What the Right Wing Machine Lined Up to Defend: “You Gotta Marry These Girls When They’re 15 or 16”

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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty. The man the entire right wing media machine mobilized to defend in the past two weeks.

A good woman is “hard to find. Mainly because these boys are waiting until they get to be about 20 years old before they marry ‘em. Look, you wait till they get to be about 20 years old, they only picking that’s going to take place is your pocket. You gotta marry these girls when they’re 15 or 16, they’ll pick your ducks. You need to check with mom and dad about that, of course.” — Speaking at Sportsmen’s Ministry in Georgia in 2009.

(h/t: Gus.)

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481 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:34:20pm

Repost from previous thread:

From what I understand marrying girls off in their teens was somewhat common in the south until after WWII. So there is cultural history in play there.

/Not defending, just explaining. There are plenty of good reason why a marriage between a teenage girl and an older man is not an equal partnership.

2 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:36:21pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Repost from previous thread:

From what I understand marrying girls off in their teens was somewhat common in the south until after WWII. So there is cultural history in play there.

/Not defending, just explaining. There are plenty of good reason why a marriage between a teenage girl and an older man is not an equal partnership.

That’s more or less exactly the point.

3 sauceruney  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:36:34pm

The more I learn about this guy, the more I think he’s part of the redneck Taliban.

4 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:37:44pm

re: #3 sauceruney

The more I learn about this guy, the more I think he’s part or the redneck Taliban.

The more I learn about him, the more I realize that his fan club hasn’t the first fucking clue who they’re defending. Or they do and they agree wholeheartedly with him. I’m not quite sure which I find more disagreeable.

5 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:37:52pm

6 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:38:30pm

And people thought Deliverance was fiction……..

7 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:39:12pm

waal according to the internet phil was about 20 when he married 16 y/o kay

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:39:26pm

Reposted from downstairs:

A few things about that:

- Phil Robertson started dating his wife when she was 14 and he was 18. They married two years later

- Biblically, it was very common for much older men to marry younger women. Think men in their mid to late 20s ( or even early 30s) marrying girls age 13-17. It is commonly accepted that Mary was around 14 or 15 when she gave birth to Jesus. This was of course, in large part due to the fact that lifespans were much shorter back then so hitting the key fertility window for girls was very important.

- In the South it is WAY more common for women to get married and start having kids young than in the North. I’ve known few girls/women down here who haven’t had a baby by the time they are 25. Several women I went to school with in Canada are still without kids and over 30. I can’t even think off the top of my head of any women I know down here in my age range (I’m 32) who are still single. I guess Christianity has a lot do with it, but down here for the most part being single past a certain age is simply considered “improper” by many folks.

So, to sum up, I think there are a number of historical, religious and regional influences behind what Phil said here.

Also, please don’t take this to mean I agree with him. I don’t. By his logic my wife and I were ancient when we got married (we were 25 and 26, respectively).

9 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:39:44pm

But remember, you can’t say anything because he’s just citing scripture.
/

10 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:40:30pm

re: #5 Gus

Nice! Is this a GusShop?

11 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:41:56pm

The biggest reason Robertson supporters are so worried about Sharia law is they can’t stand the idea of competition.

12 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:42:07pm

re: #10 Balfour Rage

Nice! Is this a GusShop?

Yep.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:42:25pm

It just dawned on me why these guys are so fond of long flowing beards, hot climate and hatred of hippies not withstanding: They don’t want their fellow bushwhackers to see what a purty mouth they have.

14 GeneJockey  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:42:47pm

I just saw two articles on CNN, about a poll they released today.

In one, it says,

“Two-thirds of those questioned said the current Congress is the worst in their lifetime, with 28% disagreeing.”

In the other, it says,

“Democrats have lost their advantage and Republicans now have a slight edge in the battle for control of Congress, according to a new national poll.”

So, 2/3 think it’s the worst Congress of their lives, and yet the Republicans, who are RESPONSIBLE for it being the worst Congress, are preferred?

What the fuck is WRONG with people?!?!

15 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:02pm

re: #12 Gus

16 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:03pm

re: #14 GeneJockey

I just saw two articles on CNN, about a poll they released today.

In one, it says,

In the other, it says,

So, 2/3 think it’s the worst Congress of their lives, and yet the Republicans, who are RESPONSIBLE for it being the worst Congress, are preferred?

What the fuck is WRONG with people?!?!

The media running most stories as “Congress did…” or “Congress didn’t…,” as The Great Balance says that holding Congressional Republicans responsible for their shit is wrong unless Congressional Democrats are accorded equal “blame.”

17 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:06pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

And people thought Deliverance was fiction……..

The problem is Phil Robertson isn’t an ignorant hillbilly: He runs a successful business and he has a degree from a real university. His words are driven by dogma, not ignorance.

18 makeitstop  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:08pm

Okay, what the fuck does ‘they’ll pick your ducks’ mean? Any ideas?

19 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:20pm

To millions and millions of your fellow Americans, “Democrat” and “Republican” are just brands around which some old idea of identity is attached.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:44:49pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

The problem is Phil Robertson isn’t an ignorant hillbilly: He runs a successful business and he has a degree from a real university. His words are driven by dogma, not ignorance.

There’s a difference between “stupid” and “ignorant.” Mr. Robertson is most definitely the latter.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:45:15pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

The problem is Phil Robertson isn’t an ignorant hillbilly: He runs a successful business and he has a degree from a real university. His words are driven by dogma, not ignorance.

They’re driven by the exploitation of ignorant dogma.

22 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:45:35pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Okay, what the fuck does ‘they’ll pick your ducks’ mean? Any ideas?

I figure you just have to switch the “i” and “u” to get to the real meaning.

23 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:45:40pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Okay, what the fuck does ‘they’ll pick your ducks’ mean? Any ideas?

it means said wife will pick the feathers off of the ducks her husband shoots.

24 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:45:58pm

25 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:46:04pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Okay, what the fuck does ‘they’ll pick your ducks’ mean? Any ideas?

I don’t think I want to know.

26 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:47:03pm

I think he means they’ll “pick your ducks” rather than “pick your pockets.”

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:47:28pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Repost from previous thread:

From what I understand marrying girls off in their teens was somewhat common in the south until after WWII. So there is cultural history in play there.

/Not defending, just explaining. There are plenty of good reason why a marriage between a teenage girl and an older man is not an equal partnership.

He’s not talking about older men with younger girls. Watch the video, he’s giving advice to a young couple he met.

28 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:48:21pm

re: #24 Gus

STOP IT!!!!!
:P

29 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:48:59pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

He’s not talking about older men with younger girls. Watch the video, he’s giving advice to a young couple he met.

I think the “advice” is pretty clear, that men should find a woman when she’s young and stupid, because if they try to go looking for one after 20, then all she’ll want is the money in your wallet.

30 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:49:04pm

re: #26 Gus

I think he means they’ll “pick your ducks” rather than “pick your pockets.”

It seems nobody has watched the video.
Youtube Video
Picking ducks is plucking the feathers off after you kill them.

31 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:49:47pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

It seems nobody has watched the video.
[Embedded content]

Picking ducks is plucking the feathers off after you kill them.

He’s still saying to marry them when they’re 15 or 16.

32 calochortus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:50:00pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

He’s not talking about older men with younger girls. Watch the video, he’s giving advice to a young couple he met.

He’s not talking about 50 year olds, but he is talking about young men who are several years older than the girls they are dating. If the men were dating 20 year old women, they were presumably older than that and therefore a 15 or 16 year old girl is significantly younger. A gap of a few years at those ages is way more significant than say, a 30 year old marrying a 40 year old.

33 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:50:12pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

It seems nobody has watched the video.
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Picking ducks is plucking the feathers off after you kill them.

Ahem:

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

it means said wife will pick the feathers off of the ducks her husband shoots.

34 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:51:15pm

I saw on RealClearPolitics that 80% disapprove of Congress and 13% approve. My question is what in the world are 13% approving of? I’m willing to bet that roaches have a higher approval rating of 13%. Anybody in either party that approves of the performance of this Congress so far should be watched carefully lest they go out in the rain, look up, and drown.

RBS
I know that even turkeys aren’t that dumb….

35 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:52:07pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

It’s still just more religious misogyny, no matter how you want to slice it.

36 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:53:03pm

re: #31 Gus

He’s still saying to marry them when they’re 15 or 16.

Yes, that’s what he’s saying.

37 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:53:09pm

Uh, a 20-year-old man “dating” (read: screwing) a 16-year-old girl is rape under Louisiana law is it not?

38 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:54:37pm

re: #34 RealityBasedSteve

I saw on RealClearPolitics that 80% disapprove of Congress and 13% approve. My question is what in the world are 13% approving of? I’m willing to bet that roaches have a higher approval rating of 13%. Anybody in either party that approves of the performance of this Congress so far should be watched carefully lest they go out in the rain, look up, and drown.

RBS
I know that even turkeys aren’t that dumb….

If I had to guess, I’d say the 13% are the idjits who approve of the present gridlock and inability to pass even basic bills without partisan fighting because, in their minds, a government that can’t do its job is the next best thing to no government at all.

39 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:55:04pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

It seems nobody has watched the video.
[Embedded content]


Picking ducks is plucking the feathers off after you kill them.

And this is less offensive because how?

40 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:55:23pm

re: #31 Gus

He’s still saying to marry them when they’re 15 or 16.

Yeah, it’s still shitty advice.

41 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:55:31pm

re: #37 Balfour Rage

Uh, a 20-year-old man “dating” (read: screwing) is rape under Louisiana law is it not?

Oh, come on, he said ask their parents first.
///

42 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:56:00pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it’s still shitty advice.

:D Yep.

43 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:56:21pm

re: #41 Kragar

Oh, come on, he said ask their parents first.
///

And if they’re okay with it, get them to sign paperwork to make you her “legal guardian.” It’s the next best thing to marriage!

////

44 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:57:05pm

18M / 14F. That breaks the basic rule of (Male age / 2) + 7 = youngest woman you should ever consider dating. Marrying someone at that age, or close to it, it’s basically taking someone who is at the age where they are discovering what they can be and suddenly BOOM, their entire life horizon is changed to “Housekeeper / babymaker”. A 16 Y/O doesn’t have anything like the life experience to make these types of choices.

Of course, I’ve got a horrible track record when it comes to relationships, so take it with a grain of salt.

RBS
Who apparently doesn’t domesticate well.

45 dog philosopher  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:57:33pm

re: #31 Gus

He’s still saying to marry them when they’re 15 or 16.

all these statements of his about women and gay people, it shows a boatload of fear - he’s a very fearful and paranoid person

if you let the women get too old they’re gonna pick your pocket, the gay people are thinking up evil things to do, i mean, really - the man is a walking case history

46 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:59:22pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

And if they’re okay with it, get them to sign paperwork to make you her “legal guardian.” It’s the next best thing to marriage!

////

Just ask Ted Nugent.

47 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:59:22pm

re: #45 dog philosopher

all these statements of his about women and gay people, it shows a boatload of fear - he’s a very fearful and paranoid person

if you let the women get too old they’re gonna pick your pocket, the gay people are thinking up evil things to do, i mean, really - the man is a walking case history

Look out! Everyone is evil except you! //

48 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:00:33pm

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

18M / 14F. That breaks the basic rule of (Male age / 2) + 7 = youngest woman you should ever consider dating. Marrying someone at that age, or close to it, it’s basically taking someone who is at the age where they are discovering what they can be and suddenly BOOM, their entire life horizon is changed to “Housekeeper / babymaker”. A 16 Y/O doesn’t have anything like the life experience to make these types of choices.

Of course, I’ve got a horrible track record when it comes to relationships, so take it with a grain of salt.

RBS
Who apparently doesn’t domesticate well.

That’s effectively what my interpretation of his “advice” is, that a guy should seek out a girl when she’s 15/16, because at that age she’s not thinking of the future, not making plans, she’s still too young to be really preparing for anything but the last years of high school. Makes the job of putting her in the kitchen that much easier, when she has no ambitions of her own or a taste of life outside of school and marriage.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:00:58pm

re: #14 GeneJockey

I just saw two articles on CNN, about a poll they released today.

In one, it says,

In the other, it says,

So, 2/3 think it’s the worst Congress of their lives, and yet the Republicans, who are RESPONSIBLE for it being the worst Congress, are preferred?

What the fuck is WRONG with people?!?!

Democrats are the party in power right now, hence all the problems get blamed on them and the Republicans, being the only viable alternative, get a boost because of it.

It’s all about perception.

50 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:01:55pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Democrats are the party in power right now, hence all the problems get blamed on them and the Republicans, being the only viable alternative, get a boost because of it.

It’s all about perception.

It’s also a bit too broad to be of much use until after the primaries, as generic Republicans have seemed to always do better than their actual candidates.

51 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:03:22pm

If you see some pseudo/sorta flouncy posts from me over the next hr, I’m on tech support with my ISP.

Running .7 to 1+ second pings on the WAN side, SpeedTest.net shows 1.4Mb Down at best.

We just started watching Hangover 3 on Vudu and I’m fucking pissed!

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:03:25pm

There is no Pie this week, but there are MUFFINS!
I used this recipe for sour cream pound cake but used cupcake pans instead of a Bundt pan, because that way we can freeze for later.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:03:43pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

That’s effectively what my interpretation of his “advice” is, that a guy should seek out a girl when she’s 15/16, because at that age she’s not thinking of the future, not making plans, she’s still too young to be really preparing for anything but the last years of high school. Makes the job of putting her in the kitchen that much easier, when she has no ambitions of her own or a taste of life outside of school and marriage.

Yep. And by the time she’s 20 or so, she’s already “getting ideas” and “having opinions” and just generally thinking for herself.

Can’t have that happening…
//

54 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:04:44pm

The age of consent in Louisiana is 17.

55 jhrhv  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:04:59pm

15-16 them is yer best duck pickin years right there.

/

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:06:17pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Democrats are the party in power right now, hence all the problems get blamed on them and the Republicans, being the only viable alternative, get a boost because of it.

It’s all about perception.

The Dems are also getting hit over Obamacare’s problems:

It was bound to happen: Canceled health plans are the new stars of anti-Obamacare ads.

Americans for Prosperity, one of the most powerful tea party groups in the country, is launching TV ads Thursday against two first-term House Democrats that blame the health care law for taking away health insurance people already had.

The group is spending more than $600,000 on the ads against Rick Nolan of Minnesota’s 8th District and Ann McLane Kuster of New Hampshire’s 2nd District. And it’s promising to spend a lot more on TV, radio and digital media in the coming months to highlight the disruption it says the law is causing in people’s lives.

Unlike other tea party groups, Americans for Prosperity stayed out of the push to defund Obamacare — the campaign that led to the government shutdown — arguing that the law won’t be repealed until opponents of the law have stronger numbers in Congress. The group says this will be part of a broader campaign that will target other vulnerable House Democrats as well as Senate Democrats in close races.

“We have said all along that repealing Obamacare is a long-term effort, and these ads are a continuation of that effort,” said AFP president Tim Phillips. The message of the ads, he says, is that “it doesn’t have to be this way. It can be changed.”

And yes, I know that Charles and David Koch finance AFP. I’m posting a report, not an favorable editorial.

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:06:25pm

re: #54 Gus

The age of consent in Louisiana is 17.

But did that law exist in 1964?

58 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:06:46pm

Get em while they’re young, before they develop a mouth and git sassy with you.

The is the best/least offensive way to interpret Robertson on this?

59 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:09:09pm

It was 12 in 1880.

60 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:09:22pm

Assuming I’m only making a few hops, what’s a reasonable delay for a ping to a regional server? I’m thinking

61 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:09:41pm

re: #54 Gus

The age of consent in Louisiana is 17.

That’s probably why he added the bit about getting parents permission
usmarriagelaws.com

62 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:10:01pm

That picture will haunt me for a couple of days!

Thanks a million Gus!

63 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:10:47pm

re: #60 Ryan King

Assuming I’m only making a few hops, what’s a reasonable delay for a ping to a regional server? I’m thinking

LOL put a bad character in there. I’m thinking less than 100 ms for a regional WAN ping.

64 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:11:19pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

The Dems are also getting hit over Obamacare’s problems:

And yes, I know that Charles and David Koch finance AFP. I’m posting a report, not an favorable editorial.

They’re gonna have to work hard to keep that particular boogeyman around all the way til next November.

65 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:11:27pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

But did that law exist in 1964?

Looks like it went from 12 in 1880 and up to 18 in 1920 and then to 17 in 2007.

66 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:12:20pm
67 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:12:30pm

17, for fucks sake, that is insane. No wonder that state is so fucked up. Well, that and Bobby Jindal being governor.

68 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:12:30pm
69 jhrhv  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:12:50pm

re: #59 Gus

It was 12 in 1820.

That’s most of the problem right there. Too many of these people pine for the ethics of 1800’s.

70 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:13:39pm

Mmmhmmm. I tell yew what.

71 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:14:06pm

Children and Youth in History | Age of Consent Laws

72 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:14:20pm

Ok folks, the KEEP CALM AND ________ meme has reallly run its course.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:16:40pm

When I lived in Israel many years ago, I knew a woman who got married at 12! She was in her 40’s when I knew her. She was from Afghanistan.

74 AlexRogan  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:17:15pm

re: #18 makeitstop

Okay, what the fuck does ‘they’ll pick your ducks’ mean? Any ideas?

My guess is pick = pluck, as in cleaning the ducks after they’ve been caught.

The RWNJ ideal wife.

75 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:17:20pm
76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:18:37pm

re: #65 Gus

Looks like it went from 12 in 1880 and up to 18 in 1920 and then to 17 in 2007.

Wondering which politically connected person in Louisiana might possibly have had an “incident” with a 17-year-old girl in 2007…

Just asking questions!!!
/

77 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:18:49pm

re: #75 William of Orange

Can’t wait for his celebrity rehab episode in 10 years.

78 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:19:04pm

Depending on what backbone your on, this may be your problem. I’m currently getting 14 ms pings from 3 routers up on charter and about 40ms to google.

RSS

79 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:20:30pm

Since we’re already talking about duck hunting, here’s something more about guns and the South:

Santa brings South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley a Beretta PX4 Storm, was he that good to you?

The fat man in the red suit who rides in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer made a stop at South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley’s home last night. What he left the GOP governor was quite the gift: a Beretta PX4 Storm.

Haley showed off what arguably has to be her favorite present on social media: Facebook, Twitter and Instagram.

“Our family had a wonderful Christmas together! I must have been good Santa gave me a Beretta PX4 Storm,” wrote Haley.

Indeed. She must have been good.

Spoiler alert!

There is no Santa Clause. The gift actually came from her husband, Michael.

80 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:22:53pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Can’t wait for his celebrity rehab episode in 10 years.

Or the VH-1 “Behind the Music” (do they even do that show any more?). “The superstar once known as ‘The Beeb’ was reduced to scavenging in trashcans for cans and bottles to recycle. It was his darkest moment”

One can only wish.

RBS

81 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:23:24pm

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a RW parody of that Van Damme commercial with Phil Robertson doing splits between two giant crosses.

82 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:24:04pm

For all you music fans, a remix by Phil Retrospector of Massive Attack - Teardrops.

83 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:24:33pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, and I would add “That’s what she said” too. Fucking annoying.

84 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:25:24pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a RW parody of that Van Damme commercial with Phil Robertson doing splits between two giant crosses.

GUS!!!!!!

85 jhrhv  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:26:03pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

You have seen this before right?

Youtube Video

86 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:26:33pm

re: #84 Balfour Rage

GUS!!!!!!

Sounds complicated.

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:27:01pm

re: #86 Gus

Sounds complicated.

It would be I’m sure.

88 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:27:19pm

re: #85 jhrhv

You have seen this before right?

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Oh yes, awesomeness defined.

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:28:21pm

re: #85 jhrhv

You have seen this before right?

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Thanks, I was looking for that but couldn’t find it. Chuck Norris doing that split between C5M Galaxies is the RW version of the van Damne commercial.

90 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:28:40pm

Heh, either Putin ripped off Chuck Norris or…

91 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:31:42pm
92 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:31:45pm

93 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:33:04pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

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Nice ink. great shading on the yarn ball. Also looks like a lot of single needle work which is sort of ‘stingy’.

RBS

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:35:00pm
95 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:35:11pm


Rest in peace.

:)

Lou must be laughing in his grave!

96 Stanley Sea  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:35:40pm

re: #93 RealityBasedSteve

Nice ink. great shading on the yarn ball. Also looks like a lot of single needle work which is sort of ‘stingy’.

RBS

And cats.

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:37:12pm

This DEMANDS a caption contest:

98 KettleKat  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:37:17pm

He’s like some kind of redneck Saruman. Can you see it?

99 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:37:49pm

re: #95 William of Orange

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Rest in peace.

:)

Iggy Pop?

100 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:39:04pm

re: #99 Gus

Yep.

101 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:40:02pm

re: #95 William of Orange

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Rest in peace.

:)

Lou must be laughing in his grave!

And Iggy is still alive even though he doesn’t look it.

102 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:40:58pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

“More fun than burning a cross!!!”

103 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:41:33pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

This DEMANDS a caption contest:

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Perpetuum mobile.

104 calochortus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:44:01pm

re: #102 Balfour Rage

“More fun than burning a cross!!!”

What wouldn’t be more fun than that?

105 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:44:02pm

I heard some shocking, I mean just freaking groundshaking news today:

Obama’s approval 4 pts worse than Bush at same point in presidency.

This could only mean one thing:

Obama is really is a HomoMuslimCommunist.

106 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:44:56pm
107 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:45:32pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

This DEMANDS a caption contest:

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I’ll give it a title instead: Cycle of Violence.

108 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:46:06pm

re: #60 Ryan King

Assuming I’m only making a few hops, what’s a reasonable delay for a ping to a regional server? I’m thinking

I get an 86ms ping from here to SF to St Louis, 33ms to SF

109 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:46:12pm

re: #105 Ryan King

I heard some shocking, I mean just freaking groundshaking news today:

Obama’s approval 4 pts worse than Bush at same point in presidency.

This could only mean one thing:

Obama is really is a HomoMuslimCommunist.

Doubt it, but if true Bush has a ten point cushion of whiteness.

110 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:47:38pm

re: #105 Ryan King

I heard some shocking, I mean just freaking groundshaking news today:

Obama’s approval 4 pts worse than Bush at same point in presidency.

This could only mean one thing:

Obama is really is a HomoMuslimCommunist.

Well, there is NO WAY he’s getting re-elected again. That’s for sure.

RBS

111 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:48:18pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

I’ll give it a title instead: Cycle of Violence.

Spinning round an axle of evil.

112 Bubblehead II  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:48:20pm

Night Lizards.

113 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:48:52pm

re: #112 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards.

Already morning for me.

114 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:49:47pm

re: #108 Single-handed sailor

I get an 86ms ping from here to SF to St Louis, 33ms to SF

Unplugged crap, started testing, have rebuilt everything and now all is WINNING.

I’m wondering if I have a bad switch or router that fails intermittently.

I’ll I know is if Hangover 3 gets interrupted again I’m going to literally murder 2 million kittens, which means I’d be very irritated at Cisco.

115 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:50:29pm

James Newell “Jim” Osterberg

116 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:51:56pm
117 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:52:12pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty hate machine.

118 calochortus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:52:54pm

re: #110 RealityBasedSteve

Well, there is NO WAY he’s getting re-elected again. That’s for sure.

RBS

That’s why he’s going to have to suspend the Constitution and take over by force or guile.
/

119 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:53:27pm

Iggy Pop died? Oh hell no…

120 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:53:56pm

re: #119 Ryan King

Iggy Pop died? Oh hell no…

No.

121 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:54:15pm

re: #116 Gus

Clamshell lighting. Looks like an octabank key up top, softbox fill below. Very nicely done.

122 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:55:16pm

re: #118 calochortus

That’s why he’s going to have to suspend the Constitution and take over by force or guile.
/

Well you know that civilian force that he talked about has bought over 1 billion rounds of ammunition… that’s a fact you know.

////////////snark

RBS

123 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:55:22pm
124 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:57:59pm

re: #121 Balfour Rage

Clamshell lighting. Looks like an octabank key up top, softbox fill below. Very nicely done.

Ya beat me to it. Very flattering lighting, especially with women, and he still looks like 10 miles of bad road. I’ve done it with a single shoot-through and a reflector mounted just out of frame on the bottom.

RBS

125 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:58:04pm

re: #114 Ryan King

Unplugged crap, started testing, have rebuilt everything and now all is WINNING.

I’m wondering if I have a bad switch or router that fails intermittently.

I’ll I know is if Hangover 3 gets interrupted again I’m going to literally murder 2 million kittens, which means I’d be very irritated at Cisco.

Ever seen a Cisco Director switch in a Datacenter? Makes a man cry. All the cheap shit we buy and pretend it’s top of the line tech stuff is a joke. A real geek goes to Hak5 and builds a custom router from scratch and rocks the world.

126 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:58:35pm
127 calochortus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:59:04pm

re: #122 RealityBasedSteve

Well you know that civilian force that he talked about has bought over 1 billion rounds of ammunition… that’s a fact you know.

////////////snark

RBS

I’m scared! Oh wait, no I’m not.

128 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:59:12pm

re: #123 William of Orange

Mars: 2 moons; Jupiter 63 moons; Saturn 61 moons; Uranus 27 moons; Neptune 13 moons; Bill O’Reilly 0 brains.

129 Odie Hugh Manatee  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 7:59:23pm

re: #102 Balfour Rage

“More fun than burning a cross!!!”

More like:

“Almost as fun as burning a cross!!!”

130 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:01:11pm

re: #120 Gus

No.

Well then who died? Morgan Freeman or Edward James Olmos?

131 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:01:35pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

I highly recommend the new book “50 Portraits” by Gregory Heisler. It’s awesome stuff from one of the best.

132 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:01:46pm
133 William of Orange  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:02:09pm

re: #130 Ryan King

Well then who died? Morgan Freeman or Edward James Olmos?

If you make a t-shirt of them, they might.

134 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:02:47pm

re: #131 Balfour Rage

I highly recommend the new book “50 Portraits” by Gregory Heisler. It’s awesome stuff from one if the best.

Thanks!!!! I’ll have to check it out. I got an Amazon gift card for Christmas.


RBS

135 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:03:22pm

re: #133 William of Orange

If you make a t-shirt of them, they might.

Geeze, sounds like an old Twilight Zone episode.

RBS

136 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:05:23pm

re: #125 HoosierHoops

Ever seen a Cisco Director switch in a Datacenter? Makes a man cry. All the cheap shit we buy and pretend it’s top of the line tech stuff is a joke. A real geek goes to Hak5 and builds a custom router from scratch and rocks the world.

No, but I’ve used their good stuff.

I also was involved on the CEO’s personal vacation home. Except that he put his head security guy in charge of all the systems, including the systems he has no freaking experience in. Total Level 7 Cluster.

I overpriced the later phases and ‘lost’ the job to the low bidder. Probably made my boss a ton of $ by doing so, though he surely was not in a complimentary mood. Ungrateful bastard.

137 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:06:28pm

re: #130 Ryan King

Well then who died? Morgan Freeman or Edward James Olmos?

Buddy Hackett.

138 Kid A  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:12:45pm

re: #134 RealityBasedSteve

Others:

1. “Road to Seeing” by Dan Winters (I just got this one).

2. Any book by Joe McNally.

3. Read strobist.com

4. Read Robert Seale’s blog.

139 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:20:52pm

NSA Report

Date: 10/21/2013
Time: 1832
Subject: Gus_802
Report: Gus ordered pizza with pepperoni and extra cheese.

140 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:25:15pm

re: #138 Balfour Rage

Others:

1. “Road to Seeing” by Dan Winters (I just got this one).

2. Any book by Joe McNally.

3. Read strobist.com

4. Read Robert Seale’s blog.

Have devoured strobist.com. That’s what fired my interest in ‘Creating’ as opposed to just ‘Taking’ pictures. also follow TheNikonGuy on youtube, and a few others.

RBS

141 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:27:29pm

re: #139 Gus

>NSA Report

Date: 10/21/2013
Time: 1832
Subject: Gus_802
Report: Gus ordered pizza with pepperoni and extra cheese.

TO: ACA Administration
FROM: NSA
PRIORITY: Urgent Double Important

Urgent Alert… Gus_802 has ordered a pepperoni and extra cheese pizza. Adjust his health care premiums accordingly.


RBS

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:27:57pm

Drawing Stuff on the Pope’s Face

this desperate need to brand and tattoo the non-conforming among us, our near-biological urge for all things to fit into their sacred place within The Very Important Culture Wars, all this only bears witness to the inability of Francis to be contained to the world — a happy handicap shared by every Catholic who wakes up and decides to be Catholic. The need to make something out of Francis is evidence that we cannot make head or tail of him.

In truth, I have little else to say besides the hope that we follow suit, all of us living lives bursting from this boring, abysmal tupperware of current culture. It is no difficult thing. We need only follow the example of our Holy Father, to become with him true sons and daughters of the Church. Being Catholic — not screwing around, really being the thing — is a panting pursuit of all the ways we become fully alive and fully ourselves. It is the liberty to be ourselves, and, in this marvelous singularity, to be wrenched from all reductions, all systems, imitations, fashions and passing fads. Let us live this Pope Francis stuff, this radical obedience that tastes like rebellion, to the point that our weary world is reduced to drawing what they want us to be on our faces.

143 Ryan King  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:30:27pm

re: #141 RealityBasedSteve

TO: ACA Administration
FROM: NSA
PRIORITY: Urgent Double Important Double Plus Ungood

Urgent Alert… Gus_802 has ordered a pepperoni and extra cheese pizza. Adjust his health care premiums accordingly.

RBS

Get your narratives in NewSpeak brother.

144 HoosierHoops  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:43:39pm

re: #141 RealityBasedSteve

TO: ACA Administration
FROM: NSA
PRIORITY: Urgent Double Important

Urgent Alert… Gus_802 has ordered a pepperoni and extra cheese pizza. Adjust his health care premiums accordingly.

RBS

Well RBS..You didn’t need a magic hat to predict this.. After 911 our company made a billion bucks on storage disks and SANS infrastructure..
I posted here quietly for many years. Don’t be surprised if the Government can record every spoken word on cell in the future. It’s where we are going. There is no reason to become an alarmist over data collection…Think 50 years from now and relax..Boy those were the good old days!

145 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:46:12pm
146 allegro  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:55:06pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

When women become equals in the church and stop dying in Catholic hospitals for need of life-saving abortions, when the rapists of children are prosecuted and not protected, when the golden riches of the church are distributed to the impoverished believers and the African AIDS epidemic is slowed by the encouragement of the pope to use condoms, I will begin to think that that this pope is a “non-conformist.” Until then it’s just platitudes and PR.

147 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:55:53pm

148 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 8:57:45pm

Misinformer Of The Year: CBS News

149 sagehen  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:03:24pm

re: #80 RealityBasedSteve

Or the VH-1 “Behind the Music” (do they even do that show any more?). “The superstar once known as ‘The Beeb’ was reduced to scavenging in trashcans for cans and bottles to recycle. It was his darkest moment”

One can only wish.

RBS

His manager’s actually a decent guy, been putting the kid through financial planning tutorials ever since his first million. And the mom’s not an idiot either. It would take a lot of heroin, a lot of willfully ignorant “investments”, or both, for that kid to ever end up broke.

150 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:11:59pm

re: #116 Gus

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This would make an awesome bust.

151 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:12:08pm

A week later and the whole “Duck Dynasty” business has pretty much dropped off the wingnut radar, which is pretty much what A&E probably expected. I don’t expect it’ll be much longer, say a week or two, before the suspension is lifted and Phil returned to the show.

152 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:12:52pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

Misinformer Of The Year: CBS News

Informer of the Year: Snow

153 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:15:57pm

re: #147 Gus

whoa. I just had multiple cutegasms.

154 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:17:38pm

re: #149 sagehen

His manager’s actually a decent guy, been putting the kid through financial planning tutorials ever since his first million. And the mom’s not an idiot either. It would take a lot of heroin, a lot of willfully ignorant “investments”, or both, for that kid to ever end up broke.

I’m really glad to hear that. I suspect that is FAR from the norm in the music industry. You hear way too many stories of performers, athletes, others that make a huge amount of money very fast and very young becoming their own worst enemy in many ways. Of course, I can honestly say that if I was in the same situation when I was that age I’d be my own worst enemy. (Heck, if it were to happen today, the first thing I’d do is get a good lawyer and acct. to protect me from me.)

RBS

155 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:21:33pm

re: #5 Gus

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OMG Bachmann eyes.

156 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:23:39pm

re: #154 RealityBasedSteve

I’m really glad to hear that. I suspect that is FAR from the norm in the music industry. You hear way too many stories of performers, athletes, others that make a huge amount of money very fast and very young becoming their own worst enemy in many ways. Of course, I can honestly say that if I was in the same situation when I was that age I’d be my own worst enemy. (Heck, if it were to happen today, the first thing I’d do is get a good lawyer and acct. to protect me from me.)

RBS

Too many cases like Beiber’s end up that way because either the agent effectively cuts off the star from his family in interests of “appearances” or, in far worse circumstances, the family start pushing their kid into bad situations just to keep the gravy train rolling. Which is what makes me happy to hear that, in this instance, neither seems to be the case. Hopefully that means that, once the pop stardom has faded away, he can look forward either to a life of normalcy or a career as an adult in another form of entertainment.

157 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:24:20pm

re: #155 b_sharp

OMG Bachmann eyes.

Yep. :D

158 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:35:06pm

This is pretty cool.

Extreme Railways: Congos Jungle Railway

Youtube Video

159 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:37:54pm

Alan Dershowitz rips Edward Snowden: ‘We have an absolute right’ to spy on other countries

“He could have easily gone on 60 Minutes, and disclosed the existence of the program without disclosing the contents, some of which is extremely damaging to our national security,” Dershowitz told Hardball guest host Michael Smerconish, arguing that he could have released the information he compiled while working at the agency in a classified debriefing, instead of going to the Post and The Guardian.

In particular, Dershwoitz slammed Snowden for bringing to light the agency’s surveillance activities against other countries, saying they “raise some questions, but [were] not unconstitutional.

“We have an absolute right under our Constitution to listen to the prime minister of Israel, to listen to the chancellor of Germany,” Dershowitz said. “That is not a constitutional issue, and yet he disclosed — or people working on his behalf — the fact that we are using surveillance abroad, outside the country, where the Constitution does not apply.”

Dershowitz also argued that Snowden failed his criteria for criminal civil disobedience because of his departure from U.S. soil, and because his actions were not “a last resort,” a point Gellman contested.

160 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:43:58pm

re: #157 Gus

Yep. :D

That has to be the most frightening combination I have ever seen outside of Killer Clowns.

161 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 9:46:24pm

re: #160 b_sharp

That has to be the most frightening combination I have ever seen outside of Killer Clowns.

I like to scare myself from time to time. :D

162 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:00:29pm

163 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:01:44pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

I expect Phil or one of his clans to get an invitation to come on DWTS.

164 Kragar  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:01:47pm

re: #162 Gus

STOP THAT!

165 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:02:05pm

re: #162 Gus

Phil Robertson - cross dresser.

166 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:11:20pm

Phil would not approve… I think:

‘Men are stuck’ in gender roles, data suggest

Even as society encourages women into typically male roles, research shows it holds rigid gender stereotypes for men — probably to everyone’s detriment.

C.J. Duron, 6, has gravitated toward Barbies, Disney princesses and pink since he was a toddler. In a blog and book, his mother, Lori Duron, chronicles the worries the family faces concerning gender stereotypes. (Liz O. Baylen, Los Angeles Times / December 7, 2013)

167 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:15:16pm

168 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:23:30pm

re: #167 Gus

I think Phil would make a good Indian goddess.

169 Targetpractice  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:27:29pm

re: #166 freetoken

Phil would not approve… I think:

‘Men are stuck’ in gender roles, data suggest

C.J. Duron, 6, has gravitated toward Barbies, Disney princesses and pink since he was a toddler. In a blog and book, his mother, Lori Duron, chronicles the worries the family faces concerning gender stereotypes. (Liz O. Baylen, Los Angeles Times / December 7, 2013)

I have to disagree to a point with the article, though I’m sure it’s more anecdotal on my part than actual science, and that’s the acceptance of masculinity in women. It’s something that we as a society have accepted more and more in recent decades, but is still really only seen as acceptable early on in life. In much of my experience, the idea is still that by a time a girl begins the transition into an adult, she’s to have shed all that and begun “accepting” herself as a woman. That women who are still very masculine are acceptable in certain occupational fields, while most of the rest still draw the conclusion that a masculine acting woman is either a lesbian or trying to act like a man to attain acceptance in male-dominated occupations.

170 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:36:14pm

Phil is telling guys in their 20s to find a 15-16 yo girl because at that age, they are more likely to believe the bullshit coming out of a guy’s mouth. To him, younger = more obedient. A single woman in her 20s is more likely to know better.

His line about asking the parents for permission is just his way of trying to weasel out of saying out loud that rape is a-ok with him.

171 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:36:18pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

My semi-conclusion is that gender roles are time-sensitive cultural objects, while gender itself is just biology. And, until we genetically engineer the new human or get to a new android-type existence we’ll always have gender dynamics to deal with.

172 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:42:08pm

re: #168 freetoken

I think Phil would make a good Indian goddess.

173 allegro  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:43:03pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

You are so dead on.

174 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:50:00pm

re: #172 Gus

bwah….

That one will get you knocked down to a lower level of Hell, no doubt.

175 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:50:49pm

re: #174 freetoken

bwah….

That one will get you knocked down to a lower level of Hell, no doubt.

176 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:53:04pm

re: #175 Gus

Guru Anas Anusphobiala

177 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:53:54pm

re: #176 freetoken

Guru Anas Anusphobiala

Found it in the attic. //

178 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:56:19pm

These are definitely tweetable, if you want your creations out there in the big world.

179 Gus  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 10:59:59pm

re: #178 freetoken

These are definitely tweetable, if you want your creations out there in the big world.

Tweeted a couple. Maybe more tomorrow. Right now I better go to sleep. Hasta later.

‘Night. Zzzzz.

180 freetoken  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 11:00:03pm

You could add his name, which according to Google translate, in Hindi would be “गुरु कलहंस Anusphobiala”

181 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 12:33:30am

MP3 Audio

182 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 1:50:57am

re: #44 RealityBasedSteve

18M / 14F. That breaks the basic rule of (Male age / 2) + 7 = youngest woman you should ever consider dating. Marrying someone at that age, or close to it, it’s basically taking someone who is at the age where they are discovering what they can be and suddenly BOOM, their entire life horizon is changed to “Housekeeper / babymaker”. A 16 Y/O doesn’t have anything like the life experience to make these types of choices.

Of course, I’ve got a horrible track record when it comes to relationships, so take it with a grain of salt.

RBS
Who apparently doesn’t domesticate well.

You’re on to it. Guys like Robertson want someone young and naive like that so they can “train” her to be the wife they want. I’ve heard that more than once. When I was 16, a 20 yr old guy seemed too old to me. Yes, I married young, at 18, but he was 19, but that was over 50 yrs ago, too, not uncommon then for young couples to get married right out of HS.

Robertson, however, was 4 yrs his wife’s senior and he was already attending college. And how does a couple both attend college (as they claim they did) while they’re having children one after another? I think the proof is what we see here: they were both piss-poor students.

Would you date a 9th grader if you were a college freshman? In some stories about them, it’s said they “went to college” together. I doubt that, unless they meant she started college after they had already been married 2 yrs and he was in grad school. The oldest son is Alan, age 47—Phil is 67, 4 yrs older than Kay, so you do the math.

If he picked this girl out when she was 14, when was he doing all that hell raising he likes to talk about? When she was busy having babies year after year while he was in college? Obviously, she already knew her place. BTW, the oldest son Alan is a preacher and he joined the show to cash in this year, so you can see where this is going.

These people hide their greed and reactionary politics under their religion. This is the phenomenon known as “prosperity gospel” and it’s what draws a lot of people to these people. They’re rich, they’re religious, they’re “country”, and hey, don’t you just want to be like them?

usmagazine.com

183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:09:29am

This has been a fortuitous development. The Right has been using its “double-doen” rhetorical approach: instead of simply defending this fellow’s right to his opinion, no matter how backward, they embrace him as a Rosa Parks of free speech and let us know what inbred evil lurks behind their agenda.

184 Kragar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:16:55am

re: #183 Sol Berdinowitz

This has been a fortuitous development. The Right has been using its “double-doen” rhetorical approach: instead of simply defending this fellow’s right to his opinion, no matter how backward, they embrace him as a Rosa Parks of free speech and let us know what inbred evil lurks behind their agenda.

The best part?

When they thought he was just talking about gays, they went all in about how they supported him. As more of this vile turd’s opinions come out, they’re stuck defending him because they’re too bullheaded to admit they were wrong.

185 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:21:39am

re: #184 Kragar

The best part?

When they thought he was just talking about gays, they went all in about how they supported him. As more of this vile turd’s opinions come out, they’re stuck defending him because they’re too bullheaded to admit they were wrong.

Like previous post on Sister Sarah, who never even read the interview, just jumped in to defend him as a fellow icon of American rugged independence, self-reliance and disdain for overeddicated elitists.

186 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:30:08am

re: #169 Targetpractice

I have to disagree to a point with the article, though I’m sure it’s more anecdotal on my part than actual science, and that’s the acceptance of masculinity in women. It’s something that we as a society have accepted more and more in recent decades, but is still really only seen as acceptable early on in life. In much of my experience, the idea is still that by a time a girl begins the transition into an adult, she’s to have shed all that and begun “accepting” herself as a woman. That women who are still very masculine are acceptable in certain occupational fields, while most of the rest still draw the conclusion that a masculine acting woman is either a lesbian or trying to act like a man to attain acceptance in male-dominated occupations.

I’m not sure I know what you mean by women being “masculine”? Want to explain that? What exactly makes a woman “masculine”?

Who gets to define “feminine” and “masculine”?

I think the article is pretty spot-on in a few assumptions: that men are seen as more valuable than women, and that to treasure what girls or women do, or do the work that women are typically assigned is emasculating, and that men will not give up higher paying jobs for “women’s” jobs which generally pay much less. The latter, of course, meaning higher up on the pay scale, since most lower paying jobs are not affected—all burger flippers get paid the same, regardless of what sex they are.

At the same time, gay couples make more money than hetero couples (and education and children have a lot to do with that). Lesbian couples, however, make slightly more than gay male couples, and I don’t think those lesbians are out there busting rocks, anymore than gay men are.

Gay Couples More Educated, Higher-Income Than Heterosexual Couples

usnews.com

187 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:37:51am

People who have no idea what it really means to be a man in modern society or to be a patriot in a changing world are often the ones who cling to (often outdated) external symbols asociated with the terms: guns, beards, trucks, flag lapel pins, etc., and throw the biggest hissy fits when they see those symbols under “attack”.

188 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:50:57am

I don’t suppose this is much news when you consider the murder rate in LA.

4 dead after Lafourche Parish shooting spree, including suspect

nola.com

“A shooting spree Thursday night (Dec. 26) in Lafourche Parish left four people dead, including the suspected gunman, according to the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office. The dead include a Lafourche Parish councilman’s wife, the suspect’s wife, an Ochsner St. Anne General Hospital administrator as well as the suspect, the Sheriff’s Office said.

“Lafourche Parish Councilman Louis Phillip Goaux was injured in one of the shootings, the Sheriff’s Office said.”

189 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 2:53:26am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Obviously one of the handful of leftist socialists to be found in Louisiana…

190 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 3:01:58am

re: #189 Sol Berdinowitz

Obviously one of the handful of leftist socialists to be found in Louisiana…

This guy took out his frustrations on everyone. Turns out he had once been married to the councilman’s daughter and there was a custody battle over their 4 kids. Also, Freeman had been a nurse but fired from the hospital, so sounds as though he was out for revenge.

houmatoday.com

191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 3:03:47am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

Only Leftists kill out of revenge, True Conservatives only kill in the name of defending Freedoms.

192 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 3:18:26am

Tomorrow, 1.3M people will be cut from unemployment benefits. Average benefit: $300/wk.

If you’re single, or a sole breadwinner, or your partner is also unemployed, this is going to be a killer for those folks.

It’s hard to live on $300/wk but impossible to live on nothing.

In NC, if you have no children, you can’t even get on the dole. If you’ve never been unemployed for any length of time, you might not understand the depression and despair that goes with that, even to the point of inaction, of increasing self-doubt, of eroding decision-making ability. I was blacklisted in my normal occupation in the 1990s and lost everything, so I understand those feelings very well, but I survived it. It made me do a lot of reassessing of what I was going to do with the rest of my life, and it wasn’t getting back into the rat race.

193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 3:22:55am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Your value as a human being is based entirly on your success in the competitive marketplace.

194 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 3:30:17am

re: #193 Sol Berdinowitz

Your value as a human being is based entirly on your success in the competitive marketplace.

My, you certainly are being snarky this morning (yes, I realize it’s almost lunch time there).

Bullshit. Those creeps might have gotten their job back, losing a valuable employee to satisfy the ego of a lying young associate lawyer who fucked up his own case, but they couldn’t capture my essence. The smallish settlement I received for sexual harrassment was a bit of vindication, along with my charges of racial discrimination. The firm was forced to start hiring Black employees after the senior partner told me he never would hire a Black person because his Black clientele thought “white people are smarter”.

The blacklisting was “payback”.

195 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:01:26am

re: #162 Gus

That’s what I’m talking about!

196 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:23:00am

I’ve been mucho ocupado hoy dia, so I’m just now getting to comment on things.

Rabbi Boteach’s comments made me realize something interesting. Though China has been for all intents and purposes Christianity-free for thousands of years, homophobia exists here, especially among the older generations. But, as far as I know, there is nothing in Buddhism, Taoism or Confucianism specifically condemning homosexuality. Yet, until recently, LGBT folks had to hide their sexuality for fear of shunning by their families and friends. According to Christian fundies, this is as it should be, but the reasons do not result from Chinese familiarity with Christianity or the Bible. It’s just a cultural thing, as the Rabbi noted.

The Communist Revolution carried with it a strong puritanical sense about sexuality of all kinds, as well. As a result, Chinese attitudes toward sexuality remained stuck in the 1950s until quite recently. As in the USA, the Chinese born after 1980 or so are much less disturbed by homosexuality than their parents and grandparents. Many are accepting of LGBT people, even among their own roommates. Several well known and well liked Chinese pop stars and actors have come out in the last several years, and their popularity has remained undiminished.

The old fogies here (the current sitting president, Xi JinPing, among them) blame Western influence, which may be partly true, but I believe it’s just a new chapter in human social evolution worldwide.

The times they are a-changing.

197 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:32:08am

Perhaps the most spectacular marriage/collaboration in memory:

ARIEL DURANT, HISTORIAN IS DEAD; WROTE ‘THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION’


nytimes.com

Recounting her wedding day, Mrs. Durant said, ”I roller-skated all the way down from Harlem to City Hall.”

(Full disclosure—Wife was 18 when we married, 19 a mother. It’s only been 47 years, so it could still go bad.)

198 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:42:51am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Perhaps the most spectacular marriage/collaboration in memory:

ARIEL DURANT, HISTORIAN IS DEAD; WROTE ‘THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION’

nytimes.com

Recounting her wedding day, Mrs. Durant said, “I roller-skated all the way down from Harlem to City Hall.”

(Full disclosure—Wife was 18 when we married, 19 a mother. It’s only been 47 years, so it could still go bad.)

There’s gotta be a typo in here:

Mrs. Durant had suffered a stroke some time ago. She was 83 years old.

The news of her death has been kept from Mr. Durant, who is 95 and was hospitalized in Los Angeles three weeks ago after surgery. The historians would have observed their 68th wedding anniversary on Saturday. She was 15 and he was 28 and her teacher at the Ferrer Modern School in New York, when they met, and married, in 1913.

1913 has to be a typo, if the rest of the dates are correct they were married in 1945.

199 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:47:37am

re: #198 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s gotta be a typo in here:

1913 has to be a typo, if the rest of the dates are correct they were married in 1945.

Nope.
They died within weeks of each other in 1981—just short of their 68th anniversary.

Other half of the story:

en.wikipedia.org

200 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:48:39am

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Nope.
They died within weeks of each other in 1981—just short of their 68th anniversary.

Other half of the story:

en.wikipedia.org

LOL I didn’t see that 1981 in there, thought it was recent.

201 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:50:22am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi

Russia was also sexually puritanical under the Soviet regime, and now that the Orthodox Church is re-ascendant under Putin, they have perpetuated a very homophobic and patriarchal view of society and sexuality.

And then there is the example of fundamentalist Hindu India, which is notorious for its disregard of women and gays.

In the end, it has little to do with the religion itself, it has a lot more to do with the degree of social backwardness.

202 Decatur Deb  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:51:08am

re: #200 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL I didn’t see that 1981 in there, thought it was recent.


Book of the Month Club was supported largely by the special 11 vol edition of their book, given as the sign-up premium for decades.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:54:18am

Wingnuts are jubilating about THEM LAZY UNEMPLOYED MOOCHERS losing benefits.

204 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 4:55:59am

HURR HURR THOSE UPPITY COLLEGE EDUMACATED LIBRUL ARTS PROFESHUNELS CAN JUST FIND THEM JRRBZ AT WALMART & MICKEY D!!!!11!! HURR HURR

205 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:07:37am

re: #159 Kragar

Alan Dershowitz rips Edward Snowden: ‘We have an absolute right’ to spy on other countries

Given time to prepare, Dershowitz is devastating in debate. He’s smarter than most commentators, and his long years as a trial lawyer required him to learn how to do first rate legal research, and he has staff and students who can do so as well. As a result he came into that segment better prepared than his opponents and countered them effectively at every turn.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:12:51am

re: #203 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are jubilating about THEM LAZY UNEMPLOYED MOOCHERS losing benefits.

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militray? I need a new dictionary…

207 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:12:56am

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Given time to prepare, Dershowitz is devastating in debate. He’s smarter than most commentators, and his long years as a trial lawyer required him to learn how to do first rate legal research, and he has staff and students who can do so as well. As a result he came into that segment better prepared than his opponents and countered them effectively at every turn.

Legalistically, of course, Dershowitz is absolutely correct. However, Snowgreen and Co are trying to make a moral argument out of it, the same way Robertson is trying to do with his bullshit.

The convergence of right and left, once again.

208 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:13:53am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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militray? I need a new dictionary…

It’s like, “respect my authoritay”, mmkay?

209 The War TARDIS  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:14:25am

I will have a review of The TIme of the Doctor done in the next few days.

210 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:15:26am

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

Legalistically, of course, Dershowitz is absolutely correct. However, Snowgreen and Co are trying to make a moral argument out of it, the same way Robertson is trying to do with his bullshit.

The convergence of right and left, once again.

They can try that but I don’t see it working. Americans really don’t care if the NSA spies on foreigners, as long as doing so keeps Islamist terrorism cut back as far as possible.

211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:15:35am

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Given time to prepare, Dershowitz is devastating in debate. He’s smarter than most commentators, and his long years as a trial lawyer required him to learn how to do first rate legal research, and he has staff and students who can do so as well. As a result he came into that segment better prepared than his opponents and countered them effectively at every turn.

As soon as foreign conties renounce their right to spy on us and grant us the abillity to independenly verify their compliance, then it will no longer be morally justifiable for us to spy on them.

Somebody just dumped a big pile of sparkly shit on my lawn, I am convinced that if i dig long enough, I will find a unicorn under it…

212 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:15:57am

“Andi Benghazi” has to be an FBI honeypot. HAS TO BE. This is a whole bunch of crazy, but nothing that would suggest it is a parody.

213 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:18:44am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

militray? I need a new dictionary…

That is what my Aunt Millie uses to bring the tea to the parlor at tea time.

214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:19:38am

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

“Andi Benghazi” has to be an FBI honeypot. HAS TO BE. This is a whole bunch of crazy, but nothing that would suggest it is a parody.

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Six million Jews murdered = BENGHAZI!!!
Betrayal of Munich agreement = OBAMACARE LIES!!!1!!
Occupation of foreign country, deportation of workers = OBAMAPHONES!!!111ty11!!

ironclad logic, there…

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215 JDRhoades  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:27:56am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

The problem is Phil Robertson isn’t an ignorant hillbilly: He runs a successful business and he has a degree from a real university. His words are driven by dogma, not ignorance.

He’s a savvy marketer who knows what it takes to get his rube target audience riled up and flocking to his defense.

216 JDRhoades  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:31:13am

re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus

Phil is telling guys in their 20s to find a 15-16 yo girl because at that age, they are more likely to believe the bullshit coming out of a guy’s mouth. To him, younger = more obedient.

He’s clearly never met my daughter. We couldn’t even get her to clean her room at 16.

217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:32:33am

re: #215 JDRhoades

The problem is Phil Robertson isn’t an ignorant hillbilly: He runs a successful business and he has a degree from a real university. His words are driven by dogma, not ignorance.

He’s a savvy marketer who knows what it takes to get his rube target audience riled up and flocking to his defense.

And his appeal to his target audience was at a visceral level: he looked like a cross between a rock star, Biblical patriarch and Confederate cavalry officer. This made him the embodiment of rough independence, staunch self-reliance and Biblical/Family Values.

A lot of his target rubes saw any “attack” on him as an affront to everything they hold dear.

218 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:35:09am

re: #214 Sol Berdinowitz

Six million Jews murdered = BENGHAZI!!!
Betrayal of Munich agreement = OBAMACARE LIES!!!1!!
Occupation of foreign country, deportation of workers = OBAMAPHONES!!!111ty11!!

ironclad logic, there…

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When the civil war in Libya first broke out, I was astonished at how large Benghazi had become, as my only knowledge of the place was in conjunction with its importance as a port in World War II. At the time, I was glad that I’d read about the terrain in eastern Libya and seen photos of it, since it meant I could explain the fighting to other people.

Since the transformation of the Benghazi attack of 9/11/12 from a murderous terrorist rampage into a wingnut OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!1, I’ve found myself wishing more and more that the revolt in Benghazi had never broken out and the place had stayed an old spot on the map for me.

219 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:51:09am

re: #167 Gus

Be evil, See no evil, meh to evil.

220 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:51:16am

re: #216 JDRhoades

Phil is telling guys in their 20s to find a 15-16 yo girl because at that age, they are more likely to believe the bullshit coming out of a guy’s mouth. To him, younger = more obedient.

He’s clearly never met my daughter. We couldn’t even get her to clean her room at 16.

I’m sure he believes that a thumb width sized stick would be called for if the wife didn’t toe his line and do as she is told.

221 The War TARDIS  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:52:21am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

Going to have to ding you. Still support the Libyan Revolution.

222 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:52:31am

Good morning.
Youtube Video

223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:52:49am

re: #220 Eventual Carrion

I’m sure he believes that a thumb width sized stick would be called for if the wife didn’t toe his line and do as she is told.

He does not believe any of this shit, he just knows that his target audience laps it up and begs for more.

224 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:54:34am

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Informer of the Year: Snow

This post did not get enough love. Well played. Would upding again.

225 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:57:08am

Lebanon is once again caught in the crossfire of the Syrian civil war. A massive car bomb went off in downtown Beirut, and there are reports of significant number of casualties, including the death of a former Lebanese minister who was also a former Lebanese Ambassador to the US.

He was an anti-Assad politician who was affiliated with the March 14 movement headed by Saad Hariri.

Mohammad Chatah, who was a senior aide to former prime minister Saad Hariri, was attending a meeting of senior leaders of the March 14 political party. The party is staunchly opposed to the regime of Bashar Assad in neighboring Syria and critical of Shiite militia and political party Hezbollah inside of Lebanon.

The blast, which targeted Chatah’s convoy, set cars on fire and sent black smoke billowing into the sky above the recently-reconstructed upscale business and zone of Beirut, close to the Intercontinental Phoenica Hotel.

Four others were killed in the explosion, which was heard across the city at 9:40 a.m. local time (2.40 a.m. ET), Lebanese medical sources said.
Chatah’s driver was among the the victims, according to Reuters, citing security sources.

A Reuters witness at the scene said Chatah’s car was “totally destroyed. It is a wreck.”

The army cordoned off the area to prevent people from getting close to the scene, where the twisted wreckage of several cars was still smoldering. The explosion appeared to be the result of the car bomb, but security officials said they had no immediate confirmation.

Hariri heads the main, Western-backed coalition in Lebanon and is engaged in bitter feuding with Hezbollah group, which is allied to Assad, who is embroiled in an increasingly brutal civil war.

Chatah was also a prominent economist and former finance minister. He also served at the IMF and was former vice governor of Banque di Liban.

The culprits remain at large, but among the likely suspects are Hizbullah and other pro-Syrian groups.

226 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:59:09am

Did Dinnerjacket get his own A&E reality show that features executions of Gays? Is that what he has been up to since Rouhani took over?

227 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:01:47am

re: #226 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s just buttmad because Ahmedinejad was living his dream.

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:02:20am

re: #226 Pie-onist Overlord

speaking at Columbia university = having a show on A&E

being suspended from A&E show = censorship

ironclad logic there, guys…

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:03:14am

Were gays executed at Columbia University while libs stood around and clapped?

230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:11:50am

President of a nation with a population of 70 million = patriarch of Duck Dynasty.

logic.

231 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:18:47am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

And last time I checked, quite a few liberals were opposed to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia U just as surely as they oppose Duck Dynasty’s Robertson.

But this has nothing to do with liberalism; it is a question of right and wrong.

Robertson and Ahmadinejad (who really shouldn’t be in the same sentence because of what each actually represents) stand athwart to history. They are from a bygone era where bigotry and hatred dominate.

Ahamdinejad was the elected/chosen leader of a repressive regime in Iran, which just so happens holds many of the same views that Robertson does - a guy from down South who is homophobic and racist. Having the elected leader of a foreign country speak isn’t on the same level as some reality tv show star, although for those who are logic challenged, this seems perfectly acceptable.

And I’ve already spent too much time trying to untangle that mess of pretzel logic.

232 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:29:45am

Was Phil a perverted asshole when he was a khaki shorts-wearin’ yuppy golfer too?

233 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:32:32am

May have already been posted, it’s about 4 days old, but…

Top Ten Things Fox Decided Will Lead To The “Wussification of America” In 2013

I can’t help but think that if everything is the wussification of American, then nothing is the wussification of America.

234 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:35:45am

re: #232 GlutenFreeJesus

Was Phil a perverted asshole when he was a khaki shorts-wearin’ yuppy golfer too?

I’d say he’s always felt this way on some level, but back then he felt pressure to conform to ‘non-traditional’ mores and so he kept it to himself. Having more money and power, plus the rampant visibility of the wingnuts in recent years has given him the confidence to be who he really wants to be.

235 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:35:55am

re: #233 geoffm33

May have already been posted, it’s about 4 days old, but…

Top Ten Things Fox Decided Will Lead To The “Wussification of America” In 2013

I can’t help but think that if everything is the wussification of American, then nothing is the wussification of America.

Mentioned already: those people who have no idea what it really means to be a man in modern society tend to cling to the trappings and symbols that have come to be associated with accepted views of “manhood”: guns, beards, flag lapel pins, trucks, misogyny, etc.

236 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:37:35am

My surprise, let me show you it.

237 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:37:51am

re: #233 geoffm33

When everyone is special, then no one is. /Syndrome

238 JDRhoades  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:38:49am

re: #231 lawhawk

And last time I checked, quite a few liberals were opposed to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia U just as surely as they oppose Duck Dynasty’s Robertson.

Well, it’s like Muslims who deplored 9/11: unless you can name them all, it never happened, as far as the wingnuts are concerned.

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:42:25am

Good morning Lizards. Sunny and a bit chilly in Philadelphia. Had breakfast with the relatives before they headed back north. Here at work with 2nd cup of coffee and documentation to type up.

A fun holiday. Low-key, but good time spent with relatives eating food, drinking, playing games, and talking. The felines got over-stimulated since there were always people about willing to provide entertainment*.

Work today, and then a weekend to gets things back in order for the regular grind to resume.

* - Felines supplied a new wand-and-feather toy to the staff from “Santa Claws”.

(Eggnog. Must have more eggnog!) O_O

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:42:47am

re: #238 JDRhoades

And last time I checked, quite a few liberals were opposed to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia U just as surely as they oppose Duck Dynasty’s Robertson.

Well, it’s like Muslims who deplored 9/11: unless you can name them all, it never happened, as far as the wingnuts are concerned.

Reminds me of a joke involving an educated black man trying to pass a voting test in the Jim-Crow South:

First question: What was the greatest civilian maritime disaster in history?

-“The sinking of the Titanic”, he replies.

How many people were killed?

“1,513,” he replies.

The registrar thinks a moment and then asks: “Name them!”

241 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:45:29am

re: #233 geoffm33

May have already been posted, it’s about 4 days old, but…

Top Ten Things Fox Decided Will Lead To The “Wussification of America” In 2013

I can’t help but think that if everything is the wussification of American, then nothing is the wussification of America.

7. Paid Internships

On the May 18 edition of Fox & Friends Saturday, co-host Clayton Morris hosted author Ron Perlin to discuss internships and the “culture of unpaid work.” Morris asked if interns deserve money for their work, or if this demonstrates an “entitlement generation” and the “wussification of America.” [Fox News, Fox & Friends Saturday, 5/18/13]

Fun Fact: The idea that unpaid internships have become a problem has been supported in print by such ‘wusses’ as Mark Steyn and Kevin W. Williamson.

When you say something supported by National Review is ‘wussifing’, you might be a wingnut.

242 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:48:50am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Fun Fact: The idea that unpaid internships have become a problem has been supported in print by such ‘wusses’ as Mark Steyn and Kevin W. Williamson.

When you say something supported by National Review is ‘wussifing’, >you might be a wingnut.

I thought “paid internship” meant that the intern PAYS for the privilege of working. (Yes it is a thing)

243 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:52:31am

Germany has a regular system of paid internships, the companies get tax breaks, but the intership is accompanied by a course of studies and monitored externally.

244 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:57:01am

re: #242 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought “paid internship” meant that the intern PAYS for the privilege of working. (Yes it is a thing)

In the case in question, “paid internship” meant the intern is paid. Steyn actually decried your example even more (sorry but I’m too close to my NYT limit for the month to click the link) as he feels that such internships limit who can ultimately get a paying job in certain fields to the top half of the middle class and the upper class. Thus such employment practices destroy social mobility, which has historically been a powerful conservative argument against redistributionism.

Note: I still think Mark Steyn is an ass who sometimes has catered to racists, but he is correct on the matter of unpaid internships in that they exploitative and socially destructive.

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:57:38am

WTFITS

246 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:57:44am

re: #243 Sol Berdinowitz

Germany has a regular system of paid internships, the companies get tax breaks, but the intership is accompanied by a course of studies and monitored externally.

That would never go over in the US—too “Euro-Socialist”.

247 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 6:59:12am

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

The War on Christmas never ends.

248 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:00:02am

“War On Christmas, Christians & Christianity!!11!!!!TY” = not being allowed to harass sick & wounded soldiers who might not be in the mood to listen to a Jesus pep talk.

249 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:03:29am

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes, I’m sure that Lenin had a list of approved carols; I’ve heard he was particularly fond of “The Little Drummer Boy.”

250 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:03:42am

There’s a script for a horror movie in here somewhere.

251 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:03:52am

My opinion of National Geographic continues to go down.

The association with Murdoch (he co-owns the NatGeo branded television network) is affecting other content, I believe.

252 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:06:26am
253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:06:45am

I have been informed that this is my husband’s truck in this news story from Michigan!

Utility crews work long hours to restore power in Mid-Michigan

254 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:07:26am

I’m no stock expert, but this is looking more and more like a “social media bubble” to me.

Twitter, Facebook slip, but Intel, IBM lift techs

marketwatch.com

There is no there…esp when there is no profit history. That would be the biggest pwn in stock market history, too.

255 Weet  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:07:43am

So ‘committed to the concept of life’ that they want to keep dead people alive. Frankenstein-style.

“Relatives of a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy were debating whether to accept the aid of nursing homes and outside groups that have proposed moving the child so she can be kept on life support, a family lawyer said Thursday.

A religious group that has a facility in New York is among the organizations that have offered to care for Jahi McGrath, said the lawyer, Christopher Dolan. He declined to identify those making the offers but described them as “people who are firmly committed to the concept of life.”“

Who Needs a Brain

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:07:53am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have been informed that this is my husband’s truck in this news story from Michigan!

Utility crews work long hours to restore power in Mid-Michigan

YAYY! Thanks Farmer!

257 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:11:29am

re: #250 darthstar

There’s a script for a horror movie in here somewhere.

Snailnado!

258 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:11:30am
259 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:11:40am

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

I was commenting on this just yesterday. Twitter, which has no history of profits, is now valued at more than $40 billion and it’s trading above $70. The IPO price was $26 and it opened at about $46.

There was crazy coin to be made on the stock, even though it hasn’t gotten into the black yet.

Facebook is in somewhat better territory financially. They’re making money on ad revenues and have monetized mobile devices faster than expected, after not having any revenue coming from that source.

Don’t think it’s quite a bubble, but the social media companies need to get back to fundamentals.

Others having issues include Groupon, which is also losing money at a prodigious rate.

260 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:11:48am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi

Snailnado!

That was my thought too.

261 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:12:17am

re: #250 darthstar

There’s a script for a horror movie in here somewhere.

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SHUT UP.
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262 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:13:36am

If Twitter started showing spam ads that could not be blocked, I would probably stop using Twitter.

263 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:13:41am

re: #259 lawhawk

It’s like it’s 1998 all over again!

264 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:14:13am

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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“Communist Vietnam.” Because things were so much better under the French. Or something.

265 JDRhoades  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:14:42am

re: #255 Weet

“Relatives of a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy were debating whether to accept the aid of nursing homes and outside groups that have proposed moving the child so she can be kept on life support, a family lawyer said Thursday.

One wonders if one of those “outside groups” is the surgeon’s malpractice carrier.

I mean, c’,mon, brain dead after a tonsillectomy?!

266 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:16:34am

re: #265 JDRhoades

“Relatives of a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy were debating whether to accept the aid of nursing homes and outside groups that have proposed moving the child so she can be kept on life support, a family lawyer said Thursday.

One wonders if one of those “outside groups” is the surgeon’s malpractice carrier.

I mean, c’,mon, brain dead after a tonsillectomy?!

I read a Robin Cook novel many years ago, about otherwise healthy people who became brain-dead after routine procedures, who were then moved to a nursing home where they were kept on life support until their organs were purchased…

267 JDRhoades  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:17:39am

re: #248 Pie-onist Overlord

Wounded Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and Jehovah’s Witnesses can just STFU and suck it up.

268 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:19:01am

The hospital said the decision was to protect patients of other faiths. “Military service veterans, male and female, represent people of all faiths,” hospital spokesman Brian Rothwell said in a statement. “It is out of respect for every faith that The Veterans …

269 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:19:52am
270 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:19:58am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi

Snailnado!

When Death Comes a Creeping. (Very Very Slowly)


RBS

271 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:20:27am
Principal Funsch said his students, on principle, decided not to comply with the government-approved list of Christmas carols and they cancelled their concert.

“From our point of view, the purpose of Christmas and its carols is to celebrate and honor the birth of Jesus, and if that goal is taken from us, it is an issue we do not want to be a part of,” he told the newspaper. “We do not think it is a good idea to systemically weed out religious Christmas songs from being sung in certain places.”

Taking their ball, and going home.

272 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:21:38am

re: #269 darthstar

When we get to Talking Dancing With The Real Housewives of Duck Dynasty - then we’ll know reality TV has gone just one step too far.

273 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:22:37am

re: #270 RealityBasedSteve

When Death Comes a Creeping. (Very Very Slowly)

RBS

My favorite scene is when the townfolk come together and build a wall out of salt-licks and just when they appear to be safe, it rains.

274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:23:37am

Shell Hell!!!

275 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:23:54am

re: #268 Gus

Just get Phil in there - he’ll convert them.

276 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:24:53am

re: #275 freetoken

Just get Phil in there - he’ll convert them.

Eye make-up tips optional. //

277 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:25:02am

re: #201 Sol Berdinowitz

Russia was also sexually puritanical under the Soviet regime, and now that the Orthodox Church is re-ascendant under Putin, they have perpetuated a very homophobic and patriarchal view of society and sexuality.

And then there is the example of fundamentalist Hindu India, which is notorious for its disregard of women and gays.

In the end, it has little to do with the religion itself, it has a lot more to do with the degree of social backwardness.

And a specific segment of society getting and keeping power.

278 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:25:12am

re: #267 JDRhoades

Wounded Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and Jehovah’s Witnesses can just STFU and suck it up.

A wounded Muslim given a chance to convert and if he doesn’t he should be stripped of his benefits and cast out to die without even a pair of bootstraps to pull himself up with. If he’s allowed to recover he’ll become part of the Stealth Jihad and will try to impose Sharia Law on Real America.

- Bryan Fischer

In reality Fischer hasn’t said that, but he’s getting close.

279 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:27:05am

Oh brother. O.o

280 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:28:24am

re: #279 Gus

Shaking a tree will bring all sorts of things falling down to the ground.

281 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:29:52am

re: #280 freetoken

Shaking a tree will bring all sorts of things falling down to the ground.

I’ll say. Whew. Think I’ll ignore that one. Get the feeling I can’t talk any sense to him or her.

282 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:30:49am

re: #269 darthstar

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Phil Robertson has already been quoted as saying he thought his grandkids were becoming “yuppies”.

“I am your patriarch and control the purse strings and don’t you forget it.”

283 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:30:58am

A metaphor for our tweeting age:

Completely Transparent House in Japan Lets Everyone See Exactly What’s Going On

284 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:31:27am

re: #265 JDRhoades

“Relatives of a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy were debating whether to accept the aid of nursing homes and outside groups that have proposed moving the child so she can be kept on life support, a family lawyer said Thursday.

One wonders if one of those “outside groups” is the surgeon’s malpractice carrier.

I mean, c’,mon, brain dead after a tonsillectomy?!

Well, what do you call a person that graduated dead last in class in grade point average from medical school?

Doctor.

285 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:32:31am

re: #284 Eventual Carrion

Well, what do you call a person that graduated dead last in class in grade point average from medical school?

Doctor.

Don’t rag on the profession, it should remind us that even operations we take as entirely routine are not always as simple as they seem.

286 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:33:00am

Help me.

[The Fly Voice - original]

287 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:33:11am

re: #283 freetoken

A metaphor for our tweeting age:

Completely Transparent House in Japan Lets Everyone See Exactly What’s Going On

And just as boring.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:33:24am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

I read a Robin Cook novel many years ago, about otherwise healthy people who became brain-dead after routine procedures, who were then moved to a nursing home where they were kept on life support until their organs were purchased…

That would be _Coma_ from 1977. Crichton did a screenplay from that which was made into a movie in 1978 starring Genevieve Bujold. Crichton also directed the film.

en.wikipedia.org

289 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:36:09am

re: #257 wheat-dogghazi

Snailnado!

It’s been done. Kinda.

290 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:36:38am

I think I’ve found the ultimate in reaching for dissatisfaction over on FR. You know the cute commercial Apple did, kid appearing to be anti-social on his phone at family Christmas gathering, actually making an on-the-spot movie for them as a gift. Nice little ad.

Youtube Video

Of course somebody over on FR had to find some way to totally get offended by it and read WAY more into it than was there.

To: Excellence
I use Apple products, but the ad has very little to do with Christmas and has no reference to the birth of Jesus.

Furthermore, the family depicted looks to liberal.

Notice that they are driving a Subaru, a car almost exclusively driven by liberals.

Notice the father and the kid with the iPhone. Dad is bearded and looks like a liberal and the kid has bushy hair.

Finally, written in the snow is not “Merry Christmas” but rather “A Harris Family Holiday”

Even in closing, it says “Happy Holidays” on the screen and not “Merry Christmas.”

16 posted on 12/25/2013 11:47:51 AM by Oliviaforever

Worst part… that person WAS dead serious.

RBS

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:36:42am

HURR HURR!!!1!!!TY

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:38:42am

re: #290 RealityBasedSteve

I think I’ve found the ultimate in reaching for dissatisfaction over on FR. You know the cute commercial Apple did, kid appearing to be anti-social on his phone at family Christmas gathering, actually making an on-the-spot movie for them as a gift. Nice little ad.

[Embedded content]

Of course somebody over on FR had to find some way to totally get offended by it and read WAY more into it than was there.

Worst part… that person WAS dead serious.

RBS

The Underlying Message of Every Christmas Ad For Every Product Ever:

BUY THIS!!!!!!

293 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:39:04am

re: #291 Pie-onist Overlord

Yes, Dim Jim is fully embracing and following the WND inspired lurch to the galactic-scale-hypocritical racial grievance industry.

294 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:39:22am

re: #279 Gus

Oh brother. O.o

What you resist, you become.

295 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:39:51am

re: #290 RealityBasedSteve

I think I’ve found the ultimate in reaching for dissatisfaction over on FR. You know the cute commercial Apple did, kid appearing to be anti-social on his phone at family Christmas gathering, actually making an on-the-spot movie for them as a gift. Nice little ad.

[Embedded content]

Of course somebody over on FR had to find some way to totally get offended by it and read WAY more into it than was there.

Worst part… that person WAS dead serious.

RBS

Dad is bearded! OMG! Beards indicate political persuasions! You know. Like Phil Robertson and his beard!

296 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:40:12am
297 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:40:44am
298 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:41:06am

re: #265 JDRhoades

“Relatives of a 13-year-old girl who was declared brain dead after complications from a tonsillectomy were debating whether to accept the aid of nursing homes and outside groups that have proposed moving the child so she can be kept on life support, a family lawyer said Thursday.

One wonders if one of those “outside groups” is the surgeon’s malpractice carrier.

I mean, c’,mon, brain dead after a tonsillectomy?!

There was a bit more to this. Apparently the girl suffered from Sleep Apnea, and this was being done to try and remedy the problems. From some sources I’ve read she was also obese, possibly morbidly so. (which would also square with the sleep apnea) I don’t think it was a blotched surgery as such, but complications afterwards.

All surgery carries some risks, I’m not so quick to blame the staff until more info is available. Because of HIPPA requirements the hospital is very very limited in what information they can make available.

In any case, it is a horrible thing.

RBS

299 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:42:08am

re: #293 freetoken

Yes, Dim Jim is fully embracing and following the WND inspired lurch to the galactic-scale-hypocritical racial grievance industry.

Thing Jim Hoft ignores: Given the history of some parts of Texas, slugging an elderly black man in the head might well have been written off as a case of ‘sowing wild oats’ if the DoJ hadn’t acted.

Dim Jim also failed to even make passing mention of the fact that slugging said elderly man in the head was a bad thing.

300 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:42:57am

re: #297 Pie-onist Overlord

But those people living in trees are cool because they are self-reliant and have pet falcons!
;p

301 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:43:49am

re: #285 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t rag on the profession, it should remind us that even operations we take as entirely routine are not always as simple as they seem.

Oh, I’m going to rag on the profession idiots. My wife is still fighting to keep her right foot because 5, count them, 5 fucknut doctors missed the diagnosis during a month long hell for her. It took 45 minutes for 2 good doctors to diagnose the problem at the Cleveland Clinic and start successful treatment for what was the real cause. But it might have been too late, we will see. Those other doctors were fucking egotistical idiots that wouldn’t believe that they had made the wrong diagnosis. And I have seen my fair share of doctors (both bad and good) in my life as I had 2 open heart surgeries before I was 12 years of age and have been seeing doctors (good and bad) ever since. Plus 16 years of working for a LARGE hospital system has put me in close contact with geniuses and fucking morons in the medical profession.

302 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:43:57am

Enough of reading about crazy people. I’m off to Pandora.

Later, lizards. Merry Christmas.

303 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:45:53am
304 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:47:03am

re: #295 Gus

Dad is bearded! OMG! Beards indicate political persuasions! You know. Like Phil Robertson and his beard!

Oh you know if somebody who looked like Phil was in any other position, he would be immediately be dismissed by the RWNJs as “Longhaired OWS Type, Dope Smoking Degenerate Hippy”. Of course we know that look is manufactured for the show, he has, I believe, a Masters in Education from a REAL college.

I know a few folks like him here in Tennessee. They love to play the “Slow Good Old Boy”, but have a mind like a steel trap and an encyclopedic knowledge of what they are talking about. Asked one of them one time about it, he said, “being underestimated has made me a lot of money over the years.”

RBS

305 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:48:05am

re: #301 Eventual Carrion

Oh, I’m going to rag on the profession idiots. My wife is still fighting to keep her right foot because 5, count them, 5 fucknut doctors missed the diagnosis during a month long hell for her. It took 45 minutes for 2 good doctors to diagnose the problem at the Cleveland Clinic and start successful treatment for what was the real cause. But it might have been too late, we will see. Those other doctors were fucking egotistical idiots that wouldn’t believe that they had made the wrong diagnosis. And I have seen my fair share of doctors (both bad and good) in my life as I had 2 open heart surgeries before I was 12 years of age and have been seeing doctors (good and bad) ever since. Plus 16 years of working for a LARGE hospital system has put me in close contact with geniuses and fucking morons in the medical profession.

A good doctor knows when he doesn’t know the answer, and is willing to figure out what is wrong.

But there are way too many doctors who think that they are all knowing and are infallible.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:48:13am

re: #302 Romantic Heretic

Enough of reading about crazy people. I’m off to Pandora.

Later, lizards. Merry Christmas.

My brother, niece and I had a bet the other day. I hadn’t used Pandora ever and was tasked with picking a “genre” by naming an artist and the pool was the an over/under on how soon Pandora would pick a song not featuring that artist.

I won by picking Mark Knopler. It wasn’t until the 11th song that something by Sting was played. Everything before that was Knopler solo material, Dire Straits, or him doing guitar work with a female vocalist (EmmyLou Harris or Alison Kraus).

307 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:49:46am

re: #304 RealityBasedSteve

Oh you know if somebody who looked like Phil was in any other position, he would be immediately be dismissed by the RWNJs as “Longhaired OWS Type, Dope Smoking Degenerate Hippy”. Of course we know that look is manufactured for the show, he has, I believe, a Masters in Education from a REAL college.

I know a few folks like him here in Tennessee. They love to play the “Slow Good Old Boy”, but have a mind like a steel trap and an encyclopedic knowledge of what they are talking about. Asked one of them one time about it, he said, “being underestimated has made me a lot of money over the years.”

RBS

SHAVE THAT MARXIST BEARD! GET A HAIRCUT HIPPIE! YOU LOOK LIKE A HOBO.

308 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:50:09am

re: #303 Pie-onist Overlord

And all those objects highlighted are arguably not the most important things, which are either hidden or non-localized:

1) the sewer system under that road;
2) the fresh water system under that road;
3) the law enforcement that helps make all the driving on that road safer;
4) the sanitation work done to keep that sidewalk clean;

and so on…

309 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:50:31am

re: #303 Pie-onist Overlord

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Makes perfect sense. There’s only one callout missing on that picture, and that’s the one that says “MEDICARE”, and pointing at probably every one of the protesters.

RBS

310 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:50:41am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

It’s easier to catalog the things that Hoft gets right than to get in to all that he gets wrong, misinterprets, misstates, mischaracterizes, or otherwise propagandizes.

Here’s the list:
1.

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:51:39am

re: #303 Pie-onist Overlord

Heh. That would be an interesting facet. Set the military to foraging and being housed in civilian homes. Sounds like the sort of thing that could trigger a revolution.
///

312 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:52:23am

re: #308 freetoken


And all the safety regulations to make sure that power systems are reliable, road markings are consistent for interstate commerce, vehicles conform to certain safety standards, the motor fuels used are consistent and do not contain certain emissions, etc.

313 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:54:04am

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

My brother, niece and I had a bet the other day. I hadn’t used Pandora ever and was tasked with picking a “genre” by naming an artist and the pool was the an over/under on how soon Pandora would pick a song not featuring that artist.

I won by picking Mark Knopler. It wasn’t until the 11th song that something by Sting was played. Everything before that was Knopler solo material, Dire Straits, or him doing guitar work with a female vocalist (EmmyLou Harris or Alison Kraus).

Sting sang backup to “Money for Nothing”. So there was a connection.

314 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:55:08am

Apple runs ad with hipster beardo dad driving Subaru. Shocking.

315 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:56:59am

re: #314 Gus

Apple runs ad with hipster beardo dad driving Subaru. Shocking.

And the son had “curly hair”. That’s that part that had me gob-smacked. I mean WTF?

RBS

316 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:57:41am

re: #312 lawhawk

And all the safety regulations to make sure that power systems are reliable, road markings are consistent for interstate commerce, vehicles conform to certain safety standards, the motor fuels used are consistent and do not contain certain emissions, etc.

To be fair, said wingnuts would be against those last two points, and the ‘certain emissions’ point has been badly abused via the ethanol mandate.

317 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:57:58am

re: #315 RealityBasedSteve

And the son had “curly hair”. That’s that part that had me gob-smacked. I mean WTF?

RBS

CURLY HAIR! HAS ANYONE SEEN HIS MOTHER! IS SHE, BLACK?????!?!?!?!?!?!

318 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:59:13am

re: #308 freetoken

And all those objects highlighted are arguably not the most important things, which are either hidden or non-localized:

1) the sewer system under that road;
2) the fresh water system under that road;
3) the law enforcement that helps make all the driving on that road safer;
4) the sanitation work done to keep that sidewalk clean;

and so on…

HURR HURR PRIVATIZE IT ALL!!!111 FREE MARKET!!!!!11!!!!

319 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 7:59:24am

I wonder if Phil and his gang have ever realized they ought to embrace the idea of “semen familiarity”?

Darwin’s Morning After Pill: How Couples Who Want Children Can Increase Their Chances

Sounds like something their paternalistic God would create.

320 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:00:22am

“Subarus almost exclusively driven by Liberals”. O_o

That implies that conservatives pay no attention to things like gas mileage, safety ratings, and actual vehicle needs when purchasing a car. Almost like the decision is only whatever strokes the ego the most regardless of cost and actual utility.

Never mind.
//

321 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:02:52am

re: #308 freetoken

And all those objects highlighted are arguably not the most important things, which are either hidden or non-localized:

1) the sewer system under that road;
2) the fresh water system under that road;
3) the law enforcement that helps make all the driving on that road safer;
4) the sanitation work done to keep that sidewalk clean;

and so on…

The EPA that makes sure the hot air they are spouting was breathable when it went in…

322 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:03:04am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

“Subarus almost exclusively driven by Liberals”. O_o

That implies that conservatives pay no attention to things like gas mileage, safety ratings, and actual vehicle needs when purchasing a car. Almost like the decision is only whatever strokes the ego the most regardless of cost and actual utility.

Never mind.
//

Well, to some people its also that Subarus are foreign-made.

And let’s not forget that rage against certain cars or fondness for other types is not only to be found on the right. The DERPy anger sometimes directed at SUV owners from the left is another example of this phenomenon.

323 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:03:45am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

“Subarus almost exclusively driven by Liberals”. O_o

That implies that conservatives pay no attention to things like gas mileage, safety ratings, and actual vehicle needs when purchasing a car. Almost like the decision is only whatever strokes the ego the most regardless of cost and actual utility.

Never mind.
//

To those whose concept of Manhood is based entirely on symbols, the size of one’s truck definitely matters…

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:03:52am

re: #313 Eventual Carrion

Sting sang backup to “Money for Nothing”. So there was a connection.

True. But Knopler was not playing on the song in question.

The second challenge was picking a modern/pop artist “genre” that did not play a Police or solo Sting song in the first ten.

325 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:06:48am

re: #324 Feline Fearless Leader

True. But Knopler was not playing on the song in question.

The second challenge was picking a modern/pop artist “genre” that did not play a Police or solo Sting song in the first ten.

Sting is like SuperChicken…

He’s Everywhere! He’s Everywhere!!!

RBS

326 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:06:57am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Well, to some people its also that Subarus are foreign-made.

And let’s not forget that rage against certain cars or fondness for other types is not only to be found on the right. The DERPy anger sometimes directed at SUV owners from the left is another example of this phenomenon.

That’s because all the Tahoe & Expedition drivers around here are raving RWNJs.

I read the bumper stickers.

327 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:08:30am

re: #263 Internet Tough Guy

It’s like it’s 1998 all over again!

Y2K!

328 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:08:43am

I’ve joked about the Subaru phenomenon before but I don’t take it THAT seriously. Sure, most are liberals but they’re all different PEOPLE. My neighbor has one. Rosary beads hanging on the rearview mirror. I’ve seen him make the sign of the cross before.

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:09:05am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Well, to some people its also that Subarus are foreign-made.

And let’s not forget that rage against certain cars or fondness for other types is not only to be found on the right. The DERPy anger sometimes directed at SUV owners from the left is another example of this phenomenon.

My dislike for large SUVs is three-fold:
1. I see them overaggressively driven more than any other car. (With Ford F-250s a close second.)

2. Especially with polarized windows I hate being behind them since I cannot see around (or through) them to gauge traffic the way I like. I don’t watch the car ahead of me as much on the highway as watching what is 200-300 yards down the road. And all too often I anticipate and react to things before the car ahead of me does.

3. I see a lot of places where the large SUV is not needed*. It might be that the family had need for one - but one person just going to get four bags of groceries doesn’t need it. Waste of gasoline.

* - I knew one woman in Pittsburgh who owned one mainly in order to be sitting up higher and being able to see better. I also think she felt safer being in the large metal box on the highway rather than a smaller one.

330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:09:58am

re: #325 RealityBasedSteve

Sting is like SuperChicken…

[Embedded image]

>He’s Everywhere! He’s Everywhere!!!

RBS

Chicken Man is everywhere, eveywhere, not Super Chicken! He is the one you call when you find yourself in danger, threatened by a stranger and about to take a lickin’…

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:10:12am

re: #328 Gus

I’ve joked about the Subaru phenomenon before but I don’t take it THAT seriously. Sure, most are liberals but they’re all different PEOPLE. My neighbor has one. Rosary beads hanging on the rearview mirror. I’ve seen him make the sign of the cross before.

If you dodge past a green one on I-95 near Philly and it has a FSM sticker on the back - that’s me.
:)

332 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:11:01am

How’s that “Rebranding” working out for ya, GOP?

333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:11:41am

re: #329 Feline Fearless Leader

SUV’s are not “cars” by definition, and therefore not subject to EPA average mileage requirements. Car companies stopped producing station wagon models and switched over to SUV’s, which then became the standard mom-mobile of the soccer generation…

334 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:12:48am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

SUV’s are not “cars” by definition, and therefore not subject to EPA average mileage requirements. Car companies stopped producing station wagon models and switched over to SUV’s, which then became the standard mom-mobile of the soccer generation…

Were the mini-vans the transitional stage? Or is the former need for the station wagon now split between mini-van and SUV?

335 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:12:49am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

How’s that “Rebranding” working out for ya, GOP?

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Is this a GOP-sponsored site?

336 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:12:52am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Well, to some people its also that Subarus are foreign-made.

And let’s not forget that rage against certain cars or fondness for other types is not only to be found on the right. The DERPy anger sometimes directed at SUV owners from the left is another example of this phenomenon.

Most ‘American’ cars are majority foreign.
XD

337 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:14:28am

re: #335 Sol Berdinowitz

Is this a GOP-sponsored site?

Sure ain’t a Democrat site.

338 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:14:36am

I plan to horde:

Let the hoarding of 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs begin

Come January I will likely buy what I’ll need for the next couple of years.

339 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:14:44am

re: #329 Feline Fearless Leader

- I knew one woman in Pittsburgh who owned one mainly in order to be sitting up higher and being able to see better. I also think she felt safer being in the large metal box on the highway rather than a smaller one.

The height thing can definitely be an issue, especially with so many other SUVs, minivans, etc. on the road. When I switched from minivan to sedan, I definitely noticed a difference, but it didn’t bother me. But that doesn’t require an SUV. The minivan or cross-over will give the same height advantage and better gas mileage.

340 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:17:37am

Anderson Cooper mentioned oral sex and now Ben Shapiro and Matt Barber have TEH VAPORS.

341 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:17:56am

re: #336 Varek Raith

Good luck trying to guess which cars are American made. Badges don’t matter.

You can have Toyotas made with US parts and assembled in the US.
You can have Chevy’s made with Canadian parts and assembled in Canada.

This sheds a bit of light on just where the cars are made (and that lumps US and Canadian production into one grouping).

And made in the USA for vehicle production means a car has at least 75% parts by value made in the US or Canada.

342 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:18:32am

re: #340 Pie-onist Overlord

Anderson Cooper mentioned oral sex and now Ben Shapiro and Matt Barber have TEH VAPORS.

Lol.

343 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:19:04am

re: #336 Varek Raith

Most ‘American’ cars are majority foreign.
XD

I never bought that screed about foreign vs American cars. Even back in the early 80s when Iacocca was saving Chrysler using it. (Mainly because we had a small Dodge/Chrysler pick-up truck in that time period - with a nice fat “Made by Mitsubishi” sticker on it.)

The main challenge was the US automakers were getting their asses kicked in terms of quality control and making cars that fit a changing market demand. They eventually did start catching up in those regards. But choosing a lower quality product for the same price point simply to help out a large American corporation from avoiding something it should be doing? No.

I support “buying local” for various economic and environmental reasons. But that effect starts to pale a bit when you try to extend “local” to apply to the entire North American continent.

344 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:19:15am

re: #341 lawhawk

Good luck trying to guess which cars are American made. Badges don’t matter.

You can have Toyotas made with US parts and assembled in the US.
You can have Chevy’s made with Canadian parts and assembled in Canada.

This sheds a bit of light on just where the cars are made (and that lumps US and Canadian production into one grouping).

And made in the USA for vehicle production means a car has at least 75% parts by value made in the US or Canada.

OUTRAGE!

345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:19:57am

re: #337 Pie-onist Overlord

Sure ain’t a Democrat site.

I mean officially sponsored and affiliated by the GOP and not just one they don’t have the nerve to distance themselves from for making it sound like the GOP is populated exclusively by bigoted idiots because they are afraid of being shouted down at the next town hall meeting??

346 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:20:46am

re: #345 Sol Berdinowitz

I mean officially sponsored and affiliated by the GOP and not just one they don’t have the nerve to distance themselves from for making it sound like the GOP is populated exclusively by bigoted idiots because they are afraid of being shouted down at the next town hall meeting??

LOL good luck with that, that is their VOTER BASE.

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:20:55am

re: #339 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The height thing can definitely be an issue, especially with so many other SUVs, minivans, etc. on the road. When I switched from minivan to sedan, I definitely noticed a difference, but it didn’t bother me. But that doesn’t require an SUV. The minivan or cross-over will give the same height advantage and better gas mileage.

It is something to take into account in western Pennsylvania. Hilly and lots of little dips. I got a noticeable increase in seeing over small dips just gaining 3-4” in height switching from a Saturn to a Subaru Forester.

348 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:20:58am

re: #329 Feline Fearless Leader

My dislike for large SUVs is three-fold:
1. I see them overaggressively driven more than any other car. (With Ford F-250s a close second.)

2. Especially with polarized windows I hate being behind them since I cannot see around (or through) them to gauge traffic the way I like. I don’t watch the car ahead of me as much on the highway as watching what is 200-300 yards down the road. And all too often I anticipate and react to things before the car ahead of me does.

3. I see a lot of places where the large SUV is not needed*. It might be that the family had need for one - but one person just going to get four bags of groceries doesn’t need it. Waste of gasoline.

* - I knew one woman in Pittsburgh who owned one mainly in order to be sitting up higher and being able to see better. I also think she felt safer being in the large metal box on the highway rather than a smaller one.

And that’s OK when to say when you make an intelligent argument and then listen to the replies. But people like you and I are outnumbered by people who just want to shout slogans like “Hippy Car!” or “Gas Guzzler!” Lots of people don’t want to think about car preferences, they just want to vent their anger and butthurt.

For the record: My dad drives an SUV. He’s a tall man (6’3”) who for health reasons finds it much easier to get into and out of an SUV than a normal car.

349 Ryan King  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:21:48am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

How’s that “Rebranding” working out for ya, GOP?

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That dude is a major tool. He has over 2000 videos on YouTube and a 47 page ‘book’ on Amazon. Of course, highly reviewed for ‘telling the truth none of us want to hear.’

350 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:23:06am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

SUV’s are not “cars” by definition, and therefore not subject to EPA average mileage requirements. Car companies stopped producing station wagon models and switched over to SUV’s, which then became the standard mom-mobile of the soccer generation…

I always liked station wagons. Over the years I have had a few. GM impala wagon, Town and Country wagon (grandpa’s favorite wagon for his service station repair calls), Buick Century wagon, and the last I owned was a Saturn SW2 wagon (smaller but still able to get a lot of cargo in the back). It was too bad companies got away from that style of vehicle.

351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:23:46am

re: #346 Pie-onist Overlord

LOL good luck with that, that is their VOTER BASE.

And that is their quandry: they used to work well with merely dogwhistling to the extreme right while still maintaining a more moderate profile to attract other voters.

But ever since the Tea party started feeling its oats, they keep getting more upfront about it and demanding more attention and deference from the GOP establishment, and wind up with a Todd Aikin to distance themselves from…

352 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:23:47am

re: #349 Ryan King

That dude is a major tool. He has over 2000 videos on YouTube and a 47 page ‘book’ on Amazon. Of course, highly reviewed for ‘telling the truth none of us want to hear.’

You for sure that is a guy not a gal?

353 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:24:03am

re: #349 Ryan King

That dude is a major tool. He has over 2000 videos on YouTube and a 47 page ‘book’ on Amazon. Of course, highly reviewed for ‘telling the truth none of us want to hear.’

So is it GG’s old Twitter account?

354 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:24:13am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

And that’s OK when to say when you make an intelligent argument and then listen to the replies. But people like you and I are outnumbered by people who just want to shout slogans like “Hippy Car!” or “Gas Guzzler!” Lots of people don’t want to think about car preferences, they just want to vent their anger and butthurt.

For the record: My dad drives an SUV. He’s a tall man (6’3”) who for health reasons finds it much easier to get into and out of an SUV than a normal car.

One reason I switched from a compact (Saturn) to a small SUV (Subaru Forester) was that it was to get in and out of when my knees were sore. Other reasons was wanting better cargo capacity; e.g. carrying bikes, 2x4s, etc. on occassion. All-wheel drive for the snowy sloped driveway and entry street in winter. And having a slightly higher view as mentioned.

355 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:24:33am

If your Ford F-150 bed is not scratched up and worn you’re doing it wrong. //

356 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:25:18am

re: #355 Gus

If your Ford F-150 bed is not scratched up and worn you’re doing it wrong. //

There’s a bedliner for that.

357 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:26:50am

re: #350 Eventual Carrion

I always liked station wagons. Over the years I have had a few. GM impala wagon, Town and Country wagon (grandpa’s favorite wagon for his service station repair calls), Buick Century wagon, and the last I owned was a Saturn SW2 wagon (smaller but still able to get a lot of cargo in the back). It was too bad companies got away from that style of vehicle.

I’ve had 2 station wagons. One was the one of the very first cars I owned, a Dodge Monaco Estate Wagon, picked it up at a GSA Auction, it was that horrible vomitus pea-green color they used back then. Like driving a tank, and I could probably carry 4x8 sheet of plywood with the seats down. The other was a Ford Escort Wagon, not really worthy of the name, more like a super duper hatchback.

RBS

358 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:27:17am

Not going to be the end of what I expect to be a steady flow of bad publicity for the ACA:

Vista Workers Told Their U.S. Health Plan Fails Test

The Obama administration has told Vista volunteers and other AmeriCorps workers that their government-provided health coverage does not measure up to the standards of the new health care law, and that they may be subject to financial penalties unless they obtain insurance elsewhere.

The notice has surprised and worried workers in AmeriCorps, the federal community service program that is often described as a domestic version of the Peace Corps.

Mary Strasser, the director of AmeriCorps’ Vista program, described the changes in a bulletin to members on Dec. 16.

The coverage provided by the agency — the AmeriCorps Health Care Benefits Plan — “does not satisfy the individual responsibility requirement of the Affordable Care Act,” which takes effect on Jan. 1, Ms. Strasser said. Accordingly, she said, Vista members may be required to pay a tax penalty if they do not have other coverage and do not receive an exemption.

[…]

359 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:28:36am
Abby Grosslein, a Vista member in New Orleans, said she thought it was strange that the health benefits provided by a federal agency did not meet the standards of a law adopted more than three and a half years ago. “It would be nice if the government waived the penalty because we are a federally funded program,” said Ms. Grosslein, 24, who is completing her third year of service with AmeriCorps. “It’s as if the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.”

Moreover, she said: “The Affordable Care Act has been on the books since 2010. Why are we hearing only now that our health plan is not compliant?”

Thousands of private employers and state and local government agencies have revamped their employee health plans to meet the law’s requirements. But AmeriCorps says that its members are technically not employees, and that it does not have to provide them with the “minimum essential coverage” they need to comply with the individual mandate. “There will be no changes to the AmeriCorps Health Care Benefits Plan,” Ms. Strasser wrote.

INTERNS!!

????

360 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:28:37am

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

There’s a bedliner for that.

And you need a tarp on top of that to hold what you shoot during hunting season. :D

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:28:40am

OK. Since we’re sort of talking car design can someone tell me the actual utility of something like an Avalanche? It’s in a weird quasi-open/covered condition between a pick-up with a large open bed and being fully-enclosed like a SUV. Why would you generally ever want a small open bed that really doesn’t hold much that you couldn’t put in a fully-covered one?

My only presumption is that it’s being sold as some sort of “cool” almost SUV that you can stick your dirt bike in. (Without much explanation of how you get your dirt bike into it sideways.)

362 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:30:33am

re: #359 freetoken

INTERNS!!

????

That is truly a government-grade “one hand doesn’t know what the other hand is doing” fuck-up. That should get the Obama Administration some bad publicity.

363 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:32:55am

re: #359 freetoken

INTERNS!!

????

I think Ms. Grosslein could still be covered under her parents’ insurance? She’s only 24.

364 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:34:28am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. Since we’re sort of talking car design can someone tell me the actual utility of something like an Avalanche? It’s in a weird quasi-open/covered condition between a pick-up with a large open bed and being fully-enclosed like a SUV. Why would you generally ever want a small open bed that really doesn’t hold much that you couldn’t put in a fully-covered one?

My only presumption is that it’s being sold as some sort of “cool” almost SUV that you can stick your dirt bike in. (Without much explanation of how you get your dirt bike into it sideways.)

I assume it fills the same niche as a two-row SUV, except that it’s somewhat easier to get heavier/bulkier gear in and out of the back, if someone can stand in the bed?

365 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:35:11am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

And you need a tarp on top of that to hold what you shoot during hunting season. :D

Deer are generally heavy enough to not need the tarp. Two of us went through a Wendy’s drive-thru near Indiana, PA when we had six dead deer in the back. I think the entire work staff there crowded into the window to take a look.

366 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:36:33am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

OK. Since we’re sort of talking car design can someone tell me the actual utility of something like an Avalanche? It’s in a weird quasi-open/covered condition between a pick-up with a large open bed and being fully-enclosed like a SUV. Why would you generally ever want a small open bed that really doesn’t hold much that you couldn’t put in a fully-covered one?

My only presumption is that it’s being sold as some sort of “cool” almost SUV that you can stick your dirt bike in. (Without much explanation of how you get your dirt bike into it sideways.)

It has no utility. We laugh at those. I could get more into my Saturn SL with the back seats folded down. BTW, I still have that 17 yr old Saturn but it’s getting a little dicey. If I could find a Saturn station wagon, I’d buy it. Why they stopped making those cars is beyond me. I still see a lot of them around.

367 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:41:22am

War on Christmas… European edition ???

Traditional Danish pastries threatened by EU cinnamon ban

368 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:41:57am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

It has no utility. We laugh at those. I could get more into my Saturn SL with the back seats folded down. BTW, I still have that 17 yr old Saturn but it’s getting a little dicey. If I could find a Saturn station wagon, I’d buy it. Why they stopped making those cars is beyond me. I still see a lot of them around.

I really like my little Saturn SW2 wagon. 4 cyl 5-speed manual. Not a big car, but if I needed to haul lumber, a fair size bookcase, etc, the back seats folded down and I could slide them in. Looked real comical with my 10 ft flat aluminium bottom boat strapped to the roof racks (with canoe rail pads as bursa between the car and boat) going fishing.

369 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:42:03am

Wingnut SUV

370 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:42:07am

I remember Subaru importing mini pickups with two plastic seats installed in the bed. They were there simply to get them around import restrictions on pickup trucks, having two seats in the back allwed them to meet the definition of a “car”.

371 Slap  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:42:34am

re: #283 freetoken

LOVE that old Citroen in the garage!

372 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:43:32am

Being promoted by digg:

Fascinating Drone Survival Guide

Everyone needs to keep it handy, just in case.

373 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:44:52am

re: #372 freetoken

Being promoted by digg:

Fascinating Drone Survival Guide

Everyone needs to keep it handy, just in case.

Image: KDYAd-SWI86.jpg

;)

374 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:45:07am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

It has no utility. We laugh at those. I could get more into my Saturn SL with the back seats folded down. BTW, I still have that 17 yr old Saturn but it’s getting a little dicey. If I could find a Saturn station wagon, I’d buy it. Why they stopped making those cars is beyond me. I still see a lot of them around.

GM screwed it up is why. They opted at some point to start running Saturn plants like any other GM plant rather than their pseudo-Japanese high assured quality set-up. Oddly enough, between that and Saturn design features ossifying a bit the car went from a nearly perfect Consumer Report’s rating to a below average one.

I had a 1998(?) Saturn that I liked a lot. By the time I was looking for a car in 2005 I was not going to consider another one since their ratings and reliability of the new ones had dropped that much. So I ended up looking primarily at Subarus and considering a Mazda 626 since I had had a good experience with owning a Mazda 323 before the Saturn.

Oh, and I see that the 2013 Avalanche is the last model year. Discontinued.

375 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:45:57am

ATHEIST MEETING MINUTES:
1:00 PM - “The meeting will now commence.”
1:01 PM - “There are no gods.”
1:02 PM - “Meeting now adjourned.”

//

376 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:46:19am

re: #370 Sol Berdinowitz

I remember Subaru inporting mini pickups with two plastic seats installed in the bed. They were there simply to get them around import restrictions on pickup trucks, having two seats in the back allwed them to meet the definition of a “car”.

I remember that… It was the Sabaru BRAT.

Version shown included owner added options.

RBS

377 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:46:41am

Bwahaha

McDonald’s internal website advises employees that fast food is unhealthy

378 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:47:08am

re: #369 Pie-onist Overlord

First thought:
Ticket for obstructed view.
Second thought:
Someone’s making crazy coin on crazy people.

379 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:47:14am

re: #375 Gus

ATHEIST MEETING MINUTES:
1:00 PM - “The meeting will now commence.”
1:01 PM - “There are no gods.”
1:02 PM - “Meeting now adjourned.”

//

YOU FORGOT TO GIVE ME COFFEE!!!

380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:47:32am

re: #375 Gus

ATHEIST MEETING MINUTES:
1:00 PM - “The meeting will now commence.”
1:01 PM - “There are no gods.”
1:02 PM - “Meeting now adjourned.”

//

You forgot about how they then go off to sodomize, bestialize and debauch because that’s what athiests do. Only reason beople behave at all is out of fear of Divine Retribution.

/

381 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:48:32am

re: #373 Varek Raith

Image: KDYAd-SWI86.jpg

;)

Kuat’s AT-STs were as lame a follow-on attempt as the R5. Ewoks were able to destroy those things, for heaven’s sake!

/Stay on Target!

382 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:48:33am

re: #367 freetoken

War on Christmas… European edition ???

Traditional Danish pastries threatened by EU cinnamon ban

Cassia is not a true cinnamon. The cheap-asses in Denmark should bite the bullet and use Ceylon cinnamon.

whfoods.com

383 calochortus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:49:08am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have been informed that this is my husband’s truck in this news story from Michigan!

Utility crews work long hours to restore power in Mid-Michigan

And a lovely truck it is! While I’m nowhere near the affected area, and our power isn’t in any particular danger, I thank your husband for his hard work under undoubtedly lousy conditions, and you for giving up having him home for long periods of time regardless of holidays and other commitments. You folks literally keep the country running.

384 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:49:31am

re: #374 Feline Fearless Leader

GM screwed it up is why. They opted at some point to start running Saturn plants like any other GM plant rather than their pseudo-Japanese high assured quality set-up.

I don’t know much of the details but I think the union contract had something to do with it - Saturn was as much about GM trying to do an end-run around the unions than it was about black-belt six-sigma awesomeness.

385 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:51:01am

re: #377 iossarian

Bwahaha

McDonald’s internal website advises employees that fast food is unhealthy

Mickey D removed that website after much hilarity ensued.

1. Recommended a “budget” that did not include heat, unrealistic “rent” and “healthcare” and advised “2nd job”
2. Suggested selling Christmas gifts on Craigslist
3. Reminded people to tip the pool boy, the caddy and the aupair!
4. Cautioned against eating “fast food.”

386 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:51:26am

re: #374 Feline Fearless Leader

GM screwed it up is why. They opted at some point to start running Saturn plants like any other GM plant rather than their pseudo-Japanese high assured quality set-up. Oddly enough, between that and Saturn design features ossifying a bit the car went from a nearly perfect Consumer Report’s rating to a below average one.

I had a 1998(?) Saturn that I liked a lot. By the time I was looking for a car in 2005 I was not going to consider another one since their ratings and reliability of the new ones had dropped that much. So I ended up looking primarily at Subarus and considering a Mazda 626 since I had had a good experience with owning a Mazda 323 before the Saturn.

Oh, and I see that the 2013 Avalanche is the last model year. Discontinued.

One of the big fall-outs from that was when all the union folk came down from Detroit to Tennessee (where the Saturn was made), they agreed to give up any seniority they had in the system, that they were all starting at day 1 in Saturn. Union was on board with that, since there was going to be a much less adversarial relationship, more of a collaboration with Management. You also got workers that were very loyal to the brand.

When they closed the Saturn line and switched it over to making other GM products, that caused a lot of problems, especially with workers coming into the system from Detroit. Sort of like when two airlines merge and they have to work out pilot seniority.

RBS

387 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:52:41am

re: #379 Varek Raith

YOU FORGOT TO GIVE ME COFFEE!!!

WE STILL HAVEN’T AGREED ON THE T-SHIRT DESIGN!!

388 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:53:18am

re: #384 iossarian

I don’t know much of the details but I think the union contract had something to do with it - Saturn was as much about GM trying to do an end-run around the unions than it was about black-belt six-sigma awesomeness.

But some of that was also some within the UAW’s refusal to even look at more efficient production methods.

The UAW performs an important role, but prior to the bailout it was guilty of some serious reality denial. Since then it’s thinking has improved.

Edited to reflect RBS’s post.

389 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:53:19am

re: #368 Eventual Carrion

I really like my little Saturn SW2 wagon. 4 cyl 5-speed manual. Not a big car, but if I needed to haul lumber, a fair size bookcase, etc, the back seats folded down and I could slide them in. Looked real comical with my 10 ft flat aluminium bottom boat strapped to the roof racks (with canoe rail pads as bursa between the car and boat) going fishing.

: ) I’ve hauled landscaping timbers in mine, along with a number of other long items, lawn funiture, even a chair or two. And it’s not a SW but it is a 5 sp. I imagine I could haul more in one of those SWs. I’ve never driven a car for looks, but more for utility. I really need a truck, but I balk at the gas consumption of most trucks.

390 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:54:55am

Day 15 - Atheist boating techniques. //

391 Good Morning  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:56:02am

Do you really need a hundred dollar noise maker to attract ducks? The ones in the park seem to walk right up to me. Quack Quack.

392 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:57:17am

re: #377 iossarian

Bwahaha

McDonald’s internal website advises employees that fast food is unhealthy

Those are some nasty looking fingernails…

393 gwangung  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:57:57am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Well, to some people its also that Subarus are foreign-made.

And let’s not forget that rage against certain cars or fondness for other types is not only to be found on the right. The DERPy anger sometimes directed at SUV owners from the left is another example of this phenomenon.

I think my anger at SUVs taking up two compact parking slots is ENTIRELY justified.

394 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:58:01am

re: #391 Good Morning

Do you really need a hundred dollar noise maker to attract ducks? The ones in the park seem to walk right up to me. Quack Quack.

Yes, you do. Especially given that you can only shoot ducks while they are in the air. Once they land in the pond, you can’t fire on them.

395 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 8:59:03am

re: #391 Good Morning

Do you really need a hundred dollar noise maker to attract ducks? The ones in the park seem to walk right up to me. Quack Quack.

“Duck Commander” sells them for $180. What, for something some drunk hunter is likely to drop in the field?

These guys can’t be very good if they need to simulate a mating call for ducks.

396 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:00:24am

re: #390 Gus

Day 15 - Atheist boating techniques. //

I move to put this on the recommended reading list:

How to Avoid Huge Ships

397 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:00:35am

re: #393 gwangung

I think my anger at SUVs taking up two compact parking slots is ENTIRELY justified.

And you take your life in your hands backing out from between 2 of those monstrosities in your sub-compact. I now park facing out, just in case some jackasses decide to box me in.

398 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:00:57am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

But some of that was also some within the UAW’s refusal to even look at more efficient production methods.

The UAW performs an important role, but prior to the bailout it was guilty of some serious reality denial. Since then it’s thinking has improved.

>Edited to reflect RBS’s post.

I don’t entirely disagree with your point, but the reason that unions formed the way they did, and have historically had an adversarial relationship with management, in the US, is essentially that the US economy and legal system are set up in such a way as to treat employees pretty shoddily.

It’s not that unions aren’t adversarial with management in other countries (in fact you could argue that this is pretty much the whole point of a union), it’s that, if you start off from the point of view that the payoff from “gains in efficiency” are going to be shared with the general employee population to some degree, you might see a bit more buy-in from those employees.

If, on the other hand, you start from the point of view that “layoffs are necessary to maximize shareholder value”, you can’t be too surprised when the staff tell you where to put your 10-phase efficiency plan.

399 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:01:42am

re: #393 gwangung

I think my anger at SUVs taking up two compact parking slots is ENTIRELY justified.

I don’t. I can’t fit in a compact car, so things intended to accommodate them do not concern me.

400 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:04:32am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

I don’t. I can’t fit in a compact car, so things intended to accommodate them do not concern me.

Part snark, but how do parking spaces designated for expecting mothers accommodate you?

401 makeitstop  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:04:34am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

I don’t. I can’t fit in a compact car, so things intended to accommodate them do not concern me.

I have a word for people who can’t, or don’t want to, park their vehicle in a single parking space. The word is ‘asshole.’

I drive an SUV, and I can park it in one space. And I do.

402 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:05:22am

re: #396 geoffm33

I move to put this on the recommended reading list:

How to Avoid Huge Ships

Avoid shipping lanes in the fog.

403 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:05:37am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

But some of that was also the UAW’s refusal to even look at more efficient production methods.

The UAW performs an important role, but prior to the bailout it was guilty of some serious reality denial. Since then it’s thinking has improved.

Oh, please. Saturns were assembled in TN. How much do you think the State of TN sold out its workers for, anyway?

Just like BMW in SC. Those workers don’t make nearly the equivalent of what MI auto workers made.

BMW, Toyota, Saturn—all of them—pick southern states because the wages can be far less than in northern states where unions are well established and southern states are generally antagonistic toward unions.

I’ve worked with union organizers in NC and I can tell you about the dirty tricks and fear used by companies to keep unions out.

404 geoffm33  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:07:03am

re: #402 Gus

Avoid shipping lanes in the fog.

May have to pick up a copy. The reviews are great:

As the father of two teenagers, I found this book invaluable. I’m sure other parents here can empathize when I say I shudder at the thought of the increasing presence of huge ships in the lives my children. I certainly remember the strain I caused so long ago for my own parents when I began experimenting with huge ships. The long inter-continental voyages that kept my mom and dad up all night with worry. Don’t even get me started on the international protocols when transporting perishable cargo. To think, I was even younger than my kids are now! huge ships are everywhere and it doesn’t help that the tv and movies make huge ships seem glamorous and cool. This book helped me really approach the subject of huge ships with my kids in an honest and non judgmental way. Because of the insights this book provided, I can sleep a little better and cope with the reality that I can’t always be there to protect my kids from huge ships, especially as they become adults. I’m confident that my teens, when confronted by a huge ship, are much better prepared to make wiser decisions than I did. At the very least my children certainly know that they can always come to me if they have any concerns, questions or just need my support when it comes to the topic of huge ships.

405 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:07:28am

re: #391 Good Morning

Do you really need a hundred dollar noise maker to attract ducks? The ones in the park seem to walk right up to me. Quack Quack.

He actually came up with a pretty significant improvement in the technology. I don’t begrudge him his wealth, he did it the old fashioned way over many year. Here is a good article on it, and what makes it different, how he grew the brand.

I don’t duck hunt, but I have no problems with a 200 dollar duck call, after all, I make and sell 60 - 100+ dollar pens.

RBS

406 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:07:32am

re: #401 makeitstop

I have a word for people who can’t, or don’t want to, park their vehicle in a single parking space. The word is ‘asshole.’

I drive an SUV, and I can park it in one space. And I do.

So does everyone I know. I was referring to spaces close in designed for Smart Cars, and other small cars. My dad did have to take two of those small places once, in order to get my mother close enough to the door, They have a handicapped placard, but the handicapped places were taken.

407 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:07:34am

re: #319 freetoken

I wonder if Phil and his gang have ever realized they ought to embrace the idea of “semen familiarity”?

Darwin’s Morning After Pill: How Couples Who Want Children Can Increase Their Chances

Sounds like something their paternalistic God would create.

Fascinating. It goes beyond an immune response, possibly. Or maybe it will redefine the term ‘immune response’.

Although preeclampsia was once a strategic adaptation adjusting for these prospective losses, however, today novel scenarios such as artificial insemination of a donor’s sperm invoke the exact same mechanism. From the mindless perspective of the evolved woman’s proactive womb, there’s simply no way to tell this apart from rape.

So women’s bodies don’t have a ‘way to shut that whole [getting pregnant] thing down’, but they do have a way to prevent carrying it to term. Spontaneous abortion.

408 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:07:54am

Federal judge in New York rules NSA phone-surveillance program is legal.

Cue Greenwaldians crying out in terror… and then … more crying out in terror (wish they’d just go off and curl up in a corner, but that’s just me).

Of course, this all but guarantees that the issue will go to the US Supreme Court since there’s a split among the circuits.

409 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:08:52am

re: #401 makeitstop

I drive an SUV, and I can park it in one space. And I do.

I recall being at Northern Arizona University in 1985 when they were hosting a Mormon youth conference. The parking lot was filled with SUV’s being driven by Mormon moms.

One of them failed to get out of a parking lot without ripping a tire open on another car’s bumper.

I watched her get out, sigh and say (out loud to herself) “I guess I’d better just lock it up and go get my bishop!”

410 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:08:55am

re: #404 geoffm33

May have to pick up a copy. The reviews are great:

Huge. Did I say huge? Huge.

411 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:09:00am

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

I’ve worked with union organizers in NC and I can tell you about the dirty tricks and fear used by companies to keep unions out.

This x 1000. It’s technically illegal to fire people for talking about forming a union, but companies do it all the time. This is why the Republicans gummed up the process of government over Obama’s labor-related appointees - because they didn’t want anyone actually enforcing the law on employee rights.

412 wrenchwench  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:12:25am

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

Oh, please. Saturns were assembled in TN. How much do you think the State of TN sold out its workers for, anyway?

Just like BMW in SC. Those workers don’t make nearly the equivalent of what MI auto workers made.

BMW, Toyota, Saturn—all of them—pick southern states because the wages can be far less than in northern states where unions are well established and southern states are generally antagonistic toward unions.

I’ve worked with union organizers in NC and I can tell you about the dirty tricks and fear used by companies to keep unions out.

I know a former organizer who had the brakes on his motorcycle messed with after they succeeded in unionizing the Stanford campus. He survived, sold the motorcycle and moved 400 miles away.

413 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:12:46am

Day 13 - How to dress like an atheist. //

414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:13:12am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

I don’t. I can’t fit in a compact car, so things intended to accommodate them do not concern me.

re: #406 Dark_Falcon

So does everyone I know. I was referring to spaces close in designed for Smart Cars, and other small cars. My dad did have to take two of those small places once, in order to get my mother close enough to the door, They have a handicapped placard, but the handicapped places were taken.

So, certain special accommodations are OK for you and yours, but other special accommodations do not concern you.

Good to know.

415 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:13:59am

re: #413 Gus

Day 13 - How to dress like an atheist. //

Don’t wear camo.

416 Snarknado!  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:14:23am

re: #338 freetoken

I plan to horde:

Let the hoarding of 60-watt and 40-watt bulbs begin

Come January I will likely buy what I’ll need for the next couple of years.

I love my compact fluorescent bulbs, but I have one fixture (refrigerator light) in which they don’t work. So I have eight incandescent bulbs-in-waiting. Since I’ve changed that light about once in 25 years, I expect that will keep me going for a while.

417 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:19:50am

WTF? It’s like these fundies save up their venom especially for the holidays. I’m sure Jesus (a.s.) is very, very proud. // *smh*

418 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:20:44am

re: #416 Snarknado!

Supposedly, appliance bulbs are not outlawed.

419 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:21:51am

re: #417 CuriousLurker

WTF? It’s like these fundies save up their venom especially for the holidays. I’m sure Jesus (a.s.) is very, very proud. // *smh*

[Embedded content]

Note to self. Send Christmas “Wish List” to John Hagee. :D

420 Ryan King  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:23:37am

re: #417 CuriousLurker

John Hagee should leave the country. Please tell me about the love of Christ again, asshole.

421 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:24:44am

re: #413 Gus

Day 13 - How to dress like an atheist. //

Day 14 - Semi-Monthly “How to be Evil” self-help group. //

422 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:25:08am

re: #417 CuriousLurker

“Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday,” he said. “Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.”

How very Eric-Erickson of him.

423 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:26:08am

re: #421 RealityBasedSteve

Day 14 - Semi-Monthly “How to be Evil” self-help group. //

Day 21 - How to take down a public Christmas tree in 30 seconds.

424 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:26:09am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, certain special accommodations are OK for you and yours, but other special accommodations do not concern you.

Good to know.

It’s a simple premise: My mom gets what she needs. If that means someone else gets trundled aside, then I’ll do that. It’s not hypocrisy because the fact she is my mother elevates her above those other people.

I do understand that my attitude on this point is in the asshole vein, but on some rare matters I’m an asshole and I don’t mind saying it.

425 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:27:31am

youtube.com

cute

426 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:27:59am

re: #422 freetoken

Humanists are now making the claim that Christmas was originally a pagan holiday,” he said. “Hey, dummy, look at the word: Christ-mas.”

That is monumentally stupid.

Has this guy never read a history book or anything outside of the Bible?

427 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:28:23am

re: #379 Varek Raith

YOU FORGOT TO GIVE ME COFFEE!!!

Atheist Vader: I find your lack of faith in my lack of faith… disturbing.

428 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:29:07am

What strikes me about Hagee in that article (the original came out a couple of days ago btw) is how poorly fitting his suit is.

Really, with all the dough he rakes in you’d think he could find a tailor that could fit him with jackets.

429 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:29:14am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

It’s a simple premise: My mom gets what she needs. If that means someone else gets trundled aside, then I’ll do that. It’s not hypocrisy because the fact she is my mothe elevates her above those other people.

Over the years I’ve come to believe that this attitude explains a fair amount of the difference between conservatives and liberals (to use generic terms). Essentially, the degree to which you treat people close to you differently from people you don’t know so well.

430 Ryan King  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:29:59am

re: #426 Sol Berdinowitz

That is monumentally stupid.

Has this guy never read a history book or anything outside of the Bible?

Have the minions that make up the megachurch that (cough cough) employs him ever read or listened to anything outside of John Hagee?

431 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:30:54am

re: #426 Sol Berdinowitz

That is monumentally stupid.

Has this guy never read a history book or anything outside of the Bible?

I find it hard to believe that someone who hasn’t grasped the concept of people changing the name of something over time can be in charge of anything, but there you go.

432 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:31:10am

I wonder if Hagee realizes that Walkmans have long been extinct, outside of a few remote Japanese islands?

433 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:31:38am

IF YOU DON’T THINK EDWARD SNOWDEN IS A HERO THEN LEAVE THE COUNTRY!

434 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:32:47am

re: #433 Gus

IF YOU DON’T THINK EDWARD SNOWDEN IS A HERO THEN LEAVE THE COUNTRY!

HURR HURR YES SNOWDEN BROKE TEH LAW BUT SO DID TEH UNDERGROUND RAILROAD & ROSA PARKS & MARTIN LUTHER KING!!!!11!!!!11!!!TY

435 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:33:02am

Put the Oestra back in Easter!!!

436 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:33:32am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

Yes, you do. Especially given that you can only shoot ducks while they are in the air. Once they land in the pond, you can’t fire on them.

Though my brother once found one of his Canada Goose decoys down a little at the stern once. Turns out another hunter had tried to coax some geese into taking off by firing - apparently not quite over their heads.

My brother had to patch about eight shot holes in the butt of his floating decoy.

437 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:34:40am

re: #435 Sol Berdinowitz

Put the Oestra back in Easter!!!

Olestra, isn’t that the fake fat that makes you crap your pants if you eat it?

438 Stanley Sea  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:35:20am

re: #437 Pie-onist Overlord

Olestra, isn’t that the fake fat that makes you crap your pants if you eat it?

SPEWWWWWWW all over my desk!

439 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:36:26am

re: #436 Feline Fearless Leader

Though my brother once found one of his Canada Goose decoys down a little at the stern once. Turns out another hunter had tried to coax some geese into taking off by firing - apparently not quite over their heads.

My brother had to patch about eight shot holes in the butt of his floating decoy.

It only takes one jerk to ruin things for other people.

440 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:37:15am

Yes it is.

441 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:37:30am

re: #437 Pie-onist Overlord

Olestra, isn’t that the fake fat that makes you crap your pants if you eat it?

I think the specific term was “anal leakage.” EWWWWWWWWW! Sorry.

442 Snarknado!  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:37:42am

re: #418 freetoken

Supposedly, appliance bulbs are not outlawed.

It doesn’t use an appliance bulb, just a regular 40-watt. (And you’re right, it’s only 40 and 60 watt bulbs that are being made to go away.)

443 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:38:31am

OBAMA LOYALISTS WILL SOON OPEN A GULAG FOR SNOWDEN SUPPORTERS!!11TY

444 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:39:04am

Yeah Bryan if we got to the point that all the ice in Antarctica was gone, we’d be fucked.

445 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:39:19am

Vice’s ‘Terminal Insecurity’ explores airport security loopholes

446 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:40:14am

I HEREBY ANNOUNCE THE CREATION OF…

TWITTER SNOWDEN GULAG DEFENSE NETWORK!

#TSGDN

447 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:40:19am
448 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:41:52am

ZOMG!


[Golf clap.]

449 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:42:37am

Iran’s Turkish Gold Rush

Police reportedly discovered shoeboxes containing $4.5 million in the home of Suleyman Aslan, the CEO of state-owned Halkbank, and also arrested Reza Zarrab, an Iranian businessman who primarily deals in the gold trade, and who allegedly oversaw deals worth almost $10 billion last year alone.

The gold trade has long been at the center of controversial financial ties between Halkbank and Iran. Research conducted in May 2013 by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and Roubini Global Economics revealed the bank exploited a “golden loophole” in the U.S.-led financial sanctions regime designed to curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Here’s how it worked: The Turks exported some $13 billion of gold to Tehran directly, or through the UAE, between March 2012 and July 2013. In return, the Turks received Iranian natural gas and oil. But because sanctions prevented Iran from getting paid in dollars or euros, the Turks allowed Tehran to buy gold with their Turkish lira — and that gold found its way back to Iranian coffers.

foreignpolicy.com

450 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:42:54am

re: #448 Gus

ZOMG!

[Embedded content]


[Golf clap.]

Hah. Imagine trying to live anywhere around Manhattan on $8/hr.

451 iossarian  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:43:34am

re: #448 Gus

ZOMG!

[Embedded content]


[Golf clap.]

I’m thinking of the “Ezra” character in Trading Places, when he gets his Christmas bonus from the Duke brothers.

“Five dollars. Maybe I’ll go to the movies. *By myself*.”

452 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:43:50am

re: #444 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah Bryan if we got to the point that all the ice in Antarctica was gone, we’d be fucked.

Franklin Institute (was there yesterday) in one of their exhibits had a fairly simple tank and model of the Statue of Liberty. You could adjust it to show the shorelines of the eastern US from the present to 16,000 years ago. It would adjust the level in the tank to show how far down the water would drop as well as displaying an overhead map showing the revised shoreline.

If you had it on modern day you also had buttons that showed the effect of melting the Greenland ice cap, the Antarctic ice cap, or both. Lady Liberty got her feet wet (or worse) real quick.

453 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:44:00am

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

Vice’s ‘Terminal Insecurity’ explores airport security loopholes

Youtube Video

454 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:45:34am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

I despise banks, but I wouldn’t go Godwin over Deutsche.

455 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:46:04am

re: #437 Pie-onist Overlord

Olestra, isn’t that the fake fat that makes you crap your pants if you eat it?

The technical terms they used for it was “productive flatulence” or “anal leakage”. It was also referred to as “OIT” (Oil In Toilet).

Just was reading about it last night in The Man Who Ate Everything by Jeffery Steingarten

RBS

456 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:47:31am

re: #454 Justanotherhuman

I despise banks, but I wouldn’t go Godwin over Deutsche.

Just don’t mention the War!

457 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:48:00am

re: #455 RealityBasedSteve

BRAIN BLEACH, STAT!!

458 lawhawk  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:51:18am
459 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:53:16am

re: #458 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

I believe the nuanced response to this disclosure is “Oh, shit”.

460 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:54:18am

re: #413 Gus

Day 13 - How to dress like an atheist. //

I wear Jesus sandals when I dress that way

461 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:54:38am

I have not used a debit card at Target in 2 years.

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:55:36am

Wait, is Bryan saying that the female soldiers are raping the men?

463 Snarknado!  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:55:55am

re: #458 lawhawk

I will never use a debit card.
I will never use a debit card.
I will never use a debit card.

(Except in the ATM of my own bank.)

464 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:56:28am

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

Wait, is Bryan saying that the female soldiers are raping the men?

[Embedded content]

No, he’s saying the Real Men are being raped by Teh Gheyz.

465 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:57:04am
466 erik_t  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:57:36am

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

Wait, is Bryan saying that the female soldiers are raping the men?

As usual, a Newsmax citation actually has negative credibility. I would be more likely to believe this if he had no citation at all.

467 freetoken  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:58:42am

re: #465 Gus

Dudebros will want all their donations back from Wikipedia.

468 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 9:59:07am

re: #466 erik_t

As usual, a Newsmax citation actually has negative credibility. I would be more likely to believe this if he had no citation at all.

I never pay attention to whatever site Bryan is linking to, he only links to shit that confirms his pre-existing bigotry.

469 Good Morning  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:00:11am

re: #405 RealityBasedSteve

I the next question is why can’t you just download a phone app that goes quack quack while displaying hunting hints and location based advertising. As it turns out the story of Duck Dynasty as free market hero is a bit more complicated. Basically you are not allowed by the government to use anything except one of those thingies you blow into. So Duck Dynasty is about succeeding in a highly regulated market that requires you to use antiquated technology so as not to kill too many ducks too fast. Basically the US government requires duck hunters to buy an expensive kazoo made with the attention to detail of a Steinway piano. Type in [Electronic Duck Call] and the free market capitalists at google added [illegal] for me so I would not be a pest and search twice.

470 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:01:11am

re: #456 Sol Berdinowitz

Just don’t mention the War!

There’s plenty written about the war, Deutsche Bank and the Nazis, like this, for instance, about the seizure of Jewish banks accts.

471 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:01:33am

From:

”’William H. Pauley III”’ (born 1952) is a [[United States federal judge]], best known for ruling in favour of NSA surveillance of the personal lives of Americans. A ruling arguably in contrast to the constitutional fourth amendment rights of the citizens of the United States.

To:

”’William H. Pauley III”’ (born 1952) is a [[United States federal judge]].

Canada IP address on the first revision. Toronto to be exact.

472 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:02:41am

Ugh. PDF autoloading into my data plan. Grrr.

473 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:04:18am

Fixed for next time. Added Google Docs to my Adblock list.

474 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:05:36am

re: #421 RealityBasedSteve

Day 14 - Semi-Monthly “How to be Evil” self-help group. //

Stellar Convertors for everyone!

475 Gus  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:05:40am

Gawd, they’re getting really stupid.

”’William H. Pauley III”’ (born 1952) is a [[United States federal judge]], Terrorist, Enemy of The People, and The Constitution of the United States.

476 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:06:37am

re: #469 Good Morning

I the next question is why can’t you just download a phone app that goes quack quack while displaying hunting hints and location based advertising. As it turns out the story of Duck Dynasty as free market hero is a bit more complicated. Basically you are not allowed by the government to use anything except one of those thingies you blow into. So Duck Dynasty is about succeeding in a highly regulated market that requires you to use antiquated technology so as not to kill too many ducks too fast. Basically the US government requires duck hunters to buy an expensive kazoo made with the attention to detail of a Steinway piano. Type in [Electronic Duck Call] and the free market capitalists at google added [illegal] for me so I would not be a pest and search twice.

There’s nothing for it, as modern technology is simply too effective at killing ducks for most of it to be used. You’d have the duck quotas filled in the first couple days and then the season would close, to the detriment of everyone who couldn’t get those days off.

477 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:08:39am

re: #475 Gus

Gawd, they’re getting really stupid.

Youtube Video

478 CuriousLurker  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:10:29am

re: #5 Gus

[Embedded image]

E gad!!! O_O

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:21:51am

re: #458 lawhawk

Crap. At this point it sounds like I go about changing out a few cards just to be safe. I don’t want that particular account messed with in any way.

480 darthstar  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:22:51am

re: #369 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut SUV

[Embedded content]

The only name on there that isn’t Obama is Lincoln, and he isn’t running.

481 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Dec 27, 2013 10:58:52am

re: #393 gwangung

I think my anger at SUVs taking up two compact parking slots is ENTIRELY justified.

The cure for that is to print the following in large print on a 8.5 X 11 sheet of paper and tape it to the vehicle’s rear window for everyone to see:

MULTIPLE CHOICE TEST!

1. I am an asshole and need two parking spaces.

2. I don’t know how to drive.

I used it a lot in Miami parking garages, here in Nashville only once or twice.


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