1 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:41:23pm

Oh, somebody’s gonna be angry. “Snowden whenever he speaks says something grandiose and usually something provably false..”

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 9:53:52pm

“Silenced” is beginning to mean what a lot of people call “censorship” as in “not being allowed unlimited public access to espouse one’s views”.

3 darthstar  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:11:02pm

Will listen to this in the morning…in the meantime, did you know the NFL, the NHL, and the PGA were all non-profit and tax exempt organizations?

Too bad no tea partiers are football, hockey or golf fans.

change.org

4 Lidane  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:13:40pm

I’ll have to watch this tomorrow. My lack of sleep last night is finally catching up to me. In the meantime, here’s a middle finger from POTUS to Snowden’s caretakers in Russia:

5 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:20:05pm

re: #4 Lidane

I’ll have to watch this tomorrow. My lack of sleep last night is finally catching up to me. In the meantime, here’s a middle finger from POTUS to Snowden’s caretakers in Russia:

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I hope he sends a delegation of black Santa Claus to yell “ho, ho, ho” all day outside of the FOX (not)News studio.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:20:08pm

re: #4 Lidane

I’ll have to watch this tomorrow. My lack of sleep last night is finally catching up to me. In the meantime, here’s a middle finger from POTUS to Snowden’s caretakers in Russia:

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Which will be spun as “Obama shows contempt for American values by promoting Gay Agenda”, f9ollowed by more praise for Putin.

7 piratedan  Tue, Dec 17, 2013 10:43:31pm

still having problems comprehending the dudebro argument to the point where I wonder about vocabulary and the meanings of words…

whistleblower.. people who come forth and expose wrongdoing by a person/organization…. pretty well established that for government workers that there are protocols for doing so. Those that follow them, we usually never hear about them because like most folks, when you discover your pooch is screwed, you try to fix it in house (if you have any sense of right and wrong) If there is no satisfaction following protocol, government workers have the xtraordinary option of taking their case to an elected official of their choice, if you believe that the bosses are in on it.

In the case of Manning and Snowden, they eschewed that process and went public and had in each case, their positions spun by their outlet of choice.

no civil disobedience here, no waiting for an arrest and a trail to expose the wrongdoing and make an ethical stand, in Snowden’s case, he’s acted every inch of the roles of saboteur, spy, and traitor.

What he has exposed are the methodologies used by the NSA to collect and sift data, as of yet, those methods haven’t been ruled unconstitutional nor has anyone come forth from the exposure of the documents to indicate that they’ve been wrong by what the NSA does.

so how in the fuck do the libertarians classify this guy as a hero? This isn’t a Bobby Fuller Four song and Glenn Greenwald, sure as fuck isn’t exposing Watergate. I just do not get how in the fuck these guys can continue to misrepresent what Snowden actually did and conflate that into something that benefits everyday Americans except in the extreme abstract. Considering the track record of certain media venues, I just don’t see how any of this is serious, except for the theft itself and the threat of exposure of those documents might mean to the people working in the shadows actually trying to thwart terrorism or intelligence purposes of other nation states.

8 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:08:20am

I’m also bothered by Snowden’s lumping together of domestic surveillance and foreign intelligence gathering, as Schindler says in the video clip. There are legitimate reasons to question the current situation of the NSA’s (and other agencies’) investigations relative to domestic terrorism. To what extent do the PATRIOT Act and FISA infringe upon the First and Fourth Amendments, for example? That’s an entirely different issue from international espionage. Snowden and Greenwald, and their fellow dudebros, make no distinction at all between “snooping” on Americans and on foreign residents. They just say it’s all bad. Yet, they are mum about the very same kinds of activities done by the intelligence agencies of other countries.

In other words, there’s a lot of fuzzy thinking going on here.

9 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:17:19am

Vocabulary Word of the Morning:

What is Fed Tapering?

“Tapering” is a term that exploded into the financial lexicon on May 22, when U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke stated in testimony before Congress that that Fed may taper - or reduce - the size of the bond-buying program known as quantitative easing (QE). The program, which is designed to stimulate the economy, has served the secondary purpose of supporting financial market performance in recent years.

10 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:21:56am

MP3 Audio

11 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:27:13am

12 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:29:13am

Where, you ask, did I ever hear the word Tapering used in conjunction with money? From the World Bank Blogs, of course:

Tapering Talk: The Impact of Expectations of Reduced Federal Reserve Security Purchases on Emerging Markets

13 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:31:32am

We hear a lot of income distribution in the US, ever wonder what it is for the whole world?

Yeah, me either, but it’s a good question.

14 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:36:27am

A choir of Cossacks:

MP3 Audio

15 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:43:34am

facebook.com

I enjoyed this.

16 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:57:35am

Can you guess which state leads the pack?

Red States Dominate Top Ten List Of ‘Small Penis States’

Small Penis Syndrome, as defined by the Urban Dictionary:

“Any man who feels so inadequate about his penis size that he compensates for it by buying ridiculously large shit he doesn’t need. This usually involves buying the biggest truck they can, raising it and putting airplane tires on it. Owning 20 or more large guns, talking about being violent or making threats when they are cowardice.”

17 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:59:47am

Interesting Interactive regarding underage sex trafficking in the U.S.

18 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:24:01am
19 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:27:35am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

Can you guess which state leads the pack?

Red States Dominate Top Ten List Of ‘Small Penis States’

I do not know if it is a function of penis size, but I recall a comment made here that those who do not understand what it really means to be a man or to be a patriot grow totally obsessed with the outer trappings of manhood/patriotism: the size of one’s truck, the size of one’s flag lapel pin, etc.

20 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:36:30am

Ok, too cute.
upworthy.com

21 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:37:32am

re: #19 Sol Berdinowitz

I do not know if it is a function of penis size, but I recall a comment made here that those who do not understand what it really means to be a man or to be a patriot grow totally obsessed with the outer trappings of manhood/patriotism: the size of one’s truck, the size of one’s flag lapel pin, etc.

Yes, I like the concept of the Man Box.

22 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:52:51am

23 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:53:20am

I heard that Lawrence O’Donnell bit last night, but listening to it again, I like how it ends with John Schindler asking if Snowden was doing it for justice or personal agenda.

I think everyone wants to know that. The way it happened and is being played out, I’m thinking agenda will win the day.

By the way…it also revealed Brazil said “No thanks” to Snowden. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe Glenn Greenwald could answer that one. But somehow I feel he never will, or will turn that into something the US and Obama is preventing out of spite.

25 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:10:06am

MUST WATCH

26 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:26:42am

Updated Post regarding the Congo.

27 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:28:02am

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:35:20am

Bryan thinks those kids should have to work in the salt mines for their food!

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:38:56am

re: #28 Lord of the Pies

Bryan thinks those kids should have to work in the salt mines for their food!

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How else will they learn the true value of warm gruel?

30 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:45:57am

31 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:46:45am

re: #27 Stoatly

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I SO FEEL THE SAME WAY!

32 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:48:42am

Is this a Joke?

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:51:55am

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

Is this a Joke?

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He was a pretty good basketball player for the Pistons.

35 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:53:07am

36 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:59:22am

Not sure about this site, but the information is interesting.
The GOP Vision For America Depends On False Christian Doctrine

Paul Weyrich strategized the current platform of the Republican Party largely during the Reagan Administration. The four insidious tactics he recommended are still being used today.

1) Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication. (Medicaid expansion will bankrupt the states, trickle down economics works).

2) It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of “goodness” whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as “evil.” (Muslims bad, Christians good).

3)Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks. (The swift boating of John Kerry, endless attacks on Black Americans Eric Holder, Susan Rice and President Obama).

4) The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind. (NRA, military hawkishness).

37 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:00:59am

hmmmmm?

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:01:36am

Pussy Riot members and Arctic 30 protesters set to walk free

The two jailed members of the punk group Pussy Riot could be released as early as Thursday, as a wide-ranging amnesty law was passed by the Russian parliament.
A late amendment to the law could also lead to the release of the Greenpeace activists charged with hooliganism and waiting on bail for trial in Saint Petersburg.

39 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:02:56am

Study: Yellowstone magma much bigger than thought
Grand Prismatic Spring at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming:

40 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:07:50am

misogyny in the English Speaking World.

Defence lawyer Keith Jefferies caused outrage when he had told jurors the woman should have kept her legs closed.

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:09:42am

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

misogyny in the English Speaking World.

A gun would have prevented that rape.

/

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:17:02am

I love it when they eat their own! Please proceed Tea Party!

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:22:57am

re: #42 Lord of the Pies

I love it when they eat their own! Please proceed Tea Party!

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“Get a spine” is TP code for “Refuse to compromise or cooperate, even if it means sutting down the government indefinitely!”

44 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:27:06am
45 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:27:42am
46 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:29:15am

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

Sheldon Adelson has legally avoided $2.8 billion in gift, estate taxes since 2010

Think of how much money that freed up for campaign contributions…

47 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:38am
Wyden had an uneasy kind of vindication in June, three months after Clapper’s appearance, when Edward Snowden, a former contractor at the N.S.A., leaked pages and pages of classified N.S.A. documents. They showed that, for the past twelve years, the agency has been running programs that secretly collect detailed information about the phone and Internet usage of Americans. The programs have been plagued by compliance issues, and the legal arguments justifying the surveillance regime have been kept from view. Wyden has long been aware of the programs and of the agency’s appalling compliance record, and has tried everything short of disclosing classified information to warn the public. At the March panel, he looked down at Clapper as if he were about to eat a long-delayed meal.

13 pages from the New Yorker

48 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:33:25am

BIG NEWS ** BIG NEWS ** BIG NEWS ** BIG NEWS** BIG NEWS ** BIG NEW

Stieg Larsson, the author of the bestselling Millennium novels, died almost a decade ago. Now his Swedish publisher has asked another writer to pick up where Larsson left off. Swedish author David Lagercrantz will write a fourth book in the Millennium series, to be published in August 2015. Larsson wrote three books out of a planned 10-book series — The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, The Girl Who Played With Fire and The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets’ Nest — before he died in 2004. Larsson had begun a fourth, but an estate dispute kept it from being published.

49 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:33:38am

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, energy and dedication.

Isn’t that pretty much the kind of campaign that Snowald & Co are running?

O’Donnell did a very good piece on the open letter from Snowden regarding his “loss of free speech”, censorship, etc. Obviously a piece of propaganda devised and approved by the FSA; otherwise, how would Snowden have got it out of Russia? He really underestimates the intelligence of a lot of people. Very telling that the letter was directed at Brazil, where his PR manager and partner-in-crime resides.

I like what O’Donnell said about people living in a computer and how Snowden could say the NSA “spying” was the great human rights threat in the world.

Only a white, privileged dudebro could actually say something like that when millions of people starve every day—millions, maybe billions, don’t get the right nutrition for good health and growth—and tens of thousands of people become trapped by sex traffickers.

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:39:12am

Glenn Greenwald haz a rage at Teh Internets

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:40:01am
52 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:40:45am

Patriots always run away to other countries after they have stolen a bunch of classified intel.
//

53 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:43:21am

I think I’m going to be very ill.

Anthony Romero, Exec Dir of the ACLU, calls Snowden a “patriot”.

aclu.org

No, Mr. Romero, Snowden is in no way either a “patriot” or a “whistleblower.”

He’s a thief and a traitor and he should come back to the US and face the music for his crimes.

54 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:44:20am

Get it???! Deep.

55 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:44:23am

WELL, you’ll be glad to hear I’m done perusing the internet.

56 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:46:10am

re: #53 Justanotherhuman

I think I’m going to be very ill.

Anthony Romero, Exec Dir of the ACLU, calls Snowden a “patriot”.

aclu.org

No, Mr. Romero, Snowden is in no way either a “patriot” or a “whistleblower.”

He’s a thief and a traitor and he should come back to the US and face the music for his crimes.

Looks like I’ll be letting my membership expire.

57 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:48:33am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

WELL, you’ll be glad to hear I’m done perusing the internet.

Did you find any nekked selfies of GG?

*shudders*

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:49:31am

HURR HURR

59 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:50:03am

re: #57 Dr. Matt

Did you find any nekked selfies of GG?

*shudders*

That’s just not an area I search. I generally stay away from GG and his cohorts. Today there was a couple of interesting tweets I investigated and posted. This is unusual.

The whole “selfie” thing —I decided to skip it.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:50:24am

HURR HURR

61 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:53:50am

re: #46 Sol Berdinowitz

Think of how much money that freed up for campaign contributions…

Is that considered the rich guys version of “welfare recycling?”

As in many call the lotto and other games “welfare recycling”…so rich guys throwing money to other rich guys like Mitt Romney to play political games would be comparable.

It all went down a rabbit hole…

62 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:54:27am

re: #60 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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When that vainglorious little man known as Edward Snowden is able to stop millions of human beings from starving to death every year, yeah, I’ll consider he’s been of service to humanity.

Equally for his shill, GG.

63 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:57:05am

If we assume that our current government is Oceania and our leadership is Big Brother and the Inner Party, then Snowden is a “hero” in the sense of Winston Smith.

Last I heard, our leaders were elected freely, fairly and democratically.

Something must be wrong here…

64 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:58:49am

Morning Lizards.

Looks like lil Eddie is going to be cooling his heel in Russia a bit longer.

Brazil refuses to grant Snowden asylum

BRASILIA — Brazil has no plans to grant asylum to Edward Snowden even after the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor offered on Tuesday to help investigate revelations of spying on Brazilians and their president, a local newspaper reported.

65 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:59:50am

re: #50 Lord of the Pies

Glenn Greenwald haz a rage at Teh Internets

[Why do people think the internet lets them fabricate claims that are blatantly false and spew them as fact?]

Whoa…I am thinking Glenn can explain that one since he seems pretty good at it himself. Does he have even an ounce of self inspection/reflection. That is a statement from a real arrogant person.

King Glenn! All bow before him.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:00:48am

re: #64 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

Looks like lil Eddie is going to be cooling his heel in Russia a bit longer.

Brazil refuses to grant Snowden asylum

BRASILIA — Brazil has no plans to grant asylum to Edward Snowden even after the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor offered on Tuesday to help investigate revelations of spying on Brazilians and their president, a local newspaper reported.

LIES!! LIES, IT’S ALL LIES!!!!!!

67 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:02:20am

re: #52 Lord of the Pies

Patriots always run away to other countries after they have stolen a bunch of classified intel.
//

Yeah, just like Benedict Arnold.

68 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:02:31am

re: #64 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards.

Looks like lil Eddie is going to be cooling his heel in Russia a bit longer.

Brazil refuses to grant Snowden asylum

Good. I hope he’s miserable.

69 BusyMonster  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:06:15am

I was just not three minutes ago listening helplessly to two clueless young dudebros walking down the hall saying Snowden should run for Prez.

Here’s what I think most people aren’t getting about just how wrong this whole Snowden situation is.

1. He is currently in the care of the Russian FSB. One of the more notably corrupt and tyrranical governments on the planet. Whose leaders have previously used assassination by polonium poisoning to silence their opposition.

2. Russia is Hacker/Scammer/Spammer central, and it is obvious the government is involved in promoting this kind of parasitical activity. In the early 2000’s, a Russian spammer named PharmaMaster singlehandedly brought down the Israeli security company behind BlueFrog, a radically new and very effective anti-spam tool, by compromising their connectivity to the network. That he could wreak such havoc implied he had some high-powered connections.

3. Snowden just took a bunch of classified NSA material to these people, a nation where the con artists run the government openly and arrogantly, material that he says proves that Americans’ personal information can be accessed by any jerk who walks in the door of the NSA, so that means lots of personal information about you and me, my fellow Americans.

No I don’t consider this motherfucker a hero. He’s a pathetic little attention whore who is now a useful idiot for one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. Thanks, Edward. I’ll know whose name to shit all over when my identity is sold all over the Internet by some Russian scammer.

70 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:10:29am

re: #66 Lord of the Pies

LIES!! LIES, IT’S ALL LIES!!!!!!

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Sure gg, Snowjob is just offering his help to “investigate” the NSA Brazilian activities out of the goodness of his heart.

///

71 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:10:53am

re: #69 BusyMonster

I was just not three minutes ago listening helplessly to two clueless young dudebros walking down the hall saying Snowden should run for Prez.

…cut…

Groan.

72 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:15:07am

re: #69 BusyMonster

I was just not three minutes ago listening helplessly to two clueless young dudebros walking down the hall saying Snowden should run for Prez.

Here’s what I think most people aren’t getting about just how wrong this whole Snowden situation is.

1. He is currently in the care of the Russian FSB. One of the more notably corrupt and tyrranical governments on the planet. Whose leaders have previously used assassination by polonium poisoning to silence their opposition.

2. Russia is Hacker/Scammer/Spammer central, and it is obvious the government is involved in promoting this kind of parasitical activity. In the early 2000’s, a Russian spammer named PharmaMaster singlehandedly brought down the Israeli security company behind BlueFrog, a radically new and very effective anti-spam tool, by compromising their connectivity to the network. That he could wreak such havoc implied he had some high-powered connections.

3. Snowden just took a bunch of classified NSA material to these people, a nation where the con artists run the government openly and arrogantly, material that he says proves that Americans’ personal information can be accessed by any jerk who walks in the door of the NSA, so that means lots of personal information about you and me, my fellow Americans.

No I don’t consider this motherfucker a hero. He’s a pathetic little attention whore who is now a useful idiot for one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. Thanks, Edward. I’ll know whose name to shit all over when my identity is sold all over the Internet by some Russian scammer.

Young people don’t understand how truly dangerous Other Country’s secret service/intelligence operatives are/can be. The Cold War, to them, is movie stuff.

73 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:15:47am
74 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:21:14am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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I’m seriously beginning to wonder if Glenn might be suffering from short term memory loss.

75 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:21:51am
76 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:22:50am

India Snubs U.S. Delegation, Withdraws Security Over Diplomat’s Arrest

Overzealous cops? Unpossible!

77 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:25:32am

re: #58 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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I see Greenwald pulled a Sarah Palin on this one, using the word “impotent” which she loved to use describing male reporters who didn’t bow down to her, like Michael Joseph Gross who wrote a devastating profile of her in Vanity Fair and who, BTW, is gay.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:26:51am

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

I see Greenwald pulled a Sarah Palin on this one, using the word “impotent” which she loved to use describing male reporters who didn’t bow down to her, like Michael Joseph Gross who wrote a devastating profile of her in Vanity Fair and who, BTW, is gay.

Greenwald unleashed a whole swarm of unhinged, demented Tweets at Julian Smith.

79 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:28:03am

re: #76 Political Atheist

India Snubs U.S. Delegation, Withdraws Security Over Diplomat’s Arrest

Overzealous cops? Unpossible!

They weren’t overzealous, and the woman involved is contemptible. She paid a domestic servant slave wages, and then when that woman literally escaped, she tried to get the police to go and bring her back. She was a consular agent and not entitled to diplomatic immunity.

80 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:29:08am

What the heck was Snowden’s letter if not a request for asylum ahead of the formal paperwork? It’s a mirror image of what he did ahead of getting asylum in Russia following his stopover in Hong Kong upon fleeing the US after his document dump became public via Greenwald.

And Brazil isn’t going to play this game:


Greenwald knows that all of Snowden’s actions look atrocious and that he’s avoiding US justice because he’d be found guilty of espionage so Greenwald’s misdirecting and hoping to keep attention on the alleged crimes the US carried out in violating other countries’ laws (which doesn’t violate US law btw, because the US intelligence agencies are tasking with finding out this information just as surely as foreign intel agencies are tasked with finding out what is going on behind closed doors in US policy circles). Everyone spies, no one wants to admit it, and getting caught doing it - even with allies and neutral parties - causes a sticky wicket even though everyone knows that it’s done to confirm what is stated publicly with what’s going on behind closed doors.

Greenwald and Snowden wanted to disrupt US intel gathering, and by shopping around to countries that have interests antithetical to the US, he’s not a patriot or hero. He’s a criminal on the run. Greenwald knows this, which is why he’s bloviating.

81 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:29:11am

re: #79 Uncle Obdicut

They weren’t overzealous, and the woman involved is contemptible. She paid a domestic servant slave wages, and then when that woman literally escaped, she tried to get the police to go and bring her back. She was a consular agent and not entitled to diplomatic immunity.

Strip search?! Bull.

82 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:33:26am

re: #78 Lord of the Pies

Greenwald unleashed a whole swarm of unhinged, demented Tweets at Julian Smith.

Cat fight!

83 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:35:28am

re: #66 Lord of the Pies

LIES!! LIES, IT’S ALL LIES!!!!!!

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84 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:37:45am

Incredible that the EU Parliament would invite a US traitor. Jesus, this woman, In’t Veld, is naive as hell.

Snowden speech to EU parliament could torpedo US trade talks
Congressman Mike Rogers warns the EU that inviting Snowden to speak would damage ongoing trade talks

itworld.com

“Parliament has asked Snowden to speak to the committee investigating allegations of NSA spying on E.U. citizens. MEP Sophie In’t Veld said that, behind closed doors, visiting U.S. politicians had described Snowden as a traitor and attempted to put pressure on MEPs not to invite him to give a video address.

“It’s incredible. They came here to warn us not to speak to him ‘or else.’ Well, we in the Parliament damn well decide ourselves who to speak to,” she said. “It’s about time we stopped behaving like a political midget. I hate protectionism, but we have 500 million consumers and American companies are going to want access to that market.”

“In’t Veld said that she believed American businesses were more understanding of European citizens’ privacy concerns than members of the U.S. Congress. “Privacy is the new ‘green.’ When you see companies advertising that they are in a so-called ‘E.U. cloud,’ you know U.S. companies are going to worry,” she added.”

Obviously,k she hasn’t researched privacy concerns where corporations are involved.

85 Joanne  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:37:59am

re: #50 Lord of the Pies

Glenn Greenwald haz a rage at Teh Internets



…

Oh, Lord of Irony.

86 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:39:25am
87 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:40:03am

re: #80 lawhawk

He also tried this with Angela Merkel in Germany…that worked out well for him.

I hope Putin sees this as a violation of his terms of temporary asylum and Snowden finds himself standing in his underwear in a blizzard where the only open door to a heated room is the US Consulate across the street.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:40:10am
89 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:41:09am

re: #79 Uncle Obdicut


Let me be clear-The woman should be held accountable.

So should NYPD

Chris Dunn, Associate Legal Director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, told me that illegal strip searches by NYPD officers are “a longstanding problem” that “25 years of litigation” have done little to correct. As far as he was aware, the most the NYPD had done to address the problem was issuing a training video in (belated) response to a critical report by the Civilian Complaint Review Board. He also noted that the NYPD patrol guide actually has pretty strict restrictions on when officers can strip-search people. They read, in part,

A strip search of a prisoner may not be conducted routinely in connection with an arrest. Strip searchs may only be conducted with the knowledge and approval of the precinct, police service area, transit district desk officer or the borough Court Section supervisor. A strip search may only be conducted when the arresting officer reasonably suspects that weapons, contraband or evidence may be concealed upon the person or in the clothing in such a manner that they may not be discovered by the previous search
methods.

90 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:44:23am

re: #83 darthstar

Because examining what the US was doing to find out about Brazilian policy would reveal gaping holes in Brazilian security practices they’d rather not publicize. It would further shed light on what the Brazilians did elsewhere in the world (spying on others to find out critical information that policymakers in Brazil needs to make foreign policy and national security decisions).

Snowden and Greenwald’s entire strategy is to blow up spycraft and intel agencies and the way that they carry out work that helps inform national security and foreign policy decisions. Who benefits from this, especially when the target of their document dumps is the US and its relationship with other countries, including allies and significant trade partners?

Russia and China to name but two. Undermining US relationships, particularly with 3d world countries, opens the door for both Russia and China to make forays into those markets/regions. Where has Snowden sought refuge until now? Russia and China.

It’s no coincidence.

91 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:45:03am

re: #89 Political Atheist

Let me be clear-The woman should be held accountable.

So should NYPD

For what?

92 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:45:16am

So it’s winter in Moscow for Eddie.

93 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:45:35am

re: #81 Political Atheist

Strip search?! Bull.

Strip search is standard for anyone entering custody. It may be bull in general, but there’s a legitimate reason for it, to prevent the entry of contraband.

She also falsified the visa for the domestic servant.

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:46:10am

re: #86 lawhawk

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You just got to hope there’s a huge backlash against this crap.

95 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:46:23am

re: #87 darthstar

He also tried this with Angela Merkel in Germany…that worked out well for him.

I hope Putin sees this as a violation of his terms of temporary asylum and Snowden finds himself standing in his underwear in a blizzard where the only open door to a heated room is the US Consulate across the street.

Putin may end up doing something like this ahead of the Sochi Olympics to get attention off his country’s crackdown against gays and lesbians (and public displays/activism against the harsh law).

96 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:46:40am

re: #89 Political Atheist

Let me be clear-The woman should be held accountable.

So should NYPD

You are aware that it wasn’t the NYPD who arrested and processed her?

From the CNN article

Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said appropriate procedures appear to have been followed by the Diplomatic Security agents who arrested Khobragade. She said conditions surrounding her processing by U.S. Marshals would be examined.

97 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:47:22am

re: #96 Bubblehead II

You are aware that it wasn’t the NYPD who arrested and processed her?

From the CNN article

Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said appropriate procedures appear to have been followed by the Diplomatic Security agents who arrested Khobragade. She said conditions surrounding her processing by U.S. Marshals would be examined.

THe pregnant woman from the article?

I think we are talking about two different cases.

98 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:47:43am

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Strip searches out of policy. Longstanding NYPD problem. Well elsewhere too but the issue at hand is LAPD.
Same link

The problem is that cops don’t actually abide by those restrictions. Says Dunn, “it’s less the policy that’s bad — it’s more that officers are violating policy and the department isn’t doing enough to correct it.” Illegal strip searches have also been a big problem in New York City jails — the City had to pay $33 million last year to detainees who were unnecessarily strip-searched after being arrested for minor crimes like trespassing. And a case involving jailhouse strip-searches for minor offenses is currently before the Supreme Court — if the Supreme Court approves these searches, it could become legal to strip any detainee, no matter how small her crime.

99 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:48:39am

re: #97 FemNaziBitch

THe pregnant woman from the article?

I think we are talking about two different cases.

lots more than two… It’s bad policy that hit the Indian consul

100 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:49:03am

How does underpaying an employee trigger a strip search?

BBL

101 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:49:24am

re: #90 lawhawk

There’s also a little event coming up in Brazil called the World Cup next year. Brazil is working very closely with the US and other countries’ intelligence agencies to ensure the safety of those games. And yes, they’re looking at everything they can.

102 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:50:05am

I have to accomplish something.

bbl

103 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:51:16am

re: #97 FemNaziBitch

THe pregnant woman from the article?

I think we are talking about two different cases.

My bad. Should have read the link instead of assuming it was related to the Indian Diplomat row.

hangs head.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:52:47am

re: #72 FemNaziBitch

Young people don’t understand how truly dangerous Other Country’s secret service/intelligence operatives are/can be. The Cold War, to them, is movie stuff.

The Cold War to them is whether Coors or Bud is better.
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105 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:54:28am

re: #100 Political Atheist

How does underpaying an employee trigger a strip search?

BBL

She falsified her visa, too, and there’s probably some sort of semi-kidnapping charge, too. She’s facing possibly ten years.

Strip searches are incredibly common in the US, I have no idea why its use in this case is making people freak out. I agree that strip searches are overused, but that’s a symptom of our whole system and not a particularly egregious part of it, and I think people who lure people to the US with promises of fair wages, underpay them, and falsify paperwork to cover it up and attempt to use the police to retrieve them when they literally run away are more contemptible than the average drunk dude who gets into a fight or a guy who sells some weed and gets arrested.

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:54:31am

re: #104 Feline Fearless Leader

The Cold War to them is whether Coors or Bud is better.
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Team Fat Tire cough.

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:54:34am

re: #74 Targetpractice

I’m seriously beginning to wonder if Glenn might be suffering from short term memory loss.

Nope. GG primary goal is media attention. Therefore he’ll change direction in a moment if it helps him maintain himself as the current topic of interest.

108 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:56:51am

So I watched the concert for the soundtrack to the new Coen Brothers movie, Inside Llewyn Davis last night. Great stuff. Avett Brothers, Gillian Welch/Dave Rawlings, Patti Smith, Joan Baez, and a bunch of other really good performers. Definitely want to check out the Punch Brothers especially after hearing their version of The Auld Triangle.

109 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:59:29am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

So I watched the concert for the soundtrack to the new Coen Brothers movie, Inside Llewyn Davis last night. Great stuff. Avett Brothers, Gillian Welch/Dave Rawlings, Patti Smith, Joan Baez, and a bunch of other really good performers. Definitely want to check out the Punch Brothers especially after hearing their version of The Auld Triangle.

They’re playing a trailer for it on our cable, over a very good track of Dink’s Song.

110 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:00:10am

So now they’re bitching that Obamacare DOESN’T cover illegal immigrants

Obamacare Bars Illegal Immigrants—and Sticks Hospitals With the Bill

I freaking give up.

theatlantic.com

111 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:00:29am
112 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:01:06am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Team Fat Tire cough.

Coors’ ads taught me that cold was a taste

113 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:02:09am

re: #110 b.d.

So now they’re bitching that Obamacare >DOESN’T cover illegal immigrants

I freaking give up.

theatlantic.com

Next they’ll complain that it doesn’t include the public option. You know the thing Obama wanted but the Blue Dogs and GOP raised a shit fit about. I really give up at this point too.

114 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:02:21am

re: #107 Feline Fearless Leader

Nope. GG primary goal is media attention. Therefore he’ll change direction in a moment if it helps him maintain himself as the current topic of interest.

Exactly, as soon as he sees that this story is going south for him he’ll pivot onto something else and pretend he never even heard of Edward Snowden or wrote about him.

115 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:03:33am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

So I watched the concert for the soundtrack to the new Coen Brothers movie, Inside Llewyn Davis last night. Great stuff. Avett Brothers, Gillian Welch/Dave Rawlings, Patti Smith, Joan Baez, and a bunch of other really good performers. Definitely want to check out the Punch Brothers especially after hearing their version of The Auld Triangle.

Looks like a great movie. Here’s a little featurette on it.

imdb.com

Love the Coen Bros.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:05:13am

re: #114 darthstar

Exactly, as soon as he sees that this story is going south for him he’ll pivot onto something else and pretend he never even heard of Edward Snowden or wrote about him.

Snowden works real well for GG as his martyrdom substitute. He can proclaim about Snowden being put upon, crucified, etc. without taking any of the real risk himself. Snowden shivering in the cold of Moscow like the little matchstick girl is actually continually in GG’s interest.

117 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:05:34am

re: #110 b.d.

So now they’re bitching that Obamacare >DOESN’T cover illegal immigrants

I freaking give up.

theatlantic.com

Welcome to the next 3 years, at least. Hell, wingnuts in Congress are trying to push forward a vote to file a civil lawsuit against the White House on the grounds that the implementation of the law is not going fast enough.

118 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:05:53am

Ah, another “Patriot!!!”

Birther tea party rep. refuses to stand near Obama photo, moves away U.S. flag

119 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:06:11am

re: #115 Justanotherhuman

Looks like a great movie. Here’s a little featurette on it.

imdb.com

Love the Coen Bros.

Yeah i really want to see the movie now and yeah the Coens are I think some of the best storytellers in film today.

120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:07:15am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Welcome to the next 3 years, at least. Hell, wingnuts in Congress are trying to push forward a vote to file a civil lawsuit against the White House on the grounds that the implementation of the law is not going fast enough.

The same law they tried to repeal repeatedly and even shut down the government over isn’t being implemented fast enough? Well fuck me sideways. I’m going to grow my beard and hair really out and not shower and then complain that girls don’t want to go out with me.

121 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:07:38am

re: #43 Sol Berdinowitz

“Get a spine” is TP code for “Refuse to compromise or cooperate, even if it means sutting down the government indefinitely!”

This! That cartoon is the result of a cartoonist angry because Paul Ryan struck a deal that kept the cartoonist from beclowning himself again.

122 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:08:22am

John Shindler’s latest is a good read re: Sweden’s response to Snowden.

Beginning with the statement, “In step with the so-called revelations made by Snowden, several fallacies about Swedish signals intelligence and its uses have been spread by media representatives and representatives of political parties,” the letter makes a point-by-point refutation of the lies that have been propagated about FRA recently.

“It has been claimed that Swedish legislation on signals intelligence was commissioned by foreign authorities. That is not true … The allegation of foreign control is a conspiracy theory of a highly fanciful nature.”

Link in tweet

123 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:10:17am

Open letter = Censorship.

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124 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:10:19am

re: #111 darthstar

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Beautiful rant—probably useless, but soul-cleansing.

125 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:11:08am

re: #81 Political Atheist

Strip search?! Bull.

It’s SOP, RWC. The NYPD strip searches anyone who gets put into one of their lockups. If India doesn’t like that, then Too Damn Bad. There have been repeated stories in the media about the enslavement of domestic workers by foreign diplomats. Such acts violate our Constitution, which stands higher than any treaty, and they cannot be allowed to stand.

126 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:11:40am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

The same law they tried to repeal repeatedly and even shut down the government over isn’t being implemented fast enough? Well fuck me sideways. I’m going to grow my beard and hair really out and not shower and then complain that girls don’t want to go out with me.

As best I’ve been able to make sense of it, the proposed lawsuit says that the White House does not have the power to grant exemptions, grace periods, or change the rules on how the ACA is implemented and doing so is unconstitutional. Let me say that again, according to Congressional wingnuts, the Executive branch does not have the authority to choose how it will execute the laws passed by Congress.

127 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:12:51am

re: #126 Targetpractice

As best I’ve been able to make sense of it, the proposed lawsuit says that the White House does not have the power to grant exemptions, grace periods, or change the rules on how the ACA is implemented and doing so is unconstitutional. Let me say that again, according to Congressional wingnuts, the Executive branch does not have the authority to choose how it will execute the laws passed by Congress.

Sigh, why did we elect so many failed Civics students to Congress in 2010. Hopefully some of that damage can be undone in 2020.

128 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:13:16am

re: #126 Targetpractice

As best I’ve been able to make sense of it, the proposed lawsuit says that the White House does not have the power to grant exemptions, grace periods, or change the rules on how the ACA is implemented and doing so is unconstitutional. Let me say that again, according to Congressional wingnuts, the Executive branch does not have the authority to choose how it will execute the laws passed by Congress.

Andrew Jackson begs to differ.

129 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:14:20am
130 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:14:59am
131 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:15:08am

re: #105 Uncle Obdicut

She falsified her visa, too, and there’s probably some sort of semi-kidnapping charge, too. She’s facing possibly ten years.

Strip searches are incredibly common in the US, I have no idea why its use in this case is making people freak out. I agree that strip searches are overused, but that’s a symptom of our whole system and not a particularly egregious part of it, and I think people who lure people to the US with promises of fair wages, underpay them, and falsify paperwork to cover it up and attempt to use the police to retrieve them when they literally run away are more contemptible than the average drunk dude who gets into a fight or a guy who sells some weed and gets arrested.

It’s making government officials in India freak out for PR reasons. They don’t want to look like they are “capitulating to foreigners”. The two main parties of India are getting ready from an election next year, so just like the Democrats and Republicans here, the BJP and Congress parties are playing the “More Patriotic Than Thou Game”.

132 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:16:28am

Replacement tweet as VB beat me by a minute.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:17:25am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

It’s making government officials in India freak out for PR reasons. They don’t want to look like they are “capitulating to foreigners”. The two main parties of India are getting ready from an election next year, so just like the Democrats and Republicans here, the BJP and Congress parties are playing the “More Patriotic Than Thou Game”.

Our Fundamentalists believe in a literal interpretation of a story about a virgin giving birth to someone who gets up and walks out of his tomb, their fundies believe in stories about elephant-headed gods with a dozen arms…

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:17:57am

re: #126 Targetpractice

As best I’ve been able to make sense of it, the proposed lawsuit says that the White House does not have the power to grant exemptions, grace periods, or change the rules on how the ACA is implemented and doing so is unconstitutional. Let me say that again, according to Congressional wingnuts, the Executive branch does not have the authority to choose how it will execute the laws passed by Congress.

Now, it’s saying that if Congress says “failure to do ‘X’ carries a tax penalty”, then the president may not waive that penalty. Instead he is obligated to collect the taxes levied by the Congress.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:19:37am

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

It’s making government officials in India freak out for PR reasons. They don’t want to look like they are “capitulating to foreigners”. The two main parties of India are getting ready from an election next year, so just like the Democrats and Republicans here, the BJP and Congress parties are playing the “More Patriotic Than Thou Game”.

Also reflects that fact that in India the middle and upper classes get gentler treatment from the police.

Her case quickly became a major story in India, with politicians urging diplomatic retaliation and TV news channels showing the woman in a series of smiling family photos.

That reaction may look outsized in the United States, but the case touches on a string of issues that strike deeply in India, where the fear of public humiliation resonates strongly and heavy-handed treatment by the police is normally reserved for the poor. For an educated, middle-class woman to face public arrest and a strip search is almost unimaginable, except in the most brutal crimes.

worldnews.nbcnews.com

136 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:20:10am

re: #133 Sol Berdinowitz

Our Fundamentalists believe in a literal interpretation of a story about a virgin giving birth to someone who gets up and walks out of his tomb, their fundies believe in stories about elephant-headed gods with a dozen arms…

A lot of people who aren’t fundies believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and that he was resurrected. The latter especially is a fundamental point of Christian doctrine. And I do believe both of those things myself.

137 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:20:18am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Now, it’s saying that if Congress says “failure to do ‘X’ carries a tax penalty”, then the president may not waive that penalty. Instead he is obligated to collect the taxes levied by the Congress.

It would not be the first time in the history of our government that the White House has either failed or refused to execute a law that Congress has passed. I cannot remember Democrats ever threatening a Congressional civil action over Bush’s signing statements.

138 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:21:53am
139 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:22:12am

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

A lot of people who aren’t fundies believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and that he was resurrected. The latter especially is a fundamental point of Christian doctrine. And I do believe both of those things myself.

I don’t see how you can say you believe in those things and not call yourself a fundie.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:23:53am

re: #138 darthstar

Well that reminds me for my granddaughter’s birthday, to buy her a tool set instead of more doll house furniture.

141 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:24:06am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Also reflects that fact that in India the middle and upper classes get gentler treatment from the police.

worldnews.nbcnews.com

Middle and upper class people here are often allowed to surrender rather than be arrested, but the strip search is pretty well universal. I can understand how middle and upper class Indians may feel, but in this case I don’t think the US Marshals or the NYPD should have let it effect their actions. Domestic slavery is a crime for which their should be zero tolerance. To allow someone to evade arrest and punishment for it is a Broken Window.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:24:34am
143 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:30:13am

re: #139 Sol Berdinowitz

I don’t see how you can say you believe in those things and not call yourself a fundie.

It is simple: A fundamentalist believes that the bible has to be taken literally in its entirety. I do not believe that. But it is part of the bedrock tenants of Christianity, as codified at the Council of Nicea (in which the real-life St. Nicholas played an important role), that Jesus was the son of God, was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died and was resurrected.

My believing those things does not, however, lead me to believe that biblical dietary laws and punishments should be imposed, nor that the law must or should conform to Christian religious tenants.

144 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:33:04am

re: #138 darthstar

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Problem solved….

RBS

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:34:52am
146 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:35:40am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

… it is part of the bedrock tenants of Christianity, as codified at the Council of Nicea (in which the real-life St. Nicholas played an important role), that Jesus was the son of God, was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died and was resurrected.

That is where I part ways with Christianity, then. Cannot make myself believe in fairy tales, no matter how much I wanna believe in redemption and eternal life.

147 Dave In Austin  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:37:24am

Image: Some_days.jpg

Made my day…..

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:38:46am

re: #145 Lord of the Pies

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Yes though the day is far from done. What a sad little man Schiff is.

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:39:31am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Yes though the day is far from done. What a sad little man Schiff is.

Why does he even give a shit what minimum wage earners make?

Oh because he’s an asshole.

150 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:39:45am

re: #146 Sol Berdinowitz

That is where I part ways with Christianity, then. Cannot make myself believe in fairy tales, no matter how much I wanna believe in redemption and eternal life.

That’s where I always struggled too. I can accept Christian teachings as valid but I cannot accept a virgin birth and a resurrection. In short, I see it similar to how Jefferson and many men of his time period did.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:40:44am

re: #145 Lord of the Pies

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Schiff, the founder of Euro Pacific Capital, approached shoppers in the retailer’s parking lot and told them he was representing an organization called “15 For 15.” He said the organization — which doesn’t actually exist — wants Wal-Mart to raise its prices by 15% to support a $15 minimum hourly wage for workers.

Why would Wal-Mart have to raise prices by 15% to cover an increase in wages?

Oh…so the Walton family does not have to see any reduction in the money they earn. That would be criminal!!!

152 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:41:00am

re: #149 Lord of the Pies

Why does he even give a shit what minimum wage earners make?

Oh because he’s an asshole.

I don’t know. I find it quite pathetic that a multi-millionaire is mocking people who want to make life just a little better for themselves. As I said, sad little man.

153 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:41:31am

ATTN WINGNUTS:
Ben Carson’s opinion about anything other than brain surgery is like Mozart’s opinion about anything other than music.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:42:30am

ATTN Wingnuts:
Letting Ben Carson run for political office is like letting Mozart manage your money.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:42:52am

re: #151 Sol Berdinowitz

Schiff, the founder of Euro Pacific Capital, approached shoppers in the retailer’s parking lot and told them he was representing an organization called “15 For 15.” He said the organization — which doesn’t actually exist — wants Wal-Mart to raise its prices by 15% to support a $15 minimum hourly wage for workers.

Why would Wal-Mart have to raise prices by 15% to cover an increase in wages?

Oh…so the Walton family does not have to see any reduction in the money they earn. That would be criminal!!!

That really is the unspoken reality of all the pearl-clutching over prices going up if the minimum wage goes up, the worry that execs and investors might have to accept a little less to pay workers a little more.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:43:27am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

That’s where I always struggled too. I can accept Christian teachings as valid but I cannot accept a virgin birth and a resurrection. In short, I see it similar to how Jefferson and many men of his time period did.

That is why I do not go to church, most Christian churches I have been to recite some variant of the Nicene Creed and I feel silly sitting there looking on while people profess believeing that virgins can give birth and that the dead can be raised.

Sorry, virgins do not give birth (at least they didn’t in the days before artificial insemination), and if Jesus got up and walked out his tomb, it means he was not dead in the first place when they laid him to rest there

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:44:10am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. I find it quite pathetic that a multi-millionaire is mocking people who want to make life just a little better for themselves. As I said, sad little man.

He seems to see it as an existential threat, which is even more sad and pathetic and small.

158 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:44:22am

I like how that Ben Carson quote is used as “fact proof” that Obamacare is worse than slavery. Last I saw, Dr. Carson wasn’t enslaved. And honestly, I know it may come a little assholish of me to say as a white man to a black man but Carson is cheapening the horrors of American slavery and lynching by comparing health care reform to them. Carson should really listen to what he’s saying and realize how fucking absurd he sounds but I guess he prefers being a right wing tool than actually being intellectually honest.

159 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:45:07am

re: #156 Sol Berdinowitz

That is why I do not go to church, most Christian churches I have been to recite some variant of the Nicene Creed and I feel silly sitting there looking on while people profess believeing that virgins can give birth and that the dead can be raised.

Sorry, virgins do not give birth (at least they didn’t in the days before artificial insemination, and if Jesus got up and walked out his tomb, it means he was not dead in the first place when they laid him to rest there)

Yeah me neither. I just can’t accept it for the same reasons you can’t.

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:45:58am

Ben Carson is a poor example for Libertarians and wingnuts to point to. He went to Detroit public schools. He is a graduate of Southwestern High School which is just a neighborhood high school, not an elite magnet school like Cass Tech.

161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:46:59am

re: #154 Lord of the Pies

ATTN Wingnuts:
Letting Ben Carson run for political office is like letting Mozart manage your money.

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:47:03am

re: #155 Targetpractice

That really is the unspoken reality of all the pearl-clutching over prices going up if the minimum wage goes up, the worry that execs and investors might have to accept a little less to pay workers a little more.

And it’s why I admire the hell out of the Costco executives. They know they’re taking a little less by paying their employees better in benefits and pay but they don’t mind because they know they’ve created a happy place to work and shop at. I really wish more companies would look at what Costco has done and realize you can not only be profitable by treating your employees like more than chattel but you’re also creating a place where they’ll love to work. Being good to your employees is good for business. For fuck sake, Waltons and Schiffs of the world, even Henry Ford knew that and he was a raging lunatic.

163 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:47:06am

Okay…finally watched the video. Schindler was pretty good…O’Donnell was pretty good. The other guy was one of Snowden’s better defenders as he didn’t jump on the fanboy hyperbole wagon even when Snowden’s hyperbole was mentioned.

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:47:19am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Yeah me neither. I just can’t accept it for the same reasons you can’t.

I wanna see Jesus’ birth and death certificates!!!

165 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:48:46am


Which is why NORAD has a fighter escort for Santa this year…

166 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:49:30am

re: #153 Lord of the Pies

Oh, you’re just egging me on to make the year’s worst analogies to slavery list…. /

167 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:49:43am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

And what does that have to do with him having a viable opinion on politics? The man sincerely seems to believe that ACA is as horrible as slavery was. This is a man who was born in a time where public lynchings weren’t that far in the past. the point regarding Mozart that she’s making is just because a man or woman is brilliant in one field doesn’t mean he’s brilliant in another. You’re a Bears fan, I know. Would you want Mike Ditka being in charge of your health? Same goes with Carson. If I had a brain tumor, I’d be happy to have him operate on me but I don’t necessary want him representing my views just because of that.

168 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:50:03am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

And it’s why I admire the hell out of the Costco executives. They know they’re taking a little less by paying their employees better in benefits and pay but they don’t mind because they know they’ve created a happy place to work and shop at. I really wish more companies would look at what Costco has done and realize you can not only be profitable by treating your employees like more than chattel but you’re also creating a place where they’ll love to work. Being good to your employees is good for business. For fuck sake, Waltons and Schiffs of the world, even Henry Ford knew that and he was a raging lunatic.

Ford knew that if he paid his employees enough to buy the cars they were making, he’d sell more cars. That’s a concept that is entirely lost on the Waltons.

169 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:50:05am
170 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:50:19am

re: #165 lawhawk

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Which is why NORAD has a fighter escort for Santa this year…

I see it as a small step from believing in fecund virgins and walking dead to believing in magic elves and flying reindeer…

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:50:40am

re: #165 lawhawk

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Which is why NORAD has a fighter escort for Santa this year…

Alex Jones is upset at Neal Boortz because he stole this first. Really, this is among the most stupid things I’ve ever heard from a right wing talk radio host and I’ve heard the aforementioned Jones talk about Joseph Kony and Angelina Jolie!

172 gwangung  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:50:42am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

And it’s why I admire the hell out of the Costco executives. They know they’re taking a little less by paying their employees better in benefits and pay but they don’t mind because they know they’ve created a happy place to work and shop at. I really wish more companies would look at what Costco has done and realize you can not only be profitable by treating your employees like more than chattel but you’re also creating a place where they’ll love to work. Being good to your employees is good for business. For fuck sake, Waltons and Schiffs of the world, even Henry Ford knew that and he was a raging lunatic.

And they’re STILL frakkin’ rich—-easily the top of the 1%.

It’s not the money, folks…it’s how you make it.

The Wil Wheaton rule applies…just don’t be a dick.

173 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:51:29am

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

He seems to see it as an existential threat, which is even more sad and pathetic and small.

College Republican National Committee hero. He’s just pissed just pissed he missed the last Compton Cookout.

174 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:51:31am

re: #165 lawhawk

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Which is why NORAD has a fighter escort for Santa this year…

If it was a black Santa Fox News would report the sleigh as stolen.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:51:55am

re: #169 darthstar

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And if 99%, liberals would be accused of accepting everything Obama does blindly. Can’t fucking win with stupid shit like this. 90% approval for anything is good.

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:52:03am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

I have to begrudgingly agree with you on this point (but only in its narrowest sense) - the job of political parties is to present candidates who can get elected.

177 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:53:05am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

And if 99%, liberals would be accused of accepting everything Obama does blindly. Can’t fucking win with stupid shit like this. 90% approval for anything is good.

Fer f*ing sake, I supported Obama because I saw him as the better of the two candidates presented.

178 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:54:23am
179 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:55:17am

re: #177 Sol Berdinowitz

Fer f*ing sake, I supported Obama because I saw him as the better of the two candidates presented.

Obama voters have to either love him or be grossly disillusioned with him. No room for nuance! But yeah I happily voted for him both times over his opponent but that doesn’t mean I don’t think we could have a better president though I fault Congress for some of Obama’s problems especially since the TP wave of 2010.

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:56:27am

re: #165 lawhawk

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Which is why NORAD has a fighter escort for Santa this year…

That’s created a naughtrage too, from both left and right.

digitaljournal.com

guns.com

181 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:56:50am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

And if 99%, liberals would be accused of accepting everything Obama does blindly. Can’t fucking win with stupid shit like this. 90% approval for anything is good.

And why did it “sour”? Because he wasn’t sufficiently liberal enough. He was too quick to cave to GOP demands, and otherwise sought to govern from the center at a time when the GOP is pushing everything to the hard right.

The President has to govern by catering to more than just the left. He’s got to govern the nation, which means that there’s a wide range of political opinions. By attempting to govern from the middle, he risks losing the left, but they’re not going anywhere else. They can only look to move Obama’s policy positions towards their preferences.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:57:19am

re: #168 Targetpractice

Ford knew that if he paid his employees enough to buy the cars they were making, he’d sell more cars. That’s a concept that is entirely lost on the Waltons.

He also knew that the political climate was shifting against the large-scale immigration that made a bit of the low-wage labor possible, and with the outbreak of World War One European immigration was cut off almost entirely. In the changed labor market of the mid-1910’s, workers were a finite commodity and factory employers could no longer simply expend them in dangerous jobs as had happened in the past.

Henry Ford accepted this change and found a way to prosper under it. He figured out that a better trained and paid workforce would be far more efficient and could build more cars and trucks than a low-skill and pay workforce. The higher skill people would also be more loyal and less likely to disrupt Ford’s business.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:58:23am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

And what does that have to do with him having a viable opinion on politics? The man sincerely seems to believe that ACA is as horrible as slavery was. This is a man who was born in a time where public lynchings weren’t that far in the past. the point regarding Mozart that she’s making is just because a man or woman is brilliant in one field doesn’t mean he’s brilliant in another. You’re a Bears fan, I know. Would you want Mike Ditka being in charge of your health? Same goes with Carson. If I had a brain tumor, I’d be happy to have him operate on me but I don’t necessary want him representing my views just because of that.

If Ditka gave him a sausage pillow he might just go for it.
//

184 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:58:31am

re: #112 b.d.

Coors’ ads taught me that cold was a taste

True, because there is no taste in the damn beer, so sell what you can. Amber water in a can.

/

185 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:58:33am

re: #105 Uncle Obdicut

This one points out how overly common and often unnecessary strip searches are. Where did they think she hid that paperwork? //

Out of policy strip search=punishment without a trial.
Remember the egregious repeated strip search incident recently that was pointed out here? It blew over pretty fast. As I see it- If she was strip searched within a policy like what I quoted above, I’ll admit getting it wrong.

As far as her charges and trial go, I await a result and the evidence. I’m not looking for special treatment either way.

Another reason this is getting so much play (maybe wrongly) is LASD is accused of mishandling a diplomat in the recent arrest of deputies by FBI. We also have that video about the traveler who will never return to the US. So the media is “on the scent” as they say.

Let’s see what happens here. it might be another case of an unsavory person illustrating/uncovering a genuine problem. The kind we are better off fixing than ignoring given the status of the victims.

186 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:59:28am

re: #181 lawhawk

And why did it “sour”? Because he wasn’t sufficiently liberal enough. He was too quick to cave to GOP demands, and otherwise sought to govern from the center at a time when the GOP is pushing everything to the hard right.

The President has to govern by catering to more than just the left. He’s got to govern the nation, which means that there’s a wide range of political opinions. By attempting to govern from the middle, he risks losing the left, but they’re not going anywhere else. They can only look to move Obama’s policy positions towards their preferences.

Exactly, there’s that part of the left who is always looking for the “true progressive” rather than realizing that President Obama has to work within the constructs of the reality of his Congressional situation. I do have some disappointments with Obama, I concede but at the same time, I am happy with the progress that he’s made on many issues especially LGBT rights. The executive branch has gone from promoting a ban on SSM nationwide to being a champion of LGBT rights not just in the nation but throughout the whole world and I really think the administration deserves commendation for doing that.

187 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 7:59:45am

re: #181 lawhawk

And why did it “sour”? Because he wasn’t sufficiently liberal enough. He was too quick to cave to GOP demands, and otherwise sought to govern from the center at a time when the GOP is pushing everything to the hard right.

The President has to govern by catering to more than just the left. He’s got to govern the nation, which means that there’s a wide range of political opinions. By attempting to govern from the middle, he risks losing the left, but they’re not going anywhere else. They can only look to move Obama’s policy positions towards their preferences.

He has reminded us more than once that although he was not everyone’s candidate, he is everyone’s President. There seems to be a vein in the TP that those outside their narrow spectrum of ideological purity are scum who do not deserve to be recognized, dealth with or even (ask Ted Nugent) have the right to vote.

188 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:00:18am

re: #181 lawhawk

And why did it “sour”? Because he wasn’t sufficiently liberal enough. He was too quick to cave to GOP demands, and otherwise sought to govern from the center at a time when the GOP is pushing everything to the hard right.

The President has to govern by catering to more than just the left. He’s got to govern the nation, which means that there’s a wide range of political opinions. By attempting to govern from the middle, he risks losing the left, but they’re not going anywhere else. They can only look to move Obama’s policy positions towards their preferences.

This particular President can only be as liberal as the legislation that gets passed out of Congress allows. Something that many folks forget in their purity purges from the firebagger side. All things considered, as far as moving the needle, social justice for the LGBT folks across all spectrum of America from the military to marriage rights, Obama has been in front of the curve. As far as other liberal policy is concerned, he hasn’t vetoed anything that I am aware of because it’s too liberal. You want more liberal policies enacted, elect more liberals.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:01:23am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

If Ditka gave him a sausage pillow he might just go for it.
//

Ha true enough. Let’s see. How about Phil Jackson running Cook County’s police force? I mean I know he was able to manage the egos of MJ, Scottie P, and Rodman but Police Chief Phil Jackson may have other problems.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:02:48am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Ha true enough. Let’s see. How about Phil Jackson running Cook County’s police force? I mean I know he was able to manage the egos of MJ, Scottie P, and Rodman but Police Chief Phil Jackson may have other problems.

The reading list he’d distribute to the department officers would probably be quite interesting.

191 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:03:35am

re: #180 Decatur Deb

That’s created a naughtrage too, from both left and right.

digitaljournal.com

guns.com

Lobbying from Boeing is my guess. They’re looking at few-to-no orders for the F/A-18 after next year as the F-35 comes on stream, so they asked for the Hornet to be given a high visibility role.

The other reason is NORAD concern that Vladimir Putin will try to ruin Christmas by ordering his new SU-34s to shoot Santa down or worse, force him to land in Russia. The NSA informed NORAD that Santa’s planned routes for the year were handed over to the FSB by Edward Snowden.

/Kidding about that second part.

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:04:55am
193 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:05:12am

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

The other reason is NORAD concern that Vladimir Putin will try to ruin Christmas by ordering his new SU-34s to shoot Santa down or worse, force him to land in Russia. The NSA informed NORAD that Santa’s planned routes for the year were handed over to the FSB by Edward Snowden.

/Kidding about that second part.

Snowden was a hero for leaking news on Santa using illgally gathered metadata to see you when your sleeping and know when you’re awake…

194 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:05:56am

re: #188 piratedan

This particular President can only be as liberal as the legislation that gets passed out of Congress allows. Something that many folks forget in their purity purges from the firebagger side. All things considered, as far as moving the needle, social justice for the LGBT folks across all spectrum of America from the military to marriage rights, Obama has been in front of the curve. As far as other liberal policy is concerned, he hasn’t vetoed anything that I am aware of because it’s too liberal. You want more liberal policies enacted, elect more liberals.

Absolutely and I’ll add another thing about Obama to the liberals who say “He’s the same as McCain/Romney would be”. Would McCain or Romney have appointed judges like Sotomayor or Kagan? No those two justices aren’t in the mold of Bill Brennan or Thurgood Marshall but they are different than Roberts and Scalia, both of whom McCain and Romney said they saw as models and I have little doubt would fill our judiciary with like minded judges. Obama’s a pragmatic guy. Anyone who voted for Obama thinking that this was going to be an instant renaissance of progressivism fools themselves. What Obama has hopefully done and I think succeeded in doing is helping make the country more center to center left on social issues. As I said, his administration needs props for their support of LGBT rights not just nationally but globally especially when you compare him to his immediate predecessor.

195 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:06:32am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Ha true enough. Let’s see. How about Phil Jackson running Cook County’s police force? I mean I know he was able to manage the egos of MJ, Scottie P, and Rodman but Police Chief Phil Jackson may have other problems.

He’s too honest to be elected sheriff of Cook County. You can’t win that post unless you are acceptable to the Chicago Machine.

196 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:06:38am

re: #190 Feline Fearless Leader

The reading list he’d distribute to the department officers would probably be quite interesting.

Yeah. I don’t think too many of Chicago’s finest want to read about Zen.

197 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:07:05am

re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader

Snowden works real well for GG as his martyrdom substitute. He can proclaim about Snowden being put upon, crucified, etc. without taking any of the real risk himself. Snowden shivering in the cold of Moscow like the little matchstick girl is actually continually in GG’s interest.

Glenn Greenwald as a Remora.*


*The “suckerfish” that attach themselves to larger species for a free ride and side benefits.

198 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:08:27am

re: #193 Sol Berdinowitz

Snowden was a hero for leaking news on Santa using illgally gathered metadata to see you when your sleeping and know when you’re awake…

We’d be better off if NSA had checked their hiring list twice.

199 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:08:55am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

He’s too honest to be elected sheriff of Cook County. You can’t win that post unless you are acceptable to the Chicago Machine.

I think you miss my point here, my point has been that just because a man is great at one field doesn’t mean he’s necessarily going to be great at another. We were talking Dr. Carson above as you know, brilliant brain surgeon but that fact doesn’t mitigate the fact he’s proven himself moronic when it comes to politics. The oft quoted statement about ACA and slavery I think shows that. I mean he’s free to think it’s bad policy but if he seriously thinks it’s the worst thing since slavery— then I have to question how smart Dr. Carson is about politics. Take Herman Cain as another example. The guy was a successful businessman but he’s shown that he doesn’t understand politics. That’s not to say you can’t be a succcessful businessman and or politician. In fact, often times, you see both but my point is success in one field doesn’t mean success in another. I know history quite well. Let’s just say, I won’t be applying for MIT’s engineering school any time soon.

200 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:09:41am

re: #193 Sol Berdinowitz

Snowden was a hero for leaking news on Santa using illgally gathered metadata to see you when your sleeping and know when you’re awake…

But the media doesn’t report this since Santa is a supporter of using clean coal.
//

201 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:09:59am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

He ran on a progressive platform. Hope & Change. Nobel peace prize. Holding our winners to their promises is hard to think of as a bad idea. Disappointment on the left is perfectly understandable, unless it’s taken to moonbat territory.

202 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:12:17am

I was born of a virgin and rose from the dead (w/o any modern medical intervention). My friends will back me up

So, what are you waiting for? Create a religion around me.

203 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:12:19am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

This! That cartoon is the result of a cartoonist angry because Paul Ryan struck a deal that kept the cartoonist from beclowning himself again.

Really?

I am not sure of the complete background, but sometimes (many actually) an artist can do pieces on other viewpoints from their own. You know…poke ‘em with a stick.

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:12:47am

Some idiot wingnut with “Jewish” in his Twitter name advocates genocide.

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:14:01am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

I was born of a virgin and rose from the dead (w/o any modern medical intervention). My friends will back me up

So, what are you waiting for? Create a religion around me.

We are waiting for you to ascend into heaven before we can start circulating some gospels about you based on hearsay and secondhand evidence

206 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:14:46am

re: #201 Political Atheist

He ran on a progressive platform. Hope & Change. Nobel peace prize. Holding our winners to their promises is hard to think of as a bad idea. Disappointment on the left is perfectly understandable, unless it’s taken to moonbat territory.

He’s meeting most of my low expectations. OTOH, he still looks like fucking Arthur Pendragon compared to his rabies-frothing enemies.

207 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:15:23am

re: #201 Political Atheist

He ran on a progressive platform. Hope & Change. Nobel peace prize. Holding our winners to their promises is hard to think of as a bad idea. Disappointment on the left is perfectly understandable, unless it’s taken to moonbat territory.

The Nobel Peace Prize? You mean the prize that he freely admits that he didn’t deserve. And yes, he did run on a progressive platform. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s not making the laws that he signs or doesn’t sign. Congress does. As I said, I have some faults with him, I think he could have been more aggressive on the public option for example. I don’t have a problem at all with holding people to their promises. I have a problem with impossible standards for elected officials where every appointee who may have a connection that a person doesn’t like means the official is a sell out or every hawkish military action means he’s a warmongrel. To use another example of this, I’ll use Secretary Kerry. He’s one of the most able minds the Dems had on foreign policy after Hillary retired and yet he wasn’t good enough for the people I’m talking about because they’re still not over the 2004 election. That’s the mindset I’m attacking here not people who are like most of us here and wish Obama could have been more aggressive on issue A or B.

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:15:34am

I fed the multitudes with pie and turned water into any kind of beverage!

209 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:15:52am

re: #193 Sol Berdinowitz

Snowden was a hero for leaking news on Santa using illgally gathered metadata to see you when your sleeping and know when you’re awake…

It’s been rumored for years that Santa was on the CIA payroll, though he does presumably pass his metadata on to the NSA. As such Snowden wouldn’t have had access to the full story, since the Booze Allan Hamilton office on Oahu doesn’t have access to the CIA’s Santa Archive (rumored to include such items as George W. Bush’s Christmas lists when he was a kid). That makes Santa all the more valuable to FSB, and they’ll stop at nothing to bring him in this year or failing that to take him out of the equation.

//This is fun.

210 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:17:49am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

I didn’t miss your point, I just used your post as an excuse to fling mud at something I don’t like.

211 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:18:15am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I think we agree, it’s legit short of a certain extreme. From the right and left of course and we know where that imbalance falls.

212 Joanne  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:19:07am

re: #181 lawhawk

And no matter what he does, he is labeled “teh most librul soshulist EVAH” by the right (Heritage Obamacare, for example) and a spineless sap by the left.

The wingbats have no understanding of politics and what can and cannot be done politically. There would be no Obamacare if they held out for the public option (Lieberman guaranteed the final No vote on that). There would be no starting point to get coverage for those who had preexisting conditions. There would only be the status quo of Nope, Sorry…no insurance for you!

213 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:19:12am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t miss your point, I just used your post as an excuse to fling mud at something I don’t like.

Ah fair enough.

214 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:19:21am

re: #201 Political Atheist

He ran on a progressive platform. Hope & Change. Nobel peace prize. Holding our winners to their promises is hard to think of as a bad idea. Disappointment on the left is perfectly understandable, unless it’s taken to moonbat territory.

well I think any disappointment should be tempered with a healthy dose of reality. For some reason our hopes and dreams for a more progressive and left leaning policy needs to be countered by the thought that the last four years in this country we’ve seen opposition politics that harken back to the days of the 1850’s with folks discussion secession, nullification and the questioning the actual legitimacy of the President himself. Taking into account the rank obstructionism and lunacy of the right because the pigmentation/politics/reasonableness of this President and their fervent desire to wipe him and any accomplishments of his administration from the historical record needs to be taken into account. Who’s fault is that? I blame the left and center for staying home in 2010 and also applaud the right for focusing their vitriol so efficiently.

215 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:19:22am

re: #205 Sol Berdinowitz

We are waiting for you to ascend into heaven before we can start circulating some gospels about you based on hearsay and secondhand evidence

I think I can arrange that with a bit of stagecraft. : )

216 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:19:44am
217 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:20:51am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

It’s been rumored for years that Santa was on the CIA payroll, though he does presumably pass his metadata on to the NSA. As such Snowden wouldn’t have had access to the full story, since the Booze Allan Hamilton office on Oahu doesn’t have access to the CIA’s Santa Archive (rumored to include such items as George W. Bush’s Christmas lists when he was a kid). That makes Santa all the more valuable to FSB, and they’ll stop at nothing to bring him in this year or failing that to take him out of the equation.

//This is fun.

Not only that, but Santa keeps his elves in a state that is like SLAVERY. They have to live on the “Santa Compound” and anytime you ever see any of them out in public, like at the mall, they are always in the presence of a “Santa Overseer”. Don’t talk to me about the LOTR elves, the ones stuck back far from civilization making toys for 18 hours a day, 6 days a week refer to those as “Uncle Nicks”.

///And no risk of banning on this one.

RBS

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:22:45am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

It’s been rumored for years that Santa was on the CIA payroll, though he does presumably pass his metadata on to the NSA. As such Snowden wouldn’t have had access to the full story, since the Booze Allan Hamilton office on Oahu doesn’t have access to the CIA’s Santa Archive (rumored to include such items as George W. Bush’s Christmas lists when he was a kid). That makes Santa all the more valuable to FSB, and they’ll stop at nothing to bring him in this year or failing that to take him out of the equation.

//This is fun.

That’s because Santa’s archive is based on old ink-based technology and does not have good interfaces into modern systems. Therefore, download time of naughty/nice checks is slow and partially to blame for the slow speed of implementation of the website supporting the AGA (Affordable Gift Act).
//

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:23:04am

re: #217 RealityBasedSteve

Not only that, but Santa keeps his elves in a state that is like SLAVERY. They have to live on the “Santa Compound” and anytime you ever see any of them out in public, like at the mall, they are always in the presence of a “Santa Overseer”. Don’t talk to me about the LOTR elves, the ones stuck back far from civilization making toys for 18 hours a day, 6 days a week refer to those as “Uncle Nicks”.

///And no risk of banning on this one.

RBS

If we raised the minimum elf wage, it would only hurt the people it was supposed to help!

220 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:23:50am

WTFITS
Wingnuts using their favorite rhetorical device, the “False Dichotomy”

221 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:25:08am

re: #220 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Wingnuts using their favorite rhetorical device, the “False Dichotomy”

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I’d like them to find an actual liberal who thinks the troops should have their benefits weakened. In fact, I think the total opposite. I think this idiot forgets who pushed the GI Bill and who opposed it at the end of WWII.

222 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:25:19am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

Sorry, he may be accomplished, but his mouth diminishes those accomplishments. If he was so damn smart he’d realize he is talking pure shit. And apparently, shit pays. The question in my mind is what his talking shit accomplishes for him. Maybe just being an accomplished doctor doesn’t bring the attention his vast ego seems to need.

223 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:25:24am

re: #220 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Wingnuts using their favorite rhetorical device, the “False Dichotomy”

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yeah, where the fuck are all of those R bills that raise Military pay? Gee, I can’t remember a single fucking one….all I know is that the R’s now want to go after government worker pensions….

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:25:39am

re: #220 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Wingnuts using their favorite rhetorical device, the “False Dichotomy”

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When “liberals” come out for defense cuts, it’s not for military pay & benefits, it’s for pork-barrel, no-bid, cost-plus defense contracts that even the military admits it doesn#t need.

225 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:26:12am

re: #223 piratedan

yeah, where the fuck are all of those R bills that raise Military pay? Gee, I can’t remember a single fucking one….all I know is that the R’s now want to go after government worker pensions….

Seriously. I’d like to see the last time a TP Congressman sponsored a bill increasing benefits and pay to our troops? Bueller?

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:26:16am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I’d like them to find an actual liberal who thinks the troops should have their benefits weakened. In fact, I think the total opposite. I think this idiot forgets who pushed the GI Bill and who opposed it at the end of WWII.

They are always posting stupid graphics of WHAT LIBRULS BELIEVE and it’s some shit they heard on Rush.

227 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:27:49am

File this under: Why the hell did I read the comments of a Breitbrat article

For some reason, I read the comments on the article: JON STEWART CHUCKLES OVER ‘KNOCKOUT GAMES,’ CLAIMS NOT A TREND

Bcrogan • 8 minutes ago
…they have a HISTORY of cops NOT reporting crime just to make it look like they have low crime numbers. They have been doing this since the 80s. He is the type of liberal that will deny the existence of hoards of roaming black teenagers - some groups as big as 500 or 1000 attacking white people in major urban areas, or public events…

Guest • 17 minutes ago
No wonder blacks love to knock Jews out, they ask for it.

rickb8 • 23 minutes ago −
I hope he gets to play it soon. I hope he’s one that loses it and his life. This guy is an asstard.

William O’Brien • 31 minutes ago −
well,lets see if he is laughing when a bunch of monkeys go out feet first with .45 acl. holes in their heads. their mommas can cry to him.

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:28:24am

David Sirota is mostly a derping Dudebro but once in a while he gets something.

229 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:28:31am

re: #216 Lord of the Pies

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230 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:28:50am

nbcnews.com

A few valid points here. Dutch prostitutes want the same special pension and retirement perks that footballers get.

231 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:29:05am

re: #226 Lord of the Pies

They are always posting stupid graphics of WHAT LIBRULS BELIEVE and it’s some shit they heard on Rush.

You mean I’m more likely as a liberal to believe in the teachings of Groucho Marx than Karl Marx and despite the fact I am not a cat guy I’d rather hear meow than Mao? But yeah, I love how they think they know what liberals actually believe but they really don’t. I’ve never seen a liberal say military service members should have their benefits or pay cut. Sol points it out above, when liberals say the military needs to have spending cut, we’re talking about waste, bloated contracts, and outdated tech that even the brass admit we don’t need anymore.

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:29:55am

WTFITS
Wingnuts ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A CAR?
Then ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A GUN?

233 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:29:58am

re: #223 piratedan

yeah, where the fuck are all of those R bills that raise Military pay? Gee, I can’t remember a single fucking one….all I know is that the R’s now want to go after government worker pensions….

You must have a short memory, for George W. Bush did push for increases in military pay and benefits and got those increases.

234 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:30:57am

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

nbcnews.com

A few valid points here. Dutch prostitutes want the same special pension and retirement perks that footballers get.

Well, they both have a fairly short peak earnings period and both are tremendous at acting when somebody touches them. Seems fair to me.

RBS

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:31:19am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

You mean I’m more likely as a liberal to believe in the teachings of Groucho Marx than Karl Marx and despite the fact I am not a cat guy I’d rather hear meow than Mao? But yeah, I love how they think they know what liberals actually believe but they really don’t. I’ve never seen a liberal say military service members should have their benefits or pay cut. Sol points it out above, when liberals say the military needs to have spending cut, we’re talking about waste, bloated contracts, and outdated tech that even the brass admit we don’t need anymore.

But the last are what the bloated moneybags want kept since that is how they’re sucking $$$ from the government teat kept full by the middle class tax payer.
/

236 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:31:35am

re: #232 Lord of the Pies

I’m not really afraid someone is going to drive their car into my kids classroom.

237 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:32:44am

re: #227 geoffm33

File this under: Why the hell did I read the comments of a Breitbrat article

For some reason, I read the comments on the article: JON STEWART CHUCKLES OVER ‘KNOCKOUT GAMES,’ CLAIMS NOT A TREND

Open racism, nice.

[headdesk]

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:33:08am

re: #236 geoffm33

I’m not really afraid someone is going to drive their car into my kids classroom.

Also too: all the mass shooters learned how to “drive” their weapons.

239 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:33:14am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Exactly, there’s that part of the left who is always looking for the “true progressive” rather than realizing that President Obama has to work within the constructs of the reality of his Congressional situation. I do have some disappointments with Obama, I concede but at the same time, I am happy with the progress that he’s made on many issues especially LGBT rights. The executive branch has gone from promoting a ban on SSM nationwide to being a champion of LGBT rights not just in the nation but throughout the whole world and I really think the administration deserves commendation for doing that.

This goes to Obama making the analogy in the Chris Matthews interview of moving the rock up the hill a bit so the next guy can take up the job and move it a bit more. In other words, Obama knows where he stands in accomplishments at the same time he can measure his defeats and mistakes. I admire the guy because he is very reflective and thinking of all sides of an issue. Something I think many miss, and surely a huge difference from some other recent Presidents.

240 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:33:55am

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Open racism, nice.

[headdesk]

If the commentors at Breitbart got a band together, you just came up with a good name for them.

241 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:34:55am

re: #240 geoffm33

If the commentors at Breitbart got a band together, you just came up with a good name for them.

Yes, Ragegasm.

242 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:35:48am

re: #232 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Wingnuts ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A CAR?
Then ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A GUN?

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Trying to follow this to the logical conclusion, Either we have to do away with any kind of licensing and proof of skill to operate a vehicle, or we require it for carrying a weapon. Don’t see how you can have it both ways, but I’m kind of slow like that.

RBS
stupid logical consistency always messing up my world

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:36:29am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Yes, Ragegasm.

Hmm, I think I’m going to save “Perfidious Albion and the Frothing Ragegasm” as the future band name.

244 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:36:48am

re: #236 geoffm33

I’m not really afraid someone is going to drive their car into my kids classroom.

I would eliminate drunk drivers before I went after school shooters. Our corner of the state never makes it through prom season without a carfull of dead kids.

245 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:37:30am

re: #243 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, I think I’m going to save “Perfidious Albion and the Frothing Ragegasm” as the future band name.

I don’t know. Ragegasm just sounds easier to say.

246 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:38:21am

Duck Dynasty guy said something really gross & homophobic.

Explain to me why these people deserve attention.

247 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:38:28am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. Ragegasm just sounds easier to say.

I prefer Whitetallica.

248 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:38:52am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

and yet he’s the same guy that blocked the modernization of the VA and vetoed the increase in benefits to military families.re: #233 Dark_Falcon

You must have a short memory, for George W. Bush did push for increases in military pay and benefits and got those increases.

ahhh but no love for Obama and the fact that in his first two years he also pushed for increased military pay and a benefits upgrade? Yet since we’re now living in the age of austerity, what’s been happening?

249 bubba zanetti  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:39:00am

re: #242 RealityBasedSteve

And you can learn how to safely handle dynamite. That doesn’t mean everyone should have a stick in their nightstand.

250 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:39:43am

re: #244 Decatur Deb

I would eliminate drunk drivers before I went after school shooters. Our corner of the state never makes it through prom season without a carfull of dead kids.

Agreed. And there is never a way to “eliminate” either of those groups. But with better laws and regulations we can hope to curb them. I know, preaching to the choir.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:40:04am

re: #249 bubba zanetti

And you can learn how to safely handle dynamite. That doesn’t mean everyone should have a stick in their nightstand.

C’mon. Everyone should be able to drape their Xmas tree with sticks of dynamite, bulbs of C-4, and garlands of det cord!
///

252 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:40:36am

I finished 3 seasons of The Walking Dead in less than a week. What do I win?

253 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:41:27am

re: #238 Lord of the Pies

Also too: all the mass shooters learned how to “drive” their weapons.

No, for the most part they didn’t. Loughner had magazine failures that allowed him to be pulled down and subdued, while Holmes’ rifle suffered a jam he could clear.

Of the three ‘big’ recent mass shooters, only Adam Lanza actually knew his weapon, as only he was able to clear a jam and resume killing. Most of these scum don’t practice clearing jams and thus they are effectively disarmed if their weapon suffers a jam.

254 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:42:53am

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

C’mon. Everyone should be able to drape their Xmas tree with sticks of dynamite, bulbs of C-4, and garlands of det cord!
///

In the 50s, they marketed a Christmas tree firefighting ‘grenade’, an ornament full of carbon tetrachloride dangling from a low-temp fusible hanger.

255 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:42:57am

Bryan is a “Duck Dynasty” fan, or just a fan of anything homophobic.

256 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:43:15am

re: #246 Lord of the Pies

Duck Dynasty guy said something really gross & homophobic.

Explain to me why these people deserve attention.

I think you know the answer to that already. It has something to do with similarities with the audience.

EDIT: Just saw the Bryan Fischer comment above. There you go.

257 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:43:51am
258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:44:37am

re: #252 geoffm33

I finished 3 seasons of The Walking Dead in less than a week. What do I win?

You win a boot to the head.

259 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:44:50am

re: #248 piratedan

and yet he’s the same guy that blocked the modernization of the VA and vetoed the increase in benefits to military families.

ahhh but no love for Obama and the fact that in his first two years he also pushed for increased military pay and a benefits upgrade? Yet since we’re now living in the age of austerity, what’s been happening?

Wrong teamism.

/

260 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:44:58am

re: #255 Lord of the Pies

Bryan is a “Duck Dynasty” fan, or just a fan of anything homophobic.

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Anything homophobic. Explains his affinity for Putin quite well.

261 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:45:28am

BIG GAY!!!1

This one cracks me up every time. I don’t know how they type it with a straight face.

262 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:46:38am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

No, for the most part they didn’t. Loughner had magazine failures that allowed him to be pulled down and subdued, while Holmes’ rifle suffered a jam he could clear.

Of the three ‘big’ recent mass shooters, only Adam Lanza actually knew his weapon, as only he was able to clear a jam and resume killing. Most of these scum don’t practice clearing jams and thus they are effectively disarmed if their weapon suffers a jam.

Loughner’s mistake is that he hadn’t taken time to train himself to fast change a magazine, something made harder when dealing with an extended mag. A trained shooter would have been comfortable with changing magazines without looking at the gun. And Holmes did exactly what you’re taught to do in the military when your primary weapon jams and you don’t have time to fix the jam: Switch over to a secondary weapon, which in his case happened to be a shotgun.

If anything, comparing the former two incidents to Lanza show that training people with how to handle guns just makes them more lethal if they should decide to turn those guns on others.

263 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:46:41am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

No, for the most part they didn’t. Loughner had magazine failures that allowed him to be pulled down and subdued, while Holmes’ rifle suffered a jam he could clear.

Of the three ‘big’ recent mass shooters, only Adam Lanza actually knew his weapon, as only he was able to clear a jam and resume killing. Most of these scum don’t practice clearing jams and thus they are effectively disarmed if their weapon suffers a jam.

This response scares me! And I wonder if you really know why?

264 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:47:04am

I think I missed the death threats and the lynch mobs.
Bryan are you so proud of Ivan Okhlobystin? Is he your new BFF?

265 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:48:00am

re: #257 Lord of the Pies

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266 bubba zanetti  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:48:10am

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

C’mon. Everyone should be able to drape their Xmas tree with sticks of dynamite, bulbs of C-4, and garlands of det cord!
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Youtube Video

267 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:48:35am

re: #264 Lord of the Pies

I think I missed the death threats and the lynch mobs.
Bryan are you so proud of Ivan Okhlobystin? Is he your new BFF?

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Yeah llike the time gay activists said everyone like him should be burned in ovens. Oh wait, Bry that was one of your homophobic brothers in arms. Stop making yourself out to be a victim because you can’t handle living in a society that actually says homophobia is wrong and disgusting.

268 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:48:57am

Is Mark Russinovich a dudebro?

‘Cause he has some things to say about what Microsoft is doing about how the NSA operates.

269 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:50:21am
270 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:50:52am

re: #122 darthstar

Amazing how most of the EU is needing the vapors, but the Scandinavians, who have an amazing Human Rights record since WWII, are smacking this BS down with a hammer.

271 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:50:53am

re: #261 erik_t

BIG GAY!!!1

This one cracks me up every time. I don’t know how they type it with a straight face.

Big Gay, Big Gay. I liked that episode of Louie. Louie and some comic friends of his are talking including a gay one and the gay comic says I talk about gay sex more with you guys than my friends. I also like “homosexual lifestyle.” All my gay and lesbian friends have had similarly mundane lifestyles like me except they just happen to be attracted to other men or women. I wager to bet that Fischer thinks about gay sex more than your average gay man.

272 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:51:44am

re: #269 Lord of the Pies

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Anyone who criticizes this man is like Hitler or something!

273 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:52:15am

re: #263 ObserverArt

This response scares me! And I wonder if you really know why?

I’d guess you find my analysis of the murderers crimes overly dispassionate, or you thought I believed on some level that they had failed in not killing enough. You’d be wrong on that last. I despise ‘active shooters’ and I find their acts of murder despicable.

274 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:53:26am

re: #266 bubba zanetti

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Great camera he’s using.

275 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:53:36am

WTFITS

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:54:21am
277 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:55:03am

re: #270 The War TARDIS

Amazing how most of the EU is needing the vapors, but the Scandinavians, who have an amazing Human Rights record since WWII, are smacking this BS down with a hammer.

Most of them have lower levels of anti-Americanism and have a less sensationalist media.

278 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:55:36am

So what did Robertson actually say?

279 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:56:24am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Big Gay, Big Gay. I liked that episode of Louie. Louie and some comic friends of his are talking including a gay one and the gay comic says I talk about gay sex more with you guys than my friends. I also like “homosexual lifestyle.” All my gay and lesbian friends have had similarly mundane lifestyles like me except they just happen to be attracted to other men or women. I wager to bet that Fischer thinks about gay sex more than your average gay man.

I recall a cartoon outlining the “Gay Agenda” it showed two guys sitting at a table and went someting like

7:00 breakfast
8:00 work
12:00 lunch
1:00 more work
6:00 dinner
8:00 drinks, maybe a movie?
11:00 reading, then bed.

280 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:58:00am

re: #275 Lord of the Pies

That’s not pork, that’s something that affected areas do to try and get people to spend time and money visiting places affected by natural disasters. Gulf Coast ran ads to show that they were open for business after Rita, Katrina, and other hurricanes as well as the BP oil spill.

If you spend money on advertising nationally over a period of time, it’s going to cost. And that money benefits the tv networks and the ad agencies putting them together.

But I think the real reason that Rand might be pissed is because it meant that Gov. Chris Christie (a GOPer and rival for 2016) got to appear in them in some form…

281 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 8:58:24am

re: #278 Eclectic Cyborg

So what did Robertson actually say?

Some homophobic crap.

282 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:00:57am

WTFITS:


For the archive:


A day earlier:

283 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:01:05am

re: #281 Lord of the Pies

Some homophobic crap.

Always take your moral guidance from ZZ Top tribute artists.

284 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:02:31am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Always take your moral guidance from ZZ Top tribute artists.

Is that what Duck Dynasty is? I managed to remain ignorant until now. I was thinking Disney movie or TV hunting show.

285 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:02:43am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I also think they are a little more grounded.

These are nations that can get nasty. Remember, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden all entered the Libyan War. And threw more shit per capita than anyone else at Qaddafi.

286 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:03:42am

re: #284 wrenchwench

Is that what Duck Dynasty is? I managed to remain ignorant until now. I was thinking Disney movie or TV hunting show.

Hunting show is not far off from the truth.

287 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:04:08am

re: #284 wrenchwench

Is that what Duck Dynasty is? I managed to remain ignorant until now. I was thinking Disney movie or TV hunting show.

It’s about a dysfunctional family of vaguely Louisiana swamp dwellers who made money from a successful line of hunting accessories.

288 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:06:59am

I have to join this site…

infidels.org

289 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:08:37am

re: #262 Targetpractice

We got lots of people coming back from the wars, very well trained. Now practically everybody on the ground gets advanced tactical training by way of the gun and entering buildings with hostiles in them.

When I see gun competitions now, amateur ones, the skill level is way up from the 90’s.

290 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:09:23am

re: #281 Lord of the Pies

Some homophobic crap.

WTF? Are those guys cheap ZZ Top imitators with no talent whatsoever?

291 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:11:03am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

WTF? Are those guys cheap ZZ Top imitators with no talent whatsoever?

They have a link to ZZ Top though their show’s theme music. Not hard to see the aesthetic flow there.

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:11:03am

re: #287 Decatur Deb

It’s about a dysfunctional family of vaguely Louisiana swamp dwellers who made money from a successful line of hunting accessories.

My son in Alabama was telling us this show is TEH AWESOME but I think he has a touch of Stockholm Syndrome.

293 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:11:11am

re: #282 wrenchwench

WTFITS:

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No, they weren’t. Irish Americans were treated poorly but nowhere near as bad as African-Americans.

294 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:11:13am
295 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:12:00am

re: #52 Lord of the Pies

Patriots always run away to other countries after they have stolen a bunch of classified intel.
//

Snowden wasn’t safe in a country that brags about TEH DRONEZ and who imprisons its own citizens! He had to go to Russia!

/Sirota

296 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:12:16am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

No, they weren’t. Irish Americans were treated poorly but nowhere near as bad as African-Americans.

Not to mention ‘White Irish’ is not a race.

297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:12:37am

re: #294 wrenchwench

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Those guys are two of the coolest old guys in show business.

298 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:12:41am

re: #292 Lord of the Pies

My son in Alabama was telling us this show is TEH AWESOME but I think he has a touch of Stockholm Syndrome.

It’s a kind of cultural camouflage. I always ordered okra when we eat out.

299 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:12:58am

re: #296 wrenchwench

Not to mention ‘White Irish’ is not a race.

Yep, exactly.

300 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:13:16am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

No, they weren’t. Irish Americans were treated poorly but nowhere near as bad as African-Americans.

Also too: the alleged NINA signs did not actually exist, except as saloon decorations.

301 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:13:29am

re: #287 Decatur Deb

It’s about a dysfunctional family of vaguely Louisiana swamp dwellers who made money from a successful line of hunting accessories.

That seems to be the direction of “reality” TV these days. RWNJs w/money whose family/success is supposed to be some kind of “roadmap” for a person’s life.

No thanks. I have ideas of my own.

302 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:15:21am

re: #300 Lord of the Pies

Also too: the alleged NINA signs did not actually exist, except as saloon decorations.

Right. Real stupid to claim that the Irish got treated worse then the Blacks. Totally dishonest especially given the sad history of Irish immigrants towards blacks.

303 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:15:21am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Turning Santa Claus into an American military icon on his knees in prayer is also wrong. He’s supposed to be a jolly fat fucker. Not a tool for emotionally manipulating people with faux troop support guilt. Yeah, let me go buy another fucking magnet for my car so I don’t have to feel bad about Santa and our dead troops.

304 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:16:06am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

That seems to be the direction of “reality” TV these days. RWNJs w/money whose family/success is supposed to be some kind of “roadmap” for a person’s life.

No thanks. I have ideas of my own.

I always view such “reality” TV as the modern equivalent of the old carnival side shows, where people tune in every week to point and laugh. Sort of like how shows like Survivor exist because we as a culture seem to like to watch the pain, suffering and emotional destruction of others.

305 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:16:59am

Heh…

306 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:18:01am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Right. Real stupid to claim that the Irish got treated worse then the Blacks. Totally dishonest especially given the sad history of Irish immigrants towards blacks.

We had a discussion of this some months ago. There were some documented situations in which Irish indentures lived a life much like that of AA slaves—mostly in Barbados, IIRC.

307 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:20:28am

re: #294 wrenchwench

In 40 years, that same photo will have Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch in it. Hahaha.

308 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:23:13am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

No, they weren’t. Irish Americans were treated poorly but nowhere near as bad as African-Americans.

IIRC, Irish orphans and the like were kidnapped off the streets of Ireland to send to the sugar plantations in the Caribbean (not the US.) They were treated abominably-just like the African slaves. No better, no worse, although they probably died in slightly higher numbers due to a lack of resistance to tropical diseases.

309 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:24:53am

re: #303 darthstar

Turning Santa Claus into an American military icon on his knees in prayer is also wrong. He’s supposed to be a jolly fat fucker. Not a tool for emotionally manipulating people with faux troop support guilt. Yeah, let me go buy another fucking magnet for my car so I don’t have to feel bad about Santa and our dead troops.

I jump out of a discussion on FB with a tool who thinks the Knockout Game is an actual epidemic, only to find out about the existence of an picture showing Santa praying before a military assault weapon.

Are other countries just as fucked up about shit like we are? Or is America it’s own special brand of crazy?

Part of my melancholy is due the fact the FB thread demonstrates that some Millenials are just as racist and blood thirsty as their grandparents. Oy.

310 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:26:24am

re: #308 calochortus

IIRC, Irish orphans and the like were kidnapped off the streets of Ireland to send to the sugar plantations in the Caribbean (not the US.) They were treated abominably-just like the African slaves. No better, no worse, although they probably died in slightly higher numbers due to a lack of resistance to tropical diseases.

Believe it spilled over a bit to the Carolinas. Here’s some on the Barbados angle:

yale.edu

amazon.com

311 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:26:41am

All right I did it, I succumbed to email advertising blitz and ordered something from FragranceNet.com with 20% off and free shipping. I usually buy at the Duty Free Store on the way back* from Canada but this is even cheaper.

*Will never buy stuff going into Canada because Matty Moroun can suck it. The prices at his DFS are jacked up higher than Macy’s!

312 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:26:43am

re: #309 Mattand

Part of my melancholy is due the fact the FB thread demonstrates that some Millenials are just as racist and blood thirsty as their grandparents. Oy.

There’s a generational shift, but it’s a gentle slope, not a cliff.

313 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:26:46am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

No, they weren’t. Irish Americans were treated poorly but nowhere near as bad as African-Americans.

Maybe they should ask about rich Irish plantation owners in the Old South.

There are several listed in this history of plantation owners in SC.

haygenealogy.com

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:28:28am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Maybe they should ask about rich Irish plantation owners in the Old South.

There are several listed in this history of plantation owners in SC.

haygenealogy.com

The O’Hara family from GWTW had to be based on somebody’s ancestors.

315 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:28:43am
316 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:29:18am

re: #185 Political Atheist

This one points out how overly common and often unnecessary strip searches are. Where did they think she hid that paperwork? //

So do the others.

Out of policy strip search=punishment without a trial.

I don’t think it was out of policy. The detention was by the US Marhalls, so citing NYPD policy does little to show anything.

Remember the egregious repeated strip search incident recently that was pointed out here?

Nope. I remember a guy being forced to get an enema and being repeatedly searched in the colon.

As far as her charges and trial go, I await a result and the evidence. I’m not looking for special treatment either way.

The evidence is pretty clear-cut. The way she caught caught, idiotically, was the Indian high court trying to get the US to enforce an order to arrest the domestic servant and prohibit her from speaking about what had happened to her. The visa fraud and the underpayment are both acknowledged.

Let’s see what happens here. it might be another case of an unsavory person illustrating/uncovering a genuine problem. The kind we are better off fixing than ignoring given the status of the victims.

By ‘genuine problem’, do you mean the forces servitude of this woman’s domestic servant?

Because the common usage of strip-searches doesn’t need to be uncovered, it’s completely well-known.

317 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:30:02am

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318 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:31:15am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Believe it spilled over a bit to the Carolinas. Here’s some on the Barbados angle:

yale.edu

amazon.com

Interesting. There is certainly a tangled relationship between prisoner labor, indentured servitude and slavery.

319 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:31:38am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Maybe they should ask about rich Irish plantation owners in the Old South.

There are several listed in this history of plantation owners in SC.

haygenealogy.com

Yep.

320 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:33:41am

re: #318 calochortus

Interesting. There is certainly a tangled relationship between prisoner labor, indentured servitude and slavery.

Same kind of thinking, and it extended into sharecropping.

(That second book mentions a phase in Virginia, not the Carolinas. The timeframe for the worst of it was pretty early.)

321 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:34:06am

NSA Colleague Describes Life With Snowden: ‘A Genius’ Who Wore EFF Anti-NSA Hoodies to Work - Boing Boing

littlegreenfootballs.com

322 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:35:48am

Big Gay?

323 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:36:49am

re: #309 Mattand

You can check that talk right now! The thing Santa is kneeling before is a fallen soldier’s rifle mounted outright by thrusting its bayonet into the ground, topped by his helmet, carrying his dog tags, and with empty boots flanking it. That is intended for ceremonial purposes within the military and it marks the death of a soldier. It’s purpose is not to glorify the rifle, but the rifle is their because it is one of the distinguishing things of the soldier.

Prior to the adoption of the M-16, ‘empty boot’ ceremonies were held using the Springfield M1903 and M1 Garand rifles that American soldiers were issued then.

Whatever you think of the picture, don’t bring the rifle into it.

324 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:39:22am

re: #322 darthstar

Big Gay?

Big Gay will launch the mother of all battles against Phil Robertson, Duck Dynasty, A&E and WalMart. Stand strong, everybody!

Because gays have a long and documented history of harassing, humiliating, beating and even lynching anyone who interferes with their soul-crushing agenda.

/

325 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:39:36am

re: #314 Lord of the Pies

The O’Hara family from GWTW had to be based on somebody’s ancestors.

And SC had a high proportion of slave owners. The NC county I live in has a large brick Federal style plantation house (re-built after the CW) which still has slave quarters in the back. Also in this county were iron foundries, manned by slaves, which provided iron for the CW. This county is full of history, such as this house, built around 1870, which is just around the corner from me. A lot of people here act as though they’re still living in the 19th century, too.

Image: mundy-house-historical-web.jpg

326 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:40:46am

Hey, I enjoy listening to Wagner’s music!

Why do some people think that is a crime?

327 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:40:48am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

You can check that talk right now! The thing Santa is kneeling before is a fallen soldier’s rifle mounted outright by thrusting its bayonet into the ground, topped by his helmet, carrying his dog tags, and with empty boots flanking it. That is intended for ceremonial purposes within the military and it marks the death of a soldier. It’s purpose is not to glorify the rifle, but the rifle is their because it is one of the distinguishing things of the soldier.

Prior to the adoption of the M-16, ‘empty boot’ ceremonies were held using the Springfield M1903 and M1 Garand rifles that American soldiers were issued then.

Whatever you think of the picture, don’t bring the rifle into it.

Sorry, I forgot how firearms are sacred holy relics to all of America.

I’ll turn in my citizenship.

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:40:52am

re: #254 Decatur Deb

In the 50s, they marketed a Christmas tree firefighting ‘grenade’, an ornament full of carbon tetrachloride dangling from a low-temp fusible hanger.

Clever idea. Nasty chemical to use for that purpose.

329 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:42:28am

re: #322 darthstar

Big Gay?

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It’s a Breitbartarian term, in that it uses the naming convention used by Andrew Breitbart (i.e. Big Hollywood, Big Peace, Big Government, etc) but was not coined by Breitbart himself.

(Breitbart himself was not anti-gay, though it is doubtful that he would have stood up to Fischer and his ilk on that point. However, as it happened he died before being put to that test, so his slate on gay matters remained largely clean.)

330 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:43:46am

re: #326 Lord of the Pies

Hey, I enjoy listening to Wagner’s music!

Why do some people think that is a crime?

Hey…

solomonsmusic.net

See photo of Wolfgang & Wieland Wagner posing w/Hitler, also…

331 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:44:28am

re: #326 Lord of the Pies

Hey, I enjoy listening to Wagner’s music!

Why do some people think that is a crime?

Oly a crime against taste…

332 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:44:32am

re: #312 wrenchwench

There’s a generational shift, but it’s a gentle slope, not a cliff.

I hope you’re right. It wasn’t present on this thread, based on the hysteria I created when pointing out the Knockout Game was basically a media myth designed to scare white people.

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:44:58am

re: #327 Mattand

Sorry, I forgot how firearms are sacred holy relics to all of America.

I’ll turn in my citizenship.

You’re missing the point. The photo depicts a temporary monument to a fallen soldier, its not a monument to the rifle. Moreover, he didn’t own the rifle, it was issued to him by the government.

Jesus tapdancing Christ!

334 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:45:37am

Bryan is totally obsessed by the details of Teh Ghey sexytimes.

I mean really. As far as I am concerned all they do is kiss and hold hands.

It’s like, totally not anyone else’s business.

335 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:46:18am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Hey…

solomonsmusic.net

See photo of Wolfgang & Wieland Wagner posing w/Hitler, also…

Wagner was dead before Hitler was born.

336 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:46:39am

via Memorandum—A post-election biography of the Romney campaign. it’s done from the Romney side, but shows possible insight (and great access).

Watch The Moment Mitt Romney Realizes He Is Going To Lose The Election

businessinsider.com

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:46:51am

re: #334 Lord of the Pies

Bryan is totally obsessed by the details of Teh Ghey sexytimes.

I mean really. As far as I am concerned all they do is >kiss and hold hands.

It’s like, totally not anyone else’s business.

Sodomy is a sin and an abdomination unto the Lord, and therefore it is our business as a Nation under God to prevent it from happening wherever we can and using all means at our disposal.

/

338 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:49:05am

re: #337 Sol Berdinowitz

Sodomy is a sin and an abdomination unto the Lord, and therefore it is our business as a Nation under God to prevent it from happening wherever we can and using all means at our disposal.

/

Ditto for eating meat on Friday in Lent.

339 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:49:13am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Hey…

solomonsmusic.net

See photo of Wolfgang & Wieland Wagner posing w/Hitler, also…

Richard Wagner shouldn’t really be held responsible for the actions of his son and grandsons.

Though those descendants of Wagner did wrong in associating with that failed artist drama queen Hitler.

340 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:49:30am

re: #337 Sol Berdinowitz

Sodomy is a sin and an abdomination unto the Lord, and therefore it is our business as a Nation under God to prevent it from happening wherever we can and using all means at our disposal.

/

And it’s just a bonus that we get to spend all that extra time thinking about what someone, somewhere might be doing!!!

341 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:49:44am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Whatever you think of the picture, don’t bring the rifle into it.

We really should be more sensitive to the feelings of firearms.

342 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:49:48am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

You’re missing the point. The photo depicts a temporary monument to a fallen soldier, its not a monument to the rifle. Moreover, he didn’t own the rifle, >it was issued to him by the government.

Jesus tapdancing Christ!

I’m not missing the point at all. It was fucking creepy picture of Santa prostrating himself before a makeshift military grave which incorporates a rifle.

343 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:50:44am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

Richard Wagner shouldn’t really be held responsible for the actions of his son and grandsons.

Though those descendants of Wagner did wrong in associating with that failed artist drama queen Hitler.

Why do people freak out about Wagner but not Richard Strauss (composer of “Also Sprach Zarathustra”), who was Official Composer Of The Third Reich.

344 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:51:09am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

It’s a Breitbartarian term, in that it uses the naming convention used by Andrew Breitbart (i.e. Big Hollywood, Big Peace, Big Government, etc) but was not coined by Breitbart himself.

(Breitbart himself was not anti-gay, though it is doubtful that he would have stood up to Fischer and his ilk on that point. However, as it happened he died before being put to that test, so his slate on gay matters remained largely clean.)

There was a lot of post-Breitbart cleaning up, rehab and restoration of his “legacy” as being “pro-gay” or at least not “anti-gay” by rightwingers, like this one from Tommy Christopher written a full year after his death: solomonsmusic.net

But I’m not believing it for one minute.

345 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:51:56am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Ditto for eating meat on Friday in Lent.

Or mixing wool and linen in one’s fabric. Something which apparently didn’t bother even the most religious of the American colonists. Linsey-woolsey

346 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:52:27am

re: #342 Mattand

I’m not missing the point at all. It was fucking creepy picture of Santa prostrating himself before a makeshift military grave which incorporates a rifle.

Not just Santa…Masculine, cut, broad shouldered Santa with presumably ripped abs and a steel jaw.

347 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:53:28am

re: #345 calochortus

Or mixing wool and linen in one’s fabric. Something which apparently didn’t bother even the most religious of the American colonists. Linsey-woolsey

Juice still avoid shaatnes (wool/linen mix) and keep the kosher laws, although it’s not something that we expect anyone else to do.

348 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:53:55am

re: #343 Lord of the Pies

Why do people freak out about Wagner but not Richard Strauss (composer of “Also Sprach Zarathustra”), who was Official Composer Of The Third Reich.

Because Wagner’s music has more popular appeal? Other than its use in 2001: A Space Odyssey does anyone actually listen to Also Sprach Zarathustra?

349 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:53:58am

re: #345 calochortus

Or mixing wool and linen in one’s fabric. Something which apparently didn’t bother even the most religious of the American colonists. Linsey-woolsey

First we’ll come for the hot-dog mongers…

350 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:54:02am


Three people were killed in a shootout involving government officials this morning near Rocky Point’s Sandy Beach area in Rocky Point, the Sonora newspaper El Imparcial is reporting.

Sonora state police say the incident started after a chase of a man driving a white Chevrolet pick up truck with California license plates Tuesday night in Sonoyta, the border town near the border crossing at Lukeville.

[…]

351 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:54:48am

OUTRAGE!

352 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:54:49am
353 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:55:09am

re: #347 Lord of the Pies

Juice still avoid shaatnes (wool/linen mix) and keep the kosher laws, although it’s not something that we expect anyone else to do.

True, I was speaking in the context of “good Christians” who are all over themselves to deal with motes in other peoples’ eyes.

354 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:55:19am

re: #327 Mattand

Sorry, I forgot how firearms are sacred holy relics to all of America.

I’ll turn in my citizenship.

Downding explanation.

You appear to be so wrapped around your own views you’re not paying attention to the actual situation.

The rifle, empty boots, and helmet are a memorial to the soldier to whom they once belonged. Harder to see are the dog tags that should be there.

It’s called a ‘battlefield cross’. It’s believed to have begun during the civil war, and certainly existed during later wars. It’s massively abused and overdone these days, which is a reason I’m offended at the santa claus at the memorial picture, but the underlying case is still solid.

Here’s the outline. The soldier is part of a team - ‘band of brothers’ is not really an exaggeration. Yet when one falls in combat his family doesn’t get a chance to mourn his absence. His body is usually collected, usually by graves registration, after the advance or retreat. There is nothing to focus the mourning.

What units do - what I’ve been through a couple of times - is have a ceremony. (All the ones I attended were closed - invitation only. It impacts how I feel about these civilian wailing look-at-me’s.) The battlefield cross is assembled for each of the fallen. Someone would volunteer to spit-shine boots or patch the helmet or any of a few other somewhat personal tasks as part of the memory, and then we’d gather to have our memorial to our brother.

What you just did, unthinkingly, is defecate over that memorial process. Since I think I’m sometimes an adult, I’m taking time to tell you why I downdinged you.

355 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:55:38am

re: #317 darthstar

700 K - to big to embed.

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That picture is actually Romney showing everyone that he has experience as being a common laborer.
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356 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:55:39am


That’s Arizona’s beach, basically.

357 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:56:59am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

(Breitbart himself was not anti-gay, though it is doubtful that he would have stood up to Fischer and his ilk on that point. However, as it happened he died before being put to that test, so his slate on gay matters remained largely clean.)

Except this: After Promoting Anti-Gay Rhetoric, Breitbart is Named to Gay Group’s Board

358 Joanne  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:57:38am

re: #322 darthstar

Big Gay?

359 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 9:59:29am

re: #350 wrenchwench

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If you’ve got someone who has taken a position on a high point of land, using a helo to flank them would be a smart tactic. And if they’re already firing on you and no friendlies are near, there’s no point in doing things by half measures: Arm the helicopter with machine guns.

Though I’d combine our discussions and add a loudspeaker:

Youtube Video

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:00:15am
361 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:00:46am

re: #322 darthstar

Big Gay?

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Big Gay!

Youtube Video

362 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:01:26am

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

If you’ve got someone who has taken a position on a high point of land, using a helo to flank them would be a smart tactic. And if they’re already firing on you and no friendlies are near, there’s no point in doing things by half measures: Arm the helicopter with machine guns.

Though I’d combine our discussions and add a loudspeaker:

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No smart tactics here. Sounds like desperate tactics. From the linked article:

An American man who lives in the Esmeralda Resort complex on Sandy Beach told the Star today that he was awakened at about 4:30 or 5 a.m. by the sound of gunfire.

“An absolutely unreal experience,” said Stephen Heisler. “Whoever they were going after must have had a tremendous amount of power … To actually see a helicopter gunship firing into a dense residential area will haunt many for a very long time.”

363 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:02:55am

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Ditto for eating meat on Friday in Lent.

So is mixing meat and dairy, eating shellfish, prohibitions against adultery, and wearing white after Labor Day! ////one of these is not quite like the others (one is more like a guide than a hard and fast rule).

364 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:03:34am

re: #361 Lidane

It’s Big Time.

Youtube Video

365 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:03:50am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Herring’s campaign was telling supporters that their lead had widened by 300 votes, but to be cautious because there was no telling how many would be tossed out by legal challenges. Guess Obenshain’s campaign lawyers decided today the answer would be “Not enough.”

366 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:05:28am

re: #354 kirkspencer

Appreciate the explanation.

It’s still a picture of Santa bowing before a firearm, Battlefield Cross or not. I personally find something incredibly disturbing about using Santa in that context.

To be honest, the emotional manipulation of linking Santa with something as emotionally powerful as a Battlefield Cross is far, far more offensive than anything I could ever say.

As for the downings: look, I really like this site, but getting downdings in a comment thread isn’t exactly the kind of thing that keeps me awake at night.

367 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:06:29am

giant kitteh!

Image: 1480528_692154527483188_1650791900_n.jpg

368 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:07:13am

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

giant kitteh!

Image: 1480528_692154527483188_1650791900_n.jpg

The next Roland Emmerich film.

369 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:11:02am

re: #366 Mattand

The main way to show convincing disregard for downdings is to not mention the downdings.

I don’t like guns, I don’t like militarism, but to me there’s nothing really wrong with that image. He is not praying to a rifle, he’s kneeling in respect to an assemblage of a rifle, boots, and helmet, an artifact-assemblage which stands in for a dead soldier. Even the position of the rifle in those displays is non-aggressive, and forlorn. It is without its clip, and the message underneath emphasizes that this is about the soldier giving his life in battle.

370 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:11:19am

re: #362 wrenchwench

No smart tactics here. Sounds like desperate tactics. From the linked article:

The cartels can wield some pretty heavy firepower, and some of their people are well-trained in its use. If you’ve got heavily armed, well-trained men who have forted themselves up where you can only come at them from avenues then have covered, you have to use heavy suppression fire to force them to take cover and minimize their defensive fire. Advancing against a determined enemy in a secure position results in a lot of your men getting killed or wounded.

371 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:12:19am

re: #145 Lord of the Pies

I remember when Schiff showed up at Occupy Wall Street to argue with the protesters. Seriously. Because nothing says “calm, mature, CEO” like spending your afternoon screaming at college students with handmade signs.

He’s also been predicting WEIMARZIMBABWE ANY DAY NOW!!!111 since 2009. Krugman may have mentioned him by name once when mocking these predictions, but doesn’t any longer (Schiff really isn’t worth Paulie’s attention).

In short, Schiff is like a dumber version of Rand Paul, and likely has an unusually tiny dick.

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:12:19am

re: #368 Targetpractice

The next Roland Emmerich film.

And probably more accurately scientifically and historically than all his previous films put together.

373 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:14:05am

re: #369 Uncle Obdicut

The main way to show convincing disregard for downdings is to not mention the downdings.

I don’t like guns, I don’t like militarism, but to me there’s nothing really wrong with that image. He is not praying to a rifle, he’s kneeling in respect to an assemblage of a rifle, boots, and helmet, an artifact-assemblage which stands in for a dead soldier. Even the position of the rifle in those displays is non-aggressive, and forlorn. It is without it’s clip, and the message underneath emphasizes that this is about the soldier giving his life in battle.

Quite Concur.

Though I would note that the rifle lacks its magazine. With an AR-type rifle, a clip is used to hold ammunition prior to feeding it into the magazine. But that’s just a language quibble and your point was well made.

374 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:14:10am

re: #372 Feline Fearless Leader

And probably more accurately scientifically and historically than all his previous films put together.

BLASPHEMY!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT 10,000 B.C. WAS TOTALLY ACCURATE!!

375 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:14:18am

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

The cartels can wield some pretty heavy firepower, and some of their people are well-trained in its use. If you’ve got heavily armed, well-trained men who have forted themselves up where you can only come at them from avenues then have covered, you have to use heavy suppression fire to force them to take cover and minimize their defensive fire. Advancing against a determined enemy in a secure position results in a lot of your men getting killed or wounded.

I wouldn’t defend the tactics used by the Mexican Government against the cartels unless I knew very specifically what happened. Their track record is not clean.

376 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:15:38am

re: #371 Ian G.

I remember when Schiff showed up at Occupy Wall Street to argue with the protesters. Seriously. Because nothing says “calm, mature, CEO” like spending your afternoon screaming at college students with handmade signs.

He’s also been predicting WEIMARZIMBABWE ANY DAY NOW!!!111 since 2009. Krugman may have mentioned him by name once when mocking these predictions, but doesn’t any longer (Schiff really isn’t worth Paulie’s attention).

In short, Schiff is like a dumber version of Rand Paul, and likely has an unusually tiny dick.

He can’t enjoy his billions (or his hundreds of millions) unless he is certain that there are a bunch of plebeians at the lowest level who are suffering from poverty. That validates him as being “better” than them.

377 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:16:29am

re: #373 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Though I would note that the rifle lacks its magazine. With an AR-type rifle, a clip is used to hold ammunition prior to feeding it into the magazine. But that’s just a language quibble and your point was well made.

I’m going to call it the ‘bullet wedge thingy’ from now on. Especially since cartridges aren’t bullets.

378 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:17:43am

re: #374 Dr Lizardo

BLASPHEMY!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT 10,000 B.C. WAS TOTALLY ACCURATE!!

Right along with “2012”…
:p

379 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:18:20am

re: #377 Uncle Obdicut

I’m going to call it the ‘bullet wedge thingy’ from now on. Especially since cartridges aren’t bullets.

[smiles]

380 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:18:53am


[…]

HOWEVER. Not to nitpick (totally to nitpick), but in her listing of all the colors Santa could be — white, yellow, red and black — did you happen to notice a color missing? A BROWN color, that is brown?

Jan Brewer still hates Messicans, the end.

381 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:20:21am

re: #232 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS
Wingnuts ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A CAR?
Then ask yourselves: WHAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF A GUN?

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Or that there are a lot of strong regulations on operating a car, and violating such regulations can result in forfeiture of the right to operate a car, or jail, etc.

Of course, any proposed regulation on guns that would come remotely close to the regulations put on motor vehicles would have the NRA calling for armed rebellion.

382 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:22:10am

re: #381 Ian G.

Or that there are a lot of strong regulations on operating a car, and violating such regulations can result in forfeiture of the right to operate a car, or jail, etc.

Of course, any proposed regulation on guns that would come remotely close to the regulations put on motor vehicles would have the NRA calling for armed rebellion.

Guns are a right. Motor vehicles are a privilege.
(or something like that.)
/

383 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:22:34am

re: #381 Ian G.

Or that there are a lot of strong regulations on operating a car, and violating such regulations can result in forfeiture of the right to operate a car, or jail, etc.

Of course, any proposed regulation on guns that would come remotely close to the regulations put on motor vehicles would have the NRA calling for armed rebellion.

Because, as they will point out, the Constitution does not explicitly guarantee the right to own a car…

384 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:24:54am

An ignorant redneck says what?


The fact that these yahoos are popular makes me ill. WTF America?

385 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:25:12am

re: #383 Sol Berdinowitz

Because, as they will point out, the Constitution does not explicitly guarantee the right to own a car…

If owning a gun is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, shouldn’t the Federal Government provide free guns to people who can’t afford to buy them? GUNFARE!!!!

386 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:26:21am

re: #378 Feline Fearless Leader

Right along with “2012”…
:p

lol.

I wasn’t too fond of 10,000 B.C., though it was OK. I really enjoyed 2012, actually; I recall what the late Roger Ebert said about it.

It’s not so much that the Earth is destroyed, but that it’s done so thoroughly. “2012,” the mother of all disaster movies (and the father, and the extended family) spends half an hour on ominous set-up scenes (scientists warn, strange events occur, prophets rant and of course a family is introduced) and then unleashes two hours of cataclysmic special events hammering the Earth relentlessly.

This is fun. “2012” delivers what it promises, and since no sentient being will buy a ticket expecting anything else, it will be, for its audiences, one of the most satisfactory films of the year. It even has real actors in it. Like all the best disaster movies, it’s funniest at its most hysterical. You think you’ve seen end-of-the-world movies? This one ends the world, stomps on it, grinds it up and spits it out.

rogerebert.com He gave it three and a half out of four stars. :)

387 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:27:30am

re: #281 Lord of the Pies

Some homophobic crap.

This had to have been a calculated move by Robertson, right? He must know he’s got red-state America in love with him, so what better way to solidify that love than with a remark that will now make him one of the “oppressed victims of the PC crowd”?

Honestly, the gay rights crowd should just ignore it. What fucking difference does it make? Don’t make the twit into a martyr for Real ‘Murka. At the same time, any red-state celebrity (like Kacey Musgraves) who does express openness to homosexuality should be lauded. Use carrots, not sticks.

388 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:29:22am

re: #384 Lidane

An ignorant redneck says what?

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The fact that these yahoos are popular makes me ill. WTF America?

The dumbing down of America continues apace.

389 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:30:22am

re: #387 Ian G.

This had to have been a calculated move by Robertson, right? He must know he’s got red-state America in love with him, so what better way to solidify that love than with a remark that will now make him one of the “oppressed victims of the PC crowd”?

Honestly, the gay rights crowd should just ignore it. What fucking difference does it make? Don’t make the twit into a martyr for Real ‘Murka. At the same time, any red-state celebrity (like Kacey Musgraves) who does express openness to homosexuality should be lauded. Use carrots, not sticks.

Jumping the ‘gator.

390 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:30:48am

re: #384 Lidane

An ignorant redneck says what?

[Embedded content]


The fact that these yahoos are popular makes me ill. WTF America?

Shintos, that’s a new one on the nutcase worry list.

391 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:31:03am

re: #384 Lidane

An ignorant redneck says what?

[Embedded content]


The fact that these yahoos are popular makes me ill. WTF America?

Islamists venerate Jesus, FWIW. But we’re obviously not talking about a particularly enlightened scholar here.

And Shintos? I mean, I imagine Shintoism still has real influences on modern Japanese culture, and last time I checked, Japan was a pretty peaceful and prosperous place. It ain’t 1941 anymore.

392 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:31:17am

re: #387 Ian G.

Disclaimer: I don’t have cable so my direct knowledge of these folks is nil.

I have, however, seen comments lately about Duck Dynasty’s popularity possibly peaking and that they are oversaturating the market with their branded ‘stuff’. Suddenly conservatives want to support these fine, upstanding folks. Coincidence? Maybe.

393 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:31:57am

re: #387 Ian G.

This had to have been a calculated move by Robertson, right? He must know he’s got red-state America in love with him, so what better way to solidify that love than with a remark that will now make him one of the “oppressed victims of the PC crowd”?

Honestly, the gay rights crowd should just ignore it. What fucking difference does it make? Don’t make the twit into a martyr for Real ‘Murka. At the same time, any red-state celebrity (like Kacey Musgraves) who does express openness to homosexuality should be lauded. Use carrots, not sticks.

Speaking of Kasey Musgraves, she’s a talented singer. I really liked her album fom this year.

394 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:32:48am

re: #391 Ian G.

Islamists venerate Jesus, FWIW. But we’re obviously not talking about a particularly enlightened scholar here.

And Shintos? I mean, I imagine Shintoism still has real influences on modern Japanese culture, and last time I checked, Japan was a pretty peaceful and prosperous place. It ain’t 1941 anymore.

I suspect he doesn’t know what a Shinto actually is. I mean these are the same people who flip their shit over word “Allah”.

395 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:33:40am

re: #392 calochortus

Disclaimer: I don’t have cable so my direct knowledge of these folks is nil.

I have, however, seen comments lately about Duck Dynasty’s popularity possibly peaking and that they are oversaturating the market with their branded ‘stuff’. Suddenly conservatives want to support these fine, upstanding folks. Coincidence? Maybe.

These guys got a marketing and PR team behind them, it is all calculated. Free publicity from Bryan Fischer.

396 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:34:25am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

I suspect he doesn’t know what a Shinto actually is. I mean these are the same people who flip their shit over word “Allah”.

It might be something handed down from a father or grandfather. I know a real hick dude in California who’s hella racist against Japanese people and talks about how in Shinto they think even rocks have souls and stuff like that, but he got most of his bullshit anti-Japanese racism from his WWII veteran (POW) dad, and the rest he filled in from Crichton and Cussler.

397 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:36:07am

re: #308 calochortus

IIRC, Irish orphans and the like were kidnapped off the streets of Ireland to send to the sugar plantations in the Caribbean (not the US.) They were treated abominably-just like the African slaves. No better, no worse, although they probably died in slightly higher numbers due to a lack of resistance to tropical diseases.

Flogging Molly — Tobacco Island

Youtube Video

BTW. Dave King (Front man for Flogging Molly) is proof that there is at least one ginger with soul.


RBS

398 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:36:13am

re: #396 Uncle Obdicut

It might be something handed down from a father or grandfather. I know a real hick dude in California who’s hella racist against Japanese people and talks about how in Shinto they think even rocks have souls and stuff like that, but he got most of his bullshit anti-Japanese racism from his WWII veteran (POW) dad, and the rest he filled in from Crichton and Cussler.

Ah okay that does make sense. Just weird seeing that sandwiched between your usual breads of homophobia and anti-Islam.

399 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:36:53am

re: #397 RealityBasedSteve

Flogging Molly — Tobacco Island

[Embedded content]

BTW. Dave King (Front man for Flogging Molly) is proof that there is at least one ginger with soul.

RBS

Updinging for Flogging Molly.

400 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:38:12am

re: #396 Uncle Obdicut

It might be something handed down from a father or grandfather. I know a real hick dude in California who’s hella racist against Japanese people and talks about how in Shinto they think even rocks have souls and stuff like that, but he got most of his bullshit anti-Japanese racism from his WWII veteran (POW) dad, and the rest he filled in from Crichton and Cussler.

Maybe he should do an extended winter camping trip up in the Owens Valley and live in a tar paper shack.
/

401 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:38:28am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Ah okay that does make sense. Just weird seeing that sandwiched between your usual breads of homophobia and anti-Islam.

Maybe Robertson has relatives who fought at Iwo Jima or something.

You’re right, though. The Japanese tend to be a lot lower on the “foreign boogeyman” totem pole of the right these days than ever, certainly compared with Communists, Nazis, or Muslims.

402 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:41:41am

re: #401 Ian G.

Maybe Robertson has relatives who fought at Iwo Jima or something.

You’re right, though. The Japanese tend to be a lot lower on the “foreign boogeyman” totem pole of the right these days than ever, certainly compared with Communists, Nazis, or Muslims.

Yeah I hadn’t thought about that until Obdi brought it up. But yeah, it’s just ou usually hear from them about Muslims, Gays, Hispanics, etc. Got to love how Fischer is focusing only on the anti-gay part of his slur and ignoring the anti-Muslim and Japanese part and claiming that “Big Gay” is out to get him IF Robertson doesn’t want to have his products boycotted, I think it’s pretty simple, you don’t go out of your way to be a bigoted douche if you don’t want that but I suspect that he planned his words carefully knowing that right wing assholes like Fischer would bite.

403 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:42:01am

re: #396 Uncle Obdicut

It might be something handed down from a father or grandfather. I know a real hick dude in California who’s hella racist against Japanese people and talks about how in Shinto they think even rocks have souls and stuff like that, but he got most of his bullshit anti-Japanese racism from his WWII veteran (POW) dad, and the rest he filled in from Crichton and Cussler.

Well, in that case the son is a fool but the father can be forgiven (and thus some understanding extended to the son) for the anger towards Japan was born of real wrongs inflicted and not just butthurt.

But the father was, and the son still is, a bigot.


Nuance doesn’t come easy for me, so I hope I got it right.

404 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:42:57am
405 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:44:05am

re: #401 Ian G.

Maybe Robertson has relatives who fought at Iwo Jima or something.

You’re right, though. The Japanese tend to be a lot lower on the “foreign boogeyman” totem pole of the right these days than ever, certainly compared with Communists, Nazis, or Muslims.

It’s likely just a product of age. My mother was born in 1936. She was a kid during WW2 and as far as I know she wasn’t close to anyone who actually fought in the war. To this day she carries some of those same prejudices. She’s not open about it, especially since one of her cousins married a Japanese girl when he was stationed in Okinawa in the Army, but she still lets it out in subtle ways. Japanese and German cars bad, American cars good. Japanese food weird, American food good. Etc.

406 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:46:37am
407 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:48:04am

re: #406 Kragar

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Way to make men everywhere look like assholes, douchebags but let me guess, you’re all “nice guys” who are tired of “women always getting their way.”

408 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:49:42am

re: #406 Kragar

They sound just like the same “wonderful” dudebros who put up the “revenge porn” sites.

409 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:50:08am

re: #406 Kragar

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Rape is “men’s rights”?

“Men’s Rights” sounds about as accurate a description as “committee of public safety” during revolution-era France.

410 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:50:10am

re: #406 Kragar

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I hate to say it, but the annonymous reporting system, although well-intentioned, is all but inviting this sort of abuse.

411 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:51:55am

Duck Dynasty factoids:

Phil has a master’s degree in education from Louisiana Tech. He actually taught for several years.
His son, Willie, has a business degree from Harding University.

The entire family is Church of Christ (which explains a lot about the Robertson family dynamics, if you’re familiar with that denomination).

412 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:52:13am

re: #406 Kragar

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Such an action can only be called ‘pro-rape’.

413 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:52:31am

re: #409 Ian G.

Rape is “men’s rights”?

“Men’s Rights” sounds about as accurate a description as “committee of public safety” during revolution-era France.

I liken them to “white rights” activists. As I recall, David DUke has or had an organization called the NAAWP- National Association for the Advancement of White People. The whole “men’s rights” movement is a bunch of whiny douchebags who can’t handle 2013 America where a woman doesn’t have to be submissive to a man nor does she have to rush into marriage.

414 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:52:55am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Duck Dynasty factoids:

Phil has a master’s degree in education from Louisiana Tech. He actually taught for several years.
His son, Willie, has a business degree from Harding University.

The entire family is Church of Christ (which explains a lot about the Robertson family dynamics, if you’re familiar with that denomination).

Please explain.

415 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:53:38am

Posted without irony by a “Constitutional conservative” friend of mine on FB:

416 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:54:45am

re: #415 Lidane

The NSA’s task is to maintain national security. I may have some issues about their methods and accountability, but I do not see them as an Orwellian kraken out to ensnare us all.

417 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:54:55am

re: #415 Lidane

Posted without irony by a “Constitutional conservative” friend of mine on FB:

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I am sure he was totally worried about the NSA’s constitutionality during the Bush years. The way dummies like this tell the story, you’d think Barack Obama came up with the NSA and sadly I have seen that some people acutally believe that.

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:55:03am

re: #415 Lidane

Posted without irony by a “Constitutional conservative” friend of mine on FB:

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LOL “Russia Today”

Wingnuts love it!

419 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:55:43am

re: #409 Ian G.

“Men’s Rights” sounds about as accurate a description as “committee of public safety” during revolution-era France.

“Men’s Rights Activists” are arguing for the right of men to be date rapists, pretty much. You know, because women over-report rape and they also clearly owe a man sex after he takes them out to dinner.

420 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:55:50am

talkingpointsmemo.com
Big Tanning helps Big Orange out.

421 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:56:05am

Do I have to listen to that song? I HATE IT.

422 Dave In Austin  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:58:23am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Duck Dynasty factoids:

Phil has a master’s degree in education from Louisiana Tech. He actually taught for several years.
His son, Willie, has a business degree from Harding University.

The entire family is Church of Christ (which explains a lot about the Robertson family dynamics, if you’re familiar with that denomination).

F*cking Elites…… I knew it.

423 palomino  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:59:43am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

So a doctor who’s black is automatically congressional material? That’s really enough? Why?

424 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:00:01am

re: #405 Lidane

It’s likely just a product of age. My mother was born in 1936. She was a kid during WW2 and as far as I know she wasn’t close to anyone who actually fought in the war. To this day she carries some of those same prejudices. She’s not open about it, especially since one of her cousins married a Japanese girl when he was stationed in Okinawa in the Army, but she still lets it out in subtle ways. Japanese and German cars bad, American cars good. Japanese food weird, American food good. Etc.

On the other hand, my late father was a WWII vet, a Navy vet/pilot who indeed fought against the Japanese, and never in my life did I hear him express anti-Japanese sentiment. Indeed, though he was a Ford owner for many years, the last three vehicles he owned were Japanese. He loved the quality and durability.

425 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:00:02am

IF YOU CAN’T TRUST RUSSIA TODAY THEN WHO CAN YOU TRUST?
IF YOU CAN’T TRUST RUSSIA TODAY THEN WHO CAN YOU TRUST?

426 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:00:44am

re: #422 Dave In Austin

F*cking Elites…… I knew it.

I believe the word you are looking for is snobs.

427 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:01:14am

Tea Party Patriot arrested for swapping child porn using ‘h*rnypastor’ email account

A 46-year-old Michigan member of the group Tea Party Patriots was named Tuesday in a criminal complaint on charges of distributing and receiving illicit photos and video of children. According to The Smoking Gun, Brian Schwanke is accused of using the email account “h*rnypastor@outlook.com” to send and receive hundreds of provocative images of underage children.

TSG detailed how as recently as last week, Schwanke was ranting on his Facebook page about President Barack Obama’s behavior during a portion of the funeral for South Africa’s Nelson Mandela.

The image of Obama posing for a “selfie” next to the Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt seemed to particularly rile Schwanke.

“What a classy president we have,” he wrote. “His wife has to sit between him to make ‘lil Barry’ behave.”

Schwanke’s profile — which has now been either deleted or made private — proclaimed that the U.S. “WAS founded on a CHRISTIAN foundation, and the progressive, atheist left is running us into the ground to create a Socialist country that will fall like all the others.”

428 Dave In Austin  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:01:14am

Colorado……..

Image: trimmers.JPG

429 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:01:42am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree: He’s both an accomplished doctor and he’s African-American. Those two facts are reason enough to support him if he can win.

He’s another member of the same irrational lunatic fringe that’s destroying the Republican party and you want him in office? WTF.

430 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:02:20am

re: #424 Dr Lizardo

On the other hand, my late father was a WWII vet, a Navy vet/pilot who indeed fought against the Japanese, and never in my life did I hear him express anti-Japanese sentiment. Indeed, though he was a Ford owner for many years, the last three vehicles he owned were Japanese. He loved the quality and durability.

It’s interesting. I never heard my grandfather speak poorly of the Koreans though granted in Korea, we were helping one set of Koreans and opposing another. Still surprising since my grandfather (RIP) had some other prejudices.

431 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:02:54am

re: #423 palomino

So a doctor who’s black is automatically congressional material? That’s really enough? Why?

I stated earlier that I have to begrudingly agree with DF on this - but only in its most restrictive sense - the job of a political party is to field candidates who can win elections.

432 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:03:49am

re: #427 Kragar

Tea Party Patriot arrested for swapping child porn using ‘h*rnypastor’ email account

You have no idea how much I’d like to see this as a top story on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. Reported on extensively, with interviews, etc.

433 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:04:25am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

Please explain.

They believe that Jesus established only ONE church, and they are that church (thus the name “Church of Christ” and the related “Disciples of Christ”), but congregations can pick and choose which parts of the New Testament are inerrant, and which parts are just suggestions. Old Testament is viewed as background information.
Some congregations (at least in my area) say women should be quiet in church and submit to their husband/father/menfolk in life.
It gets very confusing sorting them out because each congregation is different.

434 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:04:49am

re: #431 Sol Berdinowitz

I stated earlier that I have to begrudingly agree with DF on this - but only in its most restrictive sense - the job of a political party is to field candidates who can win elections.

I don’t see Carson winning anywhere. I believe he lives in or near Baltimore since he teaches at Johns Hopkins. Marylanders (proud home state of Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman both) aren’t going want to hear some asshole cheapen slavery’s evils by saying ACA is as bad as it. Carson may be a brilliant brain surgeon but he’s dumb as a stump when it comes to politics.

435 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:06:05am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

It’s interesting. I never heard my grandfather speak poorly of the Koreans though granted in Korea, we were helping one set of Koreans and opposing another. Still surprising since my grandfather (RIP) had some other prejudices.

My dad had the occasional prejudices, though they mellowed as he got older. He was prejudiced against African-Americans, until I started dating/living with an African-American woman - he really liked her, and after her and I broke up, he would occasionally chide me on that, saying “Why’d you let her get away? She was a keeper.”

436 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:06:38am

re: #427 Kragar

Tea Party Patriot arrested for swapping child porn using ‘h*rnypastor’ email account

You know that if this guy (& Ryan Loskarn) were Democrats, the wingnuts would be all HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBRULZ!!!!!!!!

437 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:06:41am

Classy headline… No objectification of women there at all… nope… nothing to see.

438 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:10:01am

re: #410 Sol Berdinowitz

I hate to say it, but the annonymous reporting system, although well-intentioned, is all but inviting this sort of abuse.

From the article:

“It’s one thing to criticize an anonymous reporting system because of its potential for abuse; this is something else entirely,” Man Boobz’s David Futrelle wrote. “The moderators of Men’s Rights have done nothing to stop their subreddit being used to interfere with a school’s attempt to assist rape survivors — including men.”

“‘Breaking’ a school’s rape reporting mechanism is apparently a form of Men’s Rights activism.”

439 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:10:02am

re: #431 Sol Berdinowitz

I stated earlier that I have to begrudingly agree with DF on this - but only in its most restrictive sense - the job of a political party is to field candidates who can win elections.

Was listening to NPR on my way in this morning, had a good piece on how the primary system results in candidates at the extreme edges of the spectrum getting nominations. The key idea was that political PARTIES don’t vote in primaries, political ACTIVISTS do, and they tend to the extreme edges. The PARTIES definition of victory is to elect their candidate. The ACTIVISTS view of victory is to move the party toward their perspective.

RBS

440 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:29:16am

re: #100 Political Atheist

How does underpaying an employee trigger a strip search?

BBL

Typically goes like this:

Someone is arrested and they really piss off the arresting officers.

So the arresting officers retaliate by telling the precinct booking officer, “oh by the way, this person is an asshole.”

The designated asshole will get strip searched, finger waved and placed in a holding cell with the more unpleasant detainees.

441 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:39:15am

re: #385 Lord of the Pies

If owning a gun is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, shouldn’t the Federal Government provide free guns to people who can’t afford to buy them? GUNFARE!!!!

Obamagunz.

Now that would send many in a tizzy.

442 makeitstop  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:44:49am

re: #437 lawhawk

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Classy headline… No objectification of women there at all… nope… nothing to see.

Both the TwitPic and web page seem to be gone now.

443 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:45:54am

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

Duck Dynasty factoids:

Phil has a master’s degree in education from Louisiana Tech. He actually taught for several years.
His son, Willie, has a business degree from Harding University.

The entire family is Church of Christ (which explains a lot about the Robertson family dynamics, if you’re familiar with that denomination).

So, in other Santorum words…a bunch of snobs!

I wonder if all their fans know it?

/

444 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:46:36am

re: #198 Decatur Deb

We’d be better off if NSA had checked their hiring list twice.

Private contractors like Booz Allen working for government intelligence agencies are more efficient and cost effective than government employees.
//

445 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:55:05am

re: #381 Ian G.

Or that there are a lot of strong regulations on operating a car, and violating such regulations can result in forfeiture of the right to operate a car, or jail, etc.

Of course, any proposed regulation on guns that would come remotely close to the regulations put on motor vehicles would have the NRA calling for armed rebellion.

And my car is registered and licensed. It must be inspected once a year to insure it is safe for public. I had to take tests to get the license to drive the car. I have to carry insurance on the car. Maybe that is how it should be to be a gun owner?

446 geoffm33  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:58:26am

re: #425 b.d.

IF YOU CAN’T TRUST RUSSIA TODAY THEN WHO CAN YOU TRUST?
IF YOU CAN’T TRUST RUSSIA TODAY THEN WHO CAN YOU TRUST?

Charles: Can you create a tag for the convergence of dudebro/wingnut that will alternate the font colors between dudebro and wingnut for every other character? Can easily do in javascript or PHP but the overhead may not be worth it…Or might be :)

447 bmiller11757  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:34:24pm

re: #111 darthstar

awesome


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