New Mexico State Supreme Court Rules Same-Sex Marriage Legal

‘We hold that the State of New Mexico is constitutionally required to allow same-gender couples to marry…’
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The New Mexico Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage, legalizing it throughout the state.

The ruling was handed down Thursday, capping off a whirlwhind few months that catapulted New Mexico into the national discussion on same-sex marriage. This makes New Mexico the 17th state in the country to legalize same-sex marriage.

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The ruling denied an argument that same-sex marriage would be detrimental to children and said that saying they could not procreate is not a valid argument.

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208 comments

1 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:28:55am

wrenchwench,

Another victory for marriage equality.

2 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:44:05am

Seventeen!

Remember when Howard Dean’s support for civil unions allegedly made him unelectable? Remember when we were all OMG HOLY SHIT, IOWA, WHOA!

2004. 2009. Yesterday, really.

3 calochortus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:44:49am

Yay!

What else can I say?

4 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:45:56am

Hell, four different states have provided for gay marriage since Minnesota enacted their same-sex marriage statute.

THAT WAS 140 DAYS AGO.

5 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:47:37am

re: #4 erik_t

Hell, four different states have provided for gay marriage since Minnesota enacted their same-sex marriage statute.

THAT WAS 140 DAYS AGO.

Yep.

The last places to allow it will be in the Bible Belt, and that most likely will only come about as the result of a SCOTUS ruling.

Good on New Mexico.

6 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:48:24am

17 down, 33 to go.

Awesome news.

7 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:48:36am

re: #2 erik_t

Seventeen!

Remember when Howard Dean’s support for civil unions allegedly made him unelectable? Remember when we were all OMG HOLY SHIT, IOWA, WHOA!

2004. 2009. Yesterday, really.

I remember back during the Bush admin, when there was so much rejoice from the wingnuts about this state or that one passing laws or amendments to their constitutions banning gay marriage. Declared MA to be the lone hold-out and the “tide turning” in favor of a federal ban.

8 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:48:59am

:) My SO is the clerk this year for one of the justices. Super proud right now.

9 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:49:22am

re: #6 Lidane

17 down, 33 to go.

Awesome news.

And, if you believe Wikipedia, 37.9% of the U.S. population is already there.

Pretty dang cool.

10 calochortus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:49:32am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

The last places to allow it will be in the Bible Belt, and that most likely will only come about as the result of a SCOTUS ruling.

Good on New Mexico.

Which is what I was just about to post. I will merely upding you instead.

11 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:49:41am

I had a customer in the shop who got an alert on her phone. She looked at it and said, ‘Oh. Same sex marriage is legal in New Mexico now. Woo hoo!’ That’s how I found out.

12 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:50:06am

re: #7 Targetpractice

I remember back during the Bush admin, when there was so much rejoice from the wingnuts about this state or that one passing laws or amendments to their constitutions banning gay marriage. Declared MA to be the lone hold-out and the “tide turning” in favor of a federal ban.

The neat thing about being a progressive is that, in the final analysis, we pretty much always win.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:50:11am

re: #3 calochortus

Yay!

What else can I say?

I almost finished the post with ‘Yippee!’

14 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:50:24am
15 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:50:30am

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.

16 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:51:17am

re: #8 SpaceJesus

:) My SO is the clerk this year for one of the justices. Super proud right now.

Congratulations!

Partying tonight?

17 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:51:47am

re: #16 wrenchwench

A little. Too much court tomorrow :(

18 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:52:05am
19 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:52:13am

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.

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Guys, let me level with you: Most women I’ve met are not comfortable around guns, period. No amount of talking to them, cajoling them, or offering to take them to the range will change that. You want to keep them safe, get them a can of mace or a taser.

20 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:52:49am

re: #17 SpaceJesus

A little. Too much court tomorrow :(

It will add to the Festive Season.

21 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:53:08am

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.

Mmmmhmmm. And when I bought my wife a circular saw for Christmas to “board up the windows to keep out the looters after civilization breaks down”, she tooooootally bought it, and I totally didn’t end up on the couch for a week.

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:54:41am

Brought to you by the same folks who think that banning abortion means women won’t have them:

23 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:54:46am

Wait, there’s a NEW Mexico now?!?!

//

24 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:55:00am

re: #10 calochortus

Which is what I was just about to post. I will merely upding you instead.

I figure in less than a decade from now, SCOTUS will make a ruling in favor of SSM nationwide, holding that state or local laws against SSM are unconstitutional, and striking them all down in one fell swoop.

And that’s that.

25 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:55:21am
The ruling denied an argument that same-sex marriage would be detrimental to children and said that saying they could not procreate is not a valid argument.

So in other words, the ruling expressed common fucking sense.

If the gay-marriage opponents were going to come up with a decent argument against it (and “THE BIBLE SAYS SO!” is not a decent argument in a secular republic), they probably would have by now. It’s over. Mississippi will have gay marriage within 2 decades. Maybe one.

26 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:55:53am

fox news disingenuousness:

Why are people who preach tolerance the least tolerant?

because, moron, my ‘tolerance’ does not extend to bigots

27 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:56:34am
28 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:56:47am

THIS IS A DANGEROUS IDIOT.

29 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:56:47am

re: #26 dog philosopher

fox news disingenuousness:

Why are people who preach tolerance the least tolerant?

because, moron, my ‘tolerance’ does not extend to bigots

TOLERANCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:57:02am

God is working up some serious smiting once we reach the Gay Marriage Tipping Point.

Maybe he will cause the earth to warm, not because we are generating too much CO2, but because we are allowing too many sodomites to marry.

/

31 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:57:09am

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.

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Well, it certainly fits in with the theory that someone armed to the teeth is compensating for a penis that can only be measured in microns.

32 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:57:10am

I would encourage all ducks to go to New Mexico rather than Louisiana.

33 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:58:33am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Guys, let me level with you: Most women I’ve met are not comfortable around guns, period. No amount of talking to them, cajoling them, or offering to take them to the range will change that. You want to keep them safe, get them a can of mace or a taser.

Nah, give me a fucking baseball bat. : )

34 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:58:35am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

Brought to you by the same folks who think that banning abortion means women won’t have them:

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Wow, just look at that colossal waste of money!

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 11:58:58am

I did actually have my home broken into.
All they stole was the TV.
I went out and bought….
MOAR INSURANCE!!!

Also too: home invaders prefer to not break into a home where the people are, they wait until you are away on vacation and then they break in and STEAL ALL TEH GUNZ.

36 palomino  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:01:05pm

Great. That makes 17 states (plus DC) and counting.

The contrast between red and blue states is astonishing. Of the ~25 blue states, 70% now have same sex marriage, and most other blue states have civil unions.

Of the ~25 red states, zero percent have gay marriage. None even have civil unions. Talk about two Americas, one moving forward (along with most of the rest of the developed world)…and the other firmly stuck in the past, unwilling to budge even in the case of committed people who love each other.

Before too long, the entire north will have SSM or at least civil unions, as well as many western states.

OTOH, the south has none of this. The map on marriage equality is beginning to look like a pre-civil war map: free states in the north, slave states in the south. Really sad for half the country. But a civil rights victory for the other half.

37 calochortus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:01:06pm

I was interested to note there isn’t a whole lot of discussion of this over on FR. Hundreds and hundreds of Duck Dynasty posts and maybe a dozen about SS marriage.

38 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:02:33pm
39 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:02:37pm

re: #37 calochortus

I was interested to note there isn’t a whole lot of discussion of this over on FR. Hundreds and hundreds of Duck Dynasty posts and maybe a dozen about SS marriage.

Occasionally, the right knows a loss when they see it.

40 calochortus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:03:02pm

re: #39 erik_t

Occasionally, the right knows a loss when they see it.

We can only hope.

41 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:03:17pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And now for something completely insane: If You Support Freedom and Gays - You’ll Join A&E Boycott | the Gateway Pundit

Because the best way to support Duck Dynasty is by not watching the show.

Brilliant!

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:03:39pm

re: #37 calochortus

I was interested to note there isn’t a whole lot of discussion of this over on FR. Hundreds and hundreds of Duck Dynasty posts and maybe a dozen about SS marriage.

They may be including this in their Duck Dynasty posts: HURR HURR NEW MEXICO HAS BEEN OVERRUN BY TEH GHEY!!!!!! PHIL WUZ RIGHT!!!11!!!

43 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:03:40pm

re: #37 calochortus

I was interested to note there isn’t a whole lot of discussion of this over on FR. Hundreds and hundreds of Duck Dynasty posts and maybe a dozen about SS marriage.

That’s because they are unibrows uni-taskers and can only handle one outrage at a time. More than that, they go into a positive feedback cycle and explode into a burst of dynamic derpism.

RBS

44 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:03:55pm
45 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:04:03pm

re: #36 palomino

Great. That makes 17 states (plus DC) and counting.

The contrast between red and blue states is astonishing. Of the ~25 blue states, 70% now have same sex marriage, and most other blue states have civil unions.

Of the ~25 red states, zero percent have gay marriage. None even have civil unions. Talk about two Americas, one moving forward (along with most of the rest of the developed world)…and the other firmly stuck in the past, unwilling to budge even in the case of committed people who love each other.

Before too long, the entire north will have SSM or at least civil unions, as well as many western states.

OTOH, the south has none of this. The map on marriage equality is beginning to look like a pre-civil war map: free states in the north, slave states in the south. Really sad for half the country. But a civil rights victory for the other half.

Very true, but eventually the Supreme Court will settle the matter, and I predict most likely, in favor of SSM nationwide, and those red states that have laws/state constitutional amendments against SSM will find those laws/state constitutional amendments meaningless in the wake of a SCOTUS ruling.

46 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:04:12pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And now for something completely insane: If You Support Freedom and Gays - You’ll Join A&E Boycott | the Gateway Pundit

If I boycott bullshit television, do I have to do it for their reasons?

47 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:04:20pm

re: #36 palomino

I would wager that within 5 years, you see a split in the “red” states, as the non-Mormon mountain west states with their “let me do as I want on my land and shoot what critters I want” ethos will drop the resistance to gays being married. The Bible Belt will hold firm much longer.

Keep an eye on Montana. For whatever reason, I feel like it would be the most open to gay marriage of the blood-red states.

48 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:04:23pm

re: #37 calochortus

Not sure whether to laugh or cry about this development.

49 Flying Squirrel Girl  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:04:41pm

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

When I was 18 and home over the Xmas holidays, someone broke into the house while I was home alone during the day (I did what you are NEVER supposed to do, and pretended like no one was home because I didn’t recognize the truck or the guys in it). I was talking to a friend on the phone when the incessant knocking stopped and I heard the sound of wood cracking and saw the shadow of the front door swing open. While one guy drove the truck into the backyard, the other came walking into the hallway and saw me crouched beside the bed, on the phone waiting for a 911 operator. He ran, jumped in the truck, and they sped off.

I have often thought how differently that day could have turned out if either one of us had had a gun.

I always tell people my view on gun ownership is shaped by experience, not fear of what MIGHT happen.

50 Mattand  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:05:00pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And now for something completely insane: If You Support Freedom and Gays - You’ll Join A&E Boycott | the Gateway Pundit

I saw this earlier. I was intrigued by the concept that someone would be batshit crazy enough to somehow insist that homophobic speech is beneficial for gay people.

Then I decided not to break my brain. Has anyone been brave enough to decipher Dim Jim-ese into the Common Tongue? ‘Cause I sure as shit ain’t doing it.

51 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:05:36pm

re: #47 Ian G.

Keep an eye on Montana. For whatever reason, I feel like it would be the most open to gay marriage of the blood-red states.

I completely agree.

(I have no idea why.)

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:06:10pm

Hold the phone THIS IS TEH MOAST INSANE TWEET OF TEH WHOLE DAY

53 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:06:27pm

re: #51 erik_t

Although Arizona is young and not super duper religious. They’re too busy hating brown people to really care about gays. At least one of the major cities in Phoenix has had an openly gay mayor.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:06:40pm

Go fuck yourself Bryan with Phil Robertson’s duck whistle.

55 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:06:43pm

Name that fallacy!


rawstory.com

What we should not shy away from is that Phil Robertson articulated very Biblical doctrine. He referenced scripture. Homosexual acts are, in fact, sinful according to the Bible. And as society begins to openly tolerate as normal things that really are not normal behaviors, society tends to start loosening up across the board as it descends down a slippery slope.

56 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:06:51pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

what do you mean “we”, kemosabe?

57 calochortus  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:07:09pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Hold the phone THIS IS TEH MOAST INSANE TWEET OF TEH WHOLE DAY

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There’s a lot of competition for that honor, isn’t there?

58 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:07:23pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.

So, you mean to tell me that TGDN is still a mutherf0cking hashtag on the loony right?

59 Mattand  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:07:40pm
60 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Hold the phone THIS IS TEH MOAST INSANE TWEET OF TEH WHOLE DAY

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That’s straight up Westboro Baptist theology right there. The WBC nutters are convinced that when the world ends, they will be the only ones standing at God’s side and they will cast judgement on everyone else, sending the rest of the world to Hell.

61 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:08:32pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Did you expect anything different? It’s cognitive dissonance, flawed logic and reasoning, and ignorance about law on full display. What could go wrong?

62 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:08:44pm

re: #58 Bulworth

So, you mean to tell me that TGDN is still a mutherf0cking hashtag on the loony right?

NEBER FURGHET!

63 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:08:53pm

re: #59 Mattand

That link was messed up in the original post, but I fixed it…

64 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:09:03pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

So ‘winning the war’ someday is like losing it today, right? The goalposts, they are a movin.

65 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:09:17pm

And the walls came tumbling down…..

The centuries-old edifice of institutional homophobia is disintegrating before our eyes. Before long, it will no longer be possible for power seekers to enforce conformity by stigmatizing non-conformist behavior as “gay.” That, not the ancient dictates of the Bible, is what it is really about.

Freedom for gays is freedom for everyone.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:09:32pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Very true, but eventually the Supreme Court will settle the matter, and I predict most likely, in favor of SSM nationwide, and those red states that have laws/state constitutional amendments against SSM will find those laws/state constitutional amendments meaningless in the wake of a SCOTUS ruling.

They will then take the opportunity to fund raise and whine about the “activist court” destroying America.
///

67 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:10:05pm

re: #62 Kragar

I bet the tcot’s don’t even remember what TGDN means.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:10:11pm

If Teh Home Invaders come to my house I will hit them with a Pie In The Face!
Youtube Video

69 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:10:12pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

70 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:10:29pm
71 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:10:29pm

re: #53 erik_t

Although Arizona is young and not super duper religious. They’re too busy hating brown people to really care about gays. At least one of the major cities in Phoenix has had an openly gay mayor.

I also wonder about Utah, because a) it seems to be attracting a lot of non-Mormon educated techie types, and b) you know the LDS church can turn on a dime if they sense a change in the political winds, as they did with institutional racism in 1978 (not that I’m saying they will).

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:11:05pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel

And the walls came tumbling down…..

The centuries-old edifice of institutional homophobia is disintegrating before our eyes. Before long, it will no longer be possible for power seekers to enforce conformity by stigmatizing non-conformist behavior as “gay.” That, not the ancient dictates of the Bible, is what it is really about.

Freedom for gays is freedom for everyone.

I really am curious as to how this will play out in ‘16. Will Democrats finally have the balls to stand up and say “I support gay marriage”? No more of this mush mouth “Leave it to the states” or half-assed “I support civil unions,” but actually saying “I think two consenting adults who love each other should be allowed to wed, period.”

73 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:11:34pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Very true, but eventually the Supreme Court will settle the matter, and I predict most likely, in favor of SSM nationwide, and those red states that have laws/state constitutional amendments against SSM will find those laws/state constitutional amendments meaningless in the wake of a SCOTUS ruling.

I suspect that it will go the way Loving v. Virginia will, leave state to get married, marriage not valid in home state. It’s interesting that the rate of acceptance for SSM and the rate at which it is becoming accepted by people very closely matches the progression over time on Interracial marriage, just a lot faster.

SSM:

Interracial:

Just my .02 on a day I can’t stand to be inside on…

RBS

74 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:11:36pm

re: #58 Bulworth

So, you mean to tell me that TGDN is still a mutherf0cking hashtag on the loony right?

What a dumb ad. Besides the more obvious flaws, a snub nose hammerless revolver is almost the worst choice for self defense.

75 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:11:42pm

re: #71 Ian G.

I also wonder about Utah, because a) it seems to be attracting a lot of non-Mormon educated techie types, and b) you know the LDS church can turn on a dime if they sense a change in the political winds, as they did with institutional racism in 1978 (not that I’m saying they will).

This is a very, very good point.

76 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:12:49pm

re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader

They will then take the opportunity to fund raise and whine about the “activist court” destroying America.
///

Actually, they will probably will do just that. But just as how laws against interracial marriage were struck down by the Supreme Court, so laws against SSM will be as well, and there won’t be a damned thing they can do about it except whine and have an epic butthurt meltdown.

Let them scream. I for one will cheerfully ignore them as they fade into historic oblivion.

77 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:12:51pm

re: #70 Kragar

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Because every one of those agents on his detail live in D.C.? Feed that tribble on your head, Donald, it’s looking famished.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:13:06pm

How many of Teh Donald’s employees are forced to work on Christmas?

79 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:13:09pm

re: #70 Kragar

Doesn’t he have a business to run [into the ground]? But he’s still getting bent out of shape by the President going home to Hawaii?

The USSS goes with the president anywhere they go. Meaning that if they were on duty when GWB went to Texas, they’d be away from their families for the holidays. Or the Clintons when they went to AR or NYC. Or GHWB to Maine.

What an asshat. But I repeat myself.

80 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:13:10pm

re: #70 Kragar

Maybe they are just using Jewish and Muslm Secret Service agents.

Sardaukar.

81 GunstarGreen  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:13:11pm

re: #34 Kragar

Wow, just look at that colossal waste of money!

I like all of the rail systems so that the person that owns that collection can feel all TACTICOOL. I’m sure it’ll really help with battling that deer, or whatever.

82 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:14:47pm

This is such wonderful news!

We couldn’t have imagined 45 years ago that this would be happening and SSM would be a reality—that was a dream.

Lesbians and gays had to sneak around to the couple of gay bars to meet up and then had to put up with the straights who came to ogle, or the “bi-curious” types. We did open a women’s center in 1971 for various reasons, and so it didn’t have to be a bar scene for women and there was support.

83 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:14:52pm
84 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:14:56pm
85 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:15:13pm
86 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:15:14pm

re: #73 RealityBasedSteve

I suspect that it will go the way Loving v. Virginia will, leave state to get married, marriage not valid in home state. It’s interesting that the rate of acceptance for SSM and the rate at which it is becoming accepted by people very closely matches the progression over time on Interracial marriage, just a lot faster.

SSM:
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Interracial:
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Just my .02 on a day I can’t stand to be inside on…

RBS

That’s my prediction as well; that eventually, SSM will be settled along the lines of Loving v. Virginia.

87 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:15:56pm

re: #40 calochortus

We can only hope.

Either that, or they really buy into that “Duck Dynasty” bullshit and intend to support them at all costs.

88 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:16:25pm

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth in Lubbock, which is 78% GOP and only about 60 miles from the New Mexico line.

89 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:16:27pm

re: #60 Lidane

That’s straight up Westboro Baptist theology right there. The WBC nutters are convinced that when the world ends, they will be the only ones standing at God’s side and they will cast judgement on everyone else, sending the rest of the world to Hell.

To some extent, but its roots are specifically from Dominionism/Christian Reconstructionism. Their founder, R J Rushdoony was a far right bigot with leanings toward antisemitism and Christian Identity-flavored racism. Its tenets are the foundation of the organizations that set policy for the Religious Right. They have repeatedly stated that their ultimate goal is to make the US into their own version of an Christian Theocracy.

Two quotes:


90 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:16:29pm
91 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:16:43pm
92 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:17:55pm

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

That’s my prediction as well; that eventually, SSM will be settled along the lines of Loving v. Virginia.

Not to mention that a state allowing/banning SSM will start having economic/business effects. Like couples married in a SSM-allowing state refusing to relocate or transfer to one that does not recognize it.

Hmm, by that measure I expect Florida will probably be the first state in the Old South to crack.

93 GunstarGreen  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18:17pm

re: #49 Flying Squirrel Girl

When I was 18 and home over the Xmas holidays, someone broke into the house while I was home alone during the day (I did what you are NEVER supposed to do, and pretended like no one was home because I didn’t recognize the truck or the guys in it). I was talking to a friend on the phone when the incessant knocking stopped and I heard the sound of wood cracking and saw the shadow of the front door swing open. While one guy drove the truck into the backyard, the other came walking into the hallway and saw me crouched beside the bed, on the phone waiting for a 911 operator. He ran, jumped in the truck, and they sped off.

I have often thought how differently that day could have turned out if either one of us had had a gun.

I always tell people my view on gun ownership is shaped by experience, not fear of what MIGHT happen.

When I came home from my last semester of college, I found a trash bag over one of the windows of our back door (my mother lived in one half of a duplex at the time). Turns out she’d been robbed the night before, somebody had smashed in the window, unlocked the door, come in and taken her cheapo cubic zirconium jewelry. Nothing of any real value, thank god, despite there being thousands of dollars worth of accumulated electronics in the home.

They came back the next night, presumably to finish the job — except that I was there (Mom worked two jobs including an overnight shift at the time). I heard them trying to jimmy the lock with a paint spreader. As we keep no weapons of any kind in the house, I improvised by wielding the battery-powered weed whacker as a crude club. Didn’t need to use it though — one solid pound on the inside of the door sent the guy(s) running, leaving the paint spreader stuck in the door jamb.

Turns out that you don’t need guns to defend your home. the vast majority of break-and-enter types are colossal cowards that flee at the first sign of resistance.

94 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18:24pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

Forget all the Duck Dynasty Tweets. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY.


Wow! Something that is designed to kill people is supposed to be romantic? Its the perfect gift for your murdering psychopath girl friend.

anyway, I hope they don’t try to combine guns and “making love.”

95 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18:41pm

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

Florida is ollllllld though, and if there’s anything that’s nearly as predictive of opposition to SSM as GOPism, it’s being old.

96 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18:47pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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I wonder if Chik-fil-A will now offer duck sandwiches.

97 palomino  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:18:59pm

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

How many of Teh Donald’s employees are forced to work on Christmas?

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Just more selective bullshit outrage from a nut job.

Somehow Obama is evil when he does the exact same things that his predecessors did. See playing golf, taking any kind of trip anywhere, having a wife who’s a fashion plate (like Jackie and Nancy), etc.

98 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:19:33pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Doctor, get me a Karpman Drama Triangle, stat!
en.wikipedia.org

99 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:19:34pm

re: #89 RadicalModerate

So for those two, The Handmaid’s Tale was a utopian work about an ideal society, not a dystopian theocratic nightmare like it would be for the rest of us?

Got it.

100 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:19:54pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR


I Couldn’t be any less surprised.

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:20:02pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if Chik-fil-A will now offer duck sandwiches.

If Chick Fil A really followed all the Bible teachings, they would have a kosher certification.

So I am really glad they don’t.

102 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:20:08pm

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

How many of Teh Donald’s employees are forced to work on Christmas?

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Unlike all of those Secret Service agents who had families living in Crawford or Kennebunkport.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:20:31pm
104 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:20:39pm

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention that a state allowing/banning SSM will start having economic/business effects. Like couples married in a SSM-allowing state refusing to relocate or transfer to one that does not recognize it.

Hmm, by that measure I expect Florida will probably be the first state in the Old South to crack.

Florida could well be the first state in the Old South to crack.

105 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:20:59pm

And to think Phil Robertson spent a few years showering with Terry Bradshaw on a regular basis.

106 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:22:20pm
107 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:22:28pm
108 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:22:50pm

re: #93 GunstarGreen

When I came home from my last semester of college, I found a trash bag over one of the windows of our back door (my mother lived in one half of a duplex at the time). Turns out she’d been robbed the night before, somebody had smashed in the window, unlocked the door, come in and taken her cheapo cubic zirconium jewelry. Nothing of any real value, thank god, despite there being thousands of dollars worth of accumulated electronics in the home.

They came back the next night, presumably to finish the job — except that I was there (Mom worked two jobs including an overnight shift at the time). I heard them trying to jimmy the lock with a paint spreader. As we keep no weapons of any kind in the house, I improvised by wielding the battery-powered weed whacker as a crude club. Didn’t need to use it though — one solid pound on the inside of the door sent the guy(s) running, leaving the paint spreader stuck in the door jamb.

Turns out that you don’t need guns to defend your home. the vast majority of break-and-enter types are colossal cowards that flee at the first sign of resistance.

I’ve never slept in a dark house, always leaving a light on somewhere. Never been broken into, either, even when I didn’t have a dog.

Burglars do not like to think there is anyone home, because as you say, they’re scared to death when they’re committing these crimes because most are rank amateurs. They don’t like light, and they don’t like dogs or any other noise going on inside.

109 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:22:57pm

re: #106 darthstar

No wonder they’re pissed.

110 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:24:29pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

Burglars do not like to think there is anyone home, because as you say, they’re scared to death when they’re committing these crimes because most are rank amateurs. They don’t like light, and they don’t like dogs or any other noise going on inside.

They’re not scared to death; they’re smart.

Robbery is a crime punished far more severely than simple burglary.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:24:48pm

After our TV was stolen, the police officer who took our report gave us a bunch of tips on securing the house to prevent any more thefts. “Buy a gun” was not one of them.

112 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:25:02pm
113 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:26:14pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

After our TV was stolen, the police officer who took our report gave us a bunch of tips on securing the house to prevent any more thefts. “Buy a gun” was not one of them.

Well obviously. If everyone had a gun, we wouldn’t need cops. He’s just looking out for his job.

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114 jaunte  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:27:07pm

Matt Taibbi:

“Conservatives have always had trouble grasping the difference between public censorship and private enterprise. With a few exceptions, like whistleblower laws and National Labor Relations Board protections against being fired for off-site discussions about work conditions (exceptions that, in almost every case, conservatives bitterly opposed), there is no legal or constitutional right to free speech on private property.

You can be fired for calling your boss a dick, and you can just as easily be let go by a profit-seeking media company for imperiling its relationship with advertisers. And incidentally, this is the way true conservatives, and especially true hardcore speech advocates, have always wanted it.”

Read more: rollingstone.com

115 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:28:38pm

re: #23 b.d.

Wait, there’s a >NEW Mexico now?!?!

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When Mexico gets statehood, there will surely be some confusion.

116 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:29:15pm

The basketball I can understand. The empty food containers? Really?

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:29:56pm

re: #115 abolitionist

When Mexico gets statehood, there will surely be some confusion.

It will be like the Star Wars Triolgies…

118 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:30:24pm

re: #23 b.d.

Wait, there’s a >NEW Mexico now?!?!

//

My brother and his family moved to NM a couple years back, and tell me that when people hear they live in New Mexico, they ask whether they need passports to come to the US.

Sheesh.

Mind you, my other brother lives in Hawaii, and probably hears the same thing.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:31:13pm

re: #114 jaunte

Matt Taibbi:

You see, they feel that nobody should get fired for speaking the True Word of God or acting according to their True Christian conscience.

That is the root of their line of argumentation.

120 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:31:26pm

re: #117 Sol Berdinowitz

It will be like the Star Wars Triolgies…

As long as it’s not like New Coke.

121 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:32:15pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

After our TV was stolen, the police officer who took our report gave us a bunch of tips on securing the house to prevent any more thefts. “Buy a gun” was not one of them.

I have something similar to one of these monsters as the deadbolt on the door. The bolts are three inches long and they go into not only the steel doorjamb, but into the concrete around the doorjamb as well. Image: M1061_3_Pins_Security_Deadbolt_Lock.jpg_250x250.jpg It’s Russian-made; it’s got Cyrillic writing on it.

The entry door itself to my apartment is steel - as is, quite oddly, that of my neighbor’s apartment, which certainly makes me wonder what these two apartments were used for in the past.

122 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:32:19pm
123 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:32:31pm

re: #114 jaunte

Matt Taibbi:

“Conservatives have always had trouble grasping the difference between public censorship and private enterprise. With a few exceptions, like whistleblower laws and National Labor Relations Board protections against being fired for off-site discussions about work conditions (exceptions that, in almost every case, conservatives bitterly opposed), there is no legal or constitutional right to free speech on private property.

You can be fired for calling your boss a dick, and you can just as easily be let go by a profit-seeking media company for imperiling its relationship with advertisers. And incidentally, this is the way true conservatives, and especially true hardcore speech advocates, have always wanted it.

Except when it affects them for shit that they say, then it’s oppression.

124 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:32:38pm

re: #115 abolitionist

When Mexico gets statehood, there will surely be some confusion.

No problem. Mexico becomes “Newer Mexico”, New Mexico becomes “Previously Used Mexico” and everything is shiny again.

RBS

125 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:33:41pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

No problem. Mexico becomes “Newer Mexico”, New Mexico becomes “Previously Used Mexico” and everything is shiny again.

RBS

Mexico Classic

126 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:34:15pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

No problem. Mexico becomes “Newer Mexico”, New Mexico becomes “Previously Used Mexico” and everything is shiny again.

RBS

We could use the California model. What is now Old Mexico will become Baja Mexico.

127 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:34:16pm

re: #122 Lidane

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Very true! I can’t remember a single discussion about gay rights with a winger that didn’t involve them trying to tell me about what gay guys do with each other.

Looking back on it, I should have said something like, “Really? You know, that sounds like fun!”

128 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:34:47pm

re: #125 b.d.

Mexico Classic

Made with cane sugar, not HFCS.

129 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:36:03pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

No problem. Mexico becomes “Newer Mexico”, New Mexico becomes “Previously Used Mexico” and everything is shiny again.

RBS

Certified Pre-owned Mexico.

130 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:36:17pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

No problem. Mexico becomes “Newer Mexico”, New Mexico becomes “Previously Used Certified Pre-Owned Mexico” and everything is shiny again.

RBS

FTFY

Edit: Got ninja’d, damnit ;-P

131 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:36:23pm

re: #125 b.d.

Mexico Classic

But then the south is going to call every state Mexico, and it’s going to be confusing as all get-out.

132 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:36:38pm

Uh-oh. 3 posts in a row. better get back to work.

133 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:36:58pm

re: #130 AlexRogan

FTFY

14 seconds, bitch!
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134 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:38:12pm
135 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:38:35pm
136 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:39:01pm

re: #133 GeneJockey

14 seconds, bitch!
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Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy!

/Lord John Whorfin

137 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:39:19pm

re: #135 Lidane

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“And he’s a fat white guy with a buzzcut and ugly glasses!”

138 A Mom Anon  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:41:03pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

So if everyone boycotts A&E then wouldn’t that effect Duck Dynasty’s ratings in a negative way? Please Proceed then oh wingy little wingnuts, proceed….

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:41:12pm

re: #93 GunstarGreen


dammit. I was hoping your story ended with the crooks opening the door and getting a face full of full-throttle operational weed whacker…

140 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:41:45pm

re: #127 GeneJockey

Very true! I can’t remember a single discussion about gay rights with a winger that didn’t involve them trying to tell me about what gay guys do with each other.

Looking back on it, I should have said something like, “Really? You know, that sounds like fun!”

Anybody who tells me “Part A can ONLY go into Slot B” and any other combination is wrong…. that tells me a lot about what kind of lover they must be. (and I feel sorry for their partner)

RBS

141 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:42:13pm

re: #136 AlexRogan

Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy!

/Lord John Whorfin

lol.

Hey…..that’s my line.

:p

142 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:43:53pm

Developing:

A balcony collapsed at a London theater during a performance. Injuries have been reported.

itv.com

143 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:47:13pm

re: #106 darthstar

Once again, I implore David Frum to come over to the sane (re: Democratic) side, at least until the teabaggers are done self-immolating. Then he and Bruce Bartlett and Andrew Sullivan can go form a sane conservative party (which, when you think about it, would probably count our current president among its members).

144 kirkspencer  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:48:31pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

I’ve never slept in a dark house, always leaving a light on somewhere. Never been broken into, either, even when I didn’t have a dog.

Burglars do not like to think there is anyone home, because as you say, they’re scared to death when they’re committing these crimes because most are rank amateurs. They don’t like light, and they don’t like dogs or any other noise going on inside.

(It’s a day for repeating rants)

It’s not just the amateurs. Getting into a fight with someone means hospitals, witnesses, and potential death. You don’t need a gun for a burglar, you just need to convince them your house isn’t a good target tonight. Locks and dogs and alarms, oh my.

On the other hand you need some sort of defense for the intruders for whom the primary target is you. What’s really sad here is that it’s yet another place where we focus on the flash and ignore the bang.

Most gun deaths are from pistols, but we focus on rifles. (“assault” rifles at that.)
Most gun deaths are suicides, followed by single homicides. We focus on the mass shootings.
Most non-robbery rapes and murders come from known acquaintances. We focus on the strangers.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:50:58pm

heh…

I miss Sarah Palin. I was bummed when she decided not to run for president the last time around. It would have been hard to find a challenger to Barack Obama less funny than Mitt Romney (notwithstanding Barrett Foa’s outstanding “I Believe” Romney-musical spoof), and because the president himself isn’t exactly a barrel of laughs, we ended up with one of the unfunniest (and also angriest) White House races in history.

That opportunity is lost, but it’s still fun when Palin injects herself into the news.

146 Kragar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:51:10pm

Did twitter change something? I write a tweet, click on the screen to drag it down so I can hit post and I loose the whole tweet.

147 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:51:34pm

re: #144 kirkspencer

(It’s a day for repeating rants)

Most gun deaths are from pistols, but we focus on rifles. (“assault” rifles at that.)
Most gun deaths are suicides, followed by single homicides. We focus on the mass shootings.
Most non-robbery rapes and murders come from known acquaintances. We focus on the strangers.

QFT

148 Mike Lamb  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

How many of Teh Donald’s employees are forced to work on Christmas?

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And if Walmart employees were miffed at working on Christmas, Trump’s response would be that if they didn’t want to work on Christmas, find a new job, conditions of employment, blah blah blah…

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #142 lawhawk

Developing:

A balcony collapsed at a London theater during a performance. Injuries have been reported.

itv.com

telegraph.co.uk

150 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:55:02pm
151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:56:15pm

Paragon of journalism…

152 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:56:21pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

telegraph.co.uk

I’m suspecting the balcony might not have been part of the original building design.

153 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:57:13pm

The Apollo

154 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:57:29pm

re: #150 darthstar

Their odds are better than Snowden’s.

155 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:57:48pm

New Mexico’s first openly gay member of the state legislature:

156 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 12:59:19pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just can’t anymore with her.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:01:24pm

wow!

I googled the image. It’s from February 27.
NASA explains it

158 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:02:23pm

re: #142 lawhawk

Developing:

A balcony collapsed at a London theater during a performance. Injuries have been reported.

itv.com

159 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:02:24pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow!

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I googled the image. It’s from February 27.
NASA explains it

Asparagus clouds makes your rain smell funny.

RBS

160 Dr. Matt  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:02:35pm

Wine and Italian dishes for lunch makes for a shitty afternoon.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

161 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:04:10pm

Tip of the hat to New Mexico for their inclusive, tolerant and forward thinking people!!

Meanwhile in Wississippi, we have a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. So a wag of my finger to my fellow Wisconsinites. Fuck you, you backwards bigoted assholes!!

162 darthstar  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:04:32pm
163 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:04:38pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Hold the phone THIS IS TEH MOAST INSANE TWEET OF TEH WHOLE DAY


Winnable war: one day we will rule with ChristAllah over the whole world: t.co via @youtube
BryanAkbar Fischer (@AkbarJFischer) December 19, 2013

Seems familiar.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:04:51pm
165 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:05:53pm

re: #15 Pie-onist Overlord

For some odd reason, “I’ll love you forever.” is often the last thing men who kill women say to their victims. The murderers usually use firearms.

So, I guess this tweet is right. Evil, but right.

166 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:07:17pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I misread that the first time as Jesus was watching curious incident at Apollo Theater…

I thought “What a dick, he could have stopped it.”

RBS

167 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:12:17pm

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Winnable war: one day we will rule with Christ over the whole world:

And then Christ gets a bullet in the back of the head because fascists don’t share power.

168 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:12:44pm

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

169 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:12:51pm

After reading Taibbi, I’m realizing that the idiotic comments made about gays weren’t even the worse thing Robertson said. Far, far worse was the outright denial of the reality of southern apartheid (Jim Crow). Taibbi is absolutely right to compare it to Holocaust denial.

More needs to be made of that.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:13:57pm

re: #167 Romantic Heretic

And then Christ gets a bullet in the back of the head because fascists don’t share power.

He had it coming. He wanted to take your stuff and give it to those poor people.

RBS

171 erik_t  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:15:41pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

Aha. Yes. That’s why the USA PATRIOT Act came to the floor in the year 2000.

Piece of shit.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:15:54pm

From BBC:

London’s Apollo Theatre’s roof collapses

Part of a roof in the Apollo Theatre in central London has collapsed during a performance.

The theatre in Shaftesbury Avenue was packed for a performance of the Curious Incident Of The Dog in the Night-time.

An eyewitness said she heard “a crackling” noise before the collapse at about 20:15 GMT. Another eyewitness said the “entire dome roof” fell on audience members seated in the stalls.

173 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:16:00pm
Eager media-watchers who have been waiting for more details about the new media venture that Glenn Greenwald and eBay founder Pierre Omidyar are launching finally got some information on Thursday, when Omidyar announced that the organization will be called First Look Media, and that he is putting an initial investment of $50 million into it.

Omidyar also said that the company will have two separate branches—one a for-profit technology wing, and the other a non-profit news and information site, which is presumably where Greenwald and his colleagues will be centered.

huffingtonpost.com

Technology wing?

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:16:45pm

re: #173 b.d.

huffingtonpost.com

Technology wing?

They are SPIES!!!!!!

175 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:17:33pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

Terrorism, which doesn’t exist anywhere in the Middle East either, as it relates to how Sunnis attack Shia with car bombs on a near daily basis, and Shia retaliate in kind.

He’s got such an infantile and naive view of the world that it’s dangerous.

176 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:17:59pm

re: #68 Pie-onist Overlord

If Teh Home Invaders come to my house I will hit them with a Pie In The Face!
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I’ll use the Killer Klowns pies.

Youtube Video

177 piratedan  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:18:04pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

guess Glenn was at the movies on 9/11/2001, strange how his hubris and need for attention has superseded any kind of self editing before speaking in public.

178 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:18:16pm
179 b.d.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:18:27pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

Still waiting for Greenwald to expose ONE bad thing about China or Russia

180 Lidane  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:20:54pm

re: #156 Bulworth

I just can’t anymore with her.

I never could with her. The moment that McCain selected her I was done.

The Republicans thought they could cynically attract disgruntled Hillary voters by nominating anyone with two X chromosomes as their VP. They think of women as some sort of mindless hive vagina that will fall in lockstep, and that a cheap ploy would win them the White House.

They never stopped to consider her qualifications when stacked up against Hillary. If women are going to vote for the first woman VP to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, it’s damn sure going to be someone smarter than Sarah Palin.

181 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:22:07pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Heh don’t say that, someone will take her nose. Then she’ll be running around trying to find it!

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:22:26pm

re: #180 Lidane

I never could with her. The moment that McCain selected her I was done.

The Republicans thought they could cynically attract disgruntled Hillary voters by nominating anyone with two X chromosomes as their VP. They think of women as some sort of mindless hive vagina that will fall in lockstep, and that a cheap ploy would win them the White House.

They never stopped to consider her qualifications when stacked up against Hillary. If women are going to vote for the first woman VP to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, it’s damn sure going to be someone smarter than Sarah Palin.

But she had a vagina and that’s all they cared about because ya know, we wimmins vote with our vaginas.
or something…

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:23:15pm

re: #173 b.d.

huffingtonpost.com

Technology wing?

Keeping everything under one-roof for easier oversight. The technology wing will spy on Greenwald and friends so that they feel comfortable and that everything is right with the world.
//

184 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:24:16pm

Correction of the Day:

185 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:24:17pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

But she had a vagina and that’s all they cared about because ya know, we wimmins vote with our vaginas.
or something…

Whereas we men vote with our hanging chads.

186 Bulworth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:24:30pm

re: #179 b.d.

China/Russia aren’t doing anything wrong and even if they are:
1) Their wrongs pale in significance to those of the U.S. or
2) They’re only doing wrong in response to wrongs being done by U.S.

See, that’s how that works.

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187 Ian G.  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:24:40pm

re: #180 Lidane

The Republicans thought they could cynically attract disgruntled Hillary voters by nominating anyone with two X chromosomes as their VP. They think of women as some sort of mindless hive vagina that will fall in lockstep, and that a cheap ploy would win them the White House.

To be fair, they think this of minorities too. African-Americans are too dumb to realize that they’re “on the plantation” by voting Dem, and of course they should vote for an utter loon like Allen West/Alan Keyes/Ben Carson/EW Jackson because of his skin color.

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:25:00pm

re: #180 Lidane

I never could with her. The moment that McCain selected her I was done.

The Republicans thought they could cynically attract disgruntled Hillary voters by nominating anyone with two X chromosomes as their VP. They think of women as some sort of mindless hive vagina that will fall in lockstep, and that a cheap ploy would win them the White House.

They never stopped to consider her qualifications when stacked up against Hillary. If women are going to vote for the first woman VP to be a heartbeat away from the Oval Office, it’s damn sure going to be someone smarter than Sarah Palin.

There was more to it than that: the Fundamentalist Christian wing of the GOP had threatened to run their own candidate because they were dissatisfied with McCain’s “liberal” stance on social policies.

She was put there to keep them supporting the GOP, and to simply serve as a blank canvas onto which voters could project their image of the ideal conservative candidate.

189 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:25:32pm

re: #187 Ian G.

To be fair, they think this of minorities too. African-Americans are too dumb to realize that they’re “on the plantation” by voting Dem, and of course they should vote for an utter loon like Allen West/Alan Keyes/Ben Carson/EW Jackson because of his skin color.

Identity politics - U R doin it WRONG.

190 gwangung  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:26:22pm

re: #187 Ian G.

To be fair, they think this of minorities too. African-Americans are too dumb to realize that they’re “on the plantation” by voting Dem, and of course they should vote for an utter loon like Allen West/Alan Keyes/Ben Carson/EW Jackson because of his skin color.

From what I’m told, Dr. Carson had some respect in the black community because of his pioneering. That would make it sensible for Republicans to take advantage of that.

But I don’t think Dr. Carson has that respect any more…

191 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #185 GeneJockey

Whereas we men vote with our hanging chads.

Mine dangles.

192 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:27:36pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

But she had a vagina and that’s all they cared about because ya know, we wimmins vote with our vaginas.
or something…

Well, maybe in the old days when voting machines had levers. /

193 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:29:02pm

re: #192 Single-handed sailor

Well, maybe in the old days when voting machines had levers. /

Stuffing the ballot box again?

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:29:18pm

re: #191 Amory Blaine

Mine dangles.

and here I thought they were just swinging…

195 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:30:51pm

re: #185 GeneJockey

Whereas we men vote with our hanging chads.

You call yours “Chad”?

RBS

196 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:32:14pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald explains to Al Jazeera that there’s no such thing as terrorism, and the evil US is just using it as a pretext so they can spy on everyone in the world.

I wish I were exaggerating.

america.aljazeera.com

At 2:45, a black helicopter flies up from behind Greenwald’s shoulder. Also, in August Greenwald said, “I’m willing to get old for this thing,” he said, “but I’m not willing to get fat.” He’s gaining weight….

197 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:35:37pm
198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:35:58pm

This is so full of “Win!!!”

ksl.com

199 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:38:46pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is so full of “Win!!!”

[Embedded image]

ksl.com

One wheel and an umbrella succeeds better than automobiles. Great!

200 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:39:28pm

Ha!! A guy gracefully riding his unicycle

201 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:40:28pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

At 2:45, a black helicopter flies up from behind Greenwald’s shoulder. Also, in August Greenwald said, “I’m willing to get old for this thing,” he said, “but I’m not willing to get fat.” He’s gaining weight….

Well, he thinks he has the wisdom of Buddha already…

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:40:43pm

re: #199 wrenchwench

One wheel and an umbrella succeeds better than automobiles. Great!

I tried to find a photo credit, but the picture is only on KSL’s home page…not in the ice storm photo gallery (and photos there are nowhere near as light-hearted).

203 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:41:17pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

I tried to find a photo credit, but the picture is only on KSL’s home page…not in the ice storm photo gallery (and photos there are nowhere near as light-hearted).

It’s a keeper.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:42:40pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

It’s a keeper.

That’s why I saved it and posted the picture here. If there had been a link, I would have used that instead.
I love that photo!

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:44:05pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is so full of “Win!!!”

[Embedded image]

ksl.com

Sending that link to my niece since she is a unicycle enthusiast.

206 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:44:32pm

Photo gallery of marriages in New Mexico from August, when a couple of county clerks starting performing gay marriages. Caution: gay kissing and hand-holding!

207 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:46:59pm

re: #116 darthstar

The basketball I can understand. The empty food containers? Really?

[Embedded content]

That is forbidden by Leviticus.

208 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 19, 2013 1:47:38pm

re: #195 RealityBasedSteve

You call yours “Chad”?

RBS

I never gave it a name, lest it begin to think and act too independently.


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