Creationist “Ark Park” on the verge of going under?

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After years of treading water, it looks like the long awaited “Ark Encounter” amusement park is about to sink.

According to multiple reports in LEO Weekly (a Louisville publication), AiG said in January 2011 that ground would be broken on the project that spring. Then in May of that year, AiG said groundbreaking would be over the summer. In June, AiG said construction would begin in August. By early August AiG still had not broken ground but promised that it would happen “in the next few months.”

Then in late August 2011, AiG bumped the timetable way back, saying groundbreaking would begin in the spring of 2012.

Last we heard, AiG President Ken Ham said he hopes the Ark Park will open in 2016. Now it looks like even that is unrealistic because a last-ditch effort to save the project with municipal bonds is going nowhere.

Americans United noted in November that the city of Williamstown, which already gave the overtly religious park a 75 percent property tax break, decided it would sell $62 million in municipal bonds starting in December for AiG affiliates.

That hasn’t quite worked out. The Louisville Courier-Journal reported last week that while $26.5 million in bonds have been sold already, the city must sell an additional $29 million by Feb. 6 or else those who already bought bonds will be able to collect on their investment immediately.

Read more: “Has The ‘Ark Park’ Run Aground?: Ky. Biblical Theme Park Has Only Weeks To Raise Millions”

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319 comments
1 nines09  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:38:46pm

It is the will of……………..

2 aagcobb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 5:46:10pm

Wonderful news. Kentucky doesn’t need another monument to ignorance.

3 calochortus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:00:58pm

I gather Ham’s “Creation Museum” is having its financial problems too. Imagine that.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:17:55pm

Pretty amazing that something like this can’t even get off the ground in Kentucky.

5 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:21:21pm

Ken Ham, modest as always:

“Please be aware that the associated complications and struggles have been beyond our control. The battles were another reminder of the truth of Ephesians 6:12: “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.”
fatlip.leoweekly.com

6 Ryan King  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:26:56pm

If those darn rulers of darkness and spiritual hosts of evil are bad wait till he tangles with the building department.

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:27:54pm

Here’s the artist’s conception of this creationist theme park, from better days when it looked like they might actually trick the state into paying for it:

8 aagcobb  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:50:19pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Pretty amazing that something like this can’t even get off the ground in Kentucky.

OK, this is where I remind everyone that Kentucky’s Obamacare exchange has been the envy of the nation; we aren’t all a bunch of ignorant snake handlers.

9 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:07:51pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I can see why people like Ken Ham don’t like the separation of church and state. He’d take government money for his project, if they’d let him get away with it.

10 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:25:31pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Here’s the artist’s conception of this creationist theme park, from better days when it looked like they might actually trick the state into paying for it:

[Embedded image]

How they expected to keep palm trees alive in Kentucky I can not imagine, nor how they could expected to have many animals in that relatively small space of the Ark and avoid getting condemned by every zoological society in North America.

11 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:25:38pm

It’s all about the money, honey.

“Perhaps the types of people who can afford large municipal bonds are a bit hesitant to invest in this taxpayer-supported biblical scheme given that Williamstown’s bonds are unrated. That means they are the riskiest type of bond offering, and the odds that the city will default on them are expected to be pretty high. Bloomberg News reported that the bond offering documents list 39 risks for investors, including the fact that AiG has no obligation to pay off the debt. Instead, Bloomberg said, bond holders would earn a return only when customers spend cash at the park.” (my emphasis)

au.org

Investors aren’t as stupid as Ken Ham thinks they are.

12 thatthatisis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:27:58pm

I love the whole concept of religious-backed museums. Have you seen the pictures they always have of Jesus riding a dinosaur? There he is, on the dinosaur’s back, reigns in his hand like a horse.

I never could understand how Jesus, the creator of the world, who rose from the dead, and is part of the divine trinity, needs reigns to hang onto a dinosauer’s back.

13 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:32:59pm

re: #12 thatthatisis

They’re slippery devils.

14 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:33:43pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

How they expected to keep palm trees alive in Kentucky I can not imagine, nor how they could expected to have many animals in that relatively small space of the Ark and avoid getting condemned by every zoological society in North America.

Regarding the zoological society, there have been some “revisions” to their plans. Apparently they designed the outer structure, and at the very end of the process tried to shoehorn the animal spaces in. Now they seem to be talking about having a few small animals (like a petting zoo) and animatronics for the rest.

I think there was something over at FreeThoughtBlogs on it, but I’m just too tired lazy to look right now.

This has all the hallmarks of a grift from the get go. I know at the creation museum they have added in things like a zip-line to try and get people to come in.

RBS
Who did a solo bicycle tour around central KY a couple of years ago, beautiful and nice people.

15 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:34:13pm

Gives him that General Jesus vibe they crave.

16 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:36:29pm

I expect the group will like this story:

Marines fulfill vet’s dying wish by reversing his ‘undesirably discharged’ for being ‘homosexual’ (AUDIO)

A former Marine who has weeks left to live had his dying wish fulfilled by the United States Marine Corps.

Hal Faulkner, 79, has been diagnosed with terminal cancer and has already lived longer than expected. In 1956, after serving a tour in the Philippines, he received an “undesirable discharge” from the Marine Corps for being “homosexual.” This Marine’s dying wish was to have his discharge status changed to “honorable,” Public Radio reports.

Typically, changing a discharge status can take many months. But with the help of his family and the Corps, Faulkner was able to have his expedited in just two weeks.

17 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:36:40pm

18 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:38:24pm

I’m outta here for the night. Here’s a delightful British product for your dining enjoyment.

I have NO idea what this is.

RBS

19 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:44:56pm

re: #18 RealityBasedSteve

I’m outta here for the night. Here’s a delightful British product for your dining enjoyment.

I have NO idea what this is.

RBS

Ok, apparently it’s a p-shop job. Darn. Still sounds like something the brits would eat.

RBS

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:45:57pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

I expect the group will like this story:

Marines fulfill vet’s dying wish by reversing his ‘undesirably discharged’ for being ‘homosexual’ (AUDIO)

I read that other day. An honorable moment for the Corps.

21 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:47:49pm

re: #19 RealityBasedSteve

Ok, apparently it’s a p-shop job. Darn. Still sounds like something the brits would eat.

RBS

urbandictionary.com

22 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:50:32pm

Speaking of pseudo science. Results for Radioactive Snow

23 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:52:37pm
The Louisville Courier-Journal reported last week that while $26.5 million in bonds have been sold already, the city must sell an additional $29 million by Feb. 6 or else those who already bought bonds will be able to collect on their investment immediately.

24 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:55:10pm

re: #22 Gus

Children’s snowmen, Mandrake!

25 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 8:59:36pm

re: #24 jaunte

Children’s snowmen, Mandrake!

26 EmmaAnne  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:00:32pm

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

It’s all about the money, honey.

“Perhaps the types of people who can afford large municipal bonds are a bit hesitant to invest in this taxpayer-supported biblical scheme given that Williamstown’s bonds are unrated. That means they are the riskiest type of bond offering, and the odds that the city will default on them are expected to be pretty high. Bloomberg News reported that the bond offering documents list 39 risks for investors, including the fact that AiG has no obligation to pay off the debt. Instead, Bloomberg said, bond holders would earn a return only when customers spend cash at the park.” (my emphasis)

au.org

Investors aren’t as stupid as Ken Ham thinks they are.

Heh, yeah. It has a whiff of “The Producers” about it.

27 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:04:48pm

HAARP, shut down in early May 2013:

Meanwhile, [HAARP’s program manager, Dr James] Keeney said, no one is on site at HAARP anymore. Access roads are blocked, buildings are chained, and the power turned off. HAARP’s website through the University of Alaska no longer is available; Keeney said the program can’t afford to pay for the service.

As things stand, the Air Force has possession of the facility, but if no other agency steps forward to take over HAARP, the facility will be dismantled. Like any researcher whose project has died from lack of funding, Keeney sounds regretful. He quipped in his press release:

If I actually could affect the weather, I’d keep it open.

earthsky.org

28 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:10:02pm

re: #26 EmmaAnne

Heh, yeah. It has a whiff of “The Producers” about it.

Ken Ham as Max Bialystock

With his theme park not even making it to the Funny Boy stage. Though he merits the same level of mockery:

Youtube Video

29 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:11:08pm

re: #27 jaunte

HAARP, shut down in early May 2013:

earthsky.org

This is the nut’s Twitter account. He’s also some RWNJ paleo-con. I think Lew Rockwell picked up the “radioactive snow” BS.

30 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:12:32pm

Long exposure from Hubble: a narrow window filled with galaxies.
There are a lot of places out there.
…

Howdy neighbors.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:14:59pm

re: #30 jaunte

[Embedded image]

Long exposure from Hubble: a narrow window filled with galaxies.
There are a lot of places out there.
…

Howdy neighbors.

Where are the globular clusters?

32 jaunte  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:15:37pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Second to the right, and straight on till morning!

33 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:17:18pm

“Fun fact: all precipitation is radioactive in excess of background, due to the presence of dissolved naturally occurring radon.”

34 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:19:32pm

Radon in rainwater

Rainwater can be intensely radioactive due to high levels of radon and its decay progeny 214Bi & 214Pb; the concentrations of these radioisotopes can be high enough to seriously disrupt radiation monitoring at nuclear power plants.[1] The highest levels of radon in rainwater occurs during thunderstorms, and it is hypothesized that radon is concentrated in thunderstorms on account of the atom’s positive electrical charge.[2] Estimates of the age of rain drops have been obtained from measuring the isotopic abundance of radon’s short-lived decay progeny in rainwater.

35 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:20:19pm

re: #33 Gus

“Fun fact: all precipitation is radioactive in excess of background, due to the presence of dissolved naturally occurring radon.”

Aw come on, Gus! You know wingnuts can’t process complex facts. Just trying triggers brain overload, and if they keep trying they risk a catastrophic head explosion.

36 Kilroy01  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:21:42pm

re: #33 Gus

“Fun fact: all precipitation is radioactive in excess of background, due to the presence of dissolved naturally occurring radon.”

Singing in the rain….

37 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:22:03pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

How they expected to keep palm trees alive in Kentucky I can not imagine, nor how they could expected to have many animals in that relatively small space of the Ark and avoid getting condemned by every zoological society in North America.

Maybe the palm trees and the animals were going to be as real as the “science” behind their claims.

38 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:23:15pm

“Other meteorological factors such as snow cover can also effect the radon concentrations in a building by creating a “cap” under which the radon can accumulate.”

forensic-applications.com

39 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:24:34pm

re: #36 Kilroy01

Singing in the rain….

[Embedded image]

Youtube Video

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:24:36pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Aw come on, Gus! You know wingnuts can’t process complex facts. Just trying triggers brain overload, and if they keep trying they risk a catastrophic head explosion.

Much as I hate to admit it, Moonbats are far more likely to freak out on those facts…

41 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:27:40pm

re: #40 William Barnett-Lewis

Much as I hate to admit it, Moonbats are far more likely to freak out on those facts…

But you did admit it, and that speaks to something I deeply respect about you.

42 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:34:46pm

Why is #41 at -1?

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:40:49pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

But you did admit it, and that speaks to something I deeply respect about you.

A long time ago I was in High School (before my Army time) and was very deeply involved in the peace movement. I taught a republican Congressman (Scott Gunderson) that the reality of Central America was _Not_ what the CIA claimed it was. 99.999% of the peacenic yahoos were also anti-nuke in those days. I was not. I burned a lot of bridges by understanding physics in those days as well as by being anti-Ronnie.

But even worse for the far left, that I am still in, was when I joined the army because I believed that Ronnie would start WWIII. I’d rather die on my feet than of radiation poisoning.

Just remember this - the people behind every label are always more complicated than is comfortable for the usual suspects…

44 Egregious Philbin  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:42:25pm

But..with god, all things are possible..aren’t they?

Where is your god now Ken Ham?

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:42:35pm

At my mom’s birthday party today, I met cousins that I haven’t seen in over 40 years, since I was a teenager.

It was strange.

46 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:43:39pm

re: #44 Egregious Philbin

Laughing.

47 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:43:57pm

Welp. Got to three sentences of Dennis Rodman’s rant. Uhhh, crazy!

48 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:45:46pm

re: #47 Gus

Welp. Got to three sentences of Dennis Rodman’s rant. Uhhh, crazy!

He’s friends with Chubby Kim. Why should I give a rats ass about anything else he ever says?

49 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:45:57pm

re: #47 Gus

Welp. Got to three sentences of Dennis Rodman’s rant. Uhhh, crazy!

I haven’t paid attention to Rodman since I watched the beginning of “Double Team”.

50 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:49:06pm

re: #49 Kragar

I haven’t paid attention to Rodman since I watched the beginning of “Double Team”.

I think I’m on my fourth sentence from Rodman.

51 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:51:56pm

re: #47 Gus

Welp. Got to three sentences of Dennis Rodman’s rant. Uhhh, crazy!

52 Kid A  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:54:21pm

Switched to Nikon over the holidays, and shot my first assignment with it tonight for the Chronicle. The D3s is an amazing machine; everything razor sharp at ISO 8000 (and that was 2/3-1 stop underexposed).

53 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:57:26pm
54 Gus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:58:10pm
55 Ed E. Lishus  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:01:52pm

re: #52 Kid A

“What a shot!” That’s what she said.

56 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:01:58pm

Reworking my old Marine chapter into a Salamanders successor chapter. In the last week, I’ve put together a about a half dozen new veteran sgts and put in a few more flame and melta weapons.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:02:43pm
58 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:07:59pm

G’night.

59 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:09:45pm

What a lot of Fundamentalist Christians don’t get is that the Separation of Church and State is also there to protect the public from shills and hucksters out to pick the public’s pockets in the name of their particular brand of religion.

60 darthstar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:39:32pm

BMW’s self-driving car…that drifts.

Youtube Video

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:42:59pm

This is from the REAL FreeRepublic Twitter account, not the spoof account that selects “The Best Derp Of Freep”

62 darthstar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:44:11pm

Yeesh. I don’t care for gondolas when I’m inside them. Open air double-decker tram in Switzerland.

63 Lidane  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:46:56pm
64 Kragar  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:49:35pm
65 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:53:49pm

Wingnuts are spamming this stupid graphic, in defense of Teh Waltons & their CEO getting to keep all their billions.
How many mistakes can you find in it?

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:55:17pm

Any questions?
Yes, how come Costco pays its employees more than $15/hr and they haven’t gone out of business?

67 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:59:05pm

re: #52 Kid A

Switched to Nikon over the holidays, and shot my first assignment with it tonight for the Chronicle. The D3s is an amazing machine; everything razor sharp at ISO 8000 (and that was 2/3-1 stop underexposed).[Embedded image]

The action Pops!! Super clear delineation.

68 GeneJockey  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:12:02pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Any questions?
Yes, how come Costco pays its employees more than $15/hr and they haven’t gone out of business?

THAT is the $15/hour question. Why can’t Walmart do what others can? If they’re so rich, why aren’t they smart?

69 Just never mind.  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:14:34pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Any questions?
Yes, how come Costco pays its employees more than $15/hr and they haven’t gone out of business?

Um, because they run a good business. Fair to their employees and customers.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:18:45pm

If this was at my house right now, he wouldn’t be melting.
He’s be a frozen little furry lump…

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 11:22:57pm

Found out what woke me up at 1:30 am yesterday.
The “shattering” sound was a jar of pennies that fell off a shelf. A few other things had also fallen.
Within the next couple hours, there were several booms and other loud noises, along with small shaking of the house.
I just figured it was weird wind stuff.

Learned on the news that it was something called “frostquakes”.

72 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:04:34am

Creationist “Ark Park” on the verge of

moar tactical bacon

73 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:24:01am
74 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:24:53am

re: #52 Kid A

CR Mustangs — Cedar Rapids, by chance?

75 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:28:30am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi

CR Mustangs — Cedar Rapids, by chance?

Houston, actually. Both of those schools are in the Cypress area of the city. It looks like a game between Cypress Woods and Cypress Ranch.

76 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:31:42am

re: #75 Lidane

Well, nevermind, then. My daughter and son-in-law live in Cedar Rapids. Just wonderin’

77 sagehen  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:43:00am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are spamming this stupid graphic, in defense of Teh Waltons & their CEO getting to keep all their billions.
How many mistakes can you find in it?
[Embedded image]

1. WalMart doesn’t have 2 million employees, they have 1.2 million
2. They claim their average employee makes $12/hr (probably including the waltons in that average, which skews the result, but let’s go with their numbers).

A $3/hr raise for full-time people is $6k/year, times 1.2M people is $7 billion dollars a year. Which is less than half what this graphic claims was last year’s profit.

78 sagehen  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:01:07am

Yesterday, the temperature just barely made it into double digits.

Today, it’s supposed to get into the 20’s. Tomorrow, into the 30’s. Friday, the 40’s. Saturday, the 50’s.

(the forecasted overnight lows show a similar progression: Wed 18, Thu 28, Fri 39, Sat 42).

This can’t be normal.

79 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:11:58am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are spamming this stupid graphic, in defense of Teh Waltons & their CEO getting to keep all their billions.
How many mistakes can you find in it?
[Embedded image]

I did some fact checking just now.

In 2013, Wal-mart had 1.3 million hourly workers. Their average hourly wage was $12.83. Note this does not include salaried workers, or the Waltons themselves. Source

So the quoted average of $8.81 is wrong. Probably an old figure.

According to Forbes’ review of the Fortune 500, in 2011 Wal-mart had profits of $15.7 billion. So, the quoted profits are close, I reckon. I didn’t bother checking their 2013 profits.

Doing the math as the graphic does yields these figures.

Additional cost/hour/wage earner: $2.17
Cost per hour: $2.8 million
Cost per 40 hour work week: $112.84 million*
Cost per year: $5.87 billion

So, poor little old Wal-Mart would rake in a paltry $10 billion in profits.

*AFAIK, many Wal-mart work less than 40 hours a week, so this figure could be less.

ADDENDUM: I found the $8.81 figure here, at an anti-Wal-Mart site. makingchangeatwalmart.org No date associated with it, but I am guessing 2012 2011.

These wages seem to be for sales associates, the folks that work the retail space and the cashiers, not warehouse workers or truck drivers, who likely make more than $8.81 an hour. Even so, I suspect Wally World could still make a profit if it paid the retail staff $15/hr.

80 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 2:26:12am

If companies can’t make money while providing jobs that don’t require tax subsidies, why do we need them at all?

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 2:38:24am

re: #80 Amory Blaine

If companies can’t make money while providing jobs that don’t require tax subsidies, why do we need them at all?

Companies can pay provide good-paying jobs and quality benefits yet still be profitable. Just ask the guys over at Costco.

82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:05:14am

What would taxpayers save if Walmart workers could afford to get off food stamps and Medicaid assistance?

83 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:09:43am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

What would taxpayers save if Walmart workers could affort to get off food stamps and Medicaid assistance?

Indeed, there’s an excellent question. If Wal-Mart paid enough so that even their lowest employee could get by without welfare, how much would it save taxpayers?

84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:14:24am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Indeed, there’s an excellent question. If Wal-Mart paid enough so that even their lowest employee could get by without welfare, how much would it save taxpayers?

The Waltons would have to cut back on domestic staff, creating further unemployment…

85 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:38:26am

re: #62 darthstar

Yeesh. I don’t care for gondolas when I’m inside them. Open air double-decker tram in Switzerland.

[Embedded image]

Fuck that thing.

86 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:45:28am

re: #68 GeneJockey

THAT is the $15/hour question. Why can’t Walmart do what others can? If they’re so rich, why aren’t they smart?

Inheritance does not have a screening process or entrance exam.

87 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 3:52:58am

re: #86 Eventual Carrion

Inheritance does not have a screening process or entrance exam.

There’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that rich men breed for boob.

88 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:19:20am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

There’s a lot of anecdotal evidence that rich men breed for boob.

Ha, I read that as “rich men breed boobs” on the first glance of the comment. Works out that way many times also I guess.

89 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:07am

re: #88 Eventual Carrion

Ha, I read that as “rich men breed boobs” on the first glance of the comment. Works out that way many times also I guess.

Known in sociological circles as “The Trump Hypothesis”.

Image: donald-trump-and-wife.jpg

Though there are European varieties:

Image: lugner-lohan-billionaire-date-vienna-opera-4.jpg

90 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:24:09am

Weather Channel is slapping Rushbo (and all the other deniers) about the Polar Vortex. Showing how the heating is disrupting it and causing this situation.

91 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:29:10am

re: #90 Eventual Carrion

Weather Channel is slapping Rushbo (and all the other deniers) about the Polar Vortex. Showing how the heating is disrupting it and causing this situation.

Don’t mess with rabid meteorologists on their home turf.

(If only librarians had their own cable channel!)

92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:31:35am

It was German Chancellor Bismarck who quipped: “The grandfather founds the company, the father expands the business, and the grandson goes on to study art history.”

93 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:32:18am

News of some note: China for some reason is blocking access to The Guardian website.
shanghaiist.com

No one knows why, as The Guardian hasn’t published anything that would hurt China’s feelings.

94 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:43:49am

re: #90 Eventual Carrion

Weather Channel is slapping Rushbo (and all the other deniers) about the Polar Vortex. Showing how the heating is disrupting it and causing this situation.

Meanwhile, I’ve got wingnuts aplenty who are screaming now that this is a “cooling trend” or blaming it on “solar activity” and absolutely sure it’s all just part of a “cycle” that will go away.

95 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:46:12am

re: #94 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, I’ve got wingnuts aplenty who are screaming now that this is a “cooling trend” or blaming it on “solar activity” and absolutely sure it’s all just part of a “cycle” that will go away.

These people do not retreat, they reload.

96 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:49:33am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

These people do not retreat, they reload.

They entrench deeper is what they do. Though some have started to employ fallback positions, such as saying “Yes, the Earth is warming, but humans aren’t to blame,” or in the most desperate circumstances “Okay, humans had an effect, but not big enough that it would mater!”

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:53:41am

re: #96 Targetpractice

They entrench deeper is what they do. Though some have started to employ fallback positions, such as saying “Yes, the Earth is warming, but humans aren’t to blame,” or in the most desperate circumstances “Okay, humans had an effect, but not big enough that it would mater!”

And some are going for “Doesn’t matter—it’s too late now.” Anything to avoid disrupting the oil flow.

98 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:58:37am

Something is screwy. None of the (underline italic bold link buttons are visible and when I ding someone it takes me to the front page. O_o

99 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:59:55am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

And some are going for “Doesn’t matter—it’s too late now.” Anything to avoid disrupting the oil flow.

Ayep. If any proposal is put on the table to curb CO2 emissions that might in any way inconvenience them, even if it’s adding $.02 to the cost of a gallon of gas, they’re against it. Meanwhile they look at the adverse weather that’s destroying whole harvests and driving up costs and assume that it’s a “cycle” that will straighten itself out in a few years.

100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:04:23am

re: #99 Targetpractice

Meanwhile they look at the adverse weather that’s destroying whole harvests and driving up costs and assume that it’s a “cycle” that will straighten itself out in a few years.

Things like that never bothered the dinosaurs.

101 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:15:03am

re: #90 Eventual Carrion

Weather Channel is slapping Rushbo (and all the other deniers) about the Polar Vortex. Showing how the heating is disrupting it and causing this situation.

Al Roker this morning showed the definition from a Meteorological Glossary of Terms from 1959.
He then told the doubters to “stuff it”.
XD

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:24:16am

re: #99 Targetpractice

Ayep. If any proposal is put on the table to curb CO2 emissions that might in any way inconvenience them, even if it’s adding $.02 to the cost of a gallon of gas, they’re against it. Meanwhile they look at the adverse weather that’s destroying whole harvests and driving up costs and assume that it’s a “cycle” that will straighten itself out in a few years.

I’m waiting for the day you see a panel of Koch-types and politicians sit there and say, “Face it. You fucked up. You trusted us.” Though it will probably be a video played forty years after they are all dead. And their children had already bought out the limited number of ark tickets.

103 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:33:28am

re: #98 Amory Blaine

Working normally here (FF under Linux).

104 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:34:01am

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi

News of some note: China for some reason is blocking access to The Guardian website.
shanghaiist.com

No one knows why, as The Guardian hasn’t published anything that would hurt China’s feelings.

Because they’re helping Greensnow? : )

Who no doubt would have already been executed.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:34:37am

re: #101 Varek Raith

Al Roker this morning showed the definition from a Meteorological Glossary of Terms from 1959.
He then told the doubters to “stuff it”.
XD

And it’s not like any of the doubters couldn’t have looked it up before opening their yaps about it being a fictional term. Or they did and decided to ignore it since it interfered with the chosen narrative. Real or false ignorance in any case.

106 Aqua Obama  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:36:59am

Huh, I missed this:

Fiat, in Deal With Union, Will Buy Rest of Chrysler

Chrysler, the smallest of the three American automakers, is set to be completely absorbed by an Italian company, Fiat.

Fiat said on Wednesday that it had reached an agreement to take full ownership of Chrysler in a $4.35 billion deal with the United Automobile Workers retiree health care fund.

107 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:44:50am

re: #102 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for the day you see a panel of Koch-types and politicians sit there and say, “Face it. You fucked up. You trusted us.” Though it will probably be a video played forty years after they are all dead. And their children had already bought out the limited number of ark tickets.

More likely, we’ll see a panel on why we have to give more dollars to the people who created the problem, because they have the “expertise” to fix the problem.

Sort of like what happens with oil spills.

108 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:45:36am

re: #106 Aqua Obama

Huh, I missed this:

Fiat, in Deal With Union, Will Buy Rest of Chrysler

Yeah, that’s been going on for a while.

The only two cars I have ever had that sucked totally were a Dodge (total POS, that Charger L body hatchback) and a Fiat, although to be fair, the little Fiat was fun to drive until the front axle broke (bought it second hand from a reputable dealer but got rid of it as soon as they fixed it).

109 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:48:13am

re: #102 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for the day you see a panel of Koch-types and politicians sit there and say, “Face it. You fucked up. You trusted us.” Though it will probably be a video played forty years after they are all dead. And their children had already bought out the limited number of ark tickets.

IT’S THE LIBERALS FAULT!!!111ty

110 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:52:27am

re: #106 Aqua Obama

Huh, I missed this:

Fiat, in Deal With Union, Will Buy Rest of Chrysler

I am rather surprised that there hasn’t been a wingnut outcry that a foreign automaker will own one of the Big Three.

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:52:31am

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, that’s been going on for a while.

The only two cars I have ever had that sucked totally were a Dodge (total POS, that Charger L body hatchback) and a Fiat, although to be fair, the little Fiat was fun to drive until the front axle broke (bought it second hand from a reputable dealer but got rid of it as soon as they fixed it).

The only “lemon” car I recall dealing with was when my parents bought a 1985 Buick Skylark. It was in the shop four times in the first 7,000 miles (eventually traced to a bent bracket that had been partially bent back rather than being replaced - yay quality control.)

Also was a standard transmission in a design that assumed an automatic would be installed. The transmission was located in such a way that the gear shift used cables and therefore had a draw for shifting gears that I did not see the likes of again until driving Ford pick-ups; e.g. to shift the top of the shift knob had to be moved about a foot, and pulled hard. This is roughly double that of my current car.

The car also had a clutch whose friction point was wafer-thin. My father, who had been driving standard since the 1940s would miss it and stall the car every now and then. If you ever wanted to scare someone away from learning to drive standard this was the car to do it with.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:53:41am

re: #110 Targetpractice

I am rather surprised that there hasn’t been a wingnut outcry that a foreign automaker will own one of the Big Three.

Fiat promised to name their first new model the “Benghazi”.
///

113 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:54:43am

Yeah it’s something to do with my chrome. Normal on IE.

114 Aqua Obama  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:57:22am

Last big-three car I had was a Ford truck, which had some electrical issues. The headlight button burned up for no reason and the wipers failed as I was driving the NJ turnpike during a thunderstorm.

115 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:57:29am

re: #106 Aqua Obama

Huh, I missed this:

Fiat, in Deal With Union, Will Buy Rest of Chrysler

Daimler tried a joint deal with Chrysler. That experiment didn’t last very long. i read an analysis that said two management styles were like oil and water.

Sounds like FIAT is just going to buy the whole show.

In other car news, SAABs will be produced again. It’s mostly owned by a Chinese carmaker now.

116 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:59:11am

Yeah it’s got to do with an Avast! chrome plug in. Disabling it cleared up the issue.

117 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:59:27am

re: #114 Aqua Obama

Last big-three car I had was a Ford truck, which had some electrical issues. The headlight button burned up for no reason and the wipers failed as I was driving the NJ turnpike during a thunderstorm.

Was just gonna mention that non-runner of a deal.

118 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:00:54am

I have a Toyota Sienna. My first import. Felt like going to the dirty book store when I bought it. Heh.

119 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:02:53am

Ooo Gabby Gifford’s going to skydive today.

120 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:08:49am

An answer to a question nobody is asking…

121 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:11:00am

re: #73 Lidane

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There is a g-d. And I found his face in a burrito machine.


Mmmmmmm, sacrelicious…

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:13:25am

re: #121 Schadenboner

There is a g-d. And I found his face in a burrito machine.

Bender-o is the burrito making robot. He used to do crepes, but he rolled them too tightly leading to consumer injuries.
;p

123 Aqua Obama  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:14:25am

Hollywood, home of Clown Liquors, Burrito Machines, and…

124 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:14:48am

Dirty bookstores.

125 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:15:14am

Bruce Campbell as the Surgeon General.

126 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:17:04am

There’s a liquor store here named Pekar Liquor. Although now they call it Pekar’s Liquor.

127 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:18:13am

I log on to Facebook this morning, and the first post I see from one of my Facebook Wingnuts has the headline ‘This will piss you off (it was a story about FLOTUS continuing her vacation).’

First thing in the damn morning.

I’m starting to think that wingnuts are using rage as a coffee substitute or something.

128 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:18:20am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Pretty amazing that something like this can’t even get off the ground in Kentucky.

Calling what they’re proposing municipal bonds is an insult to even Kentucky investors. It’s junk bonds, and not even good ones at that. There’s no market for them, which means that the bondholders would be screwed and they wouldn’t bite on the offering.

Religious themed amusement parks haven’t done well in the US. Those that have run in the past have closed with declining visitors, like Holy Land USA (in CT).

Heritage USA likewise is shuttered (in SC).

What does this say about Americans? Perhaps it’s that they like their religion, but it can’t hold a candle to Mickey Mouse or Six Flags. Or that religious-themed amusement parks are a misnomer since they don’t offer a reason to come back year-after-year (stuck firmly in Biblical times).

It’s not like they’re going to install water rides like The Deluge, or Escape from Sodom (a roller coaster).

129 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:20:28am

re: #118 Amory Blaine

I have a Toyota Sienna. My first import. Felt like going to the dirty book store when I bought it. Heh.

Toyota Sienna is a Japanese nameplate, but it’s made/assembled in the US. The transmission might be coming from Japan, but the final assembly is here in the US.

130 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:20:40am

Frostquakes.

What a freaking world.

131 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:20:44am

A friendly reminder to all our lizards today, so that you don’t get confused:

Gates “tell-all” book: “Totally truthful! No way he’d lie about that!”

Ailes “tell-all” book: “BUNCH OF LIBRUL LIES! IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!”

This has been your Daily Wingnut Forecast.

132 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:21:53am

re: #129 lawhawk

Yes that’s kind of why I gave it a go, it was designed and built here. It’s turned out to be really reliable.

133 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:23:26am

*&%@! I have learned that an individual with the first name “Pilar” has been fraudulently using my social security number to get at least 2 credit accounts and for employment at Walmart. I am going to track this person down and put a stop to this if I have to hire a private detective. In the meantime I have transferred the information to the SS Inspector General in the hope that they can do something about it.

134 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:24:22am

OMG that’s fucked up put an emergency alert on your credit.

135 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:25:05am

re: #119 Amory Blaine

Ooo Gabby Gifford’s going to skydive today.

anything she can do to help inspire gun control, she does… I can still remember that helpless feeling when I heard the news that she had been shot. It still resonates because I had actually worked the phones for her, she’s not a perfect Dem but she was far better than the alternative. I still get outraged when I see the other side make fun of her and attempt to belittle her and her efforts to regain any semblance of normalcy in her life.

136 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:25:17am

re: #56 Kragar

Reworking my old Marine chapter into a Salamanders successor chapter. In the last week, I’ve put together a about a half dozen new veteran sgts and put in a few more flame and melta weapons.

Cleansing the xenos for a brighter tomorrow…

137 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:25:36am

Jesus, arguing with my 23 year old grandson about “some woman in Ohio got seriously ill from a flu shot”. Saw it on FB—“it was a news report someone recorded”.

Christ. What I have to deal with.

138 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:25:50am

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

Pilar is a woman’s name.

139 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:26:17am

re: #128 lawhawk

Or that religious-themed amusement parks are a misnomer since they don’t offer a reason to come back year-after-year (stuck firmly in Biblical times).

It’s not like they’re going to install water rides like The Deluge, or Escape from Sodom (a roller coaster).

Now if only we could get them to stop coming back year-after-year to the party of Biblical times…

140 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:27:17am

re: #128 lawhawk

Calling what they’re proposing municipal bonds is an insult to even Kentucky investors. It’s junk bonds, and not even good ones at that. There’s no market for them, which means that the bondholders would be screwed and they wouldn’t bite on the offering.

Religious themed amusement parks haven’t done well in the US. Those that have run in the past have closed with declining visitors, like Holy Land USA (in CT).

Heritage USA likewise is shuttered (in SC).

What does this say about Americans? Perhaps it’s that they like their religion, but it can’t hold a candle to Mickey Mouse or Six Flags. Or that religious-themed amusement parks are a misnomer since they don’t offer a reason to come back year-after-year (stuck firmly in Biblical times).

It’s not like they’re going to install water rides like The Deluge, or Escape from Sodom (a roller coaster).

It doesn’t help that superficially, the business model is “Christians will spend their money here because they like wholesome fun” but in practice it’s “an incredibly narrow band of mega-church nutters will spend their money here because they value the rituals of reaffirming their tribal beliefs.” And the latter will come once.

Because they’re not amusement parks first. they ideological touchstones for a very particular theology that not a whole lot of people are invested in. Young Earth Creationist, social conservative, on its face, and with a bitter aftertaste of all the other politics that Ken Ham vomits…you’ve chopped out a giant chunk of your client base right there.

Though I personally question whether Ark Encounter was ever supposed to succeed. I look at the bond issue and wonder if we just watching an affiliation scam play out.

141 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:28:51am

re: #128 lawhawk

It’s not like they’re going to install water rides like The Deluge, or Escape from Sodom (a roller coaster).

re: #138 Amory Blaine

Pilar is a woman’s name.

Really, really trying to link these two comments.

142 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:29:23am

re: #135 piratedan

anything she can do to help inspire gun control, she does… I can still remember that helpless feeling when I heard the news that she had been shot. It still resonates because I had actually worked the phones for her, she’s not a perfect Dem but she was far better than the alternative. I still get outraged when I see the other side make fun of her and attempt to belittle her and her efforts to regain any semblance of normalcy in her life.

Then you want to stay away from Freep today.

143 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:30:34am

re: #138 Amory Blaine

Pilar is a woman’s name.

A mistress of Hemingway, or Picasso, or both.

144 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:37:03am

I wonder if bottled water is 4.00, like at a regular amusement park.

145 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:37:39am

re: #141 Schadenboner

Really, really trying to link these two comments.

Don’t put a Lot of effort into it. You’ll get nothing but a pillar of salt and a bad aftertaste. /

146 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:37:57am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

easy enough to do to stay away from the Breitbart training league… or is it more like the Limbaugh Los Eisley?

ty for the warning tho….

147 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:43:14am

They’re announcing the new inductees to the Baseball HoF today, and I’m fully expecting Maddux and Glavine to get in by whopping margins. Frank Thomas probably will get in, and Craig Biggio might get the call too.

I don’t think there’s any way that Maddux doesn’t get the call. The only question will be whether he goes in with one of the highest percentages of votes in history. He was extremely successful as a pitcher in a live-ball era as players swelled on PEDs. Glavine was also quite successful and should get the call.

We shall see.

148 BusyMonster  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:43:38am

re: #110 Targetpractice

I am rather surprised that there hasn’t been a wingnut outcry that a foreign automaker will own one of the Big Three.

Because ever since Obama saved GM, American car manufacturers have been the devil, don’t you know?

Besides, that would mean wingnuts would actually be throwing themselves down in the line of fire to preserve this nation, and that is not their goal as we’ve all been pointedly reminded.

149 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:44:44am

Haha, turns out the person “poisoned” by the flu shot is this fraud, so they’re still shilling this shit on FB. The anti-vaxxers just won’t sleep…

rationalwiki.org

150 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:45:16am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Jesus, arguing with my 23 year old grandson about “some woman in Ohio got seriously ill from a flu shot”. Saw it on FB—“it was a news report someone recorded”.

Christ. What I have to deal with.

Wonder how may die per year from flu that turns into pneumonia?

151 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:45:37am

Morning Lizards. While randomly surfing the the links at CNN, ran across this recipe for Bacon Deviled Eggs. Might have to make a couple of batches of them today. One using the recipe linked to and another using brown mustard v yellow mustard.

152 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:47:12am

Australia police free naked man stuck in washing machine

Because Australia.

153 BusyMonster  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:48:57am

re: #140 The Ghost of a Flea

It doesn’t help that superficially, the business model is “Christians will spend their money here because they like wholesome fun”

Let’s not forget that animatronic gew-gaws were old hat in the 1970’s, and putting a bunch of fake ones out that tell a fictional story that is only axe-grinding, is just fucking not going to be very interesting. I think the dumbasses who run these things are impressed by the museum dioramas they saw in the 1960’s and 70’s and figure they’ll just put up a Potempkin Buildin’ O’ Learnin’ Jezusness to look just like the Actual Museum of Natural History, and dumb kids won’t know the diff.

Except, obviously by the piss-poor financial returns, obviously kids do know better and are not dying to go to the no-fun stern-lecture-place that isn’t a museum.

I work in KY and live in IN. So very glad to see this shitpile idea go down in flames. And humiliation. It’s good to see that even in Kentucky it’s getting harder and harder to play this tired old act.

154 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:49:30am

re: #151 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. While randomly surfing the the links at CNN, ran across this recipe for Bacon Deviled Eggs. Might have to make a couple of batches of them today. One using the recipe linked to and another using brown mustard v yellow mustard.

Finally, CNN is actually useful for a change.

155 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:49:57am

Ted Cruz getting into the mix with whacko NSA BS:

156 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:50:18am

Just read this part of the post:

That hasn’t quite worked out. The Louisville Courier-Journal reported last week that while $26.5 million in bonds have been sold already, the city must sell an additional $29 million by Feb. 6 or else those who already bought bonds will be able to collect on their investment immediately.

That’s going to go over really well. $26.5 million isn’t exactly loose change for a city.

157 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:55:20am

Charles wrote:

After years of treading water, it looks like the long awaited “Ark Encounter” amusement park is about to sink.

Good. Although it will not surprise me if the remaining $23 million is ponied up by some creationist millionaires somewhere.

Then again, I’m sure most creationist millionaires are probably more concerned about return-on-investment than demonstrating Noah’s Triceratops stall design.

158 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:56:41am

Even hackers know there are documents you don’t reveal to the public. Are you paying attention, Glenn and Eddie?

159 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:57:16am

He keeps digging his hole deeper.

Dennis Rodman Sings Happy Birthday To BFF Kim Jong-Un

Youtube Video

160 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 6:59:23am
161 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:00:56am

re: #155 Ryan King

Ted Cruz getting into the mix with whacko NSA BS:

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Fark! I hate it that I like Ted’s tweet!

162 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:02:38am

re: #156 darthstar

What angers me about the whole thing is the 75% tax abatement. You want to build a park like this, fine. Stop begging the government for handouts (which a good chunk of your visitors are probably against in the first place.)

If there was ever a good reason to invoke the Balance Fairy about politicians, the Ark Park is a great example. It was a Democratic governor who’s been supporting this.

However, it’s also a good time to remind everyone of aagcobb’s post from above. For all the WTF concerning KY being in bed with Ken Ham, the Kynect program is proof that the ACA can work; even in a state where a good chunk of the voters probably despise Obama.

163 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:02:56am

Christie in for a mild news day…

164 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:07:02am

Okay…this doesn’t sound so good…

“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputies on Christie’s senior staff, wrote to David Wildstein, a top Christie executive at the Port Authority, on Aug. 13, about three weeks before the closures. Wildstein, the official who ordered the closures and who resigned last month amid the escalating scandal, wrote back: “Got it.”

- See more at: northjersey.com

165 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:08:05am
166 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:09:04am

re: #163 darthstar

You ain’t kidding:

Emails tie top Christie aide to GWB closures

“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” read an email message to the deputy, Bridget Anne Kelly, dated Aug. 13, nearly a month before the Sept. 9-13 closures, which snarled traffic and sparked a scandal that has drawn national attention.

The email was sent by David Wildstein, the former official at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey who gave the direct order to the bridge manager close the lanes. Wildstein sent the 7:34 a.m. email using his personal gmail account, to Kelly’s personal Yahoo account.

Here you go, America: These are the kind of people who your Moderate Conservative Savior hires.

167 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:09:55am

re: #154 Mattand

Finally, CNN is actually useful for a change.

It’s not the greatest news site, but then again it isn’t the worst. Faux News (being worse than CNN) occasionaly has something news worthy and (Ihate to admitt it) their live streaming of PBO’s speaches is a hell of a lot better than CNN’s.

168 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:11:04am

re: #166 Mattand

This will be hard to explain:

In one exchange of text messages on the second day of the lane closures, Wildstein alludes to messages the Fort Lee mayor had left complaining that school buses were having trouble getting through the traffic.

“Is it wrong that I’m smiling,” the recipient of the text message responded to Wildstein. The person’s identity is not clear because the documents are partially redacted for unknown reasons.

“No,” Wildstein wrote in response.

“I feel badly about the kids,” the person replied to Wildstein. “I guess.”

“They are the children of Buono voters,” Wildstein wrote, making a reference to Barbara Buono, the Democratic candidate for governor, who lost to Christie in a landslide in November.
/blockquote>

169 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:12:53am

re: #151 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards. While randomly surfing the the links at CNN, ran across this recipe for Bacon Deviled Eggs. Might have to make a couple of batches of them today. One using the recipe linked to and another using brown mustard v yellow mustard.

Use really hot mustard. You’ll thank me later.

170 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:12:58am

re: #167 Bubblehead II

It’s not the greatest news site, but then again it isn’t the worst. Faux News (being worse than CNN) occasionaly has something news worthy and (Ihate to admitt it) their live streaming of PBO’s speaches is a hell of a lot better than CNN’s.

I still read the front page, but their whole attempt to the Melissa Harris-Perry/Romney dustup into a major news story was pissing me off.

I know the Xmas/New Year’s week is a slow news cycle, but they ran that story at least twice on the front page, as the second largest headline.

Between CNN racing to the bottom and CBS hiring a former Fox guy to run their news division, the Fox-i-fication of journalism is really depressing.

171 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:14:43am

Daily George Takei wins the Internets:

Sub Zero wins…

There’s also spam from Hogwarts, and Morpheus has a warning…

172 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:14:51am

re: #166 Mattand

You ain’t kidding:

Emails tie top Christie aide to GWB closures

Here you go, America: These are the kind of people who your Moderate Conservative Savior hires.

Yeah, I continue to find it hard as fuck to believe that Christie had no idea what his buddy from high school who he personally appointed to the job was up to.

173 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:14:53am

re: #164 darthstar

Okay…this doesn’t sound so good…

- See more at: northjersey.com

Sounds as though Christie can be a vindictive SOB. Yeah, I’ve seen his actual rage before when he was chewing out a teacher, for instance.

“Melissa Tomlinson said she tried to ask the governor why he portrays New Jersey schools as “failure factories.”

Imagine that coming at you.

politickernj.com

174 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:15:34am

re: #170 Mattand

Between CNN racing to the bottom and CBS hiring a former Fox guy to run their news division, the Fox-i-fication of journalism is really depressing.

Which is also why I don’t think the 2014 elections will be easy no matter how much like assholes the GOP behaves. They’ve got Fox, CNN, and now to a certain extent CBS watching their back.

175 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:15:38am

re: #168 darthstar

This will be hard to explain:

Not that I was feeling embarrassed by voting for Buono (Christie’s assertion that he’d discriminate against his own kids if they were gay cemented my decision), but this unfortunately completely justifies my decision.

176 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:16:13am

re: #172 Targetpractice

Yeah, I continue to find it hard as fuck to believe that Christie had no idea what his buddy from high school who he personally appointed to the job was up to.

“…buddy from high school…”

So Sarah Palin-ish.

177 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:16:24am
178 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:16:53am

re: #169 darthstar

Use really hot mustard. You’ll thank me later.

I was thing about using Gouldins Spicey Brown Mustard.

179 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:17:15am
180 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:20:15am

re: #172 Targetpractice

Yeah, I continue to find it hard as fuck to believe that Christie had no idea what his buddy from high school who he personally appointed to the job was up to.

I’m fairly confident he didn’t know or specifically order it, or know the details of what happened. At least for now, at any rate. I’m sure there was probably a conversation that centered along the lines of “Does that fuck who runs Fort Lee know who he’s dealing with?”

I cannot state how embarrassed I am that my fellow Jerseyites voted for this guy twice, and how much hero worship is attached to him around here. The rest of the country fucking despises us; this kind of crap only cements that hatred.

181 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:21:41am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

I was thing about using Gouldins Spicey Brown Mustard.

My sons won’t let me screw with my original deviled egg recipe. It keeps them coming for dinner on holidays (about the only time I make so many).

I’ve tried to tweak it, but nooooooo.

ETA: Only use mayo and yellow mustard and a little black pepper, top w/paprika. Other mustards cannot be used and don’t try topping them with an olive, caper or anything else.

182 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:21:53am

Fox is all over this Christie Bridge story.

Ha ha ha, yah right. Nowhere to be found on their site.

183 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:22:22am

re: #170 Mattand

Not particulary thrilled with any of the major news outlets. As you pointed out, they are all in a race to the bottom. I generally try to find the source of one of their stories from a local news organization if possible. They tend to be more down to earth about what really happened.

184 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:22:35am

Welp.

185 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:23:02am

re: #178 Bubblehead II

I was thing about using Gouldins Spicey Brown Mustard.

That’ll work. But I was thinking something along the lines of this. (BTW, I mix this mustard, which is fucking hot, with brown sugar and coat a ham with it before roasting…heavenly.)

olivenation.com

186 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:23:40am

re: #182 Ryan King

Fox is all over this Christie Bridge story.

Ha ha ha, yah right. Nowhere to be found on their site.

Not on NBC and CBS either at the moment. This really is breaking now.

187 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:24:25am

re: #180 Mattand

I’m fairly confident didn’t know or specifically order it, or know the details of what happened. At least for now, at any rate. I’m sure there was probably a conversation that centered along the lines of “Does that fuck who runs Fort Lee know who he’s dealing with?”

I cannot state how embarrassed I am that my fellow Jerseyites voted for this guy twice, and how much hero worship is attached to him around here. The rest of the country fucking despises us; this kind of crap only cements that hatred.

I’m not sure that he had direct knowledge, but I sincerely doubt he was totally in the dark. Best case scenario for Christie is that those involved in his office kept him totally in the dark, but even in that case he looks like a fucking idiot for hiring people who were carrying out shit like this under his nose. Too easy to ask what sort of shit would happen without his knowledge if he were elected to the presidency. We don’t need another Iran-Contra.

188 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:25:33am

re: #182 Ryan King

Fox is all over this Christie Bridge story.

Ha ha ha, yah right. Nowhere to be found on their site.

They’ll cover it. They have to create that veneer that they’re an actual news outfit.

Much like they’re “Obamacare doesn’t cover newborns” coverage, however, they’ll gloss over the pertinent facts and then spend 5 paragraphs bashing Democrats.

189 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:26:09am

re: #187 Targetpractice

I’m not sure that he had direct knowledge, but I sincerely doubt he was totally in the dark. Best case scenario for Christie is that those involved in his office kept him totally in the dark, but even in that case he looks like a fucking idiot for hiring people who were carrying out shit like this under his nose. Too easy to ask what sort of shit would happen without his knowledge if her were elected to the presidency. We don’t need another Iran-Contra.

I would guess it’s something like this….

“what’s going on with those bastards in Fort Lee?”

“Don’t worry, we’ve got plans for them”

“Alright then, who’s next?”

fill in the appropriate names and motives…..

190 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:27:30am

re: #188 Mattand

They’ll cover it. They have to create that veneer that they’re an actual news outfit.

Much like they’re “Obamacare doesn’t cover newborns” coverage, however, they’ll gloss over the pertinent facts and then spend 5 paragraphs bashing Democrats.

something like… If those Dems in the Fort Lee area had worked with Gov. Christie, perhaps they could have planned for their bridge renovations to be done prior to day that school started…..

191 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:27:55am

I’m in the process of paging the Christie-GWB lane closure flap…

192 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:29:12am

re: #166 Mattand

You ain’t kidding:

Emails tie top Christie aide to GWB closures

Here you go, America: These are the kind of people who your Moderate Conservative Savior hires.

IMPEEAAECH!

193 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:29:43am
194 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:30:20am

re: #189 piratedan

I would guess it’s something like this….

“what’s going on with those bastards in Fort Lee?”

“Don’t worry, we’ve got plans for them”

“Alright then, who’s next?”

fill in the appropriate names and motives…..

“Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?!”

195 kerFuFFler  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:31:51am

Given that the GOP is considering campaigning on the issue of creationism, I would not be surprised if some wealthy conservative backers like the Koch brothers chipped in the necessary funding. After all, $29 million is pretty much pocket change to them….

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:02am
197 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:15am

He got some splainin to do.

198 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:46am

Republicans really are idiots. Dan Coats (R-IN) on his voting w/Dems to proceed on UI vote.

“There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit,” Coats said. “Here’s one that is just a no-brainer. Look, in order to get Social Security disability payments, you have to prove that you are unable to work. In order to get unemployment benefits, you have to prove you are able to work. We know that many, many people are getting checks for both. … Eliminating that alone creates more than $27 billion of savings. This bill is $6 billion, so that’s a great place to start.” (my emphasis)

Really? Mr. Coats, do you have the correct statistics, the facts, for that statement?

Read more: politico.com

199 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:47am

re: #191 lawhawk

I’m in the process of paging the Christie-GWB lane closure flap…

Looking forward to that. I’ll be interesting to know how those ‘traffic studies’ are coming along and what the results are.

200 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:53am

“Wasn’t me. I had nothing to do with my aide’s actions. Go fuck yourself. Next question.”
— Governor Christie

201 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:32:56am

Got another report from my operative in the security industry, now working a Walmart contract. A recent shift involved 3 fights with 2 people injured (including a loss control agent), a 300 pound female shoplifter running topless out of the store, 8 arrests, and 5 children of the assorted miscreants turned over to CPS. This was in 8 hours and is not unusual at all.

202 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:33:39am

OOPS!

Police: Powerful blast rocks pot grow in S. Seattle apartment

SEATTLE - A powerful explosion rocked a South Seattle building on Tuesday afternoon, blowing out windows and cabinets and moving the building off its foundation, officials said.

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:34:12am

re: #195 kerFuFFler

Given that the GOP is considering campaigning on the issue of creationism, I would not be surprised if some wealthy conservative backers like the Koch brothers chipped in the necessary funding. After all, $29 million is pretty much pocket change to them….

Yea. But that’s 29 million just to get them to break ground on the project. Are they then willing to continue pouring money into it with no real expectation of ever getting a penny back? And against the prospect of the headlines if the place is built and then closes down due to being unprofitable after a year or two?

204 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:34:19am

Fox News contributor Ben Carson: Marijuana causes flashbacks years after use

Conservatism is the Titanic. More Americans support gay marriage and legalized pot, and we elected a Black Democrat as President….TWICE. Simply because America is turning slightly more progressive, the backlash from the RWNJs is pure freudenschade.

205 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:35:03am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Fox News contributor Ben Carson: Marijuana causes flashbacks years after use

I wish.

206 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:37:59am

re: #200 Gus

“Wasn’t me. I had nothing to do with my aide’s actions. Go fuck yourself. Next question.”
— Governor Christie

Since it tends to be his answer to most questions, Christie could shorten his press conferences to mere seconds by saying “Go fuck yourself” to reporters.

207 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:38:29am

Everything you need to know about Chris Christie is encapsulated in his body language.

A big guy who has no issue using his bulk and his loudness to intimidate people smaller than him. You get inside someone else’s personal space while raising your voice and gesturing at them, you’re not just angry you’re being aggressive.

I don’t care what his opinions are. I don’t care what was said that he felt he had to respond to. That shit is not okay. Not in a public interaction with a stranger, not even in an intimate situation.

It’s using the physical cues that you’re about to get violent to win the argument. It’s bullying,,,all the moreso because it’s a man in power using physical intimidation, and his those he’s haranguing are stymied by the security around him. He’s going through the motions of picking a fight—a physical fight—with the knowledge that the other party has to stand and take it.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:38:42am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Fox News contributor Ben Carson: Marijuana causes flashbacks years after use

Conservatism is the Titanic. More Americans support gay marriage and legalized pot, and we elected a Black Democrat as President….TWICE. Simply because America turning slightly more progressive, the backlash from the RWNJs is pure freudenschade.

Just convince the conservatives that if they do enough pot they will get an extended flashback to the 1950s or even the 1850s.
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209 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:38:54am

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are spamming this stupid graphic, in defense of Teh Waltons & their CEO getting to keep all their billions.
How many mistakes can you find in it?
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When they say ‘2,000,000 employees’, do they mean just within the US or in all North America?

210 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:39:07am

The right wing in a nutshell:

211 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:39:13am

So-called “flashbacks” vs. the laundry list of psychological and physiological impairments caused by drinking. Where’s the “outrage”?

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:40:22am
213 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:41:05am
214 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:41:16am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

Fox News contributor Ben Carson: Marijuana causes flashbacks years after use

Conservatism is the Titanic. More Americans support gay marriage and legalized pot, and we elected a Black Democrat as President….TWICE. Simply because America turning slightly more progressive, the backlash from the RWNJs is pure freudenschade.

Hmmm…. Those “flashbacks” just might explain my sudden urge to eat a bag of Doritos on occasion.

215 kerFuFFler  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:42:08am

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea. But that’s 29 million just to get them to break ground on the project. Are they then willing to continue pouring money into it with no real expectation of ever getting a penny back? And against the prospect of the headlines if the place is built and then closes down due to being unprofitable after a year or two?

But look how much they donate to political campaigns not to mention their other misinformation activities. This would just be one more. They never get their investment back directly from donating to politicians———but they end up with whopping returns if you count the money they save after their tax policies and exemptions are made law. If contributing to the Ark helps conservatives get elected next cycle, I imagine the Koch brothers and their ilk would be fine losing the $29 million up front.

216 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:42:15am

re: #198 Justanotherhuman

Republicans really are idiots. Dan Coats (R-IN) on his voting w/Dems to proceed on UI vote.

“There’s a lot of low-hanging fruit,” Coats said. “Here’s one that is just a no-brainer. Look, in order to get Social Security disability payments, you have to prove that you are unable to work. In order to get unemployment benefits, you have to prove you are able to work. We know that many, many people are getting checks for both. … Eliminating that alone creates more than $27 billion of savings. This bill is $6 billion, so that’s a great place to start.” (my emphasis)

Really? Mr. Coats, do you have the correct statistics, the facts, for that statement?

Read more: politico.com

That’s just what he said to reporters. He really voted to move the bill forward in order to keep its failure from being hung around his neck and to shift the debate on the measure to the House.

217 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:42:56am

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

Everything you need to know about Chris Christie is encapsulated in his body language.

A big guy who has no issue using his bulk and his loudness to intimidate people smaller than him. You get inside someone else’s personal space while raising your voice and gesturing at them, you’re not just angry you’re being aggressive.

I don’t care what his opinions are. I don’t care what was said that he felt he had to respond to. That shit is not okay. Not in a public interaction with a stranger, not even in an intimate situation.

It’s using the physical cues that you’re about to get violent to win the argument. It’s bullying,,,all the moreso because it’s a man in power using physical intimidation, and his those he’s haranguing are stymied by the security around him. He’s going through the motions of picking a fight—a physical fight—with the knowledge that the other party has to stand and take it.

This.

I wish I could find that video of Christie using state troopers to essentially threaten a guy who asked him a tough question at a town hall.

Think about it: when pressed with an uncomfortable question, Christie used armed police to drag a guy on stage, yell at him, and kick him out of the building.

Can you imagine if Obama did something like that?

This is why I get so nuts with the nationwide Christie worship. I’d like to think as Americans, we would expect better of elected officials.

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:43:51am

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

Everything you need to know about Chris Christie is encapsulated in his body language.

A big guy who has no issue using his bulk and his loudness to intimidate people smaller than him. You get inside someone else’s personal space while raising your voice and gesturing at them, you’re not just angry you’re being aggressive.

I don’t care what his opinions are. I don’t care what was said that he felt he had to respond to. That shit is not okay. Not in a public interaction with a stranger, not even in an intimate situation.

It’s using the physical cues that you’re about to get violent to win the argument. It’s bullying,,,all the moreso because it’s a man in power using physical intimidation, and his those he’s haranguing are stymied by the security around him. He’s going through the motions of picking a fight—a physical fight—with the knowledge that the other party has to stand and take it.

Had a co-worker for years with that sort of body language. Was unsure if he was aware or not that his approach to discussion/disagreement was exactly that style - crowd physical space and raise volume. Which was one reason 2-3 of us messed with him constantly - to see him start blustering over something trivial while we essentially laughed in his face.

219 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:44:07am

I can hear the feeble gears spinning.

220 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:45:00am

re: #166 Mattand

You ain’t kidding:

Emails tie top Christie aide to GWB closures
The email was sent by David Wildstein, the former official at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey who gave the direct order to the bridge manager close the lanes. Wildstein sent the 7:34 a.m. email using his personal gmail account, to Kelly’s personal Yahoo account.

Here you go, America: These are the kind of people who your Moderate Conservative Savior hires.

That’s the part that is really going to come back and bite them. Using private emails is NOT the way to get around whatever sunshine or open accountability laws that are in place. (as a number of TN. politicians have learned)

RBS

221 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:45:04am

Posted my page on the GWB traffic flap. It’s possible that charges against those involved could include those top staffers mentioned in the Record’s article.

Mind you, it took FOIAs by the Record to get even to this point. Far from it being a traffic study, it was a political vendetta against the Fort Lee mayor for not endorsing the Governor across party lines in a reelection the governor was going to win easily.

There was no traffic study. It was all designed to cause as much grief in Fort Lee.

And I’m saying this as someone who voted for Christie. He personally did well in the Sandy aftermath excluding the NJ Transit rail fleet flooding flap, but this action has parallels to the NJ Transit mess. He’s let his underlings/staffers get off without so much as a slap on the wrist for engaging in actions that put state assets at risk (in the NJT instance) and lives at risk (in GWB lane closures).

He’s got to fire those involved and allow the AG or federal prosecutors to investigate this fully. You can’t engage in a political vendetta like this, where lives can be put at risk - and Fort Lee documented how police, fire and EMS were unable to respond quickly due to the traffic jams that blocked most of the city as a result of the lane closures to the bridge.

222 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:45:33am

re: #219 Ryan King

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I can hear the feeble gears spinning.

It helps if one remembers that these jackholes are the same folks who sneer at “Chicago-style politics” and accuse the President of being into all sorts of shady deals because “That’s how they do things there.”

223 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:46:11am

re: #206 Mattand

Since it tends to be his answer to most questions, Christie could shorten his press conferences to mere seconds by saying “Go fuck yourself” to reporters.

Bridgeghazi!

224 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:46:15am

re: #219 Ryan King

If #BridgeGate tells us anything, it’s that Dems are terrified of @GovChristie & have nothing on him. @MichaelBlum3

— Krystle (@TarheelKrystle) January 8, 2014.

hahaha. This is coming from the party of the non-scandals of Benghazi, IRS, birth certificates, and vacations.

225 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:49:33am

re: #223 b.d.

Bridgeghazi!

Someone needs to make a #Bridgeghazi ribbon

226 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:50:06am

re: #222 Targetpractice

It helps if one remembers that these jackholes are the same folks who sneer at “Chicago-style politics” and accuse the President of being into all sorts of shady deals because “That’s how they do things there.”

I’m on that:

227 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:50:53am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

When they say ‘2,000,000 employees’, do they mean just within the US or in all North America?

Not clear. And the number is more like 1.3 million. See my 79.

228 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:51:33am

New Jersey.

229 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:52:34am

re: #222 Targetpractice

It helps if one remembers that these jackholes are the same folks who sneer at “Chicago-style politics” and accuse the President of being into all sorts of shady deals because “That’s how they do things there.”

Shady deals are indeed frequent in Chicago. What wingnuts don’t care about is that the Chicago Tribune did look into Barack Obama tenure in Chicago, as did National Review’s Stanley Kurtz. And though Kurtz concluded that Obama is a socialist based on what he found, like the Tribune he found no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing by Barack Obama.

230 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:53:19am

This political cancer has metastasized pretty significantly.

Christie will need to cut a lot out fast to have a chance.

231 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:53:30am

I’d go with #GWBVendetta personally. That’s what it was. A political vendetta carried out by Christie’s political team (both in Trenton and coordinated with the Port Authority).

Here’s the thing, though. Baroni, who was Christie’s top pick, was seen as competent in handling the rebuilding at WTC of late, and work has progressed on other major projects.

All that competence goes out the window when you bring a political vendetta against a local mayor who refuses to cross party lines to give an endorsement in an election that wasn’t close.

That’s just nuts. But it also gives insight into what Christie’s political team was looking to do - they wanted to goose the numbers to make the inevitable outcome of a landslide even larger, to get people outside the state to take a possible candidacy even more seriously.

232 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:53:32am

re: #228 Gus

New Jersey.

Bruce Springsteen.

233 The War TARDIS  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:53:39am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

You do realize that this post here is barking insane.

234 The War TARDIS  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:54:51am

Not only that, but theis anit-Socialist Hysteria is getting insane. Everyone needs to take a chill pill, and look at how well Scandinavia (save Iceland) is doing.

235 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:55:00am

How bout some good old fashioned Balance Fairy Chum?

236 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:55:32am

If someone died because of the traffic jam?

237 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:56:46am

re: #235 Ryan King

How bout some good old fashioned Balance Fairy Chum?

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It’s a valid question, what are the chances Republicans will see this as a bad thing? Of course, wingnuts will probably keep it in their back pocket for next year, since they see him as their biggest threat and want whatever they can get to use against him.

238 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:56:58am

Authorities should investigate to see if there are other instances.

239 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:57:21am

Post by Dino Cazza at TPM’s article about the GWB closure:

When does Christie start screaming at a teacher to revive his popularity?

240 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:58:08am

Remember though, both sides do it.

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241 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:58:27am

re: #238 Amory Blaine

Authorities should investigate to see if there are other instances.

That should be the focus of NJ Democrats now, calling for wider investigations to see if the rot in his office has spread elsewhere. If he truly was in the dark about this, what else has he allowed to go on by not keeping track of what his appointees have been doing with the authority he granted them?

242 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:58:57am

The cavalier way it went about seems to indicate a comfort level with this kind of activity.

243 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:59:34am

re: #237 Targetpractice

It’s a valid question, what are the chances Republicans will see this as a bad thing? Of course, wingnuts will probably keep it in their back pocket for next year, since they see him as their biggest threat and want whatever they can get to use against him.

Absolutely, it’s a cutting rhetorical comment from a seasoned quipster.

I was throwing a little tweak to KT just for funsies.

244 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:59:41am

Timeline of the events surrounding the GWB lane closures, starting with the emails originating from Christie’s top aide Bridget Kelly to David Wildstein at the PANYNJ.

Of note, the actions immediately after September 9 (the date that the closures began):

Two local access lanes from Fort Lee to the George Washington Bridge are closed snarling traffic on the first day of school. Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich calls the office of Bill Baroni, the deputy executive director of the Port Authority who was appointed by Christie. Baroni’s special assistant Matthew Bell sends him an email stating in the subject line that Sokolich called with an “urgent matter of public safety in Fort Lee” and includes a phone number where the mayor can be reached.

Baroni sent the email to Wildstein who forwarded it to Kelly, copies obtained by The Record show. Kelly then responded, asking if Baroni called Sokolich. Wildstein replied, “Radio silence. His name comes right after Mayor Fulop.” Kelly responded “Ty,” an abbreviation for thank you.

Wildstein is referring to Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop. Fulop told The Record on Monday that Christie’s political team approached him about endorsing the governor and after he declined, meetings he had scheduled with 10 state officials were abruptly cancelled. Christie secured the backing of 61 elected Democrats, that bipartisan support coupled with his landslide Election Day victory has catapulted him into the national spotlight as a potential GOP presidential nominee.

Fulop’s allegations come after several people have questioned whether the George Washington Bridge lane closures were political retribution against Sokolich, who also did not endorse Christie. Sokolich has declined to comment about whether he was asked to support the governor.

245 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:59:51am

I read someone make the comment along the lines that a President Christie would make Nixon’s enemies list look amateur in comparison. This whole bullshit does nothing to disabuse me of that notion.

246 The War TARDIS  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:00:17am

re: #235 Ryan King

I’m reading that differently.

Essentially, he is saying this behavior won’t hurt him among Republicans.

He is write. Conservatism now is all about Bullying minorities and the disadvantaged.

Like this jackass:

“The Triple Package”, a book written by Amy Chua, describes American Jews, Chinese Americans, Cuban Americans, Indian Americans, Iranian Americans, Lebanese Americans, Mormons, and Nigerian Americans as the most successful ethnic groups in the United States causing controversy.

Nevermind that Mormons have at one time in history been at war with the US, and continue to mistreat various minorities through behavior and scripture (eg. Scripture on African Americans and Native Americans).

Also, this book is so racist, it is unbelievable.

247 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:00:52am

re: #233 The War TARDIS

You do realize that this post here is barking insane.

How so? I said that two right-of-center publications examined Obama’s record and neither could find evidence that he’d done the sort of things wingnuts accuse him of. One of those publications’ staff member made a judgement about the president’s political beliefs in the process, but still concluded he is not crooked.

That’s not insane.

248 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:02:34am

Can’t follow Shoq any more. Every third or fourth tweet is a fat joke about Christie.

249 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:03:28am

Meanwhile, we’ve got moving goalposts on the polar vortex:


First, it was Rush and others claiming that polar vortex was a made up term just for this cold snap. Roker disproves that notion, with visual proof from the 1950s meteorological papers.

Now, this person is claiming that the polar vortex only occurs in Antarctica?

Try again.

250 The War TARDIS  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:04:30am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

The part that he is a socialist.

He is not. I say this as someone who is a Social Democrat. Which is the very light end of Socialism.

I am a Socialist, and I can say that Obama is not.

251 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:04:44am

Dumb Firebagger spill in aisle 12.

252 The War TARDIS  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:05:08am

re: #251 Gus

???

253 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:06:03am

re: #252 The War TARDIS

???

254 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:07:04am

re: #253 Gus

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Calling Poe on this. Has to be. No fucking way this is serious.

E: Forsooth, I’ve been trolled. Much aggriev’d am I!

255 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:08:20am


Yeah, the GOP is watching Christie’s aides burying his 2016 hopes in the Pine Barrens.

256 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:08:47am

re: #252 The War TARDIS

???

“Firebaggers” are inane people on the far left. So called because they often post at the “firedoglake” site. Gus wasn’t referring to you.

257 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:09:18am
258 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:10:25am

re: #253 Gus

I think it’s a SarcTweeter. Hard to tell sometimes.

259 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:12:37am

re: #258 Ryan King

I think it’s a SarcTweeter. Hard to tell sometimes.

No. There’s this school of thought on Twitter that liberals hearting Christie helped him get re-elected. That includes Obama because of the Sandy photo-ops and then some. They wanted us to keep quiet and say nothing nice about Christie. Ergo, “all of you being so nice to Christie is what got him re-elected and entrenched his political power.” Of course, New Jersey wasn’t paying attention to some drunk blogger and Twitter.

260 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:13:26am
261 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:14:27am

re: #258 Ryan King

I think it’s a SarcTweeter. Hard to tell sometimes.

There’s a link to her site. Drunk tweeting? Although she’s probably gone full libertarian by now.

262 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:14:57am

re: #260 lawhawk

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Nuh uh! Because… um….

Um…

ZOMG, LOOK OVER THERE! TWO DUDES KISSING! EWWWWWW!

E: Because this is a family site I won’t mention the furtive masturbation that no doubt occurs while they look on “horrified” at the dudes kissing eachother.

E2: Wait, shit…

263 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:16:36am

re: #260 lawhawk

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I’m waiting now for the excuse-making to begin. “So it was a little traffic. It’s not like anybody was killed!”

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:17:20am

re: #263 Targetpractice

I’m waiting now for the excuse-making to begin. “So it was a little traffic. It’s not like anybody was killed!”

“Nice traffic system youze got here. Pity if something were to happen to it.”

265 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:18:53am

re: #263 Targetpractice

I’m waiting now for the excuse-making to begin. “So it was a little traffic. It’s not like anybody was killed!”

They went there already. I’ll not pollute this blog with any of it.

266 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:19:21am

re: #260 lawhawk

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Also note that Cooke writes for National Review, so he’s not some gloating liberal.


Shameless Self-Promotion: I’ve got a recent Page on one of his articles.

267 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:19:43am
268 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:20:51am

Can people stay focused? Christ Christie is not Rahm Emmanuel.

269 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:21:30am

COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THIS WAS _________________ INSTEAD OF GOVERNOR CHRISTIE!

270 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:22:18am

here’s the TRMS take…

msnbc.com

271 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:22:33am

re: #269 Gus

Mr. Magoo

272 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:23:52am

re: #269 Gus

COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THIS WAS _________________ INSTEAD OF GOVERNOR CHRISTIE!

Humongous

273 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:24:58am

“Come on you guys. Just try and imagine Chris Christie as a Chicago Democrat instead of the New Jersey Republican he really is.”

That’s, weird.

274 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:25:31am

It’s sort of like a No True Scotsman thought experiment.

275 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:25:45am

re: #271 Amory Blaine

Mr. Magoo

Magoo would have bumped into the traffic barriers, gone around them, then walked off the George Washington Bridge only to land safely on a passing boat. :)

276 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:27:29am

What’s his official reaction going to be?

277 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:28:18am

re: #274 Gus

It’s sort of like a No True Scotsman thought experiment.

That might cause wingnuts to turn on him here:

Of course he’s corrupt!!1 He’s a RINO from a scummy liberal blue state!!!1 Only pure red state conservatives can be trusted to lead America!!!11

278 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:28:29am

re: #276 Amory Blaine

What’s his official reaction going to be?

Yell at a bunch of teachers.

279 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:28:29am

He’ll blame the aide. Plausible deniability. “I had nothing to do with this. I’ve fired said aide and recommended this to the NJ AG. Next question please.”

280 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:28:55am

re: #278 Ryan King

Yell at a bunch of teachers.

Crack cocaine! Oops, that’s Rob Ford.

281 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:29:47am

re: #279 Gus

Yep he’ll get the vapors.

282 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:30:08am

re: #276 Amory Blaine

I’m just guessing here, but he’s going to let those named in the emails resign (Wildstein and Baroni are already “resigned”). Would be nice to see them fired, but that doesn’t appear to be Gov. Christie’s style in handling this kind of thing.

Note too that Christie never held anyone at NJ Transit accountable when they let the rail fleet get flooded out.

283 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:31:31am

re: #281 Amory Blaine

Yep he’ll get the vapors.

Speak in tongues. /wait that’s Mayor Ford again

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight /that’s Mayor Ford again.

Booze and do drugs /there’s that Mayor Ford again!

284 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:32:09am

“How dare you imply I would put school children in harms way!! I’ll eat your soul!!”

285 Ryan King  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:32:12am

Maybe he should hire Rob Ford as a consultant.

286 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:32:35am

re: #281 Amory Blaine

Yep he’ll get the vapors.

“How DARE you ask me this question! Look, look! I’m not going to respond to a bunch of rumors going around on social media. Don’t you EVER, EVER come to one of MY press conferences again asking me STUPID questions. Next question please.”

287 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:32:38am

re: #276 Amory Blaine

What’s his official reaction going to be?

Order his aides to commit seppuku, then eat their hearts for dinner. Hearts to be barbequed and eaten with beer and mashed potatoes and corn. (Chianti and fava beans are for Eurotrash.)

/////////////////////////////////////////////////

288 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:33:06am

re: #282 lawhawk

I’m just guessing here, but he’s going to let those named in the emails resign (Wildstein and Baroni are already “resigned”). Would be nice to see them fired, but that doesn’t appear to be Gov. Christie’s style in handling this kind of thing.

Note too that Christie never held anyone at NJ Transit accountable when they let the rail fleet get flooded out.

I imagine those named in the emails will have their resignations on his desk by week’s end, which he’ll quickly accept and say that’s that, those “responsible” have been let go and there’s no real reason to keep wasting taxpayer time and money on an investigation that’s reached its “conclusion.”

289 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:34:07am

re: #283 lawhawk

Speak in tongues. /wait that’s Mayor Ford again

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight /that’s Mayor Ford again.

Booze and do drugs /there’s that Mayor Ford again!

The bolded was Jack Nicholson, and don’t you forget it!

/kidding

290 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:34:32am

Greenwald shills fellow narcissist Robert Gates’ book.


It’s all the fault of video games!

291 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:35:08am

re: #281 Amory Blaine

Yep he’ll get the vapors.

There’s always road rage on the NJ Turnpike. :D

292 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:38:37am

Or…

FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU!
— Gov. Christie

:D

//

293 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:38:56am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald shills fellow narcissist Robert Gates’ book.

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It’s all the fault of video games!

Still, using Gates to make his argument is a good bit smarter than we normally see from Glenn Greenwald.

294 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:45:58am
295 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:46:51am

Guy claimed he was going to jump off a bridge. With all that money? Right.

‘Dead’ banker to remain in jail

ajc.com

“Price is accused of bank fraud involving the failed Montgomery Bank & Trust in tiny Ailey, Ga., 170 miles southeast of downtown Atlanta. He is also accused of defrauding clients in his investment advisory business of many millions of dollars more. Price is separately under indictment in New York on a federal wire fraud charge.

“Price, who was missing for 18 months after suggesting he was going to kill himself by jumping off a South Florida ferry boat, was captured on New Year’s Eve near Brunswick. Federal authorities are also trying to determine if Price is also involved in a marijuana grow house in rural Florida.”

Got them “Statesboro Blues”, no doubt.

296 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:47:44am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

“war has become a kind of videogame or action movie: bloodless, painless and odorless”

Shorter Greenwald thought process: DRONEZ!

Although there IS a point there by Gates. The warmongers in DC think the answer to everything is boots on the ground. They never stop to consider the costs of that because for them, war isn’t real. They don’t have to fight it.

297 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:55:23am

Because war was always hard for America to get into.

298 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:55:50am

re: #296 Lidane

Shorter Greenwald thought process: DRONEZ!

Although there IS a point there by Gates. The warmongers in DC think the answer to everything is boots on the ground. They never stop to consider the costs of that because for them, war isn’t real. They don’t have to fight it.

That’s not the whole of it. War not being ‘real’ can work the other way, too, as with the missile strikes Bill Clinton ordered to “send a message” after the 1998 embassy bombing. The missiles fired at Sudan mostly succeeded in destroying what was later found to be a pharmaceutical plant that produced aspirin among other things.

George W. Bush memorably skewered the missile strikes on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, saying “If I go to war, I’m not gonna use a $3 million dollar missile to blow up an empty $10 tent and hit a camel in the butt.”

299 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:55:58am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

Greenwald shills fellow narcissist Robert Gates’ book.

[Embedded content]

It’s all the fault of video games!

Yeah, we should go back to the good old days of massive numbers of boots on the ground and Arc Light carpet bombing.

300 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:57:23am

re: #296 Lidane

Shorter Greenwald thought process: DRONEZ!

Although there IS a point there by Gates. The warmongers in DC think the answer to everything is boots on the ground. They never stop to consider the costs of that because for them, war isn’t real. They don’t have to fight it.

It’s really a mixed bag by Gates himself who had his own doubts about both Iraq, Afghanistan, and the civilians who were calling the shots vs The Pentagon. Second-guessing them at this stage of the game isn’t helping. Having said that, I’ve always thought that the invasion of Iraq was a huge blunder by the NeoCons running the Bush admin.

Barack Obama didn’t believe his own war strategy, says Ex-US defence secretary Robert Gates

Read more at:
economictimes.indiatimes.com

301 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:57:54am

Because the USG was really concerned about a bloodless and painless war back in the good old days. OK, lets bomb Hanoi into submission with several squadrons of F-105 Thunderchiefs. Have the Navy send in the Intruders and Vigilantes first. Awesome!

302 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:58:47am

Heck. I used to have briefcase full of air war stuff in junior high. It wasn’t video games but it sure was awesome.

303 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:59:06am
304 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:59:29am

re: #297 Gus

Because war was always hard for America to get into.

Fair point. But these days things have changed so much with technology that a lot of people are divorced from the reality of war. And it’s not just one side or the other. Both sides have their hawks and idiots when it comes to military action.

305 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:59:35am

Reminds me of people trying to blame videogames for the mass shootings.

306 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:00:49am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

That’s not the whole of it. War not being ‘real’ can work the other way, too

I never said that a particular party had a monopoly on war hawks.

307 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:01:25am

re: #304 Lidane

Fair point. But these days things have changed so much with technology that a lot of people are divorced from the reality of war. And it’s not just one side or the other. Both sides have their hawks and idiots when it comes to military action.

Gates wanted to start a bombing campaign in Nicaragua. Instead of drones we supported Operation Condor. Pinochet. Dozens of military dictatorships. Death squads. You name it. Now, it’s just a couple of drones here and there. Things are a lot better.

308 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:04:08am

And he worked for Reagan. Care for a death squad? Sugar or milk?

309 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:04:33am

re: #305 Gus

Reminds me of people trying to blame videogames for the mass shootings.

I think it’s more than that. It’s more like saying that people in DC are isolated from the realities of their policies. They don’t see the real impact because they’re not the ones on the ground fighting or the ones being affected by missile or drone strikes, It just all looks like a movie when you see it on the news.

310 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:07:42am

re: #309 Lidane

I think it’s more than that. It’s more like saying that people in DC are isolated from the realities of their policies. They don’t see the real impact because they’re not the ones on the ground fighting or the ones being affected by missile or drone strikes, It just all looks like a movie when you see it on the news.

America has been at war in some corner of the globe not soon after the founding of this nation.

311 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:10:33am
312 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:14:46am

re: #304 Lidane

Fair point. But these days things have changed so much with technology that a lot of people are divorced from the reality of war. And it’s not just one side or the other. Both sides have their hawks and idiots when it comes to military action.

But is it really just a matter of tech?

It seems to me like our divorce from war comes just as much from how we perceive our opponents. Wars are things we get involved in in far-off places, with people who aren’t like us and are basically inscrutable (and also…not white), and it’s assumed that whatever the local conflict is, the US are the moral/rational actors while the locals are all incompetent or corrupt. There also some deeply unfortunate triumphalism about how much more powerful we are than our opponents, which by its nature erases the mortal struggles of individual soldiers and the suffering of the civilians in the war zone.

But emphasis on the war happens elsewhere part.

313 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:22:14am

re: #310 Gus

America has been at war in some corner of the globe not soon after the founding of this nation.

Yes. And these days, it’s a whole lot easier to think of war as something that happens elsewhere and to someone else, or that it’s no big deal. It becomes news reel footage that looks like a movie or game, so perceptions get skewed.

314 Joanne  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:53:12am

re: #90 Eventual Carrion

Weather Channel is slapping Rushbo (and all the other deniers) about the Polar Vortex. Showing how the heating is disrupting it and causing this situation.

Joe Scarborough said that the term Polar Vortex was made up and I thought my husband was going to have a stoke. I don’t think I have ever seen him yell at the television.

315 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:57:24am

re: #255 lawhawk

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Yeah, the GOP is watching Christie’s aides burying his 2016 hopes in the Pine Barrens.

I’d be willing to bet that the ‘unidentified person’ sending those texts in that conversation is the governor himself.

316 Joanne  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:02:25am

re: #155 Ryan King

Ted Cruz getting into the mix with whacko NSA BS:

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317 Joanne  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:06:17am

re: #167 Bubblehead II

It’s not the greatest news site, but then again it isn’t the worst. Faux News (being worse than CNN) occasionaly has something news worthy and (Ihate to admitt it) their live streaming of PBO’s speaches is a hell of a lot better than CNN’s.

Fox isn’t news so it’s hard to put them in that category. I can haz (fill in your favorite flavor) is better at news than Fox. CNN is just embarrassingly wrong for what is supposed to be news. When I get CNN Alerts, I always look for another news organization to confirm it. And when that happens….

318 Vietnamvet  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:41:01pm

Perhaps in hard times an amusement park isn’t as important as they thought it was. Wouldn’t it be a better use of money to create housing/shelter/food programs for the homeless/hungry? I’m tired of both the progressives and the conservatives trying to shove their agenda/belief system down our throats.

319 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:42:13pm

re: #318 Vietnamvet

Welcome, hatchling.


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