1 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:20:21am

Bridgeghazi! NEVER FORGET!!!!!

2 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:22:21am
3 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:24:04am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

>Bridgeghazi! NEVER FORGET!!!!!

FTFY.

4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:24:08am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Needs some yellow highway stripes down the middle.

edit: and safety cones in the above “fixed” version.

5 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:24:48am

LGF has the 5th and 6th listings on Google for “Brideghazi”

6 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:26:59am

What was Christie doing while New Jersey idled?

7 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:28:36am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Typical libtards, beating this dead horse of a nonscandal that has been investigated over and over already so shutup it’s over move on get over it

8 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:28:44am

I think if Christie had any thoughts that he could put all of this behind him today, he gave them up after the second invocation of the 5th by Wildstein.

Is it okay to start using the term ‘stonewalling’ again?

9 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:29:58am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

LGF has the 5th and 6th listings on Google for “Brideghazi”

10 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:30:35am

re: #7 Bulworth

Typical libtards, beating this dead horse of a nonscandal that has been investigated over and over already so shutup it’s over move on get over it

All of this is a distraction to keep people from talking about…

1) Benghazi
2) The Gates Book
3) The complete and utter failure of Obamacare
4) Chemtrails
5) New Coke

11 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:30:40am

I waaaaaaaaant an Ocelot Kitteh!

12 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:30:56am

Seen on Facebook a minute ago:

‘Chris Christie - too big for his bridges.’

13 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:31:36am

heh:

14 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:32:16am

Unlike with Benghazi, a true scandal, we have no more questions about this bridgeghazi thing because all the emails and investigations have been released and we know it all but we still have many, many questions about Benghazi although we know it was a scandal and O should be impeached hells yesss

15 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:32:37am

re: #13 b.d.

So, would he prefer #GWBVendetta? /just asking the questions here. What did you know, and when did you know that Christie’s career light is blinking in the red?

16 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:33:03am

re: #13 b.d.

Ben—you mad, bro?

17 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:34:04am

Good thing this bridge didn’t lead into Gotham. Otherwise Wildstein and maybe Christie would get visits from Batman.
//

18 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:34:28am

re: #13 b.d.

No, no, no, no, Ben. That is not how you troll a thread.

19 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:34:54am

re: #13 b.d.

So now there are multiple idiots praising the #Bridgeghazi hashtag. #Douchenami
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) January 9, 2014

Priceless butthurt from the shabby knock-off of Airwick Erickson

20 Just never mind.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:36:01am

He’s such a stupid…
“Christie: ‘I’m embarrassed and humiliated’”
As well he should be!

21 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:36:15am


Ummm… Not exactly. In fact, wrong. Completely wrong.

Kelly was the only one fired, and should have been the latest in a chain of firings.

Wildstein and Baroni resigned/retired and werent’ fired.

Wildstein just spent the afternoon claiming the 5th in avoiding any statements that might put him in jeopardy of potential criminal charges.

Baroni may soon duplicate him.

And the IRS was going after all political entities seeking nonprofit status, not just TPers. Keep on peddling that nonsense though.

22 sagehen  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:36:24am

re: #15 lawhawk

So, would he prefer #GWBVendetta? /just asking the questions here. What did you know, and when did you know that Christie’s career light is blinking in the red?

it’s official RNC policy to never publicly mention GWB.

23 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:38:15am

re: #22 sagehen

it’s official RNC policy to never publicly mention GWB.

That goes for both the bridge and the former president.

24 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:38:30am

re: #21 lawhawk

Also too, having people fill out extra annoying shitty IRS forms is exactly like intentionally blocking emergency vehicles from serving your state’s residents.

25 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:39:00am

re: #22 sagehen

first rule of GWB club is to never mention GWB.

26 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:39:07am
27 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:39:50am

This is insane, IMHO.

Sign if you wish.

28 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:40:45am

Sweet Jesus, Hannity is dumb as a fucking rock.

29 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:40:50am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

LGF has the 5th and 6th listings on Google for “Brideghazi”

Woh. Charles did some google ninja skills and now LGF is in first place.

30 gwangung  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:41:51am

re: #21 lawhawk

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Ummm… Not exactly. In fact, wrong. Completely wrong.
….

And the IRS was going after all political entities seeking nonprofit status, not just TPers. Keep on peddling that nonsense though.

Political entities seeking non-profit status, which meant they couldn’t do political activities, right?

I’m not sure why they think the IRS SHOULDN’T examine them more closely…

31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:42:50am

re: #28 makeitstop

Sweet Jesus, Hannity is dumb as a fucking rock.

He is not dumb, he has a agenda to promote and a target audience to entertain.

32 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:42:50am

re: #5 Dr. Matt

LGF has the 5th and 6th listings on Google for “Brideghazi”

If anyone pages it, it goes to #1. Amazing how that works.

33 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:42:59am
34 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:43:03am

CNN/ORC Poll. Dec. 16-19, 2013

hillary clinton vs

jeb bush 58/37
chris christie 46/48
ted cruz 57/39
mike huckabee 55/40
rand paul 54/41
rick perry 56/39
paul ryan 52/44
mark rubio 56/37
rick santorum 57/38

um that puts lyin’ ryan in the lead…

35 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:43:16am

re: #22 sagehen

it’s official RNC policy to never publicly mention GWB.

In this case its a matter of fairness, since George W. Bush has never been a man to indulge in petty vindictiveness.

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

36 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:43:56am

What happens when you read Ben Shapiro’s Twitter TL:

37 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:44:46am

BREAKING NEWS - WE STILL DON’T LIKE OBAMACARE….DEVELOPING…

38 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:44:53am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein >did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

Your own vendetta, sure. Your country’s? Yeah, you don’t get to just fucking handwave that away.

If Dubya had wanted to buy an old oil tanker and go take potshots at the coast, rather than get a few of my friends killed, maybe I’d allow him that.

I’m going to go be angry somewhere else for a while.

Fuck.

39 jaunte  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:45:17am

re: #28 makeitstop

Sweet Jesus, Hannity is dumb as a fucking rock.

That could be perceived as geologically insensitive.

40 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:45:46am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein >did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

Lying the US into invading Iraq to solve his daddy issues is the textbook definition of petty vindictiveness.

41 blueraven  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:46:11am

So the redacted emails…who turned them over?
Are we supposed to believe that Christie knew nothing about these emails until yesterday morning? I mean…my God, they were awful. Nobody warned him?

42 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:46:36am

re: #28 makeitstop

Sweet Jesus, Hannity is dumb as a fucking rock.

#LNYHBT

43 jaunte  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:47:11am

re: #41 blueraven

Imagine what he could do with a whole executive branch cabinet to ignore.

44 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:47:12am
45 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:48:15am

re: #34 dog philosopher

CNN/ORC Poll. Dec. 16-19, 2013

hillary clinton vs

jeb bush 58/37
chris christie 46/48
ted cruz 57/39
mike huckabee 55/40
rand paul 54/41
rick perry 56/39
paul ryan 52/44
mark rubio 56/37
rick santorum 57/38

um that puts lyin’ ryan in the lead…

He’s not going to be able to run for president. Paul Ryan has to broker compromises in his role as House Budget Committee Chairman, and that makes him ‘impure’. Moreover, I’m not sure he’d be a very good president. Paul Ryan is very much a ‘details person’, and generalists tend to do better in the Oval Office.

/One man’s opinion.

46 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:48:21am

GOHMERT! is feeling neglected:

47 sagehen  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:48:33am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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The semiotic intent is laughable, but as graphic design I rather like it….

48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:49:41am

As has been pointed out elsewhere…Christie didn’t just throw Kelly et al under the bus, he backed over them repeatedly, took a leak on the corpses and then nuked the whole site from orbit.

He better be damned sure that they can’t come back at him…because a US attorney started an investigation yesterday. Kelly and company will be high on the supoena list…5th amendment notwithstanding.

49 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:49:44am

Cute. I just noticed the quote in the subtitle. Between this and not getting DF’s joke downstairs, I must be especially dim today.

50 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:49:57am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

In this case its a matter of fairness, since George W. Bush has never been a man to indulge in petty vindictiveness.

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein >did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

Ask the families of the dead and maimed how they feel about that vendetta.

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:50:08am

re: #40 Lidane

Lying the US into invading Iraq to solve his daddy issues is the textbook definition of petty vindictiveness.

It was a lot more than that. And all I’m saying is that Bush’s vindictiveness was in my mind not ‘petty’, YMMV

52 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:51:24am

re: #40 Lidane

“His daddy issues”?

As if a plot to kill a former president is just a mental hang up? I’m not saying we should have invaded. But if some tyrant gets caught trying to kill a former President now, i would expect President Obama to respond strongly. Not an invasion, but better be more than a UN angry letter. Or if the next President finds a plot to assassinate Obama I would expect the same.

53 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:53:04am

re: #42 Stanley Sea

#LNYHBT

I really wish Pope Francis would call out the ignoramuses who use that hashtag. I know he has better things to do, but it would make for a truly epic smackdown.

54 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:53:07am

Glen Beck’s new term for the Bridgeghazi:

Fat and Furious

Oh dear…

55 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:55:25am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

It was a lot more than that. And all I’m saying is that Bush’s vindictiveness was in my mind not ‘petty’, YMMV

re: #52 Political Atheist

“His daddy issues”?

As if a plot to kill a former president is just a mental hang up? I’m not saying we should have invaded. But if some tyrant gets caught trying to kill a former President now, i would expect President Obama to respond strongly. Not an invasion, but better be more than a UN angry letter. Or if the next President finds a plot to assassinate Obama I would expect the same.

Meanwhile, almost 3,000 people were actually murdered in NYC and DC, and Bush the younger should have kept his eye on the ball instead of avenging pops.

56 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:56:05am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Can you imagine a tyrant getting caught in a plot to kill a former President and the guy in the oval office just says “meh, moving on…” ?!

57 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:56:45am

re: #54 Aunty Entity Dragon

Glen Beck’s new term for the Bridgeghazi:

Fat and Furious

Oh dear…

christie is in the unfortunate position of having no friends left on the right to come to his defense

58 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:57:02am

re: #56 Political Atheist

Can you imagine a tyrant getting caught in a plot to kill a former President and the guy in the oval office just says “meh, moving on…” ?!

Straw meh.

/

59 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:58:57am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I don’t even want to know how much he paid for that monstrosity.

60 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:59:07am

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

It was a lot more than that.

Sure. It involved yellowcake, and mushroom clouds too. It also involved ignoring the obvious fact that OBL hated secular dictators like Saddam, so bullshitting the nation by trying to create links between Iraq and 9/11 only added to the mountain of lies they told so Dubya could solve his daddy issues.

And all I’m saying is that Bush’s vindictiveness was in my mind not ‘petty’, YMMV

True. He wasted trillions of dollars and cost us thousands of lives with the Iraq invasion.

61 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 11:59:38am
62 piratedan  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:00:08pm

all I can say is that Gov. Christie’s explanation and summation of events has more plot holes than a Gamera movie.

63 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:00:43pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Seems to me we did plenty in Afghanistan by any measure. There is no guarantee it would have turned out any different. Invading iraq was wrong because the weapons were not there.

Let’s try to remember who signed off on regime change as US policy. Pres. Clinton. That case did not get any weaker with the plot. Nor with Saddams subsequent belligerence.

64 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:00:52pm

re: #54 Aunty Entity Dragon

Glen Beck’s new term for the Bridgeghazi:

Fat and Furious

Oh dear…

He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.

65 Gus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:00:58pm

re: #54 Aunty Entity Dragon

Glen Beck’s new term for the Bridgeghazi:

Fat and Furious

Oh dear…

More stupid fat shaming.

66 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:02:27pm

BTW, What Plot to kill Bush Sr.? Sorry if I don’t believe the Kuwaitis who had a lot to gain from some such “news”, having been invaded by Iraq not long before 1993.

67 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:02:58pm

re: #62 piratedan

all I can say is that Gov. Christie’s explanation and summation of events has more plot holes than a Gamera movie.

Objection!

Gamera is friend to all children!

Christie? Not so much.

68 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:03:15pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

“His daddy issues”?

Yes, his daddy issues. I stand behind that firmly.

Dubya’s staff was largely made up of people from his daddy’s administration. They were upset that they didn’t “finish the job” after the first Gulf War and they bullshitted a link between Iraq and 9/11 to manipulate people into supporting invasion.

The Afghanistan invasion made sense. Iraq will always be Bush’s daddy issues war.

69 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:04:00pm

re: #65 Gus

More stupid fat shaming.

When you can’t attack the case, attack the plantiffs

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:04:38pm

Can we just talk about Christie or current events, Please. I’m sorry I even posted about George W. Bush. Lots of folks here are still pissed at him and I should have remembered that.

I’m sorry.

71 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:06:14pm

re: #63 Political Atheist

Seems to me we did plenty in Afghanistan by any measure. There is no guarantee it would have turned out any different. Invading iraq was wrong because the weapons were not there.

Let’s try to remember who signed off on regime change as US policy. Pres. Clinton. That case did not get any weaker with the plot. Nor with Saddams subsequent belligerence.

MBF?

72 piratedan  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:06:15pm

re: #67 Kragar

Objection!

Gamera is friend to all children!

Christie? Not so much.

Overruled!

No such claim was ever made to the context of Gamera’s character…. It’s just that Gov. Christie is obviously working on Plan Z, which is to lure the media into a single location and then launch them into space…… ////

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:06:25pm

re: #69 Kragar

When you can attacks the case, attack the plantiffs

You know who always believed in personalizing attacks when possible?


Saul Alinsky.


/Written in jest.

74 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:06:27pm

re: #28 makeitstop

Sweet Jesus, Hannity is dumb as a fucking rock.

Just carrying Roger Ailes water.

And following just behind with the broom and dustpan…and a bag!

75 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:07:47pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

You know who always believed in personalizing attacks when possible?

Saul Alinsky.

/Written in jest.

Not funny if you actually know anything about the man.

76 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:07:59pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

I really wish Pope Francis would call out the ignoramuses who use that hashtag. I know he has better things to do, but it would make for a truly epic smackdown.

I don’t get it, it’s not religious is it? I believe Hannity started it.

It just cracks me up how weak these lnyhbt peeps are.

77 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:08:18pm

re: #41 blueraven

So the newspapers got some emails released or was it this committee?

78 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:08:40pm

79 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:09:29pm
80 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:09:30pm

re: #78 Dr. Matt

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He’s doing selfie gifs now?

81 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:09:40pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

MBF?

Sorry, the Magical Balance Fairy isn’t available this afternoon. Some her fellow fairies’ friends got stuck in traffic due to the lane closures and thus she’s in her home studying. It is rumored she plans to turn Chris Christie into a newt.


////

82 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:09:50pm


Number of times that Wildstein pleaded the 5th in his hearing this afternoon: Off. The. Charts.

83 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:10:05pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

MBF?

Not at all. The facts stand.

84 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:10:29pm

re: #65 Gus

More stupid fat shaming.

85 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:10:30pm
86 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:10:54pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

He’s doing selfie gifs now?

Sorta mesmerizing, ain’t it?

87 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:11:03pm


Youtube Video

88 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:11:06pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Not funny if you actually know anything about the man.

I was making fun of wingnut shouts of “Alinsky Tactics!!1” aimed at Barack Obama.

89 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:11:54pm

re: #79 Kragar

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‘sic ‘em Tweety!

90 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:12:11pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

I was making fun of wingnut shouts of “Alinsky Tactics!!1” aimed at Barack Obama.

Yeah, I figured. I updinged your next, more successful, effort.

91 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:12:19pm

re: #77 Bulworth

So the newspapers got some emails released or was it this committee?

Newspaper from what I understand.

But newly revealed emails, also obtained by The Record, also show that Christie officials reveled in the lane closures particularly because they would force Sokolich and his constituents to endure some serious traffic woes.

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:12:44pm

re: #84 Lidane

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Retweeted, because its important. Fat jokes make Christie into the victim and the person telling the “joke” into an ass.

93 Gus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:13:01pm

re: #84 Lidane

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Definitely.

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:13:41pm

HURR HURR TEH IRS IS WORSER THEN TEH SLAVERYS!!!!!1!!!1!!!

95 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:14:11pm
96 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:14:16pm
97 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:14:22pm

re: #62 piratedan

all I can say is that Gov. Christie’s explanation and summation of events has more plot holes than a Gamera movie.

But we need a giant fire breathing turtle who flies….

Mitch McConnell??

98 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:14:59pm

So, now we are going to get the Christie Apology Tour of 2014?

Funny if they show him standing outside a locked door to the office of the Mayor of Fort Lee.

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:15:02pm

Yeah but Bryan, it’s also OK if both of them are the same sex.

100 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:15:25pm

Floral, you did get a card for your new relative down in SD, I presume.

zooborns.com

101 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:17:26pm
102 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:17:58pm

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

17 TIMES!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!1

103 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:18:35pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

In this case its a matter of fairness, since George W. Bush has never been a man to indulge in petty vindictiveness.

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein >did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

Got it. Invading a sovereign nation is a-okay to fulfill a vendetta.

Amazing how you can excuse something like that.

104 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:18:50pm

re: #84 Lidane

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Considering how venomous he has been to public school teachers and just about anybody who has asked him a question in public…I don’t give a shit if fat jokes are made at his expense.

He wanted to be an ass…he can be treated like one.

105 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:18:53pm

re: #99 Pie-onist Overlord

American College of Pediatricians: children need both a mother and a father

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) January 9, 2014

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a socially conservative association of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States. The College was founded in 2002 by a group of pediatricians including Joseph Zanga, a past president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), as a protest against the AAP’s support for adoption by gay couples. Per en.wikipedia.org

Shocking.

106 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:18:58pm
107 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:19:08pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Retweeted, because its important. Fat jokes make Christie into the victim and the person telling the “joke” into an ass.

Agreed.

Sad to say, though, that the more that our campaigns revolve around television, the larger part appearance plays in electability. All the Presidents of my lifetime have been fairly tall, slender men. I suspect he loses a percentage point or two nationally on that basis alone.

108 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:19:49pm

re: #99 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah but Bryan, it’s also OK if both of them are the same sex.

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109 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:19:59pm

Hate typos. Fortunately, so few people read my tweets I can delete and repost without getting noticed.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:20:12pm

“IRS SCANDAL” = IRS gives more scrutiny to organizations requesting 501(c)(3) tax exempt status, like organizations that are like all DOWN WITH TEH GUBAMINT!!!11!!!! and TAXES ARE TEH SLAVERYS!!!!11!!!

111 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:21:46pm

re: #108 Kragar

No because shut up. //

112 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:21:57pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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In the end, death comes for us all. But Florence Genova lived a good life, and she raised her children right. Those are the most important things and in reading that story I have no doubt that the Lord received her unto His mercy.

113 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:22:59pm
114 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #47 sagehen

The semiotic intent is laughable, but as graphic design I rather like it….

You know who else had some dynamite graphic art posters and regalia for a few years in the late 30s into the mid 40s???

(And no I am not kidding…I have a book on the History of War Regalia, and some of the designs are quite striking…but the intent and message is scary.)

115 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:23:31pm

Thank you for calling.

Please be assured that your call will be answered as quickly as possible.

Please continue to hold for just a moment longer. We will be on line shortly to answer your call.

So, I haven’t received an unemployment check for two weeks now. The last communication I received from the Department of Labor indicated that “an issue with your claim has been detected.”

I just spent an hour and fifty-five minutes on hold before getting a DOL representative on the line. Earlier last year it usually took about 15 minutes.

The rep was very apologetic; she even offered that the job market was supposed to be good, but they weren’t really seeing evidence of it. I guess with the news about unemployment benefits being discontinued, they’re getting a lot of calls from scared people.

Unfortunately, there was no other way to resolve or even address the problem. I had to call the 1-800 number to resolve the situation; once I got through to the representative, it only took five minutes for her to figure out the problem and tell me they were sending me the paperwork for a continued school waiver.

I’m not specifically blaming Governor Tea Bag here, but he’s long been a believer that people on unemployment shouldn’t be on unemployment; it wouldn’t surprise me if the MDOL staff has gone through a bit of employee trimming as a result of the Governor’s budget cuts.

But I can tell you up front: being on hold for two hours really sucks.

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116 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:23:41pm

Christie’s got a habit of throwing people under the bus when it helps him avoid criticism.

117 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:23:54pm

re: #101 darthstar

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You mean that in the MASH theme song sense, don’t you?

118 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:24:18pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

Considering how venomous he has been to public school teachers and just about anybody who has asked him a question in public…I don’t give a shit if fat jokes are made at his expense.

He wanted to be an ass…he can be treated like one.

That would be fine if it would hurt Christie only. He doesn’t even see it, but thousands of innocent fat people do.

119 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:24:28pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

You mean that in the MASH theme song sense, don’t you?

Basically.

120 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:25:39pm

Stupidity doesn’t stop just because Bridgeghazi is a thing:

121 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:25:42pm
122 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:27:41pm

You know, there is a debate going on in House Judiciary committee regarding No Tax Payer funding for Abortion. Which, is more than it seems.

A panel of 12 men on the House Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on a bill Thursday that would deny tax subsidies to women and small businesses who purchase health insurance plans that include abortion coverage. The bill only makes an exception for rape and incest victims and women who would die without abortion care, which opponents say could prompt the IRS to audit any woman who claims one of these exceptions.

forgive me if I’m not all-up-in-arms about Bridgeghazi.

Chris Christie is off the map for 2016 —

I’m still pissed-off.

123 leftynyc  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:27:41pm

re: #85 darthstar

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I don’t think so - it was probably a jab at the teabaggers that hate him so much for not hating Pres Obama enough.

124 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:27:53pm

re: #115 BongCrodny

Sorry to hear you had to go through this. Hope you can payments restarted.

125 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:27:55pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

It was a lot more than that. And all I’m saying is that Bush’s vindictiveness was in my mind not ‘petty’, YMMV

No, it may not have been. But it may never come to light.

I know one thing…it was always about vindication to me and to many others. The trumped up reasons and the facts after the whole thing went down support vindication more than just about anything else.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:29:06pm

re: #68 Lidane

The Afghanistan invasion made sense. Iraq will always be Bush’s daddy issues war.

And we utterly failed in Afghanistan because of the waste of time, materials, lives & everything else that was thrown away in that utterly needless war of choice in Iraq. Had we simply done the job we started in Afghanistan, the world would be a better place. Now? Looking at AQ taking over Fallujah because we destroyed Iraq and left nothing worth spit in it’s place?

127 Gus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:29:31pm
128 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:29:34pm

Image: ad+mech+spoilers.jpg

I’d shut down some traffic lanes for these.

129 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:30:00pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

That would be fine if it would hurt Christie only. He doesn’t even see it, but thousands of innocent fat people do.

I understand what you are getting at here…and I can stand to loose 70 pounds myself.

Christie’s girth, red faced temper tantrums in public and and propensity to get into the body space of uppity women one third his size who question him are all part of his “Jersey image”. I have no problem using that against him. He is the one who cultivated it!

130 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:30:21pm

re: #117 Dark_Falcon

You mean that in the MASH theme song sense, don’t you?

Sort of like those old movies, set somewhere in India during the days of the British Empire. The Major faces disgrace and ruin due to his actions, the Colonal takes him aside at the club, hands him a revolver, and says “Think of the Regiment my good man”. Last scene, Major sitting in a chair in empty room, fade to closed door, sound of a single shot, cut to credits.

RBS

131 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:30:35pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

A panel of 12 men on the House Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on a bill Thursday that would deny tax subsidies to women and small businesses who purchase health insurance plans that include abortion coverage.

Shorter GOP:

132 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:31:24pm
133 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:32:11pm

Bridgeghazi Backlash: Conservatives Livid Over Hashtag For Chris Christie GWB Scandal

The Bridgeghazi ribbon is in the article.

134 Gus  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:32:31pm

Derp.

BBL

135 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:32:53pm

Mental health break. Also, a great photo:

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:33:22pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

You know, there is a debate going on in House Judiciary committee regarding No Tax Payer funding for Abortion. Which, is more than it seems.

forgive me if I’m not all-up-in-arms about Bridgeghazi.

Chris Christie is off the map for 2016 —

I’m still pissed-off.

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That proposal is an obscene attack on women. There are also women among the 144 co-sponsors.

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:33:44pm

GOHMERT!
“I Became A Congressman To Stop Single Moms From Getting Welfare”
Youtube Video

138 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:34:28pm
Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee have themselves laid out a number of policy priorities worth fighting for. Here are some policy goals that, according to the House Appropriations Committee, would be a good place to start:

It’s a Heritage site. You many not want to click. I find it horrifying.

139 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:35:02pm

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

GOHMERT!
“I Became A Congressman To Stop Single Moms From Getting Welfare”
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Yeah, that is a much better reason than trying to make your country a better place and helping its citizens.
/

140 leftynyc  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:35:04pm

If fox wants to discuss the Gates book all day, how about they tackle this:

nationaljournal.com

In one devastating passage of Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War, Gates writes that the optional war that Bush chose to launch in 2003—the invasion of Iraq—seriously undermined the conduct of the necessary war in Afghanistan, the conclusion of which still bedevils U.S. foreign policy today:

President Bush always detested the notion, but our later challenges in Afghanistan—especially the return of the Taliban in force by the time I reported for duty—were, I believe, significantly compounded by the invasion of Iraq. Resources and senior-level attention were diverted from Afghanistan. U.S. goals in Afghanistan—a properly sized, competent Afghan national army and police, a working democracy with at least a minimally effective and less corrupt central government—were embarrassingly ambitious and historically naive compared with the meager human and financial resources committed to the task, at least before 2009.

141 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:35:06pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

I understand what you are getting at here…and I can stand to loose 70 pounds myself.

Christie’s girth, red faced temper tantrums in public and and propensity to get into the body space of uppity women one third his size who question him are all part of his “Jersey image”. I have no problem using that against him. He is the one who cultivated it!

Complaints about how Christie behaves are different from complaints that he’s fat.

142 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:35:42pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

That proposal is an obscene attack on women. There are also women among the 144 co-sponsors.

Nice, there is lots of media attention on Christie and his bridge, not on the fact that 12 men are deemed qualified to decide the fate of women.

143 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:36:21pm

re: #52 Political Atheist

“His daddy issues”?

As if a plot to kill a former president is just a mental hang up? I’m not saying we should have invaded. But if some tyrant gets caught trying to kill a former President now, i would expect President Obama to respond strongly. Not an invasion, but better be more than a UN angry letter. Or if the next President finds a plot to assassinate Obama I would expect the same.

But you can’t deny that we did invade…so that takes away the whole argument and makes it inexcusable in my opinion. Think of all the costs in treasury and lives for a vendetta. I understand your point, but there are disqualifiers that put it into a territory that made us look like vindictive assholes to the rest of the world. And it took away our standing as one of the moral authorities in the world, it not THE moral authority. We will pay for that for a long time if not forever.

144 Lidane  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

It’s a Heritage site. You many not want to click. I find it horrifying.

That is a laundry list of everything wrong with conservatism. If we enacted even half of it we’d be on our way to Third World status.

145 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:39:42pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Complaints about how Christie behaves are different from complaints that he’s fat.

It is my observation that he used his size as part of his bully schtick. I do not believe you can separate the size from the behavior in his case.

146 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:40:18pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

Can you imagine a tyrant getting caught in a plot to kill a former President and the guy in the oval office just says “meh, moving on…” ?!

Is that what Clinton did? And yes, that is a serious question for discussion.

147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:42:04pm

Using someone’s appearance as an argument for or against them is weak.

Those that do are often heard quoting King’s “Content of one’s character” speech. As you know, some animals are more equal than others.

148 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:42:48pm

re: #145 Aunty Entity Dragon

It is my observation that he used his size as part of his bully schtick. I do not believe you can separate the size from the behavior in his case.

So, you play his game?

Leave his size out of it. Don’t give him the fodder.

149 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:45:39pm
150 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:45:49pm

Chris Christie is out of the game for 2016

151 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:46:19pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Complaints about how Christie behaves are different from complaints that he’s fat.

Also note that we all know stories about “little guy” tyrants…the boss who is 5 foot 4 and obviously compensating by being an asshole.

I do not see where this should be off limits in talking about Christie. He uses his bulk to intimidate in public appearances with constituents who disagree with him, and up until now it was a valued part of his “Jersey attitude” and swagger. (look again at the laughter you see from others as he is yelling at a female school teacher one third his size).

He brought it to the table. He didn’t have to, but he made that choice.

152 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:46:53pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

But you can’t deny that we did invade…so that takes away the whole argument and makes it inexcusable in my opinion. Think of all the costs in treasury and lives for a vendetta. I understand your point, but there are disqualifiers that put it into a territory that made us look like vindictive assholes to the rest of the world. And it took away our standing as one of the moral authorities in the world, it not THE moral authority. We will pay for that for a long time if not forever.

I disagree with the characterization of it as a vendetta for going after GWB’s Dad. The reasoning was a lot more complex, though DEEPLY, DEEPLY flawed. Yeah, Saddam’s going after GHWB no doubt played a part, but more as part of a larger picture of his overall intransigence and thumbing his nose at the rest of the world. Add in the naive belief that all you had to do was topple a dictator and a Western-style, America-friendly democracy would flourish and you have a recipe for disastrous self-delusion. Arguments were made that Iraq was uniquely disposed to Westernization, because it was a SECULAR society, well educated, etc., and unlikely to fall into sectarian conflict. AND Afghanistan was too primitive and too far from the Middle East to serve as a good example.

Seriously. That’s what they were thinking.

153 SteveMcGazi  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:47:12pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

At least he’s only closing one lane.

154 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:47:56pm

re: #151 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also note that we all know stories about “little guy” tyrants…the boss who is 5 foot 4 and obviously compensating by being an asshole.

I do not see where this should be off limits in talking about Christie. He uses his bulk to intimidate in public appearances with constituents who disagree with him, and up until now it was a valued part of his “Jersey attitude” and swagger. (look again at the laughter you see from others as he is yelling at a female school teacher one third his size).

He brought it to the table. He didn’t have to, but he made that choice.

Behavior is one thing, size is another. If he’s using his size, it’s fair game. If not, it’s not.

155 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:52:35pm

re: #152 GeneJockey

…and that little part about “privatizing” Iraq’s oil resources.

156 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:52:50pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Behavior is one thing, size is another. If he’s using his size, it’s fair game. If not, it’s not.

That is exactly what I am contending. He uses his size to intimidate and threaten in public.

atthechalkface.com

The video of that specific encounter was posted by Christie’s office and they have taken it down. All that is left are some photos of him menacing the teacher in question, who says she was shaking when he turned away after screaming at her.

157 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:52:59pm
In 1913 it was legal to mail children. With stamps attached to their clothing, children rode trains to their destinations, accompanied by letter carriers. One newspaper reported it cost fifty-three cents for parents to mail their daughter to her grandparents for a family visit. As news stories and photos popped up around the country, it didn’t take long to get a law on the books making it illegal to send children through the mail. With thanks to Thomas Doty.

from my fb

snopes.com

158 Just never mind.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:56:41pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

{{{HUGS}}}
You’re WAY NOT the only one pissed off here.
Or working to change it!

159 abolitionist  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:56:51pm

re: #156 Aunty Entity Dragon

ComodoDNS is giving me a warning for your link:

This website has been blocked temporarily because of the following reason(s):

Malware

This site contains links to viruses or other software programs that can reveal personal information stored or typed on your computer to malicious persons.

160 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:57:11pm

re: #155 The Ghost of a Flea

…and that little part about “privatizing” Iraq’s oil resources.

“It’ll pay for itself!”

161 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:58:27pm
162 allegro  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:58:32pm

re: #156 Aunty Entity Dragon

That is exactly what I am contending. He uses his size to intimidate and threaten in public.

atthechalkface.com

The video of that specific encounter was posted by Christie’s office and they have taken it down. All that is left are some photos of him menacing the teacher in question, who says she was shaking when he turned away after screaming at her.

What got my attention from that picture wasn’t as much Christie being his asshole self (not surprising at all) - it was his wife standing there grinning and laughing at his unconscionable bullying. Creepy as hell.

163 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:58:42pm

I want a Bridgeghazi Pale ALe

164 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 12:59:07pm

re: #160 GeneJockey

“It’ll pay for itself!”

“We’ll have cheap oil for decades, they’ll be so happy about us invading them!”

165 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:00:50pm

re: #164 Kragar

“We’ll have cheap oil for decades, they’ll be so happy about us invading them!”

After “We’ll be greeted as liberators” and “What we’re seeing are the final death throes of the insurgency”, I cannot understand why ANYONE, ANYWHERE would ask Dick Cheney’s opinion on ANYTHING.

166 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:01:54pm

re: #165 GeneJockey

After “We’ll be greeted as liberators” and “What we’re seeing are the final death throes of the insurgency”, I cannot understand why ANYONE, ANYWHERE would ask Dick Cheney’s opinion on ANYTHING.

“What is a good type of shot to use when you want it to look like an accident?”

167 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:02:09pm

re: #161 Kragar

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I observed the other day that one way to really piss off a Christianist would be to say that they and Satanists believe the same thing. The Satanists just root for the other team.

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:02:09pm
“She shouldn’t have done that,” said Sukhdev Bawa, the owner of Maharaja Quality Sweets and Snacks, but added: “She’s a diplomat — she’s not a regular person. What the police did to her — totally wrong.”


can I scream now?

169 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:02:44pm

re: #166 Kragar

“What is a good type of shot to use when you want it to look like an accident?”

“Sorry my face got in the way of you taking down that dove!”

170 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:03:10pm

re: #158 Just never mind.

{{{HUGS}}}
You’re WAY NOT the only one pissed off here.
Or working to change it!

*smooches*

171 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:03:36pm

re: #107 GeneJockey

Agreed.

Sad to say, though, that the more that our campaigns revolve around television, the larger part appearance plays in electability. All the Presidents of my lifetime have been fairly tall, slender men. I suspect he loses a percentage point or two nationally on that basis alone.

Well, there was a time when weight was seen as a stature over those that couldn’t afford to consume enough. And skinny has had its own negatives. In today’s world they have changed due to correctness and medical related findings.

I am not sure, but the phrase “throw your weight around” may have come from the power and influence that was seen by weighty persons from another time. The phrase still exists, but the root is not discussed most likely due to again correctness and medical reason.

Some people still see weight as an intimidator.

172 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:04:50pm
173 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:05:31pm

Outrage!

Obama makes pitch for ‘Promise Zones’ to boost depressed areas

Obama’s Promise Zones proposal bears some similarity to Paul’s Economic Freedom Zones Act which the Kentucky Republican introduced in the Senate last month.

Paul’s bill would create tax breaks for residents and businesses in areas that have 1.5 times the national unemployment rate, or where at least 30 percent of the residents have incomes below the national poverty level.

Paul’s bill would cut the income tax rate to 5 percent for individuals, families, and small businesses, would trim the payroll tax rate, and would suspend the capital gains tax.

Paul’s proposal is similar to one made 25 years by then Rep. Jack Kemp, R- N.Y., who later became Housing secretary under President George H.W. Bush.

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:06:20pm

re: #173 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

Obama makes pitch for ‘Promise Zones’ to boost depressed areas

Outrage or MBF? I can’t decide, maybe just “Derp”.

175 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:07:45pm

Seriously though, It sounds like a good idea. It’s nice to see people in Washington working together towards actually solving a problem.

176 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:09:30pm

re: #85 darthstar

When did President Obama shut down the government?

177 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:10:07pm

re: #162 allegro

What got my attention from that picture wasn’t as much Christie being his asshole self (not surprising at all) - it was his wife standing there grinning and laughing at his unconscionable bullying. Creepy as hell.

Ditto.

178 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:10:13pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

When did President Obama shut down the government?

He never did. That’s a wingnut fantasy.

179 GeneJockey  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:10:26pm

re: #167 GeneJockey

I observed the other day that one way to really piss off a Christianist would be to say that they and Satanists believe the same thing. The Satanists just root for the other team.

Then you can REALLY piss them off by saying that Christianity just had better PR.

180 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:10:48pm

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

Probably because the IRS thingy was not a scandal.

181 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:10:59pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

When did President Obama shut down the government?

When the GOP said he did, right around the time Ted Cruz and the GOP shutdown the government.

182 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:11:20pm

From The Hill:

Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists

thehill.com

183 Weet  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:13:56pm

It’s the 9/11 anniversary. It’s the first day of school.
My constituents are complaining about the GWB traffic snarl. I don’t call one of the 3 guys I appointed to the PA and ask about it? I don’t have my staff do this?

What kind of Governor ignores this?

Today: GOV. CHRISTIE: (Chuckles.) Listen. You think I’m suggesting any traffic studies anytime soon? (Laughter.) Got to be getting me. I don’t want a traffic study in front of my house, Marsha (sp). (Laughter.) I think I’m out of the traffic study business for certain, never really in it and definitely don’t want to be in it.

Press Conf Transcript

184 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:14:53pm

re: #152 GeneJockey

I disagree with the characterization of it as a vendetta for going after GWB’s Dad. The reasoning was a lot more complex, though DEEPLY, DEEPLY flawed. Yeah, Saddam’s going after GHWB no doubt played a part, but more as part of a larger picture of his overall intransigence and thumbing his nose at the rest of the world. Add in the naive belief that all you had to do was topple a dictator and a Western-style, America-friendly democracy would flourish and you have a recipe for disastrous self-delusion. Arguments were made that Iraq was uniquely disposed to Westernization, because it was a SECULAR society, well educated, etc., and unlikely to fall into sectarian conflict. AND Afghanistan was too primitive and too far from the Middle East to serve as a good example.

Seriously. That’s what they were thinking.

You are certainly allowed that opinion. We may never know. I think I did say it is open for debate because there are so many unanswered questions. And, there are many people that do think it was nothing more than vindication surrounded by the ‘facts’ you list. One thing that has always trouble me is why even after Saddam was captured we seemed to drop the ball on going after the real culprit…Bin Laden? It sort of made it look like the real job was done…mission accomplished! And the simple fact that it was the son that followed the father. Sometimes things are simply explained even with all the reasons that point to other thinking.

I know one thing. If it was vindication, I feel for some souls and how they will ever rest in peace. I couldn’t imagine the burden.

185 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:15:06pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Outrage or MBF? I can’t decide, maybe just “Derp”.

We need to wait and see. There’s a good chance that Luap Dnar will react by blacktracking.

186 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:15:22pm

I can’t believe the Police Department wrote this:

187 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:17:40pm

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

It’s not uber professional but I’m not offended by it.

188 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:17:47pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

From The Hill:

Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists

thehill.com

The Criminals in the so-called Defense Department have trumped that up to justify killing the heroic whistleblower Edward Snowden with a Drone Strike!!!11

189 geoffm33  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:18:24pm

re: #176 Patricia Kayden

When did President Obama shut down the government?

He may have been referring to Ted Cruz //

190 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:18:48pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

From The Hill:

Intel panel: DOD report finds Snowden leaks helped terrorists

thehill.com

IF this is shown to be true, (and I have no reason to doubt it), then all the dudebros are in a really weak position, at best. It also makes it a heck of alot harder to make any arguments for any clemency or immunity.

RBS

191 BusyMonster  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:18:52pm

re: #94 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR TEH IRS IS WORSER THEN TEH SLAVERYS!!!!!1!!!1!!!

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LOL. It could be that the Christie scandal is an actual, real scandal.

No, wingnuts would never for a moment consider that their fake, bullshit, cardboard-cutout movement didn’t pass the smell test to most Americans, would they?

192 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:18:58pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not uber professional but I’m not offended by it.

Few would be. Cops should be pissed at assholes like that.

193 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:19:16pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

We need to wait and see. There’s a good chance that Luap Dnar will react by blacktracking.

Romney is going to call up Paul, “He did the same shit to me.”

194 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:19:28pm

Doge template

195 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:19:59pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

We need to wait and see. There’s a good chance that Luap Dnar will react by blacktracking.

I doubt it since he showed up to the whitehouse press conference for the photo op. I think they’ll take a little from one plan, a little from the other and put something together. Of course the partisan wingnuts will oppose the idea once Obama embraces it and the partisan moonbats will now like the same plan they mocked when Rand Paul suggested it. But in the end something will get done, I’m happy to see it.

196 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:22:10pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Doge template

new venetian ruling class?

197 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:23:07pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

I doubt it since he showed up to the whitehouse press conference for the photo op. I think they’ll take a little from one plan, a little from the other and put something together. Of course the partisan wingnuts will oppose the idea once Obama embraces it and the partisan moonbats will now like the same plan they mocked when Rand Paul suggested it. But in the end something will get done, I’m happy to see it.

ZMOG!!! You mean that there might even be a bi-partisan proposal to actually do good for the people in the country? That there can be a proposal where perhaps each side gives a little bit, and is really trying to improve things? /snark

In other words, there might actually be some practical governing and politics going on.

RBS

198 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:24:15pm

re: #197 RealityBasedSteve

ZMOG!!! You mean that there might even be a bi-partisan proposal to actually do good for the people in the country? That there can be a proposal where perhaps each side gives a little bit, and is really trying to improve things? /snark

In other words, there might actually be some practical governing and politics going on.

RBS

We must stop this madness immediately! It could spread! Mass contagion!

199 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:24:24pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

I doubt it since he showed up to the whitehouse press conference for the photo op. I think they’ll take a little from one plan, a little from the other and put something together. Of course the partisan wingnuts will oppose the idea once Obama embraces it and the partisan moonbats will now like the same plan they mocked when Rand Paul suggested it. But in the end something will get done, I’m happy to see it.

If Rand Paul actually proves willing to negotiate and get a bill passed then I will raise my opinion of him slightly. He will have proved himself to value results to at least a small degree. Though he might suffer wingnut blowback for doing so.

200 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:25:01pm

re: #197 RealityBasedSteve

ZMOG!!! You mean that there might even be a bi-partisan proposal to actually do good for the people in the country? That there can be a proposal where perhaps each side gives a little bit, and is really trying to improve things? /snark

In other words, there might actually be some practical governing and politics going on.

RBS

Stranger things HAVE happened.

201 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:25:07pm
202 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:26:12pm

203 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:26:21pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Seriously though, It sounds like a good idea. It’s nice to see people in Washington working together towards actually solving a problem.

No, if it’s basically Rand Paul’s plan then it does not sound like a good idea.

It is, again, the “if we just cut taxes the economy will recover” plan.

If people aren’t working, they’re paying very low taxes anyway. If companies aren’t hiring because nobody’s buying, nobody’s going to start buying because the overhead goes down a bit.

The Laffer curve is legit, it’s just the inflection point is a lot higher than it is now. In fact an honest valuation of the laffer curve says that we should be increasing taxes. We’d increase government revenues while having no impact on private production. So says the curve.

204 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:28:28pm

Does the NYT even know Teh Blaze exists?

205 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:29:01pm

re: #190 RealityBasedSteve

IF this is shown to be true, (and I have no reason to doubt it), then all the dudebros are in a really weak position, at best. It also makes it a heck of alot harder to make any arguments for any clemency or immunity.

RBS

Oh, don’t worry. GG has Trevor Timm on it, who calls the report “fact free”.


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206 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:30:12pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

207 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:30:15pm

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

Imagine that. The government has been consistent for 40 years that leaking national security secrets is dangerous.

208 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:30:32pm

Also, it looks like the Florida legislature will pass legislation that will amend state laws on aggravated assault and self-defense so that the warning shot Merissa Alexander was given 20 years in prison for firing will no longer be considered a crime in self-defense circumstances.

A important thing to note is that the legislation is expected to contain a section voiding the conviction of people previously convicted whose actions will have been legalized. If signed into law, this would have the effect of voiding the main charge against Merissa Alexander.

209 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:31:14pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Though he might suffer wingnut blowback for doing so.

Meh. The noise machine makes noise but that’s about it.
“The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on”

210 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:32:07pm
211 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:32:15pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Also, it looks like the Florida legislature will pass legislation that will amend state laws on aggravated assault and self-defense so that the warning shot Melissa Alexander was given 20 years in prison for firing will no longer be considered a crime in self-defense circumstances.

Prediction: Florida becomes the capital of warning shots.

No sarcasm intended….at all.

212 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:32:16pm

I think a photoshop movie poster is in order:

Chris Christie in Incurious Bastards

213 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:32:40pm
214 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:33:56pm

re: #210 darthstar

Does that mean he can be formally arrested?

215 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:34:30pm

re: #211 Dr. Matt

Prediction: Florida becomes the capital of warning shots.

No sarcasm intended….at all.

Breaking: George Zimmerman announces plans to move back to Florida.

216 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:35:03pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Also, it looks like the Florida legislature will pass legislation that will amend state laws on aggravated assault and self-defense so that the warning shot Melissa Alexander was given 20 years in prison for firing will no longer be considered a crime in self-defense circumstances.

A important thing to note is that the legislation is expected to contain a section voiding the conviction of people previously convicted whose actions will have been legalized. If signed into law, this would have the effect of voiding the main charge against Melissa Alexander.

Thanks for keeping on on this.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:35:08pm

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

I can’t believe the Police Department wrote this:

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One of my work at home jobs is for a chain of weekly newspapers, in a couple of counties adjacent to where Aurora is located. Among other things, I write up weekly police reports.
I’m not surprised at all at what the Aurora PD wrote because it is a HUGE problem. Not a week goes by where there’s not at least one report of an elderly resident being preyed upon by someone claiming to be a city water/utility worker or (even more common) claiming to be someone who has just purchased a neighboring property and wants to check the location of the property/fence lines. While this is all going on, an accomplice ransacks the house.
Fortunately, more and more of the elderly know about this precisely as a result of local PD and sheriff’s offices educating residents about this, much like Aurora PD is doing.
I have no problem with Aurora PD’s wording.

218 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:36:40pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Also, it looks like the Florida legislature will pass legislation that will amend state laws on aggravated assault and self-defense so that the warning shot Melissa Marissa Alexander was given 20 years in prison for firing will no longer be considered a crime in self-defense circumstances.

A important thing to note is that the legislation is expected to contain a section voiding the conviction of people previously convicted whose actions will have been legalized. If signed into law, this would have the effect of voiding the main charge against Melissa Marissa Alexander.

FTFY

219 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:36:48pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

Imagine that. The government has been consistent for 40 years that leaking national security secrets is dangerous.

Longer than that!
WWII poster - US has always cautioned use sensitive info

220 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:37:17pm


Except they’re dying from a disease caused by the BP spill and not radiation.

221 jaunte  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:37:26pm

222 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:38:01pm

re: #203 kirkspencer

So I went looking. Here’s the fact sheet on the President’s proposal.

Yes it has tax breaks. But unlike Paul’s proposal it also has some grants and other assistance.

In some ways it sort of looks like a small Peace Corps operation with tax benefits added. Direct assistance, funding assistance, professional leadership, team builders assistance, educational assistance (direct and indirect), and oh by the way tax breaks for businesses.

223 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:38:08pm

re: #218 FemNaziBitch

FTFY

Post edited. Thank You.

224 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:38:17pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of of my work at home jobs is for a chain of weekly newspapers, in a couple of counties adjacent to where Aurora is located. Among other things, I write up weekly police reports.
I’m not surprised at all at what the Aurora PD wrote because it is a HUGE problem. Not a week goes by where there’s not at least one report of an elderly resident being preyed upon by someone claiming to be a city water/utility worker or (even more common) claiming to be someone who has just purchased a neighboring property and wants to check the location of the property/fence lines. While this is all going on, an accomplice ransacks the house.
Fortunately, more and more of the elderly know about this precisely as a result of local PD and sheriff’s offices educating residents about this, much like Aurora PD is doing.
I have no problem with Aurora PD’s wording.

I understand the sentiment, but I don’t think the wording is appropriate for a government entity. Separation of Church and State and all that —and use of offending (to some) words.

226 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:43:57pm

GOP Congressman Peddles DOMA 2.0: ‘State Marriage Defense Act’ -

Rep. Randy Weber (R-TX) has introduced the “State Marriage Defense Act,” which would prohibit the federal government from recognizing the marriages of same-sex couples who live in states that don’t acknowledge their union (for instance, a couple who gets married in Iowa and then moves to Alabama). The bill would undermine an Obama administration ruling that recognizes all legally married couples for federal tax purposes.

The Tax Man Commeth for abortion and same-sex marriage.

227 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:45:18pm


Amiri Baraka has a NJ connection (in this all NJ news all the time forum) - he was briefly the state’s poet laureate who caused controversy with a 9/11 themed poem, before the position was abolished.

228 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:45:30pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

Texas. ALWAYS Texas.

229 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:50:06pm

re: #227 lawhawk

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Amiri Baraka has a NJ connection (in this all NJ news all the time forum) - he was briefly the state’s poet laureate who caused controversy with a 9/11 themed poem, before the position was abolished.

The post was abolished specifically to get him out of it.

As a side note, Charles satirized Baraka’s hateful poem Somebody Blew Up America with the LGF Rotating Title “Who blew up da owl?”.

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:53:09pm

re: #224 FemNaziBitch

I understand the sentiment, but I don’t think the wording is appropriate for a government entity. Separation of Church and State and all that —and use of offending (to some) words.

My feeling is that “special place in hell” went mainstream a very long time ago as an expression/idiom with no real religious connotations.
But that’s probably just me.

231 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:55:29pm

232 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:55:52pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Stranger things HAVE happened.

Well, it was good while it lasted. Ted Cruz is being his usual D-bag self…

“It’s altogether fitting that President Obama is today talking about income inequality because income inequality has increased dramatically as a direct result of his economic policies. Out-of-control government spending, debt, taxes, and regulations have killed millions of jobs. Unfortunately, rather than stop Washington’s job-killing policies, President Obama proposes yet more government spending and debt. People need jobs. All of America needs to be a real ‘Promise Zone’—with reduced barriers to small businesses creating private-sector jobs—and we should start by repealing every word of Obamacare, building the Keystone pipeline, abolishing the IRS, and rolling back abusive regulations.”

Ted Cruz’s webpage

233 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:56:51pm

doge template meme

so having silly!

234 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:57:58pm

re: #232 RealityBasedSteve

and we should start by repealing every word of Obamacare

i propose starting by repealing the word “not”

235 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:58:51pm

re: #232 RealityBasedSteve

Well, it was good while it lasted. Ted Cruz is being his usual D-bag self…

>Ted Cruz’s webpage

The bill doesn’t need Ted Cruz’s approval. In fact, his DERPing at it is a sign that the idea is a decent one.

236 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 1:59:22pm

re: #232 RealityBasedSteve

abolishing the IRS

What very serious political leaders we have. /

237 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:00:57pm

re: #234 dog philosopher

i propose starting by repealing the word “not”

And remove the letter “Q” from the alphabet!

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238 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:01:46pm

re: #232 RealityBasedSteve

President Obama proposes yet more government spending and debt…. and we should start by… abolishing the IRS

Fight debt by eliminating revenue. Seems legit.

239 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:03:23pm

re: #238 erik_t

Fight debt by eliminating revenue. Seems legit.

I think the plan is that we’ll make it up in volume.

RBS

240 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:06:04pm

Inscriptions Everywhere! Magical Medieval Crypt Holds 7 Male Mummies

One of the mummies in the crypt (scientists aren’t certain which one) is believed to be that of Archbishop Georgios, probably the most powerful religious leader in the kingdom. His epitaph was found nearby and says that he died in A.D. 1113 at the age of 82

241 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:06:34pm

I don’t know why people think Christie gave a good presser.

I was bored shitless after 5 min because everything he said was just redundancy after redundancy and he just sounded clueless.

Yet Christie droned on for 1-1/2 hrs.

242 Kragar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:07:03pm
243 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:07:05pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

The bill doesn’t need Ted Cruz’s approval. In fact, his DERPing at it is a sign that the idea is a decent one.

More notable would be that Rand Paul’s initial comments on Obama’s proposal are neither an endorsement nor a promise of cooperation. Indeed, he specifically said that “more radical” policy was needed.

244 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:07:21pm

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

I don’t know why people think Christie gave a good presser.

I was bored shitless after 5 min because everything he said was just redundancy after redundancy and he just sounded clueless.

Yet Christie droned on for 1-1/2 hrs.

Expectation management is the name of the game at this point.

245 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:07:35pm

re: #239 RealityBasedSteve

I think the plan is that we’ll make it up in volume.

RBS

Hells yeah, turn it up to 11

246 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:09:40pm

re: #243 The Ghost of a Flea

More notable would be that Rand Paul’s initial comments on Obama’s proposal are neither an endorsement nor a promise of cooperation. Indeed, he specifically said that “more radical” policy was needed.


I though he might do that.

247 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:09:49pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

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That’s my neighbor’s area code.

248 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:09:59pm

The fact that Ted Cruz wants to abolish the IRS is proof that he has zero business being a politician.

249 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:10:34pm

Ruh roh.

Governors Spoke Privately About Bridge Controversy [12 Dec 2013]

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week to complain about a Cuomo appointee’s handling of a growing controversy over traffic pattern changes on the George Washington Bridge, a person familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Christie, a Republican, complained in a private phone call to Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, that Patrick Foye, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was pressing too hard to get to the bottom of why the number of toll lanes onto the bridge from Fort Lee, N.J. was cut from three to one in early September, according to this person. The lane closures occurred without notice to local authorities, officials have said, and snarled traffic for a week in the small borough on the Hudson River bluffs.

…

250 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:11:30pm
“The image is not just of poverty, the image is of moral depravity,” Jeremi Suri of The University of Texas at Austin noted. “The presumption in Reagan’s rhetoric, and it’s not too below the surface, is that these mothers are single mothers because they’ve done something wrong, so they’re an easy target. It’s easy to make the argument that this woman who [had apparently been] immoral in the way she behaves…and we as a government should not encourage that kind of immoral behavior.”

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251 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:13:30pm

All righty.

NJ Lawmaker Wants To Hear From Fired Christie Aide Bridget Kelly Next

talkingpointsmemo.com

More 5th Amendment “testimony”?

252 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:13:50pm
The GOP-backed measure was based on the principle that “Having children out of wedlock is wrong — not simply economically unwise for the individuals involved or a financial burden on society, but morally wrong.” Even Clinton’s Department of Health and Human Services Secretary, Donna E. Shalala, fully embraced the argument in a comment that stigmatized single mothers, telling Newsweek, “I don’t like to put this in moral terms, but I do believe that having children out of wedlock is just wrong,” In fact, the original bill “appropriated $250 million over five years for ‘chastity training’ for poor single mothers.”

No money for sluts!!!

253 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:16:48pm

re: #249 erik_t

Ruh roh.

Governors Spoke Privately About Bridge Controversy [12 Dec 2013]

It’s an anonymously sourced article, so its credibility is suspect. Frankly, I can’t see why Gov. Christie would make a phone call like that to a dyed-blue-in-the-wool Democrat like Andrew Cuomo.

254 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:18:26pm
255 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:18:34pm

1st wingnut: “Christie’s highway robbery was more akin to Obama closing the unattended national monuments to maximize the pain than it was to the clearly illegal activities of the IRS.”

2nd wingnut: “Exactly. How come nothing ever happened after government officials testified that they were told to deliberately make the shut down as painful as possible on the American people?
No one lost their job, no one was held accountable.

My bet is that the Dems drop this one as soon as possible to avoid such comparisons.”

is this true? did “government officials testif[y] that they were told to deliberately make the shut down as painful as possible on the American people”??

256 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:19:18pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It’s an anonymously sourced article, so its credibility is suspect. Frankly, I can’t see why Gov. Christie would make a phone like that to a dyed-blue-in-the-wool Democrat like Andrew Cuomo.

It was published almost a month ago. A Christie spokesman was quoted in the article. Did the spokesman never tell Christie what was said on his behalf?

257 Just never mind.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:19:38pm

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Snow White would have totally bitch slapped him!

258 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:21:56pm
259 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:24:11pm
261 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:24:50pm

re: #252 FemNaziBitch

No money for sluts!!!

That’s the same era that treated divorced women like sluts, too.

But not the men because you know, it was always the women’s fault—they were supposed to stay in the marriage and take anything the man dished out.

I went through it, and the tales I could tell.

262 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:28:24pm

re: #255 dog philosopher

1st wingnut: “Christie’s highway robbery was more akin to Obama closing the unattended national monuments to maximize the pain than it was to the clearly illegal activities of the IRS.”

2nd wingnut: “Exactly. How come nothing ever happened after government officials testified that they were told to deliberately make the shut down as painful as possible on the American people?
No one lost their job, no one was held accountable.

My bet is that the Dems drop this one as soon as possible to avoid such comparisons.”

is this true? did “government officials testif[y] that they were told to deliberately make the shut down as painful as possible on the American people”??

No, it’s false. It’s an anti-Obama screed of faith, but the claim turned out to be made from whole cloth on the part of a Republican congressman.

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:29:52pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

The Poverty Line Was Designed Assuming Every Family Had a Housewife Who Was a ‘Skillful Cook’

Even without reading the article, I can believe that. I can cook (being the stay-at-home parent) for far less money than it would cost to eat already prepared foods all the time. So if the poverty line is drawn with the presumption there was a cook in the family, the amount of money needed to feed the family at a healthy level is quite significantly less.

264 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:34:46pm

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

Even without reading the article, I can believe that. I can cook (being the stay-at-home parent) for far less money than it would cost to eat already prepared foods all the time. So if the poverty line is drawn with the presumption there was a cook in the family, the amount of money needed to feed the family at a healthy level is quite significantly less.

The article is worth reading. It highlights how our statistics are often bullshit.

265 psddluva4evah  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:36:19pm

Graham: Bridge Scandal ‘Reinforces A Narrative’ That Christie Is A ‘Bully’

Graham said that even if Christie wasn’t directly involved in the lane closures, the way he governs influenced his staff.

“If anybody in my office had done such a thing, they knew what their fate would be cause I’m not that kind a guy,” he said. “I just don’t see how people that close to him could have felt comfortable enough to do this if they thought their boss wasn’t of this mindset. Isn’t that just common sense?”

266 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:36:52pm

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

Even without reading the article, I can believe that. I can cook (being the stay-at-home parent) for far less money than it would cost to eat already prepared foods all the time. So if the poverty line is drawn with the presumption there was a cook in the family, the amount of money needed to feed the family at a healthy level is quite significantly less.

from the article:

Keep that history in mind while reading this passage, which I found in a 1992 report by the Social Security Administration on how the poverty threshold came to be:

When the hypothetical family cut back its food expenditures to the point where they equaled the cost of the economy food plan (or the low cost food plan) for a family of that size, the family would have reached the point at which its food expenditures were minimal but adequate, assuming that “the housewife will be a careful shopper, a skillful cook, and a good manager who will prepare all the family’s meals at home.” (bold added)

267 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:36:54pm

re: #251 Justanotherhuman

All righty.

NJ Lawmaker Wants To Hear From Fired Christie Aide Bridget Kelly Next

talkingpointsmemo.com

More 5th Amendment “testimony”?

[magic 8 ball]Signs point to yes[/magic 8 ball]

268 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:38:44pm

re: #265 psddluva4evah

Graham: Bridge Scandal ‘Reinforces A Narrative’ That Christie Is A ‘Bully’

Convene the circular firing squad!

I love this part.

269 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:38:47pm

Any Lizards in Washington State?

270 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:41:35pm
271 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:41:36pm

the housewife will be a careful shopper, a skillful cook, and a good manager

corresponds to the GOP’s tendency to base policies and principles on platonic ideals rather than reality

Looking For Mr Goodbar Invisible Hand

272 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:42:05pm

re: #271 dog philosopher

the housewife will be a careful shopper, a skillful cook, and a good manager

corresponds to the GOP’s tendency to base policies and principles on platonic ideals rather than reality

Looking For Mr Goodbar Invisible Hand

Today, such a housewife is a sign of affluence —not cellphones or refridgerators.

273 palomino  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:46:16pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

In this case its a matter of fairness, since George W. Bush has never been a man to indulge in petty vindictiveness.

And no, Iraq is included in that. Involving the nation aside, Saddam Hussein >did try to kill George Bush the Elder. Unlike refusing an endorsement, that is grounds for a vendetta in my book.

Your Nixon-loving side is emerging again. So you admire political leaders who hold vendettas?

And the reason the GOP doesn’t talk about W isn’t because he’s above the Christie level of petty vindictiveness, though that may be true. It’s because he became very unpopular with the public in his second term, and is primarily associated with two unsuccessful wars and the worst economic crisis since the Depression. Let it go. Bush was your party’s Jimmy Carter, except Bush left even more of a mess when his term ended.

274 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:46:24pm

Tweets of hearing on HB 7 —House Judiciary Committee comprised of men.

275 psddluva4evah  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:46:27pm

Even though Sokolich said that he did not want Christie to come to Fort Lee for an apology, Christie insisted and Sokolich said he was glad the governor stopped by.

“I’m glad he came,” Sokolich said after meeting with the governor. “I indicated maybe it wouldn’t be productive to come up now. It wasn’t to be disrespectful. It was just, would it make more sense to do it when the investigation is completed? The governor insisted, and we would certainly welcome our governor with open arms, as we did.”..

Sokolich said that he believes Christie’s claims that he did not know about his aides’ plans to shut down lanes on the bridge.

“I take him for his word, which is, he didn’t have anything to do with it,” Sokolich said.

276 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:47:37pm
277 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:47:38pm

No surprise.

Millionaires now have the majority in Congress

cnbc.com

“For all of Congress, Democrats are richer than Republicans. Congressional Democrats had a median net worth of $1.04 million, while congressional Republicans had a median net worth of almost exactly $1 million. In both cases, the figures are up from the previous year, when the numbers were $990,000 and $907,000, respectively.

“The Senate is much richer than the House. The median net worth for all senators increased to $2.7 million from $2.5 million. In the Senate, Republicans are richer than Democrats. Senate Democrats reported a median net worth of $1.7 million (a decline from 2011’s $2.4 million), compared with Senate Republicans, at $2.9 million (an increase from $2.5 million).”

Democrats also tend to be older than Republicans, and that probably makes somewhat of a difference in wealth, also.

washingtonpost.com

278 dog philosopher  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:48:40pm

Ancient secrets to save your sex life

i think i’d enjoy a bronze age sex life

279 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:49:48pm

re: #272 FemNaziBitch

Today, such a housewife is a sign of affluence —not cellphones or refridgerators.

A housewife with help.

280 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:49:49pm
281 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:52:49pm
Approximately 15.5 million children are exposed to domestic violence every year, and three women are killed by a current or former intimate partner each day.
282 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:53:36pm

re: #275 psddluva4evah

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I hope that’s just for public consumption. I expect he was being diplomatic, because he sounded furious earlier. No one wants to hold a grudge, but I doubt that Sokolich will allow the apology to suffice for the harm it caused Ft. Lee residents.

283 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 2:55:21pm
284 allegro  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:05:47pm

re: #282 Justanotherhuman

I hope that’s just for public consumption. I expect he was being diplomatic, because he sounded furious earlier. No one wants to hold a grudge, but I doubt that Sokolich will allow the apology to suffice for the harm it caused Ft. Lee residents.

At this point he can afford to be magnanimous. Christie’s ass is in a sling and commupance will be had.

285 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:10:09pm

Best Christie joke of the day.

286 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:12:16pm
Richards agrees, writing, “Until we can get to the point where men and women can complete the same parenting tasks and the reactions are the same, we will have problems. If you want to create a statue for me for taking care of my daughters, create one for the moms who are doing the same damn thing every day for their kids without receiving a ‘Thank you’ or an ‘Ooooh’ or ‘Ahhhh.’ These behaviors should be expected of moms and dads. No exceptions.”

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287 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:14:23pm

bbl

288 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:15:04pm

re: #120 Lidane

They obviously don’t know their history. Capitalism loves fascist states. It’s much more comfortable with this than democracy.

In a democracy all kinds of people, known as voters, get a say in how businesses are run. In a fascist state there are far fewer people in positions of authority and they tend to be very friendly with business owners.

Ask Krupp, Thiessen and Porsche how good business was eighty odd years ago.

289 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:18:40pm

The butthurt grows strong on the right

290 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:18:41pm

re: #285 darthstar

Best Christie joke of the day.

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Now I have an earworm. Which is just fine.

291 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:19:11pm

Doctors say cutting food stamps could backfire

bigstory.ap.org

WASHINGTON (AP) — Doctors are warning that if Congress cuts food stamps, the federal government could be socked with bigger health bills. Maybe not immediately, they say, but over time if the poor wind up in doctors’ offices or hospitals as a result.

“Among the health risks of hunger are spiked rates of diabetes and developmental problems for young children down the road.

“The doctors’ lobbying effort comes as Congress is working on a compromise farm bill that’s certain to include food stamp cuts. Republicans want heftier reductions than do Democrats in yet another partisan battle over the government’s role in helping poor Americans.”

292 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:20:35pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It’s an anonymously sourced article, so its credibility is suspect. Frankly, I can’t see why Gov. Christie would make a phone call like that to a dyed-blue-in-the-wool Democrat like Andrew Cuomo.

I have questions about the sourcing of what was stated in the private conversation between Cuomo and Christie, but as I’ve noted previously, the PANYNJ is a bistate agency where both governors of NY and NJ appoint top executives to the agency. They talk about policy regularly, and this could have been one of those instances.

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:25:26pm

re: #288 Romantic Heretic

They obviously don’t know their history. Capitalism loves fascist states. It’s much more comfortable with this than democracy.

In a democracy all kinds of people, known as voters, get a say in how businesses are run. In a fascist state there are far fewer people in positions of authority and they tend to be very friendly with business owners.

Ask Krupp, Thiessen and Porsche how good business was eighty odd years ago.

Capitalists also like socialist and communist states, if they sell cheap shit. Soviet wheat, Chinese plastic, Angolan minerals….

The thing about the profit motive is that its profit motive all the way down. It doesn’t suddenly shrivel and get ethical when faced with a collectivistic state-controlled economy that can provide cheap goods.

294 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:26:03pm

The PANYNJ page regularly updates with alerts about its facilities - the airports, bridges, and tunnels. Lane closures are regularly posted there.

See the ongoing construction at the Bayonne Bridge, warnings about overnight construction, etc.

Note that updates are posted as needed, whether for the bridges, tunnels, or PATH.

Yet, we’re supposed to believe that access road closure to the GWB, the PANY’s single biggest asset - in terms of vehicle traffic - somehow didn’t rate any kind of warning whatsoever, because they were on double-secret traffic study probation?

That’s what Christie’s cronies want us to believe, and his repetition of “traffic study” as though one existed was to further this notion. If there was a traffic study, or adjustment in lanes at the GWB, it would have been publicized like all the other work and lane adjustments in the past.

It wasn’t. This wasn’t some ordinary move. And Christie knows this.

Heck, other GOPers know this too, but they’re playing for political points - whether it’s against Christie directly, or claiming that this is Hillary at work ahead of 2016 to knock down a potential rival - even as no one has actually declared running yet - except Rep. Peter King.

295 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:26:12pm

re: #293 The Ghost of a Flea

Capitalists also like socialist and communist states, if they sell cheap shit. Soviet wheat, Chinese plastic, Angolan minerals….

Blood diamonds?

296 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:26:19pm

re: #288 Romantic Heretic

They obviously don’t know their history. Capitalism loves fascist states. It’s much more comfortable with this than democracy.

In a democracy all kinds of people, known as voters, get a say in how businesses are run. In a fascist state there are far fewer people in positions of authority and they tend to be very friendly with business owners.

Ask Krupp, Thiessen and Porsche how good business was eighty odd years ago.

Still not great in the winter of 1934, since Hitler had not yet renounced the limitations of the Treaty of Versailles. He actually could not at that point, as he was at that point still the Chancellor of Germany and not yet the head of state.

Krupp was building naval cannon for the cruisers and destroyers Germany was building as well as armor plate in small amounts for the cruisers.

297 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:28:37pm

re: #295 Eclectic Cyborg

Blood diamonds?

Semiconductors and other elements used in electronic devices.

298 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:30:14pm

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

It’s an anonymously sourced article, so its credibility is suspect. Frankly, I can’t see why Gov. Christie would make a phone call like that to a dyed-blue-in-the-wool Democrat like Andrew Cuomo.

Because they’re the governors of the two states involved and both have joint oversight of the Authority. Also you seem to have conveniently missed the part where one of Christie’s spokesman says the two governors talk frequently.

A spokesman for Mr. Christie said the governor talks to Mr. Cuomo regularly “on any number of mutual-interest topics. Those conversations are private.”

In other words, yes it happened but it’s supposed to be private so they’re not going to talk about it because it tends to paint Christie as a corrupt, vindictive turd pile.

299 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:34:06pm

re: #289 b.d.

The butthurt grows strong on the right

[Embedded content]

Not just from the right. I’m the son of an American diplomat and my father died in the line of duty. I find it distasteful too.

300 thedopefishlives  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:34:33pm

Evening Lizardim.

301 freetoken  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:36:03pm

GOP rebranding, still a work in progress:

Lawmakers from area line up bills

[…]

The first day of session Wednesday was a ceremonial and planning day, as legislators await the serious work next week, when committees begin to meet to take up bills, said Del. Richard P. “Dickie” Bell.

Bell, R-Staunton, introduced a bill inspired by a Tennessee law that would shield public school teachers from punishment if classroom science discussions veer into controversial theories, Bell said.

Critics have called the proposal a Creationism bill or suggested that it promote one side or the other on the global warming debate, but that’s not its intention, Bell said.

Teachers shouldn’t pick sides, but also should not be discouraged from discussing different viewpoints, Bell said.

“We know that there are teachers who encourage the free flow of discussion, and that allows students to develop critical thinking skills,” he said.

[…]

302 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:38:22pm

re: #256 erik_t

It was published almost a month ago. A Christie spokesman was quoted in the article. Did the spokesman never tell Christie what was said on his behalf?

So far Christie’s only defense is that he’s the most incredibly credulous and incurious motherfucker ever to hold office anywhere. In the midst of repeated denials about this specific scandal his people start resigning unexpectedly, some are quoted in newspapers like the WSJ, and he shows absolutely zero goddamned initiative or interest in figuring out what the fuck is has been going on in his own office.

Apparently that’s what passes for leadership in GOP circles. He’s so much toast now, his 2016 GOP primary opponents are going to attack him relentlessly over this, and it’s going to bring out the absolute worst in his already stunningly awful, combative personality.

303 b.d.  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:38:57pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

Not just from the right. I’m the son of an American diplomat and my father died in the line of duty. I find it distasteful too.

The blame falls on the ones who cheapened the deaths by using them as nothing but props for a political witch hunt. That is my take and you are certainly entitled to yours Killgore Trout.

Your opinion I respect, theirs not at all.

304 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:39:09pm

Those on the right so livid that the name “Bridgeghazi” is disrespectful to those that died that day need to be told 2 things:

1) we are not making fun of the terrible tragedy that happened to those 4 and their loved ones. We are making fun of those that have sought to use that tragedy for political gain; and

2) The reality is that the deliberate and reckless act of a GOP administration in trying to exact revenge on a political foe at the expense of American citizens (and possibly contributing to the death of one person in doing so) is far more egregious than a Democratic administration having insufficient foresight to prevent an attack by terrorists or militant crowds on their consulate in a hostile environment.

305 Snarknado!  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:41:59pm

Maybe we should just go back to “bridgegate.”

306 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:43:07pm

re: #278 dog philosopher

Ancient secrets to save your sex life

i think i’d enjoy a bronze age sex life

How much earlier do I hit my Bronze Age before I enter my Golden Years?

RBS

307 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:44:03pm

re: #303 b.d.

The blame falls on the ones who cheapened the deaths by using them as nothing but props for a political witch hunt. That is my take and you are certainly entitled to yours Killgore Trout.

Your opinion I respect, theirs not at all.

I find it offensive but I’m not overly bothered by it. I’ve come to expect it and I consider it more of a reflection on people using the term because they think it’s funny. They’d mock anyone’s death if they thought it was a political “win”, I can’t take it seriously or personally.

308 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:44:46pm

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Victim of domestic violence - been there, done that.

My younger brother still wonders why I have such an aloof relationship with my dad.

309 freetoken  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:45:38pm

This is America, 2013 2014:

John Brock: The Universe is both dying and evolving? How can that be?

On the dawn of this New Year, there are many things in this world that I don’t understand. Too many, in fact.

For instance, some folks persist in telling us that the universe was created by some gigantic celestial accident – a “Big Bang.” And things have evolved ever since. But have they?

According to the evolutionists, exploding pieces of mass became suns, comets and planets – and us. [ed: no, that would be cosmologists, not “evolutionists”.]

[…]

They claim they can “prove” all of this through fossils, mathematics and conjecture. Conjecture? Sounds like an unproven “theory” to me. Yet, these folks are succeeding in having any alternative view prohibited from public school curricula. I suppose this is another example of evolution or should I say, “Survival of the fittest.” They have certainly managed the courts very well of late.

For generations, those who believed in a world created by a Supreme Being were allowed their say. Now, because of a few vocal folks and Political Correctness, the discussion is no longer allowed in some public venues. During all of those years of tolerance for opposing views, I can’t point to a single incident where someone was damaged by the illumination of the spiritual concept of creation.

[…]

My goodness, when I was in public school, we were taught all about the Roman and Grecian gods – Zeus, Apollo, Jupiter, Cupid, Diana and the whole host of mythical beings. I don’t really think my generation was harmed by this exposure and never was a single student ever converted to the worship of antique statues.

[…]

Seems to me, both sides deserve equal exposure but to the secularist Darwinists, the creation of a world whose initial creation cannot be explained is “Science” but an “Intelligent Design” concept belongs to religion and, therefore, should not be sanctioned in a public setting.

But here’s the main point I don’t understand:

The same “scientists” who instruct us in the process of “evolution” of life are the very same folks who tell us the world is “winding down.” As I understand it, from the moment of the Big Bang, they assert the universe is expanding but slowing down; the sun is cooling off; the orbits of planets are slowing (We just added a second to earth time a year or two ago because of this slowing down) and the universe as we know it is slowly dying. [ed: this is all nonsense, and conflates 2nd law of thermodynamics with some unidentified idiocy.]

Now, how can the universe be both dying and evolving at the same time. They don’t have a sensible explanation for this question either.

So, if you please, I will continue to hold to my beliefs that “God”, as I know Him, did, indeed, create the universe and life therein. […]

Why can’t we just let folks make up their own minds by tolerating discussion of both views in the public arena – including our schools!

John Brock is a retired newspaper editor/publisher and college professor who lives in Georgetown County and can be reached by mail at this newspaper or via Email: brock@johnbrock.com.

310 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:47:21pm

re: #309 freetoken

This is

:

John Brock: The Universe is both dying and evolving? How can that be?

Now, how can the universe be both dying and evolving at the same time. They don’t have a sensible explanation for this question either.

It could be that you need to pick up a dictionary, you fucking ignoramus. Words mean things. Heat death is not death; progression according to physics is not evolution.

Jesus H. Christ.

311 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:51:13pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

Not just from the right. I’m the son of an American diplomat and my father died in the line of duty. I find it distasteful too.

Then you have an opinion about the ghoulish cause celebre that is the entirety of the Benghazi warcry. The passion to cripple Obama at all costs brought the whole damn tribe out to dance on the graves of 4 men who died in line of duty.

312 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:51:25pm
313 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:52:09pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

Don’t be silly. Obama’s different.

314 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:54:19pm
315 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:54:52pm

Predict that if Christie makes it to the 2016 GOP debates the term “asleep at the wheel,” will be leveled at him more than once.

And that’s his best possible outcome from all this.

316 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:57:30pm

re: #309 freetoken

This is America, 2013 2014:

John Brock: The Universe is both dying and evolving? How can that be?

Well, my “opinion” is that the “writer” really “needs” to get a basic “education”. Let’s “start” with the “proper” use of “quotes”. Yes, you can use quotes to indicate a word is being used ironically or with some reservation, but I doubt that most of the users are aware of the rule.

My rule of thumb, any screed with 2 or more scare quotes earns -5 on it’s saving throw for being accepted as serious.

RBS

317 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:58:26pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

I do have an opinion which I have shared many times. Although I’m interested in what happened in Benghazi the partisan investigation is mostly motivated by looking for dirt and scandal. My interest is separate from the congressional investigation.

318 freetoken  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 3:58:28pm

re: #316 RealityBasedSteve

The writer doesn’t care - it is a propaganda piece intended to keep the religious feeling victimized and make sure they don’t leave the fold.

319 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:00:14pm

re: #310 erik_t

It could be that you need to pick up a dictionary, you fucking ignoramus. Words mean things. Heat death is not death; progression according to physics is not evolution.

Jesus H. Christ.

He didn’t mention that his education about other gods was not in science class but in comparative religion or history class. if he wants his particular sect taught in those same classes then he already has his wish, as far as I know Christianity has not been removed from classes outside of science. His comment was a bit of a bait and switch.

His inability to understand that evolution is change in response to environmental change and doesn’t include physics before life shows his dishonest or possibly confused attempt at misinformation.

I was going to list the fallacies he made but there are too many to bother with.

320 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:00:24pm

re: #318 freetoken

The writer doesn’t care - it is a propaganda piece intended to keep the religious feeling victimized and make sure they don’t leave the fold.

Well, he should care!!!!! It makes me angry. And you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. (actually some people don’t like me any of the time)

RBS

321 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:01:45pm

re: #319 b_sharp

He didn’t mention that his education about other gods was not in science class but in comparative religion or history class. if he wants his particular sect taught in those same classes then he already has his wish, as far as I know Christianity has not been removed from classes outside of science. His comment was a bit of a bait and switch.

His inability to understand that evolution is change in response to environmental change and doesn’t include physics before life shows his dishonest or possibly confused attempt at misinformation.

I was going to list the fallacies he made but there are too many to bother with.

You can’t. I think his fallacies have fallacies of their own. There may even be a recursive fractal fallacy being invoked.

RBS

322 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:01:56pm

re: #320 RealityBasedSteve

Well, he should care!!!!! It makes me angry. And you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. (actually some people don’t like me any of the time)

RBS

We don’t like you either.

323 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:02:38pm

re: #322 b_sharp

We don’t like you either.

I’m telling Charles you were mean to me.

RBS

324 erik_t  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:02:52pm

re: #319 b_sharp

I was going to list the fallacies he made but there are too many to bother with.

There’s little point in worrying about minor fallacies when the entire argument (so to speak) is based on completely false pretenses and a wholesale misunderstanding of the basic concepts under discussion.

325 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:03:30pm

re: #321 RealityBasedSteve

You can’t. I think his fallacies have fallacies of their own. There may even be a recursive fractal fallacy being invoked.

RBS

That fact was dawning on me. Fractal Fallacy. Cool band name. Fractal Phallicy is also good.

326 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:03:50pm

re: #323 RealityBasedSteve

I’m telling Charles you were mean to me.

RBS

He told me to do it.

327 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:04:40pm

re: #325 b_sharp

That fact was dawning on me. Fractal Fallacy. Cool band name. Fractal Phallicy is also good.

Hey, that describes Ted Cruz. At every level imaginable, from the largest to the smallest, the man is still a dick.

RBS

328 darthstar  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:04:47pm
329 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:06:03pm

re: #326 b_sharp

He told me to do it.

[RBS High-Fives b_sharp] Well done!!!! I needed a couple of good laughs this evening, this exchange as provided them for me.

RBS

330 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:07:33pm

Pressure Mounts on Reid as 58 Senators Back Iran Sanctions
I don’t think he’s going to allow the vote, there might be enough votes to make it veto-proof and Obama seems to have his foreign policy centered around a deal with Iran. Without a deal he’s just created a lot of instability for nothing.

331 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:07:42pm

re: #327 RealityBasedSteve

Hey, that describes Ted Cruz. At every level imaginable, from the largest to the smallest, the man is still a dick.

RBS

That had me LOLing. The wife asked what the joke was. I just said “Ted Cruz”. She understood.

332 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:08:24pm

re: #329 RealityBasedSteve

[RBS High-Fives b_sharp] Well done!!!! I needed a couple of good laughs this evening, this exchange as provided them for me.

RBS

Glad to help bro.

333 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:25:00pm

re: #298 goddamnedfrank

Because they’re the governors of the two states involved and both have joint authority over the Authority. Also you seem to have conveniently missed the part where one of Christie’s spokesman says the two governors talk frequently.

In other words, yes it happened but it’s supposed to be private so they’re not going to talk about it because it tends to paint Christie as a corrupt, vindictive turd pile.

Frank, I’m routinely skeptical of such articles. Don’t read my words in that post as a defense of Chris Christie. I just found it hard to believe that Christie would be that foolish.

334 Green Alien  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:41:46pm

re: #20 Just never mind.

Duh! Genius.

335 Green Alien  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 4:42:33pm

re: #46 Lidane

Heh, heh.

336 No Country For Old Haters  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 5:02:40pm

re: #13 b.d.

337 No Country For Old Haters  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 5:06:04pm

re: #289 b.d.

338 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 5:19:53pm

re: #321 RealityBasedSteve

You can’t. I think his fallacies have fallacies of their own. There may even be a recursive fractal fallacy being invoked.

RBS

Those are pretty

339 sunnygal  Thu, Jan 9, 2014 6:13:55pm

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

I live in the Puget Sound area. Nine years near Seattle and 14 years across the Sound in Kitsap County. Why?


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