New York Times Investigative Report Destroys Right Wing Myths About Benghazi Attack

“Fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam”

The right wing narrative on the attacks against the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi is now well-established. It goes something like this:

The Obama administration lied when they initially said the attack was provoked by an American-made anti-Islam video. Actually, it was a well-planned Al Qaeda terror attack that had absolutely nothing to do with the video.

Today, an in-depth investigative report published by the New York Times explores these issues and concludes that nearly everything about this right wing narrative is wrong: A Deadly Mix in Benghazi.

There are a lot of interesting details in the article, but two points are important to note:

  • Islamist groups did indeed use that anti-Muslim video as a rallying point to launch the initial attack.
  • There's no evidence that Al Qaeda or any other international terrorist organization was involved, and no evidence of meticulous planning.

Months of investigation by The New York Times, centered on extensive interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack there and its context, turned up no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. The attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi. And contrary to claims by some members of Congress, it was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam.

A fuller accounting of the attacks suggests lessons for the United States that go well beyond Libya. It shows the risks of expecting American aid in a time of desperation to buy durable loyalty, and the difficulty of discerning friends from allies of convenience in a culture shaped by decades of anti-Western sentiment. Both are challenges now hanging over the American involvement in Syria’s civil conflict.

There’s much more to this multi-part article, and you should, as always, read the whole thing. But it shows unequivocally that the reality in Libya is far more complex and murky than the simplistic anti-Obama talking points pushed relentlessly by the right.

UPDATE at 12/28/13 4:34:19 pm

This isn’t the first report in the New York Times that retaliation for that anti-Muslim video was a cause of the Benghazi attack, and that it was carried out by local Islamists. In October 2012, a month after the attack, the Times ran a story with reporting from Suliman Ali Zway in Libya, making these same points:

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck the United States Mission without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as members of a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence.

[…]

To those on the ground, the circumstances of the attack are hardly a mystery. Most of the attackers made no effort to hide their faces or identities, and during the assault some acknowledged to a Libyan journalist working for The New York Times that they belonged to the group. And their attack drew a crowd, some of whom cheered them on, some of whom just gawked, and some of whom later looted the compound.

The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet,” the spokesman said. “The response has to be firm.” Other Benghazi militia leaders who know the group say its leaders and ideology are all homegrown. Those leaders, including Ahmed Abu Khattala and Mohammed Ali Zahawi, fought alongside other commanders against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. Their group provides social services and guards a hospital. And they openly proselytize for their brand of puritanical Islam and political vision.

They profess no interest in global fights against the West or distant battles aimed at removing American troops from the Arabian Peninsula.

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241 comments

1 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:10:45pm

It’s complicated to be sure. I do give credit to the NYT for looking into what really happened and not just trying to ‘refudiate’ the Republican storyline.

Final judgement withheld, though, till I finish reading it.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:12:23pm

I’ve been saying from the beginning, by the way, that the anti-Islam video WAS a motivating factor in the attacks, despite the right’s attempt to deny it. Early reports from Benghazi after the attack quoted militant leaders actually saying this outright.

3 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:15:36pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

It’s complicated to be sure. I do give credit to the NYT for looking into what really happened and not just trying to ‘refudiate’ the Republican storyline.

Final judgement withheld, though, till I finish reading it.

Yeah, but this is hardly a ground breaking exclusive story.

The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.

Mr. Abu Khattala had become well known in Benghazi for his role in the killing of a rebel general, and then for declaring that his fellow Islamists were insufficiently committed to theocracy. He made no secret of his readiness to use violence against Western interests. One of his allies, the leader of Benghazi’s most overtly anti-Western militia, Ansar al-Shariah, boasted a few months before the attack that his fighters could “flatten” the American Mission. Surveillance of the American compound appears to have been underway at least 12 hours before the assault started.

The violence, though, also had spontaneous elements. Anger at the video motivated the initial attack. Dozens of people joined in, some of them provoked by the video and others responding to fast-spreading false rumors that guards inside the American compound had shot Libyan protesters. Looters and arsonists, without any sign of a plan, were the ones who ravaged the compound after the initial attack, according to more than a dozen Libyan witnesses as well as many American officials who have viewed the footage from security cameras.

I’m pretty sure we knew this already.

4 jonhendry  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:15:45pm

With the vast amount of Libyan army weapons floating around uncontrolled - enough to fuel uprisings in Mali, Nigeria, etc, ffs - it wouldn’t have required Al Qaeda-style planning to get that kind of firepower. Probably some text messages, “Let’s F**k with the US” would have sufficed.

5 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:17:56pm

BTW, I really hate the narrative style at the start of the article. When I’m looking for information I don’t give a shit what kind of cakes they were eating or what the sunset looked like that day. Skip to the information.

6 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:24:03pm

Remember who got their panties in a wad over this?

Activists troubled by White House call to YouTube

politico.com

Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Film Released From Halfway House

losangeles.cbslocal.com

“Police have confirmed Nakoula will be released to Pastor Wiley Drake of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, according to CBS2′s Michelle Gile.

(snip)

Nakoula went into hiding last September before his arrest after U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in an attack by Muslim protesters on the U.S. consulate compound in Benghazi, CBS News reported.

Ambassador Susan Rice and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had initially cited Nakoula’s film as a possible provocation for the attacks in Benghazi, but it was later revealed that unidentified government officials removed references to terrorism and al Qaeda from so-called “talking points” released to the public shortly after the attacks, according to CBS News.”

Listen to the women…

7 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:24:06pm

The cake is a lie.

8 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:24:07pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I’ve been saying from the beginning, by the way, that the anti-Islam video WAS a motivating factor in the attacks, despite the right’s attempt to deny it. Early reports from Benghazi after the attack quoted militant leaders actually saying this outright.

There’s the whole psychological side road of the RW reaction - why did they so want to deny the video? Because hate of Muslims is good?

I’m still reading.

9 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:24:43pm

I’m sure Fox News will now cease to parrot the BENGHAZI!!! Republican/TP talking points.
//

10 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:24:49pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

BTW, I really hate the narrative style at the start of the article. When I’m looking for information I don’t give a shit what kind of cakes they were eating or what the sunset looked like that day. Skip to the information.

That’s all you got?

ha

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:27:11pm
“Innocence of Muslims” purported to be an online trailer for a film about the mistreatment of Christians in contemporary Egypt. But it included bawdy historical flashbacks that derided the Prophet Muhammad. Someone dubbed it into Arabic around the beginning of September 2012, and a Cairo newspaper embellished the news by reporting that a Florida pastor infamous for burning the Quran was planning to debut the film on the 11th anniversary of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

Then, on Sept. 8, a popular Islamist preacher lit the fuse by screening a clip of the video on the ultraconservative Egyptian satellite channel El Nas. American diplomats in Cairo raised the alarm in Washington about a growing backlash, including calls for a protest outside their embassy.

No one mentioned it to the American diplomats in Libya. But Islamists in Benghazi were watching. Egyptian satellite networks like El Nas and El Rahma were widely available in Benghazi. “It is Friday morning viewing,” popular on the day of prayer, said one young Benghazi Islamist who turned up at the compound during the attack, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

By Sept. 9, a popular eastern Libyan Facebook page had denounced the film. On the morning of Sept. 11, even some secular political activists were posting calls online for a protest that Friday, three days away.

Yes, this is the timeline I remember and the video was already causing major problems throughout the region.
The video may not have been 100% responsible, but it certainly did serve as a convenient excuse for those responsible for the Benghazi attack.

12 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:27:16pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

There is no lie too bold for the GOP. The whole party is disgusting.

13 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:29:08pm

Well, well, well. Another Republican pumped-up drama going south.

I guess Darrell Issa is just going to have to concentrate on Obamacare now.

And, it will be interesting to see how this all gets downplayed. I suspect some will act like they never claimed or said anything, they were just asking questions.

And Killgore, I feel for you man, it must have taken you a whole 30 seconds to have to wade through all that scene setting. Life’s a bitch sometimes!

14 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:31:42pm

Months of investigative journalism are not about to undo a lifetime of bigotry and mistrust of anyone dark-skinned.

15 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:33:40pm

Remember when all the RWNJs were screaming their heads off about Obama having sent Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to prison for the video? These morons couldn’t even get THAT story right. He was charged with eight violations of his probation for a bank fraud conviction, all of which were for giving false statements about his involvement in the making of the video. Link He could have been charged for using the internet without supervision (which he clearly did) but no charges were filed. Sometimes I wish Obama was white so the stupid from these people wouldn’t be nearly as bad.

16 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:33:41pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, this is the timeline I remember and the video was already causing major problems throughout the region.
The video may not have been 100% responsible, but it certainly did serve as a convenient excuse for those responsible for the Benghazi attack.

Agreed. So far I haven’t spotted any new revelations in the article, Mostly just confirming what was already known. The timeline is a bit interesting. Again confirming there was no protest before the attack began. The attackers used the rumor that Americans were shooting protesters as an excuse to get people to show up….

At 9:42 p.m., according to American officials who have viewed the security camera footage, a police vehicle stationed outside turned on its ignition and drove slowly away.

A moment later a solitary figure strolled by the main gate, kicking pebbles and looking around — a final once-over, according to the officials.

The attack began with just a few dozen fighters, according to those officials. The invaders fired their Kalashnikovs at the lights around the gate and broke through with ease.

The compound had a total of eight armed guards that night: five Americans and three Libyans affiliated with the February 17 militia. All of them fell back. The Americans raced to grab their weapons in the compound’s other buildings but then found a swarm of attackers blocking their way to the main villa.
….
a false report spread much wider and faster: that guards in the compound had shot and wounded Libyans who had come only to protest.

“They told each other that the Americans had killed a Libyan,” Mr. Gharabi said. “For that reason, everybody would go.”

Mr. Gharabi, who was at a friend’s wedding a hundred miles away, knew that some of his fighters would join the attack, so he sent a delegation of “wise men” to deter them, he said. Mr. Bukatef of the February 17 Brigade was in Tripoli that night but said in an interview that he also believed some of his men had participated.

Soon scores, if not hundreds, of others were racing to the scene. Some arrived with guns, some with cameras. The attackers had posted sentries at Venezia Road, adjacent to the compound, to guard their rear flank, but they let pass anyone trying to join the mayhem. Witnesses said young men rushing inside had left empty pickup trucks from Ansar al-Shariah, but also all the other big militias ostensibly allied with the government.

17 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:35:57pm

The whole party should be denounced publicly and ferociously for using Ambassador Stevens for political gain. How fucking immoral can you get?

18 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:37:25pm

re: #17 Amory Blaine

The whole party should be denounced publicly and ferociously for using Ambassador Stevens for political gain. How fucking immoral can you get?

That will only turn them into martyrs with the TP folk.

19 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:40:03pm

re: #17 Amory Blaine

The whole party should be denounced publicly and ferociously for using Ambassador Stevens for political gain. How fucking immoral can you get?

My RW fishwrap the SD Union Tribune trotted out the parents of Sean Smith many times to fulfill their inner nutjob and profit off their grief.

20 GlutenFreeJesus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:40:45pm

Props to the NYT for putting things in print most of here already knew. Too bad the GOP/TP rubes won’t bother reading it.

21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:43:34pm

re: #15 Kid A

Remember when all the RWNJs were screaming their heads off about Obama having sent Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to prison for the video? These morons couldn’t even get THAT story right. He was charged with eight violations of his probation for a bank fraud conviction, all of which were for giving false statements about his involvement in the making of the video. without supervision (which he clearly did) but no charges were filed. Sometimes I wish Obama was white so the stupid from these people wouldn’t be nearly as bad.

I forced myself to watch part of that video, he should have been arrested for sheer stupidity.

22 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:43:58pm

re: #20 GlutenFreeJesus

Props to the NYT for putting things in print most of here already knew. Too bad the GOP/TP rubes won’t bother reading it.

They won’t have time to read it anyway. Too much celebrating Phil “Top Duck” Robertson’s win over the liberal media. Let’s keep things in perspective.

23 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:44:42pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

That’s all you got?

ha

Image: straws.jpg

24 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:46:20pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Image: straws.jpg

No, more like this:

Ennui

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:47:08pm

re: #20 GlutenFreeJesus

Props to the NYT for putting things in print most of here already knew. Too bad the GOP/TP rubes won’t bother reading it.

They won’t read it but they’ll still scream that it’s all liberal apologetics, false flag, propaganda, lies and more lies…

26 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:48:38pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t read it but they’ll still scream that it’s all liberal apologetics, false flag, propaganda, lies and more lies…

Well, one does have to sort out which of the Libyans were telling the truth.

27 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:50:16pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Well, one does have to sort out which of the Libyans were telling the truth.

Oh, ferchrissakes…

28 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:50:30pm

Everyday, I thank my lucky stars that I jumped off the Republican Titanic in 2006 and never looked back. Sometimes I wonder what I was thinking all those years before I saw the light.

29 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:52:34pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

What? The story clear does try to figure out who is telling the truth and who is lying amid contradictory answers to questions of fact in Benghazi.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:52:45pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Well, one does have to sort out which of the Libyans were telling the truth.

What? Did you mean to reply to someone else’s comment because that doesn’t make any sense as a reply to my comment.

31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:55:14pm

re: #28 Kid A

Everyday, I thank my lucky stars that I jumped off the Republican Titanic in 2006 and never looked back. Sometimes I wonder what I was thinking all those years before I saw the light.

There was a day that I was willing to consider Republican candidates if they had sound arguments and a reasonable point of view. There really aren’t any more of those left

32 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:56:05pm

Heh.

33 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:56:49pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

What? The story clear does try to figure out who is telling the truth and who is lying amid contradictory answers to questions of fact in Benghazi.

The truth is right next to the WMD Saddam had in Iraq.

34 Tigger2  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 12:58:24pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Well, one does have to sort out which of the Libyans were telling the truth.

We have that same problem with Republicans in this country.

35 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:00:13pm

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

The truth is right next to the WMD Saddam had in Iraq.

“We’ll be greeted as liberators!”

36 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #34 Tigger2

We have the same problem with Republicans in this country.

Impossible. It says right there in the Tea Party playbook that telling the truth makes you a RINO and you will be primaried.

37 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:01:41pm

re: #34 Tigger2

We have the same problem with Republicans in this country.

We do? Lately I pretty much go on default: if you see a Republican speaking you can be pretty sure they aren’t telling you all the truth.

And until someone purges that party clean, I’m thinking the default is a fine setting to get by on.

38 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:02:20pm

re: #35 Kid A

“We’ll be greeted as liberators!”

“Mission Accomplished”

39 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:03:34pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

“Mr. President, it’s a slam dunk!”

40 Tigger2  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:04:27pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

We do? Lately I pretty much go on default: if you see a Republican speaking you can be pretty sure they aren’t telling you all the truth.

And until someone purges that party clean, I’m thinking the default is a fine setting to get by on.

You can tell the ones that tell the truth, they are the ones that have to apologise to Limpball the next day.

41 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:05:49pm

Clint Eastwood told the truth. (Of course he was talking to a chair).

42 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:06:02pm

re: #35 Kid A

“We’ll be greeted as liberators!”

IDK what I’m going to do with my generous Iraqi oil stipend this year. Add another foot to my yacht maybe?

43 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:06:25pm

I’m gonna post this picture at The Dumbest Man on the Internet’s site and watch wingnut heads spin like Linda Blair in “The Exorcist,” hee hee hee…

44 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:08:01pm

re: #35 Kid A

“We’ll be greeted as liberators!”

Yeah…shock and awe, baby from the coalition of the willing (that would be the US and Great Britain). Old Europe wasn’t eager to get involved, doncha know. : )

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:09:33pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

They won’t read it but they’ll still scream that it’s all liberal apologetics, false flag, propaganda, lies and more lies…

heh, I missed a word “whitewash”.
One of the comments at the NYT story:

don
Scarsdale

Another typical NY Times whitewash of an inept left wing Democratic administration. Is this the beginning of the long awaited media frenzy on behalf of the pants suit lady’s trek for the Democratic nomination for the presidency (heaven forbid)? How sickening to read the comments of unrepentant left wing destroyers of our nation.

46 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:10:19pm

re: #44 Justanotherhuman

Yeah…shock and awe, baby from the coalition of the willing (that would be the US and Great Britain). Old Europe wasn’t eager to get involved, doncha know. : )

And here we are, still with bags of Freedom Fries.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:11:35pm

I’m going to go for a walk. I’ll see if GOP-hate has simmered by the time i get back.

48 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:11:59pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to go for a walk. I’ll see if GOP-hate has simmered by the time i get back.

It’s gonna be a long walk, buddy.

49 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:12:43pm

re: #48 Kid A

It’s gonna be a long walk, buddy.

That’s not a problem for me, since I’ve got big feet and good shoes. :)

50 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:12:43pm
51 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:12:49pm

re: #46 ObserverArt

And here we are, still with bags of Freedom Fries.

Yeah, but at least Bush & Co and his Poodle are gone. Bastards.

52 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:13:29pm

And now, the nuts are starting to mobilize.

53 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:13:51pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh, I missed a word “whitewash”.
One of the comments at the NYT story:

I keep forgetting. This isn’t about Obama this time, it’s about Hillary.

54 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:15:18pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

I keep forgetting. This isn’t about Obama this time, it’s about Hillary.

Because she was right. And they fucking well know it.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:15:34pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

I keep forgetting. This isn’t about Obama this time, it’s about Hillary.

yep. A snippet from another person’s comment there:

Or how about Clinton’s comment “What difference does it make?” She has about as much regard for human life as Obama does. I will tell you what difference it makes. Good Americans were allowed to die due to Obama and Clinton’s total disregard for human life in the best light. They both need to be held accountable and no mainstream media company really cares.

56 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:16:04pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

“If that were true, then the administration would have exonerated itself of #Benghazi already.”

Psst, already it has.

57 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:17:55pm

...

58 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:18:38pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to go for a walk. I’ll see if GOP-hate has simmered by the time i get back.

Oh come on Dark. Hate would be based on a lot of untruths, like the GOP builds a lot of their rhetoric on. We are just taking one more opportunity to riff off of that rhetoric. If anything, maybe it touches a nerve in you. As it should. You should be more pissed that there is so much ripe material to do just what many are doing instead of blaming them for it and calling it hate. It is the damn truth and that should upset you.

59 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:18:50pm

re: #56 Kragar

“If that were true, then the administration would have exonerated itself of #Benghazi already.”

Psst, already it has.

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:20:58pm
61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:23:08pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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context?? we don’t need no stinkin’ context!!11!! WE HEARD HER SAY IT!!11!!! hurr hurr hurr

62 ObserverArt  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:23:47pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. A snippet from another person’s comment there:

Good Americans were allowed to die due to Obama and Clinton’s total disregard for human life in the best light. They both need to be held accountable and no mainstream media company really cares.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

So, let me guess. Caring mainstream media means ignore the truth and nail Obama and Clinton just because. Got it.

And since the story mentions 9-11, what happened to the mainstream media when they didn’t care then and held no one accountable?

Pretty clear what the real problem is. Obama Black. Clinton Democrat married to Bill.

63 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:24:18pm

re: #56 Kragar

“If that were true, then the administration would have exonerated itself of #Benghazi already.”

Psst, already it has.

It’s rich, the people who have spent over a year screaming that anything the White House has to say about the matter is a “lie” now say the White House should have exonerated itself.

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:27:37pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. A snippet from another person’s comment there:

The only thing they would hate more than Obama’s third term will be Hillary’s first.

65 Varek Raith  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:28:39pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

The only thing they would hate more than Obama’s third term will be Hillary’s first.

With Obama as VP.
/

66 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:30:05pm

FBI: Suspect in Mississippi bank robbery that left cop dead now tied to heist in Georgia

usnews.nbcnews.com

“A bank robbery suspect on the run after fatally shooting one policeman and wounding another in Mississippi earlier this week has been connected to an earlier robbery that same day in Georgia, the FBI said on Saturday.

“The FBI is offering up to $100,000 for information leading to the capture of the unidentified suspect, who is considered “armed and extremely dangerous,” the bureau’s Atlanta field office said in a statement.

“The reward is in addition to $100,000 also being offered from various business community leaders in Mississippi.

“This person is very dangerous, we have every reason to believe this person will continue on their deadly path,” Special Agent in Charge Daniel McMullen of the FBI’s Jackson, Miss. division told NBC News on Saturday. “It is urgent that we locate and arrest this person.”

67 Tigger2  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:30:59pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. A snippet from another person’s comment there:

Or how about Clinton’s comment “What difference does it make?” She has about as much regard for human life as Obama does. I will tell you what difference it makes. Good Americans were allowed to die due to Obama and Clinton’s total disregard for human life in the best light. They both need to be held accountable and no mainstream media company really cares.

To me it’s the Republicans in congress that are showing more “total disregard for human life” by trying to keep millions of Americans from getting Health Care.

68 Zamb  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:33:40pm

I think I can predict the official republican line on this. “We still have many questions that need to be asked”

69 missliberties  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:38:27pm

David D. Kirkpatrick has done an outstanding job of following facts of this Benghazi incident. Actual in the flesh journalist reporting. Could we have more of this please.

The video was the spark that lit the fire, as was first reported, contrary to the immediate protests of the right.

70 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:39:46pm

By the way, a note for Pages authors - see how some of the embedded tweets that contain LGF posts have the green football as an image? That’s because the post itself doesn’t contain any images.

If you include an image in an LGF Page, it’s automatically used as the image when that link is tweeted.

71 GlutenFreeJesus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:41:39pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

“Mission Accomplished”

Wrong!

72 missliberties  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:42:43pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I’ve been saying from the beginning, by the way, that the anti-Islam video WAS a motivating factor in the attacks, despite the right’s attempt to deny it. Early reports from Benghazi after the attack quoted militant leaders actually saying this outright.

When the right protests too much you know you have hit a nerve.

73 GlutenFreeJesus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:43:37pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to go for a walk. I’ll see if GOP-hate has simmered by the time i get back.

So the GOP’s own words = hate. Glad we are in agreement.

74 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:47:37pm

re: #68 Zamb

I think I can predict the official republican line on this. “We still have many questions that need to be asked”

“We just want to get to the bottom of this! Why would you be against our fishing expedition?!”

75 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:52:47pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Big feet huh? ;)

76 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:56:16pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

I can’t even imagine how bad the lady hate, misogyny will be, when Hillary becomes President.

77 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 1:59:50pm

OT, but I need to vent.

It seems to me that advertised sales are becoming largely meaningless because retail prices/MSRP don’t mean anything anymore.

Case in point, in the lead up to Christmas I saw several stores advertising sales featuring 40-60% discounts on big name brand name whatever.

It used to be that 40-60% off was a SIGNIFICANT discount that you didn’t see very much, ESPECIALLY not in the weeks leading up to Christmas.

Thus, I am forced to conclude that such “sales” , and the discounts they offer are merely a ruse to separate people from their money.

It amazes me with how common this ploy is becoming that more people aren’t picking up on it.

78 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:00:19pm

re: #76 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin

I can’t even imagine how bad the lady hate, misogyny will be when Hillary becomes President.

She’s not necessarily my first choice, but I’m for whoever can win the presidency for the Democrats, and I’m also for having a woman at long last, and she’s shown she can take the inevitable outpouring of hate.

79 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:03:34pm

As part of U.S.-brokered peace talks || Israel government approves release of 26 Palestinian prisoners

Despite Palestinian warnings, Netanyahu expected to announce the new housing tenders following the release of the prisoners.

haaretz.com

(Photo shows protestors, including one placard that reads, “Obama and Kerry the next Israeli terror Victim’s blood Is on your hands!!!”.)

80 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:03:39pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but I need to vent.

It seems to me that advertised sales are becoming largely meaningless because retail prices/MSRP don’t mean anything anymore.

Case in point, in the lead up to Christmas I saw several stores advertising sales featuring 40-60% discounts on big name brand name whatever.

It used to be that 40-60% off was a SIGNIFICANT discount that you didn’t see very much, ESPECIALLY not in the weeks leading up to Christmas.

Thus, I am forced to conclude that such “sales” , and the discounts they offer are merely a ruse to separate people from their money.

I think MSRP means “Maybe Somebody Really Pays”. One thing I know is that some high end product lines do have a lowest price that a retailer can display on the web for a product (Canon, I’m looking at you….) but retailers can sell for less. That’s the great “Put In Cart To See Price” thing.

RBS

81 funky chicken  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:04:23pm

re: #15 Kid A

Remember when all the RWNJs were screaming their heads off about Obama having sent Nakoula Basseley Nakoula to prison for the video? These morons couldn’t even get THAT story right. He was charged with eight violations of his probation for a bank fraud conviction, all of which were for giving false statements about his involvement in the making of the video. Link He could have been charged for using the internet without supervision (which he clearly did) but no charges were filed. Sometimes I wish Obama was white so the stupid from these people wouldn’t be nearly as bad.

I don’t think the guys pulling the GOP’s strings want folks too focused on bank fraud and the ways the fraudster/bankers spend their stolen money.

82 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:07:15pm

re: #80 RealityBasedSteve

An English Professor of mine once complained about a local business advertising a “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! EVERYTHING MUST GO!” sale.

The reason he was complaining? Five years earlier, the same business in the same location was running the same GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale.

83 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:07:53pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

She’s not necessarily my first choice, but I’m for whoever can win the presidency for the Democrats, and I’m also for having a woman at long last, and she’s shown she can take the inevitable outpouring of hate.

I’ll take this opportunity to state my support for Bill Richardson, and am confident that he will go at least as far this time as he did last time.

RBS

84 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:10:23pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

I agree. Recently, I was thinking about how long she’s been in politics, how long she has been fighting for the Democrats, how long she has had to put up with sexism and a huge spotlight on her marriage, and a shit load of people, that quite frankly, wish she would die. And I thought, not once has it slowed her down or destroyed her. You’ve got to respect that.

85 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:11:04pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

An English Professor of mine once complained about a local business advertising a “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! EVERYTHING MUST GO SALE!”.

The reason he was complaining? Five years earlier, the same business in the same location was running the same GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale.

When I lived in Illinois, there was a big furniture store downtown, had been “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! WE LOST OUR LEASE!!!” for as long as anybody could remember. IIRC they have actually passed a law now in IL that when you advertise a ‘GOOB” sale, you actually have to be in the process of going out of business.

RBS

86 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:15:01pm

re: #83 RealityBasedSteve

I’ll take this opportunity to state my support for Bill Richardson, and am confident that he will go at least as far this time as he did last time.

RBS

I don’t think he’ll run, because of whatever got him yanked from the veep short list when Obama was vetting. There’s always been a ton of corruption in New Mexico, and Bill’s administration did not break with that tradition.

87 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:17:45pm

re: #83 RealityBasedSteve

Yeah, there are a few people I would like to see as contenders. Unfortunately, Democratic hopefuls don’t seem to be as well known, as the loud, mentally unstable, Republican ones.
I do like the thoughts of Hilary because, honestly, Wingnut disappointment is like puppy hugs, baby smell and a new pair of shoes to me now.

88 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:18:33pm
89 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:23:04pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but I need to vent.

It seems to me that advertised sales are becoming largely meaningless because retail prices/MSRP don’t mean anything anymore.

Sales are just not as straight-forward as they used to be. A lot of products are brought in just for the “sales” and even from store warehouses of old stuff that didn’t sell previously. You know that if stores start displaying christmas before Halloween, that those things were either on-hand or ordered a long time ago.

If that coveted cashmere sweater goes on sale, the sale price is not losing them any money, because they’ve jacked up the “original” price to more than it usually would be. In other words, if it usually sells for $200, they’ll put it on sale for $200 and make you think the “original price” was $300 by marking it that way.

90 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:24:28pm

re: #85 RealityBasedSteve

When I lived in Illinois, there was a big furniture store downtown, had been “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! WE LOST OUR LEASE!!!” for as long as anybody could remember. IIRC they have actually passed a law now in IL that when you advertise a ‘GOOB” sale, you actually have to be in the process of going out of business.

RBS

There’s a store not far from here that’s been having a ‘Going Out Of Business’ sale since I first moved to Ostrava.

In 2011.

91 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:27:30pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

There’s a store not far from here that’s been having a ‘Going Out Of Business’ sale since I first moved to Ostrava.

In 2011.

There is a furniture store in San Diego I know which alternates between “Everything must go!”, “Foreclosure sale!”, and “Total Liquidation” about every 3 months. This has been going on for about 10 years.

92 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:27:42pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

There’s a store not far from here that’s been having a ‘Going Out Of Business’ sale since I first moved to Ostrava.

In 2011.

And it’s been passed down from Father to Son for generations, each one passing the failing business to the next. /smile

RBS

93 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:29:48pm

There was a store here where I live that had a “everything must go sale” and they meant it. It was a Goodys (clothing and things like that). They were selling off the fixtures, displays, you name it, it was for sale.

That’s the way it should be done.

RBS

94 jvic  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:33:00pm

Even taking the report at face value, why the attackers dared is less important than that they dared-, less important than why they succeeded—and less important that they (so far) got away with it.

Meanwhile, for example:

Japan’s Prime Minister Goes to Yasukuni Shrine, Defying the Stern Warning from the US Administration

Saudi Arabia Will Go It Alone

The USA’s historic resilience offers hope, but by no means a guarantee, that it will snap out of this period of drift & erosion. When tectonic plates are shifting and mountains are being created & destroyed, infantile partisan squabbles about molehills are not an encouraging indicator.

95 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:35:18pm

re: #93 RealityBasedSteve

There was a store here where I live that had a “everything must go sale” and they meant it. It was a Goodys (clothing and things like that). They were selling off the fixtures, displays, you name it, it was for sale.

That’s the way it should be done.

RBS

I remember when Compusa went under. The local store did that.

96 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:35:27pm

re: #90 Dr Lizardo

Oh, hey, I’ve been saving this for you—saw it the other day and thought of you, even though I know you live far away from there.

Such a gorgeous, moody photo:

97 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:37:54pm

re: #95 Kragar

I remember when Compusa went under. The local store did that.

My first computer came from there!!

98 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:38:17pm

re: #76 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin

I can’t even imagine how bad the lady hate, misogyny will be, when Hillary becomes President.

I really hope she does not campaign, it will be worse than with Obama with the misogyny and baiting. And the BENGHAZIing until the wee hours…

99 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:38:41pm

Watching the Breaking Bad marathon.

We’re at the Junkie Jesse episodes. Saul. Epic.

100 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:39:26pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

An English Professor of mine once complained about a local business advertising a “GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! EVERYTHING MUST GO!” sale.

The reason he was complaining? Five years earlier, the same business in the same location was running the same GOING OUT OF BUSINESS sale.

This company near Charlotte (Pineville) did it for 25 yrs—on TV—until the State put a stop to it. facebook.com

I see they’ve moved to Ft Mill, SC now but they pretend they have more stores. They love to quote the bible, too.

Furniture sales people are on a par with used car sales people anymore.

101 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:40:11pm

WE LOST OUR LEASE!

It fell down between the filing cabinet and the wall!!!

102 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:41:59pm

<gripe class="whine">Why can't telephoto zoom lenses be more conpact? I hate lugging around a long lens, but I love having the extra reach.</gripe>

#FirstWorldProblems

103 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:42:16pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

Oh, hey, I’ve been saving this for you—saw it the other day and thought of you, even though I know you live far away from there.

Such a gorgeous, moody photo:

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Yep……Karlúv Most - Charles Bridge - in Prague. Beautiful place. Thanks.

104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:49:46pm

Tweo beatniks standing on a bridge in Prague…”Wow, this is the Most!”

105 piratedan  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:55:06pm

re: #62 ObserverArt

and yet, these true patriots have no problem whatsoever kicking poor kids off the SCHIP program because of the debt.

First these fuckers won’t fight the war that needed to be fought (Afghanistan), then they get us in a war we didn’t want and/or need. Put both of them on the credit card and add another big pharma boondoggle on top of it, again, not paid for. In their pique of deciding that all regulation is bad, kick the final foundations out of the financial markets and when the bill comes due, they bitch about how the Dems go about fixing it. If DF wants to take a long walk to examine the dark soulless part of his party, I hope that he has another set of shoes.

What a bunch of cowardly fucks, politically, socially and morally.

106 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:55:17pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

<gripe class="whine">Why can't telephoto zoom lenses be more conpact? I hate lugging around a long lens, but I love having the extra reach</gripe>

#FirstWorldProblems

And why are the fast lenses SOOO EXPENSIVE???? Why can’t they make one like I want that I can afford? /whine

I don’t know, perhaps the laws of optics have something to do with it?

RBS

107 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:55:51pm

Some people won’t get power back until 2014.

Thousands still without power as more snow on way to Northeast

usnews.nbcnews.com

“Major Joel Maatman, with the Ingham County sheriff’s office in Michigan, said residents in rural areas — like many hit by the storm — have past experience with bad weather and had generators that allowed them to stay in their homes.

“I’ve been here since 1975 and I don’t remember an ice storm like this,” said Maatman, who used a portable generator and wood-burning stove for power and heat. “I live out in the sticks, and you got to have a generator.”

“But “out-county where there is a lot of farming and open land, I think it’s always on every police officer’s mind that crime can occur,” he added.

“Authorities blame last weekend’s storm for 17 deaths in the U.S. and 10 in Canada. At least five of those deaths have been initially attributed to carbon monoxide poisoning related to using generators. “

108 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:57:13pm

re: #106 RealityBasedSteve

And why are the fast lenses SOOO EXPENSIVE???? Why can’t they make one like I want that I can afford? /whine

Yeah, that too!

I don’t know, perhaps the laws of optics have something to do with it?

D’ya’ think? Hmm… ;)

109 jvic  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 2:58:21pm

re: #96 CuriousLurker

Such a gorgeous, moody photo:

A sight that Kafka might have viewed and absorbed.

110 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:02:11pm

re: #109 jvic

A sight that Kafka might have viewed and absorbed.

E gad, Kafka. I only read one of his stories, The Metamorphosis. I made the mistake of reading it all in one sitting first thing in the morning—it totally ruined my whole day. I’ve never read anything so depressing before or since, and never read any of his other works for fear of running into something similar. It was just wayyyyy too dark for me.

111 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:02:44pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

It is an example of the contempt the merchant class has for it’s customers. No claim is too outrageous to separate the consumer from their money. My favorite is ripping the “sales tags” off at the grocery store revealing the exact same price underneath. Crooks.

112 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:02:45pm
113 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:03:15pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

That is why I do not read him.

114 Bubblehead II  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:03:18pm

re: #99 Stanley Sea

Watching the Breaking Bad marathon.

We’re at the Junkie Jesse episodes. Saul. Epic.

B5 marathon here. Just getting ready to start disk 2 of season 3

115 JDRhoades  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:03:34pm

re: #9 Kid A

re: #9 Kid A

I’m sure Fox News will now cease to parrot the BENGHAZI!!! Republican/TP talking points.

Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

116 Stanley Sea  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:04:51pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

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hahahahaha

117 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:05:27pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

That is why I do not read him.

Just thinking about the story is… *shudder*

118 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:05:42pm

re: #115 JDRhoades

I’m sure Fox News will now cease to parrot the BENGHAZI!!! Republican/TP talking points.

Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny?

What is with this bunny? Let’s put the Oestra back into Easter!!!

119 JDRhoades  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:06:08pm

re: #17 Amory Blaine

The whole party should be denounced publicly and ferociously for using Ambassador Stevens for political gain. How fucking immoral can you get?

Well, I believe it’s one of the things that cost them the election. So we got that goin’ for us.

120 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:09:47pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

E gad, Kafka. I only read one of his stories, The Metamorphosis. I made the mistake of reading it all in one sitting first thing in the morning—it totally ruined my whole day. I’ve never read anything so depressing before or since, and never read any of his other works for fear of running into something similar. It was just wayyyyy too dark for me.

Well, good thing you skipped “The Trial”, then. : )

Meanwhile, “Where’s my beer, you bastard?”

SC woman charged with stabbing husband with a ceramic squirrel

usnews.nbcnews.com

“Williams’ husband was treated at a hospital for non-life-threatening wounds, NBC station WCBD of Charleston reported.

“The condition of the squirrel wasn’t reported.”

121 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:10:10pm


I knew that one was nuts. I’ve seen her blog. :O

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:12:52pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

E gad, Kafka. I only read one of his stories, The Metamorphosis. I made the mistake of reading it all in one sitting first thing in the morning—it totally ruined my whole day. I’ve never read anything so depressing before or since, and never read any of his other works for fear of running into something similar. It was just wayyyyy too dark for me.

I just finished Gila Lustiger’s “The Inventory”.
I’ve written many a book review in my career, but this book has left me with no words to say other than “o.m.g.”

123 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:13:14pm

Fuck you Chris Cline!! Go back to Florida you parasitic scumbag!

Army Corps Of Engineers Won’t Work With DNR On Iron Ore Mine Impact Study

In what may be a major setback for both the state and Gogebic Taconite (GTAC), the Army Corp of Engineers says that it will not work with the Department of Natural Resources on a major part of the permit process for an open pit iron ore mine in northern Wisconsin.

A letter from the Corps to DNR Deputy Secretary Matt Moroney says differences in state and federal environmental requirements won’t allow the two governments to work together on an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).

The EIS is one of the most important parts of getting a permit to mine.

124 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:13:49pm
125 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:14:42pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just finished Gila Lustiger’s “The Inventory”.
I’ve written many a book review in my career, but this book has left me with no words to say other than “o.m.g.”

Never heard of it. I’m afraid to even ask…

126 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:15:57pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

E gad, Kafka. I only read one of his stories, The Metamorphosis. I made the mistake of reading it all in one sitting first thing in the morning—it totally ruined my whole day. I’ve never read anything so depressing before or since, and never read any of his other works for fear of running into something similar. It was just wayyyyy too dark for me.

I like Kafka. It’s an acquired taste, I guess.

Here’s a Kafkaesque take on advertising - one of my faves:

Image: absolut-vodka-absolut-prague-small-58541.jpg

127 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:16:00pm

Just another tragic squirrel based tragedy that could have been prevented. When will we have common sense controls on ceramic animals? In fact, I can’t see why any law abiding citizen would ever need more than 3 or 4 knick-nacks in their house. More than that, it’s just an accident looking to happen.

RBS

129 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:18:44pm

re: #123 Amory Blaine

Fuck you Chris Cline!! Go back to Florida you parasitic scumbag!

Army Corps Of Engineers Won’t Work With DNR On Iron Ore Mine Impact Study

May I ask what prompted the level of hostility?

130 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:20:14pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just finished Gila Lustiger’s “The Inventory”.
I’ve written many a book review in my career, but this book has left me with no words to say other than “o.m.g.”

Okay, I couldn’t help myself—I looked it up.

Uh-uh, no way, not gonna read that.

131 calochortus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:20:22pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

E gad, Kafka. I only read one of his stories, The Metamorphosis. I made the mistake of reading it all in one sitting first thing in the morning—it totally ruined my whole day. I’ve never read anything so depressing before or since, and never read any of his other works for fear of running into something similar. It was just wayyyyy too dark for me.

You’ll also want to skip The Penal Colony. We read it in high school (along with The Metamorposis) Being the practical person I am, The Metamorphosis sort of stalled me at the concept that if he is a person sized cockroach, then his legs would be proportionately to small to hold him up. The Penal Colony on the other hand was so ghastly I told the teacher I wasn’t reading any more Kafka. Whether it was a class assignment or not.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:22:06pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

Well, good thing you skipped “The Trial”, then. : )

Meanwhile, “Where’s my beer, you bastard?”

SC woman charged with stabbing husband with a ceramic squirrel

usnews.nbcnews.com

“Williams’ husband was treated at a hospital for non-life-threatening wounds, NBC station WCBD of Charleston reported.

“The condition of the squirrel wasn’t reported.”

I’m not Dug the Dog. I know your ‘Squirrel!’ story is just an attempt to call attention away from BENGHAZI!!1.

/

133 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:22:39pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Oh I don’t know, lying about asbestos formation at the mine site, having the crooked state GOP rewrite the mining laws to suit his own ends, outright hostility towards citizens in the area, employing out of state mercenaries dressed like commandos complete with facemasks to intimidate, oiff the top of my head. Like I said, fuck you Chris Cline you parasite. GTFO of Wisconsin!!

134 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:22:52pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

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I knew that one was nuts. I’ve seen her blog. :O

That was a very creepy exchange. Totally out of left field. Or should I say right field?

135 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:24:08pm

re: #131 calochortus

You’ll also want to skip The Penal Colony. We read it in high school (along with The Metamorposis) Being the practical person I am, The Metamorphosis sort of stalled me at the concept that if he is a person sized cockroach, then his legs would be proportionately to small to hold him up. The Penal Colony on the other hand was so ghastly I told the teacher I wasn’t reading any more Kafka. Whether it was a class assignment or not.

Wow, I’m glad I didn’t start with that one.

I’ve never read anything about Kafka’s life. I can’t imagine why someone would want to write such depressing things, though I suppose the ability to do so is a sort of talent/genius. Still… ugh.

136 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:27:51pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

Wow, I’m glad I didn’t start with that one.

I’ve never read anything about Kafka’s life. I can’t imagine why someone would want to write such depressing things, though I suppose the ability to do so is a sort of talent/genius. Still… ugh.

I hate to admit that I haven’t read Kafka (A shortcoming I shall attempt to fix this coming year), but the author that STILL scares the bejezus out of me is H.P. Lovecraft. First time I ever read him I was in grade school, it was a dark stormy night, and I’ve been scarred ever since (ok, maybe just a little scabbed). He gives you a few lines, some shadows, and you create your own worst nightmare in your mind.

RBS

137 calochortus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:28:55pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

I can only assume he suffered from mental health “issues”. You can’t write like that and not be a troubled soul.

138 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:31:19pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

I’m not Dug the Dog. I know your ‘Squirrel!’ story is just an attempt to call attention away from BENGHAZI!!1.

/

Haha, looks like the walk did you good. : )

139 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:31:43pm

re: #137 calochortus

I can only assume he suffered from mental health “issues”. You can’t write like that and not be a troubled soul.

Yeah, no kidding. I wouldn’t want to be stuck in the woods alone with someone who had that kind of stuff in his head.

140 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:33:16pm

I’ve become a big fan of clarity in the past few years. Instead of getting mad, I just appreciate moments of clarity.

141 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:35:07pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Could you clarify?

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:37:23pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

Yeah, no kidding. I wouldn’t want to be stuck in the woods alone with someone who had that kind of stuff in his head.

How would you know if you had, unless he told you?

143 calochortus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:38:21pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Cue the spooky music…

144 jvic  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:38:30pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

Wow, I’m glad I didn’t start with that one.

I’ve never read anything about Kafka’s life. I can’t imagine why someone would want to write such depressing things, though I suppose the ability to do so is a sort of talent/genius. Still… ugh.

A number of Austro-Hungarian creatives sensed that something was seriously wrong. Then came WW1, the Depression, and WW2.

(Not to equate popular fiction and a genre like Kafka’s, but:) Nowadays there is all this zombie and post-apocalyptic stuff…?

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:39:11pm

Not quite Page worthy:

Hockey isn’t normally the first sport that comes to mind in New Mexico, and finding an all-girls team is even more rare, but it’s the team’s goalie who is defying the odds.

The New Mexico Mustangs hockey team is made up of teens ages 15-19. It practices in Santa Fe, but plays most of its games outside the Land of Enchantment.

”We’re the only U19 team in New Mexico, so we play out of the state, in Colorado,” says 17-year-old goalie Maisie Reynolds.

[…]

Her name is Maisie Reynolds and she was born without a left hand and it hasn’t stopped her from making saves.

”I had always adapted to it, I didn’t realize something was different until I started playing more and I was already used to it, so I didn’t think it was a disadvantage,” she explains.

Reynolds doesn’t require any help getting ready to hit the ice, but there are some challenges.

”Mainly just trying out different things to see what works, like trying gloves on different hands, and over time I realized that I play left-handed instead of right-handed, so I’m left-handed-dominant, which is weird because I don’t have a left hand,” says Reynolds.

The Eldorado High School junior approaches her disability with her sense of humor.

”It’s fun if my glove falls off. They see it, they’re like, ‘Oh gosh,’ and I’m like, ‘Oh yeah my hand fell off,’ like it’s normal,” Reynolds laughs.

[…]

Read more: koat.com

Go watch the video at the link. It’s short.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:42:09pm

Wounded warriors can walk-by-thought with bionic, mind-controlled leg (VIDEO)

Researchers at the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago are developing a bionic leg that can read the operator’s mind.

Even when a limb is missing, the brain still sends signals to it as if it was still there. This phenomenon results in “phantom limb,” or the feeling the appendage is still attached to the body. It also provides the artificial leg with the brain signals needed to function, Time Tech reports.

Currently, the mind-controlled leg can mimic the user’s natural stride, as well as allow them to traverse stairs and moderate slopes. Soon, it may allow them run.

Big shout out to the RIC, whose excellent care of members of my family has been a godsend to me.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:44:59pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

Okay, I couldn’t help myself—I looked it up.

Uh-uh, no way, not gonna read that.

Yeah. She did such an excellent job with her characters and, even though I had a pretty good idea how it was all going to end and didn’t want to know for certain, I did manage to finish the book. I reached a certain point where I felt I had to continue so their stories could be fully heard.
It’s definitely not a book for the faint of heart.

148 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:45:56pm

149 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:46:08pm

re: #91 Kragar

There is a furniture store in San Diego I know which alternates between “Everything must go!”, “Foreclosure sale!”, and “Total Liquidation” about every 3 months. This has been going on for about 10 years.

Camera/Electronics stores in the Times Square tourist zone have been flying Going Out of Business banners since I got there in 1961.

150 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:50:58pm

All righty.

151 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:53:16pm

The Franz Kafka entry from Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

It jibes with everything I’ve heard and read about the man.

152 jvic  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:54:02pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Wounded warriors can walk-by-thought with bionic, mind-controlled leg (VIDEO)

Big shout out to the RIC, whose excellent care of members of my family has been a godsend to me.

1. Indeed. Years ago a relative endured an extended period of paralysis before they passed. I looked for this kind of technology; it was not available at the time, but clearly it was on the way.

2. A member of the Church of the Singularity—-I’m an agnostic myself—-would say that this is just another step toward freeing the mind from the body. I’m not going that far, but (barring a civilizational implosion) more and better is on the way.

Hurray and thank-you to those who are making it happen.

153 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:54:56pm

That’s it I can’t stand it anymore, I’m slipping out of work (shh) for the biggest milkshake I can find BRB..

154 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:56:02pm

And so it begins…

A top congressional Republican is saying a new report that concludes Al Qaeda did not carry out the 2012 attack on the U.S diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, is “misleading.”

The new report published Saturday in the New York Times concludes that there was no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault that took place on September 11, 2012, and that it appeared that the attack was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made anti-Islamic video, as the Obama administration first claimed.

New York Rep. Peter King, member and former chairman of the House’s Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told Fox News the argument that the most overtly anti-Western militia, Ansar al-Shariah - not Al Qaeda - led the attack is an academic argument over semantics, considering Ansar al-Shariah is widely believed to be an affiliate terror group of Al Qaeda.

“It’s misleading,” King said. “It’s a distinction without a difference.”

The claims by the New York Times also conflicts with other evidence, including the testimony of Greg Hicks, the deputy of Ambassador Christopher Stevens who was killed in the attack. Hicks described the video as “a non-event in Libya” at that time, and consequently not a significant trigger for the attack

It would also contradict a separate report by a leading social media firm that found that the first reference to the anti-Islam film that was initially blamed for sparking the attack was not detected on social media until a day later.

Good fucking grief.

155 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:56:55pm

So I went to the local grocery store a few hours ago. I don’t usually shop there because their prices are steeper than the bigger supermarkets, like ShopRite.

Anyway, there has always been an interesting array of items there as the neighborhood has a lot of Haitian immigrants as well as people from Uruguay, Argentina, and Peru (as well as a smattering of Mexicans & Salvadorans). I usually go there when I want to find specifically Latino things that aren’t included with the standard Cuban/Puerto Rican fare in the bigger supermarkets.

So it’s kinda fun, looking around at all the exotic foodstuffs and trying to figure out what they are. I used to do the same thing in Queens at the big Asian supermarkets. There are all these Peruvian drinks made out of purple/blue corn. Corn is a big thing, all kinds of freaking corn—blue/purple, yellow, giant white kernels, hot flavored drinks, cereals, and puddings made of corn, corn for tortillas, corn for tamales, you name it.

I hadn’t been there in a few months and they’ve changed the meat department too. Now there are all kinds of icky parts, goat legs, goat’s feet (brown ones—apparently that makes a difference), pig’s feet… Oh, then the egg section! There were freaking duck eggs and quail eggs along with the regular brown & white ones! I’m still trying to figure out all the stuff in the cheese & bread section (most of which seems relatively “safe” to try, unlike some of the stuff in the dry goods section like canned chilis & spices with names I don’t recognize).

Anyway, It’s was way cool. I love diversity even when it’s a little icky and I don’t understand everything I’m seeing, LOL. BTW, fellow shoppers are usually very helpful even when their English is limited, the problem is finding someone from the country whose foodstuff you have a question about—you ask a Mexican about some Peruvian thing and they’re like “Beats the hell outta me. *shrug* I have no idea what it is, sorry.”

156 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:58:19pm

re: #153 Amory Blaine

That’s it I can’t stand it anymore, I’m slipping out of work (shh) for the biggest milkshake I can find BRB..

Get me a chocolate malted with french vanilla ice cream. I’ll square you up on payday. Thanks.

RBS

157 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 3:59:50pm

This will kill the BENGHAZI!11TY!! meme once and for all.
//

158 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:01:34pm

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

The Franz Kafka entry from Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

It jibes with everything I’ve heard and read about the man.

There is just something jarring about posthumous fame, to me.

159 Decatur Deb  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:02:32pm

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

The Franz Kafka entry from Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

It jibes with everything I’ve heard and read about the man.

Hungarian “Suicide Song”:

en.wikipedia.org

160 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:03:19pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Hungarian “Suicide Song”:

en.wikipedia.org

O_o

161 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:03:46pm
162 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:05:43pm
163 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:07:27pm
164 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:10:42pm
165 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:12:11pm

This kind of article, by the way, is something the New York Times still does better than anyone else. Real on-the-ground reporting from the center of the events, carefully and painstakingly researched.

166 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:12:35pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

And I am witnessing the fit right now on Twitter, and it is glorious to see.

167 AntonSirius  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:13:35pm

re: #162 Kid A

168 calochortus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:15:48pm

Time to go do something constructive before I have to start dinner.

BBL

169 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:17:39pm

re: #154 Kid A

And so it begins…

Good fucking grief.

And Congressman King apparently never read the interviews with the head of said militia in the aftermath of Benghazi, where he practically laughed at the idea that he was taking orders from Al-Q.

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:18:44pm

Ah…the “good old days”…

171 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:18:49pm
172 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:21:42pm

Here’s the New York Times article from October 2012, a month after the attack:

nytimes.com

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck the United States Mission without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as members of a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence.

[…]

To those on the ground, the circumstances of the attack are hardly a mystery. Most of the attackers made no effort to hide their faces or identities, and during the assault some acknowledged to a Libyan journalist working for The New York Times that they belonged to the group. And their attack drew a crowd, some of whom cheered them on, some of whom just gawked, and some of whom later looted the compound.

The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet,” the spokesman said. “The response has to be firm.” Other Benghazi militia leaders who know the group say its leaders and ideology are all homegrown. Those leaders, including Ahmed Abu Khattala and Mohammed Ali Zahawi, fought alongside other commanders against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. Their group provides social services and guards a hospital. And they openly proselytize for their brand of puritanical Islam and political vision.

They profess no interest in global fights against the West or distant battles aimed at removing American troops from the Arabian Peninsula.

173 Amory Blaine  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:23:01pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah…the “good old days”…

[Embedded content]

If corporate america had its way all our food would be filled with drugs.

174 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:26:31pm

To this day, the GOP argument that Benghazi was an Al-Q plot relies upon three bits of circumstantial “evidence”:

- Allegations of a Facebook post taking credit for the attack, yet the only evidence of said post is an email claiming to have seen it, as over a year later nobody has produced said post.

- Assertions that the militia group responsible is a front/affiliate/local branch of Al-Q, which falls apart when the leader of said militia responded to such allegations with laughter and denials.

- Reports of intercepted Al-Q messages saying that they were thinking of the consulate and the ambassador as an easy target, which is about as much proof that they carried out the attack as the US having invasion plans of Canada is proof that we’re doing anything more than planning out scenarios.

175 CuriousLurker  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:27:27pm

Okay, I’m gonna go download the test photos I’ve shot over the past 10 days to see if I’m starting to “get it” with all the settings.

G’nite, lizards.

176 The War TARDIS  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:30:31pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

How high do you have to be to come up with that?

177 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:34:31pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

This kind of article, by the way, is something the New York Times still does better than anyone else. Real on-the-ground reporting from the center of the events, carefully and painstakingly researched.

QFT

BBL

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:35:06pm

cuteness break!

179 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:35:07pm

re: #176 The War TARDIS

How high do you have to be to come up with that?

Just high enough to see into the seal tank.

180 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:35:12pm

And I like how some are still trying to cling to Gregory Hicks as some sort of authoritative “whisteblower” on Benghazi. You all remember Hicks, right? The fellow who claimed that Special Forces had been given the order to “stand down,” when in reality they were a handful of guys who would have made no difference because by the time they’d have arrived, the evacuation would have been complete? And then told Congress that he’d been “punished” for speaking out by being “demoted”?

181 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:38:26pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

And I like how some are still trying to cling to Gregory Hicks as some sort of authoritative “whisteblower” on Benghazi. You all remember Hicks, right? The fellow who claimed that Special Forces had been given the order to “stand down,” when in reality they were a handful of guys who would have made no difference because by the time they’d have arrived, the evacuation would have been complete? And then told Congress that he’d been “punished” for speaking out by being “demoted”?

So many RWNJ are convinced that the US military would have been able to arrive in the nick of time once the compound was under attack if Obama had simply given them the go ahead, completely disregarding anything resembling little things like time, space, and available assets.

182 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:38:26pm

Settling in for a marathon viewing session of “Hell On Wheels”.

RBS

183 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:43:37pm

re: #181 Kragar

So many RWNJ are convinced that the US military would have been able to arrive in the nick of time once the compound was under attack if Obama had simply given them the go ahead, completely disregarding anything resembling little things like time, space, and available assets.

And then there’s the decades of Hollywood drek that has convinced your average wingnut that every Special Forces soldier is a one-man army, who can kill with a minimum of effort, never gets tired, never runs out of ammo, never gets overrun, and can always expect the cavalry to save him if he’s in danger of any of the above.

184 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:45:04pm
A journey into the Jewish Delta is into warm welcomes, tiny congregations, long memories and strengthened faith and love.


185 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:46:16pm
186 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:51:21pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

With Michelle Obama as VP.
/

187 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:56:16pm

I haven’t been watching this hashtag, until now.

188 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:56:16pm
189 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:57:58pm
190 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:58:14pm

L.A. Dodgers star Yasiel Puig arrested after driving 110 mph on Alligator Alley

naplesnews.com

That’s pretty mundane. But this isn’t.

Dodgers’ Yasiel Puig sued for $12 million by man imprisoned in Cuba

Miguel Angel Corbacho Daudinot alleges that Puig knowingly made false statements that resulted in his receiving a seven-year prison sentence. Puig’s lawyer is filing an ‘aggressive’ response.

articles.latimes.com

191 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 4:59:13pm

Now I’m left wondering how long before a wingnut jumps up and declares the NYT article an attempt to “deflect attention from Obamacare!!”

192 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:08:54pm
193 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:10:27pm
194 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:12:31pm
195 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:12:52pm

Teen Bachelorette, co-hosted by Ted Nugent and Phil Robertson #NewAEShows

196 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:16:07pm

Seems almost obligatory IMO in such a thread:
SoundCloud

197 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:16:56pm

I wonder if someone will finally get around to the Duck Dynasty porn parody.

198 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:19:09pm

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if someone will finally get around to the Duck Dynasty porn parody.

* Goes to order several gallons of industrial-grade brain bleach *
Thanks… because i really needed THAT sort of imagery stuck in my brain…

199 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:19:11pm

re: #197 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if someone will finally get around to the Duck Dynasty porn parody.

Came out in October
OMG… It’s the Duck Dynasty XXX Parody

200 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:20:02pm

re: #198 Archangelus

* Goes to order several gallons of industrial-grade brain bleach *
Thanks… because i really needed THAT sort of imagery stuck in my brain…

Oh come on now. The Parody would feature much better looking people.

201 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:20:15pm

And the trailer.

Youtube Video

202 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:20:27pm

re: #199 Kragar

Came out in October
OMG… It’s the Duck Dynasty XXX Parody

Let me guess…it’s called F**k Dynasty.

203 Teukka  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:20:42pm

re: #199 Kragar

Came out in October
OMG… It’s the Duck Dynasty XXX Parody

Gah. Rule #34 of the internet strikes again :/

204 Kid A  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:20:50pm
205 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:21:20pm

re: #199 Kragar

Came out in October
OMG… It’s the Duck Dynasty XXX Parody

“I’ll take ‘Links I’ll die in horrendous agony before ever clicking on’ for 500 Alex!”

206 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:22:09pm

Sorry everyone…

207 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:23:04pm

I don’t mind all the complaining I see on twitter about white women, because there’s plenty to complain about, but once in a while I have to remind myself not to take it personally.

208 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:23:48pm

re: #205 Archangelus

“I’ll take ‘Links I’ll die in horrendous agony before ever clicking on’ for 500 Alex!”

Its just IMBD

209 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:25:53pm
210 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:25:56pm
211 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:27:23pm

re: #208 Kragar

Its just IMBD

RBS

212 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:27:50pm

MOAR DERP FROM TEH QUEEN OF DERP, PRINCESS PRUDENCE
Yes that totally explains why the President all during World War II was a Republican…
Oh wait….

213 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:30:00pm

You know how the right wing media will react…..

214 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:30:44pm

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR DERP FROM TEH QUEEN OF DERP, PRINCESS PRUDENCE
Yes that totally explains why the President all during World War II was a Republican…
Oh wait….

[Embedded content]

WWII propaganda posters are supposed to be the standard by which we measure men in the 40s? Does she also believe that all Japanese men wear thick glasses and have a receding jawline? Or that all Germans are demons dressed as men?

215 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:32:00pm

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR DERP FROM TEH QUEEN OF DERP, PRINCESS PRUDENCE
Yes that totally explains why the President all during World War II was a Republican…
Oh wait….

[Embedded content]

I have an answer to that.

That’s an example how sick this society has become!

216 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:33:06pm

Holy crap!

Tijuana-Ensenada Scenic Highway Collapses

blogs.ocweekly.com

“A section of the toll road leading from Tijuana to Ensenada collapsed more than 300 feet toward the ocean early this morning, which is leading to lengthy detours along the smaller, less-traveled free road.

“The collapse happened at kilometer 93 just south of Salsipuedes following a magnitude 4.6 earthquake on December 20 along Federal Highway 3 between Ensenada and San Felipe. The road has been unstable for many years and was known for its rough surface and low speed limit; it slipped about a foot on December 27, and then collapsed nearly 350 feet in the early hours of December 28.

“There were no reports of injuries or fatalities, though there were vehicles in the vicinity.”

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:33:45pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

WWII propaganda posters are supposed to be the standard by which we measure men in the 40s? Does she also believe that all Japanese men wear thick glasses and have a receding jawline? Or that all Germans are demons dressed as men?

It’s a typical wingnut meme to select random pictures and put them side by side.
HURR HURR ARE WIMMENZ IS HAWT!!!!
LIBRUL WIMMENS IS FUGLY!!!!!11!!!

218 compound_Idaho  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:34:24pm

re: #192 Kid A

But, but, Kenya is listed as the birthplace of the father on the birth certificate. Are you suggesting long form is fake? //

219 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:34:33pm

LOL some of the stuff on #NewAEShows is brilliant… this one may be staying popular for a while..

220 wrenchwench  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:42:01pm

Later, lizards.

221 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:43:36pm

re: #199 Kragar

Came out in October
OMG… It’s the Duck Dynasty XXX Parody

I may have booked myself to a one-way trip to hell posting this but this is hilarious to watch! (No explicit scenes inhere, but you know what to expect from a trailer like this. Incidentally, also a ZZ-top track was raped for this travesty.)

Youtube Video

222 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:45:39pm

re: #221 William of Orange

I may have booked myself to a one-way trip to hell posting this but this is hilarious to watch! (No explicit scenes inhere, but you know what to expect from a trailer like this. Incidentally, also a ZZ-top track was raped for this travesty.)

[Embedded content]

Any scene where they use a duck call looks hilarious.

223 Kruk  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:45:47pm

re: #221 William of Orange

I may have booked myself to a one-way trip to hell posting this but this is hilarious to watch! (No explicit scenes inhere, but you know what to expect from a trailer like this. Incidentally, also a ZZ-top track was raped for this travesty.)

[Embedded content]

Just tell me it doesn’t feature Santorum. In any sense of the name.

224 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:50:28pm

re: #211 RealityBasedSteve

[Embedded image]

RBS

TWO disc set? Oh my.

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:51:28pm

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR DERP FROM TEH QUEEN OF DERP, PRINCESS PRUDENCE
Yes that totally explains why the President all during World War II was a Republican…
Oh wait….

[Embedded content]

Because NOTHING AT ALL changes in SEVENTY freaking years! NOTHING!

226 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:52:12pm

Ah, but I see “The Game of Bones” has also been released.

227 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:53:12pm

Utter…. Wow!!

228 Kragar  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:53:27pm
229 Targetpractice  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:54:38pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Because NOTHING AT ALL changes in SEVENTY freaking years! NOTHING!

Of course not. In their minds, the ideal American male lived in one isolated point in American history. Every man who has lived since, no matter how much of a meat-head he may be or the degree of testosterone poisoning he’s undergoing, he’s still “feminized” because society says they actually have to respect women.

230 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:55:45pm

Fingers up if you think this is surprising.

foxnews.com


Wot? No fingers?

231 bratwurst  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 5:57:27pm
232 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:05:13pm

re: #227 William of Orange

If I’m not mistaken, that’s a promotional image for the first ever Wrestlemania show in 1985.

233 BongCrodny  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:07:03pm

re: #213 William of Orange

You know how the right wing media will react…..[Embedded image]

Nope.

Mouth is closed.

234 plansbandc  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:34:51pm

re: #76 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin

It’s going to be absolutely relentlessly brutal. Going to curtail my online political news consumption.

235 Kruk  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:40:10pm

re: #226 Kragar

Ah, but I see “The Game of Bones” has also been released.

How could you tell the parody from the original?

Only half-kidding. I love GoT, but I think they went a little OTT with the nudity. It put off a few people I know who would otherwise have loved it.

236 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:41:24pm

Well, the good news is that it’s my birthday (yay!); the bad news - weather forecasts here imply a need for heavy-duty umbrellas and/or an ark…

237 Archangelus  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 6:44:19pm

re: #235 Kruk

How could you tell the parody from the original?

Only half-kidding. I love GoT, but I think they went a little OTT with the nudity. It put off a few people I know who would otherwise have loved it.

Not really IMO. Compared to the stuff in the books, the TV show is quite tame…

238 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 7:20:01pm

re: #219 Archangelus

LOL some of the stuff on #NewAEShows is brilliant… this one may be staying popular for a while..

239 William of Orange  Sat, Dec 28, 2013 8:00:29pm

Christmas is already out the door, but still I want to give you all a very warm feeling for the coming days. Here’s a compilation of military homecomings.

(Little warning; keep some tissues nearby, you’re going to need them.)

Youtube Video

240 Political Atheist  Sun, Dec 29, 2013 5:31:52pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Well, one does have to sort out which of the Libyans were telling the truth.

I think the early statement by the Libyan President was what threw a bunch of people off at the start. Those not all up in the RWNJ machine. As I said at the time if you looked at the calendar and gave the Libyan president any credence at all the video seemed a lesser possibility. Those two bits of information have nothing to do with anyones agenda. They were just there.

That’s not to be confused with those who ran over the edge with the same info and an agenda.

241 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 1, 2014 6:02:09pm

re: #228 Kragar

[Embedded content]

In one of those pictures you see a love handle. Love handles are normally not allowed in the modeling industry. Anything over a size 4 is plus sized to them. To me that only thing that makes her plus sized is her height.


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Florida Republicans Choose Unregulated Murder Weapons Over Children’s LivesI keep drilling this to everyone who discusses this shooting. Republicans value ownership of unregulated murder weapons over children's lives. So much so that they voted along party lines with Stoneman Douglas students watching they voted to decline debate on ...
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Weekend Box Office: ‘Black Panther’ Bounds to Record-Shattering $218M-Plus Bow In a defining moment for Hollywood, Disney and Marvel Studios' Black Panther exploded at the Presidents Day box office, bounding to a record-shattering estimate of $192 million for the three-day weekend and a projected $218 million-plus for the four-day ...
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Brandi Carlile - the Joke (Official Video) From the album "By The Way, I Forgive You" available now. elektrar.ec Directed by Danny Clinch Produced by Lindha Narvaez for MILKT Choreography by Peter Leung Ballet sequence filmed by Middle Table Productions Connect with Brandi: brandicarlile.com facebook.com @brandicarlile ...
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School Shooter Nikolas Cruz Belonged to White Supremacist GroupThis my surprised face.... BREAKING: Nikolas Cruz, alleged perpetrator in the deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida, was associated with white supremacist group Republic of Florida &amp; participated in the group’s training exercises, according to the group’s leader. More info: ...
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Your Medicine Cabinet Knows What AIls Youblog.timesunion.com HOFFMAN FILESYour medicine cabinet knows what ails you.By Rob Hoffman on February 15, 2018 at 5:27 AM1We all fancy ourselves experts when it comes to the human condition. We see our fellow human beings as open books, and we ...
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A.G. Schneiderman Files Civil Rights Lawsuit Against the Weinstein Companies, Harvey Weinstein, and Robert Weinstein NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman today filed suit against The Weinstein Company (“TWC”), Harvey Weinstein, and Robert Weinstein for egregious violations of New York’s civil rights, human rights, and business laws. The suit, filed ...
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Portugal. The Man - Keep on (Official Video) Portugal. The Man - Keep On Video conceptualized, created and directed by Paulin RoguesFollow Paulin at instagram.com Catch Portugal. The Man on tour:portugaltheman.com WOODSTOCK available now!atlantic.lnk.to Follow Portugal. The ManWebsite: portugaltheman.comFB: facebook.com IG: instagram.comTW: @portugalthemanSC: SoundCloudYT: youtube.comTumblr: portugaltheman.tumblr.com ...
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Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 Jessica Jones is back as New York City’s tough-as-nails private investigator. Although this time, the case is even more personal than ever before. Fueled by a myriad of questions and lies, she will do whatever it takes to uncover ...
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Deadpool 2 Teaser Trailer - Red Band (2018) Ryan Reynolds, Josh Brolin The Merc with a Mouth takes a pop at Cable, Toy Story and Justice League in this teaser for the upcoming Deadpool sequel. Watch more entertainment and game trailers here!YouTube Watch the latest from IGN here!YouTube ------------------------------­----Follow IGN for ...
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Poll: Number of Conservative-Leaning States Drops to 39 (CN) – The number of conservative-leaning states has dropped from 44 to 39, according to a new Gallup poll released Wednesday. The survey, conducted over a number of polls taken throughout the year, found that 35 percent of Americans ...
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