Another View of Saturn’s Surprisingly Hexagonal North Pole

A sweet six-sided jet stream
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Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute

Earth’s jet stream is a subject of intense interest and concern thanks to its effects on our weather. Saturn’s polar jet stream, seen here, causes no such worries for Earthlings, so we can simply marvel at its graceful form.

This atmospheric feature was first observed by Voyager and was dubbed ‘the hexagon’. To see more of this feature, see PIA10486 and PIA11682.

This view looks toward the north pole of Saturn from about 53 degrees above the ringplane. The image was taken with the Cassini spacecraft wide-angle camera on July 23, 2013 using a spectral filter sensitive to wavelengths of near-infrared light centered at 752 nanometers.

The view was obtained at a distance of approximately 590,000 miles (949,000 kilometers) from Saturn and at a Sun-Saturn-spacecraft, or phase, angle of 52 degrees. Image scale is 35 miles (57 kilometers) per pixel.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the mission for NASA’s Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. The Cassini orbiter and its two onboard cameras were designed, developed and assembled at JPL. The imaging operations center is based at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo.

For more information about the Cassini-Huygens mission visit:
saturn.jpl.nasa.gov
nasa.gov

The Cassini imaging team homepage is at:
ciclops.org

Via photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov

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293 comments
1 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:23:08pm

Science rules.

2 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:26:36pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Science rules.

I enjoyed reading through a thread over on the JREF by someone with an “alternative theory of physics” - basically, a relativity-denying crackpot. He claimed that scientific fraud is widespread and that we should abandon mainstream science. It was entertaining to see how badly he failed at math.

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:27:40pm

Imagine the Allen Wrench that fits Saturn’s north pole.

4 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:28:12pm

re: #2 thedopefishlives

I enjoyed reading through a thread over on the JREF by someone with an “alternative theory of physics” - basically, a relativity-denying crackpot. He claimed that scientific fraud is widespread and that we should abandon mainstream science. It was entertaining to see how badly he failed at math.

Math is always the tell.

5 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:29:17pm

Obviously faked.

No globular clusters.

6 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:31:34pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Imagine the Allen Wrench that fits Saturn’s north pole.

I’ve got one of those in my toolbox somewhere. 500,000 km sound about right?

7 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:32:06pm

That’s obviously chemtrails.

/

8 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:32:50pm

re: #6 thedopefishlives

Whoops. That’s bigger than the whole planet by an order of magnitude. Try more like 15,000 km. Guess I can downsize my toolbox.

9 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:34:23pm

It looks suspiciously designed.

What are those aliens planning?

10 Dr. Matt  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:36:09pm

Worst.Photoshop.Ever

11 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:36:40pm

re: #9 b_sharp

It looks suspiciously designed.

What are those aliens planning?

Well, it’s obvious. That’s the mark from the mold they made Saturn in, it’s where they injected all the “saturn stuff”.

Duh.

RBS

12 PT Barnum  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:37:53pm

You know any time I feel really stupid, I just go to the comments at Yahoo news and I immediately feel better about myself.

13 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:40:15pm

re: #12 PT Barnum

You know any time I feel really stupid, I just go to the comments at Yahoo news and I immediately feel better about myself.

Yeah, pretty much.

Its the people of Walmart for the web

14 RealityBasedSteve  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:40:27pm

re: #12 PT Barnum

You know any time I feel really stupid, I just go to the comments at Yahoo news and I immediately feel better about myself.

It’s like when I was in the Army. At noon we would all grab our lunches and go to the conference room to watch Jerry Springer. No matter how bad your day was, no matter how messed up you thought you were, you could watch Jerry and feel pretty good about yourself afterwards.

RBS

15 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:45:04pm

G’night slimy ones.

16 PT Barnum  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:45:58pm

re: #14 RealityBasedSteve

It’s like when I was in the Army. At noon we would all grab our lunches and go to the conference room to watch Jerry Springer. No matter how bad your day was, no matter how messed up you thought you were, you could watch Jerry and feel pretty good about yourself afterwards.

RBS

I’ve been having a really rough week. We forgot about an automatic payment and bounced a bunch of checks, my car’s wheel bearings are going out on one side or the other on the front end, everything hurts and my wife is making me watch idiots on TV talking to themselves in the dark.

What the hell do auditions for ghost hunting shows consist of? Talking to yourself in the dark and starting at everything?

17 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:49:01pm

re: #16 PT Barnum

My sympathies.

And yes, apparently that is what auditions for ghost hunting shows consist of.

18 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:49:40pm

Egypt ‘turnout ‘high’ in boycotted referendum - officials

A senior interior ministry official told a private TV channel that turnout in the vote may exceed 55%, Reuters news agency said. He said preliminary results indicated that approval of the constitution may be more than 95%.

However, turnout was reported to be low in Muslim Brotherhood strongholds.

Mr Salib did not give a figure for voter turnout but said results were expected to be announced on Friday. State TV said initial results showed 50% turnout with more than 90% voting yes.

“The turnout will be the highest if compared to past polls,” he was quoted as saying.

19 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:53:58pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

A police station was set on fire in the Cairo suburb of Heliopolis but voting was generally peaceful on Wednesday

20 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:54:58pm

re: #16 PT Barnum

Depending on the car, wheel bearings can either be real easy or a royal PITA to do. My Rabbit required a bearing press. The Mrs. Fish’s Town Car has integrated bearing/hub assemblies that are replaced as a unit and are relatively painless.

21 chadu  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:56:11pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Imagine the Allen Wrench that fits Saturn’s north pole.

That’s gotta be a euphemism for something.

22 chadu  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:56:49pm

re: #5 Kragar

Obviously faked.

No globular clusters.

Have you checked the heat maps?

23 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:58:07pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

heh
Critics say the new charter favours the army at the expense of the people, and fails to deliver on the 2011 revolution.

24 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:59:05pm

re: #19 sattv4u2

A police station was set on fire in the Cairo suburb of Heliopolis but voting was generally peaceful on Wednesday

“generally peaceful” is the best we can hope for. Some Egyptians officials have been making noise about possibly cleaning house in Gaza if things become generally less peaceful. Could be a positive development for the region.

25 darthstar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 6:59:34pm

RELEASE THE KAGAN!


(apparently, the artist rendering of her debating with the anti-abortion attorney was a “come at me bro” kind of pose, so now she’s got a meme)

26 darthstar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:00:02pm
27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:02:13pm

re: #23 sattv4u2

heh
Critics say the new charter favours the army at the expense of the people, and fails to deliver on the 2011 revolution.

I still have hope that the military won’t go apeshit and declare itself permanent rulers but anything can happen.

28 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:03:43pm

re: #26 darthstar

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I was thinking “THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!”

29 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:04:24pm

From earlier

The Battle

Image: 19713-1366x768.jpg

30 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:07:17pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

I still have hope that the military won’t go apeshit and declare itself permanent rulers but anything can happen.

So far, they seem to be restrained (since Morsi was ousted) But it’s only been since July that he left

Agree that i hope they don’t power grab now after the promised referendum has passed (or not passed)

31 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:27:00pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Imagine the Allen Wrench that fits Saturn’s north pole.

Ikea probably has it in a warehouse somewhere.

32 klys  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:31:44pm
33 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:33:53pm

re: #32 klys

Bamboo.

“Hey ,,, you,,, on the left ,, stand up straight. This is going to be the official group photo”

34 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:34:21pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

“Hey ,,, you,,, on the left ,, stand up straight. This is going to be the official group photo”

The Larch is photobombing.

35 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:35:49pm


Translate page. From. Google.

36 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:36:57pm

Hmm. Code kills the translation.

37 klys  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:37:48pm
38 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:41:20pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

“Hey ,,, you,,, on the left ,, stand up straight. This is going to be the official group photo”

Too much baijiu the night before …

39 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:57:32pm
40 freetoken  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 7:58:53pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Imagine the Allen Wrench that fits Saturn’s north pole.

Aha! So you finally admit that Saturn is a created thing, by an Engineer so great as to make planets.

Gases don’t form hexagons.
There is a hexagon in Saturns’ atmosphere.
Therefore, God created Saturn.

41 Belafon  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:00:56pm

re: #40 freetoken

Or Slartibartfast.

42 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:03:43pm

re: #41 Belafon

Or Slartibartfast.

He would have used more fjords because they give a “baroque” feel to it.

43 Lidane  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:10:48pm
44 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:15:24pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

45 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:19:31pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Science rules.

The beauty of God’s design.

46 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:20:15pm

re: #43 Lidane

So, is that a slab of soy?

48 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:21:12pm

re: #40 freetoken

But what if God created hexagons?

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:21:23pm

re: #39 Kragar

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I’ve been curious to see if MSNBC pundits are talking about net neutrality since Comcast owns them. I watched yesterday (my computer was in the shop) but it was all bridge scandal coverage.

51 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:22:20pm
52 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:22:37pm

re: #37 klys

What do you mean, it’s your desk?

“If I only had thumbs…”

53 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:22:39pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

That’s a serious hat.

And a serious boy.

54 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:23:19pm

re: #53 Gus

And a serious boy.

Probably feeding his family on his wages.

55 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:24:03pm

re: #54 prairiefire

Probably feeding his family on his wages.

Helping feed.

56 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:28:33pm
57 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:28:53pm
59 darthstar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:31:22pm

Those were the days…when kids were kept where they belong…a mile underground with a shovel.

60 Kragar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:32:42pm

re: #59 darthstar

Those were the days…when kids were kept where they belong…a mile underground with a shovel.

And they were just happy to have the work.

61 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:33:26pm

re: #58 Gus

Ahhh, Child labor.

62 darthstar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:34:34pm

re: #60 Kragar

And they were just happy to have the work.

You never heard them complaining!

63 Gus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:34:42pm

It’s part of our history. There’s some pride in their too. There are families. Work. Sacrifice in addition to labor abuse. It’s complex. Something that can’t be whittled down to 21st century Twitter sound bites and blogs.

64 darthstar  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:35:21pm

re: #61 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

Ahhh, Child labor.

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Some day, if you’re lucky, you’ll be old enough to make someone to replace you.

65 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:37:41pm

re: #59 darthstar

Those were the days…when kids were kept where they belong…a mile underground with a shovel.

Learning the value of hard work instead of wasting their time on a liberal education that would lead them astray.
/

66 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:43:12pm

re: #63 Gus

Aye.

67 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:43:43pm

re: #65 calochortus

Learning the value of hard work instead of wasting their time on a liberal education that would lead them astray.
/

And if they go to school, they should clean the school, too! Why spend precious money hiring custodians?

68 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:45:42pm

re: #63 Gus

It’s part of our history. There’s some pride in their too. There are families. Work. Sacrifice in addition to labor abuse. It’s complex. Something that can’t be whittled down to 21st century Twitter sound bites and blogs.

It’s interesting to think about these aspects of our cultural history. Back then kids worked in mines, today they can affordably potty train with an iPad.

69 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:48:42pm

re: #63 Gus

It’s part of our history. There’s some pride in their too. There are families. Work. Sacrifice in addition to labor abuse. It’s complex. Something that can’t be whittled down to 21st century Twitter sound bites and blogs.

Largely expendable and illiterate children dodging minecarts while wearing burning oil lamps on their heads. Driving down the cost of labor so that rich mine owners generate the profits needed to pay Pinkerton strike breakers.

Like Donkey Kong Country, but with black lung.

Thank God for the Fair Labor Standards Act and OSHA.

70 Lidane  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:49:02pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

It’s interesting to think about these aspects of our cultural history. Back then kids worked in mines, today they can affordably potty train with an iPad.

A century of technological evolution will do that.

Kids don’t work in mines here in the States because they don’t have to. Aside from compulsory education which mandates that they spend time in school, we’ve sufficiently advanced enough compared to the way things were back then that we don’t require an 8 year old’s wages from the mines in order to survive.

71 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:53:46pm

re: #70 Lidane

A century of technological evolution will do that.

Kids don’t work in mines here in the States because they don’t have to. Aside from compulsory education which mandates that they spend time in school, we’ve sufficiently advanced enough compared to the way things were back then that we don’t require an 8 year old’s wages from the mines in order to survive.

Also, the world had become smaller. Our children don’t have to work, but their clothing, toys, and even potty training Ipads are made by kids elsewhere who do have to work. We’ve just outsourced the jobs to other people’s kids.

72 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:55:06pm

re: #63 Gus

My dad had to quit school during the depression to go work in a factory in the south. He was 9 years old.
He was paid 1/4 of what the other older men were making but expected to do the same job. When he was 11, he went to his boss and told him he wanted a raise. When the boss said no, the grown men he worked with said he kept up with them and deserved to make as much as they do. When his boss still said no, the other guys threatened to walk off the job. My Dad got his raise.
He left the south to move up North and out of the hills, where there was more opportunity, less exploitation (trust me, the south was bad about exploitation) and better education.
He did not want my brother and I to get jobs while we were young, because he wanted us to concentrate on education.
At a very young age, he had to learn how to hunt for food out of necessity. He never could understand why people would want to hunt if they didn’t have to.

73 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:56:49pm

re: #70 Lidane

We’ve sufficiently advanced enough compared to the way things were back then that we don’t require an 8 year old’s wages from the mines in order to survive.

We never did. It was always exploitation. Industrialization wasn’t intended to lift all boats, but the same economics that had previously driven child labor on isolated family farms wasn’t strictly speaking necessary. Society created the conditions that “necessitated” putting lower class children to work in mines and factories because it served to keep the rich and powerful rich and powerful.

74 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 8:57:15pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

Thank God for the years’ long work of stubborn liberal American wymyyn. “Lord, won’t those old biddies shut up!”

75 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:07:48pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

But, will they jump ahead of us because of it? I don’t think so, but hopefully the capital investment in that country will be managed somewhat well. Imagine a large game of “Risk”.

76 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:08:13pm

Child labor has actually fallen enormously since 2000. The UN has been a big part of bringing this about, as has the US’s State Department, various NGOs/nonprofits, and most importantly, committed local activists often putting their lives on the line.

Here’s the summary:

ilo.org

And here’s the detailed numbers:

It’s a great victory that not that many people know about, even though the information is out there for people who actually want to get informed.

Global number of children in child labour has declined by one third since 2000, from 246 million to 168 million children. More than half of them, 85 million, are in hazardous work (down from 171 million in 2000).

These numbers are still terrible, obviously, but it’s an enormous leap forwards and it’s taking place against a backdrop of increasing population and global recession, which makes them even more impressive.

77 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:13:36pm

This should also be a sign for those consistently depressed about mass human change: We actually do it all the time. Amazing global achievements have happened, enormous campaigns against illnesses, amazing strides forwards in literacy in the most desperate places. We have shitheels like Glenn Beck and the Koch brothers fucking stuff up for profit and the GOP fomenting idiocy, but we also have Médecins Sans Frontières, we have British grannies teaching Indian kids via Skype. The exploitation at the heart of capitalism is a function of the system, a Catch-22, it’s not an innate factor of the human heart. We’re not profit-driven robots.

78 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:16:36pm

re: #77 Uncle Obdicut

Can we please give a shout out to that old war horse “Social Security”! Damn right. Orphans, widows, the infirm and aged. All supported by our society for the betterment of our society. Four generations later ~ look where we are!

79 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:19:43pm

re: #78 prairiefire

Can we please give a shout out to that old war horse “Social Security”! Damn right. Orphans, widows, the infirm and aged. All supported by our society for the betterment of our society. Four generations later ~ look where we are!

I have a nephew who keeps bringing up how his grandfather and father told him Social Security would be bankrupt before they ever got it. The fact that his grandfather and father both received SS has not changed his opinion that he will never see anything from it.

80 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:22:06pm

And totally off topic, but according the Nova program I’m watching, German zeppelins from WW I had gas bags made up of the intestines of 250,000 cows apiece.
Your trivia item for the day.

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:22:19pm

re: #75 prairiefire

But, will they jump ahead of us because of it? I don’t think so, but hopefully the capital investment in that country will be managed somewhat well. Imagine a large game of “Risk”.

I don’t know. they have big cultural, corruption, and political problems that will seriously inhibit their chances at long term success. I’m not so much concerned about competition from China but I think if India ever gets its shit together it could be an economic superpower.

82 klys  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:22:47pm

re: #79 calochortus

I have a nephew who keeps bringing up how his grandfather and father told him Social Security would be bankrupt before they ever got it. The fact that his grandfather and father both received SS has not changed his opinion that he will never see anything from it.

I don’t plan on getting SS.

The way I see it is, if I do, well great! Extra money I don’t need to withdraw from my retirement savings. But if something has happened by the time I am retiring, at least I am not up shit creek without a paddle.

Plus retirement planning is a challenge at best for us anyway.

83 Uncle Obdicut  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:23:06pm

I’m going to go labor in the dream factory.

84 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:25:41pm

re: #82 klys

I don’t plan on getting SS.

The way I see it is, if I do, well great! Extra money I don’t need to withdraw from my retirement savings. But if something has happened by the time I am retiring, at least I am not up shit creek without a paddle.

Plus retirement planning is a challenge at best for us anyway.

Always wise to plan for one’s own retirement, but I’m guessing you don’t think we should do away with social security because you aren’t depending on it for your retirement.

I think it will continue to exist, but there may be means testing or some such.

85 klys  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:28:23pm

re: #84 calochortus

Always wise to plan for one’s own retirement, but I’m guessing you don’t think we should do away with social security because you aren’t depending on it for your retirement.

I think it will continue to exist, but there may be means testing or some such.

It’s true, I am not advocating for the destruction of SS. :) I certainly believe in its place in our society and want to see it continue.

I was fortunate to both learn about both the benefits and the risks of investing - and act upon that knowledge - at a young enough age that I should be able to not rely on SS. I was lucky in that regard.

86 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:32:15pm

re: #85 klys

The joys of living below one’s income. (And having enough income to live comfortably, if not flashily, below it.)

87 calochortus  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:38:30pm

And with that, good night all. Hasta mañana.

88 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:40:35pm

re: #85 klys

China does not have a social security system for senior citizens. Their children and grandchildren are their retirement plan. The one-child policy has strained this very traditional way of supporting older citizens, who are living longer because of better living conditions. As a university teacher, I can see the pressure it puts on college grads, who not only have to worry about supporting themselves in a job, but also their parents and grandparents. The ones from rural areas, or poor families, also want to build new homes for their families. Once married, they have twice as many older people to support, plus their kids. This is a big burden, and probably helps explain why Chinese tend to save a lot, and why parents hope their kids get nice, secure jobs like teaching or government work.

Contrast that situation with America, and imagine what would happen if SS did not exist.

89 jvic  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:41:23pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Also, the world had become smaller. Our children don’t have to work, but their clothing, toys, and even potty training Ipads are made by kids elsewhere who do have to work. We’ve just outsourced the jobs to other people’s kids.

re: #75 prairiefire

But, will they jump ahead of us because of it? I don’t think so, but hopefully the capital investment in that country will be managed somewhat well. Imagine a large game of “Risk”.

I’m guessing that the Chinese plan to use the proceeds of their harsh working conditions to invest in cutting-edge technology and thereby regain their position as the Central Kingdom.

Yes, they have problems, but they seem hardnosed and sophisticated. Two things I’ve noticed:

1. In contrast to their totalitarian days, they allow their citizens to travel abroad (if they can afford it). And, iirc, to buy property abroad.

2. So far at least, the top positions in the ruling elite rotate. So far at least, no Maximum Leader for Life.

This tells me that, while the ruling party intends to maintain control, they understand that a degree of openness is essential to an advanced society.

I’m neither claiming nor denying that they’ll pull it off, but it’s plausible that they think history is on their side.

90 teleskiguy  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 10:30:36pm

For posterity/internet-never-forgets purposes, a brand new Matt Drudge Tweet that will disappear probably soon.

91 teleskiguy  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 10:34:32pm
92 teleskiguy  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 10:44:50pm

Damn! I think dude must be drunk. Or he’s visiting my home state of Colorado and having some sort of panic attack induced by cannabis.

93 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 10:53:37pm

Example of a good man, watch to the end
Youtube Video

I promise you will smile.

94 gwangung  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:03:28pm

re: #70 Lidane

A century of technological evolution will do that.

Kids don’t work in mines here in the States because they don’t have to. Aside from compulsory education which mandates that they spend time in school, we’ve sufficiently advanced enough compared to the way things were back then that we don’t require an 8 year old’s wages from the mines in order to survive.

Well, if you’re middle class and white.

If you’re brown and poor, some folks WANT to require that.

95 teleskiguy  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:12:28pm

Heh.

96 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:26:02pm
97 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:27:15pm

I found this to be hilarious.
Youtube Video

98 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:28:31pm

re: #89 jvic

I’m guessing that the Chinese plan to use the proceeds of their harsh working conditions to invest in cutting-edge technology and thereby regain their position as the Central Kingdom.

Yes, they have problems, but they seem hardnosed and sophisticated. Two things I’ve noticed:

1. In contrast to their totalitarian days, they allow their citizens to travel abroad (if they can afford it). And, iirc, to buy property abroad.

2. So far at least, the top positions in the ruling elite rotate. So far at least, no Maximum Leader for Life.

This tells me that, while the ruling party intends to maintain control, they understand that a degree of openness is essential to an advanced society.

I’m neither claiming nor denying that they’ll pull it off, but it’s plausible that they think history is on their side.

China is indeed investing its wealth in infrastructure, overseas investing, an ambitious space program, and its military. The planned high speed rail line that will eventual connect Kunming, China to Singapore is one example.

Chinese people who can travel face in fact few restrictions. Passports are not that expensive, and usually require a visit to your hometown public security police office. There are limits on how much money you can bring out of the country, but clever rich people all over the world know how to evade such petty difficulties.

As for the leadership, it is required by law to change every 10 years. So far, this has happened without incident three times. The leaders are handpicked from among the top echelon of the Party, so radical change is not that possible, barring some kind of coup. The current president, Xi Jinping, has started on a major anti-corruption campaign, cleaning out Party leaders and military men who have lined their pockets a little too obviously. The most recent target was a general who had a solid gold statue of Mao in his home, among other treasures.

The strategy is to keep the populace fat and happy, letting them spend money freely while keeping a free press, free speech and political activities suppressed. So far, it’s working. I can offer no advice as to how long the Party can manage to keep things under control like this.

99 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:29:15pm

re: #89 jvic

I’m guessing that the Chinese plan to use the proceeds of their harsh working conditions to invest in cutting-edge technology and thereby regain their position as the Central Kingdom.

Yes, they have problems, but they seem hardnosed and sophisticated. Two things I’ve noticed:

1. In contrast to their totalitarian days, they allow their citizens to travel abroad (if they can afford it). And, iirc, to buy property abroad.

2. So far at least, the top positions in the ruling elite rotate. So far at least, no Maximum Leader for Life.

This tells me that, while the ruling party intends to maintain control, they understand that a degree of openness is essential to an advanced society.

I’m neither claiming nor denying that they’ll pull it off, but it’s plausible that they think history is on their side.

AS (iirc) the oldest civilization on the planet, I think history is on their side.

100 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:35:27pm


On-Star for the cyber mechanic?

101 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:38:13pm

re: #98 wheat-dogghazi

As for the leadership, it is required by law to change every 10 years. So far, this has happened without incident three times. The leaders are handpicked from among the top echelon of the Party, so radical change is not that possible, barring some kind of coup. The current president, Xi Jinping, has started on a major anti-corruption campaign, cleaning out Party leaders and military men who have lined their pockets a little too obviously. The most recent target was a general who had a solid gold statue of Mao in his home, among other treasures.

As I understand it, Mao didn’t even have a gold statue of himself in his home …

102 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:45:32pm
103 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 15, 2014 11:58:31pm
104 freetoken  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:12:00am

Just in time to save Colorado:

Drug eases cannabis withdrawals

A world-first study led by the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre (NCPIC) at UNSW has revealed a breakthrough for dependent cannabis users, employing a cannabis-based medication, Sativex (nabiximols), that has been shown to provide significant relief from withdrawal symptoms.

“One in ten people who try cannabis go on to become dependent. As cannabis use increases around the world and more people seek treatment to help them quit, it is surprising there is no approved medication to alleviate symptoms of withdrawal. The success of this study offers considerable hope for those struggling to get through a cannabis withdrawal and remain abstinent into the future,” said Professor Jan Copeland, Director of NCPIC and Chief Investigator of the study.

[…]

105 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:31:54am

re: #104 freetoken

Just in time to save Colorado:

Drug eases cannabis withdrawals

LOL, the only people in those marijuana treatment programs are people that have been busted for pot and are going through the program to stay out of jail. I’ve smoked weed for 40+ years. The symptoms are minimal and go away in a week. I wouldn’t trust that drug to be anywhere near as harmless as weed.

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:34:04am

re: #105 Single-handed sailor

LOL, the only people in those marijuana treatment programs are people that have been busted for pot and are going through the program to stay out of jail. I’ve smoked weed for 40+ years. The symptoms are minimal and go away in a week. I wouldn’t trust that drug to be anywhere near as harmless as weed.

I was thinking that there is no such thing as withdrawal from pot —I mean really?

107 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:34:14am

OTOH, I’d give my left nut to quit tobacco.

108 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:38:47am

re: #107 Single-handed sailor

OTOH, I’d give my left nut to quit tobacco.

I go back and forth on that.

It’s all I have left … .

109 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:56:29am

re: #44 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons bacons (chicken flavored)

110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 12:58:08am

re: #40 freetoken

Aha! So you finally admit that Saturn is a created thing, by an Engineer so great as to make planets.

Gases don’t form hexagons.
There is a hexagon in Saturns’ atmosphere.
Therefore, God created Saturn.

It is hard to look at an image like that and not see some sort of Divine Intelligence behind it, but there is a certain leap I don’t follow, namely that it is proof that my particular collection of ancient scriptures (along with my modern interpretation of them) is the only possible explanation.

111 freetoken  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 1:38:58am
112 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 4:21:15am

Morning…anyone out there is Lizard land?

Looks like no activity for a few hours. Unprecedented, or could it be fatigue?

Anyway, why would anyone hide out when it looks like today kicks off with more great news about the “bipartisan” report on…BENGHAZI!!!

Sure sounds like it is bipartisan. You have the Republican pages and you have the Democrat pages. Will ever the two meet up? Doubtful.

113 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 4:59:19am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Morning…anyone out there is Lizard land?

Looks like no activity for a few hours. Unprecedented, or could it be fatigue?

Anyway, why would anyone hide out when it looks like today kicks off with more great news about the “bipartisan” report on…>BENGHAZI!!!

Sure sounds like it is bipartisan. You have the Republican pages and you have the Democrat pages. Will ever the two meet up? Doubtful.

It’s early morning on the East Coast, middle of the night on the West Coast.

114 ericblair  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:02:11am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

It is hard to look at an image like that and not see some sort of Divine Intelligence behind it, but there is a certain leap I don’t follow, namely that it is proof that my particular collection of ancient scriptures (along with my modern interpretation of them) is the only possible explanation.

As for me, I welcome our new space bee overlords.

115 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:06:29am

HURR HURR!!!!11!! UNLESS YOUR A WIMENS WHO WANTS TEH BIRF CONTROLS OR TEH ABORTIONS, THEN THEY ARE ALL UP IN UR LADYTHINGS.

116 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:06:48am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s early morning on the East Coast, middle of the night on the West Coast.

No doubt, but I don’t think I’ve ever checked the site at this time and saw an almost three hour gap. And that was before I even became an active contributor. No big deal, just saw it as unusual. But hey…BENGHAZI!!!

And as far as fatigue…Benghazi can cause it. Maybe it is merging a bit though. BENCHRISTIE!!! CHRISGHAZI!!!

117 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:08:22am

‘dalek asylum’

Best captcha eveh!

118 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:08:40am

About that Benghazi “senate” report. Here it is.

I haven’t gotten past the first 3 pages and already noticed these (actually, they jumped out at me):

The title itself “REVIEW of the TERRORIST ATTACKS ON U.S. FACILITIES IN BENGHAZI, LIBYA, SEPTEMBER 11-12,2012 together with additional views (my emphasis)

Page 2: All attacks against US Embassies since 1998 are listed as examples, 273 “significant attacks were carried out against U.S. diplomatic facilities and personnel.”

One of the “interviewees” was Gerald Hicks, Deputy Chief of Mission during the attacks in Tripoli during the attacks (sic).

Hicks met with Committee staff without Senators in a follow up interview. See SSCI transcript, “Staff Interview of Gregory Hicks”, June 19, 2003.

Obviously, this is made to initially look like a “comprehensive” overview of attacks on US embassies around the world in the last 15 years, but it immediately jumps into the Benghazi attack.

According to the NYT, it is the first report to “implicitly” criticize Chris Stevens, “It is also the first report to implicitly criticize Mr. Stevens, raising questions about his judgment and actions in the weeks before his death. Like previous inquiries, the Senate investigation does not cite any specific intelligence warnings about an impending attack.”

nytimes.com

“In an addendum to the bipartisan report, Republican committee members singled out former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, a possible Democratic presidential candidate in 2016, as bearing ultimate responsibility for lax security at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi. “

Obviously, this “report” looks like nothing more than a fishing expedition which winds up blaming Chris Stevens himself, who, it’s claimed turned down additional US help and suggested local Libyan officers, but even more importantly, the Republicans’ biggest headache for 2016, Hillary Clinton.

It truly looks to me like just another hatchet job.

119 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:13:14am

BTW, these are the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence members:

intelligence.senate.gov

120 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:21:55am

It seems to me that the Sen Intel report doesn’t “implicitly” blame Stevens, it explicitly does, giving examples of stated bad judgment on his part of declining help from the US, even though he requested it at other times, and claiming he placed more reliance on training Libyan personnel, and calling his decisions “misplaced”, particularly at the time of the attack.

121 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:25:20am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

About that Benghazi “senate” report. Here it is.

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Obviously, this “report” looks like nothing more than a fishing expedition which winds up blaming Chris Stevens himself, who, it’s claimed turned down additional US help and suggested local Libyan officers, but even more importantly, the Republicans’ biggest headache for 2016, Hillary Clinton.

It truly looks to me like just another hatchet job.

I caught a bit about it this morning and when they said bipartisan and then gave the synopsis it really did seem like it was two different viewpoints and not a joint report. But then, can there be a true joint cooperation in anything Washington these days? Even the media tends to be one or the other if only to jump to one side to get the maximum titillation to drive hits or purchases.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:38:53am

This is the STUPIDEST wingnut meme you will see all day.

123 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:39:20am

Shouldn’t an intelligence report be non-partisan? Or am I just deluded?

124 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:40:54am

re: #121 ObserverArt

I caught a bit about it this morning and when they said bipartisan and then gave the synopsis it really did seem like it was two different viewpoints and not a joint report. But then, can there be a true joint cooperation in anything Washington these days? Even the media tends to be one or the other if only to jump to one side to get the maximum titillation to drive hits or purchased.

Well, it’s pretty easy to second guess behind a desk. And this event, while tragic, happened in a true hot spot, not the US. And this committee appears to have leaned heavily on the position of the CIA in Libya at the time. Were those concerns laid out explicitly to the State Dept in detail?

Where was the Senate Intel Comm after 9/11 and why wasn’t a full report made of the events leading up to 9/11 which Bush and his minions ignored? What that led to was not a real investigation, but The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, the TSA, and so forth.

It was, iirc, pretty well known around the intel community, from the myriad reports I’ve read, that Al Qaeda was planning a major event that would cost the US many lives for maximum effect, i.e., flying planes into bldgs, for example. Plenty was written about that, also, including Richard Clarke’s book, which I have and his revelations about the Bush WH reactions to 9/11, such as “Mistakes were made”. The CIA figured prominently in screwing up intel during that period, or at least, in the way they chose to present it to the WH, and the WH’s disregard for it.

125 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:43:44am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

Shouldn’t an intelligence report be non-partisan? Or am I just deluded?

Well, when govt bureaucrats are defending their positions and partisan politics is coloring everything, how is any of it “objective” in the first place, much less “non-partisan”?

Hey, careers are being made on Benghazi.

126 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:53:13am

Pass the extensions or see more suffering.

127 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:10:14am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

128 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:11:22am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Folks down in WVa are still dealing with the water contamination that began in the Elk River and spread downstream due to failures by Freedom Industries.

Well, the company attempted to move the chemicals to another site, and was just cited for lacking secondary containment systems in place at that site.

129 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:20:13am

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

Well, it’s pretty easy to second guess behind a desk. And this event, while tragic, happened in a true hot spot, not the US. And this committee appears to have leaned heavily on the position of the CIA in Libya at the time. Were those concerns laid out explicitly to the State Dept in detail?

Where was the Senate Intel Comm after 9/11 and why wasn’t a full report made of the events leading up to 9/11 which Bush and his minions ignored? What that led to was not a real investigation, but The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, the TSA, and so forth.

It was, iirc, pretty well known around the intel community, from the myriad reports I’ve read, that Al Qaeda was planning a major event that would cost the US many lives for maximum effect, i.e., flying planes into bldgs, for example. Plenty was written about that, also, including Richard Clarke’s book, which I have and his revelations about the Bush WH reactions to 9/11, such as “Mistakes were made”. The CIA figured prominently in screwing up intel during that period, or at least, in the way they chose to present it to the WH, and the WH’s disregard for it.

You know, reading this comment of yours Justanotherhuman reminds me that many times the first attack on the World Trade Center seems to get missed in the discussion of what intel knew about a further attack that culminated in 9/11.

If Clinton and Bush knew there was even a hint of another attack you would think there would have been all kinds of attention paid due to the fact AQ tried real hard to knock it over the first time. Did everyone get jaded thinking they failed the first time and would give up. Any hint there might be another attack should have sent off all kinds of bells and whistles.

And since Bush was in office, where was the after-the-fact political witch hunt against him and his government? He freaking got elected again…and I do not remember everyone from the Democratic side and the media mentioning 9/11 in the same manner they cry BENGHAZI!!! today.

And that goes to the new report on BENGHAZI!!!. It seems the new criticism is all about “but, there were warnings…and Obama, H. Clinton and Stevens ignored them and now 4 dead!!!”

Well, as you point out, where was the huge outcry that there were warnings that were ignored about another AQ attack and they came true and right back at where they attacked before?

And, I would bet that if there was the same digging deep into the Lebanon Marine Barracks Bombing they would find there were warnings and lax security in all of that too.

Only thing that stands out when I view it all now is more politics that is dirtier than ever, and a piss poor media that just flails at stories for again…hits and purchases.

130 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:36:58am

re: #129 ObserverArt

There was a lot of “chatter” that was ignored after the first bombing, as there was a lot ignored about the Middle East itself and the tensions being built up not just in Gaza and the West Bank, but in countries with which we had constant contact with those govts and “smooth” diplomatic relations where Al Qaeda was gaining a foothold. I don’t want to second guess the entirety of foreign policy during the last few admins, because mistakes will always be made—even our elected officials are human, of course, as are the various bureaucrats and career employees. But plenty has been written and said about 9/11, the invasion in Afghanistan which was done ostensibly to capture OBL (another Bush failure), and the subsequent invasion of Iraq in 2003. I still don’t understand either of those wars, and don’t think I ever will, because I think they were entirely unnecessary, if the Bush govt had really paid attention. I’m just very cynical about all of it really being about the money that could be made fomenting war, not actually breaking up Al Qaeda, and I think we created more adherents over the short term.

131 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:42:13am

Quite the brush fire this morning. Glendora near the 39 and Glendora ridge road.

Video HT KTLA

ktla.com

132 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:43:23am

re: #131 Political Atheist

Quite the brush fire this morning. Glendora near the 39 and Glendora ridge road.

Video HT KTLA

ktla.com

It’s fucking January! Out of season penalty!

133 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:43:59am

re: #127 Pie-onist Overlord

fwiw, I’m beginning to think the ‘Stalin’ line is a false quotation. While it’s been around for a while (people were slinging it about Bush and the tower attacks) I’ve yet to find a source document.

134 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:45:16am

re: #132 darthstar

And a no smoking violation.
//

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:46:26am

Matt u gotta fan

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:47:14am
137 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:52:10am

Honey…have you seen my AR-15?
It’s in the back of the SUV.
SUV? You rented a sedan…
Oh, crap. Sorry!

138 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:53:28am

Socons and TPers are fond of regurgitating that high taxes send people fleeing from states like NY or NJ.


Well, turns out the facts tell a different tale. NJ continues minting millionaires at a steady clip. That North Dakota is minting millionaires at a faster clip this year is a testament to that state’s oil boom, and not something sustainable.

Also ignored is that the states where people have moved from tend to be cold weather climates like the Northeast to warmer climates like the South and Southwest, though states like Nevada saw a decline in the number of millionaires (despite being a no-income tax state). Florida, another no-income tax state, also lost millionaires.

The state with the fewest millionaires is Mississippi, with 3.6 percent, or 40,955 households, wealthy enough to join the elite circle.

139 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:55:23am

re: #137 darthstar

Honey…have you seen my AR-15?
It’s in the back of the SUV.
SUV? You rented a sedan…
Oh, crap. Sorry!

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Haha! “Secured in a case?” Bwahahahahahahaghahahahah!

140 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:56:50am

re: #138 lawhawk

Socons and TPers are fond of regurgitating that high taxes send people fleeing from states like NY or NJ.

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Well, turns out the facts tell a different tale. NJ continues minting millionaires at a steady clip. That North Dakota is minting millionaires at a faster clip this year is a testament to that state’s oil boom, and not something sustainable.

Also ignored is that the states where people have moved from tend to be cold weather climates like the Northeast to warmer climates like the South and Southwest, though states like Nevada saw a decline in the number of millionaires (despite being a no-income tax state). Florida, another no-income tax state, also lost millionaires.

The state with the fewest millionaires is Mississippi, with 3.6 percent, or 40,955 households, wealthy enough to join the elite circle.

Yeah, but you can get a train from Jersey to Wall St. Can’t do that in ND or MS.

Location, location, location.

141 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:58:48am

For the music buffs out there, the Met’s holding an exhibition on Martin guitars.

In an exhibit that opened yesterday, the Met is showcasing the origins of American guitar-making and the early work of Christian Frederick Martin (whose name might be just a bit familiar to players, collectors, and music fans alike). Martin immigrated to New York City from Germany in 1833 before eventually settling in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. There, he drew from both Viennese and Spanish luthier techniques to establish the first American style of guitar-making and start what is still today one of the most iconic companies in all of music.

Early American Guitars: The Instruments of C.F. Martin runs until December 7th and features many instruments that were designed and built by Martin himself. Those with a profoundly nerdy keen appreciation for the history of the instrument will also appreciate the Met’s inclusion of several Austro-German and Spanish guitars that had a direct influence on Martin’s work.

Amidst the priceless six-string relics, one (much younger) item is sure to stand out. Eric Clapton’s 1939 Martin 000-42 is also included in the exhibit. Clapton played it in his 1992 MTV Unplugged performance, and it was sold at a 2004 auction for $791,500. Thanks to the magic of YouTube, you can listen to that very guitar.

142 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:02:51am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

It is hard to look at an image like that and not see some sort of Divine Intelligence behind it, but there is a certain leap I don’t follow, namely that it is proof that my particular collection of ancient scriptures (along with my modern interpretation of them) is the only possible explanation.

On the other hand, my first thought was to wonder what the physical forces were that caused that configuration. The question of divine intervention didn’t even occur to me until I read your comment.

143 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:03:14am

Make for a good Jerry Springer episode…

144 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:03:30am

Has anyone seen the alien wrench for Saturn yet?

145 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:04:09am

re: #123 Dr. Matt

Shouldn’t an intelligence report be non-partisan? Or am I just deluded?

U.S. Senate Select Committee. These days in particular, that means it’s going to be partisan.

146 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:08:22am
147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:10:23am

It’s morning! I have an eye doctor appointment in a few, so I will be functionally blind for most of the rest of the day.

you?

148 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:10:39am

I do have to say, the email exchange from Christie’s staff indicating they had flagged Mayor Skolich’s number for DO NOT ANSWER when it showed on caller ID is pretty telling.

149 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:11:44am

re: #114 ericblair

As for me, I welcome our new space bee overlords.

suck-up
:0

150 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:13:07am

“When your back is against the wall, there is always a way out.” - slogan for Christie admin’s new legal team

151 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:15:37am

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

Hardly mentioned by the media, but in 2012 the polar cap of Saturn was shaped like the Obama campaign logo.

152 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:16:41am

re: #145 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

U.S. Senate Select Committee. These days in particular, that means it’s going to be partisan.

Esp when you have someone like Richard Burr in there. A veritable wolf in sheep’s clothing. Does a good acting job of playing a somber, white bread “conservative” US Senator who wants to be seen as a “statesman”, while catering to the teabagger mentality. Known to be a waffler, changing his position often, but always falling on the side of conservatism in the end. Doesn’t actually do much but wants the power. Will probably keep the seat for a long time, such is the apathy in NC and the lack of enthusiasm for Democratic candidates unless they’re real Blue Dogs.

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:17:25am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

There was a lot of “chatter” that was ignored after the first bombing, as there was a lot ignored about the Middle East itself and the tensions being built up not just in Gaza and the West Bank, but in countries with which we had constant contact with those govts and “smooth” diplomatic relations where Al Qaeda was gaining a foothold. I don’t want to second guess the entirety of foreign policy during the last few admins, because mistakes will always be made—even our elected officials are human, of course, as are the various bureaucrats and career employees. But plenty has been written and said about 9/11, the invasion in Afghanistan which was done ostensibly to capture OBL (another Bush failure), and the subsequent invasion of Iraq in 2003. I still don’t understand either of those wars, and don’t think I ever will, because I think they were entirely unnecessary, if the Bush govt had really paid attention. I’m just very cynical about all of it really being about the money that could be made fomenting war, not actually breaking up Al Qaeda, and I think we created more adherents over the short term.

I’ve come to believe the wars were about oil, power and positioning. Toppling Saddam was payback for his attempt to assignate Bush Sr. (that did happen right —I can’t keep these things straight)

We may never know the details of the underlying reasons. I’m not sure I want to know.

154 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:17:27am

re: #151 darthstar

Hardly mentioned by the media, but in 2012 the polar cap of Saturn was shaped like the Obama campaign logo.

Sharia Saturn?

155 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:18:32am

Mississippi, celebrating 150 years of crazy and counting…

MS House passes welfare drug testing bill

After the Mississippi House Representatives debated for four hours about House Bill 49, the bill is finally making its way to the Senate. The House passed the bill 74 to 46. Supporters of the bill say it will help those dependent on drugs get the treatment they need.

One of those supporters, Representative Sam Mims, Chairman of the Public Health Committee, answered questions from his colleagues about the bill. The proposed legislation will require those people applying for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families answer a questionnaire then based on those questions undergo a drug test. The questionnaire caused some concerns.

“I’m talking about the screening instrument that we’re going to send to a 3rd party and allow them to develop the criteria and then to define reasonable likely hood and that’s the part that gives me a problem not the drug test,” said Representative David Baria.

Other representatives had concerns with the cost. The screening will cost $1.25 per test. The drug test is $50 and drug treatments are $25.00 per session.

“TANF funds will pay for the screen, said Mims. “The TANF funds will pay for the test and Medicare will pay for the

156 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:19:22am

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

Matt u gotta fan

Someone needs therapy.

157 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:21:08am

I have a theory about political leadership. Success in this field requires, not results, or truth, but the particular ability to keep all the balls in the air at all times.

158 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:22:05am

Surprise, surprise…

Stockman Vows Opposition To $1 Trillion Omnibus Then Skips Vote

But when it came time to vote, Stockman didn’t. The Texas congressman is in the congressional record as one of seven lawmakers who didn’t vote.

As the Austin American-Statesman notes, this is becoming a regular occurrence for him. For almost a week now Stockman has missed every vote in his chamber, starting on January 10.

159 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:22:31am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Someone needs therapy.

You must have hit a nerve.

160 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:23:16am

True or False?

161 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:24:04am

re: #159 darthstar

You must have hit a nerve.

I consider it a skill. It’s even listed on my CV.

162 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:24:29am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Someone needs therapy.

I’ve always wanted to know. How does one literally fuck oneself? And if one was doing it to oneself, wouldn’t it be an enjoyable activity?

So why is it used a negative (vulgar) reply?

163 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:24:37am
164 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:25:59am

re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg

Mississippi, celebrating 150 years of crazy and counting…

MS House passes welfare drug testing bill

Here’s the thing that gets me about this. Every time, every variation of this has shown that this is pretty much a waste of time. It’s an expensive excess burden that discovers most - as in at least 98% and more typically 99.8% - of the people getting assistance don’t use - either because they don’t want or can’t afford - drugs.

I really and truly want to see these legislatures pass bills that require as frequent a test of themselves as they require of others, with as significant a penalty. Won’t happen, of course, but it’s what I want.

165 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:28:06am

re: #162 FemNaziBitch

So why is it used a negative (vulgar) reply?

No kidding. ‘Fucking oneself’, how ever it is accomplished, would be greater than sliced bread, clean drinking water, the iPhone, and self-checkout lanes combined.

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:31:39am

re: #164 kirkspencer

Here’s the thing that gets me about this. Every time, every variation of this has shown that this is pretty much a waste of time. It’s an expensive excess burden that discovers most - as in at least 98% and more typically 99.8% - of the people getting assistance don’t use - either because they don’t want or can’t afford - drugs.

I really and truly want to see these legislatures pass bills that require as frequent a test of themselves as they require of others, with as significant a penalty. Won’t happen, of course, but it’s what I want.

Poor people are immoral, we are going to spend every last dime to prove it!

167 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:32:20am

re: #165 Dr. Matt

It’s one of those unanswerable questions, like why we say, “take a s**t.” As George Carlin once noted, you don’t take it with you, you leave it behind. Ideally, anyway.

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:33:13am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi

It’s one of those unanswerable questions, like why we say, “take a s**t.” As George Carlin once noted, you don’t take it with you, you leave it behind. Ideally, anyway.

“Hey, Thanks, but I’ve got my own.”

169 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:34:41am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi

It’s one of those unanswerable questions, like why we say, “take a s**t.” As George Carlin once noted, you don’t take it with you, you leave it behind. Ideally, anyway.

Why is it a PAIR of pants, but just A Bra?

RBS

170 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:35:30am

The twitter “patriots” are in an excessively bad mood today. Amusing.

171 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:35:59am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

The twitter “patriots” are in an excessively bad mood today. Amusing.

Sucks when one’s world view shatters.

172 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:36:20am

re: #158 Targetpractice

Surprise, surprise…

Stockman Vows Opposition To $1 Trillion Omnibus Then Skips Vote

He’s skipped pretty much all the votes since the beginning of the year.

It’s called leadership. ////

It’s also the best thing he’s done since entering politics. ////

173 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:37:13am
174 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:37:45am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

The twitter “patriots” are in an excessively bad mood today. Amusing.

P.S. Do NOT click on any links that @turdburgelstein may tweet, Trust me. In fact, he should be banned completely from twitter.

175 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:38:43am

re: #169 RealityBasedSteve

Why is it a PAIR of pants, but just A Bra?

RBS

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways.

And Expressway is a misnomer. It’s a slow road to hell, especially when the Expressway in question is the LIE (which gives away the game - Expressway is a lie).

176 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:38:54am

I still don’t understand how twitter works. I may have to buy twitter for dummies.

177 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:39:28am

re: #175 lawhawk

Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways.

And Expressway is a misnomer. It’s a slow road to hell, especially when the Expressway in question is the LIE (which gives away the game - Expressway is a lie).

Why do the keys on drive-up ATM’s coded with braille?

178 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:40:51am

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

True or False?

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It may be that the “ladies” in question don’t understand exactly how painful it is to be hit in the nuts.

179 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:41:43am

re: #178 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It may be that the “ladies” in question don’t understand exactly how painful it is to be hit in the nuts.

I had some gyne surgery once that left me with the idea that I might.

180 BusyMonster  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:41:52am
Here’s the thing that gets me about this. Every time, every variation of this has shown that this is pretty much a waste of time

Poor-kicking isn’t about efficiency, it’s about pressing that thumb down as hard as you can on them, and making sure they damn well know their place.

181 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:41:57am

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

True or False?

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Both. Gah, useless knowledge time.

Charles Bennet invented the athletic supporter in 1874. Sometime between that invention and 1904 someone got the idea of adding a hard protector to the pocket. (1904 is the first recorded use of the protector in pro sports: Claude Berry, catcher, Chicago White Sox.)

BUT: if you go look at medieval clothing you’ll see this thing called a codpiece. Ignore some of the later things that are gross exaggerations of men’s … assets and look at their earlier use. They were a piece of cloth that covered the groin. (More accurately they filled the gap between the hose that were tied to a belt or vest/bodice/shirt/etc. And more completely they were more loincloth than groin cover. But I digress.)

What was needed on the court floor was required on the battlefield as well. And there are a lot of pieces of armor that are, basically, an armored codpiece.

Meaning the whole argument is off by several centuries, and we really don’t know if armoring the groin or the head came first. (The chest preceded both, of course.)

182 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:42:09am

I have to go have my eyes dilated.

see you much, much later all.

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:42:13am

re: #164 kirkspencer

Here’s the thing that gets me about this. Every time, every variation of this has shown that this is pretty much a waste of time. It’s an expensive excess burden that discovers most - as in at least 98% and more typically 99.8% - of the people getting assistance don’t use - either because they don’t want or can’t afford - drugs.

I really and truly want to see these legislatures pass bills that require as frequent a test of themselves as they require of others, with as significant a penalty. Won’t happen, of course, but it’s what I want.

Florida passed a drug-testing for welfare law. The wife of the Governor of Florida owns a drug testing company.

184 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:42:33am

Target is now providing credit monitoring for a year for those who shopped during the breach period.

creditmonitoring.target.com

You enter your name and email, and they’ll send you a code that activates the credit monitoring.

185 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:42:47am

re: #179 FemNaziBitch

I had some gyne surgery once that left me with the idea that I might.

You’ll notice that I specifically restricted the comment to “the ‘ladies’ in question” - i.e., the ones laughing at the idea that a guy might prefer a cup to a helmet.

186 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:43:13am

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

True or False?

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False. Helmets were used by some players as early as the 1930s. They became mandatory for any player who entered league starting in 1979/80.

187 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:45:20am

re: #169 RealityBasedSteve

Why is it a PAIR of pants, but just A Bra?

RBS

Historical peculiarity. Originally pants were two pieces of cloth formed into tubes plus a bit of butt coverage with a third piece used to cover the gap.

A brassiere, on the other hand, was always functionally one object.

188 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:45:47am

re: #169 RealityBasedSteve

Why is it a PAIR of pants, but just A Bra?

RBS

Wear a kilt. That’s singular.

189 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:46:08am

re: #186 Dr. Matt

False. Helmets were used by some players as early as the 1930s. They became mandatory for any player who entered league starting in 1979/80.

Two words

BILL
MASTERTON

190 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:47:26am
191 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:48:43am

Timeline of the hockey helmet

First Player to Wear Hockey Helmet
1 Jan 1928

George Owen, who played for the Boston Bruins and also was elected to the College Football Hall of Fame, was the first NHL player to wear a helmet.
timetoast.com

192 sattv4u2  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:51:24am

re: #190 lawhawk

Craig MacTavish was the last hockey player to be able to play without wearing a helmet.

video.nhl.com

He (along with a group of other Bruins) hung around this after hours place a friend of mine co-owned/ managed when MacTavish played for the Bruins.

Smart kid ,,,, good guy,, tragic accident

193 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:54:35am

Craig MacTavish is a frequent trivia question on those trivia video games at bars.

194 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:55:33am

So, the House passed a $1.1 trillion omnibus budget yesterday, you might have heard. Here’s a bit of what was in it:

The Heritage Foundation drafted a lengthy to-do list for the huge spending bill, which included prohibiting funds to build a prison in the United States to house detainees from Guantánamo Bay, Cuba; eliminating all money for Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s cherished high-speed rail projects; cutting the operating budget of the Fish and Wildlife Service; providing money for private school vouchers for the District of Columbia; and significantly reducing the Internal Revenue Service’s budget, with language requiring more oversight of the potential targeting of political groups.

All of those requests — about half the to-do list, in all — were carried out, and yet Heritage Action demanded a “no” vote.

So, former Senator Jim DeMint Heritage got half of what it wanted, which was pretty awful (WTF is this cutting money for the Fish and Wildlife Service shit??) and yet still demanded a f0cking “no” vote.

Still, it’s hard to see this budget as any kind of “defeat” for the teatard regressives. The spending bill also cut $1 billion from the Prevention and Public Health Fund—an attempt to cut spending for Obamacare. It also enacted a pay freeze for VP Biden. And it requires DHS to provide detail reports on any ammunition it purchases (you remember, from that bullshit last year about OMG DHS is Buying ALL THE BULLETS!!!).

195 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:57:32am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

So today’s a good day, then? I’ll take it.

196 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:57:41am

re: #194 Bulworth

So, the House passed a $1.1 trillion omnibus budget yesterday, you might have heard. Here’s a bit of what was in it:

So, former Senator Jim DeMint Heritage THE KOCH BROTHERS got half of what it wanted, which was pretty awful (WTF is this cutting money for the Fish and Wildlife Service shit??) and yet still demanded a f0cking “no” vote.

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:58:40am
198 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:59:58am

re: #195 Bulworth

So today’s a good day, then? I’ll take it.

Indeed.

I’m guessing that since the Benghazi report did not mention ‘stand down orders’ and did not blame Obummer is causing their collective hissy fits.

199 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:02:10am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

Sergeant Shitty Pants is 279 days overdue and counting for being in jail or dead…..

200 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:03:13am

re: #198 Dr. Matt

But but but but BENGHAZI could have been PREEEVENTED!!!11!! IMPEACH!!11111111!!!1

201 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:06:06am

re: #194 Bulworth

So, the House passed a $1.1 trillion omnibus budget yesterday, you might have heard. Here’s a bit of what was in it:

So, former Senator Jim DeMint Heritage got half of what it wanted, which was pretty awful (WTF is this cutting money for the Fish and Wildlife Service shit??) and yet still demanded a f0cking “no” vote.

Still, it’s hard to see this budget as any kind of “defeat” for the teatard regressives. The spending bill also cut $1 billion from the Prevention and Public Health Fund—an attempt to cut spending for Obamacare. It also enacted a pay freeze for VP Biden. And it requires DHS to provide detail reports on any ammunition it purchases (you remember, from that bullshit last year about OMG DHS is Buying ALL THE BULLETS!!!).

Yes, because the primary principle is all or nothing. Less than everything is a failure.

202 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:06:08am
203 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:06:58am

re: #202 lawhawk

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Indeed, 5 million people are without any resource, either subsidies or Medicaid, because of these jackholes. But please, continue telling us how the ACA has not lived up to its promises.

204 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:11:40am
And it requires DHS to provide detail reports on any ammunition it purchases (you remember, from that bullshit last year about OMG DHS is Buying ALL THE BULLETS!!!).

Nice to know Alex Jones has so much influence over our political system/

No, really, that’s fucking awesome/

I’m sure this situation won’t get any worse/

205 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:16:55am

And here comes Da Derp:

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:20:30am

re: #205 lawhawk

And here comes Da Derp:

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HURR HURR

207 steve_davis  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:22:49am

re: #56 Gus

Coal breaker boys (between 1890 and 1910)

My great grandfather on my Wilkes-Barre side did coal breaking as a kid, but was taken out by his parents during the Molly Maguire troubles. Way too dangerous.

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:36:08am

HURR HURR

209 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:39:05am

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Sirota, go fly a kite.

210 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:40:46am

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

But what Schweitzer does have is a message that’s unique in the likely Democratic field. The former governor is gambling that Democrats won’t just want an alternative to Clinton in 2016-they’ll want a complete and total rejection of the Obama presidency.

Yeah, THAT’s going to go over well.

The article also describes Schweitzer as a “liberaltarian”.

What he actually is, from what I can tell is more of centrist with slight leftward leans.

211 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:41:49am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, THAT’s going to go over well.

The article also describes Schweitzer as a “liberaltarian”.

“Liberaltarian”=Tea Party Dudebro

213 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:52:52am
214 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:54:05am

re: #212 darthstar

Nasa photos showing difference in snowpack. - And last year wasn’t that great.

Man, I fear the Southwest in on a path to becoming inhospitable.

215 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:54:32am

BENGHAzi SENATE report blames HILLARY!!!!1 IMPEACH Hillary!!!Why no media coverage of Senate report MSM????!!!???

216 chadu  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:58:47am

re: #203 Targetpractice

Indeed[Embedded image], 5 million people are without any resource, either subsidies or Medicaid, because of these jackholes. But please, continue telling us how the ACA has not lived up to its promises.

The ACA worked out fantabulous for me, so Cantor can suck it.

217 Mike Lamb  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:59:42am

re: #205 lawhawk

And here comes Da Derp:

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I wish these people threatening to “Go Galt” would stop teasing us and do it.

We’ve had the movie “A Day without a Mexican”. Now we need the sequal “A Day without a Randian Idiot”. I’m thinking the results would be much different.

218 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:59:46am
219 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:00:36am

re: #218 lawhawk

My surprise, etc.

220 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:02:02am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

The Colorado River compact was originally signed back when river flows were much higher than they are now. Now, we’re in a much drier period and there’s less water to go around to more people/uses.

Something’s going to have to give, and it’s going to be the lifestyle of people who’ve chosen to live in a semi-desert to desert climate. To say nothing of the folks in agriculture who’ve basically taken all the water they can from the river, and stressed the aquifers too.

It’s not going to be pretty.

221 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:03:55am

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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This guy jumped in on that.


Punk.

222 Dave In Austin  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:06:27am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, I fear the Southwest in on a path to becoming inhospitable.

Jim Inhofe: More Junk Science…….

223 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:06:48am

re: #218 lawhawk

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My shocked face, etc., etc.

224 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:07:44am

re: #216 chadu

Well, then, you’re letting wingnut America down. //

225 chadu  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:11:05am

re: #224 Bulworth

Well, then, you’re letting wingnut down. //

My heart pumps purple panda piss for them.

226 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:11:08am

Responsible gun owner leaves their focking AR-15 in their g-damn rental car.

A New York mom vacationing in South Florida was expecting a healthy dose of sun, surf and fun. Imagine her surprise when her daughter unzipped a bag in their rental Nissan Rogue and found a rifle — a big rifle. Looking just like the ones real soldiers use.

Horrified, she immediately called E-Z Rent-A-Car and then drove to the nearest police station.

And there would be one more surprise: The AR-15 semiautomatic had been left behind by model Lauren Tannehill, the wife of Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

“We got out of the car, we were kind of freaked out,” Judith Fleissig recalls of the moment this month when she and her daughter found the weapon. “I didn’t want to touch it.”

Fleissig on Jan. 6 turned over the gun to the closest police station, following the rental company’s recommendation, officials said.

Authorities conducted a review and determined it was legally owned and accidentally left behind.

227 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:11:56am
228 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:13:22am

What is it with that guy and bridges?

229 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:13:29am

It’s my spot.

230 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:13:40am

re: #220 lawhawk

The Colorado River compact was originally signed back when river flows were much higher than they are now. Now, we’re in a much drier period and there’s less water to go around to more people/uses.

Something’s going to have to give, and it’s going to be the lifestyle of people who’ve chosen to live in a semi-desert to desert climate. To say nothing of the folks in agriculture who’ve basically taken all the water they can from the river, and stressed the aquifers too.

It’s not going to be pretty.

New Mexico’s governor is on it:

Sanchez said Gov. Martinez wants to spend 60 percent of the state’s capital outlay budget on water infrastructure.

Of course, she’s a climate change denier (at least regarding ‘human activity’) and tried to appoint a total denier to the state’s energy department (he wouldn’t take the job because he objected to the background check), so I don’t expect her to accomplish anything.

231 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:16:38am
232 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:17:44am

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

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Yeah! Blacks need to vote for the guys who send racist pictures and emails and who don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, because Democrats are ~~EVIL!!~~

Ted Nugent is a fucking numbskull. Period.

233 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:19:31am
234 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:22:16am

Someone tell Greenwald that this is how you leak documents.

235 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:22:35am

re: #218 lawhawk

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Sadly, a lot of those types have real mental issues, are anti-social, and cannot live in a regular society because they wind up doing very dangerous things, like this guy. Couple their ideological beliefs w/domestic problems and exacerbate that w/religion, and it’s a potent brew.

They may start out as “normal” as anyone else—after all, the guy obviously worked at one point and was able to buy a house, but he deteriorated into this situation. You can always find someone online, on the radio, even on TV who feeds these kinds of paranoid fancies, and all some of them need is just a bit of encouragement.

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:24:06am

Does this mean Christie will just start blowing up the bridges?
//

237 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:24:17am
238 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:25:24am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does this mean Christie will just start blowing up the bridges?
//

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239 darthstar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:27:42am
240 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:32:19am
241 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:32:58am

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does this mean Christie will just start blowing up the bridges?
//

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Lol.
Way to fail, Yahoo.

242 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:37:14am


Governor Susana Martinez on Thursday identified the victim who was shot in the face and neck at Berrendo Middle School on Tuesday as 12-year-old Nathaniel Tavarez. Gov. Martinez said that Tavarez remains in critical at a hospital in Lubbock, Tx.

Gov. Martinez met with the families of both shooting victims at a Lubbock Hospital last night and said they are in good spirits and praying for the boy accused of shooting their young relatives.

Martinez said 12-year-old Nathaniel Tavarez was intubated, on a respirator and heavily sedated when she saw him last night. Show said his face and head is covered in pockmarks from the shotgun pellets and that both of his eyes were injured. However, she said the doctors she spoke with we’re optimistic, particularly after Tavarez tried to grab at his respirator, which is uncomfortable, despite being mostly unconscious. Doctors have also repaired slight damage to his heart, she said.

“He has improved. The doctors feel good about him, Martinez told reporters outside the middle school Thursday morning. “he is being taken very good care of.”

She also spoke with 13-year-old Kendal Sanders, who was awake but drowsy, the governor said. Sanders was kept up much of Tuesday night in pain, the governor said, but the girl is expected to be released soon.

[…]

243 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:39:21am

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Man, I fear the Southwest in on a path to becoming inhospitable.

One of the more fucked up demographic trends that suggests an ugly future for this country is the internal migration patterns in this country. We’re abandoning cities where stuff used to be made (Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc.) that sit on the largest concentration of fresh water on earth (non-icecap division) to move to the freakin’ desert and work in oh-so-sustainable industries like casinos. Something is really wrong with this.

244 Stanley Sea  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:41:21am

re: #240 wrenchwench

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Welp here we go.

Under red flag warning for the 4th day……’tis dry.

245 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:41:59am

re: #243 Ian G.

One of the more fucked up demographic trends that suggests an ugly future for this country is the internal migration patterns in this country. We’re abandoning cities where stuff used to be made (Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc.) that sit on the largest concentration of fresh water on earth (non-icecap division) to move to the freakin’ desert and work in oh-so-sustainable industries like casinos. Something is really wrong with this.

Precisely. I enjoyed visiting my dad in Vegas last year but I could never live there, for precisely the reason that the water supply problem is so real and dire. We might get hurricanes here on the gulf coast, but we get plenty of rain and we have plenty of lakes and rivers too.

246 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:45:26am

San Jose woman loses $500 000 to dating scam

Why do people keep falling for these?

247 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:45:29am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Precisely. I enjoyed visiting my dad in Vegas last year but I could never live there, for precisely the reason that the water supply problem is so real and dire. We might get hurricanes here on the gulf coast, but we get plenty of rain and we have plenty of lakes and rivers too.

I did Vegas on a vacation that also included the Grand Canyon and southern Utah (Arches, Zion National Parks). It was impossible not to contrast the comfortable temperatures and awe-inspiring natural geology of the latter with the garish artificial everything and the oppressive heat of the former.

There are wonderful cities out west that I could live in (hi there, Seattle!). Vegas is not one of them.

248 Kragar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:45:36am

What happens when a 40k geek gets a 3D printer

Image: warhammer_chaplain_face_v2_0_by_pabelbilly-d6t4nan+-+Copy.jpg

249 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:46:20am

re: #244 Stanley Sea

Welp here we go.

Under red flag warning for the 4th day……’tis dry.

With a snow pack like this, it’s going to be a dangerous spring and summer.

250 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:46:39am

re: #205 lawhawk

And here comes Da Derp:

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251 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:47:12am

re: #248 Kragar

What happens when a 40k geek gets a 3D printer

Image: warhammer_chaplain_face_v2_0_by_pabelbilly-d6t4nan+-+Copy.jpg

I’m not a 40K geek and even I’m deeply impressed.

252 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:47:17am

re: #164 kirkspencer

Here’s the thing that gets me about this. Every time, every variation of this has shown that this is pretty much a waste of time. It’s an expensive excess burden that discovers most - as in at least 98% and more typically 99.8% - of the people getting assistance don’t use - either because they don’t want or can’t afford - drugs.

I really and truly want to see these legislatures pass bills that require as frequent a test of themselves as they require of others, with as significant a penalty. Won’t happen, of course, but it’s what I want.

This is what should be called a political meme law in that it is done solely as a political demonstration to those constituents back home that believe bullshit spread by the likes of Fox and idiot haters. Not based on facts always helps!

253 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:48:26am

re: #177 FemNaziBitch

Why do the keys on drive-up ATM’s coded with braille?

Well, most people drive blind.

/ (I may be late on the joke…just catching up)

254 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:50:12am

re: #177 FemNaziBitch

Why do the keys on drive-up ATM’s coded with braille?

Actually it is possible to use a drive up ATM as a WALK up ATM. I’ve done it before a few times.

255 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:50:33am

re: #244 Stanley Sea

Welp here we go.

Under red flag warning for the 4th day……’tis dry.

And I think that’s Ojoe’s webcam! Well, he probably doesn’t own it….

256 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:51:29am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Precisely. I enjoyed visiting my dad in Vegas last year but I could never live there, for precisely the reason that the water supply problem is so real and dire. We might get hurricanes here on the gulf coast, but we get plenty of rain and we have plenty of lakes and rivers too.

I could never understand why people wanted to live in the desert unless they lived like the cliffdwellers and in pueblos, like the few natives who braved it. And when I see large houses, swimming pools and grassy golf courses and lawns, I want to yell, Get out and take your lawn with you!

257 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:52:31am

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

In the case of my dad, it’s mainly because of my step mom. She does not fare well in humid conditions, hence the southwest is ideal for her.

258 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:53:08am

Woo hoo! We’re number one! We’re number one!

259 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:54:10am

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

I could never understand why people wanted to live in the desert unless they lived like the cliffdwellers and in pueblos, like the few natives who braved it. And when I see large houses, swimming pools and grassy golf courses and lawns, I want to yell, Get out and take your lawn with you!

I’m pretty sure the Navajos didn’t live where Phoenix is. They lived (and still do) up by Flagstaff, where the high elevation makes for a much more moderate climate. I think the name of the Phoenix Valley in their language translates as “place where it’s too hot”.

260 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:56:03am

re: #258 wrenchwench

When you look at a chart or map of the 50 states by all the indicators of quality of life: education, poverty, healthcare, etc., the blue states always beat out the red states overall. There’s one blue state that’s usually as bad as the worst of the red states: New Mexico, unfortunately.

And Utah is the one red state that has a quality of life up there with the best blue states.

261 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:56:30am

But it’s safe for everyone else, right? //////////

cnn.com

The problem stemmed from a leak of several thousand gallons of 4-methylcyclohexane methanol from a storage tank belonging to a company called Freedom Industries. That chemical, which is used in the coal industry, leaked out of a storage tank at a Freedom Industries facility, breached a concrete wall surrounding the tank, seeped into the soil, made its way to the Elk River, entered a water plant about a mile upstream and got into the water system.

262 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:56:58am

re: #247 Ian G.

I did Vegas on a vacation that also included the Grand Canyon and southern Utah (Arches, Zion National Parks). It was impossible not to contrast the comfortable temperatures and awe-inspiring natural geology of the latter with the garish artificial everything and the oppressive heat of the former.

There are wonderful cities out west that I could live in (hi there, Seattle!). Vegas is not one of them.

I’ve got trips planed for later this year to Moab (Canyonlands, Arches, and Mesa Verde and Capitol Reef) via SLC and then a quick trip to Scottsdale. Wouldn’t want to live in either permanently, but they sure are pretty to visit and photograph. Too hot and dry for my liking. I’d much prefer SFO, Northern Cal. Seattle was nice but not sure I’d want to move there.

263 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:57:00am

re: #208 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR

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Good to see Dudebros are as good as hardcore wingnuts at telling African-Americans what’s best for them.

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264 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:57:40am

re: #258 wrenchwench

Woo hoo! We’re number one! We’re number one!

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Do you have a link for the source on that? I tried to google it but didn’t find much.

265 geoffm33  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:57:56am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually it is possible to use a drive up ATM as a WALK up ATM. I’ve done it before a few times.

That and they use the same ATM parts/interface for inside and outside. So it’s one of those rare cases where a company/bank can save money using the same parts while at the same time being accommodating to those with needs.

266 Kragar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:57:58am

re: #261 GlutenFreeJesus

But it’s safe for everyone else, right? //////////

cnn.com

Seems like someone should have noticed all the leaking, breaching, and seaping at some point before it reached the water.

267 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:57:59am

re: #261 GlutenFreeJesus

But it’s safe for everyone else, right? //////////

cnn.com

CLEAN COAL!!

268 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:58:05am

re: #256 Justanotherhuman

I could never understand why people wanted to live in the desert unless they lived like the cliffdwellers and in pueblos, like the few natives who braved it. And when I see large houses, swimming pools and grassy golf courses and lawns, I want to yell, Get out and take your lawn with you!

Yeah, the lawn-growers should go. But living in the desert can be done sustainably, and it’s beautiful.

This is desert.

269 Weet  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:58:51am
270 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:59:21am

re: #268 wrenchwench

Yeah, the lawn-growers should go. But living in the desert can be done sustainably, and it’s beautiful.

Yeah the word “desert” is kind of a catch all that can cover a wide range of terrain, both hospitable and inhospitable.

271 geoffm33  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:59:44am

re: #268 wrenchwench

Yeah, the lawn-growers should go. But living in the desert can be done sustainably, and it’s beautiful.

This is desert.

No…this is dessert

272 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:00:29am

re: #271 geoffm33

If that’s ice cream in the middle, great!

If oreo filling…ugh.

273 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:00:43am

re: #266 Kragar

Seems like someone should have noticed all the leaking, breaching, and seaping at some point before it reached the water.

But it’s all ok now!

On Wednesday, independent testing of water supplies from a hotel and a home in southwest West Virginia showed the presence of 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, but both samples tested at levels believed to be acceptable for consumption.

Seriously?

274 geoffm33  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:01:12am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

If that’s ice cream in the middle, great!

If oreo filling…ugh.

Ice cream for sure…that would be WAYYYYY too much filling! #quadruplestuffedoreos

275 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:01:26am

re: #259 Ian G.

I’m pretty sure the Navajos didn’t live where Phoenix is. They lived (and still do) up by Flagstaff, where the high elevation makes for a much more moderate climate. I think the name of the Phoenix Valley in their language translates as “place where it’s too hot”.

Wikipedia:

Phoenix (/ˈfiːnɪks/ FEE-niks; O’odham: S-ki:kigk; Yavapai: Wathinka or Wakatehe; Western Apache: Fiinigis; Navajo: Hoozdoh; Mojave: Hachpa ‘Anya Nyava)[3]

[…]

For more than 2,000 years, the Hohokam peoples occupied the land that would become Phoenix.[8] The Hohokam created roughly 135 miles (217 km) of irrigation canals, making the desert land arable. Paths of these canals would later become used for the modern Arizona Canal, Central Arizona Project Canal, and the Hayden-Rhodes Aqueduct. The Hohokam also carried out extensive trade with the nearby Anasazi, Mogollon and Sinagua, as well as with the more distant Mesoamerican civilizations. It is believed that a Hohokam witness of the supernova that occurred in 1006 CE created a representation of the event in the form of a petroglyph that can be found in the White Tank Mountain Regional Park west of Phoenix. This has been interpreted as the first known North American representation of the supernova.[9]

It is believed that between 1300 and 1450, periods of drought and severe floods led to the Hohokam civilization’s abandonment of the area.[8] Local Akimel O’odham settlements, thought to be the descendants of the formerly urbanized Hohokam, concentrated on the Gila River. Some family groups did continue to live near the Salt River, but no large villages existed. Yavapai also had settlements in the area. Later, Maricopa peoples fleeing enemy tribes, came from the lower Gila River near its confluence with the Colorado River, and settled alongside, as well as deer and Mexican wolves, often lived in the Salt River Valley when water supplies and temperatures allowed.

Of course, the climate has changed a lot between then and now.

276 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:03:33am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you have a link for the source on that? I tried to google it but didn’t find much.

I found this. Click on the Quality of Life tab to re-sort.

cnbc.com

277 Ian G.  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:05:10am

re: #275 wrenchwench

Wikipedia:

Of course, the climate has changed a lot between then and now.

The period when the Phoenix Valley was abandoned corresponds to the onset of cooling in Europe that would eventually lead to the bottoming out of the Little Ice Age, FWIW.

Climate is a peculiar thing, which is why it’s a bad idea to be messing with it.

278 Kragar  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:07:15am

Well, time to go break someones shit.

279 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:09:58am

re: #261 GlutenFreeJesus

But it’s safe for everyone else, right? //////////

cnn.com

The problem stemmed from a leak of several thousand gallons of 4-methylcyclohexane methanol from a storage tank belonging to a company called Freedom Industries. That chemical, which is used in the coal industry, leaked out of a storage tank at a Freedom Industries facility, breached a concrete wall surrounding the tank, seeped into the soil, made its way to the Elk River, entered a water plant about a mile upstream and got into the water system.

CNN strikes again…too bad the water plant was actually located downstream

280 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:10:18am

re: #259 Ian G.

I’m pretty sure the Navajos didn’t live where Phoenix is. They lived (and still do) up by Flagstaff, where the high elevation makes for a much more moderate climate. I think the name of the Phoenix Valley in their language translates as “place where it’s too hot”.

Well, yes. They knew not to get out and work in that kind of heat, also. They also knew they had to conserve water in cisterns and the like and grow drought resistant plants. Not to mention, before the Spanish arrived, the natives did not have horses or any means of transportation—they walked, everywhere.

re: #268 wrenchwench

Yeah, the lawn-growers should go. But living in the desert can be done sustainably, and it’s beautiful.

This is desert.

Unless there’s a spring underground to tap into for a well, ummm, no.

281 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:11:18am

re: #278 Kragar

Well, time to go break someones shit.

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Is it too late to lose faith in the human race?

282 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:11:28am

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

Precisely. I enjoyed visiting my dad in Vegas last year but I could never live there, for precisely the reason that the water supply problem is so real and dire. We might get hurricanes here on the gulf coast, but we get plenty of rain and we have plenty of lakes and rivers too.

You know what I’ve always thought the big problem out there is?

It’s the freaking desert!!!

Only humans want to live in what should be considered inhabitable. But hey…maybe they can take the water from other places that are habitable.

283 BusyMonster  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:12:06am
Climate is a peculiar thing, which is why it’s a bad idea to be messing with it.

You say “messing with,” I say “conducting unplanned experiments without any controls.” It’s the same thing.

Sarcasm off. What I really enjoy is if you present a progressive socioeconomic proposal (such as raising minimum wage) to the same people who laugh off climate change as a danger, everybody loses their minds in fear that we’re conducting an experiment with uncertain but possibly disastrous results.

Yet, with something as basic as our ability to have clean air and water, we gleefully pour all kinds of mysterious substances into them (or, these same people do) and never a worry about the unintended results.

284 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:14:42am

I don’t know if you guys have seen this, but this woman takes some absolutely breathtaking photography of her kids and surroundings in Russia.

Elena Shumilova on 500px

Gorgeous, gorgeous photos. I can only hope to do that someday.

285 BusyMonster  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:14:56am

re: #278, Kragar

OMG that gets me so fired-up. How could Treyvon be the one playing the knockout game when fucking Zimmerman was following him in the car?

For the record, I am 100% positive that the only damage to Zimmerman’s face was from his own clip, or possibly he hit himself when it became apparent he’d succeeded in murdering an unarmed child. I’ve been stalked by bullies before, and it was obvious to me from minute 1 of this thing that Zimmerman was the bully.

Why is someone trying to whitewash him now, I wonder? Is he about to get arrested again?

286 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:18:34am

re: #285 BusyMonster

re: #278, Kragar

OMG that gets me so fired-up. How could Treyvon be the one playing the knockout game when fucking Zimmerman was following him in the car?

For the record, I am 100% positive that the only damage to Zimmerman’s face was from his own clip, or possibly he hit himself when it became apparent he’d succeeded in murdering an unarmed child. I’ve been stalked by bullies before, and it was obvious to me from minute 1 of this thing that Zimmerman was the bully.

Why is someone trying to whitewash him now, I wonder? Is he about to get arrested again?

Heh, you said whitewash.

In this case, whether intended or not, it sure as hell fits!

/

287 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:19:52am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

How do people that stupid manage to get $500K?

288 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:22:59am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you have a link for the source on that? I tried to google it but didn’t find much.

Some guy gave a talk in Albuquerque, here:


I can’t even find his first name….

289 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:25:44am

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Well, yes. They knew not to get out and work in that kind of heat, also. They also knew they had to conserve water in cisterns and the like and grow drought resistant plants. Not to mention, before the Spanish arrived, the natives did not have horses or any means of transportation—they walked, everywhere.

Unless there’s a spring underground to tap into for a well, ummm, no.

There are springs and wells all over. Well, not all over, but much of New Mexico sits on a huge aquifer, and most residents use well water.

I’m not claiming it’s sustainable, but Los Angeles should get first scorn for unsustainable water use.

290 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:32:47am

re: #269 Weet

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Is that a parody site, or could he really be that freakn’ ridiculous?

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:34:10am

re: #290 Decatur Deb

Is that a parody site, or could he really be that freakn’ ridiculous?

That’s a parody account.

292 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 10:34:41am

re: #291 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s a parody account.

Had to ask, though.

293 Weet  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 11:15:19am

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Had to ask, though.

It’s “Havana Ted”. LMAO.


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