MN GOP State Senator Sued for Defaulting on Small Business Administration Loan

A “fiscal conservative”
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Minnesota Republican State Senator Sean R. Nienow calls himself a small-government fiscal conservative, yet for some reason he’s reportedly in default on a six-figure loan from the Small Business Administration: Sen. Sean Nienow, R-Cambridge, Wife Sued in $613,000 Federal Loan Default.

The Nienows borrowed the money for their company, the National Camp Association, Inc., described in news accounts as an organization that helps parents select a camp. The association, which is listed on the Minnesota secretary of state’s website at the ­Nienows’ home address in ­Cambridge, also was sued.

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The suit alleges that on Jan. 16, 2009, the SBA provided the loan to the association and it was personally guaranteed by the Nienows. A copy of the signed guarantee is attached to the suit.

“The defendants ceased making payments on or about July 28, 2010, and the Note has not been repaid,” the suit said. “Defendants have defaulted under the terms and conditions of the Note by failing to repay said Note.”

Although demand for ­payment was made, the Nienows did not comply, the suit said, and they owe an unpaid principal balance of $558,076.53 and administrative costs of $189,861.09 for a total of $747,937.62.

Sen. Nienow, 46, did not respond Friday to phone calls, a text message or e-mail.

An organization that helps parents select a camp. What could be more wholesome and family-friendly?

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249 comments
1 Kragar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 5:56:24pm

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

2 Ryan King  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 5:58:26pm

He should take a drug test.

3 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 5:59:51pm

What kind of business do they run? A monkey business?

4 GlutenFreeJesus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:01:56pm

“But both sides do it!”

5 Ryan King  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:04:13pm

Now that’s some government cheese.

6 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:05:20pm

I can’t even find a website for “National Camp Association, Inc”.

Grifters.

7 Kragar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:06:40pm

re: #6 Justanotherhuman

I can’t even find a website for “National Camp Association, Inc”.

Grifters.

Check under showtunes.

8 Kragar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:07:04pm
9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:07:17pm

An organization that helps parents select a camp. What could be more wholesome?

10 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:09:40pm

So, if we didn’t already know it, the “personal guarantee” of a fiscal conservative is worth exactly nothing.

11 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:12:15pm

re: #10 Skip Intro

So, if we didn’t already know it, the “personal guarantee” of a fiscal conservative is worth exactly nothing.

“You fucked up. You trusted me! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe I can help.”

12 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:15:02pm

Here is a yahoo listing for Nat’l Camp Association: search.yahoo.com

13 Kragar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:18:41pm
14 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:21:46pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

An organization that helps parents select a camp. What could be more wholesome?

What’s the odds on this deadbeat (or his seconds) eventually trying to make out the SBA lawsuit to get their (our) money back as an attempt by the Obama administration to bring him down?

15 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:26:42pm

re: #13 Kragar

WWKGD?

16 Kragar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:33:23pm
17 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:39:55pm

re: #16 Kragar

Yes, Conor Friedersdorf is improving President Obama’s speech, because that’s just how wonderful he is!

Narcissism is the defining characteristic of the dudebro columnist.

18 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:42:36pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Yes, Conor Friedersdorf is improving President Obama’s speech, because that’s just how wonderful he is!

Narcissism is the defining characteristic of the dudebro columnist.

Presi-splaining.

19 Mattand  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:46:39pm
An organization that helps parents select a camp.

Isn’t that called “Google”?

20 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:47:30pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Yes, Conor Friedersdorf is improving President Obama’s speech, because that’s just how wonderful he is!

Narcissism is the defining characteristic of the dudebro columnist.

I’ve been lurking and catching up from behind on most of the day’s threads all along, but seeing your comment, I had to jump in and say there seems to be a whole hell of a lot of the narcissistic, arrogant and pompous, call it what you want, blended into a unreadable stew going in many of the linked articles today. Of course any time you have to discuss Greenwald and Snowden you are well down the road.

21 sagehen  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 6:53:02pm

re: #8 Kragar

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Because people who are deeply opposed to premarital sex… end up marrying someone they should have just spent a weekend with.

22 jaunte  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:04:38pm

This kind of thing wouldn’t have happened to King George.

23 Belafon  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:27:47pm

re: #22 jaunte

You mean the Republican need to find Obama’s Watergate, Obama’s 9-11, and Obama’s Katrina is just Issa kidding around?

24 jaunte  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:29:53pm

re: #23 Belafon

One kind of speculation is a canard, and the other one, about how King George would have misused the NSA if he had it, is just good solid thinking.

25 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:36:29pm
26 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:40:57pm

re: #21 sagehen

Because people who are deeply opposed to premarital sex… end up marrying someone they should have just spent a weekend with.

The understanding of marriage and “family” is so larded with social punishment for non-conformity (in the form of gossip, shunning, and shaming) that you end up with people first doing nothing to make the marriage work, then blowing up the marriage just to escape. I’d to add that the community-endorsed model of conflict resolution in those “conservative Christian” enclaves basically involves the wife shutting up, no other discussion, the husband being “the man” and thus discouraged from sharing burdens with his wife, and the worst possible cocktail of gendered malarkey that keeps people from being open and honest.

27 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:50:47pm
28 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:55:35pm

Dennis Rodman checks into rehab.

29 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:56:27pm
30 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:57:39pm

re: #28 Gus

Again. How many times does this make it?

31 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:59:03pm

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

A comprehensive list would take too long.

32 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 7:59:31pm

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

Again. How many times does this make it?

Hell if I know. :D

33 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:05:45pm

re: #22 jaunte

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This kind of thing wouldn’t have happened to King George.

34 Pie-onist Overlord  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:08:07pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

An organization that helps parents select a camp. What could be more wholesome?

You mean like Camps For Troubled Teens

35 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:19:27pm

Damn computer errors. I had to reboot just before now.

36 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:23:44pm

So, they borrowed $600K to fund an organization to help parents choose summer camps? They must have had one hell of a business plan. I figure I could do the same thing with a few hundred dollars, a PO box and a website. Why would they need $600K?

My suspicious nature tells me this fiscal conservative may have used the government money to pay off some other debts, or to line his own pockets. Or, alternatively, he sucks at running a business.

37 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:26:22pm
38 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:32:43pm

Yeah, that is pretty deep.

40 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:41:39pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

I need to be honest: That series of photos angers me. However, its too late for me to get into a discussion about it, as I had a long day and am tired.

Good Night All.

41 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:42:44pm

Art is supposed to generate a response, and that response is not guaranteed to be feel-goody.

42 Lidane  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:43:16pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

Wow. I really like those. They’re very striking and make a hell of an impact.

43 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:44:19pm

re: #42 Lidane

Wow. I really like those. They’re very striking and make a hell of an impact.

Middle bottom=Northern Ireland? I cant place.

44 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:46:22pm

School shooter?

45 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:46:42pm

School shooter maybe.

46 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:46:51pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Middle bottom=Northern Ireland? I cant place.

School shootings.

47 The War TARDIS  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:46:51pm

Decided to go on a Wikipedia jaunt through the Amarna period of Ancient Egypt.

What is the possibility that King Tut was not a son of Akhenaten, but of Smenkhkare?

Because of this this discovery?

DNA testing announced in February 2010 has speculated that her mummy is one of two 18th Dynasty queens recovered from KV21 in the Valley of the Kings. The two fetuses found buried with Tutankhamun have been proven to be his children, and the current theory is Ankhesenamun is their mother. Not enough DNA was able to be retrieved from the mummies in KV21 to make positive identities of the queens. Enough DNA was pulled to show that the mummy known as KV21a fits as the mother of the two fetuses in Tutankhamun’s tomb. The assumption that she is Ankhesenamun fits with her being the only known wife of Tutankhamun in the historical record. There is however one problem with this identification: if KV21a is Ankhesenamun, then the KV55 mummy cannot be Akhenaten, known to be her father from historical records. The DNA retrieved of the KV21a mummy fits with her being the mother of the fetuses, but not the daughter of KV55. Therefore: A) this mummy is not Ankhesenamun, but another, unknown wife of Tutankhamun, or B) the KV55 mummy is not Akhenaten, but another brother of his, possibly the ephemeral Smenkhare. The KV21a mummy though, does have DNA consistent with the 18th dynasty royal line, therefore fits as a member of the Thutmosid ruling house.

48 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:47:21pm

So what’s the doctor? Organ harvesting?

49 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:47:37pm

Ya, all the ammo.

50 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:47:48pm

re: #48 Amory Blaine

So what’s the doctor? Organ harvesting?

Yep.

51 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:48:13pm

We have a live one in the previous thread, by the way.

52 Lidane  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:49:15pm

re: #48 Amory Blaine

So what’s the doctor? Organ harvesting?

Yes. There is a global black market where children are sold or stolen for illegal organ harvesting.

53 sagehen  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:51:10pm

re: #48 Amory Blaine

So what’s the doctor? Organ harvesting?

I was thinking unsafe non-FDA clinical trials in countries with lax oversight… wasn’t there a movie about that?

54 sagehen  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:52:32pm

For the upper middle… is that Dominican sex tourism?

55 Lidane  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 8:53:52pm

re: #54 sagehen

For the upper middle… is that Dominican sex tourism?

Thai sex tourism, according to the artist.

56 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 9:21:39pm

I googled this guy Nienow. He listed compensation by the National Camp Association Inc. in a campaign finance report filed with the state government.
cfboard.state.mn.us

At the end of 2008, the assets of the company were $143,253, according to BrightScope, which tracks 401(k) plans. Nienow was listed as the sole participant in the firm’s profit-sharing plan. He also claimed a waiver of examination of the books by a CPA. brightscope.com

Wikipedia lists his occupation as process consultant and adviser. He was formerly employed by American Express Financial Advisers.

I’m not sure I’d trust his financial advice right now.

57 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 9:28:21pm
58 nines09  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 9:42:17pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

Yep. Nails it.

59 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 9:43:57pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

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Mmm. We left Brooklyn in early 1969. That graffiti looks awful. So glad it’s gone.

60 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:13:22pm
61 darthstar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:21:36pm
62 darthstar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:22:35pm

Oh yeah…fuck Seinfeld. I feel better than I did earlier, but he’s still an annoying comic with serious insecurities.

63 klys  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:24:49pm

re: #61 darthstar

That photo is seriously depressing.

Not the you part, the snow part.

64 darthstar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:26:19pm

re: #63 klys

That photo is seriously depressing.

Not the you part, the snow part.

Yeah…it’s bad out there…look at this one, of the top of half the mountain’s access.
Image: 1544978_10152176185728024_2072910685_n.jpg

65 darthstar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:26:57pm

We’re skiing pretty much 100% man-made snow.

66 klys  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:29:08pm

re: #64 darthstar

Yeah…it’s bad out there…look at this one, of the top of half the mountain’s access.
Image: 1544978_10152176185728024_2072910685_n.jpg

Jesus fuck.

I thought it was bad when my folks were out to ski Tahoe in March.

67 darthstar  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:30:51pm

re: #66 klys

Jesus fuck.

I thought it was bad when my folks were out to ski Tahoe in March.

Yeah…it’s shitty. And if this high pressure doesn’t go away, it’ll stay that way. We need a serious change in the Jet Stream.

68 klys  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:39:09pm

re: #67 darthstar

Yeah…it’s shitty. And if this high pressure doesn’t go away, it’ll stay that way. We need a serious change in the Jet Stream.

I did find this blog to be an interesting read in terms of weather stuff particularly related to CA.

He was in a different department than me, so I’m not sure I ever met him - probably a few years behind me too. (EESS didn’t exist when I started at Stanford.) Still seems to be spot on in interpreting things and has actually be interviewed at least one place about this high pressure ridge.

We had the doors open today. The house got up to 72F. THIS IS NOT JANUARY WEATHER.

69 Gus  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:40:26pm

Like a BUS!

Youtube Video

70 klys  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:40:27pm

re: #67 darthstar

71 sagehen  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:41:20pm

re: #59 Gus

Mmm. We left Brooklyn in early 1969. That graffiti looks awful. So glad it’s gone.

Hey!! Some of those subway cars were beautiful, I think two of them ended up in the Smithsonian.

And I have one of those Keith Haring South Africa posters on my wall. Framed.

72 sagehen  Sat, Jan 18, 2014 10:42:31pm

re: #47 The War TARDIS

Decided to go on a Wikipedia jaunt through the Amarna period of Ancient Egypt.

What is the possibility that King Tut was not a son of Akhenaten, but of Smenkhkare?

Because of this this discovery?

Everything I know about the Amarna period of ancient Egypt comes from Amelia Peabody novels.

73 prairiefire  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 12:43:58am

re: #71 sagehen

❤❤❤Keith Haring❤❤❤Jean Basquiat as well.

74 gwangung  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 1:44:10am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

We have a live one in the previous thread, by the way.

I’m not quite sure he knows that a major portion of the Chinese American population born in the country were born to illegal immigrants.

75 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 1:59:26am
76 freetoken  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 2:45:48am
77 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 2:46:14am

re: #74 gwangung

I’m not quite sure he knows that a major portion of the Chinese American population born in the country were born to illegal immigrants.

I learned that reading books by Amy Tan and Maxine Hong Kingston. Many of the Chinese men landing in California in the late 1800s had papers that were forged or completely fabricated. There are untold numbers of Chinese — and people from many other countries — who came here on tourist or student visas, and then melted into the general population.

From the Lenni Lenape, Narragansett and other natives’ perspective, my ancestors were illegal immigrants, too, for that matter.

78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 3:55:58am

The whole concept of a “documented” immigrant did not exist at the founding of the nation. There was a time when it did not matter, if you made it over here and established yourself (there was no social safety net to speak of) you were a resident. Nobody really asked for papers.

79 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:15:41am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

The whole concept of a “documented” immigrant did not exist at the founding of the nation. There was a time when it did not matter, if you made it over here and established yourself (there was no social safety net to speak of) you were a resident. Nobody really asked for papers.

So long as you followed all the local laws, paid your taxes, and otherwise were a citizen in good standing, the fact that you hadn’t done a bunch of paperwork before or after arriving didn’t really matter. You were an American, you were welcomed, and you had a chance to prove your worth.

80 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:20:17am

re: #79 Targetpractice

So long as you followed all the local laws, paid your taxes, and otherwise were a citizen in good standing, the fact that you hadn’t done a bunch of paperwork before or after arriving didn’t really matter. You were an American, you were welcomed, and you had a chance to prove your worth.

Well, some of those local laws also included ‘it’s okay to shoot a Chinaman’ and ‘Swedes get paid half the going rate’.

The ‘welcome’ for some immigrants has traditionally been a bit harsh and come with a pick and shovel attached.

81 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:27:03am

re: #80 Uncle Obdicut

Well, some of those local laws also included ‘it’s okay to shoot a Chinaman’ and ‘Swedes get paid half the going rate’.

The ‘welcome’ for some immigrants has traditionally been a bit harsh and come with a pick and shovel attached.

Very true. But immigration laws as we understand them today are a relatively recent invention. There were no quotas, no months-long background checks, no need to provide proof that a job was waiting for them, and they didn’t have to wait months or years before they could bring the rest of the family over. It’s only been in the last 50-60 years that we’ve imposed all this, mostly in an effort to throttle back immigration of all but white East Europeans.

82 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:34:13am

re: #81 Targetpractice

Oh, longer than that. Immigration officers were giving IQ tests around 1900 — in English of course. Back then, the group not to be in was any Eastern European. Women traveling alone were suspected of being hookers, and if they had no family in the States, were generally sent back home.

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:36:50am

re: #82 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, longer than that. Immigration officers were giving IQ tests around 1900 — in English of course. Back then, the group not to be in was any Eastern European. Women traveling alone were suspected of being hookers, and if they had no family in the States, were generally sent back home.

Which is why I noted that the laws as we understand them today. Not that we’ve given up most of it. We still require that new immigrants be able to speak English and they of course have to be able to pass a basic civics test that I doubt most Americans could pass on the first try.

84 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:42:04am

re: #83 Targetpractice

NCIS had a few episodes about Ziva studying for the citizenship test. I assume the portrayl was accurate. Requirements are to read the US Constitution, understand the workings of the federal government. and memorize the amendments. You also need to know the history of the USA.

Most RWNJs, and Fox News talking heads, would flunk, without a doubt.

85 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:42:08am

Morning! The images in #37…Wow. What a concept, and Stanley Sea, you are so right.

Dark_Falcon, they should anger you. But you should also celebrate that an artist has the freedom to express himself. Some places in this world that would not happen. And, if some of the issues he is depicting didn’t happen in the world, then there would be no reason for the image. Train your anger on the issues.

Guns and gun talk anger me. Real images we’ve seen all too often in the media of what guns cause anger me. And guns cause lots of actual human destruction and pain. An artist does not. They reflect it for awareness. Yet, people do not want guns banned, but ban an artist is okay to many. I do not get it. I put it down as screwed up priorities.

And the cool looking doggie in #75 is great. Love the colors and the layout of the photo. I don’t know if an artist-type took that image, but the layout is great. Sometimes things just work.

I know there are “blue dog” democrats, I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a blue dog!

86 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:42:22am

Fifteen year old Pakistani kid gives his own life to stop a suicide bomber:

bbc.co.uk

Aitzaz Hasan, 15, was with friends outside school when they spotted a man wearing a suicide vest.

Despite the pleas of his fellow students, he decided to confront and capture the bomber who then detonated his vest, his cousin told the BBC

Aitzaz’s friends had urged him not to confront the suicide bomber but he ignored their pleas and decided to confront the man with the intention of halting him.

“So he told them ‘I’m going to stop him. He is going to school to kill my friends’. He wanted to capture this suicide bomber. He wanted to stop [him]. Meanwhile the suicide bomber blasted himself which resulted in the death of my cousin,” Mr Bangish said.

87 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:49:15am

re: #37 Stanley Sea

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That hit me to the bottom of my heart.

88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 4:51:17am

Back to the thread theme “small businessman” is a loose and much-abused concept. I remember Dukakis reminding Bush that he was a “small businessman” because he owned cattle, Bush himself was barely aware of the fact.
It did come in handy in allowing a lot of guys to set off their Humvees and SUV’s as a “business expense”, though.

89 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:07:09am

re: #59 Gus

Mmm. We left Brooklyn in early 1969. That graffiti looks awful. So glad it’s gone.

Yeah, I couldn’t believe how filthy the subway was, but those photos are pretty representative. You should have seen GC, there was water running onto the platform and it smelled like urine. People told me, “Don’t ride the subway unless it’s rush hour. And stay away from Times Sq. I did both once, though—subway was OK, but I was accosted at 42nd St. Otherwise, walked everywhere; it got me back into good shape when I was 40—lost 20 lbs. Rode the a Lexington line train every day from mid-town to Wall St to get to work. New Yorkers of all stripes were really tough and tough-minded.

90 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:23:01am

re: #71 sagehen

Hey!! Some of those subway cars were beautiful, I think two of them ended up in the Smithsonian.

And I have one of those Keith Haring South Africa posters on my wall. Framed.

Don’t know much about IRT, but I know what I like.

91 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:24:24am

I’m a small businessman too. Real freakin’ small. Maybe I should get one of those “small” business loans and dance around paying it back too. It probably won’t work for me though, I’m not a congressman.

By the way…heard on the Today Show Crisp Christie is bitching about MSNBC being partisan. Hey, you can always tune into FOX, they love you there! /

92 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:24:52am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)

Back to the thread theme “small businessman” is a loose and much-abused concept. I remember Dukakis reminding Bush that he was a “small businessman” because he owned cattle, Bush himself was barely aware of the fact.
It did come in handy in allowing a lot of guys to set off their Humvees and SUV’s as a “business expense”, though.

Yeah, we had a lot of Humvees & SUVs pop up during those years around here. Along with a few “defense contractor” offices that didn’t seem to do anything but receive govt money—one investigated was featured in the local weekly rag; the strip mall office was always locked, there was no activity, and no one connected with it would speak to anyone, but govt records showed whoever leased the property was getting govt funds in $250K amts. I think if you had connections, you could cash in if you had a scheme of some sort. The govt wasn’t paying that much attention until the Inspector General started auditing and only one case in AL sticks in my mind that made news about having gotten money for virtually doing nothing, but there were plenty.

93 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:33:14am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Don’t know much about IRT, but I know what I like.

Don’t you think 5:23:01 is awful early for bad puns?

94 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:36:43am

re: #93 BongCrodny

Don’t you think 5:23:01 is awful early for bad puns?

Could be, how about 8:23:01 though?

95 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:37:05am

re: #93 BongCrodny

Don’t you think 5:23:01 is awful early for bad puns?

All the world is a straight line.

(Besides, we have the CST advantage.)

96 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:39:52am

re: #94 ObserverArt

Could be, how about 8:23:01 though?

Yeah, okay, that’s better. :-)

97 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:42:09am

re: #96 BongCrodny

Yeah, okay, that’s better. :-)

This sorta goes to the old saw: it’s 5 o’clock somewhere in the world.

98 darthstar  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:44:07am

“promoted” i.e. paid for, tweet

99 darthstar  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:44:37am
100 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:45:03am

re: #97 ObserverArt

This sorta goes to the old saw: it’s 5 o’clock somewhere in the world.

My philosophy is based on a slightly earlier time frame: It’s 4:20 somewhere in the world.

101 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:45:53am

re: #98 darthstar

If the Founding Fathers had wanted voting by Twitter, they would have put in the Constitution!

102 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 5:49:23am

re: #100 BongCrodny

My philosophy is based on a slightly earlier time frame: It’s 4:20 somewhere in the world.

Well, I have this one clock that is stopped on 5:00.

Drink!

: )

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:00:08am

Nice ally you got there, Bloomberg:

Pro-gun control mayor, MAIG member gets time for gun charges (VIDEO)

James Schiliro, a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, was sentenced to 10 to 20 months this week after using three handguns to illegally detain a man he had a crush on.

In February 2013, Mayor James “Jay” Schiliro of Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania, ordered a city police officer to bring a certain town resident by his home. The man, a 20-year old former neighbor, was kept there by Schiliro who “made him drink wine, and refused to let him leave for three and a half hours,” the Philadelphia Inquirer reports.

Schiliro reportedly threatened to kill himself and fired a gun into a stack of papers during the incident. Eventually, the victim, Nicholas Dorsam, was able to leave and then called police.

“That night was a culmination of feelings which had built up over 25 years,” said Schiliro. Apparently, the two men had been long acquaintances and Dorsam was on the receiving end of an unwanted attraction. The lurid details of the drunken encounter that led to gunplay and threats were well covered elsewhere in the media.

This led to the mayor’s arrest and charges of unlawful restraint, reckless endangerment, false imprisonment, official oppression and furnishing alcohol to a minor. At the time of his arrest, Delaware County District Attorney John Whelan told the press, “The mayor, I believe, has indicated to the press that he has some issues.”

That’s one douchecanoe which be heading up the river.

104 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:02:16am

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Putin: Russia must “cleanse” itself of homosexuality

cbsnews.com

MOSCOW - Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered new assurances to gay athletes and fans attending the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics next month. Yet he defends Russia’s anti-gay law by equating gays with pedophiles and says Russia needs to “cleanse” itself of homosexuality if it wants to increase its birth rate.

“Putin’s comments in a TV interview broadcast Sunday still show the wide gulf between the perception of homosexuality in Russia versus the West. A Russian law passed last year banning “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations” among minors has caused an international outcry.”

Putin sounds just like Bryan Fischer. No wonder those types love Putin.

OTOH, heterosexuals can’t help themselves when they have an overabundance of kids they don’t really want and others to have to take care of by adoption, etc.

And why is it that the vast mistreatment of kids in every area is by heterosexuals?

105 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:06:04am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Russia is swinging toward virulent anti-homosexuality, while China seems (officially anyway) to be neutral toward it. While there are still laws against homosexuality on the books here, I haven’t heard of any case where they have been enforced. And China is a very traditional-minded country.

106 darthstar  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:06:59am

107 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:07:07am

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Nice ally you got there, Bloomberg:

Pro-gun control mayor, MAIG member gets time for gun charges (VIDEO)

That’s one douchecanoe which be heading up the river.

“Schiliro, a Republican, was elected mayor in 2009 and challenged state Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland for his seat last year in a contentious, but lopsided, 159th District race. Schiliro raised questions about money that Kirkland had helped steer to organizations close to his family. Kirkland responded by holding a news conference at his Baptist church and, from the altar, calling Schiliro a “demonic opponent.”

articles.philly.com

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:09:34am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Putin: Russia must “cleanse” itself of homosexuality

cbsnews.com

MOSCOW - Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered new assurances to gay athletes and fans attending the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics next month. Yet he defends Russia’s anti-gay law by equating gays with pedophiles and says Russia needs to “cleanse” itself of homosexuality if it wants to increase its birth rate.

“Putin’s comments in a TV interview broadcast Sunday still show the wide gulf between the perception of homosexuality in Russia versus the West. A Russian law passed last year banning “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations” among minors has caused an international outcry.”

Putin sounds just like Bryan Fischer. No wonder those types love Putin.

OTOH, heterosexuals can’t help themselves when they have an overabundance of kids they don’t really want and others to have to take care of by adoption, etc.

And why is it that the vast mistreatment of kids in every area is by heterosexuals?

Because heterosexuals are the vast majority of the population.

Putin is a lot more dangerous than Bryan Fischer. Unlike Fischer, he holds direct political power with very few constraints. The US should consider granting gay Russians asylum, though only after strong vetting and investigation (the FSB would be certain to use such an opportunity to insert agents).

109 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:09:44am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

Kirkland responded by holding a news conference at his Baptist church and, from the altar, calling Schiliro a “demonic opponent.”

Where else in the developed world would you hear candidates accusing their opponents of being possessed by demons?

In the 21st century.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:11:06am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

“Schiliro, a Republican, was elected mayor in 2009 and challenged state Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland for his seat last year in a contentious, but lopsided, 159th District race. Schiliro raised questions about money that Kirkland had helped steer to organizations close to his family. Kirkland responded by holding a news conference at his Baptist church and, from the altar, calling Schiliro a “demonic opponent.”

articles.philly.com

It seems that Kirkland had a point about Schriliro. Thankfully, that RINO has now been hunted down.

111 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:13:27am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

Russia is swinging toward virulent anti-homosexuality, while China seems (officially anyway) to be neutral toward it. While there are still laws against homosexuality on the books here, I haven’t heard of any case where they have been enforced. And China is a very traditional-minded country.

Communism is a very “straight-laced” political philosophy as it is practiced in modern societies. Students who went to Cuba in the “Venceremos Brigades” years ago were cautioned about Cuba’s attitude toward gays and told to keep it quiet.

Russia hasn’t had its “freedom” (or at least, its change from collectivism to capitalism) very long, and it still appears to retain the mores of the statist society.

112 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:14:04am

Putin is all blockhead all the time. Hopefully Russia will grow tired of him and somehow get him out of political office.

And yes I used hopefully as a modifier word. Who knows what goes on in their elections and political processes. Getting him out may be difficult.

You know, all of those images we see of him in planes, on ships, checking out the soldiers, driving a race car, riding a horse bare chested…wait. Is there just a little over compensation going on there?

113 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:18:02am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Generating a cult of personality, I reckon. He’s taking lessons from the Kim family, Mao, Stalin …

114 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:19:35am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Because heterosexuals are the vast majority of the population.

Putin is a lot more dangerous than Bryan Fischer. Unlike Fischer, he holds direct political power with very few constraints. The US should consider granting gay Russians asylum, though only after strong vetting and investigation (the FSB would be certain to use such an opportunity to insert agents).

I didn’t say he was like Fischer; I said he “sounds like” Fischer. You’re assuming Russia would grant visas for gay Russians to leave the country, if they wanted to. The smart thing for them to do would be to visit another country and defect as a political prisoner in a friendly country that would allow it. There are other countries, also, that are more tolerant of gays than the US.

washingtonpost.com

115 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:20:18am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Putin may be a shithead, but he’s not a blockhead. He knows exactly what he’s doing with his anti-gay campaign: It’s popular within Russia while being hated and condemned in the West. It’s designed to produce anger, fear, and mutual suspicion between Russians and westerners. This creates the “Army of God versus the Band of the Damned” feeling that aids the tyrant in his rule.

116 Uncle Obdicut  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:26:44am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

It’s only hated and condemned in the west by social liberals. Social conservatives are lapping it up.

Lots of GOP members support (and are supported by) NOM, which not only supports Putin, the head of it traveled to Russia to express, first-hand, support for his anti-gay movements.

Most of the GOP candidates for president, including Romney, signed NOM’s ugly pledge to enshrine bigotry.

117 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:29:09am

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

It seems that Kirkland had a point about Schriliro. Thankfully, that RINO has now been hunted down.

What makes him a RINO? I might have missed something.

Well, I saw the demonic comment, I didn’t think he meant to say democrat and muffed it! ///

118 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:33:33am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Putin is all blockhead all the time. Hopefully Russia will grow tired of him and somehow get him out of political office.

And yes I used hopefully as a modifier word. Who knows what goes on in their elections and political processes. Getting him out may be difficult.

You know, all of those images we see of him in planes, on ships, checking out the soldiers, driving a race car, riding a horse bare chested…wait. Is there just a little over compensation going on there?

Not really. Russians are over 75% against homosexuality.

Russia’s anti-gay laws in line with public’s views on homosexuality

pewresearch.org

A good percentage want a return to communism, because they feel they got a better “shake” rather than in a shaky oligarchy but they tend to be older and remember post-Stalinist society before communism’s collapse.

119 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:33:39am

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

“Schiliro, a Republican, was elected mayor in 2009 and challenged state Rep. Thaddeus Kirkland for his seat last year in a contentious, but lopsided, 159th District race. Schiliro raised questions about money that Kirkland had helped steer to organizations close to his family. Kirkland responded by holding a news conference at his Baptist church and, from the altar, calling Schiliro a “demonic opponent.”

articles.philly.com

Oh, look — here’s CNSnews.com playing up the “anti-gun mayor” — with not one word about him being a Republican.

And here’s Glenn Beck’s “The Blaze” talking about the “anti-gun mayor and Bloomberg ally” with not so much as one “Republican” in the story.

I’ll give credit to guns.com for mentioning that Schiliro is a Republican…waaay down there in the seventh paragraph.

…and there’s World Nut Daily talking about the “anti-gun mayor.” Guess what? I probably don’t have to spell it out for you.

Golly, you’d almost think there was something they wanted to hide.

120 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:35:33am

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Putin may be a shithead, but he’s not a blockhead. He knows exactly what he’s doing with his anti-gay campaign: It’s popular within Russia while being hated and condemned in the West. It’s designed to produce anger, fear, and mutual suspicion between Russians and westerners. This creates the “Army of God versus the Band of the Damned” feeling that aids the tyrant in his rule.

I was going with a more urban dictionary type of definition, not the traditional dunce, stupid one. It can be used for ignorance, failure to change, stubbornness etc.

121 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:41:54am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Not really. Russians are over 75% against homosexuality.

Russia’s anti-gay laws in line with public’s views on homosexuality

pewresearch.org

A good percentage want a return to communism, because they feel they got a better “shake” rather than in a shaky oligarchy but they tend to be older and remember post-Stalinist society before communism’s collapse.

Didn’t someone post a chart around here recently showing how America felt very much the same percentage wise many years ago? After all, we did have all the sodomy laws and they were used to arrest and jail homosexuals in America. All that changed. And going after people as he is doing may cause a backlash or an awareness that could change those numbers.

I’m near 60, and the changes that have happened in America have all come about in that time. It possibly could happen in Russia too. That is what I meant. I do understand your points too. Change is always slow. Actually since the early 70s the change in America has been very rapid.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:42:36am

re: #120 ObserverArt

I was going with a more urban dictionary type of definition, not the traditional dunce, stupid one. It can be used for ignorance, failure to change, stubbornness etc.

That’s your right, but remember that with most words I may well not be aware of the “urban dictionary type of definition” or I might oppose it, as I don’t like the shifting of words much.

123 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:43:09am

re: #119 BongCrodny

Oh, look — here’s CNSnews.com playing up the “anti-gun mayor” — with not one word about him being a Republican.

And here’s Glenn Beck’s “The Blaze” talking about the “anti-gun mayor and Bloomberg ally” with not so much as one “Republican” in the story.

I’ll give credit to guns.com for mentioning that Schiliro is a Republican…waaay down there in the seventh paragraph.

…and there’s World Nut Daily talking about the “anti-gun mayor.” Guess what? I probably don’t have to spell it out for you.

Golly, you’d almost think there was something they wanted to hide.

Noooooooo!!!

/

124 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:48:35am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

That’s your right, but remember that with most words I may well not be aware of the “urban dictionary type of definition” or I might oppose it, as I don’t like the shifting of words much.

Merry Christmas

urbandictionary.com

125 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:50:21am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

That’s your right, but remember that with most words I may well not be aware of the “urban dictionary type of definition” or I might oppose it, as I don’t like the shifting of words much.

You must have been pissed when the beatniks usurped the word “COOL” meaning something other than the temperature!!!

126 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:54:41am

re: #121 ObserverArt

Didn’t someone post a chart around here recently showing how America felt very much the same percentage wise many years ago? After all, we did have all the sodomy laws and they were used to arrest and jail homosexuals in America. All that changed. And going after people as he is doing may cause a backlash or an awareness that could change those numbers.

I’m near 60, and the changes that have happened in America have all come about in that time. It possibly could happen in Russia too. That is what I meant. I do understand your points too. Change is always slow. Actually since the early 70s the change in America has been very rapid.

I was in the 60s-70s women’s movement and at that time, we worked a lot w/lesbians and gays, as did many in the civil rights movement; in fact, lesbians were more prone to join the women’s movement. There were some fundamental philosophical and political differences between lesbians and gay men, much more than there are today, but it didn’t stop coalitions. I think there are probably, from what I’ve read, more libertarian gay men today than those who see some common cause with lesbians and feminist women. This is part of the change I see, but it’s disheartening to see people get some of the things they want and abandon their old “friends” in political circles while they continue to use things like white male privilege as a bludgeon. See, for instance: Glenn Greenwald, et al. But, that’s life in a new era.

Just as people change, so do politics.

127 darthstar  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:55:08am

re: #117 ObserverArt

What makes him a RINO? I might have missed something.

Well, I saw the demonic comment, I didn’t think he meant to say democrat and muffed it! ///

Unnatural desires. Sure sign of a RINO.
/facepalm

128 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 6:57:41am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

That’s your right, but remember that with most words I may well not be aware of the “urban dictionary type of definition” or I might oppose it, as I don’t like the shifting of words much.

Dark…you do realize that over time those shifting of words end up actually being placed into a dictionary as a definition. Language is funny that way.

As an example which fits into some of the comments and discussion this morning: was the word “gay.” Go read The FreeDictionary’s notation on how it came about to add it into the definitions. That was an obvious word for me to use. I’m sure if given some thought, there are tons of words that have added definitions because of popular usage.

Dictionaries really are just a record of language and how it develops and morphs over time. I doubt that “gay” was used as a definition for sexual preference 50 years ago. Now that I write that, it would be interesting to note when it actually was added. I love the study of words and language.

129 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:01:46am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

130 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:02:42am

re: #128 ObserverArt

Dark…you do realize that over time those shifting of words end up actually being placed into a dictionary as a definition. Language is funny that way.

As an example which fits into some of the comments and discussion this morning: was the word “gay.” Go read The FreeDictionary’s notation on how it came about to add it into the definitions. That was an obvious word for me to use. I’m sure if given some thought, there are tons of words that have added definitions because of popular usage.

Dictionaries really are just a record of language and how it develops and morphs over time. I doubt that “gay” was used as a definition for sexual preference 50 years ago. Now that I write that, it would be interesting to note when it actually was added. I love the study of words and language.

I think it became more prominently used after the Stonewall riots. But here’s another explanation of the word’s evolution, too. I often heard it used back in the day—none of us said “homosexual” by that time.

todayifoundout.com

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:04:44am

re: #125 sattv4u2

You must have been pissed when the beatniks usurped the word “COOL” meaning something other than the temperature!!!

I’m sure DF mourns the loss of “we’ll have a gay old time” as well… ;)

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:05:42am

re: #125 sattv4u2

You must have been pissed when the beatniks usurped the word “COOL” meaning something other than the temperature!!!

Unlike you, I’m not old enough to remember that.

133 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:06:12am

re: #128 ObserverArt

Technology has had a big influence.

Text is now a verb. Sext is a neologism, based off of it.
Meme, once an obscure term, is now commonly used.
Then there are words like selfie, abbreviations like IIRC, LOL, BBIAB, and so on.

Americans shorten words: tat and les are two examples,

Just imagine how hard it is for English language learners to decipher our weird language. Even news articles use so many neologisms and idioms that my students can barely understand what they’re about.

134 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:06:50am

I’ll go halfway on that one.

I think “cool” is pretty, um, cool — but whenever I see “kewl” I want to hit somebody with a frying pan.

135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:06:54am

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

I’m sure DF mourns the loss of “we’ll have a gay old time” as well… ;)

THAT word shift I made my peace with a decade ago.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:07:47am

re: #134 BongCrodny

I’ll go halfway on that one.

I think “cool” is pretty, um, cool — but whenever I see “kewl” I want to hit somebody with a frying pan.

This.

137 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:08:11am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Unlike you, I’m not old enough to remember that.

Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when people were “hep”, not “hip”. Hep didn’t last very long, though.

138 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:11:22am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when people were “hep”, not “hip”. Hep didn’t last very long, though.

I’m wondering, do you remember people calling eyeglasses “cheaters?”

139 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:12:20am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

I think it became more prominently used after the Stonewall riots. But here’s another explanation of the word’s evolution, too. I often heard it used back in the day—none of us said “homosexual” by that time.

todayifoundout.com

Thanks for that link. I don’t remember ever coming across that web site. Gonna bookmark that one for future cruising.

By the way, the explanation for gay is fascinating. This part I did not know and find surprising:

However, around the early parts of the 17th century, the word began to be associated with immorality. By the mid 17th century, according to an Oxford dictionary definition at the time, the meaning of the word had changed to mean “addicted to pleasures and dissipations. Often euphemistically: Of loose and immoral life”. This is an extension of one of the original meanings of “carefree”, meaning more or less uninhibited.

Talk about a whole new definition, but then to find out its roots are quite old. Truly a Thing I Found Out Today!

140 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:13:15am

re: #138 wheat-dogghazi

I’m wondering, do you remember people calling eyeglasses “cheaters?”

No, but I used to wear glasses and remember being called “four eyes”.

141 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:15:39am

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

Ah, me too. My folks called eyeglasses “cheaters,” but they’d be a bit older than you. Both would celebrate their 100th birthdays later this year, if they were still around. Cheaters is from the 1920s, I learned the other day.

142 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:16:18am

re: #134 BongCrodny

I’ll go halfway on that one.

I think “cool” is pretty, um, cool — but whenever I see “kewl” I want to hit somebody with a frying pan.

And, GET OFF MY LAWN!

143 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:17:39am

re: #133 wheat-dogghazi

Technology has had a big influence.

Text is now a verb. Sext is a neologism, based off of it.
Meme, once an obscure term, is now commonly used.
Then there are words like selfie, abbreviations like IIRC, LOL, BBIAB, and so on.

Americans shorten words: tat and les are two examples,

Just imagine how hard it is for English language learners to decipher our weird language. Even news articles use so many neologisms and idioms that my students can barely understand what they’re about.

Ha. And then most likely your students use some words and terms that you can barely understand what they are about. It’s a funny world and hard to keep up with it all.

144 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:19:05am

re: #142 b_sharp

And, GET OFF MY LAWN!

Hey, being yelled at to “get off my lawn” taught me a few lessons about people. Like how some valued their grass more than they did kids.

145 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:19:28am

re: #143 ObserverArt

Well, considering they’re speaking Chinese most of the time, yes!

146 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:20:44am

re: #142 b_sharp

And, GET OFF MY LAWN!

Damn kids these days and all that hep, hip…oh screw it!!!

Wait, what?!?!

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:22:25am

re: #134 BongCrodny

I’ll go halfway on that one.

I think “cool” is pretty, um, cool — but whenever I see “kewl” I want to hit somebody with a frying pan.

kewl beanz dude!

(g,d & r)

148 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:24:25am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi

Well, considering they’re speaking Chinese most of the time, yes!

Oh, you’re that guy. I forgot about you being in a foreign land. Double trouble! Wow, that has got to be tough. But then if you try to learn their writing…

149 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:29:01am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Oh, you’re that guy. I forgot about you being in a foreign land. Double trouble! Wow, that has got to be tough. But then if you try to learn their writing…

Yeah. Can anyone explain to me why those allegedly Chinese character tattoos got so popular? I’ve heard they weren’t actually Chinese, but inventions, and besides, how would a non-Chinese tattooist actually know anyway?

150 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:30:49am

re: #148 ObserverArt

Oh, you’re that guy. I forgot about you being in a foreign land. Double trouble! Wow, that has got to be tough. But then if you try to learn their writing…

Slowly but surely. 好好学习,天天向上!

151 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:31:07am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Oh, ferchrissakes…

Putin: Russia must “cleanse” itself of homosexuality

cbsnews.com

MOSCOW - Russian President Vladimir Putin has offered new assurances to gay athletes and fans attending the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics next month. Yet he defends Russia’s anti-gay law by equating gays with pedophiles and says Russia needs to “cleanse” itself of homosexuality if it wants to increase its birth rate.

“Putin’s comments in a TV interview broadcast Sunday still show the wide gulf between the perception of homosexuality in Russia versus the West. A Russian law passed last year banning “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations” among minors has caused an international outcry.”

Putin sounds just like Bryan Fischer. No wonder those types love Putin.

OTOH, heterosexuals can’t help themselves when they have an overabundance of kids they don’t really want and others to have to take care of by adoption, etc.

And why is it that the vast mistreatment of kids in every area is by heterosexuals?

That is coming perilously close to exterminationist language.

152 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:31:30am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Yeah. Can anyone explain to me why those allegedly Chinese character tattoos got so popular? I’ve heard they weren’t actually Chinese, but inventions, and besides, how would a non-Chinese tattooist actually know anyway?

Because they’re kewl, dude!

Many Chinese words require two characters, while many of those tats used just one.

153 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:34:30am

re: #147 William Barnett-Lewis

kewl beanz dude!

(g,d & r)

And then Australia…they have some really interesting word play fer sure! Many stand out like dogs balls!

I was around a few Aussies and Zealanders in my time around auto sports. One driver used to keep us seppos all laughing with his phrases.

154 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:39:38am

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi

Because they’re kewl, dude!

I think tattooing is on the wane in some circles. My grandson doesn’t have any (although his parents do) and he’s 23; none of his friends have them, either, as far as I know, except for one girl he knows (friend, not gf). Most of those I see now are on people well past their teen years. I think some kids nowadays see the excesses of their parents as not something they want to pursue.

155 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:44:38am

Protestors clash with riot police and set fires as new anti-protest law is passed in Ukraine.

This is in Kiev.

156 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:46:17am

re: #147 William Barnett-Lewis

kewl beanz dude!

(g,d & r)

~~CLANG!!~

157 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:48:55am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

I think tattooing is on the wane in some circles. My grandson doesn’t have any (although his parents do) and he’s 23; none of his friends have them, either, as far as I know, except for one girl he knows (friend, not gf). Most of those I see now are on people well past their teen years. I think some kids nowadays see the excesses of their parents as not something they want to pursue.

Now that would be a refreshing trend reversal. It was always hard to accept tattoos as they always carried so many negative connotations when I was younger. Amazing the shifting back’n’forth…just like with words!

Time to shuffle along for a bit…been a fun morning here with the lizards! So here is a tune to leave on.

The Who…why Tattoo of course!

Youtube Video

158 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:51:53am

What is this a retirement home???
/
:P

160 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 7:57:56am

re: #158 Varek Raith

What is this a retirement home???
/
:P

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

161 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:01:18am

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Hey, being yelled at to “get off my lawn” taught me a few lessons about people. Like how some valued their grass more than they did kids.

As a kid we never really had lawn because we were always out there playing on it.

162 ObserverArt  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:03:51am

Had to log back in…anyone catching Meet The Press. Some good discussion and points being made about Snowden, the NSA and the President’s speech on it all.

And David Gregory is still a dumb ass. I watch in spite of him.

Maybe Charles or someone will post a topic about the programs content later.

163 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:04:04am

Damn kid won’t let me stay on the ‘puter. Slams the lid down on the laptop and moves my hands to set it down on the coffee table.

He’s in the kitchen right now so I can sneak in a post or two.

164 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:06:03am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Police: Maryland mom kills 2 of her children during attempted exorcism

If that mindset isn’t mental illness, it’s very close to it. What a tragedy for those poor children.

165 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:15:32am
166 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:23:02am

Jamaican Bobsled Team Qualifies for 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics

Watts told Chadband the financial hardship the team is under at the moment:

In truth, we still don’t really know at the moment if we’d even have enough funds or sponsorship to fly to Sochi itself for the Games itself. It all depends. Our families need to be taken care of first. If there’s no funding, who knows?

But, I’m one of life’s optimists. I put my heart on the line for this. Any British companies out there interested in sponsorin’ us? Hopefully, the Jamaican Olympic Association will step in and support us now we’ve qualified.

167 piratedan  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:44:38am

re: #166 jaunte

I would think NBC would step up and sponsor them just for the ability to run 4 to 8 hours of human interest stories… because we know that they won’t spend a helluva lot of air time actually showing the participating athletes.

168 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:51:14am

Just sighted: SPAM Musubi in Ohio! Thanks Obama.
“Behold the two pack!”

169 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:57:17am

Winston Watts: Age 46, I’m big, dark and handsome, like a 6ft, 235lb runnin’ back.” And he is. Confident, too, and it paid off.

Winter Olympics 2014: Move over Usain Bolt - Jamaica’s cool runners are back and hope to qualify for Sochi Games
Winston Watts pilots Caribbean bobsledders, who inspired a film after going into Olympic folkore at Calgary in 1988, in seeking Games comeback after 12-year absence

telegraph.co.uk

I don’t think they’ll have any trouble raising the money for the trip now that they’re finally getting so much publicity.

170 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:58:12am

re: #168 Ryan King

Just sighted: SPAM Musubi in Ohio! Thanks Obama.
“Behold the two pack!”

What is that, black duct tape? : )

171 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:59:07am

Vox Populi: Are you willing to wait until the 2015 presidential elections or take action now?

Ukrainians gather on Independence Square on Jan. 19 to protest draconian laws passed by parliament on Jan. 16.

The Kyiv Post asked participants of the EuroMaidan rally on Jan. 19 whether they are willing to wait till 2015 presidential elections for a chance to change the direction and leadership of the country, or take action right now.

172 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 8:59:30am

re: #144 Justanotherhuman

Hey, being yelled at to “get off my lawn” taught me a few lessons about people. Like how some valued their grass more than they did kids.

It was THEIR grass

not THEIR kids

MY kid was welcome on my lawn anytime

NOT my kids,,, by invite !!!!!

173 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:00:52am
174 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:03:30am
175 The War TARDIS  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:04:33am

re: #174 jaunte

Hey look! Tea Partiers.

176 chadu  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:05:11am

re: #106 darthstar

Where do I get one?

177 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:05:39am

re: #171 jaunte

Vox Populi: Are you willing to wait until the 2015 presidential elections or take action now?

Ukrainians gather on Independence Square on Jan. 19 to protest draconian laws passed by parliament on Jan. 16.

178 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:06:11am
179 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:07:00am

re: #173 jaunte

I’m already dreading Sochi. Either there will be a big problem OR the Russian authorities will be too draconian trying to prevent something from transpiring

180 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:08:23am
181 chadu  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:08:58am

re: #168 Ryan King

Just sighted: SPAM Musubi in Ohio! Thanks Obama.
“Behold the two pack!”

Oh, please, dear and fluffy Jebus, let this be in my SW PA Giant Eagle when I go tomorrow.

182 The War TARDIS  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:16:42am

Also, I need a Taylor Swift poster.

183 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:18:06am

re: #182 The War TARDIS

Also, I need a Taylor Swift poster.

I don’t even wanna know why

184 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:19:31am

Changes to the Criminal Code of Ukraine According to Proposed Law 3879

This translation has been made from the “comparison table” compiled by the authors of the proposal and submitted to the Parliament along with the proposal itself. You can retrieve the original in RTF format from the Parliament information system. The emphasized passages denote differences between the old (left column) and new (right column) text as detected by an automated process.

185 The War TARDIS  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:19:38am

re: #183 sattv4u2

Because I am a Swiftie.

Before Christmas, I bought a Taylor Swift Album, a Bon Jovi Album, and a Doctor Who DVD. Guy at the register was confused when I said I bought them all for myself. :)

186 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:21:06am

re: #185 The War TARDIS

Because I am a Swiftie.

Before Christmas, I bought a Taylor Swift Album, a Bon Jovi Album, and a Doctor Who DVD. Guy at the register was confused when I said I bought them all for myself. :)

What part of “I don’t even wanna know why” was unclear !?!?
:)

187 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:26:45am

Just in case there is any confusion over the terms “Euromaidan” and “anti-Maidan”…

kyivpost.com

188 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:28:35am

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

Just in case there is any confusion over the terms “Euromaidan” and “anti-Maidan”…

kyivpost.com

Are either related to Iron Maiden???

Image: ironmaiden.jpg

189 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:28:57am

re: #174 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The babushkas don’t seem to want European style democracy much.

190 sattv4u2  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:35:09am

bbl

191 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:38:46am

On the use of water cannons on demonstrators…


“By law, water jet is used at a temperature below 0 degrees. now” (Google translation)

192 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:41:27am
193 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:43:37am

“Holy fucking hell.” - Maxim Eristavi

Youtube Video

194 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:44:24am

Are our photographers in this morning? Does your locality require you to get a permit to shoot at a park if you are making a few bucks by yourself maybe with a model? ? Or if you bring a crew? I can see a crew shoot needing a permit but a casual head shot or some fashion wear snaps?

Petapixel takes a look at the issue.

195 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:50:39am

re: #194 Political Atheist

Are our photographers in this morning? Does your locality require you to get a permit to shoot at a park if you are making a few bucks by yourself maybe with a model? ? Or if you bring a crew? I can see a crew shoot needing a permit but a casual head shot or some fashion wear snaps?

Petapixel takes a look at the issue.

Nope. Of course, the population being ~2000 here tends to make such unlikely. There are many reasons for loving living in the north woods ;)

196 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:51:28am

re: #182 The War TARDIS

Also, I need a Taylor Swift poster.

You need the legendary Morgan Fairchild poster.

197 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:55:11am

re: #182 The War TARDIS

Also, I need a Taylor Swift poster.

Get the classic of Farrah Fawcett instead ;)

198 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:56:35am

re: #194 Political Atheist

To my knowledge Philly does not require a permit to take outdoor pictures. For example if I want to take a picture of the cherry blossoms on Kelly Drive all I do is get to Kelly Drive (aka East River Drive) and take said pictures. I do know movie shoots do require permits and there is an office in the city that helps them.

199 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:58:52am

re: #197 William Barnett-Lewis

Or go with the real classics. Pin up art. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Flirt-Magazine-Playful-Pussy-Posters_i9070914_.htm

200 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 9:59:09am

Svoboda (political party)

The All-Ukrainian Union “Svoboda” (Ukrainian: Всеукраїнське об’єднання «Свобода», Vseukrayinske obyednannia “Svoboda”), translated as Freedom, is a Ukrainian nationalist political party,[2] and currently one of the five major parties of the country.[12]

Founded in 1991 as the Social-National Party of Ukraine (Ukrainian: Соціал-національна партія України), the party has acted as a proponent of nationalism and anti-communism in Ukrainian politics. It is positioned on the right of the Ukrainian political spectrum,[5][2][13][14] and has been described by some scholars as far-right.[6][7][8][9] The current party leader (elected every two years[15]) is Oleh Tyahnybok, who has held the role since February 2004.[2]

During the 2009 and 2010 local elections in Galicia, the party made significant gains and became a major force in local government.[16][17] In the 2012 Ukrainian parliamentary elections, Svoboda won its first seats in the Ukrainian Parliament,[18] garnering 10.44% of the popular vote and the 4th most seats among national political parties;[19] this transposed into 37 parliamentary seats.[20] In October 2012, Svoboda joined a formal coalition with the centre-right Batkivshchyna and UDAR parties to form the parliament’s collective opposition.

Continues.

201 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:00:29am

Svoboda actively participates in the ongoing pro-European Union protest campaign aimed at influencing regime change and integration with the EU.

After the Vladimir Lenin monument in Kiev was toppled during the ongoing Euromaidan protest, MP Igor Myroshnychenko officially accepted responsibility for this action on behalf of the Svoboda,[63] though it is unclear whether the party organized and/or planned it.

Once in the EU I’m sure they’ll quickly align themselves with the BNP, EDL, UKIP, etc.

202 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:01:10am

re: #199 Political Atheist

Or go with the real classics. Pin up art. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Flirt-Magazine-Playful-Pussy-Posters_i9070914_.htm

I’ll be in my bunk…

/

203 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:01:20am

Long story short. There’s a big contingent of far-right “socialist-nationalists” COUGH in the Euromaiden protests.

Good times.

204 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:02:42am

re: #180 jaunte

What is going on, why are they protesting?

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:04:14am

re: #199 Political Atheist

Or go with the real classics. Pin up art. http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Flirt-Magazine-Playful-Pussy-Posters_i9070914_.htm

Getting into Betty Page territory there … ;) I figured PLL would want the more innocent image.

Now, serious real classic? Rita…

Rita Hayworth

206 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:07:52am

re: #204 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

Mostly whether Ukraine is aligned with Europe or with Russia. Most recently, the changes to the laws (see link in 184).

207 jaunte  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:09:16am
208 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:09:52am

Or less famous but great is this one of Liz Taylor -

209 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:10:13am

Let’s not forget this legendary cheesecake.

Image: HEATHER-THOMAS.jpg

210 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:11:12am

re: #205 William Barnett-Lewis

Ava:

211 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:13:02am

Here is a Hollywood legend, Betty Grable. en.wikipedia.org

212 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:13:45am

Once in the EU. I assume people will forward to a good swath of new far-right members of parliament joining the fray. As it stands itself, the main opposition group is “centre-right.” Good luck.

213 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:13:47am

re: #201 Gus

Svoboda actively participates in the ongoing pro-European Union protest campaign aimed at influencing regime change and integration with the EU.

After the Vladimir Lenin monument in Kiev was toppled during the ongoing Euromaidan protest, MP Igor Myroshnychenko officially accepted responsibility for this action on behalf of the Svoboda,[63] though it is unclear whether the party organized and/or planned it.

Once in the EU I’m sure they’ll quickly align themselves with the BNP, EDL, UKIP, etc.

I notice there is no link to this statement:

“Svoboda actively participates in the ongoing pro-European Union protest campaign aimed at influencing regime change and integration with the EU.”

Smearing the entirety of the protests with charges of fascism and nationalism from Wikileaks doesn’t make it so. And the link to “ZIK” doesn’t work (63). Svoboda can claim responsibility, but it doesn’t make that so, either. They could simply be “hangers-on” in the larger scheme of protests, making an opportunity for themselves.

214 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:15:10am

There’s a reason they tore down Lenin’s statue with such ferocity. And it wasn’t because it was a group of center-left moderates.

215 Gus  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:15:44am

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

I notice there are no link to this statement:

“Svoboda actively participates in the ongoing pro-European Union protest campaign aimed at influencing regime change and integration with the EU.”

Smearing the entirety of the protests with charges of fascism and nationalism from Wikileaks doesn’t make it so. And the link to “ZIK” doesn’t work (63). Svoboda can claim responsibility, but it doesn’t make that so, either. They could simply be “hangers-on” in the larger scheme of protests, making an opportunity for themselves.

I expected this. Anyway, I have to go to Safeway.

216 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:19:39am

American conservative thought, y’all:

217 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:22:41am

Cue the ‘splodey heads:


In an interview with the New Yorker’s David Remnick published Sunday, Obama said while he believes marijuana is “not very healthy,” the drug isn’t as harmful as some insist.

“As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol,” Obama told Remnick.

When asked if he believes marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, Obama said it is less damaging “in terms of its impact on the individual consumer.”

“It’s not something I encourage, and I’ve told my daughters I think it’s a bad idea, a waste of time, not very healthy,” he added.

218 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:24:21am

re: #217 Lidane

Cue the ‘splodey heads:

[Embedded content]

A rational and well-reasoned reply. OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!11!!

219 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:27:46am

re: #217 Lidane

The Great Schism between Libertarians and the GOP will start in 3..2.. Cough Cough

220 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:29:20am

re: #207 jaunte

[Embedded content]

So that’s where Clive Barker gets his ideas from!

221 Ryan King  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:29:27am

I wonder how much bongwater is spilling across computer screens across this greatest of all nations at the moment.

222 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:41:25am

re: #221 Ryan King

I wonder how much bongwater is spilling across computer screens across this greatest of all nations at the moment.

And vapes charging so fast Edison is firing up more turbines.

223 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:43:12am

Ukraine crisis: Clashes after thousands defy protest ban

bbc.co.uk

“Clashes have broken out after large crowds of pro-EU demonstrators rallied in Ukraine’s capital against new laws which aim to curb public protests.

“Stun grenades and flares were thrown as groups of people headed for parliament, which was cordoned off by rows of police and buses.

“Opposition politician Vitali Klitschko tried to stop attacks on police.

“The laws were passed with a quick show of hands on Thursday by MPs loyal to President Viktor Yanukovych. “

Don’t know if I’d trust Klitschko, though. I think he’s an opportunist who is anti-gay and probably anti-immigrant, racist and anti-semitic as well. His party coordinates with nationalist parties All-Ukrainian Union “Fatherland” and All-Ukrainian Union “Svoboda”.

224 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:50:10am

re: #217 Lidane

Cue the ‘splodey heads:

[Embedded content]

I wonder how many of those ‘splody heads are at DEA?

225 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:52:08am

re: #224 Political Atheist

I wonder how many of those ‘splody heads are at DEA?

Probably a lot.

227 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:53:59am

Why doesn’t booze scare them?
Or cigarettes?

228 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:54:34am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Why doesn’t booze scare them?
Or cigarettes?

I can think of million$ of reasons…

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:55:45am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, I’m old enough to remember when people were “hep”, not “hip”. Hep didn’t last very long, though.

“Hep” used to be an Anti-Semitic expression 200 years ago.

230 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 10:57:57am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Oh no. Those would be their drugs of choice. I’m glad to see this. It kinda makes me recall one of the (IMO) dumbest public safety declarations in recent memory. “E cigarettes are untested so we MUST regulate them ASAP” Um, scuse me but do the study, assess the harm of these things and then see about new rules to spend resources to enforce.

Is the real problem E Cig makers have no big lobby that defends them? I’d think so.

231 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:03:44am

“It’s not sleepy students at 4 a.m.”

232 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:05:30am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

“Hep” used to be an Anti-Semitic expression 200 years ago.

Did not know that. “Hep”, as I saw elsewhere, started in CA, but didn’t spread very far.

233 Pie-onist Overlord  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:16:00am

HURR HURR!!!!
Obama’s & Pelosi’s net worth isn’t even as much as the spare change that falls into the Kochs’ & Waltons’ sofa cushions.

234 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:18:44am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Why doesn’t booze scare them?
Or cigarettes?

That’s normal!

235 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:21:38am

re: #233 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!
Obama’s & Pelosi’s net worth isn’t even as much as the spare change that falls into the Kochs’ & Waltons’ sofa cushions.

[Embedded content]

I notice that a reliable source is quoted for the downward movement but, um, dubious sources for the hate.

I’m so surprised. //

236 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:30:04am

Love this Page.

Unexpected location, but hey fiscal conservatives can be humane and the best policy.

237 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:32:46am

Afternoon Lizardim.

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:33:39am

ETA: I should have noted that this isn’t true. But it’s still funny!

239 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:34:11am

re: #235 Romantic Heretic

I notice that a reliable source is quoted for the downward movement but, um, dubious sources for the hate.

I’m so surprised. //

The Center for Responsive Politics — they’re the ones that run the opensecrets.org website — lists Pelosi’s net worth now at $58 million.

As much as I hate the Kochs, this is *not* a one-sided problem.

240 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:38:08am

Guess who said it?

And, just for balance, I should say that I think JPod is getting too hung up on the phrase “ethnic balance” as a codeword for all sorts of unlovely things. It seems to me that if you’re going to sit down and have any immigration policy at all, it’s unavoidable that you’re going to address the issue of ethnic balance in one way or another, no matter what you call it. Ultimately, you have to choose where people come from if you have an immigration policy, even if you emphasize other factors like skills or family unification. So you can either look at it directly or you can skirt around it. But you can’t avoid it.

241 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:42:13am

That’s not much of a game when everybody has the Google.

Superior Immigrants

By Jonah Goldberg

242 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:48:20am
243 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:54:47am

re: #242 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Are happy feet involved?

244 Stanley Sea  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:56:16am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Are happy feet involved?

Nope. But watch for them/drink anyway.

(He never beat the Gators)

245 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:56:56am

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Are happy feet involved?

Haha. I am amused by the fact that so many of the rules involve taking shots, but winning the game means ordering Papa Johns, as if greasy pizza will somehow make the alcohol poisoning more tolerable. XD

246 Lidane  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 11:58:42am

Also, just for the day I am a Seahawks fan. Screw the 49ers. I’d like to see Seattle go to the Super Bowl.

The Denver/NE game doesn’t mean anything to me but I’m watching it anyway.

247 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 12:02:13pm

2 weeks from now, Seattle 35 Denver 28. ;)

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 12:04:05pm

re: #246 Lidane

Also, just for the day I am a Seahawks fan. Screw the 49ers. I’d like to see Seattle go to the Super Bowl.

The Denver/NE game doesn’t mean anything to me but I’m watching it anyway.

For you!

249 chadu  Sun, Jan 19, 2014 12:15:53pm

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

“Hep” used to be an Anti-Semitic expression 200 years ago.

I did not know that. (/carson)


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