Entire Right Wing Media Lines Up to Support Hate Speech by Duck Dynasty’s Head Caveman

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It’s no surprise that more vile, bigoted statements by Duck Dynasty’s head cretin are now coming to light: Phil Robertson Homophobic Past Resurfaces in 2010 Sermon.

If you take a run around the right wing websites today, you’ll see that all of them are lining up to voice enthusiastic support for Robertson. And I do mean “all.”

Some of them are trying to pretend they’re standing up for “free speech” — but it couldn’t be more obvious that these lofty concerns about “freedom” are just a sham.

The right is circling the wagons around Robertson and his caveman comments because they agree with what he said. When Phil Robertson compared homosexuality to bestiality, and said African Americans in the Jim Crow era were happier and more “godly,” he was simply expressing very common right wing views.

Because let’s face it — we had GOP politicians running for president in the last election who said exactly the same kinds of disgusting things.

UPDATE at 12/20/13 11:02:16 am

What is this. I don’t even.

Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

Today, Ian Bayne called Phil Robertson, star of the A&E series “Duck Dynasty,” the ‘Rosa Parks’ of our generation.

“In December 1955, Rosa Parks took a stand against an unjust societal persecution of black people, and in December 2013, Robertson took a stand against persecution of Christians,” said Bayne.

Parks, famous for refusing to give up her seat on a bus for a white person, as was the rule of her day, provided inspiration for a movement of equality of black people and white people in America.

“What Parks did was courageous,” said Bayne. “What Mr. Robertson did was courageous too.”

Bayne believes that the Duck Dynasty star knew that going on GQ would result in the current controversy going on surrounding his suspension, as well as his suspension.

Bayne added that this exposure of Robertson’s situation is an eye opener for many who may have been previously in disbelief that the bible is fast becoming considered “hate speech” by the media and society.

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243 comments
1 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:36:54am

Is it too early to assume that this whole thing was a contrived publicity stunt from the beginning?

2 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:37:48am

Someone pointed out this already but it was rich that the same people complaining now that Robertson had his free speech violated are the same people who wanted the Dixie Chicks blacklisted from the entertainment industry for saying they were ashamed to share the same state as President Bush. I guess it’s okay in right wing world to compare a whole group of people to animal fuckers but don’t you dare not be proud to share the same state with a president you’re not fond of. Honestly, Robertson’s entitled to his opinion but A&E is also entitled to do what they want too. He’s not being punished by jail or fine by the government for his remarks. If Robertson had made disparaging remarks about Christians, he would have been suspended too and it would have been fair too. One thing I still don’t get is I hear he was supopsedly praying for someone when eh said this. Who the hell prays for someone while babbling about gays being like animal scerwers.

3 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:38:27am

re: #1 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Is it too early to assume that this whole thing was a contrived publicity stunt from the beginning?

I think it’s fair to wonder that considering that these guys have become the new right wing folk heroes in one quick swoop.

4 darthstar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:38:36am

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5 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:40:02am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Someone pointed out this already but it was rich that the same people complaining now that Robertson had his free speech violated are the same people who wanted the Dixie Chicks blacklisted from the entertainment industry for saying they were ashamed to share the same state as President Bush.

Dixie Chicks pulled from air after bashing Bush

From CNN: Friday, March 14, 2003. Country stations across the United States have pulled the Chicks from playlists following reports that lead singer Natalie Maines said in a concert in London earlier this week that she was “ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas.”

6 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:40:22am

I’m getting tired of Christianity being used as an excuse for being an entitled asshole.

7 darthstar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:40:39am

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8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:41:12am

re: #1 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Is it too early to assume that this whole thing was a contrived publicity stunt from the beginning?

Back in May, they tried floating the rumor that the family’s Christian faith was under attack.
Turns out it was salary negotiations because the duck people were demanding $200,000 an episode for the fourth season and regular raises for each subsequent season.
It is totally a manufactured crisis.

9 darthstar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:41:34am

re: #6 Kragar

I’m getting tired of Christianity being used as an excuse for being an entitled asshole.

But god so loved the world that he gave his only kid up for adoption so you could be an asshole.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:42:20am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

And the Beatles got hammered over John Lennon’s “we’re bigger than God” comment.

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:42:47am

re: #6 Kragar

I’m getting tired of Christianity being used as an excuse for being an entitled asshole.

Me too and to add to that, I’m tired of Christianity being used to rationalize intolerance.

12 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:43:06am

re: #9 darthstar

But god so loved the world that he gave his only kid up for adoption so you could be an asshole.

Deadbeat dad, huh?

13 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:43:42am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the Beatles got hammered over John Lennon’s “we’re bigger than God” comment.

Yep. What Mr. Robertson is finding out the hard way is you can’t be an open homophobe in 2013 and expect to find many sympathetic ears.

14 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:44:21am

I don’t like to cross-post, but I wanted Kragar to get the credit for this…

re: #403 Kragar

‘Duck Dynasty’ creator Scott Gurney starred in indie ‘gay porn’ film

How soon before the conspiracy theory comes out, it was a set-up job by the Gay Mafia to ruin these good people? Sure as I’m sitting here stuffing a doughnut in my face it’s going to happen.

RBS

15 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:44:48am

FREE ENTERPRISE COMES TO SAVE THE DAY!

16 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:45:09am

In media terms, the only worthwhile reaction is over reaction.

Dixie Chicks, Phil Robertson, Mel Gibson, Martin Bashir, Don Imus, Baldwin….

Real concerns multiplied by the ratings chase and then squared by the mood of the moment.

When Lars Von Tryer said some awful things the US media barely flickered. And he faced jail for it.

17 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:47:51am

re: #16 Political Atheist

In media terms, the only worthwhile reaction is over reaction.

Dixie Chicks, Phil Robertson, Mel Gibson, Martin Bashir, Don Imus, Baldwin….

Sadly, Rush Limbaugh and Coultergeist say much more vile things on a regular basis and yet they are never punished.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:49:00am

The same right wingers who were demanding Martin Bashir’s head on a pike; the same ones who called for Alec Baldwin to lose his job(s); are now demanding that A&E restore Robertson to his gig on a reality tv show because that’s free speech, but it’s speech they agree with.

They couldn’t care about the speech they disagree with (or about people they disagree with).

So, while as I’ve repeatedly pointed out that this isn’t a First Amendment issue, but a contract matter between Robertson and the producers, these same right wingers ignore that the First Amendment is designed to protect speech, all speech, including the speech you disagree with.

If you’re going to claim that this is a free speech matter, your hypocrisy is showing when you demand Baldwin or Bashir lose their jobs over their speech, but demand that Robertson get his job back after being suspended.

Since this isn’t a free speech matter, the producers can take whatever actions they deem appropriate pursuant to the contract that Robertson willingly entered into so as to reap the profits of his scripted reality tv show that is quite the departure from his family’s lifestyle before the show began taping (back when they weren’t all sprouting copious amounts of facial hair and would be at home in the country club more readily than the bayous). Because Image Is Everything. And the Robertsons know that they’ve got a cash cow that they’ve got to reap for as long as possible.

19 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:50:19am

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Sadly, Rush Limbaugh and Coultergeist say much more vile things on a regular basis and yet they are never punished.

Unless you count waking up every day as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

20 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Sadly, Rush Limbaugh and Coultergeist say much more vile things on a regular basis and yet they are never punished.

That’s true, but they still provide massive click bait. Rush I think is slipping big time audience wise. He got bumped here in LA off a station with a huge footprint and will now be on one that barely reaches Long Beach.

21 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:51:10am

re: #18 lawhawk

The same right wingers who were demanding Martin Bashir’s head on a pike; the same ones who called for Alec Baldwin to lose his job(s); are now demanding that A&E restore Robertson to his gig on a reality tv show because that’s free speech, but it’s speech they agree with.

They couldn’t care about the speech they disagree with (or about people they disagree with).

So, while as I’ve repeatedly pointed out that this isn’t a First Amendment issue, but a contract matter between Robertson and the producers, these same right wingers ignore that the First Amendment is designed to protect speech, all speech, including the speech you disagree with.

If you’re going to claim that this is a free speech matter, your hypocrisy is showing when you demand Baldwin or Bashir lose their jobs over their speech, but demand that Robertson get his job back after being suspended.

Since this isn’t a free speech matter, the producers can take whatever actions they deem appropriate pursuant to the contract that Robertson willingly entered into so as to reap the profits of his scripted reality tv show that is quite the departure from his family’s lifestyle before the show began taping (back when they weren’t all sprouting copious amounts of facial hair and would be at home in the country club more readily than the bayous). Because Image Is Everything. And the Robertsons know that they’ve got a cash cow that they’ve got to reap for as long as possible.

Nailed it as always LH. Well said.

22 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:51:13am

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Sadly, Rush Limbaugh and Coultergeist say much more vile things on a regular basis and yet they are never punished.

Neither is Sarah Palin and she can be very vicious, too. How she manages to stick around is beyond me. It doesn’t bode well for the country.

In the meantime, I spotted an Elantra of undeterminate year sporting bike rack on the rear and ski racks on top. On the back window was a sticker, “Ron Paul for President”.

On the bumper itself was a sticker that said, “Our God Is an Awesome God.”

It’s not known whether the second bumper stick was referring to the first.

23 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:51:46am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Unless you count waking up every day as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:53:05am

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Unless you count waking up every day as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

That sounds awful. Those two are essentially Professional Assholes.

25 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:54:23am

Someone is going to end up with a very bad day

26 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:54:41am

Flounder!

I left some shoe ideas for you on the previous thread.

27 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:54:52am

When ratings go up at media outlets as a result of quoted hate speech, the irony and hypocrisy are just galling.

The fans and critics are two sides of a golden coin.

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:55:22am

re: #25 Kragar

Someone is going to end up with a very bad day

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And her excuse will be something about political correctness.

29 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 10:58:02am

More video of Robertson displaying his homophobia and belief system. It’s been rolling around on YouTube for a few months now:

Youtube Video

It’s a nearly hour long video. This nugget is from about 17 minutes or so:

“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, god haters, they are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil!

That’s what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you going to do, Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You’re going to die. Don’t forget that.”

30 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:00:01am

What I found as offensive about his statement about gays was his stupid comments about African Americans. It’s a typical right wing bs lie, the Great Society ruined the African-American family and caused them to dependent on government. And then he says some crap about how no one was singing the blues then? I guess he doesn’t realize that some of the best blues music was written before 1960.

31 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:00:38am


LIONS, TIGERS AND BEARS oh my!

32 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:01:02am
33 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:01:09am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the Beatles got hammered over John Lennon’s “we’re bigger than God” comment.

IIRC, the phrase was more famous than Jesus.

34 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:01:49am

Will there be any cancellations?

duckcommandercruise.com

Ferchrissakes…

I cannot imagine anyone paying $200 for a fucking duck call, either.

35 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:01:56am


because they have no other problems to deal with?

36 darthstar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:02:46am

Today’s google doodle is a good one for crossword fans…and if you leave and come back, it remembers where you left off.

37 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:02:56am

re: #32 Kragar

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Now some of them are claiming “It wasn’t us, we were just joking about it, it was 4chan that did the evil thing.”.

RBS

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:02:57am

Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

Today, Ian Bayne called Phil Robertson, star of the A&E series “Duck Dynasty,” the ‘Rosa Parks’ of our generation.

“In December 1955, Rosa Parks took a stand against an unjust societal persecution of black people, and in December 2013, Robertson took a stand against persecution of Christians,” said Bayne.

Parks, famous for refusing to give up her seat on a bus for a white person, as was the rule of her day, provided inspiration for a movement of equality of black people and white people in America.

“What Parks did was courageous,” said Bayne. “What Mr. Robertson did was courageous too.”

Bayne believes that the Duck Dynasty star knew that going on GQ would result in the current controversy going on surrounding his suspension, as well as his suspension.

Bayne added that this exposure of Robertson’s situation is an eye opener for many who may have been previously in disbelief that the bible is fast becoming considered “hate speech” by the media and society.

39 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:03:10am

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40 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:04:08am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

Assholes. Rosa Parks was the Rosa Parks of my generation.

41 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:04:54am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Right. Getting suspended from your very own reality tv show that leads to generous compensation and profits for yourself and your family because you’re a homophobe and racist is exactly like standing your ground and refusing to give up your seat on a bus because you’re a black woman.

Logic. How does it work?

42 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:05:42am

If bigots can hide behind Christianity, why do fundamentalists have such a big problem with Jihadists hiding behind Islam? I have grown tired of all of these religious zealots. They deserve each other. I just wish we could isolate them in some geographical region and let them pray to the deity of their choosing for the other’s destruction.

43 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:06:32am


WTF is wrong with her?

44 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:06:37am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

But according to the RWNJs, Rosa Parks was a communist, the whole thing was planned out in advance to become a cause. Now which is it? unlike you guys I can’t hold multiple contradictory positions in my head without it hurting.

RBS

45 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:07:10am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

I have a terrible headache now. Really Rosa Parks stood up against a system that made African Americans second class citizens. Phil Robertson called a group of people animal fuckers. Rosa Parks got arreseted. Robertson may lose his reality show. God conservatives are fucking stupid and insensitive when ti comes to analyzing the actual history of people standing up against oppression.

46 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:08:27am

Sean Hannity. Flip-flopper. Hypocrite.

47 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:08:41am

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48 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:09:07am

re: #33 abolitionist

IIRC, the phrase was more famous than Jesus.

“More popular than Jesus” after they found out there were more tickets sold for their concert than for a church revival taking place at the same time.

49 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:09:09am

re: #43 wrenchwench

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WTF is wrong with her?

Her name is really Mensch?

50 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:09:13am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

But according to the RWNJs, Rosa Parks was a communist, the whole thing was planned out in advance to become a cause. Now which is it? unlike you guys I can’t hold multiple contradictory positions in my head without it hurting.

RBS

They have contradictory positions on the Civil Rights Movement because they know the CRM was a noble cause so they want to liken their own causes to it. At the same time, they think LBJ was a big government meanie for telling states they couldn’t segregate anymore.

51 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:09:43am

A representative image of the new oppressed class in the US. They do suffer so much.

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52 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:10:03am

re: #46 lawhawk

Sean Hannity. Flip-flopper. Hypocrite.

I dont’ think it’s possible for Hannity not to be a pathetic hypocritical loser.

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:10:07am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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Duck Dynasty Star Is Rosa Parks of Our Generation.

WTFITS

54 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:10:44am

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

Her name is really Mensch?

Yeah, but that’s not what’s wrong with her.

55 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:12:56am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

They have contradictory positions on the Civil Rights Movement because they know the CRM was a noble cause so they want to liken their own causes to it. At the same time, they think LBJ was a big government meanie for telling states they couldn’t segregate anymore.

HURR HURR LBJ USED TEH N WORD SO TEH WHOLE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS IS NULL & VOID & REPUBLICANS OWN IT NOW!!!!!!11!!!!!

When I ask wingnuts to explain why the GOP nominated as their 1964 candidate, someone who voted against the CRA, they change the subject.

56 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:13:18am

So, if Martin Bashir hid behind the bible to support his defecation comments, would that have pleased the RWNJs? In the bible, women must be obedient to their husbands and NO WHERE in the bible does it forbid a husband from such an act.

disclaimer: dripping in sarcasm

57 b.d.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:13:23am

First they came for the duck callers…

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:14:07am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

I have a terrible headache now. Really Rosa Parks stood up against a system that made African Americans second class citizens. Phil Robertson called a group of people animal fuckers. Rosa Parks got arreseted. Robertson may lose his reality show. God conservatives are fucking stupid and insensitive when ti comes to analyzing the actual history of people standing up against oppression.

HURR HURR PHIL ROBERTSON IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!1!!!!
HURR HURR ED SNOWDEN IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!!11!!!!!

59 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:14:55am

Charles Johnson,

I think this may just be our bad analogy of the day.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:15:08am
61 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:15:31am

re: #43 wrenchwench

His comments included a bunch of racist stuff too. Let’s just ignore that and focus on the homophobic comments, with which this person apparently agrees.

These kinds of contracts allow producers to suspend and/or fire participants for pretty much any reason unilaterally.

So yeah, it’s a contract matter.

It’s an at-will employment state, which means his employer has the right to terminate the contract at any time.

Louisiana courts have basically interpreted this employment-at-will doctrine to mean that the employer has almost unlimited discretion and authority over the employee and may utilize the employee in any manner necessary in order to benefit the business. This means that an employer may legally hire, fire, suspend, or discipline any employee at any time for any reason—good or bad—or for no reason at all.

That’s from the Louisiana Workforce Commission, and unless you are one of a few protected classes, you’re an at-will employee, such as when you’re called for jury duty, military service, etc. (page 29).

Put another way, if you don’t like an employer disciplining an employee in the way you see here, then you need to speak out against at-will employment and the nature of the relationship between employer and employee.

62 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:15:46am

re: #58 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR PHIL ROBERTSON IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!1!!!!
HURR HURR ED SNOWDEN IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!!11!!!!!

Hmmm…. So we have wingnut and moonbat texts now?

63 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:16:13am

re: #55 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR LBJ USED TEH N WORD SO TEH WHOLE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS IS NULL & VOID & REPUBLICANS OWN IT NOW!!!!!!11!!!!!

When I ask wingnuts to explain why the GOP nominated as their 1964 candidate, someone who voted against the CRA, they change the subject.

Right. I mean if the GOP was sincere about being the Civil Rights Party after 1964. They wouldn’t have nominated Goldwater and Nixon wouldn’t have embraced the Southern Strategy. There was a time when the Republicans were the superior party on civil rights but there never was a time when conservatives were more forward thinking on race than liberals because the essence of liberalism is forward thinking.

64 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:16:53am
65 bratwurst  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:17:00am

This is why I am cautiously optimistic about the Democrats holding onto the Senate next year: the coward politicians of the GOP will be forced to rally around bigots and idiots with bizarre opinions about rape by their base.

66 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:17:12am

re: #41 lawhawk

Right. Getting suspended from your very own reality tv show that leads to generous compensation and profits for yourself and your family because you’re a homophobe and racist is exactly like standing your ground and refusing to give up your seat on a bus because you’re a black woman.

Logic. How does it work?

Every time they pull that crap of using civil rights era icons/slavery, the Holocaust/Nazis, claims of oppression & religious persecution, etc. it makes people who have—and in some cases still do—suffer those things twitch.

They’re already in a deep hole, yet they keep digging. It’s kind of amazing actually, in a train wreck sort of way. They’re like Baghdad Bob…LOL

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67 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:18:00am

re: #61 lawhawk

His comments included a bunch of racist stuff too. Let’s just ignore that and focus on the homophobic comments, with which this person apparently agrees.

These kinds of contracts allow producers to suspend and/or fire participants for pretty much any reason unilaterally.

So yeah, it’s a contract matter.

It’s an at-will employment state, which means his employer has the right to terminate the contract at any time.

That’s from the Louisiana Workforce Commission, and unless you are one of a few protected classes, you’re an at-will employee, such as when you’re called for jury duty, military service, etc. (page 29).

Put another way, if you don’t like an employer disciplining an employee in the way you see here, then you need to speak out against at-will employment and the nature of the relationship between employer and employee.

I was having an argument last night with a wingnut over the idea that the Robertsons could just choose to grab anything of the show that’s not bolted down, down the very trademark, and take it to another network if A&E didn’t meet their demands. Think that a possibility?

68 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:18:07am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Oh? John Nolte’s going to lecture us on religion. That’ll be fun if he wasn’t constantly violating the Christian principles he claims to have.

69 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:18:14am

re: #62 CriticalDragon1177

Hmmm…. So we have wingnut and moonbat texts now?

The green is defined as “dudebro”, referring to the place where LW crazy and RW crazy are held together with Libertarian Glue.

70 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:18:34am

re: #62 CriticalDragon1177

Hmmm…. So we have wingnut and moonbat texts now?

Yeah, I missed the green unveiling as well.

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:18:48am

re: #65 bratwurst

This is why I am cautiously optimistic about the Democrats holding onto the Senate next year: the coward politicians of the GOP will be forced to rally around bigots and idiots with bizarre opinions about rape by their base.

I saw that Bobby Jindal is defending his state’s now most famous resident all the way. I wonder how Bobby would have felt if Phil had made remarks about pagan worshipping dotheads.

72 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:19:59am
73 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:21:15am

74 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:21:31am

re: #57 b.d.

First they came for the duck callers…

Then they came for the pie makers…

75 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:21:46am

76 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:22:37am

re: #72 Kragar

Maybe he’ll segue into a funny bit about Billy Carter beer and then do a callback to Mork & Mindy.

See how I used that hip standup comedian slang there?

77 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:24:24am

re: #76 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Maybe he’ll segue into a funny bit about Billy Carter beer and then do a callback to Mork & Mindy.

See how I used that hip standup comedian slang there?

Hey kids how about that Richard Pryor?

78 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:24:36am

re: #34 Justanotherhuman

Will there be any cancellations?

duckcommandercruise.com

Ferchrissakes…

I cannot imagine anyone paying $200 for a fucking duck call, either.

Those poor cruise ship workers!

79 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:24:37am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

I saw that Bobby Jindal is defending his state’s now most famous resident all the way. I wonder how Bobby would have felt if Phil had made remarks about pagan worshipping dotheads.

oh, you mean those ones that MUST be condemned to hell, since after all it says in the bible “I am the way, the truth and the light. NO ONE comes to the Father, except through me”? That’s pretty explicit, believe in Jesus or you can’t be saved. Not that I’ve ever challenged some of my religious associates with that… nope, not me. (ok, just a little)

RBS

80 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:25:10am

re: #67 Targetpractice

I was having an argument last night with a wingnut over the idea that the Robertsons could just choose to grab anything of the show that’s not bolted down, down the very trademark, and take it to another network if A&E didn’t meet their demands. Think that a possibility?

It will depend on who holds the trademarks/copyright on the show. If there are non-compete clauses, which would seem like SOP, then they’d have a hard time going to another network without changing up the concept.

If the family owns the copyright/trademarks, and there isn’t a noncompete, then they could use that as a bargaining chip to go to another network. But all too often, the producers/networks have all the cards on the contracts - that they have the noncompetes and trademark/copyright ownership.

81 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:25:21am

re: #65 bratwurst

This is why I am cautiously optimistic about the Democrats holding onto the Senate next year: the coward politicians of the GOP will be forced to rally around bigots and idiots with bizarre opinions about rape by their base.

Boehner sure has been bad mouthing the tea bagger base, lately.

82 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:25:50am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Oh really? to be Christian is to be anti gay? That will be quite a surprise at an awful lot of churches.

I found this site made for LGBT folks that would like to go to church.

Note to the haters-God does not hate gay people and vice versa.

83 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:26:34am

Speaking of Phil Robertson and Duck Dynasty,

I just found this and posted it.

Jon Stewart Torches Fox News’ Defense of Phil Robertson’s Right to Say ‘Ignorant Sh*t’
littlegreenfootballs.com

84 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:26:41am

re: #79 RealityBasedSteve

oh, you mean those ones that MUST be condemned to hell, since after all it says in the bible “I am the way, the truth and the light. NO ONE comes to the Father, except through me”? That’s pretty explicit, >believe in Jesus or you can’t be saved. Not that I’ve ever challenged some of my religious associates with that… nope, not me. (ok, just a little)

RBS

Most religions are absolute.

85 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:27:12am

re: #72 Kragar

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Actually, given Rush Limbaugh’s aging audience, there’s every chance that “Nanu Nanu” is too modern for them.

86 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:27:41am

re: #72 Kragar

87 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:28:17am

re: #82 Political Atheist

Oh really? tpo be Christian is to be anti gay? That will be quite a surprise at an awful lot of churches.

I found this site made for LGBT folks that would like to go to church.
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Note to the haters-God does not hate gay people and vice versa.

Oh my God a gay church, the horror!

88 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:28:51am

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

Her name is really Mensch?

The Irony is palpable. Kind of like bigots who call themselves Christian which one might have thought would imply some sort of Christ like compassion.

89 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:28:53am

I liked it when they had Paul Ryan show his “hipness” by showing that he had favorite bands that were popular 35 years ago. I mean don’t get me wrong. I love AC/DC, Led Zep, etc but that was just kind of sad. Granted not as sad as him lying about his marathon times. I mean you run marathons already which is admirable. No need to lie about times.

90 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:29:52am

re: #80 lawhawk

It will depend on who holds the trademarks/copyright on the show. If there are non-compete clauses, which would seem like SOP, then they’d have a hard time going to another network without changing up the concept.

If the family owns the copyright/trademarks, and there isn’t a noncompete, then they could use that as a bargaining chip to go to another network. But all too often, the producers/networks have all the cards on the contracts - that they have the noncompetes and trademark/copyright ownership.

Far as I can tell, A&E registered the “Duck Dynasty” trademark when the show was created. The Robertsons had a show on the Outdoor Channel, but it didn’t go by the same name. My assumption at this point was that the idea that they could just quit and take the show on the road seemed fanciful, as A&E likely has the contract set up so that any decision on the family’s part to bug out would mean surrendering enough control over the show and intellectual property as to leave them with no way to resume on another station.

91 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:29:59am
92 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:30:20am

So, since this is the perfect place to have all questions of theology answered, I have two.
First, if Leviticus says “you shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman” where does that leave me as a woman? And if I’m not supposed to lie with men, where does that leave the men lying?

Second, if Leviticus is the end all and be all of the Roberson’s moral life, do they eat shellfish? Have they spent any time witnessing to potential customers outside the local Red Lobster?

93 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:30:24am

George Takei:

Many fans asked for my thoughts on the “Duck Dynasty” controversy. They pressed and pressed, but I refused to quack.

But I can’t duck this issue forever. I don’t really care feather someone on a reality show said something about gays that didn’t fit the bill. He’s entitled to his opinion, even if it’s for the birds. But the network also is worried about flocking with its base, so if it feels it should drake him over the coals for making his fowl comments, so be it.

So that’s migrate opinion.

So much awesome there.

94 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:30:29am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Hey kids how about that Richard Pryor?

Easy to make fun of, but he had MS. So, let’s leave him alone

95 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:31:18am

According to the Bible, divorce and homosexuality are both sins. Approximately 50% of marriages end in divorce, while approximately 5-10% of the population is homosexual. And yet RWNJs only obsess about homosexuality. How telling. *Paging Dr. Freud*

96 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:32:40am

re: #92 calochortus

So, since this is the perfect place to have all questions of theology answered, I have two.
First, if Leviticus says “you shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman” where does that leave me as a woman? And if I’m not supposed to lie with men, where does that leave the men lying?

Second, if Leviticus is the end all and be all of the Roberson’s moral life, do they eat shellfish? Have they spent any time witnessing to potential customers outside the local Red Lobster?

To be fair, I am not certain Red Lobster is real shellfish.

97 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:32:48am

re: #80 lawhawk

It will depend on who holds the trademarks/copyright on the show. If there are non-compete clauses, which would seem like SOP, then they’d have a hard time going to another network without changing up the concept.

If the family owns the copyright/trademarks, and there isn’t a noncompete, then they could use that as a bargaining chip to go to another network. But all too often, the producers/networks have all the cards on the contracts - that they have the noncompetes and trademark/copyright ownership.

I think A&E might own the “Duck Dynasty” trademark; at least, that’s what this Forbes article implies.

forbes.com

98 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:32:57am

Reporter: Is it your belief, sir, that Iraq is winning this war?

Baghdad Bob: For sure. It’s, it’s a firm belief that we are winning this war and we will win the war. The final [sic] will be an Iraqi victory.

This is just like the current GOP delusion—pretend that maintaining an overly confident narrative actually has the power to overcome reality on the ground.

99 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:33:00am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

They would retort that they’d want to make divorce more difficult to obtain, thereby improving the institution of marriage. We’d just have to ignore the adultery (there’s that sin again!) that frequently goes along as a reason for the divorce in the first place.

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:33:16am

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Easy to make fun of, but he had MS. So, let’s leave him alone

I am making fun of Erickson’s lack of hipness not Pryor.I actually have loads of respect for Pryor’s genius as a comic.

101 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:33:17am

re: #92 calochortus

As my Anglican Deacon auntie says ~ “The Bible’s not a smorgasbord!” She dismisses Paul’s statements by saying Paul did not like women either.

102 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:35:37am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

According to the Bible, divorce and homosexuality are both sins. Approximately 50% of marriages end in divorce, while approximately 5-10% of the population is homosexual. And yet RWNJs only obsess about homosexuality. How telling. *Paging Dr. Freud*

And from what I’ve read, fundies lead the pack in divorces. Atheists have the lowest divorce rate.

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:35:45am

Yes, must watch
Youtube Video

104 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:36:04am

re: #99 lawhawk

How about the “sins” of eating shellfish, premarital sex, wearing blended clothing, and tattoos!?!? Sinners for not caring about other sinful sin!!!!!!

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:36:33am

re: #58 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR PHIL ROBERTSON IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!1!!!!
HURR HURR ED SNOWDEN IS TEH ROSA PARKS!!!!11!!!!!

So soon it will morph to “Phil Robertson is the Ed Snowden” since A&E is forcing him to flee in exile to the Outdoor Channel.
//

106 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:36:42am

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

And from what I’ve read, fundies lead the pack in divorces. Atheists have the lowest divorce rate.

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

Another interesting related fact is the lowest divorce rates are in the more liberal states. The higher ones in the more conservative ones.

107 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:36:51am
108 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:37:35am
109 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:37:50am

More like Justine Sacked, right?


This is the “Director of Corporate Communications” for IAC

110 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:37:53am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

According to the Bible, divorce and homosexuality are both sins. Approximately 50% of marriages end in divorce, while approximately 5-10% of the population is homosexual. And yet RWNJs only obsess about homosexuality. How telling. *Paging Dr. Freud*

and Jesus was very clear,, the ONLY reason that is acceptable is adultery, (Matt 19:9), so if we want to preserve the “Sanctity of Marriage” as they like to say, simply outlaw divorce for anything other than adultery and you’ve got it 90% done.

Of course, that would leave Rush Limbaugh, serial monogamist out in the cold.

RBS

111 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:38:01am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Yep, just like the Islamist jihadis expressing their beliefs about sin, and the ayatollahs expressing theirs. Free speech!

112 Petero1818  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:39:25am

re: #109 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More like Justine Sacked, right?

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This is the “Director of Corporate Communications” for IAC

That can’t be true can it?

113 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:39:50am
114 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:40:18am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

According to the Bible, divorce and homosexuality are both sins. Approximately 50% of marriages end in divorce, while approximately 5-10% of the population is homosexual. And yet RWNJs only obsess about homosexuality. How telling. *Paging Dr. Freud*

What do you want to bet that the Bakers who won’t bake cakes for gay marriages because sin, don’t blink an eye at baking cakes for adulterous second marriages?

115 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:40:24am

So I ask these gay haters where exactly in the bible it says this sin is so much more grave than stealing, adultery/divorce, using his name in vain.

Stll waiting…

116 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:41:21am

re: #109 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More like Justine Sacked, right?

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This is the “Director of Corporate Communications” for IAC


“Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just Kidding. I’m soon to be unemployed and reviled white!”

There, I pre-fixed it for her.

RBS

117 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:41:23am

re: #96 Petero1818

To be fair, I am not certain Red Lobster is real shellfish.

Touche’

118 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:42:17am

re: #113 FemNaziBitch

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That’s a damn good question.

119 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:42:48am
120 b.d.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:43:00am

re: #109 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More like Justine Sacked, right?

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This is the “Director of Corporate Communications” for IAC

They own The Daily Beast, how nice.

121 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:43:49am

re: #120 b.d.

They own The Daily Beast, how nice.

They also own BlackPeopleMeet.com

RBS

122 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:44:58am

re: #109 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

More like Justine Sacked, right?

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This is the “Director of Corporate Communications” for IAC

Amazed that a Communications Director could be so stupid. Enjoy unemployment.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:45:35am

re: #92 calochortus

So, since this is the perfect place to have all questions of theology answered, I have two.
First, if Leviticus says “you shall not lie with a man as you lie with a woman” where does that leave me as a woman? And if I’m not supposed to lie with men, where does that leave the men lying?

Second, if Leviticus is the end all and be all of the Roberson’s moral life, do they eat shellfish? Have they spent any time witnessing to potential customers outside the local Red Lobster?

When that book was written you were considered property. That’s why all the authority stuff ignored you.

124 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:46:08am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Amazed that a Communications Director could be so stupid. Enjoy unemployment.

Her real problem is that the NSA reads her email ‘envelopes’.

125 b.d.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:46:44am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Amazed that a Communications Director could be so stupid. Enjoy unemployment.

“Where’s the untweet button?”

126 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:47:14am

WHAT?

127 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:47:36am

re: #115 Political Atheist

So I ask these gay haters where exactly in the bible it says this sin is so much more grave than stealing, adultery/divorce, using his name in vain.

Stll waiting…

Trust me, you can never win a fight with a fundie by using their holy book. I used to do it all the time with Muslim fundies, to no avail—all it did was anger them and frustrate me. They have too much invested in their worldview to allow any outsider to pierce the bubble. There is always a justification. Always.

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:47:39am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Another interesting related fact is the lowest divorce rates are in the more liberal states. The higher ones in the more conservative ones.

I think partly that’s because in the south, people cheat on their spouses all the time, but don’t bother getting a divorce and remarrying until there’s a pregnancy (which is often quickly because, you know, preventing pregnancy or having an abortion is a sin

129 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:48:13am

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

And from what I’ve read, fundies lead the pack in divorces. Atheists have the lowest divorce rate.

thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

There is some nuance to that, though. Fundamentalists/conservatives are far more likely to marry young, while atheists/liberals live in sin during those years. The breakup of a relationship without a marriage doesn’t make it to the statistics.

130 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:08am

So the “Rosa Parks of our time” is…..some dipshit who thinks Rosa Parks made things worse for all African-Americans and probably should have just given up her seat on the fucking bus.

I think I’m going to have aneurysm if I think about this too much.

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:17am

re: #108 wrenchwench

Wouldn’t extra candles around that beard be a fire hazard?

132 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:19am

re: #129 calochortus

There is some nuance to that, though. Fundamentalists/conservatives are far more likely to marry young, while atheists/liberals live in sin during those years. The breakup of a relationship without a marriage doesn’t make it to the statistics.

That’s a true point. I think as a whole more educated people marry later and I think studies have shown that to be true.

133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:19am

re: #105 Feline Fearless Leader

So soon it will morph to “Phil Robertson is the Ed Snowden” since A&E is forcing him to flee in exile to the Outdoor Channel.
//

No, it’s going to be ‘Snowden is Pajama Boy’s cousin!’ And I actually might believe that one:

Image: Edward-Snowden-008.jpg

Image: eda.png

134 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:25am

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

When that book was written you were considered property. That’s why all the authority stuff ignored you.

So I’m not bound by any of the other restrictions either-except a few that mention me specifically like not squeezing the balls of some guy my husband is fighting with?

135 Bubblehead II  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:49:55am

Obama presser now up at Faux News

.live.foxnews.com

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:50:31am

re: #80 lawhawk

It will depend on who holds the trademarks/copyright on the show. If there are non-compete clauses, which would seem like SOP, then they’d have a hard time going to another network without changing up the concept.

If the family owns the copyright/trademarks, and there isn’t a noncompete, then they could use that as a bargaining chip to go to another network. But all too often, the producers/networks have all the cards on the contracts - that they have the noncompetes and trademark/copyright ownership.

Robertsons own “Duck Commander” trademark but A&E owns “Duck Dynasty”

137 Ian G.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:53:48am

re: #119 Kragar

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Well, there’s still Pope Francis, and his non-asshole beliefs. Of course, the while wingnut idiot-industrial-complex is flipped out BECAUSE he isn’t using Christianity as an excuse to be a huge dick.

138 blueraven  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:53:49am

re: #135 Bubblehead II

Obama presser now up at Faux News

.live.foxnews.com

Ed Henry and Jonathan Karl already done with their usual dick schtick.

139 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:55:48am

re: #80 lawhawk

I would be VERY surprised if there isn’t a non-compete clause. I can’t imagine A&E wouldn’t have that safeguard in place even if it’s just for a 12 months following termination of their contract.

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:56:22am

re: #104 Dr. Matt

How about the “sins” of eating shellfish, premarital sex, wearing blended clothing, and tattoos!?!? Sinners for not caring about other sinful sin!!!!!!

My son, the Rabbi in Alabama, is always asking this question to his fundie neighbors, respectfully of course, while also saying “You know abortion isn’t even mentioned in the Torah.”

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:56:37am

re: #134 calochortus

So I’m not bound by any of the other restrictions either-except a few that mention me specifically like not squeezing the balls of some guy my husband is fighting with?

Something like that - but the rule about absolute obedience to all the males would probably trump all the “freedom” not officially being bound by all the other rules implies.

142 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:56:45am

In some good news, the New Mexico Supreme Court held in its ruling legalizing marriage equality that laws which discriminate against homosexuals should be subject to intermediate scrutiny, and not just the rational basis test, making it a lot harder to justify such laws.

143 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:58:24am

re: #129 calochortus

There is some nuance to that, though. Fundamentalists/conservatives are far more likely to marry young, while atheists/liberals live in sin during those years. The breakup of a relationship without a marriage doesn’t make it to the statistics.

And Catholics have the lowest divorce rate of christians because they risk eternal hellfire for a mortal sin…

If you can’t get an annulment (with enough money), you are screwed.

There is a lot to be said for determining compatibility of every kind before marriage, but marriage is also a lot of cooperation, sharing and planning, and some people are just lazy wankers and don’t want to do the work once the initial infatuation, sexual or otherwise, is over.

144 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 11:59:08am

re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader

Wouldn’t extra candles around that beard be a fire hazard?

Oooops!

145 Dr. Matt  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:00:05pm

Dudebro Chuck Todd just wished the POTUS a “Merry Christmas”……keeping in line with his right-wing masters.

146 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:00:12pm

re: #134 calochortus

So I’m not bound by any of the other restrictions either-except a few that mention me specifically like not squeezing the balls of some guy my husband is fighting with?

Of course you don’t squeeze balls. You need to get to work making some sammichs for your husband.

RBS

147 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:00:26pm

re: #142 aagcobb

In some good news, the New Mexico Supreme Court held in its ruling legalizing marriage equality that laws which discriminate against homosexuals should be subject to intermediate scrutiny, and not just the rational basis test, making it a lot harder to justify such laws.

And in some bad news:

148 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:00:44pm

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

Something like that - but the rule about absolute obedience to all the males would probably trump all the “freedom” not officially being bound by all the other rules implies.

Darn! On the other hand, with a little male complicity that would allow a family a lot of leeway wouldn’t it?

149 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:00:46pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Trust me, you can never win a fight with a fundie by using their holy book. I used to do it all the time with Muslim fundies, to no avail—all it did was anger them and frustrate me. They have too much invested in their worldview to allow any outsider to pierce the bubble. There is always a justification. Always.

Quite so. One little diff is my situation is dealing with evangelicals trying to sell me. That’s rare for you I think? I have the advantage-They came to me to convince me of something.

150 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:01:58pm
151 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:02:18pm

re: #146 RealityBasedSteve

Of course you don’t squeeze balls. You need to get to work making some sammichs for your husband.

RBS

Well yeah, but after I help him win his fight, right?

152 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:02:55pm

re: #151 calochortus

Well yeah, but after I help him win his fight, right?

ok, but we expect you to wash your hands first.

RBS

153 b.d.  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:04:39pm

WHY ARE THOSE MEMBERS OF THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA WISHING A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO A MUSLIM!?!?!?!?

154 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:06:33pm

War on Christmas this week! The networks aired Rudolph/Frosty/Charlie Brown Christmas shows.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:07:38pm

re: #148 calochortus

Darn! On the other hand, with a little male complicity that would allow a family a lot of leeway wouldn’t it?

I guess so, assuming everyone else in the village is going to let you get away with it.

156 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:07:39pm
157 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:08:13pm

re: #153 b.d.

WHY ARE THOSE MEMBERS OF THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA WISHING A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO A MUSLIM!?!?!?!?

To trip him up. Don’t you know that a Muslim can’t say the word “Christ”? it sticks in their throat and they stutter. It’s like Germans can’t say the word “squirrel”.

RBS
who isn’t making up the part about Germans.

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:09:45pm
159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:10:10pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Oh you mean like taking the word of a book written thousands of years ago rather than a scientific theory that relies on actual evidence and observation. Why are we arguing this in 2013.

160 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:10:21pm

re: #156 Kragar

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About “creation scientists”

One can be a “Creation Scientist” in the same way one can be a “Chaste Hooker”. You can be one OR the other, not both.

RBS

161 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:10:43pm

re: #147 wrenchwench

And in some bad news:

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That’s disappointing.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:11:11pm

re: #157 RealityBasedSteve

To trip him up. Don’t you know that a Muslim can’t say the word “Christ”? it sticks in their throat and they stutter. It’s like Germans can’t say the word “squirrel”.

RBS
who isn’t making up the part about Germans.

Etymology (from Wikipedia page on “squirrel”)

The word “squirrel”, first specified in 1327, comes from Anglo-Norman esquirel from the Old French escurel, the reflex of a Latin word sciurus. This Latin word was borrowed from the Ancient Greek word σκίουρος, skiouros, which means shadow-tailed, referring to the bushy appendage possessed by many of its members.

The native Old English word, ācweorna, survived only into Middle English (as aquerne) before being replaced. The Old English word is of Common Germanic origin, with cognates such as German Eichhorn, Norwegian ikorn/ekorn, Dutch eekhoorn, Swedish ekorre and Danish egern.

163 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:12:51pm

re: #155 Feline Fearless Leader

I guess so, assuming everyone else in the village is going to let you get away with it.

But if we’re only worrying about God’s law, then we’re good?

164 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:13:29pm

re: #149 Political Atheist

Quite so. One little diff is my situation is dealing with evangelicals trying to sell me. That’s rare for you I think? I have the advantage-They came to me to convince me of something.

Yes, it’s rare nowadays (thankfully). Even when they do occasionally show up at the door, I make it crystal clear that I’m not interested in discussing it. After 17+ years of taxi driving you develop a knack for letting people know when it’s unquestionably time for them to step the hell off.

Speaking of, I can’t deal with the ranting of the religious nutjobs today; it’s giving me nasty flashbacks to my youth and making me feel all twitchy, so I’m gonna leave before anything bad happens.

I’ll drop you a line this evening about the lens.

Later, lizards.

165 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:13:33pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

That’s disappointing.

Those trying to get the ban repealed say the NM Supreme Court decision will help them. So there’s a good news nugget in there.

166 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:13:48pm

re: #162 Feline Fearless Leader

Etymology (from Wikipedia page on “squirrel”)

Yea… but I’ve got a YouTube Video!!!!

Youtube Video

RBS

167 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:14:54pm

re: #164 CuriousLurker

Yes, it’s rare nowadays (thankfully). Even when they do occasionally show up at the door, I make it crystal clear that I’m not interested in discussing it. After 17+ years of taxi driving you develop a knack for letting people know when it’s unquestionably time for them to step the hell off.

Speaking of, I can’t deal with the ranting of the religious nutjobs today; it’s giving me nasty flashbacks to my youth and making me feel all twitchy, so I’m gonna leave before anything bad happens.

I’ll drop you a line this evening about the lens.

Later, lizards.

Take a slice of pie on the way out.

168 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:15:44pm
169 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:15:57pm

re: #163 calochortus

But if we’re only worrying about God’s law, then we’re good?

That’s sort of akin of only worrying about US law while not caring anything about the local laws and social mores. Might be sound legal footing, but perhaps not workable for an extended period of day-to-day living in that location.

170 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:16:19pm

What the everloving fucking fuck…

171 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:16:57pm

re: #164 CuriousLurker

And IIRC evangelical is not a Muslim thing. (?) Which makes sense to me, if God is really on your side who needs a big pitch? Especially that awful ‘prosperity” faith thing. *shudder*

172 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:17:47pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Because I’m the President damnit.

Youtube Video

173 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:18:28pm

JOHN BOEHNER RENTS APARTMENT FROM TANNING BED LOBBYIST

174 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:18:29pm

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

What the everloving fucking fuck…

[Embedded content]

He needs to move to Iran. Maybe he can be the first Christian Supreme Leader.

175 dog philosopher  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:18:42pm

i wonder if phil robertson himself is as big a WHINER as all of these fans of his who are screaming ‘censorship!’

176 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:19:13pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

Those trying to get the ban repealed say the NM Supreme Court decision will help them. So there’s a good news nugget in there.

Yeah I heard about the NM SC decision. Good on your state. I’m real proud of the process we’ve made on this issue.

177 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:19:55pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

178 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:21:30pm

re: #156 Kragar

[Embedded content]

that would be sum top-notch pro-ject-tion there Bubba!

I don’t know, dudebro or wingnut?

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:21:36pm

I don’t want to waste an hour of my life watching this shit, but I’ll bet there are some moments of freaking hilarity:

180 dog philosopher  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:22:21pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

White House press corps: “Mr. President, can you please explain why you aren’t curled up in a fetal position, weeping?”

obama’s ‘worst 2nd term ever’ is overall turning out much better than w’s, clinton’s, reagan’s, and nixon’s ‘worst 2nd term ever’

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:22:59pm

Heh. Typing “moose and squirrel” into Wikipedia does an automatic redirect to “The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show” page.
:)

182 dog philosopher  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:24:09pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

How To Debate A Liberal by @BenShapiro

one of these days he might run into a real liberal

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:24:16pm

I would like Ben Shapiro to debate my son.

The liberal one who is friends with Malala.

184 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:26:54pm

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. Typing “moose and squirrel” into Wikipedia does an automatic redirect to “The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show” page.
:)

Love Rocky and Bullwinkle. During the Cold War, the Kremlin made a point of denouncing the show by name, since the villains, Boris Badanov and Natasha, were obviously Russians: Another great illustration of the communist sense of humor.

185 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:27:41pm

re: #177 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Nice! Thanks!

186 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:27:44pm

Today, Ian Bayne called Phil Robertson, star of the A&E series “Duck Dynasty,” the ‘Rosa Parks’ of our generation.

OFFS

187 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:28:17pm

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

OK, OK, you win…

188 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:28:53pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

Love freedom and liberty but not for the gay or libtards

189 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:29:00pm

Baba, I found it!

What you need to write a Pie Version of …
Science of the perfect chocolate-chip cookie

190 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:29:22pm

Has anyone suggested throwing Robertson in jail for his statements?

No? Not even the nuttiest barking moonbat militants?

Case closed.

191 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:30:05pm

and this

192 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:30:22pm

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:12pm

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

Baba, I found it!

What you need to write a Pie Version of …
Science of the perfect chocolate-chip cookie

The Science of Pie Crust.

194 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:18pm

re: #192 Bulworth

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

You know how you would tell the difference between the two, the fake one wouldn’t be as hyperbolic and whiny.

195 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:29pm

196 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:31pm

re: #192 Bulworth

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

You mean the one where he says rational, humble things? Who’d ever believe it?

197 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:44pm

re: #192 Bulworth

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

nah… you can’t out-Poe the real thing. It would be like trying to fake one of baba’s pies, it wouldn’t be the same thing at all.

RBS

198 GunstarGreen  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:31:45pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel

Has anyone suggested throwing Robertson in jail for his statements?

No? Not even the nuttiest barking moonbat militants?

Case closed.

Nah dude, it’s exactly the same as Rosa Parks.

Because “imprisoned for being black” is exactly the same thing as “mocked for being christian”.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:32:23pm

re: #192 Bulworth

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

Gay Bryan Fischer, he loves everyone and everyone loves him! Happy happy, unicorns, rainbows and fabulous hair!

George Takei follows him!

200 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:32:47pm

re: #156 Kragar

I have a library full of evolution story books about the heroes of evolution. They’re very dear to me. ///

201 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:33:28pm
202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:33:58pm

re: #195 Shiplord Kirel

[Embedded image]

Tells you everything you need to know about the priorities of those conservatives who are just furious about Robertson not being able to be on A&E for the time being.

203 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:35:01pm

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

The Science of Pie Crust.

This is sad:

* Unfortunately, due to some legally binding document I signed, ironically, as the creator of the recipe but not the owner, I am now the only person in the universe who is not allowed to write about it. Never mind that. You can read about the science of it over at The Kitchn. Gotta love lawyers.

I follow Kenji’s tweets.

204 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:35:27pm

re: #192 Bulworth

The Fake Bryan Fischer account is begging to be created.

Falls under the same rules as Mr. Welch’s rules

“325. Even if he was a paragon of humanity in his alternate dimension, Good Hitler is not an appropriate superhero concept.”

205 Bulworth  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:35:52pm

CNN.com has BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

“President Obama says 2013 not the worst of his presidency”

Or some such thing. Please shoot me.

206 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:36:33pm

re: #205 Bulworth

CNN.com has BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

“President Obama says 2013 not the worst of his presidency”

Or some such thing. Please shoot me.

So which year was the worst? Or is he saving that for later?

207 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:38:23pm

bbl

208 Lidane  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:40:07pm

re: #1 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Is it too early to assume that this whole thing was a contrived publicity stunt from the beginning?

No. Because I’m convinced that’s all it is.

Back in late July, Phil Robertson was making noise about leaving the show and that he didn’t think he’d be on much longer, and that it would go on just fine without him:

‘Duck Dynasty’ patriarch Phil plans to leave show

What’s the best way to speed that process along? Saying something he knows will ignite controversy. And he just happens to say those things so they’re published right in time for the holidays? He gets to leave the show before the end of the year, A&E looks good to most of its advertisers and outside groups by suspending him for what he says, and in both cases they make money off the scandal. It’s win-win.

209 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:40:09pm
210 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:40:59pm

I’ll bet the sales of the DD Chia pets is through the roof.

211 AlexRogan  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:40:59pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Hey kids how about that Richard Pryor?

At least Pryor was funny…

212 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:41:18pm

re: #208 Lidane

How could we tell publicity stunt vs hardball salary raise negotiations?

213 Lidane  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:44:48pm

Also, anyone who makes a living creating a way for people to trick ducks into thinking they’re getting laid only to end up shot dead has no room to compare anything to bestiality.

The whole outrage is bogus and manufactured.

214 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:44:57pm
215 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:45:39pm

re: #204 Kragar

Falls under the same rules as Mr. Welch’s rules

“325. Even if he was a paragon of humanity in his alternate dimension, Good Hitler is not an appropriate superhero concept.”

Though Philip Jose Farmer made Goering into a good guy in his Riverworld series.

216 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:45:53pm

re: #104 Dr. Matt

This one really gets me, since there was an episode of DD about one of them getting a tattoo instead of wearing a wedding ring!!! (I have wingnut relatives who never turn the TV off…)

217 AlexRogan  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:45:53pm

re: #84 prairiefire

Most religions are absolute.

I see what you did there.

218 Skip Intro  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:46:37pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

So the Koch Brothers forgot to buy up all the judges when they bought up all the politicians?

Sloppy.

219 calochortus  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:46:38pm

BBL

220 Targetpractice  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:46:55pm

re: #215 aagcobb

Though Philip Jose Farmer made Goering into a good guy in his Riverworld series.

Some probably disagree, but I consider it debatable whether Goering was evil or just an self-serving asshole.

221 aagcobb  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:47:33pm

re: #206 calochortus

So which year was the worst? Or is he saving that for later?

Well lets see, during his first year, countless millions of Americans lost their jobs as the economy was collapsing. This year unemployment has dropped nearly a full percentage point, but a federal website was glitchy. Hmm, that’s a tough one!//

222 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:48:00pm

re: #217 AlexRogan

I see what you did there.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes!

223 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:48:26pm

So if his “free speech” is being stopped by someone non governmental, and that is a true constitutional crisis. Then what about the righties that demand that their candidate be of the correct religious persuasion?

Article 6, Paragraph 3 of US constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

224 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:49:30pm

re: #223 Eventual Carrion

So if his “free speech” is being stopped by someone non governmental, and that is a true constitutional crisis. Then what about the righties that demand that their candidate be of the correct religious persuasion?

Article 6, Paragraph 3 of US constitution:

Kind of puts a wrench in the spokes of “America is a Christian nation” tricycle.

225 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:49:55pm

re: #213 Lidane

Also, anyone who makes a living creating a way for people to trick ducks into thinking they’re getting laid only to end up shot dead has no room to compare anything to bestiality.

The whole outrage is bogus and manufactured.

I think you just won the internet today hahaha.

226 Political Atheist  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:50:24pm

It’s about money.

‘Duck Dynasty’ Comments Could Spur Merchandise Sales, Experts Predict

Unlike controversies that erupt when a high profile personality is suspended for drug use or domestic violence, Robertson’s is tied to the type of difference in religious values that could rally consumers to his cause. A spokesman for A&E, which airs Duck Dynasty and suspended Robertson indefinitely for his remarks in GQ article, declined to comment for this story. However, a network source confirmed that while the show has a wide national audience, it’s especially strong in the southern and southwestern U.S. — particularly the Bible Belt - where for many viewers’ faith can drive shopping habits.

227 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:50:29pm

re: #213 Lidane

Also, anyone who makes a living creating a way for people to trick ducks into thinking they’re getting laid only to end up shot dead has no room to compare anything to bestiality.

The whole outrage is bogus and manufactured.

For the love of all that is holy, please don’t google “duck penis”

RBS

228 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:51:09pm

re: #226 Political Atheist

It’s about money.

It’s always about money. Money or sex. Or both.

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:51:26pm

re: #227 RealityBasedSteve

For the love of all that is holy, please don’t google “duck penis”

RBS

Too late. JK.

230 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:52:55pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

It’s always about money. Money or sex. Or both.

wait… you mean I’m NOT supposed to be getting money for sex? Damn… there goes the retirement plan. Thanks a lot.

RBS

231 AlexRogan  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:53:39pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

Far as I can tell, A&E registered the “Duck Dynasty” trademark when the show was created. The Robertsons had a show on the Outdoor Channel, but it didn’t go by the same name. My assumption at this point was that the idea that they could just quit and take the show on the road seemed fanciful, as A&E likely has the contract set up so that any decision on the family’s part to bug out would mean surrendering enough control over the show and intellectual property as to leave them with no way to resume on another station.

If that’s the case and if the rest of the Robertsons decide to walk in support of Big Daddy Phil, I hope A&E tells them to pound sand and lawyer up.

In the meantime, I’m sure that they’d all just sob into the huge bags of money that they’ve all made from the show so far and from Duck Commander (which, perversely, will most likely see even more sales from all of this).

232 dog philosopher  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:54:54pm

re: #227 RealityBasedSteve

For the love of all that is holy, please don’t google “duck penis”

RBS

ok now the ad algorithm is gonna serve up holy duck penis ads

233 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:55:31pm

re: #224 Kragar

Kind of puts a wrench in the spokes of “America is a Christian nation” tricycle.

I think the Treaty of Tripoli, voted for unanimously, by people that were, you know, actually around at the time of our nations founding and with their asses on the line if it failed does it for me.

Main line in treaty that makes me think this (tell me if I am reading this line incorrectly):

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,

Doesn’t seem too ambiguous to me.

234 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:55:50pm

I mean the thing here is your actions have consequences. If I have a TV show and I make disparaging remarks about a group. Why should I be shocked if there’s a backlash? I think given what we know about the Robertsons wanting more money and Phil not being sure he’d be on the show more that this was a well calculated move on his part. He is now a conservative folk hero and conservatives are going to buy his products even more now that they know he’s a friend in the “fight.” So yeah hard to really feel bad for the guy.

235 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:56:27pm

re: #226 Political Atheist

It’s about money.

Exactly. I’ve already heard all kinds of things about a DD BUYCOTT. I’m not a saying it’s weird or anything, but there will be RWNJ’s sleeping under a DD Blanket, resting their heads on the bearded visages on their new DD Pillow cases, and in the morning, drying after the their shower with a DD towel. Of course, that’s just my take on it.

RBS

236 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:56:35pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

Huzzahh!! Good news!!

Meanwhile, back Scooters playground

Gov. Scott Walker signed a bill Thursday making it more difficult for the state to force schools to drop their Indian team names and voiding state orders to change the nicknames for Mukwonago High School and two other schools.

Walker’s action rewrites a 2010 law — the first of its kind in the nation — that made it extremely hard for schools to keep their American Indian team names, mascots or logos if they had complaints filed against them.

237 AlexRogan  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:58:16pm

re: #126 FemNaziBitch

WHAT?

That tweet was pretty derpalicious, but it did make me think of this:
Youtube Video
Mel Brooks’ stuff never gets old.

238 HappyWarrior  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 12:59:13pm

re: #236 Amory Blaine

Huzzahh!! Good news!!

Meanwhile, back Scooters playground

Glad Walker is concerned about what’s important. Damn I hope the Wisconsin Democratic Party has a good candidate to run against this tool.

239 AlexRogan  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 1:03:22pm

re: #195 Shiplord Kirel

[Embedded image]

Yeah, pretty much.

This falls under “dog bites man” territory.

240 Kragar  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 1:46:49pm

re: #233 Eventual Carrion

I think the Treaty of Tripoli, voted for unanimously, by people that were, you know, actually around at the time of our nations founding and with their asses on the line if it failed does it for me.

Main line in treaty that makes me think this (tell me if I am reading this line incorrectly):

Doesn’t seem too ambiguous to me.

I had forgotten all about that.

241 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 3:04:13pm

re: #211 AlexRogan

At least Pryor was funny…

“and that’s when I got on the tractor and drove to Peoria, Illinois,
746 miles on one tank of gas!”

242 Areopagitica  Fri, Dec 20, 2013 3:49:16pm

And what were to happen if one of Robertson’s employees (does he have any?) were to shut down his duck call lathe and start talking about how he supports pro-choice groups and that his co-workers are wrong about Christianity? Papa Robertson would probably and promptly tell him to “git the heck off my property!” So why all of a sudden is this nitwit a victim of his employer, A&E, decision to flip the tables and protect it’s image and brand?

The scary ass facet of this is the number of people who somehow think that this is a battle over first amendment rights (and also think its Obama’s fault). People don’t know nor do they seem to care to know about how the U.S. government functions. They blindly believe the stupid crap that comes out of Palin and Hanity’s mouth. Now its a war on christians as if this is some third world country were groups are massacred based on their religious beliefs.

I recently did a stint as an adjunct professor at a law school teaching 1L’s, among other things, the structure of how the government works under the constitution and you would all be appalled at how this completely shocked many of the students (all college grads). It was like they totally thought the Breitbart/Cruz/Jindal-esque version of the constitution was the real deal and not some made up liberal commie version envisioned by the Founders like Alexander Hamilton….

For those of you lizards who have young lizards, for the love of all that is holy, teach them early on how thie federal government works otherwise idiots like Robertson will wind up running for public office and win after they tell everyone that liberals hate jesus and he is the last line of defense of the Founder’s ideals that this country be run by jesus-freaks.

No offense meant toward JC, he’s a good guy in my book ;)

243 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 21, 2013 5:58:52am

re: #171 Political Atheist

And IIRC evangelical is not a Muslim thing. (?) Which makes sense to me, if God is really on your side who needs a big pitch? Especially that awful ‘prosperity” faith thing. *shudder*

There are Muslims who proselytize, but they usually don’t do it door-to-door like the Christians, which is what I was referring to. One look at my hijab and me explaining to them that I’ve “been there, done that” and am not interested in going back is usually enough to make them smile uncomfortably & skedaddle.

Yeah, that whole “prosperity gospel” thing is a huge scam. Ugh.


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