Brazil: No Asylum for Snowden, Not Interested in Investigating “US Crimes”

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Remember when Glenn Greenwald flew into a rage yesterday and claimed Edward Snowden’s obsequious open letter to Brazil had nothing to do with asylum, and the entire media establishment was “distorting” it?

Oddly enough, the Brazilian government seems to think the letter did have something to do with begging for asylum, and officials told a Brazilian newspaper today that Brazil Will Not Grant Snowden Asylum. Oops.

More than that, however, these officials also made it clear Brazil won’t be taking up Snowden on his offer to help “investigate US crimes.”

BRASILIA (Reuters) - Brazil has no plans to grant asylum to Edward Snowden even after the former U.S. National Security Agency contractor offered on Tuesday to help investigate revelations of spying on Brazilians and their president, a local newspaper reported.

The Folha de S.Paulo newspaper, citing unnamed government officials, said the Brazilian government has no interest in investigating the mass Internet surveillance programs Snowden revealed in June and does not intend to give him asylum.

In an “Open Letter to the Brazilian People” published by Folha and social media, Snowden offered to help a congressional probe into NSA spying on the country, including the personal communications of President Dilma Rousseff.

The cynic in me wonders if the reason Brazil is “not interested” in investigating NSA mass surveillance is because it would end up revealing their own mass surveillance programs. Much safer to pretend outrage in public and keep their own domestic spying on the down low.

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1 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:33:46pm

This means persecution America bullying Brazil and censorship

2 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:34:00pm

Brazil obviously doesn’t know who its dealing with.
///

3 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:34:12pm

Broadly speaking, the sausage is made the same the world over.

Any other result would have been almost shocking, IMHO.

4 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:34:58pm

Brazil sold out. What faithful nations in the world are left who won’t be cowed by American war machine NSA spying imperialists? ////

5 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:36:09pm

Never applied for asylum happy in the Russian gulag freedom. ///

6 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:36:18pm

I thought Snowden gave all of his documents away in Hong Kong? How would he be able to rat out the US more if he doesn’t have anymore documents?

7 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:36:43pm

re: #3 erik_t

Broadly speaking, the sausage is made the same the world over.

Any other result would have been almost shocking, IMHO.

Brazil had a choice between pissing off the US by being positive about the GG/Snowden rubbish, or pissing off GG/Snowden by dismissing it.

Looks like Brazil went with the no-brainer option.

8 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:36:51pm
The cynic in me wonders if one reason why Brazil is “not interested” in investigating NSA mass surveillance is because it would end up revealing their own mass surveillance programs. Much safer to pretend outrage in public and keep their own domestic spying on the down low.

Of course, since you get more mileage at home with this “outrage” if the plebes think that you’re above doing such things.

9 Ming  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:37:13pm

Looks like Saint Edward might experience a full Russian winter after all.

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:37:40pm

re: #6 b.d.

I thought Snowden gave all of his documents away in Hong Kong? How would he be able to rat out the US more if he doesn’t have anymore documents?

See, I’d heard that what documents he did have on him would be useless to the Russians, because he’d encrypted them so well, even he didn’t know the password.

11 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:38:37pm
The cynic in me wonders if one reason why Brazil is “not interested” in investigating NSA mass surveillance is because it would end up revealing their own mass surveillance programs. Much safer to pretend outrage in public and keep their own domestic spying on the down low.

Agreed, and I’d go a step further.

Investigate the US NSA spycraft, and the data gathered and you’d reveal just how insecure Brazilian secrets are. That’s something that the Brazilian authorities will want to keep quiet.

That’s separate from those Brazilian means and methods to spy on others, which they are most certainly doing. Playing deaf, dumb, and blind when answering questions about their own spy enterprise may work well on the evening news, but doesn’t actually inform anyone making policy decisions. They want intel, and that means spying. And anyone who thinks they shouldn’t be spying should not be involved in policy discussions because that’s a massive amount of naivete and ignorance.

12 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:40:18pm
WASHINGTON — Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor, said in an extensive interview this month that he did not take any secret N.S.A. documents with him to Russia when he fled there in June, assuring that Russian intelligence officials could not get access to them.

nytimes.com

13 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:40:25pm

Dear dudebros,
We told you this was all feigned outrage by other countries. We do it too.
It’s how the spygame is played.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:40:39pm

It was mentioned somehwere else in a previous thread that Brazil has the World Cup coming up next year and will be in need of a lot of international cooperation to maintain security.

Pissing off the USA over Snowden would not make that job any easier.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:41:11pm

Brazilian officials know we have something Snowden didn’t have, or wasn’t interested in finding: Megatons of dirt on Brazilian security operations.
Mess with the bull, get the horns.

16 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:42:15pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

Brazil had a choice between pissing off the US by being positive about the GG/Snowden rubbish, or pissing off GG/Snowden by dismissing it.

Looks like Brazil went with the no-brainer option.

Especially with the World Cup coming to Brazil next summer. You think they want screaming front page headlines about their own mass surveillance programs when the rest of the world is going to be watching football and spending tourist dollars there? Hell no.

Brazil figured that pissing off the dudebros and Greenwald was a small price to pay for all the money they stand to make next summer.

17 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:43:03pm

We all got so much dirt on each other it balances itself out.

18 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:43:37pm

re: #12 b.d.

nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor, said in an extensive interview this month that he did not take any secret N.S.A. documents with him to Russia when he fled there in June, assuring that Russian intelligence officials could not get access to them.

LOL. Putin welcomed you with open arms out of the goodness of his heart.

Pull the other one, Eddie.

19 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:44:07pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

We all got so much dirt on each other it balances itself out.

Which is something the dudebros don’t understand, but governments do.

20 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:45:03pm

re: #19 Lidane

Which is something the dudebros don’t understand, but governments do.

Mutual assured destruction isn’t just for the nukes.

21 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:45:54pm

re: #18 erik_t

LOL. Putin welcomed you with open arms out of the goodness of his heart.

Pull the other one, Eddie.

His massive, manly arms of justice.
/Rightwinger

22 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:46:06pm

I didn’t want to go to Brazil anyway. Too crowded. Nobody goes there any more.


HT: Lord of the Pies.

23 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:47:00pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

I didn’t want to go to Brazil anyway. Too crowded. Nobody goes there any more.

[Embedded content]


HT: Lord of the Pies.

You can’t even see the actual beach…
Wowzers.

24 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:47:28pm

re: #20 EPR-radar

Mutual assured destruction isn’t just for the nukes.

Damn skippy. It’s for everything. They’ve got dirt on us, we’ve got dirt on them. And that’s what keeps things in check.

25 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:48:27pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

We all got so much dirt on each other it balances itself out.

As lawhawk has noted repeatedly, even spying on allies serves a purpose, namely keeping one sure that what is being said in public is being supported behind closed doors. Anyone who thinks that our allies don’t spy on us, that there’s some sort of gentlemen’s agreement in place, is naive in the extreme.

26 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:49:19pm

re: #24 Lidane

Damn skippy. It’s for everything. They’ve got dirt on us, we’ve got dirt on them. And that’s what keeps things in check.

“You squeal on me, I squeal on you.”

27 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:49:28pm

There is also the upcoming USAF purchase of the Brazilian designed AT-29 Super Tucano for its light attack requirement, which represents a major breakthrough for Brazilian industry. AF types really like the Super Tucano and it has a proven record in service, but it is not without competition or alternatives.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:49:59pm

Dudebro font is not green in the Master Spy (unless it’s just me…)

29 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:50:06pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

As lawhawk has noted repeatedly, even spying on allies serves a purpose, namely keeping one sure that what is being said in public is being supported behind closed doors. Anyone who thinks that our allies don’t spy on us, that there’s some sort of gentlemen’s agreement in place, is naive in the extreme.

We should only spy if there’s a threat!

Well, how do you know there’s a threat if you’re not already spying?

*crickets*

30 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:51:22pm

If I ask a young lady “If I had tickets to the concert, would you be interested in going to see it with me?” and she replies “NO”, then technically she didn’t really shoot me down, because I never asked her to go to the concert in the first place.

Dudebro logic…. it rocks.

RBS

31 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:51:31pm

re: #12 b.d.

nytimes.com

Funny, coming from a guy who thinks only the US should have no secrets.

32 erik_t  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:52:26pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

As lawhawk has noted repeatedly, even spying on allies serves a purpose, namely keeping one sure that what is being said in public is being supported behind closed doors. Anyone who thinks that our allies don’t spy on us, that there’s some sort of gentlemen’s agreement in place, is naive in the extreme.

I am not certain I want an ally who is so stupid as to not make at least a half-assed effort to spy on his putative friends.

33 jaunte  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:53:20pm

re: #30 RealityBasedSteve

Plausible!

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:56:09pm

SNOWDEN VINDICATION!

35 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 12:57:00pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

There is also the upcoming USAF purchase of the Brazilian designed AT-29 Super Tucano for its light attack requirement, which represents a major breakthrough for Brazilian industry. AF types really like the Super Tucano and it has a proven record in service, but it is not without competition or alternatives.

To illustrate:
“Operation Ágata 1, four A-29 flew to a illicit airstrip, about 42 miles (68 km) northeast of the city of São Gabriel da Cachoeira. Eight bombs 230 kg(507 lb) Mk 82 were used for the call to ban the airstrip. The A-29 1 / 3 º Aviation Group (GAV), Squadron Scorpion, made ​​the attack with the use of onboard computers.”

36 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:00:59pm

re: #32 erik_t

I am not certain I want an ally who is so stupid as to not make at least a half-assed effort to spy on his putative friends.

As if none of these dudebros has never peeked at the contents their girlfreind’s inbox…

37 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:01:10pm

Happy Holidays….

nj.com

Two men attempt to torch ‘Saturnalia’ billboard in Pitman

Someone tried to torch the “Saturnalia” billboard on the edge of town Tuesday night.

An off-duty police officer from another municipality was in Carolina Blue restaurant with a number of friends when they looked across the intersection of Lambs Road and Holly Avenue at about 11:45 p.m. and spotted two men underneath the billboard, which proclaims “Keep Saturn in Saturnalia.”

According to Carolina Blue owner Brad Cook, manager Ed Hood was working at the bar and restaurant when the attempted torching took place.

Cook said Hood told him that it was a “pretty lame attempt” and that a man driving a pickup truck drove up to the billboard during his shift.

After exiting the vehicle, the man stepped out of the truck with a can of gasoline and proceeded to try and set the billboard on fire, according to the manager.

The billboard was erected by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, the organization’s way of countering the “Keep Christ in Christmas” banner that hangs across Broadway, Pitman’s main thoroughfare. The Christmas banner is erected by the Knights of Columbus.

The FFRF has been objecting to the Christmas banner since at least 2011, insisting it is illegally hung, without receipt of proper permits.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:02:03pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

how do you format duebro font?

39 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:02:07pm

Obviously, Brazil knows who butters their bread.

40 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:02:18pm
41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:02:52pm
42 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:03:27pm
43 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:05:19pm

re: #38 Sol Berdinowitz

how do you format duebro font?

[-dudebro] text goes here [/-dudebro]

just take the “-” out. Same as the wingnut font.

RBS

44 Whack-A-Mole  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:08:21pm

Reason #5 why I hate Christmas:

It is a yearly reminder of my complete inability to wrap a perfectly square box in paper without it looking like it was done by a vision-impaired 6 year old.

45 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:08:55pm

re: #44 Whack-A-Mole

Reason #5 why I hate Christmas:

It is a yearly reminder of my complete inability to wrap a perfectly square box in paper without it looking like it was done by a vision-impaired 6 year old.

Heh.

46 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:08:59pm

re: #44 Whack-A-Mole

You are not alone.

47 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:09:17pm

Um, does he realize this is information the telephone companies ALREADY have?

48 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:10:50pm

Dear dudebros,
Google already knows more about you than the NSA can dream of having.
Shit, most tech/social media companies do.

49 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:11:00pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Did he use Google to find this out?

50 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:15:31pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

Dear dudebros,
Google already knows more about you than the NSA can dream of having.
Shit, most tech/social media companies do.

I laugh at the dudebro privacy advocates using Twitter, Facebook, and Google+ to make their case. Like those companies don’t already know your entire life story. ROFL.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:15:35pm

re: #37 lawhawk

Happy Holidays….

nj.com

The standard hypocrisy being exhibited by assholes. (sigh)

And I note the typical comment fight going on below the article as well.

52 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:16:17pm

Report and Recommendations of
The President’s Review Group on Intelligence
and Communications Technologies

308 pages…

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:16:55pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Um, does he realize this is information the telephone companies ALREADY have?

All those megabytes of data flashed into existence on Jan 20, 2009.

54 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:18:01pm

re: #44 Whack-A-Mole

Reason #5 why I hate Christmas:

It is a yearly reminder of my complete inability to wrap a perfectly square box in paper without it looking like it was done by a vision-impaired 6 year old.

I used to have that problem. Figured out how to do it right (for me) while I was learning how to rebind and recover library books. The two most important tools are a good surface and a good folding tool. An art mat and a bone folder are ideal. A smooth table or counter top and a dull table knife work. Use the box as a guide while making creases in the paper with your tool.

Seriously, it changes everything.

55 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:19:13pm

re: #44 Whack-A-Mole

Reason #5 why I hate Christmas:

It is a yearly reminder of my complete inability to wrap a perfectly square box in paper without it looking like it was done by a vision-impaired 6 year old.

2 words:

Gift Bags

56 Whack-A-Mole  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:20:06pm

re: #55 Kragar

Gift bags don’t work for the kids. It takes all the fun out of opening gifts for them.

57 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:20:13pm

Recommendation 20
We recommend that the US Government should examine the
feasibility of creating software that would allow the National Security
Agency and other intelligence agencies more easily to conduct targeted
information acquisition rather than bulk-data collection.

In the course of our review, we have been struck by the fact that the
nature of IT networks and current intelligence collection technology is such that it is often necessary to ingest large amounts of data in order to acquire a limited amount of required data. E-mails, telephone calls, and other communications are moved on networks as a series of small packets, then reassembled at the receiving end. Often those packets are interspersed in transit with packets from different originators. To intercept one message, pieces of many other messages might be recorded and placed in government databases, at least temporarily. Frequently, too, it is more cost-effective and less likely to be detected by the transmitter if the collection of message occurs in transit, mixed up with many others, rather than at the source.
It might reduce budgetary costs and political risk if technical
collection agencies could make use of artificial intelligence software that
could be launched onto networks and would be able to determine in real
time what precise information packets should be collected. Such smart
software would be making the sorting decision online, as distinguished
from the current situation in which vast amounts of data are swept up and
the sorting is done after it has been copied on to data storages systems. We are unable to determine whether this concept is feasible or fantasy, but we suggest that it should be examined by an interagency information technology research team

58 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:21:05pm

re: #56 Whack-A-Mole

Gift bags don’t work for the kids. It takes all the fun out of opening gifts for them.

That is why you booby trap them.

59 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:21:13pm
60 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:21:21pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

There is also the upcoming USAF purchase of the Brazilian designed AT-29 Super Tucano for its light attack requirement, which represents a major breakthrough for Brazilian industry. AF types really like the Super Tucano and it has a proven record in service, but it is not without competition or alternatives.

The RAF and RN have used the Short Tucano (licence-built version of the earlier Embraer EMB-312 Tucano) in training for years - very successfully.
Though they seem now to regret not spec’ing them with wing hard points for active use in Afghanistan:

“For the price of one Eurofighter we could have a squadron of Super Tucanos. They can carry the same ordnance as a Harrier, with its loud bang, but unlike the Harrier, which can be over the battlefield for no more than 20 minutes, Tucanos can loiter overhead for hours on end, ready for use in a ground attack at a moment’s notice.”

House of Commons debate, October 2007

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:23:53pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

An art mat and a bone folder are ideal. A smooth table or counter top and a dull table knife work. Use the box as a guide while making creases in the paper with your tool.

sorry for being so adolescent about it, but I had to giggle at that one

62 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:28:28pm

re: #57 Justanotherhuman

Recommendation 20
We recommend that the US Government should examine the
feasibility of creating software that would allow the National Security
Agency and other intelligence agencies more easily to conduct targeted
information acquisition rather than bulk-data collection.

{snippage…}
the sorting is done after it has been copied on to data storages systems. We are unable to determine whether this concept is feasible or fantasy, but we suggest that it should be examined by an interagency information technology research team

I recall reading something recently about Homegenetic Encryption, where the data is truly encrypted, but in such a way that it is still possible to do the type of data-mining / pattern seeking that they do on it now. Only after a pattern of interest is found is a warrant requested to decrypt just that one little part of the data to get to the raw values underneath.

May be something that could be applicable.

RBS

63 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:31:31pm

re: #61 Sol Berdinowitz

sorry for being so adolescent about it, but I had to giggle at that one

‘sok. Every time I taught a new set of library workers how to do book repair, I had to take a break after introducing the tools. I’m rather used to it.

btw, the bone folder is one of several reasons I get annoyed at the whole clip/magazine discussion. If you who insist I use the correct terminology have called a bone folder a plastic knife or called plastic wrap saran wrap or photocopying xerox or any and all plastic explosives C4, then you should probably recognize why you get such looks of contempt when you insist on the differentiation between clips and magazines.

rant done for now.

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:33:58pm

re: #63 kirkspencer

‘sok. Every time I taught a new set of library workers how to do book repair, I had to take a break after introducing the tools. I’m rather used to it.

btw, the bone folder is one of several reasons I get annoyed at the whole clip/magazine discussion. If you who insist I use the correct terminology have called a bone folder a plastic knife or called plastic wrap saran wrap or photocopying xerox or any and all plastic explosives C4, then you should probably recognize why you get such looks of contempt when you insist on the differentiation between clips and magazines.

rant done for now.

Someone needs to start a new e-zine about guns and ammo and call it “Clip” - just to piss people off.
;p

65 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:36:32pm

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

Someone needs to start a new e-zine about guns and ammo and call it “Clip” - just to piss people off.
;p

heh.

The jacket, cover, and binding of the book are three different things within the profession. I actually get the difference being important WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. It’s the implied egotism that believes everyone should know your special terms when you won’t bother with anyone else’s that ticks me off.

66 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:39:23pm

[ranton]
You know what I find funny about all this faux outrage over Government spying is the total dudebro silence over Corporate intelligence gathering (spying) on not only their rivals, but on their customers as well.

Then you get down to the personal level of spying (and yes it is spying). How many Lizards can claim they never have spyed on their neighbor? How many can claim they have never peaked out the window to see who just pulled up in front of the neighbors house?.

What is your local Neighborhood Watch? It is a domestic spy operation who’s goal is to detere crime by watching your neighbors homes and car(s) and reporting suspicious activities to Law Enforcement. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Guess it depends on not only how that information is gathered, but to whom it is ultimatly disseminated to.

Own a scanner and listen in on a wireless conversation or baby monitor? Your spying as you are intercepting conversations that are not meant for your ears. It’s ileagle and you can be prosecuted for it.

Got one of those amplifiers that look like a bluetooth ear piece but allows you to hear a conversation across the room? Your spying.

Hell I think the urge to spy on each other is hardwired into us both on the individual level and the Government level. And it’s a thriving busisness.

Spy Gear

Some of this stuff is just plain crap sold as toys, but still capable of being used for personal inteligence gathering on unsuspecting individuals while others do offer high end tech designed solely for the purpose of covert data collection.
[/ranton]

67 leftynyc  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:41:13pm

re: #44 Whack-A-Mole

Reason #5 why I hate Christmas:

It is a yearly reminder of my complete inability to wrap a perfectly square box in paper without it looking like it was done by a vision-impaired 6 year old.

Use giftbags - they’ve been a life and time saver for me.

68 Zamb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:41:26pm

re: #63 kirkspencer

Also the implication that only people who spend all their time in the culture of the community can comment on the issue. As if gun violence only hurts gun enthusiasts

69 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:42:01pm

re: #56 Whack-A-Mole

Au contraire! Use tissue paper and confetti. Want to see ‘em have fun tearing into stuff? That’s nothing when compared to having the shredded paper filling.

70 Greup  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:44:02pm

Speaking of Brazil and Sweden two things to note:

Brazil is reported to have just bought the JAS 39 from Sweden instead of the US F-18. Apparently Brazil didn’t like to be spied upon.

Swedish Säpo ( approx NSA) just got caught in a secret recording threatening an Internet provider (Bahnhof) with bad things if an automatic system wasn’t installed that would send user data automatically to Säpo. The IP wired the meeting room at their own offices and sent the tape to the News channels. Red faces at Säpo HQ i guess.

So the debate here in not only about links to the NSA but also data collection within Sweden, mission creep, and export of data regarding Swedish citizens to foreign powers.

71 AlexRogan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:48:47pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

Dear dudebros,
Google already knows more about you than the NSA can dream of having.
Shit, most tech/social media companies do.

And yet, that doesn’t seem to stop them from smearing their CT/glibertarian feces all over the Internet.

72 Jay in Oregon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:55:54pm

re: #12 b.d.

nytimes.com

Was Snowden’s statement helpfully pre-translated into Russian for us?

73 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:17:31pm

Hmmm.

74 sagehen  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:29:07pm

re: #14 Sol Berdinowitz

It was mentioned somehwere else in a previous thread that Brazil has the World Cup coming up next year and will be in need of a lot of international cooperation to maintain security.

Pissing off the USA over Snowden would not make that job any easier.

And then the Olympics in 2016.

75 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:26:53pm

I picked up on this yesterday. The undeniable rejection of Snowden/Greenwald made this all the sweeter.


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