Just Some More Overt Racism and Hate Speech at Breitbart "News"

Just Some More Overt Racism and Hate Speech at Breitbart “News”

The right wing base in all its glory

WingnutsDecember 2013 • Views: 42,282

At the far right propaganda site that Andrew Breitbart spawned, Ben “Friends of Hamas” Shapiro shares his special take on President Obama’s planned trip to South Africa: AFTER SNUBBING THATCHER FUNERAL, OBAMA AND MICHELLE TO VISIT SOUTH AFRICA FOR MANDELA!!!

I’ve lost track of how many times the Breitbrats have used this photo for their hit pieces; for some reason it really appeals to them:

Hilariously, Shapiro’s predictable slant that Obama “snubbed” Margaret Thatcher’s funeral is undercut by his own article:

The Sun reported, “[Downing] Street is most angered by rejections from Obama, First Lady Michelle and Vice-President Joe Biden. And none of the four surviving ex-US leaders - Jimmy Carter, George Bush Sr., Bill Clinton and George Bush Jr. - is coming either.”

Oh, you mean none of the last five presidents went to Thatcher’s funeral? But of course, it was Obama who SNUBBED, because he’s “arrogant.” You can tell from the photo. Is that an arrogant face or what?

Meanwhile, in the comment section, the right wing base is making things very clear again, in case you were tempted to believe they had some sort of respect for Nelson Mandela’s achievements:

Well Mandela was a communist afterall.

[…]

…as a fellow african the president needs to mourn with his people…

[…]

you’re right about him having to be with HIS people.He’ll always be more part of them than American anyway. he should stay there.

[…]

The whites there have to have an inordinate amount of security around their houses. When blacks do manage to get in, they now torture their victims for days before killing them. The black police usually do nothing. They have been known to wrap babies in newspaper and set them on fire, or drop them in boiling water.
I don’t see this making the news. Thank God they have an evacuation plan.

[…]

They are just as sick here…it must be in their DNA…

[…]

And Mandela became a “good” communist yesterday.

[…]

Maybe we’ll get lucky and their plane will fall out of the sky.

[…]

This is seriously the reason this ass has not been assassinated, nobody wants this guy to be martyred, I actually think the KKK would prevent any attempts on his life. Our luck will be the typical liberal assassin does it.

[…]

Seriously—we’re gonna say it cause we know everyone is thinking it—the reason they snubbed Thatcher is because she was conservative and white while Mandela was a communist and black (like BHO)

[…]

Isn’t this special?
White World leaders don’t receive any recognition from this administration.

How racist is that?
Oh well, I guess it’s just another example of affirmative action.

[…]

Lady Thatcher was a white European. Mr. Mandela was a REAL African. Is there any question which type of person Barry like more?

[…]

Mandala was a corrupt and amoral black racist.

[…]

THIS ARTICLE ALONE puts the LIE to the PR CLAIMING MANDELA an altruist instead of a communist genocidal freak who successfully shed his own reputation off onto Winnie, while ignoring all his own ACTIONS.

WHEN has the WORLD MEDIA so highly praised and EX-COMMUNIST, much less OBAMA.

As usual, when most of a Dictator’s GENOCIDAL VICTIMS are CHRISTIANS, whether Black or whatever - in this case as with Obama’s forefathers, PRIMARILY BLACK - it is highly irrelevant - like with CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, Syrian Al Qaeda cannibals…

[…]

And not a word from the MSM about “necklacing” torture… or machete hackings. Sorry Liberals but your Mandela is not your grand parent’s MLK.

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Obama should just stay over there and find him a little African country to run.

[…]

Where was Obama, blowing dogs at the bath houses?

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It’s no big deal. Just another dead communist.

[…]

Let this LIAR and fat so muchella STAY THERE…………..

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Would be the perfect time for the first cow to get that saucer fitted for that lip.

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Moochelle can be fitted for a lot of neck rings. It will help keep her nose in the air because she has such a big head

[…]

I agree that the saucer and rings would make her culturally compliant along with her other offensive attributes.

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The Obamas…back to their roots…the jungles & trees of Africa.

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If they don’t want o be associated with jungles and trees then they shouldn’t claim t be “African” Americans.

That’s just from the first few pages of comments, and this stuff is by no means unique to breitbart.com; you’ll find similar deranged rants and overt racism at nearly every right wing website today.

(But remember, there’s no such thing as right wing racism.)

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366 comments

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:25:43pm

Everybody should just quit comparing Mandela to anybody else. There probably isn’t a better example of an ‘incomparable’ human.

And there is certainly no shame in Mandela having been a communist or the fact that he worked with communists. The shame goes to all those political entities and factions that were on the wrong side.

Lord of the Pies Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:27:41pm

If you go to the page you will see something like this:

This comment is awaiting moderation. Show comment.
This comment is awaiting moderation.

So that means all the comments you see here were approved by the moderators!

smh

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:27:45pm

I’m supposed to be shocked and/or outraged that he skipped Maggie’s funeral and is attending Mandela’s?

Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:27:56pm

Just another day wasting away again in ~~Margaritaville~~ Wingnuttia.

Tigger2 Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:28:03pm

Wingnuts hate anyone that’s not a fellow wingnut.

Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:33:46pm

re: #5 Tigger2

Wingnuts hate anyone that’s not a fellow wingnut.

They also hate wingnuts that don’t follow the script. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Cornyn each got hammered on their Facebook pages for praising Mandela, and they’re not the only ones:

Cruz: facebook.com

Rubio: facebook.com

Cornyn: facebook.com

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:36:57pm

as noted before, it seems pretty clear that RW blogs/sites are designed, in part, to be bastions for racist readers; http://t.co/lS40HI931a
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) December 6, 2013

Yup.

Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:37:06pm

The State Department has released a video:
“His Day is Done”: Video message delivered by Dr. Maya Angelou on behalf of the American people in memory of Nelson Mandela.

Youtube Video

Egregious Philbin Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:38:01pm

“they are the people of the land, the common clave…….you know…morons!”

The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:39:14pm

OT, but a Muslimah her in OKC has caught my interest. Needs advice, especially from Mrs. Curious.

Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:39:41pm

The whites there have to have an inordinate amount of security around their houses.
-delusional racist argle bargle snipped-

I don’t see this making the news.

Maybe because it’s not happening?

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:40:18pm

re: #9 Egregious Philbin

“they are the people of the land, the common clave…….you know…morons!”

personally i am more the common timbales type

Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:40:44pm

re: #9 Egregious Philbin

“they are the people of the land, the common clave…….you know…morons!”

Youtube Video

Tigger2 Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:41:05pm

re: #6 Lidane

They also hate wingnuts that don’t follow the script. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Cornyn each got hammered on their Facebook pages for praising Mandela, and they’re not the only ones:

Cruz: facebook.com

Rubio: facebook.com

Cornyn: facebook.com

I knew about Cruz, I went and read his FB page earlier. Got a big laugh out of it.

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:42:26pm

I don’t see this making the news

somebody just told me about another item that, inexplicably, ‘didn’t make the news’ either - the discovery of the ark of the covenant

what? - you don’t believe it???

Kragar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:43:03pm

Clave?

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:43:42pm

Liberal blog attacks conservative blog's commenters. http://t.co/TAK7kY288Y
— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) December 6, 2013

iossarian Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:44:00pm

re: #16 Kragar

Clave?

Chinese White Castle.

*ducks, luns*

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:44:17pm

re: #16 Kragar

Clave?

doesn’t it describe in genesis how god made man by baking clay in an autoclave?

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:44:48pm

I wondered when the wingnuts would find a way to slam Mandela and tie Obama to him somehow.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:44:49pm

That’s Mediaite’s Noah Rothman.

iossarian Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:44:55pm

re: #19 dog philosopher

doesn’t it describe in genesis how god made man by baking clay in an autoclave?

See, that was much funnier than mine, and also avoided racism.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:45:54pm

.@NoahCRothman Yes, indeed - I'm “attacking” them by quoting their own words verbatim. lol
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 6, 2013

b.d. Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:45:57pm

Don’t dare call them racists

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:46:17pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

That’s Mediaite’s Noah Rothman.

As in the dumbass who was flipping his wig the other day over the interview the President gave, pairing it with a picture of a column of retreating Nazi soldiers?

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:46:35pm

re: #24 b.d.

Don’t dare call them racists

Because then you’re the “real” racist!

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:46:46pm

The Obamas…back to their roots…the jungles & trees of Africa.

Remember, conservatives are not racist….it’s the libruls.

iossarian Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:46:49pm

From the “occasional LGF poetry” archive, I bring you: “Mandela”

Mandela was a communist
Just like that other black guy, Martin Luther King Jr.
Who did not live to see 95

erik_t Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:46:58pm

I verbally attack vile racists at every opportunity. I’m proud of that.

I’m sorry that breaks the left-attacks-right right-attacks-left delicious juicy dudebro middle narrative.

erik_t Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:48:57pm

I won’t really self-examine my actions and motives until I’m chastised by Buzzfeed.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:49:47pm

@NoahCRothman @EricBoehlert So your defense is that right wing comments are just as bad at Mediaite? lol
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 6, 2013

Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:51:07pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Dear Noah,

Since you’re most likely reading this thread, this is for you:

Image: biggirl.jpg

Pointing out the virulent racism and white supremacist bullshit being spewed by Breitbart’s commenters isn’t an attack. Grow a spine already.

No love,
Me

erik_t Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:51:22pm

I fail to see the point he’s attempting to make. It’s better to ignore racism, because telling racists that they are racist hurts their fee-fees?

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:53:15pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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And noted above, Breitbart is indeed moderating its comment section, which means that this noxious shit is on their site with their approval. So they are being policed, but like apartheid-era South Africa, it’s actually being done with their approval.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:54:40pm

@NoahCRothman @EricBoehlert Right. And posting articles comparing Obama's ACA to the battle of Stalingrad has nothing to do with it.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 6, 2013

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:54:45pm

It’s only a matter of time before Noah Rothman claims:

A. Both sides do it
B. They are librul plants
C. Libruls are the biggest racists
D. Lincoln was a Republican, yadda, yadda, yadda,

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:55:57pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

It’s only a matter of time before Noah Rothman claims:

A. Both sides do it
B. They are librul plants
C. Libruls are the biggest racists
D. Lincoln was a Republican, yadda, yadda, yadda,

He already went to A.

Now he’s pretending he doesn’t encourage it.

Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:57:04pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

I don’t see this making the news

somebody just told me about another item that, inexplicably, ‘didn’t make the news’ either - the discovery of the ark of the covenant

what? - you don’t believe it???

It’s True!
Indiana Jones…and there were Nazis!!!!11!!!!
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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:58:13pm

re: #18 iossarian

Chinese White Castle.

*ducks, luns*

only at 3 am…

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:58:32pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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“Liberal blog”?

Then again, this is what happens when the John Birch Society and sites like VDARE are considered the “base” of the US conservative movement nowadays.

Eventual Carrion Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:58:37pm

re: #16 Kragar

Clave?

Needs more cowbell

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:59:07pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

He already went to A.

Now he’s pretending he doesn’t encourage it.

Nah, he seems to be more going the “No amount of moderation will stop it” route there, which personally just seems lazy to me. And it also brings on questions that I’m sure he doesn’t want to tackle, like “What is it about Breitbart that attracts so many racist assholes?”

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:59:55pm

re: #16 Kragar

Clave?

Perhaps it’s short for Klaven?

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:00:18pm

@NoahCRothman @EricBoehlert Who said “we?”
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 6, 2013

leftynyc Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:00:46pm

Had to take a break from all the right wing madness about Mr. Mandela. This is the funniest video I’ve seen in quite a while.

huffingtonpost.com

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:01:38pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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“What’s this ‘we’ business, kemosabe?”

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:03:26pm

Quite fitting for Noah Rothman

Near-perfect color too.

Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:04:06pm

re: #16 Kragar

Clave?

Might be a typo for Clavin. But you can’t be sure until it includes a reference to the ancient Babylonians.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:04:58pm

The excuse that blog and news site owners can't police hateful comments is just that: an excuse. It's pure BS.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 6, 2013

Interesting Times Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:05:42pm

I’ve lost track of how many times the Breitbrats have used this photo for their hit pieces; for some reason it really appeals to them

Ironic, when you consider one of the most popular captions for it is this:

Image: They-Mad-Oh-They-Mad-80939652983.jpeg

calochortus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:07:05pm

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

Might be a typo for Clavin. But you can’t be sure until it includes a reference to the ancient Babylonians.

How about a misunderstanding of, or typo for, clay. Like the clay we’re supposed to have been made from?

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:09:09pm

This is seriously the reason this ass has not been assassinated, nobody wants this guy to be martyred, I actually think the KKK would prevent any attempts on his life. Our luck will be the typical liberal assassin does it.

This is from a mind of a very sick, unstable, and vile “human”. How the hell did that comment get through moderation? Sick freaks.

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:09:11pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Nah, he seems to be more going the “No amount of moderation will stop it” route there, which personally just seems lazy to me. And it also brings on questions that I’m sure he doesn’t want to tackle, like “What is it about Breitbart that attracts so many racist assholes?”

CNN has had to shut down EVERY commentary section of the articles they’ve written on Mandela because openly violent white nationalist posts have swarmed their comments — keeping a lid on the bigotry is a pretty thankless job. Then again, with the Brietbart comments, the ones they appear to be moderating are those who are condemning the racists, so on the face of things they appear to be actually encouraging them.

Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:09:25pm

I hear sleet hitting the house.
It’s louder than the teevee…

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:09:28pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

The excuse that blog and news site owners can’t police hateful comments is just that: an excuse. It’s pure BS

the blog is the superego and the comments are the id

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:10:58pm

re: #51 calochortus

How about a misunderstanding of, or typo for, clay. Like the clay we’re supposed to have been made from?

we are sworn unto death to exploit every typo to the greatest extent possible no matter what the cost or damage

AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:11:56pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

DECENCY R HARD

The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:14:43pm

Why would Breitbart moderate racist comments when the article is built to facilitate them?

I mean, the whole point of the article is that Obama “snubbed” a European conservative but will attend the funeral of an African “communist.”

It’s the moon pushing and pulling the tides.

Petero1818 Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:15:28pm

re: #6 Lidane

They also hate wingnuts that don’t follow the script. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Cornyn each got hammered on their Facebook pages for praising Mandela, and they’re not the only ones:

Cruz: facebook.com

Rubio: facebook.com

Cornyn: facebook.com

RINOS///

b.d. Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:15:39pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hear sleet hitting the house.
It’s louder than the teevee…

TURN UP THE TEEVEE, PROBLEM SOLVED

AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:16:01pm

re: #53 RadicalModerate

CNN has had to shut down EVERY commentary section of the articles they’ve written on Mandela because of openly violent white nationalist posts have swarmed their comments — keeping a lid on the bigotry is a pretty thankless job. Then again, with the Brietbart comments, the ones they appear to be moderating are those who are condemning the racists, so on the face of things they appear to be actually encouraging them.

Red meat for the people who pay the bills.

The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:17:54pm

Also, I think I lost my phone somewhere.

And it is on silent. :/

dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:18:18pm

am i imagining things or didn’t the fox ‘news’ site useta have comments?

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:18:41pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hear sleet hitting the house.
It’s louder than the teevee…

Yeah, we got that all night last night here in the D/FW area. Right now temps are in the mid 20s and pretty much everything (roads, buildings, vehicles…you get the picture) is covered in about a 2-inch sheet of ice.

Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:19:16pm

re: #62 The War TARDIS

I have often wanted a code I could enter when I dialed my cell phone number that would turn the volume up all the way.

Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:19:27pm

re: #63 dog philosopher

am i imagining things or didn’t the fox ‘news’ site useta have comments?

Actually they stopped doing news and just wrote a expert system script that converted their comments into the stories.

And no one noticed.
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:19:32pm

re: #61 AlexRogan

Red meat for the people who pay the bills.

Dingdingding.

They CAN moderate the comments, but only if they ban nearly every frickin’ commenter they have.

jimmyvluv4u Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:19:56pm

re: #62 The War TARDIS

What kind of phone? If it’s Android, you can locate it with Google and have it ring at full blast, even if it’s on silent. Found my phone in the couch cushions a couple of times with it.

http://www.google.com/android/devicemanager

Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:20:41pm

re: #64 RadicalModerate

Yeah, we got that all night last night here in the D/FW area. Right now temps are in the mid 20s and pretty much everything (roads, buildings, vehicles…you get the picture) is covered in about a 2-inch sheet of ice.

Philly is not supposed to get the ugly weather until Sunday. Rain tonight, clear tomorrow, and then it gets ugly. I’m going to use the opportunity to finish up gift shopping and to stock up on important items like cat food and cat litter.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:21:09pm

re: #63 dog philosopher

am i imagining things or didn’t the fox ‘news’ site useta have comments?

Yes, they’ve turned them off. Possibly because they were embarrassed by the gigantic number of racists commenting there, but maybe not.

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:22:05pm

re: #63 dog philosopher

am i imagining things or didn’t the fox ‘news’ site useta have comments?

They still do - they just moved the link over to the left sidebar next to the articles (its right above the Twitter and Facebook icons). The have abandoned Disqus forums in favor of LiveFyre, though.

Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:22:31pm

re: #64 RadicalModerate

Are trees here are in some rather interesting shapes from the ice. None of the branches broke on my trees, but my neighbor wasn’t quite so lucky.

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:23:00pm

To judge from much of the media reaction, it appears that Mandela's greatest accomplishment was that he forgave white people.
— Charles Demers (@charliedemers) December 6, 2013

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:23:51pm

re: #72 Belafon

Are trees here are in some rather interesting shapes from the ice. None of the branches broke on my trees, but my neighbor wasn’t quite so lucky.

Lots of branches bent/broken here, not to mention power lines affected. Current estimate is about 200,000 people without power.

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:23:55pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Yes, they’ve turned them off. Possibly because they were embarrassed by the gigantic number of racists commenting there, but maybe not.

They probably wanted to be able to point to the comments on Leftie blogs as proof the bloggers are Bad People (an old Wingnut trick), but kept getting the finger pointed back at them for their atrocious commenters.

Turn off commenting, and you can point the finger with relative impunity.

darthstar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:24:08pm

One of my favorite artist compilations: Artists United Against Apartheid - Sun City (Official Video): http://t.co/mCFdvAhMlP
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) December 6, 2013

RadicalModerate Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:26:28pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Yes, they’ve turned them off. Possibly because they were embarrassed by the gigantic number of racists commenting there, but maybe not.

No, they’re on and active, at least for the Mandela funeral plans article. Over 2500 comments so far on this one, and it is exactly what you would expect from the FoxNews crowd.

foxnews.com

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:27:48pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

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Considering what those white people had done, not just to him, but to all nonwhites in South Africa for generations, that’s not to be sneezed at. Of course, changing an entire nation from a repressive, racist, minority ruled regime to a unified peaceful pluralistic one without bloody reprisals is a neat trick nobody else managed to do, possibly AT ALL, but definitely not in such a short period, and absolutely not after being a political prisoner for decades for opposing that repressive, racist, minority ruled regime.

moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:28:25pm

re: #50 Interesting Times

Ironic, when you consider one of the most popular captions for it is this:

Image: They-Mad-Oh-They-Mad-80939652983.jpeg

I was just going to post this picture! And they are mad.

Image: they-mad-they-stay-mad.jpg

Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:31:33pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

There is an underlying fear I think a lot of racists have is that if they let up, just a little, there will be retaliation for past actions. As in all things, they cannot think that anyone else might act differently than they do, and they believe that if they were being oppressed they would pull out their guns and shoot the person.

Kragar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:32:17pm

Bill O'Reilly calls Mandela a Commie. Rick Santorum compares apartheid to Obamacare. Sarah Palin thinks Mandela is a character in Lion King
— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) December 6, 2013

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:32:19pm

re: #76 darthstar

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There’s a welcome blast from the past. It even includes the whitest non-albino ever born: Joey Ramone.

darthstar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:32:40pm

Mmm….sushi

“Oh, God, I can smell it from here.” http://t.co/jlzrIRer8q pic.twitter.com/hOC9RAAXfx
— The Onion (@TheOnion) December 6, 2013

The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:33:52pm

re: #68 jimmyvluv4u

Dumb Phone. A Samsung Blue Slide out Phone.

Will be getting a Droid by the end of the year.

Did find it though. After a lot of searching.

darthstar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:33:54pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

There’s a welcome blast from the past. It even includes the whitest non-albino ever born: Joey Ramone.

And Lou Reed with his arm around John Oats…Bruce with no gray hair, Run DMC…Parliament…great line up. And a great song.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #77 RadicalModerate

No, they’re on and active, at least for the Mandela funeral plans article. Over 2500 comments so far on this one, and it is exactly what you would expect from the FoxNews crowd.

foxnews.com

Yes, I guess they still have them for some articles. This was on the first page of comments:

Most African Blacks are descendants of Cannibals and some exist today.. High probability that Mandela has eaten the flesh of another human being.

jimmyvluv4u Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:34:45pm

re: #84 The War TARDIS

Well, good luck with the hunt anyway :)

Egregious Philbin Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:35:47pm

I remember hearing Andrew Breitbart on the radio, the same day he died. I thought, damn, he sure is an angry man, that is no way to live.

Wasn’t surprised when he died, all that pissed off blood pressure, it does no one any good. Talk radio exists to make people mad at things they never would have been mad at, and they don’t realize they are being played, all to sell you gold or snapple or lifelock or whatever the hell else you don’t need to go with the anger you didn’t know you needed.

They are small people

lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:36:30pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Short of shutting it down? How about policing the comments and banning those who engage in racist, bigoted, and indecent postings? You know, moderated commenting system.

It works. They (and a lot of other comment sections) would benefit from it.

I would be retweeting this but for the fact that Twitter’s acting up here.

AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:36:33pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Yes, I guess they still have them for some articles. This was on the first page of comments:

Most African Blacks are descendants of Cannibals and some exist today.. High probability that Mandela has eaten the flesh of another human being.

WTFITS?!?

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:36:42pm

re: #80 Belafon

There is an underlying fear I think a lot of racists have is that if they let up, just a little, there will be retaliation for past actions. As in all things, they cannot think that anyone else might act differently than they do, and they believe that if they were being oppressed they would pull out their guns and shoot the person.

Logically, people who have that fear should embrace Mandela for showing it can be otherwise. But of course, logic is the furthest thing from their minds.

Kragar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:37:44pm

Any time you think racism is dead, read the comments section for Yahoo News.
— Trey (@treywafer) December 6, 2013

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:38:09pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Yes, I guess they still have them for some articles. This was on the first page of comments:

Most African Blacks are descendants of Cannibals and some exist today.. High probability that Mandela has eaten the flesh of another human being.

Lolwhut?

darthstar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:38:50pm

For the record, Nelson Mandela died a retired statesman. He changed the World. Paul Walker was in some bad movies and died in a fast car.
— Fishgrease (@Fishbooom) December 6, 2013

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:39:04pm

re: #92 Kragar

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Hey now, Rosa Parks ended racism!

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:39:32pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Short of shutting it down? How about policing the comments and banning those who engage in racist, bigoted, and indecent postings? You know, moderated commenting system.

It works. They (and a lot of other comment sections) would benefit from it.

I would be retweeting this but for the fact that Twitter’s acting up here.

That’s not short of shutting it down, that is shutting it down for many right wing sites.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:42:50pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Short of shutting it down? How about policing the comments and banning those who engage in racist, bigoted, and indecent postings? You know, moderated commenting system.

It works. They (and a lot of other comment sections) would benefit from it.

I would be retweeting this but for the fact that Twitter’s acting up here.

What I realized is that this is actually the business model for sites like Breitbart and Fox News. These are their readers and they know it. They occasionally do some timid moderation just to make it seem like they care, but in fact these are the people their sites are designed to appeal to.

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:52:58pm

More on-topic music.

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:00:11pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

There’s a welcome blast from the past. It even includes the whitest non-albino ever born: Joey Ramone.

Speaking of blasts from the past, The Best of Midnight Special 1973-1978. Each one is an hour long—grab ‘em while you can.

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Bulworth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:01:08pm

The only thing raceist about r website/comments are you people pointing out are raceism!!!11

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:02:24pm

re: #55 dog philosopher

the blog is the superego and the comments are the id

Breitbart is Morbius

Image: planet.jpg

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Bulworth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:02:42pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

High probability that Mandela has eaten the flesh of another human being.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate. Also, too, racism over and Frederick Douglass was a Repub. //

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erik_t Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:03:09pm

re: #102 Bulworth

High probability.

Confirmed. Fact.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:04:37pm

re: #92 Kragar

Any time you think racism is dead, read the comments section for Yahoo News.

Can we retweet all this crap to Chief Justice Roberts?

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:04:40pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

The movie that brought reggae to the world.

The Harder They Come.

Youtube Video

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GlutenFreeJesus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:05:37pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Short of shutting it down? How about policing the comments and banning those who engage in racist, bigoted, and indecent postings? You know, moderated commenting system.

It works. They (and a lot of other comment sections) would benefit from it.

I would be retweeting this but for the fact that Twitter’s acting up here.

Then they’d have no comments and the “moderators” would be out of work.

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Bulworth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:06:03pm

Let this LIAR and fat so muchella STAY THERE…………..

[…]

Would be the perfect time for the first cow to get that saucer fitted for that lip.

[…]

Moochelle can be fitted for a lot of neck rings. It will help keep her nose in the air because she has such a big head

Stay classy, conservatives

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b.d. Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:07:54pm

THE RACIST COMMENTS ARE FROM DIM LIBRUL PLANTS TRYING TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!!11!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:11:31pm

re: #108 b.d.

THE RACIST COMMENTS ARE FROM DIM LIBRUL PLANTS TRYING TO MAKE US LOOK BAD!!11!

If it weren’t for a false flag, we’d have no flag at all.

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:13:07pm

Who Are The Obamas Insulting By Attending Mandela’s Funeral?

I find it amusing that they latch onto Thatcher as the person worthy of reverence. Because fictional Thatcher is the distaff counterpart of fictional Reagan; a world-shaker as opposed to a rather pedestrian conservative with a talent for talking up how scary gays and people on the dole are.

As opposed to Mandela, who had an exceptional life and achieved the politics equivalent of a unicorn: a peaceful transition to a full democracy from an oppressive racial state.

And note that Thatcher and her fellow Tories not only publically condemned Mandela, but happily bought into the idea the the Afrikaaners had to stay in power, because Communism and the orgy of black retaliatory violence.

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Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:14:47pm

Well, most people still think it’s the season of hope, joy, and love.

Nothing gets you in the holiday spirit like a tree lighting in the pouring rain. Look at that happy crowd! pic.twitter.com/DTdnXqNuwE
— Julie Pace (@jpaceDC) December 6, 2013

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:15:34pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

The movie that brought reggae to the world.

The Harder They Come.

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Thanks. I’m trying really hard to avoid the racism that the internet is vomiting up today, but I’m not having much luck.

I guess it’s time to shut it down for a while. Over & out.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:15:45pm

re: #110 The Ghost of a Flea

The Thatcher puzzle was solved for me when I learned she had turned her Chemistry training to a job increasing the proportion of air in commercial ice cream.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:16:48pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

Thanks. I’m trying really hard to avoid the racism that the internet is vomiting up today, but I’m not having much luck.

I guess it’s time to shut it down for a while. Over & out.

Toughen up. You’d never get your hair done in Alabama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:18:16pm

re: #88 Egregious Philbin

I remember hearing Andrew Breitbart on the radio, the same day he died. I thought, damn, he sure is an angry man, that is no way to live.

Wasn’t surprised when he died, all that pissed off blood pressure, it does no one any good. Talk radio exists to make people mad at things they never would have been mad at, and they don’t realize they are being played, all to sell you gold or snapple or lifelock or whatever the hell else you don’t need to go with the anger you didn’t know you needed.

They are small people

They are people who scream loudly about personal responsibility, except for them. Everything bad or inconvenient that happens to them is always somebody else’s fault.

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:18:27pm

It’s very disturbing this pattern of racism that is widespread on mostly right wing and supposed MSM sites aren’t being discussed or denounced by media leaders.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:18:34pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Wow! Thanks!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:19:31pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

It’s very disturbing this pattern of racism that is widespread on mostly right wing and supposed MSM sites aren’t being discussed or denounced by media leaders.

Statistically, Fox is a media leader.

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:23:46pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

Thanks. I’m trying really hard to avoid the racism that the internet is vomiting up today, but I’m not having much luck.

I guess it’s time to shut it down for a while. Over & out.

Yeah…..the racism is sickening. But I say, let them shriek and squeal. Theirs is the past, the old world. They are dinosaurs, hopelessly obsolete and unwilling or incapable of adaptation to the realities of the world.

Let them talk themselves into oblivion - it is of no consequence to me. The world 100 years from now will be so unrecognizable it will be as though they’d never existed. They’re shouting into the wind - they’re trying to stop history, and in that endeavor, they will fail utterly.

The future does not belong to them. And they know it.

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:26:24pm

I’m making it a point NOT to hit any of the RW sites during this time. I already know exactly what they are saying, how they get into a feeding frenzy trying to out do each other. The end result is that I end up screaming “HOW CAN YOU BE SO F#ING STUPID” at the screen.

I get so incredibly pissed at this stupid BS. Yes, Mandela had the support of the communists. Know what… maybe if some of the western democracies had supported him he wouldn’t have had to get support from them.

My general calm doesn’t need that kind of aggravation, I know they are stupid, racist bigots. I also know that if I stick my hand in a pot of boiling water it will burn. I don’t need to do multiple reps to make sure it’s still hot.

Boiling water burns. RW Nut jobs are going to hate.

RBS

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blueraven Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:27:34pm

re: #77 RadicalModerate

No, they’re on and active, at least for the Mandela funeral plans article. Over 2500 comments so far on this one, and it is exactly what you would expect from the FoxNews crowd.

foxnews.com

prime

AFTBIRD 6 minutes ago
“Funeral plans set as South Africa, world mourn Nelson Mandela’s death”

And guess who decided to hop on the big jet and take a vacation there? Oh…and he’s taking the Queen Bee as well. All at your expense. Oh…and it’s summer down there…so tell US what your assness is also going to be doing?

WTF?

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erik_t Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:28:47pm

re: #121 blueraven

WTF?

OOGA BOOGA GOTTA SHOW ALL MAH PALS JUST HOW MEAN AND UGLY I THINK THE BLACKITY BLACK BLACK PERSON IS

It’s all posing. It’s all firmly-held personal truth, I think, but it’s also posing.

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Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:31:35pm

I’m very proud of the First Family.

PHOTO: President Obama & First Family light the National Christmas Tree in a rainy Washington, D.C. pic.twitter.com/nN1lNwjoK2
— NBC Nightly News (@nbcnightlynews) December 6, 2013

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:35:52pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

Yeah…..the racism is sickening. But I say, let them shriek and squeal. Theirs is the past, the old world. They are dinosaurs, hopelessly obsolete and unwilling or incapable of adaptation to the realities of the world.

Let them talk themselves into oblivion - it is of no consequence to me. The world 100 years from now will be so unrecognizable it will be as though they’d never existed. They’re shouting into the wind - they’re trying to stop history, and in that endeavor, they will fail utterly.

The future does not belong to them. And they know it.

Thank you for that—I needed to hear it today. {{{Dr Lizardo}}}

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Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:38:08pm

U.S. Stocks Halt Five-Day Slide After November Jobs Data

bloomberg.com

“U.S. stocks rose, halting a five-day slide for the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index, as investors weighed better-than-forecast jobs growth to gauge the strength of the economy and timing of Federal Reserve stimulus cuts. “

But my grandson is out of a job. He quit/was fired because of an abusive asst mgr. He had another job lined up, but they screwed up his paperwork, and they told him he had to “re-apply”. I just hope he has something by the first of the year or we’ll be in dire straits again. : (

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:38:59pm

Boy I could ruin with ease just about every party I go to this month with just some small talk.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:42:47pm

hmm well my buddy has sent me the link he promised to the video about the ‘discovery’ of the ark of the covenant

45 minute religious rant

i don’t have the time to watch any 45 minute video but i did check out the comment section a bit - you can entertain yourself with an entirely different species of weirdass comments there…

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:44:31pm

I may have missed it, but does anyone know the back story on the photo that Charles has on this main page, the one from Breitbarts main page? I’d love to know the context.

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EmmaAnne Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:48:59pm

re: #65 Belafon

I have often wanted a code I could enter when I dialed my cell phone number that would turn the volume up all the way.

My iPhone has this. You invoke “find my iPhone” on your computer and it chimes at you, even if it is on silent. Best thing since having cars turn off the headlights for you when you leave.

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:49:42pm

Well, looks like I got lucky and we dodged the worst of the bad weather. Looks like just some light freezing rain is all we’re going to get, and we’re coming out of the end of now. Judging from cars on the road however, you only have to go about 30 miles north of me into KY to get ugly.

RBS

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:50:49pm

re: #128 ObserverArt

I may have missed it, but does anyone know the back story on the photo that Charles has on this main page, the one from Breitbarts main page? I’d lone to know the context.

It’s originally from here: Telegraph Pictures of the Day: 26 May 2011

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Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:51:01pm

re: #129 EmmaAnne

Thanks. After I posted my comment, someone put up something about google having that feature on android devices. It even made my galaxy nexus tablet “ring” for me. Not exactly the same, because sometimes I can’t log in, but I would have someone elses phone to call through, but close enough.

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 2:58:37pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

It’s originally from here: Telegraph Pictures of the Day: 26 May 2011

Thanks Charles.

Still doesn’t really explain the look on their faces. It seems like faces that would come with something rather uncomfortable, or amusingly odd like a weird protester, someone running up to Queen’s car nude, or the London bobbies taking out a protester with a little too much force. The paper’s caption may not be the real story either. Oh well, may never know.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:00:35pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

It’s originally from here: Telegraph Pictures of the Day: 26 May 2011

from the caption about queen elizabeth arriving i take the emotion being expressed is ‘that is one fancy limousine!”

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:01:20pm

re: #130 RealityBasedSteve

Well, looks like I got lucky and we dodged the worst of the bad weather. Looks like just some light freezing rain is all we’re going to get, and we’re coming out of the end of now. Judging from cars on the road however, you only have to go about 30 miles north of me into KY to get ugly.

RBS

We just seem to be getting a steady snow, nothing real heavy here is Columbus. We did seem to dodge the ice…which was nice. Power on and rockin’ some YouTube BBC docs on the other machine.

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Whack-A-Mole Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:04:20pm

Speaking of phones, I’m looking at getting a new one soon. Has anyone heard anything good/bad about the Moto G?

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psddluva4evah Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:14:42pm

Hows this for irony? Mayor “Stop and Frisk” announces creation of The Nelson Mandela School for Social Justice

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:14:47pm

re: #134 dog philosopher

from the caption about queen elizabeth arriving i take the emotion being expressed is ‘that is one fancy limousine!”

the use of the picture by breitbart is instructive, since it was demonstrated in cinema long ago that you could use any reaction take and manipulate the audience to believe the reaction was to whatever you chose to make them believe it was

the same reaction take by an actor was cut to be shown after widely differing events. the audience percieved different emotions being expressed by the actor because of what had been shown just before

that’s why breitbart can show a picture of the obamas reacting to the queen’s limousine yet make their audience believe instead that they are showing disdain for maggie thatcher or whatever

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klys Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:14:50pm

re: #136 Whack-A-Mole

Speaking of phones, I’m looking at getting a new one soon. Has anyone heard anything good/bad about the Moto G?

Quick check shows some good reviews; I have the Droid MAXX (got last month) which I have been thrilled with. I really like Motorola’s take on how to not fuck up Android, and the battery life on mine has been spectacular.

Just my experience with a different Motorola phone, at least.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:20:17pm

re: #137 psddluva4evah

Hows this for irony? Mayor “Stop and Frisk” announces creation of The Nelson Mandela School for Social Justice

Irony is way too nice a word for what that is.

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The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:21:38pm

re: #139 klys

Can I see the pages for those phones?

I will be getting a phone in the upcoming weeks.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:22:23pm

Meep, meep!

BTW. George W. and Laura Bush will be joining the POTUS and the FLOTUS in South Africa. Might be going on AF1 along with the Clintons. George W. Bush did not attend Thatcher’s funeral. Just sayin’.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:22:46pm

[…]
“Nelson Mandela taught us to stand up for our rights, and perhaps just as importantly, he taught us the true meaning of forgiveness,” said Terry Audla, president of Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, in a Dec. 5 release. “His lessons on reconciliation have been an inspiration to Inuit during our own process of truth and reconciliation.”

[…]

Oh, look. A comments section with no racism or meanness.

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:23:50pm

South Carolina Sheriff Refuses To Lower Flag For Mandela

Clark wrote. “Nelson Mandela did great things for his country and was a brave man but he was not an AMERICAN!!! The flag should be lowered at our Embassy in S. Africa, but not here.”

Apparently unaware that it’s a rare honor, such as when it was done for Pope John Paul II’s passing.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:23:59pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Oh, look. A comments section with no racism or meanness.

Possibly the last remaining one.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:24:00pm

Pres. George W. Bush, Mrs. Bush accept Pres. Obama's invitation to travel to South Africa aboard Air Force One for Mandela services.
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) December 6, 2013

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:24:21pm

Also.

President Obama and former Presidents G.W. Bush and Clinton will attend Mandela memorial in S.Africa. http://t.co/5lm2tcGVl1
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) December 6, 2013

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:24:31pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Oh, look. A comments section with no racism or meanness.

Because racists and bigots don’t seem to be their targeted readership, unlike with Fox News and Breitbart.

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klys Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:25:23pm

re: #141 The War TARDIS

Can I see the pages for those phones?

I will be getting a phone in the upcoming weeks.

Here’s a quick review on the Moto G.

Here’s a review for the Droid MAXX.

Obviously things like budget and usage and whatnot matter in determining what you want to go for. My personal preference runs close to stock Android (I upgraded from a Galaxy Nexus) and I wanted battery life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:26:48pm

re: #130 RealityBasedSteve

Well, looks like I got lucky and we dodged the worst of the bad weather. Looks like just some light freezing rain is all we’re going to get, and we’re coming out of the end of now. Judging from cars on the road however, you only have to go about 30 miles north of me into KY to get ugly.

RBS

Hubs said it was snowing outside.
I let the dogs out, took one look and said “that ain’t snow…”
1/4-inch of accumulated sleet and it’s still falling…

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:27:18pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Possibly the last remaining one.

re: #148 AlexRogan

Because racists and bigots don’t seem to be their targeted readership, unlike with Fox News and Breitbart.

It’s way up there in the arctic circle. Too cold to keep a good hate going.

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:28:13pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Possibly the last remaining one.

I can’t help but read that in Sir David Attenborough’s voice.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:29:11pm

_{_{_{hi gus!}}}

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:29:34pm

re: #149 klys

Here’s a quick review on the Moto G.

Here’s a review for the Droid MAXX.

Obviously things like budget and usage and whatnot matter in determining what you want to go for. My personal preference runs close to stock Android (I upgraded from a Galaxy Nexus) and I wanted battery life.

I rather like my Galaxy S 4.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:30:32pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

_{_{_{hi gus!}}}

_{_{Hi wrenchwench!}}

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klys Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:31:51pm

re: #154 AlexRogan

I rather like my Galaxy S 4.

My dad has the S3 and likes it; Samsung is certainly making decent phones these days as well.

Like I said, a lot of it comes down to personal preference. My big things were wanting close to stock Android and battery life; the MAXX covered those for me.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:34:51pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Possibly the last remaining one.

The “Big Ice” website just couldn’t get off the ground.

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EmmaAnne Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:34:54pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Possibly the last remaining one.

Hey, we’re pretty snarky here, but not racist! :-)

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:35:06pm

re: #147 Gus

Also.

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Outrage!

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Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:35:46pm

Lindsey Graham's Tea Party challenger ready to refight “Lincoln's War” against “king” Obama http://t.co/vDZ9NXdKjF
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) December 6, 2013

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:37:20pm

Anyone following the pie fight between the centrist 3rd Way folks and the populist Liz Warren fans? Anything serious going on? It looks to me like business as usual but some people think it’s a big deal.

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freetoken Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:40:37pm

re: #160 Lidane

“I went to public school,” [Lee Bright] said, “and I was taught about the Civil War, and then I learned it was the War Between the States, and then I learned it was the War of Nullification, and then finally I learned out it was Lincoln’s War.”

Someone ought to point out that the official name was “War of the Rebellion”.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:40:41pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Anyone following the pie fight between the centrist 3rd Way folks and the populist Liz Warren fans? Anything serious going on? It looks to me like business as usual but some people think it’s a big deal.

That kind of blew over. Warren won’t run in 2016. 3rd Way sounds like a cult. Etc.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:41:08pm

The editorial that has ruffled feathers. Economic Populism Is a Dead End for Democrats

The de Blasio-Warren agenda won’t travel. Colorado is the real political harbinger.

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freetoken Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:41:32pm

re: #163 Gus

3rd Way sounds like a cult. Etc.

Amway… 3rd Way … what’s the difference?

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:42:25pm

pic.twitter.com/gwBDoXpmy3
— emilio porompompero (@PoromEmilio) December 6, 2013

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Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:42:39pm

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

Obama: “On behalf of Malia, Sasha, Marian, the First Lady…plus Bo & Sunny—I wish all of you a Merry Christmas & a joyful holiday season!”
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) December 6, 2013

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freetoken Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:42:57pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

GOREBULL WARMING!!

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:43:02pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hubs said it was snowing outside.
I let the dogs out, took one look and said “that ain’t snow…”
1/4-inch of accumulated sleet and it’s still falling…

Heh. I was taking a look at the Portland, OR Metro Area - where I used to live - and it looks like snow has pretty much paralyzed the region. As usual.

katu.com

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:44:27pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Anyone following the pie fight between the centrist 3rd Way folks and the populist Liz Warren fans? Anything serious going on? It looks to me like business as usual but some people think it’s a big deal.

Too busy setting up the next Dem electoral wins.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:44:51pm

re: #163 Gus

That kind of blew over. Warren won’t run in 2016. 3rd Way sounds like a cult. Etc.

It depends on how hard progressives push but I don’t think they can push the party over the edge like the Tea Party did. Candidates will pander to the populists for the primaries and then run to the center after the nomination. I don’t think progressives have enough influence to get a pure, far left true believer through the nomination process. The best they’ll probably get is someone who will briefly pander to them.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:45:11pm

re: #164 Killgore Trout

The editorial that has ruffled feathers. Economic Populism Is a Dead End for Democrats

Might work for some House candidates. Maybe some Senate candidates. Won’t work for presidential candidates. Otherwise I agree on a national level. People are making a mistake if they think that de Blasio style populism would work around the country. Economic populism however is nothing new in politics.

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:45:46pm

re: #167 Lidane

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Yea… but he said “MERRY” Christmas not “HOLY” Christmas. Just another shot in the war against Christmas…

I wish I was being snarky, but I’m willing to bet the RWNJs will find a way to twist this too.

RBS

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:46:35pm

Elizabeth Warren says she's not running for president in 2016: http://t.co/k8VGQJ3mVO
— POLITICO (@politico) December 5, 2013

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:48:48pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

It depends on how hard progressives push but I don’t think they can push the party over the edge like the Tea Party did. Candidates will pander to the populists for the primaries and then run to the center after the nomination. I don’t think progressives have enough influence to get a pure, far left true believer through the nomination process. The best they’ll probably get is someone who will briefly pander to them.

Of all the coalition groups, Labor Dems have made the least progress since the Lilly Ledbetter Act. The Big Tent has two years to fix that.

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Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:49:49pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I kind of like being briefly pandered to myself:
the ACA
the end of DADT
raise taxes on higher income
talk about income inequality and how to fix it (the only way he’ll get more done is for the Republicans to no longer control the House).

Get another president who panders like that and I won’t know what to think.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:51:27pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

It depends on how hard progressives push but I don’t think they can push the party over the edge like the Tea Party did. Candidates will pander to the populists for the primaries and then run to the center after the nomination. I don’t think progressives have enough influence to get a pure, far left true believer through the nomination process. The best they’ll probably get is someone who will briefly pander to them.

If we’re talking 2016 there’s a primary for that obviously. Let it run its course. The voters will decide. The DNC will do what it thinks is right. The president is already raising money for HRC.

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Belafon Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:51:39pm

re: #173 RealityBasedSteve

She said Merry Christmas and a joyful holiday season. Trying to appease everyone rather than acknowledging our Christian only heritage.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:52:11pm

re: #174 Gus

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No surprise. It’ll be interesting to see the Dem field of candidates. I can’t seem to muster much enthusiasm for Clinton or the other usual candidates. I’d like to see some fresh faces or at least some funny novelty candidates.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

No surprise. It’ll be interesting to see the Dem field of candidates. I can’t seem to muster much enthusiasm for Clinton or the other usual candidates. I’d like to see some fresh faces or at least some funny novelty candidates.

Mike Gravel and ol’ Dennis? :D

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:53:43pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

No surprise. It’ll be interesting to see the Dem field of candidates. I can’t seem to muster much enthusiasm for Clinton or the other usual candidates. I’d like to see some fresh faces or at least some funny novelty candidates.

Is Senator Franken funny enough for you? Franken/Warren 2020.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:54:36pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Is Senator Franken funny enough for you? Franken/Warren 2020.

Didn’t think about him. He’d be a fine candidate. Doubt he’d run.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:55:26pm

Hmm… Lime Ricki Swimwear follows you

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:57:01pm

re: #182 Gus

Didn’t think about him. He’d be a fine candidate. Doubt he’d run.

Progressive Trifecta: First Black/First Female/First Jewish or Hispanic.

Let no head go un’sploded.

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:57:23pm

He really needs to find someone with the last name Stein to run with him so we can have:

FRANKEN/STEIN 2016

Campaign slogan: It’s alive!

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:57:51pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

It depends on how hard progressives push but I don’t think they can push the party over the edge like the Tea Party did. Candidates will pander to the populists for the primaries and then run to the center after the nomination. I don’t think progressives have enough influence to get a pure, far left true believer through the nomination process. The best they’ll probably get is someone who will briefly pander to them.

from my point of view elizabeth warren isn’t any more ‘radical’ than teddy roosevelt, whose economic policies she seems intent on reviving

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:58:03pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

He really needs to find someone with the last name Stein to run with him so we can have:

FRANKEN/STEIN 2016

Campaign slogan: It’s alive!

Fate decrees it!!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:59:20pm

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

He really needs to find someone with the last name Stein to run with him so we can have:

FRANKEN/STEIN 2016

Campaign slogan: It’s alive!

Or “Furter”, for the Rocky Horror crowd.

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Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 3:59:50pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

If you want funny novelty candidates, look to the GOP. Their 2016 primaries promise to be a hoot.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:01:08pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Progressive Trifecta: First Black/First Female/First Jewish or Hispanic.

Let no head go un’sploded.

Weird maybe but I see them more like centrists.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:01:52pm

Tomorrow is December 7th.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:02:06pm

re: #189 Lidane

If you want funny novelty candidates, look to the GOP. Their 2016 primaries promise to be a hoot.

They are unhappy with their disastrous primary process. Reince should just hand them all a broken beer bottle and lock them a bar for the night.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:02:41pm

re: #189 Lidane

If you want funny novelty candidates, look to the GOP. Their 2016 primaries promise to be a hoot.

Oy. It’ll be the same thing. Maybe worse. I think their only hope might be Rubio.

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The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:03:29pm

re: #190 Gus

The only way the state of the US will improve is sliding way to the left.

Social Democrat speaking though. I tend to be very left wing. Buht just holding the same course will not improve anything. It will continue the slow bleed that the nation is undergoing.

The Golden Mean Fallacy in politics needs to die.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:03:37pm

Santorum. Oy. Not again.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:03:41pm

Warren 2020 And A Return To The Radical Left Wing Policies Of The Glass-Steagall Legislation!

All Power To The Revolutionary Vanguard Of A Somewhat More Restrictive Securities Trading Policy!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:03:43pm

re: #190 Gus

Weird maybe but I see them more like centrists.

Maybe looking from Berkeley, not from Birmingham.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:05:01pm

re: #194 The War TARDIS

The only way the state of the US will improve is sliding way to the left.

Social Democrat speaking though. I tend to be very left wing. Buht just holding the same course will not improve anything. It will continue the slow bleed that the nation is undergoing.

The Golden Mean Fallacy in politics needs to die.

I can respect that but that would lose my vote. Any candidate starts talking about nationalizing anything and I’m staying home.

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klys Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:05:47pm

re: #198 Gus

I can respect that but that would lose my vote. Any candidate starts talking about nationalizing anything and I’m staying home.

Like healthcare?

Just curious.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:05:55pm

Nationalization just being an example. Anyway, I like centrist policy.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:06:24pm

re: #199 klys

Like healthcare?

Just curious.

Was thinking about that. Maybe healthcare. Single payer.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:07:27pm

re: #200 Gus

Nationalization just being an example. Anyway, I like centrist policy.

I like the centrist policy that results when we push just hard enough from the left.

(Fingers his rusted McGovern button.)

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:07:43pm

Defense cuts. Saw this this morning.

Air Force’s new long-range bomber may cost $81 billion, 47% more than sticker price | http://t.co/uEJRkHj8Gn
— Bloomberg News (@BloombergNews) December 6, 2013

O_o

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The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:08:52pm

re: #199 klys

I was thinking things like the Utilities and Mass Transit. And keeping Emergency Response public as well. Also, follow the lead of the other Anglo-American Nations and have a state-owned broadcasting system.

There are simply some sectors that the Private Sector does worse than the Government. Those 2 are examples. There are a few others, but I am having a bit of a mental block at the moment.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:09:23pm

re: #194 The War TARDIS

The only way the state of the US will improve is sliding way to the left.

Social Democrat speaking though. I tend to be very left wing. Buht just holding the same course will not improve anything. It will continue the slow bleed that the nation is undergoing.

The Golden Mean Fallacy in politics needs to die.

we can compromise - if these revolutionary colonists stop their radical independence agitation, the crown will consider amending the more onerous provisions of the tax legislation

but who is going to pay for the french-indian war???

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The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:10:54pm

re: #203 Gus

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

If we gave the money that was just wasted on this ($26 billion) to NASA, they would likely have the money to do everything they could want.

I am really tired of the Military having this much bloat. It hurts the nation so many ways.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:11:23pm

re: #205 dog philosopher

we can compromise - if these revolutionary colonists stop their radical independence agitation, the crown will consider amending the more onerous provisions of the tax legislation

but who is going to pay for the french-indian war???

The Hurons will pay for it themselves. They’ll greet us with belts of wampum, and we’ll be back in Ft. Pitt by Thanksgiving.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:11:53pm

re: #180 Gus

Mike Gravel and ol’ Dennis? :D

lol. Gravel might run again, I think he’s young enough. He was a hoot.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:12:55pm

re: #205 dog philosopher

we can compromise - if these revolutionary colonists stop their radical independence agitation, the crown will consider amending the more onerous provisions of the tax legislation

but who is going to pay for the french-indian war???

Aren’t we still paying off the French-Indian war? //

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Mattand Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:13:45pm

re: #119 Dr Lizardo

Yeah…..the racism is sickening. But I say, let them shriek and squeal. Theirs is the past, the old world. They are dinosaurs, hopelessly obsolete and unwilling or incapable of adaptation to the realities of the world.

Let them talk themselves into oblivion - it is of no consequence to me. The world 100 years from now will be so unrecognizable it will be as though they’d never existed. They’re shouting into the wind - they’re trying to stop history, and in that endeavor, they will fail utterly.

The future does not belong to them. And they know it.

Unfortunately, there’s many people in my generation (Gen X) who are more than ready to take their place. The current crop may die off, but the mindset isn’t going anywhere.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:14:17pm

re: #189 Lidane

If you want funny novelty candidates, look to the GOP. Their 2016 primaries promise to be a hoot.

I think Rand Paul has a shot at the nomination. They have a lot of time to polish him up but I’m sure he alone will have plenty of entertainment value.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:14:46pm

re: #206 The War TARDIS

This is getting fucking rediculous.

If we gave the money that was just wasted on this ($26 billion) to NASA, they would likely have the money to do everything they could want.

I am really tired of the Military having this much bloat. It hurts the nation so many ways.

America is ready for WW3 ever since WW2. Revolving door of the Pentagon and contractors. The B-2 is almost ready to be moth balled which is a joke when you consider the longevity of the B-52. B-2 also started around $500 million per unit and ended up bloating to about $2 billion per unit.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:15:14pm

re: #209 Gus

Aren’t we still paying off the French-Indian war? //

There’s a lacrosse joke in there somewhere.

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:16:15pm

I would like to see Russ Feingold throw his hat in.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:16:38pm

re: #212 Gus

America is ready for WW3 ever since WW2. Revolving door of the Pentagon and contractors. The B-2 is almost ready to be moth balled which is a joke when you consider the longevity of the B-52. B-2 also started around $500 million per unit and ended up bloating to about $2 billion per unit.

To be fair, a lot of that is legislatively reduced numbers of birds sharing out the fixed development cost.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:17:30pm

re: #214 Amory Blaine

I would like to see Russ Feingold throw his hat in.

I would like to see Trump throw his thing in. Again.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:18:21pm

Mandela will never, ever be your minstrel. http://t.co/f6ip9sFa7N
— eclecticbrotha (@eclecticbrotha) December 7, 2013

SoundCloud

Dear revisionists, Mandela will never, ever be your minstrel. Over the next few days you will try so, so hard to make him something he was not, and you will fail. You will try to smooth him, to sandblast him, to take away his Malcolm X. You will try to hide his anger from view. Right now, you are anxiously pacing the corridors of your condos and country estates, looking for the right words, the right tributes, the right-wing tributes.

[…]

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:18:47pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

To be fair, a lot of that is legislatively reduced numbers of birds sharing out the fixed development cost.

Yeah. But we’ll look at the operational history of the B-2 some day and see that it was just used to knock out some electrical generation plants in Iraq and dropping a few bunker busters in Afghanistan. Yay team!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:20:30pm

re: #218 Gus

Yeah. But we’ll look at the operational history of the B-2 some day and see that it was just used to knock out some electrical generation plants in Iraq and dropping a few bunker busters in Afghanistan. Yay team!

Hyper-tech bombers don’t exist to drop bombs. They exist to scare the shit out of people who can’t afford them.

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:20:57pm

re: #203 Gus

Gotta love those free market Defense contractors. Such upstanding responsible corporations.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:20:57pm

Reminds me of the F-14. We went through so much trouble developing that plane and making it operational and for what? Now they’re all in a boneyard with parts being destroyed while they’re still operational in Iran. The Germans kept their F-4Gs operational right up to this year.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:21:20pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Hyper-tech bombers don’t exist to drop bombs. They exist to scare the shit out of people who can’t afford them.

I’d think ICBMs would already do that. :D

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:23:47pm

re: #222 Gus

I’d think ICBMs would already do that. :D

Haven’t demonstrated on CNN that we’ll use them.

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darthstar Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:23:54pm

@JasonFebery @Only4RM #Obamacare #Obamacare #Obamacare #Obamacare #Obamacare Suck it, Ron Johnson.
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) December 7, 2013

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:24:07pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Hyper-tech bombers don’t exist to drop bombs. They exist to scare the shit out of people who can’t afford them.

Exactly. That seems to be the US Defense way the last thirty years or more. Starwars, Shock ‘n’ Awe. Dazzle ‘em with the big tech toys.

Problem is, with all that money spent, we still have trouble with guerrilla tactics by locals and simple explosive devices like the Iraq/Afghan/Iran IED.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:24:56pm

re: #221 Gus

Reminds me of the F-14. We went through so much trouble developing that plane and making it operational and for what? Now they’re all in a boneyard with parts being destroyed while they’re still operational in Iran. The Germans kept their F-4Gs operational right up to this year.

B-36, B-47, B-58.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:25:24pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

Gotta love those free market Defense contractors. Such upstanding responsible corporations.

Remember that spy blimp in Afghanistan I was making fun out of last year was it? Gone. Thing cost several 100 million. Close to 250 million. We sold it back to the manufacturer for a couple of 100 thousand. The president of that company is a former USAF officer.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:27:03pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

B-36, B-47, B-58.

F-117 already. B-2 is next. Seriously?

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:28:39pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

B-36, B-47, B-58.

B-52s

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:29:18pm

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

B-52s

be sure to bring along your juke box money!

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:29:35pm

They cancelled the SR-71. Now they want the SR-72. Kaching! We’re still using the U-2.

By the mid-2020s, it is believed that foreign countries will produce and export advanced aerial technologies that could end up in battlespaces against the United States.

See. There it is.

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:30:04pm

Anyone remember the Chevy Chase, Gregory Hines and Sigourney Weaver…Deal of the Century?

It wasn’t great, but it did have some fun little pokes at the arms wheelers and dealers.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:30:32pm

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

B-52s

The first three went through their entire lifecycle w/o firing a shot in anger.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:30:53pm

The USA will develop the SR-72 in 10 years and the Chinese will copy it and build one in 2 weeks.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:31:44pm

Everything is worded for the future war that never was but someday will be against the Russians or the Chinese. Build fear. Sell products.

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b_sharp Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:31:52pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

B-36, B-47, B-58.

BINGO!!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:32:05pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

Anyone remember the Chevy Chase, Gregory Hines and Sigourney Weaver…Deal of the Century?

It wasn’t great, but it did have some fun little pokes at the arms wheelers and dealers.

I’d been working at ARDEC while it made the SGT York anti-aircraft system. Thought the movie was a documentary.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:32:41pm

China will build 2 quiet diesel electric subs and the USA freaks out. We then have to respond by building 30 million more ships. Just in case. //

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:33:09pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

I’d been working at ARDEC while it made the SGT York anti-aircraft system. Thought the movie was a documentary.

That’s a fun take.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:33:54pm

Iran will display 24 Miami Vice cigarette boats armed with AK-47 totting RG soldiers and we have to build 4 multi-billion dollar Zumwalt class destroyers. Just in case. //

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b.d. Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:35:44pm

Pffft long range bombers, we just need to hate people that are closer to us.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:36:15pm

re: #240 Gus

Iran will display 24 Miami Vice cigarette boats armed with AK-47 totting RG soldiers and we have to build 4 multi-billion dollar Zumwalt class destroyers. Just in case. //

Zumwalt class destroyers, other than 3, were cancelled. They actually have no or poor air defense capabilities. Remember that a UK ship was sunk by one old A-4 Skyhawk with and Exocet missile in the Falklands war.

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:37:52pm

re: #240 Gus

Iran will display 24 Miami Vice cigarette boats armed with AK-47 totting RG soldiers and we have to build 4 multi-billion dollar Zumwalt class destroyers. Just in case. //

I don’t know if it was the “Miami” in there or what but for some reason my mind read that as “Zimmerman class destroyers”.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:38:35pm

re: #241 b.d.

Pffft long range bombers, we just need to hate people that are closer to us.

You still want the special effects.

“If the pilot’s good, see, I mean if he’s reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low… oh you oughta see it sometime. It’s a sight. A big plane like a ‘52… varrrooom! Its jet exhaust… frying chickens in the barnyard! “

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:38:47pm

Holy shit. This kindergarten is across the street from the house where a family took in the damaged equipment that held the cobalt-60 from the truck stolen in Mexico.

More photos at this link.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:41:58pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

You still want the special effects.

“If the pilot’s good, see, I mean if he’s reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low… oh you oughta see it sometime. It’s a sight. A big plane like a ‘52… varrrooom! Its jet exhaust… frying chickens in the barnyard! “

B-52 is one scary ass not so fast plane. It’s the 8 engines, black smoke, mean looking nose area and the occasional negative angle of attack. The Russians are still flying those ancient Bears. Reading here. They have only 11 Blackjacks which is their B-1 copy. BEWARE OF RUSSIA! :D

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:42:54pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

The atomic energy agency said the cobalt has an activity of 3,000 curies

They just needed one more…..

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:43:23pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

You still want the special effects.

“If the pilot’s good, see, I mean if he’s reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low… oh you oughta see it sometime. It’s a sight. A big plane like a ‘52… varrrooom! Its jet exhaust… frying chickens in the barnyard! “

Youtube has it!

Youtube Video

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:43:48pm

A lot of what you are all commenting on has a lot to do with the thinking that a true federal, small, stripped down government would have nothing else to spend money on and maintain other than defense. That covers everyone from staunch conservative, to neocon to some libertarians…even some centrist Democrats. So, point being, it will always be hard to shake the defense budget.

I know what I am posting is a simplistic explanation, but it is really at the heart of a lot of the argument about what the Federal government is responsible for and what should all else be left for states.

So, with that thinking the money spent always seems to get excused as they see it as needed for defense and for a strong country, etc. I think it has been pushed for so long in this country the Defense contractors know they are covered, so they see room for profit and growth of the toys needed to “get the job done.”

In a way, they shock and awe and starwars the US populace too.

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blueraven Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:46:21pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

You still want the special effects.

“If the pilot’s good, see, I mean if he’s reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low… oh you oughta see it sometime. It’s a sight. A big plane like a ‘52… varrrooom! Its jet exhaust… frying chickens in the barnyard! “

Funny how quotes from Dr Strangelove are suddenly relevant again.

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:49:11pm

re: #250 blueraven

Strangelove is always relevant!

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:50:25pm

Youtube Video

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blueraven Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:52:37pm

re: #251 lawhawk

Strangelove is always relevant!

Duncan Hunter is helping spread the word to a new generation!

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:52:46pm

re: #249 ObserverArt

A lot of what you are all commenting on has a lot to do with the thinking that a true federal, small, stripped down government would have nothing else to spend money on and maintain other than defense. That covers everyone from staunch conservative, to neocon to some libertarians…even some centrist Democrats. So, point being, it will always be hard to shake the defense budget.

I know what I am posting is a simplistic explanation, but it is really at the heart of a lot of the argument about what the Federal government is responsible for and what should all else be left for states.

So, with that thinking the money spent always seems to get excused as they see it as needed for defense and for a strong country, etc. I think it has been pushed for so long in this country the Defense contractors know they are covered, so they see room for profit and growth of the toys needed to “get the job done.”

In a way, they shock and awe and starwars the US populace too.

We should rethink renaming the Department of Defense.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:54:57pm

See this graph.

Image: wa_japan_milexp_graph_new.gif

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klys Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:55:16pm

re: #254 Gus

We should rethink renaming the Department of >Defense.

If we renamed it to Department of Obamadrones, it’d be gone in an instant.

/////

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:56:06pm

They’ll just rename it the Freedom Department.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:56:07pm

re: #254 Gus

We should rethink renaming the Department of >Defense.

We did “War Department”. Could try “Department of Knock That Shit Off”

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:56:26pm

re: #256 klys

If we renamed it to Department of ~~Obamadrones~~ OBAMACAREDRONES, it’d be gone in an instant.

/////

FTFY

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:57:04pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

We did “War Department”. Could try “Department of Knock That Shit Off”

Department of World Domination maybe. //

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:57:19pm

re: #256 klys

If we renamed it to Department of Obamadrones, it’d be gone in an instant.

/////

Brilliant! How about just going with ObamaDefense.

And to Gus, how about the US Department of Excess?

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:57:44pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Brilliant! How about just going with ObamaDefense.

And to Gus, how about the US Department of Excess?

Department of Overkill

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blueraven Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:58:11pm

re: #255 Gus

See this graph.

Image: wa_japan_milexp_graph_new.gif

insanity

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:58:27pm

re: #260 Gus

Department of World Domination maybe. //

Pax Americana

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:58:34pm

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW THE CHINESE MIGHT DECIDE TO INVADE THE USA ANY MINUTE NOW!

CHIN-LEE!!!

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:59:20pm

re: #262 Gus

Department of Overkill

Excess Class of Destroyers

Overkill Class of Aircraft Carriers

: ) this is fun!

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:59:40pm

re: #254 Gus

We should rethink renaming the Department of >Defense.

Department of No Bid Contracts

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:00:33pm

re: #267 dog philosopher

Department of No Bid Contracts

Hey! We got two bids. One from Boeing and one from Lockheed. //

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:01:33pm

re: #266 ObserverArt

Excess Class of Destroyers

Overkill Class of Aircraft Carriers

: ) this is fun!

This is slightly old but it works.

Image: All-The-Worlds-Aircraft-Carriers.gif

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:01:48pm

Yep and the guys at the top just tag team in and out.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:02:15pm

re: #268 Gus

Hey! We got two bids. One from Boeing and one from Lockheed. //

Then it could be three bids.

wmswwp10.external.lmco.com

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:02:17pm

There are the programs that the military wants (its wishlist items).

There are the programs that Congress wants (because it means jobs for their districts)

The defense contractors know those two go hand in hand - so they develop weapons systems that get subcontracted out to every last district they possibly can - and if it’s important members (like members of the Armed Services Committee, Appropriations, or Foreign Policy, and you’ve got game).

Add to that the fact that members of Congress can and do transition between Congress and the lobbying industry and high ranking officers will transition to the defense contractor business, so they know the ropes and who to go to in order to get stuff done.

All of this contributes to so much bloat that it’s ungodly.

We get programs that we don’t need, or capabilities that get watered down with additional requirements so as to keep a program running despite no longer being relevant.

We get M1 tank upgrades/refurbs that Congress wants, but the Army doesn’t - because the Army wants a new tank. So, what’ll happen? We get both the new tank under development and the spending on the refurbishment.

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:02:43pm

Looks like we’re dangerously low on aircraft carriers.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:03:46pm

re: #273 Amory Blaine

Looks like we’re dangerously low on aircraft carriers.

YOU NEVER KNOW RUSSIA MIGHT DECIDE TO INVADE THE USA ANY MINUTE NOW!

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:03:49pm

re: #273 Amory Blaine

I’ll order some from Amazon. How many in the cart?

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:04:20pm

Tomorrow is December 7th.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:05:07pm

re: #276 Gus

Tomorrow is December 7th.

They should put all the carriers to sea.

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:05:24pm

re: #275 Amory Blaine

I’ll order some from Amazon. How many in the cart?

I think if you order 3 you get free two-day shipping. That’s a big savings.

RBS

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:05:31pm

re: #274 Gus

YOU NEVER KNOW RUSSIA MIGHT DECIDE TO INVADE THE USA ANY MINUTE NOW!

Nah. Sarah will hold ‘em of doncha know. Moose gun at the ready.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:05:45pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Pax Americana

i miss the pax cro-magnicana

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:07:57pm

re: #276 Gus

Tomorrow is December 7th.

Obama ignores Pearl Harbor. He hates our military and our country. Treason!!!! Thank GOD brave generals stopped the nuclear bombs he had set to go off.

Just trying to get in before the rush tomorrow.

RBS

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:08:57pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

B-36, B-47, B-58.

The B-58 Hustler had such a badass name…

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:09:26pm

re: #280 dog philosopher

i miss the pax cro-magnicana

Our department used to hold a Mr/Mrs Pleistocene competition. Buddy got busted because his winning atl-atl dart used hot-melt glue. He couldn’t convince the judges it was a sinew analogue.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:10:21pm

re: #282 AlexRogan

The B-58 Hustler had such a badass name…

Watched one break the sound barrier over Pittsburgh before that was ruled out. Two bangs.

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Amory Blaine Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:10:27pm

We could trade our aircraft carriers for supermax prisons.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:10:39pm

re: #282 AlexRogan

The B-58 Hustler had such a badass name…

Image: B-58s%20at%20tucson.jpg

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:12:33pm

B-58

1956-1970

14 years. Think about that.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:13:21pm

re: #287 Gus

B-58

1956-1970

14 years. Think about that.

B52, 1952-2040+.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:13:39pm

12 million a pop too. Quite the deal really.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:14:02pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

B52, 1952-2040+.

B-52

1952-2052 //

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:14:48pm

re: #290 Gus

B-52

1952-2052 //

Easily. Then they could go on Antiques Roadshow.

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:15:16pm

re: #253 blueraven

Duncan Hunter is helping spread the word to a new generation!

Duncan “Jack D. Ripper” Hunter, ladies and gentlemen.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:15:41pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Easily. Then they could go on Antiques Roadshow.

Turn them into motorhomes.

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:16:30pm

re: #269 Gus

The new Ford Class is running about $13 billion. The Navy figures that they’ll save money over buying a new Nimitz class because it’ll take fewer people to operate (and personnel costs are an area where the military can cut via technology).

But the Navy has 10 carriers, plus a bunch of Wasp-class amphibious assault ships that have a deck as long as most foreign carriers, and each of those ships has to be accompanied by a range of support ships (destroyers, cruisers, and subs, to provide escort duties). Carriers do, however, serve a humanitarian purpose after natural disasters - they can do airlift like nothing else - and that’s a plus side on that ledger. Allow older carriers to retire without replacement, and you’d still have blue water domination.

Going up-thread, one of the reasons that the F-14 was phased out was costs to maintain, and it was easier to expand the role of the F/A-18 (either the C/E, or the Super Hornet), than try to extend its life service. Now, the Navy is looking at the F-35 JSF as the successor, even though that bloated program is a mess - every service wanted its own variation, and own requirements, even though the mission profiles have significantly changed, and potential enemies with even close capabilities are nonexistent.

I get the idea of pushing new tech, but these are costs that the nation can’t afford - not when a comparable amount of money would go to building durable infrastructure that lasts another 100 years and improves economic efficiencies.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:16:35pm

F-111 was another waste. I mean. It served a purpose in R/D but still.

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:17:48pm

re: #286 Gus

Image: B-58s%20at%20tucson.jpg

My oldest brother was in the Air Force and he built a model of one of those and sent it to me. Had to be 1960/61. I think he was at Lackland AFB at the time.

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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:18:04pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Is Senator Franken funny enough for you? Franken/Warren 2020.

Fusion ticket. Franken/Stein 2016. Imagine Ben Stein in the VP debate!
;)

Slogan: Vote for the Monster you can Trust!

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:18:38pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

The B-52 - a plane whose original pilots’ great-great-grandkids will be flying.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:18:41pm

Here in White House Blue Room before Ronald Reagan sends 3 Presidents to Sadat funeral: #NARA pic.twitter.com/YS3VG7FOPp
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 7, 2013

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:18:52pm

re: #294 lawhawk

The new Ford Class is running about $13 billion. The Navy figures that they’ll save money over buying a new Nimitz class because it’ll take fewer people to operate (and personnel costs are an area where the military can cut via technology).

But the Navy has 10 carriers, plus a bunch of Wasp-class amphibious assault ships that have a deck as long as most foreign carriers, and each of those ships has to be accompanied by a range of support ships (destroyers, cruisers, and subs, to provide escort duties). Carriers do, however, serve a humanitarian purpose after natural disasters - they can do airlift like nothing else - and that’s a plus side on that ledger. Allow older carriers to retire without replacement, and you’d still have blue water domination.

Going up-thread, one of the reasons that the F-14 was phased out was costs to maintain, and it was easier to expand the role of the F/A-18 (either the C/E, or the Super Hornet), than try to extend its life service. Now, the Navy is looking at the F-35 JSF as the successor, even though that bloated program is a mess - every service wanted its own variation, and own requirements, even though the mission profiles have significantly changed, and potential enemies with even close capabilities are nonexistent.

I get the idea of pushing new tech, but these are costs that the nation can’t afford - not when a comparable amount of money would go to building durable infrastructure that lasts another 100 years and improves economic efficiencies.

Yeah, the F-14 phased out because of the F-18. Now the F-35 with the JSF program that started in 1996? Still in the works. Should have just gone with an advanced Super Hornet and advanced Harrier. What do I know.

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:20:24pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

First thought that popped into my head when I saw that pic… I heard Nixon saying “Hey Ronnie… pull my finger”

RBS

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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:22:39pm

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t know if it was the “Miami” in there or what but for some reason my mind read that as “Zimmerman class destroyers”.

But for a naval ship isn’t “standing your ground” bad?

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:24:57pm

re: #300 Gus

The Navy wanted Stealth, and that’s what the JSF offered.

The Harrier was also a high-cost to maintain aircraft, and while they managed to get the kinks figured out, it was still due to be retired at some point. The Navy wanted VSTOL capabilities, which is why the Marine Corps was getting a VSTOL version of the JSF.

The whole idea of the JSF was to save money by using common airframes and structures, but like with the original Bradley, everyone wanted to add their own stamp on it - adding capabilities, costs, and turned it into a bloated mess. It may end up being a fine aircraft, but it’s something that doesn’t justify the costs.

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:25:04pm

Thinking about brothers in the Air Force. My second oldest brother was a flight chief for some Phantom F4s out of Tucson.

That is a plane that had a long life. Many versions and retro fits, and sold to just about every ally we have. I think some are still flying aren’t there?

EDIT…just looked at Wiki. Says Germany just retired their last batch of Phantoms is 2013. First flight early ‘58. Long life.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:27:56pm

re: #303 lawhawk

The Navy wanted Stealth, and that’s what the JSF offered.

The Harrier was also a high-cost to maintain aircraft, and while they managed to get the kinks figured out, it was still due to be retired at some point. The Navy wanted VSTOL capabilities, which is why the Marine Corps was getting a VSTOL version of the JSF.

The whole idea of the JSF was to save money by using common airframes and structures, but like with the original Bradley, everyone wanted to add their own stamp on it - adding capabilities, costs, and turned it into a bloated mess. It may end up being a fine aircraft, but it’s something that doesn’t justify the costs.

I’m sure it’ll be a fine aircraft until you need an engine replacement option fast or when that one engine flames out, stall, or gets a bird strike.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:28:49pm

re: #301 RealityBasedSteve

First thought that popped into my head when I saw that pic… I heard Nixon saying “Hey Ronnie… pull my finger”

RBS

Ronnie: ‘I’m pulling my own finger, thank you.’

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:28:54pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thinking about brothers in the Air Force. My second oldest brother was a flight chief for some Phantom F4s out of Tucson.

That is a plane that had a long life. Many versions and retro fits, and sold to just about every ally we have. I think some are still flying aren’t there?

Greece and Iran are still operators. We have a couple of drone versions flying around for flight display. Germany ended this year.

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:28:57pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Our department used to hold a Mr/Mrs Pleistocene competition. Buddy got busted because his winning atl-atl dart used hot-melt glue. He couldn’t convince the judges it was a sinew analogue.

i think there’s an Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer sketch in there somewhere…

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:29:15pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thinking about brothers in the Air Force. My second oldest brother was a flight chief for some Phantom F4s out of Tucson.

That is a plane that had a long life. Many versions and retro fits, and sold to just about every ally we have. I think some are still flying aren’t there?

Syria shot down a Turkish one about a year ago.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:29:48pm

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Syria shot down a Turkish one about a year ago.

Wait, I meant Turkey not Greece. Let me check about Greece.

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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:31:22pm

Heh. My niece is posting pictures in FB from the beach in NC. 77F there today. Glad she is having fun since she’ll be joining the fun in the more frigid north in a week or so.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:31:44pm

Idris Elba pulls out of #Mandela screening q and a after his own father dies, just 24 hrs after comforting #madiba daughters at premiere
— Jon Sopel (@BBCJonSopel) December 7, 2013

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:32:02pm

re: #308 dog philosopher

Max Factor Ochre No. 1

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:32:50pm

Yeah, Greece is still flying some. So is South Korea.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:33:07pm

Use this.

Phantoms in non-U.S. service

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:33:32pm

Not sure of the accuracy.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:34:34pm

Not accurate because Germany ceased ops this year.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:35:19pm

re: #314 Gus

Yeah, Greece is still flying some. So is South Korea.

Seen South Korean F86s with Sidewinders on the wing pylons. Waste not, want not.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:38:44pm

re: #318 Decatur Deb

Seen South Korean F86s with Sidewinders on the wing pylons. Waste not, want not.

What year? That was one handsome aircraft. Ahead of its time.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:40:00pm

re: #319 Gus

What year? That was one handsome aircraft. Ahead of its time.

Around 1980. Wiki doesn’t have it.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:42:59pm

Um, wingnuts? Ever consider that Nelson Mandela might not have turned to communists like Fidel Castro if Reagan hadn't supported apartheid?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 7, 2013

“Ted Koppel said, ‘Well, now, the Communists…' Mandela said, ‘They were the only ones who helped us. Next question.’” http://t.co/yYS2hJgyO4

— John Edwin Mason (@johnedwinmason) December 7, 2013

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:44:37pm

If you’ve got a Netflix streaming account and no idea what to watch next, check out “The Fall”. It’s a British crime drama that stars Gillian Anderson, who is amazing in her role. There are only 5 episodes in the first season. It’s really really really good. Or so I think.

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thedopefishlives Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:48:32pm

Evening Lizardim from the severely cold wild north country. A low approaching -15 degrees F (-26 degrees C) tonight, with the high tomorrow barely cracking 0 degrees F (-18 degrees C). Great weather for the aftermath of a minor snowstorm, causing the snowpack to freeze solid before the road salt can do its work, resulting in the infamous “Minnesota washboard” effect. How go things among the lizardfolk on this freezing cloudy night?

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austin_blue Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:49:40pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thinking about brothers in the Air Force. My second oldest brother was a flight chief for some Phantom F4s out of Tucson.

That is a plane that had a long life. Many versions and retro fits, and sold to just about every ally we have. I think some are still flying aren’t there?

EDIT…just looked at Wiki. Says Germany just retired their last batch of Phantoms is 2013. First flight early ‘58. Long life.

Turkey still flies them.

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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:50:28pm

re: #323 thedopefishlives

Um 64 here, no ice or icky stuff like that…

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dog philosopher Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:51:25pm

re: #323 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the severely cold wild north country. A low approaching -15 degrees F (-26 degrees C) tonight, with the high tomorrow barely cracking 0 degrees F (-18 degrees C). Great weather for the aftermath of a minor snowstorm, causing the snowpack to freeze solid before the road salt can do its work, resulting in the infamous “Minnesota washboard” effect. How go things among the lizardfolk on this freezing cloudy night?

here in the ca bay area we are complaining because the temperature was - gasp! - 37 degrees last night

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thedopefishlives Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:51:50pm

re: #319 Gus

What year? That was one handsome aircraft. Ahead of its time.

Mmm, warbirds. I showed up at the right time. :) The F-86, while diminutive compared to more modern aircraft, had clean classic lines and superb performance for a generation 1.5 jet fighter. Exactly what any country who can’t afford a squadron of Hornets might like.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:52:59pm

re: #323 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the severely cold wild north country. A low approaching -15 degrees F (-26 degrees C) tonight, with the high tomorrow barely cracking 0 degrees F (-18 degrees C). Great weather for the aftermath of a minor snowstorm, causing the snowpack to freeze solid before the road salt can do its work, resulting in the infamous “Minnesota washboard” effect. How go things among the lizardfolk on this freezing cloudy night?

Brrrrrrrrrr.

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thedopefishlives Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:53:46pm

re: #328 Gus

Brrrrrrrrrr.

We don’t usually get temps this cold in December. Lotta very unhappy people up here right now.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:54:46pm

Currently 4^oF here expected low of zero and less.

[Mumbles to self.]

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:55:39pm

re: #329 thedopefishlives

We don’t usually get temps this cold in December. Lotta very unhappy people up here right now.

We’re still experiencing that Arctic front in Denver. Sucks. Did I say it sucks? Oh, yeah, it sucks.

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austin_blue Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:56:11pm

re: #323 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the severely cold wild north country. A low approaching -15 degrees F (-26 degrees C) tonight, with the high tomorrow barely cracking 0 degrees F (-18 degrees C). Great weather for the aftermath of a minor snowstorm, causing the snowpack to freeze solid before the road salt can do its work, resulting in the infamous “Minnesota washboard” effect. How go things among the lizardfolk on this freezing cloudy night?

Austin is a balmy 32 degrees right now. Given the hell that is Arky-saw today, I’ll take it.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:56:23pm

Will stop bitching about Alabama summers now.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:56:35pm

Later, lizards.

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Stanley Sea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:57:22pm

re: #325 Dancing along the light of day

Um 64 here, no ice or icky stuff like that…

51 in SD getting colder by the minute brrrrrrr.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:58:45pm

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Will stop bitching about Alabama summers now.

Summer? What is this thing you call, Summer?

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The War TARDIS Fri, Dec 6, 2013 5:58:46pm

More Time of the Doctor Screenshots.

And introducing Wood Cybermen

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:02:22pm

The tail of the front that’s causing the misery is a couple counties west of us. It’s reached Montgomery and N as snow/ice, but the freeze line will stay a bit north of us. We’ll have some severe stuff if it drops much—very warm and wet air now.

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:04:41pm

Here are the Columbus Ohio weather conditions currently outside my side door. Neighbors house and apartment building across street. Snow sweeps can be seen in street light. First time I used the camera at night with no flash in manual mode and in a hurry not to get it wet.

Columbus First Snow Dec_6_2013

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:06:10pm

South Africa is still a constitutional republic. The people can very well elect a non-socialist ruling party if they wish come election day. Can’t say I like the ANC but they’ve been electing ANC candidates since Mandela. Mandela was president for only one term and wasn’t some communist stereotype that held onto power. Mandela was certainly no Che Guevara, Castro or Lenin type. If Mandela was a communist he was “communist lite.”

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steve_davis Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:07:49pm

re: #1 wrenchwench

Everybody should just quit comparing Mandela to anybody else. There probably isn’t a better example of an ‘incomparable’ human.

And there is certainly no shame in Mandela having been a communist or the fact that he worked with communists. The shame goes to all those political entities and factions that were on the wrong side.

The shame is that Ho Chi Minh approached the U.S., seeking support from us in the late 1940’s, and we turned him down. It’s easy to forget that a lot of the folks who were communists in the ‘40’s and ‘50’s were on that side because there were only two games in town, and that was the other one.

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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:08:01pm

re: #335 Stanley Sea

Giggles, time to break out the fuzzy jammies!

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b_sharp Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:08:14pm

All you people bitching about how cold it is are now honorary Saskatchewanians. We spend most of the winter bitching about how cold it is.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:09:07pm

#BREAKING North Korea deports detained US citizen Merrill Newman, state media reports
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) December 7, 2013

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Lidane Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:09:44pm

re: #340 Gus

Mandela was president for only one term and wasn’t some communist stereotype that held onto power. Mandela was certainly now Che Guevara, Castro or Lenin type. If Mandela was a communist he was “communist lite.”

LIES! Everyone knows that Mandela was a genocidal commie tyrant that oversaw the mass killing of white people! Read a real history book instead of whatever the lamestream media tells you!

////

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:10:02pm

F-86s, commies and North Korea in one thread. Weird man. //

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ObserverArt Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:10:32pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

Is that Kitty sort of a brown color? Or is it a dark warm grey and will be more black as it ages? Color looks unique on my monitor.

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:10:45pm

re: #346 Gus

F-86s, commies and North Korea in one thread. Weird man. //

‘Scuse me while I huddle under my desk.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:11:34pm

re: #345 Lidane

LIES! Everyone knows that Mandela was a genocidal commie tyrant that oversaw the mass killing of white people! Read a real history book instead of whatever the lamestream media tells you!

////

Exactly. Yeesh. Last I checked they have fat cat millionaires living in South Africa.

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thedopefishlives Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:12:45pm

re: #346 Gus

F-86s, commies and North Korea in one thread. Weird man. //

They do kinda go together logically if you think about it.

/No, I’m not THAT old, I’m just a history buff

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Feline Fearless Leader Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:16:34pm

re: #346 Gus

F-86s, commies and North Korea in one thread. Weird man. //

Wolverines!

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:17:48pm

Damn commies.

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thedopefishlives Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:19:48pm

re: #352 Gus

Damn commies.

The enemy of my enemy may not be my friend, but he makes a damn useful source of cannon fodder.

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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:21:17pm

re: #342 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles, time to break out the fuzzy jammies!

Bunny slippers!

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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:24:27pm

re: #354 Political Atheist

Pants with bottom flaps!

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:25:58pm

re: #341 steve_davis

The shame is that Ho Chi Minh approached the U.S., seeking support from us in the late 1940’s, and we turned him down. It’s easy to forget that a lot of the folks who were communists in the ‘40’s and ‘50’s were on that side because there were only two games in town, and that was the other one.

To paraphrase my uncle, who was born in the Raj and became a Marxist-Leninist:

…and a lot of people in the developing world were colonized by a nation that practiced capitalism and had no issue with treading them into the ground to make a profit. Indeed, if you were in a British colony, you’d be told that it was all for your own good. Capitalism wasn’t incidental to the subjugation of those people, it was front-and-center. They were a captive labor force, a captive consumer audience, and were explicitly being told by their European rulers that this is the only way things can work.

And if they were fluent in international politics, they could even look at countries that were no longer colonies, but still had the massive wealth division, injustice, and cultural segregation…like most of South America…and want something different.

The appeal of socialism and communism on paper was that it refuted what the colonized were being told by their colonizers, root and branch. Given self-determination, not a lot of folks wanted to recapitulate the system they’d already experienced.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:27:58pm

Ted Cruz said nice things about Mandela and got hammered on Facebook.

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:28:26pm

re: #346 Gus

F-86s, commies and North Korea in one thread. Weird man. //

Back to the Future, without the plutonium or the Delorean.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:28:59pm

Republican @tedcruz posted a Mandela tribute on his Facebook page. @traciglee on what happened next: http://t.co/tBiA1YkUeW #nerdland
— Melissa @ MSNBC (@MHPshow) December 6, 2013

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prairiefire Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:29:56pm

It’s flipping cold!!!!

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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:30:01pm

re: #356 The Ghost of a Flea

To paraphrase my uncle, who was born in the Raj and became a Marxist-Leninist:

…and a lot of people in the developing world were colonized by a nation that practiced capitalism and had no issue with treading them into the ground to make a profit. Indeed, if you were in a British colony, you’d be told that it was all for your own good. Capitalism wasn’t incidental to the subjugation of those people, it was front-and-center. They were a captive labor force, a captive consumer audience, and were explicitly being told by their European rulers that this is the only way things can work.

And if they were fluent in international politics, they could even look at countries that were no longer colonies, but still had the massive wealth division, injustice, and cultural segregation…like most of South America…and want something different.

The appeal of socialism and communism on paper was that it refuted what the colonized were being told by their colonizers, root and branch. Given self-determination, not a lot of folks wanted to recapitulate the system they’d already experienced.

So tea has caused more shit than booze?

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:33:34pm

Unbridled capitalism is the leading cause of communism. This is a pro-capitalist statement.

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Gus Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:34:25pm

UPDATE: Elderly Palo Alto man who’d been held captive in NKorea since Oct. is coming home: http://t.co/lZc6HFHWkU pic.twitter.com/fyu00tbezU
— ABC7 News (@abc7newsBayArea) December 7, 2013

Get off mah lawn!

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:37:43pm

re: #361 Decatur Deb

So tea has caused more shit than booze?

The history of bringing tea to India is some James Bond stuff.

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Egregious Philbin Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:57:05pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Hyper-tech bombers don’t exist to drop bombs. They exist to scare the shit out of people who can’t afford them.

I had the great luck to be a passenger on a KC-135 refueling flight that refueled the B2. Seeing it about 25 feet away from you, in the air and watching the boom operator working with the pilots in both planes to coordinate this inflight coitus…. Freaking amazing, nothing like looking out on a billion dollars behind you. The tech gains from building and operating this plane have lots of valuable spin offs.

And, it is pretty damned cool looking… :)

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Egregious Philbin Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:09:36pm

Oh, and BTW, it dipped into the 30’s last night, where I live, that is a heresy…I have Papaya, Banana, Passion Fruit, Guava, Plumeria, Kiwano, Blood Orange, Pomegranate, Dragon Fruit and Pineapple plants…lots and lots of frost cloths, portable heaters and big radiating incandescent lights.

I was able to move my coffee plants indoors.

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