David Sirota Uses Doctored Image of Pres. Obama Shooting Edward Snowden With Shotgun

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Pentagon & NSA officials say they want Snowden extrajudicially assassinated

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Pentagon & NSA officials say they want Snowden extrajudicially assassinated
By David Sirota
January 16, 2014

President Obama claims the right to extrajudicially execute American citizens, keeps a so-called “kill list,” and has bragged he’s “really good at killing people.” This isn’t bluster. Obama has backed this up with action, having killed U.S. citizens — including a 16-year-old boy - without charging, much less convicting, any of them with a single crime.

The implications are profound (and profoundly disturbing), and raise questions about Americans’ constitutional right to due process, the most basic constraints on presidential power, and our treatment of whistleblowers. Indeed, how can anyone expect those who witness executive-branch crimes to blow the whistle when the head of the executive branch asserts the right to instantly execute anyone he pleases at any time?

All of this may sound theoretical, academic, or even fantastical, straight out of a dystopian sci-fi flick. But it isn’t. It is very real. After all, only a few months ago, the chairman of the U.S. House Intelligence Committee publicly offered to help extrajudicially assassinate NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. And now, according to a harrowing new report that just hit the Internet, top NSA and Pentagon officials are doing much the same, even after court rulings and disclosures have concluded that Snowden is a whistleblower who exposed serious government crimes.

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323 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 12:40:16pm

That picture of Obama with the shotgun is also very popular at the far right blogs like Breitbart.com and Gateway Pundit. It’s becoming hard to tell the difference between the Sirotas and the Hofts.

2 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 12:43:48pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That picture of Obama with the shotgun is also very popular at the far right blogs like Breitbart.com and Gateway Pundit. It’s becoming hard to tell the difference between the Sirotas and the Hofts.

Hence the “wingnuts” category.

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 12:53:57pm
4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 12:55:15pm

Classy of Sirota to tweet at someone he’s blocked.

5 blueraven  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 12:57:33pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Facepalm!

6 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:25:08pm
7 erik_t  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:26:26pm

This is, like, Pam-grade Stupid Drunk Blogging. Even for someone as fecally synaptic as Sirota.

Don’t be like Pam. Don’t Stupidily Drunk Blog.

8 darthstar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:26:27pm
9 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:26:31pm

Buzzfeed “Facts” = Sugar Free Gummy Bears. Both will rip you a new one, and both cause a huge stink.

RBS

10 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:28:05pm

Defending anonymous quotes Fake journalism.

11 darthstar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:29:11pm
12 darthstar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:29:54pm
13 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:30:33pm

He just whipped out the ad hominem and the LMFAO, I think he’s lost it.

14 jaunte  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:30:35pm

“Direct quotes published by BuzzFeed!!!!”

15 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:31:00pm

What, no drone? These guys are getting worse in one way but slipping in another.

16 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:31:10pm

re: #14 jaunte

“Direct quotes published by BuzzFeed!!!!”

OPENLY!

17 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:31:22pm

OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE SIROTA’S GUNS

18 jaunte  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:31:28pm

Robot Triad Ninja Assassins!!!

19 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:31:47pm

re: #17 Internet Tough Guy

OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE SIROTA’S GUNS

At this point I wish he’d take his Twitter away instead.

/

20 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:32:17pm

As a general rule of thumb, if some rogue elements in the Penagon or intel worlds are going to smoke someone, they don’t tweet about it to bloggers. It’s considered poor form.

21 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:32:19pm

Well, I’ve got to go shortly and meet my date. She’s a french model, I met her on the internet.

RBS

22 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:32:52pm

re: #21 RealityBasedSteve

Bonjour!

23 Dave In Austin  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:33:04pm

24 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:33:24pm

re: #22 lawhawk

Bonjour!

Wait, so you’re sidelining as a French model on Internet dating sites?

/

25 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:33:30pm

Direct Anonymous quotes.

26 piratedan  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:33:53pm

well everyone knows that if you want to get to the root of the controversy, Buzzfeed is the first place you go, then Drudge, and then Free Republic, everyone knows this…. //////

27 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:34:25pm

re: #10 wrenchwench

Sirota really is a clown. He’s forgetting that extraordinary claims require corresponding evidence.

For example, I’ve heard that Sirota can get his head up his ass all the way to the 7th cervical vertebra.

In the interests of full disclosure (not required) my source is a recorder inserted into the rectum of a flatulent pig.

Sirota should obviously take this allegation seriously and prove it false.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:34:29pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

As a general rule of thumb, if some rogue elements in the Penagon or intel worlds are going to smoke someone, they don’t tweet about it to bloggers. It’s considered poor form.

Yea, it makes that “Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions” thing a lot harder.

@JimPhelps Your mission, if you decide to accept it….

RBS

29 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:35:48pm

re: #24 klys

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

30 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:36:15pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

I do not have enough updings to give this.

31 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:36:48pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

Except for the ones that are really a Labrador retriever.

RBS

32 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:37:06pm

David Sirota beclowns himself again. More at 5pm.

33 piratedan  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:38:35pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

sorry, while it’s a good pithy remark, it’s not a David Allen Coe good, you’re still missing something about cats and rule 34 and a facepalm…. still, a great place to start. /////

34 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:39:10pm
35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:39:23pm

Sirota and Greenwald are in an asshole competition today.

36 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:40:02pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

Before my husband and I started dating, one of his friends cautioned him to be careful about falling for someone online (particularly through online games) because they thought I might just be a 12 year old boy having a laugh.

We’d at least met in person by that point, so he was fairly certain I was neither 12 nor male.

37 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:41:39pm
38 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:42:39pm

re: #34 Kragar

Stop NSA spying with this ONE weird trick!

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:42:50pm

re: #33 piratedan

sorry, while it’s a good pithy remark, it’s not a David Allen Coe good, you’re still missing something about cats and rule 34 and a facepalm…. still, a great place to start. /////

A message from the Feline Overlords

40 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:43:14pm

re: #39 Feline Fearless Leader

A message from the Feline Overlords

Hey, how’d my cat get to your house?

41 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:43:25pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Stop NSA spying with this ONE weird trick!

The one piece of MetaData NSA DOES NOT Want you to hoard!!!!

42 darthstar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:44:11pm

Fuck the Sirotas and Greenwalds. There are people out there who actually listened to the President.

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:44:21pm

re: #40 klys

Hey, how’d my cat get to your house?

I think we’ve previously discussed that we have similar cats, or one that is in some sort of indeterminate state and existing on both coasts at the same time.

44 danarchy  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:44:44pm

re: #29 lawhawk

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. /except for the NSA, which is everywhere.

Or sometimes nigerian scammers

45 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:45:04pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I’m prepared to believe the Pentagon has its fair share of foolishness and inefficiency (as in any large organization).

I’m not prepared to believe that the Pentagon is stupid enough to share its top-level internal deliberations with the likes of Sirota. That would require levels of stupidity hitherto not seen in reality (including in creationist literature).

46 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:45:17pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

I think we’ve previously discussed that we have similar cats, or one that is in some sort of indeterminate state and existing on both coasts at the same time.

He says hello.

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:45:18pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Sirota and Greenwald are in an asshole competition today.

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48 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:45:33pm

re: #5 blueraven

Facepalm!

@GoBrooklyn @Green_Footballs how is the image “doctored”? Oh right - it isn’t. It is two images next to each other. Thanks. Stop being dumb.

Really, this guy is some kind of blogger/journalist.

Tell him he better learn the damn language.

From The FreeDictionary.

v. doc*tored, doc*tor*ing, doc*tors Informal
v.tr.
1. Informal To give medical treatment to: “[He] does more than practice medicine. He doctors people. There’s a difference” (Charles Kuralt).
2. To repair, especially in a makeshift manner; rig.
3.
a. To falsify or change in such a way as to make favorable to oneself: doctored the evidence.
b. To add ingredients so as to improve or conceal the taste, appearance, or quality of: doctor the soup with a dash of sherry. See Synonyms at adulterate.
c. To alter or modify for a specific end: doctored my standard speech for the small-town audience.
d. Baseball To deface or apply a substance to (the ball): was ejected because he doctored the ball with a piece of sandpaper.
v.intr. Informal
To practice medicine.

49 jaunte  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:46:32pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

I guess he’s just given up on the Triads if he’s trying to get the Pentagon into it.

50 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:46:50pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

I think we’ve previously discussed that we have similar cats, or one that is in some sort of indeterminate state and existing on both coasts at the same time.

Schrodinger’s cat can poop in two or more well separated litter boxes at the same time…

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:46:52pm

re: #46 klys

He says hello.

Does he work IT as well?

52 piratedan  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:47:13pm

re: #39 Feline Fearless Leader

I did that this morning, hell hath no fury like a feline who has to make do, in doo doo…..

53 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:48:08pm

re: #40 klys

Hey, how’d my cat get to your house?

I thought it was my cat!

54 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:48:19pm

re: #30 klys

I do not have enough updings to give this.

I just threw one in for the both of us.

55 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:49:58pm
56 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:50:14pm
57 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:51:13pm

re: #51 Feline Fearless Leader

Does he work IT as well?

[Embedded image]

No, too many stupid users.

58 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:51:19pm

re: #39 Feline Fearless Leader

A message from the Feline Overlords

“And please get rid of that deer god on the wall.”

59 darthstar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:51:22pm

What the fuck?

60 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:52:29pm

re: #59 darthstar

What the fuck?

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When I first saw that on the previous thread, I was so hoping Gus would jump up and say “Gotcha!”.

RBS

61 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:53:22pm

re: #55 Gus

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Sirota’s in the yellow right now:

Youtube Video

62 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:53:25pm
63 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:54:15pm

re: #59 darthstar

What the fuck?

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It’s a media paradigm shifting without a clutch.

64 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:55:37pm

Well, I ain’t superstitious…but a black cat just crossed my path!

Uh hut na na…wah..wah…

65 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:56:23pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

It’s a media paradigm shifting without a clutch.

Nothing assaults the ears quite like the sound of moral and ethical gears grinding.

66 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:57:43pm


Look out Betty! He’s got DRONZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

67 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:57:46pm

New Serious journalism: To join this club, link to BuzzFeed.

68 steve_davis  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:58:08pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

Sirota really is a clown. He’s forgetting that extraordinary claims require corresponding evidence.

For example, I’ve heard that Sirota can get his head up his ass all the way to the 7th cervical vertebra.

In the interests of full disclosure (not required) my source is a recorder inserted into the rectum of a flatulent pig.

Sirota should obviously take this allegation seriously and prove it false.

Was the pig able to play any tunes on the recorder while it was up his flatulent ass? (I’m thinking Kenny G)

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:58:13pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Well, I ain’t superstitious…but a black cat just crossed my path!

Uh hut na na…wah..wah…

There’s a stack of them waiting for you to come back.

70 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:58:49pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

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Look out Betty! He’s got DRONZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Pleading for her life.

71 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:59:08pm

Cat clone #3 (that we know of…)

Here’s my look-alike.

72 missliberties  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:59:26pm

Not gonna give that mofo a click to increase his blog traffic over this sensationalist bs.

Thanks for the heads up though. Sirota is disgusting.

73 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 1:59:44pm

re: #59 darthstar

What the fuck?

[Embedded content]

This is not what I am supposed to be accomplishing today.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:00:39pm
75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:01:12pm

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

There’s a stack of them waiting for you to come back.

[Embedded image]

Please do put that one in your Photobucket. It’s a nice photo that can be used for laughs.

76 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:01:35pm

re: #7 erik_t

fecally synaptic

Oooo. I’ll have to remember that one.

77 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:02:02pm

Damn. Today’s journalism just continues to get more stupid.

78 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:02:06pm

re: #71 makeitstop

Cat clone #3 (that we know of…)

Here’s my look-alike.

At night all cats are gray.

79 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:02:20pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Damn. Today’s journalism just continues to get more stupid.

This is probably why we’ve resorted to cat pictures.

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:03:36pm

re: #79 klys

This is probably why we’ve resorted to cat pictures.

Please tape box and ship me to someplace I don’t have to read this crap

81 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:03:48pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Damn. Today’s journalism just continues to get more stupid.

Well, that’s only because there are so many pretend journalists.

If I can make up stories and write them, does that make me a journalist? Unfortunately, in some quarters, yes.

82 jaunte  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:03:55pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

I don’t know why anyone pays Joe Scarborough a penny to write or speak.

83 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:03:58pm

I forgot to give a hat tip to the lyric and song author in my #64.

Blues man Willie Dixon…and my favorite version electrified a bit more Jeff Beck - Truth with some bum by the name of Rod Stewart on vocals.

84 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:04:46pm

re: #80 Feline Fearless Leader

Please tape box and ship me to someplace I don’t have to read this crap

Reality is painful so we focus on our Feline Overlords so that they may distract us from it.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:04:47pm

I’d Post some cat pictures but my cat ate them all.

86 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:04:58pm

re: #46 klys

He says hello.

FWIW that’s also my cat.

87 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:05:53pm

re: #80 Feline Fearless Leader

Sirota’s Cat?

88 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:06:37pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

I forgot to give a hat tip to the lyric and song author in my #64.

Blues man Willie Dixon…and my favorite version electrified a bit more Jeff Beck - Truth with some bum by the name of Rod Stewart on vocals.

Links to videos are even better.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:08:52pm

re: #85 b_sharp

I’d Post some cat pictures but my cat ate them all.

Tell me more about your theory regarding dog overlordship

91 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:09:04pm

re: #79 klys

This is probably why we’ve resorted to cat pictures.

True. The cats are smarter.

92 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:09:51pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Links to videos are even better.

Well alright…

Here’s a newish one…

Youtube Video

The original from Truth

Youtube Video

The original…

Youtube Video

93 Lidane  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:10:14pm

Shorter Sirota:

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:11:03pm

re: #93 Lidane

Shorter Sirota:

[Embedded image]

“Putting on the foil coach! Want some?”
:D

95 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:11:21pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

Well alright…

The version from ‘Truth’ still makes my neck hairs stand up. Beck was such a freak with that wah.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:14:08pm

Headed for Freeperville

97 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:14:10pm
98 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:15:00pm

re: #95 makeitstop

The version from ‘Truth’ still makes my neck hairs stand up. Beck was such a freak with that wah.

That is why I typed my #64 as I did!

99 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:17:20pm
Obama has backed this up with action, having killed U.S. citizens — including a 16-year-old boy - without charging, much less convicting, any of them with a single crime.

And Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan killed hundreds, if not thousands, of 16-year-old US Citizens without charging, much less convicting, any of them with a single crime. I’d like to know how 1864’s version of Sirota would have reacted to that.

Or maybe when you declare war on your own country, you shouldn’t be surprised when said country takes that declaration seriously?

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:20:56pm

Off to cook some dinner. See you folks later in the evening.

101 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:21:16pm

re: #99 Ian G.

And Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan killed hundreds, if not thousands, of 16-year-old US Citizens without charging, much less convicting, any of them with a single crime. I’d like to know how 1864’s version of Sirota would have reacted to that.

Or maybe when you declare war on your own country, you shouldn’t be surprised when said country takes that declaration seriously?

Sirota is an sheltered-from-reality dudebro. He rejects the idea of resolute external enemies who must be defeated. preferring instead to whine about the actions of his own government. My own words for him are:

“How about rooting for your own country once in a while, you DERPy Dudebro?!”

102 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:22:34pm
103 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:23:25pm

I so want to break something right now.

104 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:26:43pm

re: #103 Kragar

I so want to break something right now.

You could,,,,,

Break Dance
Break the bank
Break-Fast
Break a leg
Break(ing) Bad
or
have a Break Down!

105 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:27:44pm
106 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:28:11pm

re: #104 sattv4u2

You could,,,,,

Break Dance
Break the bank
Break-Fast
Break a leg
Break(ing) Bad
or
have a Break Down!

You keep that up and I’m going to post Limp Bizkit

107 simoom  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:28:40pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord


What’s irritating about that article is Sirota makes the same error many of his fellow travelers have lately, demonstrating he’s either lazy, incompetent or being intentionally misleading. The error is conflating the Patriot Act Section 215 bulk US phone record collection with Section 702 foreign metadata (and content) collection, and using statements about Section 215 collection to claim surveillance, generally, “has had no impact on preventing terrorism”:

Sirota:

President Obama’s NSA oversight panel reviewed the metadata program and found that it “was not essential to preventing attacks.” One panel member flatly admitted “we found none” when asked about evidence that the program had stopped any major terrorist plots.

Then most recently came a New America Foundation study of the surveillance. Evaluating 225 terrorism cases, the analysis concluded that the metadata programs “had no discernible impact on preventing acts of terrorism.”

Here’s what Sirota is referencing in that first paragraph:

investigations.nbcnews.com

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone.

Here’s the part of Stone’s statement Sirota and many others always “overlook”:

The comparison between 702 overseas interceptions and 215 bulk metadata collection was “night and day,” said Stone. “With 702, the record is very impressive. It’s no doubt the nation is safer and spared potential attacks because of 702. There was nothing like that for 215. We asked the question and they [the NSA] gave us the data. They were very straight about it.”

He also said one reason the telephone records program is not effective is because, contrary to the claims of critics, it actually does not collect a record of every American’s phone call. Although the NSA does collect metadata from major telecommunications carriers such as Verizon and AT&T, there are many smaller carriers from which it collects nothing. Asked if the NSA was collecting the records of 75 percent of phone calls, an estimate that has been used in briefings to Congress , Stone said the real number was classified but “not anything close to that” and far lower.

Here’s the NAF study Sirota cites:

bloomberg.com

The nonprofit New America Foundation, based in Washington, analyzed cases involving 225 people recruited by al-Qaeda or other terrorist groups and charged in the U.S. since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

…

“Our investigation found that bulk collection of American phone metadata has had no discernible impact on preventing acts of terrorism and only the most marginal of impacts on preventing terrorist-related activity, such as fundraising for a terrorist group,” Peter Bergen, director of the foundation’s national security program, said in a statement.

Again, only looking at Section 215 collection.

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:29:28pm

re: #106 Kragar

You keep that up and I’m going to post Limp Bizkit

Ah,, so a musical BREAK!!

109 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:34:03pm

re: #106 Kragar

You keep that up and I’m going to post Limp Bizkit

Keep rollin, rollin, rollin….

110 Lidane  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:34:27pm

re: #97 Kragar

111 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:35:51pm

re: #110 Lidane

Niiiice.

112 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:36:25pm

re: #110 Lidane

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I’m proud of her courage but I don’t think what she did was smart. The councilman’s wingnut allies might well decide to stone her just to make the point.

113 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:37:30pm

I don’t like Peter King very much because I think he’s an idiot, but for Greenwald to retweet this shows what a schmuck GG is.


Again, BuzzFeed linked. WTF is this? I just don’t get the love affair between the dudebros and BF.

114 Lidane  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:38:02pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

I’m proud of her courage but I don’t think what she did was smart. The councilman’s wingnut allies might well decide to stone her just to make the point.

And if they do, they’ll be prosecuted. The Bible isn’t a get out of jail free card.

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:38:34pm

re: #114 Lidane

And if they do, they’ll be prosecuted. The Bible isn’t a get out of jail free card.

Not yet, but if the wingnuts have their way…

116 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:38:47pm
117 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:38:48pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

I’m proud of her courage but I don’t think what she did was smart. The councilman’s wingnut allies might well decide to stone her just to make the point.

So because some people are so bigoted as to do violence, she should just keep her mouth shut from calling people on their bullshit?

I mean, that’s what this statement translates to.

118 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:38:57pm
119 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:39:06pm

How is life today?

It is flurry-ing in my part of the world.

Still relatively warm.

120 Lidane  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:40:04pm

re: #118 Kragar

On what Bizarro World is Mike Huckabee a progressive? WTF. That’s like calling Alex Jones rational.

121 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:40:05pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

I’m proud of her courage but I don’t think what she did was smart. The councilman’s wingnut allies might well decide to stone her just to make the point.

I disagree. The fact that all of this biblical babble about ‘abominations’ is essentially calling for people to be murdered out of hand cannot be emphasized enough.

122 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:40:07pm

re: #110 Lidane

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I really do fear this will happen or a women will be burned at the stake.

I’m not sure people realize exactly the extent of hell’s fury.

123 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:41:30pm

re: #120 Lidane

On what Bizarro World is Mike Huckabee a progressive? WTF. That’s like calling Alex Jones rational.

Huckabee is impure on taxes and/or spending. That is enough to get him labeled a communist by a significant fraction of the right wing nuts.

124 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:41:42pm

I vaguely remember some story in the bible where a group of judgmental people wanted to stone a woman…how did it end again?

/

125 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:43:17pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

I’m not sure people realize exactly the extent of hell’s fury

I do

Last month, I didn’t finish the Honey Do list!!!
/

126 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:43:39pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

I really do fear this will happen or a women will be burned at the stake.

I’m not sure people realize exactly the extent of hell’s fury.

IMO the only reason we aren’t already seeing random murders along these lines is that the RW lunatic fringe currently sees such actions as politically harmful to their cause.

127 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:44:22pm
“The DOJ is clearly overstepping in the investigation of my office,” Missoula County Attorney Fred Van Valkenburg tells Mother Jones. “The Missoula Police Department and our office have done a very good job of handling sexual-assault allegations regardless of what national and local news accounts may indicate.”

also Paged.

Because the States have such a good record of implementing the law in a fair and equal manner …

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:44:25pm

Woohoo!

Federal judge strikes down NC’s ultrasound abortion law

“A federal court judge on Friday struck down North Carolina’s controversial law requiring women seeking abortions to be shown an ultrasound image narrated by a doctor.

“U.S. District Court Judge Catherine Eagles ruled that the provision of the 2011 law was an unconstitutional violation of First Amendment rights because it imposes state-mandated speech on medical professionals.

“Eagles called the law “overbroad,” and said it didn’t sufficiently protect women who didn’t want to be exposed to that information.”

Read more here: newsobserver.com

129 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:44:30pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

I’m proud of her courage but I don’t think what she did was smart. The councilman’s wingnut allies might well decide to stone her just to make the point.

Yeah but they didn’t, because they’re chickenshit cowards. Also by the above measure your religion is based on a long line of not smart people, though you call them Saints. This woman’s belief is no less sincere, and being so she put it all on the line.

130 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:44:40pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

IMO the only reason we aren’t already seeing random murders along these lines is that the RW lunatic fringe currently sees such actions as politically harmful to their cause.

Which surprises me, because they’d just go right ahead and blame it on Liberal plants if it ever did happen.

131 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:44:56pm

I’m effing confused. If this Newsweek profile is to be believed, Sirota is nothing but a yappy little ankle-biting progressive political operative who makes money by sliming people and creating distractions.

But wait—wasn’t his pal Greenwald just bitching about AIPAC this morning? Weird, because Sirota’s own book describes how he worked for them back in the ’90s when he moved to D.C. (Naturally, he claims things were different then—it not yet the neoconservative war-mongering organization that the Bush administration turned it into. //)

WTF? These people are all so full of shit. I don’t believe for a second that any of these dudebros give a damn about privacy, or Snowden, or dead Muslims kids, or anything beyond their own bank accounts and massive egos.

*Ka-ching!* Hey Eddie, has it dawned on you yet that your pals are nothing but a bunch well-educated of carnival barkers who’ll drop you the instant you cease being profitable to them in one way or another?

132 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:45:25pm

re: #128 Justanotherhuman

SSM bans, Abortion laws, Voter ID laws….what’s the score now?

Federal Judges 27, Wingnuts 0?

133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:47:15pm

re: #117 klys

So because some people are so bigoted as to do violence, she should just keep her mouth shut from calling people on their bullshit?

I mean, that’s what this statement translates to.

Call them out, but don’t dare them to kill you. That’s the sort of thing that can cause true radicals to think “Challenge Accepted.” I do think she’s got guts, but I wish I could afford to send her one of these (photo below).

Image: 620x142xCobra-Marine-Tactical-12ga.jpg.pagespeed.ic.VWwxaqJ5hD.jpg

134 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:48:37pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

IMO the only reason we aren’t already seeing random murders along these lines is that the RW lunatic fringe currently sees such actions as politically harmful to their cause.

Also, they’re total fucking cowards. Talking shit is easy but people here don’t have the day to day familiarity with death that past generations have. Talking shit is easy, real life violence and carnage is visceral and will push buttons that people don’t even know they have. I can’t tell you how many otherwise hardcore dudes I’ve seen faint at the sight of a little blood.

135 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:49:19pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

Yeah but they didn’t, because they’re chickenshit cowards. Also by the above measure your religion is based on a long line of not smart people, though you call them Saints. This woman’s belief is no less sincere, and being so she put it all on the line.

Point taken.

136 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:49:39pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Please. Thugs run in packs, and if a pack of thugs is determined to carry out some atrocity in the name of their diseased conception of god, a single firearm isn’t going to stop anything.

137 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:50:09pm

re: #136 EPR-radar

I had a similar thought.

138 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:50:59pm

Whitesplaining

139 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:51:52pm

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

I don’t like Peter King very much because I think he’s an idiot, but for Greenwald to retweet this shows what a schmuck GG is.

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Again, BuzzFeed linked. WTF is this? I just don’t get the love affair between the dudebros and BF.

Here’s an answer to THAT bit of know-nothing DERP:

Youtube Video

140 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:53:40pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Call them out, but don’t dare them to kill you. That’s the sort of thing that can cause true radicals to think “Challenge Accepted.” I do think she’s got guts, but I wish I could afford to send her one of these (photo below).

Image: 620x142xCobra-Marine-Tactical-12ga.jpg.pagespeed.ic.VWwxaqJ5hD.jpg

She’s forcing them to own their bullshit in a way few other things can. Most people recoil at the thought of a hate killing - which is what this would be - even people who might otherwise disapprove of the victim.

Facing the uncomfortable reality of what they’re *really* advocating, a lot of people will slink backwards and hopefully re-examine what they’re saying.

It takes a hell of a lot of guts to make that call, and to believe that what you are standing up for is worth the potential price. You might come to a different analysis from the outside, but in her shoes, she decided this was worth it for her.

141 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:53:48pm

re: #136 EPR-radar

Please. Thugs run in packs, and if a pack of thugs is determined to carry out some atrocity in the name of their diseased conception of god, a single firearm isn’t going to stop anything.

Hitting one or two of them with 12 gauge anti-personnel rounds will often make the rest reconsider their choice of victim. xP

142 compound_Idaho  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:54:03pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I vaguely remember some story in the bible where a group of judgmental people wanted to stone a woman…how did it end again?

/

King James Translation
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
A rock comes from the back of the crowd and strikes the woman on the forehead. The crowd parts. Jesus then says “mom, sometimes you just piss the shit out of me”

143 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:55:35pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Hitting one or two of them with 12 gauge anti-personnel rounds will often make the rest reconsider their choice of victim. xP

Because when 6 people jump you, it’s just to easy to draw a gun and aim it straight.

144 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:56:22pm

Hi everyone, just thought I’d stop by and say hello.
Been far too long. Followed the conversations, but haven’t posted in an age.

As usual, I check LGF every day, and as usual, it’s always interesting.

Oh, and Sirota seems like one dumb, attention seeking, misleading, and outright strange creature.

And he makes money peddling BS like that. God bless America.

145 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 2:57:34pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

HOLE

SHOVEL

Stop digging

146 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:00:08pm

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

Because when 6 people jump you, it’s just to easy to draw a gun and aim it straight.

Not in that case, but if they try to break into your house a shotgun is a good defensive weapon.

I’m not saying a 12-gauge is a Magic Talisman, but that it has real value for home defense. There’s no such thing as a perfect defense, but a well planned and properly equipped defense will often convince thugs and bullies that you are no easy prey and thus get them to back off. It may also give you the edge needed to survive if real fanatics come after you. A firearm is a useful part of such a defense, that’s what I’m saying.

147 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:01:01pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Better defense, having a community not wanting to kill you because of centuries old mythology

148 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:03:15pm

Want to know what BuzzFeed’s strategy is? Catch readers while they’re young, use plenty of “advertorials”, and get plenty of money to implement it. “Serious journalism?” Don’t make me laugh.

BuzzFeed announces $19.3m in funding as it transforms internet advertising

Adding serious journalism in between the cat pictures is paying off for Jonah Peretti’s popular social site - and its advertisers

“James McQuivey, a media analyst at Forrester Research and the author of Digital Disruption, described BuzzFeed’s strategy as partially a generational one. “They’re in the mindset of these media companies that are trying to appeal to 20-year-olds with the future of media, while still trying to maintain the admiration of people in their 30s and 40s,” he said. He said that BuzzFeed is part of a wave: “When you’re looking at Mashable and BuzzFeed, you’re looking at clones of each other - frivolity of some types of content and seriousness of others, and advertorial that previous generations of media companies would have considered gauche.”

“That advertorial - advertising content that looks like editorial - is actually the source of BuzzFeed’s financial progress, according to Peretti.

“Peretti attributed nearly all the company’s revenues to its social advertising strategy, which centers around “social advertising” to make ads shareable and working closely with its advertisers in a way that media companies have not been accustomed to. Peretti’s long-time and open disdain for an old stalwart of media advertising - the banner ad, blinking loudly above editorial content - is almost palpable.”

theguardian.com

149 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:03:40pm

Iran is unhappy with Obama’s interpretation of the nuclear deal.
Iran slams US text on nuclear deal

Iran has denounced as “one-sided” a text released by the United States summarising the implementation of the nuclear deal Tehran struck with world powers.

“The White House statement is a unilateral and one-sided interpretation of the unofficial agreements between Iran and P5+1” major powers, foreign ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham said on Friday.

“By no means it is a criterion to evaluate or judge how the Geneva deal will be implemented,” she added in statements carried by the official IRNA news agency.

150 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:03:47pm

re: #131 CuriousLurker

I’m effing confused. If this Newsweek profile is to be believed, Sirota is nothing but a yappy little ankle-biting progressive political operative who makes money by sliming people and creating distractions.

But wait—wasn’t his pal Greenwald just bitching about AIPAC this morning? Weird, because Sirota’s own book describes how he worked for them back in the ’90s when he moved to D.C. (Naturally, he claims things were different then—it not yet the neoconservative war-mongering organization that the Bush administration turned it into. //)

WTF? These people are all so full of shit. I don’t believe for a second that any of these dudebros give a damn about privacy, or Snowden, or dead Muslims kids, or anything beyond their own bank accounts and massive egos.

>*Ka-ching!* Hey Eddie, has it dawned on you yet that your pals are nothing but a bunch well-educated of carnival barkers who’ll drop you the instant you cease being profitable to them in one way or another?

He wrote this about Vietnam veterans.

Legend of spat-upon veterans is merely a myth of war

Out of all the status-quo-sustaining fables we create out of military history, few are as enduring as Vietnam War myths. Desperate to cobble a pro-war cautionary tale out of a blood-soaked tragedy, we keep reimagining the loss in Southeast Asia not as a policy failure but as the product of an America that dishonored returning troops.

Incessantly echoed by Hollywood and Washington since the concurrent successes of the Rambo and Reagan franchises, this legend was the central theme of President Barack Obama’s Memorial Day speech kicking off the government’s commemoration of the Vietnam conflict.

“You were often blamed for a war you didn’t start, when you should have been commended for serving your country with valor,” he told veterans. “You came home and sometimes were denigrated, when you should have been celebrated. It was a national shame, a disgrace that should have never happened.”

It’s undeniable that chronic underfunding of the Veterans Administration unduly harmed Vietnam-era soldiers. However, that lamentable failure was not what Obama was referring to. As the president who escalated the Vietnam-esque war in Afghanistan, he was making a larger argument. Deliberately parroting Rambo’s claim about “a quiet war against all the soldiers returning,” he was asserting that America as a whole spat on soldiers when they came home — even though there’s no proof that this happened on any mass scale.

[…]

It’s a dudebro meme that predates dudebros. I encountered it over ten years ago. It’s important to them to prove that no vet was ever spat on to maintain the holy position of anti-war warrior.

Sirota claims it’s a meme created to shut down anti-war protestors of a later generation.

Every lament of the dudebros seems to be centered on somebody’s trying to shut me down!!!!!

151 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:04:59pm

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

Sounds a lot like that what TIME is doing, but more obvious. It’s awful “journalism”, though they actually on occasion do surprise with a good long-form article.

152 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:05:20pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Not in that case, but if they try to break into your house a shotgun is a good defensive weapon.

I’m not saying a 12-gauge is a Magic Talisman, but that it has real value for home defense. There’s no such thing as a perfect defense, but a well planned and properly equipped defense will often convince thugs and bullies that you are no easy prey and thus get them to back off. It may also give you the edge needed to survive if real fanatics come after you. A firearm is a useful part of such a defense, that’s what I’m saying.

My preference is for a sufficiently high level of civilization that violent fanatics aren’t much of a problem to begin with, and when they do act up, they are harshly dealt with according to a just and functioning legal system.

It is noteworthy that US gun nut opinion (taking recent NRA communications as defining the mainstream here) wants to undercut every element of the preceding paragraph.

153 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:05:28pm

re: #143 Eclectic Cyborg

Because when 6 people jump you, it’s just to easy to draw a gun and aim it straight.

in the kung fu movies, they always come on one or two at a time

154 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:06:43pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

I vaguely remember some story in the bible where a group of judgmental people wanted to stone a woman…how did it end again?

/

Jesus said to the crowd gathered to stone an unclean woman, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Suddenly, a huge meteor plummeted from the sky and crushed the woman.

Jesus said, “Dammit, Dad, I wish you wouldn’t do that.”

155 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:09:51pm

re: #151 HAL2010

Sounds a lot like that what TIME is doing, but more obvious. It’s awful “journalism”, though they actually on occasion do surprise with a good long-form article.

Just seems like a cleaned up, junior version of the National Enquirer to me. It’s not a site I frequent because it doesn’t seem like real news.

156 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:11:09pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Abbas Araghchi, said that if Iran decides to resume enriching uranium to levels prohibited by a nuclear deal it could do so in one day.
“We can return again to 20% enrichment in less than one day, and we can convert the [nuclear] material again,”

usatoday.com

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:11:33pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

He wrote this about Vietnam veterans.

Legend of spat-upon veterans is merely a myth of war

It’s a dudebro meme that predates dudebros. I encountered it over ten years ago. It’s important to them to prove that no vet was ever spat on to maintain the holy position of anti-war warrior.

Sirota claims it’s a meme created to shut down anti-war protestors of a later generation.

Every lament of the dudebros seems to be centered on somebody’s trying to shut me down!!!!!

Sirota can’t admit the ‘other side’ ever has a point. He always has to be absolutely right and anyone who says otherwise is either a dupe, a shill, or a villain.

158 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:11:49pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

He wrote this about Vietnam veterans.

Legend of spat-upon veterans is merely a myth of war

It’s a dudebro meme that predates dudebros. I encountered it over ten years ago. It’s important to them to prove that no vet was ever spat on to maintain the holy position of anti-war warrior.

Sirota claims it’s a meme created to shut down anti-war protestors of a later generation.

Every lament of the dudebros seems to be centered on somebody’s trying to shut me down!!!!!

Look, it’s a dudebro in publishing! (Or rather why, apparently, putting out an anti-harassment policy at conventions is a bad thing.)

Every member of ALA certainly has as a right to expect courteous and professional behavior at conferences and events, and the ALA’s statement on conduct seeks to address what has become a serious problem at other conferences. But the code may give reasonable people pause, because such codes can unwittingly engender a pernicious, even litigious environment all their own, especially when the underlying issues have not been carefully explained.

159 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:12:26pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

That’s the difficult part though, separating the advertorials and “15 things your dog loves (sponsored by dog food) from actual, real news.
It’s no wonder that fringe news sites are flourishing when kids these days don’t know the difference between “news” and news.

Though, Buzzfeed does have the occasional good article.

160 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:13:10pm
That said, it’s still not a good idea to buy drugs off the Internet.

Read more: rollingstone.com

ALSO PAGED

161 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:13:55pm

Intel chairs ask Obama to send bill on NSA changes

bigstory.ap.org

WASHINGTON (AP) — The chairs of the House and Senate intelligence committees are praising President Barack Obama’s speech laying out changes to U.S. spying programs. But they’re questioning whether Obama’s proposal to end the government’s control of phone data is necessary.

(snip)

“The two lawmakers have strongly defended the NSA in the past. They’re urging Obama to send Congress legislation with his proposed changes so that lawmakers can debate them.”
____________

BTW, Bridget Kelly was served w/a subpoena through her “representative”.

162 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:14:54pm

re: #110 Lidane

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Textbook example of ‘WTFPWNBBQ’.

163 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:15:24pm

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Stop NSA spying with this ONE weird trick!

Dudebros friend of mine posted this on FB. (Yes. That irony again).

rt.com

Never mind the lie a out Lavabit. As the Feds raised them because of the guy’s child porn…

164 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:16:10pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

not a good idea to buy drugs off the Internet

i heard that taking canadian viagra will give you canadian erections. eh?

165 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:16:28pm
166 Mike Lamb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:16:30pm

Things I’ve learned:

Bad photo-shopping isn’t doctoring an image.

Anonymous quotes are gospel if furthering the appropriate agenda.

Potentially off the cuff statements = policy pronouncements.

167 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:16:49pm

re: #164 dog philosopher

i heard that taking canadian viagra will give you canadian erections. eh?

What’s Canadian about them? Are they good for playing hockey?

168 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:17:31pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

What’s Canadian about them? Are they good for playing hockey?

I now have a mental image of dick hockey.

Thanks.

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:18:19pm

re: #158 klys

Look, it’s a dudebro in publishing! (Or rather why, apparently, putting out an anti-harassment policy at conventions is a bad thing.)

I hate it when the response to drawing a line against bad behavior is ‘you’ll just make them do it more and worse!’

170 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:18:22pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

I’ve listened to a couple of the Medal of Honor Podcasts from the Pritzker Library in which Vietnam vets described walking the Gauntlet at airports (San Francisco, IIRC, was one).

I have a hard time believing it’s a propaganda lie.

171 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:19:21pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

Abbas Araghchi, said that if Iran decides to resume enriching uranium to levels prohibited by a nuclear deal it could do so in one day.
“We can return again to 20% enrichment in less than one day, and we can convert the [nuclear] material again,”

usatoday.com

And there are no tanks in Baghdad!

172 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:19:28pm

re: #163 GlutenFreeJesus

Dudebros friend of mine posted this on FB. (Yes. That irony again).

rt.com

Never mind the lie a out Lavabit. As the Feds raised them because of the guy’s child porn…

…and the link to Russia Today.

173 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:03pm

Canadian viagara is more potent so it will still be effective in sub zero temperatures.

174 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:05pm

re: #168 klys

I now have a mental image of dick hockey.

Thanks.

That’s what she said.

175 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:20pm

WANTED

176 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:21pm

How do you write *warning, this article will piss-you off, make you cry and pound the walls*

concisely so it can be tweeted along with article’s URL?

177 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:22pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

I hate it when the response to drawing a line against bad behavior is ‘you’ll just make them do it more and worse!’

This should be relatively simple: if you are that worried that your behavior will make people feel uncomfortable, maybe you should be evaluating your behavior, not complaining about the policy.

178 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:47pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

How do you write *warning, this article will piss-you off, make you cry and pound the walls*

concisely so it can be tweeted along with article’s URL?

Warning: people suck.

179 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:20:51pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

…and the link to Russia Today.

Yeah, that amuses me to no end.
Dudebros and right wingers taking that as gospel.

180 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:21:44pm

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I’ve listened to a couple of the Medal of Honor Podcasts from the Pritzker Library in which Vietnam vets described walking the Gauntlet at airports (San Francisco, IIRC, was one).

I have a hard time believing it’s a propaganda lie.

Me too. But besides that, the impossibility of proving it one way or the other, combined with their INSISTENCE that it NEVER happened, shows how important one little facet of all the crap that was going on then is to the modern dudebro. They’re mental.

181 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:23:19pm

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I’ve listened to a couple of the Medal of Honor Podcasts from the Pritzker Library in which Vietnam vets described walking the Gauntlet at airports (San Francisco, IIRC, was one).

I have a hard time believing it’s a propaganda lie.

Sirota will denounce those as “Lies stated under duress!” or “government shills lying to cover their crimes!”. He’ll never admit to any error.

182 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:23:53pm
183 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:24:18pm

This is interesting

184 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:24:32pm

This is interesting.

185 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:24:46pm

That moment when you finally hit compile for the first time …and are greeted with 40 errors.

186 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:25:25pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Me too. But besides that, the impossibility of proving it one way or the other, combined with their INSISTENCE that it NEVER happened, shows how important one little facet of all the crap that was going on then is to the modern dudebro. They’re mental.

If an argument is made that all or no people have done X, the argument is almost certainly invalid.

187 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:25:42pm

re: #178 klys

Warning: people suck.

I don’t think that really captures the extent of the emotional impact of some realities.

188 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:08pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

What’s Canadian about them? Are they good for playing hockey?

they curl.

189 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:22pm

re: #182 Kragar

You posted the same Tweet twice on your Page, Kragar. It’s good stuff, though.

190 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:28pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

…and the link to Russia Today.

Yup…

191 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:31pm

There are people who can’t stand the fact that they missed the 1960s. This explains people like Barrett Brown and David Sirota. The 60s were a time of youth power (as the myth goes). The protesters really did stop a war.

Modern dudebros want things to be that intense again, so they can save the world from itself.

192 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:32pm

re: #187 FemNaziBitch

I don’t think that really captures the extent of the emotional impact of some realities.

No, but I’m not sure you can do that and be concise.

193 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:26:41pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Me too. But besides that, the impossibility of proving it one way or the other, combined with their INSISTENCE that it NEVER happened, shows how important one little facet of all the crap that was going on then is to the modern dudebro. They’re mental.

Well, people like Sirota weren’t even born then, so how can he possibly comment on something like that, except swallow what he reads from a certain perspective?

I was active as a war protestor back then, and I can tell you, in NC circles, and in DC, Phila, and NYC, where I frequented demonstrations, I never saw anything of the sort. In fact, in NC we had vets who participated in our activities.

Another meme is the bra-burning crap. Never saw that, either, until at a party one night in 1971, a group of us were talking about that, and decided to light the BBQ and roast ours. Well, the ones that were wearing them. : )

194 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:27:02pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Me too. But besides that, the impossibility of proving it one way or the other, combined with their INSISTENCE that it NEVER happened, shows how important one little facet of all the crap that was going on then is to the modern dudebro. They’re mental.

I think it can be proven, news archives, police records, personal pictures …

195 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:27:22pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

Abbas Araghchi, said that if Iran decides to resume enriching uranium to levels prohibited by a nuclear deal it could do so in one day.
“We can return again to 20% enrichment in less than one day, and we can convert the [nuclear] material again,”

usatoday.com

24 hour party people!

196 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:28:03pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

There are people who can’t stand the fact that they missed the 1960s. This explains people like Barrett Brown and David Sirota. The 60s were a time of youth power (as the myth goes). The protesters really did stop a war.

Modern dudebros want things to be that intense again, so they can save the world from itself.

I think they are scared shitless that the “power of the people” is alive again moving society forward.

197 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:29:12pm

re: #192 klys

No, but I’m not sure you can do that and be concise.

I thought of this:
*FUCK THIS AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON*

shortened to
*FTATH*

???

198 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:29:32pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout

24 hour party people!

What a difference a day makes
Twenty-four little hours

Youtube Video

199 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:29:44pm

re: #171 GlutenFreeJesus

And there are no tanks in Baghdad!

I wonder what Baghdad Bob is up to today.

200 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:29:53pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

You posted the same Tweet twice on your Page, Kragar. It’s good stuff, though.

Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed now.

201 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:30:03pm

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I thought of this:
*FUCK THIS AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON*

shortened to
*FTATH*

???

Once it catches on it could work.

That’s the problem with acronyms.

202 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:30:08pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

I wonder what Baghdad Bob is up to today.

International correspondent for CNN?

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:31:30pm

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I thought of this:
*FUCK THIS AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON*

shortened to
*FTATH*

???

The problem with that is it invites questions about why you think the horse should be fucked.

///

204 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:31:31pm

re: #193 Justanotherhuman

I’m not saying it didn’t happen in other locales. But I never witnessed it. Any group I ever worked with was welcoming to vets. We didn’t blame those draftees who weren’t able to get out of it. Most didn’t have any control over their fate.

205 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:32:42pm

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I thought of this:
*FUCK THIS AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON*

shortened to
*FTATH*

???

“evil” might fit the bill, if there are human villains in the outrageous story.

206 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:32:44pm

re: #193 Justanotherhuman

Well, people like Sirota weren’t even born then, so how can he possibly comment on something like that, except swallow what he reads from a certain perspective?

I was active as a war protestor back then, and I can tell you, in NC circles, and in DC, Phila, and NYC, where I frequented demonstrations, I never saw anything of the sort. In fact, in NC we had vets who participated in our activities.

Another meme is the bra-burning crap. Never saw that, either, until at a party one night in 1971, a group of us were talking about that, and decided to light the BBQ and roast ours. Well, the ones that were wearing them. : )

Mr. w helped organize the 1971 March on Washington. He was in the VVAW. The stupidity of the position that ‘no vet was ever spat upon’, is that if a vet WAS spat upon, it doesn’t mean anything bad about the anti-war movement at the time. They seem to be defending something that needs no defense.

The bra-burning denail is similar. I’m not sure what the denialists are trying to do in that case. It wasn’t common, but I saw it on the news at the time, and you can find photos on the internet of burning bras being dropped into a trash can.

207 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:33:12pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

I wonder what Baghdad Bob is up to today.

Few years ago he was a political commentator on an Arabic news channel. He wasn’t part of the deck of 52. No idea what he is doing now though.

208 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:33:14pm
209 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:34:08pm

re: #207 HAL2010

Few years ago he was a political commentator on an Arabic news channel. He wasn’t part of the deck of 52. No idea what he is doing now though.

His wiki page says he retired to UAE. That sounds nice.

210 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:34:19pm

re: #205 EPR-radar

“evil” might fit the bill, if there are human villains in the outrageous story.

gives a moral connotation which invites debate.

i’d like to stay away from that quandry.

211 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:34:44pm

Whether they intend to or not, the dudebros are certainly working hard to plant a “blame America” meme just in case Snowden does meet with an unfortunate accident. Do they simply not care that this will make it easier for Putin to have Snowjob rubbed out once the FSB ceases to find him useful, or could they really be so naive they don’t know?

212 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:36:24pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Whether they intend to or not, the dudebros are certainly working hard to plant a “blame America” meme just in case Snowden does meet with an unfortunate accident. Do they simply not care that this will make it easier for Putin to have Snowjob rubbed out once the FSB ceases to find him useful, or could they really be so naive they don’t know?

They don’t care: Edward Snowden is for them simply a vessel through which they channel their angst, reality-denial, and butthurt.

213 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:36:27pm
214 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:36:56pm

re: #211 Shiplord Kirel

Whether they intend to or not, the dudebros are certainly working hard to plant a “blame America” meme just in case Snowden does meet with an unfortunate accident. Do they simply not care that this will make it easier for Putin to have Snowjob rubbed out once the FSB ceases to find him useful, or could they really be so naive they don’t know?

I think they’d see a dead Snowden as an asset. Makes them even more relevant. Proves their point, whatever it may be.

215 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:37:49pm
216 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:38:30pm

re: #215 wrenchwench

shouldn’t a photo from the early 1990s be in color?

217 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:38:31pm

I’m still betting on a traffic accident for Snowjob, with defenestration for Assange (the Ecuadorian embassy is on the second floor and has a nice balcony).

218 GlutenFreeJesus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:38:33pm

The Target hacking code was written in Russian. Cue GG and Eddie anger.

Not.

219 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:39:35pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

shouldn’t a photo from the early 1990s be in color?

This was taken last month.

220 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:40:12pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

shouldn’t a photo from the early 1990s be in color?

There was no color in LA that day.

/

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:41:30pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

I think they’d see a dead Snowden as an asset. Makes them even more relevant. Proves their point, whatever it may be.

Would certainly protect them from Snowden ever getting out of Russia and giving an interview where he said that he screwed up, was set up, and proceeds to not be the patriotic martyr they need him to be.

222 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:41:46pm

re: #219 klys

Point taken, I just don’t recall B&W being that common in news coverage. If the L.A. earthquake pic isn’t from news coverage, the B&W makes more sense. For some reason, I just assumed it was a media photo.

223 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:42:14pm

OK, I just logged in to my other Twitter account, and now I see the horrible redesign everyone was complaining about yesterday. Will it go away?

224 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:42:17pm

re: #218 GlutenFreeJesus

The Target hacking code was written in Russian. Cue GG and Eddie anger.

Not.

Malware was developed almost a year ago by a 17 yr old, BTW, who sold it to cyber-criminals.

thehackernews.com

225 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:42:22pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

I think they’d see a dead Snowden as an asset. Makes them even more relevant. Proves their point, whatever it may be.

Snowden has the bad habit of dealing with people who are likely to find him to be more useful dead than alive.

226 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:43:50pm

re: #225 EPR-radar

Snowden has the bad habit of dealing with people who are likely to find him to be more useful dead than alive.

That’s what happens when you’re looking for friends. I imagine Eddie never had very many.

227 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:43:51pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Point taken, I just don’t recall B&W being that common in news coverage. If the L.A. earthquake pic isn’t from news coverage, the B&W makes more sense. For some reason, I just assumed it was a media photo.

I suspect it’s from the archives of photos shot that day (going off the hashtag, for the LA Times) but may not have been run.

Looking at the composition, it seems it’s one of those that probably works better in B&W than it does in color. I had a bunch of photos like that from this most recent trip, which surprised me, so it’s something I’ve been looking at (to understand where the composition is better played up/what makes it a better photo).

228 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:44:56pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Point taken, I just don’t recall B&W being that common in news coverage. If the L.A. earthquake pic isn’t from news coverage, the B&W makes more sense. For some reason, I just assumed it was a media photo.

Time traveler from the past took that pic.
Confirmed Fact.

229 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:45:40pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

He wrote this about Vietnam veterans.

Legend of spat-upon veterans is merely a myth of war

It’s a dudebro meme that predates dudebros. I encountered it over ten years ago. It’s important to them to prove that no vet was ever spat on to maintain the holy position of anti-war warrior.

Sirota claims it’s a meme created to shut down anti-war protestors of a later generation.

Every lament of the dudebros seems to be centered on somebody’s trying to shut me down!!!!!

Ugh. Somehow I’m not surprised. Assholes.

Sorry for the slow response, but LGF keeps crapping out on me no matter which browser I use or how many times I clear my cache & restart.

I’m in now on Chrome, but it’s s-l-o-w going.

230 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:48:39pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

Ugh. Somehow I’m not surprised. Assholes.

Sorry for the slow response, but LGF keeps crapping out on me no matter which browser I use or how many times I clear my cache & restart.

I’m in now on Chrome, but it’s s-l-o-w going.

I’ve had a couple of cut-outs, but once was definitely my modem, so I figured they all were.

231 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:49:08pm

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Malware was developed almost a year ago by a 17 yr old, BTW, who sold it to cyber-criminals.

thehackernews.com

He only created that code because the NSA was spying on him and oppressing him!!1 If we didn’t spy and got rid of the drones people wouldn’t hate us or want to hurt us any more.

232 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:49:31pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

I’ve had a couple of cut-outs, but once was definitely my modem, so I figured they all were.

One of the internet tubes broke.

233 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:53:30pm

Another word to the wise, if there are any among the dudebros:

An old college friend of mine happens to be the general in charge of a certain Latin American country’s intelligence service (not Ecuador). Like that country, though, the place is a democracy now, but it hasn’t always been and in fact wasn’t within less than the span of a typical operative’s career. Suffice to say that the game is not played there the same way it would be here.

You don’t want to mess around with any foreign intelligence service unless you really REALLY know what you are doing. The KGB legacy is institutionalized within the FSB, while the Ecuadorian services have plenty of holdovers from the former dictatorships in that country. A dog does not lose its instincts just because a new master is holding the leash.

234 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:55:06pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

Your post identifies the country, was that on purpose?

235 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:56:04pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

One of the internet tubes broke.

Is that why I have these bits all over my desk?

236 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:56:08pm

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

Your post identifies the country, was that on purpose?

No it doesn’t, my friend is in a different country. I’ll make a clarification.

237 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:56:53pm

I did not know this:

…Morgan bank, an institution so secretive that its imposing building carried no sign or name, only the number 23 on the door. (When asked in front of the Senate committee how clients found their way to his bank, Morgan said smugly, “Most of them know the address.”) …

also Paged

238 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:59:08pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

One of the internet tubes broke.

Heh, that totally reminds me of my mom replacing tubes on our TV when they would blow out. She loved tinkering with the TV.

Who else is old enough to remember taking those tubes in and testing them? Raise you hands so I won’t feel like a lonely old relic.

239 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 3:59:51pm

I have this urge to punch this Caleb Hannan guy in the face.

240 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:00:34pm

re: #239 Gus

I have this urge to punch this Caleb Hannan guy in the face.

I hope the family files a civil suit that destroys him.

241 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:01:33pm

re: #240 Kragar

I hope the family files a civil suit that destroys him.

Criminal charges are out of the question?

242 Kragar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:02:05pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

Criminal charges are out of the question?

I really don’t know.

243 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:03:02pm

Good to be back, now bed. Got big news happening in about a week.

Oh, and I turned 28 about an hour ago.

Goodnight from Sweden

244 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:03:37pm

re: #238 CuriousLurker

Heh, that totally reminds me of my mom replacing tubes on our TV when they would blow out. She loved tinkering with the TV.

Who else is old enough to remember taking those tubes in and testing them? Raise you hands so I won’t feel like a lonely old relic.

The hell is that thing???
/

245 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:03:50pm

Surprise!

246 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:04:27pm

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

This is interesting

Not really.

247 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:04:39pm
248 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:04:56pm

re: #185 klys

That moment when you finally hit compile for the first time …and are greeted with 40 errors.

Turn off warnings until you get rid of the errors.

249 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:04:56pm

re: #185 klys

That moment when you finally hit compile for the first time …and are greeted with 40 errors.

Now down to like 5, after which we get to establish if the code actually does what it is supposed to do.

250 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:05:27pm

re: #248 b_sharp

Turn off warnings until you get rid of the errors.

const is God’s way of saying “I hate you.”

251 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:05:42pm

re: #248 b_sharp

Turn off warnings until you get rid of the errors.

FTFY.

252 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:06:30pm

re: #251 Varek Raith

FTFY.

Yah, it doesn’t really have to run on any other platforms.

253 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:07:13pm

re: #249 klys

Now down to like 5, after which we get to establish if the code actually does what it is supposed to do.

Compile or link errors?

254 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:07:25pm

re: #252 b_sharp

Yah, it doesn’t really have to run on any other platforms.

And in some cases it doesn’t have to run at all!
-EA Games

255 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:08:01pm

Okay, browsers are still giving me grief. BBL

256 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:08:35pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

Criminal charges are out of the question?

My guess would be only in the UK.

257 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:09:39pm

re: #253 b_sharp

Compile or link errors?

Compile.

Generally relating to pointers and/or const.

This is what I get for writing it out in bulk not in the UNIX interface and then just porting it in.

258 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:10:08pm

re: #238 CuriousLurker

Heh, that totally reminds me of my mom replacing tubes on our TV when they would blow out. She loved tinkering with the TV.

Who else is old enough to remember taking those tubes in and testing them? Raise you hands so I won’t feel like a lonely old relic.

*hand up*

The tester was at the 7-11 store.

259 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:10:29pm

re: #255 CuriousLurker

Okay, browsers are still giving me grief. BBL

Fricken browsers should all follow the same standards.

260 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:10:29pm

re: #257 klys

Compile.

Generally relating to pointers and/or const.

This is what I get for writing it out in bulk not in the UNIX interface and then just porting it in.

I’m glad I got out of that game.
XD

261 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:12:17pm

re: #257 klys

Compile.

Generally relating to pointers and/or const.

This is what I get for writing it out in bulk not in the UNIX interface and then just porting it in.

Pointers just wait until you turn your back, then they stab you.

262 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:13:19pm

re: #261 b_sharp

Pointers just wait until you turn your back, then they stab you.

Variables don’t and constants aren’t, right?

263 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:13:24pm

re: #260 Varek Raith

I’m glad I got out of that game.
XD

So am I.

264 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:14:22pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

Variables don’t and constants aren’t, right?

Functionally true.

265 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:16:29pm

The Glass of Glass-Steagall.

266 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:18:39pm

re: #246 b_sharp

Not really.

Domestic Terrorism doesn’t interest you?

267 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:18:49pm

re: #185 klys

That moment when you finally hit compile for the first time …and are greeted with 40 errors.

Is that all? You’re doing well.

268 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:21:19pm

An analogy for what one is all too likely to encounter in self initiated dealings with foreign intelligence types:
A group of dudebros decide to amuse themselves by holding a protest outside CIA headquarters. They gather up some wine and exotic smokes, and engage in the usual kabuki dance outside the gates, only to have a resurrected Tony Poe of Laos war fame tossing their heads out of a helicopter the next day.

269 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:21:34pm

re: #266 FemNaziBitch

Domestic Terrorism doesn’t interest you?

Check which post I responded to.

270 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:22:20pm

re: #267 Romantic Heretic

Is that all? You’re doing well.

Sometimes all those errors are because of one mistake.

271 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:23:19pm

re: #229 CuriousLurker

Ugh. Somehow I’m not surprised. Assholes.

Sorry for the slow response, but LGF keeps crapping out on me no matter which browser I use or how many times I clear my cache & restart.

I’m in now on Chrome, but it’s s-l-o-w going.

If you’re using your ISP’s default DNS settings, you might try looking into alternatives.

272 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:23:35pm

re: #270 b_sharp

Sometimes all those errors are because of one mistake.

So far, it’s been one “;” instead of a “,”, the hated const issues, and one missing “;” altogether.

273 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:23:56pm
Pecora had hoped to chair the new S.E.C. Instead, to the dismay of many observers, Roosevelt appointed Joseph P. Kennedy. The attorney Jerome Frank described the appointment as “like setting a wolf to guard a flock of sheep.”

History is stranger than fiction.

also paged

274 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:25:23pm

re: #269 b_sharp

Check which post I responded to.

ah!

275 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:26:59pm

re: #185 klys

That moment when you finally hit compile for the first time …and are greeted with 40 errors.

compile and test early and often!

i like to write 5 - 10 lines of code, compile, test and fix before continuing on to the next little chunk of logic

276 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:27:00pm

re: #272 klys

So far, it’s been one “;” instead of a “,”, the hated const issues, and one missing “;” altogether.

typical.

277 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:27:18pm

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

ah!

gotcha.

278 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:27:33pm

re: #275 dog philosopher

compile and test early and often!

i like to write 5 - 10 lines of code, compile, test and fix before continuing on to the next little chunk of logic

As do I.

279 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:28:35pm

re: #257 klys

Compile.

Generally relating to pointers and/or const.

This is what I get for writing it out in bulk not in the UNIX interface and then just porting it in.

the only purpose of const is to institute calvinism in programming

280 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:29:17pm

re: #275 dog philosopher

compile and test early and often!

i like to write 5 - 10 lines of code, compile, test and fix before continuing on to the next little chunk of logic

Normally I would. I’m still getting used to working in a ssh UNIX environment, though, and I’d ended up with some pretty thorough psuedo-code as a result.

It does now compile, I’m down to one warning. I refuse to test it until I have made this warning go away.

281 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:29:51pm

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

shouldn’t a photo from the early 1990s be in color?

Almost all of my “real” photography with my digital camera is 3024x3024 monochrome.

282 klys  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:30:34pm

re: #279 dog philosopher

the only purpose of const is to institute calvinism in programming

This warning would go away if I deleted all the const tags.

Not quite true, because I’d gain about 40 from strcpy yelling at me.

283 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:30:35pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

Variables don’t and constants aren’t, right?

Stack overflow is not your friend.

284 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:30:54pm

re: #278 b_sharp

As do I.

rule #1: never eat anything bigger than your head

rule #2: never write a subroutine that won’t fit within one screen on your monitor

corollary: if you like long subroutines, get a bigger monitor

285 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:32:07pm

I think I may cry

Anne Frank in her Montessori Classroom.

Anne Frank in her Montessori Classroom.

286 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:32:45pm

re: #280 klys

Normally I would. I’m still getting used to working in a ssh UNIX environment, though, and I’d ended up with some pretty thorough psuedo-code as a result.

It does now compile, I’m down to one warning. I refuse to test it until I have made this warning go away.

Scare it.

287 dog philosopher  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:33:00pm

re: #282 klys

This warning would go away if I deleted all the const tags.

Not quite true, because I’d gain about 40 from strcpy yelling at me.

goddamn overprotective subroutine libraries

288 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:33:21pm
289 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:33:28pm

re: #284 dog philosopher

rule #1: never eat anything bigger than your head

rule #2: never write a subroutine that won’t fit within one screen on your monitor

corollary: if you like long subroutines, get a bigger monitor

Turn your monitor sideways.

290 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:34:13pm

re: #289 b_sharp

Turn your monitor sideways.

And set the font size to the smallest you can barely read.

291 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:35:55pm

Water-relief tankers filled from Charleston water system

CHARLESTON, W.Va. — West Virginia American Water pulled its bulk water tankers out of service in Kanawha County Thursday evening, after complaints that the water being distributed to residents had the same odor as the chemical-tainted water from last week’s Freedom Industries spill into the Elk River.

292 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:37:12pm

re: #279 dog philosopher

the only purpose of const is to institute calvinism in programming

I am SO tempted to use that one in class next week, even if it doesn’t really fit the subject matter.

RBS

293 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:38:16pm

Caleb Hannan outs transwoman. What are the limitations to outting and journalism? Discuss. O.O

294 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:38:19pm

Ok, this qualifies as *EVIL*

295 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:39:26pm

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

Ok, this qualifies as *EVIL*

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Holy fuck.

296 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:41:47pm
297 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:41:52pm

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

Ok, this qualifies as *EVIL*

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en.wikipedia.org

Well, that’s a depressing read.

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:42:50pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Call them out, but don’t dare them to kill you. That’s the sort of thing that can cause true radicals to think “Challenge Accepted.” I do think she’s got guts, but I wish I could afford to send her one of these (photo below).

[redacted]

You can catch a glimpse of the cowardly man and the brave woman here. I think you’ll agree she was in no danger from him, and probably ready to take on whoever else wants to be an idiot.

299 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:43:31pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

en.wikipedia.org

Well, that’s a depressing read.

Especially this:

The concept of the human zoo has not completely disappeared. A Congolese village was displayed at the Brussels 1958 World’s Fair.[15] In April 1994, an example of an Ivory Coast village was presented as part of an African safari in Port-Saint-Père, near Nantes, in France, later called Planète Sauvage.

An African village was opened in Augsburg’s zoo in Germany in July 2005. In August 2005, London Zoo also displayed humans wearing fig leaves.
In 2007, Adelaide Zoo ran a Human Zoo exhibit which consisted of a group of people who, as part of a study exercise, had applied to be housed in the former ape enclosure by day, but then returned home by night. The inhabitants took part in several exercises, much to the amusement of onlookers, who were asked for donations towards a new ape enclosure. In 2007, Pygmy performers at the Festival of Pan-African Music were housed (although not exhibited) at a zoo in Brazzaville, Congo.

In Mexican zoos, such as Guadalajara Zoo and most evidently at the well-known safari Africam Safari, located in Puebla, Puebla, Mexico; there are “African Villages displayed, with sculptures of Africans with a bone on their head cooking a white explorer, and there are even native African people working as exhibit in these safari parks.

300 GeneJockey  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:45:28pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

Mr. w helped organize the 1971 March on Washington. He was in the VVAW. The stupidity of the position that ‘no vet was ever spat upon’, is that if a vet WAS spat upon, it doesn’t mean anything bad about the anti-war movement at the time. They seem to be defending something that needs no defense.

The bra-burning denail is similar. I’m not sure what the denialists are trying to do in that case. It wasn’t common, but I saw it on the news at the time, and you can find photos on the internet of burning bras being dropped into a trash can.

I once got into a discussion with a Wingnut who is a Vietnam Vet, whose own story about being ‘spat on by liberals’ turned out to be some drunken biker chick in a bar who wanted to use the pool table.

I’m not sure how he determined her political views.

301 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:47:16pm

re: #300 GeneJockey

I once got into a discussion with a Wingnut who is a Vietnam Vet, whose own story about being ‘spat on by liberals’ turned out to be some drunken biker chick in a bar who wanted to use the pool table.

I’m not sure how he determined her political views.

By reading the bubbles in the spittle?

302 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:47:36pm

Belgium. Heh.

304 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:48:58pm


I recently had a hospital call regarding sexual abuse of a minor. I can’t describe the state of the parents. Children seem so resiliant —the parents were shattered —in a way, they were the reflection of their inner-state of their child.

305 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:49:56pm

re: #303 Gus

Congo children/wives whose fathers/husbands failed to meet rubber-collection quotas often had their hands cut off.

Listen to the yell of Leopold’s ghost,
Burning in Hell for his hand-maimed host.
Hear how the demons chuckle and yell,
Cutting his hands off, down in Hell.

306 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:50:41pm

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

Ok, this qualifies as *EVIL*

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You might appreciate Three Men of the Beagle. The South American natives taken to England to be educated/christianized/civilized were at least treated decently, more or less. Darwin and Fitzroy seriously quarreled over these events.

307 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:51:29pm

Off to bed.

308 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:51:51pm

re: #273 FemNaziBitch

History is stranger than fiction.

also paged

Pecora had the smarts, but Joe Kennedy had the political connections. There was also the fact that J.P. Morgan Jr. knew what he was doing when he called Pecora a “wop” and a “criminal”. In the 1930’s Sicilians were still often subjected to serious prejudice and then (and even now) they were often identified in people’s minds with the mafia. FDR wanted someone who could in time be universally respected, which sadly Pecora could not be. Smart and fearless though he was, the fact that the papers reported his skin as being “olive-colored” counted too much against him.

309 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:52:18pm

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

Especially this:

the Star Trek TOS episode involving a human zoo in an alien culture was produced not so long after the 1958 picture was taken.

1966, The Menagerie

310 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:53:58pm

re: #306 abolitionist

You might appreciate Three Men of the Beagle. The South American natives taken to England to be educated/christianized/civilized were at least treated decently, more or less. Darwin and Fitzroy seriously quarreled over these events.

in the queue

311 GeneJockey  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:55:59pm

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

the Star Trek TOS episode involving a human zoo in an alien culture was produced not so long after the 1958 picture was taken.

1966, The Menagerie

That episode was actually the first pilot for the series, shot in 1964 IIRC. They reworked it into an episode of the series by setting it ~15 years prior to TOS.

312 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:56:46pm

So basically. European colonialists were terrorists once-upon-a-time in Africa.

313 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:57:14pm

THAT’S NOT TERRORISM! THEY WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE! //

314 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:58:40pm

re: #312 Gus

So basically. European colonialists were terrorists once-upon-a-time in Africa.

Did you have any doubts?

315 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:00:37pm

Another example of *pure evil*

316 Gus  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:01:40pm

re: #314 b_sharp

Did you have any doubts?

No. It’s just not something I think about every day. You know how I sometimes speak like an ad agency. :D

Also. Indian reservations were basically concentration camps.

317 GeneJockey  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:04:53pm

re: #316 Gus

No. It’s just not something I think about every day. You know how I sometimes speak like an ad agency. :D

Also. Indian reservations were basically concentration camps.

There you go again! Blaming America first!

Seriously, the folks who talk about God no longer favoring America because we treat gays better than we used to figure God was just fine with enslaving one race and nearly exterminating another.

318 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:17:23pm
319 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:22:06pm

re: #255 CuriousLurker

Okay, browsers are still giving me grief. BBL

I think the NSA installed a new policy today. Instead of capturing your data and storing it, they now need to come in to your phone/pad/pc/laptop to all emails, comments, conversations, browsing and posts and read them all in real time. The only way that can be achieved is if they slow everything down to allow reading and saving the meta data by hand on a notepad.

That and the pens run dry real quick and the pencil tips break. This will not go well. /

320 simoom  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:35:02pm

Sirota and Buzzfeed need to add Edward Snowden to their list, as an intelligence contractor who called for “leakers to be shot”.

Arstechnica: In 2009, Ed Snowden said leakers “should be shot.” Then he became one

321 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 5:38:02pm

re: #238 CuriousLurker

Heh, that totally reminds me of my mom replacing tubes on our TV when they would blow out. She loved tinkering with the TV.

Who else is old enough to remember taking those tubes in and testing them? Raise you hands so I won’t feel like a lonely old relic.

My dad had a TV and radio repair shop. My job when I stayed the day with him was to check all the tubes in the sets brought in for repairs. He’d let me take the backs off, vacuum out the dust, pull the tubes and replace them from stock. One time, I vividly remember, my thumb bridged two leads attached to a capacitor. Holy F’g God! It felt like someone had lit my thumb on fire. I spent the rest of the day with my thumb in a cup of ice water.

322 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 6:52:02pm
Nearly four children die every day in this country as a result of abuse or neglect. Most of them are under four years old. Almost half will not live to their first birthday. Up to 10 million children in this country are expose to domestic violence each year.
323 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 6:54:40pm

from my part of the world.


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