Nelson Mandela Dead at the Age of 95

The passing of a human rights hero
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South African President Jacob Zuma announced today that Nelson Mandela passed away at the age of 95. A life well lived, and an inspiration that will never die.

I had the privilege of meeting Mr. Mandela, when the Al Jarreau Band played in South Africa in 1993. He was totally down to earth; joked about sneaking into the concert, and made a point of personally meeting everyone in the band. A great experience of a great man who will be remembered throughout history.

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1 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:17:45pm

Lovely that you got to meet him in person. The closest I ever got to President Mandela was when he came to Toronto and spoke at an outside rally in the early 1990s. I was close enough to snap a picture but that was it.

RIP Mandela.

2 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:18:46pm

Sad of course, but the last few times he was seen in public he seemed so very tired. I suspect he was ready to go after an amazing and inspirational life. Not a perfect man, but then who is?

3 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:21:02pm

I don’t often get teary, but this time I’ll make an exception.

We don’t see people who put aside hatred nearly often enough.

4 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:21:20pm

Youtube Video

Another version of what Shvaughn posted in the previous thread.

5 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:22:08pm

Rest in peace, great leader.

6 Schadenboner  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:22:45pm

No one should shed tears about a the end of a long life filled with this much achievement.

…I’ve just got something in my eye.

…Both eyes.

…Shutup.

7 Shvaughn  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:23:10pm

I hope the Onion is right but I suspect we’ll be seeing a wave of racist hate toward him any minute now.

8 Schadenboner  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:23:12pm

re: #5 William of Orange

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Rest in peace, great leader.

#ThingsthatwontbesaidaboutCameron ?

9 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:23:45pm

alev ha shalom!

10 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:23:57pm
11 Flying Squirrel Girl  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:24:17pm

re: #3 Romantic Heretic

One of the most difficult books to get through that I’ve ever read was about the Truth and Reconciliation hearings. Indeed the only way they got through it was to put hatred aside, and often that seemed much easier for the victims than the people who wielded the power.

12 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:24:58pm

re: #3 Romantic Heretic

I don’t often get teary, but this time I’ll make an exception.

We don’t see people who put aside hatred nearly often enough.

This.

13 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:25:14pm

Fucking Tapper, Karl and Todd. The three dumb men. Happy Holidays.

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:25:15pm
15 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:25:35pm

re: #6 Schadenboner

No one should shed tears about a the end of a long life filled with this much achievement.

…I’ve just got something in my eye.

…Both eyes.

…Shutup.

Me too now. David Cameron’s comment got me.

16 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:25:50pm

Prez speaking.

17 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:26:01pm

re: #7 Shvaughn

I hope the Onion is right but I suspect we’ll be seeing a wave of racist hate toward him any minute now.

Don’t worry, it’s already started. Check out Free Republic for example.
I won’t link.

18 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:26:30pm

I was glued to the TV set the moment he left prison for the final time in 1990. Such an emotional moment. Feeling quite sad now.

19 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:26:30pm

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:27:09pm

I’m too young to really have understood what was going on with Mandela in the early years of my life. Hell, I was only 6 when he was finally released from prison and 10 when he was elected President and apartheid ended. But I still recognize the significance today of his passing and give thanks that the next generation will live in the world this man helped make a bit freer.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:27:24pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

pitiful and sad people they are.

22 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:28:21pm

Closest person we’ve come to Jesus.

23 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:28:36pm

I said this in the other thread, but it bears repeating: Mandela really needs to be remembered for carrying out the transition from apartheid to full democracy without civil war or genocide or anything close to that breaking out. South Africa could have easily, easily gone the way of Yugoslavia or Iraq or Lebanon or India/Pakistan. It didn’t. The country needs a lot of work on crime and corruption, but then again, what developing nation doesn’t? At least if/when true prosperity comes, all its citizens will get to enjoy it.

24 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:29:03pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

I’m shocked, shocked!

25 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:29:28pm

Many of you will remember I kept the LGF prayer list for along time.
I felt no shame going to my knees to say a prayer for Nelson..Even if you are at work.. Bow your head for a silent prayer..A hero for all humanity for all time.
As tears streamed down my face,,, a thought came to me..
’ If not him Lord..Who? ‘

26 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:29:33pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

pitiful and sad people they are.

Cultural leftovers, dinosaurs out of sync with the rest of the fucking world. To them, one of the darkest days in America’s history was the passage of the CRA.

27 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:30:06pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

You know, some day enough people will grow sick of all that hatred. And if they don’t, let the fuckers die the bitter twits they are. Good always wins out and hatred always destroys the hater.

28 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:31:00pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

pitiful and sad people they are.

Well, they think the Confederacy was superior to the United States, of course they’d think a white supremacist dictatorship is superior to a multi-racial democracy.

29 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:31:22pm
30 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:31:51pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

jamesben • 24 minutes ago −
Will victims of the ANC’s BARBARIC practice of “necklacing” be compensated form Mandela’s estate?

Ya, I didn’t think so - good riddance.
11 3 •Reply•Share >

That’s 11 likes so far.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:33:09pm

re: #30 Amory Blaine

yeah, as if they really give a rat’s ass about “necklacing”…over there…

32 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:33:13pm

re: #22 William of Orange

Closest person we’ve come to Jesus.

Great comment.

Along that line, it will be interesting to hear what the new Pope says in regard to Nelson. I bet he uses him as an example of good in the world and someone to emulate.

More haters heads will explode!

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:33:27pm

re: #25 HoosierHoops

Many of you will remember I kept the LGF prayer list for along time.
I felt no shame going to my knees to say a prayer for Nelson..Even if you are at work.. Bow your head for a silent prayer..A hero for all humanity for all time.
As tears streamed down my face,,, a thought came to me..
’ If not him Lord..Who? ‘

Lord grant your servant a comfortable place in the light after the long and hard road he has trod and continue to make the best of what he started to build in the Republic of South Africa. Amen.

34 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:34:10pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

You really don’t want to see the CNN/Disqus comments. Unapologetic white supremacist postings abound there.

35 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:34:51pm

Two years ago this month we lost a great man who beat back the forces of tyranny, and went on to lead his country Vaclav Havel. Today we lost a great man who triumphed over racism and the hideous scar on humanity that was apartheid. Thank you for making that word one that will ALWAYS live in the past tense.

Thank you for your struggle, you have earned your rest…

36 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:34:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

I dared to look. I need to bleach my eyes now. Thanks, CJ.

P.S. Apparently Mandela was a commie bastard too in Breitard world. Then again, who isn’t?

37 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:36:19pm

Jim Hoft retweeted:

38 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:36:57pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

I dared to look. I need to bleach my eyes now. Thanks, CJ.

P.S. Apparently Mandela is a commie bastard too in Breitard world. Then again, who isn’t?

A just punishment for you.

I noted one commenter at FR suggested the bottom half of Mandela’s face looks rather like Obama’s. Who knew they wanted to compliment Obama over there?
/

39 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:37:21pm

Couldn’t have said it better.

“Let us pause and give thanks that Nelson Mandela lived.” Pres Obama

A man admired the world over for his strength, purpose and peaceful attitude in leading his country to independence and free from the yoke of apartheid.

40 Shvaughn  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:38:12pm

re: #37 Lord of the Pies

Jim Hoft retweeted:

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Of course he did. :p

41 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:38:16pm

Youtube Video

42 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:40:35pm

re: #37 Lord of the Pies

Jim Hoft retweeted:

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Maybe if the US hadn’t been so chummy with the white nationalist government, Mandela would not have had to turn to the other side for help.

Anyway, if Mandela had been interested in becoming a Hugo Chavez-esuqe thug, he had every opportunity to do so. He didn’t. End of discussion.

43 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:40:47pm

Charles, is there a recording available of the shows you did in South Africa, it would be a treat to see/listen to one.

44 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:40:52pm

re: #23 Ian G.

I said this in the other thread, but it bears repeating: Mandela really needs to be remembered for carrying out the transition from apartheid to full democracy without civil war or genocide or anything close to that breaking out. South Africa could have easily, easily gone the way of Yugoslavia or Iraq or Lebanon or India/Pakistan. It didn’t. The country needs a lot of work on crime and corruption, but then again, what developing nation doesn’t? At least if/when true prosperity comes, all its citizens will get to enjoy it.

An excellent point. And keep in mind…an African country with plenty of ‘blacks’ that kept it together and kept their cool.

Just like the African-Americans were able to keep it together under Martin Luther King during civil rights activism here.

And we should also mention Mahatma Gandhi who most likely helped inspire both King and Mandela.

All treated with white evil hatred. Two killed, one jailed for a great portion of his life.

Grace and dignity. Many whites could learn to have a bit of it. Even those that consider themselves spiritual and political leaders.

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:41:00pm

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

46 Egregious Philbin  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:41:21pm

I mistakenly looked over at FR, the evil and the hate just festers and grows over there, ironic, as the number of elderly angry white guys who post there just gets smaller and smaller.

They are the dregs of the worst part of a dying generation. No one will miss them.

47 Shvaughn  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:41:57pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

Fuck you, Jim Hoft.

48 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:42:06pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Charles, is there a recording available of the shows you did in South Africa, it would be a treat to see/listen to one.

I actually just searched YouTube and didn’t find anything. I don’t know of any recordings of those shows, unfortunately.

49 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:43:27pm

Youtube Video

50 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:43:42pm

re: #37 Lord of the Pies

Jim Hoft retweeted:

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That really is one of those things that will forever stick in their craw about the Cold War, that the US was ultimately on the wrong side of apartheid.

51 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:43:44pm

Who maintains the “Communist party” Twitter feed? I’ll bet it’s not even a communist.

There are like only two 100-year-old communists alive and they probably don’t know how to do Teh Twitters.

52 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:46:45pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

Hoft is but a tiny piece of dirt under the shoe of a man like Mandela. And it eats him.

53 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:47:18pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

I thought that Reagan eventually was convinced to place some sanctions against South Africa although he initially balked at doing so but I could be wrong. Cheney is on record having been strongly opposed to sanctions though.

54 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:48:15pm

Part of me can’t help but wonder how the GOP will fuck up with regard to Mandela’s passing. But the other part of me is fine waiting a few hours.

Rest in peace, kind man.

55 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:52:04pm

re: #53 Patricia Kayden

I thought that Reagan eventually was convinced to place some sanctions against South Africa although he initially balked at doing so but I could be wrong. Cheney is on record having been strongly opposed to sanctions though.

Reagan’s position was pretty much the same position the US had held for decades prior, that apartheid was preferable to a communist South Africa, so opposing the Afrikaner regime wasn’t an option unless we could ensure a capitalist regime would take over.

Then again, that really was our approach to all foreign policy during the Cold War, that oppression and tyranny was okay so long as they were on our side.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:52:07pm
57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:53:58pm
58 spiderx  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:54:42pm

comment section at Free Republic will surprise no one.

freerepublic.com

59 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:57:02pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

And here I thought they’d be leading with the Democrats were the ones racist and opposed to Mandela!!1!11.

60 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:57:14pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

I actually just searched YouTube and didn’t find anything. I don’t know of any recordings of those shows, unfortunately.

That’s a shame. So many good performances are lost because no one bothered, or perhaps was permitted to record. I love the Grateful Dead attitude to “tapers”. Now that’s a wonderful archive of performances.

61 spiderx  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:57:45pm

nation.foxnews.com

more racism in comment section. It would be one thing if it was just random racist comments. But whenever a racist comment is left on Fox Nation it gets a lot of “likes” by the other users there.

62 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:58:19pm

Good God, strolling through my facebook timeline and everything link, every news article, & every blog has teatards spewing utter hatred toward the man. Hell, even Raw Story has been littered with their idiocy. rawstory.com

Stay classy, assholes.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:58:41pm

re: #58 spiderx

My surprises, let me show you them.

64 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:59:41pm

Mandela was a hero’s hero. His portrait should be in the dictionary next to the word ‘hero’.

He was not alone, though. It took a long time and a lot of people’s work and lives to take down apartheid. If I believed in afterlives, I’d be imagining Mandela meeting up with Stephen Biko right now.

I guess I can imagine it anyway.

65 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:00:15pm

re: #62 Dr. Matt

So they think MLK was a conservative and Mandela was a terrorist? Conservatives sure are funny. //

66 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:00:44pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

dafuq?

67 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:00:44pm

Reagan’s embrace of apartheid South Africa

68 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:02:23pm

Send a message of condolence here:

nelsonmandela.org

69 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:04:06pm

President Obama’s remarks on the passing of Nelson Mandela.

Youtube Video

70 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:05:48pm

Nelson Mandela’s body is dead.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:06:54pm

re: #62 Dr. Matt

Good God, strolling through my facebook timeline and everything link, every news article, & every blog has teatards spewing utter hatred toward the man. Hell, even Raw Story has been littered with their idiocy. rawstory.com

Stay classy, assholes.

nutjobs on my FB timeline are thankfully silent.
I think they are well into celebrating the 80th anniversary of the repeal of Prohibition…

72 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:07:32pm

re: #23 Ian G.


In retrospect, his words and deeds wont be hard to top. It will be damn near impossible. He helped steer his country on a path towards equality and justice under the law and did so without the kind of bloodshed seen elsewhere in the world following such a historic change in governance - from apartheid to representative government. It’s the kind of change that has led to strongmen, dictatorships, civil wars, coups, and yet Mandela helped shepherd South Africa onto a different, better path.

He will be missed and his successors - human rights advocates worldwide - have impossible shoes to fill.

73 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:07:55pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Nelson Mandela’s body is dead.

As Obama said, ‘He belongs to the ages.’

I feel lucky to have shared the same earth. I am not sad.

Well, a little sad.

74 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:07:57pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

i try to think of them as public utilities helping to drain off excess aggression

unfortunately some of the toxins are thereby exposed to public view running the risk of re-contagion

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:09:35pm
76 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:12:11pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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In retrospect, his words and deeds wont be hard to top. It will be damn near impossible. He helped steer his country on a path towards equality and justice under the law and did so without the kind of bloodshed seen elsewhere in the world following such a historic change in governance - from apartheid to representative government. It’s the kind of change that has led to strongmen, dictatorships, civil wars, coups, and yet Mandela helped shepherd South Africa onto a different, better path.

He will be missed and his successors - human rights advocates worldwide - have impossible shoes to fill.

And he did all of this after years of “experts” saying it couldn’t happen, that if the Afrikaner regime were to be undone, it would only lead to bloodshed and anarchy as “radicals” took over. The man did in 4 years what the West had been fighting against for decades. For that, he will be forever honored.

77 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:13:46pm

Nelson Mandela may very well be the greatest human being born in the 20th century.

No exaggeration.

78 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:13:54pm

re: #72 lawhawk

He had the courage to stand for his convictions, against both the obvious and the subtle challenges.

As WW said, I am lucky to have shared the Earth with him. I hope I can strive toward the example he set, even if it is on a much less dramatic scale.

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:14:57pm
80 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:15:16pm
81 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:15:47pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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In retrospect, his words and deeds wont be hard to top. It will be damn near impossible. He helped steer his country on a path towards equality and justice under the law and did so without the kind of bloodshed seen elsewhere in the world following such a historic change in governance - from apartheid to representative government. It’s the kind of change that has led to strongmen, dictatorships, civil wars, coups, and yet Mandela helped shepherd South Africa onto a different, better path.

He will be missed and his successors - human rights advocates worldwide - have impossible shoes to fill.

I sort of disagree but not in a bad way. Nothing is impossible when human drive takes over.

Like many things: Roger Banister running the 4 minute mile when it couldn’t be done, now done by many, like the private that picks up the flag in battle and drives the charging line closer to victory, like the pioneers of air flight from the drawings of DaVinci to the experiments by the likes of the Wright Brothers and others, like my earlier reference to Gandhi leading to King leading to Mandela…people let what they are inspired by drive them to the next step.

It is how humans get somewhere. If we didn’t have such inspiration humans would still be knuckle-dragging cavemen.

Well, some anyway.

/

82 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:16:25pm

Evening Lizardim from the bitterly cold wild north country. I pushed through to the other side of last night’s snowstorm to find this news waiting for me; it is a sad day for all of us here on planet Earth, as one of the great champions of our time has finally fallen. May he rest in the peace for which he fought so valiantly. How go things among the lizardfolk?

83 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:16:39pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

I don’t believe in Hell, at least not the fire and brimstone version, but it would be worth it to exist if Jim Hoft would go there after he dies.

84 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:17:50pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Nelson Mandela’s body is dead.

Perfectly stated. The memory and love are eternal.

85 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:17:57pm

My personal tribute

86 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:18:17pm
87 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:18:45pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Not surprising when you remember that they pray at the altar of St. Reagan, whose administration dubbed the ANC “terrorists,” spent the 80s arguing that the Afrikaners were actually “moderates” between two extremes, and only saw economic sanctions imposed on South Africa because Congress overrode a presidential veto.

88 Whack-A-Mole  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:19:30pm

re: #52 ObserverArt

Hoft is a piece of excrement who shouldn’t be allowed to write with anything more advanced than Crayola crayons.

89 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:19:51pm

re: #83 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don’t believe in Hell, at least not the fire and brimstone version, but it would be worth it to exist if Jim Hoft would go there after he dies.

Good lord, no.

I don’t want him anywhere near me.

90 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:19:58pm

My South African friend stated it thusly:

Although I’ve never liked (and definitely never voted for) the ANC, I still rate Mandela as one of the best Presidents South Africa has had.

91 DodgerFan1988  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:20:04pm

The commenters on Glenn Beck’s website are out of control with their overt racism.
theblaze.com

92 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:20:08pm
93 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:20:33pm

re: #89 BongCrodny

Good lord, no.

I don’t want him anywhere near me.

LOL!

94 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:24:12pm

Conservative Wingnut philosophy:
Mote in your eye? Disqualifies you from any legitimacy, in any area.
Log in my (or my friend’s) eye? Not a problem, we’re all human after all.

95 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:25:34pm

Huffpo has Obama’s video regarding Mr. Mandela.

96 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:25:50pm

Can we refer to him as Tata?

97 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:26:51pm

re: #58 spiderx

comment section at Free Republic will surprise no one.

freerepublic.com

Their celebration - yes, you read that right - of Mandela’s passing has made it to a second active thread.

freerepublic.com

98 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:28:11pm

re: #97 RadicalModerate

Their celebration - yes, you read that right - of Mandela’s passing has made it to a second active thread.

freerepublic.com

“Zero will attend the funeral, no doubt.”
posted on 12/5/2013 4:48:01 PM by fhayek


Yes, zero….no doubt. Definitely.

99 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:28:13pm

re: #97 RadicalModerate

Their celebration - yes, you read that right - of Mandela’s passing has made it to a second active thread.

freerepublic.com

In contrast:

Live Reuters Video: commemorations upon the death of Nelson Mandela in separate locations - Soweto and near the Mandela family house

live.reuters.com

100 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:29:44pm
101 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:30:19pm

“World soccer body FIFA ordered flags to be flown at half mast and a minute’s silence to be held before the next round of international matches after the death of Nelson Mandela on Thursday.

“Reuters’ Alan Baldwin reports that FIFA president Sepp Blatter, in Brazil for Friday’s draw for the 2014 World Cup, paid tribute to the former South African president and Nobel Peace Prize winner in a statement:

“It is in deep mourning that I pay my respects to an extraordinary person, probably one of the greatest humanists of our time and a dear friend of mine: Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela,” said the Swiss. When he was honoured and cheered by the crowd at Johannesburg’s Soccer City stadium on 11 July 2010, it was as a man of the people, a man of their hearts, and it was one of the most moving moments I have ever experienced.”

live.reuters.com

102 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:30:20pm

I am beginning to wonder if this hatred being expressed on all these web sites is starting to see it become the nadir of hate. There has to be a tipping point somewhere. A jump the shark point.

Or, it will lead to destruction when enough haters become out of control somewhere sometime and are mashed down by authority be it both civil and/or moral. Something big will wake them up and drive them back to at least acting civil. I know they’ve always existed, but damn it seems they are allowed out in the open freely with the ‘net driving it. And bad always leads to more bad until ultimate consequence beats it.

Going off on someone like Mandela in the face of how he is seen and his deeds seems like they can’t get too much crazier without something blowing up.

103 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:30:47pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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Here’s some more for the Right Wingers to hate on.

Saying the government should lead by example, President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the federal government to nearly triple its use of renewable sources for electricity by 2020.

abcnews.go.com

104 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:31:26pm

re: #98 Dr. Matt

Zero is a nickname for Obama.

105 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:31:59pm
106 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:32:27pm

A flawed man, as we all are, who suffered the worst humans can do to each other yet lived a powerful and inspirational life. A life we all should aspire to, but too few follow.

I was so afraid his family and politicians would attach his shell to a machine to prolong his symbolism instead of letting him die with dignity. I’m glad to have been wrong.

107 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:32:44pm
108 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:33:06pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Either jumping the shark or their very own personal Ft. Sumter.

109 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:33:21pm

re: #103 Tigger2

Here’s some more for the Right wingers to hate on.

Saying the government should lead by example, President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the federal government to nearly triple its use of renewable sources for electricity by 2020.

abcnews.go.com

Not to rain on the parade, but I would rather have it done right and in the right places, rather than blindly saying, “Oh, just do more renewable energy by this date.” It may not be plausible to do so in a reliable and cost-efficient fashion.

110 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:35:07pm

re: #109 thedopefishlives

Not to rain on the parade, but I would rather have it done right and in the right places, rather than blindly saying, “Oh, just do more renewable energy by this date.” It may not be plausible to do so in a reliable and cost-efficient fashion.

It’s a start, and probable the only way you are ever going to get a start.

111 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:36:35pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

Either jumping the shark or their very own personal Ft. Sumter.

Nice example of what I was getting at.

The good guys are always slow to react. But piss ‘em off and there will be hell to pay!

112 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:37:14pm
Mandela is one of the greatest leaders in the history of mankind and reading his quotes are very touching especially the following quote: “No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”
113 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:37:19pm

re: #110 Tigger2

It’s a start, and probable the only way you are ever going to get a start.

Honestly, I’m a bigger fan of limited, targeted rollouts rather than big blanket statements like this. I understand the sentiment - I won’t disagree with it - but I want projects like this to succeed. I don’t want another Republican poster child for ZOMG BIG GUBMINT WASTING ALL OUR TAX DOLLARS ON WORTHLESS RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT DON’T WORK!!!1!11

114 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:38:01pm

re: #109 thedopefishlives

Not to rain on the parade, but I would rather have it done right and in the right places, rather than blindly saying, “Oh, just do more renewable energy by this date.” It may not be plausible to do so in a reliable and cost-efficient fashion.

Hey, where’s that can-do spirit? That’s six years to get it on, from a variety of sources.

115 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:38:22pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Very interesting work of art. How Mandela looks depends on one’s point of view.

116 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:39:01pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

Honestly, I’m a bigger fan of limited, targeted rollouts rather than big blanket statements like this. I understand the sentiment - I won’t disagree with it - but I want projects like this to succeed. I don’t want another Republican poster child for ZOMG BIG GUBMINT WASTING ALL OUR TAX DOLLARS ON WORTHLESS RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT DON’T WORK!!!1!11

I’m for whatever works.
And the Republicans are going to do that no matter how it goes, Their energy big money donors will see to that

117 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:39:33pm

re: #30 Amory Blaine

A very conservative friend mine just posted something similar on FB, saying that the people paying tribute to Mandela didn’t know their history:

Was just seeing a lot of (granted, this sort of thing is pre-packaged) tributes to Nelson Mandela on my TL today. I ain’t sayin’ he’s the devil - he *did* help accomplish some great things - but an honest look at his legacy reveals it’s… mixed. He’s credited with helping to end some really awful policies in South Africa, but was not the non-violent idol the ignorami claim he was. He didn’t get sent to prison for protesting - he got sent there for leading a terrorist organization funded and controlled by the USSR that was in the middle of a campaign of bombings. They tortured and murdered *thousands* of people. One of their preferred methods involved putting a tire around their necks, dousing them with gasoline, and setting them on fire. They called it ‘necklacing’. His image has been whitewashed. Granted, he was a much softer man when he emerged from prison, but even after his incarceration, he had his moments. As recently as last year, he advocated the massacre of any/all descendants of the white Boer settlers. Not a saint.

118 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:41:30pm

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Hey, where’s that can-do spirit? That’s six years to get it on, from a variety of sources.

I’m the guy that would’ve taken JFK’s statement to put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960’s as complete and utter lunacy. I get the principle of “go big or go home”, but the practicalist in me wants detailed, realistic goals. Nevertheless, at least someone’s thinking in the right direction.

119 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:42:01pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

I am beginning to wonder if this hatred being expressed on all these web sites is starting to see or become the nadir of hate. There has to be a tipping point somewhere. A jump the shark point.

Or, it will lead to destruction when enough haters become out of control somewhere sometime and are mashed down by authority be it both civil and/or moral. Something big will wake them up and drive them back to at least acting civil. I know they’ve always existed, but damn it seems they are allowed out in the open freely with the ‘net driving it. And bad always leads to more bad until ultimate consequence beats it.

Going off on someone like Mandela in the face of how he is seen and his deeds seems like they can’t get too much crazier without something blowing up.

Given the hero-worship of individuals like Anders Breivik, George Zimmerman, and James Von Brunn — not to mention all of the “race war now” rhetoric finding its way into public discussion as of late, I fear what that tipping point might be - after all, racially-motivated murder isn’t too much for these people.

120 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:45:15pm

re: #119 RadicalModerate

Given the hero-worship of individuals like Anders Breivik, George Zimmerman, and James Von Brunn — not to mention all of the “race war now” rhetoric finding its way into public discussion as of late, I fear what that tipping point might be - after all, racially-motivated murder isn’t too much for these people.

And what can we do about it?

If Mandela’s legacy is to be anything, we must learn from him and act on his example.

I think it is a jump the shark point.

kinda like we’ve been given a shit or get off the pot mandate.

121 White African American  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:47:22pm

Hamba kahla, Madiba.

I remember visiting my sister in South Africa about a decade ago. She is a senior editor for the equivalent of NPR/BBC. The station has an audio obituary on file for every major public figure. She was working on updating Mr Mandela’s obituary.

It was strange, and sad, listening today to a version of an obituary I first heard a decade ago.

Go well, Mr Mandela.

122 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:47:28pm

peggy noonan, professional brain surgeon and founder of general motors and at&t

And this president wasn’t. I think part of the reason he wasn’t careful is because he sort of lives in words. That’s been his whole professional life—books, speeches. Say something and it magically exists as something said, and if it’s been said and publicized it must be real. He never had to push a lever, see the machine not respond, puzzle it out and fix it. It’s all been pretty abstract for him, not concrete. He never had to stock a store, run a sale and see lots of people come but the expenses turn out to be larger than you’d expected and the profits smaller, and you have to figure out what went wrong and do better next time.

and what exactly did ronald reagan or george w bush do before becoming president?

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:48:09pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

Honestly, I’m a bigger fan of limited, targeted rollouts rather than big blanket statements like this. I understand the sentiment - I won’t disagree with it - but I want projects like this to succeed. I don’t want another Republican poster child for ZOMG BIG GUBMINT WASTING ALL OUR TAX DOLLARS ON WORTHLESS RENEWABLE ENERGY THAT DON’T WORK!!!1!11

I just have to laugh at the people who scream about renewal energy that doesn’t work.
When the commercial power goes out here, I walk outside to the “power house”, flip some switches, and the wellpump works and a few lights come on. I’d have more happening, but need to get some more circuits wired in.
We’d love to be totally off the grid but we’re sane enough to look at our solar installation as a complement to the commercial supply.
And that works just fine for us for now. But we will be adding more to the solar array and battery banks as we go.

124 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:49:17pm

re: #122 dog philosopher

peggy noonan, professional brain surgeon and founder of general motors and at&t

And this president wasn’t. I think part of the reason he wasn’t careful is because he sort of lives in words. That’s been his whole professional life—books, speeches. Say something and it magically exists as something said, and if it’s been said and publicized it must be real. He never had to push a lever, see the machine not respond, puzzle it out and fix it. It’s all been pretty abstract for him, not concrete. He never had to stock a store, run a sale and see lots of people come but the expenses turn out to be larger than you’d expected and the profits smaller, and you have to figure out what went wrong and do better next time.

and what exactly did ronald reagan or george w bush do before becoming president?

Fuck you, Peg.

125 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:49:41pm

re: #117 Lidane

A very conservative friend mine just posted something similar on FB, saying that the people paying tribute to Mandela didn’t know their history:

Not a lot of famous men in history were saints. The men on Mt. Rushmore were not flawless, they were human beings who made mistakes and did things that future generations would fault them for. But the good they did in life was enough that we venerate them today and honor their memories, rather than tearing them down to perpetuate our own partisan view of the world.

126 SmithCommaJohn  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:49:45pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

The pure class of Jim Hoft.

Fuck Jim Hoft in Hell, forever.

127 Stoatly  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:50:14pm

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Zero is a nickname for Obama.

The RWNJs have so many, and they’re all so very witty, it’s hard to keep up

A good 80% of RW intellectual endeavour must consist of trying to think of hilarious nicknames for the POTUS

(And the other 20% is spent on insulting Michelle)

128 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:50:20pm

re: #120 FemNaziBitch

And what can we do about it?

In the US at least, work for free universal pre-school.

“Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.”

—Nelson Mandela

129 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:50:31pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, no, I know that it works. Fish country is covered in wind farms; in fact, one almost went in in the area immediately surrounding the fish family residence. Solar efficiency has gone way up in recent years, though it’s still relatively abominable. What I want is to set a smaller scope for it in areas that make sense, because as good as it works, it’s still reliant on Mother Nature.

Now if the NIF ever comes through with a viable fusion candidate, on the other hand.

130 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:51:27pm

re: #122 dog philosopher

Yes thought and ideas are dangerous. Thank you Peggy Noonan, you are so wise.

All of this—the fraudulent nature of the program—came as a rolling shock to people the past two months.

Fraud huh?

131 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:52:36pm

I just woke up to this news.

Madiba, uThixo uyakusikelela!

I lived in South Africa for a year, and fell in love with the country. Madiba was was just out his presidency, and was widely admired for the way he led the new South Africa away from its apartheid past and into a majority-led future. His successors, Mbeki, Motlanthe and Zuma, have been much less impressive.

132 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:52:47pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

In the US at least, work for free universal pre-school.

yup

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:52:54pm

re: #121 White African American

Hamba kahla, Madiba.

I remember visiting my sister in South Africa about a decade ago. She is a senior editor for the equivalent of NPR/BBC. The station has an audio obituary on file for every major public figure. She was working on updating Mr Mandela’s obituary.

It was strange, and sad, listening today to a version of an obituary I first heard a decade ago.

Go well, Mr Mandela.

Thank you for sharing that.

134 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:54:15pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

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Yeah. We can skip the hateful comments out of respect for Mandela’s passing. I can already guess at what the Rightwing haters are saying about him. That’s sufficient.

135 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:55:26pm

I tried getting off the pot. Colors are too bland. :p

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:56:03pm

It’s raining, the temperature is dropping.
This will not end well.
But hopefully much better than the Weather Channel is getting all excited about.

137 Kragar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:56:31pm

The good news is I actually accomplished something at work today and uncovered a major issue that no one else had noticed.

The bad news was we were supposed to be the last step and it means 2 government departments and several other sites have been fucking up for the last 18 months,

138 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:57:44pm

I was almost afraid to take a peek at that foremost hive of conservative scum and villainy, Free Republic, but the voyeur in me would not allow me to stay away. It’s about what you expect, but every once in a while some lone freeper will get up on his hind legs and howl defiance at the nutburger consensus. Today it was SES1066 (member since July 21, 2001), who had this to say to his Mandela-bashing cohorts:

As for the comments from my fellow FReepers, I must FIRMLY disagree! He endured extreme tribulation in prison yet when he was released and then became South African President, he worked hard for reconcilliation that could have gone far worse (Rhodesia->Zimbabwe)! Retiring after a single term is a guide, you have to hope will sometime sink into the culture of Strong-man Africa! Yes, many of his ANC successors are far lesser men but that is also true of G.Washington!

139 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:58:28pm

re: #137 Kragar

Attaboy! I squashed a fire at work last night that would have left a mere mortal trembling. Muahaha!!

140 Stoatly  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:59:27pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

Not a lot of famous men in history were saints. The men on Mt. Rushmore were not flawless, they were human beings who made mistakes and did things that future generations would fault them for. But the good they did in life was enough that we venerate them today and honor their memories, rather than tearing them down to perpetuate our own partisan view of the world.

Churchill springs to mind - He held some deeply unpleasant views, and made some damn fool decisions before WWII that got a lot of people killed - but we owe him the greatest of debts

141 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 3:59:38pm

re: #137 Kragar

The good news is I actually accomplished something at work today and uncovered a major issue that no one else had noticed.

The bad news was we were supposed to be the last step and it means 2 government departments and several other sites have been fucking up for the last 18 months,

That moment where you realize they really should be paying you about 10x what they are, because you’re apparently covering the asses of at least that many folks.

142 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:00:25pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

Oooh. The glittery turd does outshine its brethren.

143 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:01:54pm

Chris Matthews : ( interview with Pres Obama coming up right now.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:02:23pm

re: #117 Lidane

Your friend doesn’t know actual history either.
Just sayin…

145 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:02:44pm

Nashville 1984:

This song was played a lot by Vanderbilt University’s radio station.

“Free Nelson Mandela” by the Specials.

[ it really starts to kick ass at about 00:45 ]

Youtube Video

146 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:03:11pm

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147 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:03:49pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your friend doesn’t know actual history either.
Just sayin…

Yes well. That’s what happens when you read Jonah Goldberg.

148 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:03:58pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

The froth will be knee deep considering the warm up the RWNJ have engaged in.

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:04:15pm

re: #129 thedopefishlives

Oh, no, I know that it works. Fish country is covered in wind farms; in fact, one almost went in in the area immediately surrounding the fish family residence. Solar efficiency has gone way up in recent years, though it’s still relatively abominable. What I want is to set a smaller scope for it in areas that make sense, because as good as it works, it’s still reliant on Mother Nature.

Now if the NIF ever comes through with a viable fusion candidate, on the other hand.

Know what you mean. Duke Energy has been quietly signing up landowners for wind turbines leases in the next county and people are pissed and spouting off at county board meetings without being bothered with actual facts.

150 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:05:28pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

I was almost afraid to take a peek at that foremost hive of conservative scum and villainy, Free Republic, but the voyeur in me would not allow me to stay away. It’s about what you expect, but every once in a while some lone freeper will get up on his hind legs and howl defiance at the nutburger consensus. Today it was SES1066 (member since July 21, 2001), who had this to say to his Mandela-bashing cohorts:

Well at least there are a few normal people over there but evidently not enough.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:06:16pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

Chris Matthews : ( interview with Pres Obama coming up right now.

Nothing can make me watch it…

152 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:06:57pm

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

My guess is that he’s going to end up an ex-Freeper soon. They’re ban happy over there.

153 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:07:03pm
154 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:07:10pm
155 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:07:29pm

re: #130 Amory Blaine

Yes thought and ideas are dangerous. Thank you Peggy Noonan, you are so wise.

Fraud huh?

i am really shocked by the ease with which these commentato spuds spew forth their utterly fraudulent and poisonous assertions

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:07:54pm

Totally O/T, but this has got to be super embarrassing for everyone involved…

157 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:08:02pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Know what you mean. Duke Energy has been quietly signing up landowners for wind turbines leases in the next county and people are pissed and spouting off at county board meetings without being bothered with actual facts.

The thing that pissed me off with the deal in Fish County was that they made backroom deals with all the big farmers in the area, but all the smaller guys found out about it entirely by accident. As a result, the fishfolk - and several other less-privileged people in the county - were denied the opportunity to have a wind turbine on their property and earn the associated revenue. However, the county decided to enforce strict zoning regulations on the wind turbine company, and that deal appears DOA (to the detriment of most).

158 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:08:06pm

re: #143 Justanotherhuman

Chris Matthews : ( interview with Pres Obama coming up right now.

I’m gonna wait until he writes a book about it.

159 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:09:09pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

A giant matchbook could have prevented that.

160 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:09:23pm


I did not know that.

161 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:09:40pm

re: #152 Lidane

My guess is that he’s going to end up an ex-Freeper soon. They’re ban happy over there.

What happened to free speech? Funny how Rightwingers always advocate free speech for themselves but not for anyone else.

162 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:11:11pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Foundations are totally overrated.

///

163 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:11:12pm

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

164 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:11:17pm

Mandela’s historic release from prison in 1990 (video).

nbcnews.com

My gawd, he was my age—72. I can’t even imagine.

165 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:11:18pm

Oh brother.

166 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:11:40pm

re: #161 Patricia Kayden

What happened to free speech? Funny how Rightwingers always advocate free speech for themselves but not for anyone else.

Free speech at Free Republic? Heh. Not a chance.

The slightest indication that you might be a RINO squish or somewhere to the left of Attila the Hun gets you immediately banhammered.

167 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:22pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Planet Earth to Julian Assange and Company: Shut the ever-living hell up. It is not all about you.

168 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:30pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Oh brother.

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Give me a frakin’ break.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:35pm

re: #157 thedopefishlives

The thing that pissed me off with the deal in Fish County was that they made backroom deals with all the big farmers in the area, but all the smaller guys found out about it entirely by accident. As a result, the fishfolk - and several other less-privileged people in the county - were denied the opportunity to have a wind turbine on their property and earn the associated revenue. However, the county decided to enforce strict zoning regulations on the wind turbine company, and that deal appears DOA (to the detriment of most).

I think that might be a large part of the pissy mood in the next county.
I’m not an expert, so I don’t know the reasons why some landowners were approached and why others weren’t. But I do know that all the leases so far are landowners who own ridges, so I suspect there was some sort wind survey done and there was greater wind resources at the higher elevations than down on the flats.

170 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:39pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

In Windows, you can right click on a photo and go Properties —> Details —> Remove Properties and Personal Information (Windows 7).

Unsure how to do it on a phone directly.

171 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:43pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

Unclear. Is there identifying info attached to cell phone pics?

172 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:12:57pm

re: #161 Patricia Kayden

What happened to free speech? Funny how Rightwingers always advocate free speech for themselves but not for anyone else.

i only know one rather obscure right wing blog that will tolerate the least deviation

we had a thread here on lgf once discussing which rwnj blogs we had all been banned from and how fast

fragile minds

173 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:13:57pm
174 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:14:19pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s raining, the temperature is dropping.
This will not end well.
But hopefully much better than the Weather Channel is getting all excited about.

I’ve been watching the maps and it looks like central Ohio may get spared a bit as the band of icy rain seems to be thin heading our way. It looks to be about 90 miles out, so maybe another four hours or so and we get it. Still 38 degrees, so I am hoping the temps stay up a bit when it hits.

I hate ice!!! Give me snow.

175 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:14:38pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

Which is all well and good, but doing it in a backdoor fashion is asinine. It has public ramifications, even if a particular location that might desire one is not suitable for one. It should be done in a more open and public fashion so that concerns, if there are any valid ones, can be aired and everyone affected can be “in the know” up front.

176 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:15:10pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

I’ve been watching the maps and it looks like central Ohio may get spared a bit as the band of icy rain seems to be thin heading our way. It looks to be about 90 miles out, so maybe another four hours or so and we get it. Still 38 degrees, so I am hoping the temps stay up a bit when it hits.

I hate ice!!! Give me snow.

How did you want me to ship it?

177 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:15:32pm

re: #173 FemNaziBitch

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Neither did the Founding Fathers. Funny how that works.

178 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:15:38pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Unclear. Is there identifying info attached to cell phone pics?

A quick check of some older photos indicates that the metadata is related to things like date taken and phone type; there was no “author” information.

I do routinely strip all metadata out of the photos that I upload here, because it does have my full name (the ones I’ve taken on my dSLR, from processing I believe). Not that it would be a huge deal, it’s just habit from when I was younger than 18 and on the Interwebs.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:15:46pm

re: #170 klys

In Windows, you can right click on a photo and go Properties —> Details —> Remove Properties and Personal Information (Windows 7).

Unsure how to do it on a phone directly.

email it to your puter and then do that stuffs there?

180 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:16:06pm

By the way, I apologize to all the lizardfolk who are about to get creamed by the snowstorm that just departed last night from the wild north country. In our defense, we don’t get to pick and choose the weather that Canada sends our way.

181 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:16:41pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Totally O/T, but this has got to be super embarrassing for everyone involved…

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Nah, they are just building it flat on the ground, that way you don’t need a lot of cranes and scaffolding. Then you just put some ropes on it and winch it upright onto the base. Don’t you know nothing?

RBS

182 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:17:04pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

email it to your puter and then do that stuffs there?

I just upload to my Dropbox account and then poke at them once they sync to the computer. Generally have to shrink photos intended for here anyway.

Check of the current phone shows no personally identifying information in the metadata for those photos either.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:17:14pm

re: #181 RealityBasedSteve

Nah, they are just building it flat on the ground, that way you don’t need a lot of cranes and scaffolding. Then you just put some ropes on it and winch it upright onto the base. Don’t you know nothing?

RBS

ahhh! and no need for elevators, either!

184 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:17:56pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

If you don’t need it in digital form, you can email it to your computer;
screen print (cut & paste) it to a blank (e.g.) Word document and print the photo on a color printer.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:18:53pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

I hate ice!!! Give me snow.

Me too! Love snow because 4WD doesn’t work any better on ice than any other mode of transport.

186 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:18:58pm

Obamao killed Mandela to distract us from Paul Walker’s death!

(do I need a sarcasm tag?)

187 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:19:18pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Oh brother.

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Well, what is it? Free Brad or Free Chelsea?

I just can’t keep up with all of it, and gawd knows, I don’t want to offend.

Genderqueer: Neither Male Nor Female

news.yahoo.com

188 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:19:22pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Oh brother.

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Somebody needs to have some words defined for them.

189 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:20:20pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nothing can make me watch it…

It is not too bad. Matthews can be good when he buckles down and keeps the screwball out of his pitches. He does know his stuff political-wise. I think interviewing a president will keep him line.

190 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:20:43pm

Oh, good. Gabe said it for me.

191 Balfour Rage  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:20:43pm

Mandela hasn’t even found his grave yet, you ghouls.

BYOB party at my house,

Right now,

Theme: One less commie on the planet,
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Yes, from Dim’s site. *SPIT*

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:20:53pm

Weather Channel creaming their jeans because there’s sleet in Indiana now.

good freaking grief…

193 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:21:00pm

re: #176 b_sharp

How did you want me to ship it?

Amazon dronz!

194 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:22:12pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Neither did the Founding Fathers. Funny how that works.

I read a similar sentiments in an essay regarding Gandhi. Basically, freedom must prevail. Try all the non-violent methods first, try them again, find another way and at the very last resort use force.

195 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:22:20pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Weather Channel creaming their jeans because there’s sleet in Indiana now.

good freaking grief…

I loved the Weather Channel when I was younger.

Now I ignore it, because we don’t have any weather in CA worth paying attention to.

Sorry, darthstar, but lows in the 40s are not worth freaking out over.

Yellowstone has some beautiful snow right now though.

196 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:23:06pm

Also, too:

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:23:23pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

It is not too bad. Matthews can be good when he buckles down and keeps the screwball out of his pitches. He does know his stuff political-wise. I think interviewing a president will keep him line.

Moot point anyway. I watch Colbert & Stewart reruns from night before when Matthews is on.
Because I fall asleep earlier and earlier of an evening these days.

198 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:23:38pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Where have all the dudebros gone?

/Just kidding, I really don’t care

199 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:23:54pm

Pres Obama watches TV news coverage about the death of Nelson Mandela

200 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:24:20pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Seriously, telling the truth does not excuse violation of oaths.

201 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:24:53pm

The Ice storm came..Pretty bad moving Northeast. heading to Ohio.. ..My car is encased in ice and the roads are covered in ice.
Good luck
Ice Ice Baby..Ice Ice

202 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:25:26pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

I think you could download it to Photoshop, select the whole image, copy to the pasteboard open up a new file and paste it in. I’ve done that, but not for some time and with some of the newer cameras. So, I don’t exactly know what might ride along with selecting just the image pixel by copy and paste these days.

203 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:25:54pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

Do a google search for “Strip EXIF data {Insert name of phone here}” depending on the phone and the app it may have your location info (even without GPS on your phone has a pretty fair idea where it is), other user info. As they say, “There’s an app for that”. If you have it on your computer, right click it, go to “Properties” and select the “Details” tab. At the bottom there is a clicky link to remove all personal properties from photo. (That’s windows, on a MAC I don’t know, wave a weasel ball at it or something)

RBS

204 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:26:32pm

re: #180 thedopefishlives

By the way, I apologize to all the lizardfolk who are about to get creamed by the snowstorm that just departed last night from the wild north country. In our defense, we don’t get to pick and choose the weather that Canada sends our way.

We send you what you deserve.

205 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:26:34pm
206 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:26:39pm

re: #200 klys

Seriously, telling the truth does not excuse violation of oaths.

And going to jail for fighting to end a brutal regime is a bit different from going to jail because you’re a mixed up easily manipulated young person who stole stuff, to put it nicely.

207 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:28:01pm

Democrats seek ‘common ground’ on budget

in other words democrats offer ass up to be kicked yet again

republicans will take all concessions and insist on giving nothing in return

208 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:28:11pm

A long obituary in South Africa’s Mail & Guardian by a journalist who covered Mandela’s later career.

mg.co.za

209 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:28:38pm

re: #204 b_sharp

We send you what you deserve.

What did we we do to deserve NIckelback and Justin Bieber???

RBS

210 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:29:11pm

re: #209 RealityBasedSteve

What did we we do to deserve NIckelback and Justin Bieber???

RBS

I have a list.

211 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:29:17pm

Hell has officially frozen over; it’s currently 19 degrees in Lubbock with 15 forecast before morning.

212 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:30:11pm
213 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:30:32pm

Winter weather advisory to Lubbockites: If you have a brass monkey, you better get him inside NOW.

214 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:31:26pm

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

I read a similar sentiments in an essay regarding Gandhi. Basically, freedom must prevail. Try all the non-violent methods first, try them again, find another way and at the very last resort use force.

A lot of folks who idolize Gandhi don’t know that he advised the Jews of Europe to adopt non-violence in the face of the Holocaust, then responded when criticized that resistance of any sort to the Nazis demands would only make things worse for the Jews.

215 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:31:28pm
216 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:32:29pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Hell has officially frozen over; it’s currently 19 degrees in Lubbock with 15 forecast before morning.

Hurk hurk… sure could use some of that globull warming right now Hurk hurk

Which he hears regularly from somebody who has just about moved himself out of small circle of “friends in my real life” due to his unrepentant lack of critical thought.

RBS

217 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:33:03pm

re: #200 klys

Seriously, telling the truth does not excuse violation of oaths.

There’s a difference between ‘telling the truth’ and ‘spilling secrets’. Just because something’s true doesn’t mean that everyone knowing it is a good thing.

218 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:33:09pm
219 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:33:46pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Hell has officially frozen over; it’s currently 19 degrees in Lubbock with 15 forecast before morning.

There are times I would love to swap temps with Texas.

220 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:35:20pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

A lot of folks who idolize Gandhi don’t know that he advised the Jews of Europe to adopt non-violence in the face of the Holocaust, then responded when criticized that resistance of any sort to the Nazis demands would only make things worse for the Jews.

Yeah, it goes back to Leo Tolstoy and his crazy “Kingdom of Heaven” tome. IMHO, it’s crazy. I believe in self-preservation here on earth. A soul in heaven and after-life —not so much.

It’s just a matter of what one is willing to die for —and for each of us that answer is different. It must be an individual choice—or it is meaningless.

I think that is what bothers me the most about ideologues. Most seem to want disciples that will drink their kool-aid. I didn’t necessarily get that idea from what I’ve read of Gandhi or King or Mandela.

I could be wrong.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:35:37pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Hell has officially frozen over; it’s currently 19 degrees in Lubbock with 15 forecast before morning.

Still somewhere between 45 and 50F her in eastern Kentucky.
And absolutely pouring down rain…getting perilously close to two inches of rain so far today.

222 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:36:23pm

Okay, that little Kincannon fucker really pisses me off.

223 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:37:05pm
224 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:37:18pm

re: #222 darthstar

Okay, that little Kincannon fucker really pisses me off.

Oh, what’s he on about this time?

225 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:37:25pm

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

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LLAP!

I love it.

226 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:38:53pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

A lot of folks who idolize Gandhi don’t know that he advised the Jews of Europe to adopt non-violence in the face of the Holocaust, then responded when criticized that resistance of any sort to the Nazis demands would only make things worse for the Jews.

back to the “peace” concept.

I can’t remember the source :


“Peace is not the absence of conflict,
Peace is Justice”

I know of the popes incorporated this into the 4 Pillars of Peace.

227 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:39:13pm

re: #223 darthstar

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For the second time in one day, I say: Dafuq?

I don’t get what problem the Right has with Mandela, unless they really truly are embracing White Supremacy.

228 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:40:20pm
229 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:41:14pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

A lot of folks who idolize Gandhi don’t know that he advised the Jews of Europe to adopt non-violence in the face of the Holocaust, then responded when criticized that resistance of any sort to the Nazis demands would only make things worse for the Jews.

Idolize might be extreme word for any human. I admire, but know there are flaws, mistakes and misjudgements in all men.

Do you really mean that people idolize Gandhi, or is it your coloring how you see them?

230 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:44:25pm

re: #227 GeneJockey

For the second time in one day, I say: Dafuq?

I don’t get what problem the Right has with Mandela, unless they really truly are embracing White Supremacy.

Remember the Gendarme from Les Mis?

Same mentality. One mistake, you are not perfect and therefore are damned on heaven and on earth. Which is, of course, insane. As humans are not perfect.

231 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:45:12pm
232 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:46:24pm

re: #223 darthstar

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Stupid to say bad things about Gandhi while using the title ‘Mahatma’, which means ‘enlightened’.

233 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:49:39pm

re: #231 darthstar

Nice, I wish I could see that. Have to wait til I get home.

234 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:49:42pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Stupid to say bad things about Gandhi while using the title ‘Mahatma’, which means ‘enlightened’.

I know you didn’t expect a nimrod like that to have any knowledge of title.

235 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:49:54pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

Idolize might be extreme word for any human. I admire, but know there are flaws, mistakes and misjudgements in all men.

Do you really mean that people idolize Gandhi, or is it your coloring how you see them?

I’d say it’s more a matter that while some will look at a good man and still acknowledge his flaws, other can only see the good and ignore the flaws. “Idolize” is an extreme word to use to describe such, I admit.

236 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:51:11pm

Lots of tributes coming in, including from two great actors who portrayed Nelson Mandela in feature films, and from ordinary people, too.

“Idris Elba who currently stars in the biopic “Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom” released a statement saying, “What an honor it was to step into the shoes of Nelson Mandela and portray a man who defied odds, broke down barriers, and championed human rights before the eyes of the world. My thoughts and prayers are with his family.”

“American actor Morgan Freeman, who portrayed Mandela in the film “Invictus”, also wrote in Time Magazine it was an “everlasting honor” when Mandela named him as the person he would like to portray him in a film.”

google.com

237 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:51:58pm

re: #234 ObserverArt

I know you didn’t expect a nimrod like that to have any knowledge of title.

His ‘gulag account’ shows him to be even stupider and more vile than I thought. Here’s my new policy:

238 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:51:59pm

The Matthews interview was pretty freaking good! Obama knows his politics. Too bad people don’t give him the credit due. And he is cool and reasoned.

239 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:52:48pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

The Matthews interview was pretty freaking good! Obama knows his politics. Too bad people don’t give him the credit due. And he is cool and reasoned.

He’s very sharp. I think graduating from the Chicago Political Machine probably helped him in that way. You have to have a lot of savvy to make it in that incredibly corrupted environment.

240 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:53:09pm

Wow, sad news to come back to for those of us left behind. I refuse to acknowledge the haters by going to read any of their comments on Mr. Mandela’s passing, may he RIP.

For anyone who’s interested, here’s a transcript of President Obama’s Comments About Death of Mandela.

241 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:53:33pm

re: #227 GeneJockey

For the second time in one day, I say: Dafuq?

I don’t get what problem the Right has with Mandela, unless they really truly are embracing White Supremacy.

I have no doubt they are.

242 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:55:09pm
243 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:55:23pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

I have no doubt they are.

But damnit, they are NOT racists!

/ they’ll tell you.

244 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:56:40pm

Cop yells at immigrant children singing outside Boehners Office. Threatens arrest. Asks them if they “comprende’”.

Youtube Video

245 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 4:57:19pm

re: #231 darthstar

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I hear he made some platitudes about curbing NSA spying. MSNBC doesn’t usually cover foreign policy topics but did Tingles ask about Iran or anything?

246 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:00:11pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I hear he made some platitudes about curbing NSA spying. MSNBC doesn’t usually cover foreign policy topics but did Tingles ask about Iran or anything?

Pres Obama doesn’t engage in “platitudes”.

He’s smarter than that. If you don’t hear him say something directly, don’t repeat the biases of others.

247 Origuy  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:00:30pm

re: #163 Amory Blaine

Is there a way to strip identity out of a photo taken with a cell phone (metadata or something)?

It looks like an app called Pixelguard will do that. I haven’t tried it, but the site says it’s available on WIndows, Mac, IOS, and Android.

248 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:02:00pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

I’d say it’s more a matter that while some will look at a good man and still acknowledge his flaws, other can only see the good and ignore the flaws. “Idolize” is an extreme word to use to describe such, I admit.

Idolize and demonize are the same in that they are a lazy way to view any individual. With rare exceptions few individuals are totally pure or totally flawed. Even the Saint can have feet of clay regrading some things. Mandela was a great man and did many great things. He wasn’t perfect, and were there excesses committed in his name. I doubt that any other person would have been able to lead and guide the transition that he started SA down. He will be missed, and should become a role guide for others.

RBS

249 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:02:12pm

Thanks for all the info on photos guys!! I take photos with my phone and would like to upload but am wary of personal info. I will load them to windows and then do the properties thing and clear data.

250 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:04:43pm
251 A Mom Anon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:06:14pm

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Thank you. And really, I get SO tired of hearing how “liberal” MSNBC is. Yeah, like Joe Scarborough, that hippie commie, who has three hours every stinking morning to spout liberal drivel.

Compared to the countless hours of conservative TV, local TV news with conservative leanings, and tons of talk radio, you’d think that the whole idea of “liberal media” would have died a hideous death by now, but noooo, every blessed day someone has to spout that crap and sadder still, lots of fools believe it.

252 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:06:44pm
253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:08:17pm

wow…

254 Belafon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:09:29pm

There was a report on Mandela on the news when I got home. I though this was an interesting piece of information

In the sixties, when Mandela was a young member of the African National Congress, the government killed 65 black South Africans. In response, the group, which had been passive, formed a miltant wing. Mandela was put in charge of that group.

255 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:09:37pm

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

Pres Obama doesn’t engage in “platitudes”.

He’s smarter than that. If you don’t hear him say something directly, don’t repeat the biases of others.

Sure he does, it’s what politicians do. He wasn’t surprised by anything in the Snowden leaks but it makes a PR mess for him to clean up. If the rubes buy into then he’s done a good job.

256 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:11:49pm

re: #248 RealityBasedSteve

Idolize and demonize are the same in that they are a lazy way to view any individual. With rare exceptions few individuals are totally pure or totally flawed. Even the Saint can have feet of clay regrading some things. Mandela was a great man and did many great things. He wasn’t perfect, and were there excesses committed in his name. I doubt that any other person would have been able to lead and guide the transition that he started SA down. He will be missed, and should become a role guide for others.

RBS

I can’t imagine a post-apartheid South Africa without Nelson Mandela in the picture. It’s possible that the regime would have eventually fallen, but what followed wouldn’t be South Africa anymore. The man made possible a negotiated, peaceful transition that would have seen violent revolution or continued oppression in any other world. All his flaws do not detract from that.

257 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:14:29pm
258 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:14:59pm
260 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:16:29pm
261 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:17:02pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

Well, he’s right. He never mentioned Snowden. He just heavily implied with a “*wink wink nudge nudge*”. And then, of course, he is perfectly able to point to his literal words and say, “See?”

Self-righteous scum.

262 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:17:05pm

re: #251 A Mom Anon

Thank you. And really, I get SO tired of hearing how “liberal” MSNBC is. Yeah, like Joe Scarborough, that hippie commie, who has three hours every stinking morning to spout liberal drivel.

Compared to the countless hours of conservative TV, local TV news with conservative leanings, and tons of talk radio, you’d think that the whole idea of “liberal media” would have died a hideous death by now, but noooo, every blessed day someone has to spout that crap and sadder still, lots of fools believe it.

anyway even though hypothetically leftmost cable station msnbc fully supported obamacare, still 13% of americans continue to register that they object to it “because it does not go far enough”

people can opine on teh mediaz all they like but there are still people who refuse to believe it all tastes like ice cream

263 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:17:20pm

I stooped and just retweeted a very good response to someone comparing wikileaks to Mandiba.

Couldn’t help it.

264 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:17:37pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

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It really must a lonely world that Glenn Greenwald lives in, where everything that happens in the world revolves around him. Nothing happens that doesn’t in some way validate his existence. A major figure of history dies and he can’t let the moment happen without saying he’s exactly the same sort of man.

Fucking pathetic.

265 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:17:43pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

THIS x 1000

266 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:19:09pm

re: #251 A Mom Anon

Thank you. And really, I get SO tired of hearing how “liberal” MSNBC is. Yeah, like Joe Scarborough, that hippie commie, who has three hours every stinking morning to spout liberal drivel.

Compared to the countless hours of conservative TV, local TV news with conservative leanings, and tons of talk radio, you’d think that the whole idea of “liberal media” would have died a hideous death by now, but noooo, every blessed day someone has to spout that crap and sadder still, lots of fools believe it.

They are “liberal” because of Maddow?

I think that is the core of it.

267 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:20:23pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

I can’t imagine a post-apartheid South Africa without Nelson Mandela in the picture. It’s possible that the regime would have eventually fallen, but what followed wouldn’t be South Africa anymore. The man made possible a negotiated, peaceful transition that would have seen violent revolution or continued oppression in any other world. All his flaws do not detract from that.

Thank you for the summary. I was going to ask here for a little background on him as I’m honestly ignorant of just WHAT Mandela did that was so laudable… I only say that out of real ignorance, not a denial that he was a respectable person. I have a general idea of what he did but not any specifics about why people admire him so much.

I did see Desmond Tutu’s interview with Craig Ferguson where he talked about the Truth & Reconciliation meetings, and it was simply extraordinary.

268 Belafon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:20:30pm

re: #261 thedopefishlives

That’s how all his writing works. People just keep falling for it.

269 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:24:44pm

Not surprisingly, Bill O’Reilly on FoxNews covers Nelson Mandela’s passing by completely ignoring it - instead opting to interview Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum.

Correction. He just mentioned him, by calling him a communist.

270 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:24:57pm

One of the most profound outcomes to the end of apartheid and democratic SA was the truth & reconciliation commissions. Part of that was a complete (and I mean complete) release of all government documents to the people. The website is NAAIRS - My mom being from Durban, we have done a lot of searching. I’m linking their mission page. Worth a read.

national.archives.gov.za

271 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:25:22pm

re: #267 Pawn of the Oppressor

Thank you for the summary. I was going to ask here for a little background on him as I’m honestly ignorant of just WHAT Mandela did that was so laudable… I only say that out of real ignorance, not a denial that he was a respectable person. I have a general idea of what he did but not any specifics about why people admire him so much.

I did see Desmond Tutu’s interview with Craig Ferguson where he talked about the Truth & Reconciliation meetings, and it was simply extraordinary.

Always happy to be of help. And it’s funny that you mention Tutu, because he figures into the history of Mandela. It was his speeches, both here and abroad, that helped the anti-apartheid movement at its most critical stage in the 80s. Reagan was rather pissed when the Bishop pointed out that the “constructive engagement” policy of the 80s was a farce and America’s continued support of the Afrikaner regime only emboldened further oppression.

272 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:33:37pm

Mandela’s enduring legacy will be as the anti-Mugabe. He could have thrown South Africa into the chaos that descended upon Rhodesia, but he did not. Who would have blamed him if he had lashed out at the white minority who had treated the black majority the way they had? But he chose a very different path.

Such grace. Such courage. Such strength.

Would that there were more of him in this world.

273 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:33:37pm

re: #269 RadicalModerate

Bill O’Reilly is a horrible panderer to the worst impulses of his audience.

274 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:36:56pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

One of the most profound outcomes to the end of apartheid and democratic SA was the truth & reconciliation commissions. Part of that was a complete (and I mean complete) release of all government documents to the people. The website is NAAIRS - My mom being from Durban, we have done a lot of searching. I’m linking their mission page. Worth a read.

national.archives.gov.za

Please page something on that so it’s easy to find for future reference.

275 Shvaughn  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:42:52pm

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

Well, what is it? Free Brad or Free Chelsea?

I just can’t keep up with all of it, and gawd knows, I don’t want to offend.

It’s free Chelsea.

276 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:47:07pm

re: #254 Belafon

There was a report on Mandela on the news when I got home. I though this was an interesting piece of information

In the sixties, when Mandela was a young member of the African National Congress, the government killed 65 black South Africans. In response, the group, which had been passive, formed a miltant wing. Mandela was put in charge of that group.

Downdings are undeserved here. Mandela was a militant.

277 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:00:50pm
278 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:16:18pm

re: #276 wrenchwench

Downdings are undeserved here. Mandela was a militant.

Much deserved.

279 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:28:15pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Much deserved.

Why?

280 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:49:55pm

re: #276 wrenchwench

Downdings are undeserved here. Mandela was a militant.

So was George Washington. In the case of both, their greatest act was walking away from power.

281 Pip's Squeak  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:53:25pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Stupid to say bad things about Gandhi while using the title ‘Mahatma’, which means ‘enlightened’.

Pardon, it doesn’t. Resolving the compound, it means ‘he who has a great self/’essence’.

282 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:56:32pm

re: #281 Pip’s Squeak

Pardon, it doesn’t. Resolving the compound, it means ‘he who has a great self/’essence’.

Thanks.

283 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:57:46pm

re: #267 Pawn of the Oppressor

Thank you for the summary. I was going to ask here for a little background on him as I’m honestly ignorant of just WHAT Mandela did that was so laudable… I only say that out of real ignorance, not a denial that he was a respectable person. I have a general idea of what he did but not any specifics about why people admire him so much.

I did see Desmond Tutu’s interview with Craig Ferguson where he talked about the Truth & Reconciliation meetings, and it was simply extraordinary.

Mandela is new South Africa’s George Washington. He was imprisoned for life for resisting white minority rule and the apartheid system. On his surprise release from prison in 1990, rather than fall into the temptation of being vindictive or vengeful, he was the consummate gentleman statesman. Most South Africans knew at that time that white minority rule and apartheid had to end. The question was how: peacefully or violently. Mandela’s leadership made it a peaceful, orderly transition. Everything was done democratically, in a civilized manner. He was overwhelmingly elected to the first president, and like Washington, chose not to make that adulation into an excuse to stay in power forever. Quite in contrast to what happened in Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe.

Here’s what he said at the end of the trial that sent him to prison:

“I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal, which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”

Source: mg.co.za

I referred to him as Madiba earlier, as do a lot of South Africans. That’s his “praise name.” In the Xhosa tradition, everyone has a praise name that’s used among his or her loved ones. It represents one’s respect and care for that person. So, you can imagine how South Africans feel now. It’s like losing a member of your family.

284 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:00:34pm
285 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:55:41pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

I hear he made some platitudes about curbing NSA spying. MSNBC doesn’t usually cover foreign policy topics but did Tingles ask about Iran or anything?

MSNBC covers foreign policy all the time.

This is the ‘world’ tab on MSNBC.

MSNBC Video

Their news shows have foreign stuff all the time too.

Is it just ‘Killgore make shit up again for no apparent reason’ time again?

286 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:42:18pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, commenters at Breitbart “News” are already spewing hatred.

re: #240 CuriousLurker

Wow, sad news to come back to for those of us left behind. I refuse to acknowledge the haters by going to read any of their comments on Mr. Mandela’s passing, may he RIP.

For anyone who’s interested, here’s a transcript of President Obama’s Comments About Death of Mandela.

Thanks, CuriousLurker!


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