the night. Also, saw Genesis on their very first tour through America. Lots of Brit bands would start their American tours in Ohio at the three Ohio Agora Ballrooms. One was in Toledo, one in Cleveland and one in Columbus. It would allow the bands to have three venues they could tune up their acts over three nights within 200 miles of each other.

And, the Agoras always turned out the audience. That is except for Genesis who were almost unknown in America at that time. If there were 100 people at their Columbus show they didn’t let it bother them. My buddies and I plopped down on the floor right in front of Peter Gabriel and were totally entranced with the show. They did a full two hours with all the costumes and backdrops, videos and lighting. It was fantastic and the small crowd let them know it. I know I did!

I’ve always loved music, especially live. And as you can tell I love talking about it too! Those were great days. Not quite the same these days. There are still decent shows here in Columbus, but the days of seeing three and four bands at a venue or an outdoor concert aren’t like they used to be. It seemed in the early 70s there would be an outdoor show somewhere in Ohio every weekend. We used to joke that you could see Foghat, Aerosmith, REO Speedwagon, Montrose or Ted Nugent (groan…I want my money back!) and a few others almost any weekend.

215 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:38:53am

In the process of making yeast rolls, deviled eggs and potato salad. Will get up at the crack of dawn and start prepping the turkey and other dishes. By the time we eat, starting around 1-2-ish, I’ll probably need a nap. : )

I don’t really do that many desserts, but g-daughter is bringing some. I might even try out the dishwasher this year (I’ve never used it because I enjoy washing dishes and can never get a full load).

216 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:41:25am

For those flying or expecting visitors flying in, Flight Aware has the current travel delays and problem areas. NYC metro area airports are starting to see delays, especially as the winds begin to pick up.

217 Joanne  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:45:44am

re: #55 jaunte

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Yes, birth control is just like an optional alcoholic beverage.

218 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:47:36am

re: #216 lawhawk

For those flying or expecting visitors flying in, Flight Aware has the current travel delays and problem areas. NYC metro area airports are starting to see delays, especially as the winds begin to pick up.

On that note, severe thunderstorm/wind warning for Cape Cod.

weather.com

219 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:48:39am

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

No, they want someone who’s not going to flake out on them. People whose plans don’t extend 5 years may be job-hoppers or just plain restless, but companies still prefer people who will do a job as long as the company wants them to.

Once upon a time I was somewhat active in WoW. (20+ hours a week, daily blog, that sort of thing. Just a little active.) I got asked by some guilds to help design the interview questionnaires, and as a result gained a lot of sympathy for HR. Not least, they suffer the problem tech and everyone else gets dealing with bosses who listen carefully to their experts and then ignore them. sigh.

Anyway and on to the point, what amazed me was how often the people actually asking don’t really ask about what they want and then get frustrated because they get square pegs for their round holes.

If you’re looking for people who will do extra hours on a regular basis, make questions that check for that. If you want people to jump to your tune, don’t hunt for individualists - and by the same token if you want imaginative self-starters quit setting your resume sweep to ignore anyone without check-the-box markers. (Because the imaginative self-starters are going to have ping-pong resumes as they tried different things, and failed at more than one.)

Sorry. personal rant suppressed for now - I could go on.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:54:12am

re: #217 Joanne

Because discussing nuanced, complex issues on Twitter is like trying to read Wuthering Heights in semaphore

221 bubba zanetti  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:57:18am

As an employer, if I actually had a choice I’d really prefer my employees didn’t get pregnant so I could depend on them for the long term*.

I guess these “Jerb Creyaterz” know something I don’t.

* My experience is that most quit. Some come back and help part-time after a year or so. But for me pregnancy means I’ll have to find a replacement.

222 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:58:50am

re: #214 ObserverArt

I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.

And I worked with Trent Reznor’s cousin at my last job. And, I have a guy I do some freelance work for that is still one of The Michael Stanley Band’s biggest fans. As you probably already know Dan Pecchio played bass with Michael Stanely after Glass Harp broke up. I think he is retired now.

Ohio always had a very active music scene. My best times were at the Agora in Columbus, where I moved after high school to go to college. I probably saw over 200 or more shows there and other places in Columbus. Two strong memories of those days was seeing Canned Heat at a Midnight show and those guys “boogied” until the wee hours of the night. Also, saw Genesis on their very first tour through America. Lots of Brit bands would start their American tours in Ohio at the three Ohio Agora Ballrooms. One was in Toledo, one in Cleveland and one in Columbus. It would allow the bands to have three venues they could tune up their acts over three nights within 200 miles of each other.

And, the Agoras always turned out the audience. That is except for Genesis who were almost unknown in America at that time. If there were 100 people at their Columbus show they didn’t let it bother them. My buddies and I plopped down on the floor right in front of Peter Gabriel and were totally entranced with the show. They did a full two hours with all the costumes and backdrops, videos and lighting. It was fantastic and the small crowd let them know it. I know I did!

I’ve always loved music, especially live. And as you can tell I love talking about it too! Those were great days. Not quite the same these days. There are still decent shows here in Columbus, but the days of seeing three and four bands at a venue or an outdoor concert aren’t like they used to be. It seemed in the early 70s there would be an outdoor show somewhere in Ohio every weekend. We used to joke that you could see Foghat, Aerosmith, REO Speedwagon, Montrose or Ted Nugent (groan…I want my money back!) and a few others almost any weekend.

Yeah, back in the day, you could get a couple of top bands in the same show, too, for a $10 ticket. I saw Clapton, Santana, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and others for really cheap. And you could get away with smoking pot, too, even in the city-owned facility.

Back in the 1990s, when the Eagles did the “Hell Freezes Over” tour, people were paying $100+/ticket and I couldn’t even imagine paying that much to see a rock band. “Lesser” bands could be seen playing at fair grounds and in clubs, cheap.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:01:24am

re: #221 bubba zanetti

As an employer, if I actually had a choice I’d really prefer my employees didn’t get pregnant so I could depend on them for the long term*.

I guess these “Jerb Creyaterz” know something I don’t.

* My experience is that most quit. Some come back and help part-time after a year or so. But for me pregnancy means I’ll have to find a replacement.

This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on people.

224 bubba zanetti  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:03:19am

re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz

This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on people women.

FTFY

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:08:33am

re: #224 bubba zanetti

FTFY

And the men they sleep with. And opposition to ACA is all about ideology, as is opposition to minimum wage and food stamps and any government subsidy that does not benefit corporations over individuals.

226 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:09:09am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

That’s why I always talk about my honesty in an interview: If the employer wants a weasel, then they have other people to choose from. But like you I won’t break the law just because my boss wants me to.

Part of my job is regulatory compliance. So I took the seminars etc. OSHA, AQMD, DTSC, Water Quality, Those guys can and do put people in jail for “following orders” like running unsafe equipment or hidden drains.

227 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:09:46am

re: #224 bubba zanetti

FTFY

If they could legislate in a way to enforce their ideas of manliness as the sole acceptable ones, I think they absolutely would do it.

Actually, I think their anti-gay laws contain an element of policing gender roles and the social performance of gender…

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:11:50am
229 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:12:27am

re: #227 The Ghost of a Flea

If they could legislate in a way to enforce their ideas of manliness as the sole acceptable ones, I think they absolutely would do it.

Actually, I think their anti-gay laws contain an element of policing gender roles and the social performance of gender…

and a heapin’ helpin’ of good old homophobia and fear of confronting their own sexual ambiguities…

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:13:32am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.

If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:14:46am

re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz

Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.

If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.

Top Conservative Cat likes to poke fun at conservatives.

232 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:16:20am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Top Conservative Cat likes to poke fun at conservatives.

No Wai!!!

233 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:17:42am

re: #229 Sol Berdinowitz

and a heapin’ helpin’ of good old homophobia and fear of confronting their own sexual ambiguities…

I think there’s also an aspect of homophobia that comes the way that gay sex is the ultimate violation of gender norms….specifically the male fear of being penetrated, and all the fucked-up gender/power/sex implications thereof.

234 Tim TeaBro  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:20:00am

Benghazi Turkey with Stand Down Stuffing
12 lb turkey
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama

235 chadu  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:20:52am

O/T, but posted a new pages downstairs with some interesting quotes from Orwell:

littlegreenfootballs.com

236 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:24:31am

re: #214 ObserverArt

I’m from the Mansfield Ohio area. Glass Harp used to play concerts in Mansfield quite often. We had them do a concert at my high school my senior year. The show with Joe Walsh and the James Gang was at Ashland (OH) College.

[snip]

Yeah, great area for music. Just last night I was playing the jukebox at the local bar and I put on a couple Maynard Ferguson songs and thought back to the 3- 4 times I caught him in the mid 70’s at the Idora Park ballroom. Great concerts. Nelson Ledges, many great venues.

237 bubba zanetti  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:25:15am

re: #234 Tim TeaBro

Benghazi Turkey with Stand Down Stuffing

You forgot one step:

12 lb turkey
brine in a mixture of piss, vinegar, and wingnut tears
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama

238 Joanne  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:30:37am

re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz

Obama pardoned two turkeys this morning to ensure their silence about his role in Benghazi.

If that was meant as a dig at Obama, it backfired nicely. Shows how tone-deaf they have become outside their own echo chamber.

It’s hysterical to me that the GOP has gone so far off the rails that they far surpass satire. There is no way to satirize Republicans any longer because they out-satire themselves.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:31:21am

re: #237 bubba zanetti

You forgot one step:

12 lb turkey
brine in a mixture of piss, vinegar, and wingnut tears
burn the crap out of it
blame Obama
beat it like a dead horse
blame Obama
ask who stole the stuffing
blame Obama

And serve with a side of sour grapes.

241 Dr. Matt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:31:35am

If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:35:41am

Likely outcomes of owning a real light saber:

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243 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:37:31am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

You can’t say that to a prospective employer, though. You have to talk about how you plan to grow within the company. You don’t want to make them think you’re a flake, or that you think they are a bunch of uncaring assholes (especially if they actually are assholes).

Except, these days, they are a bunch of uncaring assholes. In a fire they’d insist you go back in to save the computers because the computers are more valuable.

Peons can be replaced. The data on those computers? Not so much.

It’s a classic case of ‘reason doesn’t care.’

244 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:38:07am

re: #241 Dr. Matt

If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.

When people do that I usually just mention Beruit and ask what lessons we learned from that. Why did St. Raygun sacrifice all those marines?

245 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:41:53am

re: #241 Dr. Matt

If any of your wingnut relatives mentions Benghazi tomorrow, I highly recommend sitting them at the kiddie table. Be sure to provide them with a plastic spork and sippy cup so they don’t hurt themselves.

My wingnut uncle is rather muted on foreign policy issues. He mostly rants about welfare queens in the ‘hood and moochers. I remind him that he is a retired public school principal and that both my grandparents worked for the City of New York, so his whole life, he’s been a moocher by Romney’s definition. That usually shuts him up.

246 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:44:42am

A humorous PSA from State Farm on deep frying a turkey. Staring Si and Jase Robertson.

Youtube Video

247 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:48:12am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Top Conservative Cat likes to poke fun at conservatives.

Where’s the glory on hitting doubles off the wall when they’re serving batting practice pitches? ;)

248 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:49:48am

re: #243 Romantic Heretic

Except, these days, they are a bunch of uncaring assholes. In a fire they’d insist you go back in to save the computers because the computers are more valuable.

Peons can be replaced. The data on those computers? Not so much.

It’s a classic case of ‘reason doesn’t care.’

Not all of them. The scenario you put out was of course hyperbole, since that would be a violation of ‘best practices’.

249 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:53:56am

re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz

This goes beyond economic or business considerations, it is about imposing an ideology on people.

My experience is that women don’t quit when they get pregnant and come back to work ASAP, in 6 wks or less.

Not every woman, esp working class women, has the option of letting that income go.

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:55:02am

re: #233 The Ghost of a Flea

I think there’s also an aspect of homophobia that comes the way that gay sex is the ultimate violation of gender norms….specifically the male fear of being penetrated, and all the fucked-up gender/power/sex implications thereof.

and that some of these guys are terrified that they are gonna wake up one morning with a hangover and a sore ass and realize that Teh Ghey has gotten them, too!

251 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:55:27am


So was the one that mentioned the ‘Christian identity’ of a hypothetical employer.


In retrospect, so was his recommendation of a Daniel Larison article a few weeks ago.

Those things probably mean little or nothing, but his whole attitude about saying employers should be able to deny women some necessary health care is infuriating. What a broviator.


/not stepping in there on twitter

252 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:56:47am

re: #226 Political Atheist

Part of my job is regulatory compliance. So I took the seminars etc. OSHA, AQMD, DTSC, Water Quality, Those guys can and do put people in jail for “following orders” like running unsafe equipment or hidden drains.

Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:

1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul

253 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:59:57am

re: #246 Bubblehead II

A humorous PSA from State Farm on deep frying a turkey. Staring Si and Jase Robertson.

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That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.

254 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:03:12am

re: #253 GeneJockey

That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.

Is this the one?

Youtube Video

255 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:07:19am

Three people were killed when a portion of a stadium being built for the World Cup in Brazil collapsed. A section of a roof truss collapsed causing significant damage.

Not good at all.

257 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:14:39am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Fox Blames Obamacare For Fictional Layoffs At Cleveland Clinic

They are offering ‘voluntary retirement to 3,000 eligible employees’, so I’d rate the story “Mostly False”.

258 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:14:46am

re: #253 GeneJockey

That’s funny! I also like Alton Brown’s video on how NOT to fry a turkey, which a quick search of Youtube has failed to uncover.

That is by far the greatest segment Mr. Brown has ever done. And he sets the bar very high because his show is always high-quality.

259 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:17:11am

re: #254 Bubblehead II

Is this the one?

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Similar, but Alton Brown delivers the message in such a humorous but blunt manner, you manage to laugh while being absolutely horrified at the same time.

260 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:20:02am

Wow, amazing assault on a straw man by a galtian genius at Forbes:

forbes.com

Any honest reading of what Pope Francis is saying is not that it’s a bad thing that the abject poor are rising from poverty. He’s denouncing the growing income gaps in the developed world, like the US, the EU, and his own Argentina. Worstall can’t be so dense that he doesn’t see that, right? No, he’ll just sweep in under the rug.

I also wonder if he was ever driven into a seething rage by the last Pope protecting child molesters….

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:20:21am
262 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:22:09am

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Thing is, they are doing that to cut costs, not because of the ACA.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:23:09am

re: #262 Varek Raith

Thing is, they are doing that to cut costs, not because of the ACA.

Anyone who goes out of business or lays anybody off for the next two years will be doing it “because of ACA”

264 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:24:12am

Breaking from People Magazine:
The recent Las Vegas wedding between Clint Eastwood’s daughter Francesca and Jonah Hill’s brother Jordan Feldstein appears to have been a big mistake.
“It was a goof off,” a family source tells PEOPLE, adding that the marriage is in the process of being annulled.

Dear Diary:
Day one: I had no idea our trip to Vegas would be so much fun! After a booze filled sex bender Jordan and I headed from LA to Vegas in his Million dollar King Air. We made a little side trip to an unnamed landing strip just outside of Cleveland, Ohio. But it was worth it. Don’t tell daddy but the sex was so much better that night.
Day two: We checked into the Bellagio. I wanted to skinny dip in the water as it sprayed towards the heavens but Jordan convinced me to just flash my tits to the Wine Captain. Gosh..The sex is really good with what’s his face..
I forgot his name and so will you by the weekend. It’s hot being Clint Eastwood’s Baby girl. I hardly have to use his American Express Card.
Day Three: The booze/Drug fueled week is going great. We celebrated Thanksgiving this morning by sharing a bottle of Wild Turkey 101. Room service brought up yummy eggs and a Hooker. What’s his fucking name is a riot! Getting a little fuzzy today so we called the King Air from Miami for a little..If you know what I mean. Lucky I have Daddy’s American Express cause this could get expensive. I’ve almost memorized the 16 numbers on the card..I Don’t understand the expiration date on Daddy’s card.
This is America Right?
Day Four: The Booze filled sex is starting to get old..It was great from day one then the 5 minute grunt and squirt is getting old. I need another drink..
Day five: Daddy called..
Hi Daddy! What? Where? When? Jonah is great Daddy.. I mean Jordan..
Who is your Million dollar baby daddy? Who is your your million dollar baby? Say it Daddy..No..Don’t spell it..Say it..
You can’t say my name? oh.. You missed the e.. I’m pretty sure my name has an e in it daddy..No..I’m pretty sure.. Are you talking to the chair again? Stop talking to the chair..
Day six.. Home at last! After a short hop to Columbia we finally arrived in LA. This was the best goof off I’ve had since I was 16 running through the house yelling ‘I love Rawhide!’ Daddy would smile and keep watching Westerns on TV. He never really got it.
Day Seven: I’m really sleepy and hung over.

265 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:25:48am

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:

1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul

It happened to my cousin (now deceased) who worked for a waste mgmt co in VA in the 80s. On boss’s orders, he did some illegal dumping and got caught. Was tried and convicted, spent 2 yrs in Fed prison, while his boss went back to China and escaped prosecution.

266 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:26:09am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.

267 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:28:07am

Re: the Tom Nicholls stuff above…

1. He analogizes contraceptive coverage to an employee that receives meals as compensation also demanding beer. A better analogy would be a Hindu employer offering meals as compensation but refusing to all the employee to order steak or a Jewish employer requiring employees to eat kosher.

2. He states that in requiring contraceptive coverage, employers are now being required to subsidize an employee’s sexual choices. This is just frightfully wrong: A) there are plenty of reasons to prescribe various types of contraceptives that aren’t primarily aimed at avoiding pregnancy and B) as was pointed out, it’s the employee’s money. Leaving that aside, it’s exactly the opposite—it’s the employees subsidizing the employer’s religious beliefs. While health coverage is compensation, it does require that the owner come out of pocket to pay part of the premium. The cost of contraceptive care is now shifted fully to the employee, when it otherwise shouldn’t be due solely to the employer’s alleged “religious freedom”. The employer now spends less on health care coverage and lines its pockets with bigger profits.

3. Finally, this whole concept that a corporation can have religious freedom is absolutely ridiculous. It’s a person as a legal fiction only. If the 1st Amendment can extend to a corporation, why not voting rights?

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:28:13am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.

I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.

269 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:32:19am

re: #264 HoosierHoops

Good, you’re here. Since the blog was talking about WWII recently, when I found this next story I wanted to post it. I waited for you because you’re our resident “submarine guy”:

Nazi Submarine Torpedoed During WWII Likely Found With Crew’s Remains (PHOTOS)

A tip from local divers swimming in the Java Sea has led to what is believed to be the wreck of a Nazi submarine sunk during World War II.

Indonesian researchers announced the discovery this week after examining the hulking underwater structure, which also contained at least 17 skeletons likely belonging to the vessel’s crew, the Agence France-Presse reports.

SNIP

A group of divers from the Yogyakarta Archeology Center and the Yogyakarta Diving Center first reached the sub on Nov. 9, according to the Jakarta Post. Although they have not yet discovered any identifying features on the outside of the vessel, they did discover evidence inside the sub that suggests it belonged to German forces. Among the items discovered inside was a pair of plates with Nazi insignia, the report notes.

So far, the National Research Centre said it believes the submarine is the “U-168,” which was torpedoed in 1944 by a Dutch submarine. The fact that the submarine’s hull is greatly damaged may be a result of this, Haaretz reports.

One of the plates in question:

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270 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:33:19am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.

That’s your choice. My own family is calm enough to avoid an unpleasant topic if asked without being butthurt.

271 Joanne  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:07am

re: #267 Mike Lamb

Re: the Tom Nicholls stuff above…

1. He analogizes contraceptive coverage to an employee that receives meals as compensation also demanding beer. A better analogy would be a Hindu employer offering meals as compensation but refusing to all the employee to order steak or a Jewish employer requiring employees to eat kosher.

2. He states that in requiring contraceptive coverage, employers are now being required to subsidize an employee’s sexual choices. This is just frightfully wrong: A) there are plenty of reasons to prescribe various types of contraceptives that aren’t primarily aimed at avoiding pregnancy and B) as was pointed out, it’s the employee’s money. Leaving that aside, it’s exactly the opposite—it’s the employees subsidizing the employer’s religious beliefs. While health coverage is compensation, it does require that the owner come out of pocket to pay part of the premium. The cost of contraceptive care is now shifted fully to the employee, when it otherwise shouldn’t be due solely to the employer’s alleged “religious freedom”. The employer now spends less on health care coverage and lines its pockets with bigger profits.

3. Finally, this whole concept that a corporation can have religious freedom is absolutely ridiculous. It’s a person as a legal fiction only. If the 1st Amendment can extend to a corporation, why not voting rights?

This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.

272 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:10am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.

WHO SHOT FIRST?!?!?

273 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:48am

re: #271 Joanne

This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.

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Lol.

274 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:35:58am

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I know. Which leaves someone ordered to do something illegal with five choices:

1. Comply with the orders and risk a criminal conviction.
2. Refuse the order and be fired, likely with no unemployment (in Illinois it would be up to the iDES person reviewing your case and you’d have to convince him/her that the order was illegal).
3. Resign the position, which even more likely forfeits unemployment but does preserve your work record.
4. Inform the relevant regulatory agency of the violation, which may work well if they decide to intervene but if they don’t you’ll be canned and despised as a snitch.
5. Rand Paul

6. Better Call Saul. Any employment attorney would love to have a client who was fired for refusing to break the law. *Or so I suspect.

275 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:40:15am

Speaking of butthurt

After news of the flights emerged, the Chinese defense ministry responded cautiously Wednesday, saying it had monitored the planes’ activity on the edge of the air defense zone. The statement held back from criticizing the U.S. action.

276 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:40:58am

Linky fixed.

277 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:41:13am


Indeed. The D’s are not immune.

Stupak rented a room at the C Street Center, a Washington, D.C. facility of The Fellowship (also known as The Family), a Christian fraternal organization

278 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:43:44am

re: #275 Varek Raith

Speaking of butthurt

Made me laugh.

Dude Aaron Guembes
• 12 hours ago

Monitored B-52s? That’s like noticing two 747’s flying over your house.

279 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:44:05am

re: #274 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

6. Better Call Saul. Any employment attorney would love to have a client who was fired for refusing to break the law. *Or so I suspect.

Calling the lawyer requires money. Employment lawyers won’t even see you about a wrongful termination case without cash or a certified check up front, and even if they are sure about the case they’ll insist on a 4-digit retainer. Wrongful termination cases are hard to win, especially since disobeying the illegal order may not be the stated cause of termination.

280 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:48:12am

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

That’s your choice. My own family is calm enough to avoid an unpleasant topic if asked without being butthurt.

If your family is that calm, then you likely don’t have the experience of being goaded and harassed into having a conversation you don’t want to. Of someone saying “it’s just a debate” while doling out insults and canards, or just plain shouting down any statement that’s longer than a paragraph and contradicts them. Of someone saying “it’s all in good fun” when it’s not good fun to be insulted over and over, have your integrity, your sanity, and your patriotism questioned.

And, of course, leaving is considered anti-family/even more rude. So you’re put in the position to just be ranted at or being seen as anti-social.

I”m in the same boat as Backwoods. People invite me to things, then treat me terribly. How often do I get to hear about my lack of Jesus, or how gross the brown people I grew up around are. How often does someone ask me a complex question about Islam or the environment, only to talk over my sincere attempt to answer. But if I don’t go, everyone doesn’t understand, and I get branded as the one doing something wrong…and it’s not just the nuts and eccentrics that shut you out.

281 HoosierHoops  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:48:44am

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Ahhh. 1944 marked the end of the ’ happy times ’ For Nazi Subs. Our Happy times started with Subs coming into port with brooms attached to the Sail indicating a ’ clean sweep ‘

282 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:56:28am

ABL to the rescue (of my mood, at least):

283 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 9:59:57am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.

I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!

/// had to!

284 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:00:28am

re: #283 ObserverArt

I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!

/// had to!

SMACK!

285 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:01:54am

re: #280 The Ghost of a Flea

If your family is that calm, then you likely don’t have the experience of being goaded and harassed into having a conversation you don’t want to. Of someone saying “it’s just a debate” while doling out insults and canards, or just plain shouting down any statement that’s longer than a paragraph and contradicts them. Of someone saying “it’s all in good fun” when it’s not good fun to be insulted over and over, have your integrity, your sanity, and your patriotism questioned.

And, of course, leaving is considered anti-family/even more rude. So you’re put in the position to just be ranted at or being seen as anti-social.

I”m in the same boat as Backwoods. People invite me to things, then treat me terribly. How often do I get to hear about my lack of Jesus, or how gross the brown people I grew up around are. How often does someone ask me a complex question about Islam or the environment, only to talk over my sincere attempt to answer. But if I don’t go, everyone doesn’t understand, and I get branded as the one doing something wrong…and it’s not just the nuts and eccentrics that shut you out.

You’re right: I’ve never been in that position. And thus I once again realize how lucky I really am.

286 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:03:20am

re: #275 Varek Raith

Speaking of butthurt

Can you really imagine China doing anything to upset the US govt when they need all those US dollars they’re making from mfg?

The US employs 11.9M mfg employees. Image: fredgraph-3.png In 2006, it was estimated there were 112M people employed in Chinese mfg, but true figures are hard to obtain.

We also have to remember that when mfgrs do open facilities in the US, they are generally in the non-union south (and I’ve personally noticed also, in rural areas).

287 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:03:50am

re: #283 ObserverArt

I agree. That is why the conversation should be switched to The Affordable Care Act instead!

/// had to!

Obamacare fulltime for us. (4 of the people at our table will be navigators.)

288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:04:29am

Resisting the urge to attach a name *cough*Rand Paul*cough*Ted Cruz*cough*Mitch McConnell*cough*John Boehner*cough* to that one in the lower left corner:

289 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:05:09am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

Calling the lawyer requires money. Employment lawyers won’t even see you about a wrongful termination case without cash or a certified check up front, and even if they are sure about the case they’ll insist on a 4-digit retainer. Wrongful termination cases are hard to win, especially since disobeying the illegal order may not be the stated cause of termination.

Many lawyers accept wrongful (ETC) termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.

At least, that’s done in NC.

290 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:10:37am

Woohoo! The sun is out here.

291 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:11:40am

re: #289 Justanotherhuman

Many lawyers accept wrong termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.

At least, that’s done in NC.

Yep. Plaintiff’s side employment law work is almost always on a contingency.

292 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:14:56am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

Woohoo! The sun is out here.

Rain/snow/meteor mix here.
Also, cold.
And windy.

293 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:16:55am

Whew. Well, that’s one way to get out of bed.

294 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:16:58am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Another story floating around is how insurers are limiting their networks and excluding certain hospitals from their networks, including Cedars Sinai and Memorial Sloan Kettering.

Left ignored is that you’d still get coverage there, just at the out-of-network rate.

And that’s something insurers have been doing all along.

295 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:17:15am
296 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:20:16am

Morning Lizards.

re: #295 Charles Johnson

It’s about as intelligible as the arguments some men make online.

297 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:23:01am

re: #293 Charles Johnson


Well Good Morning and Happy Thanksgiving!

298 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:23:41am

It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.

299 piratedan  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:26:47am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.

the kind of folks where the only thing fucked is their politics….

300 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:06am

re: #289 Justanotherhuman

Many lawyers accept wrongful (ETC) termination cases on a contingency basis, if they feel the case is worthy of pursuing. They always take 1/3 of the proceeds if it can be settled, 40% (at least) if it goes to court.

At least, that’s done in NC.

In Illinois labor lawyers will often take a case largely on contingency, but they always require some cash up front and usually need a retainer fee. The first is because a good number of people who talk about filing such a suit are flakes or crackpots; requiring a couple hundred in cash up front limits those meeting with the lawyer to those willing to make some level of commitment. The retainer is to cover initial expenses, in case the lawyer’s initial inquires turn up a situation where a lawsuit is unlikely to be successful.

You also have to remember that a fair number of wrongful termination suits are thrown out on summary judgement, and lawyers take that into account.

301 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:39am
302 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:27:50am

re: #282 wrenchwench

ABL to the rescue (of my mood, at least):

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I am very, very glad there are sane people out there. Very glad.

On the flip side, it feels like for some folks, this is just another “outrageous outrage” that isn’t worth their time and it’s creepy that we obsess about it. Damn uppity women bringing their healthcare concerns into the political arena. We should apparently just sit down, shut up, and let the religious right strip us of the ability to make decisions regarding our own bodies - or at least, if we’re going to make noise about it, do so quietly so as to not disturb their own world-bubble.

Fuck that.

303 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:31:21am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.

To be fair, I’m probably not terribly rational on this but that’s because it’s *my* body and *my* healthcare access at stake.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:31:23am

Hubby just called. Last night’s winter storm fizzled out, so he doesn’t have to go out on storm work, which means he gets to come home tonight.
This is the first Thanksgiving (or any holiday, for that matter) in about five years that we’ll be together.
Yays!

305 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:32:15am

re: #271 Joanne

This is my favorite. That he doesn’t see the irony of his entire argument in this one statement is truly amazing.

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Tom is a fucking moron

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:32:23am

heh…

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:06am

re: #305 Kragar

Tom is a fucking moron

I’m rethinking the name for that critter in the Medieval Manuscripts tweet.
Leaning more toward it being Tom…

308 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:08am

Patience pays. In my neighborhood we have this black and white cat. We would see her hunting crickets and acting hungry. Not feral but scared. So each night D_L takes her a plate of dry food. Trust builds, now either of us can feed her and even pick her up. Nobody in the neighborhood owns this cat. Been asking for weeks.

So we now have a vet (health and chip scan) and a prospective new owner all lined up. Day after Thanksgiving the rescue is ON.

309 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:34:38am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.

You know, I can see the moral objection to abortion. I’m morally opposed to it too. That being said, I want it legal because that’s the least worst option.

Contraception? I have no idea. It’s gotta be entirely about the need to keep woman as chattel of men, dating back to Mosaic law or something.

In my mind, contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.

310 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:36:04am

re: #309 Ian G.

You know, I can see the moral objection to abortion. I’m morally opposed to it too. That being said, I want it legal because that’s the least worst option.

Contraception? I have no idea. It’s gotta be entirely about the need to keep woman as chattel of men, dating back to Mosaic law or something.

In my mind, contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.

Except its never been about abortion.

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:36:41am

re: #309 Ian G.

…contraception should be available free, no questions asked, at every convenience store in the fucking country. Schools should be required to teach boys and girls every last thing about every contraception method out there. Do this, and I guaran-fucking-tee that the abortion rate will plunge, as will single motherhood, poverty, crime, etc.

It will do us no good when God smites us for being forniculators.

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:10am
313 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:20am

re: #310 Kragar

Except its never been about abortion.

It’s about SLUTS.

Essentially.

And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!

314 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:37:53am

re: #298 Charles Johnson

It’s stunning how many people who are otherwise rational turn into stubborn ideologues when the issue is contraception or abortion.

If he’s a practicing Catholic, and he’s getting married soon, he’s getting an extra dose of doctrine from his church right now. Full of righteous dudebronation.

315 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:38:35am

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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Also, sausage casings.

316 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:38:41am

re: #310 Kragar

Except its never been about abortion.

For some people, I’m sure it’s about abortion. For the GOP and the religious right, you’re correct, it’s not about abortion.

317 Mike Lamb  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:39:24am

re: #313 dr. klys

It’s about SLUTS.

Essentially.

And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!

Not essentially. Exactly. One need only recall the reaction to Sandra Fluke’s testimony.

318 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:40:40am

re: #313 dr. klys

It’s about SLUTS.

Essentially.

And that birth control apparently makes a woman into one. By magic! No other sexual partners required!

Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist if he can toss a football.

319 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:41:38am

Control of others, especially women.

That’s what this is about.

Abortion and contraception are proxies for that underlying need by socons and the GOP (but I repeat myself) to control women. They’ve been fighting against women’s liberation from the household since before Rosie the Riveter showed that women should not be confined to the home.

They’re stuck on trying to go back to a time that is best left in the history books.

320 Joanne  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:42:31am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m rethinking the name for that critter in the Medieval Manuscripts tweet.
Leaning more toward it being Tom…

No, no…there are more than enough who fit that bill…er, tail…er…whatEV. :-D

321 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:42:51am

re: #316 Ian G.

For some people, I’m sure it’s about abortion. For the GOP and the religious right, you’re correct, it’s not about abortion.

Even when it is about abortion, it’s a messed up view of abortion. Women battle their fertility with all they have in ‘em, but eventually they lose one. Then the only option is to abort. A huge percentage of fertilized eggs ‘abort’ themselves, but let a woman decide to encourage one more to fail to implant, and she’s going against God, man, and nature.

It’s fucked up, and unscientific.

322 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:12am

re: #321 wrenchwench

Even when it is about abortion, it’s a messed up view of abortion. Women battle their fertility with all they have in ‘em, but eventually they lose one. Then the only option is to abort. A huge percentage of fertilized eggs ‘abort’ themselves, but let a woman decide to encourage one more to fail to implant, and she’s going against God, man, and nature.

It’s fucked up, and unscientific.

WE ARE ALL BABIZKILLERZ!!!

//

323 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:15am

re: #318 Kragar

Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist if he can toss a football.

Rapists only do so because the woman was asking for it by dressing provocatively. Which, when you think about it, isn’t all that different from arguing that the woman deserved to have acid thrown at her by dressing provocatively by not covering her head.

324 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:39am

re: #321 wrenchwench

It’s fucked up, and unscientific.

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.

- Thomas Aquinas

325 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:44:47am

Greenwald is at it again, and this time its the Huffington Post that’s helping his DERP:

The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target’s credibility, reputation and authority.

The NSA document, dated Oct. 3, 2012, repeatedly refers to the power of charges of hypocrisy to undermine such a messenger. “A previous SIGINT” — or signals intelligence, the interception of communications — “assessment report on radicalization indicated that radicalizers appear to be particularly vulnerable in the area of authority when their private and public behaviors are not consistent,” the document argues.

Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are “viewing sexually explicit material online” and “using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls.”

I personally see nothing wrong with the NSA doing this. It’s exactly like like outing a wingnut preacher who rants about the evils of gayness while having a secret ‘rent boy’.

326 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:45:22am

re: #318 Kragar

Meanwhile, they’ll bend over backwards to cover up for a rapist if he can toss a football.

FTFY.

But seriously…you scratch the surface of this stuff and you find out that women are supposed to be the sexual goalkeepers because men are uncontrollable. SLUTS are thus a crisis, because apparently only women have moral agency—and sapience—when it comes to sex. Men can’t help themselves, so they’re never really rapists.

There’s no intellectual distance between the anti-contraception people and that abstinence fuckwit that was being lambasted a fortnight ago.

327 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:45:51am

re: #324 Kragar

- Thomas Aquinas

Still waiting for this latest Pope to come around…..

328 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:46:54am

re: #327 wrenchwench

329 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:47:13am

re: #326 The Ghost of a Flea

FTFY.

But seriously…you scratch the surface of this stuff and you find out that women are supposed to be the sexual goalkeepers because men are uncontrollable. SLUTS are thus a crisis, because apparently only women have moral agency—and sapience—when it comes to sex. Men can’t help themselves, so they’re never really rapists.

There’s no intellectual distance between the anti-contraception people and that abstinence fuckwit that was being lambasted a fortnight ago.

We have such a fucked up, misogynistic view of sex in this country, in the dominant culture.

330 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:47:42am

re: #328 Kragar

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Yes, Francis will get right on that…
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331 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:49:32am

re: #328 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh lashes out at the Pope over his critique of inequality

Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.

332 Joanne  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:51:25am

re: #331 Sol Berdinowitz

Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.

Probably strikes a little too close to home.

Off to a meeting I go. Cheers all! BBL.

333 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:54:15am
334 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:54:43am

re: #332 Joanne

Probably strikes a little too close to home.

Off to a meeting I go. Cheers all! BBL.

Or at least close to his Costa Rican vacations.

335 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:11am

re: #331 Sol Berdinowitz

Then he should lash out at the Pope for mistreating young boys.

Yeah. I never heard a peep of outrage from the right during Benedict’s reign that he was sheltering child molesters. But the new guy suggests that a Randian Utopia might not be the best thing in the world, and they all freak the fuck out.

Just ditch the Christianity, guys, and build a golden statue of Ayn Rand. It’s what you all really believe anyway, especially when you consider what Jesus said again and again about the rich.

336 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:29am

re: #333 Kragar

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“Dr Chaps”???

ROFL

337 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:55:56am

re: #336 Varek Raith

“Dr Chaps”???

ROFL

assless?

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:56:12am

THIS!

339 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:20am
340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:27am

cuteness!!!!

341 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:57:30am
342 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:58:20am

re: #336 Varek Raith

“Dr Chaps”???

ROFL

Total closet case.

343 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:59:14am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

cuteness!!!!

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You otter hand out insulin syringes with those tweets.

344 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 10:59:37am

re: #328 Kragar

[ Media Matters ✔ @mmfa - Follow

Rush Limbaugh lashes out at the Pope over his critique of inequality. mm4a.org
1:44 PM - 27 Nov 2013]

Why should Rush care about what the Pope says…he’s not Catholic! I believe he is Methodist.

(in reference to a comment yesterday)

345 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:00:04am
346 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:01:11am

re: #341 Kragar

Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.

347 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:02:21am

re: #346 Eventual Carrion

Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.

The Battle of Kadesh, 1274 BC

348 Kragar  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:02:37am
349 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:04:47am

re: #347 The Ghost of a Flea

The Battle of Kadesh, 1274 BC

Fought with space ships.
FACT.

350 Schadenboner  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:05:52am

re: #346 Eventual Carrion

Jeez, when did journalism change from “just the verifiable facts” to “tell me a lie I can report that my ‘readers’ want to hear”.

The memory of man runneth not to the contrary.

351 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:10:33am

re: #349 Varek Raith

Fought with space ships.
FACT.

Ramses II was a clone of Teddy Roosevelt.

FACT.

352 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:10:46am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just completely avoid holiday gatherings with my wingnut relatives.

And I don’t have any wingnuts in my immediate family, either ‘Nuclear’ or ‘Of Origin’.

353 Lidane  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:17:32am

re: #251 wrenchwench

When I pointed out to that guy that birth control has valid medical uses for conditions such as PCOS and endometriosis, he countered that he could see making an argument about necessity for the Pill but that it would be hard to justify the IUD. Cue me pointing out that the IUD has medical uses too, and that it’s cost effective in the long run, so denying any birth control coverage = denying health care. Also, it’s not up to me or him or anyone else to dictate medical necessity except a woman and her doctor.

Cue total silence except for some non-answer about how SCOTUS is about to determine if I’m right or wrong about that, but that it’s not a crazy question to ask.

What the fuck? He’s asking questions where the answers will only affect one gender. How is that NOT crazy?

354 Lidane  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:19:06am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

My suggestion: Conversation about Obamacare should be barred while having Thanksgiving dinner. It generates hostility in what should be a pleasant meal.

Oh come on. Everyone knows that the way you avoid fights and family drama at Thanksgiving is by discussing politics and religion at the table.

Heh.

355 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:19:22am

re: #328 Kragar

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Time to invest in popcorn futures.

356 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:21:55am

re: #339 wrenchwench

New wallpaper at work. heh.

357 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:24:58am

re: #353 Lidane

When I pointed out to that guy that birth control has valid medical uses for conditions such as PCOS and endometriosis, he countered that he could see making an argument about necessity for the Pill but that it would be hard to justify the IUD. Cue me pointing out that the IUD has medical uses too, and that it’s cost effective in the long run, so denying any birth control coverage = denying health care. Also, it’s not up to me or him or anyone else to dictate medical necessity except a woman and her doctor.

Cue total silence except for some non-answer about how SCOTUS is about to determine if I’m right or wrong about that, but that it’s not a crazy question to ask.

What the fuck? He’s asking questions where the answers will only affect one gender. How is that NOT crazy?

The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.

Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.

Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.

358 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:28:22am

re: #357 wrenchwench

The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.

Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.

Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.

Well, you know, women get all emotional and men need to protect them from themselves. Or something.

359 klys  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:30:42am

re: #357 wrenchwench

The IUD is the only effective contraception for some women, and still it fails, as do all contraceptive measures except sterilization. Lots of women get sterilized for lack of a better option. Many would not resort to that if abortion were not stigmatized.

Elective abortions save lives too. They should be covered by insurance. Idle observers should never be allowed to decide which abortions and which bc measures are OK. And the Hyde Amendment should die. It kills women.

Tom clearly thinks he knows better about women’s fertility than women do.

I can’t give you enough updings for this.

360 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 11:57:18am

re: #354 Lidane

Oh come on. Everyone knows that the way you avoid fights and family drama at Thanksgiving is by discussing politics and religion at the table.

Heh.

I remember many other things that started verbal scrapes at the table, and they had nothing to do with either politics or religion. Sometimes the wrong word about the one family member with start it off.

That depends on the family of course, but I am sure some can remember some good debates about the youngest child or that one uncle that is just different from the main family character.

361 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 12:23:37pm

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

Yes, uncle. Brain fart there, as is the case when getting old. : )

Still, I don’t think Derek gets enough credit for his playing but he is a pretty laid back guy, very calm. Susan is very influential in his life.

Derek is well respected among his peers (some of whom wish they had his chops). The buzz around Derek from a very early age has always been, “wow have you seen this kid play the guitar? He’s amazing.”

Back then he was likened to a young Dwayne Allman because of his young prodigy slide technique, but now he’s respected as a very good performer in his own right.

I’m just glad to see Derek and Susan doing well, and apparently avoiding unnecessary drama. That shit gets old fast.

FWIW, Dave Matthews travels with his wife and family all packed into his tour coach. Although Derek and Susan are probably more normal.


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