Israel to Fund All Abortions for Women 20 to 33

Socialized health care at its best

Here’s some news that has to be causing serious cognitive dissonance among America’s normally very pro-Israel religious right, as the Israeli government decides to pay for all abortions for women aged 20 to 33, regardless of circumstance.

Until now, subsidized abortions for women of all ages were available in medical emergencies or in case of rape and sexual abuse. Women under the age of 20 or over 40 were also eligible for abortion funding even when the reason was personal.

Despite the new funding, which was recently approved as part of Israel’s state-subsidized “health basket” for 2014, women will still have to appear before a state committee before terminating a pregnancy.

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234 comments

1 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:53:20pm

Is that sound I hear from thousands of miles across the Atlantic, echoing off the Western Carpathians, Mt. St. Helens erupting again?

No…..it’s wingnut heads exploding.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:53:28pm

Israel has been taken over by Librul goons!!

3 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:53:36pm

Now what will our “Christian Zionist” wingnut “friends” do?

4 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:55:08pm

Wailing and gnashing of teeth in fundy mega-churches across the fruited plain…….

5 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:59:52pm

Radio silence:

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 2:59:56pm

I felt a disturbance in the Farce. As if millions of wingnuts cried out in impotent rage and were suddenly silenced.

/

7 Stanley Sea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:01:53pm

I’m getting a kick tweeting these articles with #lnyhbt

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:02:40pm

re: #5 jaunte

Radio silence:
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Yeah, I couldn’t find any mention of it at all in right wing media. A very loud silence.

9 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:03:14pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I couldn’t find any mention of it at all in right wing media. A very loud silence.

They’re looking for some way to blame it on Obama.

10 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:03:35pm

Oh yeah, Wonkette’s on it. : )

Obama Forces Israel To Abort All Babbies At U.S. Taxpayer Expense

Read more at wonkette.com

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:06:33pm
12 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:07:02pm

re: #5 jaunte

Radio silence:
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BENGHAZI!

13 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:08:13pm

Even Drudge has managed to avoid it.

14 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:10:49pm

re: #13 jaunte

Even Drudge has managed to avoid it.

Yeah, I’m watching Twitter. The right-wing silence is deafening.

15 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:12:06pm

Freepers are also silent.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:12:40pm

Bassackwards? From the article:

The committee is keeping contraceptives outside the health basket, but Halevy said this was only due to a lack of funds. “The private expense for birth control pills is low, but when we’re talking about financing for the entire population, that’s a hefty sum,” he said.

I would think they’d save a bundle on other expenses if they covered birth control. IUDs are also not covered.

17 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:12:47pm

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Freepers are also silent.

It’s quiet in here. Too quiet.

18 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:13:56pm

re: #17 b_sharp

It’s quiet in here. Too quiet.

I have to admit, I’m surprised at the RW’ers silence on the matter.

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:15:13pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I couldn’t find any mention of it at all in right wing media. A very loud silence.

Hello darkness my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again…

20 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:15:16pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

I have to admit, I’m surprised at the RW’ers silence on the matter.

Usually when they avoid initial comment on a story like this, it’s because they’re waiting for a pundit to find the anti-Obama/Democrat angle for them to peddle. If it goes without comment for more than a day, then it might be time to prod them to make sure they’re not dead.

21 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:15:23pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

Since they figured out the Pope is not a true Christian, I think they’ll also come to the conclusion that the government of Israel is in the wrong hands.

22 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:15:31pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

I have to admit, I’m surprised at the RW’ers silence on the matter.

I’m sure the pressure is building. Good thing all the wingnuts have fliptop heads.

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:15:38pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

I have to admit, I’m surprised at the RW’ers silence on the matter.

They haven’t figured out the talking points yet. Give them time. They’ll blame Obama somehow.

24 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:16:48pm

re: #21 jaunte

Since they figured out the Pope is not a true Christian, I think they’ll also come to the conclusion that the government of Israel is in the wrong hands.

Heh.

I agree that perhaps they RW’ers haven’t yet found the angle to connect it with President Obama, hence their silence.

25 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:17:25pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What a great picture. My older daughter, then 5 years old, did that very thing back in 1982. “Is that my baby brother or sister?” she asked. Now, of course, we would know that it was a sister, but primitive ultrasound had failed to reveal a definitive image and we had to wait until she actually arrived.

26 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:18:50pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

What a great picture. My older daughter, then 5 years old, did that very thing back in 1982. “Is that my baby brother or sister?” she asked. Now, of course, we would know that it was a sister, but primitive ultrasound had failed to reveal a definitive image and we had to wait until she actually arrived.

Did you ask the baby?

27 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:19:07pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I agree that perhaps they RW’ers haven’t yet found the angle to connect it with President Obama, hence their silence.

Awww, so close but I beat you by about a minute. :P

28 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:20:25pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Awww, so close but I beat you by about a minute. :P

This isn’t a contest you know.

Unless I get there first.

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:21:07pm

Has anyone tweeted it to Fischer or the rest of the self-proclaimed keepers of American Christian virtue/exceptionalism?

30 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:21:41pm
31 Bear  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:23:19pm

Still caught in ice.
dailymail.co.uk

32 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:23:41pm

re: #30 jaunte

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So cool.

33 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:24:39pm
34 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:26:46pm

re: #31 Bear

Still caught in ice.
dailymail.co.uk

From the Daily Mail?

Seriously?

35 b.d.  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:27:47pm

ISRAEL NEEDS TO GET RID OF THAT LIB NETANYAHU AND GET A REAL CONSERVATIVE TO RUN THINGS!!1!

36 Bear  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:27:50pm

re: #34 b_sharp

???

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:28:47pm

re: #35 b.d.

ISRAEL NEEDS TO GET RID OF THAT LIB NETANYAHU AND GET A REAL CONSERVATIVE TO RUN THINGS!!1!

Putin for President of Israel!!

38 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:29:15pm

re: #36 Bear

???

A stupidly biased rag where you can be sure the story is secondary to the spin.

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:29:21pm

re: #36 Bear

The Daily Mail or Daily Fail as some of us like to call it, is not exactly a reliable source.

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:30:22pm

Israel is of interest to the Fundamentalist Right only for its role in precipitating Armageddon. And they most likely expect God to smite the Biblical lands for such an abomination.

41 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:30:25pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

The Daily Mail or Daily Fail as some of us like to call it, is not exactly a reliable source.

They distract from the word-spin with a lot of photos.

42 Bear  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:31:04pm

re: #38 b_sharp

Are the pictures fake?

43 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:32:08pm

re: #17 b_sharp

It’s quiet in here. Too quiet.

I. for one, am quite because UPS just delivered a package from my boss. I thought ti was going to be end-of-year related paperwork or something but it was ZOMG-a-freaking-64MB-iPad-Mini! Eeeeeeeek!!11!

*breathes into brown paper bag so she won’t faint*

44 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:32:53pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

I. for one, am quite because UPS just delivered a package from my boss. I thought ti was going to be end-of-year related paperwork or something but it was ZOMG-a-freaking-64MB-iPad-Mini! Eeeeeeeek!!11!

*breathes into brown paper bag so she won’t faint*

Where do you work again?

/

45 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:33:12pm

re: #42 Bear

Are the pictures fake?

No, the ship is stuck.
We know that.
It’s the bullshit AGW/CC denial that comes with it I can’t stomach.

46 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:08pm

re: #42 Bear

If the argument they’re going for is that it’s still cold enough in Antarctica for ice to form, they’ve done a bang-up job.

47 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:11pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

I. for one, am quite because UPS just delivered a package from my boss. I thought ti was going to be end-of-year related paperwork or something but it was ZOMG-a-freaking-64MB-iPad-Mini! Eeeeeeeek!!11!

*breathes into brown paper bag so she won’t faint*

Nice.

We got a Christmas card from friends today, but there was nothing in it.

48 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:13pm
49 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:29pm
50 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:46pm

re: #26 b_sharp

Did you ask the baby?

I did. She didn’t say much at that point, though that changed pretty dramatically in later years.

51 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:34:58pm

re: #48 Gus

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OFFS.

52 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:35:47pm

The question was also raised in 2010, and spun this way.

Is the U.S. supporting (free) Israeli Abortions?

unsettledchristianity.com

53 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:36:05pm
54 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:37:27pm


55 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:37:52pm

re: #48 Gus

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Oh fer chrissakes.

Just in case you don’t think there are some serious conspiracy theorists all through that crowd.

56 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:37:53pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

First Arafat and now this?!?
///

57 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:38:52pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

First Arafat and now this?!?
///

you beat me to it, but the link is obvious and the trail leads straight to BENGHAZI!!!

58 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:39:14pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

First Arafat and now this?!?
///

It’s a conspiracy I tell you. A conspiracy.

59 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:39:34pm

re: #57 Sol Berdinowitz

you beat me to it, but the link is obvious and the trail leads straight to BENGHAZI!!!

Thanks Obama.

60 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:39:57pm

California Tidepools now Paged.

Sometimes it’s hard to narrow the number of good ones down.

61 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:40:02pm

re: #47 b_sharp

Nice.

We got a Christmas card from friends today, but there was nothing in it.

I almost bought one earlier this month because my old iPad (also a gift form my boss) is 3+ years old and really running slow, but then decided to go for the DSLR camera instead. I’d bought a Kind Paperwhite on sale not to long ago for reading books, so I figured I’d either buy the (much cheaper) 7” Nexus or wait until I could justify the expense of an iPad Mini. But now…

62 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:40:59pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

I almost bought one earlier this month because my old iPad (also a gift form my boss) is 3+ years old and really running slow, but then decided to go for the DSLR camera instead. I’d bought a Kind Paperwhite on sale not to long ago for reading books, so I figured I’d either buy the (much cheaper) 7” Nexus or wait until I could justify the expense of an iPad Mini. But now…

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Wow, you’re quite the dancer.

63 b.d.  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:41:12pm

re: #48 Gus

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WE’RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!!1!

64 Kragar  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:41:20pm
65 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:42:07pm

re: #64 Kragar

66 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:44:22pm

Your DSLR will download into that IPad wonderfully. Great way to show off the good ones. One little adapter.

67 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:44:39pm
68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:46:02pm

re: #38 b_sharp

A stupidly biased rag where you can be sure the story is secondary to the spin.

the ship is still stuck in the ice.
Stopped clock, squirrel/acorn, and all that

69 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:46:15pm

re: #67 Gus

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Sitting kind of high on his head. Unless he has a pointy head.

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:46:17pm

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Is that a Miley Cyrus stick figure?

71 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:47:15pm

re: #66 Political Atheist

Your DSLR will download into that IPad wonderfully. Great way to show off the good ones. One little adapter.

Oooh, you’ll have to tell me more about that!

Okay lizards, ya’ll are great company, but new little darling is going to have all my attention for the rest of the evening.

Laters! *waves*

72 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:47:37pm

re: #69 b_sharp

Sitting kind of high on his head. Unless he has a pointy head.

Doesn’t matter. ;)

73 b.d.  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:47:44pm

re: #48 Gus

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Ways the NSA could have given radioactive cancer bombs to Chavez:

1.) In a fried plantain from NSA agent posing as street vendor
2.) NSA compromised mouse that put cancer bomb in Chavez’s tea.
3.) NSA infiltrated Cuba and put secret NSA radiation cancer bomb to Chavez in his mojito
4.) NSA planted cancer bomb in privately owned rice mill that Chavez ended up nationalizing.
5.) ???

74 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:50:58pm

re: #73 b.d.

Ways the NSA could have given radioactive cancer bombs to Chavez:

1.) In a fried plantain from NSA agent posing as street vendor
2.) NSA compromised mouse that put cancer bomb in Chavez’s tea.
3.) NSA infiltrated Cuba and put secret NSA radiation cancer bomb to Chavez in his mojito
4.) NSA planted cancer bomb in privately owned rice mill that Chavez ended up nationalizing.
5.) ???

Cocaine, gotta’ be the coke.

75 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:51:04pm

re: #73 b.d.

Ways the NSA could have given radioactive cancer bombs to Chavez:

1.) In a fried plantain from NSA agent posing as street vendor
2.) NSA compromised mouse that put cancer bomb in Chavez’s tea.
3.) NSA infiltrated Cuba and put secret NSA radiation cancer bomb to Chavez in his mojito
4.) NSA planted cancer bomb in privately owned rice mill that Chavez ended up nationalizing.
5.) ???

5. You put the poison cancer in the beard. Oh, wait. Image: Hugo-Chavez-193225-1-402.jpg

76 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:51:50pm

Wow, is it time for old man nap already?
Why yes it is.
BBL.

77 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:53:39pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

I. for one, am quite because UPS just delivered a package from my boss. I thought ti was going to be end-of-year related paperwork or something but it was ZOMG-a-freaking-64MB-iPad-Mini! Eeeeeeeek!!11!

*breathes into brown paper bag so she won’t faint*

No Jelly of The Month club membership? How disappointing.

78 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:55:50pm

Another narcissistic nutter. What a surprise.

79 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:55:54pm

re: #73 b.d.

Yellowcake arepas.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:56:39pm

re: #67 Gus

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Would work better if he had wire rimmed glasses!!!

81 b.d.  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:56:55pm

REMEMBER WHEN CHAVEZ GAVE OBAMA THAT BOOK? THAT’S WHEN OBAMA PROBABLY SLIPPED HIM THE CANCER.

82 darthstar  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 3:57:05pm
83 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:00:09pm

re: #48 Gus

84 b.d.  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:01:30pm

re: #83 Lidane

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hahahaha, beautiful.

will that protect you from an NSA bug with a leaky reactor core though?

85 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:04:12pm

These creatures are living at the very edges of hospitable environments — with strange and scarce energy sources, little to no water and scorching heat. Many spend their lives bound to minerals, and move only with the random motion of molecules in the sediments. As a result, they can tell us a lot about the limits of life in the harsh environments of other planets, Amend said

Many scientists think life on Earth may have emerged from hydrothermal vents in the seafloor, so these primitive subsurface dwellers could reveal insights into the first primitive cells that started life on Earth, Amend said

86 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:06:28pm

re: #82 darthstar

Honestly, unless he is willing to go to Tight End I don’t see much future for him in the NFL.

87 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:06:28pm

Smooth mid-song guitar change.

Youtube Video

88 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:07:27pm

I have a feeling that the RWNJs are waiting for someone to break the ice with their talking points, then they will be all over it. Give it time, it will come.

RBS

89 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:10:16pm

re: #85 dog philosopher

These creatures are living at the very edges of hospitable environments — with strange and scarce energy sources, little to no water and scorching heat. Many spend their lives bound to minerals, and move only with the random motion of molecules in the sediments. As a result, they can tell us a lot about the limits of life in the harsh environments of other planets, Amend said

Many scientists think life on Earth may have emerged from hydrothermal vents in the seafloor, so these primitive subsurface dwellers could reveal insights into the first primitive cells that started life on Earth, Amend said

I can hear them now…”It’s not bad enough that they say we came from monkeys, now they’re saying we came from slime. That’s not in the bible.”

90 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:12:16pm

“Embracing chest hair is also a reaction to the crisis in masculinity,” she said. “Refusing to trim or shave or wax your chest, and instead let it creep out of the top of your shirt, is a way of shunning the manscaping trend and giving off a signal that you’re a manly man.”

um, really???

you know, i’d be really shocked if it turned out that there are a large number of men who actually regularly depilate their torsos…

91 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:14:18pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

I can hear them now…”It’s not bad enough that they say we came from monkeys, now they’re saying we came from slime. That’s not in the bible.”

there was also this interesting sentence:

The dark-dwellers reproduce only every few months or years and have glacially slow metabolisms, with some organisms moving the equivalent of just a few electrons per second

not only are these hyar atheistical types saying we came from teh slime, but lazy slime at that…

92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:15:03pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

“Embracing chest hair is also a reaction to the crisis in masculinity,” she said. “Refusing to trim or shave or wax your chest, and instead let it creep out of the top of your shirt, is a way of shunning the manscaping trend and giving off a signal that you’re a manly man.”

um, really???

you know, i’d be really shocked if it turned out that there are a large number of men who actually regularly depilate their torsos…

I cannot recall where I ran across the article or post that points out how those who do not understand what it means to be a real man cling to established and often outdated external symbols of masculinity like hairiness and emotional hardness, much as people who do not understand what it means to be a true patriot cling to images like flags, tricornered hats and lapel pins

93 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:15:28pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

Well I guess I’m not manly because I have chest hair that ceases well below my shirt collar.

94 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:17:14pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

“Embracing chest hair is also a reaction to the crisis in masculinity,” she said. “Refusing to trim or shave or wax your chest, and instead let it creep out of the top of your shirt, is a way of shunning the manscaping trend and giving off a signal that you’re a manly man.”

But no one ever wants to embrace manly ear hair.

95 Kragar  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:17:32pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

“Embracing chest hair is also a reaction to the crisis in masculinity,” she said. “Refusing to trim or shave or wax your chest, and instead let it creep out of the top of your shirt, is a way of shunning the manscaping trend and giving off a signal that you’re a manly man.”

um, really???

you know, i’d be really shocked if it turned out that there are a large number of men who actually regularly depilate their torsos…

Define regularly.
/

96 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:17:48pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I guess I’m not manly because I have chest hair that ceases well below my shirt collar.

and I guess that there are no Gay Hairy Men in that case. [Massive_Eye_Roll]

RBS

97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:18:07pm

re: #94 jaunte

But no one ever wants to embrace manly ear hair.

Not to mention the stuff growing out of my manly nose warts

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:18:09pm

re: #90 dog philosopher

“Embracing chest hair is also a reaction to the crisis in masculinity,” she said. “Refusing to trim or shave or wax your chest, and instead let it creep out of the top of your shirt, is a way of shunning the manscaping trend and giving off a signal that you’re a manly man.”

Who said that? Sounds like Naomi Wolf.

99 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:19:08pm

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

Who said that? Sounds like Naomi Wolf.

today.com

100 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:19:55pm

A while back I mentioned my nerdy classmate who became filthy rich by liking comic books before comic books were cool. I heard from him recently. He is seriously considering signing up with Virgin Galactic for one of their suborbital space rides. I was frank about the possible hazards but I suggested he go for it. He then suggested that I might want to do it myself (!). Having been a space buff all my life, literally since before Sputnik, I have always nursed an ambition to go there myself and had given some idle thought to the suborbital ride. It is an awesome idea, in the truest sense, but holy jumping jelly beans, it costs 250K for a few minutes in actual space.
In theory I could do it, but unlike my comic book friend, I would have to consider it a seriously major expenditure. I have never dropped that much for anything personal except my new home, let alone for something that won’t last for decades. Still, considering the frivolous crap I see the idle rich (and not so rich) spending that much and more on, it doesn’t look so bad. Backed by 50+ years of day dreaming, analysis, and pure desire, the experience could be rich beyond imagining. It could also leave me disappointed and space sick or maybe even as a crater in the desert. It would also damage my carefully cultivated reputation as a tight wad and miser (growing up poor will do that sometimes). An unexpected windfall gain in some of my investments might swing the decision. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket.

101 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:20:15pm

“The Thinking Person’s Stylist”
annaakbari.com

102 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:21:26pm
103 prairiefire  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:22:38pm

re: #96 RealityBasedSteve

and I guess that there are no Gay Hairy Men in that case. [Massive_Eye_Roll]

RBS

I believe they are called “bears.”

104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:23:03pm

re: #102 Gus

why is he addressing all those empty barstools?

105 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:23:16pm

The year-end tweets are lining up.

106 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:24:05pm

re: #104 Sol Berdinowitz

why is he addressing all those empty barstools?

He thinks he’s Clint Eastwood.

107 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:24:06pm
108 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:29:05pm
109 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:29:27pm
110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:31:07pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I guess I’m not manly because I have chest hair that ceases well below my shirt collar.

Reveal your armpits! Show the world that you are still a manly man!

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:31:17pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

Do not misinterpret my upding to imply encouragement for heading into the stratosphere, or however high that thing will go.

But if it leaves from Spaceport America, wave when you get above the desert.

112 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:32:16pm
113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:36:30pm
114 Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:40:28pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

I think that a trip like that would be WAY COOL! (Buy that lottery ticket!)

115 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:43:30pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reveal your armpits! Show the world that you are still a manly man!

Well I was thinking of posting a picture of Amanda Palmer but I changed my mind.

(Please have SAFE SEARCH on if you Google)

116 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:43:32pm

re: #49 Gus

Is that Neil Peart??!!

117 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:43:37pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

Have the flights already started going up?

118 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:44:04pm

re: #116 Kid A

Is that Neil Peart??!!

Don’t know who that is.

119 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:44:13pm

This is really sad, but she is brain dead and there really isn’t any hope of bringing her back.

Deadline Looms to Take Jahi McMath off Ventilator

nbcbayarea.com

“About 30 minutes after the surgery, Jahi started coughing up blood and suffered a heart attack. She was declared brain dead for the first time on Dec. 12. Two Children’s Hospital doctors came to that conclusion.

“So did Dr. Paul Graham Fisher, Stanford School of Medicine Chief of Pediatric Neurology, who was appointed by Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo to be an independent reviewer into the case. He presented his findings to the court on Dec. 24.

“Fisher said there was “electrocerebral silence,” along with no eye movement, no vocalization, no gag reflex and no spinal reflex, among other things listed in his redacted notes obtained by NBC Bay Area. “Overall, unfortunate circumstances in 13-year-old with known, irreversible brain injury and non complete absence of cerebral function and complete absence of brainstem function, child meets all criteria for brain death,” Fisher wrote.”

In spite of a judge declaring her legally dead, her family, who are devout christians, claim that because her heart is still beating, she is alive. State law says that brain death is the same as death.

120 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:47:30pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

This is really sad, but she is brain dead and there really isn’t any hope of bringing her back.

Deadline Looms to Take Jahi McMath off Ventilator

nbcbayarea.com

“About 30 minutes after the surgery, Jahi started coughing up blood and suffered a heart attack. She was declared brain dead for the first time on Dec. 12. Two Children’s Hospital doctors came to that conclusion.

“So did Dr. Paul Graham Fisher, Stanford School of Medicine Chief of Pediatric Neurology, who was appointed by Alameda County Superior Court Judge Evelio Grillo to be an independent reviewer into the case. He presented his findings to the court on Dec. 24.

“Fisher said there was “electrocerebral silence,” along with no eye movement, no vocalization, no gag reflex and no spinal reflex, among other things listed in his redacted notes obtained by NBC Bay Area. “Overall, unfortunate circumstances in 13-year-old with known, irreversible brain injury and non complete absence of cerebral function and complete absence of brainstem function, child meets all criteria for brain death,” Fisher wrote.”

In spite of a judge declaring her legally dead, her family, who are devout christians, claim that because her heart is still beating, she is alive. State law says that brain death is the same as death.

One of those times I’m thankful that Dubya’s no longer in the White House.

121 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:47:49pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

Ugh, that’s a cruddy situation. Her heart may still beat but without that ventilator she won’t stay alive, if she can even be classified as alive at the moment.

122 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:48:57pm

re: #118 Gus

Don’t know who that is.

Pretty similar!

123 thedopefishlives  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:49:54pm

Evening Lizardim.

124 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:50:09pm

Of note:

Dana Smith, a PhD in psychology from the the University of Cambridge and a science writer for Brain Study, wrote that “complete brain death - as in the case of young Jahi - is very different from vegetative state or minimal consciousness; there is never any recovery from brain death.”

“There is no evidence of anyone ever recovering from brain death,” Smith told NBC Bay Area by phone on Monday. “They are, for all intents and purposes, no longer alive.”

125 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:50:13pm

re: #120 Targetpractice

One of the most disgraceful acts (Schiavo) from the party of individual liberty and family values.

126 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:51:58pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Of note:

I can’t believe this really needs to be explained to people in 2013.

127 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:53:02pm

re: #126 Gus

I can’t believe this really needs to be explained to people in 2013.

Well there’s the “God can heal all” crowd but when you consider there has never been a recorded case of brain death recovery..

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:53:10pm

#libertarianismin4words is now trending at # 1

129 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:53:11pm

re: #126 Gus

I can’t believe this really needs to be explained to people in 2013.

Why not? These people believe Jesus walked with dinosaurs, for fuck’s sake.

130 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:54:56pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

131 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:55:40pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Well there’s the “God can heal all” crowd but when you consider there has never been a recorded case of brain death recovery..

So, you’re saying there’s a chance.
//

132 thedopefishlives  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:55:52pm

re: #131 Kid A

So, you’re saying there’s a chance.
//

That’s exactly what one of these would say.

133 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:56:07pm

re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I was thinking of posting a picture of Amanda Palmer but I changed my mind.

(Please have SAFE SEARCH on if you Google)

She is a worn looking 37. Had to look her up—wow, what an ego.

134 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:56:48pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

She is a worn looking 37. Had to look her up—wow, what an ego.

I don’t think she looks that bad for her age.

135 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:57:00pm
136 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:57:02pm

#libertarianismin4words middle managers going Galt.

137 Kid A  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:57:07pm
138 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:58:03pm

Even if you believe God could heal her, how long do you pray for it before you realize that maybe He’s letting this one be?

139 simoom  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 4:58:53pm

Made a quick page noting some inconsistencies between the Snowden narrative presented in the Gellman interview and the one Greenwald has put forward (on whether or not there’s a “dead man’s switch” and whether or not Snowden ever had the document trove in Russia):

littlegreenfootballs.com

140 Stanley Sea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:00:49pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

#libertarianismin4words is now trending at # 1

My favorite:

141 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:02:00pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

She is a worn looking 37. Had to look her up—wow, what an ego.

She started out flashing her hairy armpits at the camera.

That wasn’t enough, then she had to flash her pubes.

Miley Cyrus she ain’t.

142 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:05:22pm
143 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:06:10pm

re: #142 Gus

Fair warning, I guess.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:06:38pm

re: #142 Gus

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Just saw that. “Less than human.” This fucker is becoming more Nazi-like every day.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:06:38pm

re: #142 Gus

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Eric is pretty far from God then.

146 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:07:36pm

Look at all those godless heathens!

147 Skip Intro  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:07:43pm

re: #142 Gus

So Eric believes in evolution?

148 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:08:10pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Just saw that. “Less than human.” This fucker is becoming more Nazi-like every day.

Gott Mit Uns

149 RealityBasedSteve  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:08:12pm

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Even if you believe God could heal her, how long do you pray for it before you realize that maybe He’s letting this one be?

That’s something I’ve never really understood. The idea of getting a lot of people to pray for something like that. Is it a case where there is a Critical Mass of prayer above which God changes his mind? Is it like small children on a car trip “We Want ICE CREAM!!! We Want ICE CREAM!!!” until Dad gives up and buys them an ice cream to shut them up?

What if a person didn’t have a lot of friends? Is he SOOL?

RBS

150 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:09:00pm
151 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:10:35pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Have the flights already started going up?

Not yet. There have been many delays, mostly because Rutan and Branson want to make sure everything is as safe as humanly possible. They should finally start in 2014 though.

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:11:56pm
153 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:12:21pm

HURR HURR

154 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:12:56pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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No shit, when does Erick start calling us “untermensch”?

155 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:13:37pm

This is Erickson’s schtick - drop a deliberately extreme comment that sounds like it could have come straight out of Mein Kampf, then act like he’s being persecuted when he gets the inevitable pushback. Tedious.

156 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:14:13pm

OK. I’m laughing now.

158 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:14:58pm

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

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Doesn’t matter who said it. I can look him up on Wikipedia. I am also capable of thinking NT Wright is wrong, whether I am ‘familiar’ with him or not.

159 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:15:16pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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Supreme Leader of Iran

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:15:33pm

HURR HURR

161 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:16:41pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

This is Erickson’s schtick - drop a deliberately extreme comment that sounds like it could have come straight out of Mein Kampf, then act like he’s being persecuted when he gets the inevitable pushback. Tedious.

HURR HURR I WAS JUST QUOTING TEH GOSPELS!!!1111

162 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:17:40pm
163 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:18:51pm

re: #141 Pie-onist Overlord

She started out flashing her hairy armpits at the camera.

That wasn’t enough, then she had to flash her pubes.

Miley Cyrus she ain’t.

WTFITS? Minimal talent night?

Youtube Video

164 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:20:06pm

re: #162 Pie-onist Overlord

but what do the people become after they are “less than human”?

back to mud, i suppose…

“ashes to ashes, dust to dust
if the likker don’t getcha, the wimmens must”

165 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:20:13pm
166 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:22:35pm

Well there’s a reason he’s on Erick’s reading list:

Wright attracted media attention in December 2005 when he announced to the press, on the day that the first civil partnership ceremonies took place in England, that he would be likely to take disciplinary action against any clergy registering as civil partners or any clergy blessing such partnerships.[36]

He has argued that “Justice never means ‘treating everybody the same way’, but ‘treating people appropriately’”.
en.wikipedia.org

167 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:25:43pm
168 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

This is Erickson’s schtick - drop a deliberately extreme comment that sounds like it could have come straight out of Mein Kampf, then act like he’s being persecuted when he gets the inevitable pushback. Tedious.

Here’s the actual quote from N.T. Wright:

My suggestion is that it is possible for human beings so to continue down this road, so to refuse all whisperings of good news, all glimmers of the true light, all promptings to turn and go the other way, all signposts to the love of God, that after death they become at last, by their own effective choice, beings that once were human but now are not, creatures that have ceased to bear the divine image at all. With the death of that body in which they inhabited God’s good world, in which the flickering flame of goodness had not been completely snuffed out, they pass simultaneously not only beyond hope but also beyond pity. There is no concentration camp in the beautiful countryside, no torture chamber in the palace of delight. Those creatures that still exist in an ex-human state, no longer reflecting their maker in any meaningful sense, can no longer excite, in themselves or others, the natural sympathy some feel even for the hardened criminal.

You can read more passages that set up a larger context here.

169 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:27:46pm

re: #168 Lidane

That’s a pretty horrible passage.

170 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:28:23pm

re: #168 Lidane

beings that once were human but now are not

“i believe you were once something very much like a hobbit…”

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:29:00pm

re: #168 Lidane

Here’s the actual quote from N.T. Wright:

You can read more passages that set up a larger context here.

And then co-opting the Holocaust. What a….
what a….
I can’t think of the word.

172 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:29:40pm

re: #168 Lidane

Here’s the actual quote from N.T. Wright:

You can read more passages that set up a larger context here.

positively sociopathic

173 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:29:53pm

re: #171 Pie-onist Overlord

And then co-opting the Holocaust. What a….
what a….
I can’t think of the word.

Douche nozzle?

174 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:30:16pm
He has argued that “Justice never means ‘treating everybody the same way’, but ‘treating people appropriately’*”.

*for certain values of appropriate that correspond to the drives and interests of NT Wright, in so much as they overlap with the drives and interests of Erik Erikson.

Appropriateness is not for everyone. Pregnant women, sodomites, and godless socialist types may not experience of any results from appropriateness. A small number of people—sluts—may experience negative side effects from appropriateness.

175 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:30:26pm

re: #168 Lidane

Here’s the actual quote from N.T. Wright:

You can read more passages that set up a larger context here.

At least it says that it happens AFTER DEATH. Erickson is talking about live people. So it is Erick who needs to read and learn.

What a holy shit.

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:30:30pm

Fuck Bucket.

177 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:32:26pm

re: #168 Lidane

Some key words at the end of that piece:

I suppose some will be bothered by his words, but they are merely reflections and contemplations as he ponders the lack of specific, direct biblical teaching on hell-the final judgment but on how much God is committed to making all things right in the newly created heavens and earth.

The lack of specific, direct biblical teaching is apparently no deterrent to theological pronouncements.

178 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:32:48pm

DON’T U LIBRULS REALIZE TEH CHRISTIANS IS TEH VICTIMS!!!!111!!

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:33:28pm

BUT WE’LL BE LAUGHING ARE ASS OF WHEN UR BURNIN IN HELL

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:33:56pm

re: #178 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T U LIBRULS REALIZE TEH CHRISTIANS IS TEH VICTIMS!!!!111!!

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Gee Erick, taking a line out of context and then being shocked when people get the wrong impression. It’s almost like you were…were…what’s word? Oh right, attention-whoring.

181 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:35:29pm

I know there was some confusion about that sticky post on the front page, so I made some more changes to set it apart from the rest of the posts.

One thing I changed is that the timestamp is no longer shown, so it doesn’t look like a post from a couple of days ago that somehow got out of sequence. I also made the font size one step smaller overall, and put it inside a 3-pixel green border. I think this should reduce the confusion factor.

182 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:36:31pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

That’s a pretty horrible passage.

No argument here. But Wright says that this dehumanization happens after death while Erick, Son of Erick applies it to the living. That’s worse.

183 Stanley Sea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:37:04pm
184 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:37:15pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

That looks like my gut except mines hairy!! J/K I lost 40 lbs this year. Never waxed my gut but I have had my back waxed. :p

185 dog philosopher  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:38:05pm

LAWS DEALING WITH transgender students, drones and placentas are just a few of the thousands of new rules and regulations going into effect this week

um so are the drones monitoring what the transgender students are doing with the placentas?

186 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:39:41pm

re: #184 Amory Blaine

Geez, sometimes it seems like I’ll upding anything.

That was for the weight loss, not ANY OTHER PART OF THAT COMMENT.

187 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:40:03pm

re: #182 Lidane

No argument here. But Wright says that this dehumanization happens after death while Erick, Son of Erick applies it to the living. That’s worse.

True. But in both cases, what we’re seeing is basically a self-righteous revenge fantasy, driven by a need to feel superior.

188 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:40:20pm

Let us turn to the Chapter of Jim-Bob…

189 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:40:21pm

Eegad!

I just looked at the Daily Fail article linked on the previous string.
Global warming scientists forced to admit defeat… because of too much ice: Stranded Antarctic ship’s crew will be rescued by helicopter

How farking stupid are these people? Did climate scientists ever say it was now impossible for very slightly unseasonable variations in ice density to strand a ship in Antarctica? They obviously don’t have a clue how Antarctic navigation works or what the history is. The US Navy has ALWAYS thought it prudent to use heavy icebreakers (many times more capable than the stranded cruise ship) to lead the way for its annual re-supply convoys to McMurdo Station. The reporters could have found out easily enough, but that would spoil their derp narrative.

190 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:40:27pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

Ha! Behold my manly hairy gut!!

191 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:40:31pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

Gee Erick, taking a line out of context and then being shocked when people get the wrong impression. It’s almost like you were…were…what’s word? Oh right, attention-whoring.

YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKED DECONTEXTUALIZATION, SO I PUT A *redacted* IN YOUR *redacted*

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:41:58pm

re: #190 Amory Blaine

No ding for you!

193 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:42:12pm
194 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:43:02pm

Was defendant in landmark abortion case.

Kenneth C. Edelin, Doctor In Abortion Case, Dies at 74

nytimes.com

“Dr. Edelin (pronounced EE-da-lin) was charged with causing the death of the fetus of an unwed 17-year-old during an elective abortion in her sixth month of pregnancy. In a six-week trial in Boston that explored uncharted legal ground and made headlines across the country, Dr. Edelin, who was black, was vilified as a baby-killer and defended as a victim of racial and religious prejudice being tried for an action that had never been defined as a crime: killing a fetus that may or may not have been a “person,” and whose rights had never been specified by law.

(snip)

“But the all-white 12-member jury, which included nine men and 10 Roman Catholics, convicted Dr. Edelin of manslaughter. Some jurors said later that the photo of the dead fetus, whose face, they said, looked distorted as if in pain, had been decisive in their decision to vote guilty. An alternate juror also said after the verdict that jurors had made racial slurs against Dr. Edelin “more than once” before closing arguments.

“The presiding judge, who had instructed the jury that it could convict only if it believed that the fetus was a viable person and that the doctor had acted recklessly, sentenced Dr. Edelin to one year of probation, although he could have imposed a maximum of 20 years in prison. Dr. Edelin kept his medical license and continued to practice at Boston City Hospital. “

195 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:45:13pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

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And her name also contains an okina, a Polynesian-style glottal stop. Get down, Janice.

196 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:46:11pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Her friends just call her “Lokelani.”

197 teleskiguy  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:50:07pm

I don’t know, I think this shirt is hilarious.

198 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:51:47pm

New Study Finds that Raising Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Create Jobs, Grow Economy by $22 Billion

A new analysis points out that a raise in the minimum wage would boost the economy and provide relief for the the working poor.

According to the Economic Policy Institute, the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013, a bill introduced by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.) that would raise the federal minimum wage in three incremental increases of $0.95 from its current level of $7.25 per hour to $10.10 per hour, would affect 27.8 million workers, directly or indirectly distributing $35 billion in additional wages over the phase-in period to the working class.

199 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:52:04pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

True. But in both cases, what we’re seeing is basically a self-righteous revenge fantasy, driven by a need to feel superior.

Sure. It’s the consequence of building an entire faith system on an eternal reward/punishment system.

200 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:52:05pm

Later, lizards.

201 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:52:28pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

He’ll never land it.

202 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:53:48pm

Btw, the stranded ship, MV Akademik Shokalskiy, is a pipsqueak compared to the heavy icebreakers used in the area, or even to the supply ships that make the annual “Deep Freeze” run to McMurdo.
The largest US Coast Guard icebreaker, the USCGC Healy, has nearly 10 times the tonnage and is nearly twice as long.
Shokalsky is not an icebreaker. It is, rather, an ice strengthened ship, with some ability to resist damage by floating sea ice, but none to break through solid packs of it.

203 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:53:50pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

That’s a pretty horrible passage.

Thing is, N. T. Wright is often condemned himself by fundamentalists, because to them he is too modern while also being too non-Protestant.

204 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 5:56:59pm

It would not be out of character for Eric son of Erick to not understand what he is quoting.

205 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:00:30pm
206 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:01:52pm

Mah surprise, etc. —

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:04:43pm

HURR HURR

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:05:10pm

HURR HURR

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:05:42pm

The really scary thing is that if/when Rush retires, Erick is in line to take his place.

210 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:08:44pm

re: #206 Lidane

Mah surprise, etc. —

Also featured:

- a stone that Obama once tripped on! It has special insights into the Benghazi scandal!
- Men in powdered wigs! The true masters of the Constitution!
- A camel that can detect gay people!
- A small group of brown people willing to confirm your suspicion that all other brown people are ungrateful.
- C-list celebrities seeking a reinvigorated career via the economic pipeline inherent in a continuous-outrage-based entertainment program
- Ted Nugent, performing music about inappropriate sexual relationships with minors!

211 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:09:17pm

On that evolution poll report by Pew, many news stories are still not getting it quite right.

For example, Reuters:


One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

One-third of Americans reject the idea of evolution and Republicans have grown more skeptical about it, according to a poll released on Monday.

Sixty percent of Americans say that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” the telephone survey by the Pew Research Center’s Religion and Public Life Project showed (Click here for the full survey).

But 33 percent reject the idea of evolution, saying that “humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time,” Pew said in a statement.

However, an important point: the majority of Americans reject the Theory of Evolution.

From Pew:

About half of those who express a belief in human evolution take the view that evolution is “due to natural processes such as natural selection” (32% of the American public overall). But many Americans believe that God or a supreme being played a role in the process of evolution. Indeed, roughly a quarter of adults (24%) say that “a supreme being guided the evolution of living things for the purpose of creating humans and other life in the form it exists today.”

What I put in boldface is referring to the Theory of Evolution.

The second part, the goddidit part - is not the Theory of Evolution, though Biologos would like to confuse people into thinking so.

While one can argue that the delusion that denies biological changes over billions of years is a stronger delusion than simply thinking that goddidit as a way to clinging to a magickal process, the latter too is not a modern concept in the sense used in science.

212 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:11:45pm

re: #203 freetoken

Thing is, N. T. Wright is often condemned himself by fundamentalists, because to them he is too modern while also being too non-Protestant.

That’s what I find so interesting. I’m not surprised that Erick Son of Erick takes Wright out of context. I’m more surprised that he’s using Wright as a source at all. Wright has scoffed at the idea of the Rapture and he’s been crticized for ages by fundies for being too liberal. You’d think his ideas would be anathema to Erick in the first place.

213 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:11:48pm

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

“About the only thing worse than an antagonizing atheist is the Christian who never speaks except to say he’d have spoken differently.”
— St. Victim McVictimhoody of the Troubled Heart

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:14:27pm

re: #213 jaunte

“About the only thing worse than an antagonizing atheist is the Christian who never speaks except to say he’d have spoken differently.”
— St. Victim McVictimhoody of the Troubled Heart

Da fuq does that even mean?

215 jaunte  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:15:09pm

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

I guess he thinks not enough Christians are rushing to his defense.

216 Gus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:16:35pm

Emmylou Harris - Pancho and Lefty

Youtube Video

217 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:16:53pm

In fact, the Pew poll found that over 4 year the percentage of Americans accepting the Theory of Evolution has not increased at all:


Humans and other living things have evolved over time:

Humans and other living things have evolved due to natural processes such as natural selection
2013 __ 2009
32 ____ 32

218 Lidane  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:17:10pm

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

Da fuq does that even mean?

It means that he’s getting pushback from people who think he’s doing Christianity wrong.

219 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:19:49pm

Headline writers - an art.

The artists at CBS declare:

Poll: Solid Majority Of Americans Believe In Evolution

Um, no.

220 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:20:00pm

re: #203 freetoken

Thing is, N. T. Wright is often condemned himself by fundamentalists, because to them he is too modern while also being too non-Protestant.

Why should we pay any more attention to what N.T. Wright says than to, for example, Bill Cosby?

221 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:21:35pm

re: #220 b_sharp

I just find it more than ironic that Erickson would so publicly want to cozy up to N. T. Wright.

I suspect Erickson just doesn’t understand what Wright wrote. Similarly to Erickson’s piece on Christmas, which was mostly listed from a magazine article a year earlier.

222 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:23:19pm

Religious right:

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!

223 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:24:06pm

re: #221 freetoken

I just find it more than ironic that Erickson would so publicly want to cozy up to N. T. Wright.

I suspect Erickson just doesn’t understand what Wright wrote. Similarly to Erickson’s piece on Christmas, which was mostly listed from a magazine article a year earlier.

Are you suggesting Erickson can’t think for himself?

224 freetoken  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:26:20pm

re: #223 b_sharp

Are you suggesting Erickson can’t think for himself?

Heavens, no.

I’m sure he picks out his own cereal in the morning.

225 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:27:39pm
226 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:28:02pm

re: #224 freetoken

Heavens, no.

I’m sure he picks out his own cereal in the morning.

As long as his choices are restricted to only one type of cereal.

227 William of Orange  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:32:54pm
228 calochortus  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 6:52:24pm

re: #207 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Because Twitter is the perfect place to discuss a complex theological question?

229 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 7:53:26pm

re: #73 b.d.

Ways the NSA could have given radioactive cancer bombs to Chavez:

1.) In a fried plantain from NSA agent posing as street vendor.

Arepa.

230 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 8:09:52pm

re: #34 b_sharp

I made the mistake of going over there, and finding this:

Neo Nazi Dad demands child services hand back his baby girl named Eva Braun

And of course they’re in the U.S.
Oh why did I click the link?

231 People For The Ethical Treatment Of Sarah Palin  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 8:14:42pm

re: #40 Sol Berdinowitz

I agree, The Christian Fundamentalists I know, wouldn’t much care about this.
Israel, as we know it, and Jews (who do not convert) are doomed anyways.

232 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Dec 30, 2013 8:15:12pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I first learned about Bill Cosby at Navy bootcamp, when I became friends with Ray W. who was a teammate of Cosby at Temple.

Ray would recite some Cosby’s routines and make us laugh.

He told me that Cosby was so funny, even after the team lost games, that the football coach forbade Cosby from making jokes on the team bus.

I never realized that Cosby was black until I bought his first album.

233 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Dec 31, 2013 6:25:20am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

I have to admit, I’m surprised at the RW’ers silence on the matter.

I’m waiting for their Norman moment.

234 Flavia  Wed, Jan 1, 2014 11:13:04pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

Thanks, I needed that.

I also need my husband to keep every strand of his chest hair. The rest of you can do anything you like!

Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year to you all!


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