Wingnuts and South Africa - Jerry Falwell called Desmond Tutu a “phony” in 1985 (UPDATED)

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I mentioned in a comment to LGF Reader Randall Gross’ page on the religious right and Nelson Mandela that the late Jerry Falwell stuck his foot in his mouth big time back in 1985 when he urged Congress to block sanctions against the Apartheid regime and called Bishop Desmond Tutu a “phony.” I couldn’t find video of his comments, but this story from the Los Angeles Times archives sums up what happened very well.

Both Falwell and [Richard] Viguerie—who estimated that their lobbying drives could cost more than $1 million each—asserted that restricting U.S. economic ties to Pretoria would only backfire, hurting black workers most while destabilizing the South African government.

“We see it as a fight between communism and freedom,” Viguerie said in an interview. “The idea that this (sanctions) is about ending segregation is nonsense.”

Meanwhile, Falwell contended that Tutu, a black Anglican bishop at the center of the current South African campaign against apartheid, has been rejected as a spokesman by most blacks. Tutu—who won the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize for his nonviolent opposition to apartheid and white rule—has warned that a continuation of apartheid will lead to escalating violence.

“If Bishop Tutu maintains that he speaks for the black people of South Africa, he is a phony,” Falwell declared. He said that blacks he met during his trip urged more, rather than less, American economic involvement in their country.

More: Jerry Falwell and S. Africa - Los Angeles Times

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Falwell and Jesse Jackson debated apartheid on Nightline on September 4, 1985.

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52 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:09:41am
2 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:12:20am

re: #1 Kragar

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They’ll have to get the ‘Mandela was a Communist!’ crowd to shut up first.

3 Zamb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:13:32am

Some people on the right have a really weird idea of what freedom is

4 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:14:19am

re: #2 GeneJockey

They’ll have to get the ‘Mandela was a Communist!’ crowd to shut up first.

I predict they’ll be fine with claiming both.

5 dog philosopher  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:16:40am

yah some indiscreet persons in the workplace here mentioned this meme

as for me i am practicing my keeping my big mouth shut at work skills

6 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:17:10am

re: #2 GeneJockey

They’ll have to get the ‘Mandela was a Communist!’ crowd to shut up first.

“Have you forgotten Doublethink?”

7 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:17:22am
Falwell declared. He said that blacks he met during his trip urged more, rather than less, American economic involvement in their country.

What he left off of that statement was when the person also said, “which that white man over there said for me to say or he would shoot me in the head.”

8 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:17:43am

I’m waiting for Grover Norquist and Jeff Flake to say that they were never pro-apartheid. That should be a hoot.

9 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:17:46am

re: #4 Kragar

I predict they’ll be fine with claiming both.

Of course! Cognitive dissonance is for the weak.

10 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:19:23am

re: #7 Eventual Carrion

What he left off of that statement was when the person also said, “which that white man over there said for me to say or he would shoot me in the head.”

Which is the same kind of lack of understanding conservatives correctly called liberals on after liberals brought home warm-fuzzy stories of trips to communist countries. Which makes the EPIC FAIL even worse.

11 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:21:53am
12 GeneJockey  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:22:16am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Which is the same kind of lack of understanding conservatives correctly called liberals on after liberals brought home warm-fuzzy stories of trips to communist countries. Which makes the EPIC FAIL even worse.

Duke: “So, Peasant, how are things?”

Peasant: “I can’t complain.”

Duke: “That’s good to hear.”

Peasant: “It’s forbidden.

13 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:25:00am

re: #12 GeneJockey

Duke: “So, Peasant, how are things?”

Peasant: “I can’t complain.”

Duke: “That’s good to hear.”

Peasant: “It’s forbidden.

Guard: The peasants are revolting.

King: Tell me about it, they stink on ice!


[Thanks Mel]

14 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:26:20am

About that stolen radioactive material in Mexico:

15 blueraven  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:26:21am

Cue the wingnut freak-out now that it has been confirmed that the President and First Lady will be attending Mandela’s funeral.

Hell, Fox News was already stoked for the usual Obama Christmas story

“Christmas Vacation in Hawaii”!!! It will cost Zillions!!
why cant they just go to Florida like real muricans?

16 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:27:41am

re: #11 Kragar

DeLay, like the rest of the jabbering RWNJ dipshits, considers Mandela a genocidal communist terrorist.

I’m not surprised he’s on the wrong side of history. Again.

17 thecommodore  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:29:59am

I’ve updated the post to include a debate between Falwell and Jesse Jackson on apartheid.

18 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:30:00am

Falwell was a bigot. I’m glad that fucker’s dead.

19 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:32:01am

re: #16 Lidane

DeLay, like the rest of the jabbering RWNJ dipshits, considers Mandela a genocidal communist terrorist.

I’m not surprised he’s on the wrong side of history. Again.

I’ve heard at least one wingnut who’s started at that position and gone farther, saying that apartheid was going out anyway, so we shouldn’t praise a “murderer” like Mandela for something that was going to happen even without him.

It’s a transparent variation of the “slavery was on the way out” argument made by Neo-confederates.

20 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:32:41am

re: #14 Kragar

About that stolen radioactive material in Mexico:

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Reminds me of the Goiana Incident. en.wikipedia.org

21 thecommodore  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:34:29am

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22 thecommodore  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:36:43am

re: #18 darthstar

Falwell was a bigot. I’m glad that fucker’s dead.

No matter how repugnant the individual, I try my best not to express happiness over the death of anyone.

That said, while I’m not a religious person, I suspect that if Falwell’s corpse was placed in the casket face down, he’d be able to see where he’s going.

23 Snarknado!  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:36:52am

re: #14 Kragar

About that stolen radioactive material in Mexico:

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Poor guys. I don’t countenance theft/hijacking/robbery/whatever, but it’s not a capital crime, and certainly shouldn’t be punished with death by slow torture.

24 Kragar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:38:40am

re: #23 Snarknado!

Poor guys. I don’t countenance theft/hijacking/robbery/whatever, but it’s not a capital crime, and certainly shouldn’t be punished with death by slow torture.

No word yet if they were the robbers. What if they were just bystanders who got accidentally exposed at some point?

25 b.d.  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:40:25am

[future wingnut] IF MANDELA WERE ALIVE TODAY HE’D BE A REPUBLICAN!1!!! [/future wingnut]

26 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:41:53am
27 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:42:06am
28 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:44:03am

re: #24 Kragar

No word yet if they were the robbers. What if they were just bystanders who got accidentally exposed at some point?


Mexican family on medical watch over radioactive waste

[…]

The National Commission for Nuclear Safety and Safeguards (CNSNS) said a family found the open medical device and brought it inside their home. They were also near the radioactive source.

“We will have to keep this family under medical watch for the sole reason of being near a certain distance from the source,” CNSNS operations director Mardonio Jimenez told Milenio television, without specifying how many people were in the family.

[…]

They were exposed to the container, not the cobalt-60 itself. But they aren’t the ones in the hospital, I think….

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:44:33am
30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:44:37am

re: #21 thecommodore

Ironic ad placed between this post and the comment section:

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Sickening. That Google would take an ad featuring that piece crud Flaherty.

31 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:45:07am

Why is this rubbish on the Featured Pages list when it has over 10 downdings?

32 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:46:00am

re: #17 thecommodore

I’ve updated the post to include a debate between Falwell and Jesse Jackson on apartheid.

Republican National Committee Calls for Statute of Limitations on YT Videos.

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:46:44am

re: #31 Interesting Times

Why is this rubbish on the Featured Pages list when it has over 10 downdings?

Maybe because you haven’t reloaded the page yet?

34 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:49:40am


Pretty cool. Check it out…Bitcoin ain’t doing so well though.

35 Lidane  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:51:34am
36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:51:59am

re: #34 darthstar

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Pretty cool. Check it out…Bitcoin ain’t doing so well though.

That Tyrant Obama is having Wall Street undermine our Bitcoins!!1

37 Interesting Times  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:56:09am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Maybe because you haven’t reloaded the page yet?

First I reloaded the Featured Pages sidebar by clicking the title “Featured Pages”, but it remained. Now I’ve reloaded the entire page, but it’s still there. Maybe the auto-remove feature only works for the “Recent Pages” list?

38 darthstar  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:57:53am
39 Tigger2  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:59:37am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Maybe because you haven’t reloaded the page yet?

I can still see it too.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:02:32pm

re: #39 Tigger2

I can still see it too.

me three…

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:07:28pm
42 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:08:14pm

BBL

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:11:43pm
44 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:12:09pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lololol. Leave it to TV’s Frank to say it best.

45 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:13:30pm

re: #1 Kragar

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Not only that, wait for them to claim that only Republicans supported Mandela but TEH DEMOCRAPZ SUPPORTED APARTHEID!!!11!!!!

46 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:19:10pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

First I reloaded the Featured Pages sidebar by clicking the title “Featured Pages”, but it remained. Now I’ve reloaded the entire page, but it’s still there. Maybe the auto-remove feature only works for the “Recent Pages” list?

Ah, I see - it was in the Featured list. No more.

47 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:22:56pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

The new headline font in the Pages sidebar is icky—too light, not as easy to read as before. Just my $0.02.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:31:34pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

The new headline font in the Pages sidebar is icky—too light, not as easy to read as before. Just my $0.02.

The thinner green lettering for the pages reminds me of fresh dill for some reason.
O_o

49 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:51:52pm

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

The thinner green lettering for the pages reminds me of fresh dill for some reason.
O_o

Great, now I’m gonna see dill weed every time I look over there.

Thanks a lot, FFL. // ;)

50 Ace-o-aces  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:43:19pm

Falwell was a d-bag to be sure, but does anyone else feel nostalgic for a time when a news program consisted of two people having a civilized conversation about a single subject for an extended period of time?

51 okonkolo  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:01:48pm

On this topic T-N Coates has an excellent post titled Apartheid’s Useful Idiots. Falwell, WF Buckley, and a whole lot more:
theatlantic.com

52 [deleted]  Sun, Dec 8, 2013 8:30:46pm

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