Fox “News” Benghazi “Expert” Endorsed Assassination of Barack Obama and David Cameron

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Michael Scheuer is a world class wingnut, and it’s on full display in the article Media Matters linked to below.

Days after he wrote a column endorsing the assassination of President Obama, Fox hosted Michael Scheuer to accuse Hillary Clinton of effectively murdering the Americans who died during the 2012 attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya.

Scheuer, a former CIA officer with a long history of extreme rhetoric, has appeared on Fox News and Fox Business dozens of times over the years.

Scheuer endorsed the assassinations of both Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron in his December 23 column, as The Daily Beast’s David Frum noted. Concluding a piece criticizing their handling of “the Islamists’ war on America,” Scheuer wrote (emphasis added):

As they head further down the road of losing wars and wrecking Anglo-American liberties, Messrs Obama and Cameron and their supporters in all parties would do well to read the words of the great 17th century English republican Algernon Sidney, a man who was revered on both sides of the Atlantic, who greatly influenced America’s founders, and who was executed by the British Crown for what it described as sedition. “There must therefore be a right,” Sidney wrote,

“of proceeding judicially or extra-judicially against all persons who transgress the laws; or else those laws, and the societies that should subsist by them, cannot stand; and the ends for which governments are constituted, together with the governments themselves, must be overthrown. … If he [a political leader] be justly accounted an enemy of all, who injures all; he above all must be the publick enemy of a nation, who by usurping power over them, does the greatest and most publick injury that a people can suffer. For which reason, by an established law among the most virtuous nations, every man might kill a tyrant; and no names are recorded in history with more honor, than of those who did it.”

The former CIA official appeared on Fox Business’ Lou Dobbs Tonight only ten days after that column’s publication. During his January 2 interview, Scheuer accused The New York Times of publishing a series on the Benghazi attacks in order to protect Hillary Clinton, who he claimed “has blood on her arms up to her elbows for not being willing to protect the people who are representing us in Libya” and thus “killed those Americans and [the Times editors] have to kill that story or it is going to become mainstream for 2016.” Dobbs responded, “Strong words from Michael Scheuer.”

More like insane words.

Media Matters

More: Fox’s Benghazi Expert Endorsed Assassinating Obama Last Week

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115 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 11:13:54am

Gotta love how FNC was outrage totally outraged at the stupid joke about Mitt Romney’s family but they have no problem with someone who seriously calls for the death of Britain’s PM and America’s President. So fuck you FNC and don’t lecture MSNBC or any other media outlet ever again about decency when you shit turds like this guy on.

2 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:01:14pm

Yeah, but they’ve got some unnamed spooks who declare that Benghazi was totally an Al-Q job, so who are we to question Fox’s dedication to the truth?

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3 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:04:21pm

Scheuer is an isolationist in the Paleo-conservative mold. The only question would be if he’s more like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. We’d have to get him high to find out, I suppose.

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:05:48pm

Scheuer is a complete whack job. What is it that makes so many ex-intelligence people get weird?

5 Lidane  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:05:51pm

Objecting to a bearded fake redneck’s rants about gays and blacks? ZOMG TYRANNY! 1ST AMENDMENT! FREEDOM! ELEVENTY!

Half-assed joke about Mitt Romney? ZOMG TYRANNY! FIRE SOMEONE!

Negative comment about Sarah Palin twisted into something the speaker never said? ZOMG TYRANNY! FIRE SOMEONE!

Endorse killing the President? INVITE HIM ON TV! STRONG WORDS! BENGHAZI EXPERT!

6 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:06:43pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Scheuer is an isolationist in the Paleo-conservative mold. The only question would be if he’s more like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. We’d have to get him high to find out, I suppose.

I think more the latter. I think I remember first hearing SCheuer’s name a lot in 2008 since Paul echoed a lot of his rhetoric. Paul never was a hawk while Buchahan was more hawkish in the days when the communists were enemy number one.

7 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:07:19pm

re: #5 Lidane

Objecting to a bearded fake redneck’s rants about gays and blacks? ZOMG TYRANNY! 1ST AMENDMENT! FREEDOM! ELEVENTY!

Half-assed joke about Mitt Romney? ZOMG TYRANNY! FIRE SOMEONE!

Negative comment about Sarah Palin twisted into something the speaker never said? ZOMG TYRANNY! FIRE SOMEONE!

Endorse killing the President? INVITE HIM ON TV! STRONG WORDS! BENGHAZI EXPERT!

There, that’s Fox News’ business model.

8 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:10:26pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Scheuer is an isolationist in the Paleo-conservative mold. The only question would be if he’s more like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. We’d have to get him high to find out, I suppose.

Ron Paul.

Recently, at least.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:10:28pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Scheuer is a complete whack job. What is it that makes so many ex-intelligence people get weird?

They were weird to begin with, I’d wager. After the 1998 Embassy bombing Scheuer was part of the CIA responsible for locating Osama bin Laden. That was easier than it became after 9/11, but even so it took a very focused mind, and that can easily leader to overfocus.

10 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:11:12pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

They were weird to begin with, I’d wager. After the 1998 Embassy bombing Scheuer was part of the CIA responsible for locating Osama bin Laden. That was easier than it became after 9/11, but even so it took a very focused mind, and that can easily leader to overfocus.

He must be very frustrated that Obama’s team got the job done.

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:11:57pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

Ron Paul.

Recently, at least.

That’s our answer. Next question: Can we get Scheuer to spend some time in Colorado? Because he seriously needs to mellow out.

12 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:12:09pm

Ignoring the obvious, that if Obama were a tyrant, people like him would have already been disappeared.

13 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:12:14pm
14 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:12:22pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Ignoring the obvious, that if Obama were a tyrant, people like him would have already been disappeared.

SHHHHHHH!!!

15 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:12:31pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Scheuer is a complete whack job. What is it that makes so many ex-intelligence people get weird?

I think DF’s right, many of these guys and gals are a little quirky to start with. Your average espionage person is less James Bond and more that weird guy who you know who remembers every weird detail about you.

16 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:14:04pm
17 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:14:45pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Ignoring the obvious, that if Obama were a tyrant, people like him would have already been disappeared.

He hasn’t even done an Anchuluss with Canada yet, the lazy tyrannical bastard.

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:15:59pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I think DF’s right, many of these guys and gals are a little quirky to start with. Your average espionage person is less James Bond and more that weird guy who you know who remembers every weird detail about you.

Hey, now we’re not all weird. Or at least not all weird. Just the ones that work at Spook Central in Langley. Us Army MI are perfectly normal. Promise…

O_o

19 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:16:18pm
“Anglo-American liberties”

Subtle-ish, but all it means is white privilege. Why even type out shit like that unless racial revanchism is exactly what you’re selling?

20 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:16:21pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

He must be very frustrated that Obama’s team got the job done.

Well, his team found the fucker but Clinton wouldn’t order the take-down. So maybe its’ “daddy issues”, with Scheuer being mad that he didn’t have a POTUS with the guts to order the hit and then deal with the blowback.

To be fair to Clinton, though, bin Laden wasn’t regarded as the same level of threat before 9/11 as he was after. But the fact remains that Clinton was too focused on international law and PR and thus left Al Qaeda as a problem for his successors to deal with.

21 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:18:21pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, now we’re not all weird. Or at least not all weird. Just the ones that work at Spook Central in Langley. Us Army MI are perfectly normal. Promise…

O_o

Heh truth be told, I think if I ever went into the military, I’d seriously consider intel. I wouldn’t make a good grunt, that’s for sure. Flat foot and all that jazz.

22 thecommodore  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:19:33pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Scheuer is an isolationist in the Paleo-conservative mold. The only question would be if he’s more like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. We’d have to get him high to find out, I suppose.

He sounds like he’s been high for decades. Five’ll getcha ten he’ll be going to Colorado often.

23 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:20:03pm

Pretty sure the Daily Beast trolled the shit out of Glenn Greenwald today.

24 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:20:52pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey, now we’re not all weird. Or at least not all weird. Just the ones that work at Spook Central in Langley. Us Army MI are perfectly normal. Promise…

O_o

“Military Intelligence”? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

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25 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:21:24pm

You gotta love though how FNC goes into CT mode the minute Obama becomes president when in the past administration they were cheerleaders. I mean it’s one thing if you’re Alex Jones and see conspiracies everywhere under your covers. It’s another thing to be a complete phony bs artist about it like FNC is about the NSA, Benghazi, and otehr things.

26 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:21:41pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Scheuer is an isolationist in the Paleo-conservative mold. The only question would be if he’s more like Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul. We’d have to get him high to find out, I suppose.

Reminds me of Jimmy the dwarf actor in In Bruges.

Jimmy: There’s gonna be a war between the blacks and between the whites. You ain’t even gonna need a uniform no more. This ain’t gonna be a war where you pick your side. Your side’s already picked for you.

Ray: And I know whose side I’m fighting on. I’m fighting with the blacks. The whites are gonna get their heads kicked in!

Jimmy: You don’t decide this shit, man.

Ray: Well, who are the half-castes gonna fight with?

Jimmy: The blacks, man. That’s obvious.

Ray: But what about the Pakistanis?

Jimmy: The blacks.

Ray: What about… Think of a hard one. What about the Vietnamese?

Jimmy: The blacks!

Ray: Well, I’m definitely fighting with the blacks if they’ve got the Vietnamese. So, hang on. Would all of the white midgets in the world be fighting against all the black midgets in the world?

Jimmy: Yeah.

Ray: That would make a good film!

27 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:22:14pm

Anyone who thinks like this doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

“Scheuer became a public figure after being outed as the anonymous author of the 2004 book Imperial Hubris, in which he criticized many of the United States’ assumptions about Islamist insurgencies and particularly Osama bin Laden. He depicts bin Laden as a rational actor who was fighting to weaken the United States by weakening its economy, rather than merely combating and killing Americans. He challenges the common assumption that terrorism is the threat that the United States is facing in the modern era, arguing rather that Islamist insurgency (and not “terrorism”)[2] is the core of the conflict between the U.S. and Islamist forces, who in places such as Kashmir, Xinjiang, and Chechnya are “struggling not just for independence but against institutionalized barbarism.”[2][3] Osama bin Laden acknowledged the book in a 2007 statement, suggesting that it revealed “the reasons for your losing the war against us”.[4][5]

en.wikipedia.org

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:22:38pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Reminds me of Jimmy the dwarf actor in In Bruges.

Damn it, I love that movie and exchange.

29 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:24:40pm

Anyone else get the feeling that if Algernon Sidney, or Thomas Jefferson, or George Washington, or John Locke, etc. etc. were alive today, they’d want nothing to do with the twits who constantly quote (or more often, misquote) them in idiotic calls for insurrection against legitimate democratic governments?

30 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:25:18pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Anyone who thinks like this doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

Quite Concur.

31 calochortus  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:25:26pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

“Military Intelligence”? Isn’t that an oxymoron?

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My favorite is “Target acquisition.” They used to run ads to try to get people to join the military back in the ’70s where they told you all the neat things you could do and that was one of them. Conjured up pictures of a guy going to somebody’s house and saying they’ll be bombing it soon, and here’s $20 for your inconvenience.

32 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:26:11pm

re: #29 Ian G.

Anyone else get the feeling that if Algernon Sidney, or Thomas Jefferson, or George Washington, or John Locke, etc. etc. were alive today, they’d want nothing to do with the twits who constantly quote (or more often, misquote) them in idiotic calls for insurrection against legitimate democratic governments?

I always thought they would be amused by them playing dress up especially. I know if I were Thomas Jefferson, I’d be amused at someone dressing up as me and proclaiming that I wanted America to be a Christian state that provided no welfare to its citizenry.

33 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:26:37pm

OT, what a loser:
extramustard.si.com

34 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:29:23pm

What the hell did I just watch? Evening Innuendo with Lew Doobs?

35 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:32:09pm

2014: The Dimmest of Dim Jim (only took three days)-

DISASTER. Almost Twice As Many Sign Up for Taxpayer-funded Medicaid as Sign Up for Obamacare

Um, Dim, other than instituting new regulations for insurance companies, the main idea behind so-called Obamacare was to expand the parameters for qualifying for Medicaid, you doofus.

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:35:02pm

re: #35 Kid A

2014: The Dimmest of Dim Jim (only took three days)-

DISASTER. Almost Twice As Many Sign Up for Taxpayer-funded Medicaid as Sign Up for Obamacare

Um, Dim, other than instituting new regulations for insurance companies, the main idea behind so-called Obamacare was to expand the parameters for qualifying for Medicaid, you doofus.

Shh, don’t scare him with facts. His head might explode.

37 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:35:59pm

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:40:13pm

I recently rewatched “Man on the Moon”. How Jim Carrey didn’t get an Oscar for that I’ll never know.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:40:18pm
40 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:43:05pm
41 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:45:17pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

I recently rewatched “Man on the Moon”. How Jim Carrey didn’t get an Oscar for that I’ll never know.

He’s a comedian, so the Motion Picture Academy does not take him seriously.

42 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:46:14pm
43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:47:03pm
44 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:47:31pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Well, Nicholas Cage has been in some howlingly bad films…

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:48:06pm

I think Brooks is losing it.

46 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:48:22pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

You know this account is a fake, right?

47 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:49:12pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

You know this account is a fake, right?

Ah, that explains it. Curse me for not looking at that closely enough.

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:50:05pm

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

You know this account is a fake, right?

Sure - DavidBrooks420.

49 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:51:09pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Sure - DavidBrooks>420.

Though you did, just had to make sure.

50 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:51:28pm

Scheuer is also an anti-Semite who would throw Israel to the wolves.

Look at this appearance on CSPAN on Jan 4, 2010:

adamholland.blogspot.com

John from Franklin [NY]: I for one am sick and tired of all these Jews coming on C-SPAN and other stations and pushing us to go to war against our Muslim friends. They’re willing to spend the last drop of American blood and treasure to get their way in the world. They have way too much power in this country. People like Wolfowitz and Feith and the other neo-cons — they jewed us into Iraq — and now we’re going to spend the next 60 years rehabilitating our soldiers — I’m sick and tired of it.

C-SPAN host: Any comment on that?

Scheuer: Yeah. I think that American foreign policy is ultimately up to the American people. One of the big things we have not been able to discuss for the past 30 years is the Israelis. Whether we want to be involved in fighting Israel’s wars in the future is something that Americans should be able to talk about. They may vote yes. They may want to see their kids killed in Iraq or somewhere else to defend Israel. But the question is: we need to talk about it. Ultimately Israel is a country that is of no particular worth the United States.

He’s absolutely barking mad.

51 psddluva4evah  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:51:54pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Ok, I’ve only been following this MHP/Romneygrandchild story on the periphery.

But now I see this on TPM that Romney will be on FoxNews Sunday and will say something about MHP and my only comment, is seriously…is there nothing Romney wouldn’t do to get back in the spotlight.

I know, I know, it’s his grandson, but one thing you have to commend the Obamas on, no matter how much bait the media tries to lay in front of them to get them to talk about or pass on information about the Obama girls, both Obama’s shut that stuff down quick.

As much as RWNJ have said about Malia and Sasha, I don’t think the Obamas would EVER touch the BS spewed or give it any spotlight or weight by actually giving an interview or even commenting on the BS

But I expect no less of the Romneys…

Of course I’m almost certain no questions will be asked about the possible RICO suit

52 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:54:28pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

53 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:54:39pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

Scheuer is also an anti-Semite who would throw Israel to the wolves.

Look at this appearance on CSPAN on Jan 4, 2010:

adamholland.blogspot.com

John from Franklin [NY]: I for one am sick and tired of all these Jews coming on C-SPAN and other stations and pushing us to go to war against our Muslim friends. They’re willing to spend the last drop of American blood and treasure to get their way in the world. They have way too much power in this country. People like Wolfowitz and Feith and the other neo-cons — they jewed us into Iraq — and now we’re going to spend the next 60 years rehabilitating our soldiers — I’m sick and tired of it.

C-SPAN host: Any comment on that?

Scheuer: Yeah. I think that American foreign policy is ultimately up to the American people. One of the big things we have not been able to discuss for the past 30 years is the Israelis. Whether we want to be involved in fighting Israel’s wars in the future is something that Americans should be able to talk about. They may vote yes. They may want to see their kids killed in Iraq or somewhere else to defend Israel. But the question is: we need to talk about it. Ultimately Israel is a country that is of no particular worth the United States.

He’s absolutely barking mad.

Short version of Michael Scheuer: America is vic-tim of teh EVIILLL JUICE!!!11 Fer Realz!!1

54 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:57:09pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Scheuer is a complete whack job. What is it that makes so many ex-intelligence people get weird?

Actually, it’s not “so many of”. You don’t hear about the ones who don’t get weird, and probably don’t realize how many there are, so the few that have an exaggerated impact.

It’s sort of like if the only liberals you think you know are Code Pink then all liberals are screwballs.

55 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:57:57pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

Actually, it’s not “so many of”. You don’t hear about the ones who don’t get weird, and probably don’t realize how many there are, so the few that have an exaggerated impact.

It’s sort of like if the only liberals you think you know are Code Pink then all liberals are screwballs.

Quoted For Truth.

56 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:58:26pm


A day after Colorado opened its doors to the legalized sale of recreational marijuana, a state senator said New Mexico should consider following suit.

Sen. Gerald Ortiz y Pino, an Albuquerque Democrat, said he will introduce a constitutional amendment proposal to legalize recreational marijuana when the Legislature convenes this month.

The constitutional amendment would go on the general election ballot this November if approved by both the House and Senate. Constitutional amendment proposals go straight from the Legislature to voters, and Gov. Susana Martinez would not be able to act on the measure if it were approved by lawmakers.

[…]

57 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:59:12pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Scheuer is a complete whack job. What is it that makes so many ex-intelligence people get weird?

sampling the drugs in the interrogation rooms?

58 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 2:59:59pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

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I imagine this is what will ultimately push the legalization of marijuana, lawmakers seeing Colorado making money hand over fist and deciding they want a piece of that tax revenue pie.

59 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:00:20pm

60 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:03:52pm

61 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:04:27pm

New device might reveal what dogs are thinking

in other news, more squirrels were spotted in the back yard today…

62 AlexRogan  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:05:02pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Ignoring the obvious, that if Obama were a tyrant, people like him would have already been disappeared.

That’s what they want people to think…

/

63 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:05:47pm

re: #61 dog philosopher

New device might reveal what dogs are thinking

in other news, more squirrels were spotted in the back yard today…

Hi there. My name is Dug.

64 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:06:22pm

re: #63 thedopefishlives

Hi there. My name is Dug.

Not Barf?

65 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:06:59pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I imagine this is what will ultimately push the legalization of marijuana, lawmakers seeing Colorado making money hand over fist and deciding they want a piece of that tax revenue pie.

This is truly the American Way. They will bullshit on legal, moral and religious grounds, but once money can be smelled things can be justified.

Remember when casinos were only in Nevada, and then came Atlantic City? And since…boom.

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:07:22pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

They were weird to begin with, I’d wager. After the 1998 Embassy bombing Scheuer was part of the CIA responsible for locating Osama bin Laden. That was easier than it became after 9/11, but even so it took a very focused mind, and that can easily leader to overfocus.

I’ve known quite a few CIA/NSA types, My dad was in embassy security. Most of them are normal people and most of the work is boring desk jobs and administrative tasks. Even the field operatives are mostly normal. I think what happens to some people is their imagination gets carried away. Field operatives usually have no idea what they’re doing, their orders are things like “fly to Greece, stay at this hotel, say hello to the man in the green hat in the lobby on Thursday”. They have no idea why or what’s going on, I think that plays with their imaginations sometimes. Also learning about all the techniques and capabilities can make people paranoid, you never know who’s watching.
By far the most colorful folks are with “Other Government Agencies” - OGA’s. They’re not CIA or NSA and their dept is funded through some loophole buried deep in the federal budget. We knew one OGA dude who one day decided he was from Texas. Started wearing cowboy hats and talking with a southern drawl for no reason. He grew up in Boston.

67 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:07:47pm

68 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:07:48pm

Time to go out for supper and then to a show.

Later lizards.

69 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:09:07pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Short version of Michael Scheuer: America is vic-tim of teh EVIILLL JUICE!!!11 Fer Realz!!1

Well, he was also that nutcase Ron Paul’s foreign policy adviser, too.

It would be just a short step for him to become a national socialist, doncha know, like so many others. Isolationists many times harbor those politics, but don’t confuse them with pacifists because they’re willing to go to war—the ones of which they approve.

Those bleeders are all over the place and some only show one side or another of their philosophy, but if you pay close enough attention and piece it together, you can figure it out.

70 Mattand  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:09:57pm

Well, this’ll be interesting:

Steve Lonegan Says He’s Running For Congress

My (conspiracy) theory is that the current congressman, Jon Runyan, is retiring because he voted to end the shutdown in October, and knows he’ll get Tea Bagged out of office. I’m wondering if Runyan was warned Lonegan would do this and is getting out of Dodge while he can.

I grew up in the 3rd District and was a part of it until 2010, when my town got gerrymandered out for not voting Republican. They tend to vote solidly GOP, but I’m not sure how well they’ll take to a Republican that even their Lord and Savior™ Governor Christie wanted nothing to do with.

Then again, they voted for Runyan, a retired athlete with literally zero political experience. Runyan was run partly because he used to be a center for the Eagles. The man they voted out was a Democrat who voted against Obama fairly often because he wanted to keep his job.

In other words, he was a Democrat who was willing to screw over Obama every chance he got, and it still wasn’t good enough.

Runyan then proceeded to go along with every batshit thing the Tea Bag-flavored GOP did (like try to repeal the ACA nearly 50 times), rather than try to, you know, run the country.

Hmmm. Lonegan may do better down here than I realize…

71 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:11:42pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

This is truly the American Way. They will bullshit on legal, moral and religious grounds, but once money can be smelled things can be justified.

Remember when casinos were only in Nevada, and then came Atlantic City? And since…boom.

The moral BS is falling away as the reality of how much money weed represents becomes clearer. Though I’m sure that cigarette companies are regarding what’s going on in Colorado with increasing weariness and the potential for that to metamorphose into nervousness.

72 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:12:23pm

Charles…been meaning to comment on those illusionary images you’ve posted over the last few days. Remember back when all the old M C Escher prints were big? I wonder how much this artist has studied the Escher stuff.

If all the LGFers have discussed Escher and these images…I missed it. Excuse me if that is the case.

73 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:13:14pm

re: #61 dog philosopher

New device might reveal what dogs are thinking

in other news, more squirrels were spotted in the back yard today…

The squirrels in our yard have become dog exercise modules.

When let out, the dog runs out of the house and frantically chases the squirrels, which climb trees or flee to safety through the fence.

Once the yard has been cleared of all squirrels; having been exercised, she goes to the dog yard and does her routine.

74 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:15:04pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The moral BS is falling away as the reality of how much money weed represents becomes clearer. Though I’m sure that cigarette companies are regarding what’s going on in Colorado with increasing weariness and the potential for that to metamorphose into nervousness.

In the late 60s, when an inevitable thaw on grass was first circulating, it was deep folklore that Major Tobacco and Major Booze had filed trademarks on a large number of promising brandnames.

75 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:15:26pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

Charles…been meaning to comment on those illusionary images you’ve posted over the last few days. Remember back when all the old M C Escher prints were big? I wonder how much this artist has studied the Escher stuff.

If all the LGFers have discussed Escher and these images…I missed it. Excuse me if that is the case.

for punishment, you have to submit a 15 paper analyzing the prints either from a structuralist or a deconstructionist perspective

76 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:16:29pm

re: #75 dog philosopher

for punishment, you have to submit a 15 paper analyzing the prints either from a structuralist or a deconstructionist perspective

Extra point for each reference from Godel, Escher, Bach.

77 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:16:44pm

Giant selfie.

78 Mattand  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:17:38pm

re: #73 BeenHereAwhile

The squirrels in our yard have become dog exercise modules.

When let out, the dog runs out of the house and frantically chases the squirrels, which climb trees or flee to safety through the fence.

Once the yard has been cleared of all squirrels; having been exercised, she goes to the dog yard and does her routine.

Not my dog. He learned early on he couldn’t catch them. Now, he makes a half-assed attempt to go after them and then gives up about 3 seconds in.

That’s assuming he even makes an attempt. More often than not, he just lets them walk within feet of him, with this “Eh, whatever” look on his face.

Unless there’s a squirrel running along the top of a fence. That, for some reason, is unacceptable and must be stopped immediately.

79 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:19:14pm

re: #78 Mattand

Not my dog. He learned early on he couldn’t catch them. Now, he makes a half-assed attempt to go after, them and then gives up about 3 second in.

That’s assuming he even makes an attempt. More often than not, he just lets them walk within feet of him, with this “Eh, whatever” look on his face.

Unless there’s a squirrel running along the top of a fence. That, for some reason, is unacceptable and must stopped immediately.

Your dog has a borderline personality. We’ll bill your pet health provider.

80 Mattand  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:21:53pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Your dog has a borderline personality. We’ll bill your pet health provider.

It’s entirely possible. We once walked within a foot of an active jackhammer and he didn’t blink. Yet, for some reason, he fears the the spring doorstop on the front door.

Boxers. Even their possible mental illnesses are adorable.

81 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:27:19pm

re: #75 dog philosopher

for punishment, you have to submit a 15 paper analyzing the prints either from a structuralist or a deconstructionist perspective

I could probably give you 15 words. Might also be able to whip out 15 pages if I could read all of the previous discussions I probably missed. I did see one comment a few nights ago calling them surrealistic. Can’t buy that. Then I missed several threads…place is busy.

Here’s 15 words (more or less):
Norman Rockwell meets Escher for some fun illustrations that have a basis in American whimsy and classic architectural themes.

/// smile

82 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:28:54pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Your dog has a borderline personality. We’ll bill your pet health provider.

BoBamaCare!

/

83 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:30:50pm

re: #78 Mattand

Not my dog. He learned early on he couldn’t catch them. Now, he makes a half-assed attempt to go after, them and then gives up about 3 second in.

That’s assuming he even makes an attempt. More often than not, he just lets them walk within feet of him, with this “Eh, whatever” look on his face.

Unless there’s a squirrel running along the top of a fence. That, for some reason, is unacceptable and must stopped immediately.

This dog is fixated on squirrels, rabbits and birds.

She once caught a dove which was rescued before serious harm was done.

She will follow on the ground as the squirrels jump from tree to tree, looking up and watching to see if one falls (which being squirrels, they never do).

84 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:43:52pm
85 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:46:40pm

One of my cats loves to sit on the back of the easy chair and watch the birds and the squirrels when they come to the feeder. He doesn’t act he’s interested in them as prey, just watches them like I watch TV.

RBS

86 allegro  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:48:50pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

The moral BS is falling away as the reality of how much money weed represents becomes clearer. Though I’m sure that cigarette companies are regarding what’s going on in Colorado with increasing weariness and the potential for that to metamorphose into nervousness.

I bet it’s the pharmaceutical companies that are nervous. Legal grass will without a doubt throw significant earning holes in their billion dollar sleeping pill and antidepressant markets among others.

87 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:50:15pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

88 Gus  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:51:23pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

Hey. That guy old enough to drive? //

89 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:51:31pm

re: #86 allegro

I bet it’s the pharmaceutical companies that are nervous. Legal grass will without a doubt throw significant earning holes in their billion dollar sleeping pill and antidepressant markets among others.

Don’t forget OTC pain meds too.

90 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 3:57:27pm

I tried BLT flavored potato chips today. Not as good as I had hoped.

RBS

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:00:53pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t forget OTC pain meds too.

Some of those may hold on better than you’d think. Meds to relieve sinus pressure and pain are still able to do things that pot doesn’t do.

92 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:01:11pm

re: #90 RealityBasedSteve

I tried BLT flavored potato chips today. Not as good as I had hoped.

RBS

I tried the Chicken and Waffles chips almost a year ago. Not as bad as I had feared.

93 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:02:36pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

I tried the Chicken and Waffles chips almost a year ago. Not as bad as I had feared.

Chicken and Waffles is a real southern thing. I’m not sure that I get it, and I’ve been here for almost 20 years now.

RBS

94 Gus  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:05:59pm

Ha! This tells me a lot.

95 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:09:10pm

re: #86 allegro

I bet it’s the pharmaceutical companies that are nervous. Legal grass will without a doubt throw significant earning holes in their billion dollar sleeping pill and antidepressant markets among others.

If they are smart they will start LLC’s and become growers.

96 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:13:34pm

re: #86 allegro

I bet it’s the pharmaceutical companies that are nervous. Legal grass will without a doubt throw significant earning holes in their billion dollar sleeping pill and antidepressant markets among others.

“take about 20 tokes and call me in the morning, or if you ever even remember this conversation”

97 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:13:56pm

re: #95 Political Atheist

If they are smart they will start LLC’s and become growers.

Too bad the name Weed Man is already taken.

98 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:15:18pm

re: #93 RealityBasedSteve

Chicken and Waffles is a real southern thing. I’m not sure that I get it, and I’ve been here for almost 20 years now.

RBS

Actually chicken and waffles originated in Harlem. I’ve lived in the south most of my life and never even knew of the combo until a few years ago.

Similarly, I’ve eaten grits all my life, but never knew they were paired with shrimp until about 20 yrs ago (they’re a SC low country/Charleston thing). Hip chefs have adopted some of these things and given them publicity.

All southern states don’t eat the same stuff. For instance, liver mush is a distinctly NC offering, and it’s often paired with grits. My grandmother used to serve hash (regular corned beef and something called Castleberry Hash—a brand) back with grits when I was a kid. It was cheaper than bacon or sausage, came in a can so wouldn’t spoil and get wasted like bacon and sausage did in unreliable ice boxes. Yes, some of us still had ice boxes back in the late 40s in the south, and habits die slowly.

99 Gus  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:18:05pm

So tired of the derp on Twitter.

100 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:18:58pm

re: #95 Political Atheist

If they are smart they will start LLC’s and become growers.

I’m sure somebody out there is working on establishing a monopoly. I suppose super large scale growing could drive down prices enough to push smaller growers out of the market. It could happen.

101 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:19:53pm

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

Actually chicken and waffles originated in Harlem. I’ve lived in the south most of my life and never even knew of the combo until a few years ago.

Similarly, I’ve eaten grits all my life, but never knew they were paired with shrimp until about 20 yrs ago (they’re a SC low country/Charleston thing). Hip chefs have adopted some of these things and given them publicity.

All southern states don’t eat the same stuff. For instance, liver mush is a distinctly NC offering, and it’s often paired with grits. My grandmother used to serve hash (regular corned beef and something called Castleberry Hash—a brand) back with grits when I was a kid. It was cheaper than bacon or sausage, came in a can so wouldn’t spoil and get wasted like bacon and sausage did in unreliable ice boxes. Yes, some of us still had ice boxes back in the late 40s in the south, and habits die slowly.

I knew about shrimp and grits, but doing just a little reading, looks like Chicken and Waffles has an even more murky history, but Harlem does enter in, if not as a creation spot, at least as a location where it got popularized.

It’s like BBQ sauce and how it changes depending on where in the country you are.

RBS

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:23:27pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

I’m sure somebody out there is working on establishing a monopoly. I suppose super large scale growing could drive down prices enough to push smaller growers out of the market. It could happen.

The huge tax on pot is going to be a problem for large companies to keep a monopoly on pot. I think the black market will still be competitive because they can always skip the taxes. It’ll be interesting to see how this goes.

103 Kid A  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:24:11pm

One of the many reasons I left the GOP was the war in Iraq. Here’s a letter from Ralph Nader to President George of W.
commondreams.org

104 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:24:12pm

Jesse Willms: The Dark Lord of the Internet

This is the guy behind a lot of those “1 weird trick” scams.

It’s a bit lengthy but it’s a great read if you have the time.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:26:07pm

Good evening Lizards. Back from a quick trip out into central PA for a small memorial service and internment of my SIL’s ashes*.

Drove out there yesterday afternoon and got most of the way there before I met the oncoming snow. Cold and clear this morning, but only a few inches on the ground. Got to stay with one of my cousins who now resides in my grandparents old house (massively renovated) where my father grew up.

Spent the evening catching up on family news, looking at pictures, and also got to see my great-grandfather’s leather Bible (purchased in 1881) that has birth and death information for part of one branch of the family recorded in it. Plus some other interesting artifacts that I got pictures of.

* - Her ashes got split between Asia and North America. Part in a family plot in Kuala Lumpar, and the rest out here in Pennsylvania. Given the relative weather conditions it was a sort of fire and ice thing.

106 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:27:31pm

re: #101 RealityBasedSteve

I knew about shrimp and grits, but doing just a little reading, looks like Chicken and Waffles has an even more murky history, but Harlem does enter in, if not as a creation spot, at least as a location where it got popularized.

It’s like BBQ sauce and how it changes depending on where in the country you are.

RBS

We all eat fried chicken, though. It really is a southern thing, Col Sanders notwithstanding. My grandmother (mentioned above) would get a live chicken from a farm truck that came into Charlotte, wring its neck in the bathtub, pluck it, cut it up and fry it—in lard, the same kind of lard she used to make biscuits. I know it sounds terrible, and I’d never touch lard today, but those were the best damned biscuits and fried chicken. : )

107 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:29:56pm

It’s also hard to find non fried fish here in the South outside of Chinese and Japanese restaurants.

There used to be some great places I ate at up North that served baked fish but down here, it’s pretty much fried or nothing.

108 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:32:04pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

We all eat fried chicken, though. It really is a southern thing, Col Sanders notwithstanding. My grandmother (mentioned above) would get a live chicken from a farm truck that came into Charlotte, wring its neck in the bathtub, pluck it, cut it up and fry it—in lard, the same kind of lard she used to make biscuits. I know it sounds terrible, and I’d never touch lard today, but those were the best damned biscuits and fried chicken. : )

And some of the best fried chicken is Hot Chicken, pretty much a Nashville speciality, and Princes makes the best in the whole world.

RBS

109 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:34:38pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesse Willms: The Dark Lord of the Internet

This is the guy behind a lot of those “1 weird trick” scams.

It’s a bit lengthy but it’s a great read if you have the time.

“There’s a sucker born every minute.”

110 Gus  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:39:54pm

re: #103 Kid A

One of the many reasons I left the GOP was the war in Iraq. Here’s a letter from Ralph Nader to President George of W.
commondreams.org

Heh. Nader. The man who helped Bush win in 2000. The man who won’t stop berating President Obama and going all emo about all the things.

One sample.

Ralph Nader Says Obama Is A ‘War Criminal’ Who Has Been ‘More Aggressive’ Than George W. Bush (VIDEO)

111 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:42:52pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s also hard to find non fried fish here in the South outside of Chinese and Japanese restaurants.

There used to be some great places I ate at up North that served baked fish but down here, it’s pretty much fried or nothing.

They call them “fish camps” around here. Just a restaurant that serves fried fish (although you can get broiled), fries, slaw, hushpuppies. That’s usually the entire menu, well, shrimp, too, usually. : )

112 AlexRogan  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 4:47:59pm

re: #108 RealityBasedSteve

And some of the best fried chicken is Hot Chicken, pretty much a Nashville speciality, and Princes makes the best in the whole world.

RBS

Love Prince’s (it’s about a couple of miles away from my house, as the crow flies), but anything past their “mild” (which is still fairly spicy) is too hot for me.

113 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 3, 2014 6:11:47pm

re: #35 Kid A

2014: The Dimmest of Dim Jim (only took three days)-

DISASTER. Almost Twice As Many Sign Up for Taxpayer-funded Medicaid as Sign Up for Obamacare

Um, Dim, other than instituting new regulations for insurance companies, the main idea behind so-called Obamacare was to expand the parameters for qualifying for Medicaid, you doofus.

The ACA has two prongs. One was to cover people through existing channels - expanding Medicaid, for which some states balked, even though the feds were picking up the tab at the outset, and adjusting the individual marketplace by creating exchanges. Both were envisioned, and both were expected to be used. That the ratio is 2:1 shouldn’t be surprising since many people didn’t even know that they were eligible for Medicaid in the first place (either before or after expansion).

But this is Hoft we’re talking about - who laments the loss of incandescent bulbs because the replacements save money over the life of the bulb even as they cost more up front.

114 Dave In Austin  Sat, Jan 4, 2014 8:14:57am

re: #46 Dark_Falcon

You know this account is a fake, right?

My bets on DriftGlass………

There is a varable love affair going on there….

115 weave  Sun, Jan 5, 2014 3:54:28am

Good news everyone. According to Redstate, Scheuer is not a conservative, but an “anti-war loon.”


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