Dim Jim Hoft FORCED to Buy Decent Insurance by Obama

OH THE HUMANITY!

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It looks like Dim Jim’s insurance company is dumping him at the end of the year. Jim had open heart surgery this past August and needs continuing treatment. Of course, thanks to Obamacare, he can sign up for a new policy and cannot be denied due to his pre-existing condition. I’m sure he appreciates this.

Why is our government doing this to us?

thegatewaypundit.com

Well, that’s gratitude for you.

Of course, over at Twitchy they’re acting as if poor Jim has been left to die.

Why, indeed? There are countless Americans like Hoft finding themselves up a dangerous creek without a paddle. The government has no place in our personal health care decisions, and it certainly has no right to play judge, jury, and executioner with our coverage.

twitchy.com

Uh, huh. Changing insurance carrier / execution. Same thing.

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237 comments

Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:40:40am

I wish I could show all of you what single payer is like.

It’s not the evil, socialist monstrosity you think it is.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:40:51am

Making a high mountain out of a mid-sized hill. Changing insurance carriers is a non-trivial exercise, but it is not the end of the world either. Hoft and Friends need to quit being drama queens.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:41:13am

I give up. I’ve been posting in the threads.

After I respost these items which have nothing to do with the thread, I’m going back to bed. I got little sleep and just received training at the court house to help with Orders of Protection as a volunteer. My mind is full of legal how-tos.

This is really beautiful and I didn’t know Woolworths had food…

And Just when I thought it could get any weirder.

My apologies if these have already been discussed.

bbl
Have a great afternoon all!

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:41:32am

Just terrible. Obama could save Dim Jim from a fire and Dim Jim would accuse Obama of doing it for the publicity. As an American with a pre-existing condition, I can’t express how grateful I am that companies can’t discriminate against me because of a condition that I have no control over. I had this condition when I was heavier and I still have it now lighter. It should be and it is a good thing that is illegal for companies to discriminate against people because of that.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:42:19am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Making a high mountain out of a mid-sized hill. Changing insurance carriers is a non-trivial exercise, but it is not the end of the world either. Hoft and Friends need to quit being drama queens.

If Hoft and friends quit being drama queens, I think he’d have to find a new line of work. The guy’s always a hysterical little child. I don’t know what he did before political analysis but he should go back to that.

S'latch Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:42:31am

So, this is how the death panels will operate. I guess it is happening.

Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:42:50am

Oh, ferchrissakes.

Keep your insurance continuous if you’re going to get dumped by your company, or do without and pay a fine.

They will cut off their noses (or allow their treatment to suffer) before they’ll admit they might get a better deal if they just go to the exchanges or the ACA site.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:44:30am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I could show all of you what single payer is like.

It’s not the evil, socialist monstrosity you think it is.

You can: Medicare. You know, the government program the government should keep its hands off.

Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:45:40am

“You mean I have to get an insurance carrier who cover me even if I get sick?”

“Um, yeah.”

“TYRANNY!”

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:46:37am

Wow, I knew he had some health issues a while back but I had no idea how seriously ill he is. What a nightmare situation. I wish him well. It’s tough enough to make the decisions about buying your own insurance but the added pressure of having to deal with it with so many ongoing serious issues must be really overwhelming. I wish him the best.

Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:47:16am

re: #3 FemNaziBitch

I give up. I’ve been posting in the threads.

After I respost these items which have nothing to do with the thread, I’m going back to bed. I got little sleep and just received training at the court house to help with Orders of Protection as a volunteer. My mind is full of legal how-tos.

This is really beautiful and I didn’t know Woolworths had food…

And Just when I thought it could get any weirder.

My apologies if these have already been discussed.

bbl
Have a great afternoon all!

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:47:26am

He may be the Dumbest Man On The Internet, but I wish him luck with his health issues. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:47:52am

Vicar: It’s about this letter you sent me regarding my insurance claim.

Devious: Oh, yeah, yeah - well, you see, it’s just that we’re not, as yet, totally satisfied with the grounds of your claim.

Vicar: But it says something about filling my mouth in with cement.

Devious: Oh well, that’s just insurance jargon, you know.

Vicar: But my car was hit by a lorry while standing in the garage and you refuse to pay my claim.

Devious: Oh well, Reverend Morrison, in your policy… in your policy… here we are. It states quite clearly that no claim you make will be paid.

Vicar: Oh dear.

Devious: You see, you unfortunately plumped for our ‘Neverpay’ policy, which, you know, if you never claim is very worthwhile, but you had to claim, and, well, there it is.

Vicar: Oh dear, oh dear.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:48:08am

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

He may be the Dumbest Man On The Internet, but I wish him luck with his health issues. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Quite Concur.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:49:09am

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

He may be the Dumbest Man On The Internet, but I wish him luck with his health issues. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Yep. Can’t lose your humanity in this. I mean I hate everything the man stands for but I don’t wish him harm. Just wish the poor guy would get over the massive hate-on he has for the president.

GunstarGreen Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:49:23am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I wish him precisely what he wishes for everyone else.

Varek Raith Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:49:33am

At least Jim can’t be denied because of a preexisting condition anymore.

blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:49:55am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Making a high mountain out of a mid-sized hill. Changing insurance carriers is a non-trivial exercise, but it is not the end of the world either. Hoft and Friends need to quit being drama queens.

My husband’s company has changed carriers 3 times since he started working there.
This is common practice in the employer based as well as the individual market.

bubba zanetti Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:50:02am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

Changing insurance carriers is a non-trivial exercise

It’s pretty trivial compared to anything involved with healthcare when you have a pre-existing condition.

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:50:32am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

If Hoft and friends quit being drama queens, I think he’d have to find a new line of work. The guy’s always a hysterical little child. I don’t know what he did before political analysis but he should go back to that.

A wingnut friend sent me a link to a Hoft article. It was claiming Obama was signing letters to the families of soldiers killed in action with an electric pen, because his signatures looked similar. The pics accompanying the article were all very small, but I copied and blew them up and you could see that each signature was unique in some way - the shape of the loop on the ‘O’, where it crossed the staff of the ‘b’, etc. I sent the pics back to my friend, marveling sarcastically at how advanced the electric pen was, to make each signature just a little different.

His response? Crickets.

A few months later, he sent me ANOTHER link to a Hoft article. He was still milking the condolence letters. This time it was that they were form letters.

No shit. I asked him if he thought Bush had penned individual letters extolling the specific virtues of each of the 4000 Americans killed in Iraq?

His response? More crickets.

The sad thing is, he was trained as a Scientist, but he is probably one of the most gullible chumps I’ve ever known who wasn’t just an out-aidn-out moron.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:51:10am

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

He may be the Dumbest Man On The Internet, but I wish him luck with his health issues. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

I certainly don’t wish harm on Jim, either, but I can’t help noticing that he’ll even use his own medical condition to smear Obama. And by the way, the “government” didn’t “do this” to him — his insurance company did.

Achilles Tang Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:51:28am

Why is his insurer leaving Missouri? What is the insurer?

blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:51:48am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Wow, I knew he had some health issues a while back but I had no idea how seriously ill he is. What a nightmare situation. I wish him well. It’s tough enough to make the decisions about buying your own insurance but the added pressure of having to deal with it with so many ongoing serious issues must be really overwhelming. I wish him the best.

Guess what? His insurance company could have dropped him like a hot potato before ACA. Only to be denied by all others.

Of course I am glad that will not be the case.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:52:43am

re: #20 GeneJockey

A wingnut friend sent me a link to a Hoft article. It was claiming Obama was signing letters to the families of soldiers killed in action with an electric pen, because his signatures looked similar. The pics accompanying the article were all very small, but I copied and blew them up and you could see that each signature was unique in some way - the shape of the loop on the ‘O’, where it crossed the staff of the ‘b’, etc. I sent the pics back to my friend, marveling sarcastically at how advanced the electric pen was, to make each signature just a little different.

His response? Crickets.

A few months later, he sent me ANOTHER link to a Hoft article. He was still milking the condolence letters. This time it was that they were form letters.

No shit. I asked him if he thought Bush had penned individual letters extolling the specific virtues of each of the 4000 Americans killed in Iraq?

His response? More crickets.

The sad thing is, he was trained as a Scientist, but he is probably one of the most gullible chumps I’ve ever known who wasn’t just an out-aidn-out moron.

I figure this, if you want to believe the worst about someone like Hoft and your friend do about Obama, I think you’re going to believe it. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:52:54am

I’ve said for years that anyone making policy decisions about health insurance ought to be required to buy their own on the individual market. It is an eye-opening experience.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:54:48am

re: #25 calochortus

I’ve said for years that anyone making policy decisions about health insurance ought to be required to buy their own on the individual market. It is an eye-opening experience.

I remember finding it quite humorous that when one of the TP crackpots got elected back in 2010. I think it may have been a guy from Maryland’s Eastern Shore. Anyhow, first thing he does after he gets elected is to ask when can he receive his Congressional benefit run health care insurance. This from a man who ran against ACA to get elected. I mean damn.

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:55:00am

re: #8 calochortus

You can: Medicare. You know, the government program the government should keep its hands off.

Oh, no shit! I saw a FB friend’s wingnut friend talking about how Obama shouldn’t take funds from a program that works (Medicare) to use on a program that doesn’t (Obamacare), to make Socialized Medicine!! This was like a month after he’d posted that he had looked up the insurance the ACA would require him to buy on the exchange, and it was terribly expensive.

He’s a retiree. I said, “Aren’t you eligible for Medicare?”

His response was to disappear from that thread.

bubba zanetti Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:55:36am

re: #18 blueraven

My husband’s company has changed carriers 3 times since he started working there.
This is common practice in the employer based as well as the individual market.

Oh yeah, like clockwork at my last employer:

Year 1: Get new plan
Year 2: Raise our rates 25% +
Year 3: Drop our plan
Year 4: Waste a ton of time researching & applying for new plan; repeat

freetoken Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:55:53am

re: #20 GeneJockey

Have you thought of telling your wingnut friend that you think he has unresolved issues of some sort (misplaced anger?) and that he might look at talking to someone about it?

Seriously.

These people who are venting anger really are venting anger. Yes, it’s a sport for some, a way to stay entertained in a modern world that has for the most part replaced their daily struggles for food and water with abundance (speaking relatively to the previous 200,000 years.) Still, for others I’m convinced we are seeing a public working out of cries for help. For others it will just be plain meanness, but I wonder where that comes from too.

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:56:02am

I think it’s not a good idea to take any of Jim Hoft’s claims at face value. He’s already shown - over and over and over — that he’ll blatantly lie to promote his obsessive agenda.

For example, it’s pretty suspicious that he doesn’t name the company that is “leaving the state.”

GunstarGreen Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:58:10am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I remember finding it quite humorous that when one of the TP crackpots got elected back in 2010. I think it may have been a guy from Maryland’s Eastern Shore. Anyhow, first thing he does after he gets elected is to ask when can he receive his Congressional benefit run health care insurance. This from a man who ran against ACA to get elected. I mean damn.

Being a hypocritical piece of garbage is pretty much a requirement for joining the TP.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:58:28am

re: #28 bubba zanetti

My neighbor runs a small business and has said more than once that he would be thrilled to just write a check to the government and have them handle employee health insurance. It’s a real time suck, even with an insurance broker to help.

freetoken Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:59:17am

re: #27 GeneJockey

He’s a retiree. I said, “Aren’t you eligible for Medicare?”

I’ve been in similar situations… an older guy complaining about Obama and the ACA… yet he’s been relying on the VA hospital for almost 30 years.

bubba zanetti Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:59:20am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

For example, it’s pretty suspicious that he doesn’t name the company that is “leaving the state.”

I’d think he’d want to unleash his hordes of flying monkeys on them.

But then I could see him secretly happy that The Other will be have to be punished for their decisions.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:59:32am

re: #31 GunstarGreen

Being a hypocritical piece of garbage is pretty much a requirement for joining the TP.

Yeah pretty much. BIG GOVERNMENT IS BAD and then you find these are the same people who have pushed more and more regulations on abortion, decry gay marriage, etc. Their claims to have only been a fiscal movement are bullshit.

Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 10:59:47am

re: #32 calochortus

My neighbor runs a small business and has said more than once that he would be thrilled to just write a check to the government and have them handle employee health insurance. It’s a real time suck, even with an insurance broker to help.

YES!

Thank you! The Insurance industry is so, so, SO messed up.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:00:00am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Yep. Can’t lose your humanity in this. I mean I hate everything the man stands for but I don’t wish him harm. Just wish the poor guy would get over the massive hate-on he has for the president.

Thanks for bringing up the humanity and compassion angles. It gets depressing when these values get lost in political differences.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:01:27am

A sign that the budget deal is a good one: Glenn Beck went bananas over it.

Anything that leaves Glenn Beck in a frothing fit of rage and butthurt has to same some good in it.

GeneJockey Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:02:13am

re: #29 freetoken

Have you thought of telling your wingnut friend that you think he has unresolved issues of some sort (misplaced anger?) and that he might look at talking to someone about it?

Seriously.

These people who are venting anger really are venting anger. Yes, it’s a sport for some, a way to stay entertained in a modern world that has for the most part replaced their daily struggles for food and water with abundance (speaking relatively to the previous 200,000 years.) Still, for others I’m convinced we are seeing a public working out of cries for help. For others it will just be plain meanness, but I wonder where that comes from too.

He is a fearful man, and like many fearful men, he turns it into hate.

He lives in Michigan, and he’s deathly afraid the Muslims are taking over. He asked me if I didn’t think it was OUTRAGEOUS that a public school with a substantial Muslim population was buying Halal food. He believes every single Obama CT, and uses every insulting name for the Obamas that comes down the pike.

Luckily, he’s a virtual friend, and I’ve pretty much stopped communicating with him. I did recently check in on the forum where we both used to post. I saw he was up to the same old tricks, but had gotten even more childish - he referred to Obama as “President Poopy Pants”.

“President Poopy Pants”? He used to be like a 12-year old. Now? Maybe 5.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:02:40am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Thanks for bringing up the humanity and compassion angles. It gets depressing when these values get lost in political differences.

Not a problem, it’s ideas anyhow how that’s argued over. I’m not going to lose my humanity because I think someone’s ignorant or dead wrong on an issue.

Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:03:42am

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

A sign that the budget deal is a good one: Glenn Beck went bananas over it.

Anything that leaves Glenn Beck in a frothing fit of rage and butthurt has to same some good in it.

Beck goes nuts over anything. I don’t think this means the bill has to be good.

bubba zanetti Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:03:42am

re: #32 calochortus

Yeah, it’s piles of fun shopping for adequate services for your employees when you can’t really ask them to divulge their medical needs.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:03:57am

re: #33 freetoken

I’ve been in similar situations… an older guy complaining about Obama and the ACA… yet he’s been relying on the VA hospital for almost 30 years.

I would point out that Jim Robinson of Free Republic fame, a rock ribbed opponent of the ACA has been getting his healthcare from the VA, himself.

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:04:33am

“This week I found out I am going to lose my insurance. The company that carried me is leaving the Missouri market”
~Dim Jim

The imperative word is “company”.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:04:47am

re: #39 GeneJockey

Sad.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:05:35am

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

A sign that the budget deal is a good one: Glenn Beck went bananas over it.

Anything that leaves Glenn Beck in a frothing fit of rage and butthurt has to same some good in it.

Heh true but Beck’s always upset about something. I’m honestly shocked he didn’t liken McConnell to a Nazi appeaser.

Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:05:38am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

The imperative word is “company”.

Why does Jim Hoft hate Free Market Capitalism?

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:06:32am

re: #47 Kragar

Why does Jim Hoft hate Free Market Capitalism?

Because the “Invisible Hand” didn’t give him a reach around.

gwangung Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:07:09am

I hope he makes a complete recovery to wellness….and he has to depend on a vital feature of the ACA to do so.

(Oh, wait…he already is….)

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:07:28am

re: #39 GeneJockey

He is a fearful man, and like many fearful men, he turns it into hate.

He lives in Michigan, and he’s deathly afraid the Muslims are taking over. He asked me if I didn’t think it was OUTRAGEOUS that a public school with a substantial Muslim population was buying Halal food. He believes every single Obama CT, and uses every insulting name for the Obamas that comes down the pike.

Luckily, he’s a virtual friend, and I’ve pretty much stopped communicating with him. I did recently check in on the forum where we both used to post. I saw he was up to the same old tricks, but had gotten even more childish - he referred to Obama as “President Poopy Pants”.

“President Poopy Pants”? He used to be like a 12-year old. Now? Maybe 5.

Shit, I’d be happy if I were in grade school and we were having halal or kosher for that matter. Beats the normal school food anyhow. it is sad though. I don’t like talking politics really outside of here because there’s always someone out there who hates Obama and wants you to know about it and how everything was just fine before THE KENYAN GOT IN POWER.

Ace-o-aces Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:08:07am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

For example, it’s pretty suspicious that he doesn’t name the company that is “leaving the state.”

On Twitchy, some commentators were speculating he was in a high-risk insurance pool, which was a stop-gap measure anyway and not meant to continue past 2014.

(Also, on a personal note: first post promoted to the front page!)

blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:08:07am

re: #37 Killgore Trout

Thanks for bringing up the humanity and compassion angles. It gets depressing when these values get lost in political differences.

It is the hypocrisy KT.
When did those on the right ever care about people losing their health insurance before the ACA?
When did they care about those with pre-existing condtions, or insurance caps?

At least these people can not be denied now.
That is compassion, that is humanity; enshrined in policy.

freetoken Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:08:25am

I’m finding it impossible to gin up any fake compassion for a man who’s spent years making money spreading hate and meanness.

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:08:29am

The government has no place in our personal health care decisions,….
twitchy.com

Unless it comes to vaginal rape probes, denying abortion, denying coverage for birth control, etc.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:09:24am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Shit, I’d be happy if I were in grade school and we were having halal or kosher for that matter. Beats the normal school food anyhow.

I went home for lunch in elementary school and brown-bagged thereafter. My kids took their lunch most days. Problem solved.

freetoken Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:09:34am

It’s a big world out there, over 7 billion people and counting. Almost everyone who’s not on a deserted isle can go out their door and find someone needing compassion within a minute or two.

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re: #3 FemNaziBitch

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:10:37am

re: #49 gwangung

I hope he makes a complete recovery to wellness….and he has to depend on a vital feature of the ACA to do so.

(Oh, wait…he already is….)

That’s what hurts him the most: the man he hates for a living has saved his life.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:10:58am

Let’s keep the unintentional comedy coming;

Sarah Palin against deal: ‘Read my lipstick’

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is joining the chorus of conservative voices coming out against the budget compromise that passed the House on Thursday.

The former vice presidential candidate on Thursday wrote a Breitbart op-ed slamming the deal, negotiated by Rep. Paul Wisconsin (R-Wis.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), saying that it is the usual tax-and-spend budget the tea party seeks to fight.

“No one can argue with the fact that Paul Ryan’s compromise budget bill raises taxes and increases spending,” Palin wrote. “Spare America the Orwellian word games. If the government is taking money out of your pocket to fund its growing Big Brother operations, it’s a tax. Whether money is taken from you via your phone bill, your airline ticket, or your income, it’s a tax. If politicians can’t be honest about this, it’s time to go home.”

The 1984 references are particularly funny, since I seriously doubt Sarah Palin has the reading comprehension skills needed to read George Orwell’s most famous novel.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:11:30am

re: #55 calochortus

I went home for lunch in elementary school and brown-bagged thereafter. My kids took their lunch most days. Problem solved.

I always preferred bringing too. Funny though, one of my few kindergarten memories is them taking us to see the cafeteria and I just thought it would be so cool to buy your lunch. Well I ended up bagging after fourth grade, so we all know how that ended. Thank heavens for the food trucks though. Makes work a small adventure.

Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:12:30am

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Let’s keep the unintentional comedy coming;

Sarah Palin against deal: ‘Read my lipstick’

The 1984 references are particularly funny, since I seriously doubt Sarah Palin has the reading comprehension skills needed to read George Orwell’s most famous novel.

Reading….maaaaaybe.

Understanding? Not a chance.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:13:50am

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Reading….maaaaaybe.

Understanding? Not a chance.

I think the part where Orwell was anti-Soviet socialist would give her a stroke. The dumb woman actually thinks every member of the left is a Soviet lover.

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:14:05am

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Let’s keep the unintentional comedy coming;

Sarah Palin against deal: ‘Read my lipstick’

The 1984 references are particularly funny, since I seriously doubt Sarah Palin has the reading comprehension skills needed to read George Orwell’s most famous novel.

Maybe Fahrenheit 451 would be more on her level.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:15:30am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

I always preferred bringing too. Funny though, one of my few kindergarten memories is them taking us to see the cafeteria and I just thought it would be so cool to buy your lunch. Well I ended up bagging after fourth grade, so we all know how that ended. Thank heavens for the food trucks though. Makes work a small adventure.

I also thought the cafeteria must be some kind of food nirvana. Then Mom let me eat there once…

Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:15:31am

re: #53 freetoken

I’m finding it impossible to gin up any fake compassion for a man who’s spent years making money spreading hate and meanness.

Me too. As I said, I don’t wish harm on him, but he’s a virulent, dishonest hate-monger and we can’t discount the likelihood that he’s not telling the whole story about this.

Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:15:35am

I’m sure she’d freak out over Animal Farm too.

Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:16:01am

re: #63 Targetpractice

Maybe Fahrenheit 451 would be more on her level.

“I LOVED THE CLOWN SHOW!”

lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:16:21am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Hoft’s medical issues were life threatening. He lost a leg and had major heart surgery. These are non trivial matters. And both of which result in lifetime disabilities and insurers would otherwise treat him to higher premiums because that’s what they do to someone with a preexisting condition.

*And I’ll take him at his word at this (being charitable)*
Instead, his insurer is no longer providing coverage meaning that he’d have to get a different carrier. It sucks to have to find new coverage and a different carrier that has the same kinds of coverage as the prior carrier, but that’s an argument for single payor, not arguing against Obamacare that set up exchanges where multiple private carriers can do business, or arguing to keep the status quo that doesn’t provide access to insurance to everyone and lets companies pretty much dump plans as they see fit (and it happened before the ACA - just not with the same kind of media coverage).

But he will benefit in the long term from the ACA since he will be able to get insurance without regard to his condition, which should result in significant savings over time.

Except that Missouri is one of the states that refused to expand Medicaid and is doing nothing to help people get in to the exchanges. Had the MO governor and legislature opted to expand Medicaid, Hoft might be in a better position. Had the MO governor legislature set up their own state exchange, they might have more participants.

Had the GOP not fought to block the ACA at every opportuinity, the exchanges might have been more effective on October 1 and the teething problems wouldn’t have been as severe. The feds and those states with their own exchanges and insurers nationally are scrambling because they’ve had to deal with the GOP delay/deny/destroy mentality.

The very mentality that Hoft was expounding.

GunstarGreen Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:20:58am

re: #68 lawhawk

Over Thanksgiving my father tried to crack some jokes about healthcare.gov. Being the one in the family that programs for a living. I told him how I wouldn’t expect myself or my team to turn out any decent work either if half of our bosses had spent the last several years doing everything in their power to blockade and defund and smear our work.

He just kind of sat there in silence for a minute before moving on to a new topic.

Worms. All of them.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:21:12am

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure she’d freak out over Animal Farm too.

She’d actually be more bemused, since in her way of thinking problematic animals are dealt with using a gun. Which is true as far as it goes: You couldn’t set Animal Farm in the US, since that would just end in neighboring farmers showing up with shotguns and blowing the animals away.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:21:58am

re: #52 blueraven

I know nothing about his medical needs, financial situation, family support, etc. I don’t feel the need to exploit his illness in an attempt to score political points. All I can do is offer him well wishes for a speedy recovery and compassion as a fellow human being who is suffering and probably very scared.

Dr. Matt Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:22:17am

I could never feel sorry for a “man” who could spew such hateful idiocy as:

Blaming CBS reporter Lara Logan for sexual assault that she experienced while covering the Egyptian protests

Claiming that President Obama gave back a major Swath of Arizona Back to Mexico

Citing a Swedish Paper that Obama Photoshopped into Famous Situation Room Photo

I believe in Karma.

darthstar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:23:26am

BREAKING: Authorities: Kansas man accused of planning to detonate car bomb at Wichita airport arrested
— The Associated Press (@AP) December 13, 2013

kerFuFFler Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:23:31am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I could show all of you what single payer is like.

It’s not the evil, socialist monstrosity you think it is.

Agreed! I could not get over the hypocrisy when Romney visited Israel and complimented them on their affordable, efficient and compassionate system. And damn the media for not highlighting his duplicitous stance———opposing even moderate healthcare changes in the US while clearly recognizing the inherent superiority and cost effectiveness of single payer.

HappyWarrior Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:24:59am

re: #74 kerFuFFler

Agreed! I could not get over the hypocrisy when Romney visited Israel and complimented them on their affordable, efficient and compassionate system. And damn the media for not highlighting his duplicitous stance———opposing even moderate healthcare changes in the US while clearly recognizing the inherent superiority and cost effectiveness of single payer.

The media’s pathetically lazy in that regard. I had not heard about that particularly example but it sounds just like Mitt to praise Israel’s health care system and then to get right back on the bandwagon of REPEAL ACA without even realizing how two faced he was being.

blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:25:35am

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I know nothing about his medical needs, financial situation, family support, etc. I don’t feel the need to exploit his illness in an attempt to score political points. All I can do is offer him well wishes for a speedy recovery and compassion as a fellow human being who is suffering and probably very scared.

Excuse me, but he is the one exploiting his own medical condition to score political points.

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:26:16am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

I could never feel sorry for a “man” who could spew such hateful idiocy as:

Blaming CBS reporter Lara Logan for sexual assault that she experienced while covering the Egyptian protests

Claiming that President Obama gave back a major Swath of Arizona Back to Mexico

Citing a Swedish Paper that Obama Photoshopped into Famous Situation Room Photo

I believe in Karma.

Agreed, it’s hard as hell for me to feel sorry for Dim Jim. He’d have blamed President Obama even without the ACA, it’s just providing a convenient excuse.

Targetpractice Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:29:14am

re: #76 blueraven

Excuse me, but he is the one exploiting his own medical condition to score political points.

Yeah, the point of his post is not “My insurer left me high and dry,” but “My insurer left me high and dry because of Obama!!” Kinda hard to read that as anything other than political.

Romantic Heretic Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:29:47am

re: #73 darthstar

It’s only a matter of time before some loon succeeds at a similar plan.

Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:31:59am

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

Thanks for those. I found this also, which should tell everyone something about just how fake some depictions of real women are.

See Why We Have An Absolutely Ridiculous Standard Of Beauty In Just 37 Seconds

upworthy.com

This week’s South Park was about that.
South Park Video

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:32:46am

re: #77 Targetpractice

Agreed, it’s hard as hell for me to feel sorry for Dim Jim. He’d have blamed President Obama even without the ACA, it’s just providing a convenient excuse.

Dim Jim on the Logan assault:
Why would she think this was a good idea? Did she not see the violence in the square the last three weeks? Did she not see the rock throwing? Did she miss the camels? Did her colleagues tell her about the Western journalists who were viciously assaulted on the Square? Did she forget about the taunts from the Egyptian thugs the day before?

Camels? WTF? Are camels a likely indicator of sexual assault in Jim’s universe? I don’t even…..

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:33:00am

re: #73 darthstar

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foxnews.com

He was an airport employee.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:33:43am

re: #73 darthstar

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FALSE FLAG!!1 OBAMA’S COMING FOR OUR GUNZ!!!1 MELON LABEL!!!11

FALSE FLAG!!1 OBAMA’S USING THIS TO JUSTIFY HIS DOMESTIC SPYING!!!1 STAND UP TO THE MAN!!!11

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:35:11am

Out of curiosity I tried to find out which insurers are leaving Missouri. I can’t find any (though that may be the result of poor Google-Fu) What I did find is that Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield has reduced their network of providers due to an inability to come to terms with a major group of hospitals, which hardly sounds like an ACA issue.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:36:20am

NBC News: Man arrested planned suicide bombing at Wichita airport

Read more here: tri-cityherald.com

If the reports of suicide bombing are true it probably points to Islamist motivation.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:37:04am

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel

Dim Jim on the Logan assault:
Why would she think this was a good idea? Did she not see the violence in the square the last three weeks? Did she not see the rock throwing? >Did she miss the camels? Did her colleagues tell her about the Western journalists who were viciously assaulted on the Square? Did she forget about the taunts from the Egyptian thugs the day before?

Camels? WTF? Are camels a likely indicator of sexual assault in Jim’s universe? I don’t even…..

He doesn’t care. To him Lara Logan is just there for his entertainment. The idea of analyzing her mistakes in the infamous BENGHAZI!!1 report would be too much for him, as would be thinking about her willingness to run risks to get the story in Cairo, To Jim Hoft all that is subsumed by his sexism.

Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:37:18am

Not too far from my old stomping grounds in Illinois:

BREAKING NEWS: Explosion reported a the Blue Island chemical plant. Injuries reported. CBS pic.twitter.com/RpXbzSS6fd

— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) December 13, 2013

Explosion, Fire At Blue Island Plant

Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:37:19am

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

She’d actually be more bemused, since in her way of thinking problematic animals are dealt with using a gun. Which is true as far as it goes: You couldn’t set Animal Farm in the US, since that would just end in neighboring farmers showing up with shotguns and blowing the animals away.

Animal Farm 2: Revenge of the Cropsmen

Shiplord Kirel Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:38:44am

The Wichita suspect is 58 year old Terry Lee Loewen. Doesn’t sound like a fired-up jihadi to me, though he was obviously fired up about something. We’ll see.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:39:08am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

NBC News: Man arrested planned suicide bombing at Wichita airport

Read more here: tri-cityherald.com

If the reports of suicide bombing are true it probably points to Islamist motivation.

Confirmation Rule should be in effect. Stories like this generate a great deal of untrue early speculation and reporting errors. Let’s wait till we know more.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:39:42am

heraldtribune.com

U.S. Attorney Barry Grissom said 58-year-old Terry Lee Loewen was arrested Friday morning at Mid-Continent regional airport. Grissom said the man planned to drive a car that he believed was full of explosives into a terminal at the airport.

Investigators say Loewen is an avionics technician who lives in Wichita and works at the airport.

Hmmmm, doesn’t sound like a mujahedeen name.

lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:40:51am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Disrupted plot - he was arrested driving on to airport grounds thinking that the vehicle was rigged to blow with explosives:

The suspect, Terry Lee Loewen, an avionics technician who lives in Wichita, was arrested earlier in the day as he attempted to use his security pass to drive a vehicle that he thought contained explosives onto the tarmac at the airport, law enforcement officials said at a news conference in Wichita. In fact, the car contained only dummy explosives.
“He spent months developing a plan to drive carload of explosives to the terminal and planned to die in the explosion,” U.S. Attorney Barry Grissom said at the news conference.

Loewen, who is white, became radicalized after reading extremist Islamic material on the Internet, Grissom said.

A criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Wichita charges Loewen with one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, one count of attempting to damage property by means of an explosive and one count of attempting to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization. If convicted on all counts, he faces a maximum penalty of life in prison.

The FBI had the suspect under constant surveillance and at no time was the public in danger, said Grissom and Michael Kaste, special agent in charge of the FBI office in Kansas City.

This would be yet another lone-wolf type plot involving someone who became radicalized to carry out terror attacks. It was disrupted because the government had (an) informant(s) who were involved and provided dummy explosives rather than the real deal.

Things to watch for: defense claiming entrapment and ultimately a plea deal rather than having this go to trial.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:41:51am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

heraldtribune.com

Hmmmm, doesn’t sound like a mujahedeen name.

Neither does Jose Padilla.

calochortus Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:42:33am

BBL

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:43:40am

re: #92 lawhawk

Disrupted plot - he was arrested driving on to airport grounds thinking that the vehicle was rigged to blow with explosives:

A sting-type operation, in other words. Good, those are needed to remove wanna-be jihadis from society.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:44:54am

re: #92 lawhawk

Loewen, who is white, became radicalized after reading extremist Islamic material on the Internet, Grissom said.

Shit.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:47:08am

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Shit.

Al Qaeda actually prefers people who don’t look like Arabs and don’t have names seen as “Islamic”, because such people are far less likely to be suspected of terrorism. We caught a break on this one given that the FBI got to this turkey before he made contact with actual terrorists.

Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:47:09am

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

She’d actually be more bemused, since in her way of thinking problematic animals are dealt with using a gun. Which is true as far as it goes: You couldn’t set Animal Farm in the US, since that would just end in neighboring farmers showing up with shotguns and blowing the animals away.

Animal Farm was an allegory. It’s been many years since I read it, but IIRC it does contain a scene in which neighboring farmers show up with their guns. The Animal Farm of course represents the Soviet Union and the “neighboring farmers” are the Germans.

Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:47:17am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

A sting-type operation, in other words. Good, those are needed to remove wanna-be jihadis from society.

It’s amazing how effective these sting operations are in disrupting attacks. It’s become like trying to hire a hitman, there’s a good chance anyone willing to provide explosives is a federal agent.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:47:28am

re: #92 lawhawk

Disrupted plot - he was arrested driving on to airport grounds thinking that the vehicle was rigged to blow with explosives:

This would be yet another lone-wolf type plot involving someone who became radicalized to carry out terror attacks. It was disrupted because the government had (an) informant(s) who were involved and provided dummy explosives rather than the real deal.

Things to watch for: defense claiming entrapment and ultimately a plea deal rather than having this go to trial.

Yet another case where the so-called “plot” was known about from the beginning, and government agents supplied fake explosives.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:50:12am

re: #98 Lord of the Pies

Animal Farm was an allegory. It’s been many years since I read it, but IIRC it does contain a scene in which neighboring farmers show up with their guns. The Animal Farm of course represents the Soviet Union and the “neighboring farmers” are the Germans.

Well, those guys were just Europeans. Real Americans would have won the day, crushed the uprising, and thus protect their profits, capitalism, and the American Way of Life.

This message brought to you by Koch Industries…

///

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:51:07am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Of course, in the Koch version all the Farmers would be armed with AR-15s.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:51:21am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Yet another case where the so-called “plot” was known about from the beginning, and government agents supplied fake explosives.

I take it you do not like this sort of law enforcement operation. I’m not being critical of us, but if so, may I ask why?

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:51:51am

Here’s a pic of the suspect
nydailynews.com

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:52:17am

re: #102 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course, in the Koch version all the Farmers would be armed with AR-15s.

For use against the US only, since they are anti-interventionists.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:53:23am

re: #102 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course, in the Koch version all the Farmers would be armed with AR-15s.

Firing large caliber rounds, though. 5.56x45mm works well on humans and pigs, but its not as good if one is dealing with a horse or cattle.

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Ace-o-aces Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:53:48am

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Here’s a pic of the suspect
nydailynews.com

SHARIA!…oh wait, white guy, never mind.

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aagcobb Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I could show all of you what single payer is like.

It’s not the evil, socialist monstrosity you think it is.

Do you have to perform for the Death Panel to justify your healthcare? Sing, dance, or maybe fight a death match to prove you are worthy? They could be televised; a lot more drama than Dancing with the Stars when your life is on the line!//

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:54:19am

re: #107 Ace-o-aces

SHARIA!…oh wait, white guy, never mind.

Abu bin Billy-Bob

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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:55:24am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I certainly don’t wish harm on Jim, either, but I can’t help noticing that he’ll even use his own medical condition to smear Obama. And by the way, the “government” didn’t “do this” to him — his insurance company did.

Honestly, I’m responding on the gut level that staph is horrific.

The rest of his story requires exactly the level of scrutiny that a Hoft article merits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:55:31am

And heading north again. #BlueAngels pic.twitter.com/oU48LsQYSc

— Gaurav Sabnis (@gauravsabnis) December 13, 2013

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:55:36am

re: #108 aagcobb

Do you have to perform for the Death Panel to justify your healthcare? Sing, dance, or maybe fight a death match to prove you are worthy? They could be televised; a lot more drama than Dancing with the Stars when your life is on the line!//

Sounds very Hunger Games-esque.

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:56:05am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Given what happened on 9/11, does anyone else find that photo a bit eerie?

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:56:41am

re: #107 Ace-o-aces

SHARIA!…oh wait, white guy, never mind.

No, in ‘Counter-Jihad’ circles Whiteness is forfeited if one converts to Islam. Someone who does that becomes a “Dishonorary Brown”. They don’t actually use that term publicly, but the thought is clear from the totality of the statements made by such people about converts to Islam.

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Tigger2005 Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:57:07am

I’m sorry, all I see is this:

The government has no place in our personal health care decisions, and it certainly has no right to play judge, jury, and executioner with our coverage.

I take it this means the right-wing blogosphere has come out against the government interfering in women’s health care choices?

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Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:57:08am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Given what happened on 9/11, does anyone else find that photo a bit eerie?

First thing I thought of.

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Ace-o-aces Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:57:47am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Given what happened on 9/11, does anyone else find that photo a bit eerie?

Yeah, I had the same reaction.

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Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Dec 13, 2013 11:59:28am

re: #116 Kragar

re: #117 Ace-o-aces

Good to know. I thought for a moment I was maybe being too macabre.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:00:40pm

This is @rsmccain's friend. RT @Hatewatch: Neo-Nazi Bill White Indicted for Internet Threats - Again! http://t.co/bCbTlg2dZP
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2013

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:01:14pm

“Friends became concerned last summer when he starting yelling “Allahu Ackbar” at the rodeo”
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:01:26pm

Another:

Excited to upload this pic of the Blue Angels One World Trade flyby. #NYC pic.twitter.com/fs0j99MuSc

— Anthony Quintano (@AnthonyQuintano) December 13, 2013

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Mattand Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:04:11pm

I generally don’t wish harm on a given person, but I also not going to ignore it if they’re particularly vile or malicious.

Therefore, I hope the The Stupidest Man on the Internet has a full recovery.

Even if he’s too much of an asshole to realize the ACA will prevent any future health plan from dropping him for pre-existing conditions.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:04:17pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

I take it you do not like this sort of law enforcement operation. I’m not being critical of us, but if so, may I ask why?

You’re jumping to an incorrect conclusion - I’m glad people like this are being caught. But the bottom line is that they’re clowns, who probably wouldn’t have even gotten as far as they did if the FBI hadn’t been helping them along.

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aagcobb Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:05:48pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

The media’s pathetically lazy in that regard. I had not heard about that particularly example but it sounds just like Mitt to praise Israel’s health care system and then to get right back on the bandwagon of REPEAL ACA without even realizing how two faced he was being.

That subroutine was not programmed into the Mittbot.

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Mattand Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:06:30pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another:

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Fearless Feline Leader mentioned something about fighters buzzing Center City Philly earlier today. Probably in conjunction with the Army-Navy game. I just had a squadron that looks like the one in the WTC photos buzz my neighborhood twice.

I’m guessing that was the Blue Angels? I’m also guessing they could make it from South Jersey to NYC in about 20 minutes.

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:07:20pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

My photos weren’t nearly as good. Taken from Manhattan at street level from east of the WTC, I didn’t have much of a chance - a second at most each pass. And when I did take it, they were too blurry for me to bother sharing. Oh well, got to see ‘em for the first time and it was quite the thrill.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:08:30pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

You’re jumping to an incorrect conclusion - I’m glad people like this are being caught. But the bottom line is that they’re clowns, who probably wouldn’t have even gotten as far as they did if the FBI hadn’t been helping them along.

Understood. Thank you for explaining.

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Single-handed sailor Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:09:36pm

Strange, CNN hasn’t put up any story about the airport, yet. They really have turned to a lousy news service. The story has even made it to BBC.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:09:55pm

re: #125 Mattand

Fearless Feline Leader mentioned something about fighters buzzing Center City Philly earlier today. Probably in conjunction with the Army-Navy game. I just had a squadron that looks like the one in the WTC photos buzz my neighborhood twice.

I’m guessing that was the Blue Angels? I’m also guessing they could make it from South Jersey to NYC in about 20 minutes.

Oaktree actually reported seeing 5 AH-64 Apaches, which are attack helicopters.

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aagcobb Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:10:25pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

It’s amazing how effective these sting operations are in disrupting attacks. It’s become like trying to hire a hitman, there’s a good chance anyone willing to provide explosives is a federal agent.

I wonder how people always find undercover FBI agent hitmen. Do they advertise on Craigslist or something?

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Mattand Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:10:55pm

re: #128 Single-handed sailor

Strange, CNN hasn’t put up any story about the airport, yet. They really have turned to a lousy news service. The story has even made it to BBC.

They’ll get their story on the air as soon as they’re done transcribing what Fox reported.

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Single-handed sailor Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:11:03pm

re: #128 Single-handed sailor

And of course, as soon as I say that they update the site and now have the story.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:12:02pm

re: #132 Single-handed sailor

And of course, as soon as I say that they update the site and now have the story.

Mr. Murphy strikes again!

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Mattand Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:12:31pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Oaktree actually reported seeing 5 AH-64 Apaches, which are attack helicopters.

LOL, thanks! Shows you how much I know about military aircraft. And relying on memory.

I’m pretty sure it was the Blue Angels over my house. The planes and their formation in the NYC photos are pretty close.

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aagcobb Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:12:55pm

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds very Hunger Games-esque.

May the odds ever be in your favor! Now go fight for that heart transplant!

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leftynyc Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:14:06pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Given what happened on 9/11, does anyone else find that photo a bit eerie?

There was a warning the Angels would be in the area - they gave the time and the mission so I can’t say I was concerned when I heard them.

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Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:14:29pm

Active Shooter in lIttleton CO

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Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:14:57pm

BREAKING NEWS - ACTIVE SHOOTER: All schools in Littleton, CO on lockdown after two people shot at Arapahoe High School.
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) December 13, 2013

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:15:36pm

re: #135 aagcobb

May the odds ever be in your favor! Now go fight for that heart transplant!

The odds are never in your favor. /signed the House.

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Mattand Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:15:43pm

From CO: 9news.com

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:15:44pm

re: #130 aagcobb

I wonder how people always find undercover FBI agent hitmen. Do they advertise on Craigslist or something?

I don’t know. Even before the internet the FBI would be on top of people asking around a bar for a hitman. They’ve figured out how to do it. I guess a lot of informants or something like that.

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aagcobb Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:16:02pm

re: #137 Kragar

Active Shooter in lIttleton CO

Well shit.

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KiTA Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:17:24pm

re: #138 Kragar

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Don’t worry everyone, the NRA is dispatching PR Staff as we speak.

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:17:48pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Given what happened on 9/11, does anyone else find that photo a bit eerie?

*raises hand*

Yeah. Any planes, even friendly ones, in the vicinity of Manhattan make me twitch involuntarily.

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:19:41pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

NBC News: Man arrested planned suicide bombing at Wichita airport

Read more here: tri-cityherald.com

If the reports of suicide bombing are true it probably points to Islamist motivation.

Or FBI involvement. Wonder how hard the had to work to convince him to try it. They probably need the press so people don’t realize they’re far more dangerous than the NSA.

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:22:30pm

re: #141 Killgore Trout

I don’t know. Even before the internet the FBI would be on top of people asking around a bar for a hitman. They’ve figured out how to do it. I guess a lot of informants or something like that.

Indeed. Almost certainly Muslim informants as a wannabe jihadi would be unlikely to trust a non-Muslim.

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AlexRogan Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:22:45pm

re: #143 KiTA

Don’t worry everyone, the NRA is dispatching PR Staff as we speak.

Let LaPierre be on the case, so that he may stick his foot so far in his mouth, it’s coming out of his ass.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:23:36pm

I love this photo of Ella Baker, born today in 1903. (And check out Ruby Dee.) pic.twitter.com/kSewq4UV78
— Dwayne Rodgers (@DiggsWayne) December 13, 2013

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:24:23pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

heraldtribune.com

Hmmmm, doesn’t sound like a mujahedeen name.

Bear in mind it wasn’t Muslims that invented suicide bombing; it was the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

Mujahedeen fighters saw the effectiveness of the tactic - low-cost, high-casualty results - and emulated it.

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:24:30pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

A sting-type operation, in other words. Good, those are needed to remove wanna-be jihadis from society.

Presumes he wasn’t an FBI creation like many other supposed terrorists.

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:24:43pm

CNN apparently is now the official mouthpiece for the DPRK (that would be North Korea for the folks who don’t know - like a certain US Rep who tried to shout down HHS Sebelius and didn’t want to hear what she had to say at hearings meant to discuss the ACA by comparing things to South Korea).

gawker.com

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:26:15pm

a photo of the “wannabe airport bomber”

Image: article-wichita-1213.jpg

I don’t know how to say this without seeming insensitive, but he sure looks a bit mentally challenged.

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bubba zanetti Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:29:50pm

School shooting in Denver - #ArapahoeHIgh

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:32:26pm

There’s no word for how excited I am to not follow Twitter’s attempted (and assuredly incredibly unsourced and incompetent) coverage of a school shooting.

I’d just as soon ask 4chan to find a marathon bomber.

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freetoken Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:33:33pm

gannett-tv.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:34:10pm

via CBS Local Channel 4 in Denver:

Police Respond To Active Shooting Situation At Arapahoe High School

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:34:42pm

re: #153 bubba zanetti

Shit.

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:36:13pm

re: #155 freetoken

gannett-tv.com

Dear Lord…flashback to Columbine

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lawhawk Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:36:34pm

Reports indicate that at least two students were shot by a third in the Arapahoe High School cafeteria.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:37:33pm

No surprise here but there are excerpts of his discussions with the FBI agent
Why A Middle-Aged White Man Allegedly Decided He Was Going To Bomb A Kansas Airport

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:38:05pm

re: #153 bubba zanetti

School shooting in Denver - #ArapahoeHIgh

*SIGH* I guess I picked a bad day to participate.

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Kragar Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:38:26pm

@realDonaldTrump @gatewaypundit “We have looked at your claim and decided that we won't pray for your pre-existing condition.”
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 13, 2013

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Lidane Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:40:03pm

LIVE VIDEO: Coverage of reported high school shooting in Centennial, Colo. (via @9News) http://t.co/fqKj8YCbJJ
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 13, 2013

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Dr Lizardo Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:41:30pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

No surprise here but there are excerpts of his discussions with the FBI agent
Why A Middle-Aged White Man Allegedly Decided He Was Going To Bomb A Kansas Airport

What a nut. I’ve never felt compelled to go blow something up because of my co-religionists, and if any of them did suggest I do so, I’d tell them to go f**k themselves.

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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:42:27pm

Pamz is on it like stink on shit.

Feds Disrupt Jihad Homicide Bomb Plot at Wichita Airport: Loewen was clearly a convert to Islam. This story go… http://t.co/YhoS88I6KA
— Pamela Geller (@pamelageller) December 13, 2013

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:42:41pm

If you support the idea of “rape insurance”, then use the liability model and force men to buy it.
— MarkMc (@nmmnboy) December 13, 2013

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RealityBasedSteve Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:43:27pm

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

He may be the Dumbest Man On The Internet, but I wish him luck with his health issues. Wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

and he has the added pressure, and I’m quite serious here, of NOT really being able to possibly pursue his best options, since that could involve realizing that ACA isn’t the demon they have cast it as.

I do wish him well.

RBS

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Lidane Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:46:20pm

Police have begun evacuating students from Arapahoe High School, suggesting that the situation is no longer active http://t.co/ZQwPds1fjF
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) December 13, 2013

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:46:44pm

re: #167 RealityBasedSteve

and he has the added pressure, and I’m quite serious here, of NOT really being able to possibly pursue his best options, since that could involve realizing that ACA isn’t the demon they have cast it as.

I do wish him well.

Can you explain what you mean here?

If by “not able to pursue his best options” you mean “Hoft needs to toe his party line and/or keep himself stupid”, I literally have no pity whatsoever. If he wants to put his media mini-empire ahead of his health, that’s his dumbass call.

Do you mean something else?

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CuriousLurker Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:47:30pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

No surprise here but there are excerpts of his discussions with the FBI agent
Why A Middle-Aged White Man Allegedly Decided He Was Going To Bomb A Kansas Airport

Yeah, if “jihad and implementation of Sharia is absolutely demanded of all the Muslim Ummah” as he claimed, then the FBI would never be able to stop the attacks as there would be millions in the U.S. alone.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:48:02pm

Jim Hoft had fine, life saving insurance and now thanks to obamacare he does not have that insurance anymore. The spin here is that he is forced to buy better insurance and he is an ingrate for not thanking Obama. I’m an ingrate too. My company stopped offering insurance citing Obamacare strictures.
Thank you, Obama.

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:49:26pm

I had literally never seen a THANKS, OBAMA in the wild before.

Wonders never cease!

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:49:52pm

re: #171 EdDantes

Jim Hoft had fine, life saving insurance and now thanks to obamacare he does not have that insurance anymore. The spin here is that he is forced to buy better insurance and he is an ingrate for not thanking Obama. I’m an ingrate too. My company stopped offering insurance citing Obamacare strictures.
Thank you, Obama.

Then your company sucks

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Pie-onist Overlord Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:49:56pm

Best picture of #Jerusalem #snowstorm you will see all day! #IsraelUnderSnow pic.twitter.com/qfljZ1W0U8
— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) December 13, 2013

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:52:12pm

re: #173 blueraven

Then your company sucks

Devastating riposte!

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:53:15pm

re: #175 EdDantes

Devastating riposte!

thanks, just trying to follow your lead.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:54:39pm

re: #176 blueraven

thanks, just trying to follow your lead.

You are a Ninja!

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:56:11pm

re: #171 EdDantes

Jim Hoft had fine, life saving insurance and now thanks to obamacare he does not have that insurance anymore. The spin here is that he is forced to buy better insurance and he is an ingrate for not thanking Obama. I’m an ingrate too. My company stopped offering insurance citing Obamacare strictures.
Thank you, Obama.

So you prefer the spin of Dim Jim? Does that include the rest of his oeuvre, or just his comments on health insurance?

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:56:31pm

re: #164 Dr Lizardo

What a nut. I’ve never felt compelled to go blow something up because of my co-religionists, and if any of them did suggest I do so, I’d tell them to go f**k themselves.

Since the topic of humanity came up earlier, I think it’s human nature that a lot of people a kind of eager to abandon their humanity. Spirituality can be an excuse do this. Humanity and compassion can be restrictive, I think it’s also why people like zombie/apocalypse stories, a lot of people fantasize about how cool it would be to shed the constraints of humanity and become a ruthless bad ass/heartless warrior. It does have a certain appeal.

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Justanotherhuman Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:57:04pm

Arapaho shooting suspect dead of self-inflicted wound, per MSNBC.

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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 13, 2013 12:58:01pm

re: #170 CuriousLurker

Yeah, if “jihad and implementation of Sharia is absolutely demanded of all the Muslim Ummah” as he claimed, then the FBI would never be able to stop the attacks as there would be millions in the U.S. alone.

He also mentions that he disagreed with his sister about that point. Sounds like he was looking elsewhere for validation for his ideas.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:01:26pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

So you prefer the spin of Dim Jim? Does that include the rest of his oeuvre, or just his comments on health insurance?

I didn’t know Jim was spinning anything. I thought he lost his health insurance because of Obamacare

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:02:41pm

re: #182 EdDantes

I didn’t know Jim was spinning anything. I thought he lost his health insurance because of Obamacare

He likely would have been dropped by his old company anyway, given his current needs.

When has Jim posted anything without spin?

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leftynyc Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:08:31pm

re: #171 EdDantes

Jim Hoft had fine, life saving insurance and now thanks to obamacare he does not have that insurance anymore. The spin here is that he is forced to buy better insurance and he is an ingrate for not thanking Obama. I’m an ingrate too. My company stopped offering insurance citing Obamacare strictures.
Thank you, Obama.

Then your employer sucks. Any company that uses the ACA as an excuse to take away your benefits doesn’t care about you. Are they making up for that part of your compensation by giving you a higher salary? If not, they’re just looking to fuck you over while putting more money in their pockets.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:09:15pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

He likely would have been dropped by his old company anyway, given his current needs.

When has Jim posted anything without spin?

But he wasn’t dropped by his insurance company given his current needs. He was dropped because of Obamacare, as millions have been dropped.
When has Jim posted anything without spin?
Perhaps this is first post without spin. But it is an important post.

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:12:41pm

re: #185 EdDantes

But he wasn’t dropped by his insurance company given his current needs. He was dropped because of Obamacare, as millions have been dropped.

—- Edit, I see you what you were responding to.

His company didn’t have to drop him. They could have offered him the same plan but with the (cost-saving) aspects the ACA requires.

Why didn’t his old plan qualify for ACA? What was wrong with it?

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:12:47pm

Oh brother.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:13:16pm

re: #185 EdDantes

But he wasn’t dropped by his insurance company given his current needs. He was dropped because of Obamacare, as millions have been dropped.
When has Jim posted anything without spin?
Perhaps this is first post without spin. But it is an important post.

Jim said,

The company that carried me is leaving the Missouri market. I will have to find something else.

He didn’t actually say Obamacare was at fault, but he did say ‘why is our government doing this to us?’ Maybe his mental faculties have suffered along with his physical ones.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:13:34pm

re: #184 leftynyc

Then your employer sucks. Any company that uses the ACA as an excuse to take away your benefits doesn’t care about you. Are they making up for that part of your compensation by giving you a higher salary? If not, they’re just looking to fuck you over while putting more money in their pockets.

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:14:31pm

re: #189 EdDantes

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

So you were buying individual insurance?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:15:00pm

re: #189 EdDantes

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

And they couldn’t find another carrier?

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:15:21pm

re: #191 blueraven

And they couldn’t find another carrier?

Aetna did not leave California.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:15:31pm

re: #186 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

What do you mean by ‘his current needs’?

Ask wrenchwench, she used the term.

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:15:36pm

re: #189 EdDantes

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

Interestingly, here are Aetna’s small-business offerings in California.

Aetna certainly did not wholly leave the California market, but I suspect you knew that.

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:16:41pm

re: #193 EdDantes

Ask wrenchwench, she used the term.

See my edit.

Also: You’re saying that your company stopped offering Aetna’s insurance because Aetna left California?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:17:24pm

re: #185 EdDantes

But he wasn’t dropped by his insurance company given his current needs. He was dropped because of Obamacare, as millions have been dropped.
When has Jim posted anything without spin?
Perhaps this is first post without spin. But it is an important post.

If it were not for the ACA, doubt he would be able to purchase health insurance now at all, and if he could, the cost would be astronomical.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:17:48pm

re: #194 erik_t

examiner.com

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:18:32pm

re: #197 EdDantes

examiner.com

You said,

Jim Hoft had fine, life saving insurance and now thanks to obamacare he does not have that insurance anymore. The spin here is that he is forced to buy better insurance and he is an ingrate for not thanking Obama. I’m an ingrate too. My company stopped offering insurance citing Obamacare strictures.

And you’re claiming that company was Aetna, but Aetna didn’t stop offering group insurance to businesses in California.

Aetna said it would continue to sell health plans in California to small and large employers as well as offer products related to Medicare, dental and life insurance. A company spokeswoman said it was “fully committed to serving the needs of our 1.5 million members in the state.”

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:20:01pm

re: #198 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Ed, your own article says:

The only market Aetna is pulling out of in California is the individual market. So if you have a Medicare related product or a group health plan through Aetna,

You’re claiming your company dropped your insurance because Aetna left the state, but Aetna didn’t, and they didn’t drop their group insurance.

Can you explain this discrepancy?

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:20:23pm

re: #196 blueraven

If it were not for the ACA, doubt he would be able to purchase health insurance now at all, and if he could, the cost would be astronomical.

He already had insurance and it was cancelled. that is the point. And yes, insurance under Obamacare is astronomical.

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:20:39pm

Even a “source” so shady as examiner.com makes it quite clear that this affects 50,000 out of about 1.5 million of those insured in California.

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erik_t Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:21:34pm

re: #200 EdDantes

He already had insurance and it was cancelled. that is the point. And yes, insurance under Obamacare is astronomical.

Yes. It was such a great fucking bargain before, and plans were never cancelled, and costs never went up, and everyone was thrilled with how the US healthcare system functioned.

I’m done wasting my time down here.

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leftynyc Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:22:13pm

re: #189 EdDantes

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

So what’s stopping them from using another insurance company?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:22:17pm

re: #200 EdDantes

He already had insurance and it was cancelled. that is the point. And yes, insurance under Obamacare is astronomical.

Parroting RWNJ talking points is no way to go through life.

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:23:28pm

re: #203 leftynyc

So what’s stopping them from using another insurance company?

They’d probably be stopped by the fact that Aetna didn’t stop offering insurance to small or large businesses.

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leftynyc Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:24:15pm

re: #200 EdDantes

He already had insurance and it was cancelled. that is the point. And yes, insurance under Obamacare is astronomical.

You see, now I just know you’re a liar as I know two small businesses here in NY that are saving THOUSANDS in premiums under the ACA. I anxiously await your answer to several posters who have already pointed out your lie about Aetna leaving California.

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BroncD Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:24:38pm

Clicking on link to twitchy… that way lies madness.

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Jack Burton Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:24:56pm

re: #200 EdDantes

He already had insurance and it was cancelled. that is the point. And yes, insurance under Obamacare is astronomical.

If you are going for an individual plan through an exchange, AFAIK it can’t be more than 8% of your income (please correct me if I’m wrong). I’m not sure though what pretzel logic, fuzzy math, or wingnut-tinted glasses that qualifies as “astronomical”.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:25:21pm

re: #204 blueraven

Parroting RWNJ talking points is no way to go through life.

I have no idea what RWNJ is but I will look into it.

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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:25:41pm

Aetna did NOT leave California. They stopped selling individual insurance in California, but they’re still providing insurance to the large and small business market.

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Ace-o-aces Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:26:24pm

re: #182 EdDantes

I didn’t know Jim was spinning anything. I thought he lost his health insurance because of Obamacare

See, that’s the point. Jim Hasn’t lost health insurance. He just has to change companies. He will still be able to purchase affordable health insurance and receive needed medical care. At worst, he will be inconvenienced. The wignuts are raving like poor Jim has been left without medical care which simply is not true!

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:27:07pm

re: #209 EdDantes

I have no idea what RWNJ is but I will look into it.

Ed, Aetna didn’t leave the state, and they didn’t stop offering group insurance through employers.

Can you explain the discrepancy between these facts and your story, please?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:28:30pm

re: #212 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Ed, Aetna didn’t leave the state, and they didn’t stop offering group insurance through employers.

Can you explain the discrepancy between these facts and your story, please?

ooops

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:30:01pm

re: #208 Jack Burton

If you are going for an individual plan through an exchange, AFAIK it can’t be more than 8% of your income (please correct me if I’m wrong). I’m not sure though what pretzel logic, fuzzy math, or wingnut-tinted glasses that qualifies as “astronomical”.

If you want the definition of astronomical ask Blueraven at 196 on this thread. Cripes, everyone asks me for definitions of words that the lefties use.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:30:27pm

re: #209 EdDantes

I have no idea what RWNJ is but I will look into it.

Try a mirror.

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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:31:21pm

re: #214 EdDantes

Why are you ignoring Obdicut’s questions?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:35:11pm

re: #216 Varek Raith

Why are you ignoring Obdicut’s questions?

crickets

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Jack Burton Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:35:51pm

re: #214 EdDantes

If you want the definition of astronomical ask Blueraven at 196 on this thread. Cripes, everyone asks me for definitions of words that the lefties use.

Oh OK so this is all just bullshit, and you are talking out of your ass and making shit up as you go. Thanks, I’ll move on. I have more important things to do, like rearranging my sock drawer.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:36:34pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Aetna did NOT leave California. They stopped selling individual insurance in California, but they’re still providing insurance to the large and small business market.

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

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geoffm33 Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:38:34pm

re: #219 EdDantes

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

WTFITS?

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:39:00pm

re: #219 EdDantes

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

That makes no sense at all.

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EdDantes Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:39:31pm

Good evening, everyone. I have to go to work. I will contemplate the advantages of Obamacare later.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:40:21pm

Waste of pixels.

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GeneJockey Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:40:28pm

re: #219 EdDantes

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

If you are getting insurance through your employer, it’s group insurance and Aetna is leaving a market you’re not in.

Sounds like your employer is bullshitting you. Or you’re bullshitting us.

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Jack Burton Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:40:34pm

re: #220 geoffm33

WTFITS?

They stopped selling individual plans.
They still sell group/company plans.
This is Chewbacca, he is on the forest moon of Endor…
…

If Chewbacca does not live on Endor my company can’t offer health insurance.

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blueraven Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:41:39pm

re: #222 EdDantes

Good evening, everyone. I have to go to work. I will contemplate the advantages of Obamacare later.

seek help

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geoffm33 Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:42:04pm

re: #225 Jack Burton

They stopped selling individual plans.
They still sell group/company plans.
This is Chewbacca, he is on the forest moon of Endor…
…

If Chewbacca does not live on Endor my company can’t offer health insurance.

ipso facto fragilisticexpialidocious

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Uncle Obdicut Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:43:07pm

re: #219 EdDantes

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

Ed, you clearly said that Aetna left the state, and that’s why your company stopped offering it:

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

This is pretty sad on your part, man. Pretty fucking sad. Aetna didn’t leave the state, and they did still offer small group insurance.

It really does nothing for your ‘cause’ to be so obviously duplicitous and not even man up to it. Everyone’s reached for some evidence on the internet, it’s not some horrible crime, but denying it when it’s in black and white is just minor-GOP-candidate-for-President level nutty.

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jaunte Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:43:59pm

re: #222 EdDantes

Good evening, everyone. I have to go to work. I will contemplate the advantages of Obamacare later.

One of them is that I have a daughter who doesn’t have to die from severe asthma (a pre-existing condition since age 1) because she can’t lose coverage completely. Anecdotal, true, but the fact is there are a lot of lives that will be saved because of that provision of the ACA.

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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:45:15pm

This is why they lose.

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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 13, 2013 1:45:30pm

re: #224 GeneJockey