Help Support LGF by Christmas Shopping With Our Amazon Links

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Here we are, suddenly a week away from Christmas, and if you’re anything like me you’re not done shopping for friends and family yet. If that’s the case, and you don’t want to fight the crowds, may I suggest Amazon via the LGF Associate link? This way you can take advantage of their excellent holiday bargains and support Little Green Footballs at the same time (at no extra cost).

Amazon gift cards are always good last-minute stocking-stuffers:

But you do still do have time to get something delivered too; here are some links to other Amazon departments you might be interested in:

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229 comments
1 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:31:36pm

It’s hard to believe I can walk two blocks and get a roast beef burrito with about a third of a pound of meat and as much pico de gallo as the tortilla will hold (more than it could hold, actually) for $3.75. I always leave the quarter in the tip jar, so $4.00.

2 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:33:23pm

I’m giving my family the gift of food this year…..magical food: amazon.com


3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:36:26pm

Could be misinterpreted.

Cock Flavored Soup Mix

4 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:37:12pm

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I’m giving my family the gift of food this year…..magical food: amazon.com

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I like my Unicorn meat the same way I like my Spam—fresh off the hoof. : )

5 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:38:23pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Could be misinterpreted.

Cock Flavored Soup Mix

And there’s the traditional, as well: Spotted Dick.

amazon.com

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:39:31pm

Grace Cock Flavored Soup Mix - 1.76 OZ: Grocery & Gourmet Food

Invited my parents and inlaws over for a get together

By ReeVueBoi on February 18, 2012

When my parents and inlaws arrived for dinner the aroma of cock had already filled the house.

My mother-in-law was immediately excited..It was a surprise to her..and she really loves all things cock.

I must admit I was worried the taste wouldn’t live up to the amazing aroma. I was worried for nothing..

They were all begging for my secret…I’ll never tell

They couldn’t believe you could get such a real cock flavor without the real thing. I explained it had natural flavors and they were a bit shocked..and somewhat worried.

All in all it was a great dinner…a great experience. Now I just have to find a way to keep them from wanting to eat dinner at my house all the time.

7 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:39:51pm

re: #2 Dr. Matt

I’m giving my family the gift of food this year…..magical food: amazon.com

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Just the name on the first review was worth the click:

By Irma Gerd

The second review is by George Takei.

8 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:39:54pm

I remember seeing along with the Beef Flavor, Chicken Flavor and Pork Flavor raman noodles, one that scared me… “Oriental Flavor”. (turns that it it tastes a lot like the chicken)

RBS

9 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:41:14pm


Slightly grubby swan on the ice - I love watching the big birds lose all dignity coming in to land on ice
(And continuing from downstairs, this valley is one the RAF flies the Tucano trainer down - painted black like all RAF trainers, I get severe job envy!)
The big house is Allen Bank, Wordsworth condemned it as an eyesore when it was being built, then moved into it when he got a bit of money.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:42:22pm

Who asked for a pony?

This would be Brooklyn Supreme.

Brooklyn Supreme, a Belgian Draft stallion foaled in 1928, measured 19.2 hands, 6 feet 6 inches, 198 cms, and weighed 3,200 pounds, 1455 kilograms. “Brookie” wore a 40-inch collar and boasted a girth measurement of 10 feet, 2 inches around. It took 30 inches of iron for each of his horseshoes.

Foaled in 1928, he eventually became the property of C.G. Good of Iowa. Good’s partner, Ralph Fogleman, exhibited the big horse around the country, charging spectators 10 cents apiece. Brookie died in 1948.

horsecarecourses.com

11 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:43:41pm

And if we all go to Amazon and pitch in, we can get this fine gift to help GG with his butthurzs. Only 4.99 shipping, it’s a great deal.

Yes, I went there….


RBS

12 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:44:34pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

Unicorn Meat FAQs…..

Q: How much meat is needed to feed another unicorn?
A: You should not feed unicorn meat to another unicorn. - You will end up with Mad Unicorn Disease (MUD) and no rainbows.


Q: Is this legal to purchase in New York? Can we eat it here too?
A: No. But if you go see Vinny at Sarducci’s Deli on 23rd and tell him Pauly sent you, he’ll take you to a back room. You’ll have to shoot the unicorn yourself, but they’ll take care of the processing and packaging.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:44:44pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who asked for a pony?

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This would be Brooklyn Supreme.

horsecarecourses.com

Dang. Monster horse.

14 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:45:28pm

Speaking of Amazon, it sort of amazes me that they sell advertisement to other companies for display on the pages.

Anyway, this Dunkin’ Donuts ad came up:

Image: 18163-160x600-Promo-v3-1vKXs1._V367081080_.png

Look at that coffee, carefully. Doesn’t it look like tar to you? Fresh, not weathered (watered) tar that is dull, but nice shiny tar.

That donut is not going to get dunkin’ in that stuff.

15 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:46:11pm

re: #11 RealityBasedSteve

And if we all go to Amazon and pitch in, we can get this fine gift to help GG with his butthurzs. Only 4.99 shipping, it’s a great deal.

Yes, I went there….

RBS

That’s really a good deal. Works out to about 25 cents an ounce.

16 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:47:20pm

re: #14 freetoken

Speaking of Amazon, it sort of amazes me that they sell advertisement to other companies for display on the pages.

Anyway, this Dunkin’ Donuts ad came up:

Image: 18163-160x600-Promo-v3-1vKXs1._V367081080_.png

Look at that coffee, carefully. Doesn’t it look like tar to you? Fresh, not weathered (watered) tar that is dull, but nice shiny tar.

That donut is not going to get dunkin’ in that stuff.

It’s the way that it’s got that viscous swirl to the surface. Like a multi-tentacled beast is moving just below… waiting…. waiting for doughnuts.


RBS

17 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:48:36pm

Do it yourself!

50 Ways to Eat Cock: Healthy Chicken Recipes with Balls!

amazon.com

Alternatively,

50 Ways to Eat a Beaver

amazon.com

18 calochortus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:49:55pm

re: #14 freetoken

Speaking of Amazon, it sort of amazes me that they sell advertisement to other companies for display on the pages.

Anyway, this Dunkin’ Donuts ad came up:

Image: 18163-160x600-Promo-v3-1vKXs1._V367081080_.png

Look at that coffee, carefully. Doesn’t it look like tar to you? Fresh, not weathered (watered) tar that is dull, but nice shiny tar.

That donut is not going to get dunkin’ in that stuff.

It probably is tar. When you look closely at food photos, they often don’t look quite as appetizing as they do at a quick glance. That is because they are often not actually what they purport to be-I understand “milk” on cereal is made of diluted white glue, burgers tend to be stone cold and brushed with oil, etc.

19 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:50:10pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who asked for a pony?

Dear Crom, 19.2 hands!

The guy standing next to it looks a little depressed by the thought of shovelling all that horse shit

20 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:50:13pm

Beavis and Butthead Christmas.

21 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:51:16pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

Beavis and Butthead Christmas.

22 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #12 Dr. Matt

Unicorn Meat FAQs…..

>Q: How much meat is needed to feed another unicorn?
>A: You should not feed unicorn meat to another unicorn. - You will end up with Mad Unicorn Disease (MUD) and no rainbows.

>Q: Is this legal to purchase in New York? Can we eat it here too?
>A: No. But if you go see Vinny at Sarducci’s Deli on 23rd and tell him Pauly sent you, he’ll take you to a back room. You’ll have to shoot the unicorn yourself, but they’ll take care of the processing and packaging.

I only get my Unicorn meat from H. Briss

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M3FrHsiSfE

23 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:53:07pm

Hmm, video doesn’t want to load.

24 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:53:32pm

So if I have stuff already in my basket/wish area, do I buy them by clicking on the link and then restock it in my basket, or just click the link, then no matter what, anything during that episode will trigger the LGF associate program?

25 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:55:01pm

re: #23 Kragar

Hmm, video doesn’t want to load.

I think you need to include the “http : //” as well.

26 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:55:07pm

Youtube Video

27 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:55:51pm

Did that time, copied and pasted it the same way as before.

I blame Obama.

28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:57:40pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

So if I have stuff already in my basket/wish area, do I buy them by clicking on the link and then restock it in my basket, or just click the link, then no matter what, anything during that episode will trigger the LGF associate program?

I think you need to first click, then put it in the shopping cart. Stuff that’s already in the cart wouldn’t be registered with our associate link.

29 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:02:38pm

Mmm, no, Greenwald. He’s still a thief and traitor because of his actions.


BTW, GG, we know you and the dudebros want no intelligence gathering of any kind. You won’t get your wish.

30 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:04:42pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Mmm, no, Greenwald. He’s still a thief and traitor because of his actions.

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BTW, GG, we know you and the dudebros want no intelligence gathering of any kind. You won’t get your wish.

31 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:07:46pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Mmm, no, Greenwald. He’s still a thief and traitor because of his actions.

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BTW, GG, we know you and the dudebros want no intelligence gathering of any kind. You won’t get your wish.

Glenn is cherry picking. He is forgeting the other stories he wrote that had NOTHING to do with what the courts and the WH panel had to say.

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:09:28pm

Yay, Missouri GOP/TP!

Republican Congresswoman refuses to stand near picture of President Obama

A GOP Tea Party Congresswoman is so afraid of President Obama’s picture that she would not remain in a room with it on display. This level of disrespect is all too common since the Tea Party swept into the House in 2010, including Missouri Rep. Vicky Hartzler. It’s as if she thinks Obama’s black hand may reach out and touch her.

Hartzler (R-MO) told a crowd of her constituents in 2012, that she is no more convinced of President Obama’s birth place as anyone asking the question. She said, “I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate.”

33 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:10:39pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Mmm, no, Greenwald. He’s still a thief and traitor because of his actions.

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BTW, GG, we know you and the dudebros want no intelligence gathering of any kind. You won’t get your wish.

Uh no, Glenn, that’s not how the law works. But hey, if you think it does, then what does Edward have to worry about? He can come back to the US and be sure that if the government should try to charge him with a crime, the laws he broke will just be overlooked because the one he didn’t like was ruled “likely unconstitutional” by a judge that you flayed alive years prior.

34 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:10:42pm

re: #11 RealityBasedSteve

And if we all go to Amazon and pitch in, we can get this fine gift to help GG with his butthurzs. Only 4.99 shipping, it’s a great deal.

Yes, I went there….

RBS

Kinda disturbing that listed on the page as some other things people that viewed that product looked at on the site was a Disaster Bag / Body Bag ????

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:11:07pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Dang. Monster horse.

Yep. Draft horses are a hoot. Have a pile of photos sitting around somewhere since my brother-in-law breeds Clydesdales.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:11:37pm

And as for my own goofball Paulbot Congressman:

NKY Chamber president may challenge Massie

Northern Kentucky Chamber President Steve Stevens announced Wednesday he will consider challenging U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie in the Republican Primary in May 2014.

He said the reaction in the business community to Massie’s first term in office has been mixed. Massie has earned the moniker ‘Mr. No’ by some publications for his votes against many bills and issues, such as voting against re-electing John Boehner Speaker of the House.

We need bigger spoons for the feeding frenzy…

37 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:11:48pm

I just saw that my local cinema will be showing Lars von Trier’s “Nymphomaniac” - both parts - back to back on January 15th.

The reviews I’ve read on it are quite good. Perhaps not as a good a film as “Breaking The Waves”, but still a good one.

Von Trier isn’t for everyone, of course, but I find him an interesting film maker.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:13:01pm

re: #34 Eventual Carrion

Kinda disturbing that listed on the page as some other things people that viewed that product looked at on the site was a Disaster Bag / Body Bag ????

Body bag customer review:

I am glad I purchased this very much! I use about 2-3 per day and it is really helpful. Before this product I had some troubles with putting dead people in my trashcan, but now to be honest it looks much better and less suspicions occur. Recommended for the average person!

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:13:07pm

re: #19 Stoatly

Dear Crom, 19.2 hands!

The guy standing next to it looks a little depressed by the thought of shovelling all that horse shit

I’d rather shovel horse crap than something like dog.

40 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:13:23pm

re: #30 Kragar

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If you don’t have a character in front of Greenwald’s ‘@’, it won’t go to the rest of your followers.

41 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:14:14pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

That’s how I’ll do it, thanks!

42 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:14:26pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

If you don’t have a character in front of Greenwald’s ‘@’, it won’t go to the rest of your followers.

I did not know that.

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:15:05pm

re: #42 Kragar

I did not know that.

I was waiting for you to complete the initiation period.

44 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:15:41pm
45 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:15:43pm

/

of course

46 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:16:17pm

This should be good for a laugh:

McCain Introduces Obamacare Repeal And Replacement Legislation

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said Wednesday that he would introduce a bill to repeal Obamacare and replace it with his own set of reforms.

It appears to be the first comprehensive health care reform legislation that McCain has introduced during his three decades in Congress. It is composed of conservative pet policies, such as tax credits for individuals and tort reform to stem medical malpractice lawsuits. The bill comes as Republicans attempt to beat back criticism that they don’t have a viable alternative to the Affordable Care Act.

McCain boasted that Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the conservative American Action Forum and the chief economic advisor to his 2008 presidential campaign, had concluded that the bill would save taxpayers $2.37 trillion in its first decade.

A formal bill has not yet been filed, but McCain offered a description on the Senate floor and said it would be a companion to a bill introduced by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) in the House. The central tenet, tax credits for purchasing health coverage, was also included in McCain’s 2008 presidential platform.

It should be noted that the Price bill mentioned is actually out there, and has already had more than one constitutional lawyer laughing their asses off at the idea that the federal government would take control of state juries to limit all malpractice suit awards to $250K.

47 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:16:30pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

I was waiting for you to complete the initiation period.

So all those conversation I thought people could join in with on my TL, they saw nothing?

NOOOOOOO!

48 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:16:43pm

One of the major science newsy things today:

The complete genome sequence of a Neanderthal from the Altai Mountains

We present a high-quality genome sequence of a Neanderthal woman from Siberia. We show that her parents were related at the level of half-siblings and that mating among close relatives was common among her recent ancestors. We also sequenced the genome of a Neanderthal from the Caucasus to low coverage. An analysis of the relationships and population history of available archaic genomes and 25 present-day human genomes shows that several gene flow events occurred among Neanderthals, Denisovans and early modern humans, possibly including gene flow into Denisovans from an unknown archaic group. Thus, interbreeding, albeit of low magnitude, occurred among many hominin groups in the Late Pleistocene. In addition, the high-quality Neanderthal genome allows us to establish a definitive list of substitutions that became fixed in modern humans after their separation from the ancestors of Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Archaic humans.

Sex.

Sex with archaic humans.

The ACA would not approve.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:17:56pm

re: #47 Kragar

So all those conversation I thought people could join in with on my TL, they saw nothing?

NOOOOOOO!

Somebody should write a manual…

50 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:19:12pm

re: #34 Eventual Carrion

Kinda disturbing that listed on the page as some other things people that viewed that product looked at on the site was a Disaster Bag / Body Bag ????

That is some serious prepperism. Even so, I don’t think I would entrust my stiffs to a $13.95 body bag unless they were going in the ground right away. Real EMT/mortuary
body bags cost hundreds of dollars each.

51 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:20:06pm

re: #48 freetoken

several gene flow events occurred among Neanderthals, Denisovans and early modern humans

Is that what they’re calling it these days they called it back then…

52 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:21:12pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

That is some serious prepperism. Even so, I don’t think I would entrust my stiffs to a $13.95 body bag unless they were going in the ground right away. Real EMT/mortuary
body bags cost hundreds of dollars each.

Wood chipper is really cheaper in the long run.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:22:07pm

re: #48 freetoken

One of the major science newsy things today:

The complete genome sequence of a Neanderthal from the Altai Mountains

Archaic humans.

Sex.

Sex with archaic humans.

The ACA would not approve.

Nor would Duck Commander Phil Robertson…

54 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:25:00pm

re: #35 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. Draft horses are a hoot. Have a pile of photos sitting around somewhere since my brother-in-law breeds Clydesdales.

My dad used to work with Clydesdales as a kid, said you had to take a broom with you if you went into the stall with them otherwise they’d amuse themselves by gently leaning on you, then slooowly transferring all their weight, so the trick was to keep the broom between the horse and the wall, bristles against its flank

55 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:25:01pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yay, Missouri GOP/TP!

Republican Congresswoman refuses to stand near picture of President Obama

She needs to be sanctioned by the ethics committee since she respects neither the President nor his office, nor her own responsibilities and duties as a MoC. It’s about time those whining toddlers who like to shit in every corner get what they deserve. They simply will never be civil enough to be effective servants of the people. Any idiot can throw a tantrum.

It’s time the adults up there start disciplining these recalcitrant types and demanding from them the dignity the office requires.

56 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:25:15pm

Another Santa of Color:

57 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:26:16pm
58 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:26:47pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Another Santa of Color:

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So, black Santa has the Saint Reagan endorsement. Wingnuts can stfu now.

59 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:28:01pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Scenario: Some young dude walks up to a house of his girlfriend, is greeted at the door by her father brandishing a shotgun, who invites the youngster inside to talk about how there will be no gene flow events with his daughter….

(maybe in Cambridge?)

60 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:28:57pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

That is some serious prepperism. Even so, I don’t think I would entrust my stiffs to a $13.95 body bag unless they were going in the ground right away. Real EMT/mortuary
body bags cost hundreds of dollars each.

Yeah, but when in a pinch.

Like the saying goes:
A friend will help you move. A best friend will help you move a body.

61 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:29:43pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

So, black Santa has the Saint Reagan endorsement. Wingnuts can stfu now.

We can’t assume Ronnie was ok with what we see in that photo… but the St. Nancy people (far fewer in number) should be reassured.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:32:29pm

re: #60 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, but when in a pinch.

Like the saying goes:
A friend will help you move. A best friend will help you move a body.

In a pinch, I would just make do with those giant lawn and garden leaf bags, which cost less than a dollar apiece even if you have to double-bag.

63 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:32:48pm

Okay gotta transfer some money but pretty close to pulling the trigger on this… Shhhh. For Dragon_Lady

amazon.com

64 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:33:26pm

What modern media must do to grab eyes…

National Geographic runs with the headline:
Ancient Incest Uncovered in Neanderthal Genome

It’s really not an unusual thing, for an animal to mate with a close relative.

But we have to force all of, well everything, into our own preconceived notions of morality.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:33:51pm

re: #54 Stoatly

My dad used to work with Clydesdales as a kid, said you had to take a broom with you if you went into the stall with them otherwise they’d amuse themselves by gently leaning on you, then slooowly transferring all their weight, so the trick was to keep the broom between the horse and the wall, bristles against its flank

I think that probably varied from horse to horse. I’ve made infrequent visits to his place over the past twenty years. Some of the horses are much more aggressive and/or annoying than others. They all have their own personalities that you can get to know.

If you went walking out in the pastures they would normally come over to see you once they noticed you. The mares would usually then just wander off back to grazing. The younger males would tend to follow you around longer and possibly get a little mischievous. You generally didn’t hang out wiht the older stallions since they tended to be the more aggressive ones - and a few would bite you if you weren’t looking out.

66 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:33:53pm

re: #47 Kragar

So all those conversation I thought people could join in with on my TL, they saw nothing?

NOOOOOOO!

Yeah - if the very first thing in your tweet is a user’s address, starting with the @ symbol, only people who are following BOTH you and the person you’re addressing will see the tweet.

That’s why people sometimes put a period in front of the first user address, so that it isn’t interpreted as a direct reply to that user, and will be seen by all followers.

67 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:34:13pm

re: #63 Political Atheist

Okay gotta transfer some money but pretty close to pulling the trigger on this… Shhhh. For Dragon_Lady

amazon.com

“all the better to see you with, my pretty”

68 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:34:19pm

Today is quite an interesting day in history.

1737.
Violin maker Antonio Stradivari died in Cremona, Italy.
*sad*


1865.
Slavery was abolished with the ratification of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution.
*happy*


1944.
The Supreme Court upheld the wartime internment of Japanese-Americans.
*very sad*


1969.
The British Parliament abolished the death penalty for murder.
*happy*


2000.
George W. Bush received 271 votes in the delayed Electoral College balloting.
*fucking tragic*

69 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:37:09pm

I worked in retail for SO many years.
I DO NOT MISS THIS TIME OF YEAR!
(Hi Lizards!)

70 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:37:30pm

re: #64 freetoken

What modern media must do to grab eyes…

National Geographic runs with the headline:
Ancient Incest Uncovered in Neanderthal Genome

It’s really not an unusual thing, for an animal to mate with a close relative.

But we have to force all of, well everything, into our own preconceived notions of morality.

Naw, inbreeding isn’t good for any species, really.

71 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:37:36pm
72 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:40:30pm

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

Naw, inbreeding isn’t good for any species, really.

While that is a widely held belief, “inbreeding” is too vague of a term.

From the BBC article on this Nature paper:

Other scenarios are possible though, including that her parents were an uncle and niece or aunt and nephew, a grandparent and grandchild, or double first-cousins (the offspring of two siblings who married siblings).

This results if inferred from the highly homozygous genome that was recovered.

Before modern times, many families were the result of cousin marriage.

73 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:41:15pm

re: #67 dog philosopher

She so loves a consumer Canon lens we have of the same focal length. We will get this and then a doubler in the spring. That lens is so heavy it mounts on the tripod not the camera. With the better glass and coatings she can get the seabird shots she wants. Tack sharp.

74 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:43:07pm

Bloomberg too runs with the sensationalism:

Ancient Toe Bone Shows Incest Role in Neanderthal Decline

The findings suggest the population of Neanderthals was small, making inbreeding more common among them than among ancestors of modern humans, said David Reich, a study author and professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School in Boston. The low levels of genetic diversity also may have made them less fit over the long run, leading to their extinction, although that is still conjecture, Reich said.

75 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:43:39pm

re: #63 Political Atheist

Will be ordering the Mrs. this and this for Christmas and this for Her Birthday and our 30th anniversary (only 3 days apart).

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:45:06pm

baby horse!

77 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:46:52pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Eleventy trillion dollars!!

78 piratedan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:49:07pm

per the WaPo, it appears that the R candidate for AG in Virginia (Obenshain) has conceded to Herrian, thus making the Va offices all in the hands of the Democrats.

79 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:50:03pm

re: #72 freetoken

While that is a widely held belief, “inbreeding” is too vague of a term.

From the BBC article on this Nature paper:

This results if inferred from the highly homozygous genome that was recovered.

Before modern times, many families were the result of cousin marriage.

Yes, but the risk of birth defects doubles in cousin marriages, even though they’re legal in most countries, including many states in the US. It’s the same risk as that of women who have children when they’re over 40, 4-6%.

I think “cousin” marriages were more likely a function of arranged marriages which included social, religious and economic considerations. People in earlier times didn’t have the means to get around as we do in modern times and often didn’t leave the county they were born in.

80 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:53:36pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

It would be more impressive if done while driving.

81 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:53:54pm

re: #78 piratedan

per the WaPo, it appears that the R candidate for AG in Virginia (Obenshain) has conceded to Herrian, thus making the Va offices all in the hands of the Democrats.

It’s only a matter of time before the dudebro-wingnut concurrence comes up with a way to turn this into “bad news” for the Dems:

Terrible , Terrible news for Democrats for 2014!!!!!!!

82 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:55:18pm

re: #74 freetoken

Bloomberg too runs with the sensationalism:

Ancient Toe Bone Shows Incest Role in Neanderthal Decline

What do you suppose the infant mortality rate was?

83 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:58:52pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

What do you suppose the infant mortality rate was?

That’s a tough one because AFAIK there is not enough data on Neanderthal mortality to come to any conclusion.

The high infant mortality among modern humans in the West from Antiquity up to the modern era may be the product of high population density and poor sanitation. Humans living more sparsely and in a hunter-gatherer society are not the same thing. Ancient hominid population density is not something which can be stated with high confidence, I think.

84 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:59:57pm

Wisconsin ranked 37th in private sector job growth

Wisconsin is ranked 37th in private sector job growth over the 12-month period that ended in June.
Figures released Wednesday from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics show private sector job growth in Wisconsin between June 2012 and June 2013 grew by 1 percent. That ranks it 37th nationally, just ahead of Mississippi and below New Hampshire.

North Dakota had the highest increase at 3.7 percent while West Virginia was the worst with a drop of 0.7 percent. The national rate was 1.9 percent.

Wisconsin added 23,963 jobs over the period.

85 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:00:18pm

re: #82 Justanotherhuman

What do you suppose the infant mortality rate was?

My guess would be quite higher than the worst IMRs for a developing/underdeveloped country today.

86 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:02:33pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

And 42nd in overall job growth.

87 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:03:30pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

It would be more impressive if done while driving.

With a dog on the roof.

88 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:03:52pm

re: #84 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin ranked 37th in private sector job growth

Keep in mind that Walker promised 250,000 new jobs by the end of his term. Best guesstimate right now is that he’s maybe close to the halfway mark, with 14 months to go. That means employers in the state would have to go on a hiring binge to make the deadline.

89 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:04:13pm

Here I’ll plug once again Prof. Hawk’s upcoming online course:


Human Evolution: Past and Future

If only the TX SBOE would make it required viewing for HS students… and watch the creationists go splody.

90 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:04:38pm

re: #83 freetoken

That’s a tough one because AFAIK there is not enough data on Neanderthal mortality to come to any conclusion.

And never will be.

I’ve had dog friends most of my life, both mutts of mostly unknown origin, and purebreds. I always preferred the mutts-they were not as temperamental as the purebreds.

91 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:06:06pm

92 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:15:36pm

*sigh*

Two AC power adapters ordered for the laptop I got from my last gig, two sent in for returns because they don’t work. At least I still have my ancient HP laptop to go online, but this is annoying. WTF.

Yay for a generous return/refund policy at Amazon!

93 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:16:21pm
94 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:18:14pm

re: #35 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. Draft horses are a hoot. Have a pile of photos sitting around somewhere since my brother-in-law breeds Clydesdales.

Briggs and Straton? Remember them from a thread years ago.

95 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:18:17pm
96 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:18:30pm

Executive Director of the ACLU = Major Dudebro.

Edward Snowden is a patriot.

As a whistleblower of illegal government activity that was sanctioned and kept secret by the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government for years, he undertook great personal risk for the public good. And he has single-handedly reignited a global debate about the extent and nature of government surveillance and our most fundamental rights as individuals.

[…]

First, many thoughtful observers note that Snowden has revealed important facts about an otherwise clandestine program, but wonder why he took it upon himself to bring his evidence to journalists rather than to Congress or the executive branch. The simple answer is that Snowden was too smart to expect real results from the “official” channels.

[…]

97 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:18:50pm

Too bad, dude.

Zynga founder reportedly asked Obama to pardon Edward Snowden

theverge.com

Mark Pincus also owns the very overpriced “One Kings Lane” which won’t allow you to browse without registering.

98 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:19:41pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Executive Director of the ACLU = Major Dudebro.

Really expect better from the ACLU. They know how to read a law.

99 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:20:26pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Damn. Of a brain aneurysm.

freep.com

100 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:22:33pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Yeah, thieves of all ilks take “great personal risk”, don’t they?

101 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:24:19pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Executive Director of the ACLU = Major Dudebro.

Edward Snowden is a patriot.

As a whistleblower of illegal government activity that was sanctioned and kept secret by the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government for years, he undertook great personal risk for the public good. And he has single-handedly reignited a global debate about the extent and nature of government surveillance and our most fundamental rights as individuals.

[…]

First, many thoughtful observers note that Snowden has revealed important facts about an otherwise clandestine program, but wonder why he took it upon himself to bring his evidence to journalists rather than to Congress or the executive branch. The simple answer is that Snowden was too smart to expect real results from the “official” channels.

[…]

Improved.

102 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:30:15pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Yeah, Romero is being highly selective in what he wants to cover in his editorial.

His fallacy is thinking that
(1) parts of various NSA programs may be found to be unconstitutional; and
(2) Snowden is not a patriot but just a criminal;

can not both be true.

103 GlutenFreeJesus  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:31:07pm

Megadeth’s Holiday Album!

104 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:32:54pm

How is it now?

105 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:33:59pm

The GOP rebranding continues apace:

106 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:34:32pm

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

How is it now?

I finished decorating my family’s Christmas tree today.

107 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:35:50pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I finished decorating my family’s Christmas tree today.

I hate the whole thing. Sad, I know.

I’d rather spend the day at soup kitchen or in Hawaii.

108 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:36:46pm

re: #102 freetoken

Your Breton Christmas choir the other night was quite cool—getting a couple CDs for stocking stuffers. Dug into them, and found their song “Sant Yago” (Santiago, Saint James). It’s ‘The Leaving of Liverpool’ to the Irish.

dailymotion.com

109 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:37:19pm

re: #105 Lidane

The GOP rebranding continues apace:

[Embedded content]

Fucking assholes want poor kids to learn there’s no free lunch, while their well-off classmates learn that they’ll have all their chores done by poor folks.

110 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:38:03pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Fucking assholes want poor kids to learn there’s no free lunch, while their well-off classmates learn that they’ll have all their chores done by poor folks.

Really concerned with reducing bullying in the schools—eh?

111 Semper Fi  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:39:27pm

I’ve received several emails from “Order”, “Support Amazon”, “=Amazon Store”, and “=Support” thanking me for my amazon order and saying they’ll let me know when my item(s) have been dispatched.
I have “no” open Amazon orders.
Each email notification references a order #
Upon opening I see that same order # is not repeated but other numbers appear. Also they say I can click on Amazon.com (provided) to make any changes. These are obviously phony.
Anyone else getting these?

112 jaunte  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:39:48pm

Walking Dead The Best Defense Board Game

The Best Defense is a cooperative board game in which players take on the roles of Rick, Glenn, Daryl, Michonne and other characters. The Survivors must defend four key locations from Walkers - the Farm, the Prison, the Town and the Highway - in order to stay alive. The game board is assembled at random for each game, providing for variability in the locations; a 25-card resource deck - containing either Equipment, Allies, Food or Ammunition - is placed at random on one of the locations.

Zombie Bash Tablecover

113 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:40:17pm

On that ACLU President’s piece, the last comment:

William Hamilton Says:
Dec 18th, 2013 at 11:48am
Just like Rosa Parks, that day came when Edward Snowden stopped and said “enough is enough” and could no longer allow the injustice to continue.

Oh yes, just like Rosa Parks.

114 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:40:42pm

I don’t know. If some sort of work-study program could be worked-out like in colleges. The kids could get a debit card (at minimum wage). To be used like SNAP or something—also accepted at the school cafeteria …

Still, it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

115 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:41:07pm

re: #111 Semper Fi

I’ve received several emails from “Order”, “Support Amazon”, “=Amazon Store”, and “=Support” thanking me for my amazon order and saying they’ll let me know when my item(s) have been dispatched.
I have “no” open Amazon orders.
Each email notification references a order #
Upon opening I see that same order # is not repeated but other numbers appear. Also they say I can click on Amazon.com (provided) to make any changes. These are obviously phony.
Anyone else getting these?

never

116 jaunte  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:42:23pm

re: #111 Semper Fi

None here.

117 freetoken  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:42:42pm

re: #111 Semper Fi

No. Could be a phishing expedition.

118 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:44:20pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know. If some sort of work-study program could be worked-out like in colleges. The kids could get a debit card (at minimum wage). To be used like SNAP or something—also accepted at the school cafeteria …

Still, it sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Kids in school should not have to work. School is compulsory. Making them work would be slavery.

119 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:44:41pm

re: #48 freetoken

One of the major science newsy things today:

The complete genome sequence of a Neanderthal from the Altai Mountains

Archaic humans.

Sex.

Sex with archaic humans.

The ACA would not approve.

Just goes to show what I’ve always said… “Neanderthal girls are EASY!”.

And with that I’m gone for a while, got a couple of pens to make for a client.

RBS

120 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:44:50pm

re: #79 Justanotherhuman

Yes, but the risk of birth defects doubles in cousin marriages, even though they’re legal in most countries, including many states in the US. It’s the same risk as that of women who have children when they’re over 40, 4-6%.

I think “cousin” marriages were more likely a function of arranged marriages which included social, religious and economic considerations. People in earlier times didn’t have the means to get around as we do in modern times and often didn’t leave the county they were born in.

Mongolians had to steal their brides from another tribe -no?

121 Semper Fi  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:44:55pm

re: #117 freetoken

No. Could be a phishing expedition.

Yes, I think you’re right. I guess I’m just in a “Why Me?” mood.

122 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:45:22pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Fucking assholes want poor kids to learn there’s no free lunch, while their well-off classmates learn that they’ll have all their chores done by poor folks.

Meanwhile, a rich kid just got out of any jail time for killing people while driving drunk because he was too rich to know better. WTF.

123 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:46:38pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Kids in school should not have to work. School is compulsory. Making them work would be slavery.

yes.

A lot of kids do work tho. Many would be thrilled to get a job at school—I think they’d have to be paid like everyone else tho —paycheck. Not in government benefits.

The problem would be competition for those jobs with those who don’t need the aid. There are a lot of places that only hire 18 year olds and up. Jobs for teenagers, in general, is a problem. IMHO.

The thing is that I think most of the kids would work if they could get a job.

124 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:47:10pm

re: #122 Lidane

Meanwhile, a rich kid just got out of any jail time for killing people while driving drunk because he was too rich to know better. WTF.

This is what happens when kids get a free lunch, and car, and credit card, and access to a spare house….

125 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:47:27pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Kids in school should not have to work. School is compulsory. Making them work would be slavery.

This.

I’m all in favor of vocational training in high school for those kids that know they’re not going to college. Give them the skills they need so that by the time they graduate they can go to work full-time or whatever. That makes sense. Forcing poor kids to work while in school to pay for their lunches? Not so much.

126 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:48:59pm

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

yes.

A lot of kids do work tho. Many would be thrilled to get a job at school—I think they’d have to be paid like everyone else tho —paycheck. Not in government benefits.

The problem would be competition for those jobs with those who don’t need the aid. There are a lot of places that only hire 18 year olds and up. Jobs for teenagers, in general, is a problem. IMHO.

I worked from age 10 on, but not at school. The social ramifications of having the poor kids work at the school are too awful to contemplate.

127 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:52:03pm

re: #120 FemNaziBitch

Mongolians had to steal their brides from another tribe -no?

And so did the Romans of legend. The ‘Rape of the Sabine Women’ was bride theft, not screwing. The word ‘rapina’ in Italian still refers to breaking and entering, not sex crime (stupro).

128 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:53:02pm

re: #113 freetoken

On that ACLU President’s piece, the last comment:

Oh yes, just like Rosa Parks.

Because Rosa Parks fled the state of Alabama after taking her stand. Oh wait, she didn’t. She at no time tried to run, and she made clear that whatever the state tried to do that it was the party in the wrong.

Were Rosa Parks still alive, Edward Snowden would not be fit to help her change her shoes. He is an honorless coward.

129 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:53:25pm

Warning: Christmas music ahead (feel free to ignore)

Bert Jansch - In the bleak midwinter
Youtube Video


Joni Mitchell - River
Youtube Video

130 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:55:45pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

I worked from age 10 on, but not at school. The social ramifications of having the poor kids work at the school are too awful to contemplate.

Yes. Any jobs available would have to be opened to all kids, not just those that “qualify”.

I would find it difficult to believe there are such jobs available at all.

131 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:57:23pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Yes. Any jobs available would have to be opened to all kids, not just those that “qualify”.

I would find it difficult to believe there are such jobs available at all.

I just wouldn’t go there. Certainly not during school. All kids should be doing school work, or else having recess together.

132 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:58:06pm
133 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:58:36pm

This is what Twitter was made for:

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:59:25pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

This is what Twitter was made for:

[Embedded content]

Where is that?

135 Kragar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 3:59:29pm

I HAVE HEAT AGAIN!

136 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:00:28pm
137 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:01:43pm

Frankly the argument of Snowden “finally” standing up is a weak argument for such an important organization to stand on. Snowden wasn’t even 30 and most of his time was building systems and moving between jobs. So what, he had maybe 7 years experience, a substantial period of which I’m sure didn’t involve daily existential decisions.

138 Mattand  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:01:49pm

re: #105 Lidane

The GOP rebranding continues apace:

[Embedded content]

Remind me again why supposedly rational, sane people support this party?

139 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:02:23pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Where is that?

‘abq’ is Albuquerque for people in a hurry.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:02:31pm

re: #105 Lidane

The GOP rebranding continues apace:

[Embedded content]

HURR HURR FIRE ALL TEH YOONYUN JANITORS!!!!111!!!

141 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:02:46pm

re: #125 Lidane

This.

I’m all in favor of vocational training in high school for those kids that know they’re not going to college. Give them the skills they need so that by the time they graduate they can go to work full-time or whatever. That makes sense. Forcing poor kids to work while in school to pay for their lunches? Not so much.

Yes, so am I. Even to the point of granting apprenticeship status after coursework to seniors in trades like plumbing, electric, HVAC, auto mechanics, etc. We need skilled workers in the trades and kids starting out and working themselves up to journey(wo)man and master status, and being licensed.

I don’t know about you, but I’m a bit tired of having to put up with low wage, inexperienced workers being used in all kinds of trades, auto repair, etc, and being charged book or prevailing prices for shoddy work. That’s how it’s done in the south. Today, kids are forced to take the same kinds of courses we took in HS in community colleges where they pay plenty to learn the same thing kids used to learn free.

142 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:03:38pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

‘abq’ is Albuquerque for people in a hurry.

Thanks.

143 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:06:47pm

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

Yes, so am I. Even to the point of granting apprenticeship status after coursework to seniors in trades like plumbing, electric, HVAC, auto mechanics, etc. We need skilled workers in the trades and kids starting out and working themselves up to journey(wo)man and master status, and being licensed.

I don’t know about you, but I’m a bit tired of having to put up with low wage, inexperienced workers being used in all kinds of trades, auto repair, etc, and being charged book or prevailing prices for shoddy work. That’s how it’s done in the south. Today, kids are forced to take the same kinds of courses we took in HS in community colleges where they pay plenty to learn the same thing kids used to learn free.

Sometimes I think they did away with vocational tracks to avoid training girls for those professions. I had to fight to get into drafting and woodshop classes in high school.

144 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:07:42pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Thanks.

People in a hurry don’t talk about or even think of Albuquerque.

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:08:20pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Briggs and Straton? Remember them from a thread years ago.

Yea. That was two of the geldings. Born a year apart. Not sure where they are now.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:08:26pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Fucking assholes want poor kids to learn there’s no free lunch, while their well-off classmates learn that they’ll have all their chores done by poor folks.

But that kid with “affluenza” who killed 4 people, HE CAN HAZ ALL TEH FREE LUNCHES!!!!

147 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:09:23pm

Most of the trades that aren’t protected by codes don’t pay well. Unless it’s union.

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:10:38pm

re: #113 freetoken

On that ACLU President’s piece, the last comment:

Oh yes, just like Rosa Parks.

If Rosa Parks had a $62/hr tech job she was unqualified for, but that Daddy used connections to get for her, and lived in a swell mansion in Hawaii.

Totally like Rosa Parks.

149 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:11:36pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

‘abq’ is Albuquerque for people in a hurry.

IATA codes, from the NWS by way of the FAA, can be found here.

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:13:16pm
151 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:14:59pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Yes. Any jobs available would have to be opened to all kids, not just those that “qualify”.

I would find it difficult to believe there are such jobs available at all.

FIRE ALL TEH YOONYUN JANOTORS AND TEH ILLEGAL ALIEN JANATORS AND PAY TEH POOR KIDS HALF WHAT THE GROWNUPS WAS GETTIN!!!!!!111 BECAUSE WHAT THEY NEED MINIMUM WAGE FOR??? IT’S JUST EXTRA CHANGE TO BUY MILKSHAKES AT TEH SODA SHOPPE & GAS UP TEH JALOPY TO IMPRESS TEH BABES!!!!111!!!!11

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:15:53pm

re: #144 b.d.

People in a hurry don’t talk about or even think of Albuquerque.

They just forget to turn left there.

153 Dr. Matt  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:16:38pm

Welcome to Texas: Idiotic Dad Makes Young Son Run Next To Car For “Football Training:

deadspin.com

Warning: this will likely piss you off.

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:17:23pm

re: #152 Feline Fearless Leader

They just forget to turn left there.

Thus proving themselves to be maroons.

155 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:17:30pm

re: #149 kirkspencer

IATA codes, from the NWS by way of the FAA, can be found here.

Oddly enough, there’s a town not too far from ABQ called Abiquiu, which I think is pronounced the way ABQ looks.

156 sagehen  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:19:13pm

re: #112 jaunte

Walking Dead The Best Defense Board Game

Zombie Bash Tablecover

Here’s an even better zombie game for the fannish runner:

It’s an app/podcast/game for your smartphone — it tells you stories of the other characters, describes the damaged buildings and chewed up people you’re passing as you jog, there’s a radio station that pulls songs from your favorites list, it uses GPS, and every so often it yells ZOMBIES!! RUN!! and you have to increase your speed by 20% for at least 2 minutes or they catch you.

157 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:20:05pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Sometimes I think they did away with vocational tracks to avoid training girls for those professions. I had to fight to get into drafting and woodshop classes in high school.

We weren’t even supposed to think about it in the ’50s, even though my mother, aunts and grandmother worked during WWII doing “men’s work”. : )

158 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:20:18pm

It’s not getting any better.

159 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:22:35pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Welcome to Texas: Idiotic Dad Makes Young Son Run Next To Car For “Football Training:

deadspin.com

Warning: this will likely piss you off.

Jesushchristonabicycle. What is that kid, 4? That’s child endangerment in my book.

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:22:41pm

Actual comment from wingnut over at Huffpo article:

“Kingston’s plan could create significant embarrassment for low-income children, who would be sweeping cafeteria floors while their wealthier peers did normal kid activities.”

Normal activities like part-time jobs? Stock work at the local Walgreens? We’re talking high school kids that are trying to scrape together gas money for the old jalopy they drive, or even to buy that old jalopy!

Do liberals actually understand the meaning and value of work?

161 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:22:53pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

It’s not getting any better.
Flamenco Institute bldg

Flamenco? Goes without saying.

162 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:23:30pm

Way back when I was in HS, our county had a very good Vocational Training Center. Lots of kids went there for everything —even “cosmotology” —office skills, and the guy stuff. Guess it’s still doing a bang-up job.

163 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:23:32pm

re: #156 sagehen

Here’s an even better zombie game for the fannish runner:

It’s an app/podcast/game for your smartphone — it tells you stories of the other characters, describes the damaged buildings and chewed up people you’re passing as you jog, there’s a radio station that pulls songs from your favorites list, it uses GPS, and every so often it yells ZOMBIES!! RUN!! and you have to increase your speed by 20% for at least 2 minutes or they catch you.

I like the board game version better. It can be made into much more of a social occasion and it requires strategery.

/Says the gamer.

164 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:24:52pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Jesushchristonabicycle. What is that kid, 4? That’s child endangerment in my book.

Forget it, JAH, it’s Texas.

165 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:27:48pm

I really hate this time of year. I’m so bored. Anything I do creates a mess and I have to take over the dining room. Which I can’t do because it’s all ready for the Holidays.

So, I guess you-all are stuck with me.

166 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:27:48pm

HURR HURR
No you idiot they will make TONS MOAR MONEY

167 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:28:53pm
168 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:29:49pm

re: #166 Lord of the Pies

Oh yes. A bunch of rich rednecks that are getting even richer on a reality show need prayers.

WTF.

169 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:30:05pm

re: #166 Lord of the Pies

HURR HURR
No you idiot they will make TONS MOAR MONEY

[Embedded content]

I really don’t understand this show.

I hear people talking about it — like at the doctor’s office. Doctors talking about the people in the show —really?

170 AlexRogan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:30:39pm

re: #111 Semper Fi

I’ve received several emails from “Order”, “Support Amazon”, “=Amazon Store”, and “=Support” thanking me for my amazon order and saying they’ll let me know when my item(s) have been dispatched.
I have “no” open Amazon orders.
Each email notification references a order #
Upon opening I see that same order # is not repeated but other numbers appear. Also they say I can click on Amazon.com (provided) to make any changes. These are obviously phony.
Anyone else getting these?

A couple of times, along with supposed delivery notifications from the USPS, FedEx, UPS, and DHL at times when I wasn’t expecting anything and even the occasional classic Nigerian scam spam; looking at the email headers is always instructive.

GMail’s spam filters are very good at keeping this crap out of my regular inbox.

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:32:54pm

Well even suppose “TEH BIG GHEY” comes for “Duck Dynasty” WHO CAN HAS TEH MOAR GUNZ?

172 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:34:30pm

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

I really don’t understand this show.

I hear people talking about it — like at the doctor’s office. Doctors talking about the people in the show —really?

I still think they look like ZZ Top wannabees—without the talent.

173 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:35:23pm

In Eastern and Central zones, a near-full moon is coming up, with Jupiter close behind. Cold and clear here.

174 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:36:03pm

re: #169 FemNaziBitch

I really don’t understand this show.

I hear people talking about it — like at the doctor’s office. Doctors talking about the people in the show —really?

There’s nothing to understand. It’s a bunch of bearded rednecks and their families who got rich of hunting gear spending their money and time being morons in the Louisiana swamps.

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:36:43pm

re: #174 Lidane

There’s nothing to understand. It’s a bunch of bearded rednecks and their families who got rich of hunting gear spending their money and time being morons in the Louisiana swamps.

Honey Boo Boo with facial hair.

176 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:37:21pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

Welcome to Texas: Idiotic Dad Makes Young Son Run Next To Car For “Football Training:

deadspin.com

Warning: this will likely piss you off.

I know that here in Texas people see football as both religion and life, but that’s fucking ridiculous. WTF.

177 Semper Fi  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:37:25pm

re: #170 AlexRogan

A couple of times, along with supposed delivery notifications from the USPS, FedEx, UPS, and DHL at times when I wasn’t expecting anything and even the occasional classic Nigerian scam spam; looking at the email headers is always instructive.

GMail’s spam filters are very good at keeping this crap out of my regular inbox.

Thank you. No delivery notifications as yet.

178 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:37:52pm

Bryan is way too fixated on other people’s buttholes.

179 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:39:57pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Honey Boo Boo with facial hair.

Unfair, as its been made clear Honey Boo-Boo isn’t anti-gay.

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:41:09pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Unfair, as its been made clear Honey Boo-Boo isn’t anti-gay.

It has other flaws.

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:42:28pm
182 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:44:53pm
183 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:52:43pm

re: #181 Lord of the Pies

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CENSORSHIP!!!

184 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:53:03pm

185 AlexRogan  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:57:09pm

re: #181 Lord of the Pies

If true, I fail to see the downside of this…

186 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:57:38pm

re: #184 Stoatly

The birdy came back!

187 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:57:42pm

Target Looking Into Security Breach

bits.blogs.nytimes.com

SAN FRANCISCO — Target is investigating a security breach involving stolen credit card and debit card information for millions of its customers, according to one person involved in the investigation.

“The breach, which was first reported Wednesday by Brian Krebs, a security blogger, began Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, and may be ongoing, according to the person involved in the investigation who was not authorized to speak about it.

“It is unclear whether Target’s online customers were affected. Cybercriminals appear to have targeted the point-of-sale systems in Target’s retail stores, which collect information from customers’ credit and debit cards, and potentially personal identification numbers, or PINs.”

188 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:58:00pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Unfair, as its been made clear Honey Boo-Boo isn’t anti-gay.

I would like to give you permission to stand down from your role today of defining who is and isn’t (or wasn’t) “anti-gay”.

189 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:58:45pm
190 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:00:05pm

re: #189 Lidane

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*rimshot*

191 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:00:10pm

Woohoo! I ordered two refurbished Canon lenses from Adorama and they sent a brand new version of the more expensive one. I called them up to let them know and it turns out it wasn’t a mistake—they couldn’t fulfill the order for the refurb, so they sent a new one (which costs twice as much).

192 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:01:18pm

One of the best MST3K episodes ever: “Last Clear Chance.”

Youtube Video

193 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:03:24pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

Woohoo! I ordered two refurbished Canon lenses from Adorama and they sent a brand new version of the more expensive one. I called them up to let them know and it turns out it wasn’t a mistake—they couldn’t fulfill the order for the refurb, so they sent a new one (which costs twice as much).

[Embedded image]

Let me guess, they sent you the 15-85 ‘cuz they were out of the 17-85? If so, sweet deal.

RBS

194 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:07:00pm

re: #188 bratwurst

I would like to give you permission to stand down from your role today of defining who is and isn’t (or wasn’t) “anti-gay”.

Sorry. It’s just that I read some articles about HBB and her family, and their acceptance of her uncle despite his being gay. I may also have been interjecting in order to get attention, which I sometimes do.

Sometimes I do self-analysis like this. I hope it doesn’t come across as pretentious.

195 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:07:17pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

The birdy came back!

Different bird! (well probably, unless it followed me round two lakes) - and so is this one:

196 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:08:45pm

re: #181 Lord of the Pies

A&E Suspends Phil Robertson Following Gay Remarks

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine.”

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

tsk, tsk, it’s getting so that it’s no longer possible to slander entire groups of people anymore without suffering criticism

197 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:08:59pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. It’s just that I read some articles about HBB and her family, and their acceptance of her uncle despite his being gay.

Upding for the fact you are prepared to footnote your assertion!

198 dog philosopher  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:09:07pm

re: #195 Stoatly

Different bird! (well probably, unless it followed me round two lakes) - and so is this one:[Embedded image]

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very nice leaf texture!

199 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:10:01pm

I wish. Nope, it was the 55-250mm, which is basically just a kit lens. Still, when bought separately it’s $299, but the refurb was only $159.

Those constitute the 2nd & 3rd lenses I’ve bought (in addition to the 18-55mm kits lens) since I go the camera a week ago.

Plus, I ordered around $150 of other gear. I tend to go overboard with new hobbies. Time to freaking stop.

Now if it would just stop snowing for a minute, maybe I could go out and take some pics… *sigh*

200 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:11:58pm

re: #198 dog philosopher

very nice leaf texture!

Heh, yeah, I can hear/feel them crunching from here.

201 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:12:20pm

Exclusive: Top Senate Democrats Break with White House and Circulate New Iran Sanctions Bill

Three top senators, including two Democrats, have begun circulating a draft of a new Iran sanctions bill that critics say could violate the terms of an agreement struck between Iran and the United States in Geneva last month. The bill, set for introduction by the Democratic chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, Robert Menendez of New Jersey, along with top sanctions hawks Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), defies the Obama administration’s repeated requests for Congress to hold off on any new legislation that could imperil last month’s interim nuclear pact with Iran while talks continue toward a comprehensive final deal. A copy of the bill, dubbed the Iran Nuclear Weapon Free Act of 2013, was obtained by Foreign Policy. The new sanctions, some of which amend the Pentagon budget on the cusp of passing Congress, are unlikely to come to a vote in the Senate this week in the final days of the 2013 session. Instead, the Senate would likely consider the measure after it returns on Jan. 6.

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:12:34pm

re: #199 CuriousLurker

I wish. Nope, it was the 55-250mm, which is basically just a kit lens. Still, when bought separately it’s $299, but the refurb was only $159.

Those constitute the 2nd & 3rd lenses I’ve bought (in addition to the 18-55mm kits lens) since I go the camera a week ago.

Plus, I ordered around $150 of other gear. I tend to go overboard with new hobbies. Time to freaking stop.

Now if it would just stop snowing for a minute, maybe I could go out and take some pics… *sigh*

That’s one reason the Feline Overlords allow you to purchase photography equipment.

203 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:16:15pm

If you have a little too much holiday cheer in your life tonight, you can turn to CNN and watch Glenn Greenwald petulantly insult Jeffrey Toobin on Anderson Cooper’s show in just a few moments…hard to imagine much of anything that would be less festive.

204 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:19:20pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, I can hear/feel them crunching from here.

205 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:21:36pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Charlesssssss, could we possibly have an option to view/search people’s Pages the similar to the way we do our own Pages dashboard?

Just wondering because sometimes I go back to look for something specific that I forgot to favorite and the large excerpts & inability to filter them make for tedious (and sometimes frustrating) scrolling. If we had a table layout option it would be really helpful to be able to sort by columns…

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:22:01pm

Let Teh Butthurt Begin!

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:22:23pm

Geeky thing of the day:

Board game reviews - by cats.

boardgamegeek.com

208 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:24:39pm

re: #178 Lord of the Pies

Bryan is way too fixated on other people’s buttholes.

Although it would still be an unacceptable breach of privacy, I might die of laughter if Anonymous or others of that sort got access to B. Fischer’s personal computer information and published it.

I’m sure there’s all kinds of material there that would be _very_ hard for Fischer to explain to the rubes he’s in the business of fleecing.

209 b.d.  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:27:07pm

re: #206 Lord of the Pies

Let Teh Butthurt Begin!

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Wow. Good for A&E.

So now the cause de jour is going to be Duck Dynasty, yesterday it was Chik-Fil-A?

210 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:28:57pm

211 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:29:04pm

re: #206 Lord of the Pies

Let Teh Butthurt Begin!

[Embedded content]

212 CuriousLurker  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:29:31pm

re: #206 Lord of the Pies

Let Teh Butthurt Begin!

[Embedded content]

How come criticism of Christianity or the behavior of some Christians is considered persecution and/or a war on Christianity, but criticism of non-Christians is just telling the truth and refusing to cave in to the PC police?

213 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:12pm

re: #196 dog philosopher

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine.”

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

tsk, tsk, it’s getting so that it’s no longer possible to slander entire groups of people anymore without suffering criticism

You know, who says they want to inherit the kingdom of god? I’m getting pretty tired of the assumption that we are all on the same age as far as god goes.

I prefer to be with my own kind: sinners with dogs.

214 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:17pm

re: #210 Stoatly

I feel like I’m on a train, looking out the window between comments.

215 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:27pm

re: #210 Stoatly

[Embedded image][Embedded image]

I WAAAAAANNNNNNNTTTT A NEW CAMERA!!!!!

216 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:53pm

As a replacement show for Duck Dynasty, how about a reality show of:

ME! My 9 Kids!

The Pie Dynasty or the Pieonist Overlords

Featuring:
A New Pie Every Week! (a cooking show!)
Exotic Ethnic Juice!
Alabama Wannabee Redneck!
Canadian Wingnut!
My Daughter The Nurse Practitioner!
My Other Daughter The Account Manager!
The Texraeli Son-In-Law!
The Old Man & His Pills!

It would make a great show, and you all would be in it too!

217 darthstar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:30:58pm
218 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:31:09pm

re: #212 CuriousLurker

How come criticism of Christianity or the behavior of some Christians is considered persecution and/or a war on Christianity, but criticism of non-Christians is just telling the truth and refusing to cave in to the PC police?

“Free speech for me, but not for thee”

It’s in the Wingnut Constitution (TM), I’m told.

219 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:32:41pm

little white fuzzy Canadian beebee!

220 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:34:15pm
221 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:34:42pm

re: #216 Pie-onist Overlord

As a replacement show for Duck Dynasty, how about a reality show of:

ME! My 9 Kids!

The Pie Dynasty or the Pieonist Overlords

Featuring:
A New Pie Every Week! (a cooking show!)
Exotic Ethnic Juice!
Alabama Wannabee Redneck!
Canadian Wingnut!
My Daughter The Nurse Practitioner!
My Other Daughter The Account Manager!
The Texraeli Son-In-Law!
The Old Man & His Pills!

It would make a great show, and you all would be in it too!

Needs more cats. ;p

222 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:35:41pm

re: #221 Feline Fearless Leader

Needs more cats. ;p

You can have YOUR show about cats, my show is about TEH PIE.

223 Stoatly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:39:30pm

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

I WAAAAAANNNNNNNTTTT A NEW CAMERA!!!!!

So do I!
It’s only an old olympus C70 point-n-shoot, these pix don’t bear blowing up too much

224 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:41:26pm

The Knights of Columbus: Crusaders for Discrimination

Some have charged that certain Knights of Columbus expenditures ignore the needs of parishes and parishioners. This was the case with the $3 million grant the order made to the US bishops for an antiabortion campaign run by Hill & Knowlton, a major public relations firm—billed as a public information campaign. More recently, the Knights’ pursuit of a slanted version of “religious freedom” is expressed in a rhetoric of persecution and isolation.
… .
There has always been a certain tension between these values. Around
1910, anti-Catholic sentiments grew within the largely Protestant Progressive movement. Around the same time, the Supreme Knight, in a speech to an organizational assembly, declared that the Knights had a responsibility to fight the rise of socialism because socialism equated to anti-Catholicism, a view echoed in the Knights’ newspaper, the Columbiad. The notion of “Columbianism,” which sought to draw a connection between a free-market brand of patriotism and Catholicism, became cemented within the order.

225 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:55:42pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

I’m not a ‘misanthrope.’ That sounds like a word annoying people use. And I hate annoying people. And all people, now that you mention it.

Me? I’m a Mr. Anthrope.

226 EPR-radar  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:57:08pm

re: #225 BongCrodny

Me? I’m a Mr. Anthrope.

Reminds me of the oldie:

Q: If an unhappy employee is disgruntled, does that mean a happy employee is ‘gruntled’?

227 Lidane  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:59:09pm
228 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:01:22pm

re: #196 dog philosopher

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong… Sin becomes fine.”

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

tsk, tsk, it’s getting so that it’s no longer possible to slander entire groups of people anymore without suffering criticism

Dollars to donuts Phil would find some way to explain away the part in the bible about rich men and the kingdom of heaven.

229 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:15:59pm

re: #202 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s one reason the Feline Overlords allow you to purchase photography equipment.

[Embedded image]

I just got an OLD 70-210 F4. Made in ‘99, super nice lens. No IS of course, and I had forgotten how much I have gotten used to that. Had to go back to basics. Thing is, they only made that particular lens for about 3 years, then released a less expensive version of it. It’s not “L” series glass, but probably 80% the image quality for about 20% the price.

It is easy to go overboard, when I started I worked at it for years with a 28-84 (17-55 equiv), a 70-210 (40-130 equiv), a 50 and a 2x doubler. Handled pretty much everything I needed. Now my standard lens is a 17-85 on the T1i and a 15-85 on the 60d. I’ll toss the 17-55 on if I’m indoors and want something a bit lighter. The 70-210 covers all I need in distance (Hell that’s the equiv of a 300+mm lens back in film. If I can’t get it with that, I’m too far away.

I do have one of the worst lenses canon ever made however. I’ve an old 24-90 from one of the first series of rebel cameras. It’s sliver and I’ll just say that the image is a bit soft. I actually do like it for some people pics I’ve done where a little less detail is a good thing. I think I paid 40 bucks for it, and it’s worth it.

Have fun, remember however, it’s all about seeing the image, refining it, and then making the picture. Digital makes it easy to shoot a ton, but I still go out sometimes and try to make everyone “JUST” what I was trying for. Don’t come close, but it’s a good exercise.

RBS


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