David Bowie Reminisces: Thin White Gelato

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David Bowie reminisces about childhood Christmases eating Mr Frosty and Knickerbocker glories as he introduces the animated short Gelato Go Home.

See the original, and one of the film’s biggest inspirations at http://www.thesnowman.com

Christmas Credits:

Directed by Alasdair Brotherston & Jock Mooney
Producer: Richard Barnett
Voiceover Artist: Christopher Green
Sound Design & Mix: Marty O’Brien @ FONIC
Director of Photography: Andy Hague
Compositing: Alasdair Brotherston
Production Company: Trunk Animation

Original Credits:

Directed by Alasdair + Jock
Produced by Trunk Animation for Channel Four
Producer: Richard Barnett
Production Company: Trunk
3D Animation: Luca Paulli
2D Animation: Francisco Puerto Esteban, Layla Atkinson
Composer: James Orman
Sound Design & Mix: Barnaby Templer @ Fonic

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309 comments
1 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:03:43pm
Spoiler

Clara has been left by the Doctor twice. Each time, it rips my heart out.

The Silence from Series 6 were a schismatic splinter (Think Al-Qaeda). The main group, the Church of the Silence, allied with the Doctor on Trenzalore. The Doctor is leading the Silence there against everyone else.

2 bratwurst  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:08:33pm
3 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:26:38pm

Goodnight, Raggedy Doctor.

4 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:27:35pm

re: #3 The War TARDIS

Goodnight, Raggedy Doctor.

Manly tears were shed.

5 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:30:14pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Manly nothing. I cried.

That wasn’t near as good as the rest of Series 7 & the 50th.

My big gripe was how poorly Clara was treated. Although things also seemed a bit rushed. Moffat was trying to wrap up so many things, it sort fell a bit flat.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:35:59pm

re: #5 The War TARDIS

Manly nothing. I cried.

That wasn’t near as good as the rest of Series 7 & the 50th.

My big gripe was how poorly Clara was treated. Although things also seemed a bit rushed. Moffat was trying to wrap up so many things, it sort fell a bit flat.

Agreed, it all seemed rather contrived, an effort to compact the last 3 years into a single hour. Perhaps he didn’t want any of that leaking into Capaldi’s run, trying to start with a fresh slate. But that just left the whole thing feeling like a pile of mush, particularly with so much build-up to “Doctor who?” and Trenzalore.

7 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:38:15pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I do like how Space Al-Qaeda caused this to occur anyways.

You know, Kovarian’s schism?

8 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:41:44pm

re: #7 The War TARDIS

I do like how Space Al-Qaeda caused this to occur anyways.

You know, Kovarian’s schism?

It had some good concepts, and might have made a good season finale. But at the same time, the whole lead-up to the ending seemed too contrived. Then they get to the ending…and the tears started falling.

9 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:43:41pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Yep.

This would have worked better as a multi-parter.

At least 2. Maybe a three parter like the end of Series 3 (Utopia, The Sound of Drums, and The Last of the Time Lords.)

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:46:37pm

Even a two-parter might have worked, if not for Moffat’s decision halfway through the season that writing Amy and Rory out in the most definitive fashion possible and then barring the way to ensure no way they could be returned to the show probably wasn’t smart if you wanted to revisit the last 3 years. In a lot of ways, the Tenth got a more fitting sendoff than his successor did.

11 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:48:35pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Again, got a shit-sandwich in terms of the terms from Gillan and Darvill.

That wasn’t the issue. I love the new companion.

The problem is the rushing in the episode. I would have liked it over, say, 2 episodes. It’s pace was too manic to get a good foothold.

12 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:53:10pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

Again, got a shit-sandwich in terms of the terms from Gillan and Darvill.

That wasn’t the issue. I love the new companion.

The problem is the rushing in the episode. I would have liked it over, say, 2 episodes. It’s pace was too manic to get a good foothold.

Indeed. And while I knew the Doctor would have a card still up his sleeve, it all smacked too much of deus ex machina for my tastes. Then again, this is a series where the hero has saved the day time and again with a sonic screwdriver.

13 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:55:42pm
14 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:56:11pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

The Time Lords trying to get in makes sense.

They should have brought up the point in the episode that the crack previously sucked things in.

He should have mused about an opposite reaction.

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 7:57:24pm

re: #14 The War TARDIS

The Time Lords trying to get in makes sense.

They should have brought up the point in the episode that the crack previously sucked things in.

He should have mused about an opposite reaction.

So many shoulds, coulds, and woulds equals an episode that had a funny beginning and heart-breaking end, but everything in between was an utter trainwreck.

16 The War TARDIS  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:00:57pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Yeah. First part was good until he sent Clara off. And the Climax to the end was good.

Trainwreck in the middle. Moffat’s first truly bad story.

17 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:09:41pm

It almost seems unfair to lead up to Time with Day, considering that was such a great story that I could rewatch again and again, and this is an episode that I’d youtube the ending from.

18 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:20:20pm

OMG! Whovian right wing propaganda about the War on Xmas from the BBC!
/been skipping comments to avoid spoilers, only half through watching. Great episode.

19 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:21:00pm
20 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:21:43pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

OMG! Whovian right wing propaganda about the War on Xmas from the BBC!
/been skipping comments to avoid spoilers, only half through watching. Great episode.

Don’t laugh, I’ve already heard at least one Christian irate over the episode. Why, I’ve absolutely no idea, but there you have it.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:23:52pm

The War on Christmas made up an entire subplot in Tyler Perry’s newest Madea movie.

22 jaunte  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:24:07pm
23 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:24:38pm

re: #19 Gus

I give good odds that photo was taken somewhere in Louisiana.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:25:22pm

re: #22 jaunte

Reindeer? We don’t need no stinkin’ reindeer!

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:28:14pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Don’t laugh, I’ve already heard at least one Christian irate over the episode. Why, I’ve absolutely no idea, but there you have it.

I’m sure Richard Dawkins is somewhere complaining about the perpetuation of Christian mythology and berating children on Santa’s lap. So it goes.

26 Belafon  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:29:54pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Because they’ve turned Christmas into the name of a town in June, on another planet.

I liked the episode.

27 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:31:03pm

Merry Christmas everyone.

28 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:32:36pm
29 Bubblehead II  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:33:41pm

Lizards, time to call it a night.

A Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

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What? You thought I would I wouldn’t go there?

Fools! :-)

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and last but least

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Night Lizards. Just a bit of light humor thrown in. If you have taken offense, well you are taking you religion to seriously for this country.

Life is what is. Let it go

30 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:35:28pm
31 jaunte  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:35:50pm
32 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:43:23pm

I thought they already picked the next Dr. Who.

33 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:47:18pm
34 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:51:06pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

I’m sure Richard Dawkins is somewhere complaining about the perpetuation of Christian mythology and berating children on Santa’s lap. So it goes.

As usual, the truth is more nuanced than the MBF would prefer.

You comment in this book about your lack of skeptical thinking in your childhood years. Do you believe concepts like Santa Claus are harmful to children?

I genuinely don’t know the answer to that question. I do understand people when they say that you destroy the magic of childhood if you encourage too much skeptical questioning. So I’m not absolutely gung-ho for not letting children have that sort of magic. On the other hand, I think there is a greater magic in reality. You can substitute fairies and goblins, with the stars, the galaxies, and looking down a microscope. Or even just getting children to think about the astonishing fact of our existence, like how many blood vessels are in your own body, for example. I feel that you haven’t lost the magic of childhood if you get rid of Santa Claus. I don’t think you should just sit children down and say: there is no Santa Claus. I would rather say, let’s think about it, and turn it into a game. There is something cheap about magic that works just because it is magic.

35 Kragar  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 8:58:51pm

re: #32 Gus

I thought they already picked the next Dr. Who.

They had, but tonight was his first official full appearance.

My wife and kids were not happy.

36 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:01:31pm

re: #27 Amory Blaine

Merry Christmas?? Is this a flounce??

/

37 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:02:18pm

38 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:02:51pm

Back from family dinner…

I missed the first run of the Doctor, about to watch it through now…

39 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:03:36pm

re: #35 Kragar

They had, but tonight was his first official full appearance.

My wife and kids were not happy.

OK. I won’t ask why. Spoilers and all that I reckon.

40 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:04:25pm

re: #33 Gus

Aww. Look at that dead beat dog in the back, taking off. He’s like “I want a paternity test”

41 Kragar  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:06:16pm

re: #39 Gus

OK. I won’t ask why. Spoilers and all that I reckon.

They’re just used to Matt Smith and thought Peter Capaldi was too old.

42 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:08:30pm

re: #41 Kragar

They’re just used to Matt Smith and thought Peter Capaldi was too old.

How do you think I felt when I’d gotten used to Christopher Eccleston and this young punk takes his place?

43 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:15:44pm
44 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:19:30pm

46 Kragar  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:22:36pm

Ah, sweet sweet Venture Brothers.

Dr. Byron Orpheus: [after examining Dr. Venture’s latest invention] What the hell is this thing made out of?

Dr. Venture: [suspiciously] Nothing.

Dr. Byron Orpheus: Come on…

Dr. Venture: All right, fine, I might have used a few unorthodox parts.

Dr. Byron Orpheus: Just tell me one.

Dr. Venture: [mumbling] An… orphan.

Dr. Byron Orpheus: A what?

Dr. Byron Orpheus: [clearing his throat] An orphan?

Dr. Venture: Did you say… an ORPHAN?

Dr. Venture: [weakly] Yeah, a little orphan boy.

Dr. Byron Orpheus: It’s powered by a forsaken child?

Dr. Venture: [defensive] Might be, kind of - I mean I didn’t use the whole thing!

48 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:25:21pm

re: #19 Gus

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49 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:27:54pm

re: #36 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin

Merry Christmas?? Is this a flounce??

/

Uh oh, what’d I miss?

50 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:27:57pm

Dr Who musings…

So maybe ask that guy that was all up about a town called christmas… Is he pissed about Easter Island too?

51 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:31:31pm

re: #50 Political Atheist

Dr Who musings…

So maybe ask that guy that was all up about a town called christmas… Is he pissed about Easter Island too?

There is a town called Christmas in Florida. It’s east of Orlando.

RBS

52 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:31:50pm

Worked today. Let’s another take off. I was so busy that the next thing I turned around and 8 hrs flew by. Nice.

53 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:36:06pm

Someone was wondering about this earlier. Let’s go to the video tape!

Bunny takes a shower [ORIGINAL VIDEO]

Youtube Video

54 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:37:30pm

”## I DO NOT BATH HIM EVERY DAY OR WEEK!!! I DO IT ONLY WHEN HE’S REALLY DIRTY!! ##”

55 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:40:06pm

I have to wait til August for more Doctor Who? EX-TER-MIN-ATE!

56 Gus  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:42:46pm

Cloody Tube

57 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:43:29pm

The most surprising thing about the end of Dr Who was that it was followed by a new episode of East Enders. I can’t believe that’s still on and that they’d waste that huge Dr Who lead in on such a lame show.

58 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:49:55pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

I have to wait til August for more Doctor Who? EX-TER-MIN-ATE!

HAHA!

59 Varek Raith  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:50:16pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

The most surprising thing about the end of Dr Who was that it was followed by a new episode of East Enders. I can’t believe that’s still on and that they’d waste that huge Dr Who lead in on such a lame show.

That show still exists?
Lol.

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:53:35pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

That show still exists?
Lol.

I knew it was still around but I thought it was an afternoon soap opera thing.

61 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:54:54pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I knew it was still around but I thought it was an afternoon soap opera thing.

Yes, unless your an elitist american with accessibility./

62 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:58:54pm

re: #61 prairiefire

Yes, unless your an elitist american with accessibility./

That reminds me I still haven’t figured out how to spoof a UK IP on windows 8 yet. I’d pay for a UK tv license but they won’t allow it.

63 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:59:36pm

re: #61 prairiefire

Yes, unless your an elitist american with accessibility./

BTW, How was your Christmas? Things going ok?

64 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:08:52pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

After presents and before lunch I hear “So, things have been said…” we are going to have to haul our privileged white asses to a p. s. y. you know what.

65 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:14:26pm

re: #64 prairiefire

psy?

66 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:16:45pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

psychiatrist.

67 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:25:10pm

re: #66 prairiefire

psychiatrist.

Ah, ok. That’s not too bad, there’s hope.

68 Floral Giraffe  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:32:39pm

re: #64 prairiefire

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Hope you all had a VERY MERRY?

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:37:44pm

re: #68 Dancing along the light of day

Twas very merry. I bought myself a complete heating and cooling system for the greenhouse, installation begins next week. I hope yours was merry as well.

70 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:08:29pm

Merry Christmas to all…slightly belated, depending on the timezone.

The cooking and washing up is all done, as is the Eleventh Doctor.

Not well-executed through the middle—a shame really, the premise was interesting—but oh the feels at the end.

71 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:11:29pm

My 10 year old asked for cash, mainly. That boy now has $415 bank.

72 prairiefire  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:15:41pm

re: #68 Dancing along the light of day

Merry Christmas, FloG!

73 freetoken  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:52:06pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

That show still exists?
Lol.

I gather that Eastenders exists to generate bodies who then go on to Strictly Come Dancing.

74 freetoken  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:56:08pm

re: #35 Kragar

They had, but tonight was his first official full appearance.

My wife and kids were not happy.

I preferred the actor they got to play in the special, the supposed incarnation that fought the time war the first time round.

We’ll see, but I think the BBC may have underestimated the need to keep a younger face. Since 2005 the reincarnated series has relied on a leading actor who could appeal to the young but not too young crowd. The new guy may do quite well with the grade school audience, but I don’t know he will ever be the faddish type of leading man needed to draw in a big teenage and 20-something audience.

75 freetoken  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 11:58:41pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

Indeed. And while I knew the Doctor would have a card still up his sleeve, it all smacked too much of deus ex machina for my tastes.

When has there been a Doctor Who story that didn’t rely on deus ex machina?

I think Dr. Who has become the standard lexical entry for understanding the phrase deus ex machina.

76 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:04:40am

re: #75 freetoken

When has there been a Doctor Who story that didn’t rely on deus ex machina?

I think Dr. Who has become the standard lexical entry for understanding the phrase deus ex machina.

Whats the difference between Scooby Doo and Dr. Who?

On Scooby Doo, you find out the alien was Old Man Jenkins all along.

On Dr Who, you find out Old Man Jenkins was an alien all along.

77 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:05:29am

MP3 Audio

78 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:49:37am

re: #70 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah, it had a problems all the way through, including one massive Season cracking plothole.

79 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:50:31am

One thing to remember about Doctor Who is that the main figure is, intentionally, a saviour figure.

It’s one of the most explicitly religious story lines in the history of television, but cast in a secular worldview, if that makes sense.

Thus not only does the Doctor save worlds, he saves them on Christmas day.

80 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 12:53:20am

re: #79 freetoken

Or saves them if they are named Christmas.

This special was trying to be way too many things at once.

81 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 1:33:58am

I have far too many seasonal music links to ever post here, but there are some I still want to get in, if only because they are not the usual stuff one hears in the usual venues.

MP3 Audio

82 RadicalModerate  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 2:20:31am

re: #80 The War TARDIS

Or saves them if they are named Christmas.

This special was trying to be way too many things at once.

Resolution of close to a dozen storylines in an hour’s time and finding out that almost ALL of them were part of a grand plan that was essentially explained in a single scene didn’t sit completely right with me either. Some of this stuff absolutely demanded a full fleshing-out process.

83 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 2:28:14am

re: #82 RadicalModerate

I got the feeling that the BBC wants to reboot the series again and take it in a new direction. Maybe to appeal to younger audiences, like it originally was.

Spoiler

The resolution to the Silence and to the crack deserved their own episodes, as each were major story lines in previous seasons. To suddenly offer up the Silence as being a religious sect that was split away from a larger group is a plot point that went by way too quickly.

I did like the part where at the Christmas dinner that the family had on their TV the Strictly Come Dancing Christmas special - sort of a product placement for their own item.

84 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 2:32:48am

There is a sub-genre of Christmas music that has decidedly suggestive undertones. Here is one of the better know ones:

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85 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 2:37:19am

Here’s the other one that is well known and even more obviously suggestive:

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86 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 3:01:15am

In less than a week, we’ll have to start using 2014.

When I think about 2050 (no doubt I won’t be here), it’s sort of like looking at 2000 when I was still in my 20s, still pretty far off and not worrisome. Yet, my g-grandson will only be 40 yrs old, and his dad 59, the same age I was in 2000.

The last 36 yrs are half of my life. Now, things like cell phones, computers, etc. don’t seem so fantastic, but in 1977, when we still had some black and white TVs around and landline phones were standard in homes, when most offices still used typewriters and 10 key adding machines, it seems technology has taken on a life of its own these days—and it has. I saw many occupations changing over my lifetime and people had to change, too, or they were left by the wayside, sometimes kicking and screaming. I see the same thing happening culturally, and in the Republican Party.

The Republicans are being left behind in modern cultural and social thought, and they don’t even know it.

87 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 3:49:33am

JFC. I’m sick of these people whose lust for guns outweighs their lust for life.

2-month-old girl ‘accidentally’ shot dead by family member on Christmas Eve

freakoutnation.com

The handgun allegedly belonged to a “relative”.

Who allows a gun to be brought into their house and handled in the presence of children? No one, absolutely no one would ever be allowed to bring a weapon into my home. In 72 yrs, I have never needed one for home protection—absolutely never.

88 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:00:26am

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

JFC. I’m sick of these people whose lust for guns outweighs their lust for life.

2-month-old girl ‘accidentally’ shot dead by family member on Christmas Eve

freakoutnation.com

The handgun allegedly belonged to a “relative”.

Who allows a gun to be brought into their house and handled in the presence of children? No one, absolutely no one would ever be allowed to bring a weapon into my home. In 72 yrs, I have never needed one for home protection—absolutely never.

My Chinese students have the false impression — from TV shows and movies, I suppose — that every American has at least one gun, and that we are usually packing heat whenever we go out. This impression is so pervasive in China that some parents won’t let their kids study in the USA, for fear they might get shot. I’ve tried to dissuade them from this notion, using my family as an example. I think the last member to have kept a firearm in the house was my great-great-great-grandfather, who was a farmer in New Jersey. HIs son moved to Manhattan, and all the descendants ever after were gun-free (save for military service).

So, I am perplexed when I hear that some folks have not one, but entire collections of firearms at home.

89 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:07:04am

Go back to bed!

90 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:10:21am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi

My Chinese students have the false impression — from TV shows and movies, I suppose — that every American has at least one gun, and that we are usually packing heat whenever we go out. This impression is so pervasive in China that some parents won’t let their kids study in the USA, for fear they might get shot. I’ve tried to dissuade them from this notion, using my family as an example. I think the last member to have kept a firearm in the house was my great-great-great-grandfather, who was a farmer in New Jersey. HIs son moved to Manhattan, and all the descendants ever after were gun-free (save for military service).

So, I am perplexed when I hear that some folks have not one, but entire collections of firearms at home.

Well, I’m of the mind that these kind of incidents indicate criminal irresponsibility. I wish more prosecutors would start charging these people, but it appears that for now at least the “right” of someone to carry a gun is more important than what happens when someone is “accidentally” killed. I’m a firm believer that these incidents are not accidents at all, but examples of why we should have more regulations.

I wonder, as a result of so many of these “accidental” killings, if it prompts the gun owners to rid themselves of their weapons or check the behavior of those they invite into their homes? I suppose even losing a child doesn’t change the behavior of far too many. As a mother, grandmother, great-gmother, it simply baffles me to no end.

91 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:15:45am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi

My Chinese students have the false impression — from TV shows and movies, I suppose — that every American has at least one gun, and that we are usually packing heat whenever we go out. This impression is so pervasive in China that some parents won’t let their kids study in the USA, for fear they might get shot. I’ve tried to dissuade them from this notion, using my family as an example. I think the last member to have kept a firearm in the house was my great-great-great-grandfather, who was a farmer in New Jersey. HIs son moved to Manhattan, and all the descendants ever after were gun-free (save for military service).

So, I am perplexed when I hear that some folks have not one, but entire collections of firearms at home.

I’m reminded of the taxi driver scenes from Rush Hour 3.

92 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:19:58am
93 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:37:02am

I see the original article I Posted about is now trending on Facebook.

Now more people will believe it’s true.

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:40:26am

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

I see the original article I Posted about is now trending on Facebook.

Now more people will believe it’s true.

Maybe Pope Francis will read it and get ideas. :)

95 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:46:19am

Egypt about to turn into a witch hunt.

96 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:49:00am

So my Jewish Mom posted a picture of my Jewish Dad in his Santa Suit.

Yes, every year he dresses as Santa and does the Santa thing for charity.

He has the tummy and the beard and is the perfect Santa, only he says Oy, Oy, Oy, instead of Ho, Ho, Ho.

If you only knew him, the dryest of dry sense of humor.

Hey, if Jesus was a Jew …

97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:50:03am

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe Pope Francis will read it and get ideas. :)

There is only one religious leader that gets it:

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:55:25am

re: #96 FemNaziBitch

So my Jewish Mom posted a picture of my Jewish Dad in his Santa Suit.

Yes, every year he dresses as Santa and does the Santa thing for charity.

He has the tummy and the beard and is the perfect Santa, only he says Oy, Oy, Oy, instead of Ho, Ho, Ho.

If you only knew him, the dryest of dry sense of humor.

Hey, if Jesus was a Jew …

Zedushka always get mistaken for Santa at least several times during this time of year.

99 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:57:10am

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

Zedushka always get mistaken for Santa at least several times during this time of year.

Just the idea of this guy as Santa is such a riot.

100 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:59:33am

Texas hospital forbids husband of brain-dead, pregnant wife to remove her from life support

When Erick Munoz found his wife, Marlise, unconscious and unresponsive on the kitchen floor in November, she was 14 weeks pregnant. Doctors suspect she had a pulmonary embolism — a blood clot that travels to the lungs — and are unsure how long the fetus went without oxygen and nutrients.

Seriously? You know, maybe if she was at 36 weeks and for some reason they didn’t want to remove the fetus surgically —but 14 weeks?

REALLY?

Besides treating the body as an incubator, it’s just creepy.

The body had been deprived of oxygen for an hour.

REALLY?

Are living wills going to be amended now to include pregnancy clauses?

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:05:20am

re: #99 FemNaziBitch

Just the idea of this guy as Santa is such a riot.

I can only imagine the questions the kids asked about him.

“Why is Santa wearing all black?”
“Why is Santa driving a regular car, where are the reindeer?”

102 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:09:56am

More snow expected.

Death toll at least 5 in Michigan after ice storm

politicalgates.blogspot.com

Carbon monoxide detectors, people. And please don’t run generators in an enclosed space—even if you keep the garage door open.

103 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:11:02am

Mornin’ everyone

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:13:29am

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

More snow expected.

Death toll at least 5 in Michigan after ice storm

politicalgates.blogspot.com

Carbon monoxide detectors, people. And please don’t run generators in an enclosed space—even if you keep the garage door open.

We’re OK in Detroit area, the storm is out in the western part of the state.

105 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:15:36am
106 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:17:17am

Christmas spanikopita:

Served with turkey pasta soup and choice of beverage. Pasta was Christmas shapes. :)

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:22:11am

re: #105 darthstar

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Part II is “My wife might be watching. So I am going to change my shape and then put my dick in it.”

108 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:27:04am

Things are looking good in my part of the world.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:28:49am

Due to Zedushka/Santa’s fluctuating blood sugar levels, this week’s Pie has been cancelled.

110 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:30:00am

Talk about Creepy.

111 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:30:38am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

Due to Zedushka/Santa’s fluctuating blood sugar levels, this week’s Pie has been cancelled.

oh dear.

I can’t think of an appropriate sarcastic comeback.

Lizards, I prevail upon you.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:32:07am

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Talk about Creepy.

MOAR CREEPY.

113 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:33:37am
114 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:38:40am

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR CREEPY.

Which makes me glad that my little family is still pretty much localized here. I will never be left alone like that to fend for myself.

115 Aqua Obama  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:43:24am

Ho ho whoa:

Anti-Santa campaigns heat up in Turkey as Christmas arrives

The Istanbul University branch of a group called Anatolia Youth Association (AGD) released an illustration of a Muslim youth punching Santa Claus in the face and announced that it would make a press statement against Christmas on Dec. 26 in Istanbul.

…

“As in recent years, Santa Claus will not be coming to Şirinevler since he is nothing to do with our traditions and our culture,” muhtar Galip Karayiğit said in the statement. “[Turk legend character] Dede Korkut will come to our houses again, and will teach our children that they did not come into this world for pleasure, that they came to distribute justice.”

Image: dovus-karate-cuneyt-arkin.gif

116 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:47:07am

117 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:49:43am

118 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:50:40am

re: #115 Aqua Obama

Turkey is going off the Deep end.

Something tells me that the AGD and the AKP are linked.

119 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:57:28am

Who knew Bitcoin had a competitor?

120 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:05:32am

A young friend (like 29) of mine woke-up up yesterday to find her Grandmother dead on the floor of her bedroom.

Horrible Christmas.

I feel so bad for her.

This girl has lost both her parents as well.

121 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:07:15am
122 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:09:56am

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Among the books which have been complained about were Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man, Toni Morrison’s The Bluest Eye, Alice Walker’s The Color Purple, Sherman Alexie’s The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian, Isabel Allende’s The House of the Spirits and Rudolfo Anaya’s Bless Me, Ultima.

See a pattern?

123 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:10:44am

re: #122 darthstar

See a pattern?

u-huh!

124 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:12:18am

re: #123 FemNaziBitch

u-huh!

Mono vs Multi Culture.

125 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:19:23am
126 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:19:54am

xenophobia

is the irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange

127 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:21:03am
128 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:23:27am
“Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me. But they all seem to. It doesn’t matter what country they’re in or what religion they claim. They all want to control women. They want to control how we dress. They want to control how we act. They even want to control the decisions we make about our own health and our own bodies.” Hillary Clinton

unresearched quote

129 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:27:18am

I’m at my desk wearing a pink hoodie with the hood up.

Should I be worried?

130 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:28:02am
131 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:28:14am

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

I’m at my desk wearing a pink hoodie with the hood up.

Should I be worried?

Does the hoodie have bunny ears?

Beware of wabbit hunters.

132 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:29:07am

Report: Nearly all drug defendants “forced” to plead guilty
97 percent of drug defendants forgo their right to trial and plead out. HRW highlights undue prosecutorial power

133 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:29:25am

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Does the hoodie have bunny ears?

Beware of wabbit hunters.

no bunny years. A few coffee stains, tho.

134 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:32:58am
135 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:35:12am

re: #134 darthstar

Anyone can sue for pretty much anything. Winning their case is a far different story. It’s quite possible they’d have their case thrown out for lack of standing, but they dont’ care. It’s about getting attention, and they’ve succeeded as far as that goes.

137 darthstar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:37:42am

re: #135 lawhawk

The article’s pretty funny…and the guy’s a freak. Stalked a 17yr old girl.

138 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:38:49am


Yeah!

that will teach him.

139 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:40:01am

Hope everyone got to enjoy Christmas doing their Christmas-y things. We visited friends and had a wonderful dinner, and that was after spending Christmas eve doing the traditional Jewish thing (Chinese food dinner and a movie - American Hustle).

140 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:40:24am

re: #115 Aqua Obama

Having a God-problem is not limited to the USA.

141 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:43:02am

re: #137 darthstar

Yeah, such a law-abiding Christian who can’t help but get his freak on, and stalks other people, because that’s what good Christians do.

Chris Sevier, you have made us all dumber for trying to figure out what you’re saying/doing:
Youtube Video

142 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:43:05am

While this is a huge inconvenience and could mean repairs down the road (burst pipes, etc), a lot of people have the right attitude—instead of griping, they took the holiday w/them.

May be Friday before power back in Maine, Mich.

bigstory.ap.org

Unfortunately, because so many trees collapse onto power lines, Duke Energy makes it a point to “clear cut” around power lines and they will do it with or without your permission if tree branches come over from your property onto their right of way. I’ve seen old growth trees that look so awful they probably should just be taken down.

143 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:43:27am

re: #139 lawhawk

Hope everyone got to enjoy Christmas doing their Christmas-y things. We visited friends and had a wonderful dinner, and that was after spending Christmas eve doing the traditional Jewish thing (Chinese food dinner and a movie - American Hustle).

Yes. I spent part of Christmas morning trying to remember the password for my wireless network at home to connect the ipad I bought for my wife. Finally called the 24 hour service line, and someone was there to help! She had been sitting there an hour on Christmas day waiting for some schmuck like me to call; I hope she was earning time and a half or something.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:45:06am

re: #139 lawhawk

Hope everyone got to enjoy Christmas doing their Christmas-y things. We visited friends and had a wonderful dinner, and that was after spending Christmas eve doing the traditional Jewish thing (Chinese food dinner and a movie - American Hustle).

We had Teh Traditional Chinese Food dinner on Christmas Eve, and last night watched “The Dark Knight Rises”

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:46:22am

I’m going back to bed.
bbl

146 Aqua Obama  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:46:40am

re: #118 The War TARDIS

They’ll be fine.

147 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:47:49am

There is no kosher Chinese place where I live, so I made:

Sesame sweet & sour chicken
Stir-fried pepper & water chestnuts
Jasmine Rice
Crunchy noodles
Egg rolls

But New Year’s Eve I will be in LA and they have kosher restaurants! YAY!

148 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:53:13am

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

We went to Veggie Heaven in Teaneck. Kosher Chinese vegetarian. They’ve got the texture to the “meat” just right, so when you have chicken, it tastes and has a mouth-feel of chicken. Same for the beef and duck.

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:54:56am

Here is the “Traditional Chinese Dinner” that we enjoyed on Christmas eve.

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:56:37am

re: #148 lawhawk

We went to Veggie Heaven in Teaneck. Kosher Chinese vegetarian. They’ve got the texture to the “meat” just right, so when you have chicken, it tastes and has a mouth-feel of chicken. Same for the beef and duck.

I’m almost afraid to ask…do they also do vegetarian “shrimp” and “pork”?

151 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:00:37am

re: #150 Pie-onist Overlord

They do, along with faux squid, and other seafood (they have a sushi menu too).

152 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:02:38am

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

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It’s time to decriminalize marijuana completely.

I admit, it is hard for me to feel sorry for someone who consistently flouts the law when they’re trafficking or peddling hard drugs, committing felonies. And I’d think they got away with a lot of it in between arrests (we don’t know, for instance, how many times these examples were arrested, and how many cases were not prosecuted for whatever reason because Will doesn’t provide the info). If they’re too stupid, or arrogant, to accept a much lesser sentence for a felony offense, I have no sympathy at all for these miscreants. I’m not saying they should get life sentences, of course not, but over-prosecuting and these kinds of “plea deals”, embroidered w/threats, should be stopped.

Enough meth (to fill a couple of hands) can do irreparable harm to individuals and families, BTW.

Besides, the Republicans initiated the “War on Drugs” and also mandatory minimums. A couple of other things Will doesn’t mention.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:07:24am

I’ve mentioned before how stupid HR managers are on the average. They are nothing however compared to the insect mentalities who work for them. I recently sent a fax to the HR department of a DFW metroplex business. I wasn’t sure it had gone through since they didn’t email me a confirmation. I called to confirm that it had gotten there. All I could get from the receptionist was that they didn’t take applications over the phone, which was not the subject of my call. It seems that DFW businesses provide this as a stock response to all HR calls, no matter what the subject might be, and they’re usually pretty rude about it.
“Hi, I’m across the street and I noticed that your building is on fire. I called the Fire Department but they’re going to take some time to get here.”
“We DON’T take applications over the phone and certainly not for the Fire Department.”
“That’s not why I called…”
“This is the HR department. Please call back and try to get the right office next time.”
“But your other offices aren’t in the same building.”
“We can provide credit and employment references, even though you don’t seem like a responsible person, but we cannot take an application over the phone.”
“Okay, who the fuck hired a moron like you to work there?”

154 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:17:45am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

I once called a Target store to complain about their insolent, rude employees. They sent me to HR. Sure enough all I could get from 2 different people was that they didn’t take applications over the phone. I wrote one of my famous letters to the corporate headquarters. A metric fuck ton of shit landed on the yokel store. They probably had no idea where it had come from. I like Target. It is not their fault their local HR people were morons, it seems to be some kind of legal requirement or something. Target, like anyone else, must use what tools they have.

155 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:19:43am

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve mentioned before how stupid HR managers are on the average. They are nothing however compared to the insect mentalities who work for them. I recently sent a fax to the HR department of a DFW metroplex business. I wasn’t sure it had gone through since they didn’t email me a confirmation. I called to confirm that it had gotten there. All I could get from the receptionist was that they didn’t take applications over the phone, which was not the subject of my call. It seems that DFW businesses provide this as a stock response to all HR calls, no matter what the subject might be, and they’re usually pretty rude about it.
“Hi, I’m across the street and I noticed that your building is on fire. I called the Fire Department but they’re going to take some time to get here.”
“We DON’T take applications over the phone and certainly not for the Fire Department.”
“That’s not why I called…”
“This is the HR department. Please call back and try to get the right office next time.”
“But your other offices aren’t in the same building.”
“We can provide credit and employment references, even though you don’t seem like a responsible person, but we cannot take an application over the phone.”
“Okay, who the fuck hired a moron like you to work there?”

They’ve been hiring people like that since almost forever. I remember back in the 1990s, in my mid-50s, when I was looking for work and had plenty of education and experience for any kind of clerical work a bank could offer, I was told by a young 20-something during a conversation that weirdly shifted somehow to life and work experiences that I needed to “sacrifice”.

Something she probably never had to do in her entire short life.

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:24:26am

Unless by “our” you only mean millionaires who have their own cable network reality shows.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:25:12am

I mean really. REALLY. *FACEPALM*
Oh wait, I thought this was a MikeAndy Tweet.

158 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:26:19am

re: #156 Pie-onist Overlord

Unless by “our” you only mean millionaires who have their own cable network reality shows.

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I’m going to immediately contact A&E and demand that they run my new reality show, Trashing Lubbock with Jimmy. It might be a hit.

159 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:27:36am

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

I’m going to immediately contact A&E and demand that they run my new reality show, Trashing Lubbock with Jimmy. It might be a hit.

If they don’t immediately produce my reality & cooking show IT’S PIE DAY! I am going to complain help help my Free Speech rights are being oppressed and also too: ANTI-SEMITISM!!!!!!

160 piratedan  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:27:40am

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

While you can never go wrong underestimating the level of stupid when it comes to interaction with the public you guys have to know that the vast majority of this crap is initiated by management as policy. The drones don’t deviate from the script because to do so makes life very nasty and could be a firing offense in many cases, one because it might bring about some noise within the management ranks and they’d just assume not hear about it and for the most point, you’ll simply go away and stew. This allows stores to ignore the day to day outrage and go back to selling you crap because 9 times out of 10, you’ll be back next week to shop again. Does this excuse the behavior that set you off to begin with? No. yet the truth is, very few companies give a crap about customer service these days and the reason why is that most folks would rather save .25 on the price of a product on everything in the store rather than deal with a company that trains and employs people that know their inventory and are customer based.

161 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:28:08am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

I mean really. REALLY. *FACEPALM*

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Obama didn’t jet over to the Indian Ocean to pose while he personally dumped Osama bin Laden overboard, but he could have.

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:29:09am

I will say one thing for Target employees: they are smart enough to not be working at Walmart.

163 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:30:41am
164 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:38:13am

re: #160 piratedan

While you can never go wrong underestimating the level of stupid when it comes to interaction with the public you guys have to know that the vast majority of this crap is initiated by management as policy. The drones don’t deviate from the script because to do so makes life very nasty and could be a firing offense in many cases, one because it might bring about some noise within the management ranks and they’d just assume not hear about it and for the most point, you’ll simply go away and stew. This allows stores to ignore the day to day outrage and go back to selling you crap because 9 times out of 10, you’ll be back next week to shop again. Does this excuse the behavior that set you off to begin with? No. yet the truth is, very few companies give a crap about customer service these days and the reason why is that most folks would rather save .25 on the price of a product on everything in the store rather than deal with a company that trains and employs people that know their inventory and are customer based.

I’m convinced that if those types weren’t running companies, they’d be running the drug trade.

Not much difference IMHO.

165 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:39:07am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

When were out in the Sierra Nevada mountains visiting Death Valley and Kings Canyon/Sequoia National Parks a few years back, we made a point to stop in Manzanar. Definitely makes you think about the kinds of injustices and gross violations of civil rights that the Japanese community suffered.

166 The War TARDIS  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:40:47am

I’m hoping Moffat remembers what he wrote during the Day of the Doctor, because the problem at the end of the episode should be simple to solve.

Spoiler

Yes, Clara can fly the TARDIS.

Exhibit A.

167 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:02:28am

The disease is spreading.

Australians on Boxing Day (their traditional bargain hunt day).

Youtube Video

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:03:44am
169 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:04:27am

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel

I once called a Target store to complain about their insolent, rude employees. They sent me to HR. Sure enough all I could get from 2 different people was that they didn’t take applications over the phone. I wrote one of my famous letters to the corporate headquarters. A metric fuck ton of shit landed on the yokel store. They probably had no idea where it had come from. I like Target. It is not their fault their local HR people were morons, it seems to be some kind of legal requirement or something. Target, like anyone else, must use what tools they have.

The thing is that HR mostly handles bureaucratic tasks and some HR simply don’t care about anything beyond those tasks. They don’t get any bonuses or rewards based on how well the store does and no HR person is ever going to be named Employee of the Month. So many of them just don’t care about what goes on outside of their cubicle. What they forget is that if the store’s employees anger many customers, the store will have no business and when it closes the HR person won’t have a job anymore.

BTW, for my own amusement can you elaborate on Target’s response to your letter? Especially the ‘metric fuck ton of shit’ that landed on the poor-grade store.

170 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:05:21am

re: #142 Justanotherhuman

While this is a huge inconvenience and could mean repairs down the road (burst pipes, etc), a lot of people have the right attitude—instead of griping, they took the holiday w/them.

May be Friday before power back in Maine, Mich.

bigstory.ap.org

Unfortunately, because so many trees collapse onto power lines, Duke Energy makes it a point to “clear cut” around power lines and they will do it with or without your permission if tree branches come over from your property onto their right of way. I’ve seen old growth trees that look so awful they probably should just be taken down.

About two years ago I walked out back to the alley to put out a bag of trash. I noticed a broken power line dangling down. I went in and called AEP and told them about it. Our power was still on and everything seemed to be working. The wire wasn’t arcing or anything.

About 15 minutes later an AEP service truck pulls up, Guy looks up at the wire and says it shouldn’t be a big deal. However, he looked down the alley and saw many tree branches around the wires and told me, that is a big problem and their policy is whenever they are out on a service call and see branches in amongst the wires, they have to take them down.

Off went the power for the whole block (one side of the street) and out came the tree service trucks. Power was out for like 5 hours as they cleaned everything away from the lines.

I felt real bad knowing that my call cut everyone’s power for a whole evening. They finished up about 10:30 that night and on came the power. Luckily it was late spring, not too hot or cold…but still. Oh well. Doing my duty I guess.

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:05:46am
172 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:07:52am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

Here is the “Traditional Chinese Dinner” that we enjoyed on Christmas eve.
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Yum! Makes me want to make the same, or a slight variation…General Tso. I already have some chicken breast at the ready.

173 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:07:59am

re: #167 Justanotherhuman

The disease is spreading.

Australians on Boxing Day (their traditional bargain hunt day).

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That’s not problematic, though: Nobody pushed other people, no one got trampled, and no blows were exchanged. Compared to what we saw on Black Friday, those Aussies were the souls of calm and rationality.

174 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:08:39am

Morning, all.

Any further news from the War on Boxing Day?

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:12:02am

re: #174 BongCrodny

Morning, all.

Any further news from the War on Boxing Day?

The left tried making a landing Down Under, but they were driven back by a crowd of shoppers.

176 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:12:51am

re: #171 Pie-onist Overlord

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The number of people who hate hearing “Merry Christmas” appears to be significantly lower than the number of people who hate hearing “Happy Holidays.”

177 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:14:48am

re: #170 ObserverArt

About two years ago I walked out back to the alley to put out a bag of trash. I noticed a broken power line dangling down. I went in and called AEP and told them about it. Our power was still on and everything seemed to be working. The wire wasn’t arcing or anything.

About 15 minutes later an AEP service truck pulls up, Guy looks up at the wire and says it shouldn’t be a big deal. However, he looked down the alley and saw many tree branches around the wires and told me, that is a big problem and their policy is whenever they are out on a service call and see branches in amongst the wires, they have to take them down.

Off went the power for the whole block (one side of the street) and out came the tree service trucks. Power was out for like 5 hours as they cleaned everything away from the lines.

I felt real bad knowing that my call cut everyone’s power for a whole evening. They finished up about 10:30 that night and on came the power. Luckily it was late spring, not too hot or cold…but still. Oh well. Doing my duty I guess.

Not your fault; those service guys are trained to look for any “obstructions” to wires, and they are usually the ones who report them, not residents, for the most part.

Besides, not having trees around means you’re going to pay a higher electric bill. There’s a reason houses used to be built w/porches and have trees surrounding them—kept the house cooler. Now, most developers just clear cut old growth and plant a couple of Bradford Pears or some other small tree that are so fragile you can lose them in a stiff wind. Builders don’t even put attic fans into tract houses anymore.

178 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:15:40am

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

That’s not problematic, though: Nobody pushed other people, no one got trampled, and no blows were exchanged. Compared to what we saw on Black Friday, those Aussies were the souls of calm and rationality.

I thought I saw someone fall; one guy went back. Did I see something that wasn’t there?

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:17:52am

One thing I still can’t understand, in this day & age on online shopping:

WHY DO PEOPLE CAMP OUT FOR DAYS, whether it is for Black Friday or the latest iPhone?

I know that corporations like to do this to stir up frenzy for their products but why do so many people fall for it? They can’t all be paid shills.

180 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:21:03am

re: #178 Justanotherhuman

I thought I saw someone fall; one guy went back. Did I see something that wasn’t there?

Perhaps people behind him caught him and helped him back up. The crowds were still comparably well behaved.

181 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:24:10am

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps people behind him caught him and helped him back up. The crowds were still comparably well behaved.

It was the Chinese shoppers more than likely who were well-behaved—they’re used to lines.

Retail: Boxing Day shopping splurge estimated at $1.9 billion

Read more: smh.com.au

182 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:26:18am

Not sure if I’d want to be this guinea pig.

Chicago Surgeon to Use Google Glass in Operating Room
Dr. Anil Shah will work on a patient who smashed her nose in October while visiting an amusement park

Source: nbcchicago.com

183 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:34:00am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

Not sure if I’d want to be this guinea pig.

Chicago Surgeon to Use Google Glass in Operating Room
Dr. Anil Shah will work on a patient who smashed her nose in October while visiting an amusement park

Source: nbcchicago.com

Breitbart.com headline:

OBAMACARE AT WORK IN CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLD OF CHICAGO!!1 HOW LONG TILL GOOGLE GLASS IS REQUIRED TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH MANDATES FROM OBAMACARE DEATH PANELS??/

184 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:34:26am

re: #174 BongCrodny

Morning, all.

Any further news from the War on Boxing Day?

Boxing Day is hitting back.

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:35:17am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

Not sure if I’d want to be this guinea pig.

Chicago Surgeon to Use Google Glass in Operating Room
Dr. Anil Shah will work on a patient who smashed her nose in October while visiting an amusement park

Source: nbcchicago.com

Glenn Greenwald headline:

GOOGLE GLASS IN THE OPERATING ROOM MEANS THE END OF MEDICAL PRIVACY!!1 HOW LONG BEFORE DOCTORS ARE REQUIRED TO SEND GOOGLE GLASS FOOTAGE OF YOUR SURGERY TO THE NSA??/

186 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:36:06am

Great moments in PR:

McDonalds kills off it’s employee website after 3d party vendor articles on the site included cautioning employees against eating McD’s main food options, etc.

187 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:36:38am
Glenn Greenwald headline:

GOOGLE GLASS IN THE OPERATING ROOM MEANS THE END OF MEDICAL PRIVACY!!1 HOW LONG BEFORE DOCTORS ARE REQUIRED TO SEND GOOGLE GLASS FOOTAGE OF YOUR SURGERY TO THE NSA??/

I was thinking more along the line the Google Glass being a distraction, not privacy violation. I would want my surgeon to be concentrating exclusively on the job at hand.

188 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:37:48am

re: #184 makeitstop

Boxing Day is hitting back.

Boxing Day is a pretty slick Counter-Puncher who really hits above his weight class. Does have a problem some times with head-hunting, but his corner can usually keep him on the game plan.

RBS

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:38:25am

re: #186 lawhawk

Great moments in PR:

McDonalds kills off it’s employee website after 3d party vendor articles on the site included cautioning employees against eating McD’s main food options, etc.

Teh MOAST HILARIOUS ADVICE was when they told minimum-wage workers to tip the pool boy, caddy, and aupair.

190 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:39:39am

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

I was thinking more along the line the Google Glass being a distraction, not privacy violation. I would want my surgeon to be concentrating exclusively on the job at hand.

Oh I agree, but like some others here I occasionally enjoy writing mock headlines in the overwrought styles of wingnuts and dudebros.

191 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:40:17am

Mah handz iz coldz.

192 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:44:06am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

Not sure if I’d want to be this guinea pig.

Chicago Surgeon to Use Google Glass in Operating Room
Dr. Anil Shah will work on a patient who smashed her nose in October while visiting an amusement park

Source: nbcchicago.com

I can see the advantages of being able to see the x-rays without having to look up, maybe even the filming capabilities so that the patient can see what they are getting. I haven’t used any kind of HUD so I’m not too sure about it, but I would imagine that the surgeon is 100% comfortable with it.

One of my co-workers got the first shipment of GGs when they came out, had it sold before it even arrived.

RBS

193 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:45:25am

I used to think Boxing Day involved TVs and two guys in a ring.

194 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:45:28am

re: #189 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh MOAST HILARIOUS ADVICE was when they told minimum-wage workers to tip the pool boy, caddy, and aupair.

You get the feeling they were being pranked by their PR contractor.

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:47:13am

Ohio teacher tells African-American student: ‘We do not need another black president’

According to The Cincinnati Enquirer, Gil Voigt was suspended without pay from Fairfield Freshman School on Monday, the first step necessary for termination. The teacher has 10 days to ask to for a hearing before the school board or a referee.

Superintendent Paul Otten told the Journal-News that the incident occurred while Voigt was speaking to an African-American student who had presidential aspirations.

“We do not need another black president,” Voigt reportedly said.

196 piratedan  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:48:57am

re: #192 RealityBasedSteve

this surgery has been sponsored by GoPro cameras, so they can film the surgery from the perspective of the doc as a training tool for others to follow. Maybe the patient was without insurance and this was a way to pay for it? Sometimes privacy is a 1st world concern in the greater scheme of things.

197 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:49:37am

re: #186 lawhawk

Great moments in PR:

McDonalds kills off it’s employee website after 3d party vendor articles on the site included cautioning employees against eating McD’s main food options, etc.

And how much to tip the pool guy and the housekeeper.

Puleeze.

198 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:50:08am

re: #193 Gus

I used to think Boxing Day involved TVs and two guys in a ring.

As far as I can remember, in Britain, it’s hundreds of years old and was something that occurred between employers and servants, who had to work on xmas, and were given boxes of “gifts”, mainly hand-me-downs and leftover food to take their families, and given the next day off. Today, it’s a bank holiday.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:52:42am

UPDATE: Justa Farmer says it is an old hoax.
news4jax.com

200 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:54:52am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

As far as I can remember, in Britain, it’s hundreds of years old and was something that occurred between employers and servants, who had to work on xmas, and were given boxes of “gifts”, mainly hand-me-downs and leftover food to take their families, and given the next day off. Today, it’s a bank holiday.

My parents never brought it up since we’re from Argentina. :D That’s mah excuse. I figured since they loved hockey a “boxing day” would make sense. Weee!

201 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:54:55am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

Someone ought to call Shell’s customer service number. I very much doubt Shell corporate would be amused to hear about that.

202 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:55:42am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody get that address and owner’s name to the Secret Service. Wow.

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:56:02am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

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Apparently, this was a hoax from a year ago.

204 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:56:47am

re: #196 piratedan

this surgery has been sponsored by GoPro cameras, so they can film the surgery from the perspective of the doc as a training tool for others to follow. Maybe the patient was without insurance and this was a way to pay for it? Sometimes privacy is a 1st world concern in the greater scheme of things.

Yep. And they have been filming surgery procedures since the invention of film. They are used as training and examples of procedures (both my open heart surgeries were filmed). These fucking people have gone over the edge. There have been phone taps since there have been fucking phones, before that it was telegraph taps. Before there was NSA surveillance there were cops and agents with telephoto lenses watching a suspects every move. There were plants and moles digging up intel from inside orgs. It is really not a new concept, just a different way of accomplishing the same thing. Like now we can get to town in a car rather than on a horse, same outcome from different mode.

205 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:57:10am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

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WTF is that shit? I hope it was reported.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:00:47am

This happened about three hours ago.

207 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:01:18am

Might be proper to re-tweet the original tweeter and let him/her know.

208 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:01:51am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This happened about three hours ago.

Freaking Turnpike.

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:01:52am

re: #207 BongCrodny

Might be proper to re-tweet the original tweeter and let him/her know.

210 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:02:54am

re: #204 Eventual Carrion

Snowden’s right that people growing up today will have less privacy than their parents.

What he left out is that the parents have decided to make their kids’ lives an open book - posting every photo and detail (not matter how private or intimate or embarassing) on Twitter, Facebook, and other social media, and with the way that people simply don’t understand their own privacy settings, have allowed anyone and everyone to know what their kids’ business is all about.

But government has been trying to spy on people since well forever.

The Bible has its own spy stories. You’ve got Lot going into Sodom. You’ve got Joshua and spies going into Israel to see what the locals are up to, etc.

And there’s a long historical record of spies trying to get details about anything and everything (corporate and national espionage).

We’re supposed to tremble that the US is doing this?

Oh wait, it’s Snowden, so yes. Yes, we’re supposed to tremble at the US spying, but doing so from the comfort of Russia, which is far more invasive and insidious in their spycraft, hostility to civil and human rights, including going after journalists and rival politicians (both inside and outside government), and jailing critics of the government, along with hostility to free speech - free speech including political speech to criticize the government (see Pussy Riot).

211 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:03:16am

That Ciabatta bread I made last night makes TEH MOAST DELICIOUSEST SANDWICHES!!!!

212 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:03:30am

I remember running into the thickest fog ever on the PA Turnpike. I had to stop. I was still a novice at the driving thing but I wasn’t stopped for long. Otherwise, it could have ended in a loud KABOOM after being re-ended. Thickest damn fog.

213 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:06:35am

re: #212 Gus

I had a gnarly experience in the Finger Lakes near Cooperstown a few years back. It was in the fall, pitch-black and extremely dense fog, creeping along at 10 mph, with no other cars out. High-beams were useless. Had to worry just as much about going off the road as something hitting me, but we had to keep going precisely because of the possibility of being rear-ended by someone else.

214 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:06:49am
215 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:07:59am

re: #212 Gus

I remember running into the thickest fog ever on the PA Turnpike. I had to stop. I was still a novice at the driving thing but I wasn’t stopped for long. Otherwise, it could have ended in a loud KABOOM after being re-ended. Thickest damn fog.

2 years ago I was driving on the I-80 in central PA. It started to rain and it was getting dark, so I pulled over and we checked into a motel.

The next morning we found out there were two 20-car pileups in both directions.

216 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:08:32am

re: #213 lawhawk

I had a gnarly experience in the Finger Lakes near Cooperstown a few years back. It was in the fall, pitch-black and extremely dense fog, creeping along at 10 mph, with no other cars out. High-beams were useless. Had to worry just as much about going off the road as something hitting me, but we had to keep going precisely because of the possibility of being rear-ended by someone else.

Yep. High beams make it worse actually. More light gets reflected from the fog. Fog lamps help. Ground radar would be ideal. :D

217 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:08:56am

Merry ex-Xmas, Lizards! It was a quiet Christmas in the Jockey home this year. Just the four of us, not many presents, but a nice big dinner, prepared by the older boy and me.

Christmas Eve, my sister sent out an email to the family, that Dad, who’s 95, was feeling down. This year’s been tough, losing a number of old friends, and this fall, his younger brother. And his memory is going - he can’t remember what happened a few minutes ago, and I think he feels like his past is disappearing, starting with the present and working back. She asked if we could send him a message, maybe a Christmas memory, help him out of his funk.

I had written a 3-page reminiscence of Christmases growing up, so I forwarded that to him. They printed it out for him, and read it, and it made him happy. A little while later, he read it again, and it made him happy again. I talked to him last night, and he sounded good, in good spirits, and “present”, if you know what I mean.

It made my Christmas better knowing that I may have helped Dad remember the happy times when all 6 of us kids were young and all.

Old age is like a bad joke that the universe plays on us, before the lights go out, slowly taking away who we thought we were. I hope I’m giving my kids memories they will want to share with me when I need it.

218 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:09:44am

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

2 years ago I was driving on the I-80 in central PA. It started to rain and it was getting dark, so I pulled over and we checked into a motel.

The next morning we found out there were two 20-car pileups in both directions.

That’s the best move.

219 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:10:15am

Woo. It’s flurrying here in Lower Manhattan.

220 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:10:27am

re: #214 Gus

George Zimmerman @TherealGeorgeZ

Irony re Phil Robertson, he couldn’t care less what twitter says about him he follows one man Jesus Christ. We should all emulate Him.

Priceless endorsement. Ducks of a feather, fucks of a deather, something…something.

221 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:11:18am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This happened about three hours ago.

Pennsylvania Turnpike, how I love you!
When I pay my toll fare, don’t you love me too?

Well I’m up in Somerset,
And the snowplow ain’t come yet,
Pennsylvania Turnpike, I’m stuck on you!

222 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:12:22am

re: #214 Gus

Irony re Phil Robertson, he couldn’t care less what twitter says about him he follows one man Jesus Christ. We should all emulate Him.

Anybody checked recently to see how much that painting Jesus made is going for on E-Bay?

223 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:13:40am

re: #222 BongCrodny

Anybody checked recently to see how much that painting Jesus made is going for on E-Bay?

Believe it or not, I heard it sold for around $100K.

224 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:14:07am

re: #223 makeitstop

Believe it or not, I heard it sold for around $100K.

I hope He paid off His lawyers.

225 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:16:05am

re: #224 BongCrodny

I hope He paid off his lawyers.

My guess is moar gunz.

226 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:16:13am

re: #202 Political Atheist

I replied regarding your Page.

227 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:17:47am
228 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:17:58am

Pastor George Zimmerman

229 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:18:20am

re: #224 BongCrodny

I hope He paid off his lawyers.

That’s what it mostly went for. more accurately paying for the experts and technical help need to get Zimmerman acquitted. Having a ballistics analysis done isn’t cheap.

230 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:19:01am

Jesus with a boom stick.

231 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:19:21am

HURR HURR

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:20:33am
233 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:22:13am
234 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:22:48am

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Three decades does sound about the right sentence for Snowden’s crimes.

235 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:23:10am
236 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:23:43am

I can see Glenn got a lump of coal in his stocking.

237 piratedan  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #233 Pie-onist Overlord

i’m pretty sure it’s just his ego, perhaps with a healthy helping of Id.

238 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:24:05am
239 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:24:29am
240 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:25:13am

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

Channel 4 anchor responds to bitter people upset that Snowden was chosen to deliver the Christmas address

WTF is His Royal Butthurt-ness going on about now?

As time goes by, GG seems to regard Snowden more as a prop or a rhetorical device than a person. I guess Eddie has served his purpose, though - which is of course, the advancement of GG’s career.

/Spit

241 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:26:39am

From all Teh Butthurt coming out of Glenn Greenwald’s Twitter pie hole it certainly seems like he was bitchslapped by Santa.

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:28:42am

What will the roads smell like in the spring when it gets warm again? I don’t even want to…

243 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:29:47am

Snowden = MacGuffin.

The specific nature of a MacGuffin is typically unimportant to the overall plot. The most common type of MacGuffin is an object, place or person. However, a MacGuffin can sometimes take a more abstract form, such as money, victory, glory, survival, power, love, or even something that is entirely unexplained, as long as it strongly motivates key characters within the structure of the plot.

Sounds about right.

244 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:30:44am

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s parsing how many documents he got versus what Snowden actually took.

Government may be claiming 1.7 million discrete documents were taken, and Greenwald may be claiming to have received only a fraction of that number, but the numbers aren’t at odds.

It only shows just how much of a tool Greenwald is, and how much he keeps trying to insulate himself from Snowden all while using Snowden to further his own agenda.

Moreover, Snowden’s actions are espionage. No more. No less. He stole classified information, means, data, and gave them to persons not authorized to have them. It’s criminal. And each document taken could amount to an individual charge.

Life in prison for espionage wouldn’t be out of order, but 30 years in max security with limited Internet access is certainly a reasonable prison sentence.

But Greenwald will pound on the table for as long as he can until the law eventually catches up with Snowden.

245 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:31:26am
246 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:33:37am

WTFITS

247 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:34:43am

re: #246 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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“Gee, Matt, isn’t it about time for you to take a vacation?”

248 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:35:07am

re: #246 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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It’s the idea that while the president is vacationing he is at least not active devising new laws and executive orders.

249 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:36:07am

re: #210 lawhawk

I saw an opinion piece yesterday that reminded me of the last time a long hard look was taken at the FBI and NSA. The Church committee. The argument for a similar public review is clearly called for. Back then the committee issued a warning about the NSA that reads prescient today.

en.wikipedia.org

In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide.

If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.[9][10][11]

LA Times opinion

250 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:39:06am

re: #241 Pie-onist Overlord

From all Teh Butthurt coming out of Glenn Greenwald’s Twitter pie hole it certainly seems like he was bitchslapped by Santa.

Santa left him a bag of reindeer turds.

251 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:39:23am
252 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:41:09am

What a dick

Indictment: Terrorist Gaza sniper left Strip for eye treatment

Muhammad Abu Amshah from Beit Henoun was given humanitarian permit to leave Gaza for eye treatment in West Bank, only to improve vision ahead of planned shooting attack aimed at IDF

253 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:41:31am

re: #249 Political Atheist

I saw an opinion piece yesterday that reminded me of the last time a long hard look was taken at the FBI and NSA. The Church committee. The argument for a similar public review is clearly called for. Back then the committee issued a warning about the NSA that reads prescient today.

Communications technology is not going to go away, and it is not going to bring tyranny to America. Electing candidates who lack the intelligence and moral direction to use technology properly will.

We cannot uninvent the NSA. We can vote to control it, and even then we will never know for certain that it is effectively controlled. That’s the price of Netflix On Demand and a lot of Twitter followers.

254 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:41:59am
255 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:44:52am

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Communications technology is not going to go away, and it is not going to bring tyranny to America. Electing candidates who lack the intelligence and moral direction to use technology properly will.

We cannot uninvent the NSA. We can vote to control it, and even then we will never know for certain that it is effectively controlled. That’s the price of Netflix On Demand and a lot of Twitter followers.

AFAIK our traditional protections apply well to new technologies. Probable cause. Relevance to an investigation. Nothing without a warrant and or probable cause. These protections should be assumed to apply up front rather than applied and let the courts stop an agency years later.

Unfortunately my poll on whether domestic metadata collection that is not related to an investigation drew far too few votes to cite. I am firmly in the camp that the relevance standard is an essential protection moving forward.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:45:16am

HURR HURR OUTRAGE!!!!!!

257 erik_t  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:50:13am

re: #255 Political Atheist

AFAIK our traditional protections apply well to new technologies. Probable cause. Relevance to an investigation. Nothing without a warrant and or probable cause. These protections should be assumed to apply up front rather than applied and let the courts stop an agency years later.

Unfortunately my poll on whether domestic metadata collection that is not related to an investigation drew far too few votes to cite. I am firmly in the camp that the relevance standard is an essential protection moving forward.

I would agree, with the following caveat: it’s much harder to delineate (especially to the not-technically-inclined) what “plain view” means in the context of electronic communications.

258 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:50:30am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

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Three decades does sound about the right sentence for Snowden’s crimes.

Sounds like GG is lobbying damned hard for Snowden to be jailed. Plan for a martyr for the cause perhaps?

259 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:50:35am

re: #255 Political Atheist

AFAIK our traditional protections apply well to new technologies. Probable cause. Relevance to an investigation. Nothing without a warrant and or probable cause. These protections should be assumed to apply up front rather than applied and let the courts stop an agency years later.

Unfortunately my poll on whether domestic metadata collection that is not related to an investigation drew far too few votes to cite. I am firmly in the camp that the relevance standard is an essential protection moving forward.

Well-reasoned controls will help, but we have no way to know that the controls (laws) are being observed. For that matter we have no way of knowing they are not rendered inoperative by other laws. Think FISA court. Think Ollie North.

260 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:50:41am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This happened about three hours ago.

Last night I was Hulu-binging on “Wrecked: Life in the Crash Lane” about a Chicago auto towing company. It’s probably much less scripted than most of the reality shows, and I just enjoy watching how they manage to get some of the cars / truck recovered.

There are a bunch of insurance agents working off their Christmas dinners today I’m sure.

RBS

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:52:38am

Rebranding!

262 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:52:50am

re: #235 Pie-onist Overlord

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Long before any of the Snowjob affair started I watched GG on Bill Maher’s show and pegged GG for a lunatic zealot.

My thoughts after watching him for about 3mins were “this guy is a loon”.

263 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:53:04am

re: #213 lawhawk

I had a gnarly experience in the Finger Lakes near Cooperstown a few years back. It was in the fall, pitch-black and extremely dense fog, creeping along at 10 mph, with no other cars out. High-beams were useless. Had to worry just as much about going off the road as something hitting me, but we had to keep going precisely because of the possibility of being rear-ended by someone else.

I’ve had that a few times myself. It’s the worst feeling in the world, you can’t see to drive safely, but at the same time you can’t stop or get too slow for fear of what’s behind you. That’s where the nearest exit or pull-out area becomes my best friend.

RBS

264 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:57:49am

Thanks for that thought Pastor.

265 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:58:51am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

What a dick

Indictment: Terrorist Gaza sniper left Strip for eye treatment

Keep digging.

266 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:00:20am

re: #216 Gus

Yep. High beams make it worse actually. More light gets reflected from the fog. Fog lamps help. Ground radar would be ideal. :D

Same in a heavy snow. Just makes visibility worse.

267 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:01:32am
A Christianity tolerant of other religions is just no Christianity at all. (J. Gresham Machen)

When we won’t tolerate one another in terms of culture, color, and religion we make our lives a hell right here. I like to think of heaven and hell as earthly concepts, created or not by men.

A pastor that seeks to encourage hell on earth with intolerance is no Christian at all.

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:01:49am

re: #243 makeitstop

Snowden = MacGuffin.

Sounds about right.

Girl, you thought he was a man but he was a McGuffin…

269 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:02:05am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR OUTRAGE!!!!!!

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As long as songs by ABBA are not banned, I’m fine with this.

270 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:02:26am

re: #266 Eventual Carrion

Same in a heavy snow. Just makes visibility worse.

Shit, I’ve been in RAIN that was like that. A distinctly unhappy feeling.

271 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:02:48am

Worst Christmas ever
Piranha attack in Argentina leaves at least 60 injured, officials say

272 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:03:34am

re: #269 b_sharp

As long as songs by ABBA are not banned, I’m fine with this.

ABBA is like rice gelato—it just shouldn’t be that good.

273 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:05:05am

HURR HURR, AND THEN THEY WERE REMOVED BECAUSE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!!!

274 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:05:51am

re: #263 RealityBasedSteve

I’ve had that a few times myself. It’s the worst feeling in the world, you can’t see to drive safely, but at the same time you can’t stop or get too slow for fear of what’s behind you. That’s where the nearest exit or pull-out area becomes my best friend.

RBS

I just about plowed into an old woman a couple of years ago because she suddenly slowed down when a semi drove by going the other way and kicked up a pile of snow. The road ahead of her was straight as an arrow, there were no vehicles behind the semi for a couple of hundred metres and the roads themselves were not overly slippery.

Her stupidity just about caused the accident she was afraid of.

275 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:07:17am

re: #258 b_sharp

Sounds like GG is lobbying damned hard for Snowden to be jailed. Plan for a martyr for the cause perhaps?

There’s a lot of money to be made in “Free Edward Snowden” t-shirts, bumper stickers, buttons, magnetic car ribbons, tote bags, coffee mugs, etc.

276 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:08:47am

re: #265 b_sharp

Keep digging.

What does THAT mean?

277 Mattand  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:09:58am

re: #274 b_sharp

I just about plowed into an old woman a couple of years ago because she suddenly slowed down when a semi drove by going the other way and kicked up a pile of snow. The road ahead of her was straight as an arrow, there were no vehicles behind the semi for a couple of hundred metres and the roads themselves were not overly slippery.

Her stupidity just about caused the accident she was afraid of.

I got the gift of (most likely) $2000 worth of body damage on Christmas Eve. I was stopped at the light, and the guy in the Lexus SUV got impatient and clipped my right back end.

He literally offered me $700 cash money to not get the cops involved. Based on what little I heard between him and the responding officer, sounds like Moneybags had an expired insurance card. The phrase “My wife handles this stuff” was uttered at one point.

Unfortunately, since this is NJ, my insurance is probably going up even though it wasn’t my fault.

278 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:10:09am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

What does THAT mean?

google.ca

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:10:24am

How’s that rebranding, Erick!

280 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:11:25am

re: #277 Mattand

I got the gift of (most likely) $2000 worth of body damage on Christmas Eve. I was stopped at the light, and the guy in the Lexus SUV got impatient and clipped my right back end.

He literally offered me $700 cash money to not get the cops involved. Based on what little I heard between him and the responding officer, sounds like Moneybags had an expired insurance card. The phrase “My wife handles this stuff” was uttered at one point.

Unfortunately, since this is NJ, my insurance is probably going up even though it wasn’t my fault.

Hell of a nice Xmas gift.

281 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:11:58am

re: #278 b_sharp

SMACK!

282 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:12:05am

re: #274 b_sharp

I just about plowed into an old woman a couple of years ago because she suddenly slowed down when a semi drove by going the other way and kicked up a pile of snow. The road ahead of her was straight as an arrow, there were no vehicles behind the semi for a couple of hundred metres and the roads themselves were not overly slippery.

Her stupidity just about caused the accident she was afraid of.

Sudden blindness can scare the everloving crap right out of you. I remember driving in the worst rainfall ever, when we’d driven up to Santa Rosa to pick up our Golden from the breeder. Coming back through Marin on 101, the skies opened up. Every so often, a car next to us would hit so much water that the spray onto the windshield completely overwhelmed the wipers for a second or two - the longest seconds I’d ever experienced.

It was all I could do to do nothing.

283 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:13:00am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

You had to know that was coming from me.

284 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:15:31am

re: #283 b_sharp

You had to know that was coming from me.

“What do I mean, “what do I mean?”? What do I mean by the word “mean”? What do I mean by the word “word”? What do I mean by wasting your time like this?”

285 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:17:48am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Worst Christmas ever
Piranha attack in Argentina leaves at least 60 injured, officials say

It’s scary to think of fish that had humans for Christmas dinner.

286 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:18:11am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

How’s that rebranding, Erick!

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Wow, I had no idea Tony Snow was such a jerk.

Nobody ever ennobled a people with a lie or restored stolen dignity through fraud. Kwanzaa is the ultimate chump holiday — Jim Crow with a false and festive wardrobe. It praises practices — “cooperative economics, and collective work and responsibility” — that have succeeded nowhere on earth and would mire American blacks in endless backwardness.

287 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:19:53am

re: #282 GeneJockey

Sudden blindness can scare the everloving crap right out of you. I remember driving in the worst rainfall ever, when we’d driven up to Santa Rosa to pick up our Golden from the breeder. Coming back through Marin on 101, the skies opened up. Every so often, a car next to us would hit so much water that the spray onto the windshield completely overwhelmed the wipers for a second or two - the longest seconds I’d ever experienced.

It was all I could do to do nothing.

It is tough not to slam on the brakes, but experience makes it easier.

Although I tend to avoid it now, I used to drive out to clients during any type of weather and frequently found myself experiencing temporary whiteout conditions. I learned to anticipate the situation and back off from any cars ahead of me before the snow got kicked up.

I also learned to follow semis during heavy snowstorms. Their height gives then an advantage I guess.

288 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:20:08am

Here’s an auction item folks will find interesting, a 9mm Luger with a custom 16.5” barrel. Comments and jokes welcome, pic below:

Image: UVC14-C-F2-H.jpg

289 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:20:39am

re: #284 GeneJockey

“What do I mean, “what do I mean?”? What do I mean by the word “mean”? What do I mean by the word “word”? What do I mean by wasting your time like this?”

I think you’re just being mean.

google.ca

290 erik_t  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:21:17am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an auction item folks will find interesting, a 9mm Luger with a custom 16.5” barrel. Comments and jokes welcome, pic below:

Image: UVC14-C-F2-H.jpg

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:22:23am
292 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:22:36am

re: #284 GeneJockey

“What do I mean, “what do I mean?”? What do I mean by the word “mean”? What do I mean by the word “word”? What do I mean by wasting your time like this?”

Don’t snark. Had a whole semester of that kind of crap. Lefty tactics is not the only place I depart Chomsky.

293 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:23:53am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an auction item folks will find interesting, a 9mm Luger with a custom 16.5” barrel. Comments and jokes welcome, pic below:

Image: UVC14-C-F2-H.jpg

The Desert Eagle has dozens of one-off variants like that. Most never got out of the shop in Nazareth.

294 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:23:58am
295 BongCrodny  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:24:22am

re: #289 b_sharp

I think you’re just being mean.

Word.

296 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:24:27am

THIS WATER IS TOO WARM! TAKE IT BACK AND BRING ME SOME REAL ICE WATER!

297 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:24:59am

re: #294 Gus

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Nice!

298 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:25:31am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

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It’s FREE

299 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:26:15am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

Eric son of Erick is still on the Christmas-is-real-and-is-the-only-reality-you-need kick.

I linked to his editorial last night, where he tries to defend the legitimacy of the supposed Dec 25th birth of the supposed virgin-born Christ child.

300 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:26:17am

I’m not going to read every post, what have missed since George Takei?

301 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:27:17am

Does this need some punctuation?


oh, ‘who’ve’, not ‘who’s’, never mind.

302 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:28:31am

is it Boxing Day?

Why do they call it Boxing Day?

303 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:29:02am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

What does THAT mean?

To actually answer your question, KT has a tendency to search out the MBF to post here. Most of us get handed material from the loons de jour.
We don’t actually have to go looking for it.

304 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:31:17am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Does this need some punctuation?

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oh, ‘who’ve’, not ‘who’s’, never mind.

It needs a lot of retweets. Baby steps.

305 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:31:38am

Oh, I’m sure this is one of the reasons that Greenwald is… well… cranky.

Alan Derschowitz:

“As far as Greenwald is concerned, he’s an ideologue. I don’t think he would have revealed this information if it had been critical of Venezuela or Cuba or the Palestinian Authority. You know, he doesn’t like America. He doesn’t like Western democracies. He’s never met a terrorist he didn’t like. So he’s a very hard-left ideologue that uses this to serve his political agenda not simply to reveal information in a neutral way. That makes him very different from WikiLeaks, I think.”

306 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:32:00am

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

is it Boxing Day?

Why do they call it Boxing Day?

Yes it is boxing day in Canuckistan.

It’s called boxing day because you have to be a trained boxer to survive the crowds looking for deals and actually buy something.

307 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:42:03am

re: #303 b_sharp

To actually answer your question, KT has a tendency to search out the MBF to post here. Most of us get handed material from the loons de jour.
We don’t actually have to go looking for it.

It’s not MBF in that case, though. He was pointing out the evil of a Islamist terrorist. That’s something people need to be reminded of frequently so they don’t buy into Greenwaldism and forget who the real enemy is,

308 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:47:19am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

It’s not MBF in that case, though. He was pointing out the evil of a Islamist terrorist. That’s something people need to be reminded of frequently so they don’t buy into Greenwaldism and forget who the real enemy is,

The real enemy is anyone who wants the rest of us to live according to their own limited beliefs. Islamic, Christianist, Fascist, Anarchist, whatever.

309 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:53:44am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

Here’s an auction item folks will find interesting, a 9mm Luger with a custom 16.5” barrel. Comments and jokes welcome, pic below:

Image: UVC14-C-F2-H.jpg

Used to belong to Danny Vermin, or the Joker?


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