NSA Colleague Describes Life With Snowden: ‘A Genius’ Who Wore EFF Anti-NSA Hoodies to Work

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Snowden had been brought to Hawaii as a cybersecurity expert working for Dell’s services division but due to a problem with the contract was reassigned to become an administrator for the Microsoft intranet management system known as Sharepoint. Impressed with his technical abilities, Snowden’s managers decided that he was the most qualified candidate to build a new web front-end for one of its projects, despite his contractor status. As his coworker tells it, he was given full administrator privileges, with virtually unlimited access to NSA data. “Big mistake in hindsight,” says Snowden’s former colleague. “But if you had a guy who could do things nobody else could, and the only problem was that his badge was green instead of blue, what would you do?”

Snowden’s superiors were so impressed with his skills that he was at one point offered a position on the elite team of NSA hackers known as Tailored Access Operations. He unexpectedly turned it down and instead joined Booz Allen to work at NSA’s Threat Operation Center. Another hint of his whistleblower conscience, aside from the telltale hoodie: Snowden kept a copy of the constitution on his desk to cite when arguing against NSA activities he thought might violate it.

Emphasis mine.

And those things aren’t hints “about his whistleblower conscience,” they’re hints that he’s a gigantic security risk.

More: NSA Colleague Describes Life With Snowden: ‘A Genius’ Who Wore EFF Anti-NSA Hoodies to Work - Boing Boing

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110 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:10:44am

“Edward Snowden is just the most wonderful, caring, smart, friendly person I know! Everyone should be like him!”

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:13:31am

I have Sharepoint, web development, and systems admin skills, 25 years of industry experience, AND a degree in Math/CS.

How come I’m not making 6 figures?

(Not a privileged dudebro)

3 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:19:06am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

INORITE?

4 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:19:36am

re: #2 Lord of the Pies

I have Sharepoint, web development, and systems admin skills, 25 years of industry experience, AND a degree in Math/CS.

How come I’m not making 6 figures?

(Not a privileged dudebro)

QFT.

5 jvic  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:44:12am

In my experience, STEM people tend to defer to those with superior skill sets in ways that go well beyond technical matters. It’s a deficiency in STEM culture, and it’s not confined to STEM.

6 BusyMonster  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:46:31am

So in addition to having possibly stolen my personal information and sold it to the Russian government, he’s one heckofa guy?

Good to know. Also, wow would I like to cram his copy of the constitution up his ass.

7 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 10:58:10am

At the risk of being called a Snowden apologist, I don’t think having a copy of the U.S. Constitution should be viewed as a “red flag”.

8 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:04:31am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

I was talking more about the EFF hoodie and unexpectedly turning down a slot on the Tailored Access Operations team.

My bad.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:06:20am

Promoted!

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:07:03am

Guy sounds more and more like a douche with an agenda from the start and less disillusioned idealist.

11 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:08:29am
“But if you had a guy who could do things nobody else could, and the only problem was that his badge was green instead of blue, what would you do?”

You would go thru proper channels and make him come on board thru normal channels, not hand him the fucking keys to the kingdom.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:10:02am

re: #7 Ace-o-aces

At the risk of being called a Snowden apologist, I don’t think having a copy of the U.S. Constitution should be viewed as a “red flag”.

Not a “red flag” as such, but another thing to be considered when doing a security risk assessment.

13 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:10:30am

re: #5 jvic

In my experience, STEM people tend to defer to those with superior skill sets in ways that go well beyond technical matters. It’s a deficiency in STEM culture, and it’s not confined to STEM.

But his “superior skill set” was in “social engineering.”

14 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:10:59am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

“Edward Snowden is just the most wonderful, caring, smart, friendly person I know! Everyone should be like him!”

Raymond Shaw Edward Snowden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

Tip ‘o to the hat to “The Manchurian Candidate”.

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:11:15am

re: #11 Kragar

You would go thru proper channels and make him come on board thru normal channels, not hand him the fucking keys to the kingdom.

But that takes time, resources, and is smart. None of which it seems that these morons had in an abundance.

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:12:37am

Snowden did not have any “superior skills” in fact his resume sucked. But he was skilled at making others THINK that he had MOAR AWESOME SKILLZ than he really did.

A con artist and scammer extraordinaire.

17 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:12:47am

Yep, Snowden is one of the smartest guys confined to Moscow that there is.

//


Moscow, Russia

Right Now:

32°F
Light Snow
Feels like 21°

18 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:12:48am

re: #2 Lord of the Pies

I have Sharepoint, web development, and systems admin skills, 25 years of industry experience, AND a degree in Math/CS.

How come I’m not making 6 figures?

(Not a privileged dudebro)

You would if you were in California…but you’d also have to pay $700k for a modest house. Six figures don’t feel so awesome then.

19 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:12:50am

Snowjob is neither a whistleblower or a hacker.

20 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:14:46am

F*cking thief

21 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:15:34am

man, the adoration for a guy who violated the espionage act, claimjumped people’s passwords for data access and people are still fellating him. I just cannot grok how in the hell this works. I guess guys who fly our stealth bombers to foreign countries and deposit them with the Chinese are now humanitarians looking to even the playing field for all mankind?

22 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:15:35am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Thanks, Charles!

23 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:17:13am

Still waiting for the 1st story from those million documents that bust China’s or Russia’s chops on anything.

24 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:17:46am

Snowden gained access to documents above his classification level. He engaged in espionage based on scamming people out of their passwords and by abusing his administrator status. These are acts that are neither heroic nor laudatory.

They are the sign of someone who came in with an agenda and then took whatever actions were necessary to carry out that agenda - which includes getting their hands on as many classified documents as possible.

Being a Sharepoint administrator would certainly do that. You’d be able to access anyone’s documents, browsing, renaming, and editing all kinds of document information, etc. It’s a position that requires a tremendous amount of responsibility, and he abused it at every opportunity.

25 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:18:10am

re: #16 Lord of the Pies

Snowden did not have any “superior skills” in fact his resume sucked.

And, IIRC, about half of it was simply lies.

Wasn’t there a Page about him counseling people on Ars Technica about how to plump up a resume?

26 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:18:57am
27 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:19:49am

There’s the location that all the bands with neat names can play at - The Venomous Grandstand.

28 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:19:51am

re: #24 lawhawk

Snowden gained access to documents above his classification level. He engaged in espionage based on scamming people out of their passwords and by abusing his administrator status. These are acts that are neither heroic nor laudatory.

They are the sign of someone who came in with an agenda and then took whatever actions were necessary to carry out that agenda - which includes getting their hands on as many classified documents as possible.

Being a Sharepoint administrator would certainly do that. You’d be able to access anyone’s documents, browsing, renaming, and editing all kinds of document information, etc. It’s a position that requires a tremendous amount of responsibility, and he abused it at every opportunity.

From the sounds of it, his employers owned themselves up to that abuse. Whether it was because he was just a swell guy or because he was able to impress tech-illiterate superiors, he managed to make them grant him an exception and for that they should have all been shit-canned.

29 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:21:29am

re: #28 Targetpractice

ding ding ding!

if anything else that we’ve learned from this incident, it’s that it is damned unwise to privatize and outsource security/intelligence functions.

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:21:30am

re: #25 chadu

And, IIRC, about half of it was simply lies.

Wasn’t there a Page about him counseling people on Ars Technica about how to plump up a resume?

How to explain that lack of a degree: Just say “I’m taking classes at [name of college]” even if you’re not, because they (the job interviewers) can’t check current enrollment, whereas if you actually do have a degree they can ask for transcripts.

31 HoosierHoops  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:21:54am

re: #2 Lord of the Pies

I have Sharepoint, web development, and systems admin skills, 25 years of industry experience, AND a degree in Math/CS.

How come I’m not making 6 figures?

(Not a privileged dudebro)

What? You are working for the wrong company…There is no privilege involved.
Hi You!

32 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:22:20am

re: #8 chadu

I was talking more about the EFF hoodie and unexpectedly turning down a slot on the Tailored Access Operations team.

Like the Forbes article said, the hoodie was probably viewed as an “ironic” choice.

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:22:41am

“Use what minimal technical skills that you do have to impress management types who are usually not tech savvy.”

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:23:00am

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:24:13am

re: #33 Lord of the Pies

“Use what minimal technical skills that you do have to impress management types who are usually not tech savvy.”

“I know tech stuff! I can install Windows 7!”

//

36 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:24:15am

A whistleblower would have made copies and sent them to Congressmen, Senators, and other elected officials, as well as numerous press sources, then stood his ground to defend his case.

A thief would take the data, send it to a secure site, then flee the country and use the data for leverage.

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:25:33am

re: #36 Kragar

A whistleblower would have made copies and sent them to Congressmen, Senators, and other elected officials, as well as numerous press sources, then stood his ground to defend his case.

A thief would take the data, send it to a secure site, then flee the country and use the data for leverage.

Right, and that’s why it’s absurd for people to compare him to past actual whistleblowers. A whistleblower certainly would not have fled first to the PRC and then Russia if he really had sincere privacy concerns.

38 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:26:52am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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Slow Clap! That’s the problem, when the public face of the position is viewed as a self serving attention whore it tends to color the entire debate. I can have concerns (and do) about wholesale data gathering, but at the same time I’m not thinking that there is a drone coming for me. GG is doing more to discourage intelligent discussion on this by being a one man cult of personality.

RBS.
Who has tickets to see “Charles and the Slapdick Reprobates” at The Venomous Grandstand.

39 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:29:54am
40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:31:52am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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Awesomeness.

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:32:08am

Sharepoint guy here at work (a contractor) is amused by that Boing Boing article and is wondering why he hasn’t been given full admin privileges across the entire network now.

42 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:32:13am
43 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:32:48am
44 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:36:08am

45 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:39:45am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’d go with pompous grandstanding, but venomous grandstanding is a much better band name.

46 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:41:25am
47 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:44:05am

Federal Reserve Chair Ben Bernanke: ‘The committee is determined to avoid inflation that is too low’

that’s why i BOUGHT GOLD to avoid the massive inflation that is sure to happen before the end of [type your year here] because the socialist obama regime is PRINTING MONEY

48 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:44:17am

Taken a few years ago - the shot I didn’t get was much better - I was creeping round to get a shot down the frozen lake as a background but the little feathery bastard flew away!

49 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:45:47am

re: #36 Kragar

A whistleblower would have made copies and sent them to Congressmen, Senators, and other elected officials, as well as numerous press sources, then stood his ground to defend his case.

A thief would take the data, send it to a secure site, then flee the country and use the data for leverage.

Emphatically correct.

Note that they also would not have dumped 1.7 million documents on any of these folks, because there’s absolutely no fucking way to possibly review that much information to any useful or meaningful degree whatsoever, and I struggle mightily to think what point those 1.7M could convey that, say, five hundred could not.

Indiscriminate broadcast can never be interpreted to have a careful and discriminate purpose. It’s contrary to that; orthogonal to such an alleged goal. “Arbitrary harm” and “chaos” do not qualify as “careful and discriminate” purposes.

50 Ming  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:46:46am

re: #24 lawhawk

Snowden gained access to documents above his classification level. He engaged in espionage based on scamming people out of their passwords and by abusing his administrator status. These are acts that are neither heroic nor laudatory.

They are the sign of someone who came in with an agenda and then took whatever actions were necessary to carry out that agenda - which includes getting their hands on as many classified documents as possible.

Being a Sharepoint administrator would certainly do that. You’d be able to access anyone’s documents, browsing, renaming, and editing all kinds of document information, etc. It’s a position that requires a tremendous amount of responsibility, and he abused it at every opportunity.

I agree with everything you say; I’m just astonished that being an NSA intranet administrator means you have “virtually unlimited access to NSA data.” I didn’t expect important documents to be accessible via any website, internet or intranet.

I assumed, and apparently I was incorrect, that if you want to see a super-secret classified document, the NSA makes you go through some old-fashioned, manual procedure. Like, for example, showing your ID and signing your name.

Please tell me they at least use https.

51 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:47:07am

Jonah Goldberg wonders when the insurance companies will revolt.

Articulating my sympathy for the insurance companies is difficult without the accompaniment of the world’s smallest violin. But, still, I have to wonder, do those running these firms have no backbone whatsoever? I understand that the insurance companies have been consolidating into de facto utilities for decades. But they at least once mustered some passion for defending their status as private enterprises. Sure, they have obligations to shareholders, but their obligations do not end there. Can’t one of them resign on principle and speak up? Or are their mouths so stuffed with gold that they couldn’t get the words out even if they tried?

sob!!

52 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:47:21am

re: #49 erik_t

Emphatically correct.

Note that they also would not have dumped 1.7 million documents on any of these folks, because there’s absolutely no fucking way to possibly review that much information to any useful or meaningful degree whatsoever, and I struggle mightily to think what point those 1.7M could convey that, say, five hundred could not.

Indiscriminate broadcast can never be interpreted to have a careful and discriminate purpose. It’s contrary to that; orthogonal to such an alleged goal. “Arbitrary harm” and “chaos” do not qualify as “careful and discriminate” purposes.

per Rachael Maddow, if these two stalwarts of privacy and liberty had wanted, all they had to do was get those docs to Darrell Issa, who would have then faxed the entire kit and kaboodle over to CNN for dissemination.

53 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:48:21am

re: #50 Ming

I agree with everything you say; I’m just astonished that being an NSA intranet administrator means you have “virtually unlimited access to NSA data.” I didn’t expect important documents to be accessible via any website, internet or intranet.

Please tell me they at least use https.

This would, I am almost certain, all be over SIPRNET or an equivalent, which is (to my understanding) 100% physically airgapped from any public/open network.

54 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:50:12am
55 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:50:37am

re: #54 Lidane

Anyone have a spare pair of pants?

Um… no reason.

56 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:51:18am

re: #47 dog philosopher

Hyperinflation is out of control and killing us were Zimbabwe Greece already.

57 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:52:13am
58 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:52:33am

re: #56 Bulworth

Hyperinflation is out of control and killing us were Zimbabwe Greece already.

I use regular lithium greece on my zimbabwes. That special greese is a ripoff.

RBS

59 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:54:05am

re: #36 Kragar

A whistleblower would have made copies and sent them to Congressmen, Senators, and other elected officials, as well as numerous press sources, then stood his ground to defend his case.

A thief would take the data, send it to a secure site, then flee the country and use the data for leverage.

THIS. SO MUCH.

He’s not a whistleblower. A REAL whistleblower would’ve exposed what the NSA was doing here in the States and done so from American soil. There are no shortage of Congresscritters that would’ve loved to have anything to hammer Obama with.

Snowden stole all those documents and ran. Now he’s bartering for amnesty from the highest bidder. Some hero. =P

60 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:54:32am

re: #54 Lidane

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Part of my brain is going “it’s not really like that, a wide angle lens causes that kind of distortion / perspective” while 99% of my brain is going “OMG!!! We’re going to fall and DIE!!!!”

RBS

61 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:57:25am

re: #53 erik_t

This would, I am almost certain, all be over SIPRNET or an equivalent, which is (to my understanding) 100% physically airgapped from any public/open network.

I may be mistaken, but wasn’t one of the reasons that Manning was able to get so much data (and that was a low-level individual) is that due to operational requirements / contingencies (IE. I’m too lazy) the systems do get interlocked, despite not ever supposed to be touching in design?


RBS

62 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:57:41am

re: #54 Lidane

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nice gams!

63 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:57:50am

re: #51 dog philosopher

“Won’t somebody please think of the children insurance companies!”

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:58:34am

re: #62 dog philosopher

nice gams!

The kneecap looks could be a lethal weapon.

65 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:59:10am

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

“Won’t somebody please think of the children insurance companies!”

because legally, isn’t a small insurance company the same thing as a young child?

RBS

66 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 11:59:17am

re: #54 Lidane

First thought.

Nice legs.

Second thought.

Where’s the snow.

/priorities

67 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:00:34pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

Jonah Goldberg wonders when the insurance companies will revolt.

68 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:00:42pm

snowden

i’m not an sa, so it’s a little out of my field, but among software engineers i’ve never met anybody who could “do things nobody else could do”

69 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:01:22pm

HURR HURR ALL TEH CONSERVATIVES ALWAYS HAS TEH JRRBZ BUT ALL TEH LIBRULS IS ALWAYS ALL UNEMPLOYED AN TAKIN TEH WELFARES HURR HURR

70 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:01:33pm

re: #65 RealityBasedSteve

because legally, isn’t a small insurance company the same thing as a young child?

Actually, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Goldberg exhibit that much sympathy for an actual human being.

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:04:05pm

WTFITS

72 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:04:43pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

The insurance companies wont revolt because they’re getting paid handsomely to do these exchanges.

They set the rates (after approval by state insurance officials), and the premiums are listed. The insurance company gets paid the full cost of that premium - the insured pays a portion (or all if no subsidy) and the government pays the subsidy if the person is entitled to a subsidy.

Insurance companies will play all kind of games to maximize their profits and limit their exposure, including limiting their in-network networks (doctors/hospitals), or other actions that are within the law, but that’s something they’ve been doing all along.

Insurers were heavily involved in the development of the ACA. They benefit from a working exchange - and that includes fixing a whole bunch of legacy issues on their end - lots of legacy systems that have to be updated to current systems, etc.

73 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:04:50pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

74 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:05:50pm

re: #73 Lidane

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Just what Baby Jesus wants!

75 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:05:53pm
76 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:06:55pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

Copernicus and Galileo could not be reached for comment.

77 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:07:33pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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Mr. Erickson, a Mr. Galilei on line one.

78 Mike Lamb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:09:20pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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By having completely assinine, backwards views on natural processes that require real scientists to disprove?

79 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:10:03pm

re: #61 RealityBasedSteve

I may be mistaken, but wasn’t one of the reasons that Manning was able to get so much data (and that was a low-level individual) is that due to operational requirements / contingencies (IE. I’m too lazy) the systems do get interlocked, despite not ever supposed to be touching in design?

RBS

I think you are mistaken. Manning had at least Secret clearance, and so access to SIPRNET (in general) would have been wholly within usage guidelines.

80 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:10:45pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

WTFITS

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What a fucking moron.

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:11:41pm

re: #72 lawhawk

The insurance companies wont revolt because they’re getting paid handsomely to do these exchanges.

They set the rates (after approval by state insurance officials), and the premiums are listed. The insurance company gets paid the full cost of that premium - the insured pays a portion (or all if no subsidy) and the government pays the subsidy if the person is entitled to a subsidy.

Insurance companies will play all kind of games to maximize their profits and limit their exposure, including limiting their in-network networks (doctors/hospitals), or other actions that are within the law, but that’s something they’ve been doing all along.

Insurers were heavily involved in the development of the ACA. They benefit from a working exchange - and that includes fixing a whole bunch of legacy issues on their end - lots of legacy systems that have to be updated to current systems, etc.

Personally, I don’t know which is funnier, that the same practices which sparked off a demand for health care reform are now held up as failure of that reform…or that the companies who helped tailor the reform to their desires are supposed to be rebelling against it.

82 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:15:27pm

re: #79 erik_t

I think you are mistaken. Manning had at least Secret clearance, and so access to SIPRNET (in general) would have been wholly within usage guidelines.

Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been wrong :-) . I know that a minimum of a Secret is required for an intel analyst slot, but in the back of my mind it seems that there were issues with non-secure computers being attached to the secure network. I’ll try and track that down, like I said, I may have mis-remembered. In any case, thanks for helping keep me honest.

RBS

83 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:15:38pm

re: #79 erik_t

I think you are mistaken. Manning had at least Secret clearance, and so access to SIPRNET (in general) would have been wholly within usage guidelines.

Most SIPR access requires more than just secret clearance, and it still operates on a “Need to know.”

Technically, I could have SIPR access right now, but I don’t need it as part of my job, so I don’t have an account.

84 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:15:59pm
85 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:17:40pm

re: #71 Lord of the Pies

Algorithm
Algebra

86 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:17:42pm

re: #83 Kragar

Most SIPR access requires more than just secret clearance, and it still operates on a “Need to know.”

Technically, I could have SIPR access right now, but I don’t need it as part of my job, so I don’t have an account.

Yes, but that’s a failing of usage policies and user permission controls within SIPRNET, not a failing of the external protection measures of the network as a whole.

I guess you could argue that we don’t know for sure that Manning’s job required network access, but I think it’s pretty plausible that it did.

87 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:18:28pm

re: #83 Kragar

Most SIPR access requires more than just secret clearance, and it still operates on a “Need to know.”

Technically, I could have SIPR access right now, but I don’t need it as part of my job, so I don’t have an account.

Exactly… what we’ve talked about in the past, a Clearance simply grants you the potential for access, you have to have a “Need To Know” to be granted access. You have one, but not the other.

RBS
Principal of minimum permissions, it’s a great idea (for others)

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:19:29pm

HURR HURR

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:19:57pm

re: #84 Lidane

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I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that openly stating an intent to divulge national secrets bars one from obtaining a security clearance.

90 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:19:58pm

re: #30 Lord of the Pies

How to explain that lack of a degree: Just say “I’m taking classes at [name of college]” even if you’re not, because they (the job interviewers) can’t check current enrollment, whereas if you actually do have a degree they can ask for transcripts.

Right. That was it.

91 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:20:31pm

re: #88 Lord of the Pies

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:20:42pm

re: #85 Stoatly

Algorithm
Algebra

Isn’t “AlGoreithm” the belief that one is key to the development of the Internet?

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:21:29pm

Why is this baby so happy? SHE GOT VACCINATED TODAY.

94 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:23:19pm

Frankly, anyone who really really wants a security clearance just to have it should, in a perfect world, probably be denied one. It’s a lot of scary responsibility with no real intrinsic upside except for being a job prerequisite for many positions.

95 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:23:22pm

re: #93 Lord of the Pies

Why is this baby so happy? SHE GOT VACCINATED TODAY.
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“I’M SO HIGH RIGHT NOW!”

96 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:23:49pm

Where I grew up

97 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:24:07pm
98 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:25:14pm

re: #96 Stoatly

Indoors, I hope. Looks cold (but really beautiful!)

99 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:25:44pm

re: #93 Lord of the Pies

Why is this baby so happy? SHE GOT VACCINATED TODAY.
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And in doing so will contribute to the group immunity that will provide free support to those who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and be vaccinated, thereby relying on others to provide for them.

GOOD BABY!!!!

RBS

100 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:26:13pm

re: #97 Kragar

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I think they know what makes ‘em crazy, ‘cause they keep doing it.

101 chadu  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:26:16pm

re: #97 Kragar

All the updings.

102 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:27:59pm

re: #97 Kragar

Dear Conservatives: Please note you have no fucking clue about what Liberals think or makes them happy, sad, mad, or crazy

i regret that i have only one upding to give for & etc

103 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:29:17pm

re: #88 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR

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To paraphrase Humphrey Bogart, “I suppose I’d be unhappy if I ever gave you any thought.”

104 Ian G.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

I’m glad teens can discern the difference between the legitimate science that suggests how bad cigarettes are, and the bullshit surrounding marijuana. Maybe there’s hope yet for the scientific literacy of this country.

105 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:32:57pm

Apparently, acting like a complete asshole, bragging about a mundane task, or being a jackass is supposed to drive Liberals into a suicidal depression or manic rage.

106 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:34:10pm

re: #104 Ian G.

I’m glad teens can discern the difference between the legitimate science that suggests how bad cigarettes are, and the bullshit surrounding marijuana. Maybe there’s hope yet for the scientific literacy of this country.

No guarantee they put that kind of thought into it. Maybe it’s just that THC is more fun than nicotine. Probably doesn’t help helps that cigarettes are getting more and more expensive.

107 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:41:15pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

Indoors, I hope. Looks cold (but really beautiful!)

Ha. yes, my Mum’s house is near this lake - just been talking with her about her heating system, it’s been playing up :/

108 jaunte  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:41:39pm
a gifted, principled, compassionate technical “genius”

I think you can tell a bit about a “principled, compassionate” man’s character by how he treats the woman he’s pretending to be intimate with.

109 Joanne  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:49:20pm

re: #51 dog philosopher

Jonah Goldberg wonders when the insurance companies will revolt.

Articulating my sympathy for the insurance companies is difficult without the accompaniment of the world’s smallest violin. But, still, I have to wonder, do those running these firms have no backbone whatsoever? I understand that the insurance companies have been consolidating into de facto utilities for decades. But they at least once mustered some passion for defending their status as private enterprises. Sure, they have obligations to shareholders, but their obligations do not end there. Can’t one of them resign on principle and speak up? Or are their mouths so stuffed with gold that they couldn’t get the words out even if they tried?

sob!!

Well, insurance companies at times are revolting.

110 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:56:52pm

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