Time for something amazing.
Live in 1992 @ North Sea Jazz Festival
Michael Brecker - sax & EWI
Randy Brecker - trumpet
Mike Stern - guitar
James Genus - bass
George Whitty - keys
Dave Weckl - drumsSound mastered by Steffen Brix.
Please consider this a promotion for the artists - go and buy their albums - and help them make more wonderful music!
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 12:36:59pm |
That intro that sounds like a whole band with Michael Brecker soloing on Electronic Wind Instrument? It’s just him.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 12:40:29pm |
One of the reasons I like the music posted here is because it’s so far outside what I generally listen to.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 7, 2013 12:42:05pm |
And, ‘cause I didn’t know what an EWI was…
en.wikipedia.org
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 12:46:30pm |
Quite a discussion going on in the page about the Colorado baker ordered by a judge to make cakes for gay people.
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:04:13pm |
Note to self: Invent self-cleaning house, make millions.
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:19:12pm |
That’s great, it had me doing the “seat groove” thing. What most people don’t realize is that the EWI, over time, slowly evolved into what is currently the Holophonor.
RBS
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:20:46pm |
One Track Mind: The Brecker Brothers ‘Song for Barry’ (1992)
A lot had happened during those intervening years. Miles Davis had come back from retirement, touring and making a final batch of new musicbefore passing away in 1991. Michael Brecker finally begun to record as a solo artist in 1987, and quickly followed up his brilliant debut with two more strong albums. And the so-called “contemporary” jazz that the Brecker Brothers’ music was sometimes lumped into morphed into “smooth” jazz. Would the brothers follow suit and smooth out any sharp edges to their music? The answer came swiftly on the first track of Return, “Song For Barry.”
On the surface, “Barry” has much of the same production earmarks of many smooth jazz songs of the early 90s: bright sound, synthesized drums up high in the mix and layers of the latest and greatest keyboards. There’s no mistaking that this is a song from 1992. But as the song’s composer, Michael brought the The Brothers the same inclination to draw inspiration from disparate sources as he had been doing for his solo music. A tribute to the then recently deceased Latin trombonist and former fellow Dreams band member Barry Rogers, Michael took the main melody from a horn pattern that Rogers was fond of, and even excerpted a trombone solo Rogers once did on an Eddie Palmieri album. And then just for rhythmic fun, Brecker threw in an adaptation of a Guinean tribal theme for a bass line.
That trombone solo mentioned in this quote is a real mind-bender, musically - very unusual phrasing. It starts at 5:30 - the band is playing the trombone solo, trading fours with Michael in a call-answer type thing.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:24:12pm |
The USS Arizona as she was hit at 8:10 AM destroying her and killing most of her crew. #PearlHarbor72 pic.twitter.com/ZdYojd2vYN— USS Arizona (@USSArizona) December 7, 2013
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:31:05pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Keep an ear out. If you hear radial engines in the sky, you may get a look at the Condor Squadron again this year. LA area lizards heads up!
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:31:17pm |
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:37:01pm |
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:40:41pm |
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:43:24pm |
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:44:33pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:45:32pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:47:46pm |
Pretty sure that some of these people who post images on Twitter all day long are violating the shit out of some copyrights.
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thedopefishlives Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:48:13pm |
re: #19 Charles Johnson
Pretty sure that some of these people who post images on Twitter all day long are violating the shit out of some copyrights.
Undoubtedly, but how many people have the resources to actually enforce their own copyrights?
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:50:09pm |
re: #19 Charles Johnson
Pretty sure that some of these people who post images on Twitter all day long are violating the shit out of some copyrights.
You mean like that Porompompero guy?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:51:43pm |
re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg
I was actually thinking more about some of the other ones, but yeah there are probably lots of copyrighted images in that feed too.
I have seen Twitter remove some images, probably when they get a DMCA take-down notice.
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GeneJockey Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:52:47pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
One of my favorite watches is engraved “LK to WK; 12-25-41” Less than 3 weeks after Pearl Harbor. I wonder what that Christmas was like, for most Americans. The Pacific Fleet in ruins, the Phillipines falling, at war with Nazi Germany on one side and Imperial Japan on the other, and no certainty of victory.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:54:26pm |
These are US medium bombers over Diamond Head & Waikiki, Honolulu, after Pearl Harbor attack, 72 years ago: #NARA pic.twitter.com/s9eIfi14dj— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 7, 2013
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:58:41pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
We went over this one in the overnight thread. Conclusion:
@BeschlossDC Looks like it was before Pearl Harbor: http://t.co/2SLCiu3wVJ— wench with wrench (@wenchwrench) December 7, 2013
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 1:59:18pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
“Trick photo; not authentic. Created by combining 1-18-1934 photo of Waikiki and April 6, 1940 photo of B-18 formation over Oahu.”
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:00:18pm |
Thought they looked too large. Drop a vertical from the lead plane down to the ground. That plane would be massive.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:00:44pm |
re: #26 Gus
“Trick photo; not authentic. Created by combining 1-18-1934 photo of Waikiki and April 6, 1940 photo of B-18 formation over Oahu.”
Well, whaddaya know. First time I’ve seen Beschloss post a fake.
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:01:34pm |
re: #26 Gus
“Trick photo; not authentic. Created by combining 1-18-1934 photo of Waikiki and April 6, 1940 photo of B-18 formation over Oahu.”
Old school photoshop.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:01:46pm |
re: #28 Charles Johnson
Well, whaddaya know. First time I’ve seen Beschloss post a fake.
Had help from earlier. Just found the “trick photo” link. Thought it was just a pic from April 1940. Had a hunch that it was a composite this morning.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:02:40pm |
re: #30 Gus
Had help from earlier. Just found the “trick photo” link. Thought it was just a pic from April 1940. Had a hunch that it was a composite this morning.
OK, I had a preliminary conclusion. (How’s that for an oxymoron?)
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:06:03pm |
re: #31 wrenchwench
OK, I had a preliminary conclusion. (How’s that for an oxymoron?)
Crowd sourced. :D
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:07:08pm |
Here’s the B-18 “layer.”
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:10:47pm |
Been arguing all day about whether Ronald Reagan supported the apartheid regime of P. W. Botha. I didn’t even realize this was controversial. Of course he did, in many ways. It’s one of the shameful low points of Reagan’s presidency.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:11:47pm |
These are the real deal.
About 50 survivors returned to Pearl Harbor today to mark the 72nd anniversary of the attack http://t.co/O20sL8e8T2 pic.twitter.com/Ld3Yqjcc3C
— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) December 7, 2013
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:13:48pm |
It’s weird because I lived through all that when it happened, and now people are trying to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, or I’m using “hindsight.” No, it’s not hindsight. Reagan’s support for apartheid was clear and obvious, and a total disgrace. I knew it at the time and nothing I’ve seen since has changed that opinion.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:16:57pm |
re: #24 Charles Johnson
Edit: Long beat to the punch
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:17:47pm |
re: #26 Gus
“Trick photo; not authentic. Created by combining 1-18-1934 photo of Waikiki and April 6, 1940 photo of B-18 formation over Oahu.”
Ho, news even after earlier. Thanks Gus!
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Zamb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:18:30pm |
On the subject of Pearl Harbor, a facebook friend posted something along the lines of “Everyone knows about Paul Walker’s death, but nobody remembers the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.” Which is utter crap, the rest of my feed was comments on the anniversary and back when I had cable I remember days like this being filled with specials on the event. It just always bothers me when someone makes these kind of claims about societies misplaced values.
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thedopefishlives Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:18:53pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
It’s weird because I lived through all that when it happened, and now people are trying to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, or I’m using “hindsight.” No, it’s not hindsight. Reagan’s support for apartheid was clear and obvious, and a total disgrace. I knew it at the time and nothing I’ve seen since has changed that opinion.
Yeah, I don’t understand how people honestly think they’re going to rewrite history that’s so recent, people actually lived it. It does give you a preview for what happens if we let the Right prevail - they’ll rewrite the history books after we’re gone.
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Zamb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:19:36pm |
re: #40 thedopefishlives
I think they’ve been getting pretty good at rewriting them while we are still around too.
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thedopefishlives Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:20:13pm |
re: #41 Zamb
I think they’ve been getting pretty good at rewriting them while we are still around too.
They’re trying to. I don’t think they’ve quite been getting away with it, though.
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Belafon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:21:57pm |
re: #12 Gus
I am assuming you saw the fight Rall had with DailyKos not too long ago.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:22:31pm |
re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis
Ho, news even after earlier. Thanks Gus!
YW. Yeah, used the “site:.gov”, and something else that I forgot now, search to find that and there it was.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:22:50pm |
re: #43 Belafon
I am assuming you saw the fight Rall had with DailyKos not too long ago.
Yeah. More or less. Just on Twitter.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:24:14pm |
re: #34 Charles Johnson
Been arguing all day about whether Ronald Reagan supported the apartheid regime of P. W. Botha. I didn’t even realize this was controversial. Of course he did, in many ways. It’s one of the shameful low points of Reagan’s presidency.
This is the dumbest tweet from a person I thought was smart:
@portraitinflesh @Green_Footballs we have to assume he had no idea what the regime was really doing.— Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) December 7, 2013
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:25:00pm |
Apparently the Diamond Head photo was being licensed by Corbis:
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:26:00pm |
re: #46 wrenchwench
If Reagan had no idea what Botha was doing, he was probably the only person in the world who didn’t.
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gwangung Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:27:11pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
It’s weird because I lived through all that when it happened, and now people are trying to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, or I’m using “hindsight.”
Now you know what blacks and other people of color feel like after being role Democrats are the real racists or that Republicans were the real supporters of the Civil Rights Act.
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Zamb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:27:35pm |
re: #42 thedopefishlives
On some things, but I have dealt with plenty of people who don’t think that Democrats other than LBJ had anything to do with Civil Rights legislation, and do think the Republican party of Roosevelt and Lincoln is the same as the party today. These aren’t even wingnuts, just normal people who don’t spend much time on these issues.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:28:44pm |
And whaddaya know - Corbis still has the fake image:
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The War TARDIS Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:30:30pm |
I see there was a death on a Delta Airlines flight?
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:31:24pm |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
And whaddaya know - Corbis still has the fake image:
This is there:
Have questions regarding this image?
Chat with a specialist now
/not me
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:31:25pm |
re: #51 Charles Johnson
And whaddaya know - Corbis still has the fake image:
Wrong date too:
Date Photographed:
December 07, 1941
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:32:45pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
If Reagan had no idea what Botha was doing, he was probably the only person in the world who didn’t.
That’s alright, I’ve heard a few wingnuts actually try to argue that Botha was working towards dismantling apartheid, when the man actually made clear in a very public speech that he felt true democracy in South Africa would only lead to anarchy.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:34:48pm |
re: #56 Gus
They’ll have to break out this phrase again, like they did for that one:
This is an artist’s conception…..
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:35:08pm |
re: #36 Charles Johnson
It’s weird because I lived through all that when it happened, and now people are trying to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, or I’m using “hindsight.” No, it’s not hindsight. Reagan’s support for apartheid was clear and obvious, and a total disgrace. I knew it at the time and nothing I’ve seen since has changed that opinion.
I was reading up on that yesterday. Here’s Reagan’s speech on South Africa.
He wasn’t in favor of arparthied, he was angling for a controlled transition to free society with minimal violence. I still find it unfathomable that the country transitioned as peacefully as it did. It was a fucking miracle. I also opposed the lifting of sanctions on Libya but it played a large part in bringing down Q’Daffy. I was wrong. I also oppose easing sanctions on Iran but I might be wrong about that. I disagree with Obama but I don’t believe that he’s philosophically supporting Muslim theocracy. It would be an absurd accusation.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:38:21pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
If Reagan had no idea what Botha was doing, he was probably the only person in the world who didn’t.
That was par for the course.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:38:21pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Of course Reagan made statements condemning apartheid - politically, he had to. But he went much farther than opposing sanctions - he removed the sanctions Carter had put in place, and helped arm and fund Botha. Reagan’s actions speak much louder than his speeches, and he objectively helped the apartheid regime extend its lifespan.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:39:13pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:40:30pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:40:32pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Disclosure: My mom worked with the State Dept and the SA govt with their plans to racially integrate their civil service and government agencies. She wrote her doctoral thesis about it. Very proud of her.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:44:20pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
I was reading up on that yesterday. Here’s Reagan’s speech on South Africa.
He wasn’t in favor of arparthied, he was angling for a controlled transition to free society with minimal violence. I still find it unfathomable that the country transitioned as peacefully as it did. It was a fucking miracle. I also opposed the lifting of sanctions on Libya but it played a large part in bringing down Q’Daffy. I was wrong. I also oppose easing sanctions on Iran but I might be wrong about that. I disagree with Obama but I don’t believe that he’s philosophically supporting Muslim theocracy. It would be an absurd accusation.
What Reagan wanted was a fantasy, that the Afrikaners would choose to end apartheid without any pressure put upon them to do so. He wanted groups like ANC and men like Mandela to have no part in the transition, because Botha was whispering his ear that if America lent legitimacy to such “communist terrorist” groups, then Africa would undergo the same way of revolutionary takeovers that South America had undergone. Like Charles already noted, when push came to shove, Reagan supported apartheid because he saw it as the only viable option.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:46:55pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
I was reading up on that yesterday. Here’s Reagan’s speech on South Africa.
Would it surprise you to know that’s not the only thing that Reagan ever did or said regarding Apartheid?
This article will help you educate yourself on Reagan’s record on apartheid, which you appear highly ignorant of.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:47:53pm |
re: #64 Targetpractice
What Reagan wanted was a fantasy, that the Afrikaners would choose to end apartheid without any pressure put upon them to do so.
Basically, he was engaging in the revisionist fantasy that the South would have ended slavery, granted civil rights, done all that jazz better if that mean ol’ North and federal government hadn’t rushed them along so.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:47:57pm |
Hi All..Going to a huge Christmas party in a few hours. 650 people are scheduled to go. It’s the place to be seen tonight in Norman.
I didn’t know who to ask. I have a friend at the lodge who introduced me to a really sharp girl there. Cute as hell so I called her up and asked if she could possibly go to this event tonight with me as a guest. She said yes. ( did I say this is the event to go to? )
She said she is going with her black leather dress, Diamonds and coat. So..Took me 20 minutes to pick out a damn tie..Hoopster is stepping out in style tonight with a beautiful lady. Can’t believe she said yes!
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The War TARDIS Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:50:17pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
Speaking of Libya, I thinking many of its current problems are a result of meddling by the Saudi & Qatari clowns.
I’m hoping the deal between Iran & us holds. I’m really tired of supporting the fuckflakes on the Arabian Peninsula. Only good government there is Oman’s.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:50:29pm |
re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Basically, he was engaging in the revisionist fantasy that the South would have ended slavery, granted civil rights, done all that jazz better if that mean ol’ North and federal government hadn’t rushed them along so.
‘Too soon’ is always what the oppressors say to the oppressed.
Right now it’s too soon to require access to wedding services for gay people.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:50:36pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:51:21pm |
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The War TARDIS Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:51:51pm |
re: #74 Charles Johnson
Wow, you are old. :P
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thedopefishlives Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:51:53pm |
re: #74 Charles Johnson
Yeah, that was me. Kinda hated that job.
We can see it in your face. Glare for the camera!
;)
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:51:55pm |
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:53:17pm |
re: #77 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
That’s some motherfucking intense operation.
The grimace gets you by. //
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:53:46pm |
re: #67 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Basically, he was engaging in the revisionist fantasy that the South would have ended slavery, granted civil rights, done all that jazz better if that mean ol’ North and federal government hadn’t rushed them along so.
Botha gave a very public speech where he stated there would never be unified elections, a unified government, because he believed that instituting such would only lead to anarchy. He then instituted crackdowns and put the country under martial law.
Reagan’s response? To bluster about how he was disappointed, but he didn’t cut off supporting the regime. And when Congress took up economic sanctions, he vetoed them and had that veto overridden.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:54:22pm |
re: #73 Charles Johnson
Avenge December 7 Poster by Bernard Perlin - 42-20609604 - Rights Managed - Stock Photo - Corbis
Reminds me of this.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:54:37pm |
Moar Corbis fun!
F105 Being Readied For Bombing Mission
Original caption: 11/4/1968-Takhli, Thailand: Before President Johnson ordered a halt to the bombing of North Vietnam (11/1), this F105 Thunderbird was being readied for a bombing mission at the U.S. airbase here (10/22). The U.S. Chief Executive ordered the halt in an effort to speed progress in the Paris Peace Talks and a settlement of the Vietnamese War.
Oops. Not a Thunderbird but a Thunderchief. Also missing the hyphen for F-105.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:54:43pm |
re: #66 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Would it surprise you to know that’s not the only thing that Reagan ever did or said regarding Apartheid?
My mom joined the State Dept task force with SA govt in ‘84 or 85.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:55:26pm |
re: #79 Targetpractice
Botha gave a very public speech where he stated there would never be unified elections, a unified government, because he believed that instituting such would only lead to anarchy. He then instituted crackdowns and put the country under martial law.
Reagan’s response? To bluster about how he was disappointed, but he didn’t cut off supporting the regime. And when Congress took up economic sanctions, he vetoed them and had that veto overridden.
Yup. That’s what I mean by actions speaking louder. Reagan was so far on the wrong side, even his own Republican caucus didn’t support him when the veto was overridden.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:58:09pm |
re: #71 The War TARDIS
Speaking of Libya, I thinking many of its current problems are a result of meddling by the Saudi & Qatari clowns.
I’m hoping the deal between Iran & us holds. I’m really tired of supporting the fuckflakes on the Arabian Peninsula. Only good government there is Oman’s.
The Saudis are going to be a tough nut to crack. As much as I dislike the House of Saud I get the vibe that they’re more moderate than the society they rule. If free and open elections were to happen today I think it’s a safe bet they’d choose a theocracy led by clerics. Society is going to take a long time to change. Iran is a different story, the people are tired of the clerics and would prefer a free modern society. Once the mullahs are gone it should be an easy transition.
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Uncle Obdicut Sat, Dec 7, 2013 2:59:42pm |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
My mom joined the State Dept task force with SA govt in ‘84 or 85.
My dad is an expert on Chaucer. I know a very little about Chaucer.
Reagan supported the South African government during apartheid, even after they declared they would never give equal voting rights to blacks, even after violent, murderous crackdowns. Reagan also made the spectacularly false claim that South Africa had no segregation, and, in general, his portrayal of South African politicians as ‘moderates’ was appallingly wrong given their policies.
Citing a single speech as what Reagan’s position on Apartheid is is just obviously silly. Rand Paul, for example, talks a ton about how he totally doesn’t support racism, and yet he does. It’s almost as if speeches don’t match to political reality!
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The War TARDIS Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:01:47pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Maybe for the center of the nation, however for the coasts, they are more radical than both.
The Shia Persian Gulf-ers have been treated with immense cruelty. And the Hijaz-ites aren’t much better. Remember, the Nejd, where the Sauds came from, was until recently essentially a backwater place fills with the cultural equivalent to the hillbillies here.
They have committed massive crimes against Islam and Humanity for 200 year. I want to see them go do, and the Nation break apart. Hijaz goes to Jordan, the formerly Yemeni territories back to Yemen, and the Shia Persian Gulf Coast be independent.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:02:03pm |
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The War TARDIS Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:03:09pm |
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:07:39pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:09:15pm |
October 3, 1986: Senate, 78 to 21, Overrides Reagan’ - S Veto and Imposes Sanctions on South Africa
WASHINGTON, Oct. 2 — The Senate voted today to override President Reagan’s veto of legislation imposing stiff economic sanctions on South Africa. In doing so it rejected his pleas for support as he prepares to meet Mikhail S. Gorbachev, the Soviet leader, in Iceland.
The vote was 78 to 21, or 12 votes more than the two-thirds vote necessary to override. Since the House also voted to rebuff the President earlier this week, the sanctions bill became law as soon as the Senate voted to override the President’s veto.
The vote today capped a two-year effort by opponents of apartheid to force the Reagan Administration into exerting more pressure on the Pretoria Government to change its policies of racial separation. The legislation will ban all new investment by Americans in South African businesses; prohibit the importation of such products as steel and coal from South Africa, and will cancel landing rights in the United States for South African airlines.
[…]
Senator Richard G. Lugar, the Indiana Republican who heads the Foreign Relations Committee and was the chief sponsor of the measure, appealed in emotional terms to Pretoria to heed the action taken by Congress.
”As a friend of that Government we are saying wake up!” he said.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:11:53pm |
On December 7, I'm reminded of the most powerful floor speech I've ever watched in the #Senate chamber http://t.co/isJDj7edE8— Niels Lesniewski (@nielslesniewski) December 7, 2013
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Amory Blaine Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:14:01pm |
Does Ollie North have a Christmas Special on FOX this year?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:16:55pm |
re: #10 Political Atheist
Keep an ear out. If you hear radial engines in the sky, you may get a look at the Condor Squadron again this year. LA area lizards heads up!
And if you’re in Coeur D’ alene, you might see the Condor Legion reenactors.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:17:20pm |
re: #58 Killgore Trout
I was reading up on that yesterday. Here’s Reagan’s speech on South Africa.
He wasn’t in favor of arparthied, he was angling for a controlled transition to free society with minimal violence. I still find it unfathomable that the country transitioned as peacefully as it did. It was a fucking miracle. I also opposed the lifting of sanctions on Libya but it played a large part in bringing down Q’Daffy. I was wrong. I also oppose easing sanctions on Iran but I might be wrong about that. I disagree with Obama but I don’t believe that he’s philosophically supporting Muslim theocracy. It would be an absurd accusation.
I hear he made some platitudes about curbing
NSA spyingAparthied
Pres Obama Reagan doesn’t engage in “platitudes”.
Sure he does, it’s what politicians do. He wasn’t surprised by anything in
the Snowden leaksSouth Africa but it makes a PR mess for him to clean up. If the rubes buy into then he’s done a good job.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:17:30pm |
re: #91 Charles Johnson
The legislation will ban all new investment by Americans in South African businesses; prohibit the importation of such products as steel and coal from South Africa, and will cancel landing rights in the United States for South African airlines.
Yeah I’ll bet some people were real happy about this.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:18:16pm |
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:22:27pm |
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:24:15pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:24:26pm |
re: #96 blueraven
Of course Reagan was full of shit, Iran-Contra proves that. All politicians are.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:25:39pm |
re: #84 Killgore Trout
Have you read this?
It opened my eyes..
amazon.com
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:26:32pm |
OT I just posted a page on some interesting medical news regarding gene therapy and blood cancers. littlegreenfootballs.com
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:28:54pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:31:37pm |
re: #102 Dancing along the light of day
Have you read this?
It opened my eyes..
amazon.com
I haven’t seen that before, I should check it out.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:31:47pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:33:34pm |
re: #94 Gus
That was taken on a road near Randy Bachman’s estate, where we recorded parts of the “Rocks, Pebbles and Sand” album.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:33:51pm |
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:34:22pm |
re: #70 Gus
I don’t thing that’s the Bizarro Charles however. I understand that the Bizarro Charles plays the accordion and wears a fedora, even inside the house.
RBS
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:34:23pm |
re: #107 Charles Johnson
That was taken on a road near Randy Bachman’s estate, where we recorded parts of the “Rocks, Pebbles and Sand” album.
Yeah, saw that it was in the back of that album.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:35:12pm |
re: #107 Charles Johnson
That was taken on a road near Randy Bachman’s estate, where we recorded parts of the “Rocks, Pebbles and Sand” album.
Rather well known photographer who got around quite a bit.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:35:35pm |
re: #104 Gus
Image: steve-jobs-in-redwood-city-california-in-1989-photo-by-tom-zimberoff.jpg
Is that a copy of the Rosetta Stone behind him, or did he buy the original?
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:36:21pm |
re: #106 Charles Johnson
Hey, I remember that jacket!
And the hair, all that hair…
/and the cheesy 70s mustache
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:36:37pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:37:41pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
Is that a copy of the Rosetta Stone behind him, or did he buy the original?
I thought about that too. I’m pretty sure the original stays in the British museum.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:39:09pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I thought about that too. I’m pretty sure the original stays in the British museum.
That’s what they want you to think.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:40:05pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
Is that a copy of the Rosetta Stone behind him, or did he buy the original?
How Steve Jobs Ended Up Sitting in Front of a Rosetta Stone Replica With Groucho Marx Glasses On
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RadicalModerate Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:40:22pm |
re: #91 Charles Johnson
October 3, 1986: Senate, 78 to 21, Overrides Reagan’ - S Veto and Imposes Sanctions on South Africa
For those of you who are interested to see who voted to not override the Reagan veto of apartheid sanctions, here is the official Senate roll call.
Not surprisingly, every member who voted to uphold the veto was a Republican - and most of them are well know for their opposition of civil rights for nonwhites:
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:41:01pm |
re: #93 Amory Blaine
Does Ollie North have a Christmas Special on FOX this year?
Every time I see that name my mind processes it as “Ollie Williams”
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:43:37pm |
re: #116 Decatur Deb
That’s what they want you to think.
My favorite part of the British museum in in a far back corner of the Egyptian wing where they keep the naughty stuff. Ancient cartoons of hippos and crocodiles having orgies, crude drawings of dicks etc. It’s a great place to camp out and people watch.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:47:29pm |
Oh, you're going to turn on your camera and have your cat do the same thing they just did? Good luck with that. http://t.co/aUuBmhNzrJ— Henri, Le Chat Noir (@HenriLeChatNoir) December 7, 2013
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:48:35pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:49:54pm |
Some people find jesus in their toast, I find Grumpy Cat in my apple. pic.twitter.com/K2XaPe0u23— rolandlogan (@hotseatpepper) December 7, 2013
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:52:29pm |
re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg
Hey Charles, I see your wikipedia page has been updated to include your middle name
They left out the “Icarus”, damnit!
/
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 3:54:59pm |
re: #123 wrenchwench
I bought a pack of seeds
Tennessee Bradleys
The best homegrown you’ll find
How it happened I don’t know
Must’ve been the Miracle-Gro
Oh, I could not believe my eyes
In my tomato bed
A holy image blood red
Smile, God loves you
I see him on the vine
This just might be a sign
Help me I’m confused
So many brands to choose
Jesus and tomatoes coming soon
Folks came from miles around
They laid their money down
To see that ripe phenomenon
It even made the evening news
And had a website too
This vegetable from heaven
(Or is it a fruit)
What rose up from the dirt
Now sells on t-shirts
The profits kept rolling in
I prayed they’d never end
And filed for tax exemption
I heard a knocking at my door
It was a lawyer for the Lord
Saying don’t do this no more
I said come and dine with me
We’ll have a BLT
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makeitstop Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:00:57pm |
re: #111 Gus
Rather well known photographer who got around quite a bit.
Henry took the photos for my band’s never-released album. We sure showed him a good time in NY - or maybe he showed us one. That time period is kinda hazy…
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:01:15pm |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
My favorite part of the British museum in in a far back corner of the Egyptian wing where they keep the naughty stuff. Ancient cartoons of hippos and crocodiles having orgies, crude drawings of dicks etc. It’s a great place to camp out and people watch.
I seem to recall a BBC Documentary on the Great Pyramid. Turns out that the ancient egyptian hardhat guys weren’t above leaving their opinion of the foreman on the walls.
RBS
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:03:13pm |
re: #120 Killgore Trout
Sounds like you spent some time there!
And it was fun!
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:03:36pm |
Central heating - useful feature for non-commercial housing or socialist plot?
Discuss.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:04:43pm |
re: #131 b_sharp
Central heating - useful feature for non-commercial housing or socialist plot?
Discuss.
Socialist plot…
Central heating is the opium of the masses.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:05:14pm |
re: #129 RealityBasedSteve
I seem to recall a BBC Documentary on the Great Pyramid. Turns out that the ancient egyptian hardhat guys weren’t above leaving their opinion of the foreman on the walls.
RBS
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:05:26pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:07:55pm |
Well this sucks. Netflix only has Doctor Who up to the end of Season 6 and Hulu only has half of Season 7.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:08:21pm |
re: #132 Gus
Socialist plot…
Central heating is the opium of the masses.
Then count me in as a smack-addicted socialist, comrade.
They can take my HVAC unit from my cold, dead hands.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:09:48pm |
evening lizards. We’re getting ready for several inches of snow here in the wilds of Iowa
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:15:40pm |
re: #134 Decatur Deb
Kate Campbell. She’s a local hero who almost took off.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:15:49pm |
You Shall Not Pass, Dog: http://t.co/wupBodByY3— Gus (@Gus_802) December 8, 2013
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:17:22pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:19:25pm |
re: #136 AlexRogan
Then count me in as a smack-addicted socialist, comrade.
They can take my HVAC unit from my cold, dead hands.
///
Same here.
But then I live in communist Canuckistan.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:20:00pm |
re: #141 b_sharp
Same here.
But then I live in communist Canuckistan.
I can see Canuckistan from my house.
— Vladamir Putin
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:21:17pm |
re: #138 AlexRogan
Yeah. Auburn girl, her father pastored the first integrated church in her part of Mississippi. Some of her best stuff is on Youtube, but in horrible charity fundraiser venues.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:24:23pm |
re: #134 Decatur Deb
Kate Campbell. She’s a local hero who almost took off.
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Nice stuff!
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:26:01pm |
re: #142 Gus
I can see Canuckistan from my house.
— Vladamir Putin
Canada is trying to steal the North Pole from Russia.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:30:39pm |
And now, a baby olinguito pic.twitter.com/svM865bQYw— Animal Planet (@MeetAnimals) December 5, 2013
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:37:26pm |
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:39:49pm |
The boyfriend has me suffering through some video game awards thing that’s streaming on XBox Live. The one bright spot here, aside from Double Fine doing anything, has been this:
It's TRUE! We're working with @HBO to create an all-new episodic game series based on GAME OF THRONES in 2014! #VGX pic.twitter.com/d5GkhS2MOw— Telltale Games (@telltalegames) December 8, 2013
I can’t wait for that. Should be sweet.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:43:56pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:45:11pm |
re: #142 Gus
I can see Canuckistan from my
househorse.
— Vladamir Putin
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:49:12pm |
My cats have been keeping out of sight this evening. I just found them, they are both curled up on top of the hot air register in the bedroom. Looked at me with a “Yes? What?” attitude and put their heads back down again
RBS
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:54:49pm |
re: #148 Lidane
The boyfriend has me suffering through some video game awards thing that’s streaming on XBox Live. The one bright spot here, aside from Double Fine doing anything, has been this:
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I can’t wait for that. Should be sweet.
All I really had to do was look at GTA V getting “game of the year” and I became disgusted. Not that it wasn’t a good game, but Bioshock: Infinite and Last of Us were, at least in my opinion, better games overall.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 4:56:39pm |
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:01:32pm |
re: #153 wrenchwench
It beats some of the awful stuff some folks have on their iPhones.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:02:28pm |
re: #152 Targetpractice
All I really had to do was look at GTA V getting “game of the year” and I became disgusted. Not that it wasn’t a good game, but Bioshock: Infinite and Last of Us were, at least in my opinion, better games overall.
The awards are a joke and Joel McHale clearly doesn’t want to be there. This is horrible. The only redeeming bits have been the world premiere videos. That’s it. The rest sucks balls.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:08:08pm |
re: #155 Lidane
The awards are a joke and Joel McHale clearly doesn’t want to be there. This is horrible. The only redeeming bits have been the world premiere videos. That’s it. The rest sucks balls.
In past years, it wasn’t too bad. But Spike decided this year that they were going to “improve” it and instead turned into an absolute joke. And the game premieres haven’t really impressed me much either. Then again, that’s mostly bitterness over hearing that another year’s ending and Bethesda is still dragging their feet on whether or not they’re making Fallout 4.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:08:24pm |
re: #153 wrenchwench
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Street music was one of the best things about NYC. Some of the older tiled subway stations with arched alcoves had great acoustics. (Between trains.)
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:12:38pm |
I guess Best Shooter was Irrational’s consolation prize for being snubbed for Game of the Year.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:13:50pm |
re: #152 Targetpractice
All I really had to do was look at GTA V getting “game of the year” and I became disgusted. Not that it wasn’t a good game, but Bioshock: Infinite and Last of Us were, at least in my opinion, better games overall.
I think Civ V was my only game purchase this year. Most games today just don’t interest me. 1st person shooters haven’t evolved much past running down hallways and picking up health packs. I watched some playthroughs of Ryse. 10 minute cut scenes are insane. Who would sit through that?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:14:39pm |
Debbie Schlussel is made of class.
Nelson Mandela was NOT a peacemaker. He was not a great man. He was a racist who hated White people and Jews and loved Islamic terrorists and Marxists to his death.
Rot in Hell, Nelson.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:15:22pm |
Strange - when I met Mandela he sure didn’t give any sign that he hated me.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:17:26pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:18:53pm |
I’m absolutely drawing a blank at this point why, if Naughty Dog already won awards for Best Studio and Best Voice Actor/Actress, and Irrational won for Best Shooter, why GTA V still won GOTY. Seriously, were they afraid of showing favorites?
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:21:01pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:21:40pm |
re: #160 Charles Johnson
I will admit, I admire her honesty. Think she’s a raving loon, but at least she’s being honest.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:22:20pm |
re: #160 Charles Johnson
At least she’s honest about being a classless hater.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:23:31pm |
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:24:46pm |
re: #163 Targetpractice
I’m absolutely drawing a blank at this point why, if Naughty Dog already won awards for Best Studio and Best Voice Actor/Actress, and Irrational won for Best Shooter, why GTA V still won GOTY. Seriously, were they afraid of showing favorites?
I’ve given up following it. It’s still on, but I put in my earbuds and I’m listening to Spotify while people are talking. I’m done. It’s a joke.
At least I got to see two new Telltale games. And seeing more about Broke Age. That was okay. I can leave the rest.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:25:01pm |
I don’t like the ANC. But SA is still a constitutional republic with free elections.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:25:03pm |
re: #157 Decatur Deb
Street music was one of the best things about NYC. Some of the older tiled subway stations with arched alcoves had great acoustics. (Between trains.)
It’s one of the worst things here. We got a guy whose greatest talent is persistence. He plays amplified, or did until the cops got a thingy to measure the decibels. Mr. w called him ‘Little Jimmy Cash’, ‘cause he likes to dress in black. Then we started making up song titles for him.
I Snort the Line
A Boy Named Who?
Ring of Smoke
…and some based on local street names and stuff.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:26:48pm |
re: #171 wrenchwench
It is one of the reasons why I carry earplugs with me when I ride on the EL.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:27:57pm |
South Africa is not Mao’s China. Neither is it Stalin’s Soviet Union. Neither is is it like Castro’s Cuba.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:28:17pm |
re: #169 Lidane
I’ve given up following it. It’s still on, but I put in my earbuds and I’m listening to Spotify while people are talking. I’m done. It’s a joke.
At least I got to see two new Telltale games. And seeing more about Broke Age. That was okay. I can leave the rest.
Yeah, I pretty much tuned out E3 and PAX this year. It’s not like the trailers and reveals won’t be on Youtube before the night’s over. The only real reason to tune into E3 this year was to watch Microsoft commit live seppuku, then Sony coming in and dancing on the corpse to everybody’s amusement.
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dog philosopher Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:29:34pm |
How did North Korea become a meth hub?
huhwhut??
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lawhawk Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:32:11pm |
Okay, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to avoid a zombie apocalypse is to simply make sure that anyone suspected of being infected by the zombie bug has to have their shoelaces tied together. If they can’t walk, they can’t shamble or run, and they become easier to put down.
Morticians, you have your directives - tie those shoelaces together.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:32:34pm |
re: #174 Targetpractice
The only E3 coverage I bother with are the big press conferences. That’s it. Everything else is going on YouTube anyway. PAX is the same way. If there’s some big event I might follow it, but nothing else.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:32:39pm |
These bozos need to read up on Eugène Terre’Blanche or the Herstigte Nasionale Party which is made up of fervent antisemites and neo-Nazis. Many members who wanted to kill Mandela.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:33:55pm |
re: #173 Gus
South Africa is not Mao’s China. Neither is it Stalin’s Soviet Union. Neither is is it like Castro’s Cuba.
But Mandela was a genocidal tyrant that hated white people! Surely he trained everyone who’s come to power after him to keep up the mass slaughter and necklacing of white people.
/////
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dog philosopher Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:34:51pm |
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:34:51pm |
re: #177 Lidane
The only E3 coverage I bother with are the big press conferences. That’s it. Everything else is going on YouTube anyway. PAX is the same way. If there’s some big event I might follow it, but nothing else.
I’ve given up trying to keep up with video games. I download a lot of classic stuff from gog.com and am getting back into board gaming and table top rpg via virtual tables like roll20, gametableonline.com and vassal
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lawhawk Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:35:24pm |
Ninja Turtle Kid Honored for Helping Mom Battle Cancer: the video that'll put smile on your face and tear in your eye http://t.co/8OMY2JQfhf— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 7, 2013
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:35:59pm |
re: #176 lawhawk
Okay, I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to avoid a zombie apocalypse is to simply make sure that anyone suspected of being infected by the zombie bug has to have their shoelaces tied together. If they can’t walk, they can’t shamble or run, and they become easier to put down.
Morticians, you have your directives - tie those shoelaces together.
That would have turned Night of the Living Dead into a heartwarming Jerry Lewis comedy.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:36:11pm |
re: #179 Lidane
But Mandela was a genocidal tyrant that hated white people! Surely he trained everyone who’s come to power after him to keep up the mass slaughter and necklacing of white people.
/////
Yep. And George and Laura Bush are still joining the POTUS and FLOTUS to attend Mandela’s memorial this Tuesday.
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:36:19pm |
re: #180 dog philosopher
i look forward to her searing exposé of mother teresa
Hitch has been there, done that.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:37:22pm |
re: #131 b_sharp
Central heating - useful feature for non-commercial housing or socialist plot?
Discuss.
Fred, WIlma, Pebbles & Bambam would LOVE to have more than a fire!
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:41:35pm |
Best Freep Thread Title Ever:
“Coincidence? Billy Graham&Nelson Mandela Born 4 Months Apart. Graham Now In Grave Condition.”
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:42:35pm |
My son has been invited to deliver the opening prayer at the Alabama State House on Feb. 25, 2014.
It’s kind of rare for a rabbi to be offered this honor, maybe Deb would know how many other rabbis have appeared.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:42:35pm |
re: #187 Decatur Deb
Best Freep Thread Title Ever:
“Coincidence? Billy Graham&Nelson Mandela Born 4 Months Apart. Graham Now In Grave Condition.”
That’s some defcon 4 stupid right there.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:43:11pm |
Looks like Michael Beschloss deleted that ‘bombers over Waikiki’ tweet.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:43:18pm |
re: #188 Lord of the Pies
My son has been invited to deliver the opening prayer at the Alabama State House on Feb. 24, 2014.
It’s kind of rare for a rabbi to be offered this honor, maybe Deb would know how many other rabbis have appeared.
Congrats. Very cool
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:43:25pm |
Been back to the shop, playing with a different setup for fire photography. Paged if you like.
A collaboration of 2 registered lizards. Myself and Leftwingconspirator.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:43:35pm |
re: #181 PT Barnum
I’ve given up trying to keep up with video games. I download a lot of classic stuff from gog.com and am getting back into board gaming and table top rpg via virtual tables like roll20, gametableonline.com and vassal
I keep up with them by default, since the boyfriend is a big gamer. I was a pretty active gamer years ago, especially in terms of MMOs, but grad school pretty much killed that. School was a priority over everything else. These days, very few games catch my eye and the ones that do tend to be episodic, or smaller indie games.
I’ve thought about getting into board gaming. Seems fun.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:44:39pm |
re: #160 Charles Johnson
He was a racist who hated White people
I challenge her to find anyone who had more reason to do so, yet actively repudiated the thought as he did.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:45:20pm |
re: #188 Lord of the Pies
My son has been invited to deliver the opening prayer at the Alabama State House on Feb. 25, 2014.
It’s kind of rare for a rabbi to be offered this honor, maybe Deb would know how many other rabbis have appeared.
I’ll dig around. Don’t expect a minyan.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:46:11pm |
“Ted Koppel said, ‘Well, now, the Communists…' Mandela said, ‘They were the only ones who helped us. Next question.’” http://t.co/yYS2hJgyO4— John Edwin Mason (@johnedwinmason) December 7, 2013
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:47:18pm |
re: #161 Charles Johnson
Strange - when I met Mandela he sure didn’t give any sign that he hated me.
Remember when Nelson Mandela ordered the imprisonment of white Afrikaaners, the confiscation of all their property, and then the mass executions?
Me neither.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:48:32pm |
re: #170 Gus
I don’t like the ANC. But SA is still a constitutional republic with free elections.
Yeah, that’s my feeling to. Angels and demons are very rare. Everyone else is imperfect to varying degrees.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:49:25pm |
“Next question.” So much in those two words.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:49:59pm |
re: #193 Lidane
I keep up with them by default, since the boyfriend is a big gamer. I was a pretty active gamer years ago, especially in terms of MMOs, but grad school pretty much killed that. School was a priority over everything else. These days, very few games catch my eye and the ones that do tend to be episodic, or smaller indie games.
I’ve thought about getting into board gaming. Seems fun.
I started with Paper and Pencil RPGs back in the 70s and played through high school and college. Took 20 years off and then got back into it now that the virtual tables have gotten so good. I run a game Saturday nights on Roll 20 that’s been going for over a year. Game Table Online is really good. I am a charter member so I have a lifetime membership. Vassal is good because they have a lot of modules for card and board games which are really fun.
I have discovered that if you started with Video game RPGs, Paper and Pencil is a poor substitute, but if you started with Pencil and Paper you tend to feel the same way about Video
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lawhawk Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:50:44pm |
re: #196 Charles Johnson
It was the same thing with Egypt. Nasser looked to build the dam at Aswan, but the US didn’t totally trust Nasser, so he turned to the Soviets to get the dam built (Dulles had thought that without US support, the dam project wouldn’t get done - he was wrong on that count) That began a long relationship between the Soviets and the Egyptians that ultimately ended decades later.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:51:44pm |
This is my shocked face:
Hate Group Westboro Baptist Church Says They Are Going to Picket Mandela’s Funeral http://t.co/zdVT7hxNmt via @politicususa #p2 #p2b #ctl— Jason Easley (@politicususa) December 8, 2013
I would love to see them try, especially in SA.
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:53:20pm |
WTFITS
HURR HURR
You r an AMERICAN PATRIOT or a supporter of TYRANNY aka BarryHussein You can NOT b both pic.twitter.com/VTgrCHYCfu #UniteBlue @ladymacbeth1212— Kristen Snow-White (@kcSnowWhite7) December 8, 2013
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:53:29pm |
Ted Koppel said, ‘Well, now, the Communists…’ Mandela said, ‘They were the only ones who helped us. Next question.’ http://t.co/8XHgb6BMxe— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 8, 2013
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:54:33pm |
#RacismEndedWhen Sarah Palin redfined 'slavery' and Rick Santorum redefined 'apartheid' http://t.co/mGcDOJUz35 pic.twitter.com/7dhgx1OL7j— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) December 8, 2013
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:54:48pm |
re: #196 Charles Johnson
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Everything they hate about Mandela either came about because they refused to stop support apartheid or he had no direct hand in. Soviet-backed? The West refused to help them. Terrorists? Most of the attacks and violence they associate with him came after he was already in prison. And if they’d been US-backed, we’d call them “freedom fighters.”
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:55:11pm |
re: #202 Lidane
This is my shocked face:
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I would love to see them try, especially in SA.
I would think that the response would be a lot stronger than the usual outrage.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:56:47pm |
re: #202 Lidane
This is my shocked face:
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I would love to see them try, especially in SA.
Not sure, but I’m pretty sure that the SA doesn’t have protections in their laws for the sort of shit the Westboro nimrods get up to.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:58:06pm |
re: #201 lawhawk
It was the same thing with Egypt. Nasser looked to build the dam at Aswan, but the US didn’t totally trust Nasser, so he turned to the Soviets to get the dam built (Dulles had thought that without US support, the dam project wouldn’t get done - he was wrong on that count) That began a long relationship between the Soviets and the Egyptians that ultimately ended decades later.
We’re still dealing with the long-term after-effects of anti-Communist paranoia - the US sowed a lot of seeds of distrust among oppressed people, not just in South Africa, because of the deals we made with truly horrible people.
Whether it was worth it or not is another question.
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dog philosopher Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:58:08pm |
re: #184 Gus
Yep. And George and Laura Bush are still joining the POTUS and FLOTUS to attend Mandela’s memorial this Tuesday.
according to freepers everybody knows w was really a freekin libberul
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:58:53pm |
Tea Partyists say we should take up arms against Obama for making the US a socialist hell-hole, but Mandela was supposed to be polite and ask nicely that his government stop murdering people and please let them vote.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 5:59:26pm |
re: #211 wrenchwench
Tea Partyists say we should take up arms against Obama for making the US a socialist hell-hole, but Mandela was supposed to be polite and ask nicely that his government stop murdering people and please let them vote.
But he was a ni-CLANG so it doesn’t count.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:00:15pm |
re: #208 Targetpractice
Not sure, but I’m pretty sure that the SA doesn’t have protections in their laws for the sort of shit the Westboro nimrods get up to.
They don’t. Hate speech is outlawed there. At the very least, they’d get arrested. At worst, they’d get stabbed by the crowd before the cops arrested them.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:01:34pm |
re: #213 Lidane
They don’t. Hate speech is outlawed there. At the very least, they’d get arrested. At worst, they’d get stabbed.
Stabbed I’m not okay with, but…well, I’ll not finish that thought so as to keep within the bounds of LGF rules.
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GeneJockey Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:02:51pm |
re: #211 wrenchwench
Tea Partyists say we should take up arms against Obama for making the US a socialist hell-hole, but Mandela was supposed to be polite and ask nicely that his government stop murdering people and please let them vote.
White person who takes up arms/threatens to take up arms to win/defend his rights = patriot.
Black/brown person who takes up arms/threatens to take up arms to win/defend his rights = terrorist.
Does this clarify it?
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jaunte Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:04:21pm |
re: #203 Lord of the Pies
WTFITS
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That’s the new AR-15 tricorne with a picatinny brim.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:04:44pm |
re: #215 GeneJockey
White person who takes up arms/threatens to take up arms to win/defend his rights = patriot.
Black/brown person who takes up arms/threatens to take up arms to win/defend his rights = terrorist.
Does this clarify it?
Oh, they like the second group, so long as they’re on the CIA’s bankroll.
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:05:00pm |
re: #214 Targetpractice
Stabbed I’m not okay with, but…well, I’ll not finish that thought so as to keep within the bounds of LGF rules.
I’d settle for atomic power wedgies all around, or is that going too far.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:05:21pm |
Well, I sure never owned occupied that much bottom comment real estate before. Glad that’s a rare occurrence. Ah well lesson learned.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:06:23pm |
re: #214 Targetpractice
Stabbed I’m not okay with, but…well, I’ll not finish that thought so as to keep within the bounds of LGF rules.
They’re assholes, but I wouldn’t wish them physical harm. Especially since that’s what they want so they can play the martyr. But the reality is that going to South Africa to protest Mandela’s funeral would lead to an arrest or someone in the crowd not taking kindly to their presence, and not having any fear of reprisal.
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:06:58pm |
re: #218 PT Barnum
I’d settle for atomic power wedgies all around, or is that going too far.
I think atomic power wedgies are within bounds. Swirlies are beyond the pale however. There is a limit that civilized people just don’t cross.
RBS
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:07:58pm |
re: #221 RealityBasedSteve
I think atomic power wedgies are within bounds. Swirlies are beyond the pale however. There is a limit that civilized people just don’t cross.
RBS
My wife asked my son if she should get me a snuggie (one of those blankets with sleeves) He said “Is that anything like a wedgie? Cause I don’t think Dad would like that.”
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:09:43pm |
re: #222 PT Barnum
My wife asked my son if she should get me a snuggie (one of those blankets with sleeves) He said “Is that anything like a wedgie? Cause I don’t think Dad would like that.”
I literally LOLd repeatedly on that one. That’s one smart kid.
RBS
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:10:40pm |
re: #188 Lord of the Pies
My son has been invited to deliver the opening prayer at the Alabama State House on Feb. 25, 2014.
It’s kind of rare for a rabbi to be offered this honor, maybe Deb would know how many other rabbis have appeared.
Encyclopedia Judaica wasn’t much help. They managed a couple pages on “Alabama Jewish History” without mentioning the Klan. On the upside they have this:
In 1995, Governor Fob James paid tribute to Israel in his inauguration, with the singing of “Hatikvah” and the blowing of the shofar by a Jerusalem rabbi. In 1999, Don Siegelman, a Catholic, was elected governor, making his wife, Lori, the state’s first Jewish First Lady.
(Don’t know their definitions, but they count fewer than 9,000 Jews in Alabama. No wonder we can’t get a decent pastrami.)
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BeenHereAwhile Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:11:02pm |
re: #183 Decatur Deb
That would have turned Night of the Living Dead into a heartwarming Jerry Lewis comedy.
Some of the scenes (slow walking oblivious to obstructions like doors & windows) in ‘The Night Of The Living Dead’ reminded me of some of the fraternity parties I attended in college.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:11:04pm |
Even fucking Noot Gingrich gets it.
Patrick Henry said, “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Thomas Jefferson wrote and the Continental Congress adopted that “all men are created equal, and they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
Doesn’t this apply to Nelson Mandela and his people?
Some conservatives say, ah, but he was a communist.
Actually Mandela was raised in a Methodist school, was a devout Christian, turned to communism in desperation only after South Africa was taken over by an extraordinarily racist government determined to eliminate all rights for blacks.
I would ask of his critics: where were some of these conservatives as allies against tyranny? Where were the masses of conservatives opposing Apartheid? In a desperate struggle against an overpowering government, you accept the allies you have just as Washington was grateful for a French monarchy helping him defeat the British.
Finally, if you had been imprisoned for 27 years, 18 of them in a cell eight foot by seven foot, how do you think you would have emerged? Would you have been angry? Would you have been bitter?
Nelson Mandela emerged from 27 years in prison as an astonishingly wise, patient, and compassionate person.
Still doesn’t deserve a link. I’m sure you can find it if need be,
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PT Barnum Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:11:34pm |
re: #223 RealityBasedSteve
I literally LOLd repeatedly on that one. That’s one smart kid.
RBS
He makes me laugh a lot. He’s in the local community theatre production of “Best Christmas Pageant Ever” and the pictures they’ve posted are priceless. He has a very expressive face. I’m going to be disappointed if I can’t go to the matinee tomorrow because it gets snowed out.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:12:07pm |
re: #187 Decatur Deb
Best Freep Thread Title Ever:
“Coincidence? Billy Graham&Nelson Mandela Born 4 Months Apart. Graham Now In Grave Condition.”
The fact that they are (and, in Mandela’s case, were) 95 years old surely has nothing to do with it.
/
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:13:08pm |
re: #206 Targetpractice
Everything they hate about Mandela either came about because they refused to stop support apartheid or he had no direct hand in. Soviet-backed? The West refused to help them. Terrorists? Most of the attacks and violence they associate with him came >after he was already in prison. And if they’d been US-backed, we’d call them “freedom fighters.”
Contras.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:14:24pm |
re: #226 wrenchwench
Even fucking Noot Gingrich gets it.
Still doesn’t deserve a link. I’m sure you can find it if need be,
ZOMG! [Faints]
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Interesting Times Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:20:31pm |
re: #226 wrenchwench
Even fucking Noot Gingrich gets it.
Still doesn’t deserve a link. I’m sure you can find it if need be,
That’s rich, given all the blather from gingrich about Obama and his “anti-colonialist” views.
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:21:02pm |
re: #222 PT Barnum
My wife asked my son if she should get me a snuggie (one of those blankets with sleeves) He said “Is that anything like a wedgie? Cause I don’t think Dad would like that.”
My 90 year old mother loves her Snuggie!
All her 90 year old girlfriends love their Snuggies!
They love them so much because they can TURN THE HEAT DOWN TO 55 and still be toasty warm!!!!!
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:22:31pm |
re: #226 wrenchwench
Even fucking Noot Gingrich gets it.
Still doesn’t deserve a link. I’m sure you can find it if need be,
Unless I see him say all of that on tape, I don’t trust Newt to have repudiated his fellow throwbacks like that.
There’s still a presidential run or two left in him and money to be made fleecing the flock, even if he has fallen out of favor a bit.
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:22:38pm |
Glenn Greenwald’s #1 fan retweeted this:
“I think the Jewish state was a mistake…Israel is contributing to anti-Semitism…” Howard Zinn #EndOccupation pic.twitter.com/ntANfbkgcA— Mirna Miranda (@MirandaMirna) December 8, 2013
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darthstar Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:24:27pm |
Hey everyone…it’s nine degrees outside, but the wife, dogs, and myself are nice and warm in our ski house.
Image: 1468680_10152081804293024_504628036_n.jpg
Yep…those are her feet…cute, right?
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:25:03pm |
re: #233 AlexRogan
Unless I see him say all of that on tape, I don’t trust Newt to have repudiated his fellow throwbacks like that.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:27:22pm |
re: #232 Lord of the Pies
Polartec Windbloc helps me keep me heater off. llbean.com
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:28:53pm |
re: #237 PhillyPretzel
Polartec Windbloc helps me keep me heater off. llbean.com
Fortunately my mom lives in LA so she can turn the heat down all she wants. But it does get cold at night up where she lives.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:33:07pm |
re: #234 Lord of the Pies
Glenn Greenwald’s #1 fan retweeted this:
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Well, i just sent ole’ Glenn a link he won’t like:
@ggreenwald New government spy plane revealed to be operating out of Area 51 http://t.co/eLb19UJ3Qp via @sharethis
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) December 8, 2013
DROONNNNES!!!11
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:33:07pm |
I think I need to keep this one handy…
— Animal Planet (@MeetAnimals) December 8, 2013
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:33:10pm |
re: #209 Charles Johnson
We’re still dealing with the long-term after-effects of anti-Communist paranoia - the US sowed a lot of seeds of distrust among oppressed people, not just in South Africa, because of the deals we made with truly horrible people.
Whether it was worth it or not is another question.
The GWOT may be distorting our reputationpolicies as much as the cold war ever did.
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:39:28pm |
6th Letter! @wikileaks apologize for what you've done to me #JulianApologize #Assange #WikiLeaks #Share pic.twitter.com/goGwJtr7q5— Geysar Gurbanov (@geysar) December 6, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:39:57pm |
re: #209 Charles Johnson
We’re still dealing with the long-term after-effects of anti-Communist paranoia - the US sowed a lot of seeds of distrust among oppressed people, not just in South Africa, because of the deals we made with truly horrible people.
Whether it was worth it or not is another question.
But in the cases of Angola and Mozambique it wasn’t paranoia, the post independence governments of both nations openly sided with the Soviet Union. That left South Africa with two nations in the Soviet bloc in its vicinity. South Africa also possesses mines for gold and diamonds that we did not want to fall under the control of Soviet-backed government.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:40:59pm |
re: #236 Gus
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ww’s Newt quote and what he said in that video didn’t exactly jibe, but the gist was there.
Knock me over with a feather.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:42:08pm |
re: #241 Political Atheist
The GWOT may be distorting our reputation as much as the cold war ever did.
This is true.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:43:01pm |
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:48:18pm |
re: #241 Political Atheist
The GWOT may be distorting our
reputationpolicies as much as the cold war ever did.
re: #245 Charles Johnson
This is true.
And both of them largely driven by war hawks eager to start shit (or who invoke the spectre of Someone Else starting shit) and who are just as eager to enrich their friends in the defense industry.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:48:46pm |
Fox News: Rich people paying rich people to tell middle class people to blame poor people pic.twitter.com/zsuPYeuNQt #RaiseTheWage
— Kennett Area Dems (@KennettDems) December 8, 2013
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Lord of the Pies Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:51:15pm |
This is the most WTF Godwin that I have ever seen:
You didn't build that Nazi Party Adolf, sez Prez Obama, Another Fascist Insect made that happen! #lnyhbt pic.twitter.com/tFiaLLX2QD— TIMENOUT (@TIMENOUT) November 22, 2013
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:53:25pm |
Fireplace: http://t.co/FF7IzRFxwB— Gus (@Gus_802) December 8, 2013
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 6:55:24pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
But in the cases of Angola and Mozambique it wasn’t paranoia, the post independence governments of both nations openly sided with the Soviet Union. That left South Africa with two nations in the Soviet bloc in its vicinity. South Africa also possesses mines for gold and diamonds that we did not want to fall under the control of Soviet-backed government.
Yeah, it seems other regional conflicts were a factor in the “constructive engagement” policy.
The policy’s architect, Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Chester Crocker, designed it to link the independence of South African-occupied Namibia to an easing of the arms embargo against South Africa and the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:04:40pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
But in the cases of Angola and Mozambique it wasn’t paranoia, the post independence governments of both nations openly sided with the Soviet Union. That left South Africa with two nations in the Soviet bloc in its vicinity. South Africa also possesses mines for gold and diamonds that we did not want to fall under the control of Soviet-backed government.
I don’t really consider that a good reason to support apartheid.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:06:59pm |
Hey, the neighboring African countries are allying with the Soviet Union (after being shunned by the West), so we have to look the other way while an entire population is consigned to camps and third class status?
Sorry. I don’t think this was a good decision at all. It was shameful.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:07:20pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
But in the cases of Angola and Mozambique it wasn’t paranoia, the post independence governments of both nations openly sided with the Soviet Union. That left South Africa with two nations in the Soviet bloc in its vicinity. South Africa also possesses mines for gold and diamonds that we did not want to fall under the control of Soviet-backed government.
re: #251 Killgore Trout
Yeah, it seems other regional conflicts were a factor in the “constructive engagement” policy.
“Constructive engagement” was complete realpolitik horseshit, Dark.
However, that’s not to say that what did eventually happen with the release of Mandela, his ascendance to the SA presidency, and the reconciliation between blacks and whites post-apartheid would have happened the same way had it occurred years earlier; I’d hope that it would have, but no one has a crystal ball.
That said, the US (and the Soviets) fucked over a lot of people and their countries by playing the Cold War global chess game of “who’s got the biggest swinging dick?”; now, we’ve been doing it all over again since 9/11 in the GWOT, with plenty of blood and treasure needlessly lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:08:15pm |
WND Polls Readers On Whether Mandela Should Have Been Released From Prison
A web poll on the conservative site WND asked readers on Friday to “assess the life and work of Nelson Mandela” and included several responses that criticized or mocked the deceased South African leader.
The answer that led the poll with WND readers on Friday evening described Mandela as a “violent communist revolutionary who never should have been released from prison.”
Other options included calling Mandela “a great revolutionary leader - in the tradition of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Che Guevara and Nicolae Ceausescu,” and a prediction that there would be “a racial bloodbath” after his death.
Another selection suggested “one of his greatest accomplishments was having a species of spiders named after him.”
Along with the critical poll answers, there were some that praised Mandela’s legacy. Those responses ranked low in the poll results as of Friday evening.
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:13:23pm |
re: #255 Lidane
WND Polls Readers On Whether Mandela Should Have Been Released From Prison
LGF Poll on Joseph Farahs, publisher of WND, Moustache
It looks like…
a. A very creepy caterpillar
b. Something that belongs on an 70’s porn star
c. Part of his soul trying to escape
d. A desperate attempt to look ‘manly’
Just as valid as theirs.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:14:20pm |
re: #255 Lidane
WND Polls Readers On Whether Mandela Should Have Been Released From Prison
My surprise, let me show it.
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AlexRogan Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:18:21pm |
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Amory Blaine Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:21:06pm |
Ceausescu practiced austerity and plunged his country into a depression while outlawing abortion.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:21:52pm |
WND poll reveals WND readers can’t locate South Africa on a map.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:24:21pm |
re: #261 Gus
WND poll reveals WND readers can’t locate South Africa on a map.
It’s easy, just go to the Vatican and turn right.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:25:08pm |
re: #260 Amory Blaine
Ceausescu practiced austerity and plunged his country into a depression while outlawing abortion.
Not only that, but women that gave birth to least five children got tons of benefits, and if they had ten or more kids, they were officially called heroines by the Romanian government.
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:26:54pm |
re: #263 Lidane
Not only that, but women that gave birth to least five children got tons of benefits, and if they had ten or more kids, they were officially called heroines by the Romanian government.
Yea, but it’s ok, since they were of the caucasian persuasion.
RBS
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:30:41pm |
re: #264 RealityBasedSteve
Yea, but it’s ok, since they were of the caucasian persuasion.
RBS
Well, true.
Ceaucescu also made divorce next to impossible and rejected foreign aid. You’d think the RWNJs would love him.
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:31:17pm |
re: #252 Charles Johnson
I don’t really consider that a good reason to support apartheid.
I think DF is simply demonstrating to you his personal long-term after-effects of anti-Communist paranoia
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:38:56pm |
Ceausescu was executed on Christmas Day.
Interesting.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:40:32pm |
re: #266 bratwurst
I think DF is simply demonstrating to you his personal long-term after-effects of being raised with anti-Communist paranoia
FTFY
I notice that among my conservative friends that are close to my age. We all grew up in the later years of the Cold War, but they grew up taking all the anti-commie rants literally.
My mother rarely, if ever, discussed politics. My stepdad was conservative, but aside from his magazines around the house, he didn’t talk to me about what to believe. It just was what it was. Maybe that made a difference with me?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:40:38pm |
re: #256 RealityBasedSteve
LGF Poll on Joseph Farahs, publisher of WND, Moustache
It looks like…
a. A very creepy caterpillar
b. Something that belongs on an 70’s porn star
c. Part of his soul trying to escape
d. A desperate attempt to look ‘manly’
e. Rand PaulJust as valid as theirs.
Edited.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:50:04pm |
It really does seem to tear them up something fierce, the idea that they might actually have to acknowledge that history shows that the liberal icon, not St. Reagan, was the one who steered South Africa into a peaceful, post-apartheid existence.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:53:50pm |
re: #266 bratwurst
I think DF is simply demonstrating to you his personal long-term after-effects of anti-Communist paranoia
I’m saying that its not paranoia if they’re really out to get you, and the threat of communism in southern Africa was real. Does that justify apartheid? No.
But military aid and trade to South Africa wasn’t seen in terms of propping up apartheid, not at the top of the Reagan administration (though it was recognized as one of the effects). South Africa’s army was bleeding communist force in Namibia and Angola, and Reagan’s strategy was to bleed the Soviet Union and its allies wherever possible in order to weaken the USSR, reduce its threat, and hopefully hasten its demise (that subsequent demise ultimately happened faster that Reagan’s policy team had dared hope.)
But that’s only what the objectives were. Whether it was all justified is a question for each person here to answer for themselves. I’m not going to engage that question any further, save to note that the superpower collision in southern Africa was a bloody affair, and South Africa itself was very lucky to have Nelson Mandela waiting at the end of it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 7:59:29pm |
re: #255 Lidane
WND Polls Readers On Whether Mandela Should Have Been Released From Prison
Also there, Tom Tancredo uses the occasion of Mandela’s death to attack Barack Obama yet again. Tancredo calls Obama a “street hustler”, which is to accuse the Obama of being a part of the street criminal culture he actively worked against in Chicago back in the 1980’s.
As ever, Tom Tancredo shows himself to be a dishonest asshole.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:01:26pm |
All of this living in the past. Reagan’s gone. The Soviet Union is gone. Fortunately South Africa was never sucked into the Soviet system.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:02:32pm |
PSA
If you're a boxing fan, turn on HBO now. Kirkland-Tapia fight may be the best of the year so far. #hboboxing
— Andy Carvin (@acarvin) December 8, 2013
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:09:07pm |
This won’t go over well.
Calif. health exchange shares data without consent
The California health exchange says it’s been giving the names of tens of thousands of consumers to insurance agents without their permission or knowledge in an effort to hit deadlines for coverage.
The consumers in question had gone online to research insurance options but didn’t ask to be contacted, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday (lat.ms ).
Officials with Covered California, the exchange set up in response to the federal health law, said they began providing names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses if available this week in a pilot program. They said they thought it would help people meet a Dec. 23 deadline to have health insurance in place by Jan. 1.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:12:48pm |
The Soviets were baking the ANC for cynical purposes. That being Soviet expansionism. That they backed the ANC which would in part end apartheid was an accessory to the history if not coincidental.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:14:58pm |
re: #276 Gus
The Soviet were baking the ANC for cynical purposes. That being Soviet expansionism. That they backed the ANC which would in part end apartheid was an accessory to the history if not coincidental.
And we back the Saudis because camel racing is cool.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:15:59pm |
Wow, @rsmccain's really feelin' the hate for Nelson Mandela tonight. Don't hold back, Stacy. Let it all hang out.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 8, 2013
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RealityBasedSteve Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:17:11pm |
I’ve got to go clean up the workshop, here is an iconic Blues Brothers scene given the LEGO treatment
Night Lizardom. Sleep Tight.
RBS
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:17:34pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:20:40pm |
@Todd9904 Charles Johnson is to blogging what Lee Harvey Oswald was to rifles. @instapundit— Robert Stacy McCain (@rsmccain) December 8, 2013
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jaunte Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:22:14pm |
re: #281 Charles Johnson
I’ll take incomprehensible similes for $200, Alex.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:23:07pm |
re: #282 jaunte
I’ll take incomprehensible similes for $200, Alex.
Incomprehensible as a man starting a long journey without a good book.
;)
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:23:16pm |
re: #281 Charles Johnson
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WTF is that all about? I think RS McCain must be spending far too much time reading this blog.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:24:02pm |
re: #279 RealityBasedSteve
I’ve got to go clean up the workshop, here is an iconic Blues Brothers scene given the LEGO treatment
Night Lizardom. Sleep Tight.
RBS
Not nearly as funny as the real thing, there’s no sense of speed to it the cars are moving too slow for it to be as funny a them barreling through a shopping mall like in the movie.
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Patricia Kayden Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:27:17pm |
re: #160 Charles Johnson
Apart from being a douche, who is she?
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Belafon Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:28:31pm |
re: #285 jamesfirecat
yeah, cause the point of this is to capture the same feeling as the original.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:29:00pm |
re: #284 Gus
WTF is that all about? I think RS McCain must be spending far too much time reading this blog.
Probably a stalker thing.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:29:47pm |
Wait. Let me guess. JFK was anti-communist therefore he would have supported the apartheid government of SA just like Reagan, EIEIO, something, something.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:30:09pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:31:00pm |
re: #289 Gus
Wait. Let me guess. JFK was anti-communist therefore he would have supported the apartheid government of SA just like Reagan, EIEIO, something, something.
Pertty much.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:31:58pm |
re: #277 Decatur Deb
And we back the Saudis because camel racing is cool.
The Riverside County Fair (also known as the Indio Date Festival) has camel races, it is indeed cool. Not quite as cool as the Ostrich races, but still.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:32:44pm |
The legend of Reagan has swelled to consume JFK. Also MLK was a republican.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:33:06pm |
FSU wins the ACC, which they assure you is a real conference and not just a cardboard cutout painted to look like a conference now go away.
— sir broosk (@celebrityhottub) December 8, 2013
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Single-handed sailor Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:33:28pm |
re: #281 Charles Johnson
an expert?
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:33:46pm |
re: #293 Amory Blaine
The legend of Reagan has swelled to consume JFK. Also MLK was a republican.
So was Mandela.
In some circles.
Or some such nonsense.
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:36:14pm |
Cripes. These stupid old war bloggers from 2001-2003. They haven’t changed one bit. Such a strange crew.
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Patricia Kayden Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:39:16pm |
re: #220 Lidane
They’re assholes, but I wouldn’t wish them physical harm. Especially since that’s what they want so they can play the martyr. But the reality is that going to South Africa to protest Mandela’s funeral would lead to an arrest or someone in the crowd not taking kindly to their presence, and not having any fear of reprisal.
Why should the South African government allow them to travel there under any circumstances? They can keep their foolishness in the US where their type of “free speech” is allowed and encouraged. Not every country has the same definition of free speech as the US..
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Kragar Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:40:20pm |
@rsmccain is to writing what Uwe Boll is to directing @Green_Footballs @Todd9904 @instapundit— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 8, 2013
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:40:39pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:41:22pm |
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Kragar Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:41:55pm |
re: #301 Targetpractice
>OUCH!
Got to figure someone somewhere is using RSM as a tax write off. Its the only thing that makes sense.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:42:57pm |
re: #303 Kragar
Got to figure someone somewhere is using RSM as a tax write off. Its the only thing that makes sense.
Yeah, but you still owe Uwe an apology for associating him with that douchebag.
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Kragar Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:43:54pm |
re: #304 Targetpractice
Yeah, but you still owe Uwe an apology for associating him with that douchebag.
As soon as he apologizes for Alone in the Dark.
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Varek Raith Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:43:56pm |
re: #304 Targetpractice
Yeah, but you still owe Uwe an apology for associating him with that douchebag.
…
No.
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:45:48pm |
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Kragar Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:47:31pm |
re: #307 Targetpractice
No fair asking the impossible.
We need an actress to play a museum curator and archaeologist.
Tara Reid?
BRILLIANT!
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Targetpractice Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:49:43pm |
re: #308 Kragar
We need an actress to play a museum curator and archaeologist.
Tara Reid?
BRILLIANT!
“Okay Christian, we want you to be as douchy as possible for this next scene…and every one after it.”
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Gus Sat, Dec 7, 2013 8:53:35pm |
.@Kragar_LGF @Green_Footballs THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN! [Banjos] pic.twitter.com/bjcuH8Hhn4— Gus (@Gus_802) December 8, 2013
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