Radio Hosts Jim Garrow and Pete Santilli Openly Call for Military Coup Against Obama

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Jim Garrow has decided the only way to stop the Obama regime is a military coup.

Jim Garrow brought his tall tale about President Obama trying to murder him to The Pete Santilli Show on Friday, where he also plugged the anti-Obama Operation American Spring. Santilli, the radio host who called for the murder of Obama and for Hillary Clinton to be “shot in the vagina” and has advocated for violence against the government, said that a national strike and even a military coup is necessary to bring down the Obama administration.

“I’m not calling for — well, yes I’m calling for the military to restore our Republic. Is it a military coup? I would say that it’s probably the most orderly fashion to do this,” Santilli told Garrow, who responded that it would take just “three percent of the population to rise up” and “control the country.”

Garrow and Santilli then go on to expound on how a ragtag band of freedom fighters would be able to wage a guerrilla war to bring down Obama, while predicting their next rally in Washington D.C. would draw millions dedicated to the violent overthrow of the US government.

Because that is what real patriots would do, apparently.

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503 comments
1 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:22:38am

How’d that work out for them in 1861?

2 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:26:48am

At what point the line is crossed between free speech and advocating sedition I am not sure, but in this case they have to be WAY over it.

Of course, since Obama is a dictator who is crushing the real ‘merica down, I’m sure that the black panel van is already on it’s way to pick up Garrow and Santelli. Oh wait… not going to happen.

RBS

3 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:27:03am

For the sake of our republic, hopefully their rally is not nearly as big as their trucker “protest”.

4 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:37:09am

Because nothing restores a republic like a military coup?
Let me check my history books to see how that works out.

5 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:40:51am

re: #1 Pie-onist Overlord

How’d that work out for them in 1861?

He probably wishes he could go back in time to 1861 and alter history so the confederacy won the war, just so people today wouldn’t have to deal with the “tyranny” of “secret Muslim Marxist” Obama.

6 b.d.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:08:42pm

Nothing says democracy more than having 3% take over the country.

7 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:09:31pm
I’m not calling for — well, yes I’m calling for the military to restore our Republic.

REPUBLICS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!

8 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:09:31pm

Reposted from Newt Page:
On this coup subject. A lot of posters seem to be mocking the concept. It’s not that far-fetched.

If #’s 1 and 2 are gone, #3 is the President and C in C by law. The military will take orders from him. They will not be shooting 155 mm howitzers at anybody. The reason these clowns think they only need 3% of the population is that they. like the rest of the enemies of the US throughout history, think that the population is soft and decadent. They remember how the Dems griped (but accepted) about the Supreme Court’s selection of George W. Bush as President and they never vowed to make him a one term President and block everything he tried to accomplish. The would be Coupers also know that thanks to Gerrymandering, most Congressional seats are locked in. Very few votes are needed to swing the control to the other side. Combine these concepts with some more voter restriction laws, and they can nullify a national election.

9 b.d.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:09:40pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

For the sake of our republic, hopefully their rally is not nearly as big as their trucker “protest”.

Maybe if we just post photos of other country’s coups they’ll think there is one really going on here?

10 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:10:32pm

So, let me see if I understand this: we need a tiny minority of the population to wrest control from the duly elected government to restore the republic?

In what universe does a takeover by 3% of the population constitute ‘restoring’ a representative democracy?

11 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:11:07pm

re: #9 b.d.

Maybe if we just post photos of other country’s coups they’ll think there is one really going on here?

Didn’t Fox show pictures of large rallies and try to pass them off as anti Obama crowds?

12 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:13:33pm
ragtag band of freedom fighters would be able to wage a guerrilla war to bring down Obama

It’s kind of funny how askeered they are of a black man.

13 AntonSirius  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:15:23pm
ragtag band of freedom fighters would be able to wage a guerrilla war to bring down Obama

WULVUREEEEEENES!!!!!!!!!!11!!!11111!!!ELEVENTYONE!!

14 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:15:35pm

We are two years away from a change in administration.

Is there really a need for a military coup? Unless, of course, they are convinced the GOP will lose the next election … .

15 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:16:08pm

re: #8 SteveMcGazi

On this coup subject. A lot of posters seem to be mocking the concept. It’s not that far-fetched.

If #’s 1 and 2 are gone, #3 is the President and C in C by law. The military will take orders from him. They will not be shooting 155 mm howitzers at anybody. The reason these clowns think they only need 3% of the population is that they. like the rest of the enemies of the US throughout history, think that the population is soft and decadent. They remember how the Dems griped (but accepted) about the Supreme Court’s selection of George W. Bush as President and they never vowed to make him a one term President and block everything he tried to accomplish. The would be Coupers also know that thanks to Gerrymandering, most Congressional seats are locked in. Very few votes are needed to swing the control to the other side. Combine these concepts with some more voter restriction laws, and they can nullify a national election.

What you describe is a President John Boehner, acting with all of the regular powers and responsibilities of a sitting president, put into place by criminal actions by third parties. I’m not clear how this would in any way constitute a “coup”, and indeed I’m not clear on what lawful orders from aforementioned hypothetical president the military would follow that would change that.

If there’s a profound thought to be found in here, I’m afraid I’m missing it. Sounds like dreary concern-mongering that is only tangentially related to the discussion at hand.

16 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:16:19pm

re: #12 Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest

It’s kind of funny how askeered they are of a black man.

and when you ask them, just what he’s done to offend them and the policies that have been implemented that have transgressed upon their very being to cause such a response, you get bupkis for the most part. Perhaps if you’re lucky, you find that there’s been an unkindled passion about a certain thing that just coincidentally sparked in 2008.

17 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:17:54pm

Wait, if this guy is really modeling himself after the Founding Fathers, shouldn’t he be drafting a Declaration of Independence?

18 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:17:58pm

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

We are two years away from a change in administration.

Is there really a need for a military coup? Unless, of course, they are convinced the GOP will lose the next election … .

It’s the fear in the back of their minds that’s always there, but they’re even more afraid to give voice to that fear.

The US is moving away from them, culturally speaking, and deep down, perhaps unconsciously, they know this. Their power and influence is waning, and they’re scared shitless.

19 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:18:30pm

re: #12 Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest

It’s kind of funny how askeered they are of a black man.

I’m convinced that the prime motivating factor for wingnuts is simple fear.

For all their bluster and gun-waving and tough talk, they are scared out of their tiny little minds. Scared of minorities, scared of technological advancements, scared of the many, many things they do not understand, scared of people who don’t agree with them, scared that their time is running out. Scared of everything.

20 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:18:57pm

re: #11 SteveMcGazi

Didn’t Fox show pictures of large rallies and try to pass them off as anti Obama crowds?

Yes. And Fox “News” also claimed that they covered the Million Man March in 1995 even though Fox “News” launched in 1996.

21 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:19:49pm

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

We are two years away from a change in administration.

Is there really a need for a military coup? Unless, of course, they are convinced the GOP will lose the next election … .

I think they’re looking at the same demographic trends everyone else sees, and seeing the end of White Privilege written in it, though they may not even realize that’s what they’re perceiving. They just see it as ‘the End of America’.

This is why there was such a surge in Voter ID and other vote suppression tactics, as well as a resurgence in any number of other anti-democracy ideas, like repealing the 17th Amendment, since direct election of Senators has not yet given them the All-Wingnut Senate of their dreams.

22 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:20:43pm

re: #19 makeitstop

I’m convinced that the prime motivating factor for wingnuts is simple fear.

For all their bluster and gun-waving and tough talk, they are scared out of their tiny little minds. Scared of minorities, scared of technological advancements, scared of the many, many things they do not understand, scared of people who don’t agree with them, scared that their time is running out. Scared of everything.

Fear of Slave Revolt.

or the Masses.

in their minds the unwashed, illiterate serfs and savages.

23 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:22:36pm
Because that is what armchair patriots do.

FIFY

24 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:22:57pm

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

LOL! I can be an illiterate, unwashed serf, and savage!
Kind of sounds like fun!

25 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:23:10pm

I’m convinced people need to read more Science Fiction.

It’s the only way to cope with a rapidly changing world.

26 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:23:48pm

Nothing says “patriotism” like wanting to overthrow a democratically elected President.

27 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:23:51pm

re: #24 Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest

LOL! I can be an illiterate, unwashed serf, and savage!
Kind of sounds like fun!

eh, I don’t want lice and I like my teeth. .

I’m just a wimp and will be a servile slave of the government if it means I can be free of bedbugs… .

28 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:24:10pm

re: #25 FemNaziBitch

That and it is a great escape.

29 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:24:30pm

re: #25 FemNaziBitch

I’m convinced people need to read more Science Fiction.

It’s the only way to cope with a rapidly changing world.

As long as it’s not written by Jerry Pournelle.

30 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:24:31pm

re: #15 erik_t

What you describe is a President John Boehner, acting with all of the regular powers and responsibilities of a sitting president, put into place by criminal actions by third parties. I’m not clear how this would in any way constitute a “coup”, and indeed I’m not clear on what lawful orders from aforementioned hypothetical president the military would follow that would change that.

If there’s a profound thought to be found in here, I’m afraid I’m missing it. Sounds like dreary concern-mongering that is only tangentially related to the discussion at hand.

A coup doesn’t necessarily require the replacement of the entire govt, just replace the head. If Boehner were to become President in this fashion, somebody would have to link him to involvement with these guys who are just trying to take advantage of him. In other words, the coup would consist of taking the Executive Branch out of the control of the one party (who won the election) and putting it in the hands of a party that didn’t win the election. That’s all you need to do. The legislative branch is in divided control, but as I said before, it doesn’t take much to swing it, especially when states control the elections. That’s what makes the idea worth trying.

31 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:24:35pm

re: #28 PhillyPretzel

That and it is a great escape.

And, on some level, prepares one for change.

32 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:24:52pm

re: #26 Dr. Matt

Nothing says “patriotism” like wanting to overthrow a democratically elected President.

BUT THERE WAS VOTER FRAUD!1!1!1!1!

33 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:25:23pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

And, well, I will admit to liking clean sheets!

34 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:26:38pm

re: #15 erik_t

What you describe is a President John Boehner, acting with all of the regular powers and responsibilities of a sitting president, put into place by criminal actions by third parties. I’m not clear how this would in any way constitute a “coup”, and indeed I’m not clear on what lawful orders from aforementioned hypothetical president the military would follow that would change that.

If there’s a profound thought to be found in here, I’m afraid I’m missing it. Sounds like dreary concern-mongering that is only tangentially related to the discussion at hand.

If two bursts from an M15 move us from President Obama to President Boehner, you might not call it a coup. How about ‘Bad Precedent’?

35 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:27:10pm

I listened to the audio version of Something Wicked This Way Comes by Ray Bradbury.

Mr. Bradbury was a very talented writer.

36 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:28:29pm

re: #33 Monarch Butterfly Heading to rest

And, well, I will admit to liking clean sheets!

IIRC, the number one reason we don’t live with bedbugs is the invention and mass marketing of the vacuum cleaner.

This requires electricity.

37 BusyMonster  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:28:31pm

re: #8 SteveMcGazi

Reposted from Newt Page:
On this coup subject. A lot of posters seem to be mocking the concept. It’s not that far-fetched.

Well, LOL it is because I’m sure I’m not the only American who thinks that Civil War #2 will last about 20 minutes, and it will consist of healthy and sane Americans subduing fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads and taking their cheap-shit guns out of their flabby hands.

The quality of person who I see shouting about these coups and civil wars does not inspire much fear in me … these guys invariably turn out to be nothing but fat, lazy loudmouths.

38 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:29:27pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

If two bursts from an M15 move us from President Obama to President Boehner, you might not call it a coup. How about ‘Bad Precedent’?

Especially since another one would throw it back to the Dems with Pat Leahy, before going through the Cabinet. Once you start changing Presidents in such a fashion, there’s no reason to assume that everyone would accept it and stop at Speaker of the House.

39 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:30:56pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

If two bursts from an M15 move us from President Obama to President Boehner, you might not call it a coup. How about ‘Bad Precedent’?

Truthfully, it’s kind of amazing this sort of thing has never happened. A parliamentary system seems a lot more robust in this context.

40 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:31:37pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

I listened to the audio version of Something Wicked This Way Comes by Ray Bradbury.

Mr. Bradbury was a very talented writer.

Got to meet him once at a book signing when I was in high school.

41 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:31:54pm

These seditious pricks have been playing Call of Duty so much that they believe you actually re-spawn to continue to battle after you’re shot.

42 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:31:57pm

re: #37 BusyMonster

Well, LOL it is because I’m sure I’m not the only American who thinks that Civil War #2 will last about 20 minutes, and it will consist of healthy and sane Americans subduing fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads and taking their cheap-shit guns out of their flabby hands.

The quality of person who I see shouting about these coups and civil wars does not inspire much fear in me … these guys invariably turn out to be nothing but fat, lazy loudmouths.

You can jump on all the “fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads” all you want, but won’t after the fact be too late?

43 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:32:34pm

No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act

Includes any reimbursements or distributions to pay for an abortion in the gross income of participants in flexible spending arrangements under a tax-exempt cafeteria plan, Archer Medical Savings Accounts (MSAs), and health savings accounts (HSAs).

Also see

44 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:33:09pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

The US is moving away from them, culturally speaking, and deep down, perhaps unconsciously, they know this. Their power and influence is waning, and they’re scared shitless.

This is exactly it. They’re scared.

45 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:33:49pm

ah the cheap thrills of a little transgressive speech in the morning

46 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:34:46pm

re: #42 SteveMcGazi

You can jump on all the “fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads” all you want, but won’t after the fact be too late?

No, because I think Hypothetical President Boehner would respect the rule of law and would round up and prosecute murderers, even if they put him in a position to take the reins of the presidency. And I think that if he didn’t respect the rule of law, and he attempted to use (for example) the military to do things that they are prohibited by law from doing, they would ignore his unlawful orders just like they’d ignore the unlawful orders of anyone else. And then we’d have an election and life would go on.

Isn’t constant terror a kind of exhausting way to go through life?

47 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:34:56pm

re: #42 SteveMcGazi

You can jump on all the “fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads” all you want, but won’t after the fact be too late?

Seriously - think about it. If someone or someones decided to off the POTUS and the VPOTUS to make Boehner President, the level of anger in the US would see to it that Boehner’s life would not be worth a plug nickel.

48 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:35:29pm

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

49 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:36:58pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

True. But they’d all have to be in one place at the same time, with nobody knowing what they were up to, and nobody getting cold feet.

50 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:37:39pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

The Threeper nuts don’t even claim that. Their ‘conservative’ guess is that they have and need only 3% of American gunowners.

51 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:37:56pm

re: #46 erik_t

Isn’t constant terror a kind of exhausting way to go through life?

Right up there with fat, drunk, and stupid.
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52 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:38:01pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

Someone did that math last thread and came up with around 9 million.

So their paltry band of patriots is supposed to be 36 times larger than the active and reserve strength of the USMC.

53 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:38:03pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

True. But they’d all have to be in one place at the same time, with nobody knowing what they were up to, and nobody getting cold feet.

Frankly, the logistics are profoundly daunting even if the rest of the country were doing everything in their power to help them assemble.

54 b.d.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:39:02pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

Gary Johnson almost got 25% of that number of people to vote for him for president.

55 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:39:23pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

True. But they’d all have to be in one place at the same time, with nobody knowing what they were up to, and nobody getting cold feet.

and herding morons probably has more than a passing resemblance to herding cats

56 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:39:32pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

Seriously - think about it. If someone or someones decided to off the POTUS and the VPOTUS to make Boehner President, the level of anger in the US would see to it that Boehner’s life would not be worth a plug nickel.

A lot of the anger is already in place. The first couple days would decide how close we’d get to third-world.

57 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:40:35pm

re: #52 Kragar

Someone did that math last thread and came up with around 9 million.

So their paltry band of patriots is supposed to be 36 times larger than the active and reserve strength of the USMC.

right, 9 million, my mistake

58 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:40:44pm

re: #52 Kragar

Someone did that math last thread and came up with around 9 million.

So their paltry band of patriots is supposed to be 36 times larger than the active and reserve strength of the USMC.

In their fevered imaginations, most of us a sheeple just waiting for their leadership.

59 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:40:49pm

re: #55 dog philosopher

and herding morons probably has more than a passing resemblance to herding cats

Not to mention that the most likely participants are the kind who are unable to keep their traps shut. Hard to pull off a revolution with a tiny minority who telegraph their punches.

60 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:41:06pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

re: #46 erik_t

Of course a Boehner admin would go after the perpetrators. and Boehner’s life wouldn’t be worth a nickel. You think the perps care whether Boehner’s happy? And what’s with him ordering the military to do unlawful things. The perps would actually count on him NOT ordering the military to do unlawful things. That’s why I said that nobody is going to be firing 155 mm howitzers at anybody. All the coup people need to get what they want is an ineffective Executive branch.

61 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:42:04pm

The operators involved in the bin Laden raid planned and trained for months for a single mission lasting around 40 minutes. These nimrods actually believe an untrained, undisciplined mob of white trash rednecks with their semi-autos can out-battle the US military? Please proceed.

62 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:42:48pm

re: #49 GeneJockey

True. But they’d all have to be in one place at the same time, with nobody knowing what they were up to, and nobody getting cold feet.

These are the same brain surgeons who think 9/11 was an inside job and Obama is a secret communist conspiracy decades in the making.

Logistical considerations are not their forte.

63 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:43:20pm

re: #46 erik_t

Isn’t constant terror a kind of exhausting way to go through life?

It may be more comfortable to deal with that sort of fear, than dealing with the more realistic fear of sinking lower on the economic scale or not being respected for who you are.

64 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:43:40pm

re: #61 Dr. Matt

The operators involved in the bin Laden raid planned and trained for months for a single mission lasting around 40 minutes. These nimrods actually believe an untrained, undisciplined mob of white trash rednecks with their semi-autos can out battle the US military? Please proceed.

Their strength is as the strength of ten, because their hearts are pure.

Or, put more simply, WOLVERINES!!!!!!

65 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:43:56pm

re: #59 GeneJockey

Not to mention that the most likely participants are the kind who are unable to keep their traps shut. Hard to pull off a revolution with a tiny minority who telegraph their punches.

No one said this would work. The most likely outcome would be an electorate beyond the dreams of McGovern.

66 b.d.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:44:13pm

These guys must be HUGE Biden fans.

67 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:45:10pm

re: #48 dog philosopher

3% of the population would be more than 6 million morons people

population of the State of Washington?

or Two Chicagos.

68 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:45:35pm

This is an ongoing gambit on the Right, to incite or promote a violent overthrow of the government and try to prompt a response from the authorities, which they can then hold up as proof that the government is out to round us all up into FEMA Sharia Socilist Ghey reeducation camps

69 Jay C  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:45:44pm
while predicting their next rally in Washington D.C. would draw millions dedicated to the violent overthrow of the US government.

Anyone care to start a pool on the ACTUAL size of the “army” these “patriots” might be ACTUALLY likely to draw?

Platoon level (scores)?
Battalion level (hundreds)?
Brigade level (a couple of thousand)?

At least we know they’ll have (more-than-) proportional Congressional representation…..

70 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:45:48pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

I think they’re looking at the same demographic trends everyone else sees, and seeing the end of White Privilege written in it, though they may not even realize that’s what they’re perceiving. They just see it as ‘the End of America’.

This is why there was such a surge in Voter ID and other vote suppression tactics, as well as a resurgence in any number of other anti-democracy ideas, like repealing the 17th Amendment, since direct election of Senators has not yet given them the All-Wingnut Senate of their dreams.

I’m going to attempt to sever anti-17th Amendmentism from the rest of the wingnut nonsense. I don’t think that repeal of the 17th is a good idea but I do agree with the fundamental kernel here:

The Senate was, as laid out in the Constitution, supposed to be the voice of the states not of the people. Once you’ve re-made the Senate into state-wide House seats you have fundamentally altered who/what it represents. And the amazingly anti-democratic nature of the Senate makes a strange mix with the democratic character of the 17th Amendment.

As I said, I’m not a fan of repealing it because, given the amazing amount of corruption that exists at the state level, I can’t imagine that going back to the pre-17th situation would be a good thing, but that doesn’t mean that the 17th was a particularly good idea.

71 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:46:19pm

re: #67 FemNaziBitch

population of the State of Washington?

or Two Chicagos.

The thesis is that the (First) American Revolution was pulled off with that level of involvement.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:46:21pm

re: #10 GeneJockey

So, let me see if I understand this: we need a tiny minority of the population to wrest control from the duly elected government to restore the republic?

In what universe does a takeover by 3% of the population constitute ‘restoring’ a representative democracy?

You don’t have the right glasses to see the proper text - every place you see “America” or “republic” you are not seeing “of wealthy white patriarchy” that you need the special glasses to see.
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73 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:46:42pm

To Catch a Trader —tonite on Frontline.

74 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:47:04pm

re: #70 Schadenboner

The US Senate is obsolete.

75 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:47:25pm

re: #70 Schadenboner

If I recall correctly-and I’m too lazy to look it up, we have the 17th amendment precisely because of the corruption in the process of the state legislatures selecting the senators.

76 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:47:42pm

re: #69 Jay C

Anyone care to start a pool on the ACTUAL size of the “army” these “patriots” might be ACTUALLY likely to draw?

Platoon level (scores)?
Battalion level (hundreds)?
Brigade level (a couple of thousand)?

Easy mission for the US

Platoon level vs. 1 drone
Battalion level vs. 5 drones
Brigade level vs. A drone squadron

77 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:48:11pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

The thesis is that the (First) American Revolution was pulled off with that level of involvement.

We’re going to enlist the French to help with this one too?

78 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:48:46pm

Rather than argue ad nauseum about what “coup” means or what a revolt-crowned Hypothetical President Boehner would do or similarly banal topics, I’m going to go cut my toenails or something. Catch y’all later.

79 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:49:32pm

re: #69 Jay C

Anyone care to start a pool on the ACTUAL size of the “army” these “patriots” might be ACTUALLY likely to draw?

Platoon level (scores)?
Battalion level (hundreds)?
Brigade level (a couple of thousand)?

At least we know they’ll have (more-than-) proportional Congressional representation…..

This rally, if it occurs, will merge with Jim Robinson’s Freep rally, if it occurs.
They’ll probably let it blow away in the Spring breeze. Otherwise it needs thorough overhead photography of the turnout. (I’d guess a couple hundred. You can get a couple hundred to watch dogs screw.)

80 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:49:36pm

re: #69 Jay C

Anyone care to start a pool on the ACTUAL size of the “army” these “patriots” might be ACTUALLY likely to draw?

Platoon level (scores)?
Battalion level (hundreds)?
Brigade level (a couple of thousand)?

At least we know they’ll have (more-than-) proportional Congressional representation…..

A group of wingnuts is properly known as a gagglefuck

81 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:50:28pm

re: #66 b.d.

These guys must be HUGE Biden fans.

Apparently they somehow think that whatever wave they use to get rid of Obama will also take Biden with it. Not to mention the military will be on their side. This is why they keep retweeting the ‘Bush hugs a soldier’ pic with “There are NO pictures of Obama like this. NONE!!”, to convince themselves that the Military hates Obama. Throw in the ‘Senior Military Leaders’ who managed to stop Obama’s plan to kill 300 million Americans with EMP so George Soros could clean up by short-selling the entire Dow (or some damn foolishness).

The problem they have is that they’ve spent the last 30 years building their own reality, cut off from the actual reality, so that if actual push ever comes to actual shove, it will fall out quite differently.

82 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:50:55pm

re: #77 calochortus

We’re going to enlist the French to help with this one too?

There are furious masses training at the Quebec border.

83 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:51:01pm

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

We are two years away from a change in administration.

Is there really a need for a military coup? Unless, of course, they are convinced the GOP will lose the next election … .

Yes. They can’t fool enough people to back them and get out to vote so their next best bet is to get them out to get shot at. Certainly sounds like a winning plan to me.

84 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:51:01pm

re: #78 erik_t

Rather than argue ad nauseum about what “coup” means or what a revolt-crowned Hypothetical President Boehner would do or similarly banal topics, I’m going to go cut my toenails or something. Catch y’all later.

Watch out for the fungus!

85 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:52:55pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

There are furious masses training at the Quebec border.

Having just seen the PBS show on the War of 1812, this concerns me…

86 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:54:08pm

These yokels seem to alternate between boasting about their alleged ability to tackle the soft, effete, Obammunist military; and their despairing hope that the self same military will somehow rescue them from the black/gay/Muslim hordes.

Earlier posters are right; present day conservative whites are the most fearful people I have ever been around, in comparison to the actual magnitude of the threat. Here in the sticks west of Fort Worth, local politics seem to revolve around the fear/hope that the black masses will spill out of the Dallas ghettos and rampage through the countryside raping and pillaging. The assumpton that mass firepower is needed to stop this is especially telling, as though a mob of looters would keep coming, zombie-like, until they were all killed. They really, seriously believe they are dealing with not just savvages, but sub-humans.

87 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:54:25pm

re: #70 Schadenboner

I’m going to attempt to sever anti-17th Amendmentism from the rest of the wingnut nonsense. I don’t think that repeal of the 17th is a good idea but I do agree with the fundamental kernel here:

The Senate was, as laid out in the Constitution, supposed to be the voice of the states not of the people. Once you’ve re-made the Senate into state-wide House seats you have fundamentally altered who/what it represents. And the amazingly anti-democratic nature of the Senate makes a strange mix with the democratic character of the 17th Amendment.

As I said, I’m not a fan of repealing it because, given the amazing amount of corruption that exists at the state level, I can’t imagine that going back to the pre-17th situation would be a good thing, but that doesn’t mean that the 17th was a particularly good idea.

I’m going to push back on that by pointing out that the people ARE the states, and to say that the Senate is to be “the voice of the states not of the people” makes no sense.

The reason the anti-17th Amendment folks want it repealed has nothing to do with any nonsensical ‘the voice of the states not of the people’ idea, but rather they know they’ve been more successful in winning state legislatures than Senate races.

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:54:39pm

re: #51 GeneJockey

Right up there with fat, drunk, and stupid.
//

They plan on queuing up and vomiting on the President?!?
///

89 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:54:46pm

the music is great (I love Indian music) and the marketing is ingenious.

Whoever developed this is very talented.

90 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:55:09pm

re: #74 freetoken

The US Senate is obsolete.

No argument from me on this.

re: #75 calochortus

If I recall correctly-and I’m too lazy to look it up, we have the 17th amendment precisely because of the corruption in the process of the state legislatures selecting the senators.

My understanding is that this is the case. Like I said, the fact that the popular election of Senators has had bad (and anti-democratic) effects doesn’t mean that going back to the pre-17A situation would be a good idea. Hysteresis‎ and all that.

The take over by one of the parties by bat-shit crazies for whom negotiation is anathema means that the Senate being appointed by state legislatures would probably lead to worse outcomes in the Senate than the present system.

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:56:03pm

re: #60 SteveMcGazi

Of course a Boehner admin would go after the perpetrators. and Boehner’s life wouldn’t be worth a nickel. You think the perps care whether Boehner’s happy? And what’s with him ordering the military to do unlawful things. The perps would actually count on him NOT ordering the military to do unlawful things. That’s why I said that nobody is going to be firing 155 mm howitzers at anybody. All the coup people need to get what they want is an ineffective Executive branch.

Ah, the James Buchanan precedent.

92 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:56:40pm

re: #81 GeneJockey

Apparently they somehow think that whatever wave they use to get rid of Obama will also take Biden with it. Not to mention the military will be on their side. This is why they keep retweeting the ‘Bush hugs a soldier’ pic with “There are NO pictures of Obama like this. NONE!!”, to convince themselves that the Military hates Obama. Throw in the ‘Senior Military Leaders’ who managed to stop Obama’s plan to kill 300 million Americans with EMP so George Soros could clean up by short-selling the entire Dow (or some damn foolishness).

The problem they have is that they’ve spent the last 30 years building their own reality, cut off from the actual reality, so that if actual push ever comes to actual shove, it will fall out quite differently.

What you’re not getting is that the military isn’t on anybody’s side. If Obama and Biden are gone, and Boehner is the President, they’ll take orders from him as faithfully as they would take orders from any President, no matter how he or she got into office. The reason they only want 3% is that’s about the margin of control between the parties. The nutters think that be decapitating the administration, the government will carry on it’s duties under the new management. Following that, they think they just need those few voters, along with the voter suppression laws already in force to cement their gains. They don’t need a 9 million man army or anything like that.

93 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:56:59pm

re: #70 Schadenboner

I’m going to attempt to sever anti-17th Amendmentism from the rest of the wingnut nonsense. I don’t think that repeal of the 17th is a good idea but I do agree with the fundamental kernel here:

The Senate was, as laid out in the Constitution, supposed to be the voice of the states not of the people. Once you’ve re-made the Senate into state-wide House seats you have fundamentally altered who/what it represents. And the amazingly anti-democratic nature of the Senate makes a strange mix with the democratic character of the 17th Amendment.

As I said, I’m not a fan of repealing it because, given the amazing amount of corruption that exists at the state level, I can’t imagine that going back to the pre-17th situation would be a good thing, but that doesn’t mean that the 17th was a particularly good idea.

I have a hard time believing Senators work for their respsective States. Their paychecks do not come from the State Treasury that elected them.

94 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:57:20pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

the music is great (I love Indian music) and the marketing is ingenious.

Whoever developed this is very talented.

That’s much more likely to get someone to watch than what you said about it on twitter!

95 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:57:46pm

Chances of a coup—negligible. Chances that the nutcase influencers can generate an event or series as bad as Oklahoma City—pretty good. They are using the net to wind up the weak-minded. Google any website with a ‘III’ in it.

96 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 12:58:23pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

I listened to the audio version of Something Wicked This Way Comes by Ray Bradbury.

Mr. Bradbury was a very talented writer.

He was a very generous man, and giving to kids that showed up at his book signings.
In addition to being clever.

97 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:00:49pm

What a wingnut thinks he needs to stop a mob of zombies/looters: 5 AR-15s (one for each hand, plus spares), grenade launcher, shotgun for diehards who get too close, pistol and commando knife to finish off the wounded, Maginot Line bunker, 2 million rounds of ammo, gas mask (since we all know looters are armed with gas bombs).

What a rational person would need to stop looters, in the unlikely event they come up the driveway: Single shot shotgun, 2 rounds of birdshot.

98 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:00:50pm

re: #87 GeneJockey

I’m going to push back on that by pointing out that the people ARE the states, and to say that the Senate is to be “the voice of the states not of the people” makes no sense.

The reason the anti-17th Amendment folks want it repealed has nothing to do with any nonsensical ‘the voice of the states not of the people’ idea, but rather they know they’ve been more successful in winning state legislatures than Senate races.

I agree that it is nonsensical to have a house of the states. But the Senate was supposed to be and that’s how it was organized. That’s also why the Senate and not the House approves treaties and Cabinet/judicial appointees. These are powers that were supposed to be done with the approval of the states (as represented by the Senate) not approved by the people (who have their representation in the House).

As I said, I agree that it is nonsensical to have a house of the states. I think it’s nonsensical to not have a unicameral (popular) legislature. And repealing the 17th would be a worse outcome than not repealing it. But that doesn’t mean that the Senate should continue to exist.

99 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:02:29pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Chances of a coup—negligible. Chances that the nutcase influencers can generate an event or series as bad as Oklahoma City—pretty good. They are using the net to wind up the weak-minded. Google any website with a ‘III’ in it.

I’m surprised an OKC event hasn’t happened yet.

100 blueraven  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:02:49pm

So the guy, Andrew Scott Boguslawski, who was stopped for speeding and had 48 bombs in his car

upi.com

appears to be listed as a member of this crazy site

Andrew Scott Boguslawski
Male
Moores Hill, IN

project.nsearch.com

God, Hope, New World Order, Alternative health, Survival…NUTZ

101 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:02:55pm

I’d better go do my grocery shopping before the rest of the population finds out about the pending insurrection.
BBL

102 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:03:33pm

re: #98 Schadenboner

It’s worth remembering that without a Senate we wouldn’t have a Constitution. The Senate, in spite of its current flaws, tends to put the brakes on a sometimes crazy House of Representatives.

103 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:03:39pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

That’s much more likely to get someone to watch than what you said about it on twitter!

I just tweeted it, they words were what “they” programmed. I always figure “their” marketing ideas are better than mine.

I tweet it again after a while, with my own words.

104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:04:01pm

So this “Army of Patriots” will be full of “minutemen” refuse to take orders from anyone they disagree with or find not fully and ravenously patriotic as themselves.

105 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:04:20pm
Garrow and Santilli then go on to expound on how a ragtag band of freedom fighters would be able to wage a guerrilla war to bring down Obama, while predicting their next rally in Washington D.C. would draw millions dedicated to the violent overthrow of the US government.

They sound nice.

106 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:04:25pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

What a wingnut thinks he needs to stop a mob of zombies/looters: 5 AR-15s (one for each hand, plus spares), grenade launcher, shotgun for diehards who get too close, pistol and commando knife to finish off the wounded, Maginot Line bunker, 2 million rounds of ammo, gas mask (since we all know looters are armed with gas bombs).

What a rational person would need to stop looters, in the unlikely event they come up the driveway: Single shot shotgun, 2 rounds of birdshot.

A few weeks back, one of my coworkers was talking about getting an AK-47 for home defense.

“Oh. Do you have a big problem with roving bands of marauding bandits around your apartment complex in your neighborhood of San Diego?”

107 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:04:27pm

re: #101 calochortus

I’d better go do my grocery shopping before the rest of the population finds out about the pending insurrection.
BBL

Don’t forget the milk, bread and butter. Stock-up.

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:05:00pm

Damn Obama. Now he’s creating a Velveeta shortage right before the Super Bowl!

nbcnews.com

109 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:05:44pm

re: #61 Dr. Matt

The operators involved in the bin Laden raid planned and trained for months for a single mission lasting around 40 minutes. These nimrods actually believe an untrained, undisciplined mob of white trash rednecks with their semi-autos can out-battle the US military? Please proceed.

I had one wingnut say “just look at how the civilian terrorists in Iraq fought against our troops. Don’t underestimate a civilian army”. To which I reminded him that many of those civilians had been actually fighting some kind of war since they exited their mothers womb. Not sitting in front of Faux news channel, stroking their pistol, and dreaming of being super soldier.

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:05:50pm

re: #106 Kragar

A few weeks back, one of my coworkers was talking about getting an AK-47 for home defense.

“Oh. Do you have a big problem with roving bands of marauding bandits around your apartment complex in your neighborhood of San Diego?”

for fuck’s sake, no civilian NEEDS an AK-47.

does your co-worker know about Ruby Ridge? I think there are a lot of lessons there.

111 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:06:16pm

re: #107 FemNaziBitch

Don’t forget the milk, bread and butter. Stock-up.

The milk will spoil - get the powdered kind.

The bread will rot - get flour and make your own.

The butter will spoil - if you need fat to eat get some canola oil.

Prepping for the coming insurrection will take some careful planning.

112 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:06:26pm

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

So this “Army of Patriots” will be full of “minutemen” refuse to take orders from anyone they disagree with or find not fully and ravenously patriotic as themselves.

They envision a ‘shaking out’ period after their instantaneous (1 week) patriotic victory. They really do.

113 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:07:13pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

I have a hard time believing Senators work for their respsective States. Their paychecks do not come from the State Treasury that elected them.

Their paychecks come from People and Nation of the United States (PNUS: combination Rome/dick joke, heh) but half of them consistently vote against the interests of 99% of their theoretical paymasters.

114 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:07:45pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Very disappointing post, Decatur Deb, unless I misunderstood you.

115 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:08:28pm

re: #106 Kragar

A few weeks back, one of my coworkers was talking about getting an AK-47 for home defense.

“Oh. Do you have a big problem with roving bands of marauding bandits around your apartment complex in your neighborhood of San Diego?”

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have. Obviously each nut thinks his individual redoubt is so important the looter hordes will devote an army of zombies to besieging it for months on end.

116 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:08:38pm

re: #92 SteveMcGazi

What you’re not getting is that the military isn’t on anybody’s side. If Obama and Biden are gone, and Boehner is the President, they’ll take orders from him as faithfully as they would take orders from any President, no matter how he or she got into office. The reason they only want 3% is that’s about the margin of control between the parties. The nutters think that be decapitating the administration, the government will carry on it’s duties under the new management. Following that, they think they just need those few voters, along with the voter suppression laws already in force to cement their gains. They don’t need a 9 million man army or anything like that.

Oh, no. I’m getting that. But what I’m saying is that once the violence starts, there’s no reason to assume it stops with Boehner as President for any period of time. Nor would I expect Boehner to act like the Tea Party’s lapdog if he became President that way, especially if he wanted to keep on breathing. Remember, LBJ was able to move legislation more liberal than Kennedy had proposed, largely on the basis of carrying on Kennedy’s dreams. Boehner wouldn’t sign a repeal of Obamacare under those circumstances.

117 kerFuFFler  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:08:39pm

re: #46 erik_t

Isn’t constant terror a kind of exhausting way to go through life?

I’m not sure that they are really so much afraid of the culture changing though that is part of it. Mostly these losers live such pathetic, unadventurous lives that they can only dream of heroic battles in which they see themselves becoming important historic figures. Sad, really….

118 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:09:30pm

re: #109 Eventual Carrion

I had one wingnut say “just look at how the civilian terrorists in Iraq fought against our troops. Don’t underestimate a civilian army”. To which I reminded him that many of those civilians had been actually fighting some kind of war since they exited their mothers womb. Not sitting in front of Faux news channel, stroking their pistol, and dreaming of being super soldier.

Also, it may bear repeating, that the people this guy apparently lionizes (or at least valorizes) were engaged in the killing of the speaker’s countrymen. Disgusting.

119 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:10:09pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

for fuck’s sake, no civilian NEEDS an AK-47.

does your co-worker know about Ruby Ridge? I think there are a lot of lessons there.

I own 1 pistol and 1 shotgun, neither of which have been fired in years and only come out once a year or so for a cleaning. I’ve been thinking of getting rid of the pistol.

Anyone who thinks having more weapons keeps them safer is a moron.

Now my bayonet collection I just keep because I’ve got some really nice pieces from the early 1900s thru the Korean war.

120 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:10:53pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

Tactical bacon> OMG….

121 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:11:25pm

re: #114 EdDantes

Very disappointing post, Decatur Deb, unless I misunderstood you.

That goes double for this one from you.

122 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:11:39pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

The thesis is that the (First) American Revolution was pulled off with that level of involvement.

So the French are going to help them? They better tone down that freedom fry thing then.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:11:52pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have. Obviously each nut thinks his individual redoubt is so important the looter hordes will devote an army of zombies to besieging it for months on end.

$24 for a 9oz can of bacon. Probably a nice profit margin if you can get the sales.

Was it _Lucifer’s Hammer_ where a character realized what was coming, stockpiled spices, jerky, etc. and then got looted/robbed within a few days of the event? Matches up with some folk who have joked that they know where their local survivalists are and know who to go loot right away if the balloon goes up. (Also goes to the Simpsons episode where Homer has the only bomb shelter when the meteor is coming.)

124 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:12:33pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have. Obviously each nut thinks his individual redoubt is so important the looter hordes will devote an army of zombies to besieging it for months on end.

Or, using simple portable cover, get up close and smoke them out in a few hours.

125 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:13:05pm

Somebody mentioned bin Laden a few posts above and that made me remember that Al Qaeda didn’t need an army to do what it did to the US. It only needed twenty men. Next thing you know, America was panicking and jettisoning Constitutional rights and protections like you wouldn’t believe, goaded the US into wasting thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on an unnecessary war and devastated its historical good standing. Anybody who thinks that my scenario is unrealistic had better read some pretty recent history.

126 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:13:20pm

re: #114 EdDantes

Very disappointing post, Decatur Deb, unless I misunderstood you.

Let’s elaborate. The mental state of the anti-Obama nutcases is far worse than the Clinton-era militias. They have far more powerful tools in the Internet. They actually have second-generation ideologues like the Sipsey nut. Hillary looks to them like another 8 years in the wilderness. And they have more guns than god. Tell me how this ends without bloodshed.

127 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:13:24pm

How do looter hordes and zombies organize themselves for siege warfare anyway? Obviously they would have leaders, probably NEA officials and inner city politicians, but what kind of units do they have? In the Walking Dead, the walkers are known to move in herds, but what about smaller tactical units? How many gangs in a herd, for example, and how many herds in a horde? How do you enforce discipline when your troops eat, rather than use, brains?

128 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:13:42pm

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

So this “Army of Patriots” will be full of “minutemen” refuse to take orders from anyone they disagree with or find not fully and ravenously patriotic as themselves.

See also: Catalonia, Homage To?

129 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:14:35pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have. Obviously each nut thinks his individual redoubt is so important the looter hordes will devote an army of zombies to besieging it for months on end.

You’re not getting it. The violence goes no farther than the assassinations. After that, they think they can use the system to keep their ill gotten gains.

130 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:16:10pm

re: #129 SteveMcGazi

You’re not getting it. The violence goes no farther than the assassinations. After that, they think they can use the system to keep their ill gotten gains.

Because that approach has worked so well throughout history.

It’s like they’ve never given any thought to after coup armed resistance from people who can’t stand them.

131 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:16:12pm

re: #98 Schadenboner

I agree that it is nonsensical to have a house of the states. But the Senate was supposed to be and that’s how it was organized. That’s also why the Senate and not the House approves treaties and Cabinet/judicial appointees. These are powers that were supposed to be done with the approval of the states (as represented by the Senate) not approved by the people (who have their representation in the House).

As I said, I agree that it is nonsensical to have a house of the states. I think it’s nonsensical to not have a unicameral (popular) legislature. And repealing the 17th would be a worse outcome than not repealing it. But that doesn’t mean that the Senate should continue to exist.

That’s not what I said.

What I said was that it makes no sense to say that the Senate represents the states, not the people, because the states are made of people. Senators elected directly by the people of a state represent that state AT LEAST as clearly as Senators appointed by the state legislatures.

Personally, I’d like to see the continued slow dissolution of the power of the states, starting with the end of the Electoral College. There’s no reason why some clown in Wyoming’s vote should carry 4 times the weight of my vote as a Californian in choosing the President.

132 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:17:22pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have. Obviously each nut thinks his individual redoubt is so important the looter hordes will devote an army of zombies to besieging it for months on end.

Glen Beck has been making lots of money off these folks.

133 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:18:22pm

re: #102 SteveMcGazi

It’s worth remembering that without a Senate we wouldn’t have a Constitution. The Senate, in spite of its current flaws, tends to put the brakes on a sometimes crazy House of Representatives.

I agree that the House are lunatics but to be honest I’m not sure if I see how this is true. The Senate is a creation of the Constitution (as are all the various appendages of the US: House, Presidency, Judiciary, and so on). Or am I reading you over-literally?

134 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:18:44pm

If push really does come to shove.

I think the military will win —everything.

135 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:18:52pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

That goes double for this one from you.

I think we three are starting to talk past each other.

136 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:19:04pm

Enough said…

137 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:21:14pm

re: #129 SteveMcGazi

You’re not getting it. The violence goes no farther than the assassinations. After that, they think they can use the system to keep their ill gotten gains.

It’s a fact, not speculation, that millions of them are making these preparations. Much of this is aimed at other scenarios, but it’s obvious they do expect a backlash, and this is how they expect to handle it. It is so common an assumption on the right, that they are better prepared to use violence, that it needs no exposition from the coup advocates.

138 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:21:50pm

Yellen confirmed as the Fed Chair.

139 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:22:13pm

tactical bacon

my strategic fried chicken beats your tactical bacon ennyday

140 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:23:31pm

re: #122 Eventual Carrion

So the French are going to help them? They better tone down that freedom fry thing then.

I think they would be better off looking to China or Russia, I’d say they’re the France-cognates of today (a #2 great power with (edit: decently) strong army, weak navy compared to their proxy-enemy, ambitions to usurp the position of the #1).

And I don’t doubt for a second that these counselors of treason would consort with either or both of them.

141 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:23:53pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

If push really does come to shove.

I think the military will win —everything.

Of course they do. Steve’s perceived threat only makes sense if the people causing the coup are working at totally different purposes from those that execute it—a bit of a conspiracy within a conspiracy.

142 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:24:06pm

Good to keep for those people who argue about legitimate rape:

143 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:24:58pm

re: #137 Shiplord Kirel

It’s a fact, not speculation, that millions of them are making these preparations. Much of this is aimed at other scenarios, but it’s obvious they do expect a backlash, and this is how they expect to handle it. It is so common an assumption on the right, that they are better prepared to use violence, that it needs no exposition from the coup advocates.

This. There may well be some few who fantasize about some swift stroke removing both Obama and Biden, and it all stopping there, but they’re the minority of the crazy ones, who picture something much more prolonged and violent.

I tend to agree with Decatur Deb that the likelihood of a coup is negligible, but the likelihood of an OKC-style terrorist attack is significant.

144 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:25:45pm

Neal Young at Carnegie Hall:
Youtube Video

145 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:26:54pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

I have no answer

146 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:29:02pm

I… never mind. O_o

*turns around and walks back out*

147 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:30:21pm

re: #145 EdDantes

I have no answer

It doesn’t have to be correct. What part seems unrealistic?

148 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:30:55pm

Forgot to mention it because I was sick, but I have the coolest 10 year old girl in the world.

She went to sleepover saturday night, so it was a bunch of 5th grade girls who decided to bring up youtube videos and sing along with them.

Because of my daughter, the most popular song at her elementary school this week is “Ride Captain Ride”

Youtube Video

149 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:32:18pm

Cthulhuists are sitting back and enjoying the moment:

gawker.com

150 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:33:50pm

re: #102 SteveMcGazi

It’s worth remembering that without a Senate we wouldn’t have a Constitution. The Senate, in spite of its current flaws, tends to put the brakes on a sometimes crazy House of Representatives.

If we didn’t have a Senate, we’d still be in the middle of a government shutdown right now.

151 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:34:38pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

I didn’t even mention the enormous stash of survival supplies, such as tactical bacon, these folks have.

I’m old enough to remember when ‘tactical bacon’ was just ‘camping’ bacon.

152 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:38:47pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Grabs her hand & induces girly skipping.
BECAUSE!

153 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:38:49pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

There will be no bloodshed from the right.I oppose Obama but I am against violence,

154 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:39:32pm

Also, without a Senate right now, the ACA would’ve been repealed, Obama would’ve been impeached for whatever trumped up reason (BENGHAZI! Nirth certifkit! Eleventy!) and we’d be well on our way to being a Third World nation.

155 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:40:24pm

re: #149 lawhawk

Cthulhuists are sitting back and enjoying the moment:

gawker.com

“Suffer the little children to come to me, and then they’ll suffer some more?”

156 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:42:39pm

re: #153 EdDantes

There will be no bloodshed from the right.I oppose Obama but I am against violence,

People said the same thing during Clinton’s time in office. That didn’t stop Tim McVeigh.

There are a whole lot of people in this country who lost their shit when a black man became President. They became even more unhinged as they saw their alternate reality bubble popped in 2012. Don’t count any of those nutbars out. There’s a reason the Secret Service has been working overtime on Obama detail since 2007.

157 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:45:02pm

re: #153 EdDantes

There will be no bloodshed from the right.I oppose Obama but I am against violence,

That can be true from the right horizon that you see. There is an Internet cottage industry, much of it admittedly a scam, that declares that “The Rule of Law is dead” and recommends that patriots make lists of local LEO, government bureaucrats, and other ‘takers’ against the day. Most of it is BS, but the volume is high and there are dimwits listening. It’s no great leap from the klan to McVeigh, to a guy stuffing envelopes with ricin.

158 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:47:48pm

re: #157 Decatur Deb

That can be true from the right horizon that you see. There is an Internet cottage industry, much of it admittedly a scam, that declares that “The Rule of Law is dead” and recommends that patriots make lists of local LEO, government bureaucrats, and other ‘takers’ against the day. Most of it is BS, but the volume is high and there are dimwits listening. It’s no great leap from the klan to McVeigh, to a guy stuffing envelopes with ricin.

I recall the volume amped way up before the OKC bombing; that was before the internet became as ubiquitous as it is now.

The volume now is becoming deafening.

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:48:59pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

There are furious masses training at the Quebec border.

Furious Rob Ford is furious…

160 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:49:42pm

I wish I could be hopeful about there being no violence but it only takes one individual as we saw with Anders Brevik. I’ll tell you this much. It doesn’t help with the rhetoric we see directed against Obama. People are of course free to criticize the president but it creates a hostile astmophere where the democratically elected president of the United States is likened to Hitler because of wanting to expand health care coverage. Where judges saying that it’s unconstitutional to prohibit same sex couples from marrying is a form of tyranny. It only takes one person. I pray that such a thing will not occur but there is a cottage industry of people who flat out refuse to accept Barack Obama’s legitimacy as leader of our country and many of them love to talk about how armed they are.

161 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:50:17pm

And on the lighter side..

Inmate escapes prison in Kentucky, turns himself back in because of the cold
Read more: nydailynews.com

Soon as I saw that I thought “how long before that shows up on “Justified”?

RBS

162 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:52:00pm

re: #111 freetoken

The milk will spoil - get the powdered kind.

The bread will rot - get flour and make your own.

The butter will spoil - if you need fat to eat get some canola oil.

Prepping for the coming insurrection will take some careful planning.

And honey, lots of honey.

163 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:52:52pm

re: #161 RealityBasedSteve

And on the lighter side..

>Inmate escapes prison in Kentucky, turns himself back in because of the cold
Read more: nydailynews.com

Soon as I saw that I thought “how long before that shows up on “Justified”?

RBS

That’s why you escape in June.

164 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:55:15pm
165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:56:25pm

re: #164 Kragar

[Embedded content]

That just angers me. Oh you don’t have the time assholes? It’s a fucking human life.

166 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:38pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

That just angers me. Oh you don’t have the time assholes? It’s a fucking human life.

If true, that cop deserves the death penalty.

167 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:58:56pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

I’m surprised an OKC event hasn’t happened yet.

Most of them do remember that Timothy McVeigh caught a needle in the arm and that way of dying doesn’t fit the romantic fantasy.

168 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:59:04pm

Sun and temps are dropping—dogwalk time.

169 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:59:29pm

re: #166 Kragar

If true, that cop deserves the death penalty.

If you have to have the DP, it’s for people like that.

170 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:04pm

Why the hell do dogs get so hyper in cold weather? Crazy bastards…..

171 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:12pm

re: #167 William Barnett-Lewis

Most of them do remember that Timothy McVeigh caught a needle in the arm and that way of dying doesn’t fit the romantic fantasy.

True. They also likely presume there would be a massive backlash against them if they tried that sort of thing.

172 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:26pm

re: #156 Lidane

People said the same thing during Clinton’s time in office. That didn’t stop Tim McVeigh.

There are a whole lot of people in this country who lost their shit when a black man became President. They became even more unhinged as they saw their alternate reality bubble popped in 2012. Don’t count any of those nutbars out. There’s a reason the Secret Service has been working overtime on Obama detail since 2007.

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

173 BusyMonster  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:29pm

re: #42 SteveMcGazi

You can jump on all the “fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads” all you want, but won’t after the fact be too late?

There won’t be a fact of them starting a revolution, Steve. The Tea Party’s demographic consists of hangers-on, followers, bandwagon-riders, loudmouths, oh, and by the way the dumbest 10-20% of our population.

The people who are of zero use.

Whose jobs could be done by a monkey.

Who just get in the way of useful, productive people.

These are the Tea Partiers who keep screaming they’re going to overthrow Obama. Fat. Lazy. Stupid. Incompetent. I have not encountered a Teabagger with any serious intelligence or moral courage, not online or in person. They are not the kind of people I find intimidating or threatening, intellectually or otherwise, as individuals. Usually they are failures in some way, in their own life.

They are never, ever going to do anything but run their lazy mouths about it, and if by chance one of these little punks gets all excitable and starts shooting at us Americans, he’s gonna end up dogpiled to the ground with the barrel of his gun shoved right up his ass.

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:53pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Why the hell do dogs get so hyper in cold weather? Crazy bastards…..

Worry about the sun not coming back and knowing that they need to pee and crap real fast since it’s cold out there.

(Edit: And knowing that the cat would lock them out in a moment given the chance.)

175 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:00:56pm

re: #2 RealityBasedSteve

At what point the line is crossed between free speech and advocating sedition I am not sure, but in this case they have to be WAY over it.

Of course, since Obama is a dictator who is crushing the real ‘merica down, I’m sure that the black panel van is already on it’s way to pick up Garrow and Santelli. Oh wait… not going to happen.

RBS

I agree. I cannot see how this is constitutionally protected speech. Open advocacy of violence against the POTUS and elected officials is criminal.

176 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:02:59pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

He was inspired strongly by the writer of the Turner Diaries. I’ll give you that McVeigh wasn’t part of the mainstream right but to dismiss him as a mere anarchist is dishonest. And despite what you believe a lot of your fellow conservatives do want harm to him. You may not want it yourself but for god sake recognize the fact that there is violent opposition to Obama from the right.

177 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:03:26pm

re: #150 Lidane

If we didn’t have a Senate, we’d still be in the middle of a government shutdown right now.

re: #154 Lidane

Also, without a Senate right now, the ACA would’ve been repealed, Obama would’ve been impeached for whatever trumped up reason (BENGHAZI! Nirth certifkit! Eleventy!) and we’d be well on our way to being a Third World nation.

These are counterfactuals so divorced from history that it’s essentially impossible to propose a counterargument. That being said: I have it on reliable authority that if we didn’t have a Senate we would each be wearing rocket boots and commuting to work on the moon every day!

The 2-seat-per-state Senate is pointless, but the real problem is the gerrymandering of House seats and the malapportionment of those seats among the states, and the refusal of the House to expand to stay representative of the nation as a whole) that leads to more (D) votes being cast returning more (R) house members. (Side note: where do you hear about this in the oh-so-liberal media? This is, or should be, a scandal and yet no one reports it so no one cares. Makes me goddamn sick.)

Maybe a select committee of an actually representative House (one that’s scaled to meet the size of the population: maybe one per 500k citizens (divided up according to actual population, minimum of 1 per state), resize to occur at time of apportionment) could be formed for the advise and consent and treaty functions of the Senate? I agree with the founders at that a large-body legislature is probably not a good way to approve judges.

178 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:05:34pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

I wish I could be hopeful about there being no violence but it only takes one individual as we saw with Anders Brevik. I’ll tell you this much. It doesn’t help with the rhetoric we see directed against Obama. People are of course free to criticize the president but it creates a hostile astmophere where the democratically elected president of the United States is likened to Hitler because of wanting to expand health care coverage. Where judges saying that it’s unconstitutional to prohibit same sex couples from marrying is a form of tyranny. It only takes one person. I pray that such a thing will not occur but there is a cottage industry of people who flat out refuse to accept Barack Obama’s legitimacy as leader of our country and many of them love to talk about how armed they are.

life is uncertain and unfair, and we are powerless against cruel fate

some people deal with it differently than others

179 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:06:09pm

re: #177 Schadenboner

These are counterfactuals so divorced from history that it’s essentially impossible to propose a counterargument. That being said: I have it on reliable authority that if we didn’t have a Senate we would each be wearing rocket boots and commuting to work on the moon every day!

The 2-seat-per-state Senate is pointless, but the real problem is the gerrymandering of House seats (and the apportionment of those seats among the states, and the refusal of the House to expand to stay representative of the nation as a whole) that leads to more (D) votes being cast returning more (R) house members. (Side note: where do you hear about this in the oh-so-liberal media? This is, or should be, a scandal and yet no one reports it so no one cares. Makes me goddamn sick.)

Maybe a select committee of an actually representative House (one that’s scaled to meet the size of the population: maybe one per 500k citizens (divided up according to actual population, minimum of 1 per state), resize to occur at time of apportionment) could be formed for the advise and consent and treaty functions of the Senate? I agree with the founders at that a large-body legislature is probably not a good way to approve judges.

Or do something real interesting and do two representative houses with a Premier House and a Secondary House from “lesser” states. Every year based on some (to be decided, but essentially amusingly arbitrary) criteria some delegations are relegated to the lesser house and the “better” ones in the lesser house promoted.

;)

180 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:06:32pm

re: #164 Kragar

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This is what is really wrong with this country.

A 90 lb schizophrenic teen shot for what reason? Brutish cops couldn’t “defend” themselves?

Fuck those bastards.

181 blueraven  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:07:39pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

You may not want to claim him and I don’t blame you.
He was definitely of the FAR RIGHT anti-government militia type

182 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:07:45pm

Two, we care a lot about women’s experiences. We know that 1 in 3 women are going to have an abortion in their lifetime. And choosing to be a parent or not is a big decision. Whatever a woman decides, we want to know what can improve their outcomes. What do they need from their social networks and their friends? What are the long-term effects of silence and secrecy?

The third area of interest is social inequities. Where is there uneven distribution of services, uneven distribution of economic outcomes?

The Turnaway Study arose out of the second and third set of concerns. Abortion opponents have been pushing the idea that abortion hurts women, that they feel regret. With 1.3 million women having an abortion every year, it’s likely that a certain number do feel regret. That’s the natural curve of any kind of big decision. What we want to know is: Who are those women and what do they need?

But another of our questions was: what happens to women who wanted an abortion but couldn’t get one? What happens to her economically, what happens to her psychologically, what happens to her other kids? That was the underlying question behind the Turnaway Study.

also Paged

Seems there is a ban on federal funding for abortion research —similar to the ban on federal funding for gun research.

183 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:08:29pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

Have you noticed that violent militia movements ALWAYS coincide with democratic presidents??

There hasn’t been an organized militant violence prone left in 70 years. The FBI and Hoover pretty much gutted what passed for an organized left in the 60’s with COINTELPRO. The Weathermen never amounted to more than a handful of people.

But we do have an organized, militant and violence prone right. Oh yes indeed.

184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:09:04pm

re: #153 EdDantes

There will be no bloodshed from the right.I oppose Obama but I am against violence,

But you’re not somebody like Andrew Scott Boguslawski…

185 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:09:13pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

He was inspired strongly by the writer of the Turner Diaries. I’ll give you that McVeigh wasn’t part of the mainstream right but to dismiss him as a mere anarchist is dishonest. And despite what you believe a lot of your fellow conservatives do want harm to him. You may not want it yourself but for god sake recognize the fact that there is violent opposition to Obama from the right.

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the violent opposition to Obama from the right.

186 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:09:39pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

You haven’t been reading the commenters over on Breitbart (or any conservative blog) lately, have you?

My sense is that most of them are armchair patriots, swilling a beer with one hand while polishing a rifle with the other while Rush/Hannity/Beck blares in the background, telling them what they want to hear.

But it takes only one deranged enough to actually go through with it.

Such as Scott Roeder, Byron Williams, Joseph Stack…

187 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:10:13pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

Bullshit.

In 1993, he drove to Waco, Texas during the Waco Siege to show his support. At the scene, he distributed pro-gun rights literature and bumper stickers, such as “When guns are outlawed, I will become an outlaw.” He told a student reporter:

The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.

He sounds no different than any card-carrying teabagger.

188 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:10:50pm
Since I started this work, I’ve been intrigued to discover that there’s a whole body of criticism —a lot of it around climate change — over whether courts should have anything to do with science. When the D.C. federal court was set up, all the patent cases went there. There was a recognition that these issues were really complicated —more science-y — and you needed to have judges who had specific expertise to decide them. Now, whether they’re about environmental science or, in our case, health-related science, these cases are being spread out across multiple courts, and judges with absolutely no scientific training are being asked to make adjudications about science. Should we be training judges to review science? Should we be thinking about specialty courts with scientific expertise?

This is important.

same Page as #182

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:11:19pm

re: #171 Dr Lizardo

True. They also likely presume there would be a massive backlash against them if they tried that sort of thing.

We had some sort of phenomenon called “frostquakes” overnight.
Dogs & cats all went psychotic…

190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:11:28pm

re: #174 Feline Fearless Leader

Worry about the sun not coming back and knowing that they need to pee and crap real fast since it’s cold out there.

My dog is the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to cold weather. For some reason his usual dump-taking spot just won’t do at all, and he has to travel across miles of tundra like Nanook of the North, invariably headlong into the 400MPH wind, and then spend a small eternity sniffing every little morsel that he usually wouldn’t even notice. If I happen to have a cold or something (as I have had for the past week and a half now) he takes even longer. Cold and freezing winds don’t seem to bother him at all.

Rain is a different story, however. If it’s raining when it’s time to Go Outside, he acts like I’m dragging him out the door for a savage beating.

191 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:12:50pm

re: #190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

My dog is the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to cold weather. For some reason his usual dump-taking spot just won’t do at all, and he has to travel across miles of tundra like Nanook of the North, invariably headlong into the 400MPH wind, and then spend a small eternity sniffing every little morsel that he usually wouldn’t even notice. If I happen to have a cold or something (as I have had for the past week and a half now) he takes even longer. Cold and freezing winds don’t seem to bother him at all.

Rain is a different story, however. If it’s raining when it’s time to Go Outside, he acts like I’m dragging him out the door for a savage beating.

Genetic? Is it a sled dog or something?

192 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:13:13pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist.

Bullshit. “No True Scotsman” is a fallacy, not an argument. McVeigh’s position was merely at the extreme of those in the ‘Militia’ movement.

We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

Then all you need do is wait till 21Jan17.

The problem with your argument, Ed, is that nobody’s saying the entire American Right Wing wants a coup, or wants Obama dead. But the rhetoric on the Right is violent, and filled with violent imagery. It doesn’t take a genius to put together “”The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” with calling Obama a tyrant. Who else’s blood are we to assume is meant?

Sure, most of them are cowardly blowhards, but there are always crazies among them. McVeigh was not in fact a “Lone Wolf”, but rather part of a small conspiracy, so why, when rhetoric is even more heated than it was then, are we to presume that nothing like this would happen again?

193 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:13:48pm
re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

en.wikipedia.org McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York, in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military, but voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections.

Remind us again how someone other than the right votes Republican and Libertarian and is part of the NRA.

194 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:13:58pm

re: #177 Schadenboner

These are counterfactuals so divorced from history that it’s essentially impossible to propose a counterargument. That being said: I have it on reliable authority that if we didn’t have a Senate we would each be wearing rocket boots and commuting to work on the moon every day!

Huh? We have actual voting patterns and statements from the house to use in an analysis. You do know that, don’t you? If we had a singe house congress (which many Founders really did not approve of, having the populist Cromwell experience to draw from), there would be a very good chance that the POTUS would have been impeached in 2010 and the ACA would have been strangled in the crib.

Also, we would look an awful lot like Italy in terms of government turnover…which is what scared the Founders into having a bicameral legislature and a heavy bias towards stability.

195 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:14:20pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the >violent opposition to Obama from the right.

Maybe not violent but there is this:

Image: William+Kostric.jpg

And this:

Image: 912-teaparty-dc-we-came-unarmed-this-time.jpg

196 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:14:33pm

re: #172 EdDantes

Tim McVeigh has nothing to do with anything! He was not part of the right! If anything he was an anarchist. We conservatives don’t want Obama dead. We wan him retired in Hawaii.

Seriously? No true Scotsman conservative? Have you read his letters, to Fox News and to the judge of his case? Or any of the things he wrote prior to the bombing?

You could put them in comments on the corner and get a hundred agreements.

197 allegro  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:14:52pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the >violent opposition to Obama from the right.

Read the OP at the top of the page.

198 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:15:17pm

re: #195 thecommodore

Maybe not violent but there is this:

Image: William+Kostric.jpg

And this:

Image: 912-teaparty-dc-we-came-unarmed-this-time.jpg

Second amendment solutions too.

199 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:15:35pm

re: #191 Schadenboner

Nah, he’s a Rhodesian Ridgeback mix.

200 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:15:42pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the >violent opposition to Obama from the right.

Shall we start with the skinhead murderers in Philly, acting on their belief that Obama was going to ban guns? The arrests of neo nazi types in Colorado who were planning an assassination? Shall we continue?

201 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:16:18pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the >violent opposition to Obama from the right.

I don’t know about you but I consider calling for the military to have a coup against our elected president to be violent opposition. Just because a lot of these guys are just talk doesn’t make their opposition non-violent.

202 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:17:34pm

re: #193 Dr. Matt

en.wikipedia.org McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York, in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military, but voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections.

Remind us again how someone other than the right votes Republican and Libertarian and is part of the NRA.

I don’t disagree that some rightists (perhaps only a few, I would argue probably a larger part than most rightists would like to admit) want to do violence to the P/VPOTUS (either at a purely masturbatory/aspirational level or on an operational one) but party affiliation proves nothing and means nothing. It’s dirty pool to pretend otherwise.

203 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:18:08pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the >violent opposition to Obama from the right.

If I point you to the known assassination attempts will you then try No True Scotsman again, saying they were skinheads or crazies or anarchists or militias and not ‘really’ conservatives?

Yes, I think you would. You didn’t even acknowledge the original post.

204 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:18:08pm

WaPo appears to be desperate to be the MBF of the day, which would explain their publishing of these:

First - more on global warming:

The Insiders: Democrats must quit denying the political science of global warming

There is so much wrong with that editorial, not the least of which is the multiple layers of deception. It’s a practiced piece of propaganda.

Not quite as bad as above, but the following is an example of selective presentation of data:

No, there’s no good evidence that Republicans are becoming more partisan about evolution

The writer, Andrew Gelman, totally ignores the large increase in creationism - the third column in the table - in his arguments.

205 danarchy  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:18:14pm

re: #190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

My dog is the biggest pain in the ass when it comes to cold weather. For some reason his usual dump-taking spot just won’t do at all, and he has to travel across miles of tundra like Nanook of the North, invariably headlong into the 400MPH wind, and then spend a small eternity sniffing every little morsel that he usually wouldn’t even notice. If I happen to have a cold or something (as I have had for the past week and a half now) he takes even longer. Cold and freezing winds don’t seem to bother him at all.

Rain is a different story, however. If it’s raining when it’s time to Go Outside, he acts like I’m dragging him out the door for a savage beating.

Same here, I have a Norwegian Elkhound and the only thing that will keep her inside is rain. And apparently something about really cold air must make scents travel farther because she is usually really good on leash, but when it is really cold out she HAS to go check out every smell in the neighborhood.

206 thecommodore  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:18:52pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Second amendment solutions too.

Yes, forgot about her. Sharron Angle…

207 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:20:22pm

re: #185 EdDantes

You are absolutely right. Please refresh my memory on the violent opposition to Obama from the right.

You’re kidding, right?

—> Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:20:55pm

re: #206 thecommodore

Yes, forgot about her. Sharron Angle…

Yep I mean obviously not every conservative opponent of the president is violently opposed to him but I think it’s ignorant to think there isn’t violent opposition to Obama from the right. Frankly, there’s violent opposition to every president but it’s magnified under this one because of right wing politicians like Angle who pander to it.

209 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:21:07pm

re: #202 Schadenboner

I don’t disagree that some rightists (perhaps only a few, I would argue probably a larger part than most rightists would like to admit) want to do violence to the P/VPOTUS (either at a purely masturbatory/aspirational level or on an operational one) but party affiliation proves nothing and means nothing. It’s dirty pool to pretend otherwise.

The pool is dirty because it is entirely populated by right wing violence fetishists. They may not be your sort of republican, but they cannot be wished away.

210 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:21:11pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

As long as it’s not written by Jerry Pournelle.

Pournelle would have nothing to do with these fools. He’s a right-of-center fellow, but he understands practicalities and would correctly call these fools ‘reactionaries’.

211 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:21:34pm

How much is the rightwing paying Santelli to get this kind of crap on the air?

As much as they did for his “Chicago tea party” rant in 2009?

212 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:21:41pm

re: #202 Schadenboner

…..but party affiliation proves nothing and means nothing. It’s dirty pool to pretend otherwise.

Keep telling yourself that….and don’t forget to shower after you get out of the dirty pool of denial. Derp

213 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:21:51pm

re: #206 thecommodore

Yes, forgot about her. Sharron Angle…

Or Palin’s crosshair-map. Merely a general-election candidate for the Senate of the United States of America that won 45% of her state’s vote. Obviously a fringe nutter, completely unrepresentative of any meaningful faction of the party that nominated her…

214 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:22:33pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

You’re kidding, right?

—> Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

Besides those, obviously.
/

215 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:23:43pm

It is not new that newspaper have to rely on generating controversy to sell their product. It’s as old as the printing press.

But in this day and age of electronic publishing the speed at which a non-troversy can be created, or in the case of the WaPo today, the generation of counter-positions just to get eyes-on-product, I find just too exhausting.

Perhaps our entire society is now suffering from a sort of information PTSD - too much “information” hitting our eyes and ears that we are shutting down. Sadly so much of the “information” are lies and misdirection, but maybe the whole point is to wear down the masses so we will simply do as told?

216 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:23:49pm

re: #213 erik_t

Or Palin’s crosshair-map. Merely a general-election candidate for the Senate of the United States of America that won 45% of her state’s vote. Obviously a fringe nutter, completely unrepresentative of any meaningful faction of the party that nominated her…

Still makes me want to hurl that after Giffords got shot that Palin just make herself into the victim. The psychotic nut even called criticism of her a “blood libel.”

217 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:22pm

July 18, 2010
An unemployed parolee with two bank robbery convictions, apparently enraged at liberals and what he sees as the “left-wing agenda” of Congress, allegedly opens fire on California Highway Patrol troopers who pull him over in Oakland. No one is killed, but two troopers are slightly injured and Byron Williams is shot in the arms and legs. Williams allegedly later tells authorities that he was on his way to attack offices of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization that, although little known to most Americans, has been repeatedly pilloried on air by Fox News host Glenn Beck.

218 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:24pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Pournelle would have nothing to do with these fools. He’s a right-of-center fellow, but he understands practicalities and would correctly call these fools ‘reactionaries’.

I’m thinking more along the lines of the racism that wells up in books like “Lucifer’s Hammer”, where the brave, resourceful, and almost uniformly white farmers and ranchers defend themselves against the cannibalistic hordes of urban blacks.

To my shame, when I first read it I didn’t perceive just how deeply racist it was.

219 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:43pm
220 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:50pm

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

How much is the rightwing paying Santelli to get this kind of crap on the air?

As much as they did for his “Chicago tea party” rant in 2009?

Different guy.

221 Snarknado!  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:50pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Pournelle would have nothing to do with these fools. He’s a right-of-center fellow, but he understands practicalities and would correctly call these fools ‘reactionaries’.

Sadly, he started embracing fools a while back. However, what you said does cover most of his in-print books.

222 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:24:53pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

You’re kidding, right?

—> Terror From the Right: Plots, Conspiracies and Racist Rampages Since Oklahoma City

People who say ‘We conservatives’ don’t respect the SPLC.

223 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:25:32pm

June 8, 2010
A bomb packed into a soda can is planted outside Osage Baptist Church in Carroll City, Ark., where a polling station for a Democratic Senate primary runoff between Sen. Blanche Lincoln and Lt. Gov. Bill Halter is located. The device does not explode, although authorities say it was capable of causing death or serious bodily injury. Officials later receive a tip from contractors who hired to clean out the foreclosed home of self-described “Patriot” Mark Krause, where they find bomb-making materials, manuals, and materials related to antigovernment militias. Krause, who earlier posted antigovernment messages to MySpace, eventually is arrested in Seattle.

224 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:26:03pm

July 18, 2010
An unemployed parolee with two bank robbery convictions, apparently enraged at liberals and what he sees as the “left-wing agenda” of Congress, allegedly opens fire on California Highway Patrol troopers who pull him over in Oakland. No one is killed, but two troopers are slightly injured and Byron Williams is shot in the arms and legs. Williams allegedly later tells authorities that he was on his way to attack offices of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation, a liberal organization that, although little known to most Americans, has been repeatedly pilloried on air by Fox News host Glenn Beck.

225 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:26:08pm

re: #156 Lidane

People said the same thing during Clinton’s time in office. That didn’t stop Tim McVeigh.

There are a whole lot of people in this country who lost their shit when a black man became President. They became even more unhinged as they saw their alternate reality bubble popped in 2012. Don’t count any of those nutbars out. There’s a reason the Secret Service has been working overtime on Obama detail since 2007.

I’d have to agree. It’s worth remembering that the actual militias showed Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols the door, letting the two know clearly their advocacy of preemptive violence was unwelcome. But that didn’t stop the two men, as they had already been radicalized and wanted to kill.

226 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:26:34pm

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

227 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:19pm

2010 was a real bumper year for right wing craziness…

July 21, 2010
Attorney Todd Getgen is shot to death at a gun range in Cumberland County, Penn., and his weapon, a silenced AR-15 rifle, is stolen. Authorities arrest prison guard Raymond Peake nine days later, saying Peake was trying to accumulate weapons for an unnamed organization that intended to overthrow the government. Fellow prison guard Thomas Tuso is also arrested for allegedly helping Peake hide Getgen’s custom-built weapon. Peake is sentenced in 2012 to life in prison.

228 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:27pm

Does snow contain some special ingredient or flavor of which I am unaware?

Dog begs to out, crosses his hind legs, runs in circles, whimpers —then once outside, does nothing but eat snow. Holding one paw up in turn as they get too cold.

229 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:35pm

re: #161 RealityBasedSteve

Soon as I saw that I thought “how long before that shows up on “Justified”?

RBS

New season starts tonight, finally!

230 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:45pm

August 30, 2010
White supremacist Wayde Lynn Kurt is arrested in Spokane, Wash., on federal gun and forgery charges. Authorities later release audio recordings to support their allegation that he was planning a terrorist attack he called his “final solution,” which included killing President Obama. Wayde, a convicted felon who is associated with neo-Nazis and Odinists, is sentenced in May 2012 to 13 years in prison on firearms and false identification convictions after federal prosecutors sought and received a “terrorism enhancement” to his sentence.

231 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:52pm

re: #220 GeneJockey

Different guy.

Ah, yes. My bad. The “tea party” guy was Rick Santelli. {blush}

232 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:27:59pm

re: #194 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huh? We have actual voting patterns and statements from the house to use in an analysis. You do know that, don’t you? If we had a singe house congress (which many Founders really did not approve of, having the populist Cromwell experience to draw from), there would be a very good chance that the POTUS would have been impeached in 2010 and the ACA would have been strangled in the crib.

Also, we would look an awful lot like Italy in terms of government turnover…which is what scared the Founders into having a bicameral legislature and a heavy bias towards stability.

But without the Connecticut Compromise there would have been no constitution (related: I think I just realized what Steve meant, maybe?) so predicting anything after that divergence from actual history makes no sense. I guess: in what year does the Senate stop existing in your example? Under such examples are we still under the Articles of Confederation?

And beyond such considerations, I think that a majority of the House GOP aren’t nearly as stupid as they look/act. They don’t have to be the adults in the room because the President and the Senate are doing the heavy lifting for them. In a hypothetical unicameral government (let’s say that tomorrow the Senate were to go away) I would expect the amount of insanity getting piped out by the House GOP would vanish as the amount of shit they could get away with goes down.

In terms of evidence all I can say is that most of the House GOP now in office was in office before January 2009 and they weren’t nearly this floridly psychotic back then.

233 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:28:06pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

What a load of shit. You just got yourself my first downding in months for that self-serving hogwash.

234 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:28:16pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

You could stop being an ass while you’re at it.

235 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:28:40pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

So someone has to be a member of the Republican party to be a right winger in your book? Is that seriously what you’re suggesting?

236 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:28:57pm

November 1, 2011
Four members of an unnamed North Georgia militia are arrested in an alleged plot to bomb federal buildings, attack cities including Atlanta with deadly ricin, and murder law enforcement officials. The men - Frederick Thomas, 73, Samuel J. Crump, 68, Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65 - allegedly discussed dispersing ricin powder in a series of cities, “taking out” a list of officials to “make the country right again,” and scouting buildings in Atlanta to bomb. Authorities say the plot was inspired by an online novel, Absolved, written by longtime Alabama militiaman Mike Vanderboegh. Thomas, the accused ringleader, and Roberts plead guilty in April 2012 to charges of conspiring to possess explosives and firearms. Thomas and Roberts are each sentenced in August 2012 to five years in federal prison for conspiring to obtain an unregistered explosive device. Crump and Adams are awaiting trial.

237 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:29:42pm

re: #205 danarchy

Same here, I have a Norwegian Elkhound and the only thing that will keep her inside is rain. And apparently something about really cold air must make scents travel farther because she is usually really good on leash, but when it is really cold out she HAS to go check out every smell in the neighborhood.

see, this is why i have cats

ignatz cat can be a pain in the ass about being let in, let out, let back in, and let back out again, but in all weather he takes care of his bathroom needs by himself, and his poop is left i know not where nor care to

238 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:30:32pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

So someone has to be a member of the Republican party to be a right winger in your book? Is that seriously what you’re suggesting?

No, what he’s saying is that unless you can convince him that there is a concerted effort at violent insurrection involving the Republican Party, there is no violence or likelihood of violence from the Right.

IOW, ‘No True Scotsman’ writ large.

239 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:31:38pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

Is that passive-aggressive or active-aggressive?

240 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:31:51pm

re: #238 GeneJockey

No, what he’s saying is that unless you can convince him that there is a concerted effort at violent insurrection involving the Republican Party, there is no violence or likelihood of violence from the Right.

IOW, ‘No True Scotsman’ writ large.

Shit using that logic then, there was never any leftist violence in the past because the Democratic Party wasn’t directly involved either.

241 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:32:08pm
242 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:32:31pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

y’know, I usually see that sort of exaggerated sarcasm from junior high teens. It’s unpleasant in them, more so in someone who alleges to be an adult.

Grow up. Present data instead of stupid fallacies and whiny sarcasm, and maybe you’ll have some support.

243 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:32:53pm

Last night I heard a pitiful scratching and whimpering at my door. I looked. It was a stray brass monkey some thoughtless owner had left outside to freeze…………. and worse.
I gave it a blanket and a place by the fire.

244 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:33:04pm

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

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So true.

245 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:33:10pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Is that passive-aggressive or active-aggressive?

Active ignorant.

Also see “know nothing”.

246 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:33:26pm

re: #215 freetoken

It is not new that newspaper have to rely on generating controversy to sell their product. It’s as old as the printing press.

But in this day and age of electronic publishing the speed at which a non-troversy can be created, or in the case of the WaPo today, the generation of counter-positions just to get eyes-on-product, I find just too exhausting.

Perhaps our entire society is now suffering from a sort of information PTSD - too much “information” hitting our eyes and ears that we are shutting down. Sadly so much of the “information” are lies and misdirection, but maybe the whole point is to wear down the masses so we will simply do as told?

I definitely feel that — brain fuzz fog.

I’ve decided the cure is a book binge.

247 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:33:32pm

re: #242 kirkspencer

y’know, I usually see that sort of exaggerated sarcasm from junior high teens. It’s unpleasant in them, more so in someone who alleges to be an adult.

Grow up. Present data instead of stupid fallacies and whiny sarcasm, and maybe you’ll have some support.

You go to an argument with the intellect you have, not the intellect you wish you had.

248 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:33:47pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

I’m thinking more along the lines of the racism that wells up in books like “Lucifer’s Hammer”, where the brave, resourceful, and almost uniformly white farmers and ranchers defend themselves against the cannibalistic hordes of urban blacks.

To my shame, when I first read it I didn’t perceive just how deeply racist it was.

I think you may be wrong about that book. From the Wikipedia write-up:

While doctors and farmers are still valuable, lawyers are unnecessary, but if civilization is to be rebuilt, scientific knowledge is the most valuable skill of all. Soldiers and police are diminished in status, and provide security alongside gang members and bikers, both within the Stronghold and within the New Brotherhood Army. This latter group forms the legions of Reverend Henry Armitage, who managed to take control of the remnants of a former United States Army unit which had largely survived the Fall due to its being on maneuvers in the Sierra mountains, at altitudes high enough to survive the flooding. Armitage integrates the soldiers and his pre-existing band of followers, initiating them into cannibalism to shame them into loyalty, and maintains even more loyalty through a strict egalitarianism, where even the slightest indication of racial, social, or other prejudice is swiftly and severely punished.

249 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:34:19pm

re: #247 GeneJockey

You go to an argument with the intellect you have, not the intellect you wish you had.

I am sooooo gonna steal that one.

250 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:34:30pm

re: #234 Kragar

You could stop being an ass while you’re at it.

will someone get ed a candle while his head is up his ass?

251 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:34:45pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Is that passive-aggressive or active-aggressive?

Its “I’m a fucking asshole”

252 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:34:50pm

re: #209 Aunty Entity Dragon

The pool is dirty because it is entirely populated by right wing violence fetishists. They may not be your sort of republican, but they cannot be wished away.

1. Who are you calling a Republican?

2. “Hurf hurf hurf, So-and-so: registered such-and-such!” is a base and worthless form of argument. Even when true it proves nothing other than one person checked one box one time. By comparison, Michael Moore is an NRA member! Ronald Reagan was a union leader! It’s a fallacy of division, nothing more.

253 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:35:20pm

re: #226 EdDantes

Nobody said anything like that. Downding for the absurdist BS.

254 blueraven  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:35:44pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

Nice straw man you got there. Be sure to keep him warm.

255 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:35:55pm

I don’t remember reading Lucifer’s Hammer.

I vague remember Footfall —IIRC, the alien elephants?

256 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:35:59pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

I think you may be wrong about that book. From the Wikipedia write-up:

Dude, I read the fucking thing a number of times (I confess to being a big “End Of The World As We Know It”-fiction fan). I’m able to draw my own well-founded conclusions from it.

257 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:36:19pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

258 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:37:10pm

re: #233 GeneJockey

Gene, Gene, the down ding machine! Please capsulize for me the LGF position on McVeigh.

259 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:37:21pm

re: #249 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am sooooo gonna steal that one.

Feel free. I don’t believe in locking up my witticisms. I’m more like the Wicked Witch..

“Fly, my pretties, FLY!!!”
////

260 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:37:29pm

re: #249 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am sooooo gonna steal that one.

Just make sure you give Donald Runsfeld the original credit.

261 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:37:58pm

re: #252 Schadenboner

1. Who are you calling a Republican?

2. “Hurf hurf hurf, So-and-so: registered such-and-such!” is a base and worthless form of argument. Even when true it proves nothing other than one person checked one box one time. By comparison, Michael Moore is an NRA member! Ronald Reagan was a union leader! It’s a fallacy of division, nothing more.

I have no idea if you are in the GOP or not. I merely observed you engaging in a defense of said party…claiming the opinions of some members are normative of some types of Republicans while ignoring the activities of others, ergo relegating them as non members.

262 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:38:49pm

re: #226 EdDantes

You all have convinced me. Timothy Mcveigh was a tool of the republican party. His blowing up of the Murrah building was orchestrated by George H.W Bush. I apologize for any post that suggests otherwise.

I’m not talking about Republican Party here. The RWNJs have little more use for them than Dems. One very old site has no use for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution—it ushered in the era of enslavement of the states that culminated with Lincoln’s tyranny. There is a movement that identifies with the Articles of Confederation, and “Shooters” is in their name. I suspect you don’t appreciate the depth of the Well of Crazy.

263 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:38:52pm

Someone named “Susannah Cole” seems to know who Pete Santilli is.

susannahcole.wordpress.com

“Santilli has amassed a small group of die-hard trolls that believe his lies regardless of the truth while Santilli continues to aspire to be the “Howard Stern” of alternative media. In an industry created to save this country, it makes little sense to want to become rich and famous, yet as this expose will show, Santilli has been trying to rise beyond mediocrity all his life. With the advent of BlogTalk Radio, anyone can become a radio host. Santilli proves that literally ANYONE can gain some measure of fame - even if it means lying about who you are to get there.”

264 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:39:01pm

Something Weird This Way —#241 is appearing a line on my screen.

Did I post something wrong?

265 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:39:18pm

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

Just make sure you give Donald Runsfeld the original credit.

be sure to come hear the debut of my new band, the Unknown Unknowns

266 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:39:49pm

re: #252 Schadenboner

2. “Hurf hurf hurf, So-and-so: registered such-and-such!” is a base and worthless form of argument. Even when true it proves nothing other than one person checked one box one time. By comparison, Michael Moore is an NRA member! Ronald Reagan was a union leader! It’s a fallacy of division, nothing more.

Do you know why Moore joined the NRA? hint: because he thought he could become president of the NRA and then dismantle it. DERP

Ronny Raygun fired 11,000 union members in 1981. DERP x2

Do you really want to use this line of “debate”?

267 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:40:16pm

Frakking cold in my house right no even with the heat on. Gonna go start dinner.

268 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:40:32pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

Something Weird This Way —#241 is appearing a line on my screen.

Did I post something wrong?

reload the page

269 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:40:40pm

ah, refreshed, all is good.

270 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:40:43pm

re: #258 EdDantes

Gene, Gene, the down ding machine! Please capsulize for me the LGF position on McVeigh.

troll-scat

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:41:06pm

re: #255 FemNaziBitch

I don’t remember reading Lucifer’s Hammer.

I vague remember Footfall —IIRC, the alien elephants?

Footfall is the alien elephants. Lucifer’s Hammer is a comet strike creating an end of civilization scenario in North America - mainly centering around California.

272 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:41:23pm

re: #267 Aunty Entity Dragon

Frakking cold in my house right no even with the heat on. Gonna go start dinner.

Have you tried raising the humidity in your house?

273 blueraven  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:42:17pm

re: #258 EdDantes

Gene, Gene, the down ding machine! Please capsulize for me the LGF position on McVeigh.

You claim he was not of The Right. Most of us disagree.
We are not talking about mainstream republicans/conservatives here.

But you chose that straw man argument after proof of his right wingedness.

274 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:43:22pm
275 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:43:52pm


This tells me my days of driving are limited.

276 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:00pm

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Footfall is the alien elephants. Lucifer’s Hammer is a comet strike creating an end of civilization scenario in North America - mainly centering around California.

Footfall was pretty good. Lucifer’s Hammer was a John Galt glibitarian fluffing worthy of a Vivid Entertainment porn shoot.

277 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:07pm

re: #272 freetoken

Have you tried raising the humidity in your house?

Make a big pot of spaghetti, boiling the water in your biggest stockpot.

Then be prepared to chip ice of the INSIDES of the windows.

278 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:15pm

re: #274 Kragar

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Can’t get past a town named “French Fries”.

279 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:17pm

Page question-Say a really thorough good article has a really stupid over the top headline…. Ditch it and replace it or run with it and hold my nose?

280 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:28pm

re: #272 freetoken

Have you tried raising the humidity in your house?

Haven’t tried that.

281 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:44:34pm

Professional Obfuscates - that is what so many of these writers are, who are trying to write alternative headlines about creationism, the GOP, and science.

They’d prefer to fill up the news wires with blurbs about Pew methods or summary writing, rather than simply own the obvious - the majority of self-identified Republicans reject modern science and embrace old mythologies.

282 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:45:09pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

Digital displays the driver gets involved with while underway are a damn bad idea.

283 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:45:16pm

re: #276 Aunty Entity Dragon

Footfall was pretty good. Lucifer’s Hammer was a John Galt glibitarian fluffing worthy of a Vivid Entertainment porn shoot.

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Footfall is the alien elephants. Lucifer’s Hammer is a comet strike creating an end of civilization scenario in North America - mainly centering around California.

Per your descriptions, I don’t think I read Lucifer’s Hammer. If I did, I must not of thought it worth remembering.

I liked the cabal of SciFi writers in Footfall.

284 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:45:18pm

re: #277 GeneJockey

Make a big pot of spaghetti, boiling the water in your biggest stockpot.

Then be prepared to chip ice of the INSIDES of the windows.

I have a damned big stockpot. Big enough for a twenty pound turkey with room to spare…

285 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:45:47pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

Can’t get past a town named “French Fries”.

A pomfret is a kind of fish.

Pomme frites are french fries.

286 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:45:47pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

I’m not talking about Republican Party here. The RWNJs have little more use for them than Dems. One very old site has no use for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution—it ushered in the era of enslavement of the states that culminated with Lincoln’s tyranny. There is a movement that identifies with the Articles of Confederation, and “Shooters” is in their name. I suspect you don’t appreciate the depth of the Well of crazy.

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

287 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:06pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

Can it resolve a Thermal Exhaust Port from the construction specs?

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:14pm

We have three humidifers going at all times.

Right now, I think they are filled twice a day.

289 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:14pm

re: #280 Aunty Entity Dragon

Haven’t tried that.

If you have a shower, try running it with only the hot water and the bathroom door open.

Other techniques - put on a very large pot of water on the stove and let it boil down, and keep refilling it.

Getting your local humidity up will make it feel warmer, assuming you also have the heat on.

290 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:38pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

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This tells me my days of driving are limited.

Do Not Want. As a cyclist - hell, even as a DRIVER! - I fear the growing trend to putting more and more distracting information in front of the driver, especially on TV-like screens. A moment’s distraction by some clown in an SUV when I’m rolling along a narrow road and I’m carrion.

291 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:43pm

re: #279 Political Atheist

Page question-Say a really thorough good article has a really stupid over the top headline…. Ditch it and replace it or run with it and hold my nose?

Whatever gives the potential reader the most reason to click without deception.

292 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:46:44pm

re: #286 EdDantes

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

Then why are you here?

293 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:47:29pm
294 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:47:34pm

re: #286 EdDantes

The well of crazy i see is here at LGF.

And yet here you are…even after flouncing. Some might say that makes you a nitwit.

295 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:48:28pm

re: #284 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have a damned big stockpot. Big enough for a twenty pound turkey with room to spare…

A pound of spaghetti will look awfully lonely in there.

296 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:48:31pm

re: #272 freetoken

Have you tried raising the humidity in your house?

i know a good way to do that smirk smirk

297 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:48:34pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

Audi’s dashboard of the future is flat, high-resolution and fully customizable t.co pic.twitter.com/qp1STatMg9
— WIRED (@WIRED) January 7, 2014

This tells me my days of driving are limited.

hmmmmmm, car porn AND electronic porn…..excuse me….

298 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:49:12pm

re: #286 EdDantes

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

Can somebody array these words around DogeTheDawg?

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:49:36pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

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This tells me my days of driving are limited.

That car will lead you straight into a river…
/

300 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:49:46pm

re: #258 EdDantes

Gene, Gene, the down ding machine! Please capsulize for me the LGF position on McVeigh.

The detector is at Yellow:

Youtube Video

301 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:51:02pm

re: #279 Political Atheist

Page question-Say a really thorough good article has a really stupid over the top headline…. Ditch it and replace it or run with it and hold my nose?

Do a clarification/disclaimer on the sub-headline/title?

302 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:51:32pm

Gretchen Carlson mistakes atheists for Satanists

303 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:52:25pm

re: #296 dog philosopher

i know a good way to do that smirk smirk

Gonna start in on me about the “frictional coupling between the North American Plate and the Farallon Plate during the Laramide Orogeny” quote I made back in my structural geology class, hmm? Lizards kept poking me here all night for that one…

304 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:52:39pm

re: #286 EdDantes

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

Right Wing Nut Jobs. There is a LW equivalent, but they mostly just chain themselves to fences.

If you’re not just in denial, you obviously don’t spend much time lurking the fringes of ‘Net politics.

305 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:52:44pm

lmgtfy.com

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:53:02pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

Gretchen Carlson mistakes atheists for Satanists

A lot of geniuses there over at FNC I see.

307 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:53:25pm

re: #261 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have no idea if you are in the GOP or not. I merely observed you engaging in a defense of said party…claiming the opinions of some members are normative of some types of Republicans while ignoring the activities of others, ergo relegating them as non members.

I said (once again: for the cheap seats) that they are strategically insane. All the shit that comes out of their mouths is made up, snake oil for the rubes. They believe maybe 5% of it. I am not certain in what world this constitutes “defense of the GOP”. This was in context of a discussion about legislative outcomes in a hypothetical unicameral body which is a fairly fantastical world already so maybe in such a world it is defense of the GOP. I don’t know.

And are you claiming that Timothy McVeigh and a median GOP House member are equally representative of the GOP? Seriously? I don’t even…

re: #266 Dr. Matt

Do you know why Moore joined the NRA? hint: because he thought he could become president of the NRA and then dismantle it. DERP

Ronny Raygun fired 11,000 union members in 1981. DERP x2

Do you really want to use this line of “debate”?

The story I heard (maybe it was in Downsize This, maybe Columbine, I dunno?) was that he was an NRA member from childhood. It doesn’t actually matter because it appears that you agree with me that “Such-and-such was a so-and-so!” is not a meaningful argument to make. I am, frankly, unsure why you are responding to me since I made the same argument you seem to be making.

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:53:31pm

re: #286 EdDantes

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

I think we established earlier today that it’s Chris Christie.
;)

And Huffpo doesn’t like him being mentioned in comments for some reason.

(Right Wing New Jerseyites)

309 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:53:37pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

Gretchen Carlson mistakes atheists for Satanists

In Carlson and her guests’ minds it is all the same - the only reason one would deny God is if that person was working for Satan.

310 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:54:36pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

Gretchen Carlson mistakes atheists for Satanists

OFFS. Fuck you Gretchen! AND the horse you rode in on. AND that horse’s Dad!

What these stupid shitheads don’t realize is that Satanists believe the same shit as Christians. They just choose the other side.

311 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:55:17pm

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Right Wing Nut Jobs. There is a LW equivalent, but they mostly just chain themselves to fences.

If you’re not just in denial, you obviously don’t spend much time lurking the fringes of ‘Net politics.

If he’s not in denial, there’s no ‘i’ in Mississippi.

312 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:55:18pm

re: #292 Dr. Matt

Then why are you here?

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

313 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:55:52pm

re: #286 EdDantes

OK, that skipped Orange and went straight to Red:

Youtube Video

314 Mattand  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:55:57pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

I’m thinking more along the lines of the racism that wells up in books like “Lucifer’s Hammer”, where the brave, resourceful, and almost uniformly white farmers and ranchers defend themselves against the cannibalistic hordes of urban blacks.

To my shame, when I first read it I didn’t perceive just how deeply racist it was.

Wow.

Pournelle pops up on This Week in Tech every so often. Until now, his most irritating trait was reminding everyone he predicted the iPad in one of his books (pro tip: you made shit up and got lucky).

This puts him in a whole new light.

315 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:56:22pm

re: #291 wrenchwench

Whatever gives the potential reader the most reason to click without deception.

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth


Looks to me like the headline is the deception. the article is all about how the internet providers and services like Google and tumblr are dealing with the fallout from the NSA revelations. Nice quotes from internet ISP stakeholders. People like jake Sullivan, head of security at Facebook no less. Brad Smith Microsofts head counsel. But this damn stupid headline about kills it-“How The NSA Almost Killed the Internet. Sheesh. In with the BS are some fascinating insights, at least for me.

316 jonhendry  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:56:24pm

re: #37 BusyMonster

“20 minutes, and it will consist of healthy and sane Americans subduing fat, stupid, oxy-contin-popping dittoheads and taking their cheap-shit guns out of their flabby hands.”

All you’d have to do to get their guns is

1. Feign enthusiastic agreement
2. Say, “Damn, sweet gun. Can I see it?”

317 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:02pm

re: #303 Aunty Entity Dragon

Gonna start in on me about the “frictional coupling between the North American Plate and the Farallon Plate during the Laramide Orogeny” quote I made back in my structural geology class, hmm? Lizards kept poking me here all night for that one…

maybe you can tell me how to locate the laramide orogenous zones…

318 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:08pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

well then, thanks for stopping by and don’t forget to tip the wait staff…..

319 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:20pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

OK, that skipped Orange and went straight to Red:

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That is so cool there what you did! Damn.

320 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:38pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Well, at least you admit you’re a troll. That also clarifies the proper response to you:

GAZE

321 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:46pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Perhaps the uniformity of responses to your posts is less related to the uniformity of thought here than it is to the obvious stupidity of the posts themselves.

If a man says, “2+2=5!” and everyone else says, “No, it doesn’t”, it does not imply that everyone else can’t think for himself.

322 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:57:48pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Wait. you regurgitate material you cannot defend without resorting to strawmen, ad hominems, and sarcastic non sequitors, but we’re the ones who cannot think for ourselves?

Well, that’s ok I guess. You’ve just identified yourself as a troll, so I guess there’ll be a grilling tonight and I won’t have to see such stupidity from you again.

323 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:58:24pm

bbl

324 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:58:30pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Christ, what an asshole. Why in the pluperfect fuck did I ding my karma to defend you?

325 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:58:36pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Well, in that case, eat a bag of dicks, shit for brains.

326 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:58:49pm

re: #286 EdDantes

No Idea what you are a writing about the “well of crazy.” The well of crazy i see is here at LGF. What is ” RWNJs “

Dude, step back, put away the shovel. Have a brew or a smoke or something.

327 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:58:55pm
328 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:59:15pm

re: #307 Schadenboner

I said (once again: for the cheap seats) that they are strategically insane. All the shit that comes out of their mouths is made up, snake oil for the rubes. They believe maybe 5% of it. I am not certain in what world this constitutes “defense of the GOP”. This was in context of a discussion about legislative outcomes in a hypothetical unicameral body.

And are you claiming that Timothy McVeigh and a median GOP House member are equally representative of the GOP? Seriously? I don’t even…

In the nineties…no, I would not.

Today? I see calls for armed revolt and bloodshed on a nearly daily basis at RWNJ sites…and the people they elect are beginning to show the same attitudes: nihilism, contempt of the poor and working classes, ignorance, outright hatred of government procedures and traditions, and a desire for a revolutionary (as opposed to conservative Burkean thought) overthrow of societal, judicial and legislative norms. McVeigh would fit in all too well.

329 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:59:19pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

and here i always thought liberals were people who are too broadminded to agree with themselves

330 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:59:36pm

re: #327 Kragar

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it failed to evolve into a profit center I suppose…. /////

331 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:59:39pm

Dark_Falcon the reflexive liberal.

I learn something new every day.

332 Kilroy01  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:59:46pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

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This tells me my days of driving are limited.

In a few years you’ll be able to let the car drive. It is coming, count on it.

333 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:06pm

re: #314 Mattand

Wow.

Pournelle pops up on This Week in Tech every so often. Until now, his most irritating trait was reminding everyone he predicted the iPad in one of his books (pro tip: you made shit up and got lucky).

This puts him in a whole new light.

Show us the plans, Jerry. THEN take credit. One might as easily claim that Stanley Kubrick predicted the iPad, based on what the astronauts aboard Discovery 1 were using.

334 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:19pm

Strange and sad:

Conjoined Gray Whale Calves Discovered In Mexico’s Laguna Ojo de Liebre

335 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:21pm

re: #324 Schadenboner

pluperfect fuck

“i had done did fucked”??

336 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:37pm

re: #317 dog philosopher

maybe you can tell me how to locate the laramide orogenous zones…

Well, ya start somewhere around Denver and head west… ;)

337 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:46pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Hope you hang around. Otherwise it’s just boob puns and fukn’ kittens.

338 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:48pm

re: #327 Kragar

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Wheeeeeeeeeee!

339 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:00:49pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least you admit you’re a troll. That also clarifies the proper response to you:

GAZE

Gaze! I haven’t seen that in years. Someone seems to be out of arguments.

340 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:01:13pm

Instead of being a reflexive liberal, I’ve been busy working on my resume.

Somehow it has gotten away from me and it’s up to 3 pages. WTF. Time to do some serious editing.

341 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:01:16pm

re: #326 Political Atheist

Dude, step back, put away the shovel. Have a brew or a smoke or something.

Or a smoking brew….

342 Mattand  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:02:40pm

re: #302 FemNaziBitch

Gretchen Carlson mistakes atheists for Satanists

Skip Intro’s comment on the Page about the wacko nurse saying flu shots are sacrilegious fits this situation perfectly:

Is it just me, or is there an epidemic of really stupid religious people popping up all over the place these days? A nurse supervisor who won’t give shots because it’s against her religion? Honestly?

This used to be a fairly rational country; not a fair one, but rational. Now, the loons are taking over everything. They’ve got their own tv network that caters to them 24/7, more tv networks that program for just for them, and all of talk radio.

This has to end very badly.

That’s my worry. If the right wing/conservative movement, as it stands now, gets the kind of power they had from much of the last decade, we’re fucked. As in “God told me to nuke the Middle East/poor people can’t have health insurance” fucked.

343 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:02:49pm

re: #339 EdDantes

Gaze! I haven’t seen that in years. Someone seems to be out of arguments.

as if you’ve presented one yet…..

344 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:03:15pm

re: #314 Mattand

Wow.

Pournelle pops up on This Week in Tech every so often. Until now, his most irritating trait was reminding everyone he predicted the iPad in one of his books (pro tip: you made shit up and got lucky).

This puts him in a whole new light.

His website/journal is here. You don’t have to read much to know all you probably want to know about him.

As to tech, I remember when he had a regular column in BYTE. And how often I’d have to tell someone, “No, I don’t care what he said it doesn’t work that way.”

345 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:03:37pm

re: #324 Schadenboner

Christ, what an asshole. Why in the pluperfect fuck did I ding my karma to defend you?

Youtube Video

346 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:04:19pm

re: #331 erik_t

Dark_Falcon the reflexive liberal.

I learn something new every day.

Actually, I’m reflexively anti-‘obnoxious asshole’. Sometimes that puts me on the same side as a number of liberals.

347 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:05:05pm

re: #343 piratedan

as if you’ve presented one yet…..

Quoted, for truth…

348 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:05:09pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Actually, I’m reflexively anti-‘obnoxious asshole’. Sometimes that puts me on the same side as a number of liberals.

Come to the dark side, DF. We have cookies…

349 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:05:57pm

re: #328 Aunty Entity Dragon

In the nineties…no, I would not.

Today? I see calls for armed revolt and bloodshed on a nearly daily basis at RWNJ sites…and the people they elect are beginning to show the same attitudes: nihilism, contempt of the poor and working classes, ignorance, outright hatred of government procedures and traditions, and a desire for a revolutionary (as opposed to conservative Burkean thought) overthrow of societal, judicial and legislative norms. McVeigh would fit in all too well.

I think that this is untrue. I do not believe that the majority of GOP (electeds or voters) are actually interested in violence, much less in the sort of racial civil war that McVey and the Turner Diary sort support.

350 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:06:45pm

Reminding everyone, that John Hawks free online course in Human Evolution begins in two weeks:

Human Evolution: Past and Future

351 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:06:54pm

re: #348 Aunty Entity Dragon

Come to the dark side, DF. We have cookies…

… and pie…

352 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:07:25pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Hope you hang around. Otherwise it’s just boob puns and fukn’ kittens.

I dunno. Either he puts no effort into it, or he’s just seriously stupid. Very low entertainment value. I can’t even work up sufficient anger to toss an F-bomb at him, and I’ve worked in labs and factories since I was a teenager. The “rolling eyes” post above captures my reaction pretty much exactly.

Better Trolls, Please.

353 Schadenboner  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:07:31pm

re: #335 dog philosopher

“i had done did fucked”??

That’s what she said?

354 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:07:42pm

re: #348 Aunty Entity Dragon

Come to the dark side, DF. We have cookies…

And pie.

355 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:08:06pm

re: #349 Schadenboner

I think that this is untrue. I do not believe that the majority of GOP (electeds or voters) are actually interested in violence, much less in the sort of racial civil war that McVey and the Turner Diary sort support.

Majority? Kind of hard to tell.

Vocal minority? Always was.

Larger than it was? Possibly, assumption driven by the fact that multiple representatives have espoused violent action.

356 EdDantes  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:08:39pm

re: #343 piratedan

Boom! You are a ninja with that riposte.

357 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #343 piratedan

as if you’ve presented one yet…..

You mean “Hurrrrrrrrrr” isn’t an argument?

358 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:09:38pm

re: #349 Schadenboner

I think that this is untrue. I do not believe that the majority of GOP (electeds or voters) are actually interested in violence, much less in the sort of racial civil war that McVey and the Turner Diary sort support.

Are we talking about the majority…or the people who are committed and shape the primaries, show up to demonstrations with rebel flags and AR-15 rifles, and are considered highly engaged partisan voters for the GOP? (IE the ones who get pandered to…)

Go back and watch some of the 2007 GOP debates, and try not to cringe at the audience reactions.

359 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:10:10pm

re: #348 Aunty Entity Dragon

re: #351 kirkspencer

re: #354 GeneJockey

When it warms up I can think about those again. For right now, I can’t really get out and walk like I want, so I’ve had to cut pie entirely from what I eat and cookies are out as well for the present.

360 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:11:15pm

re: #349 Schadenboner

I think that this is untrue. I do not believe that the majority of GOP (electeds or voters) are actually interested in violence, much less in the sort of racial civil war that McVey and the Turner Diary sort support.

google.com

361 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:12:12pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Hope you hang around. Otherwise it’s just boob puns and fukn’ kittens.

You said “boob.”

If I wasn’t on Ed’s list before, hopefully this puts me on it.

362 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:12:24pm

363 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:12:32pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

I think you may be wrong about that book. From the Wikipedia write-up:

The heroic “civilization” is nevertheless a representation of the classic fantasy WASP cowboy west. In addition, Pournell is one of those SF writers who worships at the altar of monarchy and “good” dictators (Benito Mussolini is saved (literally) at the end of “Inferno” for example). Real freedom and egalitarianism appears to scare the piss out of him. The books with Niven tend to be better - he seems to be much saner - but only so far as LH & Inferno were both written together. The less said about Falkenberg the better.

364 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:13:47pm
365 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #358 Aunty Entity Dragon

Are we talking about the majority…or the people who are committed and shape the primaries, show up to demonstrations with rebel flags and AR-15 rifles, and are considered highly engaged partisan voters for the GOP? (IE the ones who get pandered to…)

Go back and watch some of the 2007 GOP debates, and try not to cringe at the audience reactions.

There is a ratcheting effect. Vile crap and threats have surfaced in RW broadcast media. The racist cartoons and such are now forwarded by low-level county and state chairs. A few years ago it was less overt, passed around only by the nuttier websites.

366 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:14:22pm

Does anyone else feel as though they’ve just been through 2 weeks of nothing but weekends?

Probably has something to do with being retired and not having to get up and go out to a job like I did for almost 50 yrs.

It’s a bit jolting to click on the MSNBC livestreaming early in the morning expecting to get a little news and get that prison crap, though.

367 erik_t  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:14:43pm

re: #363 William Barnett-Lewis

In fairness, I thought Niven/Pournelle’s treatment of Mussolini was within a stone’s throw of reasonable and fair within the context of the book (actually one of my favorites).

Do not, emphasis DO. NOT., ever pick up the “sequel”.

368 Semper Fi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:15:03pm

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

We have three humidifers going at all times.

Right now, I think they are filled twice a day.

Here in NV I couldn’t be w/o a humidifier. We have 1 but, reading your post, maybe I should get another…
Ours is filled at about 6 each morning and evening.

369 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:15:04pm

re: #362 Charles Johnson

[Embedded image]

Yes, they usually just get to be bigger assholes.

370 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:15:11pm

re: #348 Aunty Entity Dragon

Come to the dark side, DF. We have cookies…

Not to mention kebab and shawarma.

371 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:15:40pm
372 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:16:11pm

Oh COME ON now!

373 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:16:14pm

re: #344 kirkspencer

His website/journal is here. You don’t have to read much to know all you probably want to know about him.

As to tech, I remember when he had a regular column in BYTE. And how often I’d have to tell someone, “No, I don’t care what he said it doesn’t work that way.”

Oh, guh, that was always the worst thing in Byte. I miss the magazine. I do not miss JP’s column.

374 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:16:43pm

re: #367 erik_t

In fairness, I thought Niven/Pournelle’s treatment of Mussolini was within a stone’s throw of reasonable and fair within the context of the book (actually one of my favorites).

Do not, emphasis >DO. NOT., ever pick up the “sequel”.

I have to say that “Legacy of Heorat” is one of my favorite sci-fi stories, but it pretty much steered clear of politics.

375 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:17:13pm

re: #357 erik_t

You mean “Hurrrrrrrrrr” isn’t an argument?

well he’s into full blown passive aggressive mode now…

who knows what’s next, he could simply leave quietly, flounce, or we could start being told that he’s rubber and we’re glue…

I do find it funny that he thinks that a guy who was backing Koresh’s little party in WACO couldn’t be associated in any way with the Conservative movement or politics or any of the myriad strains of militia groups and organizations that always rise to prominence when there’s a Dem in office or the blind eye he has to all of the threats that permeate through various and sundry media outlets from radio to the web that call for the President’s ouster thru whatever bogus mechanism of derp that happens to be the flavor of the month and can routinely shrug off this stuff as simply the usual blow by blow of politics.

376 allegro  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:17:29pm

This afternoon one of my dogs was hanging out on the back of the sofa leaning on me and looking out the window when he audibly farted. His head whipped around to look at me with his eyes all big in a “who did that?! I didn’t do it!” expression. Cracked me up, he did. I’m having the same reaction to Ed and for the same reason.

377 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:18:29pm

re: #367 erik_t

In fairness, I thought Niven/Pournelle’s treatment of Mussolini was within a stone’s throw of reasonable and fair within the context of the book (actually one of my favorites).

Do not, emphasis >DO. NOT., ever pick up the “sequel”.

Considering I could barely tolerate the original (I have a healthy understanding of Dante & the theological background giving me grief) I would probably flee from such a thing. I didn’t know it existed…

What a hack.

378 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:19:27pm

re: #375 piratedan

I do find it funny that he thinks that a guy who was backing Koresh’s little party in WACO couldn’t be associated in any way with the Conservative movement or politics or any of the myriad strains of militia groups and organizations that always rise to prominence when there’s a Dem in office or the blind eye he has to all of the threats that permeate through various and sundry media outlets from radio to the web that call for the President’s ouster thru whatever bogus mechanism of derp that happens to be the flavor of the month and can routinely shrug off this stuff as simply the usual blow by blow of politics.

That may very well be the longest single sentence I’ve ever read here on LGF. Damn.

379 Mattand  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:20:21pm

re: #376 allegro

I’m having the same reaction to Ed and for the same reason.

I went back in the thread and got caught up to speed. Ed seemed actually rational for a few posts until he went full metal No True Scotsman.

380 piratedan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:20:47pm

re: #378 makeitstop

you should see my paragraphs :-)

and I guess I should provide a hat tip to Eric Idle but I was afraid to reference Watney’s Red Barrel.

381 allegro  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:21:03pm

re: #375 piratedan

That was an impressive sentence! LOL

382 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:24:01pm

re: #379 Mattand

I went back in the thread and got caught up to speed. Ed seemed actually rational for a few posts until he went full metal No True Scotsman.

Full Metal Scotsman, now available on instant video

383 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:25:28pm

re: #382 dog philosopher

Full Metal Scotsman, now available on instant video

Youtube Video

384 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:25:36pm

Good for them. Rodman is being a self-serving asshole and should be ashamed.

Retired players group denounces North Korea exhibition game

nba.com

“While we support international goodwill and diplomacy in instances deemed appropriate by our Board of Directors, it is important to clarify that the trip to North Korea led by Dennis Rodman and others was not sanctioned by the NBRPA and is not supported by our organization in any way,” said NBRPA Chairman of the Board Otis Birdsong, a four-time NBA All-Star. “Under the right circumstances basketball can serve as a bridge to bring communities together, but these are not those circumstances. Standing alongside our partners at the NBA, we do not condone the basketball activities to be conducted in North Korea this week.”

385 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:29:00pm

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

When it warms up I can think about those again. For right now, I can’t really get out and walk like I want, so I’ve had to cut pie entirely from what I eat and cookies are out as well for the present.

um. stepping away from the trollbashing for a bit, a bit of seriousness - look again at pie. Homemade, not store-bought.

A slice of homemade pie is going to run you 300 to 400 calories, roughly 1/3 fat and the rest carbs. How much carb is complex and how much is simple depends on the type of pie you make.

In addition, depending on the fruit you’re going to pick up several additional nutrients. Apple pie will give you 6-10% of the DAV for Iron and vitamin C, a bit of A and Calcium, and a touch of magnesium. It’ll also provide some dietary fiber.

My suggestion - in seriousness, as I do this when I’m doing food control - is a slice of pie for breakfast. As a rule fruit pie is best, but custard type pies have their benefits as well. Just … no pecan or millionaire or other sugar pie.

386 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:30:54pm

Full Metal Scotsman, now avail for free streaming on Amazon Prime!!!

FWIW, The roast just went into the oven a little while ago, be done in about 2 1/2 hours. Sirloin tip, rubbed down with my dad’s spice mix, dry marinate for 24 hours, then 200 deg at about an hour a pound. ‘Ya all come by and enjoy.

RBS

387 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:31:08pm

re: #385 kirkspencer

Favorite comment of the day.

388 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:31:18pm

*headdesk*

389 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:31:41pm

re: #383 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Is that group Caledonia?

390 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:31:53pm

re: #385 kirkspencer

um. stepping away from the trollbashing for a bit, a bit of seriousness - look again at pie. Homemade, not store-bought.

A slice of homemade pie is going to run you 300 to 400 calories, roughly 1/3 fat and the rest carbs. How much carb is complex and how much is simple depends on the type of pie you make.

In addition, depending on the fruit you’re going to pick up several additional nutrients. Apple pie will give you 6-10% of the DAV for Iron and vitamin C, a bit of A and Calcium, and a touch of magnesium. It’ll also provide some dietary fiber.

My suggestion - in seriousness, as I do this when I’m doing food control - is a slice of pie for breakfast. As a rule fruit pie is best, but custard type pies have their benefits as well. Just … no pecan or millionaire or other sugar pie.

Apple pie with a good wedge of sharp cheddar and a strong cup of black coffee is a FANTASTIC breakfast.

RBS

391 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:32:09pm
392 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:33:16pm

re: #387 wrenchwench

Favorite comment of the day.

Thank you. I can get heavily pedantic on practical dietary nutrition, but that’s always been one of the fun shockers: have a piece of pie for breakfast. There are a lot of ‘right’ things in doing it for most people. Not all, but most. Add the fact that pretty much everyone likes pie and, well, it’s a fun thing to recommend.

393 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:33:36pm

re: #388 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Right there with you. I mean really.

394 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:34:18pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

I was about to post about sadly missing the 12th Day of Christmas… and then you post this.

For all their whining and outrage, the War on Christmas are remarkably deaf and dumb when it comes to the actual religious holiday, which as Obama notes, is today for many believers.

395 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:34:57pm

Hmm… it’s Christmas… maybe we need some music to celebrate?

396 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:35:35pm

re: #395 freetoken

Hmm… it’s Christmas… maybe we need some music to celebrate?

Music is always welcoming. No Bieber please though.

397 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:38:00pm

Speaking of the religious:

Pastor: Obama opening door to Antichrist

[…]

Robert Jeffress, pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas since 2007, says in Perfect Ending, due for release by Worthy Publishing Jan. 21, the Bible “is able to foretell with laser-like accuracy events that will occur hundreds and even thousands of years after it was written.”

[…]

Jeffress says that while past attempts to predict the specific date for Christ’s return were misguided, Christians can recognize prophetic events that might be taking place in the world and America’s government today.

“For the first time in history a president of our country has openly proposed altering one of society’s (not to mention God’s) most fundamental laws: that marriage should be between a man and a woman,” Jeffress writes on Page 103.

“While I am not suggesting that President Obama is the Antichrist, the fact that he was able to propose such a sweeping change in God’s law and still win re-election by a comfortable margin illustrates how a future world leader will be able to oppose God’s laws without any repercussions.”

[…]

It’s the old Previous-Attempts-Were-Misguided-But-I’m-Right-This-Time square dance.

398 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:38:23pm

re: #395 freetoken

Hmm… it’s Christmas… maybe we need some music to celebrate?

No, no, no, nononononono….

I’ve had enough to last me until next year’s war, thanks.

399 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:38:26pm

re: #388 Lidane

In June 2013, civil rights groups and legal scholars filed a complaint against Judge Jones for violating the Code of Judicial Ethics with controversial statements in a speech at the University of Pennsylvania School of Law. Judge Jones is alleged to have said that certain ethnic groups are “predisposed to crime”
cbsnews.com

400 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:38:33pm

On this date in 1999, Republicans read articles of impeachment against William Jefferson Clinton, leading to discussion today of impeachment against Pres Obama. If you can’t win an election, try to get rid of a Democrat by a “kangaroo impeachment”.

As usual, Republicans don’t understand the Constitution. Impeachment is not meant to settle policy differences or get rid of an administration you don’t like or agree with.

Funny, Democrats never tried this with GWB or Ronald Reagan.

401 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:39:36pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Music is always welcoming. No Bieber please though.

re: #398 makeitstop

No, no, no, nononononono….

I’ve had enough to last me until next year’s war, thanks.

We seem to have a difference of opinion here.

402 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:40:21pm

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

On this date in 1999, Republicans read articles of impeachment against William Jefferson Clinton, leading to discussion today of impeachment against Pres Obama. If you can’t win an election, try to get rid of a Democrat by a “kangaroo impeachment”.

As usual, Republicans don’t understand the Constitution. Impeachment is not meant to settle policy differences or get rid of an administration you don’t like or agree with.

Funny, Democrats never tried this with GWB or Ronald Reagan.

That was 15 years ago? Man time flies.

403 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:41:45pm

re: #397 freetoken

“…even thousands of years after it was written.”

Lolwut?

404 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:45:22pm

re: #402 HappyWarrior

That was 15 years ago? Man time flies.

Yeah, the “Republican Revolution” didn’t work that time, either.

405 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:45:51pm

re: #397 freetoken

“While I am not suggesting that President Obama is the Antichrist, the fact that he was able to propose such a sweeping change in God’s law and still win re-election by a comfortable margin illustrates how a future world leader will be able to oppose God’s laws without any repercussions.”

wow much lying such holy man amazedoge

406 jonhendry  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:46:01pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

“Armitage integrates the soldiers and his pre-existing band of followers, initiating them into cannibalism to shame them into loyalty, and maintains even more loyalty through a strict egalitarianism, where even the slightest indication of racial, social, or other prejudice is swiftly and severely punished.”

So the cannibals are the egalitarian, non-prejudiced ones.

What a positive characterization.

407 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:46:31pm

re: #404 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, the “Republican Revolution” didn’t work that time, either.

Yeah I remember it. Impeachment over lying about an affair. Such a stupid action.

408 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:46:50pm

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

“…even thousands of years after it was written.”

Lolwut?

You’d have better luck with Prof. Trelawney’s prophesies in the Department of Mysteries.

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:48:20pm

re: #405 jaunte

wow much lying such holy man amazedoge

He’s just asking QUESTIONS!!11!!

410 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:48:51pm

re: #405 jaunte

Not suggesting. Inferring. Advocating. Engage in conjecture. Theorize. Trial balloon./

411 jonhendry  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:50:46pm

re: #344 kirkspencer

“As to tech, I remember when he had a regular column in BYTE. And how often I’d have to tell someone, “No, I don’t care what he said it doesn’t work that way.”“

His column was pretty much just a constant litany of stupid computer problems, and frequent use of LapLink, if I recall correctly, to transfer files.

412 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:51:06pm

Resume is down to 2 1/2 pages. I suspect a cleaner layout and shorter summary will knock it down to two pages. Hmm.

413 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:51:08pm

re: #395 freetoken

Hmm… it’s Christmas… maybe we need some music to celebrate?

coptic christmas music

414 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:51:46pm

The astonomers are meeting this week, which always makes for interesting news and press releases.

Today the Hubblesite released four new deepfield pictures:

Hubble Unveils a Deep Sea of Small and Faint Early Galaxies

Here’s the annotated Galaxy Cluster Abell 1689 and Distant Galaxies with the close-ups of the very distant galaxies.

415 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:53:04pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember it. Impeachment over lying about an affair. Such a stupid action.

Yes, it really was stupid to impeach Clinton on trumped up charges with only 55 Republicans in the Senate at the time.

Republican senators that voted against conviction on both charges were Chafee, Collins, Jeffords, Snowe and Specter, whose brand of Republicanism is just about extinct.

416 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:54:17pm

Andrew Scott Boguslawski’s mugshot.
He seems nice…

417 jonhendry  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:54:27pm

re: #349 Schadenboner

“I think that this is untrue. I do not believe that the majority of GOP (electeds or voters) are actually interested in violence, much less in the sort of racial civil war that McVey and the Turner Diary sort support.”

I could see a number of them spinelessly going along with it.

I can’t see the “You Lie!” guy (Joe Wilson) or Paul Broun types doing or saying anything to oppose a violent movement, if the vocal, radical base started calling for violence.

418 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:54:28pm

It may come as a surprise to some, but the light from those distant galaxies is older than 6000 years.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:55:02pm

re: #412 Lidane

Resume is down to 2 1/2 pages. I suspect a cleaner layout and shorter summary will knock it down to two pages. Hmm.

Narrower margins, tighter font.

420 jonhendry  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 3:58:14pm

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

“It’s a bit jolting to click on the MSNBC livestreaming early in the morning expecting to get a little news and get that prison crap, though.”

They throw away so much of their airtime on that crap.

421 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:00:09pm

More Benghazi news…

WaPo headlines that a former Gitmo detainee may have been involved. The buried lede? That this detainee had al Qaeda links.

Militiamen under the command of Abu Sufian bin Qumu, the leader of Ansar al-Sharia in the Libyan city of Darnah, participated in the attack that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, U.S. officials said.

Qumu was captured by US forces in 2001 and transferred to Gitmo. He was then transferred in 2007 to Libya, and was released by Libyan authorities in 2008.

The State Department is expected to tie Qumu’s group to the Benghazi attack when it designates three branches of Ansar al-Sharia in Darnah, Tunisia and Benghazi as foreign terrorism organizations in the coming days.

Qumu’s ties to AQ include having been trained at AQ camps in Afghanistan, worked at a bin Laden factory in Sudan, and has links to Abu Zubaida, who is being held at Gitmo indefinitely for his role in AQ attacks globally.

422 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:00:16pm

re: #418 freetoken

It may come as a surprise to some, but the light from those distant galaxies is older than 6000 years.

Not if this light was created in transit!

Seriously though, it really is stupid to insist on biblical literalism (selective, of course) that directly contradicts enormous amounts of empirical evidence. Insisting that the resulting pile of illogical garbage is somehow “scientific”, as creationists like to do, really does take the cake.

423 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:00:26pm

Sorry, folks.


We’re supposed to have a low of 12, but it’s warming here in NC! Will be springtime by the weekend. : )

424 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:01:51pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

Narrower margins, tighter font.

I’m currently using Times New Roman 9pt font. I think it’s the header, since it’s ginormous in comparison.

I can’t cut anything else out. Turning two decades of my life into a single page isn’t happening, but more than two pages would make a recruiter’s eyes glaze over.

425 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:02:25pm

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember it. Impeachment over lying about an affair. Such a stupid action.

I was in an office that was 50% Israeli. The impeachment was the lunchbunch fodder for about 6 months. The Israelis thought we had lost our freaking minds.

426 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:02:30pm

re: #418 freetoken

It may come as a surprise to some, but the light from those distant galaxies is older than 6000 years.

Yea, but what about the light from a distant fire??? Can’t explain that.
Youtube Video

RBS

427 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:03:23pm

Couple of pencil-dicked plastic patriots.

How about we buy them a one way ticket to somewhere far, far away? I’m thinking East Timor….

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:04:34pm

re: #424 Lidane

I’m currently using Times New Roman 9pt font. I think it’s the header, since it’s ginormous in comparison.

I can’t cut anything else out. Turning two decades of my life into a single page isn’t happening, but more than two pages would make a recruiter’s eyes glaze over.

OK, 9 point is probably bottom limit. Wish I was closer, I could probably help with condensing it.

429 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:05:29pm

re: #385 kirkspencer

um. stepping away from the trollbashing for a bit, a bit of seriousness - look again at pie. Homemade, not store-bought.

A slice of homemade pie is going to run you 300 to 400 calories, roughly 1/3 fat and the rest carbs. How much carb is complex and how much is simple depends on the type of pie you make.

In addition, depending on the fruit you’re going to pick up several additional nutrients. Apple pie will give you 6-10% of the DAV for Iron and vitamin C, a bit of A and Calcium, and a touch of magnesium. It’ll also provide some dietary fiber.

My suggestion - in seriousness, as I do this when I’m doing food control - is a slice of pie for breakfast. As a rule fruit pie is best, but custard type pies have their benefits as well. Just … no pecan or millionaire or other sugar pie.

Thank you for that.

430 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:07:35pm

Among the nifty bits of astro info, the Kepler team weighed in:

NASA Kepler Provides Insight About Enigmatic But Ubiquitous Planets, Five New Rocky Planets

More than three-quarters of the planet candidates discovered by NASA’s Kepler spacecraft have sizes ranging from that of Earth to that of Neptune, which is nearly four times as big as Earth. Such planets dominate the galactic census but are not represented in our own solar system. Astronomers don’t know how they form or if they are made of rock, water or gas.

The Kepler team today reports on four years of ground-based follow-up observations targeting Kepler’s exoplanet systems at the American Astronomical Society meeting in Washington. These observations confirm the numerous Kepler discoveries are indeed planets and yield mass measurements of these enigmatic worlds that vary between Earth and Neptune in size.

Included in the findings are five new rocky planets ranging in size from ten to eighty percent larger than Earth. Two of the new rocky worlds, dubbed Kepler-99b and Kepler-406b, are both forty percent larger in size than Earth and have a density similar to lead. The planets orbit their host stars in less than five and three days respectively, making these worlds too hot for life as we know it.

[…]

The accompanying image, of the Kepler discovered planets:

Image: kepler-pcs-ln.jpg

431 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:08:29pm

re: #424 Lidane

I’m currently using Times New Roman 9pt font. I think it’s the header, since it’s ginormous in comparison.

I can’t cut anything else out. Turning two decades of my life into a single page isn’t happening, but more than two pages would make a recruiter’s eyes glaze over.

Yeah, I’ve been there. Been hunting for, crap, almost six years so I’ve got a couple of tales - including how I begin to think poorly of resumes and HR “professionals”.

Specific case, I have several resumes. One pair is rather nifty in that except for the number of bullet points they’re identical - one is one page, the other two. I sent (on advice) my one-page and was told it was too short and that’s why I wasn’t considered - not enough info. Less than three months later I sent in the second two page and was told it was too long, I was rejected for not understanding the need for brevity. Same HR rep signature, same company. I sent the whole to the supervisor and got a “thank you for telling of this, we’ll work on standardizing our system” letter. And no job.

432 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:10:19pm

re: #422 EPR-radar

Not if this light was created in transit!

I had that very point thrown at me, that God created a ‘Mature’ universe 6000 years ago, like trees with all their rings, Adam as an adult, not an infant, etc. When I pointed out that that would have required God to create, in transit, light from the entire history of stars that had never existed (because they ignited, had their time, and burned out billions of years ago), he said, “Who are you to question God?”

433 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:11:53pm

re: #432 GeneJockey

I had that very point thrown at me, that God created a ‘Mature’ universe 6000 years ago, like trees with all their rings, Adam as an adult, not an infant, etc. When I pointed out that that would have required God to create, in transit, light from the entire history of stars that had never existed (because they ignited, had their time, and burned out billions of years ago), he said, “Who are you to question God?”

who is he to speak for god?

434 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:12:07pm
435 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:13:09pm

re: #426 RealityBasedSteve

>Yea, but what about the light from a distant fire??? Can’t explain that.

RBS

I opened a bunch of dates for that band right before that single broke. Pretty good band.

436 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:16:46pm

Today’s high on Mars was -76F. And the Hoopster is in BFE (AKA Wisconsin) and warmed up to -40.
Winston is still alive & loved, but hates snow. Mars is kinda like Wisconsin, F’ing cold.And waiting for good peoples.

437 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:17:24pm

Pie calorie counter.

calorielab.com

438 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:18:22pm

re: #385 kirkspencer

um. stepping away from the trollbashing for a bit, a bit of seriousness - look again at pie. Homemade, not store-bought.

A slice of homemade pie is going to run you 300 to 400 calories, roughly 1/3 fat and the rest carbs. How much carb is complex and how much is simple depends on the type of pie you make.

In addition, depending on the fruit you’re going to pick up several additional nutrients. Apple pie will give you 6-10% of the DAV for Iron and vitamin C, a bit of A and Calcium, and a touch of magnesium. It’ll also provide some dietary fiber.

My suggestion - in seriousness, as I do this when I’m doing food control - is a slice of pie for breakfast. As a rule fruit pie is best, but custard type pies have their benefits as well. Just … no pecan or millionaire or other sugar pie.

That way, madness lies!
///

Seriously, for me overeating is a function of the EXISTENCE of pie. I can’t eat just one piece. If it’s there, I’ll eat it. I discovered over my recent 16-day Fuck-Off-apalooza that one reason I could lose 30# this year had to do with there being no snacks available at work. At home, if I get peckish, I just stroll to the kitchen and make a sandwich, or some toast with jam, or a dish of cashews, then another…

On top of that, the Older Boy tried to kill me. He made caramels FOUR FUCKING TIMES!!!, in addition to 3 apple pies, 2 pumpkin, and a blueberry. Then on Sunday night, he suddenly decided to make Yorkshire Pudding.

Yorkshire Pudding? What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports possessed him? Where did he even get the idea?

439 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:18:49pm

re: #435 makeitstop

I opened a bunch of dates for that band right before that single broke. Pretty good band.

Kool…. I think the LGF talent pool is SO deep, we can easily survive the zombie apocalypse and create a better world.

RBS

440 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:19:08pm

re: #432 GeneJockey

I had that very point thrown at me, that God created a ‘Mature’ universe 6000 years ago, like trees with all their rings, Adam as an adult, not an infant, etc. When I pointed out that that would have required God to create, in transit, light from the entire history of stars that had never existed (because they ignited, had their time, and burned out billions of years ago), he said, “Who are you to question God?”

An omnipotent creator could presumably have created the universe so that it looks old at any point in time —- e.g., 6000 years ago. Of course, creation of an old-looking universe 5 minutes ago is an equally valid option.

A creationist type who simply asserts that his/her faith trumps reason and the empirical evidence is irrelevant is at least not lying about what is and isn’t science. Creationists pretend it is science in order to get it into the schools.

441 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:20:30pm

re: #440 EPR-radar

An omnipotent creator could presumably have created the universe so that it looks old at any point in time —- e.g., 6000 years ago. Of course, creation of an old-looking universe 5 minutes ago is an equally valid option.

A creationist type who simply asserts that his/her faith trumps reason and the empirical evidence is irrelevant is at least not lying about what is and isn’t science. Creationists pretend it is science in order to get it into the schools.

I know the universe is more than 5 minutes old, just look at my browser history. Duh!

RBS

442 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:20:36pm

re: #406 jonhendry

“Armitage integrates the soldiers and his pre-existing band of followers, initiating them into cannibalism to shame them into loyalty, and maintains even more loyalty through a strict egalitarianism, where even the slightest indication of racial, social, or other prejudice is swiftly and severely punished.”

So the cannibals are the egalitarian, non-prejudiced ones.

What a positive characterization.

Armitage represents Communism: The cannibalism is Mao Zedong’s idea of Thamzing, making people engage misdeeds on the behalf of the Communists and thus binging themselves to the Communists. The New Brotherhood is egalitarian, as is the Sparta People’s Liberation Army (SPLA, better known as ‘Helots’) of the last two Falkenberg’s Legion books, but in both cases the egalitarianism is enforced brutally by a tyrannical leader who brooks no dissent.

443 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:21:00pm

re: #438 GeneJockey

That way, madness lies!
///

Seriously, for me overeating is a function of the EXISTENCE of pie. I can’t eat just one piece. If it’s there, I’ll eat it. I discovered over my recent 16-day Fuck-Off-apalooza that one reason I could lose 30# this year had to do with there being no snacks available at work. At home, if I get peckish, I just stroll to the kitchen and make a sandwich, or some toast with jam, or a dish of cashews, then another…

On top of that, the Older Boy tried to kill me. He made caramels FOUR FUCKING TIMES!!!, in addition to 3 apple pies, 2 pumpkin, and a blueberry. Then on Sunday night, he suddenly decided to make Yorkshire Pudding.

Yorkshire Pudding? What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports possessed him? Where did he even get the idea?

I suspect Perfidious Albion was behind it.
;)

444 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:22:59pm

re: #434 wrenchwench

We told you not to blink!

Youtube Video

445 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:23:04pm

Evening Lizardim.

446 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:23:40pm

re: #440 EPR-radar

An omnipotent creator could presumably have created the universe so that it looks old at any point in time —- e.g., 6000 years ago. Of course, creation of an old-looking universe 5 minutes ago is an equally valid option.

I call this the “God As Colossal Jokester” hypothesis.

A creationist type who simply asserts that his/her faith trumps reason and the empirical evidence is irrelevant is at least not lying about what is and isn’t science. Creationists pretend it is science in order to get it into the schools.

I’m of the opinion that those who cannot tolerate any divergence from literal, word-for-word Biblical inerrancy have fairly weak faith, despite their protestations. I think those who can comfortably look on the bible as the Word of God, and simultaneously a work of man and not to be taken literally have a much stronger faith.

Then again, I think they’re both wrong. But that’s me.

447 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:25:01pm

re: #443 Feline Fearless Leader

I suspect Perfidious Albion was behind it.
;)

Albion is the font of Capitalism and English Law! Only a filthy Eurosocialist would denounce her as ‘perfidious’! [unholsters 3-D printed M1911] Die, Enemy of Freedom!! [opens fire]

/entirely kidding

448 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:25:32pm

re: #441 RealityBasedSteve

I know the universe is more than 5 minutes old, just look at my browser history. Duh!

RBS

Your browser history, your memories, written records (e.g., the bible), fossils etc. are all evidence that could be faked by a supreme being. How does a creationist pick and choose which evidence is to be taken seriously?

I’ll have to remember this line of reasoning the next time a creationist chew-toy shows up.

449 freetoken  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:27:17pm

Speaking of evolution, Carl Zimmer had a good post yesterday:

Evolution Hidden In Plain Sight

It’s an update on Lenski’s E. coli and how they are evolving, specifically, what it has taken for the bacteria to feed on citrate.

450 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:27:31pm

re: #438 GeneJockey

That way, madness lies!
///

Seriously, for me overeating is a function of the EXISTENCE of pie. I can’t eat just one piece. If it’s there, I’ll eat it. I discovered over my recent 16-day Fuck-Off-apalooza that one reason I could lose 30# this year had to do with there being no snacks available at work. At home, if I get peckish, I just stroll to the kitchen and make a sandwich, or some toast with jam, or a dish of cashews, then another…

On top of that, the Older Boy tried to kill me. He made caramels FOUR FUCKING TIMES!!!, in addition to 3 apple pies, 2 pumpkin, and a blueberry. Then on Sunday night, he suddenly decided to make Yorkshire Pudding.

Yorkshire Pudding? What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports possessed him? Where did he even get the idea?

snicker.

Ignoring the pudding (if possible), I’ll make a suggestion - one you can pass to Older boy.

Make tarts. Individual tarts. And freeze all but the next serving. Usually (depending on just how tempted you are) the need to thaw slows things down just enough, and the individual portions helps as well.

On the other hand … I decided, a few nights ago, that I wanted to make cheesecake. I do, umm, heavy, large cheesecake. Very rich.

It lasted 24 hours. Because I managed to hide it in the back of the refrigerator for 12.

451 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:27:39pm

re: #173 BusyMonster

There won’t be a fact of them starting a revolution, Steve. The Tea Party’s demographic consists of hangers-on, followers, bandwagon-riders, loudmouths, oh, and by the way the dumbest 10-20% of our population.

The people who are of zero use.

Whose jobs could be done by a monkey.

Who just get in the way of useful, productive people.

These are the Tea Partiers who keep screaming they’re going to overthrow Obama. Fat. Lazy. Stupid. Incompetent. I have not encountered a Teabagger with any serious intelligence or moral courage, not online or in person. They are not the kind of people I find intimidating or threatening, intellectually or otherwise, as individuals. Usually they are failures in some way, in their own life.

They are never, ever going to do anything but run their lazy mouths about it, and if by chance one of these little punks gets all excitable and starts shooting at us Americans, he’s gonna end up dogpiled to the ground with the barrel of his gun shoved right up his ass.

Wow, aren’t we the snob. Well, the way I was approaching the problem was that what would you do if you actually wanted to succeed in overthrowing the govt and get away with it. Doesn’t take a whole lot in this environment. You could blame the teabaggers all you want but that won’t find the perpetraters. Remember all the anti muslim stuff after 9/11? Didn’t do a whole hell of a lot of good, did it?

452 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:28:22pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Albion is the font of Capitalism and English Law! Only a filthy Eurosocialist would denounce her as ‘perfidious’! [unholsters 3-D printed M1911] Die, Enemy of Freedom!! [opens fire]

/entirely kidding

Actually, I believe it was a Euromonarchist.

453 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:31:13pm

re: #418 freetoken

It may come as a surprise to some, but the light from those distant galaxies is older than 6000 years.

I once tried to help a creationist out by suggesting that he could argue that God did indeed make everything 6000 years ago but set it up to look older than it was. He wouldn’t bite.

454 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:31:41pm

re: #453 SteveMcGazi

I once tried to help a creationist out by suggesting that he could argue that God did indeed make everything 6000 years ago but set it up to look older than it was. He wouldn’t bite.

“It’s a trap!!”

455 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:32:44pm

re: #450 kirkspencer

snicker.

Ignoring the pudding (if possible), I’ll make a suggestion - one you can pass to Older boy.

Make tarts. Individual tarts. And freeze all but the next serving. Usually (depending on just how tempted you are) the need to thaw slows things down just enough, and the individual portions helps as well.

On the other hand … I decided, a few nights ago, that I wanted to make cheesecake. I do, umm, heavy, large cheesecake. Very rich.

It lasted 24 hours. Because I managed to hide it in the back of the refrigerator for 12.

Last Thanksgiving, instead of the usual two pumpkin pies, I made one pie and 11 tarts (in a popover pan). The tarts lasted WAYYYY longer than a second pie would have, and that’s without freezing and thawing. I think there’s just something about a circle with a piece out of it that cries out for completion (eating the rest).

456 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:34:51pm

I once tried to pull off an argument that Dennis Rodman’s trip to North Korea a few years ago was a secret CIA mission to get some intel on the little fella’s mind. I really had my friends buying into it. Not after today!

457 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:35:02pm

re: #455 wrenchwench

Last Thanksgiving, instead of the usual two pumpkin pies, I made one pie and 11 tarts (in a popover pan). The tarts lasted WAYYYY longer than a second pie would have, and that’s without freezing and thawing. I think there’s just something about a circle with a piece out of it that cries out for completion (eating the rest).

and once the pie starts getting below the 50% point, then when you take a piece you start thinking that ‘geeze, there isn’t much left, maybe I ought to finish it off’.

RBS
Who can ALWAYS justify pie

458 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:35:36pm

re: #455 wrenchwench

Last Thanksgiving, instead of the usual two pumpkin pies, I made one pie and 11 tarts (in a popover pan). The tarts lasted WAYYYY longer than a second pie would have, and that’s without freezing and thawing. I think there’s just something about a circle with a piece out of it that cries out for completion (eating the rest).

I believe our local expert on that phenomenon is Amory Blaine.

459 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:36:51pm

re: #457 RealityBasedSteve

and once the pie starts getting below the 50% point, then when you take a piece you start thinking that ‘geeze, there isn’t much left, maybe I ought to finish it off’.

RBS
Who can ALWAYS justify pie

Mr. w refers to a whole pie as ‘one piece’, as in, ‘there’s only one piece of pie left’. Sometimes he’ll offer to split it with me.

460 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:37:50pm

re: #450 kirkspencer

snicker.

Ignoring the pudding (if possible), I’ll make a suggestion - one you can pass to Older boy.

Make tarts. Individual tarts. And freeze all but the next serving. Usually (depending on just how tempted you are) the need to thaw slows things down just enough, and the individual portions helps as well.

On the other hand … I decided, a few nights ago, that I wanted to make cheesecake. I do, umm, heavy, large cheesecake. Very rich.

It lasted 24 hours. Because I managed to hide it in the back of the refrigerator for 12.

Ironically enough, it was the Yorkshire Pudding he made in individual servings.

The caramels were in individual servings. Nice, bite-sized individual servings. A bunch of them, all in one container. They lasted less than 24 hours. 2 of the 3 apple pies lasted two days total, because there were two of them.

Actually I’m really proud of him for the apple pies. I’d always used pie filling (it put me through college, that and blood), but I was disturbed at the price of the 2 cans of filling you need for a single pie. SO, we made it fresh from apples. Peeled, cored, and sliced ‘em; added the sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, and tapioca starch; rolled out the dough for a double-crust pie, filled up the lower crust with apples, and discovered we had half of them leftover. He says, “Throw the top crust in another pan, put the apples in it while I make up streusel topping!”

He has the ability to respond well in a crisis, if it means more pies!

461 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:38:33pm

A simple, brutal representation of how the crazy has been mainstreamed: the expansion of the market for right-wing conspiracies.

Just the numbers: ad revenues plus product consumption (videos, PPV, books, live events).

How much bigger has is gotten since 2008?

Glen Beck is making money hand-over-glove…but his success isn’t blocking 20 to 30 other “pundits” from hauling home 6 to 7 figure per annum. And below them are the hundreds of smaller acts pulling smaller audiences.

And let’s unpack the entire revenue model of Fox News, which samples the crazy when it suits their needs…and it suits their needs a lot. Just Asking Questions, hosting a full panoply of conspiracy nutters and haters. Birthers, Islamophobes, homophobes, and an allsorts sampler of people that just think Obama isn’t “real American” and/or is destroying the country.

Then unpack the consumers…how many of them? How many of them really believe what they consume? Out of that number, how many could be dangerous? How many could be dangerous, and could get organized?

If you follow the money—and there’s a lot to follow—you can’t pretend this is about the “fringe” anymore. The consumer base is enormous; there’s so much market share that there are multiple powerhouses that aren’t eating one another.

462 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:39:20pm

re: #457 RealityBasedSteve

and once the pie starts getting below the 50% point, then when you take a piece you start thinking that ‘geeze, there isn’t much left, maybe I ought to finish it off’.

RBS
Who can ALWAYS justify pie

gotta eat it before it goes bad.
And it most likely will go bad very soon, so eat it all NOW…

463 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:39:30pm

re: #453 SteveMcGazi

I once tried to help a creationist out by suggesting that he could argue that God did indeed make everything 6000 years ago but set it up to look older than it was. He wouldn’t bite.

creationists don’t bite - they only swallow whole

464 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:40:06pm

re: #461 The Ghost of a Flea

Father Coughlin goes corporate, with some small adjustments to the messaging to fit circumstances…

465 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:41:13pm

re: #464 EPR-radar

Father Coughlin goes corporate, with some small adjustments to the messaging to fit circumstances…

not to mention p t barnum

466 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:41:49pm

re: #465 dog philosopher

not to mention p t barnum

If only we could show them the Great Egress…

467 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:43:15pm

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Albion is the font of Capitalism and English Law! Only a filthy Eurosocialist would denounce her as ‘perfidious’! [unholsters 3-D printed M1911] Die, Enemy of Freedom!! [opens fire]

/entirely kidding

My mind first read that as “upholsters”. That’d be a funny lookin’ 1911.

468 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:53:00pm

YES! Tightening the summary, some creative reformatting, getting rid of the bullet points that were nothing but empty buzzwords and rewriting others to be clearer has helped. I’m almost down to two solid pages.

I will beat this resume into submission, damn it. I’ve got three different job fairs and two employer open houses this month and a bunch of applications to send out.

469 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:53:44pm

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

gotta eat it before it goes bad.
And it most likely will go bad very soon, so eat it all NOW…

Nah, you’re just protecting the stomachs of everyone else by sacrificing your own. Such nobility, removing the pie from everyone’s presence like that.

470 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:56:19pm

re: #468 Lidane

YES! Tightening the summary, some creative reformatting, getting rid of the bullet points that were nothing but empty buzzwords and rewriting others to be clearer has helped. I’m almost down to two solid pages.

I will beat this resume into submission, damn it. I’ve got three different job fairs and two employer open houses this month and a bunch of applications to send out.

bzzzt - buzzword alert. No, not sarcasm, ugly bitter experience.

If your resume is going into an electronic system you want to put the buzzwords back in, even if it means taking out the Really Good Stuff.

Database searches for candidates are scored base on terms searched. Terms searched are usually, almost always, buzzwords. A human will check to make sure you didn’t do buzzword bingo and that they actually make sense and fit in context.

Imaginative, alternately phrased resumes are what you put in front of people who are actually going to read them and use them to select which of you gets the next shot.

471 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 4:58:51pm

re: #465 dog philosopher

not to mention p t barnum

Not so much: Barnum played people often, but I do not know of cases where he trafficed in the kind of Bad Craziness spewed by Garrow and Santilli.

472 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:01:05pm

I guess pagans are dangerous.

473 palomino  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:03:19pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Why is it that someone who thinks differently from you has to be labeled “can’t think for themselves?”

I certainly don’t think most conservatives are incapable of thinking, even for themselves. I just think they’re wrong and so resistant to change that they block progress and misapprehend that life and politics require constant change and acceptance thereof.

474 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:05:36pm

re: #470 kirkspencer

bzzzt - buzzword alert. No, not sarcasm, ugly bitter experience.

If your resume is going into an electronic system you want to put the buzzwords back in, even if it means taking out the Really Good Stuff.

Database searches for candidates are scored base on terms searched. Terms searched are usually, almost always, buzzwords. A human will check to make sure you didn’t do buzzword bingo and that they actually make sense and fit in context.

Imaginative, alternately phrased resumes are what you put in front of people who are actually going to read them and use them to select which of you gets the next shot.

This is a job fair resume for people that I’m going to meet face to face.

I still have some buzzwords in there, but the stuff I took out was redundant. I’m basically taking one bullet point to say what i covered in two or three points before.

475 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:10:49pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

“Dittos, Rush!”

476 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:11:36pm


I saw the doodle this morning. I saw an article this afternoon that said it was a twitter sensation, but this is the first tweet I’ve seen about it. I must not be paying enough attention.

477 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:19:32pm

Anyone else having troubles with Netflix loading?

478 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:21:03pm

re: #477 Justanotherhuman

Anyone else having troubles with Netflix loading?

Nope, watching Spaceballs now.

479 JustMark  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:22:55pm

re: #276 Aunty Entity Dragon

Footfall was pretty good. Lucifer’s Hammer was a John Galt glibitarian fluffing worthy of a Vivid Entertainment porn shoot.

I enjoyed Lucifer’s Hammer, granted I was eighteen when I read it…

480 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:23:43pm

re: #478 Single-handed sailor

Nope, watching Spaceballs now.

On the east coast? it keeps buffering, and is slow to load initially. Evidently some people are having problems, just checked. Don’t know if it’s from Xbox or Netflix itself.

481 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:25:42pm

Syria ships out first batch of chemical weapons materials

(Reuters) - Syria has started moving chemical weapons materials out of the country in a crucial phase of an internationally backed disarmament program that has been delayed by war and technical problems.

482 geoffm33  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:27:39pm

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Talk about not being able to think for yourself:

re: #210 Charles Johnson

Aetna did NOT leave California. They stopped selling individual insurance in California, but they’re still providing insurance to the large and small business market.

re: #219 EdDantes

I posted that. they stopped selling individual insurance which is what I thought the whole idea of Obamacare was about. I can no longer buy health insurance through my company because Aetna does not offer it because of Obamacare. So, yes, Aetna still has operations in the state of California.

Or maybe you tried to, but hurt yourself in the process.

483 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:29:35pm

Evening Lizards. I am not going to go through 400 + posts, but I am going to assume the the wingnut brigade is/was going on about over-throwing the U.S government with the usaual disdain from the Lizard community.

484 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:32:07pm

re: #480 Justanotherhuman

On the east coast? it keeps buffering, and is slow to load initially. Evidently some people are having problems, just checked. Don’t know if it’s from Xbox or Netflix itself.

I’ve been noticing from about 5-11 Pacific Time that Netflix doesn’t like to give a good stream. I have to restart the movie 6-10 times to get it streaming in HD.

485 geoffm33  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:38:29pm

re: #356 EdDantes

Boom! You are a ninja with that riposte.

Next up for Ed:

Your rubber, I’m glue….

486 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:42:28pm

re: #418 freetoken

It may come as a surprise to some, but the light from those distant galaxies is older than 6000 years.

Yeah, it’s old and not moving as fast as it used to.

487 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:45:27pm

re: #484 Single-handed sailor

I’ve been noticing from about 5-11 Pacific Time that Netflix doesn’t like to give a good stream. I have to restart the movie 6-10 times to get it streaming in HD.

Probably lots of people watching movies during this deep freeze. Overload that Netflix is having trouble handling?

488 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:46:53pm

A LGF Public Service Announcement…

RBS

489 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:47:03pm

Must… not … bark …

Later, lizards.

490 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:49:58pm

Can’t anyone in Canada operate a train?


Esp the ones carrying oil and gas.

491 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:58:51pm

I don’t know if this has been posted here, but my wife just showed it to me and it’s pretty durn cool.

Wind Map

492 Dave In Austin  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:00:10pm

Ayyyep!!
Youtube Video

493 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:08:45pm

re: #491 makeitstop

I don’t know if this has been posted here, but my wife just showed it to me and it’s pretty durn cool.

Wind Map

Yep, cool. But not as cool as Earth Wind Map.

494 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:28:04pm

If I’ve done this right, this is a cache look at Operation American Spring, cited in the Santilli show that lead this thread. Note that Speaker Boehner will not be in play either. He and Sen McConnell will be facing a tribunal led by Allan West, Ted Cruz, and a handful of other trustworthy patriots. This is copped from Freedomworks, which is arguably quite close to the TPGOP mainstream.

(Did it wrong.)

495 AlexRogan  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:38:06pm

re: #494 Decatur Deb

If I’ve done this right, this is a cache look at Operation American Spring, cited in the Santilli show that lead this thread. Note that Speaker Boehner will not be in play either. He and Sen McConnell will be fsacing a tribunal led by Allan West, Ted Cruz, and a handful of other trustworthy patriots. This is copped from Freedomworks, which is arguably quite close to the TPGOP mainstream.

webcache.googleusercontent.com:CVxgTEghlaoJ:connect.freedomworks.org/news/view/421466%3Fdestination%3Dnews+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Linky bad…

496 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:40:47pm

re: #495 AlexRogan

Linky bad…

Yeah—the url looks weird, and I can’t get it to copy in. Just going to kill it, people can find it easily enough.

497 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:53:50pm

How did I miss a whole pie thread?

498 sagehen  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:19:31pm

re: #489 wrenchwench

Must… not … bark …

Later, lizards.

that hostage puppy looks worried the ransom won’t be paid…

499 Green Alien  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:50:40pm

So if Dr. Jim and Peter get arrested for treason and sedition that’s Obama fault too.

500 Green Alien  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:55:40pm

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Yes and it will be Obama’s fault if Dr. Jim and Pet are arrested for treason/sedition.

501 Green Alien  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:05:37pm

re: #1 Pie-onist Overlord

Listen to Dr. Jim’s harrowing tale of how the Obama administration murdered Andrew Breitbart, Tom Clancy (poison) and blew up Michael Hastings because they were writing a book together that would blow the lid off on Obama in a radio interview with Doug Hagmann. Hagmann is a “senior” writer at Canada Free Press (who also publishes Garrow sidekick Erik Rush) on the Hagmann and Hagmann Report. Hagmann also fancies himself a 30-year private investigator. Hey Mr. PI if they are so good at killing people why was Garrow’s “assissination” attempt bungled? No proof necessary.

Youtube Video

502 John Vreeland  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:26:11am

“Have you ever advocated the violent overthrow of the US government?” Imagine me asking this in a gritty vintage movie, dressed in a jacket and a tie like some old g-man cliche.

503 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:26:27am

re: #312 EdDantes

Excellent question! I have no respect for most of you because you are reflexive liberals and can’t think for yourselves but I jump in occasionally just for the hell of it.

Asshole.


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