Excellent Mashup: Filmography 2013

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“Words are life,” says Max in 2013’s “The Book Thief”, and indeed they hold us together and to help us share that transcendent phenomenon that is life. This video takes 300 of this year’s films and distills it into a 7-minute exploration of the ideas we keep coming back to: the purpose of life, the nature of evil, the mystery of death, the power of love, and the inevitability of time.

Or, it’s just a pretty cool mashup of movies from 2013. Either way: I hope you enjoy.

Music:

1. Nine Leaves — Remember Execute Forget - tinyurl.com
2. Woodkid — Conquest of Spaces - tinyurl.com
3. Loyal Divide — Vision Vision - tinyurl.com
4. Loyal Divide — Vision Vision (R/D remix) - tinyurl.com
5. John Dreamer — Rise - tinyurl.com
6. St. Lucia — The Way You Remember Me - tinyurl.com

Note: My film selection process was fairly open; anything that was either produced or distributed in 2013 was fair game.

(h/t: Gus.)

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463 comments
1 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:11:51pm

My H/T:

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:12:43pm

Just saw “Star Trek: Nemesis” for the first time - it was surprisingly good. Moments of corn, as with all Trek films, but a pretty good story to go with the SFX.

3 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:19:44pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Just saw “Star Trek: Nemesis” for the first time - it was surprisingly good. Moments of corn, as with all Trek films, but a pretty good story to go with the SFX.

Heretic! Unclean!

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4 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:24:51pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Just saw “Star Trek: Nemesis” for the first time - it was surprisingly good. Moments of corn, as with all Trek films, but a pretty good story to go with the SFX.

IMO, it’s the weakest movie in the ST:TNG arc (Brannon Braga was gone from the franchise at that point, but this was Rick Berman’s last hurrah chance to screw shit up). It sucked that they “killed” Data off (and sort of replaced him with B-4 at the end of the movie), but since Brent Spiner helped write the story, I can’t even get really angry about that.

However, the central plot had its moments; Tom Hardy chewed up the scenery as Shinzon.

5 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:33:37pm

There was only ever one good TNG film and that was the one where they pretty much made a generic action film. Generations was blighted by half-measures, Insurrection was an overblown TV episode, and Nemesis was basically all the institutional rot and decay that was blighting the franchise put up on the silver screen.

6 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:39:14pm

Thank you TV..Make me feel worse if possible. I’m watching the Travel channels’ top ten Steak houses in America. Well I’ve been to one of them as a free meal from Sun Microsystems.
I ate the Fish. I’m an idiot.another sin of my youth.

7 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:40:17pm

re: #6 HoosierHoops

Thank you TV..Make me feel worse if possible. I’m watching the Travel channels’ top ten Steak houses in America. Well I’ve been to one of them as a free meal from Sun Microsystems.
I ate the Fish. I’m an idiot.another sin of my youth.

Hoops! Boxes all packed or are you still piecemealing them?

8 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:42:25pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

There was only ever one good TNG film and that was the one where they pretty much made a generic action film. Generations was blighted by half-measures, Insurrection was an overblown TV episode, and Nemesis was basically all the institutional rot and decay that was blighting the franchise put up on the silver screen.

Yeah, none of the Star Trek reboots have interested me since TNG series. Especially after seeing what BBC did with updating the Dr Who franchise while keeping the original charm and appeal. Sadly, I think American entertainment industry lacks the vision to do anything interesting with Star Trek.

9 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:43:30pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Yeah, none of the Star Trek reboots have interested me since TNG series. Especially after seeing what BBC did with updating the Dr Who franchise while keeping the original charm and appeal. Sadly, I think American entertainment industry lacks the vision to do anything interesting with Star Trek.

I’m just still pissed they cancelled Farscape.

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:44:02pm

OMG! Konspiracy alert!
Obama Suppressing 6,000-Page Report on CIA Torture Adopted by Senate Intelligence Committee

This most-transparent-ever administration is now marking the CIA report as classified, determined to “to keep secret the most thorough accounting we have of the agency’s lawless, immoral behavior.”

Is President Obama bowing to factions within the CIA? Shielding the powerful from rebuke during his own illegal drone program? Protecting past criminals as a down payment on future investigations?

11 thedopefishlives  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:44:07pm

re: #6 HoosierHoops

Thank you TV..Make me feel worse if possible. I’m watching the Travel channels’ top ten Steak houses in America. Well I’ve been to one of them as a free meal from Sun Microsystems.
I ate the Fish. I’m an idiot.another sin of my youth.

Heya Hoops. Don’t worry about the Fish, I’m alright. or was that not what you’re referring to… ;)

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:48:48pm

It seems CBS is floating the carrot about Snowden possibly getting amnesty.

NSA leaders split on giving amnesty to Snowden

The nuts will be coming out of the woodwork.

13 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:49:12pm

re: #9 Kragar

I’m just still pissed they cancelled Farscape.

Fucking a.

14 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:50:47pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Yeah, none of the Star Trek reboots have interested me since TNG series. Especially after seeing what BBC did with updating the Dr Who franchise while keeping the original charm and appeal. Sadly, I think American entertainment industry lacks the vision to do anything interesting with Star Trek.

There’s a lot of talk about adapting Abrams’ reboot of the franchise to a weekly series. Thing is, I’m not sure that all the cast would be willing to sign a multi-year television contract. Too much worry about being typecast, as well as inability to devote time to major motion pictures beyond bit parts.

15 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:50:51pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

Hoops! Boxes all packed or are you still piecemealing them?

I am so close..Just a few days left in Oklahoma. I went all out on the Kitchen.
Blame the Food Channel..If it isn’t there..You don’t I really need it. I put in a gas Dutch oven just for good measure. Gosh It’s going to be fun at the Lake.

16 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:50:57pm

re: #9 Kragar

I’m just still pissed they cancelled Farscape.

Not to mention Firefly.

RBS

17 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:52:35pm

re: #16 RealityBasedSteve

Not to mention Firefly.

RBS

Fox, hostile to a Joss Whedon series? Unpossible.

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18 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:54:03pm

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

19 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:55:39pm

re: #15 HoosierHoops

I am so close..Just a few days left in Oklahoma. I went all out on the Kitchen.
Blame the Food Channel..If it isn’t there..You don’t I really need it. I put in a gas Dutch oven just for good measure. Gosh It’s going to be fun at the Lake.

Well you are going to want to stay in a bit, so get some good food a-cookin!

20 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:56:23pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

Ah, so having been made to look like an idiot, she’s gone to the excuse of last resort: “It was a joke!”

21 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 4:58:03pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

Yep, it’s OUR fault.

That’s the standard right? What did Ta-Nehisi Coates call it??

22 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:01:11pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

There was only ever one good TNG film and that was the one where they pretty much made a generic action film. Generations was blighted by half-measures, Insurrection was an overblown TV episode, and Nemesis was basically all the institutional rot and decay that was blighting the franchise put up on the silver screen.

Generations could have been a really good bridge between the TOS and TNG timelines (and in parts, it was fairly good), but overall, Berman and Braga wasted not only the main cast on a jumbled script, but Shatner and McDowell as well (who were a couple of the brighter spots in the movie, along with Whoopi).

First Contact, the one that you apparently liked, was the best of the TNG movies IMO; I loved James Cromwell as Zefram Cochrane, Alfre Woodard was great (especially in the “Ahab” scene in the ready room with Stewart), and Patrick Stewart was just badass. However, I agree with you that it did suffer from Action Movie-itis some.

Insurrection, while another interesting premise, would up being another movie where Berman and Braga wasted not only the main cast, but F. Murray Abraham as well, on a less-than-optimal script; there were some good moments (especially with Alice Krige as the Borg Queen), but not enough.

23 bratwurst  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:01:32pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:02:12pm

Arnhem Choudary held a protest yesterday about alcohol sales

Shop owners told they face 40 lashes if they continue selling ‘evil’ alcohol
Bonus: Pictures of protest

Image: 108344.jpg

25 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:08:07pm

Oh holy shit

Megyn Kelly:

“This would be funny if it were not so telling about our society,” she continued. “In particular, the knee-jerk instinct by so many to race-bait and to assume the worst of people, especially people employed by the very powerful Fox News Channel.”

26 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:08:19pm

re: #22 AlexRogan

Generations could have been a really good bridge between the TOS and TNG timelines (and in parts, it was fairly good), but overall, Berman and Braga wasted not only the main cast on a jumbled script, but Shatner and McDowell as well (who were a couple of the brighter spots in the movie, along with Whoopi).

First Contact, as the one that you apparently liked, was the best of the TNG movies; I loved James Cromwell as Zefram Cochrane, Alfre Woodard was great (especially in the scene in the ready room with Stewart), And Patrick Stewart was just badass. However, I agree with you that it did suffer from Action Movie-itis some.

A big part of the problem with Generations was all the pressure they were under to convert the TNG series into a big screen series of films. It was decided that the Ent-D model wasn’t detailed enough, so they had to come up with an excuse to blow it up. The TV uniforms were deemed to be insufficient, so they ended up playing “mix and match” with the DS9 uniform. Nimoy and Kelley wouldn’t appear for only a few lines apiece, so they had to shoehorn Koening and Doohan into the spots. And the plot itself might have worked well as an episode of the series, but on the big screen just seemed contrived and ultimately contradicted itself.

27 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:09:16pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Oh holy shit

Megyn Kelly:

I’m pretty sure that’s a macro in the racist playbook, when the issue won’t go away and efforts to explain it away fall on deaf ears: “It was a joke and the fact that you didn’t see it as such shows you’re the real racist!!!”

28 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:10:13pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

That’s not even as good as a ‘non-pology’. How stupid do you have to be to begin to believe it. Oh, considering who it was really targeted for, I guess that is a ‘self-answering question’.

RBS

29 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:13:27pm

To conservatives, Rush Limbaugh is a satirist but George Orwell isn’t.

30 GeneJockey  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:16:27pm

Having watched Season 3 of TOS back when it came out, I find it hard to fathom anyone thinking any ST movie should be more than light entertainment.

(Let me just zip up my Nomex jammies….)

31 GeneJockey  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:17:32pm

re: #29 Kragar

To conservatives, Rush Limbaugh is a satirist but George Orwell isn’t.

Rush is only a satirist when he gets called on something. Otherwise, he’s a journalist.
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32 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:17:58pm
Medicaid expansion is “the principal reason your kids’ college tuition is going up,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky charged at a press conference here.

also paged

33 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:20:17pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

Great, now all those little kids are going to have their hearts broken and their confidence in adults shattered. They felt so safe knowing that Megyn was right and Santa was white.

/gah

34 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:20:41pm

re: #22 AlexRogan

Generations could have been a really good bridge between the TOS and TNG timelines (and in parts, it was fairly good), but overall, Berman and Braga wasted not only the main cast on a jumbled script, but Shatner and McDowell as well (who were a couple of the brighter spots in the movie, along with Whoopi).

First Contact, the one that you apparently liked, was the best of the TNG movies IMO; I loved James Cromwell as Zefram Cochrane, Alfre Woodard was great (especially in the “Ahab” scene in the ready room with Stewart), and Patrick Stewart was just badass. However, I agree with you that it did suffer from Action Movie-itis some.

Insurrection, while another interesting premise, would up being another movie where Berman and Brag wasted not only the main cast, but F. Murray Abraham as well, on a less-than-optimal script; there were some good moments, but not enough.

The Whale Movie was the best!

35 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:30:17pm
36 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:30:46pm
37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:32:01pm
38 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:39:09pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

The Whale Movie was the best!

Yes indeed, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home was a pretty good movie by itself; as a cap to the story arc that began with The Wrath of Khan and that had continued through The Search for Spock, it was fantastic.

39 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:40:11pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

Didn’t she say she was offended? Isn’t this the same channel that hypes the War on Christmas every year?

It wasn’t a joke. It was a clumsy attempt to articulate the revanchist angst that old conservative white racists feel about our changing society and the continued erosion of their positions of privilege within it. In her world Santa and Jesus are white, which would be fine if she didn’t then feel the need to assert her world as the world.

If she was joking then she shouldn’t have said she was offended, because it didn’t sound like she was joking and it sure did seem like she was offended.

40 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:42:12pm
41 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:43:55pm

re: #40 Kragar

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If God’s punishment for removal from schools is to visit shootings on the students and faculty, then he’s no god I wish to be associated with.

42 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:44:09pm

I just had a visitor. A young policeman that just moved into the Neighbor.
I offered through a friend to give him some stuff free before I move.
So I gave him a glass Kitchen table, Bedroom TV and a glass coffee table and an awesome fucking painting. I don’t have the room…
He has no fucking idea..And I’ll never tell him. We had a nice talk. I’m glad he and his wife scored some stuff I don’t want.. Who the hell cares?
In the early years here I lost my best friend who was a policeman from a heart issue. Maybe the only time in LGF history Charles allowed me to post all the details of this tragic event. I posted about his life, our life and the family and charities to give too. Charles showed such kindness and folks I was really shaken up. I told stories for months and nobody said shut up.
Those days were long ago…and I only brought this up cause I had a cop in my house for an hour..Talking, laughing and giving away shit.
I could never bring up Alan to a stranger in my house..But son of a bitch the memories just flooded in.

43 blueraven  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:45:51pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Anyone buying this?

Megyn Kelly: It was a joke!

Anybody?

Nope. She should have stopped while she was behind.
She just made it worse with her insult to any sane person’s intelligence.

44 dog philosopher  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:47:04pm

re: #40 Kragar

wasting time with prayer

remember, you’re dealing with people who believe that harry potter is dangerous because black magic and daemons are real, and witches fly around on broomsticks although the lamestream media covers it all up

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:47:16pm

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

ZOMG HE’S WEARING A ATZLAN TSHIRT!!!!!! HE’S AN ANTI-WHITE RACIST!!!!11111!!111

46 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:47:28pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

If God’s punishment for removal from schools is to visit shootings on the students and faculty, then he’s no god I wish to be associated with.

Fischer’s God is every bit as petty, vengeful and resentful as Fischer.

47 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:49:00pm

re: #46 makeitstop

Fischer’s God is every bit as petty, vengeful and resentful as Fischer.

Yeah, I notice those to be traits of God whenever a televangelist is involved.

48 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:49:15pm
Those women in Marshall, Texas, were among its advance guard. Not bad people, they were regulars at church, their children were my classmates, many of them were active in community affairs and their husbands were pillars of the business and professional class in town. They were respectable and upstanding citizens all, so it took me a while to figure out what had brought on that spasm of reactionary defiance. It came to me one day, much later: they simply couldn’t see beyond their own prerogatives.

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49 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:49:29pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

A big part of the problem with Generations was all the pressure they were under to convert the TNG series into a big screen series of films. It was decided that the Ent-D model wasn’t detailed enough, so they had to come up with an excuse to blow it up. The TV uniforms were deemed to be insufficient, so they ended up playing “mix and match” with the DS9 uniform. Nimoy and Kelley wouldn’t appear for only a few lines apiece, so they had to shoehorn Koening and Doohan into the spots. And the plot itself might have worked well as an episode of the series, but on the big screen just seemed contrived and ultimately contradicted itself.

Refresh the thread for my thoughts on Insurrection ;-P

The whole deal with Rick Berman and Brannan Braga is a love/hate kind of thing; after Gene Roddenberry died in 1991, they did yeoman’s work to keep Star Trek going. On the other hand, they got a bit too ambitious with the franchise; in the ten or so years after Roddenberry died, they produced three more seasons of TNG, created three new weekly series [Deep Space Nine (my hands-down favorite after TNG, especially after the first couple of seasons], Voyager, and Enterprise) and produced the four TNG movies (Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis).

in the midst of all of that, with some of the great cast members and guests they had through all of that, Berman and Braga gave Trek fans some good (and great) moments (the Dominion War story arc in DS9 is an example of this), but they also gave us a lot of shovelware. That contributed a lot to the “Trek fatigue” people were feeling by the time that Enterprise came on deck in 2001; I seriously think that if Brannon and Braga had let Manny Coto be the sole showrunner for Enterprise from day one, instead of letting him take over for them after the show had already been cancelled after season two, then brought back for one more season after a campaign by the really hardcore Trekkies, we may not have seen the JJ Abrams Trek reboot when we did, if we did.

50 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:50:07pm

I saw that movie.

51 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:50:57pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Yeah, I notice those to be traits of God whenever a televangelist is involved.

Ya know, god takes Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Pay Pal and Cash is especially blessed.

/gah

52 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:54:29pm
53 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:58:34pm
54 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 5:59:11pm
55 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:00:35pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Doctor Who really isn’t sci-fi in the traditional understanding of it though.

It more like Meta-Physical Fiction. The only entry on that list too.

56 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:00:45pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

Cool. Now you really will only need to visit one place to know the conservative talking point of the day.

57 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:01:49pm
58 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:02:17pm

re: #49 AlexRogan

My impression of B&B has always been that Berman took over with the aim towards putting his mark on the franchise, while Braga was not exactly a hack writer, but he never seemed to move far out of his comfortable niche. DS9 largely succeeded because they just gave it over to the writing staff headed by guys like Ron D. Moore and moved on. Voyager was…it had it’s moments, but overall it was pretty clearly a pet project. And Enterprise was a disaster before the premiere had even aired, only to become more so in retrospect when info comes out like how the Enterprise design for the series had been a shameless copy of a fan favorite ship design instead of the proposals that hewed closer to franchise lore.

Not to say that Abrams’ reboot of the franchise is without sin, but it’s a lot like the new Doctor Who series in that it takes what has worked about the series in a new and interesting direction. B&B just kept going over the same ground and hoping that lighting would strike three times.

59 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:03:23pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

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Hate Enterpri$e$.

The move marks an accelerating shift in the conservative media world, as a set of boisterous, sharp-elbowed independent digital outlets are brought under the same roof.

So is ‘sharp-elbowed’ the code phrase for ‘racist as fuck’?

60 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:03:34pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Yeah, none of the Star Trek reboots have interested me since TNG series. Especially after seeing what BBC did with updating the Dr Who franchise while keeping the original charm and appeal. Sadly, I think American entertainment industry lacks the vision to do anything interesting with Star Trek.

Which is funny because it was ST:TNG that killed the original Doctor Who. While Doctor Who was still basically doing state productions, Star Trek was doing really good special effects on a TV show budget.

61 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:03:58pm

re: #55 The War TARDIS

Doctor Who really isn’t sci-fi in the traditional understanding of it though.

It more like Meta-Physical Fiction. The only entry on that list too.

I think it would qualify as soft sci fi. Ray Bradbury would be in the same category.

62 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:04:14pm

I am so far behind on video media/entertainment.

I have just about gotten over the first Star Trek -parallel worlds version. I think I may be able to handle another exposure to an emotional Spock.

Kid loaned his GOT DVD to a friend (which I didn’t know he owned). No matter how much I pester him, he still hasn’t gotten it back.

I think I missed Gravity (3D) in the theatres …

63 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:05:34pm

re: #60 Belafon

Which is funny because it was ST:TNG that killed the original Doctor Who. While Doctor Who was still basically doing state productions, Star Trek was doing really good special effects on a TV show budget.

Ah, I didn’t know that.

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:06:49pm

Later, lizards.

65 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:07:30pm

re: #60 Belafon

It’s a little more complicated than that.

A combination of an asshole, the agenda of an idiot, incompetent writing by Turner, and a quick dash of Anti-Americanism from Davison.

Ironically, Doctor Who bigger than ever, namely because it does reach out to Americans and others, and under Moffat, is relatively well-written.

Matt Smith, Arthur Darvill, Karen Gillan, Jenna Coleman, and Moffat have done a good job fostering a fandom within the United States.

66 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:07:43pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Again, a bit more complicated.

67 makeitstop  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:11:59pm

Excellent drum video, using natural acoustics.

Youtube Video

68 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:12:18pm

You ever wonder how people are quick to identify unidentified flying objects?

69 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:12:19pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Arnhem Choudary held a protest yesterday about alcohol sales

Shop owners told they face 40 lashes if they continue selling ‘evil’ alcohol
Bonus: Pictures of protest

Image: 108344.jpg

White Chapel—isn’t that where Jack the Ripper did his evil?

Image: newmap.gif

70 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:12:23pm

re: #66 The War TARDIS

update your profile Mr. Tardis.

71 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:13:53pm

re: #60 Belafon

Which is funny because it was ST:TNG that killed the original Doctor Who. While Doctor Who was still basically doing state productions, Star Trek was doing really good special effects on a TV show budget.

Roddenberry (and, later, Berman and Braga) also amassed a lot of institutional knowledge and had the technical resources of Paramount (as well as the Hollywood effects and prop houses) behind them.

72 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:19:55pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

Have done it.

73 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:20:07pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

update your profile Mr. Tardis.

I like that he came back to Norman after a year back home.
He has his friends and future in this college town. I see a growth and future with him. His heart loves God and he seeks the truth. And because he is young he can say the most whack things known to man. It cracks me up..
Thank God there were no blogs when we were 21 and fresh out of college.
Cause i would be banned for life for me in those daze. :)

74 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:21:59pm
75 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:22:14pm

re: #73 HoosierHoops

I like that he came back to Norman after a year back home.
He has his friends and future in this college town. I see a growth and future with him. His heart loves God and he seeks the truth. And because he is youth he can say the most whack things known to man. It cracks me up..
Thank God there were no blogs when we were 21 and fresh out of college.
Cause it would be banned for life for me in those daze. :)

If you remember the ’70s you weren’t trying hard enough.

76 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:23:45pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

There’s a lot of talk about adapting Abrams’ reboot of the franchise to a weekly series. Thing is, I’m not sure that all the cast would be willing to sign a multi-year television contract. Too much worry about being typecast, as well as inability to devote time to major motion pictures beyond bit parts.

I don’t think any of them would sign on to it. Karl Urban is tied up with Almost Human which seems to be doing well, and John Cho is on Sleepy Hollow. And I don’t see any of the other main actors tying themselves down to a Trek series at all.

77 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:23:54pm
78 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:28:04pm

re: #76 Lidane

I don’t think any of them would sign on to it. Karl Urban is tied up with Almost Human which seems to be doing well, and John Cho is on Sleepy Hollow. And I don’t see any of the other main actors tying themselves down to a Trek series at all.

Neither do I. Paramount had it’s plate full running a film franchise and two TV series at the same time when none of the three was directly connected beyond occurring in the same universe. They even had to contrive ways to make sure Worf was always on the Enterprise in time for the movie, but back at DS9 in time for the next episode. Trying to run a film franchise and a TV series where both have the same cast playing the same characters would be an utter nightmare.

79 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:30:17pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

My impression of B&B has always been that Berman took over with the aim towards putting his mark on the franchise, while Braga was not exactly a hack writer, but he never seemed to move far out of his comfortable niche. DS9 largely succeeded because they just gave it over to the writing staff headed by guys like Ron D. Moore and moved on. Voyager was…it had it’s moments, but overall it was pretty clearly a pet project. And Enterprise was a disaster before the premiere had even aired, only to become more so in retrospect when info comes out like how the Enterprise design for the series had been a shameless copy of a fan favorite ship design instead of the proposals that hewed closer to franchise lore.

Not to say that Abrams’ reboot of the franchise is without sin, but it’s a lot like the new Doctor Who series in that it takes what has worked about the series in a new and interesting direction. B&B just kept going over the same ground and hoping that lighting would strike three times.

I can’t say that I disagree with you about Berman and Braga; they deserve a lot of credit for keeping Star Trek alive after Roddenberry died, but they almost killed the entire franchise off themselves before it was all over.

As for Enterprise, if B&B had let someone else like Coto run the show from the get-go, it’s very possible that it could have succeeded like TNG or DS9 and gone out after a long run. But, for the first season or two, they let the writing get downright sloppy (Temporal Cold War? Now, that was a kludge…); however, to B&B’s credit, the cast was very decent (I was a fan of Scott Bakula as Jonathan Archer, because I think that it fit him, much like Shatner, Stewart, and Brooks’ respective captain’s roles suited them IMO).

In any case, you can have the best cast, but if the scripts they have to film are lazy, uninspired, or just plain shitty and the direction from on high is just as bad, everything else isn’t worth a hill of beans.

80 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:31:26pm

If you’ve linked your LGF account to your Twitter account (in Account Settings) you can now tweet images directly from the LGF Image Library.

81 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:31:42pm

re: #65 The War TARDIS

It’s never entirely an explanation if you can fit it into a paragraph, but the quality of the shows at the same time really was vastly different. Star Trek could actually do true Sci-Fi speculation because it could afford to do the special effects.

re: #71 AlexRogan

Your right, but they still had to be affordable. If each episode had cost a mini-movie, they wouldn’t have lasted very long.

82 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:33:48pm

My grandson thinks I’m nuts, but I bought my g-grandson a keyboard for xmas. It also records. Just a toy, really, but if he shows any proclivity for it, I’m looking for the real thing next year.

He loved the real spinet piano we saw at the thrift store one day. Instead of banging, he ran his hands up and down the keys and wanted it. At $40, I should have snapped it up, but had no way of getting it home. It seemed in tune to my ear—someone got a really good deal because it was gone a few days later.

83 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:34:13pm

re: #75 b_sharp

If you remember the ’70s you weren’t trying hard enough.

LOL.. Love you dude..I’m going all out cause for the next month I’ll be scarce here
In college I got busted for sex on the beach at 3am at goat’s rock. ( Talk about instant shrinkage )
Banned for life at the Casablanca at Santa Cruz for filling the room with bubble bath with naked girls running around.
And no.. That wasn’t the first time I talked to the cops naked.
We kept a damn goat at the dorm feeding him biskets for a year. Do you how popular Goats are in college? There wasn’t a girl that didn’t visit our parties.. Gomez the Goat was a super star..
Wait..Should I judge the young generation?

84 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:35:53pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

LOL.. Love you dude..I’m going all out cause for the next month I’ll be scarce here
In college I got busted for sex on the beach at 3am at goat’s rock. ( Talk about instant shrinkage )
Banned for life at the Casablanca at Santa Cruz for filling the room with bubble bath with naked girls running around.
And no.. That wasn’t the first time I talked to the cops naked.
We kept a damn goat at the dorm feeding him biskets for a year. Do you how popular Goats are in college? There wasn’t a girl that didn’t visit our parties.. Gomez the Goat was a super star..
Wait..Should I judge the young generation?

Let the first goat without sin cast the first stone.

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:35:57pm

And it looks like this:

86 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:36:43pm

re: #83 HoosierHoops

This might be the only time I would accept “Your not trying hard enough.” I’ll have to tell my son - freshman in college, part of a fraternity - about the goat.

87 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:37:46pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

And it looks like this:

[Embedded content]

Just copy and paste?

88 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:39:20pm

re: #87 Gus

Just copy and paste?

Click the Image Library button, and there’s a new “Tweet” button for each image.

89 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:40:43pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Click the Image Library button, and there’s a new “Tweet” button for each image.

Mongo not see Tweet button.

90 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:41:06pm

If you want to include some text with the tweeted image, enter it in the “Caption” field.

91 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:41:48pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Neither do I. Paramount had it’s plate full running a film franchise and two TV series at the same time when none of the three was directly connected beyond occurring in the same universe. They even had to contrive ways to make sure Worf was always on the Enterprise in time for the movie, but back at DS9 in time for the next episode. Trying to run a film franchise and a TV series where both have the same cast playing the same characters would be an utter nightmare.

It’s why Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD was structured to focus on the “regular guys” that make up SHIELD and only really references the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe in tangents, such as Extremis being a plot point, or the mystery around Coulson’s “death”, or sending the team to clean up after Thor’s battle in England.

None of the Avengers actors would’ve ever signed on to a TV series, and even if they had, they would’ve been crazy expensive to keep on a leash. The level of CGI and effects their characters would’ve required is prohibitive.

92 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:42:24pm

The highway’s jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive, and I’m outta here. Catch ya all later.

RBS

93 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:42:30pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

If you want to include some text with the tweeted image, enter it in the “Caption” field.

Oh, I see the Tweet button in the Image Library here. But when I click the Image Library from above I don’t see it.

94 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:42:39pm

My little 19 month old grandkid is tiring his old granddad out.

95 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:42:40pm

re: #79 AlexRogan

Enterprise’s biggest sin was that B&B didn’t want to move out of that comfortable niche I mentioned. Whether it’s because they didn’t have the chops to write a truly new type of Trek series or because they thought fans were too dim to accept a series where everything we’d grown comfortable with was removed, they basically wrote the series as another Voyager. And if they’d written a post-Voyager series in that fashion it might have been acceptable, if bland and repetitive. But they tried to write a prequel series like post-TOS Trek and totally botched it.

Manny Coto’s biggest asset that he brought to the producer’s chair was that he was a fan of the franchise. That’s part of what really screwed Nemesis up, that the men who’d been brought in to work on it had no real connection to Trek whatsoever, weren’t even casual fans of the series. Coto came in not only with a fan’s perspective, but also an understanding that you can’t just write a prequel series as if the things that come after aren’t important. You gotta establish the major events in the franchise history, show how things evolved, and actually touch on those things that were hinted at but never fleshed out. You’re right, had Coto been producer from the start, Enterprise might have been the start of a new era. Instead, he got brought in to clean up another guy’s mess long after it had been decided that the whole building was to be condemned and turned into a parking lot.

96 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:43:27pm

Venezuela grounds Air France flight after receiving intelligence about bomb threat

thestarphoenix.com

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan explosive experts are inspecting a grounded Air France flight after being tipped off by French authorities that a terrorist group may be planning to detonate an explosive device in midair.

“Venezuelan Interior Minister Miguel Rodriguez Torres told state TV that bomb experts are performing an exhaustive search of the aircraft that will take several hours.

“Rodriguez said that flight #385 to Paris was scheduled to depart at 7:25 p.m. local time Saturday but was cancelled after French authorities received information from a credible source that a terrorist group is seeking to place a bomb aboard a future flight between the two cities.

“He said information is still being processed and it is unclear whether the targeted flight would depart from Caracas or Paris.”

97 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:43:45pm

re: #93 Gus

Oh, I see the Tweet button in the Image Library here. But when I click the Image Library from above I don’t see it.

Right - it’s not in the full-page version of the Image Library yet. Just the popup version.

98 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:44:57pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Right - it’s not in the full-page version of the Image Library yet. Just the popup version.

Copy.

99 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:46:24pm

re: #86 Belafon

This might be the only time I would accept “Your not trying hard enough.” I’ll have to tell my son - freshman in college, part of a fraternity - about the goat.

Don’t feel bad..I put all the kids through college and surprising..It was so tame…Kids today have no idea of the wreck we put in America.
A few years ago I visited Nikki at UC Davis for a week. One night we went to a Party with 2 college bands..Nikki was playing Zepplin at 10 in the car.
She turned it down and asked if it was too loud for me..
I love that girl of mine…Led Zep too loud for the old man?

100 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:46:49pm

Anyone see the CSI episode where a director brought to a con a ‘reimagining’ of a Star Trek type series?

He was murdered shortly thereafter. Fanboys and grrls really don’t like their fantasies fucked with. ;)

101 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:49:53pm

102 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:59:26pm

re: #101 Gus

[Embedded image]

“It’s destroying the city!”
“Yeah, but it’s so cute.”

103 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:59:28pm

104 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 6:59:53pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

“It’s destroying the city!”
“Yeah, but it’s so cute.”

Apparently it’s also playing poker.

105 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:00:51pm
106 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:02:23pm

107 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:03:35pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That cannot be unseen.

108 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:04:19pm

re: #106 Gus

[Embedded image]

As a scout, I knew semaphore.

109 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:04:27pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

MY EYES!!!

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:06:07pm

ANOTHER UMBRELLA OUTRAGE!!!!1!!!!!

111 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:07:29pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

If you’ve linked your LGF account to your Twitter account (in Account Settings) you can now tweet images directly from the LGF Image Library.

YOU ARE SO FREAKIN’ KEWL!!!!

You have no idea how much easier this makes my life.

I promise to work LGF into the budget in 2014-1st Q

112 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:07:55pm

This is lovely.

Maine wreaths laid at Arlington National Cemetery

bigstory.ap.org

113 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:07:55pm

re: #73 HoosierHoops

I like that he came back to Norman after a year back home.
He has his friends and future in this college town. I see a growth and future with him. His heart loves God and he seeks the truth. And because he is young he can say the most whack things known to man. It cracks me up..
Thank God there were no blogs when we were 21 and fresh out of college.
Cause i would be banned for life for me in those daze. :)

Ditto. We actually have the internet to thank for us behaving.

114 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:08:18pm

re: #110 Lord of the Pies

ANOTHER UMBRELLA OUTRAGE!!!!1!!!!!

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OMG Strong woman holding her own umbrella —If Michelle gave a shit, I can assure you her husband would be holding it for her.

115 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:09:11pm

re: #110 Lord of the Pies

ANOTHER UMBRELLA OUTRAGE!!!!1!!!!!

[Embedded content]

116 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:09:42pm

re: #94 b_sharp

My little 19 month old grandkid is tiring his old granddad out.

Poor Grandpa.

117 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:09:47pm

re: #110 Lord of the Pies

ANOTHER UMBRELLA OUTRAGE!!!!1!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Image: article-0-19FEFF8700000578-16_634x522.jpg

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:10:08pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

OMG Strong woman holding her own umbrella —If Michelle gave a shit, I can assure you her husband would be holding it for her.

Read the timeline—there is some toxic ODS out there.

119 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:11:32pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

Hate Enterpri$e$.

So is ‘sharp-elbowed’ the code phrase for ‘racist as fuck’?

I’ll give that some time to sink-in.

:0

120 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:11:43pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

I’m pretty sure if someone asked, Michelle would say “I can hold my own umbrella.”

So, one of those two couples is from the 21st century, and the other is from the 1950s.

121 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:11:53pm

re: #118 Lord of the Pies

Read the timeline—there is some toxic ODS out there.

I don’t wanna.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:13:35pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

I don’t wanna.

Well, OK, I won’t embed them here.

123 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:15:47pm

re: #118 Lord of the Pies

It might be hard to get the right people to make the connection, but if you want to see why blacks can be racist against blacks, look at those comments and see why women can be sexist against other women.

ETA: No, not all the commenters are women, but those that are play along with the rest of them.

124 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:16:34pm

re: #116 FemNaziBitch

Poor Grandpa.

The little guy runs everywhere. Especially when he wants to do something bad before grandpa reaches him.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:18:19pm

HURR HURR

126 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:19:16pm
127 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:20:01pm

WTFITS I can’t even…
Wingnuts will STOP AT NOTHING until everybody is starving in the street except for the Kochs and the Waltons.

128 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:21:49pm

re: #127 Lord of the Pies

Star Parker is exhibit A for the case that Je$u$ is a well crafted tool used by the powerful to lure the ignorant into doing their will.

129 Uncle Obdicut  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:22:30pm

So the sign-language dude turned out to be a schitzophrenic with violent tendencies. And the secret service let him stand right there with Obama.

That’s a big fuckup, isn’t it?

130 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:23:18pm
131 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:24:32pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I approve.

132 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:26:48pm

re: #129 Uncle Obdicut

I doubt the Secret Service had much control over that location.

133 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:27:58pm
134 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:28:03pm

136 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:28:31pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

I did.

137 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:30:05pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

Eric son of Erick’s wet dream come true.

Salem Communications is owned by a couple of very far throw-backs. Almost no one knows their name. That’s part of their secret.

Every time I seem some young prog go apeshit over the Koch bros I figure that’s because that name is the only one they know. There’s a huge set of players in the atavism business, not just the Kochs, and it’s time people start getting to know them by name.

I really believe David Koch likes his name being bandied about so much, which is why he has such a public face.

It’s time to start outing the ones in the closet.

138 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:31:10pm

Images going every which way.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:31:22pm

Good evening Lizards!

Out and about today to play board games before the snow fell in Philly. Waited out the initial fall (1-2”) and then cleaned off the car and headed home around 7:30 pm after things switched over to rain. Slushy on the way home and the roads were so-so in places.

Youtube Video
(And a sort of appropriate sound track for the picture.)

140 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:34:14pm
Townhall editor Jonathan Garthwaite recently spoke with BuzzFeed about Salem’s business model of growth “through acquisition,” and acknowledged the stiff competition among other D.C. outlets for page views and ad dollars. Garthwaite named The Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, Breitbart.com and Washington Free Beacon as “ideologically similar and friendly competition.”

It really is nothing other than the hate-business.

The right wing outrage is, put simply, pornography of a different kind.

real discourse : RW outrage :: real sex : porn

141 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:35:44pm

142 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:35:50pm

143 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:37:53pm

re: #129 Uncle Obdicut

So the sign-language dude turned out to be a schitzophrenic with violent tendencies. And the secret service let him stand right there with Obama.

That’s a big fuckup, isn’t it?

Maybe it’s just me, but that seemed to be a huge screwup by the South African government exclusively, who I assume should have been vetting any “locals” who could get close to the dignitaries, and not necessarily with the US Secret Service.

The USSS’ intel would have only been as good as what they would have gotten from the South Africans. If anyone’s gonna crucify the USSS over this, shouldn’t the executive protection services of the other nations’ dignitaries in attendance (as well as the South Africans) be just as culpable for this massive security fail?

144 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:39:00pm

I did not know James Taylor made an xmas Albumn in which he address the color of Jesus’s skin:
Youtube Video

145 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:40:18pm

re: #124 b_sharp

The little guy runs everywhere. Especially when he wants to do something bad before grandpa reaches him.

He is not trying to be bad —his brain is compelling him to move and learn. You simply have to provide an apropriate environment in which he can do that.

Silly Grandpa!

146 b_sharp  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:44:00pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

He is not trying to be bad —his brain is compelling him to move and learn. You simply have to provide an apropriate environment in which he can do that.

Silly Grandpa!

He goes over to the TV, looks at me then turns it off when he sees me looking.

147 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:44:03pm
148 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:44:37pm

149 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:45:10pm

re: #122 Lord of the Pies

Well, OK, I won’t embed them here.

Oh, please embed what you wish —I’m just exercizing my free will and Bob given right not to see, listen or smell.

150 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:45:37pm

re: #146 b_sharp

He goes over to the TV, looks at me then turns it off when he sees me looking.

I think he wants you to play with him and not watch the TV.

151 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:46:23pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

It seems CBS is floating the carrot about Snowden possibly getting amnesty.

NSA leaders split on giving amnesty to Snowden

The nuts will be coming out of the woodwork.

File that under “Never Gonna Happen”. Both houses of Congress would be up in arms at the very idea and the political cost to the president would be higher than the gain.

152 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:49:23pm

For some reason, I was searching for this book to link it. Now, I can’t remember of find the post to which I was planning to reply.

153 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:50:48pm

I like this one. gettyimages.com

154 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:52:54pm

Today, I got reminded why TSwift is awesome

155 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:55:41pm
156 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:56:15pm

re: #153 Gus

I like this one. gettyimages.com

Leaving the Old Man out in the Cold and Rain!

He, gotta take care of Mom.

Barbara Rocks.

157 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:56:38pm

Also, why the hell would anyone want to attack Wichita. That perplexes me.

158 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:57:46pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

File that under “Never Gonna Happen”. Both houses of Congress would be up in arms at the very idea and the political cost to the president would be higher than the gain.

I don’t know what CBS is up to lately. The 60 Minutes Amazon-drone story was total bullshit to hype the company before cyber Monday sales. The Snowden-amnesty thing seems like total bullshit to get the moonbats excited. It’s becoming a tabloid show of fake stories to generate buzz.

159 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 7:59:19pm

re: #157 The War TARDIS

Also, why the hell would anyone want to attack Wichita. That perplexes me.

Well, If you could do it from a remote location.

I just wouldn’t want to go there.

:0

160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:01:22pm

re: #157 The War TARDIS

Also, why the hell would anyone want to attack Wichita. That perplexes me.

Because the guy lives there and he’s an asshole who wants to attack his own country.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:02:15pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I don’t know what CBS is up to lately. The 60 Minutes Amazon-drone story was total bullshit to hype the company before cyber Monday sales. The Snowden-amnesty thing seems like total bullshit to get the moonbats excited. It’s becoming a tabloid show of fake stories to generate buzz.

They may be thinking “Hey, it’s worked for Fox News!”

/I wish I was kidding.

162 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:03:33pm

So, trying to come-up with relatively inexpensive but kewl gift for a junior high student. I don’t know this kid well, but she’s finally been permanently re-homed with my friend (her aunt and uncle) after years of shuffling.

so, she’s been thru some stuff and is working thru her issues.

I got a really tiny Japanese puzzle box and put a cloisonne bead I have. The bead is the planet earth. (this box is so small I don’t think I could have folded a $20 and put it in there).

She likes little things (girly/girl)

Waddya think?

(I’m really into the Japanese puzzle box —used 4 of them this year for kids gifts)

163 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:03:41pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I know, but at the same time, Wichita seems to be an odd choice. You don’t think of Wichita being especially important.

Though, many US cities are in a bad state because of White Flight.

164 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:04:56pm

re: Star Trek Movies

What got me about Generations is the glaring plot holes, in particular:

1. Soran needing some big plan to drive the Nexus into a planet so he could get inside it vs. just flying a ship into it. When Picard mentions this, Data says the ribbon has either destroyed or severely damaged every ship that has been in contact with it. However, this completely ignores that the destruction of a ship was EXACTLY HOW SORAN GOT IN THE NEXUS IN THE FIRST PLACE, right at the start of the movie,

2. Guinan tells Picard he can go to any time he chooses when he leaves the Nexus so Picard decides to go back to mere minutes before Soran’s missile launch to try and stop him. Seems it would make more sense to go back to an earlier time, say, when he first met Soran in Ten Forward, and arrest him then.

I do however, agree with the sentiments of First Contact being the best TNG movie, DS9 being an outstanding series and Manny Coto being the best creative guy Enterprise ever had.

165 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:05:01pm

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:05:32pm

A few more photos.

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:05:37pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I wish you were too, but that’s basically what CNN did.

168 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:06:04pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

And what is the cat going to do to you.

Attack your shoes?

169 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:06:48pm

re: #168 The War TARDIS

Never, EVER underestimate a cat.

170 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:06:59pm

I have to agree with this tweet/headline. We are living in a brave new world and the old economic/social models aren’t working. The GOP really doesn’t seem to want to let go —as usual, recognizing change at least a decade after it has irrevocably become the norm.

171 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:07:17pm

Watching the “Sound of Music - LIVE!”…again…with my wife as she fell asleep the last time we watched it. (Yes, I love her THAT much.)

Question: Where the hell did Carrie Underwood come from? Was she one of those American Idol runner-ups?

172 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:07:40pm

re: #168 The War TARDIS

And what is the cat going to do to you.

Attack your shoes?

I *shiver* to think what the Feline Overlord could do if he/she chose to.

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:08:07pm

Oh the joys of starting a new job. Since it takes awhile for direct deposit to be set up, our first paychecks were mailed out to us.

Payday was Friday.

I STILL don’t have my check yet. That means I’ll need to wait until Monday to (hopefully) finally get my money.

I don’t understand why they couldn’t have sent the checks directly to our office instead of mailing them out to each individual employee.

174 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:08:40pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh the joys of starting a new job. Since it takes awhile for direct deposit to be set up, our first paychecks were mailed out to us.

Payday was Friday.

I STILL don’t have my check yet. That means I’ll need to wait until Monday to (hopefully) finally get my money.

I don’t understand why they couldn’t have sent the checks directly to our office instead of mailing them out to each individual employee.

DIRECT DEPOSIT!

175 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:09:13pm

re: #171 darthstar

Watching the “Sound of Music - LIVE!”…again…with my wife as she fell asleep the last time we watched it. (Yes, I love her THAT much.)

Question: Where the hell did Carrie Underwood come from? Was she one of those American Idol runner-ups?

Saved by Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer! Yay! She loves me…she really loves me!

176 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:09:33pm

re: #171 darthstar

Question: Where the hell did Carrie Underwood come from? Was she one of those American Idol runner-ups?

I thought she won her season? Anyway, I believe she’s the most successful act to ever come out of Idol, right alongside Kelly Clarkson.

177 AlexRogan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:09:40pm

re: #171 darthstar

Watching the “Sound of Music - LIVE!”…again…with my wife as she fell asleep the last time we watched it. (Yes, I love her THAT much.)

Question: Where the hell did Carrie Underwood come from? Was she one of those American Idol runner-ups?

Not a runner-up. Underwood won Idol in 2005.

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:10:15pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

Read the first line of my post. I’m enrolled already but they couldn’t enroll us fast enough to get the first check in.

179 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:10:24pm

re: #171 darthstar

Watching the “Sound of Music - LIVE!”…again…with my wife as she fell asleep the last time we watched it. (Yes, I love her THAT much.)

Question: Where the hell did Carrie Underwood come from? Was she one of those American Idol runner-ups?

No, she was the winner of her season of American Idol.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:11:35pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought she won her season? Anyway, I believe she’s the most successful act to ever come out of Idol, right alongside Kelly Clarkson.

In my opinion that’s damning with faint praise. Then again I think American Idol is another major reason that US network television has continued managing to reach new lows.

181 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:12:12pm
For an explanation, consider a third big development: the Republicans’ embrace of policies and slogans that might have been laboratory-crafted to upset and unite different types of unmarried women. A case in point is Mr Cuccinelli, whose candidacy dismayed establishment Republicans as much as it excited conservative activists. He is a shrink-the-government zealot: targets for his ire extend to municipal swimming pools (for crowding out the private sector). He is also a social conservative who opposes abortion, gay rights and no-fault divorce (as a state legislator, he proposed a bill to make divorce harder if one party disagreed). Poll-testing of different attacking strategies found single women outraged by Mr Cuccinelli’s social crusades. “Divorce was a big one,” Mr Halle fondly recalls.

Somehow I missed this.

Yeah, I bet divorce was a big one.

182 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:12:44pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Read the first line of my post. I’m enrolled already but they couldn’t enroll us fast enough to get the first check in.

(:

my bad

183 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:14:07pm

And my response:

184 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:14:37pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

No, she was the winner of her season of American Idol.

Glad somebody is a fan, and it doesn’t have to be me.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:15:54pm

Behold the murderous nature of the enemy:

CCTV footage of the Dec. 5 militant attack on a Yemeni hospital that killed 63 people was released Thursday.

The attack took place at the Ministry of Defense compound in Sana’a. Militants used rocket launchers and detonated car bombs to gain entry into the compound. Once inside, another gunman lobbed a live grenade into a crowd of nearly a dozen civilians, The Wall Street Journal reports.

According the Journal, gunmen also entered active surgery wards, fatally shooting doctors and patients as they were being operated on.

Warning, the video is graphic:

Youtube Video

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:19:33pm

Those not liking insect close-ups please scroll by…


=======

Both series so far are all from my trip to coastal NC back in September.

187 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:20:46pm
188 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:21:56pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Increasing Police Brutality: Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

Anyone know about this site?

Conspiracy nutters.

189 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:22:34pm

ah!

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as a left-wing equivalent to WingNutDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), founded by Michel Chossudovsky.

190 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:22:39pm

re: #184 darthstar

Glad somebody is a fan, and it doesn’t have to be me.

I’m not fan of the show, I just remember lots of things.

191 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:22:41pm
192 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:22:55pm

re: #188 Gus

Conspiracy nutters.

How can you rememer all the players, their position and their history?

193 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:23:26pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

I’m not fan of the show, I just remember lots of things.

Sure you’re not. Of course. Why would anyone think otherwise?

194 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:26:37pm

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

How can you rememer all the players, their position and their history?

Not in detail. Saw the link. Sure, maybe cops killed about as much since 1970 to equal those killed in Iraq. But not all of those deaths were unjustified. Probably a small percentage are unjustified. I think people forget what cops are dealing with out there. Which is pretty sad.

They link to some anti-vaxxer site on that story.

195 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:29:03pm

Google Glass?

did Vernor Vinge design these?

196 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:29:30pm
197 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:29:57pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

Good for you! I gave away a whole household of things I didn’t need, when I moved. And it’s nicer to give to someone who serves, I think!

198 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:30:05pm

re: #195 FemNaziBitch

Google Glass?

did Vernor Vinge design these?

I was definitely suspect, that’s why I asked. I seem to remember something. I wouldn’t page or tweet it, that’s why I asked.

You, seem to have instant recall tho.

199 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:30:28pm

I follow Gun Deaths. Sometimes they’ll Tweet a gun death involving law enforcement. Most of the time it’s justified. SOP.

200 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:30:41pm

re: #197 Dancing along the light of day

Good for you! I gave away a whole household of things I didn’t need, when I moved. And it’s nicer to give to someone who serves, I think!

A mover told us once that it’s best to move every 3 years to keep from accumulated excess stuff.

201 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:30:53pm

That is LE killing what we used to kill a bad guy.

202 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:30:57pm

re: #199 Gus

I follow Gun Deaths. Sometimes they’ll Tweet a gun death involving law enforcement. Most of the time it’s justified. SOP.

ah!

203 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:31:34pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

Increasing Police Brutality: Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

Anyone know about this site?

It’s a leftist/paulian conspiracy site.

204 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:31:40pm

re: #199 Gus

I follow Gun Deaths. Sometimes they’ll Tweet a gun death involving law enforcement. Most of the time it’s justified. SOP.

What do you know about gun deaths and intimate partner and/or domestic violence stats?

I’d love to peruse some of those, but haven’t had the time to research.

205 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:32:30pm

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

What do you know about gun deaths and intimate partner and/or domestic violence stats?

I’d love to peruse some of those, but haven’t had the time to research.

Google! ;)

206 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:34:08pm

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

A mover told us once that it’s best to move every 3 years to keep from accumulated excess stuff.

I think just cleaning your closets (and garage) out every couple of years would be easier and cheaper.

207 darthstar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:35:19pm

This sucks.

208 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:35:42pm
209 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:36:14pm
210 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:36:35pm
211 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:37:41pm

re: #209 Gus

Intimate Partner Violence and Firearms (PDF)

That one didn’t have references.

212 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:37:46pm

re: #157 The War TARDIS

Also, why the hell would anyone want to attack Wichita. That perplexes me.

For the same reason another terrorist was compelled to attack Oklahoma City. Some people are just assholes.

213 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:37:55pm

re: #206 calochortus

I did 4 Estates for loved ones in the past 10 years. It’s just STUFF! It’s the people who matter.

214 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:38:00pm

re: #206 calochortus

I think just cleaning your closets (and garage) out every couple of years would be easier and cheaper.

Nice idea, but does anyone actually do it?

215 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:38:49pm

re: #211 FemNaziBitch

That one didn’t have references.

Ah. Found it with the Google search. Plenty more there.

216 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:39:13pm

re: #197 Dancing along the light of day

Good for you! I gave away a whole household of things I didn’t need, when I moved. And it’s nicer to give to someone who serves, I think!

Hi You! Finally! After a million years SNL has a funny skit tonight..
It will be the rage in the morning..Obama talking with a crazy interpreter behind him, It was so damn funny I couldn’t stop laughing…
How are you?

217 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:39:15pm

re: #212 Lidane

I know, it’s just when I think about stuff like this, I think about the Big 3.

New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

218 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:40:36pm

The current question is does having a firearm pointed at you, your child or a pet constitute a “threat”?

I say yes.

Why? because the firearm is always loaded.

I can’t, of course, remember the law regarding this issue.

I suspect that one asks an abuse survivor, were you threatened by gun, and he/she says no, then you ask, has the abuser ever pointed a gun at you —often you’ll hear “yeah, but he said it wasn’t loaded.”

Women, in particular, in my part of the world seem to be very ignorant of firearm safety.

219 Lidane  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:40:39pm

re: #217 The War TARDIS

I know, it’s just when I think about stuff like this, I think about the Big 3.

New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles.

That’s what most people do, but you can never fully predict psychotic behavior.

Case in point: the nutbar here in Austin who burned his house down and slammed his plane into the IRS building here.

220 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:41:16pm

re: #216 HoosierHoops

Peachy! And how be you & Winston? Is Winston hiding from all the packing yet?

221 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:42:10pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

The current question is does having a firearm pointed at you, your child or a pet constitute a “threat”?

I say yes.

Why? because the firearm is always loaded.

I can’t, of course, remember the law regarding this issue.

I suspect that one asks an abuse survivor, were you threatened by gun, and he/she says no, then you ask, has the abuser ever pointed a gun at you —often you’ll hear “yeah, but he said it wasn’t loaded.”

Women, in particular, in my part of the world seem to be very ignorant of firearm safety.

Always assume the gun is loaded.

222 calochortus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:42:20pm

re: #214 FemNaziBitch

Nice idea, but does anyone actually do it?

Well, I do to some extent, but I did keep a fair amount of stuff around for nearly a decade after the kids were out of college because “they might want this as they set up housekeeping.” They pretty much didn’t.

223 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:42:40pm

“But officer! The gun wasn’t loaded!”

NOPE.

224 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:43:35pm

re: #219 Lidane

Yeah, I forgot about that.

Maybe I should rememeber that Colorado cranks out Religious Crazies like nuts, between the Christian Nuts in COS, and Muslims in the Extended Denver Metro.

The Muslims up there tended to be Salafi, and a number of American Militant Extremists have roots back to Colorado. ex. Anwar al-Awlaki.

That was a factor in me moving down here, actually.

225 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:44:44pm


226 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:44:53pm

hmmm
How Every Part of American Life Became a Police Matter

I think this is on the paranoid side? you?

227 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:45:33pm
228 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:47:01pm

re: #221 Gus

Always assume the gun is loaded.

yes, people die every day from unloaded guns.

The idea that a gun is ever safe is about as sound as abstinence-only education, IMHO.

Well, I mean except if if the chamber is open and one of those plastic flaggy things is sticking out, but it’s still pretty effective as a bludgeon.

229 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:47:52pm

“Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago.”

230 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:49:01pm

re: #213 Dancing along the light of day

I did 4 Estates for loved ones in the past 10 years. It’s just STUFF! It’s the people who matter.

I hear ya..I’ve got so much to sell this spring..I’m not sure why dad needed four sets of golf clubs.. Pro bags..I got my own set..I got a lot of Diamonds from mom. I have my Dad’s Rolex worth a mid sized car..
You are right..
I’d give up my whole world for just one minute to hold them and tell them I love them forever..Just one minute…The rest is just dust in the wind.

231 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:51:16pm

re: #230 HoosierHoops

Got yer phone nearby?

232 HoosierHoops  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:51:43pm

re: #231 Dancing along the light of day

Got yer phone nearby?

Yes!

233 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:52:29pm

re: #229 Gus

I would like to see a correlation between this and the fact that the number of households with guns has gone down over the same time.

234 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:53:12pm
-Abuses drugs or alcohol.20
-Over 80% of men who killed or abused a female partner were problem drinkers in the year before the incident.21
-More than 2/3 of homicide and attempted homicide offenders were intoxicated at the time of the incident, compared to fewer than 1/4 of their victims.22
-More than 1/4 of homicide offenders used both alcohol and drugs during the incident, compared to just under 6% of non-lethal partner abusers.23

Which, of course, violates another hallmark of firearms safety —alcohol and guns don’t mix. And, IIRC, is a violation of the law. (felony??)

I really need to refamiliarize my stuff with gun laws.

235 Snarknado!  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:53:19pm

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh the joys of starting a new job. Since it takes awhile for direct deposit to be set up, our first paychecks were mailed out to us.

Payday was Friday.

I STILL don’t have my check yet. That means I’ll need to wait until Monday to (hopefully) finally get my money.

I don’t understand why they couldn’t have sent the checks directly to our office instead of mailing them out to each individual employee.

[rant]
I process payroll for my office (among other things). Once upon a time, long long ago (less than a year), paychecks for which direct deposit wasn’t set up or hadn’t started were sent to the office the recipient “belonged” to. I processed a lost check once a year if that.

Now, in their wisdom, they’ve switched to mailing them to home addresses, and it seems I process one a month or more (and in those distant times, they could replace one overnight — now it takes three to five days).

So they have added postage charges, plus the cost of cancel and reissue — not to mention the burden to the employee. Another of the benefits of our new streamlined business processes — at least that’s what they keep telling us.
[/rant>]

236 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:53:47pm
237 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:54:09pm
238 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:54:18pm

re: #233 Belafon

I would like to see a correlation between this and the fact that the number of households with guns has gone down over the same time.

and mass shooting victims have increased?

Gun ownership seems to be concentrated in a smaller and smaller group of people —and law enforcement.

scary shit.

239 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:56:06pm

When YOU ARE cleaning out your closet OR moving, PLEASE remember your local domestic violence shelter.

They are always in need —of everything. Especially household goods as women move from shelter to a new place.

240 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 8:58:42pm

Nyctophilia

(n.) love of darkness or night. finding relaxation or comfort in the darkness

241 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:00:37pm
242 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:02:19pm

re: #238 FemNaziBitch

and mass shooting victims have increased?

Gun ownership seems to be concentrated in a smaller and smaller group of people —and law enforcement.

scary shit.

Might have peaked in 2008-2009.

243 blueraven  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:02:58pm

re: #236 Gus

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Oh boy, that is gonna leave a mark!

244 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:03:47pm

Spree killers might be a separate category.

245 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:07:51pm

re: #242 Gus

I wish their chart had gone back about 20 years.

246 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:09:21pm

re: #245 Belafon

I wish their chart had gone back about 20 years.

motherjones.com

247 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:11:14pm

This year might be a low year.

248 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:12:24pm
249 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:13:26pm

re: #246 Gus

motherjones.com

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I LOVE ALL this information, Thank you.

250 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:14:35pm

re: #248 FemNaziBitch

FUCK! fuck! FUCK!

20 Dead in Confirmed Bubonic Plague Outbreak

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What a horrible way to die.

251 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:14:38pm

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

I LOVE ALL this information, Thank you.

They have a list here: Mother Jones’ Investigation: US Mass Shootings, 1982-2012

252 Belafon  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:15:22pm

re: #246 Gus

Well, thank you.

253 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:15:24pm

re: #251 Gus

They have a list here: Mother Jones’ Investigation: US Mass Shootings, 1982-2012

I have to stay on my personal topic—I’d love to peruse it all!

Domestic Violence Victims and ignorance of gun safety in the population.

254 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:16:36pm

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

I have to stay on my personal topic—I’d love to peruse it all!

Domestic Violence Victims and ignorance of gun safety in the population.

The resistance to gun safety is mind boggling.

255 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:17:55pm

So, can anyone remember any dystopian or other novels in which the (weaponry of the period) or firearm ownership/control was concentrated with (1) the legitimate governing power & (2) a small group of whacked out citizens.

Ok, maybe we don’t need a novel to show us how that turns out.

Recent and not-so-recent history could be the best source.

256 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:18:31pm

re: #254 Gus

The resistance to gun safety is mind boggling.

Yeah, I don’t get it.

But, I grew-up with guns and the appropriate rules. Detroit, Indiana …

257 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:19:31pm
258 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:20:33pm
259 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:21:03pm
260 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:21:38pm

re: #243 blueraven

Mark?

That’s gonna leave an impact crater.

261 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:22:26pm

re: #259 FemNaziBitch

Huh.

The Doctor appears to have retired and set up a business in Queens.

:P

262 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:22:43pm
263 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:23:31pm

HA!

How Gonzo Journalism was born.

I forgot about this, among other things.

264 Kragar  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:37:13pm

Brutal offshore Christian reform school exposed in new documentary

“Kidnapped for Christ” is a new documentary that tells the story of teenagers sent to an evangelical Christian boarding school outside the U.S. where school personnel attempt to rid them of feelings of same sex attraction or other “ungodly” influences.

“They mess your mind up,” said former student Deirdre Sugiuchi to Raw Story. “Prisoners have more freedom than we had.”

The “school” is Escuela Caribe, an evangelical Christian reform school that is run like a prison camp by an organization called New Horizons Youth Ministries.

Many of the students are the children of Christian parents who believe their sons and daughters’ nascent feelings of same sex attraction can be eliminated by the school’s program of Bible study, brutally hard work, exercise and physical punishment to break the students down.

Other students, like Sugiuchi, were the children of well-to-do evangelicals who were just being normal teens.

“My parents were fundamentalist Christians,” she said, “and they didn’t like the way I was turning out.”

So, at 15, Sugiuchi was sent to school in the Dominican Republic at Escuela Caribe. There were only about 40 students at the school at any given time, she said, and from the moment students arrive they are placed on a stringent system of punishments and rewards.

265 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:40:12pm

266 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:40:40pm
267 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:40:58pm

re: #264 Kragar

Remember that one young man that died recently —starved to death. .

268 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:41:53pm
269 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:50:25pm
270 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:52:06pm
271 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:54:39pm
272 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 9:55:38pm

bbl

273 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:12:45pm
274 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:19:05pm

Methodist.

275 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:27:20pm

Evening lizards!

276 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:34:17pm

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

They all fell asleep.

277 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:37:05pm

I’m not dead yet…

278 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:37:29pm

re: #276 Gus

They all fell asleep.

They knew I was stopping by and ran away.

279 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:44:39pm

My mom came down to TN for a visit over Thanksgiving . I turned her on to this band and now she’s a big fan.

Youtube Video

280 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:45:02pm

re: #278 NJDhockeyfan

They knew I was stopping by and ran away.

Nice to see you again. Hope all is well. Sattv4u2 wanted me to say hi on his behalf.

281 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:45:25pm

re: #276 Gus

You know what nation in Africa I am impressed by?

Botswana.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:46:01pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Nice to see you again. Hope all is well. Sattv4u2 wanted me to say hi on his behalf.

Thanks KT. How are the frogs doing?

283 freetoken  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:50:31pm
284 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:50:36pm

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks KT. How are the frogs doing?

The frogs are well. They stay pretty quiet in the colder months but on warmer days I can hear them talking.

285 Gus  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:52:54pm

re: #281 The War TARDIS

You know what nation in Africa I am impressed by?

Botswana.

No beach!

Out of steam here. Good night all.

286 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:53:15pm

Oh, by the way…Merry Christmas!

287 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 10:55:55pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

The frogs are well. They stay pretty quiet in the colder months but on warmer days I can hear them talking.

No frogs on my property. Just deer and big fucking turkeys.

288 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:04:39pm

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

No frogs on my property. Just deer and big fucking turkeys.

Bonus if you can shoot supper from your bathtub. Double points if the bathtub is indoors.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:07:07pm
290 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:12:02pm

re: #288 Killgore Trout

Bonus if you can shoot supper from your bathtub. Double points if the bathtub is indoors.

The bathtub is inside. This part of Tennessee does have indoor plumbing. Believe it or not I’ve already seen an outhouse since I moved here.

291 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Dec 14, 2013 11:55:44pm

re: #265 FemNaziBitch

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It’s the abbreviated version of most holy books.

292 freetoken  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:05:35am

And now, for some mean accordion - “Buenas Fiestas” :

MP3 Audio

Shredded accordion - oh yes.

293 freetoken  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:24:44am

“Snow is God’s Will” - that’s what Google translate tells me:

MP3 Audio

294 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:40:18am

re: #290 NJDhockeyfan

The bathtub is inside. This part of Tennessee does have indoor plumbing. Believe it or not I’ve already seen an outhouse since I moved here.

Hope your girls are well!

295 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 3:20:20am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

She’s going to catch her death.

296 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 4:15:12am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, by the way…Merry Christmas!

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Is that your mom? : )

297 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 4:36:22am

NJHF, have you learned to love grits yet?

Just had a bowl myself with a soft-fried egg on top. Don’t do it often, but with real butter and salt and pepper, I’d rather have grits than any other forbidden food, like brownies. That is the real southerner in me and about the only southern food I still eat in the original version. I only eat them at home, though, where I can control the cooking, consistency, and serving, and use real butter, eating the stuff freshly cooked. Restaurant grits just don’t do them right, mostly too runny and overcooked because they sit there for hours and they keep adding water. You should use no brand but Quaker, BTW. My grandson had a couple of slices of fried liver mush in addition (that’s mostly a NC thing)…but I don’t eat that (did when young—it’s pretty tasty).

298 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 4:39:23am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

She’s going to catch her death.

Whatawaytogo

299 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:04:21am

Graph withdrawn due to being posted by a crazy site.

300 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:13:34am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

You shouldn’t us a graph that simply has firearm homicides, but all deaths from guns, if you’re talking about deaths from guns.

A cite called ‘selling the second amendment’ is probably not a good resource.

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:22:27am

re: #300 Uncle Obdicut

You shouldn’t us a graph that simply has firearm homicides, but all deaths from guns, if you’re talking about deaths from guns.

A cite called ‘selling the second amendment’ is probably not a good resource.

Actually, that wasn’t the problematic site. The graph was from another site that turned out to be run by a “Doomsday Prepper” type.

But firearms homicides would be valid, since accidental deaths from firearms are much fewer in number than homicides. Actually, ‘firearms homicides’ is an overcount in some ways, since it includes homicides that are ruled justifiable.

302 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:22:39am

Israel begins fuel transfer for Gaza power plant

france24.com

“Israel began transferring fuel to Gaza’s sole power plant on Sunday, a Palestinian official said, as the Hamas-ruled enclave struggled to deal with massive flooding caused by winter downpours.

“Raed Fatuh, a Palestinian Authority official in charge of the transfer of goods into Gaza, said Israel would be transferring 450,000 litres of fuel to the plant, which ground to a halt on November 1.

(snip)

“The Ramallah-based government purchased the fuel from Israel with funds donated by gas-rich Gulf state Qatar.”

303 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:24:59am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Now I can skip the brining before I smoke some pork!

304 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:25:12am

re: #264 Kragar

Sleep deprived and worked to exhaustion, the students are fed on a diet of “sugar and fat,” Sugiuchi said. “It was in no way adequate to the amount of manual labor we were doing. We weren’t getting the nutrients we needed.”

While only one student is known to have died at Escuela Caribe in a flash flood, Sugiuchi said that school officials pushed the students to the very brink of their physical endurance in order to make them more malleable and open to what she called a program of straightforward “brainwashing.”

Standard cult technique. It’s imperative that the victim’s mind not be working properly so that the correct form of information disease can be implanted.

305 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:26:24am

re: #303 Flounder

Now I can skip the brining before I smoke some pork!

What brand of rolling papers do you use !?!?!

306 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:27:12am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Actually, that wasn’t the problematic site. The graph was from another site that turned out to be run by a “Doomsday Prepper” type.

But firearms homicides would be valid, since accidental deaths from firearms are much fewer in number than homicides. Actually, ‘firearms homicides’ is an overcount in some ways, since it includes homicides that are ruled justifiable.

“Justifiable” doesn’t matter here, we’re just talking about numbers. You’re also missing the number of gun suicides in that graph.

Edit: There are about twice as many suicides by gun as there are homicides by gun.

307 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:31:11am

re: #305 sattv4u2

Actually today I am smoking a 16 pound turkey. I am kinda nervous because:
1) 16 lbs is a kinda big to smoke.
2) It is for the in laws and their relatives.
3) I can’t baby sit it, daughter is singing at the Melodies of Christmas show at Proctors.

It already smells good outside. We got a foot of snow and everything is so quiet.

308 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:32:42am

re: #307 Flounder

Actually today I am smoking a 16 pound turkey. I am kinda nervous because:
1) 16 lbs is a kinda big to smoke.
2) It is for the in laws and their relatives.
3) I can’t baby sit it, daughter is singing at the Melodies of Christmas show at Proctors.

It already smells good outside. We got a foot of snow and everything is so quiet.

Good thing about smoking ,,,,, no real need for #3 (as long as you do your math pound per minutes right)

309 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:33:11am

re: #306 Uncle Obdicut

“Justifiable” doesn’t matter here, we’re just talking about numbers. You’re also missing the number of gun suicides in that graph.

Edit: There are about twice as many suicides by gun as there are homicides by gun.

I’d argue that gun suicides ought to be considered separately from homicides, especially since a great many of them would have taken place even had no gun been available.

310 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:35:20am

re: #264 Kragar

Brutal offshore Christian reform school exposed in new documentary

Here are some more articles on those “tough love” type BS teen academies.

teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com

Many come out of them more scarred than they were by their families.

Former “residents” tell stories here: nhym-alumni.org

311 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:37:33am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

2010,,, about half of all (38,364) suicides were with a gun (19,392)

cdc.gov

Agree that many would have found another method

I had a cousin who was a gun owner and did NOT use that when he committed suicide (hung himself)

312 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:38:15am

re: #307 Flounder

Actually today I am smoking a 16 pound turkey. I am kinda nervous because:
1) 16 lbs is a kinda big to smoke.
2) It is for the in laws and their relatives.
3) I can’t baby sit it, daughter is singing at the Melodies of Christmas show at Proctors.

It already smells good outside. We got a foot of snow and everything is so quiet.

Yummy! Here’s what Alton Brown recommends (although I’ve seen 165 deg in the thigh w/thermometer). foodnetwork.com

So, 4-1/2 hrs?

313 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:41:15am

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

So, 4-1/2 hrs?

Is that how long before he kicks the in laws and relatives out !?!?!
//

314 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 5:43:15am

re: #312 Justanotherhuman

I was planning on 10 hours at 200 degrees (in order to hit the 165), hope I am right !

315 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:07:23am

re: #314 Flounder

I was planning on 10 hours at 200 degrees, hope I am right !

Takes longer if you don’t remove all the feathers and innards !!

((don’t EVEN ask me why I know that!!!))
//

316 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:13:25am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

I’d argue that gun suicides ought to be considered separately from homicides, especially since a great many of them would have taken place even had no gun been available.

Argue all you like, they’re still gun deaths, and the higher rates of death from gun vs. other methods of attempted suicide is also well-established and unarguable.

The fact that chart leaves out all suicide is a serious flaw.

And the chart folds all gun-related accidents into the larger accident categories.

It is a deeply dishonest chart. Did you think about it at all before you posted it?

317 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:16:57am

re: #316 Uncle Obdicut

No, those were things I hadn’t considered. But I withdrew the chart anyways, because I had concerns about its source, concerns it appears I was right to have.

318 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:20:45am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

No, those were things I hadn’t considered. But I withdrew the chart anyways, because I had concerns about its source, concerns it appears I was right to have.

Try to put the thinking about stuff before the posting about stuff thing, and exercises like this will become less frequent.

In other news, The Great American Brown Dog, in this case, my brother’s new scamp, Celeste:

319 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:21:32am

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

FLOUNDER,,,, G’Luck with the turkey ,, and better luck with the out in-laws

Low 60’s Tuesday and Wednesday!!
Who’ll be golfing,,,, THIS guy,, thats who!!!

320 Amory Blaine  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:24:23am

What kind of smoker? Electric? Charcoal? Offset?

321 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:27:30am

re: #320 Amory Blaine

Cheapy electric smoker amazon.com
My only regret is that it is not stainless steel. The regular steel rots pretty quick because of so much moisture when smoking.

322 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:27:31am

I shoveled the driveway. I figure that should be my exercise for the week. Should I still go to the pool?

323 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:28:36am

re: #322 Lord of the Pies

Didn’t you miss last week’s swimming?

324 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:32:52am

re: #314 Flounder

I was planning on 10 hours at 200 degrees (in order to hit the 165), hope I am right !

Here’s a discussion on it. The idea seems to be that it’s not that the bird won’t be cooked through after many hours, it’s a length of time at around 140 deg where bacteria can form and grow, esp on larger birds. chowhound.chow.com

I’ve never slow cooked a turkey in the oven overnight, and always do the bird at 325, no stuffing (baked in sep cassesrole). I use veggies, or oranges, or apples which provide their own moisture and flavoring of the bird. I butter the outside well and loosely “tent” it w/foil to prevent overbrowning for 20 min a lb, and come out with a moist, done bird with a good color. Letting it sit for about half an hour helps, also; the bird will cook a few more min when first out. That is actual roasting. Some people use those bags, or totally cover the bird, like in a “roaster” pan, but that isn’t roasting, it’s steaming the bird in its juices.

The smoked turkey does sound wonderful, though! I just don’t BBQ—my son did, and he took it with him for his steaks and ribs.

325 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:34:08am

If women don’t find you handsome, at least they find you handy:
albany.craigslist.org

326 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:35:11am

re: #323 Flounder

Didn’t you miss last week’s swimming?

Yeah. :(

327 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:36:34am

re: #325 Flounder

If women don’t find you handsome, at least they find you handy:
albany.craigslist.org

Bathroom? : )

328 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:37:21am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

It will be interesting. I tried warning the in-laws, but they said they don’t care. I will turn my phone off tomorrow.

329 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:37:27am

re: #326 Lord of the Pies

Yeah. :(

Then I’d say you should go if you feel up to it. If you skip something for too long, you’ll lose having it as a habit.

330 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:39:53am

re: #321 Flounder

Cheapy electric smoker amazon.com
My only regret is that it is not stainless steel. The regular steel rots pretty quick because of so much moisture when smoking.

$3K? Whoa. pitmaker.com

331 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:46:42am
332 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:48:13am

re: #322 Lord of the Pies

I shoveled the driveway. I figure that should be my exercise for the week. Should I still go to the pool?

It’s up to you. I wouldn’t.

Then, again, I wouldn’t shovel the snow either.

That’s what kids, husbands, neighbor’s kids and the guy down the block with the plow blade for his truck are for.

333 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:48:51am

re: #318 Uncle Obdicut

Try to put the thinking about stuff before the posting about stuff thing, and exercises like this will become less frequent.

In other news, The Great American Brown Dog, in this case, my brother’s new scamp, Celeste:

[Embedded image]

Ear scratches from me!!!!!

334 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:52:52am

I am a 2nd amendment proponent. Saying that I’ve noticed 3 disturbing trends —well facts.

1-legal gun ownership in the private population is concentrated in a very small rather homogenous group.

2-the firearm industry is making alot more money than they used to.

3-gun crimes are not being prosecuted. Bad guys have guns and will always have guns, yet I don’t see any aggressive behavior on behalf of either the gun-nuts or the government to reduce the number of guns in the hands of violent people.

My answers to this are the same as ever —Cost free Contraception and (in this case) Comprehensive Education regarding firearms and the law.

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:56:24am

re: #281 The War TARDIS

You know what nation in Africa I am impressed by?

Botswana.

Reason #42 to not underestimate the cat.
facebook.com

336 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:57:25am

I find this hilarious —no the statistic, but the tweet name.

337 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 6:58:41am

worth it for the humor —sorry, I don’t think this is a verifiable statistic tho.

338 Flounder  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:00:32am

Gotta go and blow some snow, have a great day!

339 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:02:40am

I want to know where soul music like this went? I can remember dancing a lot to this tune back in the day. I miss it.

A drummer, Don Gardner, now in his 80s, is connected with the Clef Club of Jazz in Philly.

Youtube Video

340 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:09:17am

re: #334 FemNaziBitch

I am a 2nd amendment proponent. Saying that I’ve noticed 3 disturbing trends —well facts.

1-legal gun ownership in the private population is concentrated in a very small rather homogenous group.

2-the firearm industry is making alot more money than they used to.

3-gun crimes are not being prosecuted. Bad guys have guns and will always have guns, yet I don’t see any aggressive behavior on behalf of either the gun-nuts or the government to reduce the number of guns in the hands of violent people.

My answers to this are the same as ever —Cost free Contraception and (in this case) Comprehensive Education regarding firearms and the law.

The firearms industry had been making more money due to panic buying, which has currently subsided. But ammunition is still in short supply in some calibers, enough that the NRA devoted a multi-page article in the most recent issue of its American Rifleman publication to explaining the shortages and debunking the anti-government conspiracy theories the shortages have spawned.

341 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:11:05am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

The firearms industry had been making more money due to panic buying, which has currently subsided. But ammunition is still in short supply in some calibers, enough that the NRA devoted a multi-page article in the most recent issue of its American Rifleman publication to explaining the shortages and debunking the anti-government conspiracy theories the shortages have spawned.

The NRA itself spreads anti-government conspiracy theories.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:14:30am

This is so very cool:

Surreal Tree Branches Sprout Out from Indoor Support Beams

Baitogogo is a half-sculptural, half-architectural installation by Brazilian artist Henrique Oliveira that presents a surreal growth of tree branches out of white columns. The São Paulo-based artist’s piece offers a unique perspective of indoor design while reminding viewers of the materials used for construction. He presents a structural and organic fusion that plays with one’s sense of space.

Having installed this incredible site-specific piece at Palais de Tokyo in Paris earlier this year, the exhibit states, “Creating a spectacular and invasive Gordian Knot, Henrique Oliveira plays with Palais de Tokyo’s architecture, allowing a work that combines the vegetal and the organic to emerge. The building itself becomes the womb that produces this volume of ‘tapumes’ wood, a material used in Brazilian towns to construct the wooden palisades that surround construction sites.”

343 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:14:45am

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

The firearms industry had been making more money due to panic buying, which has currently subsided. But ammunition is still in short supply in some calibers, enough that the NRA devoted a multi-page article in the most recent issue of its American Rifleman publication to explaining the shortages and debunking the anti-government conspiracy theories the shortages have spawned.

You don’t think the NRA has been fanning the flames?

344 darthstar  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:20:45am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

You don’t think the NRA has been fanning the flames?

They do both, and they play their supporters like little puppets. They fan the flames to drive volume to the manufacturers, then publish a piece mansplaining that, while the government is out to get your guns, they’re not yet out to get you. So you can relax, but be prepared and make sure you have a good stockpile of ammo.

345 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:22:06am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

You don’t think the NRA has been fanning the flames?

About the Obama Administation’s political agenda, yes, but the NRA’s articles about ammunition shortages have from the first been anti-conspiracist. The NRA believes Barack Obama will try to restrict firearms via legislation and executive orders if he can, but not by restricting ammunition supplies via large government orders.

346 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:24:26am

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

About the Obama Administation’s political agenda, yes, but the NRA’s articles about ammunition shortages have from the first been anti-conspiracist. The NRA believes Barack Obama will try to restrict firearms via legislation and executive orders if he can, but not by restricting ammunition supplies via large government orders.

Please, look at the stuff that comes in the mail from the NRA, compare to the stuff from 10, 20 years ago and tell me it’s no different.

Lots of rhetoric and marketing ploys —statistics and percentages and reports about upcoming legislation. Notice the lack of references or even Bill numbers to aid you in fact-checking.

They are a sales organization. The only good part left of the NRA is the education and training arm.

347 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:29:20am

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

About the Obama Administation’s political agenda, yes, but the NRA’s articles about ammunition shortages have from the first been anti-conspiracist. The NRA believes Barack Obama will try to restrict firearms via legislation and executive orders if he can, but not by restricting ammunition supplies via large government orders.

They’re still spreading anti-government conspiracies. The kind they spread are actually more dangerous.

348 Mattand  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:29:22am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

You don’t think the NRA has been fanning the flames?

One of the last political surveys we received before we 86’d the land line was from the NRA. I figured, “What the hell, let’s see if they’re as bad as I’ve read.”

Spoiler alert: they’re lunatics.

The guy literally starts off asking me if I’m aware of Obama’s UN-style plan to ban gun ownership in the US. I told him that was a fucking lie and he knew it. Once he started yelling at me, I hung up.

Fuck the NRA. They consider things like the slaughter of 20 first-graders acceptable losses. They literally care more about their personal arnesal for their imaginary fight against the Feds than they do kids getting murdered.

And while I’m being confrontational: fuck the 2nd Amendment as it’s currently written and practiced. It’s an archaic suicide pact that was enacted at a time when if you could get off 3 shots in a minute, you were the freaking Punisher.

I have no problems with responsible gun ownership, but we need an Amendment that reflects a world where we can buy military grade weapons almost at will.

349 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:31:07am

re: #348 Mattand

One of the last political surveys we received before we 86’d the land line was from the NRA. I figured, “What the hell, let’s see if they’re as bad as I’ve read.”

Spoiler alert: they’re lunatics.

The guy literally starts off asking me if I’m aware of Obama’s UN-style plan to ban gun ownership in the US. I told him that was a fucking lie and he knew it. Once he started yelling at me, I hung up.

Fuck the NRA. They consider things like the slaughter of 20 first-graders acceptable losses. They literally care more about their personal arnesal for their imaginary fight against the Feds than they do kids getting murdered.

And while I’m being confrontational: fuck the 2nd Amendment as it’s currently written and practiced. It’s an archaic suicide pact that was enacted at a time when if you could get off 3 shots in a minute, you were the freaking Punisher.

I have no problems with responsible gun ownership, but we need an Amendment that reflects a world where we can buy military grade weapons almost at will.

Totally agreed with everything said here. The NRA and those like them see the 2nd amendment as rationale to hoard as many guns as possible. It’s all so fucked up.

350 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:31:22am

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

Please, look at the stuff that comes in the mail from the NRA, compare to the stuff from 10, 20 years ago and tell me it’s no different.

Lots of rhetoric and marketing ploys —statistics and percentages and reports about upcoming legislation. Notice the lack of references or even Bill numbers to aid you in fact-checking.

They are a sales organization. The only good part left of the NRA is the education and training arm.

But that just dovetails into what I was saying: They foster concerns about legislation, not the kind of backdoor tactics the conspiracists allege.

Of course, it is also the case the NRA does not not want to endanger its or its corporate affiliates relationships with federal law enforcement (other than the ATF, federal law enforcement is often positively portrayed by the NRA) and the military. Individual law enforcement officers and soldiers are actually big buyers of firearms and especially their accessories, and the firearms industry values that stream of business.

351 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:33:20am

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

But that just dovetails into what I was saying: They foster concerns about legislation, not the kind of backdoor tactics the conspiracists allege.

Of course, it is also the case the NRA does not not want to endanger its or its corporate affiliates relationships with federal law enforcement (other than the ATF, federal law enforcement is often positively portrayed by the NRA) and the military. Individual law enforcement officers and soldiers are actually big buyers of firearms and especially their accessories, and the firearms industry values that stream of business.

Dark, if they really wanted a political savvy membership, they would send more than propaganda. They would include reference links and Bill numbers. Not just one-liners to repeat to your congress critters.

To do any real research on guns in American, one must search out other sources than the NRA.

I know, I’ve done it.

352 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:33:32am

My problem is we’ve got a large segment of society that cares more about their guns than their fellow man. To me, that’s fucked up. To me, it’s also fucked up that most of the guns are owned by a smell minority of individuals. In the past, you had more spread out ownership but since the 90’s especially, you have more and more individuals turning what was a one gun or so into a private frigging arsenal. Not to mention a culture that wants to blame everything involving gun violence on everything except guns. I mean look at the NRA’s reaction after Newtown. LaPierre actually tried blaming American Psycho and Natural Born Killers for those killings with a straight face. All the time we have gun advocates blame the lack of prayer in school but nary a word about how easy it is to get a gun. I am sorry but the fact of how absurdly easy it is to get a machine designed for killing is absurd. It shouldn’t be easier to get a gun than a car.

353 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:35:54am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

Dark, if they really wanted a political savvy membership, they would send more than propaganda. They would include reference links and Bill numbers. Not just one-liners to repeat to your congress critters.

To do any real research on guns in American, one must search out other sources than the NRA.

I know, I’ve done it.

Mass organizations don’t want political savvy, since it makes their members harder to control. They want people who can be ‘fired up’ to drive them to donate or to drive them to the polls.

354 darthstar  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:38:03am
355 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:38:49am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Mass organizations don’t want political savvy, since it makes their members harder to control. They want people who can be ‘fired up’ to drive them to donate or to drive them to the polls.

It doesn’t seem to be serving the country well.

They are more about money than the Constitution.

356 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:39:44am
357 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:45:01am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

It doesn’t seem to be serving the country well.

They are more about money than the Constitution.

GGT, you are an astute master of the obvious.

(Sorry, there was no other way to say that. I meant no offense.)

358 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 7:45:29am

bbl

359 darthstar  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:03:08am

Heh…

360 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:11:10am

re: #359 darthstar

Heh…

[Embedded image]

Haha.

361 The War TARDIS  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:13:03am

Sir, what are you doing? That is a really risky place to stand, and if something happens, it is a long way down.

362 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:16:49am

And it starts:

Iowa Poll: The early favorites for 2016 presidential race


desmoinesregister.com

363 b.d.  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:22:44am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

And it starts:

Iowa Poll: The early favorites for 2016 presidential race

desmoinesregister.com

Aarrgghh!!! Not exactly shocked that Christie’s BS doesn’t play too well in Iowa.

What a bunch of palookas.

364 Lidane  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:28:41am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

And it starts:

Iowa Poll: The early favorites for 2016 presidential race

desmoinesregister.com

Ryan, Huckabee, Santorum and Perry ahead of Chris Christie?

Please proceed GOP. Hahaha.

365 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:29:00am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

And it starts:

Iowa Poll: The early favorites for 2016 presidential race

desmoinesregister.com

A poll almost 3 years from the election?

[headdesk]

366 Lidane  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:30:33am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

A poll almost 3 years from the election?

[headdesk]

Correction: A poll a year after the last election.

367 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:33:04am

re: #364 Lidane

Ryan, Huckabee, Santorum and Perry ahead of Chris Christie?

Please proceed GOP. Hahaha.

I doubt the wingnuts like Paul Ryan very much right now, though Larry Kudlow is right that he did just save the GOP from itself.

368 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:33:50am

re: #366 Lidane

Correction: A poll a year after the last election.

Even so, it’s just too darn soon.

369 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:36:13am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

A poll almost 3 years from the election?

[headdesk]

I can hardly wait for the daily tracking polls!
///

Mind you, it was great fun watching the parade of NotMitts on the GOP side last time. It was like watching someone going through their closet of weird old clothes, trying on outfit after outfit, anything to avoid that boring gray suit. But each time, they’d look in the mirror, see the clown shoes, or that big orange wig, or the big red nose, and realize that no, this outfit won’t work either.

370 Lidane  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

Even so, it’s just too darn soon.

For 2016, yes. As a way to see where the Iowa GOP is a year after the last election, however, it’s useful.

Although if you’re right and they all hate Ryan now, that would mean that they want a religious nutter like Huckabee or Santorum as the nominee, which is a bigger problem.

371 b.d.  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:43:04am

[Sunday Show Host] We are devoting the entire hour this morning on Christie’s poor Iowa poll numbers and what actions he must take NOW to improve them. [ /Sunday Show Host]

372 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:43:16am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

A poll almost 3 years from the election?

[headdesk]

Only 150 chances to have a “TPGOP Frontrunner of the Week”.

373 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:44:16am

2016?
Fuck it, it’s 2013.

374 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:45:51am

re: #373 Varek Raith

2016?
Fuck it, it’s 2013.

Nate Silver’s refurbished 538 site will be up in January. Catch the rhythm.

375 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:48:07am

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Nate Silver’s refurbished 538 site will be up in January. Catch the rhythm.

Unskewed Polls has Mitt Romney ahead by 150% in Iowa.
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376 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:48:37am

re: #375 Feline Fearless Leader

Unskewed Polls has Mitt Romney ahead by 150% in Iowa.
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That’s bad news for John McCain.

377 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:49:42am

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Nate Silver’s refurbished 538 site will be up in January. Catch the rhythm.

Well, 2014 is an election year, so having 538 up and running for the midterms is appropriate. Nate Silver proved the polling ace of the 2012 elections and got lots of attention from the political press in doing so. It stands to reason he’s going to want to ride that success next year to as much fame and fortune as he can (ethically) find.

378 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:50:02am

re: #376 Decatur Deb

That’s bad news for John McCain.

I was under the impression that there’s no such thing as bad news for John McCain. Apart from John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin, of course….

379 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:50:05am

There’s money to be made by producing a software-reprogrammable GOP campaign button.

380 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:50:53am

re: #378 GeneJockey

I was under the impression that there’s no such thing as bad news for John McCain. Apart from John McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin, of course….

Bad news for the US Navy would be bad news for John McCain.

381 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:50:55am

What’s Dick Morris saying about 2014? then we can comfortably assume the opposite will happen.

382 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:51:56am

re: #381 GeneJockey

What’s Dick Morris saying about 2014? then we can comfortably assume the opposite will happen.

Once Rand Paul takes the lead, he’ll never relinquish it.

383 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:52:24am

re: #379 Decatur Deb

There’s money to be made by producing a software-reprogrammable GOP campaign button.

Yeah, but that might be true for either party in 2016.

384 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:54:47am

re: #381 GeneJockey

What’s Dick Morris saying about 2014? then we can comfortably assume the opposite will happen.

He said that John Boehner was “eating his young” with his attacks on conservative activists opposed to the budget deal. What Boehner actually did was to drive an SUV on the outer lane of the roadway and thus keep the activists from driving their clown car off the cliff.

385 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 8:54:51am

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but that might be true for either party in 2016.

For the Dem VP slot.

386 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:21:54am

I went to the pool and did my laps. Meanwhile outside was still snowing.

When I came back my shoveling from this morning was obliterated.

I said fuck it, and offered the guy across the street $30 to use his snow blower in our driveway when he finishes doing his.

387 EmmaAnne  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, thank God! She’s white!

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388 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:26:07am

Good afternoon Lizards.

Partly cloudy and windy this early afternoon in Philly. 40F out as the icy snow remnants from last night melt a bit. Will be cooling down past freezing again tonight and forecast is calling for more snow on Tuesday.

And Navy squashed Army yesterday in the annual football match up.

389 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:26:28am

re: #286 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, by the way…Merry Christmas!

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Whoa! Those aren’t fishnet stockings. More like chainlink fence!

390 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:31:16am

And another NC photo.

391 EmmaAnne  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:34:28am

re: #348 Mattand

And while I’m being confrontational: fuck the 2nd Amendment as it’s currently written and practiced. It’s an archaic suicide pact that was enacted at a time when if you could get off 3 shots in a minute, you were the freaking Punisher.

I’m not quite as down on the second amendment as you are - I think it leaves plenty of room for sensible regulation - but I love that punisher metaphor!

392 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 9:39:55am

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

I will keep that in mind. It is scheduled for 9pm on December 17 with my local PBS station. That will provide some relief from the December beg-a-thon.

393 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:01:07am

re: #390 Feline Fearless Leader

And another NC photo.

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A Kingfisher. Saw a lot of use in a lot of countries in WWII.

394 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:07:40am

re: #393 Romantic Heretic

A Kingfisher. Saw a lot of use in a lot of countries in WWII.

It’s from the USS North Carolina museum. Kingfishers were used by battleships as search-and-rescue and spotter planes. These were short distance for the most part, as was true for most nations. The exception was Japan, which used cruiser and battleship floatplanes for longer range recon as part of their task force air search doctrine. But IJN floatplanes were longer ranged than the Kingfisher, though that range was at the expense of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks,

395 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:12:05am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

It’s from the USS North Carolina museum. Kingfishers were used by battleships as search-and-rescue and spotter planes. These were short distance for the most part, as was true for most nations. The exception was Japan, which used cruiser and battleship floatplanes for longer range recon as part of their task force air search doctrine. But IJN floatplanes were longer ranged than the Kingfisher, though that range was at the expense of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks,

Sounds pretty dangerous.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:12:33am
397 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:22:04am

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds pretty dangerous.

It was. Japanese military aircraft design going into WW2 made a trade-off decision in order to get longer range, lower weight, and maneuverability. It made for good dog fighting capability for their fighters as even float plane versions of the Zero could give Allied fighters problems.

However, this also made most of their planes somewhat fragile and *very* prone to fire if they took damage to fuel tanks. Which leads on to fairly large plane losses and associated loss of pilots and crew. Which, given the strenuous and relatively small Japanese pilot training system, led to shortages of trained pilots once their supply of veteran pilots ran low. (And the Japanese did not rotate pilots or squadrons out much - so veterans basically continued flying combat until killed or crippled.)

398 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:28:41am

re: #397 Feline Fearless Leader

It was. Japanese military aircraft design going into WW2 made a trade-off decision in order to get longer range, lower weight, and maneuverability. It made for good dog fighting capability for their fighters as even float plane versions of the Zero could give Allied fighters problems.

However, this also made most of their planes somewhat fragile and *very* prone to fire if they took damage to fuel tanks. Which leads on to fairly large plane losses and associated loss of pilots and crew. Which, given the strenuous and relatively small Japanese pilot training system, led to shortages of trained pilots once their supply of veteran pilots ran low. (And the Japanese did not rotate pilots or squadrons out much - so veterans basically continued flying combat until killed or crippled.)

The Japanese did reverse course later in the war with better protected fighters such as the Ki-84 Hayate (Gale, the Allied codename was ‘Frank’), but by that time those better planes had less-trained pilots and were facing a flood tide of American aircraft.

399 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:34:49am

Peter O ‘Toole has passed away.

400 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:35:45am

In other news I’m seeing, “Al Qaeda in Kansas.” Shouldn’t that actually be “FBI undercover agent portrays himself as Al Qaeda in Kansas?”

401 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:36:23am

At this point the FBI can nab someone as trying to buy the USS Enterprise.

402 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:36:48am

re: #399 Gus

That is sad news. RIP Mr O’Toole.

403 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:39:21am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

The Japanese did reverse course later in the war with better protected fighters such as the Ki-84 Hayate (Gale, the Allied codename was ‘Frank’), but by that time those better planes had less-trained pilots and were facing a flood tide of American aircraft.

I remember reading about the Mitsubishi G4M “Betty”, referred to by both American and Japanese pilots as “the flying cigarette lighter” among disparaging nicknames.

404 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:49:12am

re: #400 Gus

In other news I’m seeing, “Al Qaeda in Kansas.” Shouldn’t that actually be “FBI undercover agent portrays himself as Al Qaeda in Kansas?”

Not really. I wouldn’t expect to see headlines like “FBI agent impersonates hitman” instead of “Man arrested in murder for hire plot”.

405 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:50:35am

Occupy affiliated arsonist convicted
Former Occupy activist gets 8 years for arson

406 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:50:51am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

Not really. I wouldn’t expect to see headlines like “FBI agent impersonates hitman” instead of “Man arrested in murder for hire plot”.

Theater.

407 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 10:58:56am

“Little Green Footballs” Mocks Gateway Pundit’s Loss of Insurance Because of Obamacare | Weasel Zippers

The first two comments:

Gary Rumain

Where are all the lynch mobs?
10 Likes

[…]

derfelcadarn

Torches and pitchforks should be at the ready

408 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:01:32am

The FBI isn’t going out of its way to coach crazy people on the internet who want to kill their wife like they’re doing with “terrorists” and then doing the press-conference photo-op thing. It’s all a show. In fact it’s been reported already that they’re barely nabbing any real terrorists in the USA. Apparently they’re so good they let the Boston Marathon bombers slip away. They also had no clue about the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber. Fort Hood shooter who allegedly had communication Al-Awaki.

Most of the real ones are only caught at the last minute. This is a small number of people who are likely caught by ordinary civilians. Instead it’s just another nut they find on the internet who they hook up with a slick FBI undercover agent that HELPS said “terrorist.” It’s mostly intent and behavior that they’re catching. They’re not nabbing and significant conspiracies nor any real connection to foreign terrorist organizations. The connections are typically some nut that “wants to talk with Al Qaeda.”

409 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:02:24am

re: #407 Charles Johnson

“Little Green Footballs” Mocks Gateway Pundit’s Loss of Insurance Because of Obamacare | Weasel Zippers

The first two comments:

They still linking to that neo-Nazi black on white crime website in the comments at Weasel Zippers?

410 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:02:41am

re: #318 Uncle Obdicut

Try to put the thinking about stuff before the posting about stuff thing, and exercises like this will become less frequent.

In other news, The Great American Brown Dog, in this case, my brother’s new scamp, Celeste:

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A text-book breed perfect templar of the TGABD.

RBS

411 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:06:57am

re: #399 Gus

Did he ever end up winning an Oscar?

412 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:08:44am

re: #411 Eclectic Cyborg

Did he ever end up winning an Oscar?

O’Toole was nominated eight times for the Academy Award for Best Actor in a Leading Role, making him the most-nominated actor never to win the award.

413 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:09:01am

re: #409 Gus

They still linking to that neo-Nazi black on white crime website in the comments at Weasel Zippers?

Probably, but I couldn’t read more than a few comments there. Good grief, what a fucking sewer that place is.

414 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:09:43am

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

I remember reading about the Mitsubishi G4M “Betty”, referred to by both American and Japanese pilots as “the flying cigarette lighter” among disparaging nicknames.

An air combat recounted in Osprey’s new New Vanguard 180, which covers Japans suicide weapons makes for telling reading. What follows is my summation of the engagement, not a direct quote:

On March 21st, 1945, the IJN sortied 18 G4M2 Bettys, 16 of them carrying ‘Ohka’ suicide rocket planes and the other two carrying conventional bombs, escorted by 30 A6M5 Zeros. The target was the US fast carrier task force (Task Force 58) off Kyushu. 60 miles from the flattops the air strike was intercepted by two USN squadrons with 12 fighters each, one of F6F5 Hellcats and the other of F4U-4 Corsairs. The USN fighters shot down all 18 Bettys and 15 Zeros for no losses of their own.

415 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:09:59am

re: #413 Charles Johnson

Probably, but I couldn’t read more than a few comments there. Good grief, what a fucking sewer that place is.

Yes. Weasel Zippers is the dregs.

416 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:10:43am

BBL

417 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:13:31am

re: #407 Charles Johnson

“Little Green Footballs” Mocks Gateway Pundit’s Loss of Insurance Because of Obamacare | Weasel Zippers

The first two comments:

I remember that page. A lot of it was people saying that despite their disgust with Mr. Hoft’s tendency to outright lie to attack Obama and ACA that we still felt bad for him having a heart condition. Fuckers are always the victim in their imaginary world where mean old liberals pick on poor widdle conservatives.

418 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:13:44am

Let’s not forget Gateway Pundit mercilessly mocked those who stand to GAIN insurance from Obamacare.

Let’s also not forget this whole episode is probably a shameless PR stunt by Hoft.

419 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:13:57am

Anyone else experiencing LGF load time issues?

420 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:14:57am

re: #408 Gus

The FBI isn’t going out of its way to coach crazy people on the internet who want to kill their wife like they’re doing with “terrorists” and then doing the press-conference photo-op thing. It’s all a show. In fact it’s been reported already that they’re barely nabbing any real terrorists in the USA. Apparently they’re so good they let the Boston Marathon bombers slip away. They also had no clue about the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber. Fort Hood shooter who allegedly had communication Al-Awaki.

Most of the real ones are only caught at the last minute. This is a small number of people who are likely caught by ordinary civilians. Instead it’s just another nut they find on the internet who they hook up with a slick FBI undercover agent that HELPS said “terrorist.” It’s mostly intent and behavior that they’re catching. They’re not nabbing and significant conspiracies nor any real connection to foreign terrorist organizations. The connections are typically some nut that “wants to talk with Al Qaeda.”

I think the example of the Ft. Hood shooter is exactly why the FBI runs these stings. Unless these people are arrested some of them will actually carry out their plans. Not all of them, like the underwear bomber, have an online profile which makes them easy to identify. It would be irresponsible not to arrest these people, they’re dangerous. If we just arrest them for aspiration internet postings the sentences would be very light and they’d be free to carry out a new plot in a few months. these stings are designed to see how serious they are and if they’re willing to go through with it. Many of them are clearly willing to go all the way and push a button they think will detonate a bomb.

421 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:15:09am

re: #418 Eclectic Cyborg

Let’s not forget Gateway Pundit mercilessly mocked those who stand to GAIN insurance from Obamacare.

Let’s also not forget this whole episode is probably a shameless PR stunt by Hoft.

Seriously, I don’t want to hear lectures about decency from Gateway Pundit when he’s shown a less than charitable attitude to those less well off. But I digress, conservatives are allowed to call the President every name in the book but we’re not allowed to point out when they act like shitty human beings.

422 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:15:42am

re: #48 FemNaziBitch

What a great article. That is the first I have ever heard of that “rebellion”.

423 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:16:18am

Gotta love the South.

Our small community Christmas Parade just went by the house. This years edition featured not one but TWO confederate flags.

Woo hoo.

/

424 HappyWarrior  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:16:50am

re: #423 Eclectic Cyborg

Gotta love the South.

Our small community Christmas Parade just went by the house. This years edition featured not one but TWO confederate flags.

Woo hoo.

/

Nothing says Merry Christmas like a flag of a nation formed to preserve slavery.

425 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:16:51am

re: #420 Killgore Trout

I think the example of the Ft. Hood shooter is exactly why the FBI runs these stings. Unless these people are arrested some of them will actually carry out their plans. Not all of them, like the underwear bomber, have an online profile which makes them easy to identify. It would be irresponsible not to arrest these people, they’re dangerous. If we just arrest them for aspiration internet postings the sentences would be very light and they’d be free to carry out a new plot in a few months. these stings are designed to see how serious they are and if they’re willing to go through with it. Many of them are clearly willing to go all the way and push a button they think will detonate a bomb.

Look I’m willing to meet you half way. Sure, these arrests are good but it’s 50 percent show. They can keep doing this for the next 1000 years if they wanted to. It’s mostly behavior and intent. On a scale of one clap I’d give them half a clap.

426 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:17:01am

re: #408 Gus

The FBI isn’t going out of its way to coach crazy people on the internet who want to kill their wife like they’re doing with “terrorists” and then doing the press-conference photo-op thing. It’s all a show. In fact it’s been reported already that they’re barely nabbing any real terrorists in the USA. Apparently they’re so good they let the Boston Marathon bombers slip away. They also had no clue about the shoe bomber or the underwear bomber. Fort Hood shooter who allegedly had communication Al-Awaki.

Most of the real ones are only caught at the last minute. This is a small number of people who are likely caught by ordinary civilians. Instead it’s just another nut they find on the internet who they hook up with a slick FBI undercover agent that HELPS said “terrorist.” It’s mostly intent and behavior that they’re catching. They’re not nabbing and significant conspiracies nor any real connection to foreign terrorist organizations. The connections are typically some nut that “wants to talk with Al Qaeda.”

I agree. On balance I think it’s probably good that they’re doing this, because even though the people they’re catching are idiots, you don’t have to be smart to commit mass murder. But you’re right — calling these stings “terrorist plots” is a joke.

427 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:20:34am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone else experiencing LGF load time issues?

I’m running windows 8.1 which is terrible at managing Java. Lots of crashes involving autoplay videos and popups. It’s also very susceptible to spyware ads and unremovable programs. Kinda stinks.

428 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:21:34am

Agent: Sir, we can’t find any terrorists in the USA plotting something who are also in communication with Al Qaeda in Yemen.

Supervisor: Then MAKE ONE!

Agent: Yes sir.

429 wrenchwench  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:21:53am
430 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:22:11am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone else experiencing LGF load time issues?

Not from this end. It’s probably a local issue with your ISP.

431 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:22:55am

re: #430 Charles Johnson

Not from this end. It’s probably a local issue with your ISP.

Either that or it’s PRISM. //

432 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:24:23am

re: #425 Gus

Look I’m willing to meet you half way. Sure, these arrests are good but it’s 50 percent show. They can keep doing this for the next 1000 years if they wanted to. It’s mostly behavior and intent. On a scale of one clap I’d give them half a clap.

I’ll give them a bit more credit than that. Thinking back about the 9-11 plot, if it had been disrupted I would think, “what a bunch of BS. It never would have worked” and I would have been wrong. We’ve been lucky that the underwear bomber only managed to burn off his genitals and Richard Reid’s feet were too sweaty to detonate his shoes. These stings will continue, I think that’s a good thing.

433 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:25:18am

re: #408 Gus

This helps make the case that while certain programs like PRISM might be very useful for overseas, it’s a misappropriation of resources and political capitol to run it here as a domestic tool for watching US residents and citizens. Now that we have Homeland security drastically upgraded CIA, NSA and technology, we really can afford to have the long delayed sunset.

How many extraordinary anti terror measures have we seen now that later we find out they were not much help if any? Yesterdays military industrial complex and it’s career making is todays military intelligence behemoth.

434 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:26:59am

435 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:28:17am

re: #434 Charles Johnson

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Geez, that nose is like a snorkel!

436 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:28:46am

re: #432 Killgore Trout

I’ll give them a bit more credit than that. Thinking back about the 9-11 plot, if it had been disrupted I would think, “what a bunch of BS. It never would have worked” and I would have been wrong. We’ve been lucky that the underwear bomber only managed to burn off his genitals and Richard Reid’s feet were too sweaty to detonate his shoes. These stings will continue, I think that’s a good thing.

Yeah but the 9-11 hijackers and cell were bonafied terrorists and not a group of nuts they found on the internet and subsequently befriended and coached to commit an alleged act.

437 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:30:00am

Anyway, that’s mah opinion and I’m sticking to it.

438 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:31:56am

Charles Johnson and LGF derangement always experience an uptick during holiday season. Probably due to holiday depression, family problems, substance abuse, lack of sleep, etc. They should probably go to a doctor or psychologist if this experience lasts more than 24 hours.

439 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:34:20am

re: #436 Gus

Yeah but the 9-11 hijackers and cell were bonafied terrorists and not a group of nuts they found on the internet and subsequently befriended and coached to commit an alleged act.

The Hamburg cell started off as just a bunch of college students with bright futures. They evolved over time.

440 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:34:28am

Breaking….

Peter O’Toole Dead at 81

I had recently seen the 8k remaster of Lawrence Of Arabia. Stunning look and a wonderful reminder of the skills of it’s stars. A true epic feature film.

abcnews.go.com

A reformed — but unrepentant — hell-raiser, O’Toole long suffered from ill health. Always thin, he had grown wraithlike in later years, his famously handsome face eroded by years of hard drinking.

But nothing diminished his flamboyant manner and candor.

“If you can’t do something willingly and joyfully, then don’t do it,” he once said. “If you give up drinking, don’t go moaning about it; go back on the bottle. Do. As. Thou. Wilt.”

O’Toole began his acting career as one of the most exciting young talents on the British stage. His 1955 “Hamlet,” at the Bristol Old Vic, was critically acclaimed.

441 sagehen  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:34:41am

re: #425 Gus

Look I’m willing to meet you half way. Sure, these arrests are good but it’s 50 percent show. They can keep doing this for the next 1000 years if they wanted to. It’s mostly behavior and intent. On a scale of one clap I’d give them half a clap.

But they get a lot of press, and make anybody who for real wants to do something distrust anybody who offers to help supply training or material…

442 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:36:05am

re: #439 Killgore Trout

The Hamburg cell started off as just a bunch of college students with bright futures. They evolved over time.

Well, in that case we better start expanding GITMO and building new prisons because that supply is endless. If we’re going to jump every time we see intent at such an early stage we’re in for a rough time.

443 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:37:27am

re: #423 Eclectic Cyborg

Gotta love the South.

Our small community Christmas Parade just went by the house. This years edition featured not one but TWO confederate flags.

Woo hoo.

/

Perhaps they view Santa as the benevolent plantation owner and the elfs as his chattel property, merrily slaving away working hard to produce toys for all the good boys and girls. The North Pole must be a free soverign state, because you never hear about Santa getting busted on workplace violations.

I’ve oft wondered how Santa turns a profit, I’ve decided that he’s probably checking each house for incriminating info or objects and either blackmailing the owners or possibly doing wholescale data collection for some gov. agency.

RBS
Who has been smelling too much glue today

444 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:41:20am
445 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:43:15am

re: #442 Gus

Well, in that case we better start expanding GITMO and building new prisons because that supply is endless. If we’re going to jump every time we see intent at such an early stage we’re in for a rough time.

I don’t think the supply is endless, it’s actually very very small. I think these stings are a very effective deterrent. It’s a well publicized fact that if you buy explosives from someone you met on the internet there’s a pretty good chance it’s an FBI agent.

446 Stanley Sea  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:43:17am

LAWREEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE!

RIP Mr. O’Toole.

447 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:43:29am

Also, if they do this with terrorists why not spree killers. The VT shooter killed 33 people which is high even for a terrorist attack. Also, if people say spree killers really needed psychological help why don’t people apply the same standard with potential terrorists. Did this guy in Wichita need mental health access? Did the Fort Hood shooter need psychological intervention. Why are there two standards in these cases?

*I say with tongue somewhat firmly in cheek.

448 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:44:05am

re: #445 Killgore Trout

I don’t think the supply is endless, it’s actually very very small. I think these stings are a very effective deterrent. It’s a well publicized fact that if you buy explosives from someone you met on the internet there’s a pretty good chance it’s an FBI agent.

So buying 6,000 rounds of ammo would be…

449 Tim TeaBro  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:44:15am

re: #442 Gus

Well, in that case we better start expanding GITMO and building new prisons because that supply is endless. If we’re going to jump every time we see intent at such an early stage we’re in for a rough time.

Worrying about blowback is for pussies. Fry them early and often, let god sort them out, etc, ad nauseum…

450 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:44:24am

[I’ve introduced a straw man.] :D

451 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:45:38am

re: #449 Tim TeaBro

Worrying about blowback is for pussies. Fry them early and often, let god sort them out, etc, ad nauseum

Indeed.

BREAKING: FBI nabs Omaha man intent on buying the USS Enterprise. Press conference at 11.

//

452 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:47:40am

re: #451 Gus

Indeed.

BREAKING: FBI nabs Omaha man intent on buying the USS Enterprise. Press conference at 11.

//

WTF
I’m not from Omaha….

453 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:48:10am

re: #447 Gus

Also, if they do this with terrorists why not spree killers. The VT shooter killed 33 people which is high even for a terrorist attack. Also, if people say spree killers really needed psychological help why don’t people apply the same standard with potential terrorists. Did this guy in Wichita need mental health access? Did the Fort Hood shooter need psychological intervention. Why are there two standards in these cases?

*I say with tongue somewhat firmly in cheek.

I think it’s because the spree shooters act too quickly and already have the means to carry out their plan. If someone posts on the internet about shooting up their school they are arrested immediately because all they have to do is load their own gun and drive a mile or two. A long drawn out sting is unnecessary.

454 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:50:25am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I think it’s because the spree shooters act too quickly and already have the means to carry out their plan. If someone posts on the internet about shooting up their school they are arrested immediately because all they have to do is load their own gun and drive a mile or two. A long drawn out sting is unnecessary.

Yeah but they don’t have to be people who are intent on a spree killing the next day. Just find someone on the internet who sounds like he might commit a spree killing and attach an FBI agent on him and create a case. Just like they did in Wichita.

455 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:51:12am

MAN ARRESTED IN TAMPA WITH 20KT NUCLEAR BOMB WHICH REALLY WASN’T A 20KT NUCLEAR BOMB. WORLD IS SAFE.

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456 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:54:44am
457 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:55:35am

re: #448 Gus

So buying 6,000 rounds of ammo would be…

I don’t know what the rules are for ammo purchases or how much ammo a regular gun owner would buy. I’m just not a gun person.

458 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:57:17am

re: #454 Gus

Yeah but they don’t have to be people who are intent on a spree killing the next day. Just find someone on the internet who sounds like he might commit a spree killing and attach an FBI agent on him and create a case. Just like they did in Wichita.

I have little doubt that if someone made an internet posting saying “i’m thinking about shooting up my school. Anyone have a gun and ammo for sale” that an FBI agent posing as a gun dealer would contact them pretty quickly.

459 Gus  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:58:12am

Anyway, I think it’s weird… Going upstairs.

460 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 11:59:44am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I think it’s because the spree shooters act too quickly and already have the means to carry out their plan. If someone posts on the internet about shooting up their school they are arrested immediately because all they have to do is load their own gun and drive a mile or two. A long drawn out sting is unnecessary.

BTW, the necessity of immediate arrest means the potential shooter will probably get a lighter sentence because it would be hard to prove how serious they were. That’s why these sting operations are so effective, because the suspect actually gets to go all the way through with their plan and push the button.

461 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:20:52pm

re: #426 Charles Johnson

I agree. On balance I think it’s probably good that they’re doing this, because even though the people they’re catching are idiots, you don’t have to be smart to commit mass murder. But you’re right — calling these stings “terrorist plots” is a joke.

But it does put a chill into a lot of technically impaired wannabees, making them reluctant to go seeking competent like-thinkers.

462 GeneJockey  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 12:55:59pm

re: #448 Gus

So buying 6,000 rounds of ammo would be…

Expensive. But, much more expensive to buy a 50-round box at a time, than to buy in bulk.

It’s pretty easy to burn through a 50-round box at the range, if you’re shooting a handgun. For example, I have a 7-shot revolver*, so a 50 round box is just reloading 7 times. Since any kind of shooting is really a muscle memory and concentration thing, the more practice you have, the better. So, let’s suppose you go to the range every other week, and shoot a box every time. In less than a year, you’ll have used up 1000 rounds.

Now, let’s say you’re an enthusiast who has a number of guns, using different ammunition. You wouldn’t have to be a full-blown survivalist nutcase to have such a supply in each type.

I have 3 road bikes, all set up for me to ride. I don’t NEED more than one, but each has its own appeal. I have over 100 watches, but I’ll wear/carry AT MOST one pocket and one wristie at a time, and even then I’ll feel like Gomez Addams.

I guess my point is, I wouldn’t let the number of rounds owned determine whether I think the guy is nuts. I’d let him talk. That’ll tell you.

*”Now I know what you’re thinking, ‘Did he fire 6 shots, or only 5?’ Well, to to tell you the truth, in all the excitement, I kinda lost track myself. But seeing as this is a 7 shot revolver, you’re screwed either way.” - Dirty Harry Callahan, never.

463 William of Orange  Sun, Dec 15, 2013 3:53:33pm

Another one!

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