Did Edward Snowden Lie About His Contacts With Chinese Intelligence?

He may have been more than just a “whistle-blower”
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A Daily Beast article by Gordon Chang has some explosive allegations about Edward Snowden’s possible connections to Chinese intelligence: Snowden Lied About China Contacts.

“I have had no contact with the Chinese government,” Snowden wrote in a Q&A on the Guardian website while taking refuge in Hong Kong in June. “I only work with journalists.”

That’s far short of the truth. By the time he wrote those words in the online chat, Snowden, according to one of my sources in Hong Kong, had at least one “high-level contact” with Chinese officials there. Those officials suggested he give an interview to the South China Morning Post, the most prominent English-language newspaper in Hong Kong. This is significant because, as the Post noted, Snowden turned over to the paper documents that contained detailed technical information on the NSA’s methods. Included in these documents were Hong Kong and Chinese IP addresses that the NSA was surveilling. The disclosure of those addresses was not whistle-blowing; that was aiding China.

[…]

One of my sources indicates that Chinese intelligence, either directly or through FBI personnel working for China, tipped Snowden off that NSA investigators were closing in on him.

Moreover, evidence suggests that Beijing orchestrated Snowden’s flight from Hong Kong. Albert Ho, one of Snowden’s lawyers, believes Chinese authorities contacted him through an intermediary to pass a message that it was time for Snowden to leave the city. “I have reasons to believe that… those who wanted him to leave represented Beijing authorities,” he was quoted as saying.

[…]

Beijing may also have encouraged Snowden to leave Hawaii. One of my sources indicates that Chinese intelligence, either directly or through FBI personnel working for China, tipped Snowden off that NSA investigators were closing in on him.

Gordon Chang appears to have significant connections in China, but I’m a bit skeptical of this article because of the anonymous sourcing — and the headline does appear to overstate the case. Still, these scenarios are certainly not unthinkable or ludicrous … even though Glenn Greenwald wants you to think so:

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120 comments
1 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:01:29pm

Lapdog Hayes has gotten particularly obnoxious, he makes Sirota look like a content insider.

2 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:01:44pm

No, Glenn, Chris, what’s outrageous is that you guys want us to believe that Mr. Snowden is pure as snow and would never do anything malicious. That’s what is outrageous. I don’t know if these stories are true either but you’re right, they’re hardly the outrage that GG and Chris Hayes want them to be.

3 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:02:01pm
“I have had no contact with the Chinese government,” Snowden wrote in a Q&A on the Guardian website while taking refuge in Hong Kong in June. “I only work with journalists.”

Because he knows who employs everyone in China.

4 darthstar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:02:09pm
5 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:02:36pm

Snow Den Lai

6 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:02:40pm

re: #3 jaunte

Because he knows who employs everyone in China.

Right………..

7 darthstar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:05:25pm

Snowden also jailbroke 4,732 Apple 5S iPhones and sewed 23,000 pairs of Nike shoes in his brief stay in Hong Kong, but does anyone talk about that? Nooo…it’s all, “He went to the Chinese and gave away our secrets!” Puhleeze.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:06:11pm


Project much? It’s hard to trust anything coming from Greenwald, considering the lengths to which he’ll go to parse things he’s written to distance himself from Snowden when it suits him, and for pushing his agenda of undermining and dismantling the US intel infrastructure by any means available.

It goes back to the initial reporting where he was claiming blockbuster and exclusive reporting, which turned out to be news we learned of years earlier.

Claims of the NSA running amok turned out to be anything but.

Why again are we trusting Greenwald here?

That’s not to say to blindly trust any other reporter or the US government in this matter, but Snowden’s actions are anything but purely altruistic here.

He’s no whistleblower. He engaged in espionage.

If he feels he’s going to be proven correct, let him face US justice and come in from the cold (literally and figuratively, though at the moment, NYC may actually be on par with his Russian dacha). But no immunity to come back, and it will be up to the president down the line to consider clemency after he goes through the judicial process.

9 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:08:20pm

China’s government is highly intrusive into the media, and Internet communications. It’s a reasonable assertion that the information provided to the Hong Kong media will find its way into the hands of the Chinese intel services - whether directly or by the Chinese intel services checking journalists’ sites.

10 darthstar  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:09:12pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Just come back and have the celebrity trial already. “If the thumb drive don’t fit you must acquit!” It’s guaranteed to distract the media from the last three years of the Obama administration and quite possibly the 2016 elections (which would probably be a good thing for the GOP).

11 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:09:19pm

Matt Taibbi weights in on Brooks:
Yuppie Prohibition League Denounces Pot Legalization

Yet here they come, luminaries like MSNBC host Joe Scarborough, publishing mogul Tina Brown, and Yale blowhard-in-residence David Brooks, all hot to build a Wall of Decency around the New American Menace. They are the 21st-century version of the Anti-Saloon League, gathering now to denounce the perils of the legal recreational joint.

12 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:10:56pm

re: #11 FemNaziBitch

Matt Taibbi weights in on Brooks:
Yuppie Prohibition League Denounces Pot Legalization

Good piece, thanks.

13 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:11:04pm

Please just kill me now:

14 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:11:56pm

re: #13 b.d.

Please just kill me now:

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This one time I thought Ed Snowden was like Rosa Parks, MLK. Gandhi, and Jesus all in one! Oh wait.

15 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:12:40pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Good piece, thanks.

Taibbi nails it as usual. Also Posted

16 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:12:57pm

re: #13 b.d.

Please just kill me now:

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How did Hayes get where he is? I see no value in what he says.

17 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:13:15pm

re: #16 b_sharp

How did Hayes get where he is? I see no value in what he says.

See also: David Sirota.

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:13:29pm
19 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:15:07pm

I’d seriously consider contributing to the first politician who says “Yes I smoked marijuana and I don’t care if I did. It’s ridiculous that this is still illegal in 2014.”

20 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:15:12pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Almost makes me want to start smoking weed just to drown them out.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:15:24pm

I wasn’t gonna post on this thread, but I was high,
I was going watch stuff on Youtube instead, but I was high,
Now I’m pissed at David Brooks and I know why…

22 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:17:52pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

I’d seriously considering contributing to the first politician who says “Yes I smoked marijuana and I don’t care if I did. It’s ridiculous that this is still illegal in 2014.”

Rob Ford’s re-election committee for you on line 3.

23 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:18:32pm

re: #13 b.d.

Please just kill me now:

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24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:18:57pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Rob Ford’s re-election committee for you on line 3.

I’ll be honest. I actually to admire how blunt he’s been on that issue. Still seems like a scumbag tho.

25 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:19:44pm

re: #23 b.d.

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Somebody needs to tell him not to waste our time.

26 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:19:48pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I’ll be honest. I actually to admire how blunt he’s been on that issue. Still seems like a scumbag tho.

Lacks Marion Barry’s panache.

27 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:20:26pm

Dear God, is this really a story in 2014? The legions of yuppies and their Boomer parents nattering at length about smoking pot when they were in college or being disgusted at stoner friends? Because I’ll stop them right there, I had stoner friends, and not all of them were brain-dead idiots. Okay, most of them were, but that’s not the point…

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:22:31pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Dear God, is this really a story in 2014? The legions of yuppies and their Boomer parents nattering at length about smoking pot when they were in college or being disgusted at stoner friends? Because I’ll stop them right there, I had stoner friends, and not all of them were brain-dead idiots. Okay, most of them were, but that’s not the point…

Makes me glad I had the parents I did.

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:22:35pm

Greenwald’s really worked up into a lather over this story. Tweeting over and over about it.

30 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:23:21pm

Really, I think the stupid idea of the year goes to PETA.

also Posted State of Illinois (not a great advocate of hunting rights) agrees.

31 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:24:06pm

re: #23 b.d.

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ROTFLAMO!!!

32 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:24:32pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Lacks Marion Barry’s panache.

Good ol’ Marion.

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:24:39pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Greenwald’s really worked up into a lather over this story. Tweeting over and over about it.

Please try to avoid using “Greenwald” and “lather” together in a sentence again. That’s one potential mental image I do NOT need.

34 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:25:26pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Dear God, is this really a story in 2014? The legions of yuppies and their Boomer parents nattering at length about smoking pot when they were in college or being disgusted at stoner friends? Because I’ll stop them right there, I had stoner friends, and not all of them were brain-dead idiots. Okay, most of them were, but that’s not the point…

Yes, they are sinners who have repented.

They now worship the one true god and are prosperous because of it. Don’t you want to be just like them?

35 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:25:58pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Makes me glad I had the parents I did.

My father is unrepentant to this day about his drug usage in days gone by. He had his fun, he burned out a few brain cells, and then he dropped it all after he got married and started a family. I’ve never received a lecture about avoiding drug usage, but a lot of amusing stories about the shit he got away with while high back in the day.

36 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:25:59pm

Chinese Intelligence

i’m not completely convinced that any humans are intelligent

37 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:26:26pm

Hahahahahahaha

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:26:36pm

He appears to be trying to get the Daily Beast to retract it.

39 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:27:25pm

The whole thing we’re seeing with marijuana reminds me a lot of what you see from abstinence only advocates. The whole “Do as I say not as I have done.” You want kids to stay away from pot? The last thing you should be doing is telling them they’ll ruin their lives forever if they try it. That’s pretty much the message we got in school. Grateful and I mean grateful that my Dad told my brothers and I otherwise. I never feared trying pot and I have never abused pot for that matter either.

40 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:27:34pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I can’t wait to hear Greenwald’s “when I smoked pot” story when he gets one.

41 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:27:50pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

My father is unrepentant to this day about his drug usage in days gone by. He had his fun, he burned out a few brain cells, and then he dropped it all after he got married and started a family. I’ve never received a lecture about avoiding drug usage, but a lot of amusing stories about the shit he got away with while high back in the day.

Yep same deal.

42 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:28:14pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

Yes, they are sinners who have repented.

They now worship the one true god and are prosperous because of it. Don’t you want to be just like them?

God and I had a falling out about the time I realized he wasn’t going to make me an award-winning physicist at NASA, no matter how hard I prayed.

43 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:28:24pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

He appears to be trying to get the Daily Beast to retract it.

Irony meter broke when Glenn tried to claim who is a reporter and who is not one.

44 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:29:28pm

re: #37 b.d.

Hahahahahahaha

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Anybody wanna remind Glenn that, when the initial “bombshells” fell, they were attributed to an anonymous source with years of experience in the NSA?

45 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:29:53pm

I used to smoke pot, but decided I couldn’t be an adult and a good parent if I continued. I quit drinking alcohol at the same time and for the same reason.

My kid is grown, I am old and in pain.

and I’m a little pissed that in the last 20 years no university or pharmaceutical company has been allowed to investigate ways to harvest the best properties of weed.

It’s just freakin’ stupid.

46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:30:16pm

re: #43 b.d.

Irony meter broke when Glenn tried to claim who is a reporter and who is not one.

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. I mean I understand the objection behind unnamed sources but at the same time, you know if this story were painting Ed in a positive light and the writer had did the same thing and had the same creds, Greenie would be running with it as the gospel. Greenwald only wants Snowden portrayed in a positive light and flips his shit everytime someone dares to point out that Snowden’s motives and doings weren’t always in the U.S’s best interests.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:30:33pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

He appears to be trying to get the Daily Beast to retract it.

It’s lack of on-the-record sources is problematic, its a fact, although the Daily Beast does not have reputation for abusing such stories as does Fox News. They need to get some harder facts together soon, but for the moment they should just tell Glenn The Drama Queen to go soak his head.

48 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:30:55pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

God and I had a falling out about the time I realized he wasn’t going to make me an award-winning physicist at NASA, no matter how hard I prayed.

But he made up and made you a premier power forward in the NBA didn’t he?

RBS

49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:31:41pm

re: #43 b.d.

Irony meter broke when Glenn tried to claim who is a reporter and who is not one.

I wouldn’t say he has “no reportorial background” - he’s a columnist for Forbes and has published in many other spots. But another reason I’m skeptical about his allegations is that he’s also been a guest on the Glenn Beck show.

But then, Greenwald’s been a guest on Eric Bolling’s Fox News show more than once, so he’s kind of living in a glass house with that one.

50 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:31:50pm

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

But he made up and made you a premier power forward in the NBA didn’t he?

RBS

He couldn’t even make me a journeyman middle reliever in the MLB. Pouts.

51 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:31:54pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

I used to smoke pot, but decided I couldn’t be an adult and a good parent if I continued. I quit drinking alcohol at the same time and for the same reason.

My kid is grown, I am old and in pain.

and I’m a little pissed that in the last 20 years no university or pharmaceutical company has been allowed to investigate ways to harvest the best properties of weed.

It’s just freakin’ stupid.

Marinol:

en.wikipedia.org

52 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:33:02pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I wouldn’t say he has “no reportorial background” - he’s a columnist for Forbes and has published in many other spots. But another reason I’m skeptical about his allegations is that he’s also been a guest on the Glenn Beck show.

But then, Greenwald’s been a guest on Eric Bolling’s Fox News show more than once, so he’s kind of living in a glass house with that one.

He has no license from the David Miranda School of Famous Journalists.

53 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:33:51pm

Latest insanity from the lone batshit teabagger in my Facebook feed:
1) Obama’s birth certificate contains words that were not around in 1961, and
2) a “warning” from a “Nazi survivor” who “sees a parallel between 1930s Germany and the US today” who says, natch, that Americans must keep their guns and stockpile more guns. (No word on whether this “survivor” was a member of the Polish army that, due to having guns, was able to successful resist the German invasion, according to wingnut logic.)

I’ve resisted defriending him because I was genuinely his friend in high school, but this shit is all he posts. No music stuff, even though he was a talented bass player, no pop culture, no sports, no weather, no “how my day went” stuff.

54 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:34:19pm
After more than twelve years of military occupation, Afghanistan’s opium trade isn’t just sustaining, it’s thriving more than ever before. According to a recent report from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, 2013 saw opium production surge to record highs:

???

55 b.d.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:34:47pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

He has no license from the David Miranda School of Famous Journalists.

Are his lips pillowy?

56 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:35:50pm

So, does keeping pot illegal give the government a monopoly over it’s production, distribution and sales?

57 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:36:31pm

re: #53 Ian G.

Latest insanity from the lone batshit teabagger in my Facebook feed:
1) Obama’s birth certificate contains words that were not around in 1961, and
2) a “warning” from a “Nazi survivor” who “sees a parallel between 1930s Germany and the US today” who says, natch, that Americans must keep their guns and stockpile more guns. (No word on whether this “survivor” was a member of the Polish army that, due to having guns, was able to successful resist the German invasion, according to wingnut logic.)

I’ve resisted defriending him because I was genuinely his friend in high school, but this shit is all he posts. No music stuff, even though he was a talented bass player, no pop culture, no sports, no weather, no “how my day went” stuff.

I had an old friend like that too. Nothing but cheesy anti-Obama bs. It got old. Hell even people who I agree with on politics who post nothing but politics tire me. Thing is about the guns, the gun industry is more profitable than ever in the Obama years because of silly memes like that. People like your pal here want to be scared of Obama. They want an excuse to stockpile guns.

58 jaunte  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:36:52pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

He appears to be trying to get the Daily Beast to retract it.

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to accept that someone can go to Hong Kong with a raft of top secret material stolen from the NSA, talk to local journalists about it, and believe there was “no contact with the Chinese government.”

59 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:37:34pm

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

So, does keeping pot illegal give the government a monopoly over it’s production, distribution and sales?

It keeps the right wing pacified in the knowledge the war on drugs is still in full swing.

60 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:38:05pm
61 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:38:56pm

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

So, does keeping pot illegal give the government a monopoly over it’s production, distribution and sales?

Medical marijuana was lobbied for by the medical profession. All marijuana was illegal at one time. (up here anyway)

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:40:42pm

My wife has openly stated she would use medical marijuana for pain if it were legal.

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:43:45pm

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

So, does keeping pot illegal give the government a monopoly over it’s production, distribution and sales?

That’s what they try to claim, but of course it’s mostly in the hands of criminals.

There is research going on.

Natural brain chemical could harsh the high of marijuana

latimes.com,0,1308382.story#ixzz2pNG8KXCZ


Recent Research on Medical Marijuana

64 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:45:00pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

???

That ‘occupation’ involves less than 50,000 occupiers occupying 250,000 square miles.

Sort of like our force that will seal the Mexican border.

65 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:46:28pm

re: #53 Ian G.

Obama’s birth certificate contains words that were not around in 1961

apparently some people believe that the word ‘gynecology’ was invented by MS magazine, around the same time they invented women smoking cigarettes

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:48:33pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

That ‘occupation’ involves less than 50,000 occupiers occupying 250,000 square miles.

Sort of like our force that will seal the Mexican border.

Yeah that’s why people who want a “closed border” make me laugh.

Good luck trying to “close” that damned thing.

67 piratedan  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:49:17pm

well it’s obvious that Chang isn’t a serious journalist because he didn’t bury his lede in paragraph seven like Glen always does…. ////

68 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:49:31pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife has openly stated she would use medical marijuana for pain if it were legal.

I have a friend who has AS and has been prescribed prednisone (and gained 50 pounds), chemo drugs (which harmed her kidneys), and Humira (for which her insurance was being billed $1800 per month). Her doc told her he believed medical marijuana might help her more than anything else and would prescribe it for her if she wanted to try it. She said no, she just couldn’t do it since it was illegal.

69 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:49:48pm

re: #65 dog philosopher

apparently some people believe that the word ‘gynecology’ was invented by MS magazine, around the same time they invented women smoking cigarettes

My brain hurts. I think a long time ago someone made a neat point about the birther nonsense. That Obama and Obama’s people would have to go through every library microfiche to alter the announcement of his birth. Besides, you got to love the same people who want Ted Cruz to be president having fault with the son of an immigrant being able to run. My favorite were the birthers who agreed that Obama was born in Hawaii but obviously didn’t seem to know that Hawaii is a state. It’s pretty crazy though given that Obama’s first opponent was born outside of the US and that his second candidate’s father was born outside the US but ran for president.

70 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:50:08pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah that’s why people who want a “closed border” make me laugh.

Good luck trying to “close” that damned thing.

Especially since most of our force will be bogged down holding back the Canadian Threat.

71 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:51:16pm

re: #53 Ian G.

i think somebody needs to start a website where the wingnut universe is described and explained - for example, i would like to understand what it means when i am told that i am living in “pelosi land” which will “soon turn into detroit”, since to me it all just sounds like a bad acid trip

72 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:52:26pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Especially since most of our force will be bogged down holding back the Canadian Threat.

“Sir, we can’t proceed, our tanks are frozen to the ground!!”

“I don’t accept that, we MUST find a way!”

“Heads up, they’re lobbing hockey sticks! DUCK!!”

73 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:52:45pm

re: #71 dog philosopher

i think somebody needs to start a website where the wingnut universe is described and explained - for example, i would like to understand what it means when i am told that i am living in “pelosi land” which will “soon turn into detroit”, since to me it all just sounds like a bad acid trip

74 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:52:54pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah that’s why people who want a “closed border” make me laugh.

Good luck trying to “close” that damned thing.

Particularly with a billion dollars a day worth of commerce crossing it.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:53:28pm
76 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:53:44pm

OR

“Sir, we’ve actually determined that no Canadians WANT to come to the U.S. so there’s no threat here.”

77 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:54:09pm

OT and sorry if this has been covered already, but this is freaking hilarious and I’ve been chuckling about it all afternoon:

addictinginfo.org

78 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:54:40pm

WTH is with David Brooks and weed?

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:54:41pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

My wife has openly stated she would use medical marijuana for pain if it were legal.

I wouldn’t, but that’s because I don’t like smoking period. I don’t push that view on others, but to me smoke is best avoided.

80 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:55:42pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

OR

“Sir, we’ve actually determined that no Canadians WANT to come to the U.S. so there’s no threat here.”

“Bullshit, son. I’ve followed a trail of properly-recyled Molson cans all the way to Panama City Beach.”

81 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:56:30pm
82 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:57:14pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t, but that’s because I don’t like smoking period. I don’t push that view on others, but to me smoke is best avoided.

You do know that you can do more than just smoke marijuana right DF? Just saying, I don’t like smoking much either so I prefer the old brownies even if marijuana laced food is less potent.

83 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:57:50pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

And Glenn Beck is going to be offended by Greenwald’s remarks.

Frankly, I wish things between the two ended up in Thunderdome:

“TWO GLENNS ENTER! ONE GLENN LEAVES!”

84 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:57:51pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

You do know that you can do more than just smoke marijuana right DF?

I didn’t. > >

85 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:58:09pm

So, I imagine David Gregory will have Brooks on MTP this Sunday since his column shook up the media world today and is must discuss.

And of course, there will be a thorough discussion on the ongoing Snowden revelations.

Don’t worry David Gregory will get to the bottom of this…

///

Hmmm. I’m pondering Peggy Noonan telling about her experience with The Nasty Weed. Scary.

86 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:58:45pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

“Sir, we can’t proceed, our tanks are frozen to the ground!!”

“I don’t accept that, we MUST find a way!”

“Heads up, they’re lobbing hockey sticks! DUCK!!”

“Gentlemen, we have reason to believe that the Canadians have a secret weapon called ‘poutine.’”

87 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:59:15pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Less potent? The only time I ever thought I was going to fall off the earth was when I ate it.

88 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 1:59:59pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

“Sir, we can’t proceed, our tanks are frozen to the ground!!”

“I don’t accept that, we MUST find a way!”

“Heads up, they’re lobbing hockey sticks! DUCK!!”

I think you guys have a Comedian battalion too. “Oh, no, here comes Martin Short, Mike Myers, and Jim Carrey!”

89 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:00:13pm

Trollololol.
;)

90 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:00:24pm

re: #87 Flying Squirrel Girl

Less potent? The only time I ever thought I was going to fall off the earth was when I ate it.

I had always heard that marijuana laced food was less strong. Perhaps your experiences were different than mine.

91 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:00:43pm

re: #83 Dark_Falcon

And Glenn Beck is going to be offended by Greenwald’s remarks.

Frankly, I wish things between the two ended up in Thunderdome:

“TWO GLENNS ENTER! ONE GLENN LEAVES!”

Sissy fight on the school playground at noon!

Actually two Glenns enter, none leave would be the bestest!

92 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:00:46pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

You do know that you can do more than just smoke marijuana right DF? Just saying, I don’t like smoking much either so I prefer the old brownies even if marijuana laced food is less potent.

Understood.

93 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:01:14pm

re: #58 jaunte

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to accept that someone can go to Hong Kong with a raft of top secret material stolen from the NSA, talk to local journalists about it, and believe there was “no contact with the Chinese government.”

My thought, too. Either Snowden is hopelessly naive to think Chinese intel wasn’t all over him, or he hopes his followers are naive enough to believe it.

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:01:43pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Understood.

Yeah just saying. I feel you about smoking though. It’s why I’ve stayed away from cigarettes. I always got really bad smoker’s throat when I smoked cigs and it’s an expensive habit too.

95 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:02:08pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

“Gentlemen, we have reason to believe that the Canadians have a secret weapon called ‘poutine.’”

“Issue a basic load of cheese grits. It’s Mutually Assured Obesity.”

96 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:02:27pm

MAGNETism!

also Paged.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:03:15pm

re: #96 FemNaziBitch

MAGNETism!

I always knew dogs were weird, but this???

98 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:04:10pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Now it could have been because it was a “potluck” dinner, where each guest was given a stick of pot butter and had to cook something with it and bring to the meal. I remember needing a seatbelt to keep from falling off the earth.

99 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:04:43pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

You do know that you can do more than just smoke marijuana right DF? Just saying, I don’t like smoking much either so I prefer the old brownies even if marijuana laced food is less potent.

and you get to satisfy the munchies as well!

100 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:04:59pm

re: #98 Flying Squirrel Girl

Now it could have been because it was a “potluck” dinner, where each guest was given a stick of pot butter and had to cook something with it and bring to the meal. I remember needing a seatbelt to keep from falling off the earth.

you consumed too much.

101 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:06:10pm

Off to Dogwalk 2014—6.

102 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:06:13pm

How long was Snowden in HK? A bit over 2 wks? Let’s not forget, he also allegedly met with Poitras and Greenwald in HK, earlier.

During this time, he engaged attys and moved from a hotel to a “safe house” provided by whom, we haven’t yet been told. And later during that period, he was charged by the US govt w/espionage and other crimes and the US requested a provisional warrant for his arrest; you’ll remember that China stalled and said it “did not comply” with HK law. It was then that someone advised him to leave HK. I don’t think for a moment that getting on that Aeroflot flight that he considered he was going to end up anywhere but Russia, regardless of what the SCMP said (that he would seek refuge elsewhere, like Iceland or Ecuador).

I also think that the SCMP is controlled by the Chinese govt, just as any other publication in China is. Just because there are western reporters working there doesn’t make it any less an organ of the govt than RT is of Russia.

Just color me very, very cynical when it comes to who has Snowden’s information—and why it is being denied so vociferously by Greenwald & Co that Snowden didn’t turn it over to Chinese and Russian authorities. After all, he was on their turf. And the Chinese turned him over to the Russians for protection. That airport “no man’s land” was pure theater.

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:08:26pm

re: #63 wrenchwench

That’s what they try to claim, but of course it’s mostly in the hands of criminals.

There is research going on.


Recent Research on Medical Marijuana

I’m skeptical about all this. What I do know is that there a lot of money involved —and everyone wants a piece of the pie. I have a hard time believing the drug market could be so prolific if individuals in the government weren’t getting their cut.

Where the majority of the power balance lies probably changes every day.

104 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:15:16pm

re: #103 FemNaziBitch

I’m skeptical about all this. What I do know is that there a lot of money involved —and everyone wants a piece of the pie. I have a hard time believing the drug market could be so prolific if individuals in the government weren’t getting their cut.

Where the majority of the power balance lies probably changes every day.

Big Pharma has one of the most expensive lobbying programs going. And they lobby against marijuana.

105 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:17:51pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Big Pharma has one of the most expensive lobbying programs going. And they lobby against marijuana.

do they lobby for the ability to research marijuana?

106 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:21:15pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

do they lobby for the ability to research marijuana?

No, only to keep it from competing with the stuff they sell. They can’t control the market when the product can be grown by the consumer.

107 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:23:03pm

re: #87 Flying Squirrel Girl

Less potent? The only time I ever thought I was going to fall off the earth was when I ate it.

This. I had a brownie once that put me out of commission for about 12 hours.

108 Flying Squirrel Girl  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:23:51pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

As a friend who was ~ahem~ very familiar with growing it once told me, “It really is a weed.”

Anyone can do it, that’s why they don’t want us to.

109 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:28:40pm

re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl

As a friend who was ~ahem~ very familiar with growing it once told me, “It really is a weed.”

Anyone can do it, that’s why they don’t want us to.

I think the researchers and scientists would modify it and corporate marketing and distribution people get it so cheap and available that home grown weed would as pointless as homegrown tobacco.

110 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:31:06pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

I think the researchers and scientists would modify it to the point that home grown weed would like owing your own cow to get the milk.

How would that be different from the way it is now? Aside from the legality.

111 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:33:36pm

re: #78 Varek Raith

Because somewhere someone might be having fun and that just pisses him off.

112 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:38:32pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

How would that be different from the way it is now? Aside from the legality.

Legality would bring in the Corporate profit makers. They certainly changed the tobacco industry and product from what it was 150 years ago.

I don’t understand why people can’t imagine that there would be big changes in the industry. WE do know that Big Profit get’s the attention of Wall Street. And once they are involved, there is no telling will happen.

Actually, I have to wonder why Wall Street isn’t lobby for legal recreational use.

113 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:38:36pm

Hmmm, missing something simple in applying a spoiler tag in a Page. Anyone got a minute?

114 AlexRogan  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:43:11pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

I wasn’t gonna post on this thread, but I was high,
I was going watch stuff on Youtube instead, but I was high,
Now I’m pissed at David Brooks and I know why…

Nice Afroman reference there.

115 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:47:25pm

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Legality would bring in the Corporate profit makers. They certainly changed the tobacco industry and product from what it was 150 years ago.

I don’t understand why people can’t imagine that there would be big changes in the industry. WE do know that Big Profit get’s the attention of Wall Street. And once they are involved, there is no telling will happen.

Actually, I have to wonder why Wall Street isn’t lobby for legal recreational use.

OK, the thing about the cow, that was OUTSIDE the issue of legality. I don’t see how scientists have to do anything for someone to grow their own like having a cow for milk.

Now, the post-legalization changes: There is NO WAY Big Pharma can make as much money on pot as they make with patented medicines. So they fight legalization. Wall Street is a subset of Big Pharma, almost. Their profits now are with prescription drugs. They do not see profits from legal marijuana, because they can’t control production nor distribution.

Legalization doesn’t mean people will quit growing their own, whether that part is legal or not.

116 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:48:25pm

re: #96 FemNaziBitch

MAGNETism!

also Paged.

Found out about this a couple of days ago.

Using the compass in my handheld since - my dog’s butt points appears to point from 350 - 0 degrees North while defecating.

If I am ever lost, it looks like I will be able to use my dog to determine which way is north.

117 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:49:27pm

re: #113 Political Atheist

Hmmm, missing something simple in applying a spoiler tag in a Page. Anyone got a minute?

I’ve never made a spoiler tag, in or out of a Page. But what kind of problem are you having?

118 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:51:56pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

OK, the thing about the cow, that was OUTSIDE the issue of legality. I don’t see how scientists have to do anything for someone to grow their own like having a cow for milk.

Now, the post-legalization changes: There is NO WAY Big Pharma can make as much money on pot as they make with patented medicines. So they fight legalization. Wall Street is a subset of Big Pharma, almost. Their profits now are with prescription drugs. They do not see profits from legal marijuana, because they can’t control production nor distribution.

Legalization doesn’t mean people will quit growing their own, whether that part is legal or not.

sorry, I updated so quickly, I didn’t it would matter.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

119 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:52:17pm

re: #116 BeenHereAwhile

Found out about this a couple of days ago.

Using the compass in my handheld since - my dog’s butt points appears to point from 350 - 0 degrees North while defecating.

If I am ever lost, it looks like I will be able to use my dog to determine which way is north.

Wow.

120 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:05:09pm

re: #117 wrenchwench

I’ve never made a spoiler tag, in or out of a Page. But what kind of problem are you having?

I put in what I think is the tag right and it just is not doing anything. I must have some simple thing wrong

Spoiler

with these < and > at each end right? Then

with the < and the > ?
Okay that’s weird… working here not there.


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