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1 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:31:42pm

New fonts.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:33:28pm
3 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:36:56pm
It had nothing to do with me

The most difficult thing that Glenn has had to write.

4 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:37:25pm

re: #1 b_sharp

New fonts.

Yes, for the Pages headlines - switched from Cabin Condensed to Cabin. Same font, just the regular book style instead of the condensed version I use for the main LGF headlines.

I think it’s more readable - the condensed font looks better at larger sizes.

5 Kragar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:37:30pm

Still waiting on Glenn to release evidence of actual wrongdoing.

6 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:37:48pm

The Lemon Meringue Pie

This was not an easy pie.

7 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:38:59pm

Dear Glenn,

That is not a computer screen with a picture of a vindictive weasel on it. IT’S A MIRROR!

8 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:39:22pm

re: #5 Kragar

Still waiting on Glenn to release evidence of actual wrongdoing.

I’d say something about hell and extremely cold temperatures, but looking at the thermometer outside, we’re not that far off.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:39:24pm

re: #6 Lord of the Pies

Whoa! Perfectly caramelized tufts of meringue!

10 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:41:16pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yes, for the Pages headlines - switched from Cabin Condensed to Cabin. Same font, just the regular book style instead of the condensed version I use for the main LGF headlines.

I think it’s more readable - the condensed font looks better at larger sizes.

it also stays fresh much longer on the shelf

11 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:41:57pm

re: #6 Lord of the Pies

The Lemon Meringue Pie

This was not an easy pie.

*bows*

12 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:42:46pm
13 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:43:05pm

re: #6 Lord of the Pies

The Lemon Meringue Pie

This was not an easy pie.

Reminds me off my mother’s pies. Looks tasty.

14 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:43:11pm

re: #12 jaunte

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I was just going to post that!!!

15 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:43:21pm

re: #6 Lord of the Pies

The Lemon Meringue Pie

This was not an easy pie.

I could finish that off in about 10 minutes.

16 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:45:14pm

I was going to mention, I sort of figured Charles would post that line about “sensationalized” in a heading if he did a main article of the interview. And the President said it with no anger or gloss, just factual.

17 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:46:20pm

sorry, sorry, sorry

18 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:46:58pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

much needed clueless lunkhead puppy and kitteh break.

*clears throat* Wrong link.

19 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:47:39pm
20 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:47:51pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

21 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:48:17pm

re: #6 Lord of the Pies

The Lemon Meringue Pie

This was not an easy pie.

an easy pie gathers no moss

22 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:48:29pm

re: #20 Lidane

I didn’t say anything about Snowden, you liar. Now retweet me, for I am The Greenwald.

23 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:54:01pm

Cue the rage from the usual suspects:

24 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:55:24pm

Freepers are literal garbage

25 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:55:45pm

re: #23 Lidane

Cue the rage from the usual suspects:

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How dare he leave the White House?!

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:55:52pm

Kind of amazing that Greenwald’s going to deny he was referring to himself and/or Edward Snowden when he wrote:

Nelson Mandela: a noble reminder that those declared “criminals” by an unjust society are often the most just.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:55:55pm

re: #23 Lidane

Cue the rage from the usual suspects:

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What do they expect? The First Black President of a Once Horribly Racist Country (FBPOHRC) Club is pretty damn small.

28 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:56:52pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

an easy pie gathers no moss

did i mention that the early worm gets eaten by the bird?

29 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:57:09pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Looks like he didn’t have enough room to add the “nudge-nudge, wink-wink” to that tweet.

30 rosiee  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:57:11pm

I’m suprised he said that the NSA was “more aggressive” overseas.
Seems like he’s given up on fixing America’s imagine in those foreign papers.
Not that there is a lot he could hide, perhaps he’s going with the honesty is the best policy motive.

31 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:57:57pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Whoa! Perfectly caramelized tufts of meringue!

I’ll just…skim it off the top for you….no need to thank me…

32 EPR-radar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:58:29pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Kind of amazing that Greenwald’s going to deny he was referring to himself and/or Edward Snowden when he wrote:

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Of course GG will deny this. His denial is literally true and utterly misleading at the same time. He probably got extra credit for that sort of thing a time or two in law school.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:58:29pm

What in the world would ever make someone think Glenn Greenwald was talking about himself in that tweet?

Only a drooling imbecilic puppet of the surveillance state would say that.

34 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:00:24pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Kind of amazing that Greenwald’s going to deny he was referring to himself and/or Edward Snowden when he wrote:

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It’s like a painting, instrumental or film with no dialogue. What does it mean to you?

/// but he isn’t that crafty…he just thinks he is.

35 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:02:08pm
36 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:03:07pm

What a flipping narcissist. His comparison belies his insecurity.

37 Internet Tough Guy  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:03:09pm

Has someone reminded Glenn that Mandela didn’t go to jail for giving secrets to the Russians? Or tax evasion?

38 Kragar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:03:24pm
39 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:04:32pm

re: #38 Kragar

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If you feed it, it will grow.

and come back for more.

40 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:05:29pm

re: #38 Kragar

You’re about three tweets away from a block.

41 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:05:32pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

42 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:06:09pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

Texas Police Can’t Tell Marijuana From Tomato Plants

Unbelievable. Would have been funny to seem them light up some fine Big Boys!

43 Kragar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:06:43pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

You’re about three tweets away from a block.

He blocked me a while back I think.

44 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:06:48pm

teehee

45 Lidane  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:07:23pm
46 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:07:33pm

re: #43 Kragar

Congrats!

47 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:07:42pm

re: #43 Kragar

Getting your Greenwald card punched!

48 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:07:50pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Unbelievable. Would have been funny to seem them light up some fine Big Boys!

Well, not especially. Eating a leaf can cause a heart attack within minutes; I can’t imagine smoking it would be any less terminal.

49 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:09:26pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, not especially. Eating a leaf can cause a heart attack within minutes; I can’t imagine smoking it would be any less terminal.

Are they not of the nightshade family? And, that is sort of what I meant. Sometimes being that stupid has consequences.

50 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:09:43pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Yikes that’s a handy tip!

51 thedopefishlives  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:10:33pm

re: #43 Kragar

He blocked me a while back I think.

I’ve said to Charles before, sometimes it’s good to be known by the enemies you’ve made. If the people that don’t like you are haters and bigots, that speaks volumes.

52 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:10:50pm

re: #48 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, not especially. Eating a leaf can cause a heart attack within minutes; I can’t imagine smoking it would be any less terminal.

Are you sure about that?

Tomato Leaves: The Toxic Myth

These days, we know that while tomatoes belong to the (very large and diverse) nightshade family, they definitely aren’t of the deadly nightshade variety.

53 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:11:48pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

Texas Police Can’t Tell Marijuana From Tomato Plants

i will be conducting classes in identifying holes in the ground monday and thursday at 8:30pm on the soccer field

54 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:12:14pm

What’s up with the tweetcounter?

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:12:47pm

re: #52 Interesting Times

Are you sure about that?

Tomato Leaves: The Toxic Myth

I had read that they would make a toxic salad, if served as such. I may well be wrong but I’m not going to test it either way ;) (thanks for the link, btw.)

56 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:14:26pm
57 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:16:12pm

SNOWDEN IS THE WHITE MANDELLA!!

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:16:15pm
59 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:16:16pm

I know this is from the last thread, but in my defense I was busy doing what I get paid for….

Greenwald tweeted:


Nelson Mandela: a noble reminder that those declared “criminals” by an unjust society are often the most just.

Those declared criminals are MOST often actual criminals. SOMETIMES, they’re not. Even unjust societies have more murderers and thieves than they do unjustly persecuted heroes, and if he’s calling us an unjust society - as compared to Snowden’s new home - he can go fuck himself.

Greenwald’s little platitude is like the people who say that AGW deniers should be respected because “They laughed at Galileo, too!” Maybe so, but by and large the people whom Science laughed at historically were wildly wrong, so being laughed at doesn’t mean you AREN’T full of shit, and indeed suggests that you probably are.

There. I’m done.

60 Interesting Times  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:16:42pm

re: #55 William Barnett-Lewis

I had read that they would make a toxic salad, if served as such. I may well be wrong but I’m not going to test it either way ;) (thanks for the link, btw.)

Here’s another - someone who actually did eat the stuff!

Accused, Yes, but Probably Not a Killer

Many handbooks of poisonous plants cite the tomato plant for killing livestock and sickening people. According to the California Poison Control System’s “Poisoning and Drug Overdose,” edited by Kent R. Olson (McGraw-Hill, 2006), the tomato toxin is solanine, one of two alkaloids that make greened potatoes toxic. High doses of solanine kill animals and cause nausea, hallucinations and death in humans.

Sounds pretty damning. But there’s scant evidence for tomato toxicity in the medical and veterinary literature. I found just one medical case, an undocumented reference to children having been made sick by tomato-leaf tea, in a 1974 book on poisonous plants. In contrast to the few anecdotal accounts of livestock poisoning, a controlled study in Israel in 1996 showed no ill effects when cattle ate tomato vines for 42 days.

And it’s a chemical gaffe to attribute tomato toxicity to solanine. Dr. Mendel Friedman of the federal Department of Agriculture, who has studied potato and tomato alkaloids for two decades, wrote in an e-mail message that commercial tomatoes contain tomatine. Solanine, he added, is a potato alkaloid.

61 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:17:26pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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Stop calling me Shirley!

62 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:18:15pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

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bwaahaa! Like clockwork.

63 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:19:16pm

bbl

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:19:18pm
65 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:19:36pm

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:19:52pm

So anyway, went to check the mail right at twilight and managed a nice image of the house in the aftermath of our couple of days of the seasons first serious snow.

Image: _C051941.JPG

Not big on winter or the holiday season, but there are moments. This was one of them.

67 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:20:57pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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You may send my royalty checks to my agent…
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68 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:21:13pm

re: #24 SpaceJesus

Freepers are literal garbage

You misused the word “literal.”

“Literal” garbage is something you throw in the dumpster, that the garbage trucks collect and put in the compacter and take out to the landfill.

I don’t think there are landfills full of freepers.

FR is a figurative toxic waste dump.

69 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:21:47pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yes, for the Pages headlines - switched from Cabin Condensed to Cabin. Same font, just the regular book style instead of the condensed version I use for the main LGF headlines.

I think it’s more readable - the condensed font looks better at larger sizes.

I’m casting my vote for Papyrus.

RBS
Who is fontically challenged.

70 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:22:05pm

Nelson Mandela: a noble reminder that those declared “criminals” by an unjust society are often the most just

canonization by analogy is not recognized by the church

71 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:22:36pm
72 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:23:02pm

re: #68 Lord of the Pies

I don’t think there are landfills full of freepers

heh

i’ll take another look just to be sure

73 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:24:20pm

Glenn Greenwald at Mandela’s funeral:

Runs on stage, shoves mourner away from podium:

Yo, mourners, I’m really sad for you, I’ma let you finish, but Snowden is one of the best revolutionaries of all time! One of the best revolutionaries of all time!

74 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:26:59pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

So anyway, went to check the mail right at twilight and managed a nice image of the house in the aftermath of our couple of days of the seasons first serious snow.

Image: _C051941.JPG

Not big on winter or the holiday season, but there are moments. This was one of them.

Nice! Used to live in Marquette, Michigan when I was in the Air Force. Winter was pretty, but it got old fast.

Now I’m in Tejas, where we are preparing for ICE STORM 2013!!(eleventy)!!, which may or may not happen. In any case, I’m tucking around the outside of a nice bowl of Texas Red and NOT watching The Sound of Music.

And The GG has no ‘rhoids. He’s a perfect asshole.

75 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:27:47pm

re: #43 Kragar

He blocked me a while back I think.

Glenn blocked me when I tweeted that he was dressing up as a journalist for Halloween.

76 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:29:29pm

This bit about tomato plants brings back a close-call memory. At the art college I went to during my freshman year I had a new roommate move in after semester break. He was older, I was 18, he probably 25 and considered a freshman by the school. Anyway, we all partied, but this guy was just a little bit more than a showboat and quite full of himself.

One weekend, unbeknownst to me, he had apparently sold a small quantity of the weed to an undercover guy at a damn fast food restaurant down near the Ohio States campus. I never dealt anything, but damn, I think I would have known that you don’t just sell something illegal to someone coming up to you because you look freaky standing in a fast food line. An original Duh!

Anyway, two weeks later, apparently after getting an arrest warrant, the cops come to our damn “dorm” (old apartment buildings) and arrested the idiot. I was freaking terrified and explained this guy just moved in a few weeks ago and is just a roommate assigned by the school. They of course had to snoop everywhere and ask me all kinds of shit, but I knew I was good.

As they were leaving, they happened to see this little tiny glass picture frame hanging on the wall by the bathroom door. In it was a little tiny “joint” and a card that read in presstype rub off Break In Case Of Emergency that idiot boy had made.

“We’ll just take this” they said and asked me did I know that was there. I said yeah, but I think its a joke, not real. The one cop looked at it, said it looked like a dry leafy substance to him and they would have to check it out. They may need to talk to me later. Huff ‘n’ Puff! We gots our eye on you boy.

It was oregano! I hope they made a nice pasta sauce with some of it. or knowing the Columbus cops, they probably smoked it on the way back to the sub station and got sick doing it.

Ahh…youth. And damn luck sometimes. I have some stories about those crazy art school days.

77 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:29:46pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

So anyway, went to check the mail right at twilight and managed a nice image of the house in the aftermath of our couple of days of the seasons first serious snow.

Image: _C051941.JPG

Not big on winter or the holiday season, but there are moments. This was one of them.

very very nice….. I looked at some of your other stuff, you’ve got a good eye for composition.

RBS

RBS

78 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:31:56pm

HURR HURR

79 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:32:41pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

What kind ofkickback bonus does Charles get if we all pitch in and buy one?

RBS

80 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:35:44pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

So anyway, went to check the mail right at twilight and managed a nice image of the house in the aftermath of our couple of days of the seasons first serious snow.

Image: _C051941.JPG

Not big on winter or the holiday season, but there are moments. This was one of them.

Nice. It has a Christmas card classic feel to it. It would make a hell of a card for you.

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:35:52pm

re: #77 RealityBasedSteve

very very nice….. I looked at some of your other stuff, you’ve got a good eye for composition.

RBS

RBS

Thank you :)

82 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:36:30pm
83 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:37:04pm

re: #78 Lord of the Pies

People thought he was really smart in high school.

84 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:37:25pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

Yeah, I looked at that on my work computer. My banner ads were screwed up for a few days…made me sit up straight and block my screen.

85 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:37:40pm

WTFITS
Donald was BFF’s with Mandela? Now I haz lost some respect for Mandela. :(

86 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:38:02pm

re: #78 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Walking it back, isn’t he?

Dear The GG;

Please give us some examples of this “point I’ve made for years.” I’m sure you have saved every tweet, e-mail, and article you have ever written, so it shouldn’t be hard for you to datamine (hah!) your oeuvre to back up your statement.

87 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:38:17pm

re: #82 Lord of the Pies

pro bono - you know what Greenwald doesn’t do pro bono? Give interviews to networks.

88 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:38:40pm

re: #79 RealityBasedSteve

What kind ofkickback bonus does Charles get if we all pitch in and buy one?

RBS

IDK. But the ads will sure be interesting. Thinking toe fungus creams.

89 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:38:55pm
90 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:39:06pm

re: #84 darthstar

Yeah, I looked at that on my work computer. My banner ads were screwed up for a few days…made me sit up straight and block my screen.

You can go to your Amazon account and delete “recently viewed items” you don’t want to be linked with.

91 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:40:25pm

re: #85 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Donald was BFF’s with Mandela? Now I haz lost some respect for Mandela. :(

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Looks like their ‘relationship’ consisted of Trump stopping by Mandela’s table at a restaurant.

92 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:41:53pm

re: #90 Lord of the Pies

You can go to your Amazon account and delete “recently viewed items” you don’t want to be linked with.

Thanks.

93 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:42:21pm

The new fonts look spanking on my laptop. Nice thin rails and stiles.

94 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:42:38pm

re: #89 darthstar

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The GGs head just exploded.

Great catch, Darthstar. That’s a classic gut-punch.

95 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:45:05pm

History is a strange beast. I’d bet the price of a 5 star dinner that if a truly excellent ethical respected journalist had outed PRISM, the effort to curb or remove the Patriot Act and programs like PRISM at NSA would have had far more success.

Let’s go by analogy. Greenwald/Snowden have managed to so poison the atmosphere of debate tat they hurt their own said cause. Which is truly a shame. And odd, maybe.

When I think of animals and animal cruelty at labs, or fur coats, I feel the same anger and sadness at that situation despite the actions of PETA, whom I truly detest. I have exactly the same amount of concern for global climate change despite eco terrorism like Hummer dealer vandalism and housing development arson.

Why in this arena (NSA powers) do the over the top advocates do so much damage to the dialog as compared to these other subjects?

96 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:45:36pm

Yes! Neighbors (Jon Belushi) is on regular tv. I loved that little turd of a movie.

97 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:46:55pm
98 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:48:18pm

IT’S A SHAME MANDELA DIDN’T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH SNOWDEN OR GREENWALD

99 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:49:53pm

re: #89 darthstar

GG will be sure to INSTABLOCK! that one…

100 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:53:13pm

Damn, I focused on the wrong dudebro and was on the wrong tangent all the time

101 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:54:22pm

re: #100 b.d.

Damn, I focused on the wrong dudebro and was on the wrong tangent all the time

Yeah, Assange and his band of cronies over at WikiLeaks can go eat a metric shit-ton of dicks.

102 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:57:51pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Yes! Neighbors (Jon Belushi) is on regular tv. I loved that little turd of a movie.

So much talent and experience (John Avildsen & Bill Conti [both of Rocky fame], Larry Gelbart [creator of the TV version of M*A*S*H], Belushi & Aykroyd) and it just kind of plopped like a wet fart in the wind.

103 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:58:41pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

Do they carry 90 weight in GL-4?

104 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:00:23pm

It’s nice to know when they go to Heaven that The GG and Snowden will be able to share the same hero’s embrace that Mandela and Biko are sharing now…

105 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:01:16pm
106 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:05:22pm

Hmm. 9:00. Time to roll up the sidewalk at LGF. :p

107 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:06:57pm

I’m outta here. Going to be an early morning, commute MAY be horrible or it may be not bad at all, going to be a matter of just a few degrees. Here’s a pic I took on a solo bicycle tour around central KY a couple of years ago.
Abandoned Cottage Style Motel

RBS
Who wonders what happens if you put 55 gal. drum of lube, a wood chipper and 500 rosaries all in your amazon wish list???

108 fern01  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:10:45pm

re: #97 darthstar

Greenwald has to be the ONLY person on twitter who has said something controversial after the death of Nelson Mandela. The man who led his country to universal freedom without the violence of a civil war is equated by Greenwald to a man who fled his country to avoid arrest for stealing from his employer.

There are no words - Mandela would shrug.

109 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:11:55pm
110 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:12:18pm

If the NSA could build a Deathstar, would it be the right thing to do?

111 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:13:36pm

re: #110 jaunte

If the NSA could build a Deathstar, would it be the right thing to do?

I’d settle for a Star Destroyer.

112 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:14:42pm

re: #110 jaunte

If the NSA could build a Deathstar, would it be the right thing to do?

If we don’t, They will.

113 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:20:00pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

Well that writer sure managed to make the issue even less comprehensible. Bravo. The self licking ice cream cone of writing.

114 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:25:11pm

I think it can be said with certainty that Nelson Mandela was one of the finest men who ever lived.

115 darthstar  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:25:44pm
116 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:29:04pm
117 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:31:24pm

The ice storms in the midwest are giving me flashbacks to 1998.

I didn’t live in the region during this storm, but I had friends and family who did (all survived thank goodness). Some people went nearly three weeks without electricity and this was in the middle of January in Canada, aka COLD!

118 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:31:35pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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They did already, it’s called American Idol.

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119 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:40:55pm

I know ice storms are dangerous but there’s nothing quite like the sight of every single branch on every tree covered with clear glistening ice.

120 b.d.  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:41:05pm

If the NSA could do global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation and analysis of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, including surveillance of targeted individuals on U.S. soil should it o it?

121 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:42:14pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

I know ice storms are dangerous but there’s nothing quite like the sight of every single branch on every tree covered with clear glistening ice.

I have never seen that, sounds beautiful, especially at early light.

122 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:45:22pm

re: #121 Political Atheist

I have never seen that, sounds beautiful, especially at early light.

Snow and ice can be beautiful (see above :) but it gets scary real quick when your heat requires electricity (igniters, fans, thermostats, etc) to function and right behind that snow and ice it’s -20 degrees and falling.

123 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:46:13pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

And we prove Kate Stewart correct yet again.

124 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 7:57:03pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Congrats!

Hmm.

Did I just see Charles ban Kragar for mocking Glenn Greenwald?

I think I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

EDIT: ooooohhhhh. Now I get it. I would never have had this misconception if I hadn’t stopped sniffing glue.

125 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:01:23pm

re: #124 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hmm.

Did I just see Charles ban Kragar for mocking Glenn Greenwald?

I think I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

No, though that was how I initially read Charles’ post.

Charles was saying that Kragar had three more tweets to GG like that before GG blocked him.

Apparently, GG’s already blocked Kragar though.

126 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:07:07pm

Well, the 10:00 news is on, and it’s all about the weather (ICE STORM 2013!!!), which may or may not affect us.

127 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:08:23pm

Hey LGF!

Just got back from an open house gift sale blah blah blah, but one thing I can tell you….people who are not normally in tune with politics, world matters, human rights etc., are learning and respecting tonight. In death Mandela and the press coverage of same (good thing!) is educating people, affecting people and making a difference.

Yes.

I bought a silver spread knife stamped with “spread peace”
Some origami boxes and a goofy 50’s-ish apron.

128 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:10:43pm

‘Measles no longer eliminated in the U.S.’


upi.com

129 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:11:36pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

Texas Police Can’t Tell Marijuana From Tomato Plants

They probably thought they were tomacco plants.

130 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:13:43pm

re: #119 Amory Blaine

I know ice storms are dangerous but there’s nothing quite like the sight of every single branch on every tree covered with clear glistening ice.

Just before every over-weighted limb cracks and falls off on your power lines.

131 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:19:41pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

‘Measles no longer eliminated in the U.S.’

upi.com

Do we have the anti-vaxxers to thank for this?

132 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:20:45pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

They aren’t helping.

133 Joanne  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:23:40pm

OMG, Jon Stewart had me in tears. Talking about Stuart Varney telling the Pope how to, well, be Pope.

134 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:25:41pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

…You’re not???

135 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:28:05pm

Hearing more than one wingnut now taking the line that no doubt will be on Limbaugh’s lips tomorrow: “Apartheid was gonna fall, Mandela had nothing to do with it!” And that may very well be true, but it’s a half-truth at best. The reality likely would have been that, in absence of Mandela, apartheid would have ended with a violent and bloody revolution. There would have been no negotiated end, no unified elections that put a cool-headed and even-handed man in office. Just a lot of shooting, piles of bodies, and a new leader who likely would have follow Mugabe’s footsteps in “punishing” the Afrikaners in the most inhumane fashion possible.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:28:25pm

Not sure how many of you are aware, but

this is a real thing now.

(The reviews are hilarious)

137 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:29:14pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Not sure how many of you are aware, but

this is a real thing now.

Would it shock you to know I own a bottle?

138 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:29:22pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

Smells like equality?

139 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:29:53pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Would it shock you to know I own a bottle?

No, no it wouldn’t.

:P

140 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:31:15pm

re: #132 jaunte

They aren’t helping.

International travel contributes as well, but there would be less to contribute to if kids were properly vaccinated.

141 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:32:07pm

So I see the major fall Rush is about to endure… Falling to a second tier radio station in LA. No more KFI, which owns drive time radio here. Or used to, not checked of late.

142 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:32:51pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

…a new leader who likely would have follow Mugabe’s footsteps in “punishing” the Afrikaners in the most inhumane fashion possible.

I think those still demonizing Mandela would have been gratified by that possible result, because it would have confirmed their prejudices, and excused their own revenge fantasies. They don’t understand or trust his power to reconcile with his oppressors.

143 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:32:53pm

So, it was 70 degrees today.
The weekend? Freezing rain and snow and shit.

144 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:32:59pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

Hearing more than one wingnut now taking the line that no doubt will be on Limbaugh’s lips tomorrow: “Apartheid was gonna fall, Mandela had nothing to do with it!” And that may very well be true, but it’s a half-truth at best. The reality likely would have been that, in absence of Mandela, apartheid would have ended with a violent and bloody revolution. There would have been no negotiated end, no unified elections that put a cool-headed and even-handed man in office. Just a lot of shooting, piles of bodies, and a new leader who likely would have follow Mugabe’s footsteps in “punishing” the Afrikaners in the most inhumane fashion possible.

QTF. Whatever else is true, Nelson Mandela had the same instincts Abraham Lincoln had about ending a conflict. He understood that ending apartheid would be best done if it were done in a none punitive fashion and there are a lot of people, white and black, who are alive today because he made that choice.

145 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:33:23pm

re: #65 Amory Blaine

Jeeze you look at one 55 gallon drum of lube and Amazon decides I’m some kind of super perv with their “suggestions”.

Imagining a 55-gallon drum of lube….

Ummm..axle grease?

Otherwise, you’re a perv, dude.

A sewiouswy perv-o-matic dudemeister.

//

146 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:34:25pm

I also have one of these.
thinkgeek.com

147 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:35:06pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

Do we have the anti-vaxxers to thank for this?

Expected to see that in the article, but they gave it a pass. Google News has a CDC release a few items down from this one.

148 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:35:13pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

I also have one of these.
thinkgeek.com

oh so awesome.

149 Joanne  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:35:52pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

I also have one of these.
thinkgeek.com

That is awesome! I might have to get that.

150 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:37:16pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

QTF. Whatever else is true, Nelson Mandela had the same instincts Abraham Lincoln had about ending a conflict. He understood that ending apartheid would be best done if it were done in a none punitive fashion and there are a lot of people, white and black, who are alive today because he made that choice.

It’s because of Mandela that we’re not calling it the “People’s Republic of South Africa” today.

151 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:37:21pm

re: #68 Lord of the Pies

You misused the word “literal.”

“Literal” garbage is something you throw in the dumpster, that the garbage trucks collect and put in the compacter and take out to the landfill.

I don’t think there are landfills full of freepers.

FR is a figurative toxic waste dump.

There’s got to be a reason landfills stink so awful…

152 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:38:14pm

re: #142 jaunte

I think those still demonizing Mandela would have been gratified by that possible result, because it would have confirmed their prejudices, and excused their own revenge fantasies. They don’t understand or trust his power to reconcile with his oppressors.

Lots of people, myself included, are more of the mindset “do not allow a defeated enemy stalwart to live”, It guarantees a bloodbath, but its the tactic seen more often because most revolutionary leaders lack Mandela’s qualities of inspiration, are too full of rage or paranoia to imagine reconciliation, or actually want purges and hatred as a way to keep people in a state of ‘fervor’.

153 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:40:13pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

QTF. Whatever else is true, Nelson Mandela had the same instincts Abraham Lincoln had about ending a conflict. He understood that ending apartheid would be best done if it were done in a none punitive fashion and there are a lot of people, white and black, who are alive today because he made that choice.

You know, DF, you present a quandary to me. When you post something like this, you show a maturity and sensitivity that is touching and absolutely heartfelt. On the other hand, I wish that you would show the same sensitivity to the downtrodden in the US.

Just saying’, my man.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:45:04pm

re: #153 austin_blue

You know, DF, you present a quandary to me. When you post something like this, you show a maturity and sensitivity that is touching and absolutely heartfelt. On the other hand, I wish that you would show the same sensitivity to the downtrodden in the US.

Just saying’, my man.

I’m a quandary to myself, in that I can see one of Nelson Mandela’s best qualities, but at the same time know that I do not possess it myself.

155 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:46:12pm

The joys of configuring an equalizer.
:/

156 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:47:24pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I’m a quandary to myself, in that I can see one of Nelson Mandela’s best qualities, but at the same time know that I do not possess it myself.

Fair enough. Honest response.

157 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:47:45pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I’m a quandary to myself, in that I can see one of Nelson Mandela’s best qualities, but at the same time know that I do not possess it myself.

Perhaps you could cultivate it? You needn’t be perfect-just move a little in that direction. We can change, you know.

158 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:50:46pm

re: #157 calochortus

Perhaps you could cultivate it? You needn’t be perfect-just move a little in that direction. We can change, you know.

I do what I can, and i avoid temptations I know I’d be unlikely to resist. That’s all any man can do.

159 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:52:23pm

re: #145 austin_blue

Heh. I’m referencing this.

160 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:54:10pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

I do what I can, and i avoid temptations I know I’d be unlikely to resist. That’s all any man can do.

Indeed.

161 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:00:54pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I’m a quandary to myself, in that I can see one of Nelson Mandela’s best qualities, but at the same time know that I do not possess it myself.

You do realize—and I think I can safely speak for many of us here—that we get frustrated & angry with you at times precisely because we’re fond of you and believe that at your core you’re a decent guy, right?

You’re not perfect. None of us are, but we all want to be better and help those we care about be better, so when we think we see you getting your tunnel vision and going down a road that’s just plain wrong, we end up smacking you around… Then sometimes we see you say something eloquent and extremely insightful or moving and we feel sort of gob smacked, like “WTF? Where have you been hiding this D_F??”

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that before calling it a night.

162 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:01:55pm
163 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:04:03pm
164 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:04:16pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

:(

165 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:04:44pm

re: #163 bratwurst

Even I can’t suppress my laughter at that one.

166 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:05:12pm

re: #159 Amory Blaine

Heh. I’m referencing this.

Really? That is the standard disposal container at any remediation site in the US (properly labeled, of course). Also the standard bulk delivery container for cooking oil, transmission fluid, dry cleaner solvents, anti-freeze, and new fuel oil.

Pervert.

167 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:07:02pm

Remember this when someone tries to tell you that Heritage didn’t use to be an extremist organization:

168 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:08:36pm

Right wing typo of the day

169 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:11:33pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

Right wing typo of the day

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It continues to totally confuse wingnuts, this concept called “diplomacy.” The idea that you can get other countries to change their ways and adopt new ones through peaceful means rather than blowing the fuck out of them.

170 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:13:15pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

It continues to totally confuse wingnuts, this concept called “diplomacy.” The idea that you can get other countries to change their ways and adopt new ones through peaceful means rather than blowing the fuck out of them.

Are they speaking of Mr. Spitz? Mr. Wahlberg?

171 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:14:25pm

re: #170 Stanley Sea

Are they speaking of Mr. Spitz? Mr. Wahlberg?

No, I’m pretty sure they’re talking about Mr. Hamill.

172 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:14:31pm

K, I’m out. Have a good night all.

173 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:15:59pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

You do realize—and I think I can safely speak for many of us here—that we get frustrated & angry with you at times precisely because we’re fond of you and believe that at your core you’re a decent guy, right?

You’re not perfect. None of us are, but we all want to be better and help those we care about be better, so when we think we see you getting your tunnel vision and going down a road that’s just plain wrong, we end up smacking you around… Then sometimes we see you say something eloquent and extremely insightful or moving and we feel sort of gob smacked, like “WTF? Where have you been hiding this D_F??”

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that before calling it a night.

Wow. That was a perfect synopsis of what I have thought for years. Two thumbs up.

And DF, I hope this second-party discussion doesn’t make you uncomfortable, but it’s because we really do love you. You just confuse the hell out of us sometimes.

174 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:23:34pm

re: #124 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hmm.

Did I just see Charles ban Kragar for mocking Glenn Greenwald?

Whoa, dude. No way. That would be the Bizarro Charles.

175 jaunte  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:25:00pm
176 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:25:11pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

But very entertaining for the rest of us…

177 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:27:57pm

Good Night, All.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:28:29pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

Whoa, dude. No way. That would be the Bizarro Charles.

As opposed to Mirror Charles, who would have consigned Kragar to the agony booth.

//

179 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:29:18pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

As opposed to Mirror Charles, who would have consigned Kragar to the agony booth.

//

Mirror Charles has a goatee right?

right?

180 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:29:46pm

Seriously, folks, I have enough of a geeky shopping habit without some of you (and you know who you are) giving me ideas.

Although if someone wants to tell me what to get the husband for Christmas, I’m all ears. The best idea I’ve had so far is just far enough out of the price-range as to taunt me.

181 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:31:17pm

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

Mirror Charles has a goatee right?

right?

Right. And a big “Romney/Ryan ‘12” campaign button on his lapel.

182 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:31:48pm

re: #173 austin_blue

Wow. That was a perfect synopsis of what I have thought for years. Two thumbs up.

Thanks.

And DF, I hope this second-party discussion doesn’t make you uncomfortable, but it’s because we really do love you. You just confuse the hell out of us sometimes.

I think I might have done exactly that. Next time we’ll have to gang up, ambush him, and then hold him down so we can give him a group hug. He’ll never live it down or be able to scrub off all the liberal cooties. LOL

OKayyyy, I’ve clearly been up too long. Gonna go to bed now—g’nite, lizards.

183 klys  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:33:55pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I’m a quandary to myself, in that I can see one of Nelson Mandela’s best qualities, but at the same time know that I do not possess it myself.

Dark, hopefully you see this: most people aren’t like Nelson Mandela. Really, we’re not. We’re all just human.

The thing is, every day, you have the chance to make a choice. It’s really easy to say “oh, that’s not who I am, that’s not what my gut reaction is, and so I can’t do that.”

It can be really, really hard to say “this is who I want to be and I need to change to get there, so I’m going to try to live along the lines of the person I want to be.”

God knows, I’ve fucked it up all over the place. But every day, I get the opportunity to get up and make that choice, and most days, I’d like to think I try to make the decision to live a little closer to the person I want to be instead of the person my laziness/fear/inertia/whatever wants to encourage.

Just food for thought.

184 calochortus  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:35:16pm

Good night all. Hasta mañana.

185 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:11:06pm
186 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:17:09pm

re: #185 Varek Raith

Image: 0V4ajy7.gif

Synchronized Stretching.

187 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:28:35pm

I have had this song stuck in my head recently.

Youtube Video

188 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:30:38pm

Figures, I watch The Day of the Doctor and now have to contend with the compulsion to catch up on the series.

189 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:32:25pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

Welcome to Whoville, home of the Whovians.

Declare myself President of this Chapter at LGF :P.

190 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:34:18pm

re: #189 The War TARDIS

Welcome to Whoville, home of the Whovians.

Declare myself President of this Chapter at LGF :P.

It’s more “Welcome Back” for me. Dropped out after Season 3 and now I’m catching back up. Watching The End of Time now.

191 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:41:19pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Oh boy, does that feel different for me now.

For me, it was a gradual slide. Became curious about the show after seeing The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit on re-run over Summer Break in 2009.

Gradually started watching it. Got addicted with Series 7. The Angels take Manhattan broke my heart. Then, Clara blew in like a pint-sized red and brunette hurricane. I started becoming more and more engrossed with the show.

Then, The Name of the Doctor. It dragged me out of what had been by that point been a 22-month long depression. I’m better, albeit I know I am still a mess in someways.

192 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:47:46pm

re: #191 The War TARDIS

Oh boy, does that feel different for me now.

For me, it was a gradual slide. Became curious about the show after seeing The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit on re-run over Summer Break in 2009.

Gradually started watching it. Got addicted with Series 7. The Angels take Manhattan broke my heart. Then, Clara blew in like a pint-sized red and brunette hurricane. I started becoming more and more engrossed with the show.

Then, The Name of the Doctor. It dragged me out of what had been by that point been a 22-month long depression. I’m better, albeit I know I am still a mess in someways.

Started watching myself back when Syfy started showing the first season, ages ago. Knew nothing about the series, had mostly forgotten the TV movie because it had been so long, but almost immediately found I liked the Ninth Doctor and found the series as a whole so fun to watch. Still sort of bummed that he was only around for one season.

193 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:52:05pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

There was a conflict between Eccleston and some of the behind the scenes crew.

He didn’t even participate in the 50th.

Every living past Doctor has. Hell, Tom Baker and McGann were even in a handful were in the Day of the Doctor and the Night of the Doctor respectively.

It made me curious to about the 8th Doctor’s Audio Stories. Paul McGann seems seriously underrated for me.

Also, Paul McGann looks awesome for being 54. If I can age as well as he has, I will be a happy man.

194 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 11:05:37pm

re: #193 The War TARDIS

There was a conflict between Eccleston and some of the behind the scenes crew.

He didn’t even participate in the 50th.

Every living past Doctor has. Hell, Tom Baker and McGann were even in a handful were in the Day of the Doctor and the Night of the Doctor respectively.

It made me curious to about the 8th Doctor’s Audio Stories. Paul McGann seems seriously underrated for me.

Also, Paul McGann looks awesome for being 54. If I can age as well as he has, I will be a happy man.

Yeah, my understanding is that Doctor Who’s one of those series which has a lot of background politics. I don’t really hold it against Eccleston that he didn’t show up for the 50th, he had his reasons for not wanting to come back to the franchise. Think in some ways it was poorer for it, but ultimately the final product was excellent.

And you’re right about McGann, when I saw Night, I was shocked by how much he still looks like he did back in the TV movie. If he’d still been dressed up like a Victorian fop, it would have been like some lost episode that they’d just unearthed recently. The Eighth was one of those who really deserved to have more time on the air than he did, but I’m glad he at least got proper treatment in the expanded universe.

195 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:18:39am
196 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:25:31am
197 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:48:07am

re: #196 Lidane

It’s about establishing an order that one side benefits from and then doing everything possible to maintain that order

198 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:42:11am

Here’s Nelson Mandela’s 1990 visit to NYC:

Image: 32-131-A-98-african_activist_archive-a0a7n3-a_14380.jpg

(that’s me in the upper right corner, almost out of frame…)

199 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:15:54am

Pop culture flashback — back during the 80’s, there was We Are The World. And Live Aid. And that “Do They Know It’s Christmas?” song that will be all over the radio for the next few weeks.

There was also Artists Against Apartheid and their song “Sun City”:

Youtube Video

200 klys  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:17:16am

Finally saw the Blackstone segment on the Daily Show. Tempted to do a writeup of credit default swaps, but I know it would be preaching to the choir here.

Also, there’s a final exam on Monday. In proof writing. Shoot me.

201 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:18:05am
202 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:59:15am

What’s worse than having a cold?
Having to work OVERNIGHTS while having a cold!!!

Time ticks slowly whilst being here alone for 10 hours!

Then, once I get home, the sniffles and runny nose don’t let me sleep for more than , oh, 30 minutes at a time

{sigh},,,,,,

203 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:00:22am

UPSIDE
I advise you all to buy short term Kleenex Stock!!

204 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:39:32am

re: #199 Lidane

Pop culture flashback — back during the 80’s, there was We Are The World. And Live Aid. And that “Do They Know It’s Christmas?” song that will be all over the radio for the next few weeks.

There was also Artists Against Apartheid and their song “Sun City”:

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I can beat that:

Youtube Video

205 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:51:13am

and more

Youtube Video

and more

Youtube Video

206 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:55:03am

going to try to go back to sleep

207 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:22:38am

Just before logging in this morning, I saw a banner ad from W*L-M*RT corporate claiming that THEY DO SO “pay their employees above the industry average.”

I guess China and Bangladesh set the “industry average.”

Srsly now they’re spamming Adsense with corporate propaganda on blogs like this that talk trash about them.

Let’s talk about the new FORD MUSTANG!

208 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:30:42am
209 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:30:55am

re: #207 Lord of the Pies

Let’s talk about the new FORD MUSTANG!

Or we could let Steven Colbert and Ford CEO Alan Mulally do that for us:

Comedy Central

210 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:32:26am
211 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:35:27am

re: #210 Lidane

It hurts them deep inside to say anything nice or even simply remain silent about some like Nelson Mandela.

212 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:39:45am

re: #209 sagehen

Or we could let Steven Colbert and Ford CEO Alan Mulally do that for us:

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I normally do not watch videos at work but I made an exception for this one because hey, it’s WORK RELATED. :)

213 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:41:41am

The wingnut meltdown over Mandela and Obama continues:

214 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:42:15am
215 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:51:33am

re: #212 Lord of the Pies

I normally do not watch videos at work but I made an exception for this one because hey, it’s WORK RELATED. :)

Did you find their promotion strategy effective? Did it make you want to grab your guy and jump into the backseat?

216 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:56:26am

re: #215 sagehen

Did you find their promotion strategy effective? Did it make you want to grab your guy and jump into the backseat?

Last year they were running a Mustang ad that I thought was kinda lame. It showed various people dreaming of their fantasy Mustang: girl in red boots, biker in green shirt, food service worker with tattoos, and little girl in ballerina costume.

They totally forgot to include the little old lady in a blue hat, the only one who could actually go into a dealership and drive out in a fantasy Mustang.

I mentioned this to some co-workers but I don’t know if it made it up the food chain.

Anyway I’m looking at the Escape or the Edge for my next lease.

217 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:08:16am

Almost dawn—70 degrees. Walking the dog before a serious front comes through. ‘Morning, all.

218 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:12:50am

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Almost dawn—70 degrees. Walking the dog before a serious front comes through. ‘Morning, all.

Must be nice. It’s 34 degrees here, with icy rain and a winter weather warning in effect through tomorrow afternoon. Brrr.

219 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:14:23am

HURR HURR

220 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:22:14am
221 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:22:37am

re: #219 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Catastrophic idiocy alert: supposedly educated people do not understand relationship between climate and weather.

222 A Mom Anon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:22:43am

re: #141 Political Atheist

Crap, I listen to Stephanie Miller every morning on KTLK via I Heart Radio. It freaking figures, it’s a liberal station and they’re going to make into a freak show. Of course they are.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:22:53am

re: #185 Varek Raith

Image: 0V4ajy7.gif

Feline Olympic Event - Synchronized Snoozing.

224 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:23:12am

re: #218 Lidane

Must be nice. It’s 34 degrees here, with icy rain and a winter weather warning in effect through tomorrow afternoon. Brrr.

We’re expecting 75 today in this part of NC. But it’s going to rain. Then, Sunday, down to 30s.

Of course, Pres Obama is right about all the sensational coverage of the NSA/Snowden matter, but Snowden’s PR team has been hard at work trying to make a hero out of a thief.

225 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:24:29am

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Almost dawn—70 degrees. Walking the dog before a serious front comes through. ‘Morning, all.

Same here

Wish I felt better. I’d go play at least 9 holes on the way home. Between the rain and colder weather coming in the next 7 days, I probably won’t get another chance for awhile

226 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:29:49am
227 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:29:52am

re: #196 Lidane

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228 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:30:35am
229 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:31:15am

Good morning Lizards! low 60s and rainy in Philadelphia this morning. Temp should drop to the 40s by the late afternoon.

Cat tree ordered for cats yesterday. Will post pictures once it arrives, is erected, and feline occupation takes place.

It also looks like I will be hosting Christmas dinner for relatives. Time to do a serious sorting and cleaning in order to make the place presentable, and also have space for things like a small Christmas tree, presents, and food.

And my niece remarked that she does not want the motorized (and stabilized) unicycle I saw since “it’s cheating”. :)

230 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:33:34am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

No it’s not. It’s absolutely fair to point out that the American right wing had it in for Mandela for decades. Shit, just look at the NRO Corner article linked to above. It openly admits to all the fears that the RWNJs and the GOP operated under in the 80s and why they supported apartheid.

Look at the dipshits on the right who keep trying to turn Mandela into Pol Pot or Mao or Stalin. Face up to the fact that there are a substantial number of people on the right that were on the wrong side of history with Mandela.

231 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:34:50am

Does anybody remember the horrible genocide of the white Afrikaaners after Mandela became the leader of South Africa?

Me neither.

232 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:34:55am

re: #220 Lidane

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But the tirades are being countered, aggressively. The actual obit is laudatory of Mandela without being over-the-top, while self-critical for its author.

The wingnuts are on that page, but they are not running wild.

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:35:29am

re: #211 Sol Berdinowitz

It hurts them deep inside to say anything nice or even simply remain silent about some like Nelson Mandela.

Combined with a complete inability to let any event go unremarked upon when it is at the top of the news.

234 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:38:49am

re: #218 Lidane

Must be nice. It’s 34 degrees here, with icy rain and a winter weather warning in effect through tomorrow afternoon. Brrr.

Look us up in July.

The crap that went through you is angling this way, while we pile up hot wet air from the Gulf.

235 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:39:18am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

The wingnuts are on that page, but they are not running wild.

But they ARE running wild on the internet reviving all of the old fears and RWNJ propaganda from the 80s that equated Mandela with Pol Pot or the Ayatollah. Look at sites like Free Republic or Breitbart. Or the comments sections on stories about Mandela’s passing. You’ll see the same old shit that the nutbars were saying 30 years ago, but with more open racism.

236 b.d.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:39:51am

I am surprised that I am surprised at the wingnut’s reaction to Mandela passing.

No class sob’s.

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:42:23am

I have to say it again, it somehow hurts some people on the Right to say anything nice, neutral or even to remain silent about Nelson Mandela.

They have this adolescent compulsion to hurl invective at anything that they agree with even slightly or superficially if they hear it being praised by anyone outside their ideological camp for any reason.

238 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:44:16am

re: #235 Lidane

But they ARE running wild on the internet reviving all of the old fears and RWNJ propaganda from the 80s that equated Mandela with Pol Pot or the Ayatollah. Look at sites like Free Republic or Breitbart. Or the comments sections on stories about Mandela’s passing. You’ll see the same old shit that the nutbars were saying 30 years ago, but with more open racism.

NRO was the subject of the Tweet and they are being effectively opposed there.

The reason I for my first post was that I don’t want to sound like a ass right after the man has died by discussing issues of superpower conflict during the Cold War. So I’d like to wait a few days before getting into the politics, that’s all.

239 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:46:17am

Another cockle-warmer:

Restaurant Forced To Stop Feeding The Homeless After Complaints From Nearby Businesses


thinkprogress.org

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:46:50am

re: #236 b.d.

I am surprised that I am surprised at the wingnut’s reaction to Mandela passing.

No class sob’s.

I’m not surprised. Any unregulated comments section turns into poo flinging nowadays - regardless of its location.

A nice mea culpa by Murdock (the link Lidane posted), but if he wants to complain about continued wedge pounding in the current America he needs to look closer to home than the White House.

241 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:50:40am
242 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:57:06am

The same teatard conservatives that are celebrating Mandela’s death and calling him a “terrorist” also want to violently overthrow the US gov. Dolts.

243 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:00:04am

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

But the tirades are being countered, aggressively. The actual obit is laudatory of Mandela without being over-the-top, while self-critical for its author.

The wingnuts are on that page, but they are not running wild.

I did, however, have to flag one hater who was flinging the word “savages” around. I’ll check back later to make sure they block his no-good buttocks. I also let the fellow know that his white hood was showing.

244 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:00:29am

re: #111 Targetpractice

I’d want the Millennium Falcon. Vastly more useful in taking out the Death Star, and did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs (and yes, I know it’s using a distance term to gauge time, but there’s a good explanation of this here).

245 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:00:35am

re: #235 Lidane

But they ARE running wild on the internet reviving all of the old fears and RWNJ propaganda from the 80s that equated Mandela with Pol Pot or the Ayatollah. Look at sites like Free Republic or Breitbart. Or the comments sections on stories about Mandela’s passing. You’ll see the same old shit that the nutbars were saying 30 years ago, but with more open racism.

The teatards are not just running wild on their extremist sites, but they are going batshit crazy on every mainstream site I visited. Within the hour of the news breaking last night, my facebook feed was filled with news outlets covering the story and of course the comments sections were filled with right-wing hatred. Disgusting.

246 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:03:52am

re: #244 lawhawk

I’d want the Millennium Falcon. Vastly more useful in taking out the Death Star, and did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs (and yes, I know it’s using a distance term to gauge time, but there’s a good explanation of this here).

I think the NSA would go for a Borg cube; it is nearly indestructible and can travel across the entire universe. Plus it just looks really Marxisty.

247 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:05:19am

Greenwald and Wikileaks are both not above making Mandela’s death all about them and their pet interests.

Mandela is someone with whom they have absolutely nothing in common with.

Mandela was more than willing to go to prison for his beliefs, and when he came out the other side, he emerged with even more grace and a belief in justice and equality than before. He sought truth and reconciliation, rather than retribution. He oversaw the transition from apartheid to a representative democracy.

What has Greenwald, Wikileaks, and the criminal Snowden done? Undermine US national security at every opportunity. Check.
Flee the US by going to countries that would benefit from knowing what was within the Snowden files? Check.
Seek asylum in Russia? Check.
Refuse to answer for his crimes - the theft of classified intel, means, and methods. Check.
Steal classified intel by taking the IDs of others so as to get intel above his classification level? Check.

Yeah, they’re the same. Only in the fevered mind of an alternative universe where the two are the same. Which is precisely where Greenwald and his Dudebros reside.

248 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:07:50am
@VanityFair: Rick Santorum: Nelson Mandela Fought “Great Injustice” Like Obamacare t.co

What a fucking asshole.

249 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:10:12am

re: #188 Targetpractice

Figures, I watch The Day of the Doctor and now have to contend with the compulsion to catch up on the series.

It’s a compulsion best scratched. From the first Christopher Eccleston episode through “The Day of The Doctor,” almost every episode is wildly entertaining and there are at least a half-dozen or so that are absolutely terrific. I’ve watched ‘em all twice now, and while I didn’t care much at all for the farting aliens, there was only one episode that I hated (“Love & Monsters”). “Midnight” ranks among the best one-hour science fiction episodes I’ve ever seen.

Incidentally, I read there’s now talk about a big screen Doctor Who. It seems that “Day of The Doctor” did pretty decent business with its recent (one night?) movie theater release, grossing some $10 million that included nearly $5 million in the U.S. alone. It was #2 for the day after “Catching Fire.”

250 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:11:39am

These pop-ups are getting annoying. Rant off (sorry).

251 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:14:05am

re: #249 BongCrodny

It’s a compulsion best scratched. From the first Christopher Eccleston episode through “The Day of The Doctor,” almost every episode is wildly entertaining and there are at least a half-dozen or so that are absolutely terrific. I’ve watched ‘em all twice now, and while I didn’t care much at all for the farting aliens, there was only one episode that I hated (“Love & Monsters”). “Midnight” ranks among the best one-hour science fiction episodes I’ve ever seen.

Incidentally, I read there’s now talk about a big screen Doctor Who. It seems that “Day of The Doctor” did pretty decent business with its recent (one night?) movie theater release, grossing some $10 million that included nearly $5 million in the U.S. alone. It was #2 for the day after “Catching Fire.”

Just watch out about inhibiting ‘Whoville’ in December: You risk having the Grinch steal all your Christmas decorations.

//

252 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:15:48am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

@VanityFair: Rick Santorum: Nelson Mandela Fought “Great Injustice” Like Obamacare

Yes, forcing people to live in townships without sanitation and denying them the right to education, jobs and free travel is just like forcing them to be insured.

253 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:16:27am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

What a fucking asshole.

That’s a feature not a bug. Santorum has always been a sanctimonious, humorless asshole.

254 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:16:34am

Morning. Did I read above there may or may not be a Bizzaro Charles???

What would be this entities characteristics be so I can be on the lookout?

Weather update here in central Ohio…spitting a little rain with some big snowflakes appearing from time to time. 30 degrees and dropping a bit, so I went out and laid down a little halite to keep ice from forming underneath the snow predicted for later.

Schools are closed due to the forecast. Last time the city schools did that, the storm never hit and the kids had a day off for the hell of it. They still are saying we could get anywhere from 4 to 8 inches…so that means probably 2” or less.

Panic in the streets of Columbus…kill the DJ, kill the DJ…kill the DJ!

Life goes on. Stay safe those that do get the ice and snow.

255 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:17:59am
256 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:18:04am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

I think the NSA would go for a Borg cube; it is nearly indestructible and can travel across the entire universe. Plus it just looks really Marxisty.

That and its intense and overwhelming desire to assimilate all data. It will become one with the NSA. Resistance is futile. /

257 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:19:25am

re: #253 Lidane

That’s a feature not a bug. Santorum has always been a sanctimonious, humorless asshole.

And that idiot seems to think he is starting an early run for the GOP nomination. Will he ever learn? I don’t think his own party even wants him.

Hey Ricky…by a clue!!!

258 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:20:54am

re: #256 lawhawk

That and its intense and overwhelming desire to assimilate all data. It will become one with the NSA. Resistance is futile. /

Bingo!

259 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:23:25am

re: #255 Lidane

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Do not read the comments on Cruz’s page unless you have a glass of bleach to clean your eyes after. What vile assholes.

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:24:32am

re: #257 ObserverArt

And that idiot seems to think he is starting an early run for the GOP nomination. Will he ever learn? I don’t think his own party even wants him.

Hey Ricky…by a clue!!!

Regarding Santorum, I came across this little bit on Wikipedia while reading up on 90’s Pittsburgh politics. From the Bob Cramner* wikipedia page:

The Teresa Heinz - Rick Santorum Controversy
In 1994, he was elected Chairman of the Republican Party of Allegheny County. In October of that year Cranmer again gained the national spotlight when Teresa Heinz, the wife of the late Senator John Heinz, a Republican, and later wife of presidential candidate John Kerry, publicly endorsed Democratic incumbent Senator Harris Wofford, who had been appointed to the seat by Governor Bob Casey following her husband’s death. She called the Republican candidate, Congressman Rick Santorum, “Forrest Gump with an attitude” and labeled him much too conservative for Pennsylvania.

The same day that her endorsement made the Pennsylvania newspapers Cranmer issued a press release which included a letter from him to Mrs. Heinz (who was, at that time, a registered Republican), asking her to change her voter registration to the Democratic Party; he also included a voter registration form. Cranmer’s letter helped him gain notoriety, as it was seen as emblematic of the betrayal felt by State Republicans.

*- Bob Cramner was the GOP member of the Allegheny County Commissioners and quite influential in local politics at that time.

261 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:25:23am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Youtube Video

262 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:26:00am

re: #230 Lidane

No it’s not. It’s absolutely fair to point out that the American right wing had it in for Mandela for decades. Shit, just look at the NRO Corner article linked to above. It openly admits to all the fears that the RWNJs and the GOP operated under in the 80s and why they supported apartheid.

Look at the dipshits on the right who keep trying to turn Mandela into Pol Pot or Mao or Stalin. Face up to the fact that there are a substantial number of people on the right that were on the wrong side of history with Mandela.

I’m sure it’s coincidence that Obama’s first public attention was when he led the anti-apartheid student group at Occidental College (1980) — speaking at rallies, organizing students to demand the school’s endowment divest from stock in companies that did business there…

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:27:32am

re: #262 sagehen

I’m sure it’s coincidence that Obama’s first public attention was when he led the anti-apartheid student group at Occidental College (1980) — speaking at rallies, organizing students to demand the school’s endowment divest from stock in companies that did business there…

Which goes to show that he is a dyed-in-the-wool Maoist.

/

264 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:28:42am

Ted Cruz offers words on Mandela, and gets roughed up by his own supporters.

facebook.com

He was a convicted terrorist and a leader in the Communist Party…good grief Ted!!!!!
——-Ted just maybe a RINO!

Mr. Cruz, not exactly. Nelson Mandela was a communist who murdered many people. He caused that capital of South Africa become a place where rate of rape was in first ten at whole world. I won’t cry, because in history were many people who were real advocates of freedom.

And mocked by others:

You built this hate, Teddy boy!

All this paranoia, hate and misinformation, Mr. Cruz…YOU and the RNC built that.

265 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:32:35am

re: #110 jaunte

If the NSA could build a Deathstar, would it be the right thing to do?

The White House has already addressed this question:

petitions.whitehouse.gov

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:32:52am

re: #264 darthstar

Ted Cruz offers words on Mandela, and gets roughed up by his own supporters.

facebook.com

And mocked by others:

It goes to show the sort of resistance that any sane, moderate GOP candidate faces in his own party.

267 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:33:08am

re: #261 Flounder

[Bugs Bunny Scream]

That can be heard inside many a big-ass SUV driving on the freeways in full 4-wheel drive mode with traction control while the driver inches up on the wheel and is on the smart phone telling everyone they know how scared they are of the impending doom that hasn’t even come yet.

Yes…holding up traffic doing 40 as everyone that can drive passes by at 70 going WTF!

Does this phenomena happen on the roads where other LGF members reside? I get so frustrated in the snow, ‘cuz I love to drive in it and I just have a little VW with winter tires and manual tranny.

Big News: Columbus O-hi-o…third happiest city in ‘merica! Woot!

268 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:34:45am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Just watch out about inhibiting ‘Whoville’ in December: You risk having the Grinch steal all your Christmas decorations.

//

Bit ahead of ya, Dark.

I write weekly trivia for a little pub in NoVa; three normal-type trivia sheets followed by a “Jeopardy” board knock-off.

One of the categories I came up with for the board included the answers Doctor Who, Cindy Lou Who, Samantha Who, The Who, and “He Who Must Not Be Named.”

That category, of course, was titled “Who Am I.”

269 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:35:21am

re: #264 darthstar

My favorite insult so far:

Apparently, Ted Cruz’s base is composed of people whose parents are siblings. Good grief!

Heh.

270 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:35:51am

re: #267 ObserverArt

Does this phenomena happen on the roads where other LGF members reside?

I have spent many a storm in many of this countries major (and smaller) cities over the years and the answer is an unqualified YES

271 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:36:20am

re: #255 Lidane

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Breaking: GOP rebranding and minority outreach effort sabotaged by GOP supporters.

272 Dave In Austin  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:39:03am

re: #264 darthstar

How Bout this one:

End Cultural Marxism:
I look forward to this thing breaking down, so I can kick fuckers like you in the teeth.

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:39:22am

re: #267 ObserverArt

That can be heard inside many a big-ass SUV driving on the freeways in full 4-wheel drive mode with traction control while the driver inches up on the wheel and is on the smart phone telling everyone they know how scared they are of the impending doom that hasn’t even come yet.

Yes…holding up traffic doing 40 as everyone that can drive passes by at 70 going WTF!

Does this phenomena happen on the roads where other LGF members reside? I get so frustrated in the snow, ‘cuz I love to drive in it and I just have a little VW with winter tires and manual tranny.

Big News: Columbus O-hi-o…third happiest city in ‘merica! Woot!

Pretty much. I don’t mind driving on snow since I was taught how to do so back in the early 80s. I don’t *like* doing it due to knowing that there are scads of people out on those same roads who do not have a clue.

274 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:39:53am

re: #260 Feline Fearless Leader

Regarding Santorum, I came across this little bit on Wikipedia while reading up on 90’s Pittsburgh politics. From the Bob Cramner* wikipedia page:

*- Bob Cramner was the GOP member of the Allegheny County Commissioners and quite influential in local politics at that time.

Wasn’t Rick Santorum considered one of the dumbest members of Congress when he served?

It really sounds like Mrs. Kerry wasn’t too far off the mark.

275 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:40:01am

re: #271 sagehen

Breaking: GOP rebranding and minority outreach effort sabotaged by GOP supporters.

TeaBagger/Wingnut to GOP leaders:

“You’ll have to pry my hate from my cold dead mouth!”

276 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:40:11am

re: #268 BongCrodny

Bit ahead of ya, Dark.

I write weekly trivia for a little pub in NoVa; three normal-type trivia sheets followed by a “Jeopardy” board knock-off.

One of the categories I came up with for the board included the answers Doctor Who, Cindy Lou Who, Samantha Who, The Who, and “He Who Must Not Be Named.”

That category, of course, was titled “Who Am I.”

Was the bonus answer “She Who Must Be Obeyed”?

277 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:40:26am

I think I may have come up with the perfect nickname for Greenwald.

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:43:24am

re: #274 BongCrodny

Wasn’t Rick Santorum considered one of the dumbest members of Congress when he served?

It really sounds like Mrs. Kerry wasn’t too far off the mark.

It does sound like Ms Heinz (I believe she has gone back to using Teresa Heinz) saw the GOP running rightward towards the cliff. And appears to have been an early victim of RINOization.

279 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:43:44am

re: #264 darthstar

Ted Cruz offers words on Mandela, and gets roughed up by his own supporters.

facebook.com

And mocked by others:

In this episode, Ted Cruz learns that the people who flock to you when you act like an asshole will turn you when you act decently and respectfully.

280 b.d.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:44:08am

re: #255 Lidane

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LOL.

Ted Cruz, that PC RINO.

281 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:44:34am
282 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:45:56am

Morning, Lizards. Have Donald Trump and/or Ted Cruz walked back their admiring comments on Mandela yet? I can’t believe either was dumb enough to not know their audience (well, Trump I can believe that).

Also, has human septic tank Ben Shapiro said anything “clever” about Mandela yet?

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:46:52am

And on that note, the long quiet sneezy drive home beckons

284 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:47:00am

re: #281 darthstar

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The president quelled the BoGate scandal but whacking the dog on the butt with a rolled up copy of the Washington Post.

//

285 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:47:02am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this episode, Ted Cruz learns that the people who flock to you when you act like an asshole will turn you when you act decently and respectfully.

Also, Ted Cruz and the rest of the GOP get an object lesson on just who their party base is.

286 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:47:11am

I kind of prefer Glennzilla, for obvious reasons.

287 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:49:07am

re: #282 Ian G.

Also, has human septic tank Ben Shapiro said anything “clever” about Mandela yet?

Not yet, he spent last night Tweeting about “The Sound of Music”

288 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:49:16am

re: #285 Lidane

Also, Ted Cruz and the rest of the GOP get an object lesson on just who their party base is.

They had a chance to try to silence or at lest distance themselves from this sort of rabid stupidity but instead they institutionalized it. Now all they can do is keep veering harder to the right

289 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:49:28am

re: #283 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet sneezy drive home beckons

Feel better soon!

290 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:49:36am

re: #267 ObserverArt

Even in NY, people can’t drive in snow. Mostly too slow. Too fast and you are in the ditch. My favorite, people who stop going up a hill, AAAGH!

291 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:50:55am

re: #267 ObserverArt

oh yeah, who is Manual Tranny?
teehee, 2011 VW Jetta tdi woth 6-speed standard. With snow tires.

292 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:51:15am

re: #287 Lord of the Pies

Not yet, he spent last night Tweeting about “The Sound of Music”

“The hills are alive, with the sound of DERPing!”….

293 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:52:17am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

I kind of prefer Glennzilla, for obvious reasons.

When he’s being a monster, yes, but when he’s being a victim?

294 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:53:17am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this episode, Ted Cruz learns that the people who flock to you when you act like an asshole will turn you when you act decently and respectfully.

Yep. But, I would hesitate from ever saying that Cruz can act decently…because the key word is ACT. That is all that guy does in my opinion. So, I understand your point…but he’d have to do a whole hell of a lot of changing and actually come off as earnest before I’d ever buy he changed even 1 degree.

I think there are probably a whole bunch of Republicans worried they opened the Pandora’s box of hatred and they can’t get the lid back on. Sucks for them, but they did it to themselves.

295 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:53:32am
296 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:53:50am

Oh hey, look at that. Marco Rubio got flack for praising Mandela too:

facebook.com

It’s not even close to the number of comments Ted Cruz got, but the cries of ZOMG RINO are still there.

297 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:54:54am

re: #287 Lord of the Pies

Not yet, he spent last night Tweeting about “The Sound of Music”

Why does that sound so odd to me???

298 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:55:26am

re: #296 Lidane

John Cornyn got the RWNJs yelling at him too:

facebook.com

299 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:56:38am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I think there are probably a whole bunch of Republicans worried they opened the Pandora’s box of hatred and they can’t get the lid back on. Sucks for them, but they did it to themselves.

They did not just allow it to happen, they promoted and insitutionalized it…their fear of being booed by a few loudmouths at a town hall meeting was enough to make them swallow their own vomit.

300 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:56:46am
301 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:58:13am

re: #300 darthstar

How can you praise Nelson Mandela when your hero is an idealized cartoon cut-out image of Ronald Reagan? @joanwalsh on the right-washing now underway: bit.ly

FTFY

302 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:59:06am

re: #301 Sol Berdinowitz

FTFY

Thank you.

303 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:59:40am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

I kind of prefer Glennzilla, for obvious reasons.

Though he’s more like Minilla blowing smoke rings than the actual Gojira doing damage.

304 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:59:48am

re: #300 darthstar

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Moreover, how can RWNJs praise Jesus when their hero is Ayn Rand?

305 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:00:30am

Winter storm blog: 240,000 outages in Dallas-Fort Worth area

wfaa.com

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:00:59am

re: #291 Flounder

oh yeah, who is Manual Tranny?
teehee, 2011 VW Jetta tdi woth 6-speed standard. With snow tires.

Manual is the guy who kicks Otto Matic’s ass.

307 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:01:59am

Good news this morning as 203,000 jobs were added in November and the unemployment rate dropped to 7% even as the labor forced increased. The alternative unemployment rate which includes underemployed and discouraged workers also dropped sharply from 13.8% to 13.2%, and all this happened due to private sector job creation, as federal government employment dropped by another 7,000, and has dropped 92,000 over the last twelve months. Employment has grown by more than 200,000 jobs in three of the last four months, and averaged 195,000 per month this year, despite federal government austerity, even while the inflation rate has remained extremely low.

308 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:02:04am
309 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:03:38am

re: #307 aagcobb

310 b.d.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:03:41am

This must International Incite a WIngnut Day

When wingnuts attack their own I smile.

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:05:16am

re: #310 b.d.

This must International Incite a WIngnut Day

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When wingnuts attack their own I smile.

Then you will enjoy the 2016 GOP debates…

312 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:06:10am

GOP is having a tough time boxing Obama right now:
Obamacare succeeding (jab!)
Nov Jobs: 203,000 (jab!)
Unemployment: 7% (uppercut!)
Consumer Confidence (roundhouse!)

313 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:07:25am

re: #311 Sol Berdinowitz

Then you will enjoy the 2016 GOP debates…

I’m investing in popcorn futures. And wine. Heh.

314 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:08:00am

re: #290 Flounder

Even in NY, people can’t drive in snow. Mostly too slow. Too fast and you are in the ditch. My favorite, people who stop going up a hill, AAAGH!

Have you ever noticed all of the SUVs (and some other cars, especially rear wheel drive) that find themselves off the road and down in the culvert or up against a fence on the inside of a turn, especially on ramps?

A big SUV in 4 wheel drive tends to pull ( power-oversteer) off the inside of the road and then the traction hooks up and drives them right off the road and down the embankment.

The other big thing is, many people do not realize sometimes you have three options: 1. on the gas…2. brake…3. off the gas and brake to coast and regain control or to allow momentum. I think many a driver fails to understand #3. And that is all conditions. Brake tappers…arrrgh!

315 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:09:31am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

Winter storm blog: 240,000 outages in Dallas-Fort Worth area

wfaa.com

Obviously, this is God’s punishment for Texas recognizing same-sex marriage.

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316 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:09:55am

GOP Women’s Outreach.

“Let me explain it this way, Joel, and you might feel the same way. When I find out my wife’s been shopping at a home improvement store, I get nervous. I wonder what ideas are going on in her pretty little head and ‘What’s it going to cost me?’”

— North Dakota State Sen. Dwight Cook (R), in an interview on KFGO.

Yeah, how dare my wife go to Home Depot or Lowes, buy stuff, and think about improving her home.

But hey, there’s no GOP war on women. Nope. Not at all.

317 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:10:36am

O’Reilly Grills Palin About GOP Tea Party Infighting: ‘You Can’t Keep Sniping at Each Other’

Well, yes, they can—and they will.

Who’s corrosive, again? I love it when they eat their own.

“They also touched on Martin Bashir, and O’Reilly asked Palin what she would have done if she had been Bashir’s boss. Palin said that had she been in charge at MSNBC, she never would have allowed the “corporate culture” to get so corrosive that comments like Bashir’s would have been allowed in the first place.”

mediaite.com

318 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:10:58am

re: #316 lawhawk

GOP Women’s Outreach.

Yeah, how dare my wife go to Home Depot or Lowes, buy stuff, and think about improving her home.

But hey, there’s no GOP war on women. Nope. Not at all.

“pretty little head” is a nice touch too. Don’t think too hard with that female mind of yours, honey.

319 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:12:08am

re: #315 Ian G.

Obviously, this is God’s punishment for Texas recognizing same-sex marriage.

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Yeah, the sky will fall next.

320 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:12:16am

re: #248 Dr. Matt

321 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:13:49am

re: #312 darthstar

GOP is having a tough time boxing Obama right now:
Obamacare succeeding (jab!)
Nov Jobs: 203,000 (jab!)
Unemployment: 7% (uppercut!)
Consumer Confidence (roundhouse!)

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Indeed, all the positive news coming from the economy is actually causing Wall Street to get the jitters over the past week (losses for most of the week) that the Fed’s economic policies may start wrapping up, reducing their effect on pumping up Wall Street’s most impressive performance this year (DJIA up 22% to record levels, S&P 500 - up 26%, Russell 2000 up 33%).

It further indicates that what’s good for the economy isn’t always what’s best for Wall Street, or vice versa. It’s a disconnect that people can’t always wrap their head around.

322 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:15:07am

re: #316 lawhawk

GOP Women’s Outreach.

Yeah, how dare my wife go to Home Depot or Lowes, buy stuff, and think about improving her home.

But hey, there’s no GOP war on women. Nope. Not at all.

That’s not a “war on women” comment, that’s a “confusion between the sexes” comment. Those kinds of comments may be stereotypical, but they aren’t misogynist. Dwight Cook most likely loves his wife, but like most men cannot understand her ideas about home renovation and interior decoration.

323 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:16:57am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a “war on women” comment, that’s a “confusion between the sexes” comment. Those kinds of comments may be stereotypical, but they aren’t misogynist. Dwight Cook most likely loves his wife, but like most men cannot understand her ideas about home renovation and interior decoration..

So—deny, deny, deny?

324 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:17:24am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Putting your wife in her place. In the home. How dare she consider going to Home Depot or having ideas of her own on how to decorate?

No, I’ve got to disagree.

He probably loves his wife, but has a really odd way of showing it.

325 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:18:12am

re: #291 Flounder

oh yeah, who is Manual Tranny?
teehee, 2011 VW Jetta tdi woth 6-speed standard. With snow tires.

Nice car! Aren’t dedicated winter tires great! I try to tell people all weather tires usually mean not too good in any weather.

I run Dunlop Winter Sport series on factory metal wheels. They aren’t as radical as a Bridgestone Blizzack which are really ice tires. They are more of a narrow, deep grooved snow tire. And their best feature…still good handling on dry pavement for a winter tire…thus their “sport” designation.

In spring I put on my Continental Extreme Contact DW (Dry/Wet) tires with aluminum MSW wheels.

I have a ‘08 Bunny with the 2.5 gas and the 5-speed. It’s in the body shop getting a new rear bumper and a new hatch…some guy backed into it while it was parked at my local Kroger store a few weeks back to the tune of $2500 damage. He had a big ass Chevy Tahoe and must have never looked back and wham!

326 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:20:15am

re: #299 Sol Berdinowitz

They did not just allow it to happen, they promoted and insitutionalized it…their fear of being booed by a few loudmouths at a town hall meeting was enough to make them swallow their own vomit.

You do have a way with words Sol!

327 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:22:59am

Breitbart headline reads: 5 Ways Obama Isn’t Mandela

328 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:23:43am
329 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:24:31am

Wingnuts still waging that Class Warfare against Teh Poors.

330 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:25:23am

HURR HURR ANYBODY WHO WORKS IN TEH SALT MINES DESERVES TO BE EXPLOITED & UNDERPAID!!!!11!!!

331 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:25:44am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Manual is the guy who kicks Otto Matic’s ass.

Damn right! I haven’t had an automatic since the early 80s. I hope never to again. But, it is hard to find manual in many cars. The new 6-speed or more automatics are pretty good, but let me control and decide…especially in the winter. Also, a little dynamic downshifting and it saves on the brakes too and again is great for snow driving.

The loaner I am driving ( a brand new Jetta Se - amazing what Enterprise offers) is an auto and I don’t know what to do with my left foot/leg!

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:26:19am

re: #328 Lidane

And apparently only dangerous communist terrorists oppose slavery and apartheid.
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333 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:26:46am

We have to distinguish between labor as a commodity and labor as a human state, one that confers not only a wage, but a standard of dignity and self-respect upon the worker.

Part of that dignity is the ability to live off one’s wages.

That is something that is totally lost to the hard-core Free Marketeers out there.

334 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:27:34am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Manual is the guy who kicks Otto Matic’s ass.

Europeans tend to look on automatics as the Work of the Devil, they are few and far between here.

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:28:17am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Damn right! I haven’t had an automatic since the early 80s. I hope never to again. But, it is hard to find manual in many cars. The new 6-speed or more automatics are pretty good, but let me control and decide…especially in the winter. Also, a little dynamic downshifting and it saves on the brakes too and again is great for snow driving.

The loaner I am driving ( a brand new Jetta Se - amazing what Enterprise offers) is an auto and I don’t know what to do with my left foot/leg!

When I was over in Germany for a week last year the rental car I was given was a Ford Focus stationwagon. 6-speed manual. Was actually a nice drive. My co-workers were whining about how hard it was to get a rental with an automatic transmission. I was “Ooo… hand over a manual with all speed!” :)

336 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:28:51am
337 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:29:17am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

That’s not a “war on women” comment, that’s a “confusion between the sexes” comment. Those kinds of comments may be stereotypical, but they aren’t misogynist. Dwight Cook most likely loves his wife, but like most men cannot understand her ideas about home renovation and interior decoration..

Dark…what are we gonna do with you?

338 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:29:44am

re: #331 ObserverArt

If I tried to drive a manual I’d leave the transmission all over the road. I learned how to drive on an automatic and have never driven anything else.

339 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:30:38am

re: #338 Lidane

If I tried to drive a manual I’d leave the transmission all over the road. I learned how to drive on an automatic and have never driven anything else.

I learned how to drive on a stick but then never drove one again ever.

340 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:30:44am

re: #327 darthstar

Breitbart headline reads: 5 Ways Obama Isn’t Mandela

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I’m glad their severs are in California. If a breitbart.com server were located in Chicago, the flood of toxic bile spewed onto the comment thread for that screed would overwhelm the sewer system. They’d have to open the locks in Wilmette and discharge the hate bile into Lake Michigan.

341 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:31:55am

Worst. Marxofascist. EVAR.

342 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:33:14am

re: #329 Lord of the Pies

Wingnuts still waging that Class Warfare against Teh Poors.

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McDonald’s employs some nearly a half-million people in the U.S.

Why *shouldn’t* one the country’s third-largest employer be held to a standard that allows its employees at least the prospect of a decent life?

343 iossarian  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:34:23am

re: #341 Lidane

Worst. Marxofascist. EVAR.

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It’s getting harder to hire cheap labor due to the decline in unemployment.

THANKS OBAMA

344 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:34:48am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

We have to distinguish between labor as a commodity and labor as a human state, one that confers not only a wage, but a standard of dignity and self-respect upon the worker.

Part of that dignity is the ability to live off one’s wages.

That is something that is totally lost to the hard-core Free Marketeers out there.

Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingding.

345 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:36:03am

Greenwald’s sense of journalism is kinda hazy. He thinks the US media is going to gloss over Mandela’s legacy.

Except that they’re not.The quotes and news reports are easily found in the US media, and a Google search indicates as much.

It’s much more nuanced than Greenwald’s take.

Mandela opposed the Iraq War (as did a whole lot of Americans).
Mandela found fault with income inequality and racism, including here in the US (again, as do a significant number of Americans).
Mandela cozied up with folks that the US considered enemies (Castro being but one).
Mandela also didn’t like the fact that the US considered OBL an enemy and did so without due process (except that OBL declared war on the US, and the US responded in kind, so his objections here do lack merit).

thinkprogress.org

The NYT has a wide range of coverage, including how Mandela failed his country by ignoring the AIDS epidemic that swept across his country, and which his successor actively denied was occurring, but later turned to being an advocate for AIDS awareness and treatment options.

346 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:36:58am

re: #327 darthstar

Breitbart headline reads: 5 Ways Obama Isn’t Mandela

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For lack of anything else, they fall back on the old polemic of holding Obama up as some heroic figure and then pointing out that he has feet of clay.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:37:30am
348 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:38:34am

re: #342 BongCrodny

McDonald’s employs some nearly a half-million people in the U.S.

Why *shouldn’t* one the country’s third-largest employer be held to a standard that allows its employees at least the prospect of a decent life?

HURR HURR IF MCDONALDS PAYS ITS LOSER WORTHLESS WORKFORCE MOAR MONEYS THEY WILL CHOOSE FLIPPING BURGERS OVER GETTING A REAL JRRB!!!!!!!!

Wait, isn’t working at a fast food place “a real jrrb”? What is it?

349 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:40:28am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Morning. Did I read above there may or may not be a Bizzaro Charles???

What would be this entities characteristics be so I can be on the lookout?
.

I understand that Bizarro Charles plays the Accordion, and wears a Fedora, even inside.

RBS

350 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:40:46am

re: #348 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR IF MCDONALDS PAYS ITS LOSER WORTHLESS WORKFORCE MOAR MONEYS THEY WILL CHOOSE FLIPPING BURGERS OVER GETTING A REAL JRRB!!!!!!!!

Wait, isn’t working at a fast food place “a real jrrb”? What is it?

You see, there was a time when “real jobs” meant some sort of (unionized) job in manufacturing, McD and the like were just seen as temporary foot-in-the-door jobs for young people…

Those days are long gone, McD is often all there is for a lot of people.

351 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:41:10am

Fast food and Walmart are Teh Moast Suck of all teh jrrbs. People would not want to work there even with MOAR MONEYS. The work is horrible. People who do that work should be paid more because it is HARD WORK.

352 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:41:22am

Ladies (and gentlemen that never learned)…you too can drive a manual transmission.

It is fun and makes you more a part of the car. May I suggest starting with a small VW or small Ford like a Focus. They are so easy to ‘clutch’ you can almost pop it and it will still catch and take off. To me small cars and engines are so easy to clutch as the engine revs and the clutch take up are almost matched without even hitting much gas. Modern computer control is so good anymore…it has improved everything so much.

And a side benefit for everyone…you can’t drive a manual and do any of that dangerous stuff like talk or text, eat or apply makeup and fuss with your hair.

And no…I am not saying all women do any of the above…just the ones you see doing it…and the men doing it too. Win win!

353 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:43:56am

re: #314 ObserverArt

Brake tappers ARE THE WORST@!

354 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:44:49am

re: #348 Lord of the Pies

In and Out pays a substantially better wage, and they make what’s generally regarded as a better product, all while competing in the same market space as McDonalds.

At the same time, In and Out does quite well (as a private company, it’s not required to post profits or revenue statements), having grown to 291 locations and over 10,000 employees.

355 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:47:19am

re: #354 lawhawk

In and Out pays a substantially better wage, and they make what’s generally regarded as a better product, all while competing in the same market space as McDonalds.

At the same time, In and Out does quite well (as a private company, it’s not required to post profits or revenue statements), having grown to 291 locations and over 10,000 employees.

I don’t eat at fast food establishments. On the trip down to Alabama, we stopped at a mom & pop cafe in Cincinnati, the only kosher establishment between Detroit & Birmingham.

They have great falafel.

356 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:48:27am

re: #345 lawhawk

Greenwald’s sense of journalism is kinda hazy. He thinks the US media is going to gloss over Mandela’s legacy.

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Except that they’re not.The quotes and news reports are easily found in the US media, and a Google search indicates as much.

It’s much more nuanced than Greenwald’s take.

Mandela opposed the Iraq War (as did a whole lot of Americans).
Mandela found fault with income inequality and racism, including here in the US (again, as do a significant number of Americans).
Mandela cozied up with folks that the US considered enemies (Castro being but one).
Mandela also didn’t like the fact that the US considered OBL an enemy and did so without due process (except that OBL declared war on the US, and the US responded in kind, so his objections here do lack merit).

thinkprogress.org

The NYT has a wide range of coverage, including how Mandela failed his country by ignoring the AIDS epidemic that swept across his country, and which his successor actively denied was occurring, but later turned to being an advocate for AIDS awareness and treatment options.

Glenn Greenwald isn’t really interested in Nelson Mandela wit th line of attack. His aim is twofold:

1. Aggrandizing Glenn Greenwald.

2. Smearing mainstream media outlets in order to feed his own narrative and reduce the effectiveness of media criticism of Greenwald.

As ever with Glenn Greenwald, its Greenwald uber alles.

357 Flounder  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:50:02am

re: #331 ObserverArt

I love the bug BTW! Another reason I love Manual is because I can go over 100k between brake changes. I’m not a big downshifter either. Just the right gear for the right conditions.

358 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:51:38am

Some idiot in the Pages is justifying McD paying its workers shit pay because HURR HURR MOTHER JONES INTERNS GET PAID SAME AS MCDONALDS EMPLOYEES!!!!11!!!

Well except the Mother Jones executives don’t get paid the same as the McDonald’s CEO.

359 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:53:06am

re: #358 Lord of the Pies

McDonalds gives tipping advice to employees (probably meant for the management level in HQ, and definitely not for the line cooks):

newsfeed.time.com

Because shift cooks have a pool cleaner or au pair.

360 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:54:13am

re: #359 lawhawk

McDonalds gives tipping advice to employees (probably meant for the management level in HQ, and definitely not for the line cooks):

newsfeed.time.com

Because shift cooks have a pool cleaner or au pair.

Yeah, that was a big FAIL. Whoever made that web page (it’s been deleted BTW) probably just did a copy pasta without bothering to even read it.

361 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:56:23am

re: #359 lawhawk

McDonalds gives tipping advice to employees (probably meant for the management level in HQ, and definitely not for the line cooks):

newsfeed.time.com

Because shift cooks have a pool cleaner or au pair.

They probably make less than a pool cleaner, not sure what an “au pair” makes I think they are mostly Europeans who come for the “experience” of “living in America” (i.e. illegals)

362 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:00:09am

Wow, who could have predicted that Glenn would piggy back on other people’s work take swipes at a black leader?

363 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:01:03am

re: #345 lawhawk

Greenwald’s sense of journalism is kinda hazy. He thinks the US media is going to gloss over Mandela’s legacy.

Except that they’re not.The quotes and news reports are easily found in the US media, and a Google search indicates as much.

It’s much more nuanced than Greenwald’s take.

Mandela opposed the Iraq War (as did a whole lot of Americans).
Mandela found fault with income inequality and racism, including here in the US (again, as do a significant number of Americans).
Mandela cozied up with folks that the US considered enemies (Castro being but one).
Mandela also didn’t like the fact that the US considered OBL an enemy and did so without due process (except that OBL declared war on the US, and the US responded in kind, so his objections here do lack merit).

thinkprogress.org

The NYT has a wide range of coverage, including how Mandela failed his country by ignoring the AIDS epidemic that swept across his country, and which his successor actively denied was occurring, but later turned to being an advocate for AIDS awareness and treatment options.

Are you implying that Mandela had shifting opinions and that liberal disease called “understanding nuance”?
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364 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:01:51am

Batkid is already paying it forward. He’s helping to raise donations to help other kids get their wishes made.

Now, Miles is helping the police officers realize their goal to raise $75,000 to help grant wishes for 357 children with life-threatening medical conditions. Organizers are hoping to help 10 children on Saturday alone.

The police-run Brave the Bay, now in its 6th year, features a 5K Santa Walk/Fun Run, a Santa plunge in the bay and the Santa Car Pull. Participants can join in either one event or all three to complete the “Santa Triathlon. Each event costs between $25 or $60 for all three.

Miles’ parents, Nick and Natalie Scott, said in a statement that it seemed “only fitting that following a day when the world demonstrated caring and compassion for Batkid, Batkid can now help others.”

Damn… I have something in my eye.

365 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:02:11am

re: #362 Internet Tough Guy

Wow, who could have predicted that Glenn would piggy back on other people’s work take swipes at a black leader?

The point is that Nelson Mandela was a real person living in a world that is full of nuances, one that has changed a lot since he was politically active.

None of this is well handled in the Twitterverse or in the nuance-free ideological bubble that makes up a great deal of modern political “discourse” (i.e. shouting people down who disagree with you)

366 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:03:09am

re: #357 Flounder

I love the bug BTW! Another reason I love Manual is because I can go over 100k between brake changes. I’m not a big downshifter either. Just the right gear for the right conditions.

Yes, the new Beetle is nice, not as cute. The interior is great. Whoever did the interior layout deserves a design award.

I had a ‘99 GTi that I got all the way to 184,000 miles before I bought the bunny. One brake change, one catalytic converter (they had issues on the Mark 4s when they came out) one engine crank timing sensor, a little weld repair to the original exhaust and a new gear shift cable…the original frayed where it hits the shifter. That’s it. Never gave me any real trouble and the paint still looked great. It was getting to the point though, it was going to need wheel bearings and suspension bushings…so I traded it in.

I went with the 5-cylinder 2.5 20 valve Rabbit because I needed to save some money on car payments, and they sort of took me back to the days of American performance cars. Lightweight, not a lot of stuff like leather and sunroof on it and its zero-to-60 was 7.3 seconds compared to the 7.0 on the GTi. And it was 16,500 at zero APR, where the GTi at that time was 25,000. I have not regretted the decision one bit. It’s a sleeper, doesn’t say “ticket me…but racer” and I can still give a lot of cars hell on acceleration and in handling.

Since you seem to know you Dubs…did you know the 2.5 is exactly one half of the V-10 found in the Lamborghini Gallardo? As soon as an Audi/VW nut told me that I was sold.

367 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:04:07am

re: #352 ObserverArt

Ladies (and gentlemen that never learned)…you too can drive a manual transmission.

It is fun and makes you more a part of the car. May I suggest starting with a small VW or small Ford like a Focus. They are so easy to ‘clutch’ you can almost pop it and it will still catch and take off. To me small cars and engines are so easy to clutch as the engine revs and the clutch take up are almost matched without even hitting much gas. Modern computer control is so good anymore…it has improved everything so much.

And a side benefit for everyone…you can’t drive a manual and do any of that dangerous stuff like talk or text, eat or apply makeup and fuss with your hair.

And no…I am not saying all women do any of the above…just the ones you see doing it…and the men doing it too. Win win!

Bolded part not so true unfortunately. I’ve managed to eat burger, fries, and drink Dr Pepper while doing stop-n-go traffic on I-76. You just need to be a little nimble doing the shifting while still holding the burger in one-hand. (Or temporarily holding the steering wheel steady with your knee.) O_o

368 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:06:30am

I bet that when you adjust your thermostat today, you’ll hear that saxophone riff in your head. Don’t pretend you don’t know exactly which one I’m talking about.

369 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:06:31am

re: #360 Lord of the Pies

Yeah, that was a big FAIL. Whoever made that web page (it’s been deleted BTW) probably just did a copy pasta without bothering to even read it.

McDonald’s needs to separate its advice website into three sections to avoid such embarrassment:

1. The 47%, For people actually working in the restaurants who are not the location’s chief manager. This would feature advice on how to scrip by and avoid tips while hosting a Union Thug Attack of the Month column as well.

2. The 52%, for store manages and most of those who work at corporate HQ and the offices of larger franchises. This would have a tipping page with some of the ‘rich people’ stuff deleted, and would also host tips for holiday decorating.

3. The 1%, with a full tipping guide, including the chauffeur, and some lovely holiday baking ideas from Anne Romney.


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370 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:07:47am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

McDonald’s needs to separate its advice website into three sections to avoid such embarrassment:
3. The 1%, with a full tipping guide, including the chauffeur, and some lovely holiday baking ideas from Anne Romney.

/////

Don’t forget the “stocking stuffer” gift suggestions from Gwyneth Paltrow, like the $1200 napkin rings.

371 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:08:08am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

McDonald’s needs to separate its advice website into three sections to avoid such embarrassment:

1. The 47%, For people actually working in the restaurants who are not the location’s chief manager. This would feature advice on how to scrip by and avoid tips while hosting a Union Thug Attack of the Month column as well.

2. The 52%, for store manages and most of those who work at corporate HQ and the offices of larger franchises. This would have a tipping page with some of the ‘rich people’ stuff deleted, and would also host tips for holiday decorating.

3. The 1%, with a full tipping guide, including the chauffeur, and some lovely holiday baking ideas from Anne Romney.

/////

Does #3 also include advice on what sort of salad to order for the horse?

372 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:09:25am

re: #370 Lord of the Pies

Don’t forget the “stocking stuffer” gift suggestions from Gwyneth Paltrow, like the $1200 napkin rings.

She didn’t, did she?

373 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:10:19am

re: #371 Feline Fearless Leader

Does #3 also include advice on what sort of salad to order for the horse?

Garden salad with no dressing. ;)

374 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:12:17am

Why did he wait 8 years to do it, Dim Jim?

375 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:13:16am
[…]

The medical teletherapy device had been inside a steel-reinforced wooden box, but the protective container was opened and the radioactive waste was separated from the equipment in the town of Hueypoxtla, 70 kilometers (43 miles) north of the capital.

The dangerous material was found about one kilometer (0.6 miles) from the truck, which the driver said was stolen by two gunmen at a service station on Monday.

The National Commission for Nuclear Safety and Safeguards (CNSNS) said a family found the open medical device and brought it inside their home. They were also near the radioactive source.

“We will have to keep this family under medical watch for the sole reason of being near a certain distance from the source,” CNSNS operations director Mardonio Jimenez told Milenio television, without specifying how many people were in the family.

Authorities have warned that whoever removed the radioactive material by hand was probably contaminated and could soon die. Authorities are still looking for the thieves.

[…]

Aren’t there international symbols for ‘touch this and you will die’? Couldn’t a few stickers have been applied?

376 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:13:27am

re: #329 Lord of the Pies

Wingnuts still waging that Class Warfare against Teh Poors.

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So, on the one hand they complain that there aren’t enough jobs because Obama, and on the other they criticize the working poor for not taking those nonexistent jobs.

377 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:13:43am

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

Garden salad with no dressing. ;)

I would think they’d like Ranch.

378 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:14:33am

re: #364 lawhawk

Batkid is already paying it forward. He’s helping to raise donations to help other kids get their wishes made.

Damn… I have something in my eye.

“It’s not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.” - Batman

379 iossarian  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:15:01am

re: #374 Lord of the Pies

Why did he wait 8 years to do it, Dim Jim?

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So funny. Every single vote opposing the move in the Senate was from a Republican.

380 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:16:21am

re: #379 iossarian

So funny. Every single vote opposing the move in the Senate was from a Republican.

selective fact-posting is something that Twitters is good for.

That and telling your friends what you had for lunch.

And almost nothing else

381 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:17:00am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

She didn’t, did she?

Yep, she did.

382 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:17:08am

re: #375 wrenchwench

Aren’t there international symbols for ‘touch this and you will die’? Couldn’t a few stickers have been applied?

I believe it might be based on this picture.

Touch It And Die

383 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:17:09am

I want to be this guy:


He’s also the creator of the vodka pie crust recipe.

384 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:18:03am

re: #378 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“It’s not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.” - Batman

That’s from one of Nolan’s Batman movies, isn’t it?

385 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:18:11am

re: #382 Feline Fearless Leader

I believe it might be based on this picture.

Touch It And Die

OK, I can see why they put that in their house.

386 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:18:47am

re: #383 wrenchwench

He’s also the creator of the vodka pie crust recipe.

Wait, what?

387 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:19:30am

re: #375 wrenchwench

Aren’t there international symbols for ‘touch this and you will die’? Couldn’t a few stickers have been applied?

In our Chemical Safety training, we’ve been hearing about the gradual ‘universalization’ of warning signs etc. so that everybody uses the same pictographs, but to me, they seem to have become more obscure.

388 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:20:16am

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Yep, the first one.

389 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:22:38am

re: #387 GeneJockey

In our Chemical Safety training, we’ve been hearing about the gradual ‘universalization’ of warning signs etc. so that everybody uses the same pictographs, but to me, they seem to have become more obscure.

There was some discussion about what sort of signs to put on radioactive waste containers to warn future generations not to touch it…

390 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:23:20am

re: #386 Lord of the Pies

Wait, what?

This looks like what I used for my pumpkin pies and tarts and mincemeat pie last week. Worked great.

391 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:23:43am

re: #374 Lord of the Pies

Why did he wait 8 years to do it, Dim Jim?

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Uhm, Dim Jim, it was Republican Ronald Reagan who put Mandela and the entire ANC on the Terrorist Watch List to begin with. Oh, and the economic sanctions that passed in the 80s? They happened despite a Reagan veto and every single vote in the Senate against overriding the veto? You guessed it: Republican.

392 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:24:17am

re: #386 Lord of the Pies

Wait, what?

seriouseats.com

393 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:24:30am

re: #386 Lord of the Pies

Wait, what?

Yep. Vodka.

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:24:54am

It’s everywhere!

395 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:25:28am

re: #390 wrenchwench

This looks like what I used for my pumpkin pies and tarts and mincemeat pie last week. Worked great.

I have to try that!

When we were driving through Kentucky we passed Jim Beam, Jack Daniels and Maker’s Mark but didn’t bother to stop in.

Bourbon pie crust sounds like it would be awesome, though.

396 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:26:45am

re: #389 Sol Berdinowitz

There was some discussion about what sort of signs to put on radioactive waste containers to warn future generations not to touch it…

Yeah. All those things showing a human dying will be meaningless to our new feline overlords, whom I for one welcome….

397 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:26:53am

It’s hilarious how I’ve got wingnuts to the right of me who want to obsess over Mandela’s violent past and failure to denounce such later in life, and to the left of me I’ve got one who want to co-opt the man or at least the end of apartheid as accomplishments of the GOP/conservatism.

398 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:27:05am

re: #395 Lord of the Pies

I have to try that!

When we were driving through Kentucky we passed Jim Beam, Jack Daniels and Maker’s Mark but didn’t bother to stop in.

Bourbon pie crust sounds like it would be awesome, though.

If you do cookie frosting something to consider is to mix a little fruit-flavored schnapps, amaretto, or frangelica into the frosting.

399 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:28:00am

re: #387 GeneJockey

Image: 500px-Hazard_C.svg.png

Armchair psychologists can entertain themselves with this (or not):

There are only two things that I have ever “experienced” multiple times in dreams. The first is pulling a hair or splinter out of my arm that turns out to be the tail of a very long, segmented worm-like parasite. The other one is spilling a drop of liquid onto my skin that immediately causes the skin to harden like it would if you spilled crazy glue on it, but then the skin begins to dissolve away in much the same way that the acidic blood from the facehugger in “Alien” eats through the floor of the infirmary when they try to cut it off of Kane.

400 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:29:27am

re: #397 Targetpractice

It’s hilarious how I’ve got wingnuts to the right of me who want to obsess over Mandela’s violent past and failure to denounce such later in life, and to the left of me I’ve got one who want to co-opt the man or at least the end of apartheid as accomplishments of the GOP/conservatism.

Are they the same wingnuts who also obsess over violent overthrow of the government because CONSTITION!!!!! or something?

401 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:30:26am

re: #399 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Image: 500px-Hazard_C.svg.png

Armchair psychologists can entertain themselves with this (or not):

There are only two things that I have ever “experienced” multiple times in dreams. The first is pulling a hair or splinter out of my arm that turns out to be the tail of a very long, segmented worm-like parasite. The other one is spilling a drop of liquid onto my skin that immediately causes the skin to harden like it would if you spilled crazy glue on it, but then the skin begins to dissolve away in much the same way that the acidic blood from the facehugger in “Alien” eats through the floor of the infirmary when they try to cut it off of Kane.

We already have the former available:
en.wikipedia.org

402 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:30:35am

re: #397 Targetpractice

It’s hilarious how I’ve got wingnuts to the right of me who want to obsess over Mandela’s violent past and failure to denounce such later in life, and to the left of me I’ve got one who want to co-opt the man or at least the end of apartheid as accomplishments of the GOP/conservatism.

“Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
Here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you!”

403 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:31:27am

re: #363 Feline Fearless Leader

Are you implying that Mandela had shifting opinions and that liberal disease called “understanding nuance”?
//

And that is what is making a lot of people (not just wingnuts) a little crazy. Mandela was a real, live, flawed human being. He did some amazing things, but he also made mistakes. I believe he grew and gained in wisdom as he aged and was able to lead his country out of apartheid with a minimum of pain, but he wasn’t a saint.
It’s hard to cover nuance in 140 characters, so many people just retreat to their corner and argue whether he was the aforementioned saint or a terrorist. It’s easier that way.

404 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:31:30am

re: #397 Targetpractice

It’s hilarious how I’ve got wingnuts to the right of me who want to obsess over Mandela’s violent past and failure to denounce such later in life, and to the left of me I’ve got one who want to co-opt the man or at least the end of apartheid as accomplishments of the GOP/conservatism.

When those assholes renounce violence as a way to ‘Take Back America’, and when they shun the extremists who talk about it, THEN I might give a flying crap what they think about Mandela’s failure to renounce violence.

I mean, cripes, they talk about violent revolution because they don’t like the results of an election in which everyone gets to vote. And Mandela should have renounced violence against a white supremacist minority regime?

405 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:40:16am

re: #399 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Image: 500px-Hazard_C.svg.png

Armchair psychologists can entertain themselves with this (or not):

There are only two things that I have ever “experienced” multiple times in dreams. The first is pulling a hair or splinter out of my arm that turns out to be the tail of a very long, segmented worm-like parasite. The other one is spilling a drop of liquid onto my skin that immediately causes the skin to harden like it would if you spilled crazy glue on it, but then the skin begins to dissolve away in much the same way that the acidic blood from the facehugger in “Alien” eats through the floor of the infirmary when they try to cut it off of Kane.

That makes my ‘Arrived-late-for-a-final-in-a-class-I-didn’t-sign-up-for-but-can’t-drop-and-can’t-fake-and-must-ace-to-graduate-but-i’m-wearing-pajamas-but-wait-they’re-not-pajama-they’re-underwear-no,-wait-I’m-not-even-wearing-underwear-I’m-naked-and-nobody-has-noticed-yet-but-how-will-I-get-back-to-the-dorm?’ dream seem like a walk in the park.

406 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:42:56am

re: #404 GeneJockey

I mean, cripes, they talk about violent revolution because they don’t like the results of an election in which everyone gets to vote. And Mandela should have renounced violence against a white supremacist minority regime?

You see, the whites brought the many blessings of European Civilization to the blacks so they must be eternally grateful and wait until the whites deem them ready for the next step up-like regular trash pickup.
//

The regular trash pickup comes from a reporter last night commenting on Mandela’s pragmatic attitude. The reporter had interviewed him after he became president and asked what he hoped to bring to the residents of Soweto. His response was something along the lines of “regular garbage pickup.”

407 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:43:10am

re: #401 Feline Fearless Leader

Yeah, way too early in life I accidentally stumbled upon a medical text having to do with parasites. Not realizing that curiosity permanently damaged the cat, I read the whole thing.

The most downright gross one was ascaris lumbricoides, which is an absurdly large (18 inches plus) worm that enters the digestive system as a fertilized egg and migrates all throughout the bloodstream until it eventually ends up in the lungs. Infected people frequently cough up masses of fully-developed adult worms. Some of them make their way from the trachea to the esophagus and back into the stomach, where the whole wretched cycle begins again. The best part is about 17% of the human population carries it.

Edit: also, don’t search youtube for “bot fly”.

408 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:43:48am

re: #405 GeneJockey

Pfft. Who hasn’t had that dream. Do try to be original.

409 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:44:55am

re: #407 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Thanks for sharing.

410 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:44:58am

It’s OK to dislike Paris Hilton, but making up fake Tweets to make her look bad is dishonest and disrespectful (and not just to her on the latter point):

Paris Hilton slams Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. Twitter hoax: It ‘lacks respect to the loss the world is mourning right now.’

Reality star and heiress Paris Hilton slammed a fake tweet that claimed she had confused late South African leader Nelson Mandela with civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr. in the wake of Mandela’s death yesterday.

“RIP Nelson Mandela. Your ‘I Have A Dream’ speech was so inspiring. An Amazing man,” a tweet purporting to be from Paris Hilton’s official account read.

Hilton claims that the tweet was mocked up, and slammed the writer.

“Whoever made that stupid fake tweet lacks respect to the loss the world is mourning right now,” Hilton wrote. “Same goes for all the blogs who ran with it.”

411 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:45:43am

re: #408 calochortus

Pfft. Who hasn’t had that dream. Do try to be original.

I only have archetypal dreams, like that one, and the one with the Nameless No-No chasing me through the forest, and I’m only a few yards from safety but my legs are like lead and I can barely get them to lift me let alone run.

412 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:46:13am

re: #404 GeneJockey

When those assholes renounce violence as a way to ‘Take Back America’, and when they shun the extremists who talk about it, THEN I might give a flying crap what they think about Mandela’s failure to renounce violence.

I mean, cripes, they talk about violent revolution because they don’t like the results of an election in which everyone gets to vote. And Mandela should have renounced violence against a white supremacist minority regime?

A lot of additional historical ignorance being shown. And the Sharpeville Massacre pretty much polarized things in 1960.

en.wikipedia.org

413 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:47:10am

re: #411 GeneJockey

Think of them as the Classics.
I usually opt for boring dreams, myself. I like to think it reflects an untroubled psyche.

414 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:47:26am

re: #407 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Yeah, way too early in life I accidentally stumbled upon a medical text having to do with parasites. Not realizing that curiosity permanently damaged the cat, I read the whole thing.

The most downright gross one was ascaris lumbricoides, which is an absurdly large (18 inches plus) worm that enters the digestive system as a fertilized egg and migrates all throughout the bloodstream until it eventually ends up in the lungs. Infected people frequently cough up masses of fully-developed adult worms. Some of them make their way from the trachea to the esophagus and back into the stomach, where the whole wretched cycle begins again. The best part is about 17% of the human population carries it.

Edit: also, don’t search youtube for “bot fly”.

My copy of Carl Zimmer’s _Parasite Rex_ is kicking around somewhere.

415 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:47:33am

re: #405 GeneJockey

That makes my ‘Arrived-late-for-a-final-in-a-class-I-didn’t-sign-up-for-but-can’t-drop-and-can’t-fake-and-must-ace-to-graduate-but-i’m-wearing-pajamas-but-wait-they’re-not-pajama-they’re-underwear-no,-wait-I’m-not-even-wearing-underwear-I’m-naked-and-nobody-has-noticed-yet-but-how-will-I-get-back-to-the-dorm?’ dream seem like a walk in the park.

It’s even worse that the “doing surveillance in an armored vehicle that ends up getting blown up by an ATGM” dream I had a few months back.

But that once at least proved that I can die in a dream and still wake up.

416 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:47:37am

Ben is trying to think of a safe way to say HURR HURR COMMUNIST!!!!!1!!!!

417 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:48:07am

I can never remember my dreams.

418 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:48:34am

re: #417 Lord of the Pies

I can never remember my dreams.

Sounds like that might be a good thing.

419 iossarian  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:49:02am

The thing about Nelson Mandela is that, as is obvious to anyone who thinks at all critically about history and politics, there are elements of his life that are less than salubrious. This is virtually inevitable when you’re part of an oppressed minority. It’s the same (to varying degrees) with the people who led the peace process on the Republican* side during the Northern Ireland Peace Process.

* Irish republicans

It’s not a “bad thing” to point that out. It’s just a shame that for some people, commitment to the great cause of Mining Raw Materials And Keeping All The Money turns Mandela into nothing more than a bomb-throwing commie.

420 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:50:16am

Been reading the wikipedia entries on South African apartheid and the accompanying legislation. And unfortunately I believe that there is a sizable RWNJ segment in the US that would *love* to actually implement it here.

421 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:50:47am

re: #418 wrenchwench

Sounds like that might be a good thing.

Also I take Ambien. It’s supposed to give you vivid, scary dreams but I think that I just dream about stuff I did during the day.

422 b.d.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:52:19am

re: #416 Lord of the Pies

Ben is trying to think of a safe way to say HURR HURR COMMUNIST!!!!!1!!!!

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Wait, Ben is in the media too! Maybe he can write a non-shallow hagiography of Mandela for all of us. I’ll read it!

423 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:52:20am

re: #409 calochortus

You’re welcome, and let me say that teratoma was scrumptious.

424 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #421 Lord of the Pies

Also I take Ambien. It’s supposed to give you vivid, scary dreams but I think that I just dream about stuff I did during the day.

Hmm, perhaps a dream where you are out of flour, your mixer gets knocked off the counter and is broken, you have to have ten pies ready in three hours, it’s 3am and all the stores are closed, and everything smells like cigarette smoke.

425 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:53:04am

re: #423 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Ewwwww.

426 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:54:38am

re: #423 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

You’re welcome, and let me say that teratoma was scrumptious.

Sarcoma McNuggets?

427 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:55:17am

re: #416 Lord of the Pies

Ben is trying to think of a safe way to say HURR HURR COMMUNIST!!!!!1!!!!

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I think he doesn’t like having to refuse the wingnuts their red meat this time, but he doesn’t want the blowback meat tossing would incur in this case.

That’s going to be a theme on the coverage of Mandela’s passing, I’d guess. Those who might go to breitbart.com or Pajamas Media for their hate-fix are going to have to go to places like Weird Nut Daily instead.

428 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:55:23am
429 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:56:35am

What is the origin of “yippie kay -ayo”

Lone Ranger?

430 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:56:58am

re: #394 wrenchwench

It’s everywhere!

Water, water Vodka, vodka everywhere, nor any drop to drink!

431 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:57:43am

Ask a RWNJ, if Mandela was such a HURR HURR COMMUNIST why he didn’t implement Communism when he came to power.

Of course these same nutjobs will tell you that Obama is a HURR HURR COMMUNIST!!!!11!!!!!

I actually even did know a couple of actual Communists when I was in high school many years ago.

They have both passed away now.

432 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:58:05am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

What is the origin of “yippie kay -ayo”

Lone Ranger?

DIE HARD.

433 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:59:39am

re: #432 Lord of the Pies

DIE HARD.

NO! you are silly

434 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:00:24am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

What is the origin of “yippie kay -ayo”

Lone Ranger?

There is some family dispute over this on the hubby’s side. He is desperate to beat his sisters in their twisted trivia game.

435 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:01:00am

re: #434 FemNaziBitch

There is some family dispute over this on the hubby’s side. He is desperate to beat his sisters in their twisted trivia game.

Did you try Teh Googles?

436 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:01:17am

re: #431 Lord of the Pies

Ask a RWNJ, if Mandela was such a HURR HURR COMMUNIST why he didn’t implement Communism when he came to power.

Of course these same nutjobs will tell you that Obama is a HURR HURR COMMUNIST!!!!11!!!!!

I actually even did know a couple of actual Communists when I was in high school many years ago.

They have both passed away now.

Well, see, since Obama is a Communist, whatever he proposes must be Communism, even if it was originally proposed and championed by the GOP. It’s kind of like taking the Batman quite and turning it inside out:

“It’s not what I do, but who you think I am underneath that defines what I do.”

437 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:01:27am
438 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:01:50am

re: #435 Lord of the Pies

Did you try Teh Googles?

he said he did.

I told him I’d ask the ultimate answer machine: LGF.

439 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:02:41am

re: #437 FemNaziBitch

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Looks like they told the ONLY Black guy in the room, “Hey go sit up front and get in the picture!!”

441 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:09:13am

re: #370 Lord of the Pies

Don’t forget the “stocking stuffer” gift suggestions from Gwyneth Paltrow, like the $1200 napkin rings.

Your comment reminds me, the other day on one of the Today show segments, Natalie and I believe Savannah were wondering why people seem to hate on the poor downtrodden Gwyneth on Facebook and Twitter.

I think your example is exactly why.

442 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:09:18am

I’m going with the Bing Crosby for $.50, Alex.

443 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:09:54am

re: #419 iossarian

The thing about Nelson Mandela is that, as is obvious to anyone who thinks at all critically about history and politics, there are elements of his life that are less than salubrious. This is virtually inevitable when you’re part of an oppressed minority. It’s the same (to varying degrees) with the people who led the peace process on the Republican* side during the Northern Ireland Peace Process.

* Irish republicans

It’s not a “bad thing” to point that out. It’s just a shame that for some people, commitment to the great cause of Mining Raw Materials And Keeping All The Money turns Mandela into nothing more than a bomb-throwing commie.

That’s what largely sticks in their craws, that they got drug into ending apartheid, rather than initiating it themselves. That, instead of supporting Mandela and a peaceful resolution, they instead joined Reagan and his asinine belief that there was “moderates” in the Afrikaner regime who could be convinced to slowly dismantle apartheid if only we engaged in “constructive engagement.” That if they just wished really hard for it, they could end apartheid without engaging any of the people actually opposed to it.

444 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:10:32am

The fail is strong with this one:


Also, Joseph Farah and his ‘stache are flogging the Mandela wuz a commie terrorist! fail, too. (RWW link)

445 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:12:23am

All over in six seconds: Dramatic footage of Israeli SWAT team abseiling into building to subdue ‘mentally ill man who imprisoned his niece’

This is the dramatic moment an Israeli SWAT team sprung into action after a it was a reported a mentally ill man barricaded himself in his brother’s apartment with his four-year-old niece.

The unnamed 30-year-old had allegedly refused to open the door to relatives and then police who attempted to negotiate with him.

After officers could not talk the man out of the seventh floor apartment in Ashkelon, the SWAT team were called to access the building through the windows and roof.

Wingnuts will no doubt be disappointed by the way the SWAT officers subdued the man without shooting him or beating the heck out of him.

446 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:12:40am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

What is the origin of “yippie kay -ayo”

Lone Ranger?

Old cowboy songs? IIRC correctly, in addition to singing entertaining lines like “yippie kay-yo, yippie kay-ya”, they yodeled as well. Probably something to do with the wide open spaces and the company of too many bovines…

447 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:13:33am

Rand Paul’s Plan for Detroit:

1. NO MOAR TAXES!!!!11!!!
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!

448 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:18:18am
A man wielding a Ruger Mini 14 and raging with beset manhood stalked the Canadian school’s halls on that December 6, breached the classrooms and forced the men out. Left alone with the women, he killed them because they were women, women doing manly things, manly things he wanted to do and couldn’t do. Their education so enraged him he felt entitled to take their lives, leaving a suicide note peppered with Latin (to demonstrate his erudition) and a list of the names of 19 “feminists” he wished he had had time to kill.

Relatively recent history I did not know.

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449 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:18:55am

re: #447 Lord of the Pies

Rand Paul’s Plan for Detroit:

1. NO MOAR TAXES!!!!11!!!
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!

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OCP. When times get tough, the tough get OCP.

450 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:19:23am

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

All over in six seconds: Dramatic footage of Israeli SWAT team abseiling into building to subdue ‘mentally ill man who imprisoned his niece’

Wingnuts will no doubt be disappointed by the way the SWAT officers subdued the man without shooting him or beating the heck out of him.

I’m so bad. All I can think of is “Ninja Jooos”

451 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:21:01am

re: #444 Lidane

The tower of Babel that is 21st century America is home not to 6 but 317 million alienated, antagonistic individuals, diverse to the point of distrust.

Believe in America!!!

//

452 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:21:39am

re: #449 lawhawk

OCP. When times get tough, the tough get OCP.

What is OCP?

453 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:22:26am

re: #444 Lidane

The fail is strong with this one:

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Also, Joseph Farah and his ‘stache are flogging the Mandela wuz a commie terrorist! fail, too. (RWW link)

Ms. mercer is going to catch a large degree of flak for that one. Hopefully, though she sticks with it, because I’d like for the most extreme wingnuts to just openly admit their anti-Americanism so they can be properly ostracized.

454 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:22:33am

re: #447 Lord of the Pies

Tune in to
@cspan
at 12:35pm ET to hear my plan to revitalize our nation’s impoverished & bankrupt areas become president.

455 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:22:41am
456 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #452 Lord of the Pies

What is OCP?

Omni Consumer Products from the RoboCop films.

457 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:23:52am

re: #452 Lord of the Pies

What is OCP?

Omni Consumer Products: The Evil Corporation of the Robocop movies.

458 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:24:11am

re: #456 Lidane

Omni Consumer Products from the RoboCop films.

Beat me to it.

459 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:24:49am

re: #454 Bulworth

Tune in to
@cspan
at 12:35pm ET to hear my DERP plan to revitalize our nation’s impoverished & bankrupt areas become president.

460 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:25:09am

re: #456 Lidane

Omni Consumer Products from the RoboCop films.

I never saw RoboCop.

461 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:25:12am

re: #452 Lord of the Pies

What is OCP?

OCP. The corrupt business conglomerate in the Robocop movie/tv show. They essentially ran Detroit in a dystopian present.

462 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:25:16am

Just looked at the weather maps again. Not sure what part of Kan-tuck-eee Backwoods lives in, but if it is where I am thinking she looks to have the ice-rain upon her now. The Columbus Oha area seems to be enjoying some kind of heat dome or something. There is a big hole about 40 miles wide or more of clear with snow all around it.

Must be all of John Kasich’s hot air floating above the Capital building. They must be in session plotting other ways to go after women’s health issues or labor unions.

/ sorta on Kasich.

463 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:25:55am

re: #460 Lord of the Pies

Well, they’re doing a remake/reboot.

464 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:27:01am

re: #463 lawhawk

Well, they’re doing a remake/reboot.

Maybe I will watch them both back to back.

465 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:27:26am

re: #462 ObserverArt

Just looked at the weather maps again. Not sure what part of Kan-tuck-eee Backwoods lives in, but if it is where I am thinking she looks to have the ice-rain upon her now. The Columbus Oha area seems to be enjoying some kind of heat dome or something. There is a big hole about 40 miles wide or more of clear with snow all around it.

Must be all of John Kasich’s hot air floating above the Capital building. They must be in session plotting other ways to go after women’s health issues or labor unions.

/ sorta on Kasich.

Still just rain here with temps just a bit above freezing.
Won’t be long, though, before it gets icky.

466 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:27:39am

BRYAN U DUMBFUCK ALL THE BLOOD IS TESTED.

467 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:29:55am

re: #448 FemNaziBitch

Relatively recent history I did not know.

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I maintain it was the dishonor of the men in that hall to have left. They should have fought and died. A bit chauvinistic of me, perhaps, but while I feel men should not oppress women, I do believe they ought to defend them.

“What is life without honor? Disgrace is worse than death!” - Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson

468 ericblair  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:29:58am

re: #367 Feline Fearless Leader

Bolded part not so true unfortunately. I’ve managed to eat burger, fries, and drink Dr Pepper while doing stop-n-go traffic on I-76. You just need to be a little nimble doing the shifting while still holding the burger in one-hand. (Or temporarily holding the steering wheel steady with your knee.) O_o

If you’re going on sidestreets, just stick it in second and forget it. It doesn’t do wonders for your clutch or your mileage, but you won’t spill your Slurpee.

469 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:30:34am
470 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:31:47am

re: #466 Lord of the Pies

The implication of his statement is that he seeks government and religious intrusion into the bedroom - and as far up into lady bits as imaginable. Power, control, and dominion over the private sphere - and further justification for anti-abortion advocacy.

471 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:31:57am

For everyone’s consideration and furthering”

I’m an Old Cowhand

A silly “spoof” of a cowboy song, written for the 1936 movie “Rhythm on the Range,” in which it was sung by Bing Crosby. It has since been recorded by numerous singers and musicians, including Roy Rogers, Frank Sinatra and Harry Connick, Jr. The words and music were written by Johnny Mercer.

Kids Songs Bloggy

I remember Roy Rodgers singing it as a kid. By the way, I had the Roy Rodgers pedal Jeep,,,complete with roll hoop! Nellie Bell…Oh yeah!

472 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:32:27am

Freight train hits vehicle on Western Highway in West Nyack

WEST NYACK — A train carrying flammable liquids hit a car on Western Highway on Friday morning and reportedly both burst into flames, bringing a cadre of emergency responders.

Initial reports are that each tank contains less than 500 gallons of crude oil, Clarkstown police said.

The truck’s cab was smashed against the lead locomotive of Burlington Northern Santa Fe freight train. The train headed by two locomotives hauling tanker cars, heading north.

473 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:32:29am

LOL @ the World Cup draw. I don’t see the US getting out of this group:

474 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:34:02am

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

I maintain it was the dishonor of the men in that hall to have left. They should have fought and died. A bit chauvinistic of me, perhaps, but while I feel men should not oppress women, I do believe they ought to defend them.

“What is life without honor? Disgrace is worse than death!” - Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson

As a woman, I disagree. They couldn’t have known whether their involvement would precipitate a crisis or prevent death. There was no opportunity for them to prepare or coordinate an effort to stop that guy.

As much as all humans should try to protect each other and physically stronger people (usually men) are a good group to do that protecting, relegating women to the status of depending on men for protection denies them full personhood.

I’d also bet every one of those guys feels survivor’s guilt to this day. There is no need to add to it.

475 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:35:51am
476 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:37:00am

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

I maintain it was the dishonor of the men in that hall to have left. They should have fought and died. A bit chauvinistic of me, perhaps, but while I feel men should not oppress women, I do believe they ought to defend them.

“What is life without honor? Disgrace is worse than death!” - Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson

Any human inclined should have tried to stop the murderer. A freakin’ dog would have.

477 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:37:38am

re: #468 ericblair

If you’re going on sidestreets, just stick it in second and forget it. It doesn’t do wonders for your clutch or your mileage, but you won’t spill your Slurpee.

Hmmm. Actually in a VW third gear is like all-purpose gear. I think you can go as low as 25 and as high as 90 in it, and still be in the engine’s rev band.

I know, I’ve merged onto the highway a few times in my bunny had to back off to fit in and then started to drive on down the road at 60 and then look down and go “duh”…and then sometimes I just go from 3rd to the 5th overdrive.

478 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:43:02am

re: #476 FemNaziBitch

>Any human inclined should have tried to stop the murderer. A freakin’ dog would have.

I’m a man, though, GGT, so I thought I ought not to speak for women. Please don’t take it as a sign of disrespect, it’s more “I’m not sure my insight is good enough to judge how it might be different for a woman.”

Unlike wingnuts, I do try to understand those are different from me. But I’m not always good at it.

479 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:44:27am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

I’m a man, though, GGT, so I thought I ought not to speak for women. Please don’t take it as a sign of disrespect, it’s more “I’m not sure my insight is good enough to judge how it might be different for a woman.”

Unlike wingnuts, I do try to understand those are different from me. But I’m not always good at it.

Try this. Everytime you think “man” or “woman”, say “human” instead.

480 ericblair  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:44:32am

re: #477 ObserverArt

Hmmm. Actually in a VW third gear is like all-purpose gear. I think you can go as low as 25 and as high as 90 in it, and still be in the engine’s rev band.

I think it was possible to start up in third on my old Civic, but it probably took six months off of the life of the clutch every time I tried.

481 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:44:58am

re: #463 lawhawk

Well, they’re doing a remake/reboot.

Which I’m sure will be missing all the cheesy goodness of the first one.

482 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:45:27am

re: #477 ObserverArt

Hmmm. Actually in a VW third gear is like all-purpose gear. I think you can go as low as 25 and as high as 90 in it, and still be in the engine’s rev band.

I know, I’ve merged onto the highway a few times in my bunny had to back off to fit in and then started to drive on down the road at 60 and then look down and go “duh”…and then sometimes I just go from 3rd to the 5th overdrive.

I learned to drive a stick in an Opal Kadet, and it was sort of the same thing. Used to do the 3 - 5 shift like that.

RBS

483 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:46:15am

re: #475 FemNaziBitch

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That’s one way to keep rabbits out of your garden. Some danger to it, though, since foxes are wild animals.

484 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:47:23am

re: #481 Feline Fearless Leader

Which I’m sure will be missing all the cheesy goodness of the first one.

And buried in the cheesy goodness was a cautionary tale of mega corporations that put their profits ahead of the common good; government failures; and technological terrors.

To say nothing of the 6000 SUX.

The remake already has a website up, and includes an ED-209 and some new toys. Because they’ve got the future under control.

485 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:50:20am

bbl

486 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:50:40am

re: #464 Lord of the Pies

Maybe I will watch them both back to back.

Spare yourself the misery. The original Robocop is worth watching, even if you don’t care for the genre, mainly because it has some cultural relevance. Secondarily because it was mostly filmed in Dallas, which is rare, and also kind of weird for those of us who live in and around there.

But I assert that all of the sequels and reboots and rehashes are not worth acknowledgement.

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:50:41am

re: #484 lawhawk

And buried in the cheesy goodness was a cautionary tale of mega corporations that put their profits ahead of the common good; government failures; and technological terrors.

To say nothing of the 6000 SUX.

The remake already has a website up, and includes an ED-209 and some new toys. Because they’ve got the future under control.

Also some very good satire/over the topness on commercials, television tropes (I’d pay a dollar for that!), corporate executives competing, and so forth. Plus, as mentioned in old threads, a very violent villain that could pass for an accountant.

488 calochortus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:50:49am

re: #485 FemNaziBitch

bbl

Me too. Must. Go. Do. Stuff.

489 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:52:51am

Uh, what about schools, roads, public transportation, police & fire departments, garbage collection, libraries, and all that stuff, Rand Paul?
HURR HURR PRIVATIZE ALL THAT SHIT!!11!!!1!

490 Whack-A-Mole  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:53:07am

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

lol I can’t even hear that song any more without thinking about someone’s ear being cut off.

491 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:53:52am

Here comes the snow. Looks like big deep blue color on the maps is near. Could be about 3-5 hours of snow. Maybe Columbus Schools got it right…no kiddies in buses around 3 PM when it looks to be the most snow coming down.

Wheeeeee!

492 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:53:54am

re: #484 lawhawk

And buried in the cheesy goodness was a cautionary tale of mega corporations that put their profits ahead of the common good; government failures; and technological terrors.

To say nothing of the 6000 SUX.

The remake already has a website up, and includes an ED-209 and some new toys. Because they’ve got the future under control.

A noteworthy dig from the ED-209 page:

Honoree, Baghdad’s “Bright Future’s Program”

And a shoutout:

Twin .50 cal. Cobra cannons

That refers to the Barrett .50 caliber rifle, which was the prop basis for the first Robocop movie’s “Cobra Assault Cannon”.

493 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:54:23am

re: #486 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

But I assert that all of the sequels and reboots and rehashes are not worth acknowledgement.

I got up and walked out of the theater during RoboCop 2. It’s the only film I’ve ever left and demanded a refund or admission to something else for. I think they let me see something else for free.

And speaking of sequels that aren’t worth acknowledgement, I fell asleep during the second Matrix film, during the rave scene. Missed the rest of the movie. I’ve never gone back to watch it and won’t bother with the third.

494 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:55:26am

re: #490 Whack-A-Mole

lol I can’t even hear that song any more without thinking abour someone’s ear being cut off.

I was wondering if someone would make the Reservoir Dogs reference.

495 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:56:36am

re: #416 Lord of the Pies

You know, as much as most of Shapiro’s tweets make me want to kick him in the nads, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt with this one. He is right, after all, that Mandela was a complex figure. I was thinking about him last night, and how he does and doesn’t compare to Gandhi and George Washington and the like.

If by “media hagiography”, he means comparisons to MLK and Gandhi, he’s right on a certain level, in that the ANC did not use passive resistance to white nationalist rule. Of course, George Washington didn’t use passive resistance either, and the government that George Washington was resisting was far less of a tyranny than white nationalist South Africa (hell, it could be argued that 18th century Great Britain was among the most liberal governments in the world at that time).

Of course, if by “media hagiography”, he means that the media isn’t constantly yelling COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE!, then Ben can go fuck himself.

Also, to the next winger who tweets a photo of Mandela and Castro, tweet back that photo of Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein.

496 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:56:38am

re: #442 FemNaziBitch

I’m going with the Bing Crosby for $.50, Alex.

Kinda what I found:

What’s the origin of the expression “Yippee Ki-Yay”?
The oldest reference to it, I know, is in the 1936 movie Rhythm on the Range starring Bing Crosby. Bing sings a song called “I’m an old cowhand (from the Rio Grande)”,

ask.com

497 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:57:49am
498 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:58:57am

re: #489 Lord of the Pies

Uh, what about schools, roads, public transportation, police & fire departments, garbage collection, libraries, and all that stuff, Rand Paul?
HURR HURR PRIVATIZE ALL THAT SHIT!!11!!!1!

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And what good does that do them, Aqua Buddha, when they’re not getting jack squat in pay to begin with? They already don’t pay income taxes and…oh right, you lot give them hell for being “freeloaders.” All that little tidbit of nothing really means is that the filthy rich get to keep even more of their money and expect the rest of us to pick up their part.

499 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:58:57am

re: #429 FemNaziBitch

What is the origin of “yippie kay -ayo”

Lone Ranger?

Cowboy range noises are variations on coyote imitations.

500 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 9:59:13am

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

I was wondering if someone would make the Reservoir Dogs reference.

NSFW, obvs:

Youtube Video

501 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:00:43am

re: #405 GeneJockey

That makes my ‘Arrived-late-for-a-final-in-a-class-I-didn’t-sign-up-for-but-can’t-drop-and-can’t-fake-and-must-ace-to-graduate-but-i’m-wearing-pajamas-but-wait-they’re-not-pajama-they’re-underwear-no,-wait-I’m-not-even-wearing-underwear-I’m-naked-and-nobody-has-noticed-yet-but-how-will-I-get-back-to-the-dorm?’ dream seem like a walk in the park.

I get that damned dream all the bloody time.

502 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:01:44am

And it only took 11 straight losses for them to pull the trigger:

503 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:02:29am

BUT KEEP ALL TEH CORPORATE WELFARE & CRONY CAPITALISM THAT I LIKE!!!!11!!

504 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:03:07am

“The problem with quotes on the internet is that you never know if they’re true.” -Abraham Lincoln

505 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:03:37am

re: #497 Lord of the Pies

Private schools, turnpikes, no public transport (use a taxi), and everything else is private as well in that you pay for the service in advance, and too bad if you don’t.*

* - Which, of course, ignores all the hazards of not having police and fire as public services. Such as an uncovered building burning and catching other buildings on fire. You’d be better off putting out the first building on fire rather than waiting for it to spread before acting.

506 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:03:38am

re: #497 Lord of the Pies

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It still boggles the mind sometimes how people never notice that the GOP sells two entirely different and contradictory talking points, the first being “The economy works better when everybody keeps more of their money,” and the second being “47% of America is paying no taxes!”

507 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:04:15am

re: #421 Lord of the Pies

Also I take Ambien. It’s supposed to give you vivid, scary dreams but I think that I just dream about stuff I did during the day.

Boring.

I have incredibly vivid, complicated, entertaining dreams whenever I go beyond the 22 hour point my meds last. (They’re supposed to last 24 hours)

508 Whack-A-Mole  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:04:52am

cre: #502 Lidane

I wish the Packers would do it with their DC.

509 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:05:02am

re: #473 Lidane

LOL @ the World Cup draw. I don’t see the US getting out of this group:

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Too bad it’s not a Women’s World Cup, we’d kick their asses.

510 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:05:13am

re: #497 Lord of the Pies

$1.3 billion to enrich the Bridge Troll and others who have swooped in to buy up properties awaiting whatever government largess comes flowing their way. But in the meantime they’ll sit on their hands and let their properties decline.

“Economic freedom zone” means essentially a ramped up economic development zone credit, where there’s lower tax rates, subsidies, etc., to encourage businesses to locate/relocate, and job incentives.

All of which Detroit is doing or has done in the past.

Empowerment Zone Tax Incentives
Industrial Facilities Tax Incentives
Neighborhood Enterprise Zone (NEZ) Tax Incentives
New Personal Property Tax Incentives
Obsolete Property Rehabilitation (OPRA) Tax Incentives
Renewal Community Tax Incentives
Detroit Renaissance Zone Tax Incentives

511 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:07:29am

re: #496 Eventual Carrion

Kinda what I found:

ask.com

I came across much the same…#471 above. Names the author of the original and some other singers.

512 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:07:55am

re: #510 lawhawk

$1.3 billion to enrich the Bridge Troll and others who have swooped in to buy up properties awaiting whatever government largess comes flowing their way. But in the meantime they’ll sit on their hands and let their properties decline.

“Economic freedom zone” means essentially a ramped up economic development zone credit, where there’s lower tax rates, subsidies, etc., to encourage businesses to locate/relocate, and job incentives.

All of which Detroit is doing or has done in the past.

I suspect that if you asked Sen Paul to spell out further details of his ideal “Economic Freedom Zone” you’ll get one of two responses:
1. He’d totally lock up since he is talking out his ass in platitudes.
2. Something going far further into “freedom” from wage controls, environmental regulations, and probably some sort of heavy-duty tort protection.

513 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:09:48am

re: #512 Feline Fearless Leader

I suspect that if you asked Sen Paul to spell out further details of his ideal “Economic Freedom Zone” you’ll get one of two responses:
1. He’d totally lock up since he is talking out his ass in platitudes.
2. Something going far further into “freedom” from wage controls, environmental regulations, and probably some sort of heavy-duty tort protection.

Rand Paul’s Plan (without the underpants):
1. NO MOAR TAXES!!!!111!!!!
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!!!

514 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:10:49am

re: #506 Targetpractice

It still boggles the mind sometimes how people never notice that the GOP sells two entirely different and contradictory talking points, the first being “The economy works better when everybody keeps more of their money,” and the second being “47% of America is paying no taxes!”

Just playing to the hate via two different approaches. “The government is taking too much of your money and giving you nothing back.” and “‘Other’ people are getting things for nothing.”

515 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:11:15am

re: #510 lawhawk

Oh, and his definition of corporate welfare differs from what most people would consider corporate welfare. Giving subsidies and tax breaks (like PILOTs) would be included in corporate welfare, shifting the tax burden on to individuals.

516 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:11:40am
517 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:12:45am

re: #512 Feline Fearless Leader

I suspect that if you asked Sen Paul to spell out further details of his ideal “Economic Freedom Zone” you’ll get one of two responses:
1. He’d totally lock up since he is talking out his ass in platitudes.
2. Something going far further into “freedom” from wage controls, environmental regulations, and probably some sort of heavy-duty tort protection.

How about the following as a reply: “Senator Paul, if you have a proposal, introduce the federal parts of it into the Senate as a bill. That is your job, after all.”

518 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:13:35am

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

How about the following as a reply: “Senator Paul, if you have a proposal, introduce the federal parts of it into the Senate as a bill. That is your job, after all.”

State’s rights. It’s Michigan’s (and Detroit’s) problem.

;p

519 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:14:56am

re: #518 Feline Fearless Leader

State’s rights. It’s Michigan’s (and Detroit’s) problem.

;p

That is, until the ravening horde of starving unemployed breaks loose and starts rampaging south into Indiana and threatens Kentucky.
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520 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #519 Feline Fearless Leader

That is, until the ravening horde of starving unemployed breaks loose and starts rampaging south into Indiana and threatens Kentucky.
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Most direct route into Kentucky from Detroit is I-75 to Cincinnati, then across the Ohio.

521 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:16:40am
522 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:18:40am

re: #516 Lord of the Pies

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Feel that liquid trickling down your leg?

523 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:18:45am
524 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:19:16am

re: #521 Lord of the Pies

Did you ask him how his maid, butler and housekeeper get to work?

I won’t address the literacy rate crack.

525 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:19:37am

Dumb shit egg with only 6 followers, BLOCKED.

526 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:19:44am

re: #523 Lord of the Pies

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WTF does that even mean?

527 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:19:54am

re: #521 Lord of the Pies

20% literacy rate? What total bullshit.

528 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:20:45am

re: #527 Lidane

20% literacy rate? What total bullshit.

Is this Rand Paul’s seekrit Twitter account?

529 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:21:08am

re: #518 Feline Fearless Leader

State’s rights. It’s Michigan’s (and Detroit’s) problem.

;p

Well, if he is proposing exceptions from federal taxes and regulations, that would require an Act of Congress.

More likely he’d rather not put his ideas on paper where they can be used against him by the Democrats.

Disclaimer: The above should not be read as saying the Democrats would be wrong in using his legislative proposals in fundraising materials and attack ads.

530 freetoken  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:22:07am

re: #444 Lidane

The fail is strong with this one:


Also, Joseph Farah and his ‘stache are flogging the Mandela wuz a commie terrorist! fail, too. (RWW link)

Since WND now acts as a front for the Stormfront crowd, I would expect them to lynch Mandela at any opportunity.

531 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:22:11am

Private Enterprise does everything better.

Just look at the work they did as security overseas and the private prison system.

Wait a second…

532 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:24:18am

Well, I know what I’m buying myself for Christmas:

amazon.com

533 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:24:48am

re: #526 Kragar

WTF does that even mean?

That’s a “I have mine, fuck the poor” crack along the lines of “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

No understanding that the lack of a social safety net and living with modern technology is going to give you something very unfree. Those that can afford it live in fortified enclaves. Those that don’t live in the equivalent of Somalia. Industry, agriculture, transportation etc. are a lot more inefficient due to the needs to *protect* it every step of the way. So your “taxes” aren’t paying to support and educate the poor, it’s paying for the police/paramilitary to protect you from them.

534 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:26:45am


Which makes Katie Couric’s nonsensical ravings on her show about the HPV vaccine all the more egregious. Her peddling of junk science is just as dangerous as that of Jenny McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers who undermine public health with their dangerously uninformed statements.

535 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:27:34am

re: #481 Feline Fearless Leader

Which I’m sure will be missing all the cheesy goodness of the first one.

“I’d buy THAT for a dollar!”

536 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:29:33am

re: #489 Lord of the Pies

Uh, what about schools, roads, public transportation, police & fire departments, garbage collection, libraries, and all that stuff, Rand Paul?
HURR HURR PRIVATIZE ALL THAT SHIT!!11!!!1!

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Cripes, Rand - they already have more money than anyone ever in the history of ever, and they’re paying less in taxes on it than they have for most of our lives, and you think the answer is to give them MORE MONEY?

537 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:29:43am

re: #531 Kragar

Why is it that you’ve got folks who were in the military complaining about how they were no longer doing certain kinds of logistics work, but given to private companies who paid workers 2-3+ times as much as the soldiers, and did a crapulent job at the same time?

Outsourcing jobs to the private sector isn’t a panacea or cost-saving measure that people make it out to be. While in theory competition should push cost savings, the reality is that companies will underbid on the job, and then demand more as the real costs become known (a huge issue with infrastructure projects).

538 Whack-A-Mole  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:30:22am

re: #534 lawhawk

It makes it worse because she has a bigger stage than McCarthy.

539 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:31:33am

re: #538 Whack-A-Mole

t makes it worse because she has a bigger stage that McCarthy.

Although McCarthy is now on The View.

540 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:32:33am
541 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:35:38am

re: #540 Kragar

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“Others argued that even the trees were a bad idea, and they should never have left the oceans.”

542 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:35:59am

It’s nice to se the French stepping up to the plate again. They’ve been doing it a lot recently.
France warns Africa it must ‘take charge of own security’ as troops enter CAR

French troops have killed several armed fighters as Paris rolls out a UN-backed operation to restore security

543 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:39:05am

re: #540 Kragar

Finally, some honesty from the loony right. They hate this country and its government, and some are finally willing to say so.

544 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:42:07am

re: #536 GeneJockey

Cripes, Rand - they already have more money than anyone ever in the history of ever, and they’re paying less in taxes on it than they have for most of our lives, and you think the answer is to give them MORE MONEY?

But it’s working so well now.

545 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:42:43am

re: #537 lawhawk

Why is it that you’ve got folks who were in the military complaining about how they were no longer doing certain kinds of logistics work, but given to private companies who paid workers 2-3+ times as much as the soldiers, and did a crapulent job at the same time?

Outsourcing jobs to the private sector isn’t a panacea or cost-saving measure that people make it out to be. While in theory competition should push cost savings, the reality is that companies will underbid on the job, and then demand more as the real costs become known (a huge issue with infrastructure projects).

Not to mention they’ve gotten good enough now that they don’t have to really bid anymore, just fatten the wallets/campaign funds of enough Congress critters on Capital Hill to influence to decision. What’s that, the bid from the small company out of Iowa is a better deal for the DoD, will provide a better product/service, and will cost far less than expected? Sorry, the other competitor’s got big influence on the Armed Services Committee and there’s a lot of brass who’ve been offered cushy post-retirement jobs in exchange for throwing their weight behind this bid.

546 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:44:06am

Haven’t read the Articles of Confederation in years, but if I recall they DID NOT include a right to bear arms……

oooopsie.

547 Mike Lamb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:44:28am

re: #466 Lord of the Pies

BRYAN U DUMBFUCK ALL THE BLOOD IS TESTED.

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That tweet caused me physical pain.

548 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:44:58am

re: #537 lawhawk

Why is it that you’ve got folks who were in the military complaining about how they were no longer doing certain kinds of logistics work, but given to private companies who paid workers 2-3+ times as much as the soldiers, and did a crapulent job at the same time?

Outsourcing jobs to the private sector isn’t a panacea or cost-saving measure that people make it out to be. While in theory competition should push cost savings, the reality is that companies will underbid on the job, and then demand more as the real costs become known (a huge issue with infrastructure projects).

I have never understood the worship of the Private Sector as the perfect provider of whatever is needed. In the Private Sector, the ‘providers’ are there to make money. Period. “Providing” is simply a means to that end, and the company which “provides” least for the greatest amount of money is the winner.

Take insurance, for example - the most successful company will be the one that skates closest to the edge of not paying out at all without quite going over into breaking the law, or paying out so little that nobody buys their insurance. The service they provide is a liability for the company, rather than their mission.

OTOH, in the public sector, the service provided IS the mission.

549 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:47:08am

re: #546 Dr. Matt

Haven’t read the Articles of Confederation in years, but if I recall they DID NOT include a right to bear arms……

oooopsie.

That would be because the Articles had nothing similar to the Bill of Rights that we taken for granted in this nation. The assumption was that they didn’t need to spell that stuff out, because the individual states would address it within their own governing documents. Not to mention that including such would have been contrary to the idea that this was a confederation of sovereign states.

550 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:48:24am
551 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:48:57am

re: #548 GeneJockey

I have never understood the worship of the Private Sector as the perfect provider of whatever is needed. In the Private Sector, the ‘providers’ are there to make money. Period. “Providing” is simply a means to that end, and the company which “provides” least for the greatest amount of money is the winner.

Take insurance, for example - the most successful company will be the one that skates closest to the edge of not paying out at all without quite going over into breaking the law, or paying out so little that nobody buys their insurance. The service they provide is a >liability for the company, rather than their >mission.

OTOH, in the public sector, the service provided IS the mission.

That was rather well put.

552 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:49:59am

re: #550 Kragar

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Fark’s headline for that said it best:

Rick Santorum wins the Most Absurd Political Metaphor, and the “Jesus, You Couldn’t Even Wait Till The Body was Cold?” Awards for his statement last night that equated his fight against Obamacare to Nelson Mandela’s struggle against Apartheid

553 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:50:49am

re: #548 GeneJockey

I have never understood the worship of the Private Sector as the perfect provider of whatever is needed. In the Private Sector, the ‘providers’ are there to make money. Period. “Providing” is simply a means to that end, and the company which “provides” least for the greatest amount of money is the winner.

Take insurance, for example - the most successful company will be the one that skates closest to the edge of not paying out at all without quite going over into breaking the law, or paying out so little that nobody buys their insurance. The service they provide is a >liability for the company, rather than their >mission.

OTOH, in the public sector, the service provided IS the mission.

I wish there was a way to easily tweet a comment like this.

554 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:50:59am

re: #550 Kragar

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Rick Santorum is good for the comedy. I honestly hope some out-there wingnut gets the nod for the GOP in 2016. The electoral drubbing they receive will be a wonder to behold.

555 sagehen  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:51:06am

re: #548 GeneJockey

I have never understood the worship of the Private Sector as the perfect provider of whatever is needed. In the Private Sector, the ‘providers’ are there to make money. Period. “Providing” is simply a means to that end, and the company which “provides” least for the greatest amount of money is the winner.

U.S. TO SELL OFF UNDERPERFORMING STATES

“The American people said in the last election they want us to cut costs and focus on needs,” Obama explained. “Looking at the list, it’s hard to argue we need these. The Dakotas? Mississippi? West Virginia? It’s a no-brainer. By which I do not mean West Virginia specifically.”

556 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:52:00am

re: #555 sagehen

U.S. TO SELL OFF UNDERPERFORMING STATES

Heh.

I would sell off the wingnuttier states to China.

557 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:52:00am

re: #555 sagehen

U.S. TO SELL OFF UNDERPERFORMING STATES

By that standard shouldn’t California be selling off the other 49?
///

558 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:52:34am

re: #557 Feline Fearless Leader

By that standard shouldn’t California be selling off the other 49?
///

Pretty much.

559 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:52:47am

re: #550 Kragar

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Because trying to prevent tens of millions of uninsured Americans from getting cheap affordable healthcare is just like trying to get freedom and equality under law for tens of millions of people.

560 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:52:49am

re: #556 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I would sell off the wingnuttier states to China.

Hmm, working out what China would do with South Carolina will be an interesting thought exercise.

561 Whack-A-Mole  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:53:08am

Ooooh! Then I could finally use all of those great curses I learned on Firefly!

562 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:53:13am

The President stayed with his uncle in MA for 3 weeks before going to law school. This tyrant must be removed from power!

/

563 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:53:36am

re: #559 GeneJockey

Because trying to prevent tens of millions of uninsured Americans from getting cheap affordable healthcare is just like trying to get freedom and equality under law for tens of millions of people.

I don’t recall Santorum spending 20+ years in prision yet either.
/

564 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:53:53am

re: #562 GlutenFreeJesus

The President stayed with his uncle in MA for 3 weeks before going to law school. This tyrant must be removed from power!

/

For some reason this has Oily Taintz going bonkers.

565 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:54:58am

re: #564 Dr. Matt

For some reason this has Oily Taintz going bonkers.

So do falling leaves in the fall.

566 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:55:15am

re: #564 Dr. Matt

For some reason this has Oily Taintz going bonkers.

It’s December 2013 and Obama is still POTUS. What other reason does she need?

567 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:56:01am

re: #563 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t recall Santorum spending 20+ years in prision yet either.
/

5 years under OBAMAO is wurst!!!!

/

568 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:56:11am

I’m reasonably sure I could track down and find Mike Nelson from MST3k if I could leave work right this minute.

569 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:56:36am

re: #553 b_sharp

I wish there was a way to easily tweet a comment like this.

That’s part of the problem. The truth doesn’t reduce to a soundbite or tweet, and it’s not simple. It’s not night and day, like “Government doesn’t create jobs!” or “The Private sector does everything better!”

570 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:05am

re: #566 Lidane

It’s December 2013 and Obama is still POTUS. What other reason does she need?

She’ll be able to declare “victory” January 2017.

571 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:20am

re: #568 Kragar

I’m reasonably sure I could track down and find Mike Nelson from MST3k if I could leave work right this minute.

That sounds kinda stalkerish….

572 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:21am

re: #562 GlutenFreeJesus

The President stayed with his uncle in MA for 3 weeks before going to law school. This tyrant must be removed from power!

/

Yeah, I’m hearing that one. It’s like every other time he’s caught in a “lie,” the birthers and the “I’m-just-asking-questions” crowd alike are all but screaming that this is somehow “proof” that he’s been lying about his origins since he started running for the presidency. The second group’s even more hilarious, as they’re trying to convince folks they’re not birthers while saying they “might have a point.”

573 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:36am

re: #564 Dr. Matt

For some reason this has Oily Taintz going bonkers.

His uncle was ruled to be in the US illegally in 1993, but this week he won an appeal and now gets to stay. The wingnuts are charging favoritism, but in this case it seems that what happened really was what was then-INS screwing up the man’s paperwork.

It’s telling how bureaucracy-hating wingnuts defend the bureaucrats if their action works to the detriment of a black man.

574 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:39am

re: #560 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, working out what China would do with South Carolina will be an interesting thought exercise.

Install a net under it to prevent people from killing themselves?

575 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:57:44am

re: #568 Kragar

I’m reasonably sure I could track down and find Mike Nelson from MST3k if I could leave work right this minute.

In the not too distant future?

//

576 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:58:28am

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

It’s telling how bureaucracy-hating wingnuts defend the bureaucrats if their action works to the detriment of a black man.

Which perfectly summarizes the GOP’s efforts for Voter ID.

577 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:59:01am

re: #571 GeneJockey

That sounds kinda stalkerish….

Just a fan, and my daughter wants to meet him once she learned he lived in San Diego.

578 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:00:13am

re: #570 Dr. Matt

She’ll be able to declare “victory” January 2017.

If it weren’t for the Tea Party and our gunz, Zero would have declared Martial Law and turned America a) into a Communist Dictatorship; b) into a Muslim Theocracy, and/or c) over to the UN to control!!!!!1!

579 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:00:41am

re: #562 GlutenFreeJesus

The President stayed with his uncle in MA for 3 weeks before going to law school. This tyrant must be removed from power!

/

With all the branches of the family tree on his father’s side, Barack Obama has at times in his life gone to meet some of the people he’s related to but didn’t get a chance to know. That’s not a scandal, it’s a man who didn’t really get to know his father seeking to learn more about where and who he came from.

580 b_sharp  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:01:23am

re: #569 GeneJockey

That’s part of the problem. The truth doesn’t reduce to a soundbite or tweet, and it’s not simple. It’s not night and day, like “Government doesn’t create jobs!” or “The Private sector does everything better!”

A quick way of tweeting a link to the comment or a pic of the comment would be useful. It takes 5 or more steps to do that now.

581 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:01:36am

re: #577 Kragar

Just a fan, and my daughter wants to meet him once she learned he lived in San Diego.

“I’m your biggest fan…” Isn’t that how those things start?
////

582 Mattand  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:01:44am

re: #534 lawhawk

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Which makes Katie Couric’s nonsensical ravings on her show about the HPV vaccine all the more egregious. Her peddling of junk science is just as dangerous as that of Jenny McCarthy and other anti-vaxxers who undermine public health with their dangerously uninformed statements.

Just heard that Couric went on the anti-vax bandwagon.

Swear to God, this country descends deeper into the Idiocracy mindset every fucking week.

583 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:01:51am

re: #554 Dr Lizardo

Rick Santorum is good for the comedy. I honestly hope some out-there wingnut gets the nod for the GOP in 2016. The electoral drubbing they receive will be a wonder to behold.

For sheer comedy, it’s going to be hard to top the Class of 2012.

Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry, Gingrich?

Wherever are they going to find FIVE candidates who can top that lineup?

584 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:04:44am

re: #563 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t recall Santorum spending 20+ years in prision yet either.
/

Yeah, but Obama didn’t give him what he wanted, so that’s pretty much the same thing.

585 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:05:44am

re: #582 Mattand

Just heard that Couric went on the anti-vax bandwagon.

Swear to God, this country descends deeper into the Idiocracy mindset every fucking week.

She hasn’t drunk the Kool-Aid so much as she threw the anti-vaxxers red meat for ratings (which is worse, morally). Think Ann Coulter, not Michele Bachmann.

586 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:06:39am

re: #583 BongCrodny

For sheer comedy, it’s going to be hard to top the Class of 2012.

Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Perry, Gingrich?

Wherever are they going to find FIVE candidates who can top that lineup?

Santorum will run again. He was the first runner up in the last GOP circus, so he’s the presumptive front runner. Throw in Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachmann and that’s five. Anyone else who runs will just be an added bonus to all the crazy.

587 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:07:41am

re: #586 Lidane

Santorum will run again. He was the first runner up in the last GOP circus, so he’s the presumptive front runner. Throw in Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and Michele Bachmann and that’s five. Anyone else who runs will just be an added bonus to all the crazy.

There are three reasons I hope Perry runs again.

588 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:09:53am

re: #554 Dr Lizardo

Rick Santorum is good for the comedy. I honestly hope some out-there wingnut gets the nod for the GOP in 2016. The electoral drubbing they receive will be a wonder to behold.

I always worry about the low probability event, the little thing that shifts public opinion just enough at just the right time.

For example, GWB was patently a doofus, and Gore had the highly successful Clinton Presidency on his side of the ledger. BUT lacking Clinton’s charisma and running AWAY FROM Clinton, he allowed himself to get down to nearly a tie with Bush. Then throw in the poorly designed ballot in Palm Beach County and you end up with eight thoroughly avoidable years of George W. Bush.

589 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:12:56am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Well, if he is proposing exceptions from federal taxes and regulations, that would require an Act of Congress.

More likely he’d rather not put his ideas on paper where they can be used against him by the Democrats.

Disclaimer: The above should not be read as saying the Democrats would be wrong in using his legislative proposals in fundraising materials and attack ads.

Write that up for him, he can copy it and use it.

/

590 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:17:09am

re: #536 GeneJockey

Cripes, Rand - they already have more money than anyone ever in the history of ever, and they’re paying less in taxes on it than they have for most of our lives, and you think the answer is to give them MORE MONEY?

That would be the political trickle down theory. The more money the 1% have, the larger the campaign donations/bribes/deals/payoffs/book deals/speaking engagements.

That’s all I have. It has to be in that realm of thinking somewhere.

591 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:26:18am

re: #550 Kragar

[ Kragar @Kragar_LGF

Rick Santorum compares himself to Mandela for fighting against the ACA rawstory.com#uniteblue
1:47 PM - 6 Dec 2013]

Groan. It’s gonna be a long three years.

592 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:27:06am

re: #590 ObserverArt

That would be the political trickle down theory. The more money the 1% have, the larger the campaign donations/bribes/deals/payoffs/book deals/speaking engagements.

That’s all I have. It has to be in that realm of thinking somewhere.

In the Conservative mind, the same level of taxation that was ‘driving an economic boom bigger than anything since WWII’* under Bush becomes confiscatory and crushing the most productive people in the economy under Obama.

The number and the reality doesn’t matter. Bush was Republican, so taxes must have been low and encouraging business; Obama’s a Democrat AND black, so taxes must be confiscatory.

593 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:27:16am

re: #563 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t recall Santorum spending 20+ years in prision yet either.
/

Well, one can only wish…

RBS

594 ObserverArt  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:30:24am

re: #563 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t recall Santorum spending 20+ years in prision yet either.
/

Well, he does seem to be in some kind of cocoon of stupidity or something.

595 chadu  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:02:26pm

re: #444 Lidane

The fail is strong with this one:

[Embedded content]


Also, Joseph Farah and his ‘stache are flogging the Mandela wuz a commie terrorist! fail, too. (RWW link)

WTFF?

596 chadu  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:03:11pm

re: #446 calochortus

Old cowboy songs? IIRC correctly, in addition to singing entertaining lines like “yippie kay-yo, yippie kay-ya”, they yodeled as well. Probably something to do with the wide open spaces and the company of too many bovines…

“Ghost Riders in the Sky”?

597 chadu  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:31:48pm

re: #540 Kragar

OFFS.


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