Gov. Christie’s Political Problems Just Grew To GWB Traffic Jam Sized Proportions

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After months of denying that he or his staff had anything to do with the George Washington Bridge lane closures that caused massive traffic jams in Fort Lee and caused a public safety mess for the city or that the lane closures were politically motivated, new emails and text messages that were sought by The Record reveal that there were, in fact, political motivations involved.

The messages are replete with references and insults to Fort Lee’s mayor, who had failed to endorse Christie for re-election and they chronicle how they tried to reach Port Authority officials in a vain effort to eliminate the paralyzing gridlock that overwhelmed his town of 35,000 which sits in the shadow of the bridge, the world’s busiest.

The documents obtained by The Record raise serious doubts about months of claims by the Christie administration that the September closures of local access lanes to the George Washington Bridge were part of a traffic study initiated solely by the Port Authority. Instead, they show that one of the governor’s top aides was deeply involved in the decision to choke off the borough’s access to the bridge, and they provide the strongest indication yet that it was part of a politically-motivated vendetta—a notion that Christie has publicly denied.

“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputies on Christie’s senior staff, wrote to David Wildstein, a top Christie executive at the Port Authority, on Aug. 13, about three weeks before the closures. Wildstein, the official who ordered the closures and who resigned last month amid the escalating scandal, wrote back: “Got it.”

Other top Christie associates mentioned in or copied on the email chain, all after the top New York appointee at the authority ordered the lanes reopened, include David Samson, the chairman of the agency; Bill Stepien, Christie’s re-election campaign manager and the newly appointed state GOP chairman; and Michael Drewniak, Christie’s spokesman.

Christie has previously said that no one in his staff or campaign was involved in the lane closings, and he has dismissed questions about political retribution by joking that he moved the traffic cones himself.

While Gov. Christie’s pal David Wildstein has already been sacked and Bob Baroni, who was Christie’s top pick at the Port Authority resigned, the emails reveal that the traffic mess was initiated by those in Christie’s inner circle.

This shows just how petty Christie’s staffers were, in a race that was never going to be all that close.

Not only do the Governor’s political appointees at the Port Authority need to be scrutinized for their actions, but the state needs to hold Gov. Christie accountable for this act of partisan hackery that undermined public safety in Fort Lee - all because the mayor wasn’t going to endorse the Governor across party lines.

The governor not only needs to apologize to Fort Lee residents, but he needs to clean house of his staffers who went down this path.

I’m sure that local politicians are looking at whether criminal charges could be filed in relation to interfering with public safety by engaging in a political vendetta against the mayor.

It’s possibly actionable under the state’s Code of Criminal Justice. Various charges could include violating the Execution of Public Duty under 2C:3-3, Crime of corruption of public resources under 2C:27-12, and Obstructing Highways and Other Public Passages under 2C:33-7.

As with the NJ Transit rail fleet flooding debacle, Gov. Christie has let those involved get off easy. That has stop. He has to hold those involved accountable, and he has to take responsibility himself for these actions. Every day that he lets these staffers stay on in Trenton is another day that this scandal grows.

And I’m saying this as someone who voted for Christie. He personally did well in the Sandy aftermath excluding the NJ Transit rail fleet flooding flap, but this action has parallels to the NJ Transit mess. He’s let his underlings/staffers get off without so much as a slap on the wrist for engaging in actions that put state assets at risk (in the NJT instance) and lives at risk (in GWB lane closures).

He’s got to fire those involved and allow the AG or federal prosecutors to investigate this fully. You can’t engage in a political vendetta like this, where lives can be put at risk - and Fort Lee documented how police, fire and EMS were unable to respond quickly due to the traffic jams that blocked most of the city as a result of the lane closures to the bridge.

Cross posted at A Blog For All.

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354 comments
1 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 7:54:48am

Not sure how Christie makes this go away now. When it was seemingly isolated to the Port Authority, he could hope it would end there, that their stonewalling in the face of subpoenas would be enough to stall investigators. Now the stink goes all the way to his inner circle, and is going to draw accusations that he either knew about the shutdown in advance or learned of it after the fact and did nothing. The press will no doubt make excuses for him, find ways to say that he was totally in the dark, but that’s not going to help him when he starts running for the White House next year.

2 XtremeDave  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:02:57am
“Is it wrong that I’m smiling,” the recipient of the text message responded to Wildstein. The person’s identity is not clear because the documents are partially redacted for unknown reasons.

“No,” Wildstein wrote in response.

“I feel badly about the kids,” the person replied to Wildstein. “I guess.”

“They are the children of Buono voters,” Wildstein wrote, making a reference to Barbara Buono, the Democratic candidate for governor, who lost to Christie in a landslide in November.

Sounds like GOP savior Christie is nothing more than another Nixon and no dirty tricks are too much for his political enemies

3 nines09  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:10:05am

I wonder what the defense will be. ” I am not a crook. I am a bully.”

4 Skip Intro  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:28:08am

“Hey, everybody loved the Sopranos, why not me? At least I haven’t had anybody wacked (that you know of)”.

Christie for President, 2016.

5 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 8:56:46am
6 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:03:53am

Big important issues in the hands of sophomoric minds.
Politics

7 EmmaAnne  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:04:00am

re: #2 XtremeDave

Sounds like GOP savior Christie is nothing more than another Nixon and no dirty tricks are too much for his political enemies

I was just thinking that. So much spite, when it was completely unnecessary to win. Tricky Christie?

8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:06:37am

He is about to be caught in a political polar vortex: plenty of Republicans want to see him derailed, not to mention the Dems who see him as a serious contender.

9 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:09:36am

Here are the emails. More redactions than the Palin ones.

Link to pdf from here because it times out.

politico.com

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:10:52am

re: #5 Amory Blaine

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Is that thing running backwards? It looks like I am being offered popcorn from his mouth.

11 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:13:47am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Is that thing running backwards? It looks like I am being offered popcorn from his mouth.

Just a loop, looks like he is spewing popcorn

12 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:17:46am

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

BB: We could shed a meeting to stave off reporters then pull a faps

DW: Like for Monday?

BB: Too cute. Tuesday or later next week.

13 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:20:34am

14 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:23:53am

I think a Drudge siren would be appropriate.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:25:48am

What a petty, sleazy action on the Christie gang’s part. It reminds me of Texas Grifter-in-Chief Perry’s attempt to withhold funding from the state junior colleges because the JC board had failed to pay a purely social courtesy call on him before presenting their requests.

16 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:26:48am
17 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:27:57am

re: #14 Amory Blaine

I think a Drudge siren would be appropriate.

Drudge’s too busy kissing Roger Ailes’ ass. So are the Breitbartians. They’ve relegated Christie’s latest controversy in the blog equivalent of burying it on page A16.

18 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:30:38am

Christie might as well just jump off that bridge, although that is for losers, the Brooklyn Bridge is more fashionable…in any case, he already has the millstone around his neck…

19 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:32:56am

Read page 14 of emails, from Wildstein to Kelly on 9/13.

“The New york side gave Fort Lee back all three lanes this morning. We are appropriately going nuts. Samson helping us to retaliate.”

David Sampson:

panynj.gov

20 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:35:19am

people are stupid enough to email that shit on government computers?

21 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:35:32am

So is this going to be Christies Bridge to Nowhere?
Career wise I mean.

22 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:35:58am

It’s not the crime; it’s the coverup.

It’s the stonewalling and claims that this was a legitimate study of traffic, even though it didn’t follow any established protocol.

It’s that each FOIA or subpoena reveals documents showing that PANYNJ staffers and now Christie administration officials were in contact and directing this action.

We’re talking about a political vendetta and abuse of power. You know, the things that kind of matter regardless of what state you’re in and who you’re talking about.


This is one of those instances where you can see how media coverage will fall depending on the political affiliation, even when it shouldn’t matter.

It’s real easy to do a thought experiment since the Port Authority is a bistate agency and Gov. Cuomo appoints individuals to top posts in the agency just as Gov. Christie does.

If you were to flip this around and it was Gov. Cuomo’s appointees on the PANYNJ who were talking with Cuomo’s office about punishing Bloomberg for not endorsing him and caused backups into Manhattan by limiting access from the Harlem River or Henry Hudson into the GWB, you’d see the same people who are ignoring the issue demanding resignations from the top on down.

Cuomo’s appointee, Patrick Foye, actually stopped the lane shutdown and intimated that it might have violated state law. That’s my assessment as well.

23 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:36:50am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

people are stupid enough to email that shit on government computers?

They thought they were slick and resorted to using personal email accounts; however, those emails were subpoenaed. haha Suckers

24 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:38:48am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

They thought they were slick and resorted to using personal email accounts; however, those emails were subpoenaed. haha Suckers

On the Internet, everything is forever. And if one side of a conversation deletes emails, don’t expect the other side to have done the same. Subpoenas and FOIA will claw back all those loose ends, and see who said what to who and who deleted what (indicating a further coverup).

That these folks were doing so on “private” emails shows that they knew they were up to no good and that this wasn’t through official channels. There was nothing legitimate about these lane closures.

It was a political vendetta.

25 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:39:30am

re: #22 lawhawk

It’s not the crime; it’s the coverup.

I’m no lawyer, but could Christie et al. have been breaking any laws pertaining to interstate commerce by purposely retarding the flow of traffic between two states?

26 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:39:57am

Page 16 of emails, from Wildstein to Stepien.

“I had empty boxes ready to take to work today, just in case. It will be a tough November for this little Serbian.”

Stepien to Wildstein:

“It’s fine. The mayor is an idiot, though. When (sic) some, lose some.”

Wildstein sends Sepien the 9/17 Wall St. Journal article entitled, “Bridge Jam’s Cause a Mystery”.

27 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:40:54am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

They thought they were slick and resorted to using personal email accounts; however, those emails were subpoenaed. haha Suckers

That was what I commented on downstairs. That if there are any kind of sunshine or open accountability laws in NJ that can be a serious problem. Some politicians in TN learned that one the hard way.

RBS

28 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:40:56am

re: #24 lawhawk

That these folks were doing so on “private” emails shows that they knew they were up to no good and that this wasn’t through official channels..

Just like the Palin emails that revealed that her and her staff used personal accounts to discuss subjects that could be damning.

29 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:41:47am

re: #22 lawhawk

Personally think what’s going to be the biggest pain in Christie’s ass is his initial insistence that nobody in his office had anything to do with this, that it began and ended with the Port Authority. He’s pretty much invited state Democrats to now insist on deeper investigations, to find out if anything else has been going on in his office that he’s not aware of. I imagine that private email accounts and so forth are being purged as we speak, in order to burn as many paper trails as possible.

30 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:41:57am

Meanwhile, back in mother Russia…

31 zora  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:42:30am

re: #21 Political Atheist

that’s what the daily caller is calling it:
“Chris Christie’s bridge to nowhere”
dailycaller.com

32 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:43:41am

Danger Zone!

Yeah, Christie’s in the Danger Zone. Even Sterling Archer sees it.

33 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:44:24am

It’s only January 2014. Yes, it’s bad. That doesn’t mean the GOP won’t write it off as something from Christie’s reckless youth that should be ignored by the end of 2015.

34 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:45:45am

re: #30 darthstar

Meanwhile, back in mother Russia…

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And I bet the Embassy will even provide a couple of travel companions to make sure that he gets back ok.

RBS

35 darthstar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:45:49am

36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:46:02am

What did Christie know, and when did he know it?

37 zora  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:46:06am

the gop will be the first ones to hit him over the head with this, in the primaries

38 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:46:25am

re: #33 darthstar

It’s only January 2014. Yes, it’s bad. That doesn’t mean the GOP won’t write it off as something from Christie’s reckless youth that should be ignored by the end of 2015.

Yeah I would’t tell Scott Walker to shine up his pledge pin just yet.

39 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:47:46am

Christie seems to be a ‘nothing happens without my initiating it or okaying it’ kind of guy. I have a hard time believing it was his staff that implemented this. They may try to make it look that way, but I think Christie either put this into action himself, or he asked his staff for suggestions and then picked this one as the plan to mess with the Mayor.

No way in my opinion this doesn’t go right to Christie himself. I don’t think his staff would do anything to make him look bad and the fact that he has held onto the staff without investigations and/or firing anyone says to me he is thinking he can control the outcome of all this too.

Bullies are control freaks. They also deny they are bullies.

40 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:49:52am
But the private messages, mostly sent through personal e-mails accounts, indicate that Kelly, a senior staff member in the governor’s office, was involved in the planning and received updates during the week of the traffic jams. She was also informed that week that Christie’s executives at the Port Authority were ignoring the Fort Lee mayor’s desperate attempts to get a reason for the sudden unannounced closures, as the borough’s first responders struggled to respond to emergencies and buses arrived late on the first day of school.

Nice work, Gov.

41 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:50:20am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

They thought they were slick and resorted to using personal email accounts; however, those emails were subpoenaed. haha Suckers

Arrogance and thinking no one would ever question you because they know of your heavy hand creates stupid mistakes. He seems to control by intimidation. I wonder if the NJ news media dances around him knowing who he is.

42 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:50:23am

re: #36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

What did Christie know, and when did he know it?

Pffff, trick question typical of the gotcha lieberal media! Isn’t it obvious that Christie doesn’t know anything?

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:51:01am

re: #39 ObserverArt

Christie seems to be a ‘nothing happens without my initiating it or okaying it’ kind of guy. I have a hard time believing it was his staff that implemented this. They may try to make it look that way, but I think Christie either put this into action himself, or he asked his staff for suggestions and then picked this one as the plan to mess with the Mayor.

No way in my opinion this doesn’t go right to Christie himself. I don’t think his staff would do anything to make him look bad and the fact that he has held onto the staff without investigations and/or firing anyone says to me he is thinking he can control the outcome of all this too.

Bullies are control freaks. They also deny they are bullies.

Helikely can keep himself from being hit directly, IMO. His people are loyal to him, and they aren’t looking at hard time. Even if he ordered this, he won’t get in legal trouble.

Just my prediction. YMMV

44 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:51:17am

Deleted. I’m back.

45 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:52:55am
In one exchange of text messages on the second day of the lane closures, Wildstein alludes to messages the Fort Lee mayor had left complaining that school buses were having trouble getting through the traffic.

Is it wrong that I’m smiling,” the recipient of the text message responded to Wildstein.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get a vibe of the Enron guys chuckling over grandma not having power?

46 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:56:55am

Here is an actual example of abuse of power; where is the teabagger outrage?

47 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:58:16am
48 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:58:27am

Christie’s not likely to have any legal troubles from this. Hell, I doubt those directly involved will either. But the impropriety, the abuse of power, is gonna linger with him long after today. Even if he didn’t give the order himself, his underlings took action against his enemies and that’s behavior that the public has never approved of.

49 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:59:20am

re: #42 Schadenboner

Pffff, trick question typical of the gotcha >lieberal media! Isn’t it obvious that Christie doesn’t know anything?

In that case, to paraphrase a classic SNL line “What didn’t the Governor know, and when did he stop knowing it?”

At least I THINK it was SNL.

RBS

50 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:59:23am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Helikely can keep himself from being hit directly, IMO. His people are loyal to him, and they aren’t looking at hard time. Even if he ordered this, he won’t get in legal trouble.

Just my prediction. YMMV

Wow. Really?
I think the “he screwed Mitt Romney…hugged Obama” crowd will go after him hard.

51 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:02:07am

re: #47 Lidane

He puts slavery in the pro column.

52 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:03:08am

On Aug 13 2013, David Wildstein wrote: “Got it.”

Bridge Anne Kelly wrote back, same date: “Time for some traffic problems in Ft. Lee.”

On 8/5/1-2013, 11:23, under what appears to be Wildstein’s email timeline, someone wrote, “It’s the only day that works for the governor.”

Sent one minute later, a reply, “We will tell Samson.”

53 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:03:34am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Here is an actual example of abuse of power; where is the teabagger outrage?

Still focused on Hitler Obama and his communist gulags healthcare plan.

54 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:05:04am

re: #50 blueraven

Wow. Really?
I think the “he screwed Mitt Romney…hugged Obama” crowd will go after him hard.

They can’t indict him.

55 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:05:12am

He’s going to blame everything on the aide and wash his hands. Unless they can directly connect what happened at the GWB.

56 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:05:20am

re: #53 Lidane

Still focused on Hitler Obama and his communist gulags healthcare plan.

Bridgeghazi is just a distraction by the lame-stream media and Obama administration to get Obamacare off the front page.

57 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:09:23am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

They can’t indict him.

They can’t indict him but they can ruin his chances in the 2016 primary.

58 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:10:08am

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

They can’t indict him.

They can exert pressure.

59 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:11:02am

[snake plissken] You can’t get out of New York, Christie has shut down the bridge [/snake plissken]

60 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:11:38am

re: #52 Justanotherhuman

On Aug 13 2013, David Wildstein wrote: “Got it.”

Bridge Anne Kelly wrote back, same date: “Time for some traffic problems in Ft. Lee.”

On 8/5/1-2013, 11:23, under what appears to be Wildstein’s email timeline, someone wrote, “It’s the only day that works for the governor.”

Sent one minute later, a reply, “We will tell Samson.”

Did Wildstein and Kelly arrange for a meeting between Christie and Samson? Is that what the exultant 8/13/2013 emails are about, that a deal was made to disrupt traffic on the GWB?

After all, didn’t Samson have their backs, as shown here?

Read page 14 of emails, from Wildstein to Kelly on 9/13.

“The New york side gave Fort Lee back all three lanes this morning. We are appropriately going nuts. Samson helping us to retaliate.”

Samson appears to be very involved. It makes sense he would talk to Christie about something like this as well—they’re buds, Samson having been appointed by Christie.

Just my take on it.

61 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:12:05am

re: #59 b.d.

[snake plissken] You can’t get out of New York, Christie has shut down the bridge [/snake plissken]

I thought you were dead.

62 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:12:25am

One thing we do seem to know about Christie…he is prone to blow ups. I have the feeling the press will go after him hard to get him to go off just to make him look bad to all of America. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the established Republican power brokers will go after him if they do not like him. Take him down and out now and clear the floor for the people they might want to see run for President not named Christie.

Get the popcorn ready, and hide the children and faint of heart. NJ Politics Bustin’ Out!

63 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:12:58am

It’s a bird! It’s a plane! No it’s Gov. Christie’s hopes for national office.
Okay it’s really a nice shot from New Jersey in Petapixel.


Nighttime Photos Capture the Jersey Shore Like You’ve Never Seen it Before

64 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:13:39am

re: #61 Amory Blaine

I thought you were dead.

[snake plissken] Yeah, you and everybody else [/snake plissken]

65 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:14:11am

This is likely to go on for weeks if not months.

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:14:14am

re: #57 Lidane

They can’t indict him but they can ruin his chances in the 2016 primary.

True, but I think he’ll out maneuver them or an ally of his will find an a way to shout “SQUIRREL!” and divert their attention.

67 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:15:22am
68 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:16:11am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Here is an actual example of abuse of power; where is the teabagger outrage?

This incident continues the tradition of ratfucking that Nixon’s people indulged in; the teabaggers probably approve.

69 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:16:39am

re: #61 Amory Blaine

I thought you were dead.

Hey Snake!
I thought you were taller! /Taslima
Ah, but what a wonderful big blue eye you have. /Surgeon General of Beverly Hills

70 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:17:29am

Rand Paul sporting an evil grin today.

71 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:18:37am

re: #45 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Is it just me, or does anyone else get a vibe of the Enron guys chuckling over grandma not having power?

I said it downstairs - I’d be willing to bet that text message came from Christie’s phone.

72 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:21:46am

re: #71 makeitstop

I said it downstairs - I’d be willing to bet that text message came from Christie’s phone.

You’d lose that bet, since he’s not that foolish. it wouldn’t be a phone registered to him, it’d be registered to a deniable aide.

73 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:26:00am

Here come the Bridgegate Truthers!

74 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:29:06am

re: #73 Gus

Here come the Bridgegate Truthers!

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Yep…Hillary did it!

75 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:29:45am

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Snidely Whiplash

76 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:29:59am

It figures Mormon Utah would do this.

Utah puts hold on same-sex marriages that occurred before stay

sltrib.com

“The state will not recognize the validity of marriages that occurred before the U.S. Supreme Court stayed a district court judge’s decision overturning a ban on gay marriage, the governor’s office announced Wednesday.

“In a letter to state agencies, Derek Miller, chief of staff to Gov. Gary Herbert, said those marriages will be “on hold” while it appeals the decision by U.S. District Court Judge Robert J. Shelby.

“Please understand this position is not intended to comment on the legal status of those same-sex marriages,” the letter said. “That is for the courts to decide.”

77 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:30:02am
78 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:30:38am

re: #74 blueraven

Yep…Hillary did it!

BRIDGEGATE IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION PUT TOGETHER BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND THE CLINTONISTAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

79 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:31:03am

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

You’d lose that bet, since he’s not that foolish. it wouldn’t be a phone registered to him, it’d be registered to a deniable aide.

All the other participants in that text exchange are identified. Why not that particular participant?

Ever hear of ‘burner’ phones?

80 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:32:27am

re: #78 Gus

BRIDGEGATE IS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION PUT TOGETHER BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND THE CLINTONISTAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

…to distract from Obamacare Fast & Furious Benghazi!!

81 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:33:12am

BRIDGEGHAZI!!!!

82 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:33:56am

re: #78 Gus

Starring, Darrell Issa as Ken Starr.

83 Joanne  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:34:31am

re: #22 lawhawk

You know what I see? Wingnuts who hate Christie will love this. I bet you any amount of money this alone helps him in a primary. Teabaggers are for anything that negatively affects democrats in any way.

I’d bet my bottom dollar on this. Let’s see what Redstate and the Freepers have to say.

84 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:34:40am

Bridgegate? Really people? That’s the best you can come up with for this emerging scandal?

#GWBJamVendetta

#GWBVendetta

#PANYNJam

Or, let’s stick to NJ-centric scandals:

#BridgeScam

85 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:35:46am
86 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:36:51am

re: #85 Gus

According to Max’s timeline, he’s Christie’s biggest fan.

87 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:37:45am

re: #73 Gus

I am amused by the avatar photo of Joe Scarborough with a fake mustache.

88 Mattand  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:38:24am

The fucking anger I have right now over the GWB closures keeps growing every time I read it about it.

This is what I’ve been bitching about on forums for the last few years whenever people float the absolutely idiotic notion that Christie is the rational moderate the GOP needs.

This is the real Chris Christie, folks. A guy who hires people who willingly and without remorse endangered an entire town as petty political payback.

As much as the rest of the country constantly shits on us, I’ve never been embarrassed to say I’m from New Jersey.

Today, not so much.

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:38:26am
90 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:38:27am

NRO’s Jim Geraghty on the Bridge Bottleneck:

If the allegations are true, the lane closures would represent a petty and obnoxious abuse of authority, one worrisome in a potential president. Some may erroneously insist this is a display of toughness or hard-nosed political power, but the form of the vindictiveness punished Fort Lee commuters of all political stripes, not just the mayor. The state isn’t given the authority to shut down road lanes as a tool for enforcing political loyalty, and it’s rather shocking that this point needs to be made.

In other news, I am informed that objecting to this means you would prefer “a Sharon Angle-type” as the 2016 Republican presidential nominee, and that it is “absurd” to “link” Christie to e-mails sent by his deputy chief of staff.

Perhaps this is all the work of rogue low-level employees in the Cincinnati office.

91 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:38:51am

re: #85 Gus

Exposes your candidate? Hillary? If anything, the excerpts paint Hillary in a positive light compared to Obama and Biden.

And this scandal didn’t just show up today. It showed up in September 2013 during the NJ election season. The emails go back to August 2013. They’re revealed now because of the FOIA/subpoenas to get them. And they’re all bad news for Christie because that’s exactly what they are.

Strip away the partisan political nonsense, and it is an abuse of power by those involved in those emails.

92 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:38:53am

re: #85 Gus

I get it, legendary Sec. of Defense exposes your candidate as a hack of the highest order, so lets turn traffic jams into scandal.

Ah, to distract from Gates. I stand corrected.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:39:25am

OH HAI I am at LAX now going back to Detroit.

The Polar Vortex is retreating, the temp when I land will be a balmy 18 degrees!

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:40:09am

I bought a green tea at the airport coffee shop. It smells like dirty gym socks.

95 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:41:00am

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

I bought a green tea at the airport coffee shop. It smells like dirty gym socks.

Sometimes when I make a cup of tea here, it smells like wet dog.

(Full disclosure: I drink it anyway.)

96 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:41:05am

re: #89 Targetpractice

Of course they won’t. Until the courts finally force the issue. Again.

97 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:42:16am

re: #96 Lidane

Of course they won’t. Until the courts finally force the issue. Again.

This is the kinda behavior that SCOTUS tends to frown on, the moves to act as if the court has already decided in their favor and to openly go back to discriminating against gay couples because they can for the moment.

98 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:42:20am

re: #89 Targetpractice

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Breaking. Utah still sucks.

Also. Yeah, they’re basing it on biblical interpretations. Only because this is a secular nation and not a Christian nation. O.O

99 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:42:44am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

Even as Geraghty tries to stay above the fray, he gets the IRS ‘scandal’ wrong on key facts and details.

The IRS has to interpret the IRC and federal law. It doesn’t have sufficient personnel to check all applications, so the IRS has to use criteria to see if entities are trying to get benefits/status they’re not entitled to.

Turns out that entities across the political spectrum were. Not just TPers.

The fix is one that Congress wont touch, because it would gore too many interests.

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:43:11am

re: #91 lawhawk

Exposes your candidate? Hillary? If anything, the excerpts paint Hillary in a positive light compared to Obama and Biden.

And this scandal didn’t just show up today. It showed up in September 2013 during the NJ election season. The emails go back to August 2013. They’re revealed now because of the FOIA/subpoenas to get them. And they’re all bad news for Christie because that’s exactly what they are.

Strip away the partisan political nonsense, and it is an abuse of power by those involved in those emails.

Sshhh. They think Obama is going to be the next candidate. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet.

101 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:45:06am
102 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:46:29am

Spain government to seek abortion consensus after party dissent

MADRID, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Spain’s ruling People’s Party (PP) sought on Wednesday to stem dissent within its ranks over a law that will make it harder for a woman to get an abortion, saying it would seek consensus over the planned legislation.

“The draft, unveiled by the centre-right government last month, would only allow abortion in the case of rape or if the pregnancy posed a serious physical or mental health risk to the mother.

“The new rules, which prompted protests across the country, would make Spain one of the most restrictive European countries on terminations.”

trust.org

So, consensus within the PP, but the hell with what the rest of the country wants?

Yes, that’s the rightwing for you.

103 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:46:52am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Sshhh. They think Obama is going to be the next candidate. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet.

It’s cute how you think Obummer teh Tyrant is going to concede power or hold elections in 2016.

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104 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:47:11am
105 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:47:53am

re: #101 Lidane

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If brains were dynamite, that woman wouldn’t have enough to blow her nose.

106 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:48:41am

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

“Please understand this position is not intended to comment on the legal status of those same-sex marriages,” the letter said. “That is for the courts to decide.”

He’s implying an authority other than the Bible (and the Book of Mormon, probably)! IMPEEEEAAACCCHHHH!

107 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:48:52am

In the running for weird story of the day:

Oklahoman given ‘atomic wedgie’ died from suffocation, trauma to head

‘Atomic wedgie.’ That’s a new one on me.

108 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:53:31am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

Sshhh. They think Obama is going to be the next candidate. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet.

Rabbit Season!

109 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:54:02am

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

NRO’s Jim Geraghty on the Bridge Bottleneck:
If the allegations are true, the lane closures would represent a petty and obnoxious abuse of authority, one worrisome in a potential president. Some may erroneously insist this is a display of toughness or hard-nosed political power, but the form of the vindictiveness punished Fort Lee commuters of all political stripes, not just the mayor. The state isn’t given the authority to shut down road lanes as a tool for enforcing political loyalty, and it’s rather shocking that this point needs to be made.

In other news, I am informed that objecting to this means you would prefer “a Sharon Angle-type” as the 2016 Republican presidential nominee, and that it is “absurd” to “link” Christie to e-mails sent by his deputy chief of staff.

Perhaps this is all the work of rogue low-level employees in the Cincinnati office.

Right, because IRS employees trying to interpret a muddled rule that conflicts with the actual statute is exactly the same as Chris Chrisite’s top political staff deliberately sabotaging bridge traffic.

110 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:54:35am

Welp. The RWNJs are getting really stupid about this. Who knew.

111 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:54:57am
112 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:56:00am

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI I am at LAX now going back to Detroit.

The Polar Vortex is retreating, the temp when I land will be a balmy 18 degrees!

The Vortex fears the Pie.

113 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:56:02am

CHRISTIE IS BAD! BECAUSE… WELL. HE’S JUST LIKE OBAMA!

114 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:57:19am

This is great news for John McCain
Ted Cruz
Scott Walker!

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:57:38am

re: #110 Gus

Welp. The RWNJs are getting really stupid about this. Who knew.

It just hits directly home with right wing New Jerseyites. Whether or not they’re Devils fans.
/

116 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:57:50am

re: #110 Gus

Welp. The RWNJs are getting really stupid about this. Who knew.

Of course they are. Gotta start the 2016 primaries early.

117 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:58:25am
118 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:58:40am

re: #113 Gus

CHRISTIE IS BAD! BECAUSE… WELL. HE’S JUST LIKE OBAMA!

Obummer won in 2012 becuz Christie hugged him!

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119 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:59:14am

re: #111 Gus

They always resort to Tu quoque.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:59:25am

re: #118 Lidane

Obummer won in 2012 becuz Christie hugged him!

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Or are they now claiming that is when he got infected by Obama-Tyranny cooties?
//

121 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 10:59:26am

re: #117 Kragar

Keep pushing and he’ll start talking about Vince Foster.

122 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:00:03am

Congratulations, Gabby!

123 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:00:27am

re: #109 blueraven

He meant it as sarcasm.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:01:04am

Is MaxTwain trying to cross the modernity of Max Headroom and the sarcastic observations about the human condition by Mark Twain and massively failing at both?

125 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:01:30am
126 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:03:00am

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

Or are they now claiming that is when he got infected by Obama-Tyranny cooties?
//

If Romney had won the Twitchy morans would be praising Christie as tough on libruls and they’d be leading the pushback on the bridge scandal. Obama won, so naturally, Christie = Obama.

127 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:03:58am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

He meant it as sarcasm.

Yes, of course he did. But it was still a false equivalence.

128 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:04:31am
129 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:06:26am

Today’s Fox News variety talking points, fresh from the email:

130 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:07:01am

Twitchy - BREAKING NEWS: Gov. Christie GWB scandal widens.

Transcript:

Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, Obama, and, Benghazi.

131 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:07:13am
132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:07:52am

re: #129 jaunte

Today’s Fox News variety talking points, fresh from the email:

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Wow, that’s so fair and balanced it makes me want to puke.

133 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:08:45am

re: #131 Charles Johnson

I think it’s an automatic RW reflex now.

134 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:09:00am

re: #129 jaunte

Gotta love the dig at CO they slipped in there.

135 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:09:07am

Obama.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:09:22am

re: #135 Gus

Obama.

Care.

137 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:09:28am

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Stoner Danger!!!

138 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:12:34am

Fox News stories we’d like to see:

Hannity Explains Afghanistan Strategy.

139 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:12:37am

The poor RWNJs on twitter don’t seem to understand that the #Bridgeghazi awareness ribbon is actually mocking them as they continue to retweet it.

140 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:13:06am

Teehee!

141 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:13:45am

Registered Republicans Poll on Iraq War:

27% President Bush involved.
33% President Obama involved.
40% Don’t know.

//

142 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:13:59am
143 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:15:19am

re: #141 Gus

Registered Republicans Poll on Iraq War:

27% President Bush involved.
33% President Obama involved.
40% Don’t know.

//

it just shows how gullible the American voter is after Obama directed Al Queida to fly those planes into the world trade center…////

144 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:15:43am

Wow, how did I miss this one?

Lily Tomlin marries same-sex partner of 40 years in New Year’s Eve ceremony

arts.nationalpost.com

42 yrs…amazing!

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:16:17am

re: #141 Gus

Registered Republicans Poll on Hundred Years War:

27% President Obama involved.
23% King Henry V involved.
10% It is France’s fault.
30% Don’t know.
10% Freeedom!

//

FTFY

146 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:17:31am

re: #47 Lidane

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Probably feels the same about the 13th Amendment.

147 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:25:32am

Lots of baseball nerd rage on my FB timeline right now:

148 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:26:41am

Glenn Beck shedding more gold-crusted tears.

Gold futures fall after release of Fed minutes

marketwatch.com

Plus, a woman chair of the Fed has got to make these head cases hurt.

149 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:26:46am

re: #129 jaunte

Today’s Fox News variety talking points, fresh from the email:

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Tonight, “How Barack Obama ruined your life.”

150 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:26:47am
151 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:29:45am
152 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:30:30am

re: #147 Lidane

Lots of baseball nerd rage on my FB timeline right now:

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Biggio was robbed!

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:30:38am

re: #147 Lidane

Lots of baseball nerd rage on my FB timeline right now:

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That sounds right though I would have voted for Tim Raines, Craig Biggio(who just missed) and despite the roids Clemens and Bonds too.

154 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:30:39am

re: #150 Kragar

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Who is that clown?

155 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:31:34am

re: #152 b.d.

Biggio was robbed!

He’ll go in next year. But I agree. Great second baseman, guy, and versattile too. He started out as a catcher and even moved to the outfield when the Stros acquired Jeff Kent to play 2B. Also had a knack for getting hit by the ball
too.

156 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:32:27am

re: #154 GeneJockey

Who is that clown?

Christie Groupie

157 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:32:32am
158 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:32:32am

re: #154 GeneJockey

Who is that clown?

Whoever he is, Kragar’s really winding his watch.

159 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:32:34am
160 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:32:59am

re: #152 b.d.

Biggio was robbed!

That’s where most of the rage is focused. I grew up in Houston, so my FB timeline has a bunch of friends from there. They’re pissed.

161 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:34:27am

re: #159 lawhawk

Key figure in #bridgegate David Wildstein moves to quash subpoena compelling him to testify tomorrow, says Legislature doesn’t have power.

Wow. He seems to really not want to be put under oath.

162 abolitionist  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:34:27am

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

I bought a green tea at the airport coffee shop. It smells like dirty gym socks.

Follow the money. /

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:35:40am

Don’t know how Mussina only gets 21% of the vote. He’s closer to Glavine than Glavine is to Maddux in my opinion. Not sure he’s a HoFer but he was something in his prime. Closest I ever got to seeing a perfect game pitched was when he came two outs from pitching one against Cleveland in ‘97.

164 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:36:06am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Maddux, who won 355 games, the eighth-highest figure in Major League history, saw his name appear on 97.2 percent of the ballots, falling short of the all-time mark still held by Tom Seaver, who was elected on 98.84 percent of the vote in 1992. Glavine, who won 305 games, fourth-most among left-handers, was at 91.9 percent, and Thomas, a first baseman and designated hitter, who batted .301, hit 521 homers and amassed 1,704 RBIs in 19 seasons, 16 of them with the White Sox, finished at 83.7.

Biggio came .2% from getting into the HoF this year. I’d say he’d be in line to get in next year. The trio that made it did so as legitimate 1st ballot HoFers. Biggio falls just short of that line IMO.

165 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:36:18am

Some lines from Gallup that tell a tale:

gallup.com

166 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:36:50am

re: #159 lawhawk

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Bullshit.

“In New Jersey, the power of lawmakers to issue subpoenas is codified by statute. Pursuant to chapter 13 of Title 52 of the Revised Statutes:

Any joint committee of the legislature, any standing committee of either house, or any special committee directed by resolution to enter upon any investigation or inquiry, the pursuit of which shall necessitate the attendance of persons or the production of books or papers, shall have power to compel the attendance before it of such persons as witnesses and the production before it of such books and papers as it may deem necessary, proper and relevant to the matter under investigation.”

politickernj.com

167 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:36:59am

re: #159 lawhawk

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New Jersey Revised Statute 52:13-1 says otherwise:

52:13-1. Attendance of witnesses; production of books and papers; legal and clerical assistance
Any joint committee of the legislature, any standing committee of either house, or any special committee directed by resolution to enter upon any investigation or inquiry, the pursuit of which shall necessitate the attendance of persons or the production of books or papers, shall have power to compel the attendance before it of such persons as witnesses and the production before it of such books and papers as it may deem necessary, proper and relevant to the matter under investigation. Any such committee shall also have the power to employ such legal and clerical assistance as it may deem necessary to the proper conduct of the investigation.

168 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:37:01am
169 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:37:38am

re: #156 Kragar

Christie Groupie

Ah, I see. So Butthurt Level = Baboon Red, eh?

Jesus, does he not recognize simple “Nice town you got here. Be a shame if sumpin’ was to happen to it” Thuggism?

170 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:37:53am

Officially, this signals the decline of Western Civilization:

171 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:38:26am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

teach me to proofread and bold critical passages before sending. I might get scooped by 9 seconds. :)

172 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:38:28am

re: #164 lawhawk

Maddux, who won 355 games, the eighth-highest figure in Major League history, saw his name appear on 97.2 percent of the ballots, falling short of the all-time mark still held by Tom Seaver, who was elected on 98.84 percent of the vote in 1992. Glavine, who won 305 games, fourth-most among left-handers, was at 91.9 percent, and Thomas, a first baseman and designated hitter, who batted .301, hit 521 homers and amassed 1,704 RBIs in 19 seasons, 16 of them with the White Sox, finished at 83.7.

Biggio came .2% from getting into the HoF this year. I’d say he’d be in line to get in next year. The trio that made it did so as legitimate 1st ballot HoFers. Biggio falls just short of that line IMO.

Yeah all three belong no doubt. I’m just of the thought that if someone is HoF worthy, they should get in on the first ballot. It’s cool to see Glavine and Maddux go in together.

173 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:38:45am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Spam-flavored regular Spam is now Classic.

174 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:38:48am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

re: #164 lawhawk

Good Hall of Fame election for Chicago though. Thomas was phenomenal for the White Sox and Greg Maddux was exciting to watch pitching for the Cubs.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:39:00am

re: #168 jaunte

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Of course, Fox would rather focus on the latest Obama fauxrage.

176 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:39:30am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Everyone’s waiting for instructions on what to say.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:39:36am

re: #173 jaunte

Spam-flavored regular Spam is now Classic.

Now with extra Vikings!
;)

178 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:39:39am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I’d mostly agree with that.

cbssports.com

In fact, Mussina’s figures look good in comparison with a higher winning percentage and higher k/9 and better WHIP. He falls short on accolades though. No CYs. That’ll do it.

baseball-reference.com

179 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:39:51am

As much as I hate to invoke Watergate, it really does seem similar. While Christie may not have ordered the action, staffers appointed by and working for him committed what appears to be criminal acts, and he has provided cover for them after the allegations against them have come out. The question really is what did he know and when did he know it?

180 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:40:12am

Christie is a Republican, Fox wouldn’t roast him that badly.

181 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:40:20am

re: #173 jaunte

Spam-flavored regular Spam is now Classic.

Spurkey goes well with New Coke.

182 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:40:55am

Spam Hawaiian Style Singles, with embedded pineapple nuggets.

183 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:40:59am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

re: #167 kirkspencer

Yup. I know that. You know that. But Wildstein’s going to attempt to bluster his way out of the hearing. Shouldn’t work, and holding him in contempt will help clarify matters for the public too - as long as the media reminds everyone that the legislature does in fact have that power.

184 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:41:03am

re: #179 Kragar

As much as I hate to invoke Watergate, it really does seem similar. While Christie may not have ordered the action, staffers appointed by and working for him committed what appears to be criminal acts, and he has provided cover for them after the allegations against them have come out. The question really is what did he know and when did he know it?

BENGHAZI is 100 times worse!!!

185 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:41:29am

re: #169 GeneJockey

Ah, I see. So Butthurt Level = Baboon Red, eh?

Jesus, does he not recognize simple “Nice town you got here. Be a shame if sumpin’ was to happen to it” Thuggism?

Youtube Video

186 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:41:48am

re: #178 lawhawk

I’d mostly agree with that.

cbssports.com

In fact, Mussina’s figures look good in comparison with a higher winning percentage and higher k/9 and better WHIP. He falls short on accolades though. No CYs. That’ll do it.

baseball-reference.com

Never won a WS either. But yeah Moose gets the short end because he never won a Cy Young, WS, missed 300 wins, and only won 20 games once. Glavine should get props in another area though. The guy was a decent hitting pitcher. I think that should matter for something.

187 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:41:54am

Donkey meat Spam.

188 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:42:10am

Burro-Spam

189 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:42:28am

re: #187 Gus

Hey, you got FoxSpam in my DonkeySpam!

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:42:33am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

Christie is a Republican, Fox wouldn’t roast him that badly.

Yeah the kid gloves treatment until they try to make Obama guilty by association since he helped Christie’s state.

191 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:43:08am

#Bridgeghazi is the holocaust times Watergate times Stalin times Jesus’ crucifiction times infinity. Hell, #Bridgeghazi is Obama’s Katrina.

192 piratedan  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:45:06am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

well you see, this is the Faux cycle where the opinion folks are on, not the newsies and well, gosh darn it, these folks just don’t have much of an opinion on Chris Christie, whocoulddanode? /////

193 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:45:38am

re: #118 Lidane

Obummer won in 2012 becuz Christie hugged him!

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To be perfectly honest, the reverse is probably more-true. My understanding is that the Democratic nominee got *no* support from the national party. It was sort of a quid pro for soft pedaling the Booker Senatorial.

And I’m not saying that this was the wrong thing to do, mind you. An (R) in the Governor’s Mansion with a (D)-led state legislature can only really get up to so much mischief (see also: bridge shit) versus a seat in what was, let’s remember, still a 60-vote body when Booker was elected to it.

But willingness to do this tacit deal was probably at least aided by a popular perception among the party (outside of NJ, mind you) that Christie is both more moderate and more reasonable than his history supports (see also: bridge shit).

194 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:45:59am

This is Gov. Christie’s problem. He does not recognize Women as human beings:
Youtube Video

195 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:46:34am

Don’t forget that tantalizing taste treat, spam musubi.

196 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:46:45am

It was only a 2 dog night last night. Today is much better.

you?

197 erik_t  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:47:26am

Christie ‘16: The Bridge on the River Kwit

198 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:47:32am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yeah the kid gloves treatment until they try to make Obama guilty by association since he helped Christie’s state.

Their not exactly giving him a free ride.

From Faux news

Newly published emails reportedly suggest New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s office was involved in controversial lane closures in a north Jersey town last fall, giving fresh ammunition to Democrats who claim the closures were political retribution against the local mayor.

199 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:49:10am

re: #195 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget that tantalizing taste treat, spam musubi.

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I know people who would knock you down to get those.

200 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:49:20am

Rubio making his poverty speech.

201 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:49:34am
202 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:50:08am
203 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:50:47am

re: #201 Gus

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Really Marco because my grandparents grew up in large families and they were still impoverished. You know how you limit poverty you stupid shithead? You actually give a shit about feeding the less well off, you actually care about their health, or educating them. You don’t live in a pie in the sky fantasy world where marriage solves everything.

204 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:51:19am

re: #201 Gus

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oh, yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.

Sounds like lollipops and unicorns will rain down when the marriage certificate is issued.

205 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:51:22am
206 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:52:01am

I remember the last time I ate SPAM. I was a cub scout on a camping trip and we grilled slices on spam, covered them with BBQ sauce, and ate them on white bread. That was over 33, 34ish, years ago.

207 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:52:06am

re: #205 Kragar

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Yeah the GOP doesn’t seem to give two shits about immigrant families or gay ones.

208 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:53:19am

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

This is Gov. Christie’s problem. He does not recognize Women as human beings:
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Mentions hearing his daughter’s heartbeat at three months, never mentions the woman his daughter was inside of.

209 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:53:20am
210 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:53:49am

re: #201 Gus

Wait…he actually SAID THAT?

211 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:54:08am
212 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:54:32am

Rubio reminds of those brides who are just so sure their man is suddenly going to change for the better once the ring goes on.

213 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:54:52am

Also, consider how much weddings COST!

214 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:55:17am

re: #208 wrenchwench

Mentions hearing his daughter’s heartbeat at three months, never mentions the woman his daughter was inside of.

Of course. It’s wonderful when a father feels that way about new life.

He cannot imagine that a women would be in such a situation and not want to be. He cannot imagine the future she might be facing.

215 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:56:21am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Rubio reminds of those brides who are just so sure their man is suddenly going to change for the better once the ring goes on.

I can only speak for myself, but I improved once I got married.

“Improved” in the sense that now there’s even more of me to love.

Opinions continue to differ between Mrs. Schadenboner and myself on this issue, however.

216 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:57:15am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait…he actually SAID THAT?

Boiler plate GOP talking point.

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:57:28am

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

oh, yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.

Sounds like lollipops and unicorns will rain down when the marriage certificate is issued.

But only if it’s between a man and a woman. Of course.

218 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:57:39am

Funny how the headlines about the Gates book fail to mention how hard he was on congress, much harsher than anything he said about Obama, who he criticized and praised. Certainly going to read that book, prolly via Amazon

I guess Obama based headlines out click congressional criticisms.

219 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:57:43am

I improved too, but it was a conscious choice that had more to do with me than my wife.

220 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:58:01am

THERE ARE NO POOR MARRIED STRAIGHT PEOPLE!!

221 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:58:38am

re: #215 Schadenboner

I can only speak for myself, but I improved once I got married.

“Improved” in the sense that now there’s even more of me to love.

Opinions continue to differ between Mrs. Schadenboner and myself on this issue, however.

Perhaps ‘enhanced’ is a better adjective, much as I refer to myself as a gravity-enhanced cyclist.

222 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:58:59am

I have one young friend who refused to marry the father of her children-2 by the time she was 20. Good thing, he didn’t finish high school and ended up in jail and does not contribute one dime or minute of his time to the children.

She did. Works full-time, her children make straight a’s and somehow she finds time to go to school herself.

Marriage is not the answer.

223 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 11:59:40am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Yeah the GOP doesn’t seem to give two shits about immigrant families or gay ones.

Hell, those people don’t even rate a GOP fart in their general direction.

224 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:00:09pm

re: #215 Schadenboner

I can only speak for myself, but I improved once I got married.

“Improved” in the sense that now there’s even more of me to love.

Opinions continue to differ between Mrs. Schadenboner and myself on this issue, however.

Marriage, IIRC, does improve men. There is a happiness scale:

Happiest: Married Men
Single Women
Single Men
Married Women.

Can’t remember the source …sorry.

225 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:00:51pm

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Perhaps the way to help get working people out of poverty is to…oh, I don’t know…PAY THEM MORE?!?

226 geoffm33  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:01:06pm

Had some fun with a scammer today. Got a call from someone claiming to be from some support company and asked me to do some things on my computer to see it was infected with malware. Here were the instructions:

hold windows key + r to open the run box
type in the run box: inf
hit enter

This opens up the C: Windows inf folder which is full of system files.

The tech uses that info as evidence there are baad files on your PC.

He then says in order to get rid of them you should open internet explorer and access a URL he provides.

I lead him along the whole way (I was in the kitchen with my *Mac* in my laptop bag).

We got to the point where I was supposed to enter the URL into Internet Explorer and I told him I didn’t know how. I didn’t have that installed. He asked how is that possible and I told him I didn’t own a computer.

I asked him for a callback number for when I get a computer, as he was very helpful and concerned.

Here is a link to a similar incident and the same phone number that they gave me.

227 zora  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:01:46pm

re: #220 b.d.

they’re probably atheists
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228 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:01:51pm

re: #225 GeneJockey

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Perhaps the way to help get working people out of poverty is to…oh, I don’t know…PAY THEM MORE?!?

Commie.

229 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:02:02pm

re: #225 GeneJockey

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Perhaps the way to help get working people out of poverty is to…oh, I don’t know…PAY THEM MORE?!?

That’s socialism.//

230 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:02:08pm

re: #225 GeneJockey

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Perhaps the way to help get working people out of poverty is to…oh, I don’t know…PAY THEM MORE?!?

Hey now, lets not get crazy! - GOP

231 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:02:10pm

re: #201 Gus

232 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:02:24pm

re: #221 GeneJockey

Perhaps ‘enhanced’ is a better adjective, much as I refer to myself as a gravity-enhanced cyclist.

Schadenboner: now with improved gravity gravitas.

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:03:59pm

re: #231 Lidane

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Yeah, that’s one of the stupid things about Rubio’s argument here. He’s arguing that people should marry to get out of poverty and yet he’s an avowed opponent of same sex marriage. Can’t have it both ways Marco.

234 erik_t  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:04:00pm

re: #225 GeneJockey

Hey, I’ve got a great idea! Perhaps the way to help get working people out of poverty is to…oh, I don’t know…PAY THEM MORE?!?

We all know the blahs would just blow it on bling and fancy snack chips and Obamaphones. They cannot be trusted with anything but gruel, which obviously must be provided by a church (I hope they go to church!) because the government of the people, by the people, and for the people must not sully its hands with such things. At least until such time as the job creators have a chance to create a $3/hr job for those lazy shiftless good-for-nothings.

235 GeneJockey  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:04:40pm

re: #232 Schadenboner

Schadenboner: now with improved gravity gravitas.

Well, you know - since gravity is actually MUTUAL attraction of objects, and it’s directly proportional to mass, you actually DO have improved gravity!

I myself am now pulling the earth toward me about 12% less strongly than a year ago.

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:05:04pm

I’ll take Rubio seriously though on poverty when he starts actually caring about enhancing the health care, wages, etc of the poor but seeing as he’s nothing but a Tea Party toolbag…

237 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:05:15pm

Invest your fondue pot wisely

238 Flying Squirrel Girl  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:05:16pm

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

According to the GOP her time would be better spent looking for a husband to submit to than wasting time educating herself. That’s only gonna make her less desirable.

239 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:05:41pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

Christie seems to be a ‘nothing happens without my initiating it or okaying it’ kind of guy. I have a hard time believing it was his staff that implemented this. They may try to make it look that way, but I think Christie either put this into action himself, or he asked his staff for suggestions and then picked this one as the plan to mess with the Mayor.

No way in my opinion this doesn’t go right to Christie himself. I don’t think his staff would do anything to make him look bad and the fact that he has held onto the staff without investigations and/or firing anyone says to me he is thinking he can control the outcome of all this too.

Bullies are control freaks. They also deny they are bullies.

Christie is the kind of guy who yells at public school teachers while on the campaign trail and calls his constituents “jerk”, “idiot” and “numbnuts”. (Christie used to be a lobbyist for a school privatization company, and he really, really does not like public school teachers.)

He based his image on being a trash talking bully. That works in Jersey, I suppose…but you can see why the Romney campaign ran away from him after the campaign research people said he had a veritable morgue hiding in his closet.

240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:06:37pm

Marriage doesn’t lift people out of poverty, just go to some backwoods towns sometime where there’s no opportunity sometime. I grew up in that type of situation and there were plenty of married people who were still dirt poor.

241 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:07:03pm

re: #179 Kragar

As much as I hate to invoke Watergate, it really does seem similar. While Christie may not have ordered the action, staffers appointed by and working for him committed what appears to be criminal acts, and he has provided cover for them after the allegations against them have come out. The question really is what did he know and when did he know it?

See my #36. Apparently my disinclination to invoke Watergate is less severe than yours.

242 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:08:51pm
243 erik_t  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:09:55pm

re: #242 Kragar

Butthurt level plaid.

244 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:09:55pm

re: #238 Flying Squirrel Girl

According to the GOP her time would be better spent looking for a husband to submit to than wasting time educating herself. That’s only gonna make her less desirable.

I’ve had some of my older uncles suggest that I move back home and let them find me a husband. You know, because I put myself into debt and worked my ass off for a graduate degree to just toss it aside.

Also, because I’m now 40, I’m being told I need to start seriously thinking about marriage since my childbearing years are waning. WTF. I’ve never had the maternal pull. It’s never been an issue for me. Even back in high school, the idea of becoming a mom was abstract, never real. STFU with that noise. If I had wanted to be a mom, I would’ve had kids by now.

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:10:55pm

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

I have one young friend who refused to marry the father of her children-2 by the time she was 20. Good thing, he didn’t finish high school and ended up in jail and does not contribute one dime or minute of his time to the children.

She did. Works full-time, her children make straight a’s and somehow she finds time to go to school herself.

Marriage is not the answer.

At 20 she was already too old to marry anyway, according to the Duck Commander…

246 allegro  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:11:02pm

re: #238 Flying Squirrel Girl

According to the GOP her time would be better spent looking for a husband to submit to than wasting time educating herself. That’s only gonna make her less desirable.

Too late. She’s already past her sell-by date of 15.

247 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:11:58pm

re: #244 Lidane

I’ve had some of my older uncles suggest that I move back home and let them find me a husband. You know, because I put myself into debt and worked my ass off for a graduate degree to just toss it aside.

Also, because I’m now 40, I’m being told I need to start seriously thinking about marriage since my childbearing years are waning. WTF. I’ve never had the maternal pull. It’s never been an issue for me. Even back in high school, the idea of becoming a mom was abstract, never real. STFU with that noise. If I had wanted to be a mom, I would’ve had kids by now.

Hubby and I have been watching the old episodes of Mad Men. The cultural divide between generations is amazing. I remember somethings from my childhood. Thing is, my Mom and her sisters were not raised as many women were raised. Two married young, had children, My mom married late, had one child, and one sister didn’t marry at all.

I think it might be an Irish thing. It is a matriarchal family.

248 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:12:18pm

Got him.

249 allegro  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:13:28pm

7 seconds! grrrrr

250 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:14:26pm

re: #248 Kragar

Got him.

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heh

251 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:14:54pm
252 Flying Squirrel Girl  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:28pm

re: #244 Lidane

Agreed.

Child-FREE, not child-LESS is how I have to explain the fact that at 43 I have no children. I’ve actually had someone say to me, “Your life must be so empty!”

And to the marriage issue, I’ve been there done that and don’t see the point in doing it again. I’ve been with the same partner for 11 years and his parents still don’t understand “why we would go as far as pretending to be married but not do it!”

I don’t even try to explain.

253 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:35pm
254 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:16:55pm

BENGHAZI! RARRRR!

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:17:18pm

re: #243 erik_t

Butthurt level plaid.

And we await the results when they realize they have to stop.

256 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:17:22pm
257 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:17:30pm

It’d be funny if it weren’t so predictable. Way the RWNJs sound. You’d think Benghazi was the first time an embassy or consulate had ever been attacked.

258 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:17:43pm
259 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:18:01pm

re: #251 Kragar

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One so rarely hears the phrase “addlepated homunculus” in conversation these days, and I say, more’s the pity.

260 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:18:37pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

It’d be funny if it weren’t so predictable. Way the RWNJs sound. You’d think Benghazi was the first time an embassy or consulate had ever been attacked.

Short attention-span theater.

261 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:19:17pm
262 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:19:43pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

It’d be funny if it weren’t so predictable. Way the RWNJs sound. You’d think Benghazi was the first time an embassy or consulate had ever been attacked.

263 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:19:56pm

re: #260 jaunte

Short attention-span theater.

Right. And you know what, Romney didn’t get enough crap for suggesting that POTUS sympathized with the terrorists that killed Amb. Stevens and the others.

264 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:20:17pm

re: #252 Flying Squirrel Girl

Agreed.

Child-FREE, not child-LESS is how I have to explain the fact that at 43 I have no children. I’ve actually had someone say to me, “Your life must be so empty!”

And to the marriage issue, I’ve been there done that and don’t see the point in doing it again. I’ve been with the same partner for 11 years and his parents still don’t understand “why we would go as far as pretending to be married but not do it!”

I don’t even try to explain.

I never wanted children or to get married. Then I met my husband. I will say, that having had a child I tend to feel the same way about those who don’t. It’s something I can’t explain.

That said, it’s a matter of choice. Marriage and Motherhood were MY CHOICE. I can’t imagine how I would feel if it weren’t.

I’m not sure I could love a child in the way I love my child if that child was forced on me, that I didn’t want.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be that child.

265 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:20:20pm

re: #262 Dr. Matt

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Seriously. The selective outrage on Benghazi is the most absurd thing I’ve ever seen.

266 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:20:21pm

re: #256 Lidane

I really don’t like this suckup Dudebro:

267 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:21:34pm

re: #266 b.d.

Everybody marry now.

268 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:21:43pm

re: #266 b.d.

I really don’t like this suckup Dudebro:

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A step in the right direction how Chris? God this guy’s the first to jump on the center-left when they do something that irks the purer than thou but he’s kissing Rubio’s ass for giving the standard right wing answer on poverty? Marriage blah blah.

269 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:21:46pm

re: #266 b.d.

There are some things I agree with him on but overall I wish MSNBC would find someone else to host his show. He annoys the crap out of me a lot of the time. Especially his fawning over Greenwald/Snowden.

270 Aunty Entity Dragon  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:22:24pm

re: #248 Kragar

Got him.

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BENGHAZZZIIII!!!!! WE MUST KNOW TEH TROOOOOFFFFF!!!!!

271 jaunte  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:23:17pm
all in all Rubio speech is a step in the right direction

“Conserve water, shower with a friend.”

272 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:25:56pm
273 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:26:23pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget that tantalizing taste treat, spam musubi.

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I remember something growing up called a “Yankee Sandwich”. Hamburger bun with a couple of pieces of fried Spam, some raw onion rings, and then a spoonful of pork & beans or baked beans on it. I may just have to stop at the market and pick up the fixings for it tonight.

RBS

274 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:27:13pm

re: #242 Kragar

OFFS. This is about as clear an example of what I said above.


Both NY and NJ governors appoint top executives in the bistate agency.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:28:08pm

re: #262 Dr. Matt

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Of those attacks you listed how many of those killed were Americans? Remember, brown people don’t count when they do their calculations.
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276 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:30:09pm

re: #272 Lidane

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hahahahaha

277 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:31:21pm

re: #275 Feline Fearless Leader

Of those attacks you listed how many of those killed were Americans? Remember, brown people don’t count when they do their calculations.
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Most of the deaths were Americans. CNN has a webpage linking to the details of many of the attacks: cnn.com

278 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:31:50pm

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

One so rarely hears the phrase “addlepated homunculus” in conversation these days, and I say, more’s the pity.

I like to trot it out on special occasions.

279 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:33:07pm

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

One so rarely hears the phrase “addlepated homunculus” in conversation these days, and I say, more’s the pity.

ANY relation to the duck-billed platypus?

280 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:34:20pm

re: #272 Lidane

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281 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:35:02pm

re: #279 FemNaziBitch

ANY relation to the duck-billed platypus?

ad*dle*pat*ed (dl-ptd)
adj.
1. Befuddled; confused.

ho*mun*cu*lus (h-mngky-ls, h-)
n. pl. ho*mun*cu*li (-l)
1. A diminutive human.

282 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:35:30pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

I never wanted children or to get married. Then I met my husband. I will say, that having had a child I tend to feel the same way about those who don’t. It’s something I can’t explain.

That said, it’s a matter of choice. Marriage and Motherhood were MY CHOICE. I can’t imagine how I would feel if it weren’t.

I’m not sure I could love a child in the way I love my child if that child was forced on me, that I didn’t want.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be that child.

Before we got married, my wife-to-be made it very clear that she didn’t ever want to have children. I made my peace with this, even though I’d always imagined I’d be a father some day. Then out of the blue, somewhere around age 32 or 33 (i.e., after 10 years of marriage), she informed me she’d changed her mind and wanted kids after all. We now have two and I wouldn’t give up the experience for anything, even though our older child is severely disabled and will never be able to live independently. I think there’s something about having children that can’t be understood if you haven’t had them yourself, but of course I’d never want to foist that upon anyone who didn’t want it (as indeed I didn’t try to foist children upon my wife when she didn’t want them.)

283 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:35:58pm

re: #279 FemNaziBitch

ANY relation to the duck-billed platypus?

Heh. I think a duck-billed platypus is more cerebral than the average RWNJ.

284 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:36:40pm

re: #281 Kragar

ad*dle*pat*ed (dl-ptd)
adj.
1. Befuddled; confused.

ho*mun*cu*lus (h-mngky-ls, h-)
n. pl. ho*mun*cu*li (-l)
1. A diminutive human.

I think Buzz Lightyear was saying essentially the same thing when he called Woody a “sad strange little man.”

285 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:38:12pm

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I think a duck-billed platypus is more cerebral than the average RWNJ.

And fairly well adapted to their environment. I quail thinking of what environment the average RWNJ is actually well-adapted to survive in.

286 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:39:16pm

re: #284 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I think Buzz Lightyear was saying essentially the same thing when he called Woody a “sad strange little man.”

Buzz also spent a good chunk of the first movie being pretty delusional about what and where he was though.

287 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:40:04pm

re: #285 Feline Fearless Leader

And fairly well adapted to their environment. I quail thinking of what environment the average RWNJ is actually well-adapted to survive in.

well given the levels at which their brains function I would say they could survive in a low oxygen environment but then again with how much they scream and shout they may need more…

288 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:40:31pm

re: #286 Feline Fearless Leader

Buzz also spent a good chunk of the first movie being pretty delusional about what and where he was though.

True. Apparently it’s a feature, since the Buzz awoken at Al’s in the 2nd movie and Spanish Buzz in the 3rd movie have the same problem.

289 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:41:04pm

Republicans Move to Reclaim Poverty-Fighting Mantle

“There’s also a recognition among a lot of Republicans that we have not done a good job messaging conservatism, messaging the fact that we are conservatives not in spite of our concern for the poor, but because of it,” Mr. Lee said.

290 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:42:18pm

This is the right wing argument tactic in a nutshell:

This is the kind of dishonest arguing that used to get high school debaters penalized.

291 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:44:00pm

re: #290 Charles Johnson

This is the right wing argument tactic in a nutshell:

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This is the kind of dishonest arguing that used to get high school debaters penalized.

Ah, but how many RWNJs were ever on the HS debate team?

292 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:44:58pm
293 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:48:40pm

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I think a duck-billed platypus is more cerebral than the average RWNJ.

My son’s favorite stuffed animal is a platypus. IT is FAR smarter than most RWNJs.

294 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:49:06pm

Confession: When this “bridge story” first surfaced, I thought it was probably a bunch of bull and a liberal wet dream.
It just seemed so freaking juvenile and stupid, that I couldn’t believe anyone would actually intentionally do something like this for some stupid political payback.

Lesson learned…NEVER underestimate the pettiness of politics.

295 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:50:11pm

re: #283 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I think a duck-billed platypus is more cerebral than the average RWNJ.

296 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:50:49pm
297 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:52:26pm

History, you’re doing it wrong:

298 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:52:37pm

So, I’m watching “Godzilla vs. Destroyah” and “Godzilla: Final Wars”, and you know, I’m actually looking forward to the “Godzilla” film coming out in a few more months.

299 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:53:24pm

Gun Safety, a primer:

300 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:53:45pm

re: #297 Lidane

History, you’re doing it wrong:

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What an gnorant nitwit. This Sandy Rios clearly knows nothing whatsoever about modern history.

301 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:53:48pm

re: #251 Kragar

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Frakkin brilliant, dude.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:55:15pm

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

So, I’m watching “Godzilla vs. Destroyah” and “Godzilla: Final Wars”, and you know, I’m actually looking forward to the “Godzilla” film coming out in a few more months.

I saw the former of those two on Jan 1. Some channel ran “Kaiju New Year” or something like that and showed most of the 1990s Godzilla movies. A somewhat neat mix of Godzilla and giant robot stuff since it appears Japan was spending a lot of their military budget in that time period on various giant mechanical attempts to stop Godzilla.
;)

303 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:55:31pm

re: #248 Kragar

Got him.

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Doesn’t appear he has a grasp of the implications, does it?

304 erik_t  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:55:35pm

re: #299 Lidane

Gun Safety, a primer:

Someone didn’t listen enough to Eddie the Creepy Jingoistic Firearms Eagle when she was growing up.

305 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:56:38pm

re: #244 Lidane

I’ve had some of my older uncles suggest that I move back home and let them find me a husband. You know, because I put myself into debt and worked my ass off for a graduate degree to just toss it aside.

Also, because I’m now 40, I’m being told I need to start seriously thinking about marriage since my childbearing years are waning. WTF. I’ve never had the maternal pull. It’s never been an issue for me. Even back in high school, the idea of becoming a mom was abstract, never real. STFU with that noise. If I had wanted to be a mom, I would’ve had kids by now.

Kids should be rented, never owned.

306 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:58:45pm
307 Lidane  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:59:49pm

RWNJ Logic 101:

308 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:00:02pm

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw the former of those two on Jan 1. Some channel ran “Kaiju New Year” or something like that and showed most of the 1990s Godzilla movies. A somewhat neat mix of Godzilla and giant robot stuff since it appears Japan was spending a lot of their military budget in that time period on various giant mechanical attempts to stop Godzilla.
;)

Heh. Years ago, I had a Ranma 1/2 VHS, Japanese w/English subs, and in the case, there was a fake newspaper. One of the articles mentioned a police chief saying, “Yes, it’s unusual when a giant panda has a kung-fu battle with a redheaded girl, but it’s also unusual when a 150-meter tall radioactive amphibian pops up of Tokyo Bay, but it does happen from time to time.”

309 Slap  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:00:18pm

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

I’m willing to keep an open mind — but as a child in the Pacific in the 60s, the whole Toho monster universe was such a wonderful experience. Something about the primitive/innocent/cheesy qualities they displayed….

That said, my personal faves were Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla and, above all of them, Destroy All Monsters.

Great stuff.

310 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:02:44pm

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Years ago, I had a Ranma 1/2 VHS, Japanese w/English subs, and in the case, there was a fake newspaper. One of the articles mentioned a police chief saying, “Yes, it’s unusual when a giant panda has a kung-fu battle with a redheaded girl, but it’s also unusual when a 150-meter tall radioactive amphibian pops up of Tokyo Bay, but it does happen from time to time.”

You’d also wonder about the Japanese continuing to build high-rises after the 3rd or 4th time Godzilla (or other monster) rampaged through Osaka or Kyoto knocking them down. All I can figure is that the construction firms had some fantastic kick-back system going. Or maybe how they got away with substituting Styrofoam for concrete?

311 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:03:37pm

re: #252 Flying Squirrel Girl

Agreed.

Child-FREE, not child-LESS is how I have to explain the fact that at 43 I have no children. I’ve actually had someone say to me, “Your life must be so empty!”

And to the marriage issue, I’ve been there done that and don’t see the point in doing it again. I’ve been with the same partner for 11 years and his parents still don’t understand “why we would go as far as pretending to be married but not do it!”

I don’t even try to explain.

The valid reason for marriage applies here - worth thinking about. Simplistically, marriage is a civil recognition of de facto power of attorney. With that one formal document either of you can act on the other’s behalf.

On the other hand it’s an extraordinarily powerful document that is difficult to disengage if/when you fall out of trust. Less so than it’s been in the past, but still difficult.

meh - your life, your call.

312 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:04:08pm

re: #309 Slap

I’m willing to keep an open mind — but as a child in the Pacific in the 60s, the whole Toho monster universe was such a wonderful experience. Something about the primitive/innocent/cheesy qualities they displayed….

That said, my personal faves were Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla and, above all of them, Destroy All Monsters.

Great stuff.

The newer stuff has much the same formula since the JSDF always seems to get an appearance in with tanks, jets and/or mobile laser cannons for one of the monsters to destroy while waiting for the main opponent to turn up.

313 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:04:10pm

re: #299 Lidane

Um, no it doesn’t. I’m a gun owner too and if you are smart and responsible with the damned things, you won’t accidentally shoot anything or anyone.

Heck, I always pull the clip and DOUBLE CHECK there’s no round in the chamber when I’m done shooting.

That woman scares me.

314 erik_t  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:05:20pm

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Heck, I always pull the clip and DOUBLE CHECK there’s no round in the chamber when I’m done shooting.

That means you’re not ready to Stand Your Ground against a zombie or a candy-armed teenager at a moment’s notice.

Fake-ass gun owner!

315 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:06:09pm

My wife walks around with a pair of folding scissors in her purse. She has never had those scissors go off accidentally.

Just sayin’

316 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:06:58pm

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Um, no it doesn’t. I’m a gun owner too and if you are smart and responsible with the damned things, you won’t accidentally shoot anything or anyone.

Heck, I always pull the clip and DOUBLE CHECK there’s no round in the chamber when I’m done shooting.

That woman scares me.

I’ve been around guns, either on the job or as an owner for 20 years now.

Number of “accidental” discharges I’ve been a part of? Zero.

It only happens if you’re a fucking idiot and don’t treat a gun like it is a gun.

317 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:07:01pm

re: #314 erik_t

That means you’re not ready to Stand Your Ground against a zombie or a candy-armed teenager at a moment’s notice.

Fake-ass gun owner!

Depends on the Candy.

318 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:07:45pm

re: #316 Kragar

I’ve been around guns, either on the job or as an owner for 20 years now.

Number of “accidental” discharges I’ve been a part of? Zero.

It only happens if you’re a fucking idiot and don’t treat a gun like it is a gun.

I have had a chocolate bar melt in my pocket on occasion.

319 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:08:03pm

AT&T announces new smartphone with curved screen

Not sure I’d want one of these things.

320 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:08:11pm

re: #310 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d also wonder about the Japanese continuing to build high-rises after the 3rd or 4th time Godzilla (or other monster) rampaged through Osaka or Kyoto knocking them down. All I can figure is that the construction firms had some fantastic kick-back system going. Or maybe how they got away with substituting Styrofoam for concrete?

lol

A friend and I were speculating what would be the real-life consequences of a Godzilla attack on a major urban area, and I said, “That’s one of the few incidents that I’d sincerely describe as ‘apocalyptic’ if actually happened; the casualties not only from collapsed buildings, but indeed, from radiation poisoning would boggle the mind.”

321 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:09:08pm

re: #310 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d also wonder about the Japanese continuing to build high-rises after the 3rd or 4th time Godzilla (or other monster) rampaged through Osaka or Kyoto knocking them down. All I can figure is that the construction firms had some fantastic kick-back system going. Or maybe how they got away with substituting Styrofoam for concrete?

Also, the military must never do an “After Action Review” and “Lessons Learned” since they always do the same ineffectual things for each new monster. Same with the police. I’m not sure who figured that shooting a 50 foot monster with a 9mm pistol is effective for anything other than drawing attention to yourself. (and getting squashed / eaten / flame-blasted). It would be like me firing my trusty M16 rifle against a battle tank. Not wise.

RBS

322 Kragar  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:09:51pm

re: #318 b_sharp

I have had a chocolate bar melt in my pocket on occasion.

How many people died when it went off?

323 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:09:54pm

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Um, no it doesn’t. I’m a gun owner too and if you are smart and responsible with the damned things, you won’t accidentally shoot anything or anyone.

Heck, I always pull the clip and DOUBLE CHECK there’s no round in the chamber when I’m done shooting.

That woman scares me.

Agree.

Reading the story made her even more of an idiot. She was ‘unloading the weapon and following safety procedure and the weapon fired.’ /

If the weapon fired you were not following safety procedures.

324 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:10:35pm
In an Op-Ed for Politico, former George W. Bush adviser Karen Hughes writes that Republicans need to learn from their 2012 losses and “set a tone that is more respectful, positive and inclusive.”

“And,” Hughes continues, “if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of ‘legitimate rape.’”

November 2012

325 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:11:47pm

re: #322 Kragar

How many people died when it went off?

Just me, when my wife washed my pants.

I got better.

326 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:11:59pm

re: #324 FemNaziBitch

RINO!!

327 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:12:21pm

Guys. Forget it. No raising of the minimum wage for you. The answer is to get married.

328 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:12:41pm

I’ve never heard of this website, but the story is wonderful.

329 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:12:54pm

Forget prison and sentencing reform. Just get married.

330 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:13:06pm

re: #327 Gus

Don’t married couples qualify for more tax benefits?

331 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:13:21pm

Forget a long and useless drug war that targets POC. Get married.

332 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:13:44pm

re: #330 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t married couples qualify for more tax benefits?

Meh. For what an extra 2000 bucks?

333 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:14:51pm

Christian governing.

334 Schadenboner  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:15:10pm

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

Um, no it doesn’t. I’m a gun owner too and if you are smart and responsible with the damned things, you won’t accidentally shoot anything or anyone.

Heck, I always pull the clip and DOUBLE CHECK there’s no round in the chamber when I’m done shooting.

That woman scares me.

*Shrugs*
Forget it Cyborg, it’s Kentucky.

335 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:15:17pm

No man is complete until he is married.
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Then he’s done

RBS

336 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:15:27pm

Faith based initiatives. Conservative social engineering. Moving of the goal posts. Culture war wedge issues… GET MARRIED.

337 b.d.  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:15:31pm

re: #327 Gus

Guys. Forget it. No raising of the minimum wage for you. The answer is to get married.

Boss can I have a raise……

No, but I have an unattached daughter, that’s better.

338 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:18:36pm

re: #337 b.d.

Boss can I have a raise……

No, but I have an unattached daughter, that’s better.

How many sheep can you get for a daughter?

339 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:19:01pm

re: #338 b_sharp

How many sheep can you get for a daughter?

No sheep! Three goats and an Ox.

340 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:19:36pm

It’s like the Melons, Carnegies, and Morgan families looking at their tenants from high above telling the people in the slums to get married.

341 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:21:26pm

Excellent article on intersectionality that won’t let me copy to publish a Page.

342 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:21:32pm

re: #328 FemNaziBitch

I’ve never heard of this website, but the story is wonderful.

Brent Bozell RW rag

Doesn’t mean the story is not a good one

343 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:21:57pm

The oligarchy will do or say anything to keep shirking from their social responsibility of paying Americans living wages.

344 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:22:10pm

re: #25 Dr. Matt

I’m no lawyer, but could Christie et al. have been breaking any laws pertaining to interstate commerce by purposely retarding the flow of traffic between two states?

I don’t think so. That doesn’t mean that someone wont try. However, the Port Authority is facing lawsuits over the exceptionally high tolls at the GWB and other bridges/tunnels that were enacted over the past few years to fund transit improvements as impeding interstate commerce. Don’t think that those would be successful either, since the money is going to fund rebuilding at WTC (including PATH), the renovations at the GWB (rebuilding the deck and stringers), raising the Bayonne Bridge and replacing the Goethals, plus airport improvements.

345 palomino  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:29:28pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

You’d lose that bet, since he’s not that foolish. it wouldn’t be a phone registered to him, it’d be registered to a deniable aide.

If he wasn’t so foolish, none of this would be happening.

Your hero is mortal, after all.

Indeed, maybe in Christie’s case you CAN judge a book by its cover: it shouldn’t be shocking that a big loud abrasive man might also be the petty vindictive sort who likes to get even, for no reason other than his ego.

346 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:30:21pm

This country is still stuck in some bizzaro biblical version of things.

347 BusyMonster  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:30:50pm
“Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputies on Christie’s senior staff

Oh, Bridget. is it time for you to learn a new job? One that involves fries?

Please say it’s so.

348 Gus  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:34:34pm

We spent trillions of dollars just to get revenge for 9/11.

349 palomino  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:35:41pm

re: #201 Gus

[Embedded content]

This way Rubio gets to pretend to care deeply for the poor, without having to make any specific policy proposals. Instead, he just throws a traditional marriage bone to the far right, hoping they’ll forgive for his heretical support of immigration reform.

350 blueraven  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:40:32pm

re: #348 Gus

We spent trillions of dollars just to get revenge for 9/11.

Which was just what Bin Laden wanted.

351 ObserverArt  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:43:48pm

So Christie just released a statement basically saying that until today he did know that all of this happened and that he doesn’t do things this way and he is disappointed in his staff and he will get to the bottom of this.

Staff just got tossed under the bus. Will the staff now toss Christie under their bus?

352 dog philosopher  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 1:49:45pm

re: #351 ObserverArt

So Christie just released a statement basically saying that until today he did know that all of this happened and that he doesn’t do things this way and he is disappointed in his staff and he will get to the bottom of this.

Staff just got tossed under the bus. Will the staff now toss Christie under their bus?

yeah, great - so christie never took the trouble to notice that there were traffic problems at his end of the bridge and look into it?

353 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 2:51:05pm

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

I saw the trailer for the new Godzilla and am looking forward to it. Especially after watching Pacific Rim.

354 majii  Wed, Jan 8, 2014 9:34:33pm

I’m not psychic, but I have a well-functioning bullshit detector. I’ve always sensed something evil emanating from Christie when I heard him speak. He always appears to me to be really insincere, egocentric, and slimy as a snail. I can spot self-centeredness and dishonesty 10 yards away. I would never vote for Christie for any reason. Once my BS detector goes off, I go into reject mode. Also, Christie is a bully, and I detest all bullies.


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