In Open Letter, Edward Snowden Offers to Help Brazil Against US in Exchange for Asylum

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Today Edward Snowden has published An Open Letter to the People of Brazil, offering to help Brazil “investigate” the NSA for “crimes” against Brazilian citizens, in exchange for asylum.

There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying, legitimate law enforcement —where individuals are targeted based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion - and these programs of dragnet mass surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and save copies forever.

These programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.

Many Brazilian senators agree, and have asked for my assistance with their investigations of suspected crimes against Brazilian citizens.

I have expressed my willingness to assist wherever appropriate and lawful, but unfortunately the United States government has worked very hard to limit my ability to do so —going so far as to force down the Presidential Plane of Evo Morales to prevent me from traveling to Latin America!

Until a country grants permanent political asylum, the US government will continue to interfere with my ability to speak.

Do I need to point out the ridiculousness of Snowden claiming the US government is interfering with his “ability to speak” — in an open letter to a Brazilian newspaper?

Snowden also gloats that his actions are causing the collapse of US intelligence systems.

Six months ago, I revealed that the NSA wanted to listen to the whole world. Now, the whole world is listening back, and speaking out, too. And the NSA doesn’t like what it’s hearing.

The culture of indiscriminate worldwide surveillance, exposed to public debates and real investigations on every continent, is collapsing.

Meanwhile, Snowden’s public relations agent, Glenn Greenwald, is raging at every media outlet that reports Snowden’s words accurately, trying to browbeat them into spinning this story his way — because he obviously understands how bad it looks:

And guess what? It’s working.

Notice that Snowden mentions asylum in the same sentence with his offer to help Brazil investigate US “crimes” — but Greenwald wants you to think it’s completely unrelated.

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533 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:19:14am

I’d rather spend my winters in Brazil than Russia too Ed.

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:22:07am
I have expressed my willingness to assist wherever appropriate and lawful, but unfortunately the United States government has worked very hard to limit my ability to do so

Nobody “owes” you a passport, asshole.

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:22:31am

Also what you did was neither appropriate nor was it lawful. Asshole.

4 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:26:02am

Direct offers of action against legal and legitimate arms of the government of the United States of America kinda seems like the definition of treason to me.

Your mileage may vary.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:27:26am
Until a country grants permanent political asylum, the US government will continue to interfere with my ability to speak.

HURR HURR

6 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:28:00am

Face it Eddie, you are fucked.

7 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:29:06am

Since when are our intelligence services not “legal”? I don’t think a thief and traitor should comment on that.

Just because Snowald doesn’t like them, doesn’t make them illegal.

If agencies aren’t performing the way they should, we have apps for that, too. It’s called Congress.

But thanks for playing, Ed.

I must say, I don’t fear my govt like Greenwald and those types want me to do. If I had a real reason to, I would. Actually, I fear smart-asses like them far more. Snowden has done untold damage along w/Greenwald hawking it, and that is what’s scary.

8 piratedan  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:29:27am

well, guess we’re all bad guys for supporting Obama who obviously never understood or possibly even sanctioned our Stasi-Like NSA in all of its nefarious activities. How naive of all of us for not identifying the threat amongst us and not following the example set forth by Edward and stealing the corporate and personal secrets of those who we worked for and selling them to the highest bidder while seeking control of their publication.

if only… if only…..

9 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:29:36am

Snowden is a jumped up little shit who deserves to be rotting in a cell.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:29:37am
11 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:30:30am

Gee, you mean stealing classified information has consequences?

Pfft. You made your bed, Eddie. Now go deal with it.

12 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:30:35am

I was under the impression we had elite covert teams dedicated to taking care of people like Snowden.

DAMN YOU HOLLYWOOD!

13 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:30:48am

re: #10 Lord of the Pies

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OMFG. What a dangerous asshole GG is.

14 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:31:40am

re: #9 Kragar

Snowden is a jumped up little shit who deserves to be rotting in a cell.

With GG as his roomie.

15 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:32:56am
16 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:33:55am

re: #2 Lord of the Pies

Nobody “owes” you a passport, asshole.

That’s what kills me. He wants to be able to steal classified information and have his 15 minutes as a media whore giving out government secrets, but he ALSO wants the US government to be in his fan club and let him travel freely.

WTF. It doesn’t work that way.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:34:21am

HURR HURR

18 geoffm33  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:35:14am

re: #17 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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“Entire Article” do they normally publish partial articles?

19 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:35:17am

I don’t really care what moronic crap Merkel is spewing for domestic consumption. Because my word, that is some moronic crap.

20 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:35:30am

HURR HURR

21 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:35:33am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

I’d rather spend my winters live in Brazil than Russia too Ed.

FTFY.

22 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:35:40am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

With GG as his roomie.

There was an episode of Leverage where their opponent was a real egotistical SOB, so they made it a point to mess up his name whenever they spoke with him and it drove him nuts.

That is what I want to happen to Glenn.

“Grenwalt?”
“GREENWALD!”
“No, my name is Dave, Mr. Grenwalt.”

23 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:36:29am

What an asshole.
“I’ll help you, but only at a price” Further evidence he is more than a liar, traitor, spy, and defector. Now we can add mercenary.

24 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:37:50am

I had fun yesterday riling up the dudebros by calling Snowden a coward. Got called all sorts of names for it, and also got told I’m a patsy for the NSA and a sheep and a far-right propaganda tool for teh ebil gubmint.

Me. A far right anything. Hahahahaha.

My favorite bit was when dudebros quoted JFK at me to justify Snowden’s actions. Cue pointing out that whole Cold War thing meant that JFK would’ve charged Snowden with espionage and that there wouldn’t be a national conversation about it.

25 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:37:59am

Oh, well, the old coot didn’t live long enough…

Doomsday Minister Harold Camping Dead at 92

abcnews.go.com

Doomsday just for you, Mr. Camping, just for you.

26 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:39:20am

re: #25 Justanotherhuman

Oh, well, the old coot didn’t live long enough…

Doomsday Minister Harold Camping Dead at 92

abcnews.go.com

Doomsday just for you, Mr. Camping, just for you.

Live each day like it were your last. Sooner or later you’ll be right.

RBS

27 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:39:27am
28 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:41:31am

re: #27 Kragar

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The base argument of ‘honor’ killers everywhere.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:41:53am

re: #27 Kragar

Simply put, women have become largely unfit for marriage.

Are they meant to be fit for any other purpose than breeding and childrearing?

30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:41:57am

re: #21 Dr Lizardo

FTFY.

Indeed.

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:42:43am

re: #27 Kragar

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Heh. What’s a matter Freeper, afraid of a woman who isn’t afraid to disagree with your 1950’s BC worldview?

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:43:03am

re: #27 Kragar

You know that’s a collection of “Best Derp of Free Republic” and not an actual FReeper, right?

33 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:43:08am

re: #27 Kragar

re: #28 kirkspencer

Let us hope that the author of that post does not have access to highly concentrated sulfuric acid.

34 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:43:29am

re: #29 Sol Berdinowitz

Are they meant to be fit for any other purpose than breeding and childrearing?

Well don’t forget sammich making. That’s pretty important too. A lot of otherwise good wommens just can’t make a decent sammich.

RBS

35 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:43:36am

re: #32 Lord of the Pies

You know that’s a collection of “Best Derp of Free Republic” and not an actual FReeper, right?

Well, now you tell me.

36 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:44:15am

re: #35 Kragar

Well, now you tell me.

I made the same mistake as well awhile back.

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:45:03am

re: #35 Kragar

Well, now you tell me.

I didn’t know either. Still stand by my comment that anyone who actually says this is afraid of women who are afraid to challenge their narrow world view.

38 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:45:08am

re: #36 Dr. Matt

I made the same mistake as well awhile back.

THANKS OBAMA!

39 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:45:14am

Nothing says, “Fear me, I have connections to powerful people” like an open letter.

40 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:45:35am

The discovery of a fossilized hand bone closes the human evolutionary gap by about half a million years, scientists say

A team of researchers from the University of Missouri found the new hand bone from a human ancestor who lived about 1.42 million years ago in East Africa.

Humans have a hand anatomy that’s distinct from apes and other nonhuman primates that allows them to make and use tools, but scientists aren’t sure when those features first appeared in human evolution..

Science rules!

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:47:14am

re: #34 RealityBasedSteve

Well don’t forget sammich making. That’s pretty important too. A lot of otherwise good wommens just can’t make a decent sammich.

RBS

Not just being able to, but being there to make (and bring you) one on demand.

42 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:48:00am
The culture of indiscriminate worldwide surveillance, exposed to public debates and real investigations on every continent, is collapsing.

Well, that was easy.

43 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:49:20am
44 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:49:59am

ZOMG!!! FreeperTxt is fantastic. It’s a ALL THE DERP and none of the filler. It’s industrial strength stupid, boiled down to the the highest proof possible. Here is just one example…

Sex, it’s got nothing to do with orgasms I guess.

RBS

45 djcelts  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:50:53am

Has he officially crossed the line now and become an enemy of the state by offering aid and comfort? Seems like it to me.

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:50:55am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

ZOMG!!! FreeperTxt is fantastic. It’s a ALL THE DERP and none of the filler. It’s industrial strength stupid, distelled to the the highest degree. Here is just one example…

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Sex, it’s got nothing to do with orgasms I guess.

RBS

Reminds me of Jerome Corsi claiming that sex should never be about pleasure except this one may be even stupider.

47 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:50:57am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

ZOMG!!! FreeperTxt is fantastic. It’s a ALL THE DERP and none of the filler. It’s industrial strength stupid, distelled to the the highest degree. Here is just one example…

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Sex, it’s got nothing to do with orgasms I guess.

RBS

You can find the actual post at FR using Google.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:51:33am

OR THE POPE.

49 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

ZOMG!!! FreeperTxt is fantastic. It’s a ALL THE DERP and none of the filler. It’s industrial strength stupid, boiled down to the the highest proof possible. Here is just one example…

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Sex, it’s got nothing to do with orgasms I guess.

RBS

Because straight people never have orgasms.

Just ask any married Freeper.

50 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:51:53am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

Sex, it’s got nothing to do with orgasms I guess.

Duh. It’s about breeding and nothing else. If you enjoy it you’re just a filthy sinner.

51 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:52:37am

re: #48 Lord of the Pies

OR THE POPE.

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And you might be a conservative if you used the Bible to rationalize collecting guns like Pokemon.

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:52:38am
53 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:52:58am
54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:54:10am

re: #49 Kragar

Because straight people never have orgasms.

Just ask any married Freeper.

Married To a Freeper? Sounds like a really really bad reality show.

55 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:54:24am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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it’s obvious that red squirrels are the bastard offspring of Yoda and a Wookie.

RBS

56 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:54:27am

HURR HURR
DERP DERP

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:54:57am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

And you might be a conservative if you used the Bible to rationalize collecting guns like Pokemon.

Gotta shoot ‘em all!

58 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:55:23am

More butthurt spin from GG

59 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:55:25am

This woman was just on MSNBC and told that Andrea Mitchell that Edward Snowden was a hero to the US. Evidently she is the PR person for Snowden from the ACLU.

aclu.org

Meanwhile, tough titty, Eddie.

Brazil says not considering Snowden asylum

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Brazil says it is not considering granting asylum to Edward Snowden even after the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor offered on Tuesday to help investigate revelations that the NSA has spied on Brazilians and their president.

“The Brazilian government has received no official request from Snowden since he arrived in Moscow in June, a foreign ministry spokesman said. Without a formal request, asylum will not be considered, the spokesman said.”

Will Russia even allow him to make a formal request?

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:55:29am

re: #56 Lord of the Pies

Who is that on the bottom right? I recognize everyone else.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:55:46am

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

Gotta shoot ‘em all!

I want to be the very best!

62 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:56:07am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is that on the bottom right? I recognize everyone else.

Susan Rice, obviously.

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!1

63 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:56:11am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is that on the bottom right? I recognize everyone else.

Susan Rice.

64 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:56:18am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is that on the bottom right? I recognize everyone else.

I want to say Susan Rice.

65 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:56:46am

I bet GG is just wetting his pants at the prospect of Snowden being in Brazil with him.

66 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:56:58am

re: #60 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is that on the bottom right? I recognize everyone else.

The person who spoke after Benghazi. I forget her name right now.

67 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:57:21am
68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:57:55am

Greenwald just oozes insufferable douche. I bet he’s a real joy at parties.

69 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:58:29am

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

This woman was just on MSNBC and told that Andrea Mitchell that Edward Snowden was a hero to the US. Evidently she is the PR person for Snowden from the ACLU.

I like the ACLU, but they’re dead wrong here. He’s a thief and a traitor, not a hero.

Will Russia even allow him to make a formal request?

LOL no. He hasn’t outlived his usefulness yet.

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:00:21am

re: #69 Lidane

I like the ACLU, but they’re dead wrong here. He’s a thief and a traitor, not a hero.

LOL no. He hasn’t outlived his usefulness yet.

Right. This guy didn’t commit something involving conscience. He’s actively offering to commit crimes against his own country. He’s not a hero and I resent the hell out of people dudebro, emoprog, etc alike to compare him to real heroes.

72 Bulworth  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:01:36am
There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying, legitimate law enforcement —where individuals are targeted based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion - and these programs of dragnet mass surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and save copies forever.

Snowden obviously knows these distinctions much better than anyone in our Executive branch and he should be trusted to determine what is legitimate and what is not legitimate surveillance. ////

73 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:02:23am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet GG is just wetting his pants at the prospect of Snowden being in Brazil with him.

You know he’s been trying to work on that. GG, that is. All that “El Globo” publicity and sticking a barb under Dilma Rousseff’s ass.

74 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:03:42am

re: #72 Bulworth

There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying, legitimate law enforcement —where individuals are targeted based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion - and these programs of dragnet mass surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and save copies forever.

And Snowden knows this because he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

/////////

75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:03:46am

I have to laugh at Snowden pretending he has the freedom to go wherever he wants — while FSB agents watch his every move in Moscow.

76 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:03:51am

re: #72 Bulworth

Snowden obviously knows these distinctions much better than anyone in our Executive branch and he should be trusted to determine what is legitimate and what is not legitimate surveillance. ////

Gross excess of self-important smarter-than-you privilege is the very bottom layer of the Dudebro Pyramid of Greatness.

77 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:04:00am

Any supposed “good” Snowden might have been trying to achieve means nothing compared to his actions after stealing the data.

78 kirkspencer  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:04:24am
79 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:05:19am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at Snowden pretending he has the freedom to go wherever he wants — while FSB agents watch his every move in Moscow.

And now, probably even more so.

80 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:06:00am

re: #56 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR
DERP DERP

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81 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:06:48am

re: #79 Justanotherhuman

And now, probably even more so.

Seriously.

Brilliant fucking move, Eddie. I’m sure that openly pining for other digs is going to make your Russian handlers even more cheerful and friendly.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:09:20am

re: #81 erik_t

Seriously.

Brilliant fucking move, Eddie. I’m sure that openly pining for other digs is going to make your Russian handlers even more cheerful and friendly.

Yeah it sucks to be in Russia right now. And winter hasn’t even started yet!

83 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:10:38am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at Snowden pretending he has the freedom to go wherever he wants — while FSB agents watch his every move in Moscow.

Hell, were I a world leader by this point, I’d be hesitant to even consider letting him in my country, let alone working within spitting distance of a government computer. For all I know, he could be there on the FSB’s orders.

84 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:10:46am

re: #82 Lord of the Pies

Yeah it sucks to be in Russia right now. And winter hasn’t even started yet!

There’s always vodka. But truth be told, if Brazil’s drink of choice is rum. I’ll take that and the warmth over the vodka and cold.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:12:04am

Eddie thought he was going to Iceland and that Moscow was just a three hour “layover.”

A THREE HOUR TOUR.

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:12:49am

He may have started as some stupid naive kid. Now he just looks like a tool.

87 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:13:38am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

I though he always was a tool.

88 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:13:41am

Snowjob says, “Until a country grants permanent political asylum, the US government will continue to interfere with my ability to speak.”

Obviously, he’s lying.

How transparent this jerk is.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:14:13am

We like religion in schools but not like this

90 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:14:44am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

He may have started as some stupid naive kid. Now he just looks like a tool.

I don’t consider 29-30 a “kid”. My own were in elementary school when I was that age.

91 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:14:51am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

He may have started as some stupid naive kid. Now he just looks like a tool.

I don’t think he was ever naive. (and by no means stupid). My personal belief is that his plan was ‘Grab Secrets, Sell (or ransom) Secrets, Live in Luxury. ok, maybe naive, but not innocent by any means.

RBS

92 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:15:38am

Question: Could this be more FSB “active measures”, intended to be part of buildup to something else, or alternately intended to stir shit up between the US and Brazil?

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:16:27am

re: #91 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t think he was ever naive. (and by no means stupid). My personal belief is that his plan was ‘Grab Secrets, Sell (or ransom) Secrets, Live in Luxury. ok, maybe naive, but not innocent by any means.

RBS

This keeps playing out with that “Falcon and the Snowman” vibe. With the 2000’s twist of having the vocal social media content due to Greenwald.

94 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:16:33am

re: #89 Sol Berdinowitz

We like religion in schools but not like this

WTF???

95 EmmaAnne  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:17:11am

re: #49 Kragar

Because straight people never have orgasms.

Just ask any married Freeper.

That explains so much …

96 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:17:14am

Step 1: Vote 40+ times to repeal Obamacare.

Step 2: Sue the government for not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: PROFIT!

97 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:17:32am

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

I don’t consider 29-30 a “kid”. My own were in elementary school when I was that age.

True enough and it’s funny me calling him a kid since I’m in a fact a few years younger than him.

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:18:05am

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

WTF???

We must praise the Lord and not criticize his doings.

99 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:18:22am

re: #96 Lidane

Step 1: Vote 40+ times to repeal Obamacare.

Step 2: Sue the government for not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: PROFIT!

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This is hilarious in how big a fail it is. You done out did yourselves House GOP. You did everything to obstruct ACA’s implementation and now act shock that it’s not taking as fast as it should.

100 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:18:35am

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Question: Could this be more FSB “active measures”, intended to be part of buildup to something else, or alternately intended to stir shit up between the US and Brazil?

Well, if he’s being constantly monitored by the FSB, I don’t see how he could have gotten this letter out.

Yeah. If it went directly to Foha de Sao Paulo, and not to Greenwald, his buddy, well I would say this is not a freely delivered communication.

101 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:19:03am

re: #91 RealityBasedSteve

I don’t think he was ever naive. (and by no means stupid). My personal belief is that his plan was ‘Grab Secrets, Sell (or ransom) Secrets, Live in Luxury. ok, maybe naive, but not innocent by any means.

RBS

I still haven’t quite figured him out. Agree with not innocent though.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:19:48am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Well, if he’s being constantly monitored by the FSB, I don’t see how he could have gotten this letter out.

Yeah. If it went directly to Foha de Sao Paulo, and not to Greenwald, his buddy, well I would say this is not a freely delivered communication.

Glenn and Eddie have been on the outs for a long time already. Glenn figured he could do just as well on his own, and Eddie didn’t really have a choice about it.

103 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:19:49am

re: #89 Sol Berdinowitz

We like religion in schools but not like this

That is closely related to something I posted downstairs, that a lot of home schoolers do it because fears that their child’s religious views will be challenged and they will be forced to think about what they believe and evaluate it.

RBS

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:20:17am

I have no words to describe this next bit of stupidity:

105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:20:17am

re: #89 Sol Berdinowitz

We like religion in schools but not like this

Smart kid.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:21:12am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

I have no words to describe this next bit of stupidity:

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You got a live one there.

107 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:22:16am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Maturity level is frequently inconsistent with biological age. There are plenty of “kids” in their late 30s and early 40s.

108 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #102 Lord of the Pies

Glenn and Eddie have been on the outs for a long time already. Glenn figured he could do just as well on his own, and Eddie didn’t really have a choice about it.

Yes, you’re probably right. If GG had any influence, it would have gone to his buddies at “El Globo”. At this point, GG just wants to make $$$$ from it.

This is beginning to smell like last week’s fish.

109 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:22:40am

re: #82 Lord of the Pies

Yeah it sucks to be in Russia right now. And winter hasn’t even started yet!

36º F in Moscow right now.

110 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:22:42am
111 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:23:00am

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Maturity level is frequently inconsistent with biological age. There are plenty of “kids” in their late 30s and early 40s.

I usually call them immature assholes.

112 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:23:25am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

SNOWDEN IS AN EVERYMAN who sold out to russia

113 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:24:03am

re: #109 Charles Johnson

36º F in Moscow right now.

10 degrees warmer than where I am! :)

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:24:11am

78º F in Rio de Janeiro.

115 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:24:11am

re: #103 RealityBasedSteve

That is closely related to something I posted downstairs, that a lot of home schoolers do it because fears that their child’s religious views will be challenged and they will be forced to think about what they believe and evaluate it.

RBS

Yep. It’s not merely that though. It’s them having contact with people who may not be of the same religion too. If you’re teaching your child that everyone who isn’t say a conservative fundamentalist Protestant is a sinner and that they’re going to hell and then your child meets and befriends say a child who is Hindu. It really throws a wrench to “Everyone who isn’t like me is a sinner” and I think fundies of all stripes are petrified of that situation happening. Same thing with gays even though middle at the earliest is where a child is going to meet the first classmate he or she is aware of being homosexual. I really do think religious based home-schooling at its core is what you and I have talked about and it’s sheltering the kid.

116 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:24:15am

re: #109 Charles Johnson

36º F in Moscow right now.

The Midwest thinks that sounds pretty damned balmy, actually.

Poor dopefish hasn’t been above 20ºF in like two weeks.

117 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:24:56am

re: #116 erik_t

The Midwest thinks that sounds pretty damned balmy, actually.

Poor dopefish hasn’t been above 20ºF in like two weeks.

Just wait. Winter hasn’t kicked in yet in Russia.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:25:07am

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Maturity level is frequently inconsistent with biological age. There are plenty of “kids” in their late 30s and early 40s.

Yeah but I was using the term “kid” generically here. The GWU students I pass on my commute to my office are “kids” to me even though they’re all legal adults and probably plenty mature.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:25:26am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Well, if he’s being constantly monitored by the FSB, I don’t see how he could have gotten this letter out.

Yeah. If it went directly to Foha de Sao Paulo, and not to Greenwald, his buddy, well I would say this is not a freely delivered communication.

Or it’s simply something the FSB wrote up and mailed simply to help burn whatever possible bridges Snowden has left. Which, in turn, works towards cementing his desire to be cooperative with the FSB given that it’s his only option.

120 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:26:34am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

I have no words to describe this next bit of stupidity:

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Actually, I did find a reply:

121 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:27:01am

re: #109 Charles Johnson

36º F in Moscow right now.

Warmer than Ostrava. 36 F right now, but with wind chill, it feels like 15 F.

122 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:27:23am
123 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:27:25am

re: #96 Lidane

Step 1: Vote 40+ times to repeal Obamacare.

Step 2: Sue the government for not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: PROFIT!

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The food is inedible and the portions are too small!

124 Mike Lamb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:27:38am

re: #96 Lidane

Step 1: Vote 40+ times to repeal Obamacare.

Step 2: Sue the government for not implementing Obamacare fast enough.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: PROFIT!

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Don’t forget holding the debt ceiling hostage in order to delay implementation for at least a year as well.

Can’t help but notice we haven’t seen a lot of links to Stockman tweets about how bad the ACA roll out is now. Wonder why that is…

125 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:28:13am

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Well, if he’s being constantly monitored by the FSB, I don’t see how he could have gotten this letter out.

Yeah. If it went directly to Foha de Sao Paulo, and not to Greenwald, his buddy, well I would say this is not a freely delivered communication.

It was originally posted to Facebook by Greenwald’s partner David Miranda.

And Russia was almost certainly involved in writing it, or approving it. There’s no way Snowden could have sent this to anyone without the FSB knowing about it.

126 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:28:18am

2 degrees, with a -15 wind chill in my hometown of Ottawa, Canada.

127 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:28:54am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

2 degrees, with a -15 wind chill in my hometown of Ottawa, Canada.

Yeah, well, Canada.

128 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:28:56am

re: #122 Kragar

CENSORSHIP! 1st AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!

129 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:00am

How is it now?

130 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:12am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

2 degrees, with a -15 wind chill in my hometown of Ottawa, Canada.

Yeesh. No thanks. We’re practically tropical in Ostrava.

131 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:25am

re: #127 Varek Raith

Funny thing is I believe Moscow is even more northerly than Ottawa is and Ottawa is one of the Northernmost capitals in the world.

132 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:47am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

2 degrees, with a -15 wind chill in my hometown of Ottawa, Canada.

Real ‘Murrican degrees, or your weirdo Communist degrees?

/////

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:48am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

2 degrees, with a -15 wind chill in my hometown of Ottawa, Canada.

Yeah I have a friend who’s been doing work for law school up there. I try not to complain about the weather here around her.

134 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:29:51am

Say what you will about the cold weather, but to me outdoor ice skating is bliss and I really miss it.

135 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:11am

re: #132 erik_t

Lol, those would be American degrees, since the data comes from weather.com

136 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:16am

38 here now, 75 on Sunday.
e_e

137 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:17am

It’s rather nice here right now. Sun is out.

138 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:37am

re: #89 Sol Berdinowitz

We like religion in schools but not like this

Excerpt:

And a WFLA report adds that the school asserted the topic was “a little too deep for fourth- and fifth-graders” - despite, apparently, the fact that it was written by a fifth-grader.

It is my understanding that most political speeches are written to about 4th or 5th grade level audience.

139 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:41am

re: #125 Charles Johnson

It was originally posted to Facebook by Greenwald’s partner David Miranda.

And Russia was almost certainly involved in writing it, or approving it. There’s no way Snowden could have sent this to anyone without the FSB knowing about it.

So, Miranda is up to it in his eyeballs, too.

Figures. Not quite the “innocent traveler” GG wanted everyone to believe.

140 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:42am

And by the way, anyone who actually believes Russian intelligence isn’t watching absolutely everything Snowden does is just delusional.

141 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:54am

Really, we should measure everything in degrees Rankine.

Doesn’t 450º sound delightfully balmy on a nasty December afternoon?

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:30:56am

re: #136 Varek Raith

38 here now, 75 on Sunday.
e_e

Yep, schizo NoVa weather.

143 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:31:33am

re: #138 abolitionist

It is my understanding that most political speeches are written to about 4th or 5th grade level audience.

That was just their lame excuse to have it silenced, somebody did not approve of this sort of discussion of religion…

144 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:31:35am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Yep, schizo NoVa weather.

There’s still snow on the ground.

145 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:31:39am

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Now Charles, we already knew all the Dudebros were delusional.

146 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:04am
147 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:13am

re: #127 Varek Raith

Yeah, well, Canada.

Isn’t that the national anthem?

148 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:32am

1st and only. Because we’re such a kind, caring, and Christian country. //

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:38am

re: #144 Varek Raith

There’s still snow on the ground.

Yep. Starring at it right now.

150 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:40am

Moscow will be a freezer for 3 days starting Thurs.

google.com

151 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:49am

re: #140 Charles Johnson

And by the way, anyone who actually believes Russian intelligence isn’t watching absolutely everything Snowden does is just delusional.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they helped write his “open letter” and/or had final say on its release. No way would Putin let Snowden publish a letter like that unannounced.

152 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:32:49am

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

How is it now?

It’s all right. I’ve got an article for you:

Gary Patton out in DOD sexual assault post

The Pentagon’s top sexual assault prevention official is stepping down next month amid an internal investigation that he intimidated whistleblowers during a previous stint in Afghanistan.

Maj. Gen. Gary Patton is set to retire in the spring after a 35-year Army career that culminated as director of the Sexual Assault Prevention and Response Office. There, he’s been in the direct line of fire as members of Congress have pushed the Defense Department to make big changes in how it deals with sexual predators in its ranks.

Patton had been the subject of an internal Army review into patient abuse and corruption at a U.S.-funded Afghan hospital and questions over whether he tried to keep staffers from talking with investigators. Earlier this year, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel agreed to let another Army commander in Afghanistan, Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, quietly retire over the same whistleblower incident.

153 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:33:15am

re: #147 GeneJockey

Isn’t that the national anthem?

Oh Canada,
It’s very very cold.
We love Hockey,
And we’re polite to young and old.

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:34:00am

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Moscow will be a freezer for 3 days starting Thurs.

google.com

I’m dreaming of a Moscow Christmas.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:34:18am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh Canada,
It’s very very cold.
We love Hockey,
And we’re polite to young and old.

Isn’t there something in there about splitting beavers?

156 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:34:29am

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Say what you will about the cold weather, but to me outdoor ice skating is bliss and I really miss it.

I only got to do that once and it was like heaven, in my memory. I think it was cold, though, in reality.

157 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:34:32am

I’m dreaming of a dashboard cam, Christmas.

158 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:36:43am


Oops.

159 piratedan  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:37:05am

the cynic in me states that the timing of this was carefully orchestrated to catch the wind of a slow news cycle to allow everyone to polish GG’s supposed cred as a patron of privacy and allow another bout of dudebro poutrage and allowing additional hammers to fall on the Obama Presidency.

It will go away as soon as there’s a new mass shooting, natural disaster, celebrity death….

160 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:38:13am
161 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:38:15am

An Islamabad christmas tree.

Image: BbtcdLrCAAAoKbd.jpg

162 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:38:39am

re: #156 wrenchwench

The best temp is around 24 degrees F. That way it’s cold enough for good ice but still not super freezing so you can enjoy skating for awhile without getting numb.

163 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:39:16am

re: #156 wrenchwench

I only got to do that once and it was like heaven, in my memory. I think it was cold, though, in reality.

Then you’d love what we have downtown; the Christmas Market at Marianske Naměstí, with outdoor ice-skating rink.

ostrava.cz

164 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:40:01am
165 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:40:30am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Isn’t there something in there about splitting beavers?

Splitting beavers?!

Excuse me, sir, this is a family-friendly blog.

///

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:43:25am

re: #165 erik_t

Splitting beavers?!

Excuse me, sir, this is a family-friendly blog.

///

how else do you gut them before making them into beaver stew?

167 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:43:35am

This kind of stuff makes me see red:

Two women steal entire Toys for Tots donation bin

Last week, two women showed up with a van to pick up the donations from the Toys for Tots bin at the volunteer fire department in a Virginia town. There’s nothing sinister about that, except that the women weren’t affiliated with Toys For Tots. Who were they? No one knows.

Police certainly would like to know.

The area’s actual coordinator told TV station WTKR that many of the stolen gifts were “big-ticket items” that would have been kids’ major gifts of the season.

168 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:44:40am

Speaking of Christmas, I was discussing with the wife last night that neither of us seems to feel very Christmassy, certainly much less so that I can readily recall. I think I understand why.

When you’re a kid, you love Christmas because your parents put on a big production, largely for you. You get time off of school, there are presents and decorations and a big feast.

When you’re a little older, if you’re like me and come from a big family, it’s all about getting together with the family, and experiencing the “kid’s Christmas” feeling vicariously watching your nieces and nephews.

When you have kids, it’s all about putting on the show FOR THEM, so they can have memories as happy as yours.

When your kids grow up, move out, and have kids of their own, it’s about seeing them again and their children, and putting on a Christmas for your grandchildren.

BUT, when your parents are either gone, or too old to host a big Christmas shindig, AND your own children are young adults, but still living at home, you’re in No Man’s Land. What do you get for young men in their 20s whose interests you have little knowledge of? And you see ‘em every day, do it’s not like there’s a big homecoming.

I guess we just have to wait a few years till the boys move out, though they’re threatening not to!

169 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:45:18am

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

This kind of stuff makes me see red:

Two women steal entire Toys for Tots donation bin

People who do that shit deserve public humiliation. Stealing is bad enough. Stealing gifts that are donated for needy kids is a special kind of low.

170 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:46:10am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh Canada,
It’s very very cold.
We love Hockey,
And we’re polite to young and old.

We’ll see how much west coast Canadians like Hockey on Friday when the Blackhawks give the Canucks a thumping!

171 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:46:25am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Isn’t there something in there about splitting beavers?

SMACK!

172 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:46:31am

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

The best temp is around 24 degrees F. That way it’s cold enough for good ice but still not super freezing so you can enjoy skating for awhile without getting numb.

The only time I ever went ice skating, the temp was about minus 15F, and had been below zero for most of a week. The ice was about 8 to 12 inches thick. IMO, 24F seems dangerous, unless preceded by several days much colder. In any case, I’d want more than 3” ice thickness.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:48:51am

I think I disliked ice skating as a kid for a few reasons. One, I’m not and have never been that coordinated so no fancy tricks for me. Two, my feet were growing fast constantly until I turned about 13. Ended up with size 13 shoes and I’m not particularly tall. And of course, I just do not like cold weather. I mean the first day of winter is on Saturday and I’ll be blunt. I’ve been wanting summer back since October 1st. Some people hate the heat and I guess I don’t blame them but at least with the heat, you can enjoy the beach or a dip in the pool.

174 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:48:56am

re: #172 abolitionist

The only time I ever went ice skating, the temp was about minus 15F, and had been below zero for most of a week. The ice was about 8 to 12 inches thick. IMO, 24F seems dangerous, unless preceded by several days much colder. In any case, I’d want more than 3” ice thickness.

Lol, allow me to clarify.

I was referring to a situation of skating and/or playing hockey on an outdoor rink, built on solid ground.

Playing on a frozen river or lake? Yes, you’d need several days to a week of temps below 24F to get good ice.

Sorry for the confusion.

175 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:49:09am

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

No.
Proper response is, “Eau my”.

176 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:49:51am

re: #175 Varek Raith

No.
Proper response is, “Eau my”.

Now on sale at Amazon!

177 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:50:50am

re: #168 GeneJockey

I would suggest doing what my mom and I would do back when we couldn’t travel to see the family and I was in my 20’s. Make reservations at a really nice restaurant you normally would consider out of your price range and splurge on a great meal. Get them to dress up for the occasion.

It’s a small affair, it’s festive, and someone else will do the cooking and cleaning.

178 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:50:57am

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, allow me to clarify.

I was referring to a situation of skating and/or playing hockey on an outdoor rink, built on solid ground.

Playing on a frozen river or lake? Yes, you’d need several days to a week of temps below 24F to get good ice.

Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, otherwise you break through the ice like the barbarian invaders in Alexander Nevsky.

179 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:50:59am

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

Now on sale at Amazon!

Lol.
Q: does this smell like pine trees in any fashion like most mens stuff does?
A: Sorry, for that, you need to buy the Eau deForest Kelley.

181 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:51:21am
182 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:51:28am

re: #175 Varek Raith

No.
Proper response is, “Eau my”.

That’s what French people do! Real Americans backhand the offender into next week!

/Must I?

183 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:51:31am

Yeah, this is something worthy of several fiction authors:

Antarctica could be rich in diamonds, geologists say

They are called “ice” for a reason.

184 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:52:00am

A smart tree seller would say “We’re all out of Christmas trees but we can sell you a Holiday tree.”
HURR HURR

185 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:52:05am

re: #180 Kragar

Pat Buchanan: Anti-LGBT Vladimir Putin is a true conservative hero

Tells you all you need to know about both Pat and the state of conservatism if being an anti-gay bigot is heroic.

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:52:30am

re: #181 darthstar

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Eww.

187 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:52:37am
188 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:52:48am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

It’s all right. I’ve got an article for you:

Gary Patton out in DOD sexual assault post

THe whole structure is flawed. There have been several articles about the subject for months.

189 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:01am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Eww.

It’s your party. Hey, how’d the phone screen go?

190 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:19am

Darth, wtf is wrong with your imagination?!?!
/
:P

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:26am

re: #181 darthstar

Ugh, note to self: Never, EVER work for a Republican.

192 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:27am
193 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:37am

re: #187 darthstar

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She still IS a dick.

194 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:40am

re: #184 Lord of the Pies

A smart tree seller would say “We’re all out of Christmas trees but we can sell you a Holiday tree.”
HURR HURR

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And if you can find Christmas Trees at $5 a foot you’re nowhere near Chicago.

195 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:53:51am

re: #184 Lord of the Pies

A smart tree seller would say “We’re all out of Christmas trees but we can sell you a Holiday tree.”
HURR HURR

[Embedded content]

Nice scam he’s got there.
XD

196 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:54:24am

re: #184 Lord of the Pies

So we’re not supposed to notice the shitty photoshopping or something?

197 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:54:40am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

And if you can find Christmas Trees at $5 a foot you’re nowhere near Chicago.

My parents use fake trees.
Real trees cause the cats to knock them over and such.

198 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:54:40am

199 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:54:52am

re: #184 Lord of the Pies

A smart tree seller would say “We’re all out of Christmas trees but we can sell you a Holiday tree.”
HURR HURR

[Embedded content]

Because it’s important to call a pagan symbol by a pseudo-Christian name.

Alternatively,

How much for Hannukah Bushes?

200 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:55:03am

re: #187 darthstar

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Manning self-diagnosed. I have no idea what the in-thing with this is anymore but it used to require therapy sessions to determine if a person really was transsexual followed by a real-life test under the Standards of Care (SOC). Otherwise, anyone can just wake up tomorrow morning and claim the opposite gender.

201 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:55:20am

re: #189 darthstar

It’s your party. Hey, how’d the phone screen go?

I got through it with flying colors. I can’t say much more right now, but the interviewer liked what he heard a great deal.

Thank you for asking.

202 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:56:06am

re: #190 Varek Raith

Darth, wtf is wrong with your imagination?!?!
/
:P

Sorry…I have no problem accepting Chelsea Manning’s new life living as a woman, but until such time as we have transgender facilities, you go to jail with the chromosomes you have, not the chromosomes you want.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:56:10am

re: #199 GeneJockey

Because it’s important to call a pagan symbol by a pseudo-Christian name.

Alternatively,

How much for Hannukah Bushes?

Hanukkah is over.

204 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:00am

re: #192 GeneJockey

Wow. Welcome to Bizarro World.

I was going to change out ‘Bizarro’ for ‘Paleo-Conservative’, but the two words are very similar now that I think on it.

205 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:08am

re: #202 darthstar

Sorry…I have no problem accepting Chelsea Manning’s new life living as a woman, but until such time as we have transgender facilities, you go to jail with the chromosomes you have, not the chromosomes you want.

I’m referring to your 181.

206 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:30am

re: #202 darthstar

Sorry…I have no problem accepting Chelsea Manning’s new life living as a woman, but until such time as we have transgender facilities, you go to jail with the chromosomes you have, not the chromosomes you want.

I’d tend to agree, but I’d go with plumbing instead.

207 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:30am
208 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:36am

re: #200 Gus

Manning self-diagnosed. I have no idea what the in-thing with this is anymore but it used to require therapy sessions to determine if a person really was transsexual followed by a real-life test under the Standard of Care (SOC). Otherwise, anyone can just wake up tomorrow morning and claim the opposite gender.

The upside is that the same taxpayers who complain about her incarceration will one day complain about paying for her hormone therapy.

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:48am

Actually the time when Juice buy evergreen branches is during Sukkot, to cover the top of the hut.

This year Zedushka just trimmed the shrubbery and used that.

210 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:57:51am

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Are you testing our fauxtoshop skills again? /rhetoricalQ

211 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:58:01am

re: #192 GeneJockey

Wow. Welcome to Bizarro World.

Not really. There’s a strong yearning for authoritarianism the further you go right on the spectrum. That Pat - Generalissimo Franco fan that he is - embraces Putin is no surprise to me whatsoever.

212 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:58:06am

re: #203 Lord of the Pies

Hanukkah is over.

So they’re on sale?

213 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:58:28am

re: #206 GeneJockey

I’d tend to agree, but I’d go with plumbing instead.

I’d go with where the person a) thinks they belong and 2) where they are the safest from other inmates.

214 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:58:28am

re: #210 abolitionist

Are you testing our fauxtoshop skills again? /rhetoricalQ

Really…like anyone’s going to believe a dolphin would be caught dead with a heifer.

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:58:37am

re: #202 darthstar

Sorry…I have no problem accepting Chelsea Manning’s new life living as a woman, but until such time as we have transgender facilities, you go to jail with the chromosomes you have, not the chromosomes you want.

When a transgender gets the reassignment surgery, does their DNA change?

216 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:59:36am

217 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 11:59:59am

My brother’s dog meets the new baby:

218 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:00:37pm

re: #206 GeneJockey

I’d tend to agree, but I’d go with plumbing instead.

Well that what Darth said. I’d go a bit more Bill Murray myself:

“Yes it’s true… Chelsea Manning still has a dick. Well that’s what I heard!”

219 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:00:39pm

re: #215 Lord of the Pies

When a transgender gets the reassignment surgery, does their DNA change?

I am picturing a very, very confused archaeologist from millions of years in the future, when society has declined and risen a couple of times.

He/She get’s the results from the hair fragment he submitted to the lab for DNA testing and get’s an ambiguous result regarding the gender of the original owner.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:01:19pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

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Burger Flipper?

221 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:02:12pm

re: #213 FemNaziBitch

I’d go with where the person a) thinks they belong and 2) where they are the safest from other inmates.

I’m not sure where 2 is. Probably he/she should not be part of the general population in any prison, at least at this point.

222 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:02:13pm

re: #220 Sol Berdinowitz

Burger Flipper?

Go to your room.

223 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:02:33pm

re: #215 Lord of the Pies

When a transgender gets the reassignment surgery, does their DNA change?

No. The changes are hormonal, with surgery as a final step.

224 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:02:34pm

re: #219 FemNaziBitch

I am picturing a very, very confused archaeologist from millions of years in the future, when society has declined and risen a couple of times.

He/She get’s the results from the hair fragment he submitted to the lab for DNA testing and get’s an ambiguous result regarding the gender of the original owner.

I was thinking it might make a good plot for a Bones episode, or some other murder mystery, a skeleton is discovered and a gender ID is made on the basis of the pelvic angle, but there is no Missing Persons report corresponding to that age & gender.

225 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:03:14pm
226 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:03:25pm
227 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:03:35pm

re: #220 Sol Berdinowitz

Burger Flipper?

*groan*

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:04:01pm

re: #220 Sol Berdinowitz

Burger Flipper?

You win Teh Internets.

229 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:04:17pm

re: #217 Uncle Obdicut

My brother’s dog meets the new baby:

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Ear scratches from me!!!!!

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:04:18pm

re: #227 FemNaziBitch

*groan*

I didn’t post that abomination, just commented on it

232 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:04:32pm

re: #226 Lidane

There are like 4 different companies that make it, I don’t know why people are freaking the fuck out.

233 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:04:40pm

re: #224 Lord of the Pies

I was thinking it might make a good plot for a Bones episode, or some other murder mystery, a skeleton is discovered and a gender ID is made on the basis of the pelvic angle, but there is no Missing Persons report corresponding to that age & gender.

They did it already.

234 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:05:09pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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re: #217 Uncle Obdicut

My brother’s dog meets the new baby:

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Good convergence.

235 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:05:16pm

re: #233 Kragar

They did it already.

What season?

236 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:06:48pm

re: #203 Lord of the Pies

Hanukkah is over.

So, I should be able to get a good price on one then? Excellent.

RBS

237 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:07:01pm

re: #235 Lord of the Pies

What season?

Bones: Season 4, Episode 6 - The He in the She

238 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:07:16pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Whoa now.

Exclusive: Inside Steve Stockman’s Disgusting, Condemned Campaign Office (PHOTOS)

Darthstar had that story back at #181. It’s pretty disgusting stuff. I guess being a True Conservative means never cleaning the toilet.

239 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:07:32pm

Will the wikileaks/Snowden/Greenwald axis offer to help favela residents victimized by the Brazilian Military Police during the all out campaign to clean the place up for the World Cup and the Olympics?

*crickets*

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:09:18pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

How is it now?

34F and a sort of misty flurrying going on in downtown Philly.

Working on documentation and the shopping and present wrapping list that needs to be processed by Sunday.

241 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:09:51pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Whoa now.

Exclusive: Inside Steve Stockman’s Disgusting, Condemned Campaign Office (PHOTOS)

Competing with Arizona for the title ‘Methlab of Democracy’.

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:10:44pm

I hate when that happens.

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:11:33pm

re: #242 Lord of the Pies

I hate when that happens.

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we are not supposed to laugh at others’ misfortune but…

244 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:11:39pm

re: #226 Lidane

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There’s a little Vietnamese shop about a 10 minute walk away from my apartment, and I’ve never seen them out of Sriracha. It’s always in stock; I’m pretty sure they get it direct from Thailand.

245 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:12:17pm

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

There’s a little Vietnamese shop about a 10 minute walk away from my apartment, and I’ve never seen them out of Sriracha. It’s always in stock; I’m pretty sure they get it direct from Thailand.

I think it’s an official product of the USA.

246 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:12:40pm

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Will the wikileaks/Snowden/Greenwald axis offer to help favela residents victimized by the Brazilian Military Police during the all out campaign to clean the place up for the World Cup and the Olympics?

*crickets*

We’re making real change. Change that matters. To people like us. They will thank us later, when they have a new home with internet and stuff.

247 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:12:49pm
248 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:13:04pm

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s an official product of the USA.

The brand is, yes.

249 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:13:15pm

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s an official product of the USA.

AT least the iconic bottle we are used to seeing.

250 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:14:33pm

re: #178 GeneJockey

Yeah, otherwise you break through the ice like the barbarian invaders in Alexander Nevsky.

IIRC, those were Teutonic Knights. Good *Christian* barbarians.

251 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:14:58pm

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

AT least the iconic bottle we are used to seeing.

Yeah, I always see it in a glass bottle, not plastic.

252 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:16:52pm

re: #247 Gus

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When I was a little kid, I asked my Mom if soup was illegal. She told me that it wasn’t, why would I ask a silly question like that. I told her that I saw in the paper where the police had busted a brothel and arrested everybody. I thought they were at some place that served soup.

RBS
I was innocent once… really

253 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:17:23pm

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

AT least the iconic bottle we are used to seeing.

The bottle on the left is the one I always see at the Vietnamese food store.

Image: sriracha.jpg

254 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:17:47pm

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

The bottle on the left is the one I always see at the Vietnamese food store.

Image: sriracha.jpg

ah!

Is it more potent than the American version?

255 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:17:55pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Whoa now.

Exclusive: Inside Steve Stockman’s Disgusting, Condemned Campaign Office (PHOTOS)

Hmmm.
Dirty toilet.
Holes in wall.
Battered furniture.
Trash in yard.
So filthy it’s shut down by the health department.
Tenant gets a government check.
This is obviously the abode of a mob of slum-dwelling welfare bums.

256 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:18:31pm

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel

Hmmm.
Dirty toilet.
Holes in wall.
Battered furniture.
Trash in yard.
So filthy it’s shut down by the health department.
Tenant gets a government check.
This is obviously the abode of a mob of slum-dwelling welfare bums.

It doesn’t look like it was ever used.

257 Stoatly  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:18:46pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, allow me to clarify.

I was referring to a situation of skating and/or playing hockey on an outdoor rink, built on solid ground.

Playing on a frozen river or lake? Yes, you’d need several days to a week of temps below 24F to get good ice.

Sorry for the confusion.

Needs many days below for a Elfstedentocht:

Youtube Video

A 200 kilometre skating tour of all eleven historical cities of Friesland in the Netherlands - doesn’t happen often, but when it does, can you imagine..

258 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:19:42pm
259 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:19:43pm
260 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:20:59pm

re: #258 Gus

Why oak?

261 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:08pm

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, those were Teutonic Knights. Good *Christian* barbarians.

One man’s Freedom Fighter Teutonic Knight is another man’s Terrorist Barbarian.
//

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:13pm

re: #258 Gus

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Like Tarzan?

263 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:31pm

re: #260 Uncle Obdicut

Why oak?

Thought that myself.

264 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:40pm

I need to run errands.

I do not want to run errands.

It’s cold and I’m not used to it yet —

I don’t want to deal with all the Christmas Crap in the stores.

I sent the kid instead.

I may not go again until January.

265 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:41pm

re: #258 Gus

I want nothing to do with that.

266 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:21:59pm

My new Page is about a current Republican inclination to limit the number of 2016 debates and limit who moderates them. Check it out.

267 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:00pm

re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader

I want nothing to do with that.

Ayep.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:05pm

nbcnews.com

Media story on on-going research in getting bio-fuel from algae slurry. Soylent Red will not be far behind.

269 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:27pm

re: #258 Gus

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I refuse to allow any semblance of agreement with Crazy von Moustache to convince me to abandon my belief that Snowden is a traitor.

270 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:32pm

re: #263 Gus

Thought that myself.

“We hung Snowden from a Linden tree, Mr. Bolton!”


“Incompetent fucksticks! I said OAK!!!”

271 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:23:48pm

FragranceNet.com keeps sending me 20% off coupons and free shipping.

They’re cheaper than the Duty Free store at the border now.

272 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:24:40pm

re: #257 Stoatly

Needs many days below for a Elfstedentocht:

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A 200 kilometre skating tour of all eleven historical cities of Friesland in the Netherlands - doesn’t happen often, but when it does, can you imagine..

That looks like a blast.

273 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:25:18pm

re: #262 Lord of the Pies

Like Tarzan?

Needz Moar Updings!

274 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:25:20pm

re: #257 Stoatly

How do the Finish spell Finnish?

275 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:25:53pm

re: #260 Uncle Obdicut

Why oak?

Tradition? Or maybe Bolton is just old enough to remember this song:

This time tomorrow,
reckon where I’ll be
Down in some lonesome valley,
hangin’ from a white oak tree
Hang down your head, Tom Dooley
Hang down your head and cry
Hang down your head, Tom Dooley
Poor boy, you’re bound to die
Hang down your head, Tom Dooley
Hang down your head and cry
Hang down your head, Tom Dooley
Poor boy, you’re bound to die

Youtube Video

276 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:26:06pm

re: #260 Uncle Obdicut

Why oak?

Sounds tough.

277 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:26:15pm

re: #258 Gus

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Ironically, Snowden is far more likely to come to a bad end in Russia than he would be here. If Putin decides he’s no longer worth the trouble, all kinds of things could happen. As for Snowjob’s proposed move to Brazil, well, my God. He has no idea what could happen if the current left-leaning government is replaced, something that is not impossible or even unlikely.

278 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:27:15pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol, allow me to clarify.

I was referring to a situation of skating and/or playing hockey on an outdoor rink, built on solid ground.

Playing on a frozen river or lake? Yes, you’d need several days to a week of temps below 24F to get good ice.

Sorry for the confusion.

And then there is all those pesky bent over reeds and other plants that make the outer ring of a frozen pond a skin grater. You didn’t want to get checked into that mess if you could help it.

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:27:20pm
280 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:27:45pm

re: #247 Gus

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We are all about consent. It’s true.

281 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:27:46pm

re: #268 Feline Fearless Leader

nbcnews.com

Media story on on-going research in getting bio-fuel from algae slurry. Soylent Red will not be far behind.

“What’s it all about, Alfiegae?”

282 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:28:15pm

re: #258 Gus

John Bolton thinks Snowden ‘ought to swing from a tall oak tree’

He seems nice.

283 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:28:33pm

re: #279 Lord of the Pies

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Is it really black, or is it a very, very, very, very dark purple?

284 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:28:59pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

He is. It’s the mustache. And the latter is in cahoots with Trump’s hair.
//

285 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:29:02pm

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

Sounds tough.

Yeah, only Liberals would hang a man from a Maple tree!
//

286 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #285 GeneJockey

Yeah, only Liberals would hang a man from a Maple tree!
//

Or Canadians…

287 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:30:43pm

I want to hang Snowjob from one of the higher and stiffer branches of John Bolton’s mustache.

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:31:09pm

What a butcher:

289 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:31:14pm

Apparently the Sour Apple trees are already being used to hang Jeff Davis.

290 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:32:32pm

Well, at least John didn’t go all blood eagle on us.

291 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:33:08pm

apparently according to some people today is ‘chooseday’

bleddy brits

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:33:49pm

re: #291 dog philosopher

apparently according to some people today is ‘chooseday’

bleddy brits

My favorite day of the week is Pie Day!

293 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:33:58pm

re: #291 dog philosopher

apparently according to some people today is ‘chooseday’

bleddy brits

Just wait till Weddensday.

294 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:34:00pm
295 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:34:17pm

re: #292 Lord of the Pies

My favorite day of the week is Pie Day!

Every day is Pie Day.

296 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:34:22pm
With the help of his therapist,” wrote attorney John Kern, “Mr. Beale has come to recognize that, beyond the motive of greed, his theft and deception were animated by a highly self-destructive and dysfunctional need to engage in excessively reckless, risky behavior.” Kern also said Beale was driven “to manipulate those around him through the fabrication of grandiose narratives … that are fueled by his insecurities.”

The two sentencing memos, along with documents obtained by NBC News, offer new details about what some officials describe as one of the most audacious, and creative, federal frauds they have ever encountered.

297 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:34:34pm

re: #295 Kragar

Every day is Pie Day.

KEY LIME!

298 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:35:18pm

re: #287 erik_t

I want to hang Snowjob from one of the higher and stiffer branches of John Bolton’s mustache.

Given their relative heights, that would require suspending Mr. Bolton from something taller……

hey…..

/

299 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:35:34pm

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

What a butcher:

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He already got life, so this doesn’t really matter. He deserves every day he was sentenced to, though.

300 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:37:17pm

I haven’t been keeping up on the threads around here the last few days…have the Lizard folk discussed the revelations that Snowden cheated to get his job at the NSA?

I know it was a part of the 60 Minutes thing on him, but I didn’t see it discussed. If it was, can you point me in the right direction.

I remember when it first appeared he took the job exclusively to get to the data. The cheating to get the job seems to add to all that. And as discussed here, it sure does seem like he had a reason to do all this other than his own “whistle blowing” story. It looks like someone knew that data was there, and they needed a guy just smart and bold enough to get to it. Someone was probably more interest in the how it was done than the data itself.

Here is the CBS bit for review. Sorry if it has all been seen and discussed before.

Youtube Video

301 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:39:19pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

What a bizarre story.

Beyond Beale’s individual fate, his case raises larger questions about how he was able to get away with his admitted fraud for so long, according to federal and congressional investigators.

Yet again.

302 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:39:58pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

I haven’t been keeping up on the threads around here the last few days…have the Lizard folk discussed the revelations that Snowden cheated to get his job at the NSA?

We discussed that months ago when this first broke.

Like how could a loser with no diploma & shitty creds land a sweet job like that?

White guy privilege.

303 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:40:36pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

The two sentencing memos, along with documents obtained by NBC News, offer new details about what some officials describe as one of the most audacious, and creative, federal frauds they have ever encountered.

Wow! just WOW!!! I’m surprised that he didn’t bill the goverment for the custom made supporter he had to wear to carry the balls it would take to pull that off. Most people are content to try and make a couple of grand on false invoices and padded expense reports. This guy created an entire side life with a back story. Not condoning it for a second, but man-o-man, ya gotta give him credit for going outside the box.

RBS
who now has no problems taking home extra paper clips

304 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:40:38pm

Maybe conservatives can hang Gosnell and Snowden from each end of Bolton’s ‘stache. Make everyone happy.

305 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:42:16pm

And the Senate voted to end debate on the budget deal 67-33, which is 7 votes more than the cloture motion needed.

The shutdown drama is gone for a good long while. Good riddance!

306 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:42:20pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

My new Page is about a current Republican inclination to limit the number of 2016 debates and limit who moderates them. Check it out.

Unsurprising. Rick Perry had a shot at the nomination until he had to open his mouth and attempt to talk.

307 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:42:23pm

I’ve seen developing countries and frat houses with cleaner restrooms. Disgusting.

308 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:42:53pm

re: #301 wrenchwench

What a bizarre story.

Yet again.

Must have been the same people who cleared security for the South African sign-language interpreter.

309 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:43:28pm

re: #308 Sol Berdinowitz

Must have been the same people who cleared security for the South African sign-language interpreter.

And Snowden.

310 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:43:42pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

And the Senate voted to end debate on the budget deal 67-33, which is 7 votes more than the cloture motion needed.

The shutdown drama is gone for a good long while. Good riddance!

Now we only have to worry about a debt default drama. Hopefully the President makes very, very clear he won’t negotiate, and there will be no drama at all as the GOP resentfully casts its votes to raise the limit.

311 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:44:02pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

And the Senate voted to end debate on the budget deal 67-33, which is 7 votes more than the cloture motion needed.

The shutdown drama is gone for a good long while. Good riddance!

312 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:46:13pm

If I win Mega Millions I’m going to open up mah own brothel.

313 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:07pm

re: #312 Gus

If I win Mega Millions I’m going to open up mah own brothel.

What kind of soup you gonna have?

314 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:15pm

You know. I try to avoid lookism but I must say. McConnell really does look like a turtle.

315 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:17pm
316 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:33pm
317 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:43pm

re: #310 aagcobb

Now we only have to worry about a debt default drama. Hopefully the President makes very, very clear he won’t negotiate, and there will be no drama at all as the GOP resentfully casts its votes to raise the limit.

My own feeling is that the can will be kicked down the road in some fashion till after the Kentucky Republican primary.

318 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:55pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

What kind of soup you gonna have?

What else! Cream of mushroom.

319 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:48:58pm

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

320 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:49:15pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs Please, give it more publicity. It just brings people closer to the truth that we all know. We live in a police state.

…he says, out loud, in a public and open forum, probably from his home computer.

Dudebros are really fucking dumb.

321 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:49:59pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

You moved to New Jersey? //

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:50:00pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

All radio is instrumental versions of “Every Breath You Take” 24x7.
/

323 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:50:04pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

Did you say something? I can’t hear it. I think Obama has silenced you.

324 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:50:04pm
325 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:50:15pm

re: #321 Gus

You moved to New Jersey? //

Ouch!

326 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:50:53pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

Luckily,

“The culture of indiscriminate worldwide surveillance, exposed to public debates and real investigations on every continent, is collapsing”

327 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:51:51pm

re: #314 Gus

You know. I try to avoid lookism but I must say. McConnell really does look like a turtle.

IT’s Time to play… YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!

Which of these is a cold blooded amphibian reptile (my bad) and which is a turtle?

RBS

328 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:52:19pm

If I win the Mega Millions I’m going to buy thousands of large white rats (with pink eyes) and release them in GG’s neighborhood.

…..and then retire off the coast of Spain.

329 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:52:20pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

” We know. we are listening to you phone calls.” -NSA

330 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:52:42pm

re: #327 RealityBasedSteve

IT’s Time to play… YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

Which of these is a cold blooded amphibian and which is a turtle?

RBS

Reptile.

331 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:52:52pm

re: #327 RealityBasedSteve

IT’s Time to play… YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!

[Embedded image]

[Embedded image]

Which of these is a cold blooded amphibian and which is a turtle?

RBS

Amphibian? He’s a newt!

332 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:53:06pm

re: #27 Kragar

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So FreeRepublic men will start marrying men then?

333 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:53:09pm

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

My own feeling is that the can will be kicked down the road in some fashion till after the Kentucky Republican primary.

In the latest PPP poll, McConnell is only leading the Democratic candidate, Grimes, by 1 point, 43-42. But its PPP, and McConnell has only just begun to unleash his war chest against her.

334 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:53:26pm

re: #324 Lord of the Pies

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This isn’t about Snowden!

Also. Glenn sure like state actors as long as they’re promoting his client.

335 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:53:32pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

Youtube Video

336 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:54:19pm
337 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:54:25pm
338 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:54:59pm

[Facebook] I started to type something about a police state, and then thought better of it [/Facebook]

339 gwangung  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:55:05pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Kinda insulting to those who HAVE lived in a police state.

340 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:55:17pm
341 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:55:51pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

Youtube Video

342 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:56:47pm

When someone follows me on Twitter and they have a Benghazi “twibbon,” an Andrew Breitbart “WAR” avatar, and a “WE THE PEOPLE” background, I always wonder if I should just block them right away and get it over with.

343 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:56:48pm

re: #337 Gus

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Merkel’s a dudebro?

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:57:15pm

McConnell should be worried about joining those trade missions to China.

Nonetheless, wild turtles continue to be caught and sent to market in large number (as well as to turtle farms, to be used as breeding stock), resulting in a situation described by conservationists as “the Asian turtle crisis”. In the words of the biologist George Amato, “the amount and the volume of captured turtles… vacuumed up entire species from areas in Southeast Asia”, even as biologists still did not know how many distinct turtle species live in the region. About 75% of Asia’s 90 tortoise and freshwater turtle species are estimated to have become threatened.

345 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:57:24pm

re: #330 Feline Fearless Leader and also Wrenchwench

Reptile.

You all are FAST. The second after I posted it I saw the problem, went in to edit, and then you both had nailed me.

RBS

346 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:57:37pm
347 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:58:20pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

When someone follows me on Twitter and they have a Benghazi “twibbon,” an Andrew Breitbart “WAR” avatar, and a “WE THE PEOPLE” background, I always wonder if I should just block them right away and get it over with.

I’d say yes. Someone like that is only following you to troll.

348 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:58:26pm

re: #337 Gus

Merkel compared NSA to Stasi in heated encounter with Obama

But if you actually read the article this isn’t a direct quote. It’s relayed second hand from an anonymous source.

349 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:58:36pm
350 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:58:56pm

You can’t have another day where someone isn’t comparing something or someone to Nazis. It’s all the rage these days.

351 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:59:33pm

re: #350 Gus

You know who else had rages?

352 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 12:59:33pm

re: #349 Lord of the Pies

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The call is coming from INSIDE THE BUILDING!!!

353 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:02pm

re: #345 RealityBasedSteve

You all are FAST. The second after I posted it I saw the problem, went in to edit, and then you both had nailed me.

RBS

I am related to batrachologists, you must forgive me.

354 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:15pm

re: #351 jaunte

You know who else had rages?

Mr. Hilter? You know, from the National Bocialist Party?

355 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:18pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

But if you actually read the article this isn’t a direct quote. It’s relayed second hand from an anonymous source.

Ah, thought that might be the case. I’m blind RTing here.

356 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:31pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

When someone follows me on Twitter and they have a Benghazi “twibbon,” an Andrew Breitbart “WAR” avatar, and a “WE THE PEOPLE” background, I always wonder if I should just block them right away and get it over with.

His derp might be mildly entertaining, but you’ll never know if you preemptively block him.

357 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:41pm

HURR HURR

358 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:45pm
359 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:00:51pm
(A related truth: Although it is statistically possible, I have never felt afraid that a black man on the street will rape me. Between him and me, it’s me the cops would believe, me who would be seen on television, and me who can tell the story the majority wants to hear. The real threat is from white guys in nice clothes who can get close enough to whisper without anyone around us looking twice.)

so, so true.

360 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #343 wrenchwench

Merkel’s a dudebro?

no, she’s just playing to the peanut gallery. If she hadn’t gone after Obama over the NSA, detractors would have said she was subserviant to him or an active participant in the spying. She had an election coming at that point, so she needed to DERP it up to forestall that accusation.

361 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:01:14pm

Notice the difference - this is how the NYT reports it: U.S.-Germany Intelligence Partnership Falters Over Spying

“She told him, ‘This is like the Stasi,’ ” said one person who had discussed the conversation with the chancellor.

And this is how the Guardian reports it: Merkel Compared NSA to Stasi in Heated Encounter With Obama | World News | the Guardian

Livid after learning from Der Spiegel magazine that the Americans were listening in to her personal mobile phone, Merkel confronted Obama with the accusation: “This is like the Stasi.”

The Guardian does not even mention that this isn’t a direct quote. But they put it in quotes and attribute to Merkel.

That, my friends, is journalistic malpractice.

362 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:01:41pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

HELP I’M LIVING IN A POLICE STATE

Does this mean LGF won’t be supporting https anytime soon?

363 Dr. Matt  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:01:49pm

What did people use as a comparison prior to Nazis?

364 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:01:57pm

re: #358 Gus

Chocolate Reichstag
google.com

365 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:02:26pm

re: #364 jaunte

Chocolate Reichstag
google.com

Nom.

366 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:02:31pm

Best 404 page ever.

acm.uiuc.edu

Keep watching…it doesn’t stop.

367 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:03:04pm

re: #364 jaunte

Chocolate Reichstag
google.com

So it didn’t melt in the fire?
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368 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:03:23pm

re: #363 Dr. Matt

Huns, usually.

369 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:03:55pm

re: #361 Charles Johnson

….The Guardian does not even mention that this isn’t a direct quote. But they put it in quotes and attribute to Merkel.

That, my friends, is journalistic malpractice about par for the course.

FTFY, sadly.

370 dell*nix  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:04:11pm

OT - Storm Large in Romanian. Youtube Video

371 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:04:52pm

I said this last night.

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:05:12pm

re: #363 Dr. Matt

What did people use as a comparison prior to Nazis?

It varied. Perfidious Albion, The Yellow Peril, Jews, the Papists, etc. All depended on whom your national government and its controlled media decided was the proper boogeymen to blame and rail against at the time.

373 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:05:15pm
374 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:05:32pm

re: #368 jaunte

Huns, usually.

Actual Huns, as in “Attila the …”, or WWI-style Huns, as it “Let’s go kill the …”?

375 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:06:15pm
376 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:06:19pm

re: #374 GeneJockey

I think the WW1 Hun reference was to recall the original Attila version.

377 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:06:33pm

re: #328 Dr. Matt

If I win the Mega Millions I’m going to buy thousands of large white rats (with pink eyes) and release them in GG’s neighborhood.

…..and then retire off the coast of Spain.

I might buy a battalion of the Brazilian military police and release them in GG’s ‘hood. Clean up the infestation of foreign meddlers, that sort of thing.

378 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:06:41pm

KRAGAR!!!!

379 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:07:03pm

re: #374 GeneJockey

Actual Huns, as in “Attila the …”, or WWI-style Huns, as it “Let’s go kill the …”?

Both, though referring to Germans as “the Huns” continued throughout WWII.

380 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:07:55pm

Our source tells us that their source told them that so and so said such and such.

381 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:08:33pm

You’re not going to believe this but Madge told me that Bill told her that Mary thinks you’re an asshole.

382 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:08:45pm

re: #378 FemNaziBitch

KRAGAR!!!!

KHAN!!!!

Youtube Video

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383 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:08:49pm

re: #378 FemNaziBitch

KRAGAR!!!!

ROCKY!!!

384 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:08:56pm
385 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:08pm

re: #373 Kragar

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My surprise, let… - Aw fuck it.

This kind of reminds me of something I saw on Ebay. It was a listing for a ‘Hamilton Watch’, with a single blurry picture taken from about 5 feet away. It had a Buy It Now price of $3000.

It sold.

I checked the seller’s completed listings. The same listing appeared - and sold - for pretty much the same price every couple weeks for several months. I figure it was money laundering.

Same thing here, in a sense. A way to get money to Zimmerman without just overtly handing him cash.

386 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:13pm

re: #380 Gus

Our source tells us that their source told them that so and so said such and such.

Ferris Bueller, 31 Flavors.

387 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:14pm

re: #380 Gus

Our source tells us that their source told them that so and so said such and such.

Ah, “Grapevine Media” at its best.

388 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:40pm

re: #363 Dr. Matt

What did people use as a comparison prior to Nazis?

Before sliced bread, what was the greatest thing since?

389 dell*nix  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:54pm

re: #380 Gus

At least she did not name my second step-mother’s cousin’s husband by name.

390 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:09:55pm

re: #381 Gus

You’re not going to believe this but Madge told me that Bill told her that Mary thinks you’re an asshole.

Ah, the high school gossip chain at its finest.

/

391 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:10:56pm

re: #388 EdDantes

Before sliced bread, what was the greatest thing since?

Fire

392 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:11:04pm

re: #385 GeneJockey

My surprise, let… - Aw fuck it.

This kind of reminds me of something I saw on Ebay. It was a listing for a ‘Hamilton Watch’, with a single blurry picture taken from about 5 feet away. It had a Buy It Now price of $3000.

It sold.

I checked the seller’s completed listings. The same listing appeared - and sold - for pretty much the same price every couple weeks for several months. I figure it was money laundering.

Same thing here, in a sense. A way to get money to Zimmerman without just overtly handing him cash.

You have a mistrusting and felonious mind. I knew there was something I liked about you. I never would have thought of that, but sure, it makes sense.

RBS

393 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:11:44pm

re: #388 EdDantes

Before sliced bread, what was the greatest thing since?

Bottled beer.

394 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:12:01pm

The Stasi used to shoot people for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

395 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:12:07pm

re: #383 Kragar

ROCKY!!!

ADRIAN!!

396 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:12:26pm

re: #376 jaunte

I think the WW1 Hun reference was to recall the original Attila version.

Actually, it was originally a reference to a speech Kaiser Wilhelm II had given to the German East Asia Brigade in 1900, as it was departing for China to assist in the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion. He encouraged his troops to sow terror and make the Chinese as afraid of the wrath of Germany as China had been afraid of the Huns.

This also dovetailed with the fact the Boxers were not part of a national army and thus were considered by the Germans to be ‘Franc-Tireurs’ (the German army’s preferred term for insurgents) and as such subject to summary execution.

397 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:12:42pm
398 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:03pm

re: #394 Gus

The Stasi used to shoot people for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

No cold cereal for them for breakfast, not when you can dine on the steaming kidneys of your enemies.

RBS

399 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:12pm

re: #394 Gus

The Stasi used to shoot people for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

As entertainment, or for food?

400 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:28pm

re: #399 GeneJockey

As entertainment, or for food?

Yes.

401 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:37pm

re: #398 RealityBasedSteve

No cold cereal for them for breakfast, not when you can dine on the steaming kidneys of your enemies.

RBS

Missed it by 9 seconds.

402 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:42pm

re: #395 aagcobb

ADRIAN!!

BAH, you had to go with that one.

Youtube Video

403 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:13:48pm

re: #399 GeneJockey

As entertainment, or for food?

Soup. Or in this case. Broth.

404 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:15:06pm

HURR HURR

405 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:15:08pm

re: #392 RealityBasedSteve

You have a mistrusting and felonious mind. I knew there was something I liked about you. I never would have thought of that, but sure, it makes sense.

RBS

I once lightheartedly said to a girlfriend, “Don’t I have an honest face?”

She paused, studied my face, and said, “No. No, you really don’t. Your irises are too pale.”

406 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:15:36pm

re: #403 Gus

Soup. Or in this case. Broth.

Not what you’re planning to serve in your Brothel, I hope.

407 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:15:39pm

re: #402 Kragar

BAH, you had to go with that one.

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Damn! That would’ve been better.

408 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:15:54pm

Sirota is trying to out-Glenn Glenn.

409 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:16:02pm

Even when they want to sound reasonable, they just don’t make sense:

Sean Duffy: Fellow Republicans Sometimes ‘Come Across As Knuckle-Dragging Neanderthals’

Former Rep. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.) on Tuesday joined the chorus of Republicans urging their colleagues to tone down their rhetoric, comparing some of his fellow conservatives to “knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.”

Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Duffy said some members of the GOP need to work on getting their message across more effectively.

“From my perspective, and I come from a very 50-60 district in central and northern Wisconsin, you have people on our side of the aisle that have a really abrasive tone,” he said. “We can come across as knuckle-dragging Neanderthals on occasion.”

Duffy continued, “I’m a fiscal and social conservative, but we have to actually take our message to where people are at. We have moms that can’t pay the utility bill, dads who can’t pay the mortgage. How does our conservative ideology and philosophy actually help lift them out of the place that they’re in today and move them up the economic ladder? We don’t do a good job of presenting that message, and we have to change how we’re doing it.”

[…]

For some reason they just can’t grasp that it’s not the messaging, but it’s the actual message that is wrong.

410 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:18:11pm

re: #409 freetoken

Duffy continued, “I’m a fiscal and social conservative, but we have to actually take our message to where people are at. We have moms that can’t pay the utility bill, dads who can’t pay the mortgage. How does our conservative ideology and philosophy actually help lift them out of the place that they’re in today and move them up the economic ladder?

It doesn’t.

411 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:18:49pm

re: #404 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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And had the judge ruled as he should have, based upon the law as it is written as opposed to how he thinks it should be written, David would be screaming from the rooftops that it was another “activist judge,” probably acting at the orders of the shadowy Obama cabal.

412 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:29pm

re: #363 Dr. Matt

What did people use as a comparison prior to Nazis?

JOOOOOOSSSSSS

413 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:30pm

re: #410 Lord of the Pies

It doesn’t.

(Flame from behind large head representing “The Great and Powerful Conservatism”)

GPC: Pay no attention to the policy behind the rhetoric!

//

414 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:41pm

re: #403 Gus

Soup. Or in this case. Broth.

An old woman in a retirement home was walking around lifting her gown and saying, “Super sex!” She lifted her gown and yelled, “Super sex” in front of one wheel-chair bound man who replied, “soup.”

415 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:51pm

re: #8 piratedan

Heh. The Stasi would break in your house, steal, then jar up your underwear. Very peculiar.

416 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:56pm

re: #409 freetoken

Even when they want to sound reasonable, they just don’t make sense:

Sean Duffy: Fellow Republicans Sometimes ‘Come Across As Knuckle-Dragging Neanderthals’

For some reason they just can’t grasp that it’s not the messaging, but it’s the actual message that is wrong.

They can’t really admit that slashing aid for the poor to give tax cuts to the rich is wrong, can they?

417 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:19:57pm

re: #409 freetoken

Even when they want to sound reasonable, they just don’t make sense:

Sean Duffy: Fellow Republicans Sometimes ‘Come Across As Knuckle-Dragging Neanderthals’

For some reason they just can’t grasp that it’s not the messaging, but it’s the actual message that is wrong.

I’d say “you can’t polish a turd,” ‘cept the Mythbusters proved that wrong. So instead I’ll say that you can, but no matter how shiny you might make it, it’s still full of shit.

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:20:01pm

David Sirota is like a little Glenn Greenwald mini-me.

He just has to work on that overblown ego.

419 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:20:54pm

re: #414 EdDantes

An old woman in a retirement home was walking around lifting her gown and saying, “Super sex!” She lifted her gown and yelled, “Super sex” in front of one wheel-chair bound man who replied, “soup What kind of soup?”

FT for better delivery.
//

420 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:21:52pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

I’d say “you can’t polish a turd,” ‘cept the Mythbusters proved that wrong. So instead I’ll say that you can, but no matter how shiny you might make it, it’s still full of shit.

And the lead balloon.

421 aagcobb  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:22:15pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

I’d say “you can’t polish a turd,” ‘cept the Mythbusters proved that wrong. So instead I’ll say that you can, but no matter how shiny you might make it, it’s still full of shit.

They really had an episode about polishing a turd? Awesome! As was your post.

422 Gus  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:22:22pm

Yeah. The USA has Stasi prisons, Soviet Siberian prisons, and gulags. Yeah, it’s the same. Yep.

423 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:22:40pm

Arapahoe High School shooter planned to attack 5 areas of school

9news.com

CENTENNIAL - The investigation into the Arapahoe High School shooting on Dec. 13 determined the shooter planned to attack at least five areas of the high school that day.

“Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson released new details Tuesday afternoon about the items the shooter brought with him into the school. He was armed with a 12-gauge, pump-action shotgun, three functional molotov cocktails, a machete in a canvas scabbard and more than 125 rounds of assorted types of shotgun ammunition (steel-shot, buckshot and slug).

“According to investigators, the shooter carried numerous rounds of shotgun ammunition in two bandoliers worn across his chest and waist and carried the remaining items in a backpack.

“Investigators say the shooter used a permanent marker to write a phrase in Latin on the inside of his forearm. “Alea iacta est,” translates into English as “The Die Has Been Cast.”

424 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:22:52pm

re: #366 darthstar

Best 404 page ever.

acm.uiuc.edu

Keep watching…it doesn’t stop.

“I can’t let you do that, Dave” —seems to be missing.

425 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:24:20pm

re: #423 Justanotherhuman

Arapahoe High School shooter planned to attack 5 areas of school

9news.com

CENTENNIAL - The investigation into the Arapahoe High School shooting on Dec. 13 determined the shooter planned to attack at least five areas of the high school that day.

“Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson released new details Tuesday afternoon about the items the shooter brought with him into the school. He was armed with a 12-gauge, pump-action shotgun, three functional molotov cocktails, a machete in a canvas scabbard and more than 125 rounds of assorted types of shotgun ammunition (steel-shot, buckshot and slug).

“According to investigators, the shooter carried numerous rounds of shotgun ammunition in two bandoliers worn across his chest and waist and carried the remaining items in a backpack.

“Investigators say the shooter used a permanent marker to write a phrase in Latin on the inside of his forearm. “Alea iacta est,” translates into English as “The Die Has Been Cast.”

HURR HURR SOSHULIST!!!!11!!!

426 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:24:24pm

re: #307 Dr. Matt

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I’ve seen developing countries and frat houses with cleaner restrooms. Disgusting.

That is just gross as shit.

427 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:24:49pm

re: #404 Lord of the Pies

Real whistleblowers don’t steal classified documents then flee the country.

I’d have more respect for Eddie if he did everything on American soil.

428 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:25:50pm

re: #422 Gus

Yeah. The USA has Stasi prisons, Soviet Siberian prisons, and gulags. Yeah, it’s the same. Yep.

and just last week my next door neighbor (who never lived there to start with really, I swear) just disappeared into a van driven by 3 guys in stylish trenchcoats. Haven’t seen him since. 3rd or 4th time this year that’s happened.

RBS

429 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:26:15pm

re: #419 GeneJockey

That works too :-)

430 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:26:36pm

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it was originally a reference to a speech Kaiser Wilhelm II had given to the German East Asia Brigade in 1900, as it was departing for China to assist in the suppression of the Boxer Rebellion. He encouraged his troops to sow terror and make the Chinese as afraid of the wrath of Germany as China had been afraid of the Huns.

This also dovetailed with the fact the Boxers were not part of a national army and thus were considered by the Germans to be ‘Franc-Tireurs’ (the German army’s preferred term for insurgents) and as such subject to summary execution.

The Civil Air Patrol owes its origin as a uniformed service to Franc-Tireur policy. Early in World War 2, civilian pilots were volunteering to fly their planes on anti-submarine patrol off the US coast. It occurred to someone that they could be shot as insurgents and spies if captured out of uniform. The CAP was organized basically to get them into an official uniform. The same is true of the NOAA Commissioned Corps and its predecessor organization, the Coast and Geodetic Survey. In the 19th century, government surveyors often accompanied military units in the field. They, too, were commissioned and put in uniforms so they wouldn’t be shot as spies.

431 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:28:54pm

re: #427 Lidane

Real whistleblowers don’t steal classified documents then flee the country.

I’d have more respect for Eddie if he did everything on American soil.

This.

432 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:30:01pm

re: #430 Shiplord Kirel

Thank you. As a young teenager I was a cadet in the Civil Air Patrol.

433 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:30:50pm

re: #431 Kragar

This.

Yes. It bugs the hell out of me that Daniel Ellsberg, who surrendered himself to the US Attorney and took his lumps, champions this guy.

434 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:31:21pm

re: #427 Lidane

Real whistleblowers don’t steal classified documents then flee the country.

I’d have more respect for Eddie if he did everything on American soil.

Civil disobedience only functions when you’re willing to get caught.

435 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:31:48pm

re: #430 Shiplord Kirel

The Civil Air Patrol owes its origin as a uniformed service to Franc-Tireur policy. Early in World War 2, civilian pilots were volunteering to fly their planes on anti-submarine patrol off the US coast. It occurred to someone that they could be shot as insurgents and spies if captured out of uniform. The CAP was organized basically to get them into an official uniform. The same is true of the NOAA Commissioned Corps. In the 19th century, government surveyors often accompanied military units in the field. They, too, were commissioned and put in uniforms so they wouldn’t be shot as spies.

I didn’t know that. Thank you for the lesson.

436 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:32:14pm

bbl

437 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:33:19pm

Bahston looks bleak…

438 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:34:55pm

re: #432 EdDantes

Thank you. As a young teenager I was a cadet in the Civil Air Patrol.

I joined as a cadet in 1964. Once a cadet, always a cadet. It was a lot more fun than the Boy Scouts. The uniforms were way more cool, and free besides. I’ve been a member ever since (though not active during my military service) and will get my 50 year ribbon next year.

439 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:36:13pm

A review of creationism in Texas politics, in light of the recent GOP lt. governorship debate and the past few years of battles in the SBOE:


Polling Center: GOP Candidates, Voters and Creationism

[…]

We have also asked more specific questions about both beliefs and their relationship to political attitudes that paint an even more detailed portrait of just how skeptical of science Texans become when it is posed directly against religious faith. In the midst of the 2010 debates over curriculum on the State Board of Education, which included science texts and discussion of the validity of theories of human evolution and their status vis-a-vis creationism, the UT/TT Poll asked a short battery of questions about beliefs related to the history of human existence.

The question most relevant to last week’s debate in Waco asked, “Which of the following statements comes closest to your views on the origin and development of human beings?” The responses reveal that about half of Texans rejected evolution outright or either didn’t know or didn’t want to express an opinion:

Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided the process. (38%)

Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, and God had no part in the process. (12%)

God created human beings pretty much in their present form about 10,000 years ago. (38%)
Don’t know (12%)

Republicans in the sample expressed less secular views than the registered voters. Only 7 percent of Republicans chose the option of evolution with no divine role, while 48 percent chose the creationist option without a role for evolution. Another 35 percent chose the God-guided evolutionary process. So when Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said at last week’s debate, “I understand there are a lot of people who disagree with me, and believe in evolution,” he probably wasn’t disagreeing with very many Republicans.

[…]

That’s right, half of Texas Republicans are hard core literal creationists. None of this God-guides-evolution crap for them!

And then we wonder why TX has the leaders they do.

The link gives links to various polling data over time, done in Texas.

440 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:36:17pm

re: #433 GeneJockey

Yes. It bugs the hell out of me that Daniel Ellsberg, who surrendered himself to the US Attorney and took his lumps, champions this guy.

Ellsberg has gotten kind of kooky in recent years. But in the Pentagon Papers case, Ellsberg didn’t just stay and face the consequences, he actually exposed some very real wrongdoing. He revealed that the Johnson administration knew the Vietnam War could not be won, and they were hiding the real casualty figures to keep the truth away from the US public, and lying to Congress about it.

There’s just no doubt that this was a serious case of governmental abuse, if not outright law-breaking. And it directly caused the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers.

441 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:37:46pm

re: #440 Charles Johnson

Ellsberg has gotten kind of kooky in recent years. But in the Pentagon Papers case, Ellsberg didn’t just stay and face the consequences, he actually exposed some very real wrongdoing. He revealed that the Johnson administration knew the Vietnam War could not be won, and they were hiding the real casualty figures to keep the truth away from the US public, and lying to Congress.

There’s just no doubt that this was a serious case of governmental abuse, if not outright law-breaking.

He also didn’t get a job under false pretenses to steal even more secrets.

442 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #434 erik_t

Civil disobedience only functions when you’re willing to get caught.

Being stuck in Putinland is sort of like getting caught. I suspect Snowden was more concerned about being stopped.

443 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:40:06pm
LITERAL. Which of these statements comes closest to describing your feelings about the Bible?

1. The Bible is the actual word of God and is
to be taken literally, word for word. 29%

2. The Bible is the word of God but not
everything in it should be taken literally, word for word. 43

3. The Bible is a book written by men and is not the word of God. 22

4. Don’t know

So there.

444 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:40:39pm

re: #441 GeneJockey

He also didn’t get a job under false pretenses to steal even more secrets.

That really is the major difference between Snowden and Ellsberg, the latter actually was just a guy who’d stumbled across evidence of government wrongdoing and went to the press with it. From all available evidence, Snowden began planning for his espionage months in advance and went purposefully looking for anything that looked the least bit shocking if taken out of context.

445 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:42:00pm

re: #437 Justanotherhuman

Bahston looks bleak…

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446 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:42:35pm

re: #431 Kragar

This.

His cowardice outweighs anything positive he might have done. Which I don’t see, either. Others have been griping about this kind of govt intrusion since the Patriot Act was passed.

He just absolutely went about it the wrong way and as far as I’m concerned, he’s still a thief, liar and traitor. In earlier times, people like Snowden, Greenwald, et al, would have been arrested, tried, and imprisoned. I think they know what they’ve done and it is imperative for them to stay out of this country.

447 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:42:45pm

re: #438 Shiplord Kirel

I agree. I had some great experiences in the CAP. I would recommend it to any young person. One of the things I liked about it was that the air force officers treated us as if we were airmen, and not kids.

448 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:47:59pm

re: #445 wrenchwench

Yeah, it’s been warm on SoCal too. Yesterday’s Record Report:


SXUS76 KSGX 170032
RERSGX

RECORD EVENT REPORT...FINAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
430 PM PST MON DEC 16 2013

...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON DEC 16 2013 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

RAMONA 86 83 IN 1980 1974
ELSINORE 88 87 IN 1980 1897
CAMPO 78 76 IN 1996 1948


...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON DEC 16 2013 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

LAGUNA BEACH 61 60 IN 1957 1928
CAMPO 55 TIED 55 IN 1980 1948

449 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:49:46pm

re: #446 Justanotherhuman

His cowardice outweighs anything positive he might have done. Which I don’t see, either. Others have been griping about this kind of govt intrusion since the Patriot Act was passed.

He just absolutely went about it the wrong way and as far as I’m concerned, he’s still a thief, liar and traitor. In earlier times, people like Snowden, Greenwald, et al, would have been arrested, tried, and imprisoned. I think they know what they’ve done and it is imperative for them to stay out of this country.

Concur. Whatever the truth of what he uncovered, Edward Snowden is an honorless weasel, not a hero.

450 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:50:41pm

re: #447 EdDantes

I agree. I had some great experiences in the CAP. I would recommend it to any young person. One of the things I liked about it was that the air force officers treated us as if we were airmen, and not kids.

We got to do some real world missions, with due regard for safety. When I was 16 my unit went traipsing through the Tehachapi Mountains looking for a missing city councilman. He had fallen out of a boat, drunk, a few days earlier. My brother and I found him, in a creek, dead for several days, in the middle of the California summer. My mother was horrified but my father (a firefighter) thought I was probably old enough to handle it. It was an important lesson in understanding the consequences of one’s own decisions.

451 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:53:36pm

452 Stoatly  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:55:13pm

re: #415 Amory Blaine

Heh. The Stasi would break in your house, steal, then jar up your underwear. Very peculiar.

Very practical - in a really creepy way

453 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 1:58:44pm

I have annoyed Sirota. Day made. Hahahaha.

454 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:00:27pm

re: #451 Charles Johnson

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Sister Bertrille’s dog.

455 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:04:10pm

re: #445 wrenchwench

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Record HIGH temperatures = IT DOESNT’ MEAN ANYTHING ABOUT CLIMATE!!!

Unseasonable, but not record LOW temperatures = THERE’S NO GLOBAL WARMING AND AL GORE IS FAT

456 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:04:44pm
457 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:10:55pm

re: #450 Shiplord Kirel

I know what you mean. My CAP squadron 702 responded to a gruesome auto accident. We helped but is was not pleasant.

458 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:12:17pm
459 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:13:11pm

re: #450 Shiplord Kirel

You must have been around Bakersfield, ca. I hate bakers field.

460 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:13:36pm

re: #458 Charles Johnson

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Someone here posted that same saying last night after I posted the CNN article about Google buying a company that makes robots for the DoD.

461 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:17:34pm

LOL.

LOL.

462 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:19:30pm

re: #461 erik_t

LOL.
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LOL.


..
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463 jaunte  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:23:23pm

re: #461 erik_t

It’s like the energizer bunny of grievance generation.

“While the abstract idea of President Obama signing up for insurance under his own legislation may seem like a good idea, the next time Carney is asked when the president is planning on signing up, he should answer: He’s not, because Obamacare is for people who don’t already have access to the best health care in the world.”
mediaite.com

464 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:23:27pm

re: #461 erik_t

LOL.
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LOL.

Wow…you really can tell the difference between Sherwin Williams and Behr.

465 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:23:33pm

Straight from the horse’s mouth. “…Poitras and I have been working with him since February…”

466 fern01  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:25:56pm

I’m waiting for CNN to delete the 3751 erroneous tweets about the President and his administration - they could start with the ACA

467 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:26:02pm

re: #465 Justanotherhuman

Straight from the horse’s mouth. “…Poitras and I have been working with him since February…”

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And long before he stole any secrets from the NSA.

468 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:26:36pm

re: #450 Shiplord Kirel

Although unpleasant, that kind of experience makes men and women more able to respond to emergencies, You did well.

469 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:27:18pm

re: #464 darthstar

Wow…you really can tell the difference between Sherwin Williams and Behr.

Huh?

470 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:27:54pm

re: #467 darthstar

And long before he stole any secrets from the NSA.

I believe you are mistaken on that point.

471 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:28:17pm

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

Huh?

Painted ladies joke.

472 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:30:11pm

re: #471 darthstar

Painted ladies joke.

I kind of get it now.

473 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:31:04pm

re: #468 EdDantes

Hey Ed, it’d be really great if you could revisit the old thread where you claimed that your company had dropped your insurance because Aetna had moved out of California because of Obamacare. This claim is highly odd because Aetna did not move out of California and did not drop their small business or large business insurance plans.

In the light of these facts, can you explain the discrepancies in your story?

474 AlexRogan  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:33:40pm

re: #49 Kragar

Because straight people never have orgasms.

Just ask any married Freeper.

“Conservative” sex: Missionary position and the man is the only one who’s allowed to get off, because God’s will, that’s why.

475 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:34:34pm

re: #474 AlexRogan

“Conservative” sex: Missionary position and the man is the only one who’s allowed to get off, because God’s will, that’s why.

Stop.
Just stop.
I don’t need to read these kinds of things.
:P

476 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:34:35pm

You know the number of shopping days till Christmas are running low when your frequent flyer club sends you email from their “partners” every hour or so, hawking the latest super sale of items no one ever uses.

477 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:35:19pm

re: #476 freetoken

You know the number of shopping days till Christmas are running low when your frequent flyer club sends you email from their “partners” every hour or so, hawking the latest super sale of items no one ever uses.

Fly.
Fly.
Fly.
ARE YOU FLYING YET?

478 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:36:16pm

re: #477 Varek Raith

C’mon, how many leather handbags can on guy use?

479 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:37:02pm

re: #478 freetoken

C’mon, how many leather handbags can on guy use?

I dunno, I’ll let you find that one out.

480 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:37:21pm
481 freetoken  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:39:00pm

re: #479 Varek Raith

Not only that, but Grist has been sending out multiple pleas for money. I finally had to opt out of getting any emails from them.

482 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:39:48pm

re: #443 freetoken

The Bible is the actual word of God and is
to be taken literally, word for word. 29%

the question then becomes whether 1) every word in the old testament should be taken as law, including kashrut, polygamy and slavery, and animal sacrifice, or 2) whether the old testament is superceded - the “new covenant” - and only the new testament is to be followed letter for letter

and if the first, then either follow kosher law & etc, or tell me who has the authority to tell you which words of god in the old testament need to be obeyed and which may be ignored, and where they got the authority, and where they wrote it all down

483 AlexRogan  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:39:57pm

re: #102 Lord of the Pies

Glenn and Eddie have been on the outs for a long time already. Glenn figured he could do just as well on his own, and Eddie didn’t really have a choice about it.

GG dumped Snowjob as soon as Snowjob was out of the Moscow airport and in the loving embrace of Putin and the FSB, because he already had all of the classified info he would ever get.

Snowjob’s usefulness to GG, aside from becoming a totem for GG to wave around from time to time, is pretty much over.

Eddie, you got played by a con man more devious and experienced than yourself.

484 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:40:09pm
485 Stoatly  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:40:12pm

re: #459 EdDantes

You must have been around Bakersfield, ca. I hate bakers field.

Youtube Video

486 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:40:56pm

re: #473 Uncle Obdicut

Hey, Uncle whatever, I was saying that Aetna had moved out of the personal insurance biz. My company did not drop Aetna. Aetna stopped selling insurance to my company because of Obamacare

487 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:43:24pm

re: #486 EdDantes

Hey, Uncle whatever,

wtf?

488 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:45:02pm

re: #487 wrenchwench

wtf?

Beats me, whateverwrench.

489 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:45:31pm

re: #487 wrenchwench

wtf?

Obdicut. Does that make it better?

490 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:46:56pm

re: #478 freetoken

C’mon, how many leather handbags can on guy use?

Well, if its a clothing sale, Seventeen did just publish their prom dress issue.

491 erik_t  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:48:10pm

re: #486 EdDantes

Hey, Uncle whatever, I was saying that Aetna had moved out of the personal insurance biz. My company did not drop Aetna. Aetna stopped selling insurance to my company because of Obamacare

I know corporations are people too, my friend, but this is ridiculous…

492 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:49:19pm

My surprise, etc…

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy

So says a majority of more than three dozen economists surveyed last week by The Associated Press. Their concerns tap into a debate that’s intensified as middle-class pay has stagnated while wealthier households have thrived.

A key source of the economists’ concern: Higher pay and outsize stock market gains are flowing mainly to affluent Americans. Yet these households spend less of their money than do low- and middle-income consumers who make up most of the population but whose pay is barely rising.

“What you want is a broader spending base,” says Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James, a financial advisory firm. “You want more people spending money.”

Shit, you mean “trickle down” was a lie all these years? Say it ain’t so!

//

493 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:50:57pm

re: #470 abolitionist

I believe you are mistaken on that point.

Not at all. He went to work for Booz Hamilton in March 2013 and quit May 20. I also read his girlfriend’s blog when all this broke, and those dates jibe with what she had on her twitter acct. She lamented the fact that he would “disappear” for weeks at a time and called him “The Elusive E”. They lived in Hawaii for about a year, from what she wrote on Twitter.

When he left HI, he lied to her and told her he wouldn’t be back for 2 wks.

494 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:53:01pm

re: #491 erik_t

What Aetna did was a business decision. If they don’t make a profit they don’t exist.

495 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:53:03pm
496 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:53:13pm

re: #486 EdDantes

Hey, Uncle whatever, I was saying that Aetna had moved out of the personal insurance biz. My company did not drop Aetna. Aetna stopped selling insurance to my company because of Obamacare

This is not what you claimed. I’m sorry to see you sticking with the dishonest route.

This is what you said:

The insurer was Aetna. My company had nothing to do with it. Aetna left California

Here is that thread so that everyone can see you clearly claim that your company stopped offering insurance because Aetna left the state, though that single quote above shows that too.

littlegreenfootballs.com

The ACA is a contentious subject, but there’s no point in dishonesty about it, and even less point in easily-disprovable dishonesty.

Care to try again?

497 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:53:17pm

re: #492 Targetpractice

My surprise, etc…

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy

Shit, you mean “trickle down” was a lie all these years? Say it ain’t so!

//

all this crap about the need to balance the budget is dead wrong

money is a liquid, not a solid. it needs to circulate, not accumulate, in order for the economy to function properly

498 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:53:54pm

re: #492 Targetpractice

My surprise, etc…

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy

Shit, you mean “trickle down” was a lie all these years? Say it ain’t so!

//

Gah. I spend almost every cent of my SS check. I think I have about $16 in the bank until Jan. 3. But gift giving is covered and so is a ham dinner.

Reminds me of most of my working life, living from paycheck to paycheck…

499 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:55:29pm

re: #497 dog philosopher

all this crap about the need to balance the budget is dead wrong

money is a liquid, not a solid. it needs to circulate, not accumulate, in order for the economy to function properly

It isn’t the “balancing the budget” BS that sets me off so much as the calls for “broadening the tax base,” which is pretty much an open declaration that they want to raise taxes on the poor so as to avoid taxing the rich a single cent more.

500 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:56:19pm

re: #495 Amory Blaine

I can’t wait for the movie!!

Scott Walker’s book ‘Unintimidated’ has sold 7,200 copies

my own book, ‘unintelligible’, is in the negative sales figures

501 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 2:57:55pm

re: #495 Amory Blaine

I can’t wait for the movie!!

Scott Walker’s book ‘Unintimidated’ has sold 7,200 copies

Scotty’s still got this delusion that he’s presidential material.

502 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:02:00pm

re: #492 Targetpractice

My surprise, etc…

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy

Shit, you mean “trickle down” was a lie all these years? Say it ain’t so!

//

TRICKLE DOWN IS TRUE!!! THE GAP ISN’T BIG ENOUGH FOR IT TO WORK YET!! THE RICH NEED MORE MONEY! WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN RICH?!?!?

503 blueraven  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:02:03pm

Active shooter at Reno Medical center

Reno Fire Department firefighters tell us they have “an active shooter” at Renown Regional Medical Center in Reno.

While investigators search for more clues, we do know that the call came in around 2:15pm on Tuesday for the Kuenzli and Manuel location.

A spokesperson with the City of Reno tells us there are victims, but don’t have an official number; they just tell us the victims have been wounded.

504 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:02:10pm

re: #496 Uncle Obdicut

This is not what you claimed. I’m sorry to see you sticking with the dishonest route.

This is what you said:

Here is that thread so that everyone can see you clearly claim that your company stopped offering insurance because Aetna left the state, though that single quote above shows that too.

littlegreenfootballs.com

The ACA is a contentious subject, but there’s no point in dishonesty about it, and even less point in easily-disprovable dishonesty.

Care to try again?

I’m not trying anything again, Uncle whatever, Aetna stopped selling personal policies so my company could not offer them.

505 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:02:43pm

re: #501 Targetpractice

I’ll bet Scott Walker bought half them books.

506 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:03:08pm

Just to revisit the OP for a minute: again, what exactly is Greenwald saying that people are getting wrong about Snowden’s open letter? Because from where I’m sitting, it sounds like GG is getting huffy that another “freedom fighter” wants to set up shop in his backyard. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

507 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:04:06pm

re: #506 Mattand

Just to revisit the OP for a minute: again, what exactly is Greenwald saying that people are getting wrong about Snowden’s open letter? Because from where I’m sitting, it sounds like GG is getting huffy that another “freedom fighter” wants to set up shop in his backyard. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

Greenwald doesn’t want Snowden in Brazil. Right now, he enjoys 100% of the profits off Snowden’s misery.

508 Uncle Obdicut  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:04:25pm

re: #504 EdDantes

I’m not trying anything again, Uncle whatever, Aetna stopped selling personal policies so my company could not offer them.

Companies don’t offer personal policies, Ed. That’s why they’re personal policies.

509 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:04:39pm

re: #504 EdDantes

I’m not trying anything again, Uncle whatever, Aetna stopped selling personal policies so my company could not offer them.

Youtube Video

510 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:04:47pm

re: #507 darthstar

Greenwald doesn’t want Snowden in Brazil. Right now, he enjoys 100% of the profits off Snowden’s misery.

That’s what I thought. I’m still trying to figure out why CNN would retract that.

511 Varek Raith  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:05:16pm

re: #510 Mattand

That’s what I thought. I’m still trying to figure out why CNN would retract that.

They fear (LOL) him.
Or something.

512 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:06:24pm

Aw, that’s cute, Paul Ryan thinks this time the President will negotiate…

Paul Ryan Suggests Tying Keystone Pipeline To Debt Ceiling Vote

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) on Tuesday suggested that Republicans link the next vote to raise the debt ceiling to approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, the Wall Street Journal reported.

“I, for one, think we need to do more in the energy sector. I believe we need to approve Keystone Pipeline. We need to produce regulatory certainties to all this private capital that develops this energy boon,” Ryan said on the Hugh Hewitt radio show when asked about what the GOP may try to get from the debt ceiling vote. “If we just get the government out of the way, it could be a real renaissance of oil and gas exploration in America, lower our gas prices, stop sending this money to foreign countries.”

I never understand how anybody can say something like that with a straight face, short of being a sociopath or a paid shill…but I repeat myself.

513 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:07:28pm

re: #493 Justanotherhuman

1) By my recollection of events reported, Snowden was already in posession of a significant store of secrets before he ever tried to contact Poitras.
2) Several weeks before the Snowden story broke, I’d seen in a YT video about us govt surveillance one speaker mentioning that Poitras was busy working on some “new project.”

514 gwangung  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:07:57pm

re: #504 EdDantes

I’m not trying anything again, Uncle whatever, Aetna stopped selling personal policies so my company could not offer them.

Well, I’m suggesting that you don’t know what the hell is going on and you’re too damn lazy to find out.

It leaves open the possibility you may have a much better deal out there.

515 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:08:02pm
516 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:08:04pm

re: #508 Uncle Obdicut

Companies don’t offer personal policies, Ed. That’s why they’re personal policies.

I’m really starting to get the feeling Ed is like one of the ACA “victims” that Hannity trotted out a few weeks back.

517 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:08:20pm

I thought Scott Walker’s message of union busting and divide and conquer is something that resonates with the american people. Isn’t that what I’m told by conservative pundits? Those are some pathetic sales.

518 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:09:43pm

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

That was really good. That was really something…

519 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:09:53pm

re: #515 darthstar

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That’s nothing. Wait til he sees the three sea shells in the stall.

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520 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:11:37pm

re: #512 Targetpractice

I think Paul Ryan is setting up this budget agreement to give him credibility on a phony move to the middle to massage his national image and appeal. I expect him to give an orphan a present in front of the cameras then take it back when they’re gone. Or wash some clean dishes at the food kitchen.

521 blueraven  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:13:53pm

Poor Ed

/

522 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:13:56pm

re: #520 Amory Blaine

I think Paul Ryan is setting up this budget agreement to give him credibility on a phony move to the middle to massage his national image and appeal. I expect him to give an orphan a present in front of the cameras then take it back when they’re gone. Or wash some clean dishes at the food kitchen.

Ryan’s just one of those who’ve spoken up since the budget deal got revealed who’s promised they’ll have a fight over raising the debt ceiling in February. Apparently the mantra of “We can’t do it unless we get a cookie!” will be heard again come next month.

523 Mattand  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:14:20pm

re: #520 Amory Blaine

I think Paul Ryan is setting up this budget agreement to give him credibility on a phony move to the middle to massage his national image and appeal. I expect him to give an orphan a present in front of the cameras then take it back when they’re gone. Or wash some clean dishes at the food kitchen.

It’s basically what Scott Walker did in WI, and what my esteemed Gov. Christie is trying to do in NJ: play up the alleged bipartisan credentials, and then go full metal wingnut once the election is over.

524 Kragar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:14:41pm
526 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:17:52pm

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

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Speaking of butthurt videos, has anyone heard from Jimmah or Iceweasel since that horrible pub accident in their vicinity?

527 Amory Blaine  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:18:23pm

Bill would allow charter schools to expand free of districts, unions

Wisconsin could see a dramatic rise in the number of charter schools operating outside of districts and without teachers unions, under a new Assembly bill brought by Republicans that would take independent charters statewide.

The proposed legislation would eliminate district-staffed charters and empower a new slate of authorizers to approve independent charters: all four-year and two-year University of Wisconsin System institutions, as well as all the state’s regional educational service agencies and technical college district boards.

The measure comes as Republican lawmakers intensify their efforts to pass a charter-school bill in the remaining months of the session.

529 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:19:44pm
530 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:23:40pm

re: #513 abolitionist

1) By my recollection of events reported, Snowden was already in posession of a significant store of secrets before he ever tried to contact Poitras.
2) Several weeks before the Snowden story broke, I’d seen in a YT video about us govt surveillance one speaker mentioning that Poitras was busy working on some “new project.”

She was (is) working on a “new project”—in Berlin. But that didn’t stop her from meeting Snowden in Hong Kong w/Greenwald. It seems to me that at some point I also read in the left blogosphere that she had first met up with Snowden in Nov of 2012, but no one seems to be confirming that—the principals wouldn’t, at any rate.

This is a timeline by Joshua Foust, so take it any way you wish. However, he claims that Snowden was stealing docs while working for Dell a full year earlier, but Dell hasn’t made any comment that I’ve seen.

“April, 2012: Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden began downloading documents describing the U.S. government’s electronic spying programs while he was working for Dell Inc in April 2012, almost a year earlier than previously reported, according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the matter.

joshuafoust.com

I think there is more to this story than anyone out here knows, and we’re not getting much of the truth from anyone, esp the principals involved, since it’s their butts on the line as far as any charges are concerned.

I do find it a bit odd, though, that all 3—Snowden, Greenwald and Poitras—no longer are in the US and have no plans to return any time soon.

531 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:27:55pm

re: #427 Lidane

Real whistleblowers don’t steal classified documents then flee the country.

I’d have more respect for Eddie if he did everything on American soil.

I have no respect for Chelsea Manning, but I do feel kinda sorry for her a little bit.

I don’t feel sorry for Snowball AT ALL.

532 fern01  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #505 Amory Blaine

I’ll bet Scott Walker bought half them books.

Learned that from Sarah Palin - it is how you become a NYT best seller

533 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 3:55:17pm

re: #527 Amory Blaine

Bill would allow charter schools to expand free of districts, unions

Don’t forget that the teachers and administrators of those schools are not public employees, either.

This is such a blatant attempt to eliminate public schools that anyone with half a brain should be able to see through it.


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