Overnight Animation: Reaping for Dummies

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This is the graduation-project made by a group of five students from the 3D design and animation course at Idèfagskolen in Tønsberg Norway. The short film featured here was in production between october 2012 - July 2013. With a few tweaks here and there until the soundscape was in place. The music and sound job was completed in December by a carefully selected third party.

The team behind the production are:
Jonas Martin Larsen
Øyvind Fiksdal
Eilef Sandnæs
Eskild Carlsen
& Yvonne Engbråten

Music Composed by: Joel Forssell
Sound design by: Peder Jørgensen

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1 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 9:53:50pm

Is just not opening the door an option?

2 teleskiguy  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:02:57pm

Saw this in my sister’s Facebook feed:

8 Photos You Didn’t See From Obama’s Trip to South Africa

3 austin_blue  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:06:42pm

And here’s an article for our own Lizard King. Hope you like it, Charles! And thanks for all you do for this community.

nytimes.com

4 Kragar  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:15:24pm
5 austin_blue  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:30:24pm

re: #4 Kragar

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The ACA requires that existing insurance policies that don’t meet the minimum baselines for coverage have to be dropped in 2015, not this year. So I do pray for him/her because his/her insurance company is fucking him/her up the ass by jumping the gun.

This is not the fault of the ACA. This is the fault of his/her insurer.

Then again, we all know it’s a bullshit, snark post anyway. Note the source!

Obama is so evil that if he walked across the Potomac it would only be because he is too lazy and shiftless (nudge nudge wink wink) to swim!

6 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:50:00pm

re: #4 Kragar

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Hold on.

The Government forced his insurance company to quit a market?

7 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:51:52pm

re: #4 Kragar

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Well gee Jim, thank God that the ACA prevents the insurers that will be staying in your state from barring you on the grounds of pre-existing conditions, else your ass would be SOL.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 12:58:44am

Nobody was asking anyone to pray for the 40 million Americans who were uninsured before ACA…

9 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 1:29:55am
10 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 2:43:30am

Here is a webcam in Kiev showing demonstrators, of whom I think there are far less than the 7,000+ currently watching the Ustream.

webcam.guru.ua

This is not The Revolution.

11 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 2:50:09am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Saw this in my sister’s Facebook feed:

8 Photos You Didn’t See From Obama’s Trip to South Africa

But they’re conspiring! Illuminati New World Order False Flag operations!////

So we were right all along!!!!

//////////////////////////

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 3:09:27am

re: #10 Justanotherhuman

Here is a webcam in Kiev showing demonstrators, of whom I think there are far less than the 7,000+ currently watching the Ustream.

webcam.guru.ua

This is not The Revolution.

Part of this results from the all the delayed fallout that arose aftger the completely chaotic breakup of the USSR, which left millions of ethic Russians stranded beyond the borders of Russia.

They used to enjoy priveleged status in the other Republics, now they find themselves being discrimiated against in many cases.

I worked for a company in Moscow in the 90’s, we sold a filling line to a Ukranian distillery. After the Russian banks refused to accept payment in Ukrainian Grivny, they finally just sent us 2,000 bottles of cognac that we had to unload on the (semi-) black market.

13 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 3:22:27am

re: #12 Sol Berdinowitz

Part of this results from the all the delayed fallout that arose aftger the completely chaotic breakup of the USSR, which left millions of ethic Russians stranded beyond the borders of Russia.

They used to enjoy priveleged status in the other Republics, now they find themselves being discrimiated against in many cases.

I worked for a company in Moscow in the 90’s, we sold a filling line to a Ukranian distillery. After the Russian banks refused to accept payment in Ukrainian Grivny, they finally just sent us 2,000 bottles of cognac that we had to unload on the (semi-) black market.

Seems like I remember reading something about Russian vodka being brought into Ukraine, also, and the resistance to it.

Does it really matter, though, when other foreigners are moving in to own the vodka industry anyway? They obviously have the funding to do it.

thedrinksbusiness.com

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 3:27:24am

Vodka and spirits were a state monopoly until the breakup, and the unofficial currency afterwards: it had a nearly unlimited shelf life and was in permanent demand.

Whenever I saw Moldavian or Georgian red wine being offered at a street market, I bought up as much as i could carry home.

15 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 3:58:23am

I have so little income it’s not hard to keep up with it. My “bills” consist of 5 checks sent out at the beginning of the month, including rent. It’s one reason I don’t pay bills online. My SS check is direct deposited. But I violated my own rule when I allowed my grandson to use my debit card to buy a month’s trial subscription to a game for $14.99 (they would not accept his co issued debit card and he just had to have the game. And he paid me back. But to my chagrin, they repeated the withdrawal this month and I got another letter from the fraud unit at my bank which viewed it as a suspicious purchase. Only $14.99, but hell bell’s, why should I just give away my money?

My grandson said it was a “reputable gaming company” and he didn’t see the notice that said they would deduct 2 payments anyway even if you cancelled after the first payment.

My bank said I should just get another debit card, which I’ll probably do.

Never again. I’m getting too old to put up with this kind of internet bullshit. Much simpler to go with what I know—sending checks in a timely fashion, and swiping the debit card for purchases in a brick & mortar, or just withdrawing cash from the bank. That way I retain total control of my money, not some company. Besides, I like to see what I’m buying—why bother with purchasing something, unseen except on a screen, and having to return it when it’s not up to your expectations, and perhaps not even getting your money back?

16 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:47:26am

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

My grandson said it was a “reputable gaming company” and he didn’t see the notice that said they would deduct 2 payments anyway even if you cancelled after the first payment.

yeah. My son (19 y/o) had two or three recurring charges via his debit/ credit acct. 2 for online games and 1 for downloadable music (iirc). It was a hassle canceling one of them as I recall

17 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:49:01am

re: #16 sattv4u2

My grandson said it was a “reputable gaming company” and he didn’t see the notice that said they would deduct 2 payments anyway even if you cancelled after the first payment.

yeah. My son (19 y/o) had two or three recurring charges via his debit/ credit acct. 2 for online games and 1 for downloadable music (iirc). It was a hassle canceling one of them as I recall

I imagine it’s quite the profit center, that “fine print”.

18 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:51:23am

I don’t let my kids—or my husband— use my CC/CD numbers for anything. If they need money for something, I might give it to them or not. I will send them money through PayPal.

Even though they promise to pay me back, I don’t expect them to, and they don’t.

Now if I could just figure out a way to get my 30-year-old son, who lives in Florida with his wife & kid, OFF MY PHONE PLAN.

Yeah I could just call t-Mobile and tell them to remove his number, but that would suck.

19 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:51:45am

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

I imagine it’s quite the profit center, that “fine print”.

There really wasn’t much “fine print”. The problem was more on my son than on the company. Like cell phone services, you pay the month PRIOR to what you’re actually using and he kept missing the “end of month” date to cancel the upcoming month

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:52:26am

What should be this week’s pie?

21 sattv4u2  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:54:46am

re: #20 Lord of the Pies

What should be this week’s pie?

Shepherds
Chicken Pot
3.14159265358979323
,,,, In The Sky
Life Of ,,,,

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:55:29am

Greenwald is losing his shit over something or other.

23 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:57:15am

I’ve been meaning to try a vegan chocolate cream pie.

24 Tim TeaBro  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:58:26am

Facially stupid?

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:06:22am

This is the article that has Glenn’s panties in a bunch.

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:07:20am

re: #24 Tim TeaBro

Facially stupid?

I think it’s a typo of either farcially stupid or factually stupid.

27 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:08:50am

re: #24 Tim TeaBro

Facially stupid?

The look you get on your face when you realize it was a shart

28 Tim TeaBro  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:11:04am

re: #26 Lord of the Pies

I think it’s a typo of either farcially stupid or factually stupid.

Maybe farcically stupid.

29 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:16:22am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Saw this in my sister’s Facebook feed:

8 Photos You Didn’t See From Obama’s Trip to South Africa

As much as I didn’t like W as president, I have to admit he’s probably an OK guy to hang out with, judging from those photos.

30 Tim TeaBro  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:21:14am

This is what Greenwald is worked up about.

The U.S. Government, An Implicated Billionaire, Fortune-Seeking Journalists & A Public in the Dark

The 50,000-pages of documents obtained by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden contain extensive documentation of PayPal Corporation’s partnership and cooperation with the National Security Agency (NSA), according to three NSA veterans. To date, no information has been released as to the extent of the working relationship and cooperation between the two entities- NSA and PayPal Corporation. What’s more, the billionaire owner of PayPal Corporation has entered into a $250 Million business partnership with two journalists-Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, a journalist duo who possess the entire cache of evidence provided by Edward Snowden. Despite earlier pledges by the journalists in question, only one percent (1%) of Snowden’s documents has been released.

I Rec’d this to Charles.

31 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:22:54am

I had to cancel my debit card too. I was in a hurry to pay my cable TV bill online last month. I typed in “Pay your Time Warner Bill Online” in to Google, saw the first link and went to pay my bill. I began the process and after I typed in my card info the next page took me to “set up and account” and I realized, wait…I already have an account. Then I realized I was on a site called Check Bill Pay. Arrgh!!!

So, I panicked, called Time Warner and the person I spoke to said she had never heard of the site. Oh crap!!! I quickly got off the phone with her, called my bank and cancelled the damn debit card. All toll, it took me about 5 minutes to make the mistake and then cancel the card. I then went online to my bank account to see if the transaction went through. Luckily I never saw it dinged. Later that day I had emails from Check welcoming me. I wrote them back and told them I was not interested and not amused.

If you type “Pay Time Warner Bill Online” you’ll see the Check site at the top. As a warning to not do what I did, I’ve attached an image to this comment. Check out how subtle it is. Maybe by telling about my mistake I can help prevent someone else from doing the same. It reminded me that you really have to check the site you are on and you can’t always trust a Google search.

Time Warner Payment Google Search

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:23:26am

re: #30 Tim TeaBro

This is what Greenwald is worked up about.

I Rec’d this to Charles.

I just paged it.

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:28:51am

re: #31 ObserverArt

I had to cancel my debit card too. I was in a hurry to pay my cable TV bill online last month. I typed in “Pay your Time Warner Bill Online” in to Google, saw the first link and went to pay my bill. I began the process and after I typed in my card info the next page took me to “set up and account” and I realized, wait…I already have an account. Then I realized I was on a site called Check Bill Pay. Arrgh!!!

A site where I have made some online purchases was hacked and they warned all their customers to watch out for bogus transactions. I called Bank of America and cancelled my DC.

Then I kept seeing transactions show up from some bookstore in Paris, France. I called BofA and reported it and cancelled my new DC.

Then I got yet another DC AND I AM STILL SEEING THESE BOGUS TRANSACTIONS FROM PARIS FRANCE so I called BofA and I’m like all WTF!!

They said oh yeah we refunded the bogus transactions BUT WE FORGOT TO CANCEL THE DC (this was 2 cancelled DC’s ago).

I have to let BofA know if I am going on vacation because they will cancel my card if I use it outside my area BUT THEY ALLOWED TRANSACTIONS FROM PARIS FUCKING FRANCE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR.

34 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:40:49am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi

As much as I didn’t like W as president, I have to admit he’s probably an OK guy to hang out with, judging from those photos.

I never though he was a Bad Guy himself, but he had an uncanny knack for finding the worst people in the world to take advice from and delegate authority to.

35 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:49:08am

re: #33 Lord of the Pies

A site where I have made some online purchases was hacked and they warned all their customers to watch out for bogus transactions. I called Bank of America and cancelled my DC.

Then I kept seeing transactions show up from some bookstore in Paris, France. I called BofA and reported it and cancelled my new DC.

Then I got yet another DC AND I AM STILL SEEING THESE BOGUS TRANSACTIONS FROM PARIS FRANCE so I called BofA and I’m like all WTF!!

They said oh yeah we refunded the bogus transactions BUT WE FORGOT TO CANCEL THE DC (this was 2 cancelled DC’s ago).

I have to let BofA know if I am going on vacation because they will cancel my card if I use it outside my area BUT THEY ALLOWED TRANSACTIONS FROM PARIS FUCKING FRANCE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR.

I think I would have dumped Bank of America. That is totally screwed up.

I use Huntington Bank…a good ol’ Columbus institution still going, still independent. They have been a great service. Still large enough to have some clout (ranked about mid 30s in the US) and small enough to want to serve its customers.

I had a credit card one time with another bigger Columbus bank, Bank One, which is where Jamie Dimond came from. They were merged into Chase years ago. I had a balance of around $15 after a payment once and they claimed I sent a late payment (mail was slow and the payment was indicated as one day late).

They wanted to charge me a $35 late charge fee. I asked them what has my performance been up that time. They said I was an excellent customer. So, you charge late fees of $35 on an always-on-time customer that has a $15 balance. Yes sir, that is our policy. Well then, I’ll write a check for the $15 remaining balance and send it out today and you can close the account.

About an hour later Chase called me and said they didn’t want to lose my business. I said too late, you already did. They guy said what could they do to get my business back and I said nothing, but you may want to change your policies for your “good customers” so you don’t treat them the way I was treated.

You would think they would have different triggers in their database to help judge what customer to let slide and what ones to get tougher with. And, Bank One, if I remember correctly was the first bank to develop the automatic teller machines way back in the early 80s here in Columbus. SO tech is in the whole Chase history. Too big too care…and I don’t care for them.

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:51:55am

re: #35 ObserverArt

I did not choose to have an account with BofA. I started the account years ago at Standard Federal Bank, which was then eated by Abn Amro, which was then eated by LaSalle Bank, which was then eated by BofA.

Yeah I could transfer my account to the Credit Union across the street but then I would have to pay ATM fees everywhere.

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:54:26am

re: #35 ObserverArt

You would think they would have different triggers in their database to help judge what customer to let slide and what ones to get tougher with.

Yeah they do. Customers with more than $1 million in their accounts can slide.

38 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:55:44am

Mornin’ Lizards. 23 with a wind chill of 11 right now in NYC. December tends to have higher average temperatures than January or February. At this rate, I’m not sure I want to know how bad it’s going to be a month from now.

On another note, more words from Pope Francis:

Pope attacks mega-salaries and wealth gap in peace message

So not only did the hysterical reaction from the right in this country not shut him up, I almost wonder if it inspired him to continue hammering home the message. I can’t wait to hear what that noted theologian Rush Limbaugh has to say this time.

39 Mattand  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:56:19am

re: #30 Tim TeaBro

This is what Greenwald is worked up about.

I Rec’d this to Charles.

Can I get an LOL?

Greenwald probably has a Paris Catacomb’s worth of skeletons in his closet, which is probably located in a glass house of magnificent proportions.

40 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:03:08am

re: #34 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I never though he was a Bad Guy himself, but he had an uncanny knack for finding the worst people in the world to take advice from and delegate authority to.

My theory is he never really wanted to be President, but just wanted to “prove himself” to his father. And he looked at the relatively easy ride Bill Clinton had, and figured he could handle it. Then 9/11 happened, Bush said “I can’t deal with this, I’m in over my head” and pretty much checked out and left running the country in the hands of maniacs like Cheney and Rumsfeld and Alberto Gonzalez.

41 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:04:46am

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

“By the way, for you kids watching at home, Santa just is white. But this person is arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa. But you know, Santa is what he is, and just so you know, we’re just debating this because someone wrote about it, kids,” Kelly told viewers late Wednesday night. The Fox News host went on to add, “just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn’t mean it has to change. You know, I mean, Jesus was a white man too. But you know it’s like we have — He was a historical figure, I mean that’s a verifiable fact — as is Santa, I just want the kids watching to know that.”

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:11:51am
43 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:13:11am

Sinter Klaas (Dutch Santa) has a Black slave instead of elf slaves.

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:14:31am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Shepherds
Chicken Pot
3.14159265358979323
,,,, In The Sky
Life Of ,,,,

Having a live tiger in your pie could be a bit hazardous.

45 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:15:56am


Texas teen kills four in drunken crash but gets probation after parents’ wealth blamed

A Texas judge agreed with defense attorneys’ claims that a 16-year-old who killed four people while driving drunk had been given whatever he wanted by his wealthy parents and had never learned to accept responsibility for his actions.

So she sentenced him to 10 years on probation, setting aside prosecutors’ request for a 20-year prison term after the teen pleaded guilty last week to four counts of intoxicatio

WTF?!?!

46 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:17:24am

re: #41 Varek Raith

He was a historical figure, I mean that’s a verifiable fact

Kelly would not do well with the mythicists.

47 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:18:19am

Mixing up Santa Claus and Jesus (of the fundamentalist belief system), though, seems somehow equivalent.

I wonder if that is what she really meant?

48 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:19:26am

re: #43 Lord of the Pies

Image: sinterklaas.jpg

49 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:20:20am

re: #45 Varek Raith

I’m surprised Uday and Qusay didn’t use that line of defense. It was not their fault, it was their father’s wealth!

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:20:45am

Good morning Lizards.

Sidebar ad this morning for Varekia Cirque Due Soleil. Makes me wonder what world-conquering scheme is in the works this time.

Cold and chilly as well - or at least all the co-workers are complaining about it this morning. I’m just being cranky and telling them that I am channeling Grumpy Cat this morning.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:21:25am

re: #48 freetoken

Image: sinterklaas.jpg

No one expects the Santa Inquisition!

52 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:22:45am

re: #48 freetoken

Image: sinterklaas.jpg

Hoo boy. I hopehopehope that the all the racism associated with blackface in this country gets lost in translation to Dutch, because otherwise, WTF?

53 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:23:10am

Pope Rush is going to need an inhaler after Pope Francis delivers yet another gut shot to the kind of economic policies that Rush and his acolytes demand:


And going back a few weeks:


People have been trying to parse what he said, and trying to impose their own views on to what the Pope said. Some are trying to claim that the Pope isn’t really going after the free market or laizzez faire capitalism, but the reality is that he’s closer to calling for structured markets and making the markets serve people instead of the other way around.

Popes have been trying to deal with poverty and lack of economic opportunities for generations, and while the 20th Century has seen a move by popes to embrace capitalism and abhor the horrors of the socialist/communist regimes and their economic policies that devastated the lives of so many people, Pope Francis does appear to take a more equivocal line - that there are merits to having restrictions on capitalist excess and seeing that the rich do more than just trickle down the scraps to the have-nots.

54 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:24:09am

re: #51 Feline Fearless Leader

Wikipedia tries its best:

Sinterklaas is assisted by many mischievous helpers with black faces and colourful Moorish dresses. These helpers are called Zwarte Pieten (Black Pete(r)s). Although the character of Black Pete later came to acquire racial connotations, his origins were in the evil figure. Good and bad play an important role in the feast: good is rewarded, bad and evil are punished. Hence the duplication of the one Saint in a saint and a (frolicking) devil.

The helpers are in black faces because they are supposed to be black ravens, right?

Well, that’s the official story line up north.

55 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:25:44am

I wonder if Kelly really understands that comparing Jesus to Santa Claus is not really going to help Fundamentalists’ apologetics?

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:26:13am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

But you know it’s like we have — He [Jesus] was a historical figure, I mean that’s a verifiable fact — as is Santa, I just want the kids watching to know that.”

oh good freakin grief, Megyn…

57 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:26:33am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

Please make the screaming in my brain stop…. Jesus probably looked a lot like the other semitic people, and while he wasn’t black, he sure wasn’t the blonde blue-eyed Jesus that the painters favored. In fact, he probably looked more like the Jesus that is doing lawnwork down the street.

As for Santa, what color is an imaginary character? Santa as we know him is a melting pot of a number of various traditions / folklore. The ‘Modern’ image of Santa traces to the late 1800’s / early 1900’s.

How this woman manages to breathe without explicit guidance never fails to amaze me.

RBS

58 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:27:23am

re: #57 RealityBasedSteve

Please make the screaming in my brain stop…. Jesus probably looked a lot like the other semitic people, and while he wasn’t black, he sure wasn’t the blonde blue-eyed Jesus that the painters favored. In fact, he probably looked more like the Jesus that is doing lawnwork down the street.

As for Santa, what color is an imaginary character? Santa as we know him is a melting pot of a number of various traditions / folklore. The ‘Modern’ image of Santa traces to the late 1800’s / early 1900’s.

How this woman manages to breathe without explicit guidance never fails to amaze me.

RBS

popularmechanics.com
Image: face-of-jesus-01-0312-mdn.jpg

59 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:28:33am

re: #53 lawhawk

Popes have been trying to deal with poverty and lack of economic opportunities for generations, and while the 20th Century has seen a move by popes to embrace capitalism and abhor the horrors of the socialist/communist regimes and their economic policies that devastated the lives of so many people….

Well, unlike the right in this country, in which it’s still 1968 and we still have to fear the scourge of pot-smoking hippies, black panthers, and the Soviet Union, I imagine Francis realizes that there is no threat of communism in the world, and that the free market has won a final and total victory, so it’s up to us to ensure that the free market works for the greater good of everyone.

He’s not living in the alternate reality that the media in the US inhabits, in which it’s self-evident that low capital gains taxes on the Koch Brothers will bring us a new golden age.

60 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:28:43am

re: #45 Varek Raith

Rehabilitation versus incarceration. If the kid was charged as a minor, many states, including Texas favor rehabilitation over incarceration.

As an adult, the fact that he was so young would mitigate against a severe punishment.

I happen to find the outcome awful for everyone involved. He was engaged in criminality - he admitted to driving drunk and killing the four people while driving drunk. That should have resulted in at least some prison time, plus rehabiliation.

This will probably result in the judge not winning reelection.

At the same time, the civil suits will probably bankrupt the family and this person (there are multimillion dollar suits pending).

Here’s the thing though - many instances where a driver strikes and injures or kills others - particularly pedestrians are not treated as criminal acts, let alone investigated fully. The vast majority aren’t really accidents - they’re collisions, and someone’s actions resulted in the harms to others. In NYC, the NYPD has given short shrift to investigating collisions, and only recently changed terminology to address that these aren’t really accidents but collisions that they have to investigate.

Given that so many people are harmed in vehicle collisions, the change in priority is welcome and can help improve public safety.

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:28:46am

re: #54 freetoken

Wikipedia tries its best:

The helpers are in black faces because they are supposed to be black ravens, right?

Well, that’s the official story line up north.

All this real quickly gets complex. White = good; Black = bad comparisons go way back in a lot of cultures and are not necessarily racial in origin. Not to mention the whole day/night thing as well. However that is not going to stop people from oversimplifying and claiming so, or wanting the racial implications and then hiding behind the cultural explanation when called on it.

62 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:28:47am
63 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:30:14am

re: #57 RealityBasedSteve

Please make the screaming in my brain stop…. Jesus probably looked a lot like the other semitic people, and while he wasn’t black, he sure wasn’t the blonde blue-eyed Jesus that the painters favored. In fact, he probably looked more like the Jesus that is doing lawnwork down the street.

As for Santa, what color is an imaginary character? Santa as we know him is a melting pot of a number of various traditions / folklore. The ‘Modern’ image of Santa traces to the late 1800’s / early 1900’s.

How this woman manages to breathe without explicit guidance never fails to amaze me.

RBS

Quite well all the way to the bank I believe. There’s a demand for what she does and she delivers it.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:31:09am

New twitter hashtag:

65 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:31:40am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

Jesus was a white man too.

Yeah, a guy who’s geneaology traces back to Abraham and is composed wholly of people that roamed around the Middle East was white.

Riiiight.

66 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:31:47am

re: #63 Feline Fearless Leader

Quite well all the way to the bank I believe. There’s a demand for what she does and she over delivers it.

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:32:29am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

New twitter hashtag:

So, we have to get out the CGI and have Nat King Cole doing Christmas songs in whiteface?
(hmm, that’s a little over the top. Apologies, but not withdrawn.)
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68 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:33:31am

re: #58 Varek Raith

What does…. Jesus look like?
Megyn Kelly: What?
I said, What.Does.Jesus.Look.Like?
MK: What?
Say what one more time, I dare you.

Does he look Asian? Hispanic? White? Old? Young? Middle Eastern? Western European?

Because he’s been depicted as all of the above. And in the same location too!

69 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:34:04am

re: #57 RealityBasedSteve

Please make the screaming in my brain stop…. Jesus probably looked a lot like the other semitic people, and while he wasn’t black, he sure wasn’t the blonde blue-eyed Jesus that the painters favored. In fact, he probably looked more like the Jesus that is doing lawnwork down the street.

It would probably take all of 5 minutes worth of Googling to know that every culture in the world that venerates Jesus has created artwork in which Jesus resembles the people of said culture (who would have guessed?). If Kelly had something other than compressed helium between her temples, she might have searched a bit beyond the Anglo-Saxon cultural baseline that gives her an impression of Nordic Superman Jesus, and looked for Persian Jesus, Ethiopian Jesus, or maybe Chinese Jesus.

70 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:34:20am

re: #45 Varek Raith


Texas teen kills four in drunken crash but gets probation after parents’ wealth blamed

WTF?!?!

Just another reason to stay away from Texas.

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:35:03am

re: #68 lawhawk

What does…. Jesus look like?
Megyn Kelly: What?
I said, What.Does.Jesus.Look.Like?
MK: What?
Say what one more time, I dare you.

Does he look Asian? Hispanic? White? Old? Young? Middle Eastern? Western European?

Because he’s been depicted as all of the above. And in the same location too!

Get far enough afield and he is a lion.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:36:00am
73 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:36:29am

re: #52 Ian G.

Hoo boy. I hopehopehope that the all the racism associated with blackface in this country gets lost in translation to Dutch, because otherwise, WTF?

Noticed that did you? Wow.

74 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:37:27am
75 darthstar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:37:30am

Good read:

76 piratedan  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:38:16am

re: #69 Ian G.

it’s kind of strange, because Kelly always struck me as the coolly pragmatic one, cynically trading on her looks for fame and fortune, somehow elevating herself above the drooling masses. Still, nice to know that the Fox template of hiring people who couldn’t teach in a junior high is still in place. One of life’s few certainties.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:43:04am
78 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:44:20am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good freakin grief, Megyn…

As many of you know…I have my issues with Ms Kelly. I know I referred to her in unkind and stereotypical terms…but damn.

How does she look at herself in the mirror and say something like: today I am helping my fellow man or the like?

Oh that’s right. It gets filtered through the check.

By the way, on MSNBC yesterday I saw the one former Fox Blonde (forget her name) that was replaced by Ms. Elisabeth Hasselbeck complaining about the War on Christmas and how she just wants to be able to take her kids somewhere to see a nativity scene and not have to look at a Festivus pole or the like.

Well, I would think for a little god-botherer like her she should be able to see one at her local church. She is there every Sunday I should think.

Or, maybe not.

Fox…mining the depths everyday!

79 darthstar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:47:55am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

They look like aliens to me. Note the antennae.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:49:19am
81 darthstar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:51:00am

re: #78 ObserverArt

By the way, on MSNBC yesterday I saw the one former Fox Blonde (forget her name) that was replaced by Ms. Elisabeth Hasselbeck complaining about the War on Christmas and how she just wants to be able to take her kids somewhere to see a nativity scene and not have to look at a Festivus pole or the like.

82 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:55:03am

re: #78 ObserverArt

Well, I would think for a little god-botherer like her she should be able to see one at her local church. She is there every Sunday I should think.

You go to a church, you get dangerously close to interacting with the contents of the New Testament.

Better stay home and watch a FOX Christianity expert, like David Barton.

83 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:55:21am

re: #57 RealityBasedSteve

Please make the screaming in my brain stop…. Jesus probably looked a lot like the other semitic people, and while he wasn’t black, he sure wasn’t the blonde blue-eyed Jesus that the painters favored. In fact, he probably looked more like the Jesus that is doing lawnwork down the street.

As for Santa, what color is an imaginary character? Santa as we know him is a melting pot of a number of various traditions / folklore. The ‘Modern’ image of Santa traces to the late 1800’s / early 1900’s.

How this woman manages to breathe without explicit guidance never fails to amaze me.

RBS

From a web site found by searching “What did Jesus Look Like”

Jewish Jesus

Link to “Different Spirit”

And from the site:

People have a funny idea of what Jesus looked like. Jesus of Nazareth was not white-skinned. Jesus was not European. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus lived in the land of Israel, in the Middle East. The Bible tells us that Jesus walked wherever He went, so we can easily imagine that His olive skin would have been darkened by the sun.

84 Mattand  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:56:26am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

Just read that post. If anything, Megyn’s proving that women are just as capable as dishing out bile at Fox as the guys.

I also need to double-check to see if I’m related to Megyn, because that’s the same sort of thinly veiled racist horseshit some of my relatives would serve up.

Of course, I know why too many non-relatives my age and younger who get apoplectic at the thought of a Santa who can’t blend into the snow banks around his workshop.

And the whole “Jesus was a white guy, deal with the facts” stuff? I’m always reminded of an article I read years ago that if Mr. J was real, he’d look nothing like the Ayran, blue-eyed hippie he’s depicted as.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 6:58:35am

WAR ON CHRISTMAS FAKE OUTRAGE DU JOUR.

The headline is complete opposite of what actually happened.

86 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:00:04am

re: #81 darthstar

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Yes, that’s her. She always looks pissed off to me.

87 darthstar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:00:19am
88 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:00:46am

re: #82 The Ghost of a Flea

You go to a church, you get dangerously close to interacting with the contents of the New Testament.

Better stay home and watch a FOX Christianity expert, like David Barton.

That comment hit the spot. Still laughing. Good job!!!

89 darthstar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:00:54am

re: #86 ObserverArt

Yes, that’s her. She always looks pissed off to me.

Because she is. Probably because she really believes this shit.

90 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:03:54am

re: #89 darthstar

Because she is. Probably because she really believes this shit.

And I believe I’ve read she is from Texas!

(How that for completing the loop?)

91 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:04:25am

Good morning!

Christmas work party today, working from home until then. Whoop.

92 Lancelot Link  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:06:26am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

Here’s a nice Christmas song for Megyn (trigger warning: cutely out-of-tune child singing);
Youtube Video

93 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:06:46am

re: #90 ObserverArt

And I believe I’ve read she is from Texas!

(How that for completing the loop?)

Just looked her up. Born in Minnesota, now resides in Connecticut. My mistake. But I did learn something…she was a Miss America in 1989. Wow.

94 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:08:57am

re: #2 teleskiguy

Saw this in my sister’s Facebook feed:

8 Photos You Didn’t See From Obama’s Trip to South Africa

Way, way late to this, but I’m requesting a reality check. Picture number 5, the one with Bush and Clinton at the hockey game. I’m seeing a mystery arm gripping the chair in front of Bush - is this a photoshop, or am I just not seeing the person to whom it belongs? (Can’t be Clinton. It’s a right arm (see the thumb) and his right arm is visible.)

95 Mattand  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:09:08am

re: #85 Lord of the Pies

WAR ON CHRISTMAS FAKE OUTRAGE DU JOUR.

The headline is complete opposite of what actually happened.

I’m also betting that’s not the complete story, either.

96 freetoken  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:10:28am

re: #93 ObserverArt

…she was a Miss America in 1989.

Gretchen Carlson?

97 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:12:27am

Well, well, well.

You mean companies will try to get local governments to bend over backwards for them, even in non-Union, low-tax paradises like Georgia? I’m shocked? I figured everything FOX tells me about companies fleeing crushing unions and taxes in New York or Illinois was true!

98 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:14:23am

re: #94 kirkspencer

Way, way late to this, but I’m requesting a reality check. Picture number 5, the one with Bush and Clinton at the hockey game. I’m seeing a mystery arm gripping the chair in front of Bush - is this a photoshop, or am I just not seeing the person to whom it belongs? (Can’t be Clinton. It’s a right arm (see the thumb) and his right arm is visible.)

From the article linked:

it’s time that we acknowledge that conservative and liberal politicians spend more time together, and have more in common with one another, than we’d like to believe.

Much like in sports, the fan-bases of rival teams hate each other, while the players on rival teams dine with each other.

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:16:27am

re: #95 Mattand

I’m also betting that’s not the complete story, either.

If they were singing “Rum Pa Pum Pum” over and over and over I would have asked them to leave too.

100 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:16:30am

Very cute photos of a dog and fox playing together.

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:18:41am

re: #94 kirkspencer

Way, way late to this, but I’m requesting a reality check. Picture number 5, the one with Bush and Clinton at the hockey game. I’m seeing a mystery arm gripping the chair in front of Bush - is this a photoshop, or am I just not seeing the person to whom it belongs? (Can’t be Clinton. It’s a right arm (see the thumb) and his right arm is visible.)

Not at a hockey game. Mandela’s service was held at the stadium.
But you’re correct. That’s a weird disembodied arm grabbing the back of Hillary’s seat.

102 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:20:08am

re: #96 freetoken

Gretchen Carlson?

Yep.

103 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:21:08am

A small contextual remark on the 16 year old who killed four people while DUI.

It ain’t new. And with a minor twist I’d feel good about it. Please hold the yelling a moment.

First, it ain’t new. Due to the way the Texas law on intoxicated homicide is written, the mandatory minimum time in jail is 120 days. Yes, you read that right. The remainder of the mandatory minimum is 2 years (per, so it’s 8 years minimum with 120 days in jail.)

minor twist I’d feel good about it. As I’ve mentioned a time or two I’ve worked in the prison system. And we in this nation have a massively stupid system. Despite what we say the ultimate focus is punishment, not rehabilitation. The ‘hard slap, then start working on rehab’ is in my eyes a GOOD thing.

Thing is, that’s not what Texas is doing. Not when getting caught with under an ounce of marijuana is years of prison time minimum. Not when other forms of manslaughter (as opposed to intoxicated) have significantly longer mandated times in prison.

No, what this boils down to is Texas protecting its fable. The myth of Texans, be they cowboys or oilmen, are drink all day and all night and still get things done. Make a token nod to the whiners, but protect the Real Texans.

Back to the case at hand, I’m peeved that the claim was ‘he’s not been brought up to know right from wrong.’ Try that with the child of an imprisoned drug dealer and see what happens. But it’s money and it’s Texas and it’s a Texas Institution. Hopefully this will cause some change. I doubt it, but I can hope.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:21:41am

re: #97 Ian G.

Well, well, well.

You mean companies will try to get local governments to bend over backwards for them, even in non-Union, low-tax paradises like Georgia? I’m shocked? I figured everything FOX tells me about companies fleeing crushing unions and taxes in New York or Illinois was true!

Not surprised at all. Company is interested in making money. One way to make more money is to pay fewer taxes and/or get legal kick-backs or incentives from the state or county. That the company is carrying out extortion (legal, mind you) to do so just shows them hewing to their central principle.

If they stay and don’t get the incentives it won’t be due to any principles concerning loyalty to the county, anti-unionism, etc. Probably a calculation that moving to another location will be more expensive and painful* than staying put.

* - Losing employees who don’t want to move, moving expenses, lost work time packing up and unpacking, etc. etc.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:22:26am
106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:24:53am

How is life?

107 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:26:45am

re: #96 freetoken

Gretchen Carlson?

Sure enough. Found out at Wiki.

Check out this video…

Youtube Video

108 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:26:50am

re: #102 Bubblehead II

Yep.

Barbie Dolls and Beauty Queens —prereq for female employees of Fox.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:26:50am

usnews.nbcnews.com

Egads. More college-age male fraternity stupidity of the fatal kind.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:27:21am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

How is life?

Grumpy Cat mode today for no particular reason.

111 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:28:18am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

How is life?

Life is good!

Youtube Video

112 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:28:39am

re: #100 aagcobb

Very cute photos of a dog and fox playing together.

I was lucky enough to watch a fox in the forest one day. I was struck by how “German Shepherd-like” they were. Then I remembered that foxes were canids and it made perfect sense. We think of dogs coming from wolves, but when watching this fox it was obvious there is more to the story!

113 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:29:19am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

How is life?

The way I view it, Life, good or bad, is always better than the alternative. As for me, I’m as happy as a clam at high tide.

RBS

114 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:29:51am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

How is life?

Life is good, even if it’s 7 degrees outside.

115 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:30:27am

re: #94 kirkspencer

Way, way late to this, but I’m requesting a reality check. Picture number 5, the one with Bush and Clinton at the hockey game. I’m seeing a mystery arm gripping the chair in front of Bush - is this a photoshop, or am I just not seeing the person to whom it belongs? (Can’t be Clinton. It’s a right arm (see the thumb) and his right arm is visible.)

I’d think they enjoy the time together. They share a unique bond.

116 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:33:41am

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

How is life?

Cold! But it keeps down spoilage.

117 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:33:59am

You mean Jesus didn’t look like this? Really?

118 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:36:42am

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

Barbie Dolls and Beauty Queens —prereq for female employees of Fox.

That and the ability to act like a vapid airhead while keeping a straight face.

119 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:36:44am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not at a hockey game. Mandela’s service was held at the stadium.
But you’re correct. That’s a weird disembodied arm grabbing the back of Hillary’s seat.

That’s the often hinted at, but never actually publicly acknowledged, Bill Clinton’s third arm. /

120 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:37:40am

re: #119 lawhawk

That’s the often hinted at, but never actually publicly acknowledged, Bill Clinton’s third arm. /

The one the women know?

/

121 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:39:24am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

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shoudn’t it be Baby Reindeer, sans the s?

122 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:40:25am

re: #98 geoffm33

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

I know they spent quite a bit of time together, and I know they share a unique bond and they might even like each other’s company. that’s irrelevant.

There is a picture in that series that’s been photoshopped to add or remove something. The obvious clue is the weird unattached arm gripping Hillary’s seat.

I find myself wondering why the photoshop, and why the official photographer releasing what is supposed to be an official photo has done so.

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:41:24am

re: #72 Lord of the Pies

I heard a report that a UN commission has spoken out strongly against the Dutch Christmas tradition of Zwarte Piet, Santa’s moorish helper.

A controversy I will not touch ith a ten-foot (North) Pole.

124 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:41:34am

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

You mean Jesus didn’t look like this? Really?

Yikes! Looks like Aryan fire and blood demon Jesus.

125 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:42:23am

re: #113 RealityBasedSteve

The way I view it, Life, good or bad, is always better than the alternative. As for me, I’m as happy as a clam at high tide.

RBS

Isn’t high tide when the moon snails come out?

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:42:43am
127 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:47:41am

re: #122 kirkspencer

I know they spent quite a bit of time together, and I know they share a unique bond and they might even like each other’s company. that’s irrelevant.

There is a picture in that series that’s been photoshopped to add or remove something. The obvious clue is the weird unattached arm gripping Hillary’s seat.

I find myself wondering why the photoshop, and why the official photographer releasing what is supposed to be an official photo has done so.

This is a comment from GWB’s instagram photo:

eemoe
@3261flymom - it’s Clinton’s left arm. Instead of the thumb wrapping the back of th seat, it’s his ‘pinky’ finger

On second look, that seems logical.

128 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:50:26am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not at a hockey game. Mandela’s service was held at the stadium.
But you’re correct. That’s a weird disembodied arm grabbing the back of Hillary’s seat.

Nah. That’s BC’s left arm - note the watch, you can even see the crown on the wrist side, where it is on 90+% of watches. He’s holding Hillary’s seat with all but his pinkie, so you can see his wedding ring on the first finger that’s on the front of the seat.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:52:15am

re: #127 geoffm33

This is a comment from GWB’s instagram photo:

On second look, that seems logical.

Sea of dark blue and black being worn there. That has a definite effect on photos being unclear due to a lack of contrast.

I am a rank amateur at photography, but I notice that lighting issues and lack of contrast make a lot of shots just not worth taking. And that all solid black (or dark blue) objects in particular are troublesome - having a solid black cat makes that pretty clear since a lot of photos come out as “black blob with yellow eyes”.

130 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:52:26am

re: #128 GeneJockey

Nah. That’s BC’s left arm - note the watch, you can even see the crown on the wrist side, where it is on 90+% of watches. He’s holding Hillary’s seat with all but his pinkie, so you can see his wedding ring on the first finger that’s on the front of the seat.

Yep, and here is a picture from the same day of President Clinton’s watch on left wrist. As a fellow left-hander, I can’t fathom wearing my watch on the left wrist.

EDIT: Forgot link, fixed now.

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:53:09am

re: #128 GeneJockey

Nah. That’s BC’s left arm - note the watch, you can even see the crown on the wrist side, where it is on 90+% of watches. He’s holding Hillary’s seat with all but his pinkie, so you can see his wedding ring on the first finger that’s on the front of the seat.

ahhh! I just enlarged the picture and now see what at first glance looks like a thumb is indeed a pinkie.

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:53:16am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

My daughter sent me a photo this morning.

133 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:54:19am

re: #132 Lord of the Pies

My daughter sent me a photo this morning.

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“Where’s your Global Warming?” in 3…2…1….

134 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:55:54am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

ahhh! I just enlarged the picture and now see what at first glance looks like a thumb is indeed a pinkie.

If that were his thumb, it wouldn’t be opposable!
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135 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:56:22am

The heat is off in the break room.

That means you don’t need to put your lunch in the fridge, you can just leave it out on the counter, where it is probably colder than in the fridge.

136 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:57:13am

re: #135 Lord of the Pies

The heat is off in the break room.

That means you don’t need to put your lunch in the fridge, you can just leave it out on the counter, where it is probably colder than in the fridge.

Hmm. Isn’t cold like that bad for the refrigerators themselves if they’re plugged in and on?

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:58:30am

re: #132 Lord of the Pies

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:59:36am
139 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:02:10am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

If it does turn out that Santa is Black, he will be killed by a “Stand Your Ground” gun-owning citizen when he tried to deliver toys in Florida.

140 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:03:35am

re: #136 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Isn’t cold like that bad for the refrigerators themselves if they’re plugged in and on?

Why? Since they take heat out of the interior and disperse it to the surrounding air, I’d think the cooler the surrounding air, the better. Plus it wouldn’t have to work as hard, since it’s not cooling the interior as much relative to the exterior.

AFAIK, the bigger danger to refrigerators/freezers is too much heat. We had a room full of -80 freezers at my old job (storing clinical samples), and it got its own dedicated air handler, because of the heat load.

141 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:05:11am

WTFITS

142 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:05:23am

re: #129 Feline Fearless Leader

Sea of dark blue and black being worn there. That has a definite effect on photos being unclear due to a lack of contrast.

I am a rank amateur at photography, but I notice that lighting issues and lack of contrast make a lot of shot just not worth taking. And that all solid black (or dark blue) objects in particular are troublesome - having a solid black cat makes that pretty clear since a lot of photos come out as “black blob with yellow eyes”.

If you have access to Photoshop. you can sometimes bring out the distinctions between blacks by going to image-adjustment-curves and mess with the curves. If you note, the grey bars in the background indicate the makeup of the photo. If the photo has a lot of dark areas you will see a lot of the grey bars indicating the dark areas of the photo. I always place anchor points on the ‘bar’ so that it doesn’t move the bar all over the image curve. Then place your mouse on the area that has the dark areas and start to move the ‘bar’ up to lighten a particular area. Watch the image in preview and you should be able to start to see the differing ranges change.

It is rather difficult to explain it in a comment, but the best way is to make a copy of your image or rename it to another file and then start to mess around with the curves and watch what happens. In time you’ll get the hang of it.

If you get good at it, it is amazing what you can pull out of an area that you never thought was there.

Also, it works for all levels in a photo. If you have a photo that has too much light area in it, you can manipulate that area too. Instead of pulling the bar the way you did for lightening the darks, you would pull the opposite way to darken the light areas.

143 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:05:52am

re: #41 Varek Raith

Megyn Kelly Wants Kids At Home To Know That Jesus And Santa Were White

Tomorrow, the Foxtards are going to ‘splain to the kiddies how [white] Jesus rode dinosaurs to a protestant church, carried an American made assault rifle, voted Republican, helped draft the Constitution, and likely spoke English with a slight southern accent.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:08:10am

At this point I do not even know why a gay person would insist on this fuckball baking them a cake. He could put “Minnie’s Surprise” in the cake.

145 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:08:43am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Santa is actually Black, then it’s reverse racism because everyone knows elves are White!!!

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:09:11am

re: #145 Dr. Matt

If Santa is actually Black, then it’s reverse racism because everyone knows elves are White!!!

Except for Dutch elves.

147 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:10:11am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those are great photos. The overhead view of the Old City is awesome. You’ve got the Mount of Olives and Temple Mount and Dome of the Rock at center top with just below that the Kotel. Moving down the photo, you’ve got the large domed structure about halfway down the photo towards the center right and that’s the Hurva Synagogue. Starting with the Hurva, you have the Jewish Quarter surrounding it, and going clockwise you have the Armenian Quarter, Christian Quarter, and Arab Quarter.

The Tower of David and Jaffa Gate at the Bottom left. The large dome to the left side of the photo is the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Everything is within a km of each other there.

148 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:10:40am

‘Tis a bit chilly in my part of Chicagoland. Wind’s not too bad, so it doesn’t seem very cold. Have to wear gloves.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:10:53am

re: #146 Lord of the Pies

Except for Dutch elves.

Who are drow and part of a secret conspiracy to undermine our greatest religious institutions. And have been at it for centuries…

150 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:11:24am

re: #146 Lord of the Pies

Except for Dutch elves.

I had to google that reference…..WTF??!! What am I missing in this story???

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:11:32am

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

Who are drow and part of a secret conspiracy to undermine our greatest religious institutions. And have been at it for centuries…

And they carry Dutch Elf Disease!

152 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:11:39am

re: #144 Lord of the Pies

At this point I do not even know why a gay person would insist on this fuckball baking them a cake. He could put “Minnie’s Surprise” in the cake.

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You know, it becomes a matter of principle

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:11:57am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

I had to google that reference…..WTF??!! What am I missing in this story???

Google “Zwarte Piet”

154 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:12:13am

re: #125 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t high tide when the moon snails come out?

I just googled Moon Snails…. they aren’t very nice at all. If I were a clam I’d be afraid… very afraid. en.wikipedia.org

RBS

155 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:12:15am

re: #146 Lord of the Pies

Except for Dutch elves.

Do they bake cookies?

156 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:12:45am

re: #154 RealityBasedSteve

I just googled Moon Snails…. they aren’t very nice at all. If I were a clam I’d be afraid… very afraid. en.wikipedia.org

RBS

Predatory Snails?

Who knew.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:13:40am
158 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:14:31am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

Predatory Snails?

Who knew.

I did.

159 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:15:33am

re: #151 Lord of the Pies

And they carry Dutch Elve Disease!

YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH!!!!

RBS

160 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:15:34am

re: #157 Lord of the Pies

Umm, wasn’t the judge’s decision due to anti-discrimination laws that had been on the books for years?

161 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:16:56am

re: #153 Lord of the Pies

Google “Zwarte Piet”

Today I learned something new.

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:17:14am

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

Umm, wasn’t the judge’s decision due to anti-discrimination laws that had been on the books for years?

“People forced by the courts to provide goods and services to all customers”

What a novel concept.

163 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:17:15am
164 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:17:46am

Teh Preznit iz a frat boy!


People are still derping about this. Unreal.

165 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:17:54am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Do they bake cookies?

In Dutch ovens.

*snicker*

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:18:18am

re: #157 Lord of the Pies

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I worked at a kids fun center one winter with the requisite pizza and nacho concessions area. We had some college student who was an evangelical. The guy refused to serve a lesbian couple one day. The manager (a proper capitalist) reamed him up and down.

The other kids who worked there were also reaming him. I walked into the group and asked what was up and they told me. I looked at him and said ” was their money green?”

Everyone got it but him. He actually thought he had the right to refuse service based on his particular definition of human.

Did I mention this facility was part of a very large multi-national corporation. I thought the general manager was going to blow a gasket. I don’t know how the kid didn’t get fired.

167 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:18:21am

re: #157 Lord of the Pies

The “push for tolerance” whereby people are forced by courts to provide goods and services to gay weddings.

Replace ‘Gay Weddings’ with any other group. Blacks,Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Asians, fat people, interracial couples, old people, women, etc.

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:19:17am

re: #163 Varek Raith

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You mean like not allowing African-American’s to sit at the lunch counter? Yes, there is a law about things like that.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:19:23am

Is this guy the ONLY CAKE BAKERY in town?

170 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:19:39am

re: #165 Dr. Matt

In Dutch ovens.

*snicker*

IN trees?

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:19:56am
172 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:20:14am

re: #154 RealityBasedSteve

I just googled Moon Snails…. they aren’t very nice at all. If I were a clam I’d be afraid… very afraid. en.wikipedia.org

RBS

If you beach walk and look at washed-up bivalve shells you’ll see that a fair number have been snail predated. Though there is also stuff that drills holes in the shells afterwards in order to anchor on them.

For the lighter side of the beach, we give you… the soldier crab.
Image: I_do_not_scuttle.jpg

173 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:20:25am

re: #141 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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More importantly, who the hell is Jeff Blankfort?

My Facebook wingnuts are still inbitch mode over the Obama ‘selfie.’ I hit back with the Bush/Bono pic, and I was mansplained to about how that wasn’t the same because it was a pic taken by someone else, so Bush wasn’t ‘acting juvenile’ like Obama was.

You can’t reason with these fucking idiots. You just can’t.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:20:36am

I’m a Christian but I’d never refuse to serve, assist or otherwise provide aid to a gay person.

I would clothe them if they needed it, feed them if they needed it, even find a place for them to stay if they needed it.

Regardless of sexual orientation or anything else, these are human beings who deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

175 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:20:57am

Feline Fearless Leader,

I just took the image of Clinton and his daughter and others and manipulated it a bit real quick to give you an example. Take a look at the side by side image I did. The left is the original, the right I quickly messed with to play with the dark areas.

Look closely at Chelsea’s arm. Note I was able to pull out the lines that make the texture of the cloth. You can also see a bit more distinctions in other dark areas like Big Bill’s coat. It is subtle…but I did it quick just for kicks and to help Lizards that like photography and photoshop.

Pulling dark differences out of an image

Now it is time for me to get some work done too!

176 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:21:00am

re: #163 Varek Raith

Image: 0.jpg

“Turn the other cheek, then blow them to Hell!

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:21:38am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m a Christian but I’d never refuse to serve, assist or otherwise provide aid to a gay person.

I would clothe them if they needed it, feed them if they needed it, even find a place for them to stay if they needed it.

Regardless of sexual orientation or anything else, these are human beings who deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

I’m an atheist and would do the same.
We’re a bunch of commies, eh?
XD

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:21:56am

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

That Jesus looks like Billy Ray Cyrus on steroids.

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:22:10am

re: #164 Lidane

Teh Preznit iz a frat boy!


People are still derping about this. Unreal.

I think they’re jealous.

180 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:23:23am

They say it’s going to warm up in the next few days.

181 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:23:27am

re: #164 Lidane

Teh Preznit iz a frat boy!

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People are still derping about this. Unreal.

The columnist is Andrea Peyser.

The piece is her own little Mandingo fanfic.

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:23:56am

re: #181 The Ghost of a Flea

The columnist is Amanda Peyser.

The piece is her own little Mandingo fanfic.

WHERE TEH WHITE WOMEN AT!

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:24:16am

re: #175 ObserverArt

Feline Fearless Leader,

I just took the image of Clinton and his daughter and others and manipulated a bit real quick to give you an example. Take a look at the side by side image I did. The left is the original, the right I quickly messed with to play with the dark areas.

Look closely at Chelsea’s arm. Note I was able to pull out the lines that make the texture of the cloth. You can also see a bit more distinctions in other dark areas like Big Bill’s coat. It is subtle…but I did it quick just for kicks and to help Lizards that like photography and photoshop.

Pulling dark differences out of an image

Now it is time for me to get some work done too!

Thanks for that. I don’t have Photoshop, but should get something like that since it is what is necessary to really work with some images.

184 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:24:35am

re: #180 FemNaziBitch

They say it’s going to warm up in the next few days.

I call bullshit.

185 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:25:12am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m a Christian but I’d never refuse to serve, assist or otherwise provide aid to a gay person.

I would clothe them if they needed it, feed them if they needed it, even find a place for them to stay if they needed it.

Regardless of sexual orientation or anything else, these are human beings who deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

And that is what Jesus would do.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:25:35am

re: #173 makeitstop

More importantly, who the hell is Jeff Blankfort?

My Facebook wingnuts are still inbitch mode over the Obama ‘selfie.’ I hit back with the Bush/Bono pic, and I was mansplained to about how that wasn’t the same because it was a pic taken by someone else, so Bush wasn’t ‘acting juvenile’ like Obama was.

You can’t reason with these fucking idiots. You just can’t.

And he wasn’t even taking the “selfie”, the Danish PM was holding the camera phone.

187 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:25:36am

re: #175 ObserverArt

Feline Fearless Leader,

I just took the image of Clinton and his daughter and other and manipulated a bit real quick to give you an example. Take a look at the side by side image I did. The left is the original, the right I quickly messed with to play with the dark areas.

Look closely at Chelsea’s arm. Note I was able to pull out the lines that make the texture of the cloth. You can also see a bit more distinctions in other dark areas like Big Bill’s coat. It is subtle…but I did it quick just for kicks and to help Lizards that like photography and photoshop.

Pulling dark differences out of an image

Now it is time for me to get some work done too!

Great bit. One extra thing, if you have a camera that is capable of shooting in RAW format it’s amazing the amount of detail that can be recovered from blown out or dark areas.

Photoshop has made it way easier to salvage a good image from a bad shot. I still try to “Get it in the camera” as much as possible to save time, but is sure beats what we used to deal with shooting slide film. You got it right, or it was wasted (pretty much)

RBS

188 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:26:57am

re: #185 aagcobb

And that is what Jesus would do.

Jesus was a wuss. Today’s Whacko Christians would have given him swirlies in Junior High, Bullies him on the play ground in Elementary School and probably have locked him in his locker in High School.

He wasn’t a soldier, he was a tradesman.

189 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:27:21am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Thanks for that. I don’t have Photoshop, but should get something like that since it is what is necessary to really work with some images.

I recommend “The Gimp” photo editing software. Free, ton of features, a lot of the photoshop filters work in it. I do use Photoshop for a lot of my stuff, but some of my computers have gimp, since it’s free.

RBS

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:27:25am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he wasn’t even taking the “selfie”, the Danish PM was holding the camera phone.

today.com

If she requested the photo it will be interesting to see how the nuts react to that revelation.

191 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:27:26am

re: #185 aagcobb

And that is what Jesus would do.

That would be Hippie Jesus. Republican Jesus could, as Erickson observes, “throw a punch.”
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192 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:27:43am

re: #185 aagcobb

And that is what Jesus would do.

Precisely.

193 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:28:36am
194 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:28:39am

Fun fact: Jesus got more frustrated at the religious people and HIS OWN apostles than He did at the non-religious.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:29:17am

re: #191 GeneJockey

That would be Hippie Jesus. Republican Jesus could, as Erickson observes, “throw a punch.”
///

Like tossing the moneylenders out of the temple?

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:29:18am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Thanks for that. I don’t have Photoshop, but should get something like that since it is what is necessary to really work with some images.

You can do something similar with the free “Gimp” software.
gimp.org

197 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:29:27am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he wasn’t even taking the “selfie”, the Danish PM was holding the camera phone.

Clearly Obama should have dealt with this situation as head should have dealt with Raul Castro.

A punch to the throat followed by a smoke bomb.

Also, zero chance this whole outrage interacts intimately with our handsome black president interacting with a pretty white woman. Ditto for the whole “Michelle mad” outrage, to say nothing of the aforementioned Peyser piece about our “hormone-ravaged frat boy on a road trip to a strip bar” and the “Danish cupcake.”

198 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:30:05am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he wasn’t even taking the “selfie”, the Danish PM was holding the camera phone.

I did point that out, and was told that Obama’s hand was on the phone, so it was obvs him who was taking the selfie.

Like I said, there’s no reasoning with them. It must really suck to be that consistently pissed off about pretty much nothing. I’d jump off a bridge if my life was defined by venting rage at an elected official.

199 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:30:07am

re: #164 Lidane

It’s the NYPost’s Andrea Peyser. A paragon of virtue… /

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:30:19am

re: #189 RealityBasedSteve

I recommend “The Gimp” photo editing software. Free, ton of features, a lot of the photoshop filters work in it. I do use Photoshop for a lot of my stuff, but some of my computers have gimp, since it’s free.

RBS

You beat me to it. I like Gimp a lot.

201 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:30:33am
202 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:31:05am

re: #191 GeneJockey

That would be Hippie Jesus. Republican Jesus could, as Erickson observes, “throw a punch.”
///

Buddy Jesus!

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:31:26am

re: #201 FemNaziBitch

Thanks, Reagan Obama.

/

204 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:31:42am

re: #190 Feline Fearless Leader

today.com

If she requested the photo it will be interesting to see how the nuts react to that revelation.

Anyone remember the Right’s tizzie about Paul Wellstone’s memorial? It seems like you can’t celebrate any political figure’s life and work in anything but a somber, teary, apolitical way.

205 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:32:02am

OUT OF THE BLUE:

I wonder if being raised with zero-sum thinking changes the way the brain develops.

206 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:33:20am

hmmmm

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:33:25am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

OUT OF THE BLUE:

I wonder if being raised with zero-sum thinking changes the way the brain develops.

It must. Cell vs cell leads to fewer since they are taught that cooperation except for temporary alliances is a losing proposition.
/

208 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:33:30am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

OUT OF THE BLUE:

I wonder if being raised with zero-sum thinking changes the way the brain develops.

Well is the way the brain physically develops linked to the way thought processes develop?

209 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:33:39am

re: #193 Lidane

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But he gives more to the rich kids!
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Seriously, though, this was what convinced my wife as a young girls that there’s no Santa - her wealthier cousins got way more stuff from Santa.

210 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:34:12am
211 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:34:28am

HURR HURR SOMEBODY TRADED FOOD STAMPS FOR BEER, VODKA, CIGARETTES.
CANCEL ALL TEH FOOD STAMPS!!!!!
SOMEBODY SHOT A BUNCH OF KIDS IN A SCHOOL.
HURR HURR DON’T INCONVENIENCE TEH PATRIOTIC GUN OWNERZ!!!!11!!!!

212 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:34:40am

re: #206 FemNaziBitch

But the librulz are the real fascists!

213 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:34:58am

re: #199 lawhawk

It’s the NYPost’s Andrea Peyser. A paragon of virtue… /

Every Peyser article:

Noun, Verb, Deep Concern About Sluts.

214 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:35:55am

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

Well is the way the brain physically develops linked to the way thought processes develop?

Yes.

I’m talking the number of neural connections. The less complex the experience, the less complex the neural net. Experience can exist in physical space or in thought.

Einstein was supposed to have a very dense neural net.

Having emotions suppressed creates a hell of a mess, literally.

This is my understanding anyway.

215 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:36:42am

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

Seems sound to me.

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:36:50am

re: #204 GeneJockey

Anyone remember the Right’s tizzie about Paul Wellstone’s memorial? It seems like you can’t celebrate any political figure’s life and work in anything but a somber, teary, apolitical way.

Crap. I want my memorial service to be a celebration where friends can sit together and tell all those embarrassing stories about me without me having to hear them. The event is not for me, it’s for them.

217 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:36:53am

re: #210 FemNaziBitch

218 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:38:11am

Gay rights: Can discrimination be legal?

A majority of businesses shouldn’t be able to refuse to serve gay couples, but ‘expressive professions’ may deserve an exception.

latimes.com

LGF Poll

219 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:38:57am

re: #218 Political Atheist

What are “expressive professions”? Televangelists?

220 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:41:18am

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

According to the Times report, writers, photographers, advertisers. Etc. Compelled speech or not? 1st Amend.

221 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:43:44am

re: #216 Feline Fearless Leader

Crap. I want my memorial service to be a celebration where friends can sit together and tell all those embarrassing stories about me without me having to hear them. The event is not for me, it’s for them.

We had a memorial service for my Mom, months after she died, when we could all get together (and Dad could handle it), and each of her 6 kids spoke. I made sure to include a couple of my favorite funny memories about her, because that’s who she was. Not a saint, not some perfect person, not Mother Theresa. She was who she was, and some of that was really funny. I could see people smiling as I told the stories, thinking, “Yeah, that was Mom!”

And I remember my Dad and his brother, a couple years after their Dad had died, practically wetting their pants swapping stories about him.

With any luck, people will do that for each of us when the time comes.

222 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:44:55am

re: #94 kirkspencer

Way, way late to this, but I’m requesting a reality check. Picture number 5, the one with Bush and Clinton at the hockey game. I’m seeing a mystery arm gripping the chair in front of Bush - is this a photoshop, or am I just not seeing the person to whom it belongs? (Can’t be Clinton. It’s a right arm (see the thumb) and his right arm is visible.)

It’s a left arm. It’s wearing a wristwatch, and you can see a wedding ring on the finger just to the left of the chair back. (If it were a right hand, then the ring would be on the pointer finger, and no man wears a ring there.)

It’s Clinton’s arm, but for some reason he’s wrapping his pinky finger around the back of the chair. I wouldn’t think that would be a comfortable position, but there it is.

223 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:45:00am

The Mandela event Obama and the world leaders attended was a Memorial and not a funeral. There was dancing, singing, smiling, and a celebration of a great man’s life. To pretend it was anything else is obtuse and ignorant.

224 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:45:17am

Please proceed:


Circular firing squads are fun. Hee.

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:45:59am

So now the GOP is desperately trying to take the Horse out back and put it down, huh?

226 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:46:01am

re: #220 Political Atheist

According to the Times report, writers, photographers, advertisers. Etc.

It’s an odd loophole to request. And it’s obvious that such a loophole would quickly be abused by other not obviously “expressive” businesses claiming they were.

In comparison, compelling someone by threat of lawsuit to do expressive work for them after the owner makes clear they find the subject/action distasteful is something along the lines of cutting off your nose to spite your face. (Which quickly leads to an “asshole problem” since there will be those that *do* cause that sort of trouble because they can.)

No one is going to be completely happy with the result. Welcome to society.

227 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:47:31am

re: #221 GeneJockey

We had a memorial service for my Mom, months after she died, when we could all get together (and Dad could handle it), and each of her 6 kids spoke. I made sure to include a couple of my favorite funny memories about her, because that’s who she was. Not a saint, not some perfect person, not Mother Theresa. She was who she was, and some of that was really funny. I could see people smiling as I told the stories, thinking, “Yeah, that was Mom!”

And I remember my Dad and his brother, a couple years after their Dad had died, practically wetting their pants swapping stories about him.

With any luck, people will do that for each of us when the time comes.

We’ll be doing this type of service for my dad in about two weeks. It’s what he wanted, it’s what we’ll do. And since by then it’ll be a bit over a month since he died we hope the raw will be worn down for everyone.

228 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:47:35am

re: #218 Political Atheist

Gay rights: Can discrimination be legal?
A majority of businesses shouldn’t be able to refuse to serve gay couples, but ‘expressive professions’ may deserve an exception.

latimes.com

LGF Poll

I call absolute bullshit:

In her petition to the Supreme Court, Huguenin warns that the decision against her threatens other “expressive professions” including “marketers, advertisers, publicists and website designers.”

Much as we support same-sex marriage and oppose discrimination, we do see a distinction between businesses that provide the same product or service to all comers and those that collaborate in the creation of a personalized message. We acknowledge that drawing that line will sometimes be difficult.


latimes.com

So marketers, website designers, etc can’t be compelled to take on work for same-sex couples/causes because collaboration?

How is providing a service of food at a restaurant or shelter at a hotel truly any different than building a website? How does collaboration or creativity play any role here?

If I were an honest web designer that opposed gay marriage (I’m not) I would be up front in telling them that I am happy to try my best, but the collaboration may not result in the best work because I don’t fully understand the lifestyle.

229 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:47:39am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

The Mandela event Obama and the world leaders attended was a Memorial and not a funeral. There was dancing, singing, smiling, and a celebration of a great man’s life. To pretend it was anything else is obtuse and ignorant.

Remember that the GOP and nuts are part of the “no fun” league. Only drunken rampages and behind closed doors hanky panky by the elite are allowed. All else is an insult to the Great Sky Daddy.
//

230 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:47:52am

re: #226 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s an odd loophole to request. And it’s obvious that such a loophole would quickly be abused by other not obviously “expressive” businesses claiming they were.

In comparison, compelling someone by threat of lawsuit to do expressive work for them after the owner makes clear they find the subject/action distasteful is something along the lines of cutting off your nose to spite your face. (Which quickly leads to an “asshole problem” since there will be those that *do* cause that sort of trouble because they can.)

No one is going to be completely happy with the result. Welcome to society.

So, is short order cook an ‘expressive profession’?

231 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:48:13am

And re the Clinton picture - I sit corrected. Weird positioning of the hand, but you’re right, it’s a pinkie doing the gripping.

232 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:48:14am

re: #211 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR SOMEBODY TRADED FOOD STAMPS FOR BEER, VODKA, CIGARETTES.
CANCEL ALL TEH FOOD STAMPS!!!!!
SOMEBODY SHOT A BUNCH OF KIDS IN A SCHOOL.
HURR HURR DON’T INCONVENIENCE TEH PATRIOTIC GUN OWNERZ!!!!11!!!!

[Embedded content]

That is one of your better wingnutty rants yet.

Sad and true.

233 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:48:22am

re: #226 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s interesting to think a writer could be compelled to write in a piece they object to. Specific speech can be compelled? Also subject to abuse. Not quite freelance at that point.

234 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:48:30am

Owners of a private business, IIRC, do have the right to refuse service —no?

I don’t know, seems if they didn’t want the business, they’d say they were over booked for that day or whatever. There are ways to avoid doing businesses with customers one does not want —for whatever reason. Usually because they are so much trouble they aren’t profitable.

235 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:49:52am

If someone decides to throw a Memorial for me after I’m gone, there better be Scotch, Mexican food, and Pearl Jam playing.

236 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:50:13am

re: #228 geoffm33

I call absolute bullshit:

So marketers, website designers, etc can’t be compelled to take on work for same-sex couples/causes because collaboration?

How is providing a service of food at a restaurant or shelter at a hotel truly any different than building a website? How does collaboration or creativity play any role here?

If I were an honest web designer that opposed gay marriage (I’m not) I would be up front in telling them that I am happy to try my best, but the collaboration may not result in the best work because I don’t fully understand the lifestyle.

substitute “black” for “gay”. Is the claim ugly or a non sequitor. If the former it’s racism and needs denied. If it’s a non sequitor there might just be a case.

237 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:50:38am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

That’s just being clever about how to apply your discriminatory feelings though.

Obviously a photographer could just claim “too busy” or schedule another obligation at the event dates. But that’s a cheat. Maybe a legal dodge but still a moral cheat.

238 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:50:41am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Owners of a private business, IIRC, do have the right to refuse service —no?

Yes, but not if said refusal is in violation of anti-discrimination laws. If I run a coffee shop, I would not be able to simply “refuse service” to every black person who came in and expect to get away with it.

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:50:54am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Owners of a private business, IIRC, do have the right to refuse service —no?

I don’t know, seems if they didn’t want the business, they’d say they were over booked for that day or whatever. There are ways to avoid doing businesses with customers one does not want —for whatever reason. Usually because they are so much trouble they aren’t profitable.

Lying about the reason is one way to get in trouble and an anti-discrimination suit. A company I rented from back in the early 90s got burned this way since it was proven that they were pulling stuff like this to avoid renting units to minorities in Pittsburgh.

240 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:51:07am

re: #235 Dr. Matt

If someone decides to throw a Memorial for me after I’m gone, there better be Scotch, Mexican food, and Pearl Jam playing.

And if it’s wine, italian food, and Conway Twitty what are you going to do about it? //

241 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:51:21am

I have already told my wife there will be Johnny Cash music at my memorial.

242 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:51:21am

re: #236 kirkspencer

Substitute skin head. The out in the open happy to tell you all about it skinhead?

243 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:51:52am

re: #240 kirkspencer

And if it’s wine, italian food, and Conway Twitty what are you going to do about it? //

Haunt the purveyors mercilessly, I’m sure.

244 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:51:56am

re: #240 kirkspencer

And if it’s wine, italian food, and Conway Twitty what are you going to do about it? //

I’m thinking this is how a haunting spirit is created!

EDIT: Damn…off by a mere four seconds

245 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:52:38am

re: #229 Feline Fearless Leader

Remember that the GOP and nuts are part of the “no fun” league. Only drunken rampages and behind closed doors hanky panky by the elite are allowed. All else is an insult to the Great Sky Daddy.
//

As it should be in this Great Republic of Gilead.

246 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:52:50am

re: #240 kirkspencer

And if it’s wine, italian food, and Conway Twitty what are you going to do about it? //

Poltergeist Part 4 is on.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:52:50am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Owners of a private business, IIRC, do have the right to refuse service —no?

They can’t refuse service because a customer is Black, or Muslim, or gay.

However can have scheduling conflicts.

248 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:53:06am

The whole “refusal of service” thing is meant to be a shield against angry, abusive, harassing customers.

It’s not meant to be a blanket means to get out of serving a certain religion or ethnicity.

249 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:53:16am

From the LA Times article

On the other hand, compelled speech is a bad idea. No one would dream of requiring a Democratic speechwriter to work for a Republican politician. So what about a wedding photographer? Huguenin’s lawyer told the Supreme Court that “Huguenin, and not her customer, is the speaker communicating through her photographs and books. Her actions in choreographing, capturing, selecting, editing, producing and arranging the final photographs and storybooks all affect, and ultimately determine, the messages conveyed through her images and books.”

latimes.com

Is there any merit to this point?

250 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:53:53am

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

Haunt the purveyors mercilessly, I’m sure.

re: #244 ObserverArt

I’m thinking this is how a haunting spirit is created!

re: #246 Dr. Matt

Poltergeist Part 4 is on.

Ok. That’s creepy. Stop it.

251 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:53:55am

re: #223 Dr. Matt

The Mandela event Obama and the world leaders attended was a Memorial and not a funeral. There was dancing, singing, smiling, and a celebration of a great man’s life. To pretend it was anything else is obtuse and ignorant.

I kept pointing this out to people on FB yesterday.

One friend unleashed a rant about how The Selfie was some kind of teachable moment about social media and proper decorum at a funeral and whatever. I countered by pointing out that people in the crowd had brought vuvuzelas to the memorial, so proper decorum wasn’t exactly high on the list, and also, it wasn’t a funeral. I actually watched the damned thing, so I know what I saw.

252 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:53:59am

re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg

The whole “refusal or service” thing is meant to be a shield against angry, abusive, harassing customers.

It’s not meant to be a blanket means to get out of serving a certain religion or ethnicity.

Or merely annoying ones.

253 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:54:41am

re: #242 Political Atheist

Substitute skin head. The out in the open happy to tell you all about it skinhead?

Started to say ‘same principle’, but it’s not quite. The second sentence makes it behavioral.

People can refuse to serve disruptive customers in pretty much every business I know.

If the characteristic defining disruptive is endemic it’s subject to successful suit. If the disruptive quality is behavioral the business is going to win.

usually.

254 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:54:49am

re: #227 kirkspencer

We’ll be doing this type of service for my dad in about two weeks. It’s what he wanted, it’s what we’ll do. And since by then it’ll be a bit over a month since he died we hope the raw will be worn down for everyone.

I was 3000 miles away when Mom died. I was ready to get on a jet that day, but my sisters, who were with Mom and Dad then, said that Dad told them he couldn’t handle everyone coming in then, and that Mom hadn’t wanted, nor did he want a typical funeral service.

The odd thing was, I didn’t cry. I thought I must be a monster. Then at the memorial service, I cried. Afterwards, I checked with my other siblings. The three of us who weren’t there either when she died or immediately thereafter had the same experience - it wasn’t real till the memorial.

So, probably the emotions will be less raw, but there may also be those who finally get closure, and they may be a wreck for a bit.

Grieving is weird. It doesn’t always happen like you expect.

255 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:56:48am

re: #254 GeneJockey

I was 1000 miles away when my grandfather passed. I didn’t cry when I found out but when I got home and saw my family and had a chance to say my goodbyes to Gramps (before the cremation) I was like a fountain the whole day.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:57:33am

My son hired a Christian videographer and photographer for his wedding in 2008. Because there are no photographers specializing in Jewish weddings in Alabama, and it would have been prohibitively expensive to fly someone in from New York. (however a wedding planner was brought in)

He did not have any problems finding a photographer to for his Hasidic wedding, in fact they were very eager to participate in this event.

I don’t know if they would have been so enthusiastic for a Muslim or a Hindu or a gay wedding.

257 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:59:58am

re: #206 FemNaziBitch

hmmmm

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I would counter-propose Eco’s !4 Ways of looking at a Blackshirt.

What fascism is exactly is debatable, but I think his encapsulation is very good.

258 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 8:59:59am

re: #256 Lord of the Pies

My son hired a Christian videographer and photographer for his wedding in 2008. Because there are no photographers specializing in Jewish weddings in Alabama, and it would have been prohibitively expensive to fly someone in from New York. (however a wedding planner was brought in)

He did not have any problems finding a photographer to for his Hasidic wedding, in fact they were very eager to participate in this event.

I don’t know if they would have been so enthusiastic for a Muslim or a Hindu or a gay wedding.

Knowing Alabama, it wouldn’t surprise me.

259 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:00:29am

re: #253 kirkspencer

Hmmm, a polite skinhead? An un protected class of person. It’s not about gender, age religion or sexual orientation.

260 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:00:37am

Mmm. Back from the dentist. The molar had to go, but the dentist was a a nice guy who put you at ease, and we had fun. Was complaining about my loss of teeth, and he said he knew plenty of people my age who wished they had as many as I did. Was going to write me an RX for pain, and I told him, no, I’m as tough as a $2 steak. They all laughed, and he said, can I use that? A proud graduate of UNC dental school some years ago. I really liked him, and the employees, very neat and clean office, and the extraction was only $110, even with extra anesthesia, so he’s a keeper.

I think I knew he had a good sense of humor when I saw the “leg lamp”…

261 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:01:07am

re: #228 geoffm33

Post that on his poll Page. Then I can upding it again.

262 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:02:25am

I have a hard time turning away any paying customer. There are people who are truly not-profitable — it has nothing to do with their race, creed or color.

Usually people who have a strange perception of what “good service” means. I’m not your psychologist, or your personal slave.

I’ve had customers who have deep insecurity issues and I think feel threatened in any situation. Often they try to overcompensate and it can be difficult to get them out of that mode.

263 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:02:40am

re: #260 Justanotherhuman

Mmm. Back from the dentist. The molar had to go, but the dentist was a a nice guy who put you at ease, and we had fun. Was complaining about my loss of teeth, and he said he knew plenty of people my age who wished they had as many as I did. Was going to write me an RX for pain, and I told him, no, I’m as tough as a $2 steak. They all laughed, and he said, can I use that? A proud graduate of UNC dental school some years ago. I really liked him, and the employees, very neat and clean office, and the extraction was only $110, even with extra anesthesia, so he’s a keeper.

I think I knew he had a good sense of humor when I saw the “leg lamp”…

It’s not a leg lamp, it’s a major award.

Sheesh, some people…

//

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:02:54am

re: #257 The Ghost of a Flea

I would counter-propose Eco’s !4 Ways of looking at a Blackshirt.

What fascism is exactly is debatable, but I think his encapsulation is very good.

Yes, that article seems to be the current best source.

265 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:03:36am

re: #232 ObserverArt

That is one of your better wingnutty rants yet.

Sad and true.

We need a scandal involving someone trading food stamps in for guns and ammo…just to watch the ex/implosions of heads…

266 geoffm33  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:03:47am

re: #249 Political Atheist

From the LA Times article

Is there any merit to this point?

requiring a Democratic speechwriter to work for a Republican politician.

That’s a strawman at best. No one can require someone to work FOR anyone else.

267 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:04:03am

Oh joy… they’re going to make a sequel to WWZ.

Youtube Video

Considering how the movie bears no resemblance to the book, here’s a chance to include all the stuff they left out of the book.

268 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:05:04am
10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.

Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people in the world, the members or the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler.

From the link above.

269 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:06:30am

re: #230 GeneJockey

So, is short order cook an ‘expressive profession’?

I use colored bar wrap, cable housing, and cable end tips. Bike wrenching is an expressive profession.

270 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:07:14am
12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.

This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons — doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

same link.

I haven’t read this in a while, thanks for posting it, Ghost of a Flea!

271 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:07:35am

re: #267 lawhawk

Oh joy… they’re going to make a sequel to WWZ.

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Considering how the movie bears no resemblance to the book, here’s a chance to include all the stuff they left out of the book.

I really liked the book, not because I am any kind of zombie fan, but for the way it showed how humanity deals with a crisis: first ignoring it, then denying it and trying to cover it up, all of which allow the problem to spread and establish itself even more deeply so that by the time the authorities are forced to acknowledge and deal with the crisis, it is (almost) too late.

272 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:09:42am

re: #269 wrenchwench

I use colored bar wrap, cable housing, and cable end tips. Bike wrenching is an expressive profession.

So if I wanted a diamond weave wrap in Purple and Orange on the butterfly bar on my fixie, could you deny it, since it would offend your sensibilities. :)

RBS

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:11:09am

re: #271 Sol Berdinowitz

I really liked the book, not because I am any kind of zombie fan, but for the way it showed how humanity deals with a crisis: first ignoring it, then denying it and trying to cover it up, all of which allow the problem to spread and establish itself even more deeply so that by the time the authorities are forced to acknowledge and deal with the crisis, it is (almost) too late.

The book was fantastic and could have been made into a great movie, probably a mockumentary.

274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:13:42am

Seems the USA isn’t the only country which has issues with the Catholic Church.

ha!

275 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:14:36am

re: #267 lawhawk

Oh joy… they’re going to make a sequel to WWZ.

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Considering how the movie bears no resemblance to the book, here’s a chance to include all the stuff they left out of the book.

*headdesk*

276 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:15:13am

Shut-up Ted!

277 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:15:46am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

Shut-up Ted!

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So everything is responsible for mass shootings except…guns.

That about right?

278 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:18:15am

re: #257 The Ghost of a Flea

I would counter-propose Eco’s !4 Ways of looking at a Blackshirt.

What fascism is exactly is debatable, but I think his encapsulation is very good.

Eco is very good at describing fascism; he just describes it in more intellectual terms (one of his points is the utter anti-intellectualism of fascism).

3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake.

Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering’s fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play (“When I hear the word ‘culture’ I reach for my gun”) to the frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” and “universities are nests of reds.” The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

279 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:18:57am

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh, they could have played it straight and done it documentary style. Instead, we got Brad Pitt running around the world, and watching nearly everyone he comes into contact with…. die.

How do you know you’ve got a chance to survive the zombie apocalypse? Brad Pitt hasn’t shown up at your door. If he has, you’d better get somewhere else and quick.

Heck, a documentary style treatment of the Battle of Yonkers or Battle of Hope? Would have been one heck of a set-piece for filming. Or revealing that Phalanx doesn’t do anything to stop the zombie infection.

280 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:18:59am
281 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:19:23am
282 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:20:49am

Breaking. The Danish PM is hot. OK, attractive. Also, Wendy Davis of Texas. Take that dummy wingnuts!

283 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:21:35am

re: #282 Gus

Breaking. The Danish PM is hot. OK, attractive. Also, Wendy Davis of Texas. Take that dummy wingnuts!

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

284 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:22:25am
285 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:22:54am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

I imagine. ;) They’re always posting pics of them.

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:23:15am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

There is a wingnut meme where they show selectively attractive photos of “conservative women” compared to selectively unattractive photos of “liberal women” and go HURR HURR ARE WIMMENZ IS HOT AND THERE WIMMENS IS FUGLY!!!! HURR HURR

287 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:23:38am

re: #281 Gus

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Would anyone like to point out to the little pinhead that the service was the site of much dancing, singing, and laughter? That South African memorial services are not like Christian funerals, where people sit around in stone silence when they’re not bawling their eyes out?

288 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:24:15am

I say “selectively” because their photo gallery includes Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Sarah Palin who are fugly all the way to the bones.

289 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:24:26am

re: #267 lawhawk

Oh joy… they’re going to make a sequel to WWZ.

[Embedded content]

Considering how the movie bears no resemblance to the book, here’s a chance to include all the stuff they left out of the book.

no. They pretty much broke that possibility with the way they did zombies. Fast-moving after a lightning-fast infection rate means at least a handful of the stories don’t work.

fwiw, the best suggestion I saw - one in which I subsequently wasted several hours picking at - was to turn it into a television series. My personal concept was episodic style, combining two or three stories (example: the soldier who experienced Yonkers, the wall, and the march.)

291 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:25:03am

re: #288 Lord of the Pies

I say “selectively” because their photo gallery includes Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Sarah Palin who are fugly all the way to the bones.

What about their bone marrow? //

292 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:25:22am

Just discovered that today is my one year anniversary (12/12/12) since becoming a hatchling. Please honor me. Thanks

293 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:26:21am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

Have you missed the discussions of Fox News Barbie Dolls and Beauty Queens?

294 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:26:22am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Just discovered that today is my one year anniversary since becoming a hatchling. Please honor me. Thanks

It’s also Frank Sinatra’s birthday.

295 Flounder  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:28:08am

Rachel Ray’s auntie passed away not too far from where I live. Somehow, I picture a combination of Nation Lampoon’s Vacation (aunt dies en-route, ties to top of car) and National Lampoon’s Christmas. My local paper doesn’t even have the obit.

Rachael Ray’s elderly aunt collapsed and died in freezing cold temperatures while house-sitting upstate for the TV chef’s mom — sparking an ugly family fight over her passing.

nypost.com

296 Flounder  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:28:29am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

no

297 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:28:34am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

So everything is responsible for mass shootings except…guns.

That about right?

Well, I have a particular sore spot for blaming any action on an inanimate object… . .

but, other than that, yes.

298 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:28:43am

re: #294 Gus

It’s also Frank Sinatra’s birthday.

I regret never seeing him perform live.

299 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:29:06am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

Physically attractive, yes.

300 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:29:50am

Ah, Cato has a new website.

301 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:29:51am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Would anyone like to point out to the little pinhead that the service was the site of much dancing, singing, and laughter? That South African memorial services are not like Christian funerals, where people sit around in stone silence when they’re not bawling their eyes out?

Might work well as a miniseries, ala The Stand, where the production values can be cut down and so more money to spend on actually adapting the individual stories to film. Rather than 2 hours of “Brad Pitt trots the globe, getting anyone who isn’t Brad Pitt killed.”

302 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:30:49am

re: #289 kirkspencer

fwiw, the best suggestion I saw - one in which I subsequently wasted several hours picking at - was to turn it into a television series. My personal concept was episodic style, combining two or three stories (example: the soldier who experienced Yonkers, the wall, and the march.)

Wouldn’t this be too similar to Walking Dead?

303 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:31:26am

I love when my kid orders on Amazon. He always uses my email because I have an Amazon Prime account. I get a notice of what he purchased.

304 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:31:38am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Would anyone like to point out to the little pinhead that the service was the site of much dancing, singing, and laughter? That South African memorial services are not like Christian funerals, where people sit around in stone silence when they’re not bawling their eyes out?

No, because that would deprive them of another chance to rip at the Prez.

305 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:31:42am

re: #295 Flounder

Rachel Ray’s auntie passed away not too far from where I live. Somehow, I picture a combination of Nation Lampoon’s Vacation (aunt dies en-route, ties to top of car) and National Lampoon’s Christmas. My local paper doesn’t even have the obit.

nypost.com

Good grief, priorities, Ms. Ray.

“Ray’s representative insisted she was busy taping the season finale of “Rachael Ray,” which airs locally on WABC/Channel 7.”

306 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:33:46am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

I love when my kid orders on Amazon. He always uses my email because I have an Amazon Prime account. I get a notice of what he purchased.

OH,,, I Want a set…

RBS

307 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:34:17am

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

Is there a Darth Vader version?

308 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:35:45am

re: #302 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t this be too similar to Walking Dead?

Not really. For one thing, there’s an actual plotline from beginning to end, rather than meandering from one horrific event to the next with no real idea where it all will end.

309 Dave In Austin  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:36:18am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Me too……

310 EmmaAnne  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:37:24am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there any good looking wingnut women?

Could we not do this? It’s puerile when the wing nuts do it and it would puerile if we did it too.

311 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:37:33am

re: #302 Eclectic Cyborg

Wouldn’t this be too similar to Walking Dead?

yes and no. Yes, it’s a tv series about zombies. No, in that Walking Dead is serial while my proposal is episodic.

And regardless, it’d still be a better translation of the book to video.

… started to post, decided to put a bit more in.

Realistically, the largest strike against the design I have is that there is almost no actor continuity. The technique has worked in the past (see night gallery or twilight zone, for examples) but it’s still not popular for studios because you don’t have a big star with which to draw interest - and won’t even if the series takes off.

The second largest strike against the series is that the book itself ‘only’ provides 13 solid episodes and hooks for another half-dozen or so. At the same time the format becomes great for writers. Three primary acts: the character’s first experiences, the duration, and during (or immediately after) the end. It’s formulaic but allowing wide ranges of different character stories (to include the downers: a tale of one who didn’t make it with the conclusion being where the soldier cuts off the head of the protagonist as zombie.)

312 Flounder  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:37:38am

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

in the belt buckle version, but it only comes in pairs.

313 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:37:54am

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there a Darth Vader version?

Vader, luke, Mace Windu and Darth Maul

314 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:38:43am

re: #310 EmmaAnne

Could we not do this? It’s puerile when the wing nuts do it and it would puerile if we did it too.

Sorry, didn’t mean to offend anyone.

315 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:39:03am
316 Flounder  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:39:23am

re: #312 Flounder

Youtube Video

317 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:40:00am

IMO, the book left room for plenty of extrapolation that could produce many great additional TV episodes.

318 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:40:07am

re: #310 EmmaAnne

Could we not do this? It’s puerile when the wing nuts do it and it would puerile if we did it too.

Very True.

I’m tired of the sexism on Fox News, tho.

319 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:41:10am

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there a Darth Vader version?

I don’t know, you’ll have to do your own LGF linked search.

320 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:44:02am

re: #316 Flounder

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Had to explain to a passing student why I was laughing uncontrollably at my desk. ROFL

RBS

321 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:44:12am

explains a lot

Let ‘em secede. Really.

322 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:45:06am
324 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:45:32am

Was Saint Nicholas a… MARXIST?

ZOMG!

//

325 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:46:38am

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

Yet a person convicted of a non-violent felony, sent to prison and released 30 years later cannot own a firearm, or vote? Am I getting this correct?

Without a pardon, yes that is correct. Any felony conviction or a misdemeanor that carries a sentence of even one day over one year causes forfeiture of many civil liberties. The most prominent are the rights to vote in most states and the right to own fire arms. That latter bit about misdemeanors is a very popular one these days for keeping “uppity blacks” from being able to vote or defend themselves.

326 Schadenboner  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:47:07am

re: #322 Lidane

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Burn baby, burn!

(…now where’s my fiddle?)

327 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:47:09am

[x] White Marxist beard.
[x] Gives away toys for free. FREE!
[x] Wears a RED uniform.
[x] Employees wear RED uniforms.
[x] Employees live in COMMUNAL housing near the North Pole which is close to the Soviet Union.

328 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:48:51am

re: #322 Lidane

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Ready! Fire! Aim!

329 Kragar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:48:59am

re: #327 Gus

[x] White Marxist beard.
[x] Gives away toys for free. FREE!
[x] Wears a RED uniform.
[x] Employees wear RED uniforms.
[x] Employees live in COMMUNAL housing near the North Pole which is close to the Soviet Union.

Yeah, but he doesn’t provide dental coverage.

330 Schadenboner  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:49:37am

re: #327 Gus

[x] White Marxist beard.
[x] Gives away toys for free. FREE!
[x] Wears a RED uniform.
[x] Employees wear RED uniforms.
[x] Employees live in COMMUNAL housing near the North Pole which is close to the Soviet Union.

Yeah, but he gives rich kids way better stuff than he gives the poors so…

331 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:50:42am

re: #327 Gus

[x] White Marxist beard.
[x] Gives away toys for free. FREE!
[x] Wears a RED uniform.
[x] Employees wear RED uniforms.
[x] Employees live in COMMUNAL housing near the North Pole which is close to the Soviet Union.

Was also heard to say “And to ALL a good night”, thereby devaluing the work of the MAKERS who worked hard to have a good night, and distributing the goodness even to those who don’t deserve it. A classic Marxist if ever there was one.

RBS

332 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:51:53am

re: #330 Schadenboner

Yeah, but he gives rich kids way better stuff than he gives the poors so…

Why does Santa give rich kids a little pony and an Xbox while the poor kids get a coloring book and box of Crayons?

333 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:53:34am

re: #331 RealityBasedSteve

Was also heard to say “And to ALL a good night”, thereby devaluing the work of the MAKERS who worked hard to have a good night, and distributing the goodness even to those who don’t deserve it. A classic Marxist if ever there was one.

RBS

Gifts = Materialism = Marxism! //

334 Kragar  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:54:16am

re: #332 Gus

Why does Santa give rich kids a little pony and an Xbox while the poor kids get a coloring book and box of Crayons?

Because Jesus loves them better.
/

335 Lidane  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:55:35am

Teh Messiah iz coming to Murica!


Oh geez. Greenwald and Alex Jones in the same time zone? The dudebros around here are going to be insufferable.

336 Gus  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:55:42am

Why did Johnny get a toy Ferrari from Hammacher Schlemmer while Jimmy on the other side of the tracks got a beet and a loaf of bread?

337 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:56:51am

re: #334 Kragar

Because Jesus loves them better.
/

The ever popular “Prosperity Gospel”. If you’re poor, it’s ‘cuz you don’t love Jesus enough. If you send us money we’ll let Jesus know you love him.

RBS

338 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:57:23am
339 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:59:24am
340 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:00:07am

re: #339 FemNaziBitch

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Ah, tis the season to be utter douchebags.

341 Schadenboner  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:00:22am

re: #332 Gus

Why does Santa give rich kids a little pony and an Xbox while the poor kids get a coloring book and box of Crayons?

The poors should have had the foresight to be born to better parents, duh?

342 gwangung  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:00:43am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Would anyone like to point out to the little pinhead that the service was the site of much dancing, singing, and laughter? That South African memorial services are not like Christian funerals, where people sit around in stone silence when they’re not bawling their eyes out?

Wonder what this twit would say about an Irish wake or a New Orleans funeral?

343 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:00:45am

re: #335 Lidane

Teh Messiah iz coming to Murica!

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Oh geez. Greenwald and Alex Jones in the same time zone? The dudebros around here are going to be insufferable.

Greenwald will not appear “in person” he will arrange a remote session so he can appear ON A HUGE SCREEN.

344 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:01:24am
345 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:01:44am

re: #342 gwangung

Wonder what this twit would say about an Irish wake or a New Orleans funeral?

She’d probably be all aghast that people are drinking and singing. “Don’t you understand this a solemn service?!”

346 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:02:30am
347 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:04:25am

re: #321 FemNaziBitch

explains a lot

Let ‘em secede. Really.

It [religion] goes without saying that religion is big in America. It played a starring role in the founding of the nation…..

And so did slavery, misogyny, murder of native people……etc.

348 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:05:41am

re: #341 Schadenboner

The poors should have had the foresight to be born to better parents, duh?

Sometimes that doesn’t always work.

Switched at birth: Son born to rich parents sues hospital after life of poverty

TOKYO — A Japanese man born to wealthy parents has been awarded about $371,000 in damages after accidentally being switched with another baby and spending decades living in poverty.

H/T NBC News

349 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:06:21am
350 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:07:54am

no discrimination here:

351 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:10:02am

re: #345 Targetpractice

She’d probably be all aghast that people are drinking and singing. “Don’t you understand this a solemn service?!”

Considering that the South African government set aside more than one day to mourn Mandela, and the events on different days are not all somber and sad, and that the specific event being attended was supposed to be one happy and triumphant, the entire raft of “outrages” related to this event are utter horseshit.

352 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:15:43am

re: #351 The Ghost of a Flea

Considering that the South African government set aside more than one day to mourn Mandela, and the events on different days are not all somber and sad, and that the specific event being attended was supposed to be one happy and triumphant, the entire raft of “outrages” related to this event are utter horseshit.

It’s largely the inability of white Christians to understand that not every culture deals with death in the same fashion. As noted, an Irish wake, a New Orleans funeral, or in this case a South African memorial in no way bear resemblance to a Christian funeral service. Hell, for that matter, even Christian funerals are not all the same. Spend time amongst some rednecks and you see some funny shit go on during a funeral.

353 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:22:35am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

no discrimination here:

Does it show up on the receipt as an “asshole charge”?
;)

(I did read the article. Note that the owner does not actually charge extra for ordering coffee without saying “please”. He is just making a point.)

354 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 10:42:28am

re: #353 Feline Fearless Leader

Does it show up on the receipt as an “asshole charge”?
;)

In my family, we call it “Paying the Asshole Tax”, and it’s why you never, ever yell at haircutters, mechanics, wait staff, etc., until AFTER you’ve received the service and paid. And if you do, you don’t ever go there again.


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