Edward Snowden’s Joyful Christmas Message: “Sensors in Your Pocket” Are Destroying All Privacy

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Oh, please. Really? We can’t even get away from this lunatic defector on Christmas? Edward Snowden to Broadcast Channel 4’s Alternative Christmas Day Message.

Edward Snowden, the whistleblower who prompted a worldwide debate when he leaked a cache of top secret documents about US and UK spying, has recorded a Christmas Day television message in which he calls for an end to the mass surveillance revealed by his disclosures.

The short film was recorded for Channel 4, which has 20-year history of providing unusual but relevant figures as an alternative to the Queen’s Christmas message shown by other UK broadcasters. It will be Snowden’s first television appearance since arriving in Moscow.

[…]

In excerpts from the address released by Channel 4, Snowden says George Orwell “warned us of the danger of this kind of information” in his dystopian novel, 1984.

Snowden says: “The types of collection in the book - microphones and video cameras, TVs that watch us - are nothing compared to what we have available today. We have sensors in our pockets that track us everywhere we go. Think about what this means for the privacy of the average person.

“A child born today will grow up with no conception of privacy at all. They’ll never know what it means to have a private moment to themselves an unrecorded, unanalysed thought. And that’s a problem because privacy matters; privacy is what allows us to determine who we are and who we want to be.”

[…]

Snowden says: “The conversation occurring today will determine the amount of trust we can place both in the technology that surrounds us and the government that regulates it. Together we can find a better balance, end mass surveillance and remind the government that if it really wants to know how we feel, asking is always cheaper than spying.”

“We have sensors in our pockets?” What the hell?

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209 comments
1 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:05:16am

Dear Edward Snowden:

FOAD.

Merry Christmas,

Gus

2 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:10:06am

I thought I’d had it already, but I’m really starting to get sick of these people now.

3 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:15:39am

Hahahaha!

4 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:16:39am

re: #3 Gus

“The Christmas address?” What is he, the Pope?

5 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:17:08am

People like Snowden (as well as people who like Snowden) absolutely revel in their own bleak vision. They seem to really want their dystopian nightmare, because it would prove them right and justified in their bitching.

I cannot see the point in craving such a joyless existence.

6 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:17:27am

Psycho!

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:18:28am

re: #3 Gus

An “extra gift.”

Christmas must be such a fun time in the Greenwald house.

8 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:20:28am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

An “extra gift.”

Christmas must be such a fun time in the Greenwald house.

Cult.

9 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:21:06am

re: #4 calochortus

“The Christmas address?” What is he, the Pope?

He’s the DUDEPOPE.

10 ObserverArt  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:21:41am

I’ve been meaning to do this image for some time. This morning I finished it off.

For the tea rockers…and it might even fit today’s dudebros…

11 Kragar  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:23:43am

Puffed up little shit.

12 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:23:49am

So… Is that a sensor in your pocket? Or are you just glad to see me?

Sorry, had to go there.

In all seriousness, what is it with this guy. Is he afraid that if the spotlight isn’t on him every 15 minutes people will start to realize what an absolute disaster he has been. Even if you don’t agree with the information gathering program, (and there are things in it I feel need to be scaled back / controlled or the data embargoed until proof provided to query for specific patterns), you can’t applaud someone who takes who knows how much data, obtained by theft, and goes running to China and Russia with it.

I would have no problems with somebody pulling an ‘Eichmann’ on him to get him back into this country, and then tried.

RBS

13 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:25:51am

Awesome. I haz me some dudebro Snowden cult trolls on the Twitter.

14 allegro  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:27:10am

Snowden et al appear to confuse the US government with Verizon and other cell phone service providers who really are tracking us with their “sensors” that we carry voluntarily in our pockets.

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:27:42am

re: #10 ObserverArt

Awesome job, looks great!

16 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:30:07am

re: #10 ObserverArt

I’ve been meaning to do this image for some time. This morning I finished it off.

For the tea rockers…and it might even fit today’s dudebros…

[Embedded image]

Thank you OA, thank you very much.

17 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:31:08am

re: #13 Gus

Awesome. I haz me some dudebro Snowden cult trolls on the Twitter.

And I feel pity for those poor trolls when they realize who they’re messing with.

18 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:32:29am

re: #12 RealityBasedSteve

You’d be surprised; some weasels over at TPM are defending fleeing to Russia.

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:33:51am

re: #4 calochortus

“The Christmas address?” What is he, the Pope?

Speaking of the Pope:

Four Myths about Pope Francis (paywall, but a low one)

When he was elected bishop of Rome this past March 13, more than a few people wondered just who Jorge Mario Bergoglio was — which was precisely the reaction to the election of Karol Wojtyla as bishop of Rome on October 16, 1978. That night, Wojtyla described himself to his new diocese as having come “from a far country”; nine months ago, Bergoglio told the crowds gathered in the Roman dusk that the cardinals had gone “to the end of the earth” to find a new pope. Wojtyla, taking the name John Paul II, went on to become the most consequential pope in centuries; Bergoglio, taking the name of the beloved poverello of Assisi, quickly seized the public imagination, reminding the world in the process that the world needs a pastor’s care, and a pastor’s challenge, whether the world admits it or not.

Yet many still wonder just who Pope Francis is. To which the answer is: He is a man of many parts. He is a radically converted Christian disciple who has known the mercy of God in his own life and who wants others to know that experience. He is an old-fashioned Jesuit, steeped in the Ignatian idea of spiritual combat, committed to an austere way of life, willing to take risks for the sake of the Gospel. He is a reformer who is calling the Catholic Church to recover the missionary zeal of its origins, and who will make structural changes in the Church in service to that evangelical imperative.

He is a man of compassion for the “peripheries,” who will not let the world forget what the world often wants to forget about the abuse of power, the instrumentalization of the poor, the cheapening of human life, the personal and social costs of the cult of the autonomous self. Surprising those who have known him longest, and who thus knew his longstanding reticence, he has become a public personality, with an uncanny ability for the caring gesture that embodies that love which, as Saint Paul taught two millennia ago, is the more perfect way.

20 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:34:07am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

And I feel pity for those poor trolls when they realize who they’re messing with.

I’m ignoring them. If they get manic and start Tweeting me every 60 seconds then I’ll block them.

21 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:35:43am

When I first saw “Snowden Christmas message” earlier I thought it was a joke. It’s not a joke. These people are freaking strange.

22 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:35:56am

I am official out of self-imposed Pages Gulag.

23 Snarknado!  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:36:58am

The “sensor in your pocket” is your phone and its GPS capabilities. Put that way it sounds less ominous, of course.

On the other hand… color me paranoid, but there’s a reason I usually keep my phone turned off.

24 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:37:12am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

I am official out of self-imposed Pages Gulag.

Good timing.

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of the Pope:

Four Myths about Pope Francis (paywall, but a low one)

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:38:51am

DAFUQ he think he is? Jesus Christ?

26 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:39:37am

re: #23 Snarknado!

The “sensor in your pocket” is your phone and its GPS capabilities. Put that way it sounds less ominous, of course.

On the other hand… color me paranoid, but there’s a reason I usually keep my phone turned off.

Supposedly they can track you even when it is off-which makes me wonder if that means they can see where you’ve been when you turn it back on, or if the gps is on all the time. If the latter, why can’t they use it to find lost people in the wilderness?

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:39:41am

Thanks Ed. You know some of us just want to get away from bs like yours for just one day.

28 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:39:42am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

DAFUQ he think he is? Jesus Christ?

Yes.

29 Kragar  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:39:47am

Lets have a Merry Snowden Christmas!

Rob from your employer and family, give away secrets to people who want to see them fail, run to another town, then tell everyone what a hero you are!

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:39:56am

My boss kicked everybody out.

I wanted to buy some vegetables for our Nittel Night Chinese Dinner but the Meijer store was swarmed, so I went to the kosher grocery.

31 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:40:04am

re: #10 ObserverArt

I’ve been meaning to do this image for some time. This morning I finished it off.

For the tea rockers…and it might even fit today’s dudebros…

[Embedded image]

Sweet graphic!

Merry Christmas/Festivus/Kwanzaa/Hanukah (belated)/Solstice (also belated)/Saturnalia, or just another Wednesday to all of the Lizard Nation. Health, happiness, and hugs all around.

And a big raspberry to the King of Snowdonia in his cold, lonely dacha. What a douche.

32 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:40:04am

re: #20 Gus

I’m ignoring them. If they get manic and start Tweeting me ever 60 seconds then I’ll block them.

I know what the internet needs. (besides more lol-cats), is a technology installed inside every device that people use to access the web. When somebody makes an incredibly stupid statement, devoid of any fact or reason, you could click a button and the device would administer a strong ‘dope slap’ to the persons head. It can’t be avoided, disabled or by-passed. As a safety restriction, the dope slap protocol could only be enabled AFTER an appropriate warning first, each internet user is only allowed to apply a very limited of dope slaps in a given time period, and the dope slap must be applied with 3 minutes of the stupid statement being made.

Dark_Falcon… Fire up the 3d Printer…. We have a revolution in the internet to start.


RBS

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:40:20am

re: #28 Gus

Yes.

Somebody get a hammer & nails.

34 Kragar  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:41:22am

re: #33 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody get a hammer & nails.

He’ll never eat M&Ms again!

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:41:24am

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal, Edward?

36 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:41:48am
37 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:42:21am

re: #26 calochortus

Supposedly they can track you even when it is off-which makes me wonder if that means they can see where you’ve been when you turn it back on, or if the gps is on all the time. If the latter, why can’t they use it to find lost people in the wilderness?

Most phones just have a GPS receiver and they are actually located by direction finding from cell towers ( a technique with origins dating back to World War II). To help find someone is a place with no cell service, the phone would need to have a GPS transmitter as well.

38 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:42:36am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Good timing.

sorry, I’m not giving the National Review two bits.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:42:41am

Dear Ed Snowden:

A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you & yours!!

Ha ha just kidding. DIAF.

Love, Babushka.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:42:48am
41 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:43:06am

Maybe we’re all misunderstanding “Christmas address”.
Perhaps the address in question is 1234 Lenin Dr., Apt. 4C. After the holidays, he’ll relocate to Apt. 7B.

42 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:43:16am
43 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:44:52am

Santa seems to be the ultimate spy.

AND, he does it without tax money. He is part of the Private Sector.

How come no one is up-in-arms about Santa?

44 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:45:05am

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Most phones just have a GPS receiver and they are actually located by direction finding from cell towers ( a technique with origins dating back to World War II). To help find someone is a place with no cell service, the phone would need to have a GPS transmitter as well.

So couldn’t you fit a plane with a transmitter of some sort that could let them know when they’re in the right neighborhood for a ground search?

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:45:56am

Tiny!

46 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:45:56am

Channel 4 presents: A Christmas DERP, delivered by a traitor asshole. As approved by Vladimir Putin.

47 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:46:02am

Greenwald is insane.

48 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:46:26am

re: #44 calochortus

So couldn’t you fit a plane with a transmitter of some sort that could let them know when they’re in the right neighborhood for a ground search?

Yes, that could be done.

49 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:47:07am

I have a pie for Glenn Greenwald and Ed Snowden!
Youtube Video

50 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:48:44am

re: #44 calochortus

So couldn’t you fit a plane with a transmitter of some sort that could let them know when they’re in the right neighborhood for a ground search?

Most aircraft already have that rig installed. It’s an emergency beacon that starts yelling “Hey! HereI am!” when the plane goes down.

51 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:48:47am

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Yes, that could be done.

I wonder why they don’t do it then? There must be some reason. Of course, you can’t guarantee someone will have a phone with them, but it’s getting to where it’s a good bet they will.

52 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:49:01am

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

Santa seems to be the ultimate spy.

AND, he does it without tax money. He is part of the Private Sector.

How come no one is up-in-arms about Santa?

They are, GGT. That’s why NORAD is providing Santa with a fighter escort this year. Snowden stole Santa’s planned flight routes and NORAD is afraid Putin might try to shoot Santa down.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:49:15am

Oh lord…

The New Blacklist

I’m sorry to arrive late to this controversy — explanation forthcoming in a later posting — but my impression is that the word “blacklist” has not been mentioned much in the debate over the Robertson family, GLAAD, and the A&E channel. Or if it has been mentioned, it certainly hasn’t had the central role that it should have had in this row. For what GLAAD has been operating is a classic blacklist operation.

54 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:49:34am
55 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:50:05am

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

They are, GGT. That’s why NORAD is providing Santa with a fighter escort this year. Snowden stole Santa’s planned flight routes and NORAD is afraid Putin might try to shoot Santa down.

I must have missed that part.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:50:21am

re: #53 Targetpractice

good freak’ grief…

57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:50:26am

re: #51 calochortus

I wonder why they don’t do it then? There must be some reason. Of course, you can’t guarantee someone will have a phone with them, but it’s getting to where it’s a good bet they will.

You actually need two transmitters, BTW, because there are two different kinds of mobile phone technology in use in the US.

58 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:50:28am
59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:51:00am

It’s WATCHING YOU!!!11!!

(oops! wrong one! fixed now…)

60 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:51:54am

Christmas eve is like a freak magnet.

61 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:52:08am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s WATCHING YOU!!!11!!

[Embedded content]

It’s in YOUR POCKET!

62 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:52:17am

re: #50 austin_blue

Most aircraft already have that rig installed. It’s an emergency beacon that starts yelling “Hey! HereI am!” when the plane goes down.

Well, I’d certainly want one of those on any plane I was in. There was a plane that disappeared over the Idaho wilderness at the beginning of the month that must not have had one. The family was local and I’m sure if they’d been found we would have seen it on the news.

63 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:52:37am
64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:52:56am

re: #61 wrenchwench

It’s in YOUR POCKET!

hahahaa! Had the marmoset again instead of the heater. Works for both, though.
:D

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:53:34am
66 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:53:39am

Be good, for sensors sake.

67 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:54:16am

re: #66 jaunte

Be good, for sensors sake.

“Is that a sensor in your pocket or are you just glad to meet me?”

68 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:54:35am
69 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:55:21am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Oh lord…

The New Blacklist

[Embedded image]

Blacklist? Did this person read good ol’ Phil’s musings on black *people*?

70 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:55:33am

re: #53 Targetpractice

That must be the new talking point in RWNJ-Land (no women, hispanics or non-christians really welcome).

I’ve seen a couple of articles on that theme, that it’s a violation of his freedom of speech rights because even if it’s not the Government because of Derpity Derp. I’m sure that there is an internal logic they see, but they have the secret decoder rings that make it all clear to them.

RBS

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:56:16am

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

Santa seems to be the ultimate spy.

AND, he does it without tax money. He is part of the Private Sector.

How come no one is up-in-arms about Santa?

They don’t want to get a lump of coal!

72 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:56:17am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaa! Had the marmoset again instead of the heater. Works for both, though.
:D

Oh, now you maked me look dumb.

er.

73 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:56:58am
74 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:57:32am

“We have sensors in our pockets?” What the hell?

Did you not know that your typical smart phone can sense when you are walking/running/limping? If you have nothing to hide, shouldn’t your doctor/employer/parole-officer/health-care-provider/potential-insurer etc have access to such info? Need-to-know, and all that.

75 Slap  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:57:48am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Time for some Arlo wisdom:

You must think Santa Clause weird
He has long hair and a beard
Giving his presents for free
Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

Let’s get Santa Clause ‘cause;
Santa Clause has a red suit
He’s a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What’s in the pipe that he’s smoking?

Mister Clause sneaks in your home at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

76 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:58:02am
77 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:58:09am

re: #70 RealityBasedSteve

That must be the new talking point in RWNJ-Land (no women, hispanics or non-christians really welcome).

I’ve seen a couple of articles on that theme, that it’s a violation of his freedom of speech rights because even if it’s not the Government because of Derpity Derp. I’m sure that there is an internal logic they see, but they have the secret decoder rings that make it all clear to them.

RBS

It’s not confined to wingnuts, as concern trolls have also taken up the cause that is “People should be able to say whatever they want without consequence.” Which is a nice ideal, except if you’re trying to run a network where pissing off enough viewers can doom an otherwise successful show.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:58:23am

re: #72 wrenchwench

Oh, now you maked me look dumb.

er.

no, I was too fast to click “post it” without previewing it first.
Was my bad…

79 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:58:23am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Santa is an NSA Operative!

He has access to Every Household In The World!!11!!

And do we perceive the threat? No! We give him milk and cookies! What sheeple we are!

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 11:59:40am

A misspelled search turns up Putin.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:00:06pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

It’s not confined to wingnuts, as concern trolls have also taken up the cause that is “People should be able to say whatever they want without consequence.” Which is a nice ideal, except if you’re trying to run a network where pissing off enough viewers can doom an otherwise successful show.

But that only applies to THEM. If anyone says something they disagree with, well…..

82 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:00:15pm
83 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:00:38pm

I wrote this last year, but what the heck:

NRA Night Before Christmas

Twas the night before Christmas and
and all through the place
Everyone had a gun regardless of race.
Mom with her Beretta and I with my glock
Had just settled down for some time off the clock.

When all of a sudden there arose such a clatter,
I grabbed my shotgun to see what was the matter.
There were loud thumping noises just outside the door,
So I ran to the closet to load up the M4.

Fast moving shapes started zipping on by,
I just had to see, had to see what was outside.
Carbine in hand I peered through the door,
And saw something I’d never quite seen there before.

It was a thick armored sleigh, with green camo paint,
and eight little reindeers on tight, thick restraints.
With a big burly driver so strong looking and quick,
I knew right then that this must be St. Nick.

Like flying shell casings his reindeer they came,
and he laughed a little bit and then called them by name:
“Now Smith! Now Wesson! Now Walther and Luger!
On Browning, On Colt, On Sig and on Ruger!”

To the roof he then took them with a strike of the rope,
that had all the precision of a high powered scope.
I rushed back inside in a real mad dash,
and saw St. Nick come into the house with a crash.

He was dressed all in black, he looked so sublime,
I was wondering why I saw no red this time.
With a smile he looked at me and said “don’t you fear,
I decided to upgrade with some tactical gear.”

His face was rugged, worked and well toiled
and he shook when he laughed like a gun in recoil.
A large bag of gear sat at rest on his back,
and at once he knelt down and unloaded the pack.

He set down two .38s with nice antique grips,
Then a vest of Kevlar and some high ammo clips.
Finally with a whimsical, wonderful sound,
he dropped off a huge box of hollow point rounds.

He was incredibly quiet, like a expert trained sniper,
and he moved with the skill of a big lethal viper.
Then he said with a smile as left towards the sleigh,
“Don’t let that Obama guy take them guns away.”

He sprang to the outside, to his team gave a holler,
and then disappeared like so many tax dollars.
And I heard him exclaim as he flew through the air:
Merry Christmas to all from Mr. Wayne Lapierre!

84 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:01:54pm

re: #62 calochortus

Well, I’d certainly want one of those on any plane I was in. There was a plane that disappeared over the Idaho wilderness at the beginning of the month that must not have had one. The family was local and I’m sure if they’d been found we would have seen it on the news.

They are called ELT’s (Emergency Location Transmitters). They can be manually triggered, or will go off in the event of a high impact. The signal can be picked up by satellite with a location accuracy down to about 100 meters. Scott AFB near St. Louis used to be the coordinating agency that all the reports came into to. I know when I was up in Alaska we would get a call from Scott occasionally about an ELT detected on the airfield. I’d have to go out to the flight line and check them all.

Pretty cool technology. People don’t know how hard an aircraft can be to locate in deep woods.

RBS

85 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:02:04pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

But that only applies to THEM. If anyone says something they disagree with, well…..

Yep, Phil Robertson is such an oppressed fellow. Meanwhile, Martin Bashir is still trying to get the boot prints out of his favorite pair of pants.

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:02:08pm
87 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:02:28pm

re: #62 calochortus

Well, I’d certainly want one of those on any plane I was in. There was a plane that disappeared over the Idaho wilderness at the beginning of the month that must not have had one. The family was local and I’m sure if they’d been found we would have seen it on the news.

Many of the beacons don’t survive the crash intact. But if they don’t, there is probably no need for a sense of urgency over the health of the pilot/passengers, if you follow me.

88 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:02:43pm

National
Santa Claus
Agency

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:02:48pm
90 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:03:13pm

re: #87 austin_blue

Unfortunately, yes.

91 calochortus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:03:36pm

BBL.
Must work on the Buche de Noel. In fact, I’ll probably be in and out here all afternoon. I do a lot of the prep for Xmas Eve Dinner in little bits over the course of the day.
Said Yule Log is emblematic of that: Set butter out to soften, make custard for filling, wash dishes, chill custard, finish making filling, wash dishes, chill filling, bake cake, wash dishes, roll and cool cake, unroll cake, fill cake with now cool filling, wash dishes, make frosting, frost and decorate cake, wash dishes. Serious yumminess and worth it once a year.

92 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:04:28pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

It’s not confined to wingnuts, as concern trolls have also taken up the cause that is “People should be able to say whatever they want without consequence.” Which is a nice ideal, except if you’re trying to run a network where pissing off enough viewers can doom an otherwise successful show.

Words have meaning, actions have consequences. Concern trolls are concerned.

RBS

93 BongCrodny  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:05:00pm

Is that a privacy-destroying sensor in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

No joke too old, no joke too bad.

94 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:05:42pm
95 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:05:56pm

re: #79 austin_blue

Santa is an NSA Operative!

He has access to Every Household In The World!!11!!

And do we perceive the threat? No! We give him milk and cookies! What sheeple we are!

well, with “Stand your ground” he’s in deep ca-ca first time a floorboard creeks and some home-owner grabs his piece and wastes the fat man in a blaze of hot lead.

RBS

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:06:44pm
97 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:07:23pm

re: #95 RealityBasedSteve

well, with “Stand your ground” he’s in deep ca-ca first time a floorboard creeks and some home-owner grabs his piece and wastes the fat man in a blaze of hot lead.

RBS

SANTA is NSA, KGB, CIA and all the others. They report to him.

Surveillance Acceptance N’ Transmit Agency.

98 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:08:13pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

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Why do is suspect that ornament isn’t featured prominently at Holy Hobby Lobby?

99 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:08:38pm
100 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:10:16pm
101 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:11:20pm

My all-time favorite version of Twas the Night Before Christmas, by Sal Monella. He reminds me of Archie Bunker, LOL:

Youtube Video

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:11:43pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

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And it was that shit, effectively instituting a defacto an on CDC performing any studies into gun-related deaths, that has handicapped attempts by others. The CDC has access to far more data than most outside groups, but what those groups have is pretty damning.

103 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:13:23pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

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Is it just me, or does the snake on that Gadsden flag look like a turd?

104 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:13:38pm

Idiocy of the Day.

Predators target women are are vulnerable. Making the women not vulnerable is not accomplished by gun ownership. It takes a lot of therapy.

105 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:14:19pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

That’s no snake!

106 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:14:48pm
107 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:14:49pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Is it just me, or does the snake on that Gadsden flag look like a turd?

You make the call….

RBS

108 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:15:24pm

re: #105 jaunte

That’s no snake!

You’re right! LOL

109 GlutenFreeJesus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:15:30pm

re: #43 FemNaziBitch

Santa seems to be the ultimate spy.

AND, he does it without tax money. He is part of the Private Sector.

How come no one is up-in-arms about Santa?

Because he’s white. Duh!

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:15:46pm
111 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:16:15pm
112 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:16:16pm

re: #109 GlutenFreeJesus

Because he’s white. Duh!

*facepalm*

113 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:16:36pm

re: #100 FemNaziBitch

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Congress will probably renew the funding ban, which will make the president’s executive order moot. A federal agency may not spend money on something Congress has prohibited them spending money on, no matter what the president may want.

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:17:26pm

ASKING IS CHEAPER THAN SPYING.

Is this guy for real?

115 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:17:56pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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Which is why he asked his bosses what the NSA was doing rather than stealing it and running off to another country.

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116 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:18:37pm
117 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:19:30pm

re: #95 RealityBasedSteve

well, with “Stand your ground” he’s in deep ca-ca first time a floorboard creeks and some home-owner grabs his piece and wastes the fat man in a blaze of hot lead.

RBS

Within one’s own home, the Castle Doctrine controls, not Stand Your Ground. That does not simply mean’ shoot if you want’, but it does mean that in no state does a person in his or her own home have a ‘duty to retreat’.

118 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:19:41pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Congress will probably renew the funding ban, which will make the president’s executive order moot. A federal agency may not spend money on something Congress has prohibited them spending money on, no matter what the president may want.

And this would be the same Congress that currently has an approval rating lower then amoebic dysentery, the same Congress that is full of tea party darlings that rant about “low information voters”? The Congress that is bound and determined to prevent information being collected and studied?

Oh, it all makes perfect sense now.

RBS

119 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:20:26pm
“if the govt really wants to know how we feel, asking is always cheaper than spying.”

There’s some groundbreaking, earth-changing, world-historical thinking.

120 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:20:36pm

LOLWUT?????

A quick Google search indicates that Phil Robertson really did say this…

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:21:10pm

re: #103 CuriousLurker

Is it just me, or does the snake on that Gadsden flag look like a turd?

122 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:21:38pm

re: #119 jaunte

There’s some groundbreaking, earth-changing, world-historical thinking.

Dear Al Qaeda:

Enclosed, please find questionnaire regarding some questions we’ve been meaning to ask you…

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:22:26pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

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I took that test yesterday.
My results were Rockford, Ill., Seattle and Salt Lake City.
Never been anywhere near any of those places.

124 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:22:35pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

“A good woman is hard to find. Mainly because these boys are waiting until they get to be about 20 years old before they marry ‘em. Look, you wait till they get to be about 20 years old, they only picking that’s going to take place is your pocket. You gotta marry these girls when they’re 15 or 16, they’ll pick your ducks. You need to check with mom and dad about that, of course.” — Speaking at Sportsmen’s Ministry in Georgia in 2009.

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:23:01pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLWUT?????

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A quick Google search indicates that Phil Robertson really did say this…

That’s a sentiment with significant historical roots in the south, I feel compelled to note.

I also have to get going. BBL

126 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:23:22pm

Dear North Korea…

127 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:23:37pm

Dear Iran Republican Guard…

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:23:53pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

I took that test yesterday.
My results were Rockford, Ill., Seattle and Salt Lake City.
Never been anywhere near any of those places.

The first time I took the quiz I got “New Jersey” and I thought NO FREAKING WAY. I took it again, paying careful attention to the way I talked when I was growing up.

Also I think “Devil’s Night” was unique to my hometown.

129 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:23:54pm

Dear FARC…

130 EdDantes  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:24:02pm

Merry Christmas, everyone!

131 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:24:52pm
132 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:25:30pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

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Apparently I hail from Alabama…which is hilarious, because I was born in Washington and all my redneck relatives come from Kentucky.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:27:57pm

Yikes!
I’ve got friends in Cleveland…

134 Jack Burton  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:29:54pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

ASKING IS CHEAPER THAN SPYING.

Is this guy for real?

Excuse me General Soandso, could you save us some hassle and a few bucks and tell us your troop movement plans?

Yep. That should work. Slash the intelligence budget NAO!

135 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:32:20pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Apparently I hail from Alabama…which is hilarious, because I was born in Washington and all my redneck relatives come from Kentucky.

I’m from Texas, but according to the test I talk like someone from Missouri or Northern California.

136 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:34:48pm

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:37:38pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

All I have to do is visit the Nashville area for a single day and it takes me months to shed that accent. Spent my first three years in Nashville area. Last time I visited, I called my mom a few days later. First thing she said, “You’ve been to Nashville recently, haven’t you?”

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:37:52pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

Being Navy brat, I’ve been told on more than one occasion over the years that I either have no accent or talk like a “city boy.”

139 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:38:31pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

They totally pegged me with one of my answers. My three cities were Baltimore, St. Louis, and my actual hometown

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

I took that test yesterday.
My results were Rockford, Ill., Seattle and Salt Lake City.
Never been anywhere near any of those places.

I’ve been through Baltimore, but nowhere near St. Louis.

140 nines09  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:38:46pm

re: #121 Pie-onist Overlord

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That’s exactly what I see every time I see the yellow sticker on vehicles. Parlayed with a NRA Member sticker is bonus points and a bumper sticker with “Obama is a Communist” is the Moron Trifecta that allows parking in any handicapped spot nationwide.

141 austin_blue  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:38:57pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

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Huh. Tallahassee. Well, I *was* there, once.

142 nines09  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:40:21pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

I used to get that when I traveled to scrub pine sandy bad water South Carolina. I used to reply, “That’s good. You can tell.”

143 Stanley Sea  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:43:03pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

Sent that to my Dad from PA who’s become a full Southerner in SC. He’ll love it.

144 CuriousLurker  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:43:30pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Being Navy brat, I’ve been told on more than one occasion over the years that I either have no accent or talk like a “city boy.”

I don’t have much of an accent either, unless I start talking to someone from the South, at which point my Texas drawl automatically kicks in so thick you could cut it with a knife. Oh, and when I get angry.

Every once in a while I’ll say something that makes people up here look at me weird though—like my boss when I say, “I’m fixin’ to [insert verb]…”

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:44:34pm

HURR HURR HEARS UR CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!!!!!!

146 Tigger2  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:45:03pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

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Governor ultrasound ( McDonnnell ) must have been running the jail.

147 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:46:32pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

“Or inherit it, did we mention you could inherit?”

148 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:46:49pm

One of my Ex’s (not the crazy psycho bitch, the other one, the good one) was born and raised in South Lousiania. Her family was full blood Cajun, and they spoke cajun among themselves when they didn’t want me to understand. What was funny is that she was a school teacher and had worked very very hard to lose her accent. The only times it would come out was when she would be talking about something back home when she was growing up, when she was really tired, or when she was really angry. (oh, and she was a red-head too)

I could tell how hot the water I was in by the accent.

RBS

149 Targetpractice  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:47:03pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR HEARS UR CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!!!!!!

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Which is why none of them takes an SS or Medicare check…oh wait…

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:49:49pm
151 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:51:09pm

This is a hell of a story.

Other than Sherwin, nobody seemed all that motivated to learn the full extent of Linda Taylor’s crimes. Though the Tribune wrote about Taylor’s purported connections to the Fronczak kidnapping and the Parks homicide, the paper treated her kid-snatching and voodoo spells as colorful details—odd facts to embellish the shocking welfare queen story. In 1975, the Tribune reported the allegation that Linda Taylor was “buying newborn infants to substantiate welfare claims.” Somehow, though, the welfare claims remained the bigger story, not the allegations of black-market baby trafficking.

Also Paged

152 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:51:15pm

We have sensors in our pockets

that’s a rocket

153 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:52:36pm

I’ve been living by the paw print for over 20 years. However…

154 dog philosopher  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:53:58pm

My Accent Map

correctly located me as from nyc, but this is not a very impressive trick since i have the ny area habit of pronouncing these three words with three distinct vowels:

mary
marry
merry

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:54:17pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

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According to that quiz I appear to be from Michigan.
O_o

Ah, I see. Saying “pop” was the key. Though that gets done in western PA and western NY. But it won’t associate me with Pittsburgh because I don’t say “Yinz”. :p

156 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:54:50pm
157 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:55:01pm

158 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:55:23pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

Best accent I ever heard-A Japanese gardener with a thick Japanese accent. That’s not the funny part. When he spoke Spanish to some of his crew, THAT was the funny part.

159 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:56:16pm

On the Accent Map, I’m solid Southwestern United States. No surprise to me, as I was born in Los Angeles, and despite my mother being Swedish, I grew up with the L.A. accent.

160 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:57:03pm

Although it looks like I have some Colorado and SE Arizona in there.

161 Teukka  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 12:57:29pm

re: #50 austin_blue

Most aircraft already have that rig installed. It’s an emergency beacon that starts yelling “Hey! HereI am!” when the plane goes down.

You usually have one of these at the frequency 121.5 MHz (international emergency freq., a.k.a. “Guard”):

upload.wikimedia.org

And an EPIRB on the 406 MHz region which transmits more detailed information. Not to mention the acoustic pingers on CVR’s and FDR’s.

162 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:00:52pm
163 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:01:02pm

re: #158 Political Atheist

Best accent I ever heard-A Japanese gardener with a thick Japanese accent. That’s not the funny part. When he spoke Spanish to some of his crew, THAT was the funny part.

That’s one of the funniest things I can think of

I was on a supported cycle tour several years ago, and the massage therapist who was traveling as part of the support services had an accent I just could not place. He laughed, he had lived in Romania for the first 14 years of his life, then Australia for 20, and he had spent the last twenty years spending most of his time in Argentina.

RBS

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:01:52pm

Just seen on my FB feed:

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:02:37pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR HEARS UR CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!!!!!!

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Tell the Walton’s that they need to earn their money rather than redistribute it upwards. They’ll laugh in your face.

166 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:03:31pm

re: #162 Gus

What happened to Alan Turing was unbelievably disgraceful. For a war hero and mathematical genius, one of the fathers of modern computing, to be treated the way he was… it’s hard to imagine. Unforgivable.

167 makeitstop  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:04:11pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

My Accent Map

They didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. I actually grew up as a child in central upstate New York (another bright red area). Even after being gone all those years, and living in Tennessee for over 15 years, I still get “You’re not from around here, are you???” on occassion.

RBS

Got me pretty accurately. I was born in Philly, spent a lot of time in Jersey, live in New York. My map gave me all three cities - although the city in Jersey was Patterson, which I don’t remember ever having visited.

168 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:04:47pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any gay person. Not once…”

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:04:51pm

re: #162 Gus

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Chemically castrated, not that that’s any better. I think they effectively gave him a really bad case of PMS, hence the suicide. Well, and being given the ‘choice’ of that or jail. Plus having your heart’s desires being called illegal.

170 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:05:27pm

“They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one gay person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone straight people’ — not a word!”

171 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:05:52pm
172 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:07:24pm
173 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:08:41pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

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I blame the Pope.

174 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:08:46pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Chemically castrated, not that that’s any better. I think they effectively gave him a really bad case of PMS, hence the suicide. Well, and being given the ‘choice’ of that or jail. Plus having your heart’s desires being called illegal.

If there was a hell then the system and the people that helped chemically castrate Alan Turing are now burning in it. :D Cheers.

175 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:10:43pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

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WINNABLE WAR!

/ Bryan Fischer

176 Slap  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:11:24pm

re: #158 Political Atheist

Best accent I ever heard-A Japanese gardener with a thick Japanese accent. That’s not the funny part. When he spoke Spanish to some of his crew, THAT was the funny part.

Dunno if this tops that, but….

When I was living in West Berlin in ‘84, there was an Irish pub in the Europa Centre that had perfect Guinness and a fun little house band, led by a very-heavily Irish accented fellow named (kid you not) Paddy.

Imagine German spoken with a HEAVY irish accent. I damned near fell off my barstool the first time I heard him introducing a tune….

177 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:11:54pm

Damn!

I think they traced my computer to it’s current location.

They must work for Santa.

178 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:12:45pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

Chemically castrated, not that that’s any better. I think they effectively gave him a really bad case of PMS, hence the suicide. Well, and being given the ‘choice’ of that or jail. Plus having your heart’s desires being called illegal.

I wouldn’t wish PMS on anyone.

Well, maybe some Congress Critters, for a time. They need to learn some empathy.

179 Ming  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:13:53pm

For me, the bottom line is: it pains me to think of the damage that Snowden has done to the United States.

Also, it pains me that many people who commit crimes (e.g. Mr. Snowden) aren’t brought to justice.

In my opinion, the following are of lesser importance:

1. Some people who commit crimes do so out of sincerity, even idealism. For example, a person may firebomb a Planned Parenthood office, and their motives may be sincere. They may even be (otherwise) nice people. But so what? I’m not a social worker (meaning my interest is in their crime, not in them as people).

2. Sometimes, when a crime is committed, it can stimulate public debate and discussion, which can be a good thing. Sure, now that we’re talking about the NSA, we may as well try to learn and grow. But this is no excuse for the original crime! We’ll never know how policy about the NSA would have evolved, if Snowden hadn’t betrayed our country.

I guess this is pretty obvious to most of us here at LGF, but I’d like to emphasize that we shouldn’t recoil from constructive discussion about the NSA, and we shouldn’t recoil from the possibility that Snowden may have had sincere motives, maybe even admirable motives.

But all that is secondary to the bottom line: Snowden is one of many criminals who has yet to be brought to justice, and who has caused significant damage to the United States. If and when he experiences some “justice”, I will personally drink a toast.

180 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:17:10pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw a gay person being chemically castrated. Not once…”

181 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:17:28pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw a black woman sterilized by the state. Not once…”

182 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:17:51pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw a slave being whipped. Not once…”

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:18:06pm

Fascinating seeing all the tweets to @TorontoHydro and #darkTO in my timeline.
Canadians are, indeed, exceptionally polite and lovely people.

184 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:18:24pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw Jews and gypsies being hauled off to a concentration camp. Not once…”

185 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:19:02pm

“I never, with my eyes, saw Jews being gassed in a concentration camp. Not once…”

186 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:21:01pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fascinating seeing all the tweets to @TorontoHydro and #darkTO in my timeline.
Canadians are, indeed, exceptionally polite and lovely people.

Unless there’s a hockey lockout.

Half /

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:22:10pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

Unless there’s a hockey lockout.

Half /

don’t need no stinkin’ electricity for hockey…at least not for REAL hockey…

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:28:45pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

don’t need no stinkin’ electricity for hockey…at least not for REAL hockey…

Youtube Video

:D

189 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:30:49pm

re: #176 Slap

Dunno if this tops that, but….

When I was living in West Berlin in ‘84, there was an Irish pub in the Europa Centre that had perfect Guinness and a fun little house band, led by a very-heavily Irish accented fellow named (kid you not) Paddy.

Imagine German spoken with a HEAVY irish accent. I damned near fell off my barstool the first time I heard him introducing a tune….

A couple of weeks ago, I was downtown, and stopped off at Burger King in Nova Karolina shopping center.

When I walked up to the counter - and without even opening my mouth to say a single word - the cashier girl took one look at me and immediately started speaking English.

190 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:33:52pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

A couple of weeks ago, I was downtown, and stopped off at Burger King in Nova Karolina shopping center.

When I walked up to the counter - and without even opening my mouth to say a single word - the cashier girl took one look at me and immediately started speaking English.

Several years ago, a German friend of my brother in Germany was staying with my mom in California. She sneezed at the library, and a man said ‘Gesundheit’. She said, ‘Danke’, and went back to my mom’s and asked, ‘How did he know I was German? Do I look German?’

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:36:31pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

found a Christmas tree for you…it’s in China.

192 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:38:23pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

found a Christmas tree for you…it’s in China.

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Thanks!

Something like 99% of the new bikes sold in the US now are from China.

193 Slap  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:41:51pm

And, in the interest of sharing all cultures’ Christmas traditions, I give you the Catalonian variation:

laughingsquid.com

Fascinating. And Weird.

194 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:43:04pm

re: #193 Slap

And, in the interest of sharing all cultures’ Christmas traditions, I give you the Catalonian variation:

laughingsquid.com

Fascinating. And Weird.

Oh.

195 Gus  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:43:37pm

re: #193 Slap

And, in the interest of sharing all cultures’ Christmas traditions, I give you the Catalonian variation:

laughingsquid.com

Fascinating. And Weird.

Is that a Gadsen flag snake? //

196 Slap  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:44:58pm

re: #195 Gus

Is that a Gadsen flag snake? //

Exactly! Who knew that the Teeps fav symbol is a steaming pile of Catalonian Christmas!

197 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:46:44pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

Several years ago, a German friend of my brother in Germany was staying with my mom in California. She sneezed at the library, and a man said ‘Gesundheit’. She said, ‘Danke’, and went back to my mom’s and asked, ‘How did he know I was German? Do I look German?’

Heh. I was left thinking to myself, “Do I look so glaringly American?”

198 jaunte  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:47:31pm

re: #193 Slap

And, in the interest of sharing all cultures’ Christmas traditions, I give you the Catalonian variation:

laughingsquid.com

Fascinating. And Weird.

“Menja bé, caga fort!”

199 wrenchwench  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:49:59pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I was left thinking to myself, “Do I look so glaringly American?”

My style of dress is designed to blend in, but I can’t adjust it to blend in anywhere outside the US. I stuck out like a sore thumb in Italy. Someone told me, ‘Only peasants carry a rucksack.’ I had a green and white striped day pack.

200 Slap  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:51:10pm

re: #198 jaunte

Truly, fine advice!

201 GeneJockey  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 1:55:24pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

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Well, they friggin’ nailed me! Southern PA, closer to Fluffya than Pissburgh, just north of Bawlamer.

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 2:00:07pm

re: #201 GeneJockey

Well, they friggin’ nailed me! Southern PA, closer to Fluffya than Pissburgh, just north of Bawlamer.

I just took it as it’s all over Facebook. My top 3 results were Balitmore, MD, Orlando, FL, and Virginia Beach, Va. Sounds right, I’m from NoVa. Though to be truthful, it’s probably more Baltimore/Orlando than Va Beach. I only know brew thrus since I’ve vacationed in Southern Va/Northern NC before. We don’t have them here but I know the concept.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 2:08:41pm

My speech map:

204 Stanley Sea  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 2:23:36pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Thanks!

Something like 99% of the new bikes sold in the US now are from China.

And they have extras.

205 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 2:32:49pm

re: #124 jaunte

“A good woman is hard to find. Mainly because these boys are waiting until they get to be about 20 years old before they marry ‘em. Look, you wait till they get to be about 20 years old, they only picking that’s going to take place is your pocket. You gotta marry these girls when they’re 15 or 16, they’ll pick your ducks. You need to check with mom and dad about that, of course.” — Speaking at Sportsmen’s Ministry in Georgia in 2009.

This is actually grooming. It’s a sentiment that appeals to men who say they want to be the only influence in a young girl’s life, and will “train her like they want her to be”.

Robertson isn’t the first southern man I’ve heard express that sentiment.

Robertson himself was 18 and his future wife was 14 when they started dating; they married when she was 16 and he was 20.

206 Ming  Tue, Dec 24, 2013 9:19:04pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

In America you don’t redistribute wealth, YOU EARN IT!!!

So I guess those virtuous red states won’t mind if Congress cuts their farm subsidies.

207 spiderx  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:03:40am

“we have sensors in our pockets” is very Beck-ian.

208 Swift2991  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 3:54:30pm

So, he means cellphones. Which broadcast your present position, so they can talk to the closest towers. Otherwise, it doesn’t work, You can try using a cell phone in a Faraday box your whole life. That would seem to be an individualist’s idea of cell communications.

Is it an invasion of privacy to record everything and then only search on a warrant? Not to me. It’s just the only way to do it. If I walk by a jewelry store downtown, there’s an image of me. If I go in, they have real-time video. But they never watch it unless there’s a crime that’s committed. Like a theft.

Isn’t the idea to not get fooled by 18 Saudi hijackers again, and they got lost when they entered legally? The NSA was not allowed to keep track of the hijackers, though if they had been subject to real-time surveillance, wire-tap and so on then, it’s very doubtful the twin towers would have fallen.

209 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:05:11pm

re: #208 Swift2991

Welcome, hatchling.


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