1 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:10:01am

I hope he reminds the American people why we give the NSA these powers - that they aren’t just nosing around in our personal business. Some additional oversight would be great, but we really do need some monitoring of terrorists and so on.

2 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:11:48am

Greenwald wants to know why President Snowjob isn’t delivering these remarks.

3 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:12:47am

Not enough, smokescreen, obot, etc.

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:13:35am
5 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:15:29am

HURR HURR!!!11!!!

6 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:16:32am
7 gwangung  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:17:27am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!

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Honestly, any increase in security at Target wouldn’t have happened without the hacking.

8 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:17:35am

I HATE IT ALREADY.

9 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:19:13am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Also assumes that the Administration wouldn’t have wanted to go in this direction eventually.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:19:15am

HURR HURR!!!!1!!!!1!!

11 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:20:48am

Bryan Fischer is watching this while having a gay fantasy. //

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:25:20am

HURR HURR DON’T CALL ME WHITE PRIVILEGED U HURT MY FEELINGS!!!!11!!!!

13 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:27:42am

So, should I be surprised when the dudebros and wingnuts join together to scream that no matter what he puts forth, it still won’t be “enough”?

14 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:28:58am
15 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:29:03am
16 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:29:56am

re: #14 Targetpractice

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Not terribly self aware, is he?

17 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:31:05am

The more I think of Greenwald and Snowden, the more I think the amalgamation of both resembles Jar Jar Binks.

They think they are doing the right thing, but in the end, they make things so much worse for everyone.

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:32:17am
19 piratedan  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:35:12am

re: #14 Targetpractice

well he would know, being the expert….

Really GG? You think the Prez is only a one trick pony like yourself…

Cripes, will someone send that guy a Carly Simon CD so he can listen to “You’re So Vain” on an endless loop in the shower.

20 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:35:13am
21 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:36:25am

“Crude characterizations!” That’s for sure.

22 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:37:14am

The Syrian propaganda machine is working overtime. The viral pic from yesterday looks like is was fauxtography.
Saudi photographer tells me: This is not Syria, its not a grave and the boys parents are not dead

imgur.com

23 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:37:51am

Good times.

24 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:38:05am

Praise for the intelligence community, but none for Greensnow & Co.

“I’m not going to dwell on Mr. Snowden’s actions or his motivations.”

25 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:39:42am

This is an excellent speech.

26 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:02am
27 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:22am
28 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:23am

HURR HURR!!!11!!1

29 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:40:24am

Gee, a complex problem requires a complex and nuanced solution. You mean that you can’t just “SHUT IT ALL DOWN???”. My predictions, RWNJs will start with “Another executive directive, he’s a dictator” and “See, he played the race card again”.

There are real threats in the world, and there needs to be an effective and ongoing collection of data. The problem is that you can’t “target” without widespread collection to first identify patterns.

As for me, I’m not uncomfortable with what I understand to be going on.

RBS

30 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:41:23am

Seems like the only people Pres Obama hasn’t listened to are Greensnow & Co.

I like that. Smart man.

31 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:42:22am

Telephone records do not include content of conversations or people making the calls.

Metadata to be queried when a threat is discerned.

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:15am
33 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:37am

What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.

RBS

34 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:44:37am
35 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:45:07am

“Crude characterizations that have emerged” over the last several months.

I like that because it is so correct.

36 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:03am

[dudebro]Snowden is the greatest because he made Obama reform NSA surveillance except Obama’s NSA reforms really suck and don’t change anything we still have no privacy[ dudebro]

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:06am

“$5 charge for whining”

So how much does Rand owe?

38 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:46:38am

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

How much does RP owe for whining, I wonder?

Woops! Didn’t see your, VB. : )

39 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:47:16am

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

Wait, Rand hasn’t solved the national debt yet with his incessant whining? and Whirred P[l]eas?

40 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:47:18am

re: #32 Pie-onist Overlord

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Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?

RBS

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:14am

re: #40 RealityBasedSteve

Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?

RBS

He’s in his seekrit “Go Galt” bunker

42 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:27am

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

Which why Snowden is so awesome except these lame reforms don’t change anything at all and Obamo is just lying to us all again. //

43 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:36am

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.

RBS

Starting with trying to intercept telegraph signals. Civil war. Before that, it was intercepting the couriers who transmitted the orders on parchment/papers. Now, it’s encrypted bits/bytes of data from phones, text messages, instant messages, emails, and more.

44 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:37am

I’m not seeing how the government doesn’t hold the records. Anyone else who holds them is even more difficult to oversight (oversee?)

45 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:48:41am

“Privacy advocate” to be added to the FISC.

No, not you, Glenn.

46 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:49:22am

re: #43 lawhawk

Starting with trying to intercept telegraph signals. Civil war. Before that, it was intercepting the couriers who transmitted the orders on parchment/papers. Now, it’s encrypted bits/bytes of data from phones, text messages, instant messages, emails, and more.

Technology.

How does it change over the years?

47 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:51:12am

Foreign surveillance only for national security purposes.

48 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:52:16am
49 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:04am
50 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:06am

WE SHOULDN’T PROSECUTE THE TARGET HACKERS BECAUSE THEIR THEFTS LED TO IMPROVEMENT IN RETAIL SECURITY!!!!11!!!

51 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:09am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down, that’s not my Department - Dr. Werner von Braun.

Hey, without those pesky V-1 and V-2 rockets, we’d never have gone to the moon.

52 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:55:31am

re: #27 Charles Johnson
Notice that Greenwald has gone silent on Twitter. That’s because he’s currently writing a 10,000-word screed bashing Obama’s reform ideas.

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Broken into 140 character blocks and scheduled to be released every 10 seconds until people think he’s important.

RBS

53 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:56:18am

We shouldn’t go after the 9/11 terrorists because their actions led to improved airline security and better engineering for construction of skyscrapers. /

54 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:56:32am
55 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:06am

We are held to a different standard. No one expects anything good from China or Russia.

56 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:11am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

The Syrian propaganda machine is working overtime. The viral pic from yesterday looks like is was fauxtography.
Saudi photographer tells me: This is not Syria, its not a grave and the boys parents are not dead

imgur.com

Someone misrepresenting a photographer’s artwork doesn’t make it “fauxtography” when there was clearly no intent to deceive by the photographer himself:

“I love photography,” he continues over the phone, “Every artist has ideas in his head. So I had the idea to make a project whereby I show in pictures how the love of a child for his parents is irreplaceable. This love cannot be substituted by anything or anybody else, even if the parents are dead.”

To finalize his art project, Abdul Aziz al Otaibi took his car and drove three weeks ago to the outskirts of Yanbu, 250 kilometers away from Jeddah. Here he build from stones two graves. He asked the young son of his sister to lay in between the graves and cover himself with a blanket. “Of course I would never ever put a child between two real graves,” he says, “I would be very much against that.”

macmillandictionary.com

urbandictionary.com

en.wiktionary.org

57 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:57:47am
58 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:59:40am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

Someone misrepresenting a photographer’s artwork doesn’t make it “fauxtography” when there was clearly no intent to deceive by the photographer himself:

macmillandictionary.com

urbandictionary.com

en.wiktionary.org

Yes, the artist is completely open about the photoshoot.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 8:59:56am

HURR HURR!!!!1!!111

60 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:01:56am

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Congress and the Bush administration had absolutely nothing to do with it; nope.

61 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:03:49am

Peak Wingbro/Dudenut is achieved when David Sirota and Ben Shapiro are Tweeting the exact same thing.

62 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:03:55am

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1!!111

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And what the NSA does pales in comparison to those two countries security services.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:04:29am
64 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:12am
65 Mike Lamb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:22am

re: #55 EmmaAnne

We are held to a different standard. No one expects anything good from China or Russia.

Except that GG, et al. have been acting throughout this entire ordeal as if Russia/China are some type of bastion of free speech/press.

66 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:28am
67 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:05:49am

re: #61 Pie-onist Overlord

Derp harmonies.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:06:20am
69 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:06:56am

re: #67 Amory Blaine

Derp harmonies.

Elevated derp hormones. //

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:07:19am

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That was a stupid Tweet and not funny.

71 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:08:16am

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!1!!111

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Wow, I thought it was our govt. Democratic Republic, and all that.

72 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:08:48am
73 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:11:53am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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You have our gratitude!

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:11:55am

And part of the whole issue is the changing technology. “Big Data” just wasn’t going to happen 15-20 years ago. Not enough storage and processing power to hold and then analyze the data in exchange for the relatively low return on investment compared to other tasks. Not to mention the explosion in social media and communications that supplies so much more types of data to be potentially looked at.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:21am

re: #69 Gus

Elevated derp hormones. //

Is Derp Hominy a special kind of dish?

76 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:45am

re: #40 RealityBasedSteve

Where is he, sitting in the mechanical room for the building?

RBS

Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.

77 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:12:47am
78 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:13:19am
79 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:14am

I love the irony of all the dudebros who cry about privacy via Facebook and Twitter.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:16am

re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader

Is Derp Hominy a special kind of dish?

Only if you add a lot of stinky cheese…

81 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:14:51am

Chris Hayes, in the context of trying to protect his paycheck, trying to make a case for dumping the NSA on MSNBC.

Also trying to say the politics of Pres Obama’s speech was to “assuage” the fears of the NSA about stripping it of effectiveness.

82 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:15:16am

re: #71 Justanotherhuman

Virtual secession.

83 Mike Lamb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:12am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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So the NSA is in fact “under your bed” and everyone should be frightened? Having legitimate national security concerns over what China and Russia might do with this sensitive information is worthy of derision?

Perfect example of GG’s agenda.

84 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:36am

I am perfectly willing to pardon Snowjob for revealing what the NSA does domestically.

I am still throwing his ass in prison for dumping millions of documents, many of them about our international activities, on the Chinese and Russians.

Will any dudebros take me up on this very reasonable compromise position?

85 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:44am

re: #76 Romantic Heretic

Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.

So I guess those levers behind him are the switches on his personal Way-Back machine, if he can find the right settings, we can go back to 1900 and all will be good again?

RBS

86 ericblair  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:17:47am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

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Greenie acts like he thinks the Russians and Chinese are no threats at all to anybody’s civil liberties, which means that either:

He actually believes this, likely for the same reason that teenagers think their parents are the WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IN THE HISTORY OF EVER; or more likely

He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.

None of the libertarians will let go, because bitching about the US/UK to the exclusion of every other world power is a safe gravy train.

87 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:20:19am

re: #86 ericblair

He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.

It’s a natural mental extension of growing up safely ensconced in Mom’s basement (or your fortified Brazilian compound).

88 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:20:31am

re: #86 ericblair

Greenie acts like he thinks the Russians and Chinese are no threats at all to anybody’s civil liberties, which means that either:

He actually believes this, likely for the same reason that teenagers think their parents are the WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD IN THE HISTORY OF EVER; or more likely

He doesn’t believe it, but there’s zero percentage in taking on the Chinese or Russians. They actually do stifle dissent (much more Chinese than Russian), so the people you’re actually talking to have a real problem hearing what you’re saying (and consequently sending you money), and they actually do retaliate against journalists and whistleblowers in violent fashion.

None of the libertarians will let go, because bitching about the US/UK to the exclusion of every other world power is a safe gravy train.

Exactly. You never see a bully pushing around somebody who would actually have inclination to wallop the living tar out of him. It’s always the one that won’t fight back.

RBS

89 missliberties  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:21:40am

re: #25 Justanotherhuman

This is an excellent speech.

It’s good to hear from our President without all the partisan faux noise and shrieking.

I love how he started out with our history, including Paul Revere, to provide context as to why we need these programs and the never ending tension that arises balancing security and liberty.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:11am

WTFITS

92 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:36am

re: #85 RealityBasedSteve

So I guess those levers behind him are the switches on his personal Way-Back machine, if he can find the right settings, we can go back to 1900 and all will be good again?

RBS

If he’s lucky enough to be in the right class. He may find that without family connections he might have to actually work, and most work back then was actually hard, very dangerous and badly paid.

One way you can tell an ideologue from a practical thinker is the position they will hold when things are changed. An ideologue is always in the elite.

93 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:43am

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

I love the irony of all the dudebros who cry about privacy via Facebook and Twitter.

Take that shit off speakerphone!

94 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:43am

The audience in the Justice Dept gave Pres Obama a standing ovation. That’s not going to go over well with the libertarian crowd. Even if it is Pres Obama’s first visit to that Dept.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on President Obama’s NSA surveillance reform speech: ‘While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails’ - via @NBCNews
end of bulletin

95 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:23:59am

Had to log in after catching the speech (a few minutes in) and by some of the comments still make me think people still have no clue as to what meta data is. When I hear congressman Keith Ellison comment on MSNBC that people do not want the government knowing you are sitting on the toilet I have a fear Ellison has no clue about meta data. And that is sad and dangerous.

When a human rights spokesman says no meta data should be collected I have to ask what the hell and where the hell have you been, everyone collects meta data now, are you going stop all that too? Don’t go online dude…ever…all your human rights just went out the window.

So, all I can conclude is, the President and Congress along with many respected tech people need to block out a prime time channel takeover and hold an education session on what meta data is and what is actually means to the average American.

And even that may not work, because many will bitch they want to watch Duck Dynasty or ESPN instead and could care less about Obama spying and ignore it all and continue to bitch anyway.

Even the president’s explanation that the NSA data collection does not include names and contents really is not being understood. To me the big problem is digital technology is way, way over the heads of the American public and they can’t go out into the driveway and ‘pop the hood and change the oil and plugs!’

Hell they pretty much can’t do that on their cars now, but some remember when they could! And that is the problem…we Americans are can-do people and they are facing a can-no-longer-do-it technology.

Now…back to work!

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:25:21am

re: #76 Romantic Heretic

Because machines do what they are told, and never, ever talk back. So he’s comfortable there. No complicated human interaction.

HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.

97 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:25:59am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Fact-checking Gates’ claims about Biden’s foreign policy

Image: rulings%2Ftom-mostlytrue.gif

ridiculous.

98 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:26:31am

Lol, politifact.

We don’t want to insinuate that means the defense secretary’s assessment of Biden is accurate, but at least his talking points (for the most part) don’t misrepresent Biden’s record.

99 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:27:32am

re: #92 Romantic Heretic

If he’s lucky enough to be in the right class. He may find that without family connections he might have to actually work, and most work back then was actually hard, very dangerous and badly paid.

One way you can tell an ideologue from a practical thinker is the position they will hold when things are changed. An ideologue is always in the elite.

You mean the same way that all the people who talk about having past lives, it was always as a royal, or a member of the priestly classes, or something other that is just great. Nobody ever channels or talks about , yea I spent about 1200 years of my past lives as a serf, basically living a short and brutal existence, and then dying early.

RBS

100 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:27:42am

While we are “debating”… ie crying about how this is the end of American, Russia/China et all are debating on how to actually make that happen for real, thanks to ES.

101 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:23am

re: #98 Varek Raith

Lol, politifact.

They should team up with Unskeewed Polls.

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:36am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

The audience in the Justice Dept gave Pres Obama a standing ovation. That’s not going to go over well with the libertarian crowd. Even if it is Pres Obama’s first visit to that Dept.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on President Obama’s NSA surveillance reform speech: ‘While I am encouraged the President is addressing the NSA spying program because of pressure from Congress and the American people, I am disappointed in the details. The 4th Amendment requires an individualized warrant based on probable cause before the government can search phone records and e-mails’ - via @NBCNews
end of bulletin

It’ll be interesting to see how Rand Paul does with progressives. So far he’s been unable to get the cross over appeal his father had but that could change.

103 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:28:58am

re: #97 blueraven

ridiculous.

Outrageous!

104 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:16am

re: #98 Varek Raith

Lol, politifact.

I rate this laughter Considerably Approximate Truthiness.

105 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:21am

re: #98 Varek Raith

Lol, politifact.

Ok, KT.
Parse that.
What does it mean?

106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:31am

What Snowden did in itself was useful and even necessary. The way he went about it was reckless, ill-conceived and potentially dangerous to US lives and interests.

107 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:29:55am

The privacy hawks and the security hawks will not like Obama’s speech. The rest of the country will be like…meh.

108 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:30:41am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Outrageous!

no, just stupid.

109 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:30:58am

re: #83 Mike Lamb

So the NSA is in fact “under your bed” and everyone should be frightened? Having legitimate national security concerns over what China and Russia might do with this sensitive information is worthy of derision?

Perfect example of GG’s agenda.

And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.

Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!

Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )

110 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:31:20am

re: #105 Varek Raith

Ok, KT.
Parse that.
What does it mean?

That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:31:41am

re: #109 ObserverArt

And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.

Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!

Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )

Just make sure you get yourself some nice beach time first.

112 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:41am
113 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:44am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.

You can’t fact check a fucking opinion.

114 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:32:46am

re: #109 ObserverArt

And again…people are taking selfies in the bedroom and images of everything under the bed, in the closets and all of the roon and then posts long texts about it all. They want to be private while they give it all up online.

Damn frustrating. And oh yeah…FUCK GREENWALD you sanctimonious gas bag!!!

Almost feel like flying to Brazil to run my fist down his throat. And, I am non violent… ; )

and take a few selfies while you’re there.

RBS

115 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:05am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.

Lol. What nice reasoning.

Obama is an alien overlord!
*No factual rebuttal offered*
MOSTLY TRUE
-Politifact

116 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:26am

That’s a New York Times reporter spreading misinformation about Obama’s speech, by the way.

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:33:48am

re: #110 Killgore Trout

That means that no factual rebuttal was offered, probably didn’t even read the article.

Stop feeding the troll. The links were tossed in without additional commentary and the subject doesn’t jive much (if at all) with the current topic.

(Me posting food or cat pictures doesn’t either, of course. But I think my intent is somewhat different.)

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:34:07am

HURRHURR!!!111

119 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:34:29am

re: #117 Feline Fearless Leader

Stop feeding the troll. The links were tossed in without additional commentary and the subject doesn’t jive much (if at all) with the current topic.

(Me posting food or cat pictures doesn’t either, of course. But I think my intent is somewhat different.)

Sorry, it amuses me.
I’ll stop.

120 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:35:37am

re: #98 Varek Raith

Lol, politifact.

Trusted facts!!!

Grrrr. Okay I’m going. But I am pissed off. Stupidity does that to me. Sorry!

121 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:35:58am

re: #113 blueraven

You can’t fact check a fucking opinion.

122 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:36:35am

re: #118 Pie-onist Overlord

HURRHURR!!!111

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And I’d have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids and that dog.

123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:37:52am

re: #121 Dr. Matt

I sort of understand his point. We have this notion that Truth is some absolute value that can be compared and quantified, and “fact checkers” rely on us thinking that way.

124 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:38:06am

It is my opinion that KT has been wrong in every post for the past year.

Fact: Mostly true

125 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:38:46am

re: #124 blueraven

It is my opinion that KT has been wrong in every post for the past year.

Fact: Mostly true

I have seen no factual rebuttal.

126 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:41:46am

CNN has Julian Assange on to give his analysis.
He looks like an old man, sporting a beard now.

127 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:42:28am

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Yes, the artist is completely open about the photoshoot.

Yes, and he was miffed about the misrepresentation and even confronted this @americanbadu person about it, yet you labeled it “fauxtography”, which is basically calling it the non-Palestinian equivalent of a “Pallywood” production.

Why?

This is the kind of stuff that makes it look like you’re just playing head games.

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:43:32am
129 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:45:16am
130 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:47:34am

re: #129 lawhawk

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Yes, it is. Next question?

RBS

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:48:19am

re: #129 lawhawk

That doesn’t surprise me. The network analysis is probably the most useful information to glean from the data. Knowing which numbers talk to which other numbers. Tells you which ones to potentially pay closer attention to regarding using greater resources in order to then possibly get content information.

132 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 9:51:11am

re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader

That doesn’t surprise me. The network analysis is probably the most useful information to glean from the data. Knowing which numbers talk to which other numbers. Tells you which ones to potentially pay closer attention to regarding using greater resources in order to then possibly get content information.

Exactly. You can identify key players, where organizations overlap, and from that you can start targeted investigations at a more detailed and focused level.

RBS

133 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 10:00:42am

Snowden has brought together “Young Conservative” and old moonbats. Peacemaker !!1!

134 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 11:10:24am

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

What they are doing is nothing more than basic Signal Intelligence. Finding patterns, connections. The military stared doing this about 20 minutes after they started using radios. Even without knowing the contents of a message, the very patterns, volume, timing of messages can indicate important information.

RBS

Nothing more? Really?


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