Michigan GOP Official: ‘Herd All the Indians’ to Detroit, Build a Fence and Throw in Blankets

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The latest effort in GOP rebranding:

In a recent interview for a profile by The New Yorker titled “Drop Dead, Detroit!” Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson admitted, “Anytime I talk about Detroit, it will not be positive. Therefore, I’m called a Detroit basher. The truth hurts, you know? Tough sh*t.”

Patterson recalled telling his children to “get in and get out” if they needed to go to Detroit.

“And, before you go to Detroit, you get your gas out here. You do not, do not, under any circumstances, stop in Detroit at a gas station! That’s just a call for a carjacking,” he said.

Patterson also proposed a fix to Detroit’s financial problems: Turn the city into a reservation for Native Americans.

“I made a prediction a long time ago, and it’s come to pass. I said, ‘What we’re gonna do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and the corn.’”

After Detroit officials and activists reacted with outrage, Patterson’s office released a statement accusing The New Yorker of having an “agenda.”

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1 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:26:54am
“And, before you go to Detroit, you get your gas out here. You do not, do not, under any circumstances, stop in Detroit at a gas station! That’s just a call for a carjacking,” he said.

I always buy gas in Detroit. The Valero station at M-39 and Grand River is $0.20 cheaper than it is in Dearborn or Southfield.

2 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:27:47am

Has Brooks been nominated for Asshole Of The Day?

3 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:32:22am

He may be shocked to learn that Native Americans are not fenced in on their reservations. They can come to his neighborhood any time.

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:41:43am

Natives were here FIRST. If anything, they should be the ones wanting to put YOU behind a fence, Mr. Republican dumbass.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:42:04am

Also, nomination for front page for this post.

6 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:44:52am

re: #2 Pie-onist Overlord

Has Brooks been nominated for Asshole Of The Day?

Too much competition today.

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:46:55am
“I made a prediction a long time ago, and it’s come to pass. I said, ‘What we’re gonna do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and the corn.’”

How generous of the white man…

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8 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:48:00am

What. The. Fuck.

After Detroit officials and activists reacted with outrage, Patterson’s office released a statement accusing The New Yorker of having an “agenda.”

Democraps are teh reel racists!

9 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:48:53am

I love that he blames the New Yorker for having an agenda.

“HOW DARE YOU QUOTE ME IN CONTEXT!”

10 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:49:15am

Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick.

11 nines09  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:49:17am

GOP outreach. Thinking once again of others……and how to fuck them.

12 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:49:34am
…and then throw in the blankets and the corn.

Would those be clean blankets?

They’re a little shy about accepting free blankets these days.

13 Jay in Oregon  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:49:46am
“I made a prediction a long time ago, and it’s come to pass. I said, ‘What we’re gonna do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and the corn.’”

Is… is this a reference to smallpox blankets?

14 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:50:01am

30 years ago, Ford told NYC to drop dead.

NYC is now one of the richest and most prosperous cities on the planet. That happened because of a lot of hard work, getting the crack epidemic under control, ongoing and evolving policing, a fundamental review of how and what it means to run the city as mayor, and we have a much better city to show for it.

The same could potentially happen with places like Detroit or Newark or Camden or Trenton or other rust belt cities.

NYC isn’t alone in a rebirth and renaissance. Pittsburgh also was able to come through the iron industry shutdown and remade itself as a health and tech hub.

Detroit could do the same, but it needs leadership from the governors office - not merely trying to sell off what isn’t bolted down (and the MI governor is hoping the manager will do that too). We’d have to ignore decades of where the Detroit economy was propping up the state economy - it’s time for the rest of the state to help give back and restore Detroit’s economic circumstances.

15 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:50:27am

So, uh, am I the only one to view “throw in the blankets” when talking about Native American reservations as being kind of, I dunno, suspect fucking evil given American history on that subject?

16 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:50:53am

re: #15 GunstarGreen

So, uh, am I the only one to view “throw in the blankets” when talking about Native American reservations as being kind of, I dunno, suspect fucking evil given American history on that subject?

No.

17 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:51:28am

Come on, let’s not dance around this shit.

Patterson and his ilk are nothing but fascists.

18 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:52:31am

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

Come on, let’s not dance around this shit.

Patterson and his ilk are nothing but fascists.

Genocidal fascists, if they could get away with it.

19 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:52:40am

Oh good, I’m glad the GOP hates the original Fake Americans too. I was afraid it was just blacks and Latinos.

Can we get a quote from a California GOP official talking about sending all the Asians to Manzanar and throwing rice at them?

20 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:53:04am

re: #12 wrenchwench

Would those be clean blankets?

They’re a little shy about accepting free blankets these days.

What’s a little smallpox when you are a moocher getting freebies from the makers?? Next thing you know, you ungrateful brown skinned cantaloupe calved injuns will want health care!!!!!

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:53:53am

Does he really believe reservations are fenced to keep people in? Is that part of ‘American Exceptionalism’?

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:54:52am

The least he can do is turn over the Motor City, MGM Grand and Greektown casinos.

23 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:55:22am
Frank says:

Some Scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.

Kragar’s out to prove Frank right today.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:56:31am

Congratulations to Kragar for the back to back promotions!

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:56:45am
26 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:56:51am

re: #23 wrenchwench

Kragar’s out to prove Frank right today.

All I need is Rick Perry to say something and I’ve got the trifecta.

27 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:57:08am

Love snow; hate the consequences.

28 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:58:15am
“I made a prediction a long time ago, and it’s come to pass. I said, ‘What we’re gonna do is turn Detroit into an Indian reservation, where we herd all the Indians into the city, build a fence around it, and then throw in the blankets and the corn.’”

I can only wonder if this was a veiled reference to the (now debunked) folk tale that gained popularity among the far right about the US Army using blankets to spread the smallpox virus, and causing an epidemic in the early 1800s that nearly wiped out several tribes.

29 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 10:58:22am

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Same here. :(

30 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:01:15am

I think everybody is overreacting.

This is clearly a comedic statement.

After all, it’s about the suffering of people who aren’t white. That’s fucking hilarious.

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:01:25am

This heartless bastard probably thinks the Trail of Tears was a wonderful idea.

32 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:01:36am
33 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:01:57am
In recent years, Patterson has also come under fire for comparing Michigan House Speaker Jase Bolger to Hitler and for suggesting that Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano kill himself.

How agenda-y.

34 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:03:30am

re: #28 RadicalModerate

I can only wonder if this was a veiled reference to the (now debunked) folk tale that gained popularity among the far right about the US Army using blankets to spread the smallpox virus, and causing an epidemic in the early 1800s that nearly wiped out several tribes.

The tale of the blankets may be debunked, but disease wiped out more Native people than bullets and starvation.

35 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:05:11am

re: #28 RadicalModerate

I can only wonder if this was a veiled reference to the (now debunked) folk tale that gained popularity among the far right about the US Army using blankets to spread the smallpox virus, and causing an epidemic in the early 1800s that nearly wiped out several tribes.

It’s also a reference to the allotments handed out by the Bureau of Indian Affiars to “settled” tribes.

36 ausador  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:05:24am

Just what kind of narrow minded hateful bigot would even say something like this out loud, much less to a reporter?

Sheesh…decorum certainly has gone down hill out the window since a Black man was elected President.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:06:07am

re: #15 GunstarGreen

So, uh, am I the only one to view “throw in the blankets” when talking about Native American reservations as being kind of, I dunno, suspect fucking evil given American history on that subject?

Given the same group’s constant whining about “hand outs” and “moochers” I am surprised they even considered offering corn and blankets in the deal at all.
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38 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:07:05am
39 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:08:04am
40 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:08:19am
41 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:08:34am
42 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:09:37am
43 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:09:44am

re: #28 RadicalModerate

I can only wonder if this was a veiled reference to the (now debunked) folk tale that gained popularity among the far right about the US Army using blankets to spread the smallpox virus, and causing an epidemic in the early 1800s that nearly wiped out several tribes.

The claim I know of is from the siege of Fort Pitt in 1763 during the French and Indian Wars.

Wikipedia:

The British considered using smallpox as a biological warfare agent at the Siege of Fort Pitt during the French and Indian Wars (1754-63) against France and its Native American allies. Although it is not clear whether the actual use of smallpox had official sanction, on June 24, 1763, William Trent, a local trader, wrote, “Out of our regard for them [sc. representatives of the besieging Delawares], we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.” Historians do not agree on whether this effort to broadcast the disease was successful. It has also been alleged that smallpox was used as a weapon during the American Revolutionary War (1775-83).

44 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:10:29am

re: #36 ausador

Just what kind of narrow minded hateful bigot would even say something like this out loud, much less to a reporter?

Sheesh…decorum certainly has gone down hill out the window since a Black man was elected President.

First will come the declaration that it’s bold truth-telling rather than stupid and rude. Then it will be claimed that this is bold wit and people are just too wussy and serious.

45 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:11:03am

re: #34 wrenchwench

The tale of the blankets may be debunked, but disease wiped out more Native people than bullets and starvation.

This is true - there were at least three major smallpox epidemics that affected Native American tribes, the worst of which was in the 1770s which wiped out roughly 12,000 (of a total of 40,000) in western Washington - and it must be mentioned that the disease was one that was imported from European nations - it didn’t exist in North America, which is why it was so devastating to the native population, who had absolutely no immunity.

historylink.org

46 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:12:53am

re: #28 RadicalModerate

I can only wonder if this was a veiled reference to the (now debunked) folk tale that gained popularity among the far right about the US Army using blankets to spread the smallpox virus, and causing an epidemic in the early 1800s that nearly wiped out several tribes.

British forces attempted to spread smallpox among native Americans allied with Pontiac via blankets at the siege of Ft Pitt during July of 1763.

On June 29, 1763, a week after the siege began, Bouquet was preparing to lead an expedition to relieve Fort Pitt when he received a letter from Amherst making the following proposal: “Could it not be contrived to Send the Small Pox among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”[1]

Bouquet agreed, writing back to Amherst on July 13, 1763: “I will try to inocculate the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself.”[2] Amherst responded favorably on July 16, 1763: “You will Do well to try to Innoculate the Indians by means of Blanketts, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble Race.”[3]

As it turned out, however, officers at the besieged Fort Pitt had already exposed the Indians in just the manner Amherst and Bouquet were discussing. During a parley at Fort Pitt on June 24, 1763, Captain Simeon Ecuyer gave representatives of the besieging Delawares two blankets and a handkerchief from the smallpox ward “out of regard to them” after the Delawares pledged to renew their friendship.[4] While the exact meaning of his phrase was unclear, a later invoice appears to clearly establish the purpose was transmittal of smallpox.[5

I hadn’t heard about possible US Army attempts to use blankets for germ warfare, but the incident at Ft Pitt is well known and I heard about it as a child.

47 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:15:36am
48 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:17:58am

The fact that L. Brooks Patterson does not mention the existing majority Black population before offering to herd the Indians into Detroit suggests a prior genocide.

49 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:19:19am

re: #47 Kragar

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In other news, it’s been 1736 days since Hannity agreed to be waterboarded to prove it’s not torture…

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:19:33am

re: #48 wrenchwench

The fact that L. Brooks Patterson does not mention the existing majority Black population before offering to herd the Indians into Detroit suggests a prior genocide.

HURR HURR!!!11!! NOBODY LIVES IN DETROIT!!11!! IT IS AN ABANDONED RUIN LIKE TEH OLD PACKARD PLANT PICTURES WE ARE SPAMMING ALL OVER TEH TWITTERS!!!!1!!!!

51 Tigger2  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:21:44am

re: #47 Kragar

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It will also bring down the combined Intelligence level in Florida.

52 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:21:56am
“And, before you go to Detroit, you get your gas out here. You do not, do not, under any circumstances, stop in Detroit at a gas station! That’s just a call for a carjacking,” he said.

Another Derbyshire reader heard from.

53 Zamb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:22:20am

This may be the most offensive thing I’ve ever read. Does he think reservations are walled off? Does he seem to be ok with this? Fuck pretty certain he is advocating for genocide, though I’d bet a years salary that he’s made comparisons between dems and hitler.

54 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:22:32am

White dude derps with forked tongue.

55 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:25:48am

Sometimes I’m amazed that so many tribes still exist. They’re Tweeting up a storm, too.


Give ‘em a retweet. #changethename

56 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:26:12am

Sorry, I’m not going to devote any more mental energy to this shitstain and his opinion of Indigenous Americans.

Instead, let’s hear a different white dude wax poetic about another indigenous American. Both of these men had more courage and dignity in one nose hair than Patterson could ever dream of having.

Youtube Video

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:26:56am

You know you can retweet from a comment, right? You can even retweet from a Preview of a comment.

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:28:50am

I think the Washington Redskins should keep their name, just change their mascot to a potato.

This is the single point of agreement that I have with PETA. Otherwise they suck.

59 ObserverArt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:30:03am

re: #26 Kragar

All I need is Rick Perry to say something and I’ve got the trifecta.

Do you have a direct connection to his office communications and maybe media coverage of any scheduled public speaking, visits, tours or the like.

Pretty sure he will live down to any low expectation you might have for him. he can always be counted on.

60 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:30:13am

Seriously guys? Come on.

61 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:33:46am

Christie skirts scandal, pushes agenda in inauguration speech

i want to hear about the skirts scandal, but i think the genda should just push back

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:34:01am

re: #60 Kragar

Seriously guys? Come on.

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WHAT FUCKING BIBLE ARE THEY READING?!?!

63 ObserverArt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:34:34am

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Love snow; hate the consequences.

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Just got back in from taking care of the sidewalks around my house and the front public sidewalk on the street. It is as light and fluffy as I’ve seen in a long time in Ohio.

It is actually little glistening crystals…pure powder. We usually have wet snow around here. I’m not complaining, the wet stuff is bad on your back when shoveling if it is 4 or more inches deep. And, I’m not building any snowmen or planning on a snowball fight.

64 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:35:06am

re: #60 Kragar

Oy vey. What is he smoking?

65 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:35:40am

if detroit had traditionally been a republican city, all the wingnuts would be talking about what an “opportunity” it offers

after all, where else can you buy a five bedroom victorian for under 100 grand?

66 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:37:24am

So can we really “herd” all of the Indians to Detroit? Are they similar to cattle?

I suppose we could load them all into boxcars first to ship them to their new camp. I think there’s even a historical precedent for that.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:39:14am
68 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:40:32am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

At least everyone will be able to see what he caught on chip or film.

69 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:40:45am

WTF is wrong with these people?!

70 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:41:06am
71 ObserverArt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:41:06am

re: #34 wrenchwench

The tale of the blankets may be debunked, but disease wiped out more Native people than bullets and starvation.

Yep. Smallpox especially. Sad isn’t it. Most people of European descent seem to forget how corrosive the early settlers were on the native populations.

Edit…saw above RadicalModerate made mention of smallpox.

72 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:42:07am

re: #69 Dr Lizardo

They got a whiff of what the PA GOP “lawmaker” was smoking.

73 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:44:08am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

No, real men like Ted Nugent go to hunting camps where tame sheep are put out for real men to get a guaranteed trophy.

texashuntlodge.com

thewildliferanch.com

74 piratedan  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:44:12am

re: #70 wrenchwench

no worries there since the GOP won’t bring immigration reform to the floor for a vote…..

75 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:44:24am

L. Brooks Patterson is transforming Oakland County and southeast Michigan with his vision and no-nonsense leadership. His mission is to make Oakland County one of the best places to live, work, play and raise a family.

In his sixth four-year term as chief executive officer of one of America’s most affluent and progressive counties, Brooks presides over a $800 million annual budget for FY2014 and a county workforce of nearly 4,000 full and part time benefit eligible employees.

why does he spend so much money and have so many employees on the county public payroll? clearly he is a bureaucrat who supports big gummint…

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:47:49am

This seems oddly appropriate:

77 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:48:27am

re: #71 ObserverArt

Yep. Smallpox especially. Sad isn’t it. Most people of European descent seem to forget how corrosive the early settlers were on the native populations.

Most people of European descent also don’t seem to realize how corrosive life still is on the indigenous populations. And think the ‘Washington Redskins’ is some kind of honorific.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:50:04am
79 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:50:44am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

I think we can give him asshole of the month for that one.

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:51:02am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

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AssholeOfTheDay just seems so inadequate sometimes.

81 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:51:17am

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

I think we can give him asshole of the month for that one.

Ted Nugent won Asshole of the Year for 2013. There was a lot of competition for that one.

82 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:54:25am

re: #71 ObserverArt

Yep. Smallpox especially. Sad isn’t it. Most people of European descent seem to forget how corrosive the early settlers were on the native populations.

It didn’t even have to be settlers. Just a bit of contact with Europeans was enough to send epidemics sweeping across vast swaths of the Americas who had never encountered Europeans.

For example, the brutal civil war in the Inca Empire that Pizarro stumbled upon at Cajamarca occurred after the Inca Emperor Huayna Capac died of smallpox without anointing his successor, and two of his sons, Atahualpa and Huascar went to war with each other to secure the crown. Thus, smallpox was already devastating the Inca Empire before they had encountered a single European.

In fact, European settlements often sprung up only after the local population had been sufficiently devastated by disease to be unable to resist the European settlements. That’s what happened with the Pilgrims in Massachusetts.

83 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:54:33am

Gotta say that he’s not the asshole of the day. Wanker of the day, but not asshole.

I’d probably put asshole of the day on those responsible for killing 3 polio vaccination workers, shooting 4 others, and taking several hostage, in Pakistan.

But that is a whole different level of assholery that it deserves its own classification.

84 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 11:59:00am

re: #83 lawhawk

Gotta say that he’s not the asshole of the day. Wanker of the day, but not asshole.

I’d probably put asshole of the day on those responsible for killing 3 polio vaccination workers, shooting 4 others, and taking several hostage, in Pakistan.

But that is a whole different level of assholery that it deserves its own classification.

Maxiassholery.

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:01:55pm

WAIT, THEIR IS MOAR ASSHOLES.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:02:52pm

humor break:

87 Flying Squirrel Girl  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:05:58pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

Or they feed them every day at the same time in the same spot and then hide in wait for them, completely disguised in appearance and scent, and shoot them and call it hunting.

88 Joanne  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:09:32pm

re: #14 lawhawk

30 years ago, Ford told NYC to drop dead.

NYC is now one of the richest and most prosperous cities on the planet. That happened because of a lot of hard work, getting the crack epidemic under control, ongoing and evolving policing, a fundamental review of how and what it means to run the city as mayor, and we have a much better city to show for it.

The same could potentially happen with places like Detroit or Newark or Camden or Trenton or other rust belt cities.

NYC isn’t alone in a rebirth and renaissance. Pittsburgh also was able to come through the iron industry shutdown and remade itself as a health and tech hub.

Detroit could do the same, but it needs leadership from the governors office - not merely trying to sell off what isn’t bolted down (and the MI governor is hoping the manager will do that too). We’d have to ignore decades of where the Detroit economy was propping up the state economy - it’s time for the rest of the state to help give back and restore Detroit’s economic circumstances.

You iz a soshulizt!!1!

89 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:09:32pm

`re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ha! Looks like pedo bear.

90 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:10:25pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

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Beautiful. Amazing, lovely animal.

Cheetahs would actually be a long established domesticated housepet today if it were not for the fact that it is incredibly difficult to breed them in captivity (ancient rulers offered stupendous sums to anybody who could get cheetahs to mate in captivity, and some emperors etc 2000 years ago had hundreds of cheetahs in their royal households).

Cheetahs bond quite well with humans (IE they can be trained, are loyal and can interact safely with adults and children), are fantastic hunting animals and desirable pets (serve a purpose useful to humans), can be fed without undue hardship and grow to maturity in a reasonable time frame

Quite literally the only reason they have not been domesticated for the last 3,000 years is that captive breeding was not accomplished until 1968 or so..

91 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:10:30pm

Snowden Seeks Russian Protection After Threats, Lawyer Says

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:11:47pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

This seems oddly appropriate:

Local squirrels are up in their tree nests going, “WTF, it’s nasty out there!”

93 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:12:44pm

re: #91 jaunte

Snowden Seeks Russian Protection After Threats, Lawyer Says

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Shacking up with the FSB isn’t a good look for those seeking clemency, Snowjob.

94 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:12:55pm

re: #93 erik_t

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Shacking up with the FSB isn’t a good look for those seeking clemency, Snowjob.

Again.

95 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:14:00pm
96 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:15:56pm

Sort of quiet. Only about four workers left here on the entire floor.

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:18:54pm

Erick Erickson is a fuckwad. That’s a fact.

98 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:21:40pm

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

Erick Erickson is a fuckwad. That’s a fact.

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I’m pretty sure I could get a TRO placed on just about anyone for trumped up BS, which would be dropped once it got checked out.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:24:13pm
100 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:24:25pm

If you want to see what a fucking jerk looks like, look at a picture of Erick Erickson.

101 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:25:01pm

re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord

Fuck, its not even that.

Divorce and Family Law in Tarrant County, Texas

Sometimes parties served with a TRO are worried that they have been accused of a wide range of bad acts. That’s not the case. A TRO is just an example of a fairly common approach in the law that says “Don’t do these things”, without saying “I think you did these things in the past”. TROs are routine and courts don’t put any significance on them as far as proof, or even accusations, of past acts.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:27:14pm
103 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:27:46pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And once again, I’m thankful that a majority of Virginians chose not to put this fuckwad’s bagman in the governor’s mansion. Fuck ya very much, Cucci.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:27:53pm
105 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:29:09pm

Morning Afternoon Lizards.

I see the universe is continuing its competition to produce the biggest idiot.

My family continues to taunt me by sending photos of snow. At least it’s winter somewhere, right?

Meanwhile, today’s high is 72F. Again. Best shot at precipitation appears to be the 20% chance next Tuesday, but that will probably go away again. We are fucked here in CA.

106 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:30:41pm

re: #105 klys

That looks like PA suburbs. Heck it could be somewhere in Philly.

107 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:31:21pm

re: #106 PhillyPretzel

That looks like PA suburbs. Heck it could be somewhere in Philly.

Heh, closer to the NJ coast, actually. That photo was 2 hours ago, after 3 hours of snow.

108 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:33:26pm

re: #107 klys

I just went to look out my back window and saw blowing snow. :(

109 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:34:12pm

Like I needed another reason to feel old…

‘Meet The Beatles,’ released 50 years ago today

Where the hell did 50 years go?

110 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:34:54pm
re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

#BREAKINGNEWS: Former Virginia Gov. @BobMcDonnell and wife charged with illegally accepting gifts t.co

— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 21, 2014

111 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:35:07pm

re: #106 PhillyPretzel

That looks like PA suburbs. Heck it could be somewhere in Philly.

Not quite that much accumulation in Center City yet.

Can see a rather persistent panhandler a few blocks down. Not much traffic, but he appears to be getting a higher percentage of contributions than normal. To his advantage his chosen sitting/standing spot is right above a steam vault - so there is some warmth there.

112 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:35:22pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:35:57pm

Four inches of snow here, 25-30 mph north wind, forecast 3F tonight.

I made BBQ ribs with picnic fixins to pretend this isn’t happening.

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:36:49pm

HURR HURR!!!11!!! DEMOCRATZ IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!11!!1111!!!!

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:37:36pm

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

From Chandler, AZ.

My surprized face, let me show it to you…

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:39:00pm

re: #109 makeitstop

Like I needed another reason to feel old…

‘Meet The Beatles, released 50 years ago today

Where the hell did 50 years go?

“Those were the days my friends…we thought they’d never end…”

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:39:31pm

crap…now I have an awful earworm…

118 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:40:07pm

re: #109 makeitstop

Like I needed another reason to feel old…

‘Meet The Beatles,’ released 50 years ago today

Where the hell did 50 years go?

Yesterday…all my troubles seemed so far away…

119 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:41:08pm

DRIUDGE CLICK BAIT

US studying plans to rescue Americans if terrorists strike Sochi Olympics
Pentagon believes Russia’s reluctance to allow foreign forces on its soil would seriously hamper any evacuation attempt

Guardian. Boy are they half tabloid or what?

Why would the Russians be unable to deal with whatever happens at Sochi? I don’r get it.

120 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:41:09pm
121 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:41:38pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Yesterday…all my troubles seemed so far away…

That wasn’t on the “Meet The Beatles” album, it was on a later album (don’t remember which one)

122 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:41:45pm

re: #109 makeitstop

Like I needed another reason to feel old…

‘Meet The Beatles,’ released 50 years ago today

Where the hell did 50 years go?

what’s with those crazy haircuts?? they look like a buncha girls

and what’s the deal with that “ya ya ya” stuff?? when you’re older you’ll learn to appreciate real music like frank sinatra…

123 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:42:48pm

re: #121 Pie-onist Overlord

That wasn’t on the “Meet The Beatles” album, it was on a later album (don’t remember which one)

Why ya gotta harsh my buzz?

/

124 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:42:58pm

re: #120 jaunte

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I just…

Really.

Fuck the world today.

125 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:43:11pm

re: #122 dog philosopher
Doobie-doobie-doo…
doo-doo-doo wee-da-da-ta…

126 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:43:29pm

re: #122 dog philosopher

what’s with those crazy haircuts?? they look like a buncha girls

and what’s the deal with that “ya ya ya” stuff?? when you’re older you’ll learn to appreciate real music like frank sinatra…

Kids these days and their “rock and roll.” It’s a fad.

127 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:43:40pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

crap…now I have an awful earworm…

Lemme help with that…

Youtube Video

128 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:43:54pm

re: #120 jaunte

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Are these idiots trying to help Wendy Davis or what?

129 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:44:12pm

re: #128 Iwouldprefernotto

They just can’t help themselves.

130 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:45:03pm

Kids! What the hell is wrong with these kids today!
Kids! Who can understand anything they say!
Kids! They are disobedient, disrespectful oafs.
Noisy crazy, sloppy lazy loafers!

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:45:56pm

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

Kids! What the hell is wrong with these kids today!
Kids! Who can understand anything they say!
Kids! They are disobedient, disrespectful oafs.
Noisy crazy, sloppy lazy loafers!

I tried my best but they turned out to be Democrats anyway!

132 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:46:40pm

Yeah guys, insulting a female candidate and insinuating that she’s a no-good liar is totally the way to win. Just ask Sen. Scott Brown.

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133 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:47:58pm

HURR HURR!!!!! ONLY TEH CONSERVATIVES HAS TEH JRRBS AND CAN PAYS TEH TAXES!!!! ALL TEH LIBRULS IS ON TEH WELFARES AND ALL UNEMPLOYED!!!!!!!

134 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:48:40pm
135 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:48:51pm

What will NY do? PARTY!!!

136 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:49:17pm

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

What will NY do? PARTY!!!

Throw a fantabulous gay wedding?

137 Tigger2  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:49:24pm

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

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I did that when I got older and tired of hunting deer.

138 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:50:01pm

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

What will NY do? PARTY!!!

You got that right. Let ‘em all bail, no skin off my liberal nose.

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:52:55pm

Haven’t we been told for years that all the “real conservatives” already left California and the state’s economy is collapsing because there’s nobody to work?

140 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:53:31pm

The Wingnut/Dudebro convergence continues:

141 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:53:55pm

Paged:

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:54:00pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Haven’t we been told for years that all the “real conservatives” already left California and the state’s economy is collapsing because there’s nobody to work?

HURR HURR!!!!1 DETROIT!!!!!11!!! CONFIRMED. FACT.

143 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:54:23pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Haven’t we been told for years that all the “real conservatives” already left California and the state’s economy is collapsing because there’s nobody to work?

This is why God is punishing us with this drought, you see, which is going to have a huge effect on the agricultural bastion that is the Central Valley, a well known hotbed of liberal thought and voters.

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144 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:56:36pm

re: #119 Political Atheist

The terrorists won’t do anything at Sochi. Real masculine manly man Vladimir Putin will rip off his shirt and show off those sculpted abs and those rippling biceps and then kick every terrorists’ ass!

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:57:06pm
146 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:57:53pm

re: #144 Ian G.

lol. I do remember reading somewhere that he does have a black belt in one martial art.

147 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:58:44pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

148 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:59:38pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

The Wingnut/Dudebro convergence continues:

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Thye claim Nat Hentoff is a liberal icon? Hah. He’s an 88 year old fucking Dudebro from way back.

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:00:17pm

HURR HURR!!!!11 LIBRULS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!1!!!1!111

150 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:00:35pm

re: #147 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

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Awesome.

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:00:42pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Thye claim Nat Hentoff is a liberal icon? Hah. He’s an 88 year old fucking Dudebro from way back.

That nobody gives a shit about, or ever did.

152 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:01:43pm

re: #140 Pie-onist Overlord

Nat Hentoff……who? “Liberal icon”? Since when???

153 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:01:54pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Thye claim Nat Hentoff is a liberal icon? Hah. He’s an 88 year old fucking Dudebro from way back.

Who?

154 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:02:05pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

“icon”

They’re in an argument from authority rut.

155 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:02:56pm

re: #152 Dr. Matt

Nat Hentoff……who? Liberal icon? Since when???

Since Whirled Nut Drooly decided to crown him.

David Sirota has a sad.

156 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:03:02pm

I’ve literally never heard that name before.

157 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:03:30pm

re: #156 erik_t

I’ve literally never heard that name before.

Neither have I.

158 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:03:35pm

re: #156 erik_t

I think he’s been writing for the Village Voice for awhile.

159 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:03:40pm

re: #156 erik_t

I’ve literally never heard that name before.

x2

160 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:04:05pm

One of my neighbors just started up his snow blower. :(

161 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:04:06pm

Whatever that is.

162 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:04:45pm
Hentoff is known as a civil libertarian, free speech activist, anti-death penalty advocate, anti-abortion advocate. He supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq and is a supporter of Israel.

Liberal icon!!!!, said no thinking person ever.

163 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:04:48pm

Having absolutely no clue who Nat Hentoff was, I had to look up his bio:

In February 2009, Hentoff joined the libertarian Cato Institute as a senior fellow.

And we’re done.

164 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:05:10pm

GG and Snowden must be proud (no pun intended):
Russian cops, Olympic officials tackle teen for unfurling LGBT pride flag at torch relay

165 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:06:38pm

re: #163 Kragar

Since February 2008 Hentoff has been a weekly contributing columnist at WorldNetDaily.com

Iconic!

166 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:06:39pm

re: #128 Iwouldprefernotto

Are these idiots trying to help Wendy Davis or what?

No, they’re just being Republicans.

167 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:06:43pm

And there is Baker, who is Chief of the Cherokee in Oklahoma

For people like the Cherokee and Creek etc… there has been a A LOT of intermarriage over the centuries with Europeans so many of them identify with the larger white community of the USA. And there are ironically a lot of Native right wing, wingnuts because of this.

168 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:06:51pm

re: #158 jaunte

I think he’s been writing for the Village Voice for awhile.

Was.

After he “came out” as an opponent of abortion, several of his colleagues at The Village Voice stopped speaking to him.

And I quit reading him.

He holds the basic dudebro position of freedom being for adult white men and fetuses.

Hentoff holds what mainstream media may describe as idiosyncratic views. He espouses generally liberal views on domestic policy and civil liberties, but in the 1980s, he began articulating more socially conservative positions—opposed to abortion, voluntary euthanasia, and the selective medical treatment of severely disabled infants. Hentoff argued that a consistent life ethic should be the viewpoint of a genuine civil libertarian, arguing that all human rights are at risk when the rights of any one group of people are diminished, that human rights are interconnected, and people deny others’ human rights at their own peril.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:06:54pm

HURR HURR!!!11!! LESS PAY MEANS MOAR JRRBS!!!11!!!!

170 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:07:13pm

Nat Hentoff is a “liberal icon” just like Saul Alinsky is left’s ‘Godfather of community organizing’.

171 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:08:14pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

He holds the basic dudebro position of freedom being for adult white men and fetuses.

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None.

None more dudebro.

172 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:08:26pm
173 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:08:43pm

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!! LESS PAY MEANS MOAR JRRBS!!!11!!!!

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I really wish they’d take this zombie myth out back and put two bullets in the head. When the majority of those working minimum wage jobs are adults and the guy working the fryer has more schooling than the kid working the register, the idea that minimum-wage jobs should be kept low-paying to create “opportunity” is so much bullshit.

174 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:08:59pm

re: #152 Dr. Matt

I have never even heard of him. You sure he’s not some wino they pulled off a box car and said “here’s a laptop, you’re now a liberal icon, now tweet like the wind”!!111!!!111

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:09:16pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Nat Hentoff is a “liberal icon” just like Saul Alinsky is left’s ‘Godfather of community organizing’.

Hey now. Alinsky really was a community organizer, and wrote a couple of books about it, and has a legacy. In the fucking White House. I think that’s a good thing.

176 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:10:12pm

Quick! Someone get the Drudge siren:

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:10:18pm
178 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:12:59pm

Heh.

179 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:13:32pm

OMG. These new Republicans are so bad at this. I don’t even think they know what ‘Diplomatic’ or to be a ‘Diplomat’ means.

180 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:14:13pm

What right wing racism?

181 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:14:46pm
182 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:14:56pm

re: #180 Lidane

Not to go Godwin, but “subhuman mongrel” is probably exactly how Hitler would have described the President.

183 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:16:04pm

re: #182 Ian G.

Not to go Godwin, but “subhuman mongrel” is probably exactly how Hitler would have described the President.

And Ted Nugent for that matter.

184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:16:24pm

re: #178 Lidane

Heh.

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185 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:16:35pm

re: #163 Kragar

Having absolutely no clue who Nat Hentoff was, I had to look up his bio:

And we’re done.

Hentoff lost his marbles a long time ago. I had forgotten he still existed.

186 Lidane  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:16:38pm

re: #182 Ian G.

Not to go Godwin, but “subhuman mongrel” is probably exactly how Hitler would have described the President.

It’s also how the Klan would’ve put it.

187 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:16:58pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

Hey now. Alinsky really was a community organizer, and wrote a couple of books about it, and has a legacy. In the fucking White House. I think that’s a good thing.

I never heard of him before the teatards turned him into a faux librul icon. Hell, and I’m willing to bet that most people on the left have never heard of him. Even someone as politically savvy as Tweety admitted that he had to google the guy. And it doesn’t change the fact that Alinsky is NOT the Left’s hero, icon, scholar, etc., and that the entire Left does not subscribe to Alinsky’s philosophies. The ONLY reason why the teatards even knows the guy existed was because of Glenn Beck’s paranoia spewing on Fox.

188 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:17:06pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Snowmen?

189 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:17:17pm

re: #152 Dr. Matt

Nat Hentoff……who? “Liberal icon”? Since when???

I think he used to write for THE NATION but really don’t know who NH is. Shrugs.

190 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:17:19pm

re: #180 Lidane

What right wing racism?

@mmfa
Outdoor Channel’s Ted Nugent: “subhuman mongrel” President Obama should be convicted of treason: mm4a.org

Where have I heard language like that before…

“Traitor Jang Song Thaek Executed” blared the headline posted by the state-run news agency about the man who, until recently, had been regarded as the nation’s second-most powerful figure.

The story said that a special military tribunal had been held Thursday against the “traitor for all ages,” who was accused of trying to overthrow the state “by all sorts of intrigues and despicable methods.”

The KCNA report described Jang as “despicable human scum” and “worse than a dog,” and said he had betrayed his party and leader.

Ah. There we go.

191 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:18:53pm

re: #14 lawhawk

30 years ago, Ford told NYC to drop dead.

NYC is now one of the richest and most prosperous cities on the planet. That happened because of a lot of hard work, getting the crack epidemic under control, ongoing and evolving policing, a fundamental review of how and what it means to run the city as mayor, and we have a much better city to show for it.

The same could potentially happen with places like Detroit or Newark or Camden or Trenton or other rust belt cities.

NYC isn’t alone in a rebirth and renaissance. Pittsburgh also was able to come through the iron industry shutdown and remade itself as a health and tech hub.

Detroit could do the same, but it needs leadership from the governors office - not merely trying to sell off what isn’t bolted down (and the MI governor is hoping the manager will do that too). We’d have to ignore decades of where the Detroit economy was propping up the state economy - it’s time for the rest of the state to help give back and restore Detroit’s economic circumstances.

It’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.

New York City’s economy hasn’t been based on the industrial sector for more than a century - its engine almost exclusively drives from being the financial/banking hub of the US - the import/export industry is a distant second place.
Also, Detroit, and to a lesser extent Cleveland, had a MASSIVE exodus of population when the auto industry left town. With that exodus, the financial base driving the city collapsed. This didn’t happen in the case of NYC. What grew, and eventually fixed New York would not work with any other city in the United States.

192 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:19:26pm

re: #190 erik_t

Where have I heard language like that before…

Ah. There we go.

It’s that kind of observation that reminds me that the most important division in types of people isn’t black/white, left/right, rich/poor etc.

It’s “people who think it’s OK to call other people dogs” and the rest of us.

193 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:19:28pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

Snowmen?

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LETS BUILD A SNOWMAN!

Youtube Video

194 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:19:53pm

re: #182 Ian G.

This is the difference between a real diplomat, a real leader;
I can imagine almost all right wing leaders right now, publicly calling someone an subhuman Mongrel, but for the life of me, I can’t ever imagine President Obama saying something like that.

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:20:16pm

McDonnell indictment:

Scribd Document

196 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:21:55pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

McDonnell indictment:

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If I have any problem with the indictment at this time, it’s that they held off on indicting him until after he’d left office, when there was every indication that they had enough to charge him with a crime months ago.

197 chadu  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:22:50pm

re: #19 Ian G.

Oh good, I’m glad the GOP hates the original Fake Americans too. I was afraid it was just blacks and Latinos.

Them Injuns should just go back where they come from! Hurr hurr!

198 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:22:50pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

If I have any problem with the indictment at this time, it’s that they held off on indicting him until >after he’d left office, when there was every indication that they had enough to charge him with a crime months ago.

I’m not one to look a gift indictment in the mouth.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:23:15pm

HURR HURR!!!1!!!!!

200 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:25:10pm

re: #191 RadicalModerate

It’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.

New York City’s economy hasn’t been based on the industrial sector for more than a century - its engine almost exclusively drives from being the financial/banking hub of the US - the import/export industry is a distant second place.
Also, Detroit, and to a lesser extent Cleveland, had a MASSIVE exodus of population when the auto industry left town. With that exodus, the financial base driving the city collapsed. This didn’t happen in the case of NYC. What grew, and eventually fixed New York would not work with any other city in the United States.

NYC is a bad comparison, but Pittsburgh is not, and the former Steeltown’s economy is humming thanks to high tech medical research and education. It appears Buffalo, NY is trying to go the Pittsburgh route, and Cleveland has Case Western, Cleveland State, and the Cleveland Clinic, so the infrastructure to do such a redevelopment is there for the Forest City. Motown, however, I’m not so sure, especially with UMich being in Ann Arbor.

201 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:25:16pm

re: #198 erik_t

I’m not one to look a gift indictment in the mouth.

Neither am I, but this stinks of political expediency, that they didn’t want the indictment and subsequent proceedings to happen in the last months of the election, when any information that might come out in court could have hurt Cucci’s chances. Sorry, but I don’t think you should throw a sheet over political corruption because it might hurt the electoral chances of the bagman.

202 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:26:08pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

I just wanted to abuse the idiom.

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:27:47pm

re: #202 erik_t

I just wanted to abuse the idiom.

Fair enough. At least this ends any talk of McDonnell as a future presidential or vice presidential candidate.

204 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:30:21pm

re: #200 Ian G.

NYC is a bad comparison, but Pittsburgh is not, and the former Steeltown’s economy is humming thanks to high tech medical research and education. It appears Buffalo, NY is trying to go the Pittsburgh route, and Cleveland has Case Western, Cleveland State, and the Cleveland Clinic, so the infrastructure to do such a redevelopment is there for the Forest City. Motown, however, I’m not so sure, especially with UMich being in Ann Arbor.

Wayne State actually does a pretty good job of anchoring that part of Detroit, but you’re right - it’s not the same as having Case Western and Pitt (as well as sundry smaller institutions, though Detroit has some of those too).

Like it or not, Pittsburgh has also benefited (to my mind) from a more diverse population. One of Detroit’s big problems is that it’s “the other” to a lot of non-Detroit Michiganders.

205 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:32:59pm

Hell, the GOP 2016 roster of presidential hopefuls is dropping like flies. McDonnell’s indicted and Christie may end up being indicted, Paul got caught plagiarizing and is out of his fucking gourd, Rubio first burned the base by authoring immigration reform and then burned minorities by railing against it after it stalled in the House, and Ryan still has the stink of Romney on him.

No wonder they’re so hopeful that BENGHAZI!!! gains some traction.

206 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:33:37pm

re: #179 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11

OMG. These new Republicans are so bad at this. I don’t even think they know what ‘Diplomatic’ or to be a ‘Diplomat’ means.

Their idea of diplomacy is the same as Henry Kissinger’s. Show up with a sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other. Then ask the other party which they prefer.

Except the wingnuts usually skip the sandwich part.

207 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:34:07pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Hell, the GOP 2016 roster of presidential hopefuls is dropping like flies. McDonnell’s indicted and Christie may end up being indicted, Paul got caught plagiarizing and is out of his fucking gourd, Rubio first burned the base by authoring immigration reform and then burned minorities by railing against it after it stalled in the House, and Ryan still has the stink of Romney on him.

No wonder they’re so hopeful that BENGHAZI!!! gains some traction.

THE STREETS WILL RUN WITH SANTORUM!

208 chadu  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:35:12pm

re: #207 Kragar

THE STREETS WILL RUN WITH SANTORUM!

Ewwwww.

209 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:35:15pm

re: #207 Kragar

Ban this man.
Kthx.

210 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:35:30pm

re: #158 jaunte

I think he’s been writing for the Village Voice for awhile.

Jazz & Pop critic turned senior…. citizen. Or something.

I remember him reviewing jazz records way back in the day.

211 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:35:34pm

re: #207 Kragar

THE STREETS WILL RUN WITH SANTORUM!

212 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:37:02pm

re: #204 iossarian

Like it or not, Pittsburgh has also benefited (to my mind) from a more diverse population. One of Detroit’s big problems is that it’s “the other” to a lot of non-Detroit Michiganders.

Pittsburgh (and Cleveland and Buffalo) also benefit from being less sprawling. It’s harder for entire neighborhoods to be abandoned as they are in Detroit.

213 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:37:42pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

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214 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:39:23pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Hell, the GOP 2016 roster of presidential hopefuls is dropping like flies. McDonnell’s indicted and Christie may end up being indicted, Paul got caught plagiarizing and is out of his fucking gourd, Rubio first burned the base by authoring immigration reform and then burned minorities by railing against it after it stalled in the House, and Ryan still has the stink of Romney on him.

No wonder they’re so hopeful that BENGHAZI!!! gains some traction.

They still have Jeb Bush.

215 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:39:50pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

They still have Jeb Bush.

Who?

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216 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:42:51pm

OT Just posted a page on Philly’s Snow Emergency. littlegreenfootballs.com

217 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:42:58pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

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218 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:43:52pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

They still have Jeb Bush.

Rick Perry is just biding his time.

219 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:44:26pm

re: #187 Dr. Matt

I never heard of him before the teatards turned him into a faux librul icon. Hell, and I’m willing to bet that most people on the left have never heard of him. Even someone as politically savvy as Tweety admitted that he had to google the guy. And it doesn’t change the fact that Alinsky is NOT the Left’s hero, icon, scholar, etc., and that the entire Left does not subscribe to Alinsky’s philosophies. The ONLY reason why the teatards even knows the guy existed was because of Glenn Beck’s paranoia spewing on Fox.

I actually experienced some ‘community organizer training’. Alinsky was assigned reading. He was a Chicago guy, so I was serious about his legacy being in the White House.

Alinsky should be a lefty icon, but I agree, he’s more obscure than Hentoff by a long shot.

220 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:45:22pm

re: #210 makeitstop

Jazz & Pop critic turned senior…. citizen. Or something.

I remember him reviewing jazz records way back in the day.

On December 31, 2008, the Village Voice, which had regularly published Hentoff’s commentary and criticism for fifty years, announced that he had been laid off.[4] In February 2009, Hentoff joined the libertarian Cato Institute as a senior fellow.[5] In January 2010 however Hentoff returned and wrote one article for the Voice. Since February 2008 Hentoff has been a weekly contributing columnist at WorldNetDaily.com.[6]

221 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:46:14pm

re: #218 Kragar

Rick Perry is just biding his time.

It’ll be his …give him a bit, he’ll think of it eventually… run for the presidential nomination.

222 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:48:38pm

re: #156 erik_t

I’ve literally never heard that name before.

Ditto.

223 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:49:35pm


That’s the teacher who told the 12 year old shooter in Roswell to put his gun down last week. Was it just last week? There have been so many shootings since then….

224 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:54:27pm

This is all great news for John McCain!

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:55:21pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

Good lesson for the GOP: There are a lot of heroes who don’t need to brandish an AR-15.

226 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:55:27pm

re: #176 Lidane

Quick! Someone get the Drudge siren:

Congrats TX. You just made it even harder for folks to get healthcare insurance in a state that already has some of the highest rates of uninsured in the country.

227 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:56:22pm
228 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:56:32pm

Are these ACA “Navigators” going to be as useful as Crisis Pregnancy Center “counselors”?

229 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:58:10pm

re: #228 Eclectic Cyborg

Are these ACA “Navigators” going to be as useful as Crisis Pregnancy Center “counselors”?

The navigators are fine. The rules that states like TX are trying to impose will make their job harder.

230 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 1:59:09pm

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

231 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:03:00pm

This is what it looks like outside my house.

232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:03:30pm

News guy at WFTS-TV in Tampa:

233 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:04:12pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope he goes down in flames in the election.

234 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:04:21pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

I almost did a double-take. The 3-4-3 arrangement you see there is still standard today, but the seats look so BIG. Not only is there legroom (which certainly has changed), there’s everything-room.

People were so small back then.

235 simoom  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:04:57pm

Some old GG tweets from back in Nov:

Greenwald is suggesting here that there are parts of Snowden’s bulk document dump, that if published, would damage him in the eyes of the public and subject him to serious new legal jeopardy (including charges of treason — “treason charges are serious”).

In that recently published cryptome e-mail exchange Greenwald wrote something similar:

Anyone who demands that we “release all documents” - or even release large numbers in bulk - is demanding that we violate our agreement with our source, disregard the framework we created when he gave us the documents, jeopardize his interests in multiple ways, and subject him to far greater legal (and other) dangers.

Again, the take away from all of this that there are aspects of both the scale and content of what he stole, that if clearly defined to the public by GG, would severely undermine the painstakingly crafted Snowden mythology.

236 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:05:17pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought that Republicans *liked* the whole military superiority/”drop bombs on them” thing.

237 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:06:11pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

I read somewhere recently that image is of a mockup of a “proposed” aircraft interior used for advertising, not a real plane.

238 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:06:26pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

News guy at WFTS-TV in Tampa:

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WTFITS-TV?

239 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:06:31pm
240 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:07:38pm

re: #234 erik_t

I almost did a double-take. The 3-4-3 arrangement you see there is still standard today, but the seats look so BIG. Not only is there legroom (which certainly has changed), there’s everything-room.

People were so small back then.

That actually looks like 3-4-2 - the far side I can only see two passengers, one window and one aisle.

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:08:36pm

re: #238 wrenchwench

WTFITS-TV?

heh…was my first reaction, too.

242 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:08:40pm

No BBQ tonight on neighbors grill.

243 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:09:24pm

re: #242 PhillyPretzel

No, you’ll have to ski to the nearest restaurant.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:09:25pm

re: #242 PhillyPretzel

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No BBQ tonight on neighbors grill.

Because yer neighbor is a wuss…

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:09:31pm

WTFITS

246 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:09:56pm

re: #240 klys

That actually looks like 3-4-2 - the far side I can only see two passengers, one window and one aisle.

I couldn’t quite tell what’s going on on the far side, but I’ve literally never heard of a two-aisle arrangement that was unbalanced.

247 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:10:03pm

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, my brain just totally BSOD’d….TWICE.

248 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:10:05pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

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I am pretty sure economy class NEVER looked like that.

249 Jack Burton  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:10:09pm

re: #236 iossarian

I thought that Republicans *liked* the whole military superiority/”drop bombs on them” thing.

Not when the person in charge of it all is a Democrat. Especially not when that Democrat has melanin.

250 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:10:20pm

re: #237 jaunte

I read somewhere recently that image is of a mockup of a “proposed” aircraft interior used for advertising, not a real plane.

I believe that. It looks fake. Too much space up front, for one.

251 simoom  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:11:42pm

re: #235 simoom

Maybe something to do with this?

cbsnews.com

ROGERS: … we noticed that a guy that was worried about privacy issues spent a lot of time, and as a recent DIA report revealed, stealing information the vast majority of which had nothing to do with the NSA program and everything to do with our military capabilities, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, number one.

You’d have to go and look for that information.

252 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:12:24pm

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Sure, and let’s reduce racism by getting rid of races, too.

253 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:14:10pm

re: #158 jaunte

I think he’s been writing for the Village Voice for awhile since the Pleistocene.

254 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:14:15pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

Ah, here it is:

To give an idea of what the single deck cabin and the double deck cabin would look like, two lumber and plywood mock-ups were built (see picture above for the single deck mock-up). PanAm chairman & his team flew down west to evaluate the options. “Would PanAm agree for the single deck?” It was a tense moment for Joe. After reviewing the mock-ups Trippe told Joe, “You made the right decision”.
catalign.in

255 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:15:23pm

Shooting at Purdue.

Letting people carry guns everywhere will make us all safer!

256 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:15:45pm

chronicle.com

257 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:16:09pm

re: #251 simoom

Maybe something to do with this?

cbsnews.com

Information that would be of great interest to…say…foreign powers who wish to know the composition and status of our military forces.

258 chadu  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:16:38pm

re: #251 simoom

Maybe something to do with this?

cbsnews.com

Well, now.

259 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:16:45pm

re: #246 erik_t

I couldn’t quite tell what’s going on on the far side, but I’ve literally never heard of a two-aisle arrangement that was unbalanced.

I agree, but it definitely sounds like this wasn’t a real plane either. :) Look at the stripes on the floor - close to the camera, they’re much further underneath the seats than they are relative to the seats on the far aisle, and I don’t think that can all be explained by perspective. There’s also no room for a third person in that first row on the far side.

Cutting out a seat and distributing the space among the rest would certainly explain why the seats look a hell of a lot bigger.

260 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:17:15pm

re: #254 jaunte

Ah, here it is:

Internet Unstoppability Level: plaid.

261 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:17:31pm

Hmmm. Snow food: Making lentil & vegetable soup and I added some red curry paste. Delish w/wheat french bread. : )

262 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:18:05pm

What an utter fucking idiot.

263 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:18:08pm
264 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:18:34pm

re: #261 Justanotherhuman

Hmmm. Snow food: Making lentil & vegetable soup and I added some red curry paste. Delish w/wheat french bread. : )

Made that Sunday. :)

265 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:18:51pm

re: #262 Pie-onist Overlord

What an utter fucking idiot.

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When exactly did Israel make that claim?
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266 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:19:45pm

How can I nominate Max Blumenthal for Asshole Of The Day?

267 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:20:35pm

If King George could have had the NSA, why couldn’t Israel might-have-had a flag with no symbol?

oh yes, these —-> //////

268 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:20:45pm

re: #237 jaunte

I read somewhere recently that image is of a mockup of a “proposed” aircraft interior used for advertising, not a real plane.

Can’t find the original tweet, so false internet meme stands. Lots of other good tweets over there, though.

269 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:21:17pm

re: #265 Kragar

When exactly did Israel make that claim?
/

Israel can’t even claim to speak for all Jews in Israel.

270 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:25:26pm

re: #269 Pie-onist Overlord

Israel can’t even claim to speak for all Jews in Israel.

hell, i don’t even claim to speak for myself

271 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:25:28pm

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Larry Fine was the best Stooge, and there will be no argument on this point.

272 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:26:46pm

re: #270 dog philosopher

hell, i don’t even claim to speak for myself

Me neither, my wife does that for me.

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273 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:27:09pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

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Easy price to pay to avoid sardinedom.

274 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:28:17pm

Gov Cuomo just declared state of emergency.

275 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:28:39pm

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

276 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:30:05pm

re: #239 jaunte

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and payment for part of our daughter’s wedding reception.

Her freaking marriage is tainted. haha

277 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:30:15pm

re: #275 Gus

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

You could make a very strong argument that, ecologically, we’d be a lot better off if people didn’t think of flying as casually as they do, and only used it to go cross-continent or over oceans. The pollution footprint of jet aviation travel is ghastly.

278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:30:24pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

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And I bet every single one of the arm rests has an ashtray in it.

Were the air scrubbers really that good, or did people really hotbox their way across the continent in those days? I remember being on smoking flights, but I don’t actually remember whether anyone smoked or not.

279 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:30:49pm

re: #275 Gus

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

Traveling by map was faster anyways

280 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:31:04pm

re: #269 Pie-onist Overlord

Israel can’t even claim to speak for all Jews in Israel.

You mean Israel doesn’t speak for these guys?


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281 Stanley Sea  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:31:59pm

re: #254 jaunte

I’m so behind on the thread….

282 dog philosopher  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:32:53pm

re: #278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And I bet every single one of the arm rests has an ashtray in it.

Were the air scrubbers really that good, or did people really hotbox their way across the continent in those days? I remember being on smoking flights, but I don’t actually remember whether anyone smoked or not.

the past smells like stubbed out cigarettes and wet wool clothes

283 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:32:55pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Easy price to pay to avoid sardinedom.

Is it just me, or does anyone else long for the day when garments came un-ripped?

Haha, we wore jeans but not all the time; when they got torn, they were put in the rag bag just like everything else. It was embarrassing when your stuff started wearing out, was torn, etc.

Yeah, I know, it’s a young people’s fashion thing, but if I had $100 back then, I sure wouldn’t have paid that for a pair of jeans that looked like they came out of a dumpster. : )

284 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:34:14pm

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

Gov Cuomo just declared state of emergency.

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I’ll say.

My wife left her place of employment at 2:00, usually a 30-40 minute drive home. She is just now exiting the Southern State parkway on her way home and still probably has another 20 minutes of driving in front of her.

Bet your snowshoes we’re hunkering down for the night once she’s home.

285 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:34:34pm
286 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:34:42pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

Upside: legroom. Downside: you had to dress like you were going to church.

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Wow. I actually remember when planes looked like that - it’s right around the time I first started flying. And everyone would be smoking too.

And no security checks. At all.

287 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:35:26pm

re: #284 makeitstop

Yes. It took me over 2 hours to get home today. Tomorrow is going to be a @$%^.

288 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:35:43pm
289 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:37:30pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Wow. I actually remember when planes looked like that - it’s right around the time I first started flying. And everyone would be smoking too.

And no security checks. At all.

Rich people hijack your airline and imperil society in the boardroom, not with a boxcutter.

290 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:37:31pm
291 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:38:29pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

Yes. It took me over 2 hours to get home today. Tomorrow is going to be a @$%^.

Telecommute?

292 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:39:31pm

re: #275 Gus

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

First ride was military standby on an Ozark Airlines DC-3—fabric control surfaces.

293 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:40:18pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

First ride was military standby on an Ozark Airlines DC-3—fabric control surfaces.

Damn you’re old! // :D

294 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:40:23pm

re: #278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I remember smoking in flight, It was my first time to Tokyo in 98’.
As soon as the no smoking signs turned off, half of the Japanese people on the flight immediately lit up.
I smoked then so I was like, yay!

295 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:41:02pm

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

I have to physically go to the job. :(

296 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:41:13pm

re: #289 erik_t

Rich people hijack your airline and imperil society in the boardroom, not with a boxcutter.

As incredible as it looks with the huge seats and leg room, I remember a long flight to Japan that was an absolute nightmare because of the smoking. There was no smoking “section,” everybody just smoked in every seat. And I do mean everybody. The whole cabin was filled with cigarette smoke for the entire flight.

297 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:41:18pm

At least airplanes had little blowers to move the air around. Greyhound buses with smoking were the worst. Unless we go international, then Turkish buses with smoking were the worst. In January, so it was cold and nobody would open a window. A LONG bus ride.

298 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:41:46pm

Handley Page W10 passenger cabin

britishairways.com

299 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:42:10pm

No doubt if Israel removed the star of David, Hamas, et al, would recognize Israel’s right to exist. Hamas would quickly revise its charter and neo-Nazis everywhere would start having second thoughts.

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300 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:43:05pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

OMG yes! I mean the whole cabin was just filled with smoke.

301 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:43:20pm

Flying in an airliner. It’s loud and rather boring.

302 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:43:57pm

re: #285 Kragar

Is that a reference to something I’ve missed?

303 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:43:59pm

re: #298 jaunte

Handley Page W10 passenger cabin

britishairways.com

I hope those wicker chairs are bolted down. And fireproofed.

304 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:44:53pm

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

Telecommute?

I’m really hoping my wife can do that tomorrow. As bad as it is now, it’s only gonna be a lot worse tomorrow.

305 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:44:59pm

re: #302 iossarian

Is that a reference to something I’ve missed?

Wendy Davis

306 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:45:11pm

re: #275 Gus

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

The really cool part was the flight attendant uniforms! Braniff had Pucci designed ones in the 60s and 70s.

307 Bear  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:45:49pm

After flying on prop planes especially F-27. the first takeoff on a jet was almost panic. Would the thing ever get off the ground.

308 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:46:24pm

God bless Toronto and their mayor. Rob Ford, drunk at a fast food joint at 2am, rambling in a Jamaican accent.

thespec.com

309 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:47:10pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

At least airplanes had little blowers to move the air around. Greyhound buses with smoking were the worst. Unless we go international, then Turkish buses with smoking were the worst. In January, so it was cold and nobody would open a window. A LONG bus ride.

Rather better than that; a typical airliner actually exchanges the entire volume of internal air about every five minutes [PDF]

310 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:48:40pm

re: #305 Kragar

Wendy Davis

Thanks. I guess they really hate her. Suggests she’s doing something right.

311 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:49:20pm

Our recent flight back from Tokyo was on the 787. I would have enjoyed having a window seat but because of the clusterfuck that is reserving with a partner airline through a codeshare we didn’t even know if we could sit together until my husband boarded the plane. (This was after they initially couldn’t find my reservation through the electronic checkin.)

The plane itself was really nice; I don’t know for sure if it was the higher cabin pressure or the fact that the flight to Tokyo had been 14 hours but I felt better getting off the plane than I had in a while. There’s a few nice touches - a fold down cupholder on both the table *and* the chair in front of you (so you can use it with the table up or down), and a folding down footrest even in economy. Also, the power plug worked (a plus compared to the first flight) but the airplane wiring managed to mess with the touchscreen on my Surface so I spent half the flight trying to troubleshoot without having access to the Internet. (It works fine again now that it is not plugged in to the airplane.)

312 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:50:15pm

re: #306 blueraven

The really cool part was the flight attendant uniforms! Braniff had Pucci designed ones in the 60s and 70s.

The museum at SFO had a nice exhibit on those a year or two ago. It was cool to wander through! (It’s outside security, so you can go even if you’re not flying anywhere.)

313 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:50:29pm

I preferred the train back in the day. On a longish trip, a visit to the dining car, never used the sleeping cars, though. It was pretty civilized. Don’t know what it’s like today.

This is a photo of the dining car on the New York Central line—a full breakfast during WWII cost 85 cents. The last time I had a meal on a train was in the late 70s, and it was more expensive, of course, but far better than airline food.

Image: 17ie.jpg

314 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:50:31pm

re: #309 erik_t

Rather better than that; a typical airliner actually exchanges the entire volume of internal air about every five minutes [PDF]

When I was teaching bike mechanics to some Boeing engineers, they told me about a project they worked on to get a little exhaust hole to remove smoke, but not passengers, at 30,000 feet. They were doing it for French customers, because apparently banning smoking for people who eat all the butter they want was still impossible in the 80s.

315 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:51:14pm

re: #311 klys

(This was after they initially couldn’t find my reservation through the electronic checkin.)

I initially misread this as ‘the electronic chicken.’ It would be cool if they had electronic chickens at airports.

316 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:51:38pm

Saying Wendy Davis was doing drugs because the TRO mentioned drugs is like saying Erik Erikson was doing WMD research because the Terms of Service agreement for his iTunes said not to be used to research nuclear weapons

317 erik_t  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:51:40pm

re: #311 klys

Our recent flight back from Tokyo was on the 787.

The plane itself was really nice; I don’t know for sure if it was the higher cabin pressure or the fact that the flight to Tokyo had been 14 hours but I felt better getting off the plane than I had in a while.

It might actually be the humidity. Because the thing is composite and corrosion is a much smaller concern, they’re able to keep the relative humidity much higher in the 787, compared to other commercial aircraft.

318 iossarian  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:51:45pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

When I was teaching bike mechanics to some Boeing engineers, they told me about a project they worked on to get a little exhaust hole to remove smoke, but not passengers, at 30,000 feet. They were doing it for French customers, because apparently banning smoking for people who eat all the butter they want was still impossible in the 80s.

I must have flown on a couple of flights with smoking sections well into the 80s. Smoking sections! What a joke. There was a little curtain to keep the smoke away from us healthier folk.

319 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:52:15pm

re: #312 klys

The museum at SFO had a nice exhibit on those a year or two ago. It was cool to wander through! (It’s outside security, so you can go even if you’re not flying anywhere.)

My MIL has a friend who used to fly for Braniff. She is about 80 now and still has all her Pucci uniform pieces. So cool!

320 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:53:06pm

re: #315 makeitstop

I initially misread this as ‘the electronic chicken.’ It would be cool if they had electronic chickens at airports.

It would be pretty awesome!

Narita actually disappointed me a lot as an airport. I guess I was just expecting more, but it didn’t deliver. Of course, I was peeved about the whole checkin mess and not feeling well, but on the whole I think I definitely prefer Haneda.

Narita the town, however, was excellent.

The temple there had some fabulous architecture.

321 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:54:01pm

re: #318 iossarian

I must have flown on a couple of flights with smoking sections well into the 80s. Smoking sections! What a joke. There was a little curtain to keep the smoke away from us healthier folk.

Wife and kids were trapped in a MAC flight from NYC to Aviano in 1989—blue air all the way.

322 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:54:14pm

re: #317 erik_t

It might actually be the humidity. Because the thing is composite and corrosion is a much smaller concern, they’re able to keep the relative humidity much higher in the 787, compared to other commercial aircraft.

Because it’s composite, they’re also able to keep the cabin pressure higher - I think the number is 8000ft instead of 10000ft. I’d need more test cases though before I can say for sure that it’s a real effect and not just a combination of other factors. :)

323 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:55:45pm

Yes, the New Yorker has an agenda.

They’re against stupidity.

324 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:56:51pm

Heh. Think I’m blocked by LOLGOP. Whatever.

325 Lancelot Link  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:57:07pm

re: #323 BongCrodny

Yes, the New Yorker has an agenda.

They’re against stupidity.

See? Partisan!

326 Gus  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:57:21pm

Bye.

327 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:57:22pm

I set up the toaster oven we got from my inlaws for Christmas today.

In the instructions:

Do not place on or near a hot gas or electric burner, or in a heated oven.

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 2:58:10pm

Downer about early aviation—my friend Rosie the Riveter will be buried Friday. She put together B29 spars at the Boeing plant in Wichita through the war. At her 90th B’day a few years ago all the women in 3 generations of her family dressed out in denim and bandanas.

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:00:15pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

Yes. It took me over 2 hours to get home today. Tomorrow is going to be a @$%^.

Looking out the window today while the snow was blowing around I told a co-worker that the non-stress that I was feeling was one of the paybacks for living close by with my expensive rent.

330 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:02:21pm
331 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:03:37pm

re: #278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And I bet every single one of the arm rests has an ashtray in it.

Were the air scrubbers really that good, or did people really hotbox their way across the continent in those days? I remember being on smoking flights, but I don’t actually remember whether anyone smoked or not.

Whenever a flight had a “smoking section” the entire aircraft became a smoking section.

It sucked.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:04:34pm

re: #320 klys

It would be pretty awesome!

Narita actually disappointed me a lot as an airport. I guess I was just expecting more, but it didn’t deliver. Of course, I was peeved about the whole checkin mess and not feeling well, but on the whole I think I definitely prefer Haneda.

Narita the town, however, was excellent.

The temple there had some fabulous architecture.

That’s part of their giant monster deflection system, isn’t it?
;)

333 Mattand  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:04:49pm

I absolutely detest flying, mainly because it brings out the worst in some people. Like “Trample a pregnant woman on Black Friday at Walmart” worst.

334 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:05:22pm

re: #275 Gus

People are always waxing poetic about the early days of airline flying. They talk about the leg room. The service. The elegance. They always leave the part out about it used to cost an arm and a leg and that only the very wealthy used to fly at first.

Flying on a “student” fare and standby was very cheap.

335 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:05:42pm

Former Gov. Bob McDonnell, wife charged in gift scandal

wtvr.com

RICHMOND, Va. (WTVR) - Less than two weeks after leaving the governor’s mansion in Richmond, former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife have been indicted in connection to their relationship with political donor Jonnie Williams Sr.

“The former governor was indicted on 13 counts including Honest-Services Wire Fraud, Obtaining Property under Color of Official Right and making False Statement.

“Former First Lady Maureen McDonnell was indicted on similar charges plus Obstruction of Official Proceedings. The McDonnells’ are summoned to appear in court for a bond hearing on Friday, at 10 a.m.”

McDonnell is supposed to give a statement tonight, but from what I’ve read about the investigation, they are toast, if there is any justice at all.

336 Mattand  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:08:21pm

re: #330 Kragar

Ya know, when you’re too much of a sleaze bag for even Rick Scott, you’ve made some serious mistakes in your life.

337 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:09:00pm

re: #334 Pie-onist Overlord

Flying on a “student” fare and standby was very cheap.

In the early 60’s my starving friends could catch Icelandic Airways Constellations (4 props) for 49 bucks NYC-Europe. A stayover in Rekyiavik was required.

338 Mattand  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:09:20pm

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

Former Gov. Bob McDonnell, wife charged in gift scandal

wtvr.com

RICHMOND, Va. (WTVR) - Less than two weeks after leaving the governor’s mansion in Richmond, former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife have been indicted in connection to their relationship with political donor Jonnie Williams Sr.

“The former governor was indicted on 13 counts including Honest-Services Wire Fraud, Obtaining Property under Color of Official Right and making False Statement.

“Former First Lady Maureen McDonnell was indicted on similar charges plus Obstruction of Official Proceedings. The McDonnells’ are summoned to appear in court for a bond hearing on Friday, at 10 a.m.”

McDonnell is supposed to give a statement tonight, but from what I’ve read about the investigation, they are toast, if there is any justice at all.

I hope Governor Christie and his entourage are watching this very closely.

339 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:09:58pm

re: #336 Mattand

Ya know, when you’re too much of a sleaze bag for even Rick Scott, you’ve made some serious mistakes in your life.

Still laughing at the “THEY KILLED BENEDICT ARNOLD!” derp.

340 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:12:50pm

re: #330 Kragar

“It was not a threat,” Black told the Times, asserting that the comments were a response to Obama ordering drone strikes that had killed Americans.

No, not a threat AT ALL…

What a dumbass.

341 freetoken  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:14:24pm

Just a reminder: John Hawks MOOC on human evolution is starting:
class.coursera.org

Worth the effort.

342 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:15:53pm

re: #338 Mattand

I hope Governor Christie and his entourage are watching this very closely.

Well, he managed to avoid close scrutiny and any charges while he was in office. The only person to report about on this scandal with any regularity was Rachel Maddow.

343 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:17:37pm

HURR HURR!!!11!!!1

344 Kid A  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:18:14pm

Is anyone here familiar with the Trans-Pacific Partnership that Obama is trying to get passed? I see a lot on the left are quite unhappy, as well as some on the right. The fact that Fixed has not uttered a peep about it leads me to believe it’s a corporate scam.

345 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:19:00pm

re: #343 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!11!!!1

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I thought we only capitalized “he” if it a) came at the beginning of a sentence or b) it referred to God, assuming you follow that religion.

Does that mean Dim Jim thinks Abbott is God?

346 Kid A  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:20:39pm

re: #343 Pie-onist Overlord

347 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:21:00pm

Wendy Davis pushes back against smears

We’re not surprised by Greg Abbott’s campaign attacks on the personal story of my life as a single mother who worked hard to get ahead. But they won’t work, because my story is the story of millions of Texas women who know the strength it takes when you’re young, alone and a mother.

I’ve always been open about my life not because my story is unique, but because it isn’t.

The truth is that at age 19, I was a teenage mother living alone with my daughter in a trailer and struggling to keep us afloat on my way to a divorce. And I knew then that I was going to have to work my way up and out of that life if I was going to give my daughter a better life and a better future and that’s what I’ve done. I am proud of where I came from and I am proud of what I’ve been able to achieve through hard work and perseverance. And I guarantee you that anyone who tries to say otherwise hasn’t walked a day in my shoes.

That’s one classy response, right there. Very steady, very measured, and placing a boot square in Abbott’s ass. Good for her.

348 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:22:35pm

Shield your eyes!

349 jaunte  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:22:56pm

re: #348 darthstar

Splinter camo!

350 Mattand  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:22:57pm

re: #342 blueraven

Well, he managed to avoid close scrutiny and any charges while he was in office. The only person to report about on this scandal with any regularity was Rachel Maddow.

To be fair, the Bergen Record and (I can’t believe I’m saying this) the Wall Street Journal had this on the print end. But yeah, Maddow was definitely the first on the TV machine to go after this.

In support of your point, chances are I would have never heard of this due to the fact I’m in South Jersey. For such a small state, there really is a big divide between the two regions. Much of that is due to the influence of the two big ass cities at either end of Jersey.

351 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:24:24pm
352 Kid A  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:24:24pm
353 freetoken  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:24:51pm

re: #348 darthstar

Curling… part of the Olympics… but wrestling is out.

This is our modern world.

354 Mattand  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:26:57pm

re: #353 freetoken

Curling… part of the Olympics… but wrestling is out.

This is our modern world.

If teams wrestled in those curling uniforms, I’d actually watch the Olympics.

And by “actually watch”, I mean “Not really, just trying to be polite.”

355 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:33:50pm

re: #354 Mattand

If teams wrestled in those curling uniforms, I’d actually watch the Olympics.

And by “actually watch”, I mean “Not really, just trying to be polite.”

I’d say I was boycotting the Olympics, but that would imply I had an interest in them before.

356 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:34:15pm

re: #351 darthstar

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re: #351 darthstar

That guy must have been talking with the dudebros. What American citizens? I haven’t seen any drones doing that in the US.

“It was not a threat,” said Black, insisting that his tweet - “I’m past impeachment. It’s time to arrest and hang him high” - was merely expressing outrage over the president killing U.S. citizens with drone attacks and without due process.”

WTF? Not a threat? You said it, didn’t you? Stop trying to backpedal your own words.

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:37:41pm
358 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:38:32pm

re: #352 Kid A

[Embedded content]

The RWNJs will get away with it. At least in their own circles.

No ethics whatsoever.

They are going to go too far and slander or libel her. I hope she sues.

359 klys  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:39:37pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Whoops, did we forget to mention this? Our bad.

///

360 Kragar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:40:00pm

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

The RWNJs will get away with it. At least in their own circles.

No ethics whatsoever.

They are going to go too far and slander or libel her. I hope she sues.

They’re going too far way too fast and its going to come back to haunt them.

361 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:40:01pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

362 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:45:00pm

Prosecutor: Ex-engineer for Department of Defense contractor is indicted for attempting to send details on US F-35 program to Iran - @Reuters
end of bulletin

He should have gone to Russia w/Snowden?

363 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:45:19pm
364 darthstar  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 3:59:05pm

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

When Rick Scott calls for you to step down, you know you’ve gone too far.

365 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 4:03:13pm

re: #359 klys

Whoops, did we forget to mention this? Our bad.

///

But we are coming forward with this information days after declaring bankruptcy, because we’re good guys. Really. No, really Stop laughing.

366 blueraven  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 4:20:10pm

re: #350 Mattand

To be fair, the Bergen Record and (I can’t believe I’m saying this) the Wall Street Journal had this on the print end. But yeah, Maddow was definitely the first on the TV machine to go after this.

In support of your point, chances are I would have never heard of this due to the fact I’m in South Jersey. For such a small state, there really is a big divide between the two regions. Much of that is due to the influence of the two big ass cities at either end of Jersey.

I was speaking about the former Governor of Virginia, not Christie. But I can see that wasn’t really very clear in my post.

367 Joanne  Wed, Jan 22, 2014 8:43:30am

re: #250 wrenchwench

I believe that. It looks fake. Too much space up front, for one.

Did airplanes ever have no seatbelts?

368 Joanne  Wed, Jan 22, 2014 8:47:58am

re: #278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

And I bet every single one of the arm rests has an ashtray in it.

Were the air scrubbers really that good, or did people really hotbox their way across the continent in those days? I remember being on smoking flights, but I don’t actually remember whether anyone smoked or not.

I smoked in airplanes when it was allowed. I never quite got it, though…it wasn’t like the smoke stayed in the smoking section.

369 Detroit  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 5:59:31am

James Melton: Detroit is not the dystopian wasteland of Brooks Patterson’s nightmares blogs.detroitnews.com


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