The Most Insane Holocaust/Nazi Analogies and References of the Year

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2013 saw quite a few politicians and prominent people abusing the English language, and specifically using the absurd argument that events and actions in the present are just like what Hitler and the Nazis did during the Holocaust. It’s Reductio ad Hitlerum and in the process it debases the terminology referring to the Holocaust and the Final Solution. These people have little understanding of history, let alone current events, and they conflate the two to suit their political objectives. Facts fall by the wayside. And the horror of the Holocaust is eroded in the process of making these absurd claims.

Just so we’re working from the same dictionary, here are some actual facts about the Nazis.

Despite the singular nature of the Nazi regime and the Holocaust, there are a whole lot of people who think that making analogies to the Holocaust is acceptable.

I’ve boiled the analogies down to four general themes - based mainly on the focus of the analogy.

The first deals with health care reform, otherwise known as Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act.

One particular instance in January could be treated as the most insane Holocaust analogy of the year, except that we were just getting warmed up.

According to Sen. Sheryl Nuxoll (R), Idaho should refuse to set up a state-run health exchange under Obamacare because, although the federal government is using private insurers for the time being, the Obama administration will eventually “pull the trigger” on those companies to establish a socialistic health care system.
Nuxoll posted her comments on Twitter, as well as included them in an email blast to 120 supporters:

The insurance companies are creating their own tombs. Much like the Jews boarding the trains to concentration camps, private insurers are used by the feds to put the system in place because the federal government has no way to set up the exchange. Based on legislation and the general process that is written toward this legislation, the federal government will want nothing to do with private insurance companies. The feds will have a national system of health insurance and they will eliminate the insurance companies.

When the Idaho Spokesman-Review asked Nuxoll to clarify her comments, she doubled down on them. Nuxoll said she didn’t mean to disrespect any group of people with her analogy, and explained she said it because “I felt badly for the Jews — it wasn’t just Jews, but Jews, and Christians, and Catholics, and priests. My thing was they didn’t know what was going on. The insurance companies are not realizing what’s going to end up in their demise.”

This Idaho Republican somehow thinks that a US law that is designed to expand access to health insurance is “much like” the systematic annihilation of the Jewish people in the gas chambers and putting them on cattle cars.

And from today, we have this gem from North Carolina State Senator Bob Rucho, a Republican:

The health care reform in the US has generated quite a few Nazi/Holocaust references over the past few years, but few things stir the Nazi references more than gun control or any kinds of firearms reforms. That’s the second theme.

This too was from January, in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre.

One of the common forms of this nonsensical analogy is when people and organizations Tweet that if only Jews had guns they would not have had to endure the Holocaust.

Lest we forget, the NRA’s own Wayne LaPierre spreads this nonsense as well.

This would, of course, ignore facts, history, and logic. The analogy fails primarily because of the fallacy that gun control was somehow central to the rise of the Nazi party and that the lack of firearms prevented opponents from overthrowing the Nazi regime.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.

The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

Just as important is the fact of the nationality of the victims of the Holocaust.
All but about 130,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis lived outside Germany. Nearly 4.5 million lived in Poland and Russia - both of which had standing armies that failed to stop the Nazi invasions of both countries. The rest lived in countries that also fell to the Nazis, including much of France, the low Countries, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Greece, Romania, or were allied with the Nazis, including Italy.

The Polish army disintegrated against the Nazis in under a month; the entire country was overrun in weeks, with the Soviets invading as well. Nearly half of all Holocaust victms lived in Poland, which had a standing army and air force protecting it.

The French army had superior equipment as compared to the Nazis, but they lost to superior tactics in under two months time. The British and Allied army remnants were thrown off the Continent at Dunkirk.

The Nazis then invaded Russia, capturing enough territory to encompass millions of Jews living there - in total, nearly 5 of the 6 million Holocaust victims were living in Russia and Poland - not in Nazi Germany.

Russia had a huge standing army, complete with tanks, planes, and division upon division of infantry.

The Soviets had a larger military than the invading Nazis by all metrics, but the Nazis had the advantage of surprise and superior tactics at the outset. The Soviet response was to trade land for time to regroup and attack.

Despite the larger numerical size of the Soviet military, it was nearly defeated and sieges were laid upon the biggest cities in the USSR - Stalingrad, Leningrad, and came within shooting distance of Moscow.

The Nazis invaded countries with large Jewish populations and with standing armies that were shattered by the Nazi invasion. No amount of individual gun ownership would have saved anyone under those circumstances. Firearms ownership is quite besides the point when an enemy country invades your country with more firepower than your own government can repel.

Also, this analogy purposefully ignores that even major Jewish uprisings like in Warsaw were eventually snuffed out and even the Warsaw ghetto was liquidated with its survivors sent to the death camps.

But more substantively, this analogy fails the smell test the moment you realize that the Nazis defeated entire armies with superior firepower, that a few German Jews (who were a minority of all Nazi victims) with guns would stand no chance.

The third insane Nazi analogy of the year deals with political procedures.

This past November, US Senator Harry Reid amended the rules regarding filibusters and Senate rules for what would allow votes on nominations to move forward. It was a procedural act to address the stalemate in the Senate and the failure to confirm presidential nominees to various postings. And yet, the rhetoric from the right included all kinds of Nazi references, with this one being just a representative sample:

The Obama NAZIS have made a power grab, and the people of the United States of America have less power today than they had yesterday. Barack Obama’s celebrating his power grab by laughing in the media right in your faces, Americans may be too dumb stupid to even know that’s what’s just happened. What’s been ripped apart is the meaning and glory of an America that once stood for something. Now the US stands for nothing. The people are made losers by their servants. An American sellout from an American President and American Senate.

That’s right, the ability to limit debate so as to bring about a vote that enables those opposed to the nomination to still vote against that person is akin to a Nazi power grab. Note too that as soon as the rule was changed, votes proceeded and the formerly obstructed nominations proceeded without incident, including several on a wide bipartisan basis indicating that the purpose of the filibuster was to obstruct at all costs on the politics and not on the qualifications of those involved (the confirmation process is about advise and consent - not to block and thwart nominees on political basis alone).

A fourth kind of Nazi analogy is the slow fall into Nazism, as identified by Glenn Beck and his followers. Beck has no problems showing off his significant collection of Nazi memorabilia in Salt Lake City this past June. Beck has a warped sense of history and thinks nothing of trying to compare current events to the rise of the Nazi regime. He has no problem juxtaposing those Nazi artifacts with contemporary events/descriptions is an attempt to convince viewers that there are parallels and that we should oppose the Obama Administration at every opportunity because of the slippery slope to Nazism.

Honorable Mentions go to the following:

A person can lose count of the references uttered on Twitter and blogs and comment sections across the Internet, so I kept the references to political leaders, media figures, and other notable figures. If I were to extend this to every utterance, it would be a full time job. For just one day in January 2013, you could have this selection as among the more notable Hitler references.

Cross posted at A Blog For All

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516 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:09:47pm

Terrific post, LH.

2 Gus  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:15:03pm

3 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:16:08pm

Thank you, Lawhawk, for wading through that lake of filth so I didn’t have to:

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4 Gus  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:19:28pm
5 S'latch  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:26:00pm

Is it okay that I’m laughing. I feel like I shouldn’t be, but … then the swords … and Obamacare.

6 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:49:19pm

Know what makes the gun control = Hitler analogy even more ridiculous? Israel has super strict gun regulations. You have to request permission from the government and give a reason why you need a gun. Even then, most applicants are turned down. And even if you get a license, you are limited to one gun and fifty bullets.

7 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:53:15pm

in another universe this kind of ‘thinking’ would fall under the study of psychotic ideation

8 Lidane  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:56:38pm

My general response to all these idiots:

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9 PeterWolf  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 9:59:21pm

Great post.

10 Lidane  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:00:19pm

This works as an alternate response:

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11 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:02:17pm

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Know what makes the gun control = Hitler analogy even more ridiculous? Israel has super strict gun regulations. You have to request permission from the government and give a reason why you need a gun. Even then, most applicants are turned down. And even if you get a license, you are limited to one gun and fifty bullets.

I’ve checked the laws, and the application process for a gun license is so strict that if a Democrat tried to propose such a system here he’d be tarred and feathered by close of business. In a lot of ways, the application process there is like getting a top secret or above clearance here in the US. It even includes a psychiatric evaluation, something I know the gun rights crowd would never go for. And it’s actually harder to get a gun if you don’t live in or near one of the disputed territories. If you do get a license, then you’re allowed exactly one gun, which is registered and linked to the license so that if you’re in possession of any gun doesn’t match that license you’re in deep shit. And the only people who can own rifles are active military, who again are limited to one rifle which is connected to the license. But even then you only keep that until you retire, at which time they take back the license and you have to get rid of the rifle.

Hell, even Sweden, another nation they like to reference because they like the idea that the government issues every able man a rifle, has stricter gun laws than here. For example, imagine if a Democrat proposed a gun control law stating that in order to obtain a firearms license, you had to actually give a reason why you’re seeking one. Or that a history of domestic violence in your family, even if you weren’t one of the parties, can have your application denied or an issued license revoked. Or that if you’re caught with a gun in your car for any reason other than traveling to or from a hunting area or a gun range can get you in trouble. Any of those scenarios would get the proposer immediately smacked with the “Hitler” label, yet these are the laws in the countries that the gun rights crowd love to invoke whenever they want to talk about how America needs to “learn from their example.”

12 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:03:41pm

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Know what makes the gun control = Hitler analogy even more ridiculous? Israel has super strict gun regulations. You have to request permission from the government and give a reason why you need a gun. Even then, most applicants are turned down. And even if you get a license, you are limited to one gun and fifty bullets.

The entire point of the exercise is that actual Jews’ experience with actual Nazis is unimportant compared to their self-identification as “oppressed like the Jews.” If you gauge their knowledge and understanding of Israel, you’re going to find an equal level of ignorance and projection,

Frankly, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that these “devout” (literalist, reactionary, white) Christians keep (1) identifying themselves as symbolic Jews, while (2) claiming an authority to interpret Jewish experience and the authenticity of Jewish experience, even as they ignore or demonize individual Jews that don’t match their preconceptions.

13 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:20:23pm

lawhawk

Great Job! Very well researched!

14 Gus  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:23:51pm

Good page Lawhawk.

…Good night all.

15 Lidane  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:26:42pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

I’ve checked the laws, and the application process for a gun license is so strict that if a Democrat tried to propose such a system here he’d be tarred and feathered by close of business lunch.

FTFY

An actual set of gun laws like Israel’s would have the nutters bringing the torches and pitchforks out in a matter of minutes. Using Holocaust imagery is only useful for the nutters to make themselves an oppressed group. That’s it.

16 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:33:43pm

Ecuador’s President Rafael Correa said that American exceptionalism is reminiscent of Nazism “before and during World War II.

“Does not this remind you of the Nazis’ rhetoric before and during World War II? They considered themselves the chosen race, the superior race, etc. Such words and ideas pose extreme danger,” Correa told RT Spanish.

i want to address this one since, personally, i think much of the ‘american exceptionalism’ rhetoric is silly jingoism

it isn’t that i’m not proud of america - far from it - and it’s unique contribution to the establishment of democracy throughout the world, among other things. it’s merely that i wish our pride in our country would be framed in less vainglorious and, also, religiously-toned forms

let’s say, perhaps, that america has forged a unique place in history, rather than implying that god has singled us out to carry out his mission. and, as the most militarily powerful nation in the world by far at this moment, let us please be sure to stay far away from anything that might imply that we have a right to impose our will on other countries.

and also let us keep in mind that one of the most powerful virtues of the united states has always been its willingness to admit it when we have made mistakes

but it’s not right to compare a little overblown jingoism to nazi rhetoric

mainly, what we trumpet is our commitment to openness, innovation, democracy, and, above all, our standing invitation to all good people in the world who want to “work hard and live by the rules” to come to a place where anybody who does so has a right, let me repeat, right to do so, no matter who they are or where they come from

and no person who does that has any less right to be here and be called an american than any other person, no matter when or how they or their forbears came to be here

surely this is the very opposite of nazism

17 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 10:37:10pm

Lawhawk

By the way, this story won’t be complete without some epic face palmage! This level of wingnut stupidity, deserves it!

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18 Kragar  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 11:25:31pm

Meh, just found out my brother got my daughter something we already got her. We’ve still got the receipt so I get to swap it out tomorrow.

19 freetoken  Mon, Dec 16, 2013 11:36:21pm
20 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:11:02am

Christmas, Cajun style with the Basin Brothers:

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21 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:13:23am

Well that was too short. Sticking with a French theme:

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22 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:44am

That was the Ensemble Choral Du Bout Du Monde. The whole CD is available on Amazon. If you’re tired of the same ol’ Baby-Boom style American Christmas tunes then try that CD.

Founded in 1977, the L’Ensemble Choral du Bout du Monde (the “World’s End Choir”) brought together traditional instrumental performers and over a hundred vocalists from over forty native choral groups throughout Brittany, the celebrated Breton province in Northern France.

Accompanied by bagpipes, keyboards, harps, guitars, flutes, claviers, percussion, conremuse, and the Grand Organ of the Landévennec Abbey, the ensemble keeps the native music alive through both traditional and original choral music in their Breton language (the Celtic dialect of Brittany).

Since 1989, composer, musician, and arranger Christian Desbordes has led the ensemble. In 1991, Desbordes composed the music for a theatrical production, La passion Celtique / Ar Basion Vras.

They recorded albums in 1992 and 1994, and in 1997, L’Ensemble Choral du Bout du Monde recorded Noëls Celtiques: Christmas Music from Brittany for Green Linnet, which won AFIM’s “Best Seasonal Music Album” in 1998.

23 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:36:49am

If any Lizards want some late night entertainment, Shia LaBeouf is currently getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild on Twitter over his allegedly plagiarized short film:

Here’s his timeline: twitter.com

And some of the responses:

It’s pretty brutal. He’s going to be apologizing for a while.

24 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:51:37am

And on the other side of the world, a very different celebrity makes a very different decision:

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:12:59am

Hitler gets people’s attention. If that is your objective, then there cannot be enough Hitler in political discourse.

26 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:27:17am

I’m awake!

you?

27 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:33:15am
28 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:57:16am
29 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:09:58am

re: #26 FemNaziBitch

I’m awake!

you?

Unfortunately, yes. My insomnia is raging tonight. I’ve tried closing my eyes and attempting sleep several times and I can’t. I’m physically tired but mentally stressed, so no sleep for me. =/

Today is going to suck.

30 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:20:22am

re: #29 Lidane

Unfortunately, yes. My insomnia is raging tonight. I’ve tried closing my eyes and attempting sleep several times and I can’t. I’m physically tired but mentally stressed, so no sleep for me. =/

Today is going to suck.

I went to bed way early and actually got 8 hours. Strange.

31 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:21:12am

Broke-down and bought the new Beyonce Album.

I am enjoying it.

32 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:22:21am
33 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:24:34am

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

Broke-down and bought the new Beyonce Album.

I am enjoying it.

I bought it too. It’s really really good. I love it.

I’ve always considered myself more of a casual fan of her music. I’d enjoy what i heard on the radio or whatever, but I never went out of my way to buy her albums or see her in concert or anything. This new album blew me away with how good it is.

34 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:28:13am
At Target we focus on offering our guests a wide assortment of physical CDs, and when a new album is available digitally before it is available physically, it impacts demand and sales projections,” Target spokesperson Erica Julkowski told Billboard. “While there are many aspects that contribute to our approach and we have appreciated partnering with Beyonce in the past, we are primarily focused on offering CDs that will be available in a physical format at the same time as all other formats. At this time, Target will not be carrying Beyonce’s new self-titled album ‘Beyonce.’”

???

with xmas coming?

35 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:29:03am

re: #33 Lidane

I bought it too. It’s really really good. I love it.

I’ve always considered myself more of a casual fan of her music. I’d enjoy what i heard on the radio or whatever, but I never went out of my way to buy her albums or see her in concert or anything. This new album blew me away with how good it is.

I’ll have to listen to it a couple times to get the all the lyrics. Right now, I”m just enjoying her voice and the music.

36 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:30:14am
37 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:35:40am

Introducing The Spiny Tailed Lizard:

38 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:43:01am

The shopping decision tree.

1 in 5 Online dollars spent go to Amazon.com

Don’t forget to get there from LGF.

39 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:54:10am
40 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:03:46am

Pope Replaces Conservative U.S. Cardinal on Influential Vatican Committee

Still waiting for the committee to determine if women are human beings.

/yawn

41 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:03:48am

Well, I just unfriended another idiot on Facebook. Sigh. We knew each other as kids, our parents were good friends, I haven’t seen her since high school. First it was a post about how the Horrible Mooching Kenyan is going to his “new base of operations” in Hawaii for Christmas. She put an additional comment up last night about how “uneducated college kids and stupid adults” voted him into office. Then a long rant about how her youngest kid’s school would only allow blue, white and silver decorations at his school’s “holiday party” and they aren’t allowed to use red, green or Santa, or call it Christmas but when she got to school the Jewish kids were allowed their religious symbols. She’s full of shit. This is Atlanta, trust me, this shit would have hit local media by now if it was happening. Um, Ok, buh, bye wingy little wingnut.

42 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:23:19am

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Well, I just unfriended another idiot on Facebook. Sigh. We knew each other as kids, our parents were good friends, I haven’t seen her since high school. First it was a post about how the Horrible Mooching Kenyan is going to his “new base of operations” in Hawaii for Christmas. She put an additional comment up last night about how “uneducated college kids and stupid adults” voted him into office. Then a long rant about how her youngest kid’s school would only allow blue, white and silver decorations at his school’s “holiday party” and they aren’t allowed to use red, green or Santa, or call it Christmas but when she got to school the Jewish kids were allowed their religious symbols. She’s full of shit. This is Atlanta, trust me, this shit would have hit local media by now if it was happening. Um, Ok, buh, bye wingy little wingnut.

Yeah, I heard about it the other day too. “death panels” “ms drugs not being covered.”

etc, etc, etc

43 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:32:49am

re: #42 FemNaziBitch

You know, my sister has MS and she’s never paid a dime for her infusions, scans and other treatments. She’s on disability and the drug companies actually foot the bill for most of it, the government pays for the rest of it. Those drugs are insanely expensive, over 45K a year in her case. The only people who could afford that would be the rich. If an insurance company isn’t covering them, that’s on them, not the ACA. And with all that, my sister is still a flaming wingnut, who is also gaming the system to some degree by hiding additional income and getting my parents to foot the bill for some asinine multilevel marketing scheme she’s involved in that is not going to make her a dime unless she can suck more people into joining. I understand her fears and frustration, her disability checks are not even close to being what she needs to even pay rent and buy food, but she’s one of those “moochers” she constantly bitches about.

44 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:41:14am

It looks like today is going to be a crappy day. Yesterday I noticed that I was running low on wiper fluid so I filled the containers.

Today was kind of a shitty day, I turned on the wipers to spray my windshield AND NOTHING CAME OUT OF THE SQUIRTERS. The wipers just dragged over the dry windshield and smeared the dirt around.

The good news is, somebody in this facility of automotive technical experts should be able to help me.

45 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:42:03am

Wonderful post, Lawhawk.

Another situation that gets me is the one of people calling for “revolution” in the US.

They like to quote the Declaration of Independence as though it’s the Constitution, although the latter only gives us the right to “petition for redress of wrongs”, not to foment revolution, and sets the the country on the course of being a nation of laws. It gives us rights to vote, to elect from our ranks representation at the Federal level, to change laws through those representatives as we see fit. In spite of our flaws as a country, our constitution establishes us as the most politically liberated people in the world, and that is why so many want to emigrate here. And we continually work on other issues of freedom for every single citizen.

The Declaration of Independence (presented on 7/4/1776 was directed to Britain by its colonies (“The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.”) before the fact of the Constitution itself (9/17/1787) which strove to establish a pattern of laws setting up the nascent Federal government and outlining the rights and responsibilities of its citizens.

Declaration of Independence: archives.gov

As someone noted above, The “Confederate States” tried this once when they were outraged at the election of Abraham Lincoln who swore to end slavery, firing their first shot on Ft Sumter, SC on April 12, 1861. It did not turn out well for them, and for a very tiny few, it’s still, “Fergit, hell.” Even amongst those who should know very much better.

So, cut the shit, you racist, misogynistic, homophobic reactionaries. This country is changing from your “ideal superior white male” version of it, and will continue changing in spite of you. If you had any humanity at all, you would stop supporting the creation of the corporate plantations so many in this country are forced to work in, and demand that the upward push of income which robs the ordinary person of a chance at survival be stopped, instead of seeing corporations as having the right to imprison tens of millions of people in economic hell as they continue to increase their profits and reward the wealthy.

But, hey, we know you work for them, not really your own best interests. Dumbasses.

46 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:45:05am

HURR HURR

47 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:46:51am

HURR HURR

48 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:48:48am

re: #43 A Mom Anon

You know, my sister has MS and she’s never paid a dime for her infusions, scans and other treatments. She’s on disability and the drug companies actually foot the bill for most of it, the government pays for the rest of it. Those drugs are insanely expensive, over 45K a year in her case. The only people who could afford that would be the rich. If an insurance company isn’t covering them, that’s on them, not the ACA. And with all that, my sister is still a flaming wingnut, who is also gaming the system to some degree by hiding additional income and getting my parents to foot the bill for some asinine multilevel marketing scheme she’s involved in that is not going to make her a dime unless she can suck more people into joining. I understand her fears and frustration, her disability checks are not even close to being what she needs to even pay rent and buy food, but she’s one of those “moochers” she constantly bitches about.

If she’s on painkillers or anti-depressants (some w/severe MS are), they may be affecting her judgment. But who is looking out after her?

My granddaughter and her husband had to get his 40-something mother, going through a divorce from his father, off a couple of the drugs she was on, anti-depressants, anti-anxiety,pain, etc. (Ambien, for one) because they were turning her into a crazy person. She was doctor shopping, but the electronic records act is stopping a lot of that. She, however, goes back and forth between NC (her son’s) and SC (where her parents live), so she may still be doing it to a lesser extent.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:51:30am

hmmm…wonder what the back story was?

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:52:41am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

hmmm…wonder what the back story was?

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ah ha!

51 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:52:58am
52 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:53:21am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw these! LOL

bored scribes?

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:54:07am
54 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:56:03am

re: #43 A Mom Anon

You know, my sister has MS and she’s never paid a dime for her infusions, scans and other treatments. She’s on disability and the drug companies actually foot the bill for most of it, the government pays for the rest of it. Those drugs are insanely expensive, over 45K a year in her case. The only people who could afford that would be the rich. If an insurance company isn’t covering them, that’s on them, not the ACA. And with all that, my sister is still a flaming wingnut, who is also gaming the system to some degree by hiding additional income and getting my parents to foot the bill for some asinine multilevel marketing scheme she’s involved in that is not going to make her a dime unless she can suck more people into joining. I understand her fears and frustration, her disability checks are not even close to being what she needs to even pay rent and buy food, but she’s one of those “moochers” she constantly bitches about.

hubby too, insurance pays all but co-pay. I’ve yet to see a post on any of the social media sites from the MS society regarding coverage for drugs —either way. With a significant portion of the population diagnosed with MS and the a strong MS lobbying group, I just can’t believe his meds aren’t going to be covered. Just sayin …

55 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:58:15am

re: #48 Justanotherhuman

I have a weird family, to put it mildly. Right now my idiot brother is living with her, supposedly to help her with rent and stuff. He’s not what you’d call reliable. My parents make sure she makes it to doctor appointments and stuff. I am not involved in this process at all because she doesn’t include me in it. I’m not at all sure why that is, but it’s her choice, not mine. AFAIK she’s not on any other medications except the ones to keep the lesions on her brain from growing bigger. My parents should have put the brakes on this idiotic multilevel marketing scheme (a crème made from oleander extract that sells for over 100 dollars a bottle) but they so far have not. Of course my parents were in Amway for 20 plus years so there ya go.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 4:59:04am

re: #47 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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He’s probably dumb enough to think that shepherds would be out in the fields with lambs in December… Moron.

57 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:04:18am

Australia misogynists exist too!
Youtube Video

58 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:04:40am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

I have a weird family, to put it mildly. Right now my idiot brother is living with her, supposedly to help her with rent and stuff. He’s not what you’d call reliable. My parents make sure she makes it to doctor appointments and stuff. I am not involved in this process at all because she doesn’t include me in it. I’m not at all sure why that is, but it’s her choice, not mine. AFAIK she’s not on any other medications except the ones to keep the lesions on her brain from growing bigger. My parents should have put the brakes on this idiotic multilevel marketing scheme (a crème made from oleander extract that sells for over 100 dollars a bottle) but they so far have not. Of course my parents were in Amway for 20 plus years so there ya go.

Everyone has a weird family. IMHO

59 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:06:47am

-20 coming into work today, that’s snuggling weather! Dave and Shane here at work don’t seem to wanna play along though. Made the bottom comments, it’s been while! I’m just not understood.

60 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:07:01am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

ah ha!

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The “hermit” looks suspiciously like a monk.

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:08:01am

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

Everyone has a weird family. IMHO

We’re having a Family Reunion in LA for my mom’s 90th birthday right around New Year’s. One of my sons is a total wingnut. He lives in Canada so his wingnuttyness somewhat mitigated by the SOSHULIST HEALTH CARE that his family enjoys, but all his brothers are going to gang up on him.

62 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:14:08am

re: #44 Lord of the Pies

I use Rain-X, it is orange and doesn’t tend to freeze. It also coats the windshield with their “magic” formula which sheets the water off, and your wipers tend to clatter less.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:15:27am

re: #61 Lord of the Pies

We’re having a Family Reunion in LA for my mom’s 90th birthday right around New Year’s. One of my sons is a total wingnut. He lives in Canada so his wingnuttyness somewhat mitigated by the SOSHULIST HEALTH CARE that his family enjoys, but all his brothers are going to gang up on him.

My Mother-In-Law’s 90th is the 29th. We’re having a big party the night before so that probably means the fruitcake catholic fundamentalists (in spirit if not literally) from Knoxville TN will be there. I should to print out some stuff from Pope Francis to leave at their table I think … ;)

They benefited from socialism too - he was a lawyer for the Tennessee Valley Authority for his whole career.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:15:54am

re: #62 Flounder

I use Rain-X, it is orange and doesn’t tend to freeze. It also coats the windshield with their “magic” formula which sheets the water off, and your wipers tend to clatter less.

I have some rainex at home, I haven’t applied it to this vehicle.

It could be that the pump is busted, or the feeder tubing is frozen. My car sits in the garage at night but it’s out in the parking lot all day.

65 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:17:57am

My mom is an old liberal, pulled the lever for Harry Truman her first election and has voted Democrat ever since.

66 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:17:58am

re: #47 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Watch Daddy shoot up the creche.

67 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:18:52am

re: #64 Lord of the Pies

This orange stuff is the actual warsher fluid. I have the stuff you are talking about, it is a pain to apply. Your lines probably froze. The cheap stuff will freeze easier IMHO. A gallon of orange rain x is about $3.

68 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:19:28am

Old Man Dog sits by the chair and whimpers if he is not receiving ear scratches CONSTANTLY!

I need a third hand.

69 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:21:06am

re: #67 Flounder

This orange stuff is the actual warsher fluid. I have the stuff you are talking about, it is a pain to apply. Your lines probably froze. The cheap stuff will freeze easier IMHO. A gallon of orange rain x is about $3.

I filled the reservoir from a jug of blue stuff. NOT WINDEX. It was “warsher fluid” that I bought at the Sunoco station.

70 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:22:20am

The War on Poor People is everywhere in the English Speaking World, I guess.


The idea that poor people have no moral right to have sex is insane. But, really that is what it’s all about, isn’t it?

71 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:22:55am

re: #69 Lord of the Pies

I filled the reservoir from a jug of blue stuff. NOT WINDEX. It was “warsher fluid” that I bought at the Sunoco station.

Warsh is an Indiana thing, isn’t it?

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:24:31am

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

Warsh is an Indiana thing, isn’t it?

Dunno, I was just echoing Flounder.

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:26:26am

re: #65 Lord of the Pies

My mom is an old liberal, pulled the lever for Harry Truman her first election and has voted Democrat ever since.

My first vote was for JFK and I haven’t looked back. Even voted D during my more “radical” Vietnam days. I always figure that half a loaf is better than none.

And during my lifetime, we’ve got none from Republicans.

74 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:28:21am
75 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:29:46am

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

For me it is a north country thing, like Ames’s , Walmarts and Scween door.

76 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:31:05am

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

The War on Poor People is everywhere in the English Speaking World, I guess.

The idea that poor people have no moral right to have sex is insane. But, really that is what it’s all about, isn’t it?

That’s how my grandson got his girlfriend pregnant. No money for condoms—he said they were broke. Gah, and after I’d preached condom use to him since he was 12. If only he’d let me know, I’d have given him the money.

But now I have this beautiful g-grandson whom I love more than anything in the world.

77 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:32:04am
78 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:33:26am
79 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:33:36am

re: #75 Flounder

For me it is a north country thing, like Ames’s , Walmarts and Scween door.

Do you wear a babin’ suit when you go swimmin’?

80 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:37:43am

re: #75 Flounder

For me it is a north country thing, like Ames’s , Walmarts and Scween door.

Is every kind of soft drink called “Coke”?

‘Would you like a Coke?”, he asks

“Sure!”, you reply.

“What kind?,” He says.

81 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:38:21am

Gate City is public housing.

Crews search for 2 missing in Ala. apartment blast

bigstory.ap.org

Wonder if it was a gas leak…

82 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:39:51am

It’s under $1T!

US CURRENT ACCOUNT DROPS TO $94.8 BILLION IN 3Q

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:40:33am

re: #43 A Mom Anon

You know, my sister has MS and she’s never paid a dime for her infusions, scans and other treatments. She’s on disability and the drug companies actually foot the bill for most of it, the government pays for the rest of it. Those drugs are insanely expensive, over 45K a year in her case. The only people who could afford that would be the rich. If an insurance company isn’t covering them, that’s on them, not the ACA. And with all that, my sister is still a flaming wingnut, who is also gaming the system to some degree by hiding additional income and getting my parents to foot the bill for some asinine multilevel marketing scheme she’s involved in that is not going to make her a dime unless she can suck more people into joining. I understand her fears and frustration, her disability checks are not even close to being what she needs to even pay rent and buy food, but she’s one of those “moochers” she constantly bitches about.

I’m sorry, but that sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me.

84 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:40:33am

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

Ohio too, my grandparents said warsh, or referred to the warshing machine.

85 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:41:14am

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

It’s under $1T!

US CURRENT ACCOUNT DROPS TO $94.8 BILLION IN 3Q

Wrong link.

It tells me, accusingly, “You haven’t posted any LGF Pages yet!” : )

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:41:31am

May I scream NOW?

On Monday a federal judge ruled that an assortment of New York Catholic institutions do not have to comply with the birth control benefit in the Affordable Care Act, holding the accommodation for religiously affiliated nonprofit entities was not enough to protect religious liberties.

also Paged

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:41:50am

They are giving away free breakfast at work this morning.

I took an orange juice and even though it was free I’m all like “Ucch! It’s from concentrate, not Tropicana Premium!”

88 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:42:17am

re: #84 A Mom Anon

Ohio too, my grandparents said warsh, or referred to the warshing machine.

Isn’t that a New England thing, too, like “Cuber” (Cuba)?

89 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:42:32am

re: #85 Justanotherhuman

Wrong link.

It tells me, accusingly, “You haven’t posted any LGF Pages yet!” : )

fix-ed

90 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:43:04am

re: #85 Justanotherhuman

Wrong link.

It tells me, accusingly, “You haven’t posted any LGF Pages yet!” : )

Really, it’s ok, I posted for you.

91 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:44:05am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

I know in the Buffalo NY area soda is referred to as “Pop”

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:44:32am

re: #91 Flounder

I know in the Buffalo NY area soda is referred to as “Pop”

Detroit too.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:45:28am
94 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:45:29am
A college atheist group has set up a Flying Spaghetti Monster display at the Wisconsin State Capitol to make a point about religious expression on public property.

NOT Paged

95 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:45:29am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

My mom is from Brooklyn, and refers to cockroaches as “cock-a-roaches”

96 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:48:46am

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

The War on Poor People is everywhere in the English Speaking World, I guess.

The idea that poor people have no moral right to have sex is insane. But, really that is what it’s all about, isn’t it?


My answer.

97 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:49:00am
98 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:49:36am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon


My answer.

Yes, I saw it and I”m going to refrain from answering you. I’ll, let others, more diplomatic do so.

99 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:50:07am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but it’s legal. A Ponzi scheme is where you keep borrowing or making money from one source to pay another ad infinitum. Multilevel marketing gets you sucked into selling these Superiorly Great Products Like No Other with your own money. You sell them, or don’t but you don’t really see any real payback until you earn bonuses for sucking other people into the program, in this case via “house parties”. This particular company gives away a Lexus once in awhile, supposedly. My parents were in Amway for over 20 yrs, there’s a reason they don’t do it now. This is pretty much the same thing, except the product line is very small compared to Amway. I have friends who are involved in 31 Gifts, another MLM scheme with a “Christian” leaning, but all they sell is handbags, wallets and the like. There are many others, often geared to stay home moms or women in general. I have never met a soul who made money at any of it. These schemes manage to just barely keep above the law, and they offer an exclusive club and group of supposed friends, which disappear if you leave the “business”. Shady as hell but barely on the side of legal.

100 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:50:44am

re: #84 A Mom Anon

Ohio too, my grandparents said warsh, or referred to the warshing machine.

Western Pennsylvania, ditto. My aunt from coal-mining country there said “warsh the clothes.” So did an ex-boss of mine when I lived in Kentucky. Not sure where he got it from, though.

So, anybody from Baaston heah?

101 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:52:20am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

Yeah, but it’s legal. A Ponzi scheme is where you keep borrowing or making money from one source to pay another ad infinitum. Multilevel marketing gets you sucked into selling these Superiorly Great Products Like No Other with your own money. You sell them, or don’t but you don’t really see any real payback until you earn bonuses for sucking other people into the program, in this case via “house parties”. This particular company gives away a Lexus once in awhile, supposedly. My parents were in Amway for over 20 yrs, there’s a reason they don’t do it now. This is pretty much the same thing, except the product line is very small compared to Amway. I have friends who are involved in 31 Gifts, another MLM scheme with a “Christian” leaning, but all they sell is handbags, wallets and the like. There are many others, often geared to stay home moms or women in general. I have never met a soul who made money at any of it. These schemes manage to just barely keep above the law, and they offer an exclusive club and group of supposed friends, which disappear if you leave the “business”. Shady as hell but barely on the side of legal.

So not illegal, just slimy. Got it.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:52:26am
103 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:53:37am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon


My answer.

Oh, please. How many people on this thread have you insulted with that pile of steaming crap?

Start doing some work in birth control education and for women’s rights, and get back to us.

If you have never “made a mistake” I feel sorry for you—only humans make them, you know.

104 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:58:06am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

Interestingly, here in China neither Amway nor Avon products are sold directly by home-based representatives. They’re sold in storefronts, or in little shops within supermarkets, There are apparently laws making MLM schemes illegal here, though some operate clandestinely.

My ex was all gungho about any number of MLMs, but never made a dime off any of them. Quite the contrary. No MLM has ever convinced me it would make me rich, because if everyone were so successful to be all millionaires, people would hear about it. In reality, only the few at the top of the pyramid become wealthy. Everyone else has to struggle.

105 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 5:58:27am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Ahem. What if you have a couple of kids and life is going well and then after several years you get sick or lose that job you thought you’d be in til retirement? THIS is what happens to most people who find themselves unable to afford everything their families need. It is not some big profit making scheme to have kids and be poor. You do understand that you can only collect “welfare” for a grand total of 5 yrs your ENTIRE adult life don’t you? And you have to be working at some minor job to get that.

The myth of the Welfare Queen is such bullshit DF, most people who find themselves in this position aren’t having fun or enjoying living below the poverty level. No one says, “Oh I can’t afford the kids I have, I think I’ll have some more”. This mindset by the way is a PERFECT argument for making abortion safe, legal and rare as well as providing contraception and reproductive education in poor neighborhoods for little or no cost.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:00:18am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon


My answer.

You’re just trolling.

No downding for you!

107 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:01:05am

And with that, I must take the doggie for her morning walkies. BBL.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:01:34am

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

I’m sorry, but that sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me.

All MLM’s are ponzi schemes. Amway, etc. They avoid being busted by blaming the sales people for not working “hard enough” or other such manure.

109 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:02:07am

re: #96 Dark_Falcon


My answer.

That’s a really stupid answer, Dark. It’s ‘abstinence-only’ level of stupid. It’s almost creationist level of stupid.

What you said:

Yeah, I think that people who can’t afford kid’s shouldn’t have them. If that means they have to give up having sex, too damn bad! A person’s moral rights fall by the wayside when other people have to pay for their mistakes.

This isn’t going to happen. People who can’t afford kids aren’t going to stop having sex. That you disapprove of this doesn’t matter in the fucking least, it has no effect on reality. Address the actual problem, otherwise you’re just whining.

Furthermore, the actual economic calculus of how much it costs to have a kid is an ever-changing target, so you’re asking an impossible thing, anyway.

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:02:36am

humans are sexual animals.

humans, poor & rich, are going to have sex.

there is nothing wrong with having consensual sex.

let me repeat:

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH CONSENSUAL SEX.

IT IS NOT A MORAL ISSUE.

111 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:03:04am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi

Interestingly, here in China neither Amway nor Avon products are sold directly by home-based representatives. They’re sold in storefronts, or in little shops within supermarkets, There are apparently laws making MLM schemes illegal here, though some operate clandestinely.

My ex was all gungho about any number of MLMs, but never made a dime off any of them. Quite the contrary. No MLM has ever convinced me it would make me rich, because if everyone were so successful to be all millionaires, people would hear about it. In reality, only the few at the top of the pyramid become wealthy. Everyone else has to struggle.

When I was younger, women at work who were “Avon representatives” would bring their little books in and make sales that way. You were made to feel like an “outsider” if you didn’t participate (like those horrible school fund raisers—they did the same with them, parents selling the stuff their kids were supposed to). The power of “group think”, doncha know. Mostly they were paid in like products. I knew one retiree who had a shitload of Avon products she was made to order to “stay current” which she was never able to sell.

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:04:24am

re: #109 Uncle Obdicut

Largely I was just growling in annoyance. I’ve actually withdrawn the post, because its just not worth my time answering questions about it.

113 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:05:54am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Largely I was just growling in annoyance. I’ve actually withdrawn the post, because its just not worth my time answering questions about it.

It’s what you really think.

Be honest, will you?

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:07:28am

re: #111 Justanotherhuman

When I was younger, women at work who were “Avon representatives” would bring their little books in and make sales that way. You were made to feel like an “outsider” if you didn’t participate (like those horrible school fund raisers—they did the same with them, parents selling the stuff their kids were supposed to). The power of “group think”, doncha know. Mostly they were paid in like products. I knew one retiree who had a shitload of Avon products she was made to order to “stay current” which she was never able to sell.

I once hosted a “Tupperware party” at my house because you got a bunch of free shit for doing that. But I never ordered any Tupperware again because (1) it’s very expensive (2) you can’t buy it except at these “parties”

I think the era of “parties to sell shit” has gone away, I’m not going to a “party” to buy some overpriced plastic containers that I can buy at Target or Meijer, or some cheap, but overpriced cosmetics when I can buy designer brands online.

115 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:09:21am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Largely I was just growling in annoyance. I’ve actually withdrawn the post, because its just not worth my time answering questions about it.

How about you actually think about the subject?

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:10:10am

Your Wingnut Word Salad of the Day:
(I read this 3 times and it does not make any freaking sense)

117 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:12:05am

re: #116 Lord of the Pies

Your Wingnut Word Salad of the Day:
(I read this 3 times and it does not make any freaking sense)

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What do you know, another conservative who doesn’t understand what liberalism actually is and stands for.

118 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:12:42am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Know what makes the gun control = Hitler analogy even more ridiculous? Israel has super strict gun regulations. You have to request permission from the government and give a reason why you need a gun. Even then, most applicants are turned down. And even if you get a license, you are limited to one gun and fifty bullets.

Not only that, Israel has a mandatory insurance program for health care, and is rated as having one of the top 5 health care systems in the world. Doesn’t deter the derp, they just keep on derping.

RBS

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:12:57am

KISS is in but The ‘Mat’s aren’t? Or Yes? Yet another bad joke from the Baby Boomer Hall of Fame.

The hall says its 2014 inductees are:

— Cat Stevens

— Peter Gabriel

— Hall and Oates

— KISS

— Nirvana

— Linda Ronstadt

The hall is also honoring:

— The late Beatles manager Brian Epstein, with a lifetime achievement award.

— Former Rolling Stones manager/producer Andrew Loog Oldham, with a lifetime achievement award.

— Bruce Springsteen’s E Street Band, with a musical excellence award.

Nominees who didn’t make the cut:

— The Paul Butterfield Blues Band

— Chic

— Deep Purple

— LL Cool J

— The Meters

— N.W.A.

— The Replacements

— Link Wray

— YES

— The Zombies

npr.org

120 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:13:25am
121 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:14:23am

re: #115 Uncle Obdicut

How about you actually think about the subject?

What I actually think is that I don’t like having clean up messes made by other people, nor do I like hearing about a “moral right to sex” when i haven’t even been awake an hour, and I’m cross because I don’t have any breakfast food other than cereal and I can’t leave my condo till 11:30 because I have phone interview this morning. Said phone interview is for a job I really want and I’m anxious about it.

In view of all that I decided to spit venom onto the blog.

122 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:14:45am

re: #114 Lord of the Pies

I once hosted a “Tupperware party” at my house because you got a bunch of free shit for doing that. But I never ordered any Tupperware again because (1) it’s very expensive (2) you can’t buy it except at these “parties”

I think the era of “parties to sell shit” has gone away, I’m not going to a “party” to buy some overpriced plastic containers that I can buy at Target or Meijer, or some cheap, but overpriced cosmetics when I can buy designer brands online.

Yeah, I got roped into going to a Mary Kay party once by my neighbor about 10 yrs ago, and I don’t even use cosmetics except lipstick. I sat outside smoking most of the time (since I rode in with her). But this was held in a business setting, not a house. It was sickening; if you had bought everything the (young, pretty and well turned out) woman had said you needed, you would have spent a pile of money. I wasn’t about to contribute to her getting a pink Cadillac for stuff I didn’t want and couldn’t afford (and she was close to the top of the pile).

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:14:59am

re: #119 William Barnett-Lewis

KISS is in but The ‘Mat’s aren’t? Or Yes? Yet another bad joke from the Baby Boomer Hall of Fame.

npr.org

KISS- most overrated band in all of rock imo. I saw Gene Simmons bitching about his critics in a rock documentary and his response was “Well I’m worth over a 100 million dollars.” Yeah too bad your music isn’t that good, Gene. Great businessman, so-so musician.

124 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:15:24am

bbl

125 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:15:47am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“My life, it is without meaning and my existence is void. Perhaps I shall cough up a hairball as an amusement.”
(hey, All Parisian cats are existentialists)

RBS

126 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:15:50am

re: #116 Lord of the Pies

Your Wingnut Word Salad of the Day:
(I read this 3 times and it does not make any freaking sense)

[Embedded content]

It means: I got mine—fuck you.

127 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:16:50am

re: #114 Lord of the Pies

I once hosted a “Tupperware party” at my house because you got a bunch of free shit for doing that. But I never ordered any Tupperware again because (1) it’s very expensive (2) you can’t buy it except at these “parties”

I think the era of “parties to sell shit” has gone away, I’m not going to a “party” to buy some overpriced plastic containers that I can buy at Target or Meijer, or some cheap, but overpriced cosmetics when I can buy designer brands online.

Tupperware was one of my ex’s forays into home-based businesses. It was great stuff (I guess) back in the 1950s, but now it’s ho-hum, I can get me a Rubbermaid or Ziploc container for far less money that will do exactly the same thing.

128 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:18:36am

Not satisfied with getting to be in the country hosting the Olympics, Edward Snowden is shooting for a chance to see the World Cup.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:19:40am

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I got roped into going to a Mary Kay party once by my neighbor about 10 yrs ago, and I don’t even use cosmetics except lipstick. I sat outside smoking most of the time (since I rode in with her). But this was held in a business setting, not a house. It was sickening; if you had bought everything the (young, pretty and well turned out) woman had said you needed, you would have spent a pile of money. I wasn’t about to contribute to her getting a pink Cadillac for stuff I didn’t want and couldn’t afford (and she was close to the top of the pile).

I was working at GM when they had “Mary Kay Day” at the Hamtramck assembly plant. They had to devote the entire assembly line to the customized batches of pink and mauve paint that fucked up an otherwise perfectly good Cadillac.

I said “What if you don’t like pink and you just want a normal color?”

In that case you had to bring the vehicle back in for a paint job.

I said “Why not just get a car off the dealership lot?”

Because Mary Kay HAS THESE CADILLACS ESPECIALLY MADE JUST FOR THEM. It’s advertising, you see.

130 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:20:20am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

What I actually think is that I don’t like having clean up messes made by other people, nor do I like hearing about a “moral right to sex” when i haven’t even been awake an hour, and I’m cross because I don’t have any breakfast food other than cereal and I can’t leave my condo till 11:30 because I have phone interview this morning. Said phone interview is for a job I really want and I’m anxious about it.

In view of all that I decided to spit venom onto the blog.

So get back to us when you grow up, mmkay? Grownups don’t take out their frustrations over only having cereal for breakfast on other people. You should have planned ahead.

But good luck with the job interview anyway.

131 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:21:15am
132 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:23:45am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

nor do I like hearing about a “moral right to sex” when i haven’t even been awake an hour,

This is when most healthy people just masturbate and release that tension.

133 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:24:36am

re: #129 Lord of the Pies

I was working at GM when they had “Mary Kay Day” at the Hamtramck assembly plant. They had to devote the entire assembly line to the customized batches of pink and mauve paint that fucked up an otherwise perfectly good Cadillac.

I said “What if you don’t like pink and you just want a normal color?”

In that case you had to bring the vehicle back in for a paint job.

I said “Why not just get a car off the dealership lot?”

Because Mary Kay HAS THESE CADILLACS ESPECIALLY MADE JUST FOR THEM. It’s advertising, you see.

I gotta figure that the resale value on those models has to be way under book. Figure that there aren’t many guys that are going to make that their first color choice, and I can’t believe that women find it that attractive a color either for the most part.

RBS

134 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:25:20am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cats on a Hot Tin Roof. In Paris. Nice!

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:26:20am

re: #133 RealityBasedSteve

I gotta figure that the resale value on those models has to be way under book. Figure that there aren’t many guys that are going to make that their first color choice, and I can’t believe that women find it that attractive a color either for the most part.

RBS

They thought that the female workers would get a kick out of watching the Mary Kay Cars roll down the line.

It was gross, pathetic and sad. Not to mention utterly sexist.

136 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:26:29am

Wait until Killermann finds out the bids are a hoax. Hopefully he doesn’t take it out on his GF…..or an unarmed black teenager walking home from 7-11.

137 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:26:57am

re: #125 RealityBasedSteve

“My life, it is without meaning and my existence is void. Perhaps I shall cough up a hairball as an amusement.”
(hey, All Parisian cats are existentialists)

RBS

[Parisian cat sights Parisian rat]

“Ah, meaning!” [pounces]

/Derived from a Peanuts comic strip that I can’t find at the moment.

138 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:27:07am

Oooops. Forgot to tell my little girl that Jesus is white. My bad.

139 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:28:25am

re: #134 lawhawk

Cats on a Hot Tin Roof. In Paris. Nice!

It’s a night photo, so I assure you the roof metal was quite cool.

/deadpan

140 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:28:52am

re: #138 geoffm33

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Oooops. Forgot to tell my little girl that Jesus is white. My bad.

She’s knows her genetics better than Megyn Kelly, for sure.

141 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:29:28am

re: #138 geoffm33

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Oooops. Forgot to tell my little girl that Jesus is white. My bad.

That color is much closer to the historical truth, actually.

142 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:30:05am
143 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:30:31am

re: #138 geoffm33

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Oooops. Forgot to tell my little girl that Jesus is white. My bad.

And the sheep is black……WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:30:49am

re: #142 darthstar

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Greenwald calling someone else reckless and false……………Okay.

145 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:31:08am

re: #143 Dr. Matt

And the sheep is black……WAR ON CHRISTMAS!

Sorry kids but the sheep were white, that’s a fact.//

146 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:31:51am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Sorry kids but the sheep were white, that’s a fact.//

At least the sheep were verifiable figures.

147 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:32:08am

HURR HURR

148 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:32:15am

re: #146 geoffm33

At least the sheep were verifiable figures.

And tasty.

149 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:32:56am

re: #148 darthstar

And tasty.

Would upvote twice if I could. A+

150 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:33:10am

re: #147 Lord of the Pies

Obamaphone Alert!

151 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:33:51am

re: #147 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Give a CEO a bonus 100 times the median income and that’s conservatism. Two can play this childish game.

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:34:25am

re: #150 geoffm33

Obamaphone Alert!

HURR HURR WELFARE PAYS MOAR THEN HAVIN A JRRB!!!!!

The Liberal thinks: Raise the minimum wage!
The Wingnut thinks: Abolish welfare!

153 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:35:18am

While others read CNN differently:


154 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:35:45am

re: #147 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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155 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:36:06am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

What I actually think is that I don’t like having clean up messes made by other people, nor do I like hearing about a “moral right to sex” when i haven’t even been awake an hour, and I’m cross because I don’t have any breakfast food other than cereal and I can’t leave my condo till 11:30 because I have phone interview this morning. Said phone interview is for a job I really want and I’m anxious about it.

In view of all that I decided to spit venom onto the blog.

That was a shitty decision. The fact that your own life problems make you less sympathetic to others in bad situations, rather than more is deeply troubling. I completely agree that your stressful situation sounds bad, but it palls in comparison to the stressful situation of a poor person trying to raise a child. Your solution—to scold and fingerwag at the poor person and tell them they shouldn’t have had a kid—is stupid, pointless, mean, and does absolutely nothing, not a damn thing, to help anyone, not even yourself.

Posting on the internet is not some reflex action. In order to write the words and decide to post them, there’s a series of complex actions necessary. You, as you often do, are declining to take responsibility for your actions, instead constructing this rationalization of why you made this shitty choice, and the horribe hypocrisy of it is that you’re doing this about a post that you made chiding others for personal responsibility.

So make up your mind whether you actually want to be an absolutist about personal responsibility, and if you do, then don’t include this pity-party sort of excuse for your bad behavior.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:36:17am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

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Careful DF, he may call you a Commie Democrat :D.

157 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:36:58am
158 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:37:27am
159 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:37:33am

There isn’t enough coffee in the world to save me this morning. Binge watched 9 episodes of season 3 of The Walking Dead last night. My brain feels like I was out drinking all night.

160 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:37:34am

re: #157 darthstar

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Woot.

161 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:38:01am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

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They like to believe in the idea that welfare recipients sell their stamps for cash that they then use for alcohol. Or, at least they did before EBT cards became the standard.

162 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:38:41am

re: #159 geoffm33

There isn’t enough coffee in the world to save me this morning. Binge watched 9 episodes of season 3 of The Walking Dead last night. My brain feels like I was out drinking all night.

So you’re saying you feel like a zombie.

163 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:39:13am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Careful DF, he may call you a Commie Democrat :D.

The law is what the law is, and in this case the provision in question isn’t going to change. If that bothers some wingnut, I could care less. I’m still not in a good mood, but I figure I can improve it whacking Twitter bozos.

164 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:39:26am

re: #161 Targetpractice

They like to believe in the idea that welfare recipients sell their stamps for cash that they then use for alcohol. Or, at least they did before EBT cards became the standard.

HURR HURR THEY SELL TEH EBT CARDS ON CRAIGSLIST!!!!11!!!!!

165 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:39:38am

re: #159 geoffm33

There isn’t enough coffee in the world to save me this morning. Binge watched 9 episodes of season 3 of The Walking Dead last night. My brain feels like I was out drinking all night.

My advice: Stay in bed and watching the remaining episodes. :)

166 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:40:19am

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

The law is what the law is, and in this case the provision in question isn’t going to change. If that bothers some wingnut, I could care less. I’m still not in a good mood, but I figure I can improve it whacking Twitter bozos.

Dude, don’t be so literal. I know the law. Just razzing you because you pointed out some inconvenient truths to some other wingnut imbecile and he called you a liberal.

167 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:41:18am

re: #161 Targetpractice

They like to believe in the idea that welfare recipients sell their stamps for cash that they then use for alcohol. Or, at least they did before EBT cards became the standard.

Yep, and they also conveiniently ignore that most people on Welfare are kids. But they’re PRO-FAMILY. But then I remember PRO-FAMILY means to them shaming that gay cousin we’re embarrassed by.

168 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:42:06am

re: #162 Targetpractice

So you’re saying you feel like a zombie.

Bingo!

re: #165 Dr. Matt

My advice: Stay in bed and watching the remaining episodes. :)

I really wanted to. Should’ve dropped the kiddo’s off at school then went home and took a day off ;)

169 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:43:06am

re: #161 Targetpractice


They do, fifty cents on the dollar.

170 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:43:21am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Yep, and they also conveiniently ignore that most people on Welfare are kids. But they’re PRO-FAMILY. But then I remember PRO-FAMILY means to them shaming that gay cousin we’re embarrassed by.

Pro-family also means badgering school boards into not teaching evolution because it has the side effect of showing students that their parents are horribly wrong.

171 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:44:55am

A great photo for freaking out a wingnut:

A DRONE AND MI-24 HINDS IN UN COLORS!!1

172 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:45:03am

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

The law is what the law is, and in this case the provision in question isn’t going to change. If that bothers some wingnut, I could care less. I’m still not in a good mood, but I figure I can improve it whacking Twitter bozos.

Keep calm and carry on. You won’t do well in the interview with the attitude you’re displaying here. Your mood will come through and the interviewer will pick up on it.

Breathe, and get your mind on something positive, or you won’t come off well. They may not be looking for a hatchet man.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:45:11am

re: #170 Uncle Obdicut

Pro-family also means badgering school boards into not teaching evolution because it has the side effect of showing students that their parents are horribly wrong.

Yep or to go with that banning certain literature because they want to shelter their kids. I remember reading about one school board in NC that banned Ellison’s Invisible Man due to pressure from such groups. These are also the saem groups that have been belly-aching about Harry Potter for years too. Congrats on Uncle-hood by the way, I’m becoming one too in March.

174 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:45:13am

Because NOT ALL VETERANS ARE CHRISTIAN. Has that ever occurred to the wingnuts?

175 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:46:54am

re: #174 Lord of the Pies

Because NOT ALL VETERANS ARE CHRISTIAN. Has that ever occurred to the wingnuts?

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Why would Jewish veterans be mad at being buried underneath the sign of the cross? It’s not like Christians ever persecuted Jews or anything, we know that was all Muslims, always!

176 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:47:06am

re: #174 Lord of the Pies

Because NOT ALL VETERANS ARE CHRISTIAN. Has that ever occurred to the wingnuts?

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Gee, I dunno, perhaps the same reason why people get offended about the LDS baptizing their long dead relatives into the LDS church. You don’t get to force your religion on people even after death.

177 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:48:13am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

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NOT Paged

Another insincere “gotcha” holiday sentiment. They just don’t get inclusive sharing of public spaces. The idea public spaces must be empty of any and all spiritual display just does not seem right to me. If atheists want to display why not the atom logo and a nice positive message about science?

178 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:49:48am

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

A great photo for freaking out a wingnut:

A DRONE AND MI-24 HINDS IN UN COLORS!!1

They both can fire strongly worded letters…

179 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:51:18am

re: #174 Lord of the Pies

Because NOT ALL VETERANS ARE CHRISTIAN. Has that ever occurred to the wingnuts?

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Even up here in northern Wisconsin if you go walking through a military cemetery you’ll see the Star of David every so often, even the occasional Crescent Moon & Star, heck I saw one Pentacle recently. The whole list is here: en.wikipedia.org

180 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:51:42am

re: #174 Lord of the Pies

Why is it that hyper-politically correct righties are so easily ‘offended’ by things like someone saying “happy holidays”?

181 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:52:37am

re: #177 Political Atheist

Another insincere “gotcha” holiday sentiment. They just don’t get inclusive sharing of public spaces. The idea public spaces must be empty of any and all spiritual display just does not seem right to me. If atheists want to display why not the atom logo and a nice positive message about science?

The government shouldn’t do anything to in any way favor any religion over another. We do that all the time with public display. It should end.

And I really don’t get why you think that, if we’re not going to have that, you get to then worry about what the atheists are going to put up. If we let people put up shit, you don’t get to decide what the other faiths/traditions/whatever put up.

I also don’t get what you think is ‘insincere’.

182 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:53:38am

Cousin’s husband who’s an Atheist had surfer listed as his religion on his USMC dogtags. What wingnuts don’t get is, this is America’s military. It’s full of Catholics like my grandfather, atheists like my cousin’s husband, Jews like Maurice Rose,, and everything in between. It is NOT and has never been a Christian military and if you think that, your thought process is really no different from the radical Muslim militants you proclaim to feel contempt for.

183 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:53:44am

I’m more convinced than ever that I’m glad I don’t have a FB acct.

Facebook is rolling out a feature Tuesday that will allow advertisers to play videos in users’ news feeds.

money.cnn.com

“Rather than having to click or tap to play, videos will begin to play as they appear onscreen — without sound,” Facebook (FB, Fortune 500) said in a statement. When users tap the videos, the sound will turn on and the video will play in full-screen mode.

“Investors cheered the news. Shares of Facebook (FB, Fortune 500) gained nearly 2% in early trading and hit a new all-time high on hopes that the new video ads will boost the company’s revenues.

“Analysts at Oppenheimer estimate Facebook could gain as much as $8.4 billion per year in revenue once the program is fully rolled out. “

Fuck you very much, FB, for continuing to clutter up people’s spaces with advertising.

184 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:53:50am

re: #179 William Barnett-Lewis

Even up here in northern Wisconsin if you go walking through a military cemetery you’ll see the Star of David every so often, even the occasional Crescent Moon & Star, heck I saw one Pentacle recently. The whole list is here: en.wikipedia.org

I want this one: Link

185 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:54:29am

re: #171 Dark_Falcon


That’ll come well before anyone in the US has to worry about UN drones or black helicopters.

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:55:01am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Why is it that hyper-politically correct righties are so easily ‘offended’ by things like someone saying “happy holidays”?

That’s honestly a good question. I mean when you consider that New Years day is a week after Christmas Day. As I’ve said time and time again, it doesn’t offend me either way. Wish me a Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, hey thanks, you’re being friendly in my least favorite weather wise time of the year.

187 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:56:18am

re: #162 Targetpractice

So you’re saying you feel like a zombie.

Win!

188 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:56:30am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

I want this one: Link

I want cremation and a nice jar.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:56:36am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

I want this one: Image: File:USVAHammerofThor.jpg

It’s cool looking but I’d rather not be associate with the slime that use that symbol these days. Nasty little racists in Norse Paganism.

190 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:56:59am

re: #185 lawhawk

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That’ll come well before anyone in the US has to worry about UN drones or black helicopters.

All the guys around here are joking about the new kind of skeet shooting.

191 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:57:41am
192 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:58:13am

re: #169 Flounder

They do, fifty cents on the dollar.

Folks, is it OK if I quote a National Review article to support Shropshire Slasher’s contention, or will that get me yelled at?

193 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:58:42am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s cool looking but I’d rather not be associate with the slime that use that symbol these days. Nasty little racists in Norse Paganism.

I actually have never heard of the group and have never seen the symbol until today. Duly noted. Perhaps I’ll invent my own symbol: The Awesomest, Kick-Ass Hammer of Matt

194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:59:27am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s cool looking but I’d rather not be associate with the slime that use that symbol these days. Nasty little racists in Norse Paganism.

White supremacists co-opted the Celtic Cross which is a shame. I like the design on them more so than I do regular crosses.

195 prairiefire  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 6:59:28am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

I want cremation and a nice jar.

A guy I know from high school worked for a long time to get the pagan symbols approved within the military. He’s from a long line of celtic(?) pagans. Really long.

196 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:00:19am
197 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:01:39am

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

I’m more convinced than ever that I’m glad I don’t have a FB acct.

Facebook is rolling out a feature Tuesday that will allow advertisers to play videos in users’ news feeds.

money.cnn.com

“Rather than having to click or tap to play, videos will begin to play as they appear onscreen — without sound,” Facebook (FB, Fortune 500) said in a statement. When users tap the videos, the sound will turn on and the video will play in full-screen mode.
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Fuck you very much, FB, for continuing to clutter up people’s spaces with advertising.

I hate the videos that start playing automatically. They slow things down, they are always set at an insanely loud volume, the tend to be at the bottom of the page so that you have to scroll to find them.

RBS

198 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:02:46am

re: #119 William Barnett-Lewis

Hall and Oates is in, but the Replacements are not? Has anyone who makes these decisions ever heard any of the music we call “Rock and Roll”?

And the Replacements being on the outside looking in led me to Google some other seminal post-punk bands from the 80s, and big surprise, none of Mission of Burma, Husker Du, or the Minutemen are in. But I’m sure “Maneater” has had a greater influence on rock music than Zen Arcade.

199 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:02:52am

re: #196 Charles Johnson

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I’ve been wondering this whole time- who’s using who- Is Greenwald using Snowden? At first, I thought that was it but I’ve considered now that it may in fact be the other way around. Snowden doesn’t seem to give a damn who he helps. He’s not motivated by a sincere problem with the system. Otherwise, I don’t think he’s going to Russia or China. I think it’s pure greed and or ego for Snow.

200 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:03:29am

re: #196 Charles Johnson

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Snowden’s new employer shouldn’t be too happy to see that he’ll bail on them with no notice.

201 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:05:21am

re: #174 Lord of the Pies

Because NOT ALL VETERANS ARE CHRISTIAN. Has that ever occurred to the wingnuts?

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No, it hasn’t. We’re a Christian Nation, according to them. Jews are just guests here until they go to Israel to bring about Armageddon. Muslims, Hindus, etc. don’t belong in America in the first place. And don’t you dare suggest that Pat Tillman was a non-believer.

202 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:06:27am

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Nothing says “my partner Glenn Greenwald left me here to freeze my ass off in misery while he sells my stolen shit for $250 million” quite like an open letter.

Newsflash for Eddie: When Putin gets tired of you, he’s not sending you to Brazil.

203 Dave In Austin  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:06:48am

F*ck this. With al the other stuff going on with FB, I’m about done.

Auto play ads??

204 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:07:27am

I can never see ‘Russia’ and ‘The Holocaust’ In the same sentence without remembering this poem.

Babi Yar

205 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:07:50am

re: #119 William Barnett-Lewis

Deep Purple vs. Hall and Oates. Good Dog. What a shame. DP is one of the pioneer’s of hard rock/heavy metal and had tremendous influence on generations of bands and musicians.

206 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:08:00am

re: #202 darthstar

Nothing says “my partner Glenn Greenwald left me here to freeze my ass off in misery while he sells my stolen shit for $250 million” quite like an open letter.

Newsflash for Eddie: When Putin gets tired of you, he’s not sending you to Brazil.

Good news Comrade Snowden, benevolent host Putin has acquired for you an opportunity to see Pussy Riot perform

207 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:08:24am
208 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:09:14am

re: #185 lawhawk

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That’ll come well before anyone in the US has to worry about UN drones or black helicopters.

Well, the next time a Republican governor’s administration decides to fuck with the George Washington Bridge as payback, we’ll have better aerial views of the traffic jams.

209 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:09:46am

re: #196 Charles Johnson

The damaging bit:

Many Brazilian senators agree, and have asked for my assistance with their investigations of suspected crimes against Brazilian citizens.

I have expressed my willingness to assist wherever appropriate and lawful, but unfortunately the United States government has worked very hard to limit my ability to do so — going so far as to force down the Presidential Plane of Evo Morales to prevent me from traveling to Latin America!

Until a country grants permanent political asylum, the US government will continue to interfere with my ability to speak.

Yeah…that don’t make you look so patriotic there Eddie…

210 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:10:16am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Folks, is it OK if I quote a National Review article to support Shropshire Slasher’s contention, or will that get me yelled at?

re: #169 Flounder

They do, fifty cents on the dollar.

This is from an article in the current issue of National Review (the full article is behind a paywall, but I have a subscription). Wingnuts won’t talk about this article (or at least this passage) because the people in it are white:

‘Well, you try paying that much for a case of pop,” says the irritated proprietor of a nearby café, who is curt with whoever is on the other end of the telephone but greets customers with the perfect manners that small-town restaurateurs inexplicably develop. I don’t think much of that overheard remark at the time, but it turns out that the local economy runs on black-market soda the way Baghdad ran on contraband crude during the days of sanctions.

It works like this: Once a month, the debit-card accounts of those receiving what we still call food stamps are credited with a few hundred dollars — about $500 for a family of four, on average — which are immediately converted into a unit of exchange, in this case cases of soda. On the day when accounts are credited, local establishments accepting EBT cards — and all across the Big White Ghetto, “We Accept Food Stamps” is the new E pluribus unum — are swamped with locals using their public benefits to buy cases and cases — reports put the number at 30 to 40 cases for some buyers — of soda. Those cases of soda then either go on to another retailer, who buys them at 50 cents on the dollar, in effect laundering those $500 in monthly benefits into $250 in cash — a considerably worse rate than your typical organized-crime money launderer offers — or else they go into the local black-market economy, where they can be used as currency in such ventures as the dealing of unauthorized prescription painkillers — by “pillbillies,” as they are known at the sympathetic establishments in Florida that do so much business with Kentucky and West Virginia that the relevant interstate bus service is nicknamed the “OxyContin Express.” A woman who is intimately familiar with the local drug economy suggests that the exchange rate between sexual favors and cases of pop — some dealers will accept either — is about 1:1, meaning that the value of a woman in the local prescription-drug economy is about $12.99 at Walmart prices.

211 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:11:14am

re: #201 Ian G.

No, it hasn’t. We’re a Christian Nation, according to them. Jews are just guests here until they go to Israel to bring about Armageddon. Muslims, Hindus, etc. don’t belong in America in the first place. And don’t you dare suggest that Pat Tillman was a non-believer.

Just ask Bryan Fisher… Constitution is to protect the Christian Faith

The Constitution, according to him, only provides the right to religion to Christians, that all other religions (and yes, that includes the Jews) are false religions and don’t have any protections or rights. I wish I could make this stuff up, but it’s right there.

RBS

212 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:11:30am

Moscow, Russia

Right Now:

36°F
Cloudy
Feels like 27°

213 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:11:43am

HOLY HELL THIS IS GREAT:

Youtube Video

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:11:48am

re: #208 Mattand

Well, the next time a Republican governor’s administration decides to fuck with the George Washington Bridge as payback, we’ll have better aerial views of the traffic jams.

For all you know it’ll a Democrat screwing with some town’s train station. Politics in New Jersey is a sharp-elbowed business.

215 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:12:06am
216 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:12:39am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Folks, is it OK if I quote a National Review article to support Shropshire Slasher’s contention, or will that get me yelled at?

Is it a really stupid article that’ll be obviously full of flaws?

217 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:12:49am

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Right Now:

75°F
Cloudy
Feels like 78°

218 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:12:53am

re: #212 b.d.

Moscow, Russia

Right Now:

36°F
Cloudy
Feels like 27°

Warmer than New York City. :-P

219 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:13:13am

re: #217 b.d.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Right Now:

75°F
Cloudy
Feels like 78°

Fly me to Rio not the moon, Sinatra.

220 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:14:07am

re: #216 Uncle Obdicut

Is it a really stupid article that’ll be obviously full of flaws?

Well, it’s the Nationalist Review.

221 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:14:45am

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Ed Snowden: Espionage for hire. He’s out of time in Russia, so he’s got to find somewhere else, and the only reason a country would take him in is for the services he’d provide.


He’s willing to help Brazilian authorities investigate “suspected crimes against Brazilian citizens”. The NSA isn’t breaking US law by spying on Brazilians. Snowden’s an American citizen. The laws he’s broken are American laws, which is why he’s gone to China (Hong Kong), Russia, and now seeking refuge in Brazil to avoid the consequences of breaking US law.

What is he getting in return? Refuge/asylum. That sounds and looks like a quid pro quo to me.

222 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:14:53am

re: #216 Uncle Obdicut

Is it a really stupid article that’ll be obviously full of flaws?

And now I see the article. The main flaw is: Anecdote is not data. No actual support for contentions provided. Nobody would claim that no-one has ever sold stuff they got with EBT cards for money, which points to a much greater need of direct economic assistance to the poor, like a guaranteed minimum income. But to say that ‘they’ do it is foolish. That’s like saying lawyers conspire to hide evidence.

223 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:15:31am

I’ve found the next dudebro “OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1”:

Google moves into military robotics

Google has acquired Boston Dynamics, a company known for developing super-fast, animal-like robots with strong ties to the U.S. military.

Boston Dynamics founder Marc Raibert confirmed the purchase to CNNMoney.

“We are excited and looking forward to taking robotics the next couple of steps, working as part of Google’s gangbuster team,” he said.

The purchase is part of Google’s (GOOG, Fortune 500) broader push into the field of robotics, led by Andy Rubin, the man responsible for developing the Android platform for smartphones.

224 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:17:17am

John Gruber, the tech pundit behind the Apple-centric blog called Daring Fireball, uncorked this gem about Ed Snowden yesterday:

It is getting harder and harder to see Snowden as anything other than a hero who, at great personal risk and cost, has done a great service for our country and the world.

Really…

There’s four laptops’ worth of randomly grabbed security data sitting on Russian and Chinese servers that say otherwise.

What the fuck…

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:18:01am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

I’ve found the next dudebro “OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1”:

Google moves into military robotics

It’s official. Google is now Skynet.

226 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:18:03am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

This is from an article in the current issue of National Review (the full article is behind a paywall, but I have a subscription). Wingnuts won’t talk about this article (or at least this passage) because the people in it are white:

So, I get the impression that the article is being moralistic about white people “stooping” to such shenanigans they think should be reserved for the brown and black people?

That is part and parcel of the white supremacist argument. “White people should be above such behavior.”

227 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:18:38am

re: #222 Uncle Obdicut

And now I see the article. The main flaw is: Anecdote is not data. No actual support for contentions provided. Nobody would claim that no-one has ever sold stuff they got with EBT cards for money, which points to a much greater need of direct economic assistance to the poor, like a guaranteed minimum income. But to say that ‘they’ do it is foolish. That’s like saying lawyers conspire to hide evidence.

It’s only intended as mild support of Shropshire Slasher, not as an argument against EBT.

228 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:19:21am

re: #224 Mattand

I still have such a hard time not seeing Snowden’s actions other than amputating the arm off of a patient who needs 40 stitches to close a wound.

229 Dave In Austin  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:20:30am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s official. Google is now Skynet.

Google motto 2004: Don’t be evil
Google motto 2010: Evil is tricky to define
Google motto 2013: We make military robots

230 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:21:29am

This is pretty good.

231 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:22:17am

re: #220 Charles Johnson

Well, it’s the Nationalist Review.

Give the kid a break. He woke up angry and really needs to masturbate.

232 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:22:58am

re: #230 darthstar

This is pretty good.

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Totally nailed FNC.

233 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:23:27am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

It’s only intended as mild support of Shropshire Slasher, not as an argument against EBT.

You can’t ‘mildly’ support a categorical argument that ‘they’ sell their food stamps for money for alcohol.

It’s a categorical statement, and it’s wrong.

234 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:25:59am

re: #209 darthstar

The damaging bit:

—snip /
Until a country grants permanent political asylum, the US government will continue to interfere with my ability to speak.
snip —

Yeah…that don’t make you look so patriotic there Eddie…

The US government has never interfered with his ability to speak. He can say anything he wants to, as long as he doesn’t piss off the Russians (mostly Putin). He’s speaking freely now, after all. What the US has done is “interfere” with his ability to roam around the world by revoking his passport. Each the other is not the same.

Cry me a river, Snowden.

235 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:26:39am

buzzfeed.com
This is touching. Good on this judge and again good on the state of Illinois for legalizing SSM.

236 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:26:41am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fun fact: Cats in Paris sound like Maurice Chevalier when they meow.

“Honh, honh, honh”.

237 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:27:56am

re: #230 darthstar

This is pretty good.

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Gawd. Brilliant. I laughed my old ass off. : )

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:29:41am

re: #217 b.d.

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Right Now:

75°F
Cloudy
Feels like 78°

GLOBAL WARMING!

Oh wait, it’s summer down there.

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:32:25am

HURR HURR

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:33:11am

Holly must be home schooled. Who adds EXTRA LETTERS to a Tweet?

241 A Mom Anon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:33:32am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

How about you find a source that isn’t full of people who like looking down their noses at poor people and blaming them for being poor?

242 William of Orange  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:34:56am

There! Here’s your black Santa!


243 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:35:53am

re: #241 A Mom Anon

How about you find a source that isn’t full of people who like looking down their noses at poor people and blaming them for being poor?

“When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked, why are they poor. They called me a Marxist.”

244 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:38:02am

re: #239 Lord of the Pies

WTF does that even mean?

245 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:38:11am

re: #240 Lord of the Pies

Holly must be home schooled. Who adds EXTRA LETTERS to a Tweet?

Home School Spelling.

246 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:38:17am

re: #239 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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I’m missing something. Where was it said that you wished someone Happy Holidays at a war memorial? And furthermore, how is it any different from wishing some a Merry Christmas at one? I don’t get why the phrase offends them. I really do not. When you consider that A) we’re not all Christians obviously but B) New Year’s Day always falls a week after Christmas Day. It’s stupid. The whole fake outrage over this phrase is stupid. I nearly walked out of a Christmas Eve mass once because the priest was bitching about it. I didn’t do so out of politeness to my grandmother who was there but it angered me that he spent a Christmas Eve sermon whining about a phrase and I really haven’t been back in a church since.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:38:39am

re: #244 Ian G.

WTF does that even mean?

I responded to this idiotic Tweet:

248 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:38:52am

re: #244 Ian G.

WTF does that even mean?

Home School Critical Thinking.

249 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:40:36am

Oh and…these wingnuts are still seething because OBAMA SHUT DOWN TEH WAR MEMORIALS AND ARRESTED ALL TEH ELDERLY WW2 VETS!!!!111! during that “Shutdown” thing.

250 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:40:50am

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

Home School Critical Thinking.

There’s actually an university not too far from here that is primarily composed of kids who were home-schooled. I hear they’re nice enough kids but I feel bad for them since they’ve first been sheltered by fundamentalist religion home schooling and now an university that makes Falwell’s Liberty look like Animal House.

251 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:41:21am
252 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:41:36am

re: #249 Lord of the Pies

Oh and…these wingnuts are still seething because OBAMA SHUT DOWN TEH WAR MEMORIALS AND ARRESTED ALL TEH ELDERLY WW2 VETS!!!!111! during that “Shutdown” thing.

I liked the ones who complained that Clinton never shut down the WWII memorial during the ‘95 shutdown.

253 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:42:33am

re: #247 Lord of the Pies

I’d also add “why is it that hyper-religious right-wingers have no problem celebrating the birth of their savior by…..putting a boreal tree in their house, decorating it with lights, and waiting for a fat man from the arctic to bring gifts?”

I dunno, that would seem to me a trivialization of a major religious event. But what do I know?

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:43:48am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I liked the ones who complained that Clinton never shut down the WWII memorial during the ‘95 shutdown.

I remember at FReep they used to post images of the Normandy cemetery and say shit like HURR HURR LOOK AT ALL TEH CHRISTIANS WHO DIED TO FREE TEH UNGRATEFUL JUICE FROM TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!!!

Except that if you Google image search “Normandy Cemetery” you will see that most of the views contain a Star of David or two. Most are crosses because MAJORITY duh.

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:43:57am

A lot of what sells itself as “conservative thought” or “conservytive principles” is simply taking social/cultural convention and turning into an ideology.

256 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:44:36am

re: #253 Ian G.

I’d also add “why is it that hyper-religious right-wingers have no problem celebrating the birth of their savior by…..putting a boreal tree in their house, decorating it with lights, and waiting for a fat man from the arctic to bring gifts?”

I dunno, that would seem to me a trivialization of a major religious event. But what do I know?

Don’t forget about enabling said fat man with cookies. The irony though to me anyhow is the theological ancestors of the people who now cry about Happy Holidays are the people who didn’t want Christmas celebrated at all in the fashion we do today.

257 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:44:48am

WTFITS

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:45:28am

re: #254 Lord of the Pies

I remember at FReep they used to post images of the Normandy cemetery and say shit like HURR HURR LOOK AT ALL TEH CHRISTIANS WHO DIED TO FREE TEH UNGRATEFUL JUICE FROM TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!!!

Except that if you Google image search “Normandy Cemetery” you will see that most of the views contain a Star of David or two. Most are crosses because MAJORITY duh.

Idiots. Classless idiots at that too.

259 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:45:35am

Notice how the “Letter to Washington” is signed by a bunch of “Individuals”

260 William of Orange  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:46:28am
261 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:46:34am

re: #251 Lord of the Pies

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President Reagan once called the old Soviet Empire “the focus of evil in the modern world.” President Putin is implying that Barack Obama’s America may deserve the title in the 21st century.

Nor is he without an argument when we reflect on America’s embrace of abortion on demand, homosexual marriage, pornography, promiscuity, and the whole panoply of Hollywood values.

Our grandparents would not recognize the America in which we live.

Moreover, Putin asserts, the new immorality has been imposed undemocratically.

The “destruction of traditional values” in these countries, he said, comes “from the top” and is “inherently undemocratic because it is based on abstract ideas and runs counter to the will of the majority of people.”

Pat Buchanan finally just admits he hates his own country.

262 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:46:36am

re: #257 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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So, Ted supports same sex marriage and choice now. Good to know. Oh wait.

263 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:46:39am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

There’s actually an university not too far from here that is primarily composed of kids who were home-schooled. I hear they’re nice enough kids but I feel bad for them since they’ve first been sheltered by fundamentalist religion home schooling and now an university that makes Falwell’s Liberty look like Animal House.

Sometimes Liberty and Patrick Henry are the only schools that will accept some homeschoolers.

264 William of Orange  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:48:28am

re: #257 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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19000 followers and only 74 retweets. Just sayin’.

265 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:48:59am

re: #263 Justanotherhuman

Sometimes Liberty and Patrick Henry are the only schools that will accept some homeschoolers.

Probably. The thing I don’t like about homeschooling or rather to specify the ultra religious who do it is they do it to shelter their children from foreign ideas. They don’t want little so and so hearing about the Theory of Evolution, they don’t want so and so hearing that Christianity isn’t the only religion, or that there are books outside the Bible. It’s about sheltering and it’s why I’d never homeschool my kids. I want my kids should I have them to be challenged by the outside world.

266 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:50:16am

*HEADDESK*

267 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:51:11am

re: #254 Lord of the Pies

About 500,000 -550,000 Jews served in the US military. That’s with a Jewish population of about 4.75 million and total US population of 131 million or so at the start of WWII.

Under 5% of the total number of people under arms were Jewish. So, in any photo of a cemetery showing WWII fallen, it should be expected to see a handful of Jewish headstones.

268 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:51:50am

Yeah you see those “Planned Parenthood” vans cruising up and down the ‘hood, grabbing random pregnant Black women off the streets and giving them forced abortions TO KEEP TEH POPULATION DOWN!!!!!!!
//

269 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:52:04am

re: #257 Lord of the Pies

The US Constitution applies to other countries? Retweet if you agree?

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:52:27am

re: #266 Lord of the Pies

*HEADDESK*

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Cheapening the horrors of slavery to attack Planned Parenthood, classy.

271 William of Orange  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:52:46am
272 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:53:07am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Cheapening the horrors of slavery to attack Planned Parenthood, classy.

HURR HURR MARGARET SANGER WAS A WHITE RACIST EUGENICIST MEMBER OF TEH KKK!!!!!111!!!!!

273 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:53:19am
274 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:53:50am

HURR HURR LBJ USED TEH N WORD!!!!1!!!! TEH CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IS INVALID!!!!!11!!!

275 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:54:34am

re: #266 Lord of the Pies

*HEADDESK*

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“patenthood”???

What does he have against clones?

276 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:54:44am

re: #181 Uncle Obdicut

The government shouldn’t do anything to in any way favor any religion over another. We do that all the time with public display. It should end.

And I really don’t get why you think that, if we’re not going to have that, you get to then worry about what the atheists are going to put up. If we let people put up shit, you don’t get to decide what the other faiths/traditions/whatever put up.

I also don’t get what you think is ‘insincere’.

An inclusive policy does not favor one religion over another. Did you happen to see my post in a page that supported the statute of a Hindu god?

The insincerity is that the flying monster is at heart a satirization, not a religion at all.

What you inaccurately characterize as my “worry” is just stating an opinion and a desire for the atheist counter display to be positive instead of satirical. I’ll leave the worrying to those that seek to deny the sharing of public spaces for holiday display.

I like sincere displays of faith or holiday sentiment. I dislike displays intended to demean or diminish peoples belief systems.

277 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:54:49am

The new gardening product for both wingnuts and Joe Biden:

The Flower Shell: A new way to plant your garden (VIDEO)

The Flower Shell is a shotgun shell loaded with seeds instead of pellets.

Developed by Per Cromwell, Creative Director at Studio Total in Sweden, the Flower Shell is meant to give life and claims to be “the first shotgun shell that fires flower seeds.” Currently, the Flower Shell has 12 different seed options, including Daisy, Sunflower, Lavender, Peony, and others, according to the Flower Shell website.

Image: Flower_Shell.jpg

Youtube Video

278 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:54:52am

re: #266 Lord of the Pies

Planned Patenthood? You plan your patents in the hood? That’s a step up from the economic freedom zones Rand’s pushing.

279 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:54:52am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Probably. The thing I don’t like about homeschooling or rather to specify the ultra religious who do it is they do it to shelter their children from foreign ideas. They don’t want little so and so hearing about the Theory of Evolution, they don’t want so and so hearing that Christianity isn’t the only religion, or that there are books outside the Bible. It’s about sheltering and it’s why I’d never homeschool my kids. I want my kids should I have them to be challenged by the outside world.

I’ve had it said to me that “I’m homeschooling so that my child’s faith isn’t challenged by things like evolution. The school has no right to override the parents wishes in matters regarding faith and education” (but sometimes not phrased that elegantly)

I hear that as “if you teach my child to think, that there are other views, he may actually start to have thoughts of his own that I didn’t put there.” If a set of beliefs aren’t periodically challenged and validated then they aren’t really what you believe, it’s what you’ve been taught to parrot. I think somebody said something about “foundations being built on sand”.

RBS

280 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:55:00am

STAY CLASSY WINGNUTS

281 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:55:45am

re: #280 Lord of the Pies

STAY CLASSY WINGNUTS

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Really assholes, fuckin’ really? It’s a phrase.

282 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:57:44am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Really assholes, fuckin’ really? It’s a phrase.

I brought that one up a couple days ago. It really did happen. The amount of Bad Craziness just keeps growing.

283 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:58:25am

re: #279 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve had it said to me that “I’m homeschooling so that my child’s faith isn’t challenged by things like evolution. The school has no right to override the parents wishes in matters regarding faith and education” (but sometimes not phrased that elegantly)

I hear that as “if you teach my child to think, that there are other views, he may actually start to have thoughts of his own that I didn’t put there.” If a set of beliefs aren’t periodically challenged and validated then they aren’t really what you believe, it’s what you’ve been taught to parrot. I think somebody said something about “foundations being built on sand”.

RBS

The thing my father did best to me and my brothers as his father did before him to my Dad and his siblings was to play Devil’s Advocate with us. Hell I still say to this day, the best professors I had were ones that challenged my conceptions rather than affirmed them. I think that’s what conservatives like these are afraid of. They’re afraid that their children will somehow not love them if they discover they don’t agree with Mom and Dad on such and such issue. I don’t know. I think it’s just pathetic to shelter your children because of your own prejudice against information that isn’t fundamentalist religion in nature. On a related note, I got my 12 year old kid brother Darwin’s Origins of Species for Christmas and he loves it. Kid’s going to be a success one day. Much smarter than his older brothers.

284 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:58:27am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget about enabling said fat man with cookies. The irony though to me anyhow is the theological ancestors of the people who now cry about Happy Holidays are the people who didn’t want Christmas celebrated at all in the fashion we do today.

Yup. I give the Puritans credit for at least recognizing Christmas as the pagan winter festival it is. Try pointing out the origins of Christmas on FOX News and you’ll be accused of hating Jesus and America.

285 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:59:20am

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I brought that one up a couple days ago. It really did happen. The amount of Bad Craziness just keeps growing.

Haven’t really been on as much due to work and basketball but damn the hell is wrong with people. I get that people don’t like the phrase. I think it’s sophomoric and stupid to get offended it but hey free to disagree but actually assaulting someone over that? Agh.

286 Dave In Austin  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 7:59:38am

re: #280 Lord of the Pies

This is know as getting the bejesus beat into you……

Hoppy Holidaze!!

287 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:00:33am

re: #257 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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Wait, what? The balance has tipped away from individual rights and towards the state? Mind giving some examples, Teddy? Because in the 33 years I’ve been on this planet, I’ve seen entire regions like Eastern Europe and Latin America move away from dictatorship and towards liberal democracy.

288 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:00:36am

Remember wingnuts to keep the Christ in Christianity

289 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:01:06am

Cockroach. Cock-a-roach. Yep. Seems right. Drinking my cawfee now.

290 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:02:29am

re: #267 lawhawk

About 500,000 -550,000 Jews served in the US military. That’s with a Jewish population of about 4.75 million and total US population of 131 million or so at the start of WWII.

Under 5% of the total number of people under arms were Jewish. So, in any photo of a cemetery showing WWII fallen, it should be expected to see a handful of Jewish headstones.

Over-represented:

Image: Humanist-atheist-emblems.jpg

Image: tombstones.jpg

291 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:02:43am

re: #271 William of Orange

After Peter sliced off Malchus’ ear, Jesus said “he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword” and healed Malchus “you’re doing it wrong” to Peter and capped Malchus in the head with his glock.

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:02:50am

If you don’t think “Happy Holidays” is offensive, you haven’t listened to this piece of crap played over and over and over and over and over and over
Youtube Video

293 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:05:21am
294 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:06:18am
295 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:06:33am
296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:06:40am

I was reading a book review of a new biography out on Ted Williams not so long ago. I had read a previous biography on him two winters back. I had forgotten but Mr. Williams was very non-religious. Hell many have said he was an atheist. This was a man who served his country during two wars. I have zero problem honoring Christian veterans who have served our country with a cross. No one I have ever met has a problem with that. What people do have a problem with is all crosses and the implication that only Christians have fought and died for our country. That America’s military is Christian. What makes our country great is you’re not deemed any less of an American depending on what you choose and choose not to believe. The Atheist has the same rights as the Christian and vice versa. Fundamentalist zealots are upset because they don’t like having to share the equal rights with the non-fundamentalist. A sad irony given that fundamentalists have been discriminated against too.

297 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:07:34am

re: #276 Political Atheist

An inclusive policy does not favor one religion over another. Did you happen to see my post in a page that supported the statute of a Hindu god?

You can’t help but favor one religion over another when you let people put stuff up on public land. In a town with twenty thousand Christians and one Buddhist, that Buddhist isn’t going to have the time, energy, or resources to put up competing displays.

It is trivially easy to see the actual outcome of allowing displays on public land: The displays are overwhelmingly Christian.

The insincerity is that the flying monster is at heart a satirization, not a religion at all.

And so what? Why should religious displays be allowed but not satirical ones expressing a concept?

What you inaccurately characterize as my “worry” is just stating an opinion and a desire for the atheist counter display to be positive instead of satirical. I’ll leave the worrying to those that seek to deny the sharing of public spaces for holiday display.

Semantic quibbling aside, do you get the point? If we allow groups to put up displays, then concerning yourself with what it is they display is moot. If they’re free to put up what they like, they’re free to put up what they like. Your support for that shouldn’t depend if you agree on the substance or style.

I like sincere displays of faith or holiday sentiment. I dislike displays intended to demean or diminish peoples belief systems.

Why does what you like matter in this conversation?

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:08:53am

HURR HURR LIBRULS IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL!!!! CONSERVATIVES ONLY WANTS TO CONTROL ALL TEH VAGINAS!!!!!!!

299 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:09:23am

re: #294 Lord of the Pies

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I think or rather I hope that’s sarcasm. Really, if you’re beating someone over saying Happy Holidays, you’re a criminal who belongs in jail and off our streets.

300 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:10:03am

re: #298 Lord of the Pies

It’s all about liberals seeking control. We must crush the liberals and impose our own views instead. But don’t call that control.

301 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:10:06am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

For all you know it’ll a Democrat screwing with some town’s train station. Politics in New Jersey is a sharp-elbowed business.

Magic Balance Fairy cleanup in Aisle 6.

302 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:10:25am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I think or rather I hope that’s sarcasm. Really, if you’re beating someone over saying Happy Holidays, you’re a criminal who belongs in jail and off our streets.

That was ironic hipster commenting on the “Happy Holidays” story.

303 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:10:28am

re: #300 lawhawk

It’s all about liberals seeking control. We must crush the liberals and impose our own views instead. But don’t call that control.

We must stop the liberals from having control by punishing all liberals!

304 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:10:45am

re: #302 Lord of the Pies

That was ironic hipster commenting on the “Happy Holidays” story.

Ah, I see said the blind half hipster.

305 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:12:27am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

We must stop the liberals from having control by punishing all liberals!

CONSERVATIVES DON’T WANT TEH CONTROL EXCEPT CONTROL OF ALL TEH VAGINAS & ALL TEH PREGNANCIES & ALLTEH SEXYTIMES

306 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:15:42am

Conservativism wants a completely Free Market, one in which all decisions are dictated by “consumer choices”. They insist that such a market will regulate itself, police itself and produce the best possible outcome and create presperity for all who are willing to work hard, and provide (private) charity for those who cannot.

There is no arguing with them over it. Just try to restrict the amount of damage they can do.

307 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:16:16am

re: #297 Uncle Obdicut

You can’t help but favor one religion over another when you let people put stuff up on public land. In a town with twenty thousand Christians and one Buddhist, that Buddhist isn’t going to have the time, energy, or resources to put up competing displays.

It is trivially easy to see the actual outcome of allowing displays on public land: The displays are overwhelmingly Christian.

And so what? Why should religious displays be allowed but not satirical ones expressing a concept?

Semantic quibbling aside, do you get the point? If we allow groups to put up displays, then concerning yourself with what it is they display is moot. If they’re free to put up what they like, they’re free to put up what they like. Your support for that shouldn’t depend if you agree on the substance or style.

Why does what you like matter in this conversation?

So, is Scientology a religion, a satire, or a scam?

308 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:16:49am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

So, is Scientology a religion, a satire, or a scam?

Yes.

309 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:17:06am

re: #295 Gus

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LOL Isn’t TIME high enough on the DudeBro sh*tlist without doing that?

310 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:17:22am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

So, is Scientology a religion, a satire, or a scam?

D. All of the Above

311 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:17:43am

HURR HURR

312 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:18:44am

re: #308 Lord of the Pies

Yes.

those should be ANDs not ORs.

RBS

313 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:20:34am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

So, is Scientology a religion, a satire, or a scam?

It was an entirely intentional and cynical attempt to take advantage of legislation designed to favor certain religious organizations. Germany still refuses to recognize Scientology as a religion or to give it any equivalent status.

But they have their own odd approach to separation of church and state. Whateveer other issues I have with it, at least everyone here is spared the annual Blitzkrieg on Christmas chivarees.

314 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:20:43am
315 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:20:46am

re: #311 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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And we also have internet to remember that you’re one of the most nasty pieces of shit in the country, Ann but thanks. Even if the guy was a socialist, that doesn’t prove shit.

316 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:20:49am

re: #280 Lord of the Pies

STAY CLASSY WINGNUTS

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Sheesh did the grinch go on a bender?

317 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:22:10am

re: #307 Decatur Deb

So, is Scientology a religion, a satire, or a scam?

It’s an interesting case study. At one glance, you can say ‘obviously a scam!’, but then you can observe many of the same mechanisms that make it scammy are present in mainstream religions.

318 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:23:03am

re: #316 Political Atheist

Sheesh did the grinch go on a bender?

No, that’s just Ann Coulter you’re looking at.

319 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:23:12am

re: #314 Flounder

Cases of EBT fraud:
palmbeachpost.com
salemnews.com
foxcarolina.com
baltimorenewsjournal.com
abc22now.com

I can come up with cases of mothers drowning their children.

Does that mean the statement “Mothers drown their children” is a correct categorical statement?

I think your problem is not recognizing categorical statements as such.

320 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:23:20am

re: #317 Uncle Obdicut

It’s an interesting case study. At one glance, you can say ‘obviously a scam!’, but then you can observe many of the same mechanisms that make it scammy are present in mainstream religions.

Yup. And who gets to decide?

321 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:24:11am

re: #311 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Remind me not to be so kind the next time a Teabagger murders 9 people in a killing spree like that one in Seal Beach, CA.

322 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:25:03am

Yeah, he’s totally gonna lose the election.

323 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:25:49am

re: #322 Lord of the Pies

Ugh, that siren GIF is so 1998.

324 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:26:35am
325 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:27:02am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, that siren GIF is so 1998.

Isn’t it? I think the guy who programs Drudge’s website lives in 1998 too along with the guy who designed Free Republic.

326 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:27:17am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, that siren GIF is so 1998.

Hasn’t changed the format since 1998.

327 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:27:54am

re: #324 Gus

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Does Congress have to vote on a new speaker in January?

328 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:30:13am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Does Congress have to vote on a new speaker in January?

Don’t know.

329 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:30:51am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Can you imagine if Michelle Bachmann became Speaker?

330 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:32:45am

re: #329 Eclectic Cyborg

Can you imagine if Michelle Bachmann became Speaker?

Agh. No but I couldn’t imagine Rick Santorum becoming a viable presidential candidate either. Damn it, it’s too early for vodka even if it’s an off day and I don’t have b-ball practice tonight.

331 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:33:32am

re: #319 Uncle Obdicut

Let’s review. From this post:

re: #161 Targetpractice

They like to believe in the idea that welfare recipients sell their stamps for cash that they then use for alcohol. Or, at least they did before EBT cards became the standard.

which I replied:
re: #169 Flounder

They do, fifty cents on the dollar.

Then I posted some examples here:
re: #314 Flounder

332 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:34:29am

The Speaker of the House should be white like Santa and Jesus, not orange!!!

333 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:34:46am

re: #331 Flounder

Yes. As I said, the problem seems to be that you don’t recognize categorical statements. Does that phrase, ‘categorical statements’, mean anything to you?

334 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:35:04am

re: #298 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR LIBRULS IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL!!!! CONSERVATIVES ONLY WANTS TO CONTROL ALL TEH VAGINAS!!!!!!!

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They also don’t like it very much when two guys have the hots for each other.

335 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:35:04am

re: #324 Gus

The Senate Conservatives Fund declared war on John Boehner in August when it started its campaign to force the “Defund Obamacare Showdown”. After getting blasted by them for months Boehner finally “got his Irish up” (to quote Paul Ryan) and gave those wankers some pushback, and so now in the grand tradition of dictatorial minds the SF is claiming that the Speaker attacked them first.

It’s not just wrong, its lame as well.

336 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:35:04am

re: #331 Flounder

Let’s review. From this post:

HURR HURR TEH WELFARE FRAUD!!!!!!11!!!

which I replied:

CONFIRMED. FACT!!!!!

Then I posted some examples here:

And your point is?

337 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:36:21am

HURR HURR

338 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:36:40am

Bryan’s got that Bioshock Infinite Constitution.

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:36:42am

re: #331 Flounder

You posted 5 examples. FIVE. Ok then, so five bad apples amongst the millions who use EBT every day?

This is basic probability, not a chronic issue.

340 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:37:05am

re: #334 CriticalDragon1177

They also don’t like it very much when two guys have the hots for each other.

What I haven’t gotten is why they care so much. If two guys or girls want to love each other, that’s awesome. None of my fucking business. And to boot, being a single straight guy lessens the competition. I obviously jest on the latter here but the conservative obsession with the sexual behavior of other people while at the same time complaining that liberals don’t value individual rights is humorous to me.

341 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:37:57am

re: #322 Lord of the Pies

Yeah, he’s totally gonna lose the election.


Election wise, even if true as far as Obama’s reelection is concerned, it won’t matter, since he can’t run for a third term anyway. Although it may pose a problem with the Democrats come next election.

342 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:38:02am

re: #337 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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He really doesn’t want to play that game does he? Ever heard of implied rights, Bryan? Of course, you haven’t because you were playing with yourself during Civics class.

343 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:38:40am

re: #337 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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Is there any right to ANY marriage in the constitution?

344 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:38:51am

Reminds me of this:

345 b.d.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:39:33am

re: #322 Lord of the Pies

Yeah, he’s totally gonna lose the election.

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This is great news for the John McCain campaign.

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:40:32am

re: #343 b.d.

Is there any right to ANY marriage in the constitution?

Nope. Nor is there any mention of Christianity. As I said, Bryan really is barking up the wrong tree if he wants to argue that gay marriage and sodomy are unconstitutional because they’re not mentioned in the Constitution. I really wish the poor fucker would get over his sexual repression and leave the rest of us adults alone. Not my fault that he’s still immature on sexuality because he’s too willfully ignorant to know better.

347 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:40:33am

re: #337 Lord of the Pies

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Buzz off Bryan.

348 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:40:42am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

What I haven’t gotten is why they care so much. If two guys or girls want to love each other, that’s awesome. None of my fucking business. And to boot, being a single straight guy lessens the competition. I obviously jest on the latter here but the conservative obsession with the sexual behavior of other people while at the same time complaining that liberals don’t value individual rights is humorous to me.

Because gay sex is evil. It leads to tornado, Hurricanes, terrorism, and abortion, even through two guys can’t get pregnant. Some how trust me it does!

349 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:40:56am

re: #297 Uncle Obdicut

re: #297 Uncle Obdicut

You can’t help but favor one religion over another when you let people put stuff up on public land. In a town with twenty thousand Christians and one Buddhist, that Buddhist isn’t going to have the time, energy, or resources to put up competing displays.

It is trivially easy to see the actual outcome of allowing displays on public land: The displays are overwhelmingly Christian.

And so what? Why should religious displays be allowed but not satirical ones expressing a concept?

Semantic quibbling aside, do you get the point? If we allow groups to put up displays, then concerning yourself with what it is they display is moot. If they’re free to put up what they like, they’re free to put up what they like. Your support for that shouldn’t depend if you agree on the substance or style.

Why does what you like matter in this conversation?

From the top-
In this hypothetical town, quite unlike major cities that can, do and have displays from various religions, that outcome would still not be a government favoring a religion as long as it’s still shared space as a policy. And nothing stops that Buddist from getting a little help.

The prevalence of so many Christian displays IMHO would be best resolved by more displays like menorahs, and others.

Why does what I like matter in this conversation?

Well because it’s a blog, not an academic paper. I would have respected the alternative I suggested.

350 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:41:19am

And yes, I know that’ s not from the Constitution, but it is from the Declaration of Independence, another vitally important founding document.

351 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:42:47am

re: #333 Uncle Obdicut

Yes. As I said, the problem seems to be that you don’t recognize categorical statements. Does that phrase, ‘categorical statements’, mean anything to you?

Careful, Obdi. Using Sherlock Holmes logic on your current foe doesn’t work very well.

352 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:42:58am

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

Buzz off Bryan.

That’s the Declaration of Independence. Not to nitpick you but the Declaration really isn’t a legal document. More so a declaration to the British crown and parliament that screw you guys, we’re outta here. Not that I disagree though. Fischer misses two things here. The 9th amendment. You know that amendment they ignore while gushing over the 10th and the concept of implied rights. I don’t have the explicit right to get student loans to pay for my college education but it’s still legal and constituional for me to take out loans. Context has never been old Bry’s strong suit.

353 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:43:37am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

I was responding to Targetpractice’s assertion that it doesn’t happen.

354 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:44:00am

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Buzz off Bryan.

Declaration of Independence, not the constitution, but it still enshrines an ideal that goes against Bryan Fischer’s worldview.

355 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:44:13am

re: #348 CriticalDragon1177

Because gay sex is evil. It leads to tornado, Hurricanes, terrorism, and abortion, even through two guys can’t get pregnant. Some how trust me it does!

My favorite is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve to which I respond to if it was Adam and Elizabeth, then it would work?

356 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:44:47am

re: #349 Political Atheist

From the top-
In this hypothetical town, quite unlike major cities that can, do and have displays from various religions, that outcome would still not be a government favoring a religion as long as it’s still shared space as a policy. And nothing stops that Buddist from getting a little help.

The major cities still do not have displays from every religion, and every subsect. You’re missing the point. The effect of violating the first amendment and allowing public land to be used for religious display is that dominant religions get displayed. That is what actually happens.

No clue what you mean by ‘nothing stops that Buddhist from getting a little help’, either.

The prevalence of so many Christian displays IMHO would be best resolved by more displays like menorahs, and others.

How many religions should be displayed?

Well because it’s a blog, not an academic paper. I would have respected the alternative I suggested.

But we’re discussing a constitutional issue, so whether or not you like it doesn’t matter. I don’t like a lot of shit that’s on public land, and it matters not a whit in terms of whether it should be Constitutionally allowed or not. It’s completely and totally irrelevant.

357 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:44:52am

And, if we really want to get down to it, the Constitution says nothing about straight sex either.

358 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:45:05am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

My favorite is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve to which I respond to if it was Adam and Elizabeth, then it would work?

Adam and Marty would work.

359 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:47:57am

This Christmas season, we pause to remember the less fortunate among us.

360 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:49:15am
361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:50:26am

Guess he couldn’t wait any longer for The Rapture:

Controversial preacher Harold Camping dies at 92

362 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:50:42am

re: #353 Flounder

I responded to your comment (a second time) here. It’s more than a response to you though, but it addresses your remark.

364 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:52:26am

re: #344 Lord of the Pies

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Reminds me of this:
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I have these. I like ‘em.
earbag.com

365 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:52:27am

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess he couldn’t wait any longer for The Rapture:

Controversial preacher Harold Camping dies at 92

Maybe it was a one-man deal. He was the ONLY worthy one.

366 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:53:15am

re: #363 Varek Raith

Pat Buchanan: Putin’s Contempt For Gay People Shows He’s “One Of Us”

Mind boggling. Totally mind boggling.

367 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:53:39am

re: #363 Varek Raith

Pat Buchanan: Putin’s Contempt For Gay People Shows He’s “One Of Us”

By one of us, a fellow big government authoritarian like yourself, Pat?, Absolutfukckinglutely, By us a champion of western style democracy and liberty over tyranny, no fucking way dude.

368 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:53:51am

101st Fighting Cupcakes

369 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:54:23am

re: #348 CriticalDragon1177

Because gay sex is evil. It leads to tornado, Hurricanes, terrorism, and abortion, even through two guys can’t get pregnant. Some how trust me it does!

Lesbians get artificially inseminated so that they can have a ritualistic abortion as part of their worship of Satan!

370 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:54:55am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, yeah. I get it, D_F. Anyone on any form of public assistance, even people who are disabled like my wife and myself, are lazy assholes who never worked a day in their lives and live only to cheat honest people out of their money.

We’re sinners and we should be punished.

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372 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:55:57am

re: #363 Varek Raith

Pat Buchanan: Putin’s Contempt For Gay People Shows He’s “One Of Us”

Same-sex marriage is supported by America’s young, but most states still resist it… Only 15 nations out of more than 190 have recognized it.

But I thought America was supposed to be exceptional?

373 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:56:06am

Have to say though the events in Russia leave me with mixed emotions. Glad that we had activists before I was born that fought for LGBT rights and that the sort of thing that is happening in Russia wouldn’t happen here since our population is more supportive of LGBT people. Sad, because Russia and many other parts of the world have so far to go on this issue. Saw on one of the pages that a Russian actor said that gay people should be burned in ovens. I can’t imagine someone like that here talking some disgustingly about other human beings without a firestorm of condemnation but in Russia, it’ll go over fine and the guy will remain a popular celeb over there.

374 Mike Lamb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:56:14am

re: #311 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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This kind of shit is yet another thing that drives me nuts. NEWSFLASH wingnuts—we don’t care WHO has the guns. There are no liberals or socialists or whatever who are now opposed to gun restrictions because the shooters are allegedly liberal. On the flip side, conservatives remain the ones that are pushing gun ownership without accountability.

375 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:56:17am

re: #368 Gus

101st Fighting Cupcakes

376 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:56:52am

re: #375 wrenchwench

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Mmmm cupcakes. My future SiL chose them as the dessert for the wedding on Saturday.

377 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:57:06am

BBIAB

378 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:57:57am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon


Alouette beat you to it.

LIES.

379 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:58:23am

re: #362 wrenchwench

That is very well written, and I don’t disagree one bit. However, there is a right of the road and right of way. Some places shouldn’t be for bikes, and interstates are one of them.

380 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 8:58:54am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Mmmm cupcakes. My future SiL chose them as the dessert for the wedding on Saturday.

Do you have a role in the wedding besides cupcake-eater?

381 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:00:10am

re: #380 wrenchwench

Do you have a role in the wedding besides cupcake-eater?

…No.

382 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:00:53am

re: #379 Flounder

That is very well written, and I don’t disagree one bit. However, there is a right of the road and right of way. Some places shouldn’t be for bikes, and interstates are one of them.

Except in rural areas where it’s the only choice. In urban areas there are lots of better choices.

What I didn’t say was that your comment sounded like, ‘go play in the street, kid’, which I think accounts for all the downdings.

383 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:01:02am

I could see myself going to a wedding purely for cupcakes.

What? Don’t judge me!

384 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:01:22am

HURR HURR

Bryan, Time’s Person Of The Year thinks what you wrote here is Teh Suck:

385 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:01:36am

re: #375 wrenchwench

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Cupcakehee!

386 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:03:28am

re: #380 wrenchwench

Do you have a role in the wedding besides cupcake-eater?

Yeah I’m going to be Best Man since his best friend is going to be godfather to their daughter.

387 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:03:48am

re: #384 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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So they’re going to fire all those people and do the work themselves because of an extra 80 bucks a month? A business would actually do that?

388 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:03:55am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m going to be Best Man since his best friend is going to be godfather to their daughter.

Holding a cupcake.

389 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:04:18am

re: #385 Gus

Cupcakehee!

Parachutes are harder to find…

Not exactly fit for the purpose at hand….

390 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:04:27am

re: #384 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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We’re to believe Bryan Fischer cares about the little guy? Have you ever put it through your tiny brain Bryan that the reason why employers won’t want to pay employees ten dollars a hour is because of their own greed, you stupid fuck?

391 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:04:32am

re: #382 wrenchwench

It wasn’t meant that way. I think about it like physics, a bike and rider is about 300 pounds (teehee I wish!) going about 30 mph. A tractor trailer doing 70 mph with a 30 ton load on don’t mix!

392 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:04:48am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m going to be Best Man since his best friend is going to be godfather to their daughter.

OOOh, cool! Got a tux?

393 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:05:26am

re: #387 Gus

So because they’re going to fire all those people and do the work themselves because of an extra 80 bucks a month? A business would actually do that?

HERITAGE SAYS SO IT’S CONFIRMED!!!! FACT!!!111!!

394 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:05:35am

re: #389 wrenchwench

Parachutes are harder to find…

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Not exactly fit for the purpose at hand….

What about mouse parachutes like they used in Guam?

They actually used stringers.

395 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:05:38am

re: #388 Varek Raith

Holding a cupcake.

Yep. Man I hate the holdiays on a diet. I have two holiday parties on Thursday with good but heavy in calorie food. Now the good news is I finally did check in at under 200 pounds just in time for the wedding and the New YEar.

396 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:06:15am

re: #392 wrenchwench

OOOh, cool! Got a tux?

Got a suit. Looks great.

397 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:06:19am

re: #391 Flounder

It wasn’t meant that way. I think about it like physics, a bike and rider is about 300 pounds (teehee I wish!) going about 30 mph. A tractor trailer doing 70 mph with a 30 ton load on don’t mix!

As I said, overtaking accidents are not the greatest hazard. A tractor-trailer can wipe out a minivan full of kids, too, but they aren’t banned from the road.

398 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:06:23am

“Welp. Guess we have to fire all of our warehouse staff and make Joe the manager do all the work.”

Yep.

399 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:06:59am
400 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:07:09am

re: #398 Gus

“Welp. Guess we have to fire all of our warehouse staff and make Joe the manager do all the work.”

Yep.

Yep makes sense if the only economics you’ve ever read is a selective interpretation of what capitalism should be.

401 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:07:26am

Wow what a shitty Photoshop. Whose arms are those?

402 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:07:50am

re: #387 Gus

So because they’re going to fire all those people and do the work themselves because of an extra 80 bucks a month? A business would actually do that?

Businesses that can are going to figure out a way to fire as many of them as possible anyway. It’s been going on for decades, and has nothing to do with the minimum wage.

Try calling customer service at any business you choose and see for yourself.

403 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:08:19am

“Welcome to Best Buy. Please take a number since we only have one sales person available because we had to fire our sales staff because of the new minimum wage. Your wait time will be 30 minutes.”

Yep. That would be great for sales.

404 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:08:40am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Yep. Man I hate the holdiays on a diet. I have two holiday parties on Thursday with good but heavy in calorie food. Now the good news is I finally did check in at under 200 pounds just in time for the wedding and the New YEar.

My goal is just to maintain until January. So far, so good, but we started baking Christmas cookies….. the first batch was entirely experimental, which means they had to be eaten for scientific purposes.

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:09:13am

re: #398 Gus

“Welp. Guess we have to fire all of our warehouse staff and make Joe the manager do all the work.”

Yep.

“Well, let’s just fire all our burger flippers and waitstaff and install one of those automated burger-making dispensing machines!’

“Whattayamean we gotta pay somebody $200K for maintenance?”

406 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:09:47am

re: #403 Gus

“Welcome to Best Buy. Please take a number since we only have one sales person available because we had to fire our sales staff because of the new minimum wage. Your wait time will be 30 minutes.”

Yep. That would be great for sales.

The funniest part of this comment to me is the implication that Best Buy’s current business model isn’t already driving them to extinction.

407 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:10:33am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Got a suit. Looks great.

Got a speech for the toast?

408 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:10:41am

re: #403 Gus

In my experience companies love to “toe the line” and try to see the absolute minimum amount of staff they can get by with. In other words they ask: “How long can we make our customers wait before they get really pissed off?”
And then target a time about two minutes shy of that.

409 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:10:54am

Who remembers the ‘00’s when all the big corporations thought it was a great idea to move their call centers and tech support teams overseas!

410 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:11:32am

re: #403 Gus

“Welcome to Best Buy. Please take a number since we only have one sales person available because we had to fire our sales staff because of the new minimum wage. Your wait time will be 30 minutes.”

Yep. That would be great for sales.

Circuit City got rid of all their commissioned salespeople and replaced them with minimum wage drones. Then Circuit City went out of business.

However, getting rid of hourly staff and replacing them with people with the title “manager” allows the business to make them work overtime with no additional compensation, because that’s part of being a “manager”.

411 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:11:36am

re: #405 Lord of the Pies

“Well, let’s just fire all our burger flippers and waitstaff and install one of those automated burger-making dispansing machines!’

“Whattayamean we gotta pay somebody $200K for maintenance?”

“Help! Our automated burger making machine is down and we need to get it fixed ASAP!”

“Would next Tuesday work for you?”

“NEXT TUESDAY? WE CAN’T WAIT THAT LONG!!”

412 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:12:12am

I’d like to see all the businesses that have been driven to extinction because of higher wages in places like the UK, Scandinavia, etc. I don’t realistically expect a 15.00 minimum wage but the fact our minimum wage is far beyond what it was adjusted for inflation years ago is absurd. There’s no reason why today’s teenagers should make the same wage I did ten years ago with the rise in prices. The excuse that we shouldn’t raise the minimum wage because it’s bad for teenage workers is just a pathetic excuse put out by people who want to pay their employees less or have no problem with a such a system.

413 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:12:56am

re: #407 wrenchwench

Got a speech for the toast?

I am not sure yet. It’s going to be pretty unconventional since we’re having the wedding at my folks’ place. i’ve never been much on speeches though.

414 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:13:09am

So basically a couple of you are saying that Heritage might have a point. They can actually fire people because of this.

415 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:13:17am

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Yep makes sense if the only economics you’ve ever read is a selective interpretation of what capitalism should be.

There is labor as a commodity and there is the social value of labor: something that a people can be required to do to support themselves, but they should also be able to do it in safety and in dignity.

And part of that dignity means being able to support themselves and their families on the wages they earn. And not to have to work two or three jobs and have have no time to raise their family.

If we do not compel employers to pay a liveable minimum wage, the burden of supporting the families and an inordinate share of the burden of raising them is dumped on taxpayers.

But modern capitalism is all about privatizing profits and socializing costs.

416 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:13:31am

re: #411 Gus

“Help! Our automated burger making machine is down and we need to get it fixed ASAP!”

“Would next Tuesday work for you?”

“NEXT TUESDAY? WE CAN’T WAIT THAT LONG!!”

“…It’ll be about two weeks.”

/

417 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:13:58am

So my birthday is on Thursday, should I bake a pie, bake a cake or buy a cake for my co-workers to enjoy?

418 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:14:22am

California’s minimum wage is going up to $10/hour. Guess when it will hit that figure…

2016.

OMG! ZOMG!

419 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:14:26am

re: #415 Sol Berdinowitz

If we do not compel employers to pay a minimum wage, the burden of supporting the families and an inordinate share of the burden of raising them is dumped on taxpayers.

This is already happening even WITH a minimum wage.

420 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:14:54am

re: #417 Lord of the Pies

A pie…assuming you’re not burned out on baking pies. If you are, then go for the cake.

421 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:15:12am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

This is already happening even WITH a minimum wage.

lemme fix that to a “liveable minimum wage”

422 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:16:23am

re: #420 Eclectic Cyborg

A pie…assuming you’re not burned out on baking pies. If you are, then go for the cake.

I asked my co-workers “What’s your favorite pie?” thinking if there was a consensus I would bake that pie, but everyone like a different pie.

Now I can bake a cake or buy one from the bakery. I suck at cake decorating, but bakery cakes are Teh Expensif.

423 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:16:44am

re: #414 Gus

So basically a couple of you are saying that Heritage might have a point. They can actually fire people because of this.

In a right to work state you can be fired at any time, regardless of reason. Companies WILL fire employees to cut costs associated with new regulations and legislation. We’ve seen it again and again and again.

424 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:17:20am

re: #421 Sol Berdinowitz

lemme fix that to a “liveable minimum wage”

Better :P

425 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:17:28am

WTFITS

426 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:18:10am

Ann they had already achieved “peace” at that time you ignorant piece of shit.

427 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:18:39am

re: #426 Lord of the Pies

I could not stand being married to that woman.

428 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:18:51am

re: #426 Lord of the Pies

Ann they had already achieved “peace” at that time you ignorant piece of shit.

GOP = Conservative.

429 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:19:05am

re: #427 Eclectic Cyborg

I could not stand being married to that woman.

How much did you soak her for in the divorce settlement?

430 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:21:43am

re: #425 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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This is just so stupid and shows that Coulter knows nothing about the Lincoln assassination conspiracy. IT wasn’t just about killing Lincoln. It was about killing Lincoln, Johnson, Seward, and Grant(who was originally supposed to be there that night). It was about killing the Union’s leadership and causing chaos. Not “peace.” And the actor dig is stupid given the right’s own veneration of a certain actor turned president.

431 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:23:12am

Trying to understand Ann Coulter is like trying to make sense of a dream. Perhaps a nightmare would be more appropriate.

432 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #431 Gus

Trying to understand Ann Coulter is like trying to make sense of a dream. Perhaps a nightmare would be more appropriate.

I think even Freud would give up on her.

433 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:09am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

I think even Freud would give up on her.

Ann Coulter is the big giant raccoon fart of right wing punditry.

434 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:21am

For history buffs:

Today is the 151st anniversary of “General Orders #11” the only Anti-Semitic government act in U.S. history.

I had an entire page with all the documentations on “General Orders #11” but the HTML on that page is fucked up and all the text got squashed into a narrow column.

I’ll have to fix it when I get home.

435 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:24am

re: #431 Gus

Trying to understand Ann Coulter is like trying to make sense of a dream. Perhaps a nightmare would be more appropriate.

She is very straightforward: she has an audience that will pay for the things she says and writes and she says and writes what they approve of.

She sometimes dismisses it as satire or humor, although her white sheet was showing with her famous “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity” quote.

436 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:39am

re: #410 Skip Intro

Circuit City got rid of all their commissioned salespeople and replaced them with minimum wage drones. Then Circuit City went out of business.

However, getting rid of hourly staff and replacing them with people with the title “manager” allows the business to make them work overtime with no additional compensation, because that’s part of being a “manager”.

unless and until the NLRB rules. It’s a clear abuse, the difficulty is getting it to the NLRB while that board is functional.

437 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:57am

re: #434 Lord of the Pies

For history buffs:

Today is the 101st anniversary of “General Orders #11” the only Anti-Semitic government act in U.S. history.

For which US Grant apologized profusely and worked to redeem himself over.

438 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:28:59am

re: #417 Lord of the Pies

So my birthday is on Thursday, should I bake a pie, bake a cake or buy a cake for my co-workers to enjoy?

Cupcakes!

439 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:30:14am

re: #417 Lord of the Pies

It’s your burfday, take the day off!

440 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:30:39am

re: #437 Sol Berdinowitz

For which US Grant apologized profusely and worked to redeem himself over.

And which President Lincoln immediately rescinded as soon as he found out about it.

441 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:31:08am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

I am not sure yet. It’s going to be pretty unconventional since we’re having the wedding at my folks’ place. i’ve never been much on speeches though.

You may be called upon….Ideally you say something funny yet touching about the groom and what a great spouse he’ll make, and what a lucky SOB he is for having convinced the lovely bride to marry him.

442 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:31:51am

re: #425 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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She’s set it up so she always wins. If they were unsuccessful they weren’t assassins. If they were successful then no matter what you find and put together, “no true scotsman right winger” applies.

443 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:32:01am

re: #434 Lord of the Pies

For history buffs:

Today is the 101st anniversary of “General Orders #11” the only Anti-Semitic government act in U.S. history.

I had an entire page with all the documentations on “General Orders #11” but the HTML on that page is fucked up and all the text got squashed into a narrow column.

I’ll have to fix it when I get home.

I think you mis-typed a date anniversary number. Not much Lincoln and Grant in the year 1912.

[PIMF’d]

444 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:33:44am

re: #443 erik_t

I think you mis-typed a date. Not much Lincoln and Grant in the year 1912.

Where do you see 1912?

445 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:34:25am

re: #434 Lord of the Pies

For history buffs:

Today is the 101st anniversary of “General Orders #11” the only Anti-Semitic government act in U.S. history.

Appropriate to the thread.

446 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:34:44am

re: #444 Lord of the Pies

Where do you see 1912?

151st anniversary perhaps?

447 Flounder  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:35:03am

who stoled my calculator?!

448 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:36:21am

re: #443 erik_t

I think you mis-typed a date. Not much Lincoln and Grant in the year 1912.

In the post. OK corrected.

Should I page it?

449 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:37:23am

PWN3D!

450 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:37:56am

re: #448 Lord of the Pies

#LGFconfessions: I have never made a page and I do not know the proper etiquette and conventions for these things.

451 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:39:12am

re: #450 erik_t

#LGFconfessions: I have never made a page and I do not know the proper etiquette and conventions for these things.

There’s a Page for that.

452 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:39:16am

I’ll page it later tonight when I can correct the HTML on the history page. How did that happen? I use the same template for all my pages.

453 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:39:18am

re: #450 erik_t

It’s really quite simple.

454 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:40:57am

HEY BRYAN

455 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:41:43am

re: #426 Lord of the Pies

Ann they had already achieved “peace” at that time you ignorant piece of shit.

Don’t take her seriously. I don’t think she herself believes a word of what she says.

The real scary ones are the Bryan Fischers and and Rafael Cruzes and David Bartons and Larry Klaymans of the world. I think they actually believe the loony shit they say.

456 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:42:44am

re: #455 Ian G.

Don’t take her seriously. I don’t think she herself believes a word of what she says.

The real scary ones are the Bryan Fischers and and Rafael Cruzes and David Bartons and Larry Klaymans of the world. I think they actually believe the loony shit they say.

All together, they don’t get the same amount of TV time or sell as many books as Ann Coulter.

457 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:43:53am

What if, Bryan? Well a bunch of libruls would complain that a white kid put on blackface.

458 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:45:07am

re: #454 Lord of the Pies

HEY BRYAN

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That’s the assbag who said he’d deny communion to John Kerry in 2004.

Good. Fuck ‘im.

459 Ian G.  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:45:31am

re: #454 Lord of the Pies

Hmm. I wonder if Francis is going to start purging the most blatant GOP lackeys in the church. It’s good to start with the fool who decided to deny John Kerry communion.

460 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:45:34am

re: #457 Lord of the Pies

Bryan, we need to have the real vs. fake discussion my friend.

The fact is, the commonly accepted image of Santa Claus as we know it today came not from Russian or Catholic mythology, but from the Coca-Cola corporation.

461 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:45:50am

re: #356 Uncle Obdicut
So we see this quite differently. Okay.
By the Buddhist could get some help, i meant he could contact like minded people and ask for money or to borrow a display. As long as the law allows any religion to display not one over another by policy, his limitation of resources is on him, not the government or the constitution.

As long as the law/policy allows various displays, secular, religious etc I don’t see it as supporting anything but the use of a park by various people.

The fact we don’t have all of them in there need not mean we can’t have any.

What harm is done by these visual displays? I don’t understand the practical basis for objecting.

462 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:46:03am

re: #457 Lord of the Pies

What if, Bryan? Well a bunch of libruls would complain that a white kid put on blackface.

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Bryan has a hard time separating real people from fictional characters, like Santa or White Jesus.

463 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:46:19am

re: #460 Eclectic Cyborg

Bryan, we need to have the real vs. fake discussion my friend.

The fact is, the commonly accepted image of Santa Claus as we know it today came not from Russian or Catholic mythology, but from the Coca-Cola corporation.

Don’t confuse that poor fuckwit with things like facts, his head might explode.

464 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:47:18am

re: #459 Ian G.

Hmm. I wonder if Francis is going to start purging the most blatant GOP lackeys in the church. It’s good to start with the fool who decided to deny John Kerry communion.

I remember that. It’s a good move. That Cardinal politicized things way too much and Francis’ message seems to be about the humanity of Catholicism rather than a more political strand offered by his predecessors.

465 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:47:21am
467 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:50:21am

How about a break for some Ethereal Landscape.

468 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:50:36am

re: #457 Lord of the Pies

What if, Bryan? Well a bunch of libruls would complain that a white kid put on blackface.

What if a white kid wanted to play Jackie Robinson or Martin Luther King, Jr.?

Bryan, do you know the difference between a mythical figure, loosely based on a real historical figure, whose appearance is based on tradition, and convention, and a historical figure whose race is vital to his role in history?

469 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:51:02am

Bryan Fischer barely has an audience with the RWNJs. Rafael Cruz is practically non existent in that field. It’s a toss up between Ann Coulter and David Barton. David Barton gets a big audience because of Glenn Beck. Ann Coulter still has a huge audience. As far as creating damage to society she has Fischer and Cruz beat by a mile.

470 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:51:17am

re: #461 Political Atheist

So we see this quite differently. Okay.
By the Buddhist could get some help, i meant he could contact like minded people and ask for money or to borrow a display. As long as the law allows any religion to display not one over another by policy, his limitation of resources is on him, not the government or the constitution.

Yes. That’s my point. If we allow any religion to display, then what we get is the dominant religions seizing that space. That’s the actual, real-world, trivially observable effect. For some reason, what actually happens seems not to matter much to you.

The fact we don’t have all of them in there need not mean we can’t have any.

You didn’t answer my question. I asked which religious displays we should have on public land. Do you care to answer this question? Which religions should get displays?

What harm is done by these visual displays? I don’t understand the practical basis for objecting.

It is really staggering to me that in this day and age, when we have anti-abortion laws clearly sourced in religion, when we have idiots teaching creationism in schools, when we have a thousand and one interference of religion in the public space, that you can ask what harm there is in normalizing Christianity in the public space as the public religion. That is the problem. If you go to a park and there’s crosses, that says, “Christianity is the religion of this nation.” It’s like asking what the problem is in the lack of minority representation in media, except worse because this supported by the public.

Ideas and symbols have power. Acting as though they don’t is foolish.

To put it another way: If there’s no harm in having them, then what’s the harm in not having them? Who is harmed by their displays not being up in public parks? What is the harm to them?

471 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:55:03am

OK, don’t hate me for this, but I like fruitcake.

Threw caution to the winds and bought a small Claxton fruit cake for myself to be doled out a small slice a day, since no one else wants any. They always made the best ones that I recall having.

Not as nutty or moist as I remember from years ago.

Claxton has a very interesting history. en.wikipedia.org

See? Everything changes over time.

472 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:55:59am

re: #471 Justanotherhuman

OK, don’t hate me for this, but I like fruitcake.

Threw caution to the winds and bought a small Claxton fruit cake for myself to be doled out a small slice a day, since no one else wants any. They always made the best ones that I recall having.

Not as nutty or moist as I remember from years ago.

Claxton has a very interesting history. en.wikipedia.org

See? Everything changes over time.

Except fruitcake

473 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:56:17am

re: #471 Justanotherhuman

OK, don’t hate me for this, but I like fruitcake.
.

I don’t hate you. But, now I don’t trust you.

474 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:56:41am

re: #471 Justanotherhuman

OK, don’t hate me for this, but I like fruitcake.

Threw caution to the winds and bought a small Claxton fruit cake for myself to be doled out a small slice a day, since no one else wants any. They always made the best ones that I recall having.

Not as nutty or moist as I remember from years ago.

Claxton has a very interesting history. en.wikipedia.org

See? Everything changes over time.

Were you like really, really poor?

475 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:58:50am

re: #473 Dr. Matt

I don’t hate you. But, now I don’t trust you.

That was LOL funny!

476 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:00:38am

In German tradition the Christstollen, the Christmas fruitcake is supposed to symbolize the Christ Child wrapped in swaddling clothes. So yes, fruitcake is a very disturbing form of symbolic child cannibalism

477 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:00:59am

re: #474 Lord of the Pies

Were you like really, really poor?

Actually, yes, we were really, really poor. I didn’t know what a salad was until I was an adult.

478 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:07:11am

HURR HURR ARE RELIJUS FREEDUMS MEANS WE HAS TO BE DICKS TO GAY & TRANS PEOPLE

479 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:08:27am

Ann Coulter is the image that comes to mind when I think of “Lilith” the night creatures or succubus.

RBS
Anything that pale and thin can’t be of this earth.

480 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:09:50am

re: #470 Uncle Obdicut

Yes. That’s my point. If we allow any religion to display, then what we get is the dominant religions seizing that space. That’s the actual, real-world, trivially observable effect. For some reason, what actually happens seems not to matter much to you.

You didn’t answer my question. I asked which religious displays we should have on public land. Do you care to answer this question? Which religions should get displays?

It is really staggering to me that in this day and age, when we have anti-abortion laws clearly sourced in religion, when we have idiots teaching creationism in schools, when we have a thousand and one interference of religion in the public space, that you can ask what harm there is in normalizing Christianity in the public space as the public religion. That is the problem. If you go to a park and there’s crosses, that says, “Christianity is the religion of this nation.” It’s like asking what the problem is in the lack of minority representation in media, except worse because this supported by the public.

Ideas and symbols have power. Acting as though they don’t is foolish.

To put it another way: If there’s no harm in having them, then what’s the harm in not having them? Who is harmed by their displays not being up in public parks? What is the harm to them?

I thought I had made clear that I support universal access. Religions, secular displays etc.

As a lighter note and aside-Heh, I wish I could soundbite “Bain” in that evil voice “you think your money gives you power over me?”

The displays of religions have no power over me. They only have the power I choose to grant them. My point is that with our religious freedom comes an obligation to tolerate the others. Which becomes most important the more we disagree with the tenets of said religion. It’s easy to tolerate those just like you.

And that’s the beauty of allowing a monkey god symbol in a park in Oklahoma.

481 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:10:00am

re: #478 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR ARE RELIJUS FREEDUMS MEANS WE HAS TO BE DICKS TO GAY & TRANS PEOPLE

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Religious liberty isn’t firing people at will because of your bigotry asshole.

482 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:10:26am

re: #478 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR ARE RELIJUS FREEDUMS MEANS WE HAS TO BE DICKS TO GAY & TRANS PEOPLE

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Freedom for your religion stops where practicing your religion means harming others. We do not allow thuggee or mayan sacrifice, we do not allow arasutra enslavement, and we will not allow your version of Christianity’s denial of human or legal rights.

483 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:11:27am

Coultergeist is a hack who realized early on that making outrageous statements sold more books and got her airtime on Foxtard and am hate radio. In many ways, she is the Eve of the Teabag Party.

484 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:11:41am
485 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:12:24am

re: #483 Dr. Matt

Coultergeist is a hack who realized early on that making outrageous statements sold more books and got her airtime on Foxtard and am hate radio. In many ways, she is the Eve of the Teabag Party.

Rush, I presume, is Adam?

486 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:12:26am
487 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:12:36am

re: #482 kirkspencer

Freedom for your religion stops where practicing your religion means harming others. We do not allow thuggee or mayan sacrifice, we do not allow arasutra enslavement, and we will not allow your version of Christianity’s denial of human or legal rights.

Yes, this.

488 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:13:06am

re: #485 erik_t

Rush, I presume, is Adam?

That made me throw up in my mouth.

489 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:15:18am

re: #485 erik_t

Rush, I presume, is Adam?

They’re the Mutt & Jeff of the RWNJs.

490 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:15:35am

Wow hearing that Frank Wolf is going to retire. That’s going to be a competitive race to replace him.

491 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:16:02am

re: #489 Justanotherhuman

They’re the Mutt & Jeff of the RWNJs.

I was thinking Dumb and Dumber but Harry and Lloyd were good people at heart.

492 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:16:07am

re: #485 erik_t

Rush, I presume, is Adam?

*shudders at the thought of those two procreating*

493 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:17:18am

re: #489 Justanotherhuman

They’re the Mutt & Jeff of the RWNJs.

They’re the Leopold & Loeb of the RWNJ’s.

494 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:18:06am

MSNBC reporting Blackhawk helipcopter down in Afghanistan due to mechanical failure. Six Americans killed by militants.

495 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:18:55am

re: #480 Political Atheist

I thought I had made clear that I support universal access. Religions, secular displays etc.

So every single religion should be put on display in every park where there is any religious display?

Is the fact that this is not actually possible a problem for you?

The displays of religions have no power over me. They only have the power I choose to grant them. My point is that with our religious freedom comes an obligation to tolerate the others. Which becomes most important the more we disagree with the tenets of said religion. It’s easy to tolerate those just like you.

Displays of religion do actually have power, propaganda does actually have power. Congrats on being a rock and island who is unmoved by such things, but it’s trivial to demonstrate that propaganda and symbology in public has actual effects, like, for example, on voting. So this isn’t really an answer.

496 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:19:01am

re: #494 Justanotherhuman

MSNBC reporting Blackhawk helipcopter down in Afghanistan due to mechanical failure. Six Americans killed by militants.

Cue Alex Jones……

RIP.

497 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:20:23am

re: #496 Dr. Matt

Cue Alex Jones……

RIP.

He’s got the False Flag statement prepared but mind you it is lunch time in his lair.

498 Skip Intro  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:21:06am

re: #462 Kragar

Bryan has a hard time separating real people from fictional characters, like Santa or White Jesus.

So does Bill O’Reilly.

“Bill O’Reilly: Santa Is White “

huffingtonpost.com

But we still don’t know how the tides work.

499 William of Orange  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:25:47am

Wal-Mart Is Selling An Occupy Wall Street Poster…

Occupy Wall Street has spent over two years now protesting the greed of big corporations, including Wal-Mart for low wages, anti-worker tactics, high CEO-to-worker pay ratio and reliance on government programs to feed workers. Now, in an ironic twist, Wal-Mart is selling a poster portraying the protests in New York City. “Quite possibly the only thing funnier than being able to purchase a Ché Guevara tee shirt at a big box chain store would be the ability to buy a panoramic poster featuring Occupy Wall Street’s encampment in Lower Manhattan from that chain,” writes Andrew Kirell at Mediaite.

Hat tip Crooks and Liars.

500 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:25:58am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

He’s got the False Flag statement prepared but mind you it is lunch time in his lairliar.

Isn’t is amazing, you could use either word and it still makes sense.

RBS

501 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:26:52am

re: #500 RealityBasedSteve

Isn’t is amazing, you could use either word and it still makes sense.

RBS

Haha indeed.

502 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:34:27am

re: #495 Uncle Obdicut

So every single religion should be put on display in every park where there is any religious display?

Is the fact that this is not actually possible a problem for you?

Displays of religion do actually have power, propaganda does actually have power. Congrats on being a rock and island who is unmoved by such things, but it’s trivial to demonstrate that propaganda and symbology in public has actual effects, like, for example, on voting. So this isn’t really an answer.

How is it you took that to mean all religions all the time? My stated point is a policy of universal access, obviously on request.

If these simple passive displays of logos are so powerful and harmful, then we have the same harm being done on top of the church on the roadside, or the star displayed in front of the temple. I don’t see the power or the harm there.

When I asked what the harm is you just asked the opposite question. I’ll answer first. The harm by banning these displays in public spaces is denying a 1st amendment exercise. One that would promote the tolerance we need to encourage.

Again, I ask you what is the practical harm done by the displays? And then, if we must ban religious displays then we must ban partisan political displays as well. Or else we are discriminating against religion in general. Banning the displays strikes me as an anti religious policy.

503 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:41:38am

re: #502 Political Atheist

How is it you took that to mean all religions all the time? My stated point is a policy of universal access, obviously on request.

Why obviously on request? That doesn’t really make any sense. Why not just all the displays of the religion of the people in our country?

And if ‘on request’, then why are you also kicking and fuming about certain religions asking for representation, like the FSM?

If these simple passive displays of logos are so powerful and harmful, then we have the same harm being done on top of the church on the roadside, or the star displayed in front of the temple. I don’t see the power or the harm there.

Again, it’s trivially demonstrable: For example, if you vote in a church, the way that you vote will change compared if you’re voting in a nuetral location. It’s baffling that you’re actually arguing that symbols have no meaning or power, because if they didn’t, people wouldn’t want to put them up in the first place.

When I asked what the harm is you just asked the opposite question. I’ll answer first. The harm by banning these displays in public spaces is denying a 1st amendment exercise. One that would promote the tolerance we need to encourage.

No, banning them is enforcing the first amendment. There is no harm in banning them on public land, at all. Nobody loses anything. You haven’t been able to name anything that is lost.

Again, I ask you what is the practical harm done by the displays? And then, if we must ban religious displays then we must ban partisan political displays as well.

Please explain the logic of this, with reference to the first amendment and its separation of church and state. I also am not sure what you mean: can you give an example of a partisan political display that’s allowed in a public park?

Or else we are discriminating against religion in general. Banning the displays strikes me as an anti religious policy.

Banning religious displays on private ground would be anti-religious policy. Banning them on public spaces is not.

504 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:42:48am

re: #382 wrenchwench

Except in rural areas where it’s the only choice. In urban areas there are lots of better choices.

What I didn’t say was that your comment sounded like, ‘go play in the street, kid’, which I think accounts for all the downdings.

I think the safest urban choice is something more than a painted line. These get ignored much too often, parked in “just for a few minutes”, and other issues where cars can essentially use/block the lane. It’s not a simple problem; there are roughly three classes of traveler (pedestrian, bicycle, automobile) with vastly different capabilities and needs regarding space, speed, parking and maneuverability competing for limited space and right of way.

505 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:53:50am

Woops, moved.

506 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:17:52am

re: #155 Uncle Obdicut

That was a shitty decision. The fact that your own life problems make you less sympathetic to others in bad situations, rather than more is deeply troubling. I completely agree that your stressful situation sounds bad, but it palls in comparison to the stressful situation of a poor person trying to raise a child. Your solution—to scold and fingerwag at the poor person and tell them they shouldn’t have had a kid—is stupid, pointless, mean, and does absolutely nothing, not a damn thing, to help anyone, not even yourself.

Posting on the internet is not some reflex action. In order to write the words and decide to post them, there’s a series of complex actions necessary. You, as you often do, are declining to take responsibility for your actions, instead constructing this rationalization of why you made this shitty choice, and the horribe hypocrisy of it is that you’re doing this about a post that you made chiding others for personal responsibility.

So make up your mind whether you actually want to be an absolutist about personal responsibility, and if you do, then don’t include this pity-party sort of excuse for your bad behavior.

AS usual, you have the words —and in the right order!

507 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:38:20pm

re: #503 Uncle Obdicut

Okay we are not going to agree. I’ll just counter what you said above as I honestly see it.

My polling place is in a church. Obviously the government has no issue with that, whatever your stats might imply.

Public parks and public spaces I would argue are the heart of the 1st. Just ask Occupy. And I have seen signs for candidates placed in parks, and rallies for candidates and PACs in parks. Protests happen in parks. What part of that would imply religion (uniquely) is unwelcome as a 1st amendment exercise in a park?

This is the very first time I have ever seen prior restraint suggested to me as a 1st Amendment act. Can you cite any other examples?

508 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:40:57pm

Welp, the thread is dying out. Anyone but Uncle care about this discussion?

509 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:46:04pm

re: #507 Political Atheist

Okay we are not going to agree. I’ll just counter what you said above as I honestly see it.

My polling place is in a church. Obviously the government has no issue with that, whatever your stats might imply.

Yes, and this is a problem we need to fix. It’s one of the many ways our government still has a failure of state-church separation, this one being glaringly, glaringly obvious.

Public parks and public spaces I would argue are the heart of the 1st. Just ask Occupy. And I have seen signs for candidates placed in parks, and rallies for candidates and PACs in parks. Protests happen in parks. What part of that would imply religion (uniquely) is unwelcome as a 1st amendment exercise in a park?

Because the first amendment particularly forbids the government from favoring any religion, and allowing particular religious displays favors particular religions above others. You seem to be conflating religion with speech. That is an unwise conflation.

This is the very first time I have ever seen prior restraint suggested to me as a 1st Amendment act. Can you cite any other examples?

Have no clue what you mean.

510 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:56:17pm
This is the very first time I have ever seen prior restraint suggested to me as a 1st Amendment act. Can you cite any other examples?

Have no clue what you mean.

Why not? No clue at all?!

I think our chat has become just us.

You claim the 1st forbids a religious display in a park. That’s not at all clear even a matter of current law, and forbidding the display in advance is prior restraint. I can have made a good argument the opposite is so. Only if the government favors one religion over another do we have a problem.

All this over a menorah at a park. Wow. And banning polling places in church? That’s really radical new ground.

511 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:02:52pm

re: #510 Political Atheist

This is the very first time I have ever seen prior restraint suggested to me as a 1st Amendment act. Can you cite any other examples?

Have no clue what you mean.

Why not? No clue at all?!

I think our chat has become just us.

And you know, I’m fine with that. I don’t know why you need an audience.

You claim the 1st forbids a religious display in a park. That’s not at all clear even a matter of current law, and forbidding the display in advance is prior restraint. I can have made a good argument the opposite is so. Only if the government favors one religion over another do we have a problem.

Heh. “Prior restraint” is in effect for anything on display in a park, though, you always have to get a permit first. You know that’s prior restraint, right? And again, the actual effect is that one religion is favored over another. Just like the voting rights amendment stuff, I prefer to look at the actual, real-world results of policy rather than the idealized irrelevancy of the perfect world.

All this over a menorah at a park. Wow. And banning polling places in church? That’s really radical new ground.

All of this is not over a menorah at a park. It is about the fact, as I’ve repeatedly said, that the majority of displays tend to be overwhelmingly Christian. Since i haven’t mentioned menorahs once, it seems very odd that you’d say all this was about a menorah at a park. Can you explain, in the context of me talking about crosses and Christian symbols, why you are saying this is all about a menorah in a park?

It is also really funny that the idea of not having religious places also be where we vote is ‘radical’. Why is that radical, when we know it has an effect on voters? What is radical about it?

512 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:27:16pm
Can you explain, in the context of me talking about crosses and Christian symbols, why you are saying this is all about a menorah in a park?

You have really missed the heart of my point. Truly. Dude I’m fine with you disagreeing. I respect your view.

In my view one could easily substitute any of the recognized religions in the conversation. my point was never about Christian symbols. it is about the official policy of who has access. In my view the 1st calls for reasonably unrestricted access. If we are going to allow big protests or political rallies, then if we don’t allow religious displays or gatherings we are showing discrimination right there. that is unequal access.

It is also really funny that the idea of not having religious places also be where we vote is ‘radical’. Why is that radical, when we know it has an effect on voters? What is radical about it?


Glad my point of view provides some amusement to you. That’s me the entertainer. \

If a church or temple is kind enough to offer to share a meeting room on the property for an election (very, very common practice) I think any effect on the vote is way below the radar of necessarily concern. In the last election I can see an objection to a Mormon church, but not a Buddhist temple. Or synagogue.

Can you show me where an elections outcome was changed by this polling on church property factor? Or any bills sponsored to address this concern? Now I am curious as to how big a factor this is thought to be, and the underlying science.

513 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:31:11pm

re: #512 Political Atheist

You have really missed the heart of my point. Truly. Dude I’m fine with you disagreeing. I respect your view.

In my view one could easily substitute >any of the recognized religions in the conversation. my point was never about Christian symbols. it is about the official policy of who has access. In my view the 1st calls for reasonably unrestricted access. If we are going to allow big protests or political rallies, then if we don’t allow religious displays or gatherings we are showing discrimination right there. that is unequal access.

Except that religion is treated differently in the first amendment, and you’re just ignoring that.

If a church or temple is kind enough to offer to share a meeting room on the property for an election (very, very common practice) I think any effect on the vote is way below the radar of necessarily concern. In the last election I can see an objection to a Mormon church, but not a Buddhist temple. Or synagogue.

You ‘think’ this based on no actual knowledge of the data, right?

Can you show me where an elections outcome was changed by this polling on church property factor? Or any bills sponsored to address this concern? Now I am curious as to how big a factor this is thought to be, and the underlying science.

Here is a very well-done paper on the subject.


514 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:40:24pm

re: #513 Uncle Obdicut

I’ll read through. But help me out a little, what election if any is this thought to have changed the outcome?

Oh and on the legality-from your link.

Generally, courts have upheld the use of churches as polling places as long as there are reasonable alternatives for those objecting to entering a church to vote, such as absentee voting.

Okay nobody, not one other person expressed interest in this discussion. I think we could call this one done for now.

the paper makes a good case for a subtle effect. Looks tiny. Reading further.

515 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:48:00pm

re: #514 Political Atheist

I’ll read through. But help me out a little, what election if any is this thought to have changed the outcome?

Pretty much any election that involved high-profile religious stuff like abortion or gays.

Oh and on the legality-from your link.

Um, yeah. I know. I’m arguing—and that paper argues—that that’s wrong.

Okay nobody, not one other person expressed interest in this discussion. I think we could call this one done for now.

See, I don’t agree. I don’t understand why you refuse to continue talking unless someone else is listening. I’m fine with just talking to you as you.

the paper makes a good case for a subtle effect. Looks tiny. Reading further.

It doesn’t look tiny, no. Please keep reading.

516 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:08:05pm

re: #457 Lord of the Pies

What if, Bryan? Well a bunch of libruls would complain that a white kid put on blackface.


They’d also have good reason to be offended because of what that represented historically.


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