The GOP Is Insane: 3 Out of 4 Texas Lt. Gov. Candidates Are Proud Creationists

And they want to force their Dark Ages beliefs on everyone’s children
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One of the biggest reasons why I renounced the right wing: because this kind of sheer insanity driven by religious fanaticism is nearly universal in the Republican Party: Texas Lt. Gov. Hopefuls Voice Support for Creationism.

It’s important to point out that these lunatics are not happy with simply ruining their own children’s futures — they want to force this Dark Ages delusion on everyone’s children by requiring it to be taught in public schools.

Three out of four Republican candidates for Texas lieutenant governor said at a debate in Waco on Thursday evening that creationism should be taught in the state’s public schools.

All four men in the race said religion should play a larger role in public education when asked where they stood on the issue during the event hosted by the McClennan County Republican Party and broadcast by KCEN-TV. But only one, Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, stopped short of endorsing creationism in the state’s curriculum.

Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said he happens “to believe in creationism.”

“I believe that in fairness we need to expose students to both sides of this,” he said. “That’s why I’ve supported including in our textbooks the discussion of the biblical account of life and creation, and I understand there are a lot of people who disagree with me, and believe in evolution.”

Both state Sen. Dan Patrick of Houston and Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples echoed Dewhurst’s remarks, saying that as Christians they believe students should learn the biblical view of creation in school.

“Our students … must really be confused. They go to Sunday School on Sunday and then they go into school on Monday and we tell them they can’t talk about God,” said Patrick. “I’m sick and tired of a minority in our country who want us to turn our back on God.”

Patterson did not mention creationism in his response directly but said he thought schools had focused too much on political correctness out of what he called a mistaken belief that the U.S. Constitution mandated the separation of church and state.

These cavemen aren’t just ignorant and proud of it — they want everyone to be like them.

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245 comments
1 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:09:09am

Charles Johnson,

We are Flintson Stone Kids, Ten Million strong and growing.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:17:14am

Actually, all four are creationists, but one wouldn’t go so far as to supporting teaching it in science class.
So I guess that’s what goes for “not totally crazy” in the Texas GOP.

3 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:19:04am

One big problem is their use of the word ‘both’, as though there are only two versions of how this world came to be. If they accept the Hopi version, non-Hopis might have to leave what is now known as Arizona.

4 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:19:05am

I like this one:

A Cherokee Legend

When the Earth begun there was just water. All the animals lived above it and the sky was beginning to become crowded. They were all curious about what was beneath the water and one day Dayuni’si, the water beetle, volunteered to explore it.

He went everywhere across the surface but he couldn’t find any solid ground. He then dived below the surface to the bottom and all he found was mud.

This began to enlarge in size and spread outwards until it became the Earth as we know it.

After all this had happened, one of the animals attached this new land to the sky with four strings.

Just after the Earth was formed, it was flat and soft so the animals decided to send a bird down to see if it had dried. They eventually returned to the animals with a result.

The land was still to wet so they sent the great Buzzard from Galun’lati to prepare it for them. …

Native American Legends

5 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:20:21am

Texas…’nuff said.

6 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:21:09am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, all four are creationists, but one wouldn’t go so far as to supporting teaching it in science class.
So I guess that’s what goes for “not totally crazy” in the Texas GOP.

Exactly. The one who didn’t explicitly say he’s a creationist is still spouting the religious right nonsense that the Constitution doesn’t mandate separation of church and state.

This is really dreadful. And Texas is not unusual. This is absolutely standard mainstream GOP thinking.

7 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:23:17am
8 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:29:19am

This is exactly the kind of thing that I was talking about on another thread. Primary voters are generally limited to those who are highly motivated to vote, and that often means fringe dwellers and ideologues. Moderates, centerists, mod-(left / right) voters generally aren’t too engaged in the primary process. This is the formula the TP has capitalized on to gain power far in excess of the actual support level of their beliefs.

Couple that with the fact that Texas has had quite a problem with creationists on the state school board, and the fact that since Texas is such a huge schoolbook market, books that are approved by Texas often become the default for other states.

RBS

9 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:30:56am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Exactly. The one who didn’t explicitly say he’s a creationist is still spouting the religious right nonsense that the Constitution doesn’t mandate separation of church and state.

This is really dreadful. And Texas is not unusual. This is absolutely standard mainstream GOP thinking.

Which should not only be terrifying to people who value science and education, but to people who value liberty as well. That’s one of the biggest things the GOP as a whole, but in reality opposes.

10 allegro  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:31:01am

As I recall during at least one of the Republican presidential debates in 2012 the question was asked of the entire panel to raise their hands if they disbelieved in evolution. All hands went up. Not a Texas thing - an ignorant Republican thing. The sane among us Texans have done a pretty good job of fighting them back.

11 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:33:51am

I wonder whether this will come up in the general election too. The Democratic nominee is a Catholic pharmacist. She could cause the Republican nominee some embarrassment, with any luck.

12 jaunte  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:34:48am
Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said he happens “to believe in creationism.”

“I believe that in fairness we need to expose students to both sides of this,” he said. “That’s why I’ve supported including in our textbooks the discussion of the biblical account of life and creation, and I understand there are a lot of people who disagree with me, and believe in evolution.”

Both state Sen. Dan Patrick of Houston and Agriculture Commissioner Todd Staples echoed Dewhurst’s remarks, saying that as Christians they believe students should learn the biblical view of creation in school.

These guys still believe that their version of Christianity is the only religion with the right to do this.

13 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:40:02am

re: #12 jaunte

These guys still believe that their version of Christianity is the only religion with the right to do this.

Which is what I don’t get. Since when did Jesus command that Christianity had to be the law of the land? I don’t remember Him saying any such thing.

14 jaunte  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:40:25am

In Lt. Gov. Race, Bickering Over Minor Differences

With a four-way race, each candidate must plan for the possibility that two of them will end up in a runoff election where presumably only the most motivated — and conservative — voters will show up. They’re all forced into the same strategy: staking out an identity as the Republican right wing’s only authentic choice.

Who is the truest Christian Conservative?

15 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:42:09am

I think Texas should be stripped of its universities and any industry that requires science. Just rip the scab off and let them have their theocracy.

16 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:42:16am
“Our students … must really be confused. They go to Sunday School on Sunday and then they go into school on Monday and we tell them they can’t talk about God,” said Patrick.

Maybe they should teach civics in Sunday school so the students won’t be so confused about this situation.

17 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:43:10am

re: #15 darthstar

I think Texas should be stripped of its universities and any industry that requires science. Just rip the scab off and let them have their theocracy.

Not with Leticia Van De Putte and Wendy Davis running. This is no time to quit.

18 Dave In Austin  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:44:01am

re: #17 wrenchwench

Thank you….. It’ll be a slog but gotta keep at it.

19 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:44:40am

re: #12 jaunte

These guys still believe that their version of Christianity is the only religion with the right to do this.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. There are a LOT of Christians who don’t agree, just to name one would be Pierre Teilhard de Chardin Of course, to some of the extreme fundies, he’s not even a Christian.

RBS

20 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:46:49am

re: #17 wrenchwench

Not with Leticia Van De Putte and Wendy Davis running. This is no time to quit.

Wendy Davis does give me hope. Is Leticia Van De Putte a Lt. Gov candidate?

How long until evangelicals are a minority in Texas?

21 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:47:40am
These cavemen aren’t just ignorant and proud of it — they want everyone to be like them.

One minor quibble: these retrogrades have more in common with the Taliban than cavemen.

22 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:49:11am

re: #18 Dave In Austin

Thank you….. It’ll be a slog but gotta keep at it.

I hope you get help from around the country, including from the national party. I know Wendy can draw support from everywhere, and the little I just read about Leticia is very impressive.

23 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:50:34am

How do Texans think they’re going to get businesses to locate in their state if they have under-educated people to provide a workforce? Sure, you can import better educated workers, but they won’t want their kids educated in Texas schools.

24 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:51:20am

re: #20 darthstar

Wendy Davis does give me hope. Is Leticia Van De Putte a Lt. Gov candidate?

How long until evangelicals are a minority in Texas?

According to Pew, they already are.

25 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:51:41am

Last year, but still quite festive.

Youtube Video

26 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:52:02am

re: #20 darthstar

Wendy Davis does give me hope. Is Leticia Van De Putte a Lt. Gov candidate?

How long until evangelicals are a minority in Texas?

Not soon enough to win next year. Wendy Davis is a decent person, but she is not going to win. Greg Abbot is going to be the next governor of Texas, that’s my prediction.

27 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:54:04am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Not soon enough to win next year. Wendy Davis is a decent person, but she is not going to win. Greg Abbot is going to be the next governor of Texas, that’s my prediction.

Wrong on one count already. Shooting for two.

28 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:55:48am

re: #25 darthstar

Last year, but still quite festive.

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Sadly, it’s digitally altered as per Snopes.

29 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:56:36am

Burglar learns the hard way that you don’t mess with a veteran of the 101st Airborne:

An elderly man in Hampton, Virginia, called 911 when he suspected someone had broken into his home early Tuesday morning. Although officers were unable to locate the suspect, the man not only found him, but shot him in the arm.

SNIP

However, Winder, who was armed, kept searching inside his home on his own and when he went into the barber shop which is adjoined to his house, he noticed something that was out of place.

“I saw a coat on the floor and I looked to pick the coat up. I looked to my left to get the coat up and the guy was standing in the closet,” Winder told reporters.

At that point, Winder said, he fired two shots, hitting the intruder once in the arm.

The reporter then asked Winder what the suspect said. “He didn’t say nothing,” he replied. “I was firing on him he wasn’t gonna say nothing.”

30 blueraven  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

I hope you get help from around the country, including from the national party. I know Wendy can draw support from everywhere, and the little I just read about Leticia is very impressive.

She was pretty fierce in the Wendy Davis filibuster saga.

31 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:04:28pm

Note to self: stay the fuck out of Texas.

32 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:04:31pm

re: #10 allegro

As I recall during at least one of the Republican presidential debates in 2012 the question was asked of the entire panel to raise their hands if they disbelieved in evolution. All hands went up. Not a Texas thing - an ignorant Republican thing. The sane among us Texans have done a pretty good job of fighting them back.

True, but does anyone believe all of them disbelieve in Darwin, or was it all done for votes and appearances to what they all now believe to be the voters that will help carry them.

I did not like any of them, but I am unwilling to admit they all deny science for religion. But I will always admit they will say and do anything for political gain and expediency.

To me that is the saddest part. They see a need to play dumb, they do and all it gets everyone is more dumb. Not a good way to go, but yet, it seems to be a part of a GOP ‘strategy’.

Also, is it a calculated risk, as they may think their more monied and learned members realize they all need to do it too? So, play the game if that is what it takes.

it all feels so dirty. Much of the time, it is.

33 Botsplainer  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:05:01pm

Wonder how they’d react when a teacher decides to take all this critical thinking to talk about how stupid the Bible is, emphasizing:

How petty and venal the portrayed God is.
Poking holes in the alleged history of the Bible.
Pointing out the inherent inconsistencies.
Comparing findings of astrophysics to the Bible.
Making a point to describe the book as a compendium of the oral myths of a tribe of semiliterate Bronze Age goatherds.

34 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:07:09pm

re: #33 Botsplainer

But they wouldn’t be allowed to do that. And that is the problem with religion in the science classroom. Science is falsifiable and religion generally isn’t. And where religion is falsifiable it is hedged about with protections so no one will try to do so.

35 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:07:25pm

re: #13 thedopefishlives

Which is what I don’t get. Since when did Jesus command that Christianity had to be the law of the land? I don’t remember Him saying any such thing.

That happened when David Barton and others like him managed to con a whole lot of folks to think that Jesus is teaching him the Constitution as it was meant by the Bible and he then shares it with others. The founding fathers were good, but not Barton good.

36 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:07:48pm

re: #33 Botsplainer

Wonder how they’d react when a teacher decides to take all this critical thinking to talk about how stupid the Bible is, emphasizing:

How petty and venal the portrayed God is.
Poking holes in the alleged history of the Bible.
Pointing out the inherent inconsistencies.
Comparing findings of astrophysics to the Bible.
Making a point to describe the book as a compendium of the oral myths of a tribe of semiliterate Bronze Age goatherds.

Well, that’s just an outright attack on Christianity. You only present “Both Sides Of the Subject” when it’s in your favor. If you let people attack present an objective view of the Bible then you’re just wrong.

RBS
Who wishes he was wrong…

37 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:12:33pm

I’m probably going to Page this one tomorrow, but I want to share it now, because it’s something everyone should read:

Stephanie Escamilla is videotaping her son Daniel. He is 10. Nobody believes her when she says he hears voices. This tape will be her proof.

When the voices come, they tell Daniel to kill his brother, his mother and himself. Sometimes he turns the TV on full blast to drown out their commands. Or sprinkles holy water around his bed.

As the camera rolls, Stephanie calls psychiatric hospitals near her home in San Antonio. Repeatedly she is turned down. Nothing can be done for her son, she is told, unless “he is a danger to himself or others.” It is December 2009, and Daniel’s hallucinations last more than two hours.

Daniel is 14 now, and his mother no longer needs to convince doctors that he is mentally ill. He suffers from bipolar disorder with psychosis. In the past four years, he has been hospitalized more than 20 times.

But a diagnosis merely marks a beginning. Raising a child with mental illness is “a roller-coaster ride through hell,” Stephanie says. She is engaged in an epic battle on multiple fronts.

Read the article.

38 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:14:54pm

re: #28 calochortus

Sadly, it’s digitally altered as per Snopes.

Thanks for dashing my Christmas cheer on the rocks.

39 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:20:40pm
40 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:21:14pm

re: #38 darthstar

Thanks for dashing my Christmas cheer on the rocks.

Hey, I’m here to help!

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:24:34pm

re: #39 darthstar

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is that a documented fact, or is that just Twitter bilge?

42 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:25:48pm

re: #28 calochortus

Sadly, it’s digitally altered as per Snopes.

I do sort of like the attitude shown by some of the coucil members in Brighton.

Business Improvement District manager Gavin Stewart said the video had caused quite a stir, but added: ‘It is a prank, it’s a hoax. They don’t look like that in real life. It’s a funny thing. We’re taking it as tongue in cheek.’

Brighton councillor Jason Kitcat confirmed the video was a hoax.

‘The video is a creative spoof, but it is making people smile and getting thousands of people talking about Brighton and Hove in the run up to Christmas,’ he [said].

‘That has got to be good news for the city and good news for its traders.’

He added: ‘The lights are paid for and put up by local traders through the Business Improvement District Brilliant Brighton, not the council.

‘I’m sure they will be delighted at the extra publicity at their busiest time of the year.
Read more at snopes.com

Basically, we got pranked, it got us noticed, come on down and spend some money. Gotta love the brits.

RBS

43 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:27:26pm

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44 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:30:30pm

re: #43 darthstar

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Worst.Photoshop.Ever

45 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:30:44pm

re: #43 darthstar

Too big to embed.
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Yes, but did he land the shark?///

46 BongCrodny  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:33:14pm

To quote Fred Flintstone, “Yabba Dabba Derp.”

47 RadicalModerate  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:34:45pm

re: #14 jaunte

In Lt. Gov. Race, Bickering Over Minor Differences

Who is the truest Christian Conservative?

If you read that article, one of the reasons each of them decided to run against Dewhurst was the fact that he wasn’t assertive enough during the Wendy Davis filibuster during the summer.
The one where he basically illegally shut her down, and tried to do an end-around on the legislative rules by passing the bill after the special session had ended - thus causing another special session to be called, and having the bill passed, just to have it immediately slapped down by federal courts.

In other words, he wasn’t enough of a fascist to their liking.

48 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:35:22pm

re: #45 thedopefishlives

Yes, but did he land the shark?///

Think about the fish…exhausted, sees the boat and the gaff hook awaiting him, and wonders, how could my day get any worse?

49 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:38:31pm

re: #47 RadicalModerate

If you read that article, one of the reasons each of them decided to run against Dewhurst was the fact that he wasn’t assertive enough during the Wendy Davis filibuster during the summer.
The one where he basically illegally shut her down, and tried to do an end-around on the legislative rules by passing the bill after the special session had ended - thus causing another special session to be called, and having the bill passed, just to have it immediately slapped down by federal courts.

In other words, he wasn’t enough of a fascist to their liking.

That’s just what they are saying. Their real reason for running is because they think they can take the seat and Dewhurst did not look absolutely victorious in his collision with Wendy Davis.

Selling the point depends on having voters who don’t understand the legislative process, but that’s not a problem in a any state. It is bullshit, though.

50 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:39:57pm

re: #48 darthstar

Think about the fish…exhausted, sees the boat and the gaff hook awaiting him, and wonders, how could my day get any worse?

ROFL. You own me a monitor cleaning now. :) Goes with what I’ve always say: “Don’t challenge ‘worse’, ‘cuz she’ll say “You ain’t seen nothing yet”.”

RBS

51 Ace-o-aces  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:40:49pm

re: #23 calochortus

How do Texans think they’re going to get businesses to locate in their state if they have under-educated people to provide a workforce?

They think that if they cut taxes enough it won’t matter that their infrastructure is falling apart and their schools suck.

52 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:44:22pm

Kittybunkport.

53 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:44:23pm
“I believe that in fairness we need to expose students to both sides of this,” he said.

Makes as much sense as teaching “both sides” about the health effects of smoking: The link between smoking and lung cancer is a causal relationship vs. the link between smoking and cancer is merely statistical noise.

54 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:45:21pm

re: #51 Ace-o-aces

They think that if they cut taxes enough it won’t matter that their infrastructure is falling apart and their schools suck.

I believe they think wrong, then.

55 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:45:54pm

Yah, I just found my thumbdrive with all the kitty pics on it.

Doomed, you are.

56 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:46:04pm

So the Mrs. Fish linked this on her Facebook earlier this week and I can’t stop laughing about it: A Ten-Month-Old’s Letter to Santa

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:46:16pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

is that a documented fact, or is that just Twitter bilge?

Read the grandfather’s name again…closely.

58 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:46:48pm

Cape Canaveral at 30k feet. To the left you can see the vehicle assembly building and the road leading up to the launch pad.

59 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:47:47pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

So the Mrs. Fish linked this on her Facebook earlier this week and I can’t stop laughing about it: A Ten-Month-Old’s Letter to Santa

I love that.

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:47:50pm

re: #58 Dr. Matt

I love good aerial photography.

61 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:48:22pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I love that.

My 8-month-old daughter absolutely agrees with everything on that list.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:48:27pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

Read the grandfather’s name again…closely.

I know the name was written in jest.

63 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:50:09pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

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Kittybunkport.

Doesn’t fully work; Cats do ‘malice’ in a way that Bushes just can’t do.

64 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:51:02pm

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

I love good aerial photography.

I got lucky with that timing. I was sleeping and woke up just in time and whipped out my iPhone to snap several pics.

65 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:52:17pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

is that a documented fact, or is that just Twitter bilge?

Fact. I read it online.

66 jaunte  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:53:08pm
67 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:53:16pm

Not just kittehs.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:54:21pm

re: #65 darthstar

Fact. I read it online.

Are you serious or are you pulling my leg?

69 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:54:46pm

re: #66 jaunte

Hi there. My name is Dug.

70 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:55:16pm

Dark…if you’re wondering, yes…more fact.

71 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:55:39pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Are you serious or are you pulling my leg?

I am seriously pulling your leg.

72 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:55:53pm

At least I hope that’s a leg.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:55:55pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for sharing that (even though I only lasted about a minute with the awful comments on the article).
Having personal family experience with this exact issue, I really hope that Daniel and his family can keep getting stronger and Daniel improves. It’s not going to be easy, at all.

74 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:56:45pm

Must go make scones. Gluten free and not so gluten free. With cranberries.

BBL

75 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:57:35pm

See the snake? Rattler. Freaked my sister out. Heehee.

76 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:58:34pm

Oooo, one can embiggen ‘em in the Master Spy.

77 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:58:53pm

re: #72 darthstar

At least I hope that’s a leg.

It’s my right leg, its just swollen up with the change in seasons.

78 b.d.  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 12:59:46pm

The one guy who didn’t state that he was a creationist is the guy who staged the Bring you gun to the Alamo rally.

Oh joy.

79 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:00:52pm

Bunneh.

80 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:01:08pm
81 RadicalModerate  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:01:16pm

re: #20 darthstar

Wendy Davis does give me hope. Is Leticia Van De Putte a Lt. Gov candidate?

How long until evangelicals are a minority in Texas?

Even though they are a minority, they have done plenty to keep themselves in power - both by disenfranchising minority voters (remember Texas was the state behind the recent legal assaults on the 1965/1972 Voting Rights Acts), and by some of the most egregious examples of gerrymandering in modern history. And from what I’ve seen locally, they are just getting started with what could only be described as nationalist “identity” politics.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:01:50pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for sharing that (even though I only lasted about a minute with the awful comments on the article).
Having personal family experience with this exact issue, I really hope that Daniel and his family can keep getting stronger and Daniel improves. It’s not going to be easy, at all.

The comments aren’t in the main hateful, but after the first 10 or so they completely ignore the article and go right into political skirmishing. It’s not about politics so much as it is the culture, and those posts don’t get that.

83 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:02:11pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

Bunneh.

Not a good time to be without a holy hand grenade.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:03:37pm

re: #83 darthstar

Not a good time to be without a holy hand grenade.

“IT’S COMIN’ RIGHT AT US!!1’ [shotgun fire]

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:04:23pm

re: #83 darthstar

Not a good time to be without a holy hand grenade.

“Is it behind the rabbit?”

86 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:05:36pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

“Is it behind the rabbit?”

No, it IS the rabbit.

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:06:14pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

The comments aren’t in the main hateful, but after the first 10 or so they completely ignore the article and go right into political skirmishing. It’s not about politics so much as it is the culture, and those posts don’t get that.

Also, the know-it-all comments that insist that mental illness isn’t “real” and “those people” need to just “get over it”.
Oh, and “Jesus can fix it”….

SMH…

88 Balfour Rage  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:07:02pm

HERITAGE IZ DA STOOPIDZ.

89 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:07:23pm

I believe in gravity.

90 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:08:11pm

Anyone hear about the sailors getting radiation related illnesses (from contaminated water from the Fukushima disaster) on the USS Ronny Raygun? Right now it is only being reported on right-wing sites. No credible news sources are reporting it……yet.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:08:18pm

BBL

92 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:08:58pm

I think this is Adam chopping down the first Christmas tree in ancient Nuevo Mejico.

93 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:10:03pm

re: #89 SteveMcGazi

I believe in gravity.

Youtube Video

94 Balfour Rage  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:11:29pm

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:12:13pm
96 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:12:17pm

re: 90 Dr. Matt

Would it have killed you to type out “USS Ronald Reagan”? Is a report of radiation sickness really worth mocking?

97 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:13:39pm

re: #96 SteveMcGazi

No, but the fact that is a ship named for him is worth mocking.

98 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:14:18pm

White Sands National Missile Range Monument.

99 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:15:38pm

Call me when they christen the USS Geaorge W. Bush. We’ll have a good time with that one.

100 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:16:13pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

Also an alternate landing site for the Space Shuttle. I remember that because it was in some cheesy kids’ movie about a group that was in space camp that wound up getting launched into orbit for real.

101 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:17:18pm

Wait til they christen the USS Clinton (talk about your angled light deck), or Heaven forbid, the USS Barack Obama!

102 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:18:24pm

Looks like Robert Stacy McWhiteSupremacist has posted yet another diatribe about me. He’s cheesed off about the post on Jim Hoft, because apparently nobody is supposed to ever notice what vile hate-monger Hoft is.

He says it’s mysterious why I dislike Hoft. But you know what? It’s not a mystery at all.

Jim Hoft, First Things, and Libelous Accusations

103 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:18:30pm

re: #101 SteveMcGazi

Wait til they christen the USS Clinton (talk about your angled light deck), or Heaven forbid, the USS Barack Obama!

Image: Clinton_Monument.jpg

104 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:19:29pm

They might need a longer dry dock for the latter.

105 Dr. Matt  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:19:41pm

re: #96 SteveMcGazi

re: 90 Dr. Matt

Would it have killed you to type out “USS Ronald Reagan”? Is a report of radiation sickness really worth mocking?

Who is mocking reports of radiation sickness? Your fake outrage/hissy fit is a tad bit embarrassing.

106 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:20:22pm

re: #8 RealityBasedSteve

the fact that since Texas is such a huge schoolbook market, books that are approved by Texas often become the default for other states.

This is their primary motive, full stop. Get rid of the textbook scam and the creationist strategy falls apart.

107 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:20:49pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

He’s just mad that he hasn’t warranted a front-page post from you in forever.

108 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:21:01pm

I guess mocking a President is more important to somebody than a report of our sailors getting radiation sickness. Priorities, folks!

109 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:21:51pm

re: #106 Lidane

This is their primary motive, full stop. Get rid of the textbook scam and the creationist strategy falls apart.

The move to e-book based classrooms is going to do that naturally.

110 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:24:51pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Looks like Robert Stacy McWhiteSupremacist has posted yet another diatribe about me. He’s cheesed off about the post on Jim Hoft, because apparently nobody is supposed to ever notice what vile hate-monger Hoft is.

He says it’s mysterious why I dislike Hoft. But you know what? It’s not a mystery at all.

Jim Hoft, First Things, and Libelous Accusations

I bet it was really the reposting of Jaunte’s portrait of him that set Stacy off.

111 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:25:13pm

Dr. Matt, (my reply and quote buttons don’t work if you wonder why my responses look odd), you can always mock anybody, I just don’t think radiation sickness is the time and place. If they got food poisining and puked their guts up, that’s funny. If they had uncontrollable gas, runny noses, sure. Warts, rashes, hair loss…

112 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:25:22pm

re: #108 SteveMcGazi

I guess mocking a President is more important to somebody than a report of our sailors getting radiation sickness. Priorities, folks!

There’s also multitasking.

113 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:27:14pm

Now I’m watching a really good thing on the evolution of the Ichthyosaurs. I’m glad that I don’t have to worry about 35 foot long mega-predators with teeth like triangular steak knives.

RBS

114 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:27:35pm

Radiation detected on U.S. warship near Japan

TOKYO - The U.S. Seventh Fleet said Monday it had moved its ships and aircraft away from a quake-stricken Japanese nuclear power plant after discovering low-level radioactive contamination.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports that there were two separate radiation exposures on the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan. The first was to air crews who were swabbed upon returning from search and rescue (SAR) missions, 17 of whom were found to have received the equivalent of a month’s radiation and had to be decontaminated.

The second exposure occurred when the carrier’s shipboard alarms went off. Since the Reagan is nuclear-powered, it has sensors to detect radioactivity, said Martin, and those went off as soon as the radiation levels went above the naturally-occurring background.

115 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:27:55pm
116 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:29:03pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

The move to e-book based classrooms is going to do that naturally.

It can’t happen fast enough. The sooner these cretins have their strategy to make kids dumber stopped, the better.

117 HappyWarrior  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:30:33pm

So about that rebranding GOP……..

118 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:30:56pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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But aren’t you supposed to be…what’s the word…oh right, “irrelevant”?

119 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:32:54pm

I think e books work both ways. It gives the cretins a chance to put up a cheap rival to the left wing ejamacational complex.

120 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:35:43pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

But aren’t you supposed to be…what’s the word…oh right, “irrelevant”?

He’s proving that by writing post after post after post after post about me.

121 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:36:05pm

re: #116 Lidane

It can’t happen fast enough. The sooner these cretins have their strategy to make kids dumber stopped, the better.

Daughter1 taught her specialized (jail) classes for 4-5 years with no textbooks. She got grants from Dollar General that let her buy 30 Kindles and accounts.

122 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:36:55pm

re: #119 SteveMcGazi

I think e books work both ways. It gives the cretins a chance to put up a cheap rival to the left wing ejamacational complex.

It’s already happening… been some posts on one of the religiously oriented home schooling material, and here’s one I just found from Liberty University Online. The bolded material is my emphasis.

Because Liberty University Online Academy believes that a Christian homeschooling education is of primary importance, Christ is presented in all classes, and the Bible is the basis for instruction.

All course materials are held to biblical standards for measurement; historical facts are reported as such, and all opinion/interpretation/editorializing must withstand the scrutiny of Scripture.

All Christian homeschooling teachers acknowledge that, aside from the Bible, there is no infallible material, and therefore must use discretion when using course material; notions which contradict Scripture are challenged, and regarded as theoretical or as false.

RBS

123 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:37:24pm

Snow? In Cairo? What global warming LOL ha ha ha.

Robert Stacy McCain, Stormfront Sophisticate

124 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:37:33pm

re: #119 SteveMcGazi

I think e books work both ways. It gives the cretins a chance to put up a cheap rival to the left wing ejamacational complex.

Technology is neutral—can’t make it dolt-proof.

125 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:37:48pm

Back to the bikes.

126 nines09  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:38:17pm

The GOP is like a drunk driver who insists he is fine, all is well and just get in the car. Film at 11.

127 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:38:27pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Technology is neutral—can’t make it dolt-proof.

“If you make something idiot proof, someone will just make a better idiot.”

128 HappyWarrior  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:39:13pm

re: #123 Tim TeaBro

Snow? In Cairo? What global warming LOL ha ha ha.

Robert Stacy McCain, Stormfront Sophisticate

What’s sad is that’s a slight improvement on Paul Ryan questioning Global Warming when there was a snow storm in February in his district. I really think idiots like RSM feel that it has to be burning hot everyday for climate change to be real.Me? I’d just rather trust scientists who have more scientific training in a mere semester than idiots like RSM have in a lifetime.

129 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:39:34pm

This is what happens when you have dumb asses with money running your state. Money talks and bullshit does, too, in TX.

Meanwhile, what an otherwise gloomy day. We started watching Netflix, dozed off, and woke up 3 hours later to the dark at 4 pm, that’s how overcast it is here—you want to hibernate. : )

130 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:39:53pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

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Back to the bikes.

I’m doing and inspection / tuneup on all my rolling stock today.

RBS

131 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:40:22pm

re: #130 RealityBasedSteve

I’m doing and inspection / tuneup on all my rolling stock today.

RBS

What scale?

132 SteveMcGazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:41:25pm

Could you imagine trying to have a legit theology discussion with one of those Liberty University types? Geez when I went to Father Judge High School they even taught us that the Bible wasn’t to be taken literally. These guys probably don’t even understand what faith is. If you’re certain, you can’t have faith.

133 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:41:55pm

re: #130 RealityBasedSteve

I’m doing and inspection / tuneup on all my rolling stock today.

RBS

Me too, but I’m not entirely certain we’re talking about the same thing…

134 Tim TeaBro  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:42:30pm

Stormfront Sophisticate is a term I’ve thought of for some time describe the bow tie racists, those who elicit a scholarly tone in judging people by their race. Derbyshire being one of the most prominent ‘I’m not racist!’ racists.

135 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:43:37pm

No pinch, no stink, no sweat.

Youtube Video

136 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:45:14pm

re: #123 Tim TeaBro

Snow? In Cairo? What global warming LOL ha ha ha.

Robert Stacy McCain, Stormfront Sophisticate

Ha. His idea of “sophisticated” is hanging out with the Palins.

137 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:45:24pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

What scale?

Cleaning / lube / adjust all the wheel bearings (most of mine are still ball and cone), checking spoke tension and turing wheels, inspecting all the cables, replacing any that look suspect, deep-clean the chains and finish off with getting everything ‘just right’. Good busy work on a cold damp weekend. I’ve got them all set up just how I like them equipment / component-wise, so no major replacements or upgrades planned.

RBS

138 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:46:22pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

No pinch, no stink, no sweat.

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You just know those were invented for Ron Jeremy.

139 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:51:09pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

What scale?

1:1 scale bicycle models … ;)

140 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:51:26pm

re: #138 Justanotherhuman

You just know those were invented for Ron Jeremy.

I used a picture of Ron Jeremy in a PowerPoint I did, where I asked “Any Questions”. My boss asked me why I had a picture of him, and I just look her straight in the eye and said “Who is he? I just found a funny pic of a confused guy. Is he somebody you know?”. (yea, I’m a jerk)


RBS

141 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:51:34pm

re: #137 RealityBasedSteve

Cleaning / lube / adjust all the wheel bearings (most of mine are still ball and cone), checking spoke tension and turing wheels, inspecting all the cables, replacing any that look suspect, deep-clean the chains and finish off with getting everything ‘just right’. Good busy work on a cold damp weekend. I’ve got them all set up just how I like them equipment / component-wise, so no major replacements or upgrades planned.

RBS

That sounds like a big model train to me.

142 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 1:53:53pm

re: #141 Gus

That sounds like a big model train to me.

oh, it’s my bicycles. I’m not into model trains, but one of my bosses was big time. I see a lot of train stuff come up at auctions I go to, but since I don’t have a clue as to value, I stay away from it.

RBS

143 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:02:27pm

There is a lot of aftermath from Fukushima.

In growing lawsuit, servicemembers fault TEPCO for radiation-related illnesses

stripes.com

144 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:13:12pm

Colorado Shooter Legally Purchased 12 Gauge Shotgun

abcnews.go.com

Well, he was 18…

Commenters are vicious and calling him “liberal”, “socialist”, “communist”—the usual BS.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:15:57pm
146 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:20:23pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Colorado Shooter Legally Purchased 12 Gauge Shotgun

abcnews.go.com

Well, he was 18…

Commenters are vicious and calling him “liberal”, “socialist”, “communist”—the usual BS.

Surprised that the media hasn’t already begun pushing the “mental illness” angle again. Perhaps they’re trying to decide whether or not they might get mileage out of “violent video games” this go-around.

147 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:20:45pm
148 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:22:22pm

As if what you believe has any effect on exterior reality.

149 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:23:18pm

Link
Boring towercam image.

BBL

150 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:23:19pm

re: #90 Dr. Matt

Anyone hear about the sailors getting radiation related illnesses (from contaminated water from the Fukushima disaster) on the USS Ronny Raygun? Right now it is only being reported on right-wing sites. No credible news sources are reporting it……yet.

How can that be? I am constantly being told by right wingers that we couldn’t possibly be effecting the environment by our actions/emmissins as insignificant as we are in comparison to the world. It must be some natural release, or cyclical event. Yeah, the radiation cycle. We must be at its peak.

151 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:26:36pm
152 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:28:16pm

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Colorado Shooter Legally Purchased 12 Gauge Shotgun

abcnews.go.com

Well, he was 18…

Commenters are vicious and calling him “liberal”, “socialist”, “communist”—the usual BS.

Here’s the Denver Post story on the shooter.

153 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:29:13pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

So the Mrs. Fish linked this on her Facebook earlier this week and I can’t stop laughing about it: A Ten-Month-Old’s Letter to Santa

Reminds me of this…

Youtube Video

154 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:31:09pm

Just another commie killer!

155 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:33:37pm

He’s not really a mass killer.

156 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:37:30pm

Testing.

157 dog philosopher  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:44:20pm

arapahoe

let’s say you wanted to conduct an experiment:

given unrestricted access to a very broad range of deadly weapons, how many people in a given population are in a pathological psychological state that causes them to use these weapons to murder people?

this experiment is called the united states

158 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:49:31pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

The USN was giving assistance for SAR, so yes, some USN members were exposed to low level radiation back in 2011.

This has no implication for anything other than learning a lesson in giving close assistance to a nuclear wasted disaster. Current radiation in Fukushima is just too little to affect anybody not in the immediate vicinity.

159 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:50:10pm

re: #152 Gus

Here’s the Denver Post story on the shooter.

“Thomas Conrad, who had an economics class with the gunman, described him as a very opinionated Socialist.”

Also described as a “Keynesian” (which is not socialist or communist, last I heard), and opinionated on guns (which was never explained in the article).

I think most of those students probably don’t know the difference between a “liberal” and a “socialist”, either. Obviously, anyone who would do such a thing also had some other mental issues going on, and if this young man was bullied for his beliefs (esp by the debate coach, the authority figure he went after), it might have pushed him over the top.

One commenter posted this, as if we are in a state of siege in this country and are at war with each other—that is their vision.

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160 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:52:32pm

First things first..Army Navy game is on.. GO NAVY!
I’ll only be on here now and then. I’m in the middle of the move and haven’t got Internet yet up north. This is exhausting as you all know about moving.
I slept till 3pm today and was very pissed about it. I either needed to take a break or I’ve become fucking lazy.

How come Texas gets all the pub about creationist? Don’t count Oklahoma out yet.
/

161 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:55:19pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

I’ve noted to other wingnuts before that that picture is not indicative of anything other than American ignorance of Israel daily life. That’s not a typical school day, those kids are on a class trip. That teachers don’t get issued long-arms unless they’re outside school grounds and even then not all carry weapons. That such policies are almost universally limited to communities in or near disputed territory due to the raised risk of attacks. And that most of those teachers who do carry are Israel Army reservists, i.e. people who are trained extensively in how to carry and operate a firearm.

162 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 2:58:40pm

Follow up to the TX creationists candidates:

The topic of teaching creationism has come up in the race for lieutenant governor. Republican Sen. Dan Patrick joined us to explain his stance on the issue, along with border security, graduation requirements and more.

Watch the middle video.

4:40 in about the 17th amendment. Really. At least Patrick seems to be realistic about it, but he is on the bus of the idea that it was a bad idea. Really.

6:38 creationism topic. Yes, he’s a full time theocrat. The problems we have today he blames on the loss of God in the family. He’s the one agonizing about losing the “Judeo-Christian” base of our nation.

This is a guy who is in part in charge of education in the TX legislature.

163 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:01:01pm

That station is “YNN”, which is a Time Warner all news channel for central TX. The host clearly had not intention to challenge his guest on anything he said.

This is not journalism. This is being a puppet.

164 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:01:14pm

My little baby grandson is here.

First he took off his shoes.
Then some time later off came his socks.
Just a few minutes ago he took off his t-shirt.

He’s doing his best to become a naked baby.

0_o

165 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:01:51pm

re: #160 HoosierHoops

First things first..Army Navy game is on.. GO NAVY!
I’ll only be on here now and then. I’m in the middle of the move and haven’t got Internet yet up north. This is exhausting as you all know about moving.
I slept till 3pm today and was very pissed about it. I either needed to take a break or I’ve become fucking lazy.

How come Texas gets all the pub about creationist? Don’t count Oklahoma out yet.
/

I doubt you’re lazy; listen to your body and rest. Don’t be so hard on yourself—you probably did need the break. I took a 3 hr nap myself and I’m not even moving anywhere, but my system did undergo a molar extraction on Thurs.

It was dark at 4 pm here—rainy, damp, overcast—my lizard brain kicked in for some hibernation—even the 4 yr old slept.

166 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:03:40pm

We mistakenly killed 13 people in a wedding party in Yemen last week and America shrugged it off. We killed up to 500,000 Iraqis during the invasion of Iraq and America shrugged it off. Dozens are killed in gang violence every month in Chicago and America shrugs it off.

167 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:03:58pm

State Sen Daniel Patrick:

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, pretty much a wingnut anyway you slice him.

168 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:04:22pm

re: #160 HoosierHoops

How come Texas gets all the pub about creationist? Don’t count Oklahoma out yet.
/

Mostly because of the textbook scam. The nutters have been targeting Texas for ages because of the large number of textbook orders every year and because in general, the books that are selected here become the standard in other states.

Get rid of the textbook scam and the nutters would have to find valid reasons why their ideas should be taught in schools.

169 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:05:59pm

re: #166 Gus

We mistakenly killed 13 people in a wedding party in Yemen last week and America shrugged it off. We killed up to 500,000 Iraqis during the invasion of Iraq and America shrugged it off. Dozens are killed in gang violence every month in Chicago and America shrugs it off.

Yes, because brown and black people.

It’s only the deaths and disapperances of white people that get most of hte press. When a black kid gets killed (such as Trayvon Martin) the first assumption is that they asked for it or did something to provoke it.

170 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:07:37pm

While mental health is a very important issue, I’m not sure that at least narrowly construed, it is the major cause of gun violence. I don’t think people who shoot others (under normal circumstances) are normal, mentally healthy people, but I’m not sure they can be meaningfully medically diagnosed.

We seem to have a lot of people who are brought up in less than ideal circumstances where violence is endemic, life is very unpredictable, and they lack role models and structure in their lives. Not surprisingly, they don’t make long term plans, often have anger management problems and aren’t in any sort of stabilizing relationships. The mental health system isn’t really where these folks belong.

At the same time, there are many, many mentally ill people in desperate need of help which no one wants to give them unless they have already proved they want to kill people. Since most aren’t going to do that, no one helps them.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it looks like we’re a long way from finding it.

171 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:08:39pm

I suppose we can blame this on Obamacare somehow:

Police Say NY Teen Parents Made Toddler Smoke Pot

Police say a pair of New York teenagers forced their 23-month-old child to smoke marijuana.

The Chautauqua (shuh-TAW’-kwuh) County sheriff’s office tells The Buffalo News ( bit.ly ) that the toddler’s parents and grandfather allegedly helped or watched the toddler smoke marijuana from a lighted bowl on Dec. 5 in an apartment in western New York.

Authorities say 17-year-old Jessica Kelsey, 18-year-old George Kelsey and Jessica’s 54-year-old father, Don Baker, were arraigned Friday on charges of second-degree reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child. […]

172 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:09:26pm

Isn’t marijuana supplies part of the required formulary for Obamacare plans?

173 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:09:30pm

Americans lust for violent entertainment on a daily basis. Children are exposed to dramatic murders on television in their pre-school years. People laugh at movie theaters when people are slaughtered in movies.

174 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:09:41pm

Alright, I’m back. What did I miss?

175 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:11:22pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Alright, I’m back. What did I miss?

We’ve discovered we’re part of an extremely violent species that have already wiped out half of the biosphere and is on the way to doing itself in, either by ones-ies or en masse.

176 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:11:46pm

re: #175 freetoken

We’ve discovered we’re part of an extremely violent species that have already wiped out half of the biosphere and is on the way to doing itself in, either by ones-ies or en masse.

So, business as per usual, then.

177 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:12:29pm

re: #175 freetoken

We’ve discovered we’re part of an extremely violent species that have already wiped out half of the biosphere and is on the way to doing itself in, either by ones-ies or en masse.

Pretty much. What’s on TV tonight?!

178 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:12:51pm

re: #176 thedopefishlives

It’s best to try and not become too self aware.

179 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:13:07pm

re: #177 Gus

Pretty much. What’s on TV tonight?!

Strictly Come Dancing semi-finals.

180 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:13:21pm

re: #168 Lidane

Mostly because of the textbook scam. The nutters have been targeting Texas for ages because of the large number of textbook orders every year and because in general, the books that are selected here become the standard in other states.

Get rid of the textbook scam and the nutters would have to find valid reasons why their ideas should be taught in schools.

You know what is funny? I went to Catholic School until High School.
My Frosh year in Public School I never took one book home from school to study. Those damn nuns! English, Science, Math, Religion were taught with fervor. I did catch hell from the folks for never having homework.
But Mom and Dad..These guys don’t even know the general gas laws yet.
They had a hell of a basketball team though

181 Ming  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:17:05pm

One of the Republican candidates is putting forth a “straw man”:

“Our students … must really be confused. They go to Sunday School on Sunday and then they go into school on Monday and we tell them they can’t talk about God,” said Patrick.

This isn’t true. No one is telling any child that they can’t talk about god.

An analogy should make this clear. It should be clear that no one is telling any child that they can’t talk about their cat or their dog.

Kids can talk about all kinds of things: their cat, their dog, their favorite coloring book, their parents, whatever.

And, during classes, it’s inappropriate for students to talk about things that have no relevance to the class, because this wastes time and reduces the educational benefits for the other students.

So, during a Spanish class, it will generally be inappropriate for a student to speak French. No one is telling any child that they can’t speak French. It’s just that during most of their classes (with the obvious exception of French class) it will probably be inappropriate for them to speak French.

Same with talking about god. In a science class, it’s almost always inappropriate for a teacher, or a student, to talk about god (whatever they mean by “god”, which is a pretty incoherent concept to begin with). Similarly, in a science class, it’s almost always inappropriate for a teacher, or a student, to talk about the birthday present they’re planning to give to their sister.

No one is telling any child that they can’t talk about birthday presents.

I’m belaboring the point because I’m really angry to encounter these “straw men” again and again. It’s like Mitt Romney’s famous statement that “Democrats hate profitable companies.” It’s a flat-out lie, just like saying “we tell them they can’t talk about God,” is a flat-out lie.

182 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:17:39pm

re: #179 freetoken

Strictly Come Dancing semi-finals.

Let me see… checking local listings on broadcast TV…

Cold Case Files — Forensic clay modeling helps investigators identify a murder victim; two boys perform satanic rituals and set fires.

Cold Case Files — A woman helps to solve her mother’s murder; an officer solves the murder of a newspaper-delivery woman.

Cold Case Files — BTK Dennis Rader terrorizes Wichita, Kan., for decades, leaving at least 10 murder victims in his wake.

Private Practice — Violet’s emotional trauma from her violent attack at home is not going away, despite her friends’ best efforts to help; Addison and Naomi try to mend their tension-filled relationship; Sam and Cooper treat a man who was stabbed by his wife.

48 Hours — In the investigation of the murder of a one-time millionaire, both his ex-wife and his son are suspects.

183 KingKenrod  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:17:48pm

re: #168 Lidane

Mostly because of the textbook scam. The nutters have been targeting Texas for ages because of the large number of textbook orders every year and because in general, the books that are selected here become the standard in other states.

I’ve been reading this for years. Is there any evidence this scheme is actually working? I find it hard to believe that states that don’t want to teach this garbage can’t find an alternative, or that textbook publishers would leave large market segments to competitors because they don’t want to make separate editions.

184 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:18:02pm

Meanwhile, over at National Racists Online, someone writes (well, copies) a pearl-clutching piece over the defacing of archaeological treasures in Egypt.

Annals of The Arab Spring (Ctd.)


It’s just a sophisticated form of a dog whistle, as the comments exhibit:

Sammy • 4 hours ago
I would truly like to see a global war where all non-Muslims unite to finally stamp out this cancer upon mankind. Whatever it takes.

Yeah, as if these sites have not been plundered for thousands of years by tomb raiders, or were not already stripped of valuables by the European colonialists who took the treasures back to Europe?

185 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:19:18pm

4 murders and 1 violent attack. That’s just rabbit ears TV.

186 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:20:39pm

re: #185 Gus

4 murders and 1 violent attack. That’s just rabbit ears TV.

Where is the sex, dammit.

187 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:21:04pm

re: #186 b_sharp

Where is the sex, dammit.

In the bedroom where it belongs.

188 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:21:20pm

re: #186 b_sharp

Where is the sex, dammit.

This is Murica!

189 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:21:34pm

Duluth work pants vs. giant angry beaver.

Youtube Video

190 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:23:06pm

re: #187 thedopefishlives

In the bedroom where it belongs.

Not in the kitchen or living room?

191 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:23:19pm

re: #184 freetoken

Meanwhile, over at National Racists Online, someone writes (well, copies) a pearl-clutching piece over the defacing of archaeological treasures in Egypt.

Annals of The Arab Spring (Ctd.)

It’s just a sophisticated form of a dog whistle, as the comments exhibit:

Yeah, as if these sites have not been plundered for thousands of years by tomb raiders, or were not already stripped of valuables by the European colonialists who took the treasures back to Europe?

In the name of Jesus and their kings

192 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:24:42pm
193 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:25:57pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Duluth work pants vs. giant angry beaver.

[Embedded content]

Do they come in Petite sizes? I’m sure they have flannel-lined. It’s Duluth.

194 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:26:52pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Caption offering: These holes are too hard.

195 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:27:26pm

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Alright, I’m back. What did I miss?

Charles did a pole dance. It was all you can imagine.

RBS

196 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:27:31pm
197 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:30:03pm

Duluth Trading Women’s TV Ad: Flannel Made Fetching

Youtube Video

198 KingKenrod  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:31:51pm

Snowing in Cairo and surrounding area, first time in 112 years.

199 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:32:04pm

It’s like an anti-war person that only watches war movies.

200 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:32:37pm

One moment Americans are decrying Wall Street and greed and the next moment they’re idolizing Gordon Gecko.

201 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:35:30pm

re: #183 KingKenrod

I’ve been reading this for years. Is there any evidence this scheme is actually working? I find it hard to believe that states that don’t want to teach this garbage can’t find an alternative, or that textbook publishers would leave large market segments to competitors because they don’t want to make separate editions.

In general, they don’t want to make separate editions. That’s been the problem all these years. Publishers aren’t going to make a Texas Edition and a Rest of the Country Edition for their books. They’re going to make one that caters to their largest buyer and then sell that edition in the other 49 states. It’s why the nutters have been working so hard to change Texas educational standards to reflect the far right. They want their version of the truth to be the institutional standard of what kids read in their textbooks.

The shift to e-books and tablets in classrooms, with teachers having more flexibility on which books they assign would be a much larger threat to the nutters and their attempts to dumb kids down. So would unified national standards for what needs to be taught in schools (especially with respect to history and science). Things are hopefully starting to shift in that direction.

202 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:38:05pm

re: #198 KingKenrod

Snowing in Cairo and surrounding area, first time in 112 years.

[Embedded content]

I think that’s a hoax.

203 Teukka  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:39:14pm

re: #202 Gus

I think that’s a hoax.

It wouldn’t surprise me if it was real.

204 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:39:17pm

This one looks real.

205 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:40:57pm

re: #203 Teukka

It wouldn’t surprise me if it was real.

Yeah. Apparently only one person took one picture of that scene.

206 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:40:58pm

re: #190 b_sharp

Not in the kitchen or living room?

Nah, but the laundry room is always good. And the Mrs. Fish drives the perfect car for a little backseat lovin’.

207 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:41:12pm

re: #201 Lidane

SNIP….
The shift to e-books and tablets in classrooms, with teachers having more flexibility on which books they assign would be a much larger threat to the nutters and their attempts to dumb kids down. So would unified national standards for what needs to be taught in schools (especially with respect to history and science). Things are hopefully starting to shift in that direction.

Here in Tennessee last year (home of the Scopes Trial) they passed the grossly misnamed “Freedom of Education” act, which protects any teacher that wants to “teach the controversy” and “present both sides” on evolution. In other words, it’s an open license to present a religious belief as as matter of scientific value.

RBS

208 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:43:34pm

re: #198 KingKenrod

Snowing in Cairo and surrounding area, first time in 112 years.

I thought that was debunked?

209 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:43:49pm

re: #203 Teukka

It wouldn’t surprise me if it was real.

Snow Egyptby NitroBunny
Digital Art / Photomanipulation / Landscapes & Scenery(c)2011-2013 NitroBunny

210 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:46:07pm

re: #207 RealityBasedSteve

Here in Tennessee last year (home of the Scopes Trial) they passed the grossly misnamed “Freedom of Education” act, which protects any teacher that wants to “teach the controversy” and “present both sides” on evolution. In other words, it’s an open license to present a religious belief as as matter of scientific value.

RBS

“Teaching the controversy,” aka instilling in children an inherent distrust of science and authority, which can be cultivated in later years into outright denial of scientific fact.

211 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:46:56pm

re: #207 RealityBasedSteve

Here in Tennessee last year (home of the Scopes Trial) they passed the grossly misnamed “Freedom of Education” act, which protects any teacher that wants to “teach the controversy” and “present both sides” on evolution. In other words, it’s an open license to present a religious belief as as matter of scientific value.

RBS

Then since they can talk about it, the teacher can discredit creationism to their hearts content. To show exactly why creationism isn’t a credible scientific hypothesis. Then get on with teaching evolution theory that has many corroborations of the principals it espouses.

212 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:47:24pm

It even has the Deviant Art watermark on it.

213 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:48:13pm

re: #207 RealityBasedSteve

Here in Tennessee last year (home of the Scopes Trial) they passed the grossly misnamed “Freedom of Education” act, which protects any teacher that wants to “teach the controversy” and “present both sides” on evolution. In other words, it’s an open license to present a religious belief as as matter of scientific value.

RBS

Yeah…nothing like having a RWNJ TPGOP super-majority up on our Capitol Hill, with a Democratic contingent that’s so neutered, they can’t put up anything other than token resistance.

*spits*

214 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:49:49pm

In case you’re looking for a Fed Ex delivery…

fedex.com

215 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:50:03pm

re: #198 KingKenrod

Snowing in Cairo and surrounding area, first time in 112 years.

[Embedded content]

…
That looks so awesome yet wrong.

216 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:50:32pm

re: #212 Gus

It even has the Deviant Art watermark on it.

Whole lot of untouched landscape pictures and whatnot on Deviant Art.

217 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:50:48pm

re: #202 Gus

I think that’s a hoax.

And now I know why.
;)

218 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:51:33pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

Whole lot of untouched landscape pictures and whatnot on Deviant Art.

It’s from 2011.

219 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:52:02pm

re: #207 RealityBasedSteve

Here in Tennessee last year (home of the Scopes Trial) they passed the grossly misnamed “Freedom of Education” act, which protects any teacher that wants to “teach the controversy” and “present both sides” on evolution. In other words, it’s an open license to present a religious belief as as matter of scientific value.

RBS

I’m sure they will welcome the discussion of Ahura Mazda, Isis and Osiris, or perhaps the Dream Time, as well.

220 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:52:14pm

re: #218 Gus

It’s from 2011.

Touche.

221 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:52:32pm

Person takes picture of snow on the pyramids. Someone from Egypt. And the first thing they do is upload it to Deviant Art. Right. Makes sense.

222 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:52:52pm

Merry fucking Christmas. Legalize pot everywhere.

Pa. police: Driver hid pot as Christmas presents

bigstory.ap.org

223 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:53:22pm
224 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:53:44pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

FAKE!!

//

225 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:53:57pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

GET OFF MY LAWN!

226 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:54:04pm

re: #211 Eventual Carrion

Then since they can talk about it, the teacher can discredit creationism to their hearts content. To show exactly why creationism isn’t a credible scientific hypothesis. Then get on with teaching evolution theory that has many corroborations of the principals it espouses.

Unfortunately I’m afraid that isn’t going to be the way it plays out. I dare say that any teacher that follows that route will be accused of being anti-christian. It’s going to be a one-way street I’m afraid.

RBS

227 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:56:23pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That’s really a terrific photo. Looks pretty bleak, though.

228 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:56:37pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Chinese are going to the Moon, and we’re sitting here discussing an entire political party of our own country trying to drag this nation back into the Dark Ages.

229 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:57:39pm

re: #227 Justanotherhuman

That’s really a terrific photo. Looks pretty bleak, though.

Varek likes it that way.

230 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:57:49pm

Wouldn’t you know it. I look at a couple of Duluth Trading videos on YouTube and instantly I start seeing ads for them at every site that uses Google Adsense.

And I thought I told them not to track me.

231 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:58:35pm

Google makes the NSA look like pikers.

232 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:58:45pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

You mean they didn’t listen to you? Shocking.

233 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 3:58:55pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Chinese are going to the Moon, and we’re sitting here discussing an entire political party of our own country trying to drag this nation back into the Dark Ages.

To be fair, NASA hasn’t exactly been gung-ho about going back to the moon. After Apollo, they seem to have been content to leave that to the Soviets while they set their sights further out in the Solar System.

234 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:01:06pm

re: #233 thedopefishlives

To be fair, NASA hasn’t exactly been gung-ho about going back to the moon. After Apollo, they seem to have been content to leave that to the Soviets while they set their sights further out in the Solar System.

NASA wanted to be on Mars before the end of the 20th. But public interest in space exploration pretty much cratered after Apollo 11, so Congress was quick to take the pruning sheers to their budget. Hell, the Space Shuttle program came largely because NASA convinced the Air Force to invest defense dollars into the program. Otherwise today we’d be talking about how America gave up manned exploration of the cosmos after the 70s.

235 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:03:27pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

It kinda bums me out because I love space and exploration. I was SO psyched about Curiosity and its unconventional approach to a Mars landing. I wish NASA had all the money so that they could do so many cool things with it.

236 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:07:54pm

Self-DERP…

237 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:09:37pm

re: #235 thedopefishlives

It kinda bums me out because I love space and exploration. I was SO psyched about Curiosity and its unconventional approach to a Mars landing. I wish NASA had all the money so that they could do so many cool things with it.

Hell, NASA had all sorts of plans in the works for post-Apollo missions, almost all reusing most of the same equipment. Manned Venus fly-bys, Mars missions, long-term manned missions to the Moon, even asteroid fly-bys and landings. Pretty much everything that they’re now putting forth for future manned missions are carry-overs from those proposals.

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:13:15pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Image: screenhunter_174-dec-14-10-16.jpg

The photo says “No mass school shootings in Israel since 1974” but in fact there was a mass school shooting in 2008.

239 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:16:04pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

There are a few practical issues with long-term manned missions outside of LEO. Earth’s magnetosphere is very, very good at controlling radiation inside its umbrella, but once we leave it, things get a lot dicier.

240 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:21:18pm

re: #239 thedopefishlives

There are a few practical issues with long-term manned missions outside of LEO. Earth’s magnetosphere is very, very good at controlling radiation inside its umbrella, but once we leave it, things get a lot dicier.

True enough. Radiation is a major issue, as is long-term survival in zero and low-G environments. Plus the issues with modern chemical rockets limits the amount of cargo that can be boosted into orbit, meaning short of adopting some form of orbital construction, we’re pretty limited to what we can send beyond Earth orbit by the size of the rockets we can build.

241 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:22:45pm

re: #240 Targetpractice

All that is not to say that it’s impossible, but these are practical problems that can’t be overcome on a skeleton budget. Durable electronic rovers are the best we can do for now, and I suppose I will have to content myself with the breathtaking photographs sent back by these machines.

242 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:24:17pm

re: #241 thedopefishlives

All that is not to say that it’s impossible, but these are practical problems that can’t be overcome on a skeleton budget. Durable electronic rovers are the best we can do for now, and I suppose I will have to content myself with the breathtaking photographs sent back by these machines.

Agreed, I don’t expect to see men beyond Earth orbit for a good while. Short of a new Space Race opening up in response to China’s goal of putting a man on the Moon by the end of the next decade, we’re gonna have to content ourselves with looking at the sky and wondering when we’ll be going back.

243 dog philosopher  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:35:19pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

China lunar probe

looks like somebody spilled something there

244 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:58:09am

re: #67 wrenchwench

Kona?

245 BroncD  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:29:12am

They want to teach religion in schools? OK. Monday they can teach Judaism. Tuesday Sikhism. Wednesday Hinduism. Thursday Christianity. And Friday… Islam.

There. Now you’re teaching religion in school. That’s just the first semester, though. Got plenty more where that came from.

Oh, wait. They just want to teach their religion in schools. All the other ones are “wrong.”


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