Dumbest Man on Internet Falls for Long-Debunked Fake, Doubles Down

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This stupid, obviously faked “foreign student ID card” for Barack Obama has been debunked for years, but continues to circulate in the Birther dungeons of the far right — and no dungeon is deeper, darker, or dumber than the place where Mr. Jim Hoft hangs his very small hat: Making the Rounds: Barry Soetoro’s Columbia University School ID | the Gateway Pundit.

This picture is making the rounds on the internet today.

Young Barry Soetoro at Columbia University.

Hmm.

It’s so hard keeping up with this guy’s story.

One day he’s telling everybody he’s from Kenya.

Even writing it in a book:

Then you find out he’s Indonesian.

It’s all so confusing.

UPDATE: The ID is a fake. The book bio was reportedly a “mistake by the publisher.”

But wait — the estimable Mr. Hoft isn’t finished being an idiot yet! A new update passes on the views of his deranged Birther co-host, Mara Zebest:

UPDATE: More from Mara Zebest:

The bio is NOT fake NOR is it a MISTAKE. Whenever a book is published… the AUTHORS WRITE THEIR OWN BIO and present the bio to the publisher.

From there the bio (like everything else in the book) goes through extensive editors for grammatical errors and general reviews.

Next, the bio (or sometimes referred to as the front matter and back matter) are sent back to the author for what is termed an AR (Author Review) in which the author approves the final text statements (especially if there are suggested changes). Only after several eyes review everything and the author gives his/her stamp of approval — is all the book material then sent to production.

Production puts together a pre-press version of the book and guess what? The pre-press version often goes back out to the editors and the author to make sure no mistakes are present before the book goes to press.

So for Obama to claim that he knew nothing about his bio and to additionally claim that the bio information was a mistake is completely absurd.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the winner of the right wing’s Accuracy in Media award.

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418 comments
1 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:16:20pm

Even Freep threw up all over this BS on their thread a few days ago.

2 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:18:09pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the winner of the right wing’s Accuracy in Media award.

Well, in Bizarro RWNJ land, words mean just the opposite of the real world. Like “Small Government” means “Telling women exactly how they will manage their bodies” and “Freedom of Religion” means that “Christian (and I guess Jews) can worship the way they want, but not those brown religions ‘cuz they make Jesus sad”

RBS

3 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:20:22pm

No way. Again?

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:25:03pm

re: #3 Gus

No way. Again?

The torture never stops.

5 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:25:50pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The torture never stops.

I almost had to rub my eyes!

6 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:27:35pm

How it looks to me.

8 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:45:17pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

flies all green an’ buzzin’…

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:51:17pm

How much longer till Jim Hoft collapses into a wingularity of complete stupidity?

10 Ming  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:51:27pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Riots in Kiev continues: protesters seize three policemen, one of them stabbed

I really feel for the people of Ukraine. At least for those who want to be free of Russia. This will be quite a story to follow.

11 Ming  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:53:39pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

How much longer till Jim Hoft collapses into a wingularity of complete stupidity?

Wingularity! You’ve coined a great word. It can be taken as “wingnut + singularity” or “wingnut + hilarity”, depending on the mood.

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:54:38pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Riots in Kiev continues: protesters seize three policemen, one of them stabbed

I’m not sure Voice of Russia is a credible source. It’s got a ‘KGB/UFO story’, which is a sign to me its full of shit, as is a ‘story’ about British Intelligence trying to track down that little shit Snowden in Russia.

13 jaunte  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:55:10pm

re: #6 Gus

A nicely aged meme. Oaky, with a hint of addlepate.

14 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 7:58:37pm

re: #11 Ming

Wingularity! You’ve coined a great word. It can be taken as “wingnut + singularity” or “wingnut + hilarity”, depending on the mood.

Sorry, I did not coin the word. Someone else did. I think it was iceweasel, but I may be wrong.

15 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:02:45pm

re: #13 jaunte

A nicely aged meme. Oaky, with a hint of addlepate.

100 years from now in The Museum of Stupid.

16 majii  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:02:50pm

Birthers will be birthers. They never give up no matter the amount of truth they’re confronted with. As for Hoft, I think that as long as there’s a way he thinks he can make a buck, he’ll use it.

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:05:14pm

re: #15 Gus

100 years from now in The Museum of Stupid.

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

18 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:06:19pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

I’m not sure Voice of Russia is a credible source. It’s got a ‘KGB/UFO story’, which is a sign to me its full of shit, as is a ‘story’ about British Intelligence trying to track down that little shit Snowden in Russia.

Yeah, they are definitely pushing the Russian point of view….

The Ukrainian Interior Ministry said in a special statement that “despite prolonged negotiations between the opposition and the authorities, as well as preliminary truce agreements, some radical forces beyond the protest leaders’ control have resumed attempts to provoke police into using force.”

Interior Minister Vitaly Zakharchenko told the public and Interior Ministry personnel that the police were prepared for a peace settlement of the conflict on the condition the previously concluded agreements were observed.

“These calls fell on the rioters’ deaf ears,” the Interior Ministry said.

The Ukrainian Interior Ministry has warned Radical Party leader Oleg Lyashko, a member of the national parliament, he may be indicted on criminal charges for uttering threats against law enforcement officials.


“Murder or violence threats against police, as well as their relatives, somehow related to performing official duties is punishable as a criminal offence,” the Interior Ministry said.

I have seen a few reports of police being shot, I’d take everything out of Ukraine with a grain of salt.

19 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:06:32pm

See just like Hitler, they both enacted programs!

20 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:07:12pm

re: #10 Ming

I really feel for the people of Ukraine. At least for those who want to be free of Russia. This will be quite a story to follow.

It’s always fascinating watching history happen, I wish them the best.

21 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:07:13pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

Cleveland?

22 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:07:37pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

Hey Dark_Falcon,

Hope the interview went well for you today.

23 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:11:22pm

re: #22 Usually refered to as anyways

Hey Dark_Falcon,

Hope the interview went well for you today.

No, it didn’t. The job wasn’t a good fit. But I had two other interviews this week for jobs I would be good at and I’ll know early next week if I’ll get a second interview for either.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:13:58pm

Evening lizards!

I just realized The Devils are playing the Preds next Friday. I have one week to find tickets.

25 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:14:55pm

I’ve said good things about Turnbull Manufacturing in the past. But that was before their newest special addition M1911. It has grips made out of giraffe bone, and that drops Turnbull’s stock with me. Shame on them, trying to profit from someone hunting Floral’s family.

/Kidding about that last a bit, but I really do find the use of giraffe bone seriously distasteful.

26 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:17:32pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards!

I just realized The Devils are playing the Preds next Friday. I have one week to find tickets.

That’s a pretty good matchup. I hope you can get to the game. You guys won tonight, also, 2-1 over the Capitols.

27 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:17:57pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know what either of those things are.

28 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:19:11pm

My employer switched to UHC health insurance last year. After trying to use their website to submit a measly $157 claim, I never want to hear another peep about healthcare.gov again. Ever.

On the fucking UHC website, EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to log in, it doesn’t recognize my username/password. So I go through their password reset routine, and it finally lets me in. I go through the bullshit they require to file the claim, and upon clicking “submit”, it times out. EVERY TIME.

I come back later, and suddenly it doesn’t recognize my password again. But resetting it works. Again.

Call them up and speak to someone who obviously hates himself and wants to die. He tells me to go to the website. I explain that the website doesn’t work. He assumes I’m a computer-illiterate idiot, which is a reasonable assumption because 90% of people are. I empathize with his position at this point. I don’t bother trying to explain that I actually know what the fuck I’m doing when it comes to computers, because 99% of computer-illiterate idiots also fraudulently claim to know what the fuck they’re doing.

As an alternative, he suggests that I FAX my materials.

Fax. In the year 2014. Fax.

Failing that, I could mail it.

herp derp, greatest healthcare system in the world, derpa flerp.

The real pisser is the fact that the only reason I went to the doctor in the first place is because they wouldn’t refill my thyroid prescription without an office visit. I waited 20 minutes (as the only person in the waiting room) and talked to a nurse for 5 minutes. Then I waited another 20 minutes to talk to the actual doctor, whom I told nothing more or less than exactly what I just told the nurse, for another 5 minutes. $157, please.

29 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:21:31pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

On the proposed site of the Ark Encounter Park in Kentucky. The ark won’t be there, after all.

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:22:40pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

Florida. Got to be Florida.

31 Kragar  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:23:43pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

Florida. Got to be Florida.

Louisiana

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:26:13pm

America, where even the Doctors have sales quotas…

Hospital chain inflated bills, pressured doctors into generating admissions

There are many accusations of money-grubbing in the health care industry. Most of them are subtle: a preferred medication here, a handshake behind closed doors there. But actually hanging a chart on the wall and proudly color-coding your ER doctors like car salesmen based on how high their admission rates are? That’s about as in-your-face as the pursuit of profit gets.

The lawsuits, joined by the Justice Department this month, accuse Health Management Associates of using “sophisticated software systems, financial incentives and threats” to pressure doctors to comply with their policies. Those policies, which came from the CEO’s office and rolled all the way down, were aimed at milking as much money as possible out of Medicare and Medicaid.

Call a temperature of 98.7 high enough to admit a baby for having a fever? Sure! Aim to admit more than 50% of all ER patients over age 65? Absolutely! Make a teenager who just needs some stitches in the knee stay overnight? Now you’re cooking!

Not only does the hospital chain apparently have a clear record of such deliberately excessive patient care, but also HMA has a history of firing the managers and executives who questioned or objected to the policies.

33 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:26:15pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

As if there’s any other place besides Texas.

34 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:26:30pm

re: #28 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I never want to hear another peep about healthcare.gov again. Ever.

I actually went and finally signed up this week. The website was actually pretty fucking amazing when I did it, found a pretty good plan that was easily within my price range and covers pretty much anything I would need at this point in my life.

35 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:28:21pm

re: #33 BongCrodny

As if there’s any other place besides Texas.

…in fact, I nominate Texas’s First Congressional District.

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:28:38pm

re: #27 Zamb

I don’t know what either of those things are.

The New Jersey Devils are NJDHF’s favorite team, currently in 5th place with 55 points in the NHL Eastern Conference’s Metropolitan Division. The Nashville Predators are part of the Western Conference’s Central Division, currently in 6th place there with 53 points.

Despite the two point difference, the Devil have a much better shot at making the playoffs because only 4 points separate them from tied-for-4th in the East Montreal and Toronto. By contrast, the 4th place team in the Western Conference is San Jose with 72 points.

37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:29:51pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

Florida. Got to be Florida.

How about Orlando? There’s plenty of tourist traps there.

38 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:31:25pm

With each trip into derpitude, they just get more hilarious.

You can’t make this level of stupid up.

39 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:31:29pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

No, it didn’t. The job wasn’t a good fit. But I had two other interviews this week for jobs I would be good at and I’ll know early next week if I’ll get a second interview for either.

Fingers crossed for you…

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:31:44pm
41 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:31:49pm
42 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:34:29pm

That’s a banjo.

43 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:34:37pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

So it’s hockey, that definitely explains why I didn’t know. Never followed the sport despite the number of friends I have that love it and used to play.

44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:35:15pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

District 1 of Texas, which is in the eastern-most “piney woods” area of the state, just on the border of Louisiana. This is the region that elected Louie Gohmert with 71% of the vote.

Immediately south of District 1 is District 36, which elected Steve Stockman.

I understand that reasonable people don’t like to generalize about people just based on where they live, but in the case of east Texas, it’s entirely reasonable and rational to make these generalizations.

45 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:35:36pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

Askew, Mississippi

46 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:37:24pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The torture never stops.

Think you could put in a Zappa reference and not get called out on it?

“a sinister midget, with a bucket and a mop, the blood goes down the drains”

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:37:35pm

re: #42 Gus

That’s a banjo.

Then where’s the Swedish Chef?

48 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:38:40pm

re: #44 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

71% These must be the people who created the image I posted above.

49 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:38:45pm

re: #43 Zamb

So it’s hockey, that definitely explains why I didn’t know. Never followed the sport despite the number of friends I have that love it and used to play.

It’s hard to become a fan by only watching it on TV. You have to go to a game first, then you’re hooked.

50 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:39:31pm

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

l went to plenty my freshman year of college, just never stuck with me.

51 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:40:29pm

re: #46 Egregious Philbin

and it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, and weepin’ greenish drops.

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:43:56pm

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

It’s hard to become a fan by only watching it on TV. You have to go to a game first, then you’re hooked.

And I might be wrong about that ‘good match’ line, because in their first meeting this season the Devil handed the Predators their asses, 5-0. Of course, New Jersey did lose both of its games this year to the Central Division leading Chicago Blackhawks, but with 76 points the defending Stanley Cup champs have more points than any Eastern Conference team. Only Anaheim has more at 81.

53 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:44:18pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

re: #21 Gus

Cleveland?

Las Vegas.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:44:37pm

re: #50 Zamb

l went to plenty my freshman year of college, just never stuck with me.

I guess it’s not for everyone. I’m watching the end of the Pred/Flames game. It’s in a shootout.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:45:43pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

And I might be wrong about that ‘good match’ line, because in their first meeting this season the Devil handed the Predators their asses, 5-0. Of course, New Jersey did lose both of its games this year to the Central Division leading Chicago Blackhawks, but with 76 points the defending Stanley Cup champs have more points than any Eastern Conference team. Only Anaheim has more at 81.

They both have the same number of points. I believe it’s like 53 if I remember correctly. Should be a good game.

56 Kragar  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:46:06pm

Got two Greenwaldians yabbering at me on Twitter

57 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:46:24pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan

Yea I have nothing against it, a ton of my friends are fans, I just never took to it.

58 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:46:46pm

Title: The god of their idolatry — sacrifice offerings to the gasolene [sic] chuggernaut / Albert Levering.
Creator(s): Levering, Albert, 1869-1929, artist
Date Created/Published: N.Y. : Published by Keppler & Schwarzmann, Puck Building, 1910 June 8.
Medium: 1 photomechanical print : offset, color.
Summary: Illustration shows an enormous automobile and driver in the middle of a rural landscape among a crowd of people who have brought many things of value to them that they are offering to this new god of mobility. There is a path of destruction in the wake of the automobile, which is depicted beneath a black sky.
Reproduction Number: LC-DIG-ppmsca-27639 (digital file from original print)
Rights Advisory: No known restrictions on publication.
Call Number: Illus. in AP101.P7 1910 (Case X) [P&P]
Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA hdl.loc.gov

59 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:47:16pm

And elsewhere in sports…

I’m a Knicks fan, and it’s been a complete nightmare of a season so far. Tonight, Carmelo Anthony made it feel a little better by going for 62 points, surpassing Bernard King’s MSG record (60) and Kobe Bryant’s career high at MSG (61) in the process.

It’s been a bleak season, but this was definitely a rare bright spot. Man, what a performance.

60 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:48:10pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

The New Jersey Devils are NJDHF’s favorite team, currently in 5th place with 55 points in the NHL Eastern Conference’s Metropolitan Division. The Nashville Predators are part of the Western Conference’s Central Division, currently in 6th place there with 53 points.

Despite the two point difference, the Devil have a much better shot at making the playoffs because only 4 points separate them from tied-for-4th in the East Montreal and Toronto. By contrast, the 4th place team in the Western Conference is San Jose with 72 points.

Blue Jackets fan keeping an eye on all this. We have to keep rolling.

61 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:49:19pm
62 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:50:07pm

re: #57 Zamb

Yea I have nothing against it, a ton of my friends are fans, I just never took to it.

Same with me and basketball. Pro that is, I like college basketball but NBA doesn’t do anything for me. I’ve tried and tried but I cant get into it.

63 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:50:09pm

I think that the Nashville based Lizards should get together once the spring gets here, take in a Sounds game (that’s our AAA baseball team, it’s the top minor league team for the Milwaukee Brewers)

It’s a great time, and cheap as can be.

RBS

64 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:50:38pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

HMA has locations mostly in the southeastern US, save for WA, WV and PA.

hma.com

65 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:50:58pm

We’ve seen a lot of Republican state and federal legislators say dumb things this week, but EPIC FAILS are the monopoly of neither party. With that fact in mind, sit back and watch as anti-gun California state senator Kevin De Leon falls off the top of the Stupid Tree and hits every branch on the way down:

Youtube Video

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:51:05pm

I’m still perplexed at why Detroit AND Columbus were moved into the East. Why go with a 16/14 split when you can do an even 15/15?

67 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:51:08pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I did not coin the word. Someone else did. I think it was iceweasel, but I may be wrong.

It’s claimed that it first appeared in a comment at Balloon Juice in 2009.

68 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:51:26pm

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

Hell I played basketball in high school, I still can’t bring myself to care about the NBA. College on the other hand I love.

69 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:52:33pm

re: #63 RealityBasedSteve

I think that the Nashville based Lizards should get together once the spring gets here, take in a Sounds game (that’s our AAA baseball team, it’s the top minor league team for the Milwaukee Brewers)

It’s a great time, and cheap as can be.

RBS

I’ve heard a lot of good things about that team. Everyone says it’s a really fun time. I’m game.

70 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:52:46pm

re: #33 BongCrodny

As if there’s any other place besides Texas.

That was my first thought, but let me also suggest we consider Wasilla, Alaska.

71 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:53:31pm

Title: The “reds” and the “yellows”
Date Created/Published: N.Y. : J. Ottmann Lith. Co., Puck Bldg., 1901 October 2.
Medium: 1 print : chromolithograph.
Summary: Illustration shows Puck pointing at two men and tugging at the robe of Justice who is raising the blindfold from over her eyes and giving a stern look at the men, one a ruffian holding a bomb and a red flag labeled “Anarchy” and the other a well-dressed editor or journalist holding a yellow flag labeled “Yellow Journalism” and newspaper sheets labeled “Incendiary editorials ‘The president is the creature of the Trusts’” and “Assassination is the only remedy”, and he carries a satchel with sheets labeled “Seditious Editorials.” The ground is strewn with newspaper sheets covered with quotes that condemn President McKinley.
Reproduction Number: LC-DIG-ppmsca-25569 (digital file from original print)
Rights Advisory: No known restrictions on publication.
Call Number: Illus. in AP101.P7 1901 (Case X) [P&P]
Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA hdl.loc.gov

72 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:54:13pm

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

It’s hard to become a fan by only watching it on TV. You have to go to a game first, then you’re hooked.

That, and even by TV, I got to thinking how hard they play, bang into each other along the boards and open ice, fly around full go for a minute or two and then do it all again. Then play sometimes 3 games a week with a back-to-back in there too. I figured these guys are tougher than football players and then the skill to do what they do with the stick and puck…and I was sold.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:54:30pm

This is another reason I’m glad I moved here, NFL, NHL, and AAA baseball games are all just a half hour away.

74 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:55:49pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still perplexed at why Detroit AND Columbus were moved into the East. Why go with a 16/14 split when you can do an even 15/15?

Because they didn’t want one of those teams to be the only team in the Eastern time zone that played in the Western Conference. While the split in uneven, it puts all the Eastern teams in the same time zone and makes things easier for them and their fans.

It also puts Winnipeg in the Central Division of the Western Conference which is a lot easier for that team. So the swap worked out decently for Canada.

75 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 8:59:06pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

That, and even by TV, I got to thinking how hard they play, bang into each other along the boards and open ice, fly around full go for a minute or two and then do it all again. Then play sometimes 3 games a week with a back-to-back in there too. I figured these guys are tougher than football players and then the skill to do what they do with the stick and pick…and I was sold.

The first time I went to a game I was awestruck by how great they could skate on the ice. I mean they can fly down the ice, stop immediately then skate backwards with such ease. Right before I went to that game I went to Rockefeller Center with my girlfriend and went ice skating for the first time. It was ugly.

76 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:01:26pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still perplexed at why Detroit AND Columbus were moved into the East. Why go with a 16/14 split when you can do an even 15/15?

I think the close triangle of potential rivals between Columbus, Detroit and Pittsburgh had something to do with it. 3 hours away both ways for Columbus to Detroit and to Pittsburgh. I know the flight time to all those West coast games killed the team sometimes and the fact the CBJ fans would have games at 10 PM from the west coast and that hurt TV. So, business. All business.

77 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:02:55pm

re: #63 RealityBasedSteve

I think that the Nashville based Lizards should get together once the spring gets here, take in a Sounds game (that’s our AAA baseball team, it’s the top minor league team for the Milwaukee Brewers)

It’s a great time, and cheap as can be.

RBS

We’ve got an Atlantic League team, the LI Ducks, right up the street from me. We’ve gone to a few games and had a lot of fun. And way cheaper than going to see the big boys around here.

The last big league game I went to was the Mets’ last game before the strike. It rained for two hours, and a pitcher named Anthony Young set the MLB record for consecutive losses (27).

78 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:03:45pm
79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:09:11pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

We’ve seen a lot of Republican state and federal legislators say dumb things this week, but EPIC FAILS are the monopoly of neither party. With that fact in mind, sit back and watch as anti-gun California state senator Kevin De Leon falls off the top of the Stupid Tree and hits every branch on the way down:

[Embedded content]

Aero Precision found state sen. De Leon’s bit of unintentional comedy such a laugh that they’re going to do a limited run of ‘Ghost Gun’ AR-15 lower receivers, complete with a 3rd position marker for those who plan to add one of the new TacCon-3MR triggers.

Check out the prototype.

80 ObserverArt  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:09:39pm

re: #78 Gus

“Follow the Flag” - W.D. Goldbeck (1914)

Some of those old illustrators were pretty damn good. I’m sure many of them were also damn good painters, but the covers paid the rent.

And with that…good evening, let’s see how much blowing snow morning brings. Brrr!

81 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:10:21pm

I know this is being reported by RT…but if true it doesn’t sound good.

82 geoffm33  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:10:38pm
83 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:10:58pm

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve heard a lot of good things about that team. Everyone says it’s a really fun time. I’m game.

It’s actually pretty good baseball, and since they are just 1 step away from the big money they really hustle and run out a routine fly. The thing that you don’t see on TV is just how fast that ball, when hit, is going to the outfield and how much it’s hooking or slicing one way or another.

RBS

84 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:12:24pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I know this is being reported by RT…but if true it doesn’t sound good.

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I call “Bullshit!”

85 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:14:35pm

re: #82 geoffm33

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Title: The awakening / Hy Mayer.
Creator(s): Mayer, Henry, 1868-1954, artist
Date Created/Published: New York : Published by Puck Publishing Corporation, 295-309 Lafayette Street, 1915 February 20.
Medium: 1 photomechanical print (2 pages) : offset, color.
Summary: Illustration shows a torch-bearing female labeled “Votes for Women”, symbolizing the awakening of the nation’s women to the desire for suffrage, striding across the western states, where women already had the right to vote, toward the east where women are reaching out to her. Printed below the cartoon is a poem by Alice Duer Miller.
Reproduction Number: LC-USZC2-1206 (color film copy slide)
Rights Advisory: No known restrictions on publication.
Call Number: Illus. in AP101.P7 1915 (Case X) [P&P]
Repository: Library of Congress Prints and Photographs Division Washington, D.C. 20540 USA hdl.loc.gov

86 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:14:51pm

re: #83 RealityBasedSteve

It’s actually pretty good baseball, and since they are just 1 step away from the big money they really hustle and run out a routine fly. The thing that you don’t see on TV is just how fast that ball, when hit, is going to the outfield and how much it’s hooking or slicing one way or another.

RBS

I used to go to Shea Stadium with a friend of mine all the time back in the 80s. I saw lots of Cubs games back then. We used to sit on the left field side and saw a lot of amazing baseball from there.

87 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:17:26pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

The first time I went to a game I was awestruck by how great they could skate on the ice. I mean they can fly down the ice, stop immediately then skate backwards with such ease. Right before I went to that game I went to Rockefeller Center with my girlfriend and went ice skating for the first time. It was ugly.

They start skating at about 3 years old.

88 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:17:35pm

We’re from the UN and we’re here to help!

That’s a bit flippant, I know, but the Mi-24 Hind has done good work for the UN in Africa. Most of that however, has come from the Hind being used in its classic task of smash rebels in the DRC with rockets, 12.7mm Gatling guns, and automatic cannon.

89 geoffm33  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:20:56pm

re: #85 Gus

Believe it or not but the suffrage conversation came up after watching Mary Poppins (song ‘Sister Suffragette’). Kid asks a lot of questions, good for her :)

90 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:22:40pm

re: #89 geoffm33

Believe it or not but the suffrage conversation came up after watching Mary Poppins (song ‘Sister Suffragette’). Kid asks a lot of questions, good for her :)

Was just coming across the topic myself while browsing Puck illustrations.

91 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:27:41pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

I used to go to Shea Stadium with a friend of mine all the time back in the 80s. I saw lots of Cubs games back then. We used to sit on the left field side and saw a lot of amazing baseball from there.

I always thought Shea was a terrible place to watch baseball.

Then I took in an Expos game at Olympic Stadium.

92 geoffm33  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:28:23pm

re: #90 Gus

She asked why women couldn’t vote. I told her that men were being silly and thought they knew everything so they didn’t think women should vote (language dumbed down for the 5yo but pretty accurate). She said ‘but mommy knows more than you’. I said ‘you’re making my point!’.

93 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:29:23pm

re: #91 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I always thought Shea was a terrible place to watch baseball.

Then I took in an Expos game at Olympic Stadium.

Shea wasn’t so bad. I always had a good time.

94 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:34:06pm

re: #92 geoffm33

She asked why women couldn’t vote. I told her that men were being silly and thought they knew everything so they didn’t think women should vote (language dumbed down for the 5yo but pretty accurate). She said ‘but mommy knows more than you’. I said ‘you’re making my point!’.

Wasn’t very long ago. Roughly 100 years ago in the US, UK… Mid 50s in Egypt.

95 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:34:21pm
96 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:35:47pm

re: #92 geoffm33

She asked why women couldn’t vote. I told her that men were being silly and thought they knew everything so they didn’t think women should vote (language dumbed down for the 5yo but pretty accurate). She said ‘but mommy knows more than you’. I said ‘you’re making my point!’.

Wise beyond her years. /grin

RBS

97 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:36:05pm
98 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:38:07pm
99 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:43:11pm

I found 2 live streams from Ukraine. Very troubling to watch.

100 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:43:59pm
101 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:44:58pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I know this is being reported by RT…but if true it doesn’t sound good.

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Heh. Interesting. My first guess would be there might be a protest at the embassy but it’s probably a) asking for US/EU support or b) pro government lackeys. I think b is unlikely, I haven’t seen any reports of pro-government counter protests.

102 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:46:32pm

Woman Suffrage (Misc. individual suffragettes). Miss Doris Stevens, youngest member of the national executive committee of the National Woman’s Party, was arrested and sentenced to 60 days at the Occoquan …

103 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:57:19pm

Very moving looking at these.

104 geoffm33  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:58:55pm

re: #96 RealityBasedSteve

While overtired the other day she broke down crying because her skin (white) wasn’t the same as her best friends. She’ll either be the most adjusted or maladjusted kid in her class. Not sure yet ;)

105 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 9:59:57pm

re: #104 geoffm33

While overtired the other day she broke down crying because her skin (white) wasn’t the same as her best friends. She’ll either be the most adjusted or maladjusted kid in her class. Not sure yet ;)

she sounds like a real sweetheart.

RBS

106 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:01:38pm

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

TOTALLY COULDN’T BE RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA OR ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT!

107 RealityBasedSteve  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:02:44pm

Nite all. This lizard needs to curl up and sleep. I’m going to post an absolutely horrible food item that I had posted downstairs, but people need to be warned about it.

Not In MY Kitchen…

RBS

108 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:02:47pm

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

109 geoffm33  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:04:13pm

re: #105 RealityBasedSteve

Sure is, thanks :)

I think post racial America exists. But the age limit for believing it is about 10 years old.

110 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:05:48pm
111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:07:38pm

re: #108 Gus

cue 250 years of debate over what was meant by the word “sex” in the “original text”.

112 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:07:43pm
113 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:09:36pm

re: #111 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

cue 250 years of debate over what was meant by the word “sex” in the “original text”.

Minor v. Happersett

Denied. Unanimous.
March 29, 1875

114 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:10:05pm

Probably a wise decision…

115 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:11:15pm

MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)

… Certainly, if the courts can consider any question settled, this is one. For nearly ninety years the people have acted upon the idea that the Constitution, when it conferred citizenship, did not necessarily confer the right of suffrage. If [88 U.S. 162, 178] uniform practice long continued can settle the construction of so important an instrument as the Constitution of the United States confessedly is, most certainly it has been done here. Our province is to decide what the law is, not to declare what it should be.

We have given this case the careful consideration its importance demands. If the law is wrong, it ought to be changed; but the power for that is not with us. The arguments addressed to us bearing upon such a view of the subject may perhaps be sufficient to induce those having the power, to make the alteration, but they ought not to be permitted to influence our judgment in determining the present rights of the parties now litigating before us. No argument as to woman’s need of suffrage can be considered. We can only act upon her rights as they exist. It is not for us to look at the hardship of withholding. Our duty is at an end if we find it is within the power of a State to withhold.

Being unanimously of the opinion that the Constitution of the United States does not confer the right of suffrage upon any one, and that the constitutions and laws of the several States which commit that important trust to men alone are not necessarily void, we

AFFIRM THE JUDGMENT.

116 The War TARDIS  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:11:37pm

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Seems a little late now.

117 Kragar  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:15:28pm

Ukraine protests are spreading into the East now

118 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:15:53pm

Wyoming was first before all of this.

December 10, 1869

119 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:17:24pm
120 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:18:32pm

re: #113 Gus

That can’t be right we all know the founders were perfect.

121 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:20:53pm

re: #117 Kragar

Ukraine protests are spreading into the East now

The Kiev truce fell apart. This looks to be a wild bloody day.

122 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:22:36pm

re: #120 Zamb

That can’t be right we all know the founders were perfect.

Right. If only. They did however provide a foundation for eventual effective change. It’s a matter of citizens standing up and taking action which is what the suffragettes did.

123 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:26:10pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

I hope nothing happens, but you may get some of that black widow action you mentioned after the Kenya attack. Olympics terror dragnet: Russia hunts as many as four ‘black widows’

There’s also this: Another militant threat to Winter Olympics emerges

Putin is a dick, but I don’t hate him so much that I want to see innocent people get killed over shit he’s done or simply to humiliate him.

As for the U.S. embassy, the latest from the BBC—25 January 2014 Last updated at 01:20 ET—says nothing about it, and I’d certainly take their word over RT: Ukraine crisis: Yanukovych ‘concessions’ fail to end unrest

Anyway, FWIW, there was mention a few days ago about the U.S. embassy in Ukraine revoking visas, but it was in support of the protesters, so I think it’s highly unlikely that they’d be rallying “against US meddling”:

The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine revoked the visas of a number of Ukrainians on Wednesday as a crackdown on opposition protesters turned deadly overnight.

The embassy said that under U.S. law it was not permitted to say whose visas it had revoked, but referred to “several Ukrainians who were linked to the violence.” But the U.S. has clearly aligned itself on the side of the protesters and against the actions of troops deployed by President Viktor Yanukovych. […]

worldnews.nbcnews.com

124 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:26:52pm

Originalists say the constitution never should have been changed, amended. Yet women were denied the right to under the 14th Amendment. But the 14th wasn’t even adopted until 1868 well after the original intent. The 19th finally adopted in 1920.

125 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:28:38pm

So even as a “living breathing document” with the 14th at that time the SCOTUS turned them down. It took the 19th amendment to grant women the right to vote. Many like myself would argue the 14th should have been good enough. I also include the right for gay marriage under the 14th. Yet women still needed the 19th. Where would this nation be without the 14th or the 19th?

126 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:29:35pm

“Sorry, I’m an originalist, motion denied.”

127 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:30:15pm

re: #124 Gus

It weirds me out that we really haven’t had the right to vote for all that long. I mean, it’s been less than 100 years… there are still people living who remember a time when American women had no such right.

128 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:30:21pm

“Too bad, we shouldn’t amend the constitution. That’s what the original founders intended. Sorry. Can’t help you. It’s up to the states.”

129 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:32:47pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

It weirds me out that we really haven’t had the right to vote for all that long. I mean, it’s been less than 100 years… there are still people living who remember a time when American women had no such right.

Yep. It really wasn’t that long ago. Don’t know any survivors now but my one grandfather was born in 1896. My ex-gfs grandfather in 1872. I met her father. He was a WWII vet. His dad was born in 1872! Know what I mean? It’s not that far away in time.

130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:33:00pm

re: #123 CuriousLurker

The “us meddling” thing could be from pro-government protesters. I was poking around in Soros conspiracies yesterday and stumbled across this from some “world Socialist” idiots: The Struggle for Ukraine - Protests Made in Germany, America and the EU
TLDR: Soros’s Open Society/pro-democracy work in the region is trying to prevent a socialist utopia with freedom and shit.

131 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:33:40pm

And I’m really not that old even though technically I qualify for AARP now. :D

132 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:37:09pm
133 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:37:36pm

re: #129 Gus

Yep. It really wasn’t that long ago. Don’t know any survivors now but my one grandfather was born in 1896. My ex-gfs grandfather in 1872. I met her father. He was a WWII vet. His dad was born in 1872! Know what I mean? It’s not that far away in time.

Yep. My dad, who was 18 years older than my mom, was born in 1919. My paternal grandma died before I was born, but she wouldn’t have had the right to vote until after she’d given birth to her 3rd child. O_o

That just blows my mind.

134 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:37:55pm

It seems the Ukranian Govt has been worried about Soros for a while now. This article from 2011: Leading party says Soros prepares “Libyan scenario” for Ukraine

­The head of the Party of Regions parliamentary faction Aleksandr Yefremov said in a televised comment on Wednesday that he had information that George Soros had allocated funds for the overthrow of the Ukrainian political authorities.

“I even have information that Soros has allocated certain funds in order to prepare a certain group of young boys here in Ukraine who could launch any existing projects based on the North Africa examples,” Yefremov said. He also added that he hoped that the Ukrainian people will be wise enough not to follow such provocations.

135 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:40:57pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

The “us meddling” thing could be from pro-government protesters. I was poking around in Soros conspiracies yesterday and stumbled across this from some “world Socialist” idiots: The Struggle for Ukraine - Protests Made in Germany, America and the EU
TLDR: Soros’s Open Society/pro-democracy work in the region is trying to prevent a socialist utopia with freedom and shit.

Yeah, I imagine there are all sorts of agitators, opportunists, and assorted grifters up to no good. I wish the protesters luck; they’re gonna need it.

136 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:41:28pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Yep. My dad, who was 18 years older than my mom, was born in 1919. My paternal grandma died before I was born, but she wouldn’t have had the right to vote until after she’d given birth to her 3rd child. O_o

That just blows my mind.

3rd child? Where at?

137 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:48:39pm

re: #136 Gus

3rd child? Where at?

They were living in Connecticut by then and she would’ve been around 30 years old by the time my dad came along.

138 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:50:29pm

re: #137 CuriousLurker

They were living in Connecticut by then and she would’ve been around 30 years old by the time my dad came along.

Ah. Must have been some strange law. “Thou shall not be able to vote until after the 3rd child and when is blowing from the east at 3 knots and after the lighthouse captain returns.” :D

139 freetoken  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:51:47pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

My paternal grandmother wouldn’t have had the right to vote until two days before her 6th child was born.

Makes one realize that the atavists around today really aren’t that far removed from our past. That’s what I think many young people don’t realize when looking at American politics - many of the powers that be in American polity are operating on the societal norms of their own parents, who lived at a time when women couldn’t vote and non-whites had to queue at separate fountains.

140 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:55:53pm

re: #122 Gus

No the founders hated change, it is a well known fact they only allowed for democracy because they were held captive by devilish liberals who, as we all know, control the world.

141 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:56:12pm

re: #139 freetoken

My paternal grandmother wouldn’t have had the right to vote until two days before her 6th child was born.

Makes one realize that the atavists around today really aren’t that far removed from our past. That’s what I think many young people don’t realize when looking at American politics - many of the powers that be in American polity are operating on the societal norms of their own parents, who lived at a time when women couldn’t vote and non-whites had to queue at separate fountains.

That’s one way of looking at it. Or we can look with pride to the suffragettes of the past, Virginia Louisa Minor, Susan B. Anthony, others who worked with them, their suffering and hard work was not in vein and eventually the passage of the 19th Amendment came and we could finally say that, yes, progress came.

142 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:57:02pm

re: #140 Zamb

No the founders hated change, it is a well known fact they only allowed for democracy because they were held captive by devilish liberals who, as we all know, control the world.

Yep. Thomas Jefferson and his demonic Koran. //

143 freetoken  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:57:12pm

Make that 13 days after her 6th child was born.

Add to that, 6 of my great grandparents were born while slavery was legal in parts of the US. Heck, one of them was a young man out sowing his oats at the time and may have had slaves himself (as his father definitely did.)

This is why change depends as much on the old generation literally dying off, compared to anything else.

144 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:58:52pm

re: #143 freetoken

Make that 13 days after her 6th child was born.

Add to that, 6 of my great grandparents were born while slavery was legal in parts of the US. Heck, one of them was a young man out sowing his oats at the time and may have had slaves himself (as his father definitely did.)

This is why change depends as much on the old generation literally dying off, compared to anything else.

Well, that “old generation” included the suffragettes and eventually the 19th Amendment.

145 Zamb  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 10:59:27pm

re: #125 Gus

I think Jefferson for all his flaws did advocate for a changing constitution to better reflect the values of future generations. As much as conservatives want to hump the tree of liberty and the blood it demands, he was looking to avoid that. If I remember right he even once advocated a new constitution every so many years to better serve the existing populace.

146 freetoken  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:00:30pm

re: #141 Gus

“Progress” is one of those things I don’t really know how to measure.

Regarding women, all over the world women are still second class citizens. It’s taken a lot of turnover to get the progress that has been seen so far, but I’d argue that a still significant fraction of women on this planet live in societies in which they really are not equal to men.

147 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:00:36pm

I’m not going to base my view of the past, our history, my ancestors, other’s ancestors, on a bunch of Tea Baggers. However wrong we once were.

148 Gus  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:02:17pm

re: #146 freetoken

“Progress” is one of those things I don’t really know how to measure.

Regarding women, all over the world women are still second class citizens. It’s taken a lot of turnover to get the progress that has been seen so far, but I’d argue that a still significant fraction of women on this planet live in societies in which they really are not equal to men.

We appear to be on different wave lengths.

149 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:06:23pm

Charles Johnson,

Jim Hoft’s ( gateway Pundit’s ) stupid continues to burn us all!

150 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:06:28pm

re: #138 Gus

Ah. Must have been some strange law. “Thou shall not be able to vote until after the 3rd child and when is blowing from the east at 3 knots and after the lighthouse captain returns.” :D

Oh, I see what you’re saying—LOL. I wasn’t clear that she was born circa 1888/1889, so she would’ve been around 31/32 when they got the right to vote. Here she is six years before the passage of the 19th Amendment:

Grandma circa 1914

I think my head’s gonna explode now.

151 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:34:41pm

re: #143 freetoken

Make that 13 days after her 6th child was born.

Add to that, 6 of my great grandparents were born while slavery was legal in parts of the US. Heck, one of them was a young man out sowing his oats at the time and may have had slaves himself (as his father definitely did.)

This is why change depends as much on the old generation literally dying off, compared to anything else.

Yeah, my paternal great-grandparents were both born before the Civil War, but they lived in NY & CT and never owned a slave. For that I’m thankful.

re: #148 Gus

We appear to be on different wave lengths.

The thread seems to be dead, so I’m going to drag my carcass off to bed now.

Nice photos, Gus. I’ll have to come back and look at them again tomorrow.

~~~~~~~*WHOOSH*~~~~~~~

Youtube Video

152 Origuy  Fri, Jan 24, 2014 11:36:48pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Pro-government demonstrators egged the US Embassy sign. It sounds like a diversion. I wouldn’t put it past the Ukrainian government to have agents provocateur in the anti-government demonstrations.

Follow #euromaidan on Twitter for up to the minute news from both sides. Shit’s gettin real.

153 freetoken  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:17:55am

re: #148 Gus

We appear to be on different wave lengths.

I’m just a glass-is-3/4th-empty kind of guy.

154 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 2:56:24am

re: #81 NJDhockeyfan

I know this is being reported by RT…but if true it doesn’t sound good.

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Yeah, it’s RT. I’ve saw another story elsewhere (Reddit?) that some are trying to gin up—that the demonstrations are a CIA operation.

Reddit is becoming Conspiracy Central.

155 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 3:05:14am
156 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 3:15:02am

Takeover of Vinnytsia Regional Council. Vinnytsia is in the south-central part of Ukraine and main base of Ukrainian air force.

Youtube Video

157 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 3:20:44am
158 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 3:21:31am
159 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:10:49am

re: #118 Gus

Wyoming was first before all of this.

December 10, 1869

Check out early New Jersey.

New Jersey in 1776 placed only one restriction on the general suffrage, which was the possession of at least £50 in cash or property (about $8,000 adjusted for inflation), with the election laws referring to the voters as “he or she.” In 1790, the law was revised to specifically include women, but in 1807 the law was again revised to exclude them, an unconstitutional act since the state constitution specifically made any such change dependent on the general suffrage.[5

en.wikipedia.org

160 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:20:38am

A very interesting assessment of politics in Ukraine.

“Strange Bedfellows” Emerge in Ukraine Protests

“Continuing protests in Ukraine, widely known as EuroMaidan, began in November 2013, when President Viktor Yanukovych suspended preparations for signing a European Union association agreement that would have eased the import of European products to Ukraine and set the stage for the relaxing of travel restrictions. The derailment of the deal came as a result of pressure from Russia, which supplies some 60 percent of Ukraine’s natural gas. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens took to the streets of Kiev and other large cities in rallies that at times turned into violent clashes with police. While these protests revolve around economic issues, the opposition activists also “oppose the authoritarianism that Russia represents, as well as its echoes at home: their own corrupt, oligarchic economy, their own murky security police”, said Anne Applebaum in her opinion piece in The Washington Post. One of the ironies of this protest movement is that it has pulled many young Ukrainian Jews into an odd coalition with the ultra-nationalist Svoboda party, drawing a wedge between younger and older generations in Ukraine’s Jewish community.”

Source: geocurrents.info

161 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:23:43am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Even Freep threw up all over this BS on their thread a few days ago.

Check out early New Jersey.

New Jersey in 1776 placed only one restriction on the general suffrage, which was the possession of at least £50 in cash or property (about $8,000 adjusted for inflation), with the election laws referring to the voters as “he or she.” In 1790, the law was revised to specifically include women, but in 1807 the law was again revised to exclude them, an unconstitutional act since the state constitution specifically made any such change dependent on the general suffrage.[5

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if the 1776 law resulted from the Quaker influence in “West Jersey,” which was part of Penn’s colony. The Quakers were more egalitarian than other groups.

162 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:32:17am

And now, an award-winning photo of the Tokyo skyline, taken by 40-year old British photographer Kevin Mulllins. Normally, he’s a wedding photographer, but he’s certainly got quite the eye for landscape photos as well.

Tokyo Skyline

163 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:32:41am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

I’ve kludged two different comments together—trying for the 4th time to get it right. It’s too early.

164 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:34:49am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder if the 1776 law resulted from the Quaker influence in “West Jersey,” which was part of Penn’s colony. The Quakers were more egalitarian than other groups.

Sounds reasonable, or perhaps they just got caught up in all that ‘liberty’ stuff.

165 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:34:57am

re: #163 Decatur Deb

I’ve kludged two different comments together—trying for the 4th time to get it right. It’s too early.

Needs moar coffee!

166 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:35:28am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder if the 1776 law resulted from the Quaker influence in “West Jersey,” which was part of Penn’s colony. The Quakers were more egalitarian than other groups.

I wonder if all those restrictions applied to Native Americans as well? When you look back on those colonialists, those “founders” of the Republic, from the perspective of modern liberal thought they were both bloody usurpers and reactionaries in their own right, of course. It all depends on your perspective.

167 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:39:01am

Heh. View this morning from the penthouse.

Guess what the big news is today here in Miami Beach.

168 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:39:36am

re: #166 Justanotherhuman

I wonder if all those restrictions applied to Native Americans as well? When you look back on those colonialists, those “founders” of the Republic, from the perspective of modern liberal thought they were both bloody usurpers and reactionaries in their own right, of course. It all depends on your perspective.

Their status as ‘nations’ really messed that up. Wiki says one California group did not get the right to vote until 1957.

en.wikipedia.org

169 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:41:36am

re: #167 Amory Blaine

Heh. View this morning from the penthouse.[Embedded image]

Guess what the big news is today here in Miami Beach.

Really nice photo! I’m going to share it with a landlocked friend.

I guess the big news in Miami is “warm and sunny … again.”

170 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:42:33am

re: #169 wheat-dogghazi

Ha! Yeah that, but the Biebs is leaving town. :p

171 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:44:36am

re: #170 Amory Blaine

Ha! Yeah that, but the Biebs is leaving town. :p

Well, good news for Florida. Bad news for whoever gets his punk ass.

172 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:49:12am

Anthros point to the constitution of the League of the Iroquois as a source document for the colonist’s development of our founding documents (except the matriarchy parts). In the 1960s one reservation straddling the US/Canadian border issued passports recognized by a few of our opponents, like Libya. They still do issue them, but they’re considered ‘novelties’.

en.wikipedia.org

173 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 4:54:41am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

I think Ben Franklin may have remarked on the democratic features of the Iroquois League, but I’m not sure of any definitive evidence he and others drew on those ideas for the Constitution.

174 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:01:02am

re: #173 wheat-dogghazi

I think Ben Franklin may have remarked on the democratic features of the Iroquois League, but I’m not sure of any definitive evidence he and others drew on those ideas for the Constitution.

Do you mean those weren’t real Indians throwing the tea in the harbor?

175 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:06:22am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Do you mean those weren’t real Indians throwing the tea in the harbor?

No. Germans. Later on, they bombed Pearl Harbor.

176 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:10:13am

re: #175 wheat-dogghazi

No. Germans. Later on, they bombed Pearl Harbor.

Think I’ll start a project to find a German naval attache with Yamamoto’s fleet.

177 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:12:18am

These updates from Ukraine are pretty current—like on the hour current.

kyivpost.com

178 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:19:06am

Hmm. Are the oligarchs sweating?

3:05 p.m., Jan. 25 — Ukraine’s richest billionaire Rinat Akhmetov’s System Capital Management issued a statement calling for a peaceful end to the political crisis. “Business can’t stand aside when people are dying on the streets. There is a real threat of partition. The political crisis could trigger an economic crisis and as a result, the inevitable decline in living standards. We would like to express deep condolences to the bereaved . There’s only one solution to this political crisis can be only one solution - peace. Any use of weapons is unacceptable. The only way out is to shift from a street confrontation to constructive negotiations. Negotiators should be guided by the interests of the whole country.” — Olena Goncharova

kyivpost.com

So—basically, he’s calling for protesters to put down any weapons and continue to be slaughtered at will by the Berkut? They are trying negotiations and coming up empty. “Street confrontations” covers a variety of acts, and most aren’t violent, such as public assemblies. Even takeovers of oblasts have been mainly peaceful if some were a bit messy.

179 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:25:08am

The Museum of Stupid should be on the site of Jim Hoft’s house. His bathroom could house the Library of Stupid.

My sister has fallen for this stupid ID story more than once. Even after I sent her the Snopes thing that showed the stupid photoshop. If you hate Obama enough I guess you’ll latch onto anything that confirms your hate. I just wish these freaking “patriots” loved America more than they hate the President and those terrible awful mean old liberals.

180 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:28:08am

re: #178 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. Are the oligarchs sweating?

3:05 p.m., Jan. 25 — Ukraine’s richest billionaire Rinat Akhmetov’s System Capital Management issued a statement calling for a peaceful end to the political crisis. “Business can’t stand aside when people are dying on the streets. There is a real threat of partition. The political crisis could trigger an economic crisis and as a result, the inevitable decline in living standards. We would like to express deep condolences to the bereaved . There’s only one solution to this political crisis can be only one solution - peace. Any use of weapons is unacceptable. The only way out is to shift from a street confrontation to constructive negotiations. Negotiators should be guided by the interests of the whole country.” — Olena Goncharova

kyivpost.com

So—basically, he’s calling for protesters to put down any weapons and continue to be slaughtered at will by the Berkut? They are trying negotiations and coming up empty. “Street confrontations” covers a variety of acts, and most aren’t violent, such as public assemblies. Even takeovers of oblasts have been mainly peaceful if some were a bit messy.

What the oligarchs (known to Ukrainians as “The Family”) are worried about most obviously is the possibility of a major economic crisis. If investors flee Ukraine owing to widespread political instability, not to mention if the West begins imposing targeted economic sanctions - the oligarchs and their political pals being the targets - they of course stand to lose a great deal.

They’re getting exceedingly nervous. Takeovers are continuing, and the political situation is becoming more unstable.

181 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:39:29am

re: #180 Dr Lizardo

What the oligarchs (known to Ukrainians as “The Family”) are worried about most obviously is the possibility of a major economic crisis. If investors flee Ukraine owing to widespread political instability, not to mention if the West begins imposing targeted economic sanctions - the oligarchs and their political pals being the targets - they of course stand to lose a great deal.

They’re getting exceedingly nervous. Takeovers are continuing, and the political situation is becoming more unstable.

Here’s a scathing piece on Akhmetov and the oligarchs from the Independent, last june.

Jim Armitage: Oligarchs win again in game of Ukraine monopoly

independent.co.uk

182 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:55:11am

re: #181 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a scathing piece on Akhmetov and the oligarchs from the Independent, last june.

Jim Armitage: Oligarchs win again in game of Ukraine monopoly

independent.co.uk

A Polish friend of mine noted that her biggest concern is an outright civil war; that would precipitate a refugee crisis, and it’s the last thing the Poles want going on in a country with whom they share a border.

I’m pretty sure the Slovaks feel similarly.

183 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 5:57:05am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

A Polish friend of mine noted that her biggest concern is an outright civil war; that would precipitate a refugee crisis, and it’s the last thing the Poles want going on in a country with whom they share a border.

I’m pretty sure the Slovaks feel similarly.

EDIT: I should note that the Polish government has said it would take Ukrainian refugees if it came down to it; nonetheless, the idea of a civil war in a nation bordering the EU is for many here, the unthinkable.

184 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:00:13am

re: #167 Amory Blaine

Partly sunny with a chance of Bieber fever? /

185 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:03:38am

This is great to wake up to, if you’re struggling to. Love it.

Youtube Video

186 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:08:14am

Report: Lethal ‘car stopper’ bullets used against protesters during Hrushevskoho Street clashes

kyivpost.com

“A report published on Jan. 25 by Armament Research Services, a specialty arms and munitions consultancy in Perth, Australia, says the mysterious cufflink-shaped projectiles presumably fired by riot police on Hrushevskoho Street at protesters during clashes this week are not meant for riot control, but for stopping vehicles, busting through doors and piercing armor

“The bullets, writes ARES director N.R. Jenzen-Jones, who specializes in Eastern bloc weapons and provided the Kyiv Post with the report, says the bullets are specialist armor-piercing 12-gauge shotgun projectiles, likely developed and produced by the Spetstekhnika (Specialized Equipment) design bureau, a facility located in Kyiv and associated with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

“The Interior Ministry press service could not immediately be reached for comment or confirmation.”

187 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:15:29am

re: #182 Dr Lizardo

Well, suppose these folks from Klitschko’s party know where Akhmetov stands now. It was peaceful, and he wasn’t home, so they left.

Avtomaidan activists hold action outside businessman Akhmetov’s house in Donetsk

kyivpost.com

188 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:18:25am

re: #187 Justanotherhuman

Well, suppose these folks from Klitschko’s party know where Akhmetov stands now. It was peaceful, and he wasn’t home, so they left.

Avtomaidan activists hold action outside businessman Akhmetov’s house in Donetsk

kyivpost.com

So far, the situation hasn’t totally spiralled out of control, but it’s on the brink. In situations like this, all it takes is one little spark, and BOOM! - all hell breaks loose.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:19:46am

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Anthros point to the constitution of the League of the Iroquois as a source document for the colonist’s development of our founding documents (except the matriarchy parts). In the 1960s one reservation straddling the US/Canadian border issued passports recognized by a few of our opponents, like Libya. They still do issue them, but they’re considered ‘novelties’.

en.wikipedia.org

Probably the Akwesasne group. Their reservation (called “St Regis” on the US side) includes an island in the St Lawrence River and also lands on the Canadian side. The bridge between the US and Canada there connecting Cornwall, ON and (roughly) Massena, NY is two spans - connecting each side to that island.

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:21:34am

re: #179 A Mom Anon

The Museum of Stupid should be on the site of Jim Hoft’s house. His bathroom could house the Library of Stupid.

My sister has fallen for this stupid ID story more than once. Even after I sent her the Snopes thing that showed the stupid photoshop. If you hate Obama enough I guess you’ll latch onto anything that confirms your hate. I just wish these freaking “patriots” loved America more than they hate the President and those terrible awful mean old liberals.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:24:35am

Good morning Lizards.

Overcast, 20sF, and construction workers are working across the street making noise and keeping the felines amused. Snow predicted for this afternoon.

192 Flounder  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:24:40am

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Dumb question of the day (I really haven’t been following this) Can this spill over into other countries?

193 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:32:54am

re: #192 Flounder

Dumb question of the day (I really haven’t been following this) Can this spill over into other countries?

I would say most likely not, however, this may inspire some opponents of Lukashenko in Belarus; he’s a pretty hard-line guy and he’s pretty openly pining for the good old days of the USSR.

Meanwhile,

194 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:36:53am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

This is great to wake up to, if you’re struggling to. Love it.

In Spite of Ourselves

That was a fun song. Always like John Prime songs. He’s on my list of classic American song writers.

Nice to have some warm tunes to go with the fresh powdery snow…looks like we got about 3-4 inches overnight, but with the wind it is all now moving around sideways. Local areas are all in different snow emergency levels…lots of drifting. We could get another 1-3 today.

Hell of a winter so far. And we get to look forward to 2° tonight and a one day warm-up (30°) and then another drastic dip to a low of -15° over Monday night to a high of 2° on Tuesday.

I hope to get out to the local Kroger in a few hours to stock up for the next week. Chances are though, it will be busy as people will be in bunker mode.

Looks like there is no chance for a Groundhog shadow on Tuesday. More snow called for. I doubt they will even be able to drag the little bugger out of his hole. Hopefully that will mean the legend will hold…an end to this madness in a few weeks.

195 b.d.  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:41:23am

Has anyone ever asked as to why some random person would have saved a stolen/lost random nobody Barack Obama’s student ID for decades on end?

196 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:44:31am

re: #195 b.d.

Has anyone ever asked as to why some random person would have saved a stolen/lost random nobody Barack Obama’s student ID for decades on end?

CUZ BENGHAZI

Seriously, when you look at so much of the right wing conspiracy stuff, it just doesn’t begin to pass any kind of a sniff test.

RBS

197 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:51:39am

Give up, Viktor.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 6:51:41am

re: #124 Gus

Originalists say the constitution never should have been changed, amended. Yet women were denied the right to under the 14th Amendment. But the 14th wasn’t even adopted until 1868 well after the original intent. The 19th finally adopted in 1920.

No Gus, Originalists accept amending the Constitution, but we believe that Constitution should be interpreted according to the intent of those who originally wrote it. Where the Constitution has been amended, Originalists believe it should be interpreted according to the intent of those who wrote and passed the amendment.

199 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:06:12am

Starting to get dark in Ukraine; no report on mtg w/Yanukovych yet. Fires and rhythmic beating on metal still going on.

ukrstream.tv

200 The War TARDIS  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:07:24am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

Something tells me we won’t see the opposition leaders who met Yanukovych alive again.

201 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:07:31am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

No Gus, Originalists accept amending the Constitution, but we believe that Constitution should be interpreted according to the intent of those who originally wrote it. Where the Constitution has been amended, Originalists believe it should be interpreted according to the intent of those who wrote and passed the amendment.

The problem with an originalist theory of constitutional law is that whose interpretation of the founders do you take?

Madison? Hamilton? (aka the Federalists?) Or the anti-federalists? Both had their input into how the constitution and laws should be interpreted.

Indeed, many of the founders thought the bill of rights unnecessary because it would be a limiting document - rights not contained therein were circumspect and government could trample all over them.

Besides, if you are stuck with a founder’s intent, then you’re also stuck with their worldview from a time in history when many of these same founders were slave owners, treated women as chattel, and otherwise would limit rights to wealthy white property holders.

The issue therefore is one of balance. Balancing out what the founders sought - a plain meaning of the terms, plus what we now consider to be equal rights and protections under the law. The two are in tension, but they’re also not opposed to each other despite what some may think.

For instance, establishing protections for SSM isn’t trampling on anyone’s civil rights - you’re still free to believe that SSM is wrong - so you don’t have to get into a SSM. Your church can likewise not condone those acts and refuse to marry (that’s the 1st Amendment protection), but by refusing to provide SSM, the government is discriminating against same sex couples with the benefits that hetero couples enjoy (tax, insurance, etc.)

202 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:08:25am

These are the kinds of tactics used by the police that are pissing people off, too.

203 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:09:09am

re: #200 The War TARDIS

Something tells me we won’t see the opposition leaders who met Yanukovych alive again.

Oh, that’s silly. Of course we will.

204 The War TARDIS  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:10:29am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

Really? I think you might be a little naive on this. He is evidently desperate to keep prostituting Ukraine to Russia. He’ll do anything to keep it that way.

205 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:15:49am

re: #204 The War TARDIS

Really? I think you might be a little naive on this. He is evidently desperate to keep prostituting Ukraine to Russia. He’ll do anything to keep it that way.

I don’t think so. Have you seen the crowds today? This is growing and if Yanukovych really wants riots and civil war, he’ll get it. Right now he’s simply using repressive tactics and trying to instill fear. Protesters aren’t buying it.

206 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:17:47am

Mornin’ everyone. Watch Bill Gates get destroyed at Chess in 79 seconds.

businessinsider.com

207 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:20:39am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think so. Have you seen the crowds today? This is growing and if Yanukovych really wants riots and civil war, he’ll get it. Right now he’s simply using repressive tactics and trying to instill fear. Protesters aren’t buying it.

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He’s trying to convince them that he’s unshaken and will simply hold out as long as the protestors can. The reality is that he’s losing ground and eventually he’s going to either have to give up something to end it all…or he’s going to end up making a move that turns this into a full-blown war and ensures he has no say in how it ends.

208 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:20:59am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think so. Have you seen the crowds today? This is growing and if Yanukovych really wants riots and civil war, he’ll get it. Right now he’s simply using repressive tactics and trying to instill fear. Protesters aren’t buying it.

[Embedded content]

Yanukovych is trying to intimidate the protesters, and so far it’s not working. If he pushes too hard, there’s a strong possibility it’ll blow up into a full-scale, violent domestic insurrection. In the worst case scenario, it’ll blow up into an outright civil war.

209 b.d.  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:22:44am

re: #206 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Watch Bill Gates get destroyed at Chess in 79 seconds.

businessinsider.com

In unrelated news: Microsoft buys the rights to the game chess and recalls all chess boards, makes all online chess games unable to load and takes all unsold chess boards off the market.

210 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:24:13am
211 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:31:07am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

No Gus, Originalists accept amending the Constitution, but we believe that Constitution should be interpreted according to the intent of those who originally wrote it. Where the Constitution has been amended, Originalists believe it should be interpreted according to the intent of those who wrote and passed the amendment.

Here is the thing though Dark.

What one of the original creators and signers are you going to try to draw the intent from? I think they all wanted a document that could be changed to fit the needs of the times, just like the original was created for those times.

Are you going to go with a strict interpretation and what founding father would that be judged on? Are you going to go with someone like Madison or Jefferson, or would it be Adams and Hamilton? Maybe Payne?

And you need to factor in that there were compromises…so what was original intent if it was compromised to form a document. Originalists have their own interpretations as do the more radical interpreters. Are not both views really a reflection of the original creators?

I feel to be a strict holder goes against the very nature of how it was created in the first place. Compromise, change and growth which is why they allowed amendments. Does not the fact they allowed amendments say they knew that it had to change? And if that is the case, does it not shoot down the whole originalist concept?

To me we should hold a Constitutional Review from time to time and gather the best and smartest for the times to reinterpret and adjust. Maybe not a rewrite, but a new adjusted interpretation the Supreme Court and all lower courts must use to fit the times.

And then take the always fought over 2nd. You have your view of their intent, I have mine. How the hell are you going to go original when they would never have been able to see modern society and modern technology. And, what if their intent would be that there should be control of guns as in “well regulated militia.”

Dammit! Lawhawk beat me to some of my points. I am catching some local news and trying to type (and freeze in place) all at the same time.

212 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:33:06am
213 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:37:53am
214 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:39:35am

Chairman Menendez Statement On Latest Developments In Ukraine

ukraine.usembassy.gov

Washington, DC - U.S. Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, issued the following statement regarding the latest developments in Ukraine.

“Earlier this month, Chairman Menendez held a hearing on the crisis in Ukraine, and convened a roundtable discussion in New Jersey with Ukrainian leaders.

“The deteriorating situation in Ukraine is growing more worrisome by the day. By abandoning fundamental principles of democratic rule and rejecting through violent means the rights of assembly, speech and protest, President Yanukovych has undermined his authority and threatened the political and economic stability of the Ukrainian state. Ukrainian citizens from across the political spectrum are peacefully standing up and demanding that their voices be heard. President Yanukovych must bring an end to this violence, convene parliament and repeal repressive legislation restricting fundamental political rights, and constructively engage the political opposition. The world is watching and a peaceful resolution remains the only allowable outcome.”

215 Mattand  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:40:25am

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

No Gus, Originalists accept amending the Constitution, but we believe that Constitution should be interpreted according to the intent of those who originally wrote it. Where the Constitution has been amended, Originalists believe it should be interpreted according to the intent of those who wrote and passed the amendment.

As smart as the Founders were, there are so many things they could not have foreseen, the Internet and weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds per minute being chief among them.

It’s a great blueprint, but to insist the Constitution be interpreted through the eyes of men (some of whom were unapologetic slave owners) who died over 200 years ago is a recipe for disaster in an age where we can walk on the goddamn moon, and a senior citizen isn’t someone who made it to 45.

216 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:42:58am
217 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:43:35am

re: #213 darthstar

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Jesus, and they wonder why we call them simpletons? Romney is starting to lead the pack.

He thinks he and Putin are buddies just because of their commonality re the Olympics? That’s the way a 10 yr old thinks.

Romney’s family will be enclosed in the “bubble” while they’re at Sochi along with the other oligarchs.

218 Mattand  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:44:38am

re: #211 ObserverArt

If anything needs a rewrite, it’s the effin 2nd Amendment. As I’ve stated before, it’s a damn death pact the way it’s interpreted today.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:45:34am

re: #204 The War TARDIS

Really? I think you might be a little naive on this. He is evidently desperate to keep prostituting Ukraine to Russia. He’ll do anything to keep it that way.

Even allowing that, PLL, killing negotiators in that fashion is something even dictators almost never do. It the equivalent of the old practice of a ship or fort hoisting a red flag to signal no quarter would be given. To kill the spokespersons of a movement would be a signal you want to kill everyone in the movement, which would mean a fight that is much more bloody than anyone wants. Yanukovych may end up having those leaders killed but not while they are meeting to discus a settlement.

220 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:46:00am
221 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:48:13am

Heh. If Yanukovych loses the oligarchs, he’s in it deep.

222 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:49:11am

Moving eastward…

223 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:50:10am
224 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:53:14am

re: #218 Mattand

If anything needs a rewrite, it’s the effin 2nd Amendment. As I’ve stated before, it’s a damn death pact the way it’s interpreted today.

Well, I’ve always interpreted the Second to mean militias only (which we now have in many forms), not arming dirtbags of every stripe that want a lethal weapon.

225 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:56:15am

Another interesting development:

The pressure’s mounting on Yanukovych; the moment of decision is coming fast.

226 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:57:50am

re: #223 darthstar

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Excellent!

“Like the anti-nuclear movement of the early Eighties, modern campaigners for privacy and digital freedom see their own countries’ flaws with blinding clarity, and ignore those of repressive regimes elsewhere. Their mistrust means that little said by governments carries any weight.

“But the Snowdenistas go far beyond the anti-nuclear campaigners in their thirst for damage. Disagreeing with your government’s actions is one thing. Sabotaging them is another.

“The Snowden affair is a story of secrecy and deception - but not on the side of the intelligence agencies. Far too little attention has been paid to the political agendas of the most ardent Snowdenistas - people such as the bombastic Brazil-based blogger, Glenn Greenwald, hysterical “hacktivist” Jacob Appelbaum, and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. “

227 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:58:05am

re: #224 Justanotherhuman

Well, I’ve always interpreted the Second to mean militias only (which we now have in many forms), not arming dirtbags of every stripe that want a lethal weapon.

No, the Founders wanted all of us to be able to buy fully automatic weapons, grenade launchers, and anti-personnel mines, to defend ourselves from the government!

228 The War TARDIS  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:58:14am

re: #222 Justanotherhuman

That’s way in the east.

229 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:59:46am

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

Oh, GG’s not going to like this. He’ll run to Twitter to malign the writer and obfuscate the facts, as is his SOP.

230 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 7:59:49am

This gif shows how Ukraine is dividing:

Image: original_41507bec249454120569e1d7b49c91f1.gif

231 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:02:12am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

What about the rest of the country? I have friends in Kyiv I am worried about, but my other friends in Lugansk are in the far east, in the gray zone, as it were.

232 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:03:51am

re: #228 The War TARDIS

That’s way in the east.

It’s growing, I tell you. Yanukovych needs to shit or get off the pot, to be blunt about it.

233 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:04:24am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi

What about the rest of the country? I have friends in Kyiv I am worried about, but my other friends in Lugansk are in the far east, in the gray zone, as it were.

So far, the far east remains relatively stable; that’s basically the stronghold of Yanukovych for the time being. However, the ongoing situation is quite fluid, so one never knows.

234 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:07:54am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

So far, the far east remains relatively stable; that’s basically the stronghold of Yanukovych for the time being. However, the ongoing situation is quite fluid, so one never knows.

My friends there say the eastern provinces are largely Orthodox and bilingual in Ukrainian and Russian, while the western provinces are largely Catholic and Ukrainian speaking. Lugansk is near the Russian border, as I recall. But even those friends say Ukraine is a mess, and they’d leave the country if they could. That was before all this violence occurred.

235 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:10:01am

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Where would the Museum of Stupid be located? I put the question to the group.

Gotta’ be Lubbock. Thanks to climate change and various red-meat GOP efforts to drain the Ogallala Aquifer as quickly as profits require, the place will be little more than a sand dune with a space cleared for the Buddy Holly statue by then.

236 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:11:06am
237 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:12:29am

re: #236 Lidane

A graduate of the Bryan Fischer School of False Analogies.

238 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:20:08am

News from the opposition parties.

The opposition will ask the Council of Europe set up a commission in Ukraine and send the results to the Hague

“The opposition appealed to the Council of Europe to as quickly as possible to create a special commission that examines the current situation in Ukraine and will give the results of their research in the Hague judicial institutions .

“These statements are being prepared . This was announced today at a press briefing , deputy chairman of the party “Fatherland ” , MP Pavel Petrenko.

“All those persons who are involved in the torture and destruction of Ukrainians in fact , should be held accountable , including before the Hague Tribunal ,” - said Pavel Petrenko. In addition, the MP said that the judges who now tolerate illegal sanctions on detention and imprisonment of activists , opposition also prepares relevant application to the European Court of Human Rights and the Hague tribunal , ” because in fact these judges are accomplices in the commission of crimes against of mankind. ”

Source : censor.net.ua

239 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:20:08am

re: #236 Lidane

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Obviously, then, the legalization of marijuana is the Tet Offensive and any increase in food stamp benefits would be another Appomattox Court House (which wingnuts regard as a colossal catastrophe).

240 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:24:51am

The fight against Obama’s magazine restrictions is the Stalingrad of gun rights!

241 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:26:02am

The cops seem amused, even.

242 darthstar  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:26:59am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Obviously, then, the legalization of marijuana is the Tet Offensive and any increase in food stamp benefits would be another Appomattox Court House (which wingnuts regard as a colossal catastrophe).

Let’s turn that up to eleven, okay?

243 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:30:00am

re: #242 darthstar

Let’s turn that up to eleven, okay?

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Perkins is definitely part of the .1%.

online.wsj.com

244 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:34:02am

re: #242 darthstar

Let’s turn that up to eleven, okay?

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Yes, because the rich in this country are such “victims.”

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245 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:35:37am

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel

The fight against Obama’s magazine restrictions is the Stalingrad of gun rights!

Considering that Obama hasn’t proposed any, that doesn’t work. Diane Feistein did, but the Senate rejected her legislation with 56 ‘no’ votes. Harry Reid was among the ‘no’s, as he had to be.

246 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:36:14am

re: #244 Targetpractice

Yes, because the rich in this country are such “victims.”

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Raising the minimum wage will bankrupt teh Waltons!

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247 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:42:19am

re: #242 darthstar

248 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:43:12am

Police are now questioning a man who was trying to get in to the Guinness Book of Records for the BIGGEST Frittata EVAH!!

$22,000 worth of eggs stolen in Puerto Rico

hosted.ap.org

249 piratedan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:49:29am

re: #242 darthstar

yeah, It seems just like yesterday when gangs of Progressives were out roaming the streets rounding up intellectuals, jews, homosexuals and other ethnic minorities…

why don’t asshats like Perkins just go buy an island and simply leave the rest of us alone?

250 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:55:44am

Huge crowds, fires and noise in Kiev tonight, also.

251 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:56:32am

re: #249 piratedan

Seriously. They have enough money to go roll in piles of it, more than they and their clueless offspring can spend in generations. How can we miss them if they won’t go away? The only thing left to buy when you have everything are governments and law makers. And ours seem to be very cheaply bought.

I was listening to Randi Rhodes yesterday talking about how dysfunctional a large share of super wealthy people are. She covered the Woolworth’s family fortune and what happened to it. It’s pretty much gone, the heirs have died of lots of drug overdoses and there was a lot of child abuse, horrible stuff. Randi asked a good question, does large amounts of inherited money lead to serious mental and emotional problems? From the looks of things I’d have to say that except for some rare exceptions the answer is yes.

252 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 8:59:44am
253 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:00:09am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

Huge crowds, fires and noise in Kiev tonight, also.

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Ukrainian protests or the largest improvised renaissance fair ever, you be the judge.

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254 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:00:32am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

Please consider all your Ukrainian-related comments updinged. I appreciate the steady stream (for days!)

255 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:02:19am

Kind of interesting to see how little presence western news agencies have in Ukraine. Almost everything is from local news sources.

256 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:02:53am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Considering that Obama hasn’t proposed any, that doesn’t work. Diane Feistein did, but the Senate rejected her legislation with 56 ‘no’ votes. Harry Reid was among the ‘no’s, as he had to be.

But every patriot knows that Obama is the source of all gun evil! He hasn’t proposed banning online sales, restricting ammunition, or going door to door to confiscate guns either, but millions of people are desperately pouring out billions of dollars on the assumption that he intends to.

257 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:03:46am


usnews.nbcnews.com - between 1-4 people shot at Columbia, MD Mall outside Baltimore.

258 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:04:04am

re: #255 Killgore Trout

Kind of interesting to see how little presence western news agencies have in Ukraine. Almost everything is from local news sources.

Maybe if The Beib were to go there ,,,,,,,,,

259 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:05:59am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

I sometimes wonder how many families are in tough financial times because Mom or Dad has just got to have another weapon and ammo. Fewer households own guns, but those that do seem to be stockpiling arsenals. I wonder if it’s going to dawn on the nimrods that they can’t eat those weapons and they won’t do you a lot of good if you find yourself homeless.

260 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:06:26am

re: #257 lawhawk

Clearly the shooter was just standing his ground.

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261 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:07:57am

Reporting either 10 or 11 oblasts now under control of opposition. Here is how Ukraine is divided up:

“Ukraine is subdivided into twenty-four oblasts (provinces) and one autonomous republic (avtonomna respublika), Crimea. Additionally, the cities of Kiev, the capital, and Sevastopol, both have a special legal status. The 24 oblasts and Crimea are subdivided into 490 raions (districts), or second-level administrative units.”

en.wikipedia.org

262 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:09:00am

re: #259 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder how many families are in tough financial times because Mom or Dad has just got to have another weapon and ammo.

My guess, very few to non

More likely they would be ” in tough financial times” because the family just HAD to have the latest cell phone/ 3D large screen TV/ new(est) luxury car than they could really afford

263 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:09:46am

Look what you can buy for only $98,000+ if you hurry.

NES Nintendo World Championship Cart RARE Torn Label 100% Authentic Adult Owned

ebay.com

264 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:11:13am

re: #260 Lidane

Clearly the shooter was just standing his ground.

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If Obama hadn’t confiscated all of the good guys guns these people could have defended themselves.

265 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:12:53am
266 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:13:01am

re: #179 A Mom Anon

The Museum of Stupid should be on the site of Jim Hoft’s house. His bathroom could house the Library of Stupid.

My sister has fallen for this stupid ID story more than once. Even after I sent her the Snopes thing that showed the stupid photoshop. If you hate Obama enough I guess you’ll latch onto anything that confirms your hate. I just wish these freaking “patriots” loved America more than they hate the President and those terrible awful mean old liberals.

Show her this.

267 Stephen T.  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:13:38am

re: #259 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder how many families are in tough financial times because Mom or Dad has just got to have another weapon and ammo.

There is a part of me that wants to answer this with the sarcastic comment “If they spend their hard earned money on guns and ammo they won’t need to spend any money on the necessities of life, since they’ll have the means to take it by force.”

But I decided that it would be far too cynical, even for me, and not reflective of actual gun owners.

268 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:14:21am

re: #265 Lidane

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can that be retroactive!?!?

OUCH ,,,, oh,, hi honey,,, didn’t see you standing behind me!!!!
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269 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:16:19am

re: #259 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder how many families are in tough financial times because Mom or Dad has just got to have another weapon and ammo. Fewer households own guns, but those that do seem to be stockpiling arsenals. I wonder if it’s going to dawn on the nimrods that they can’t eat those weapons and they won’t do you a lot of good if you find yourself homeless.

I haven’t heard of it, though I do know people who have very impressive gun collections but little else. In my experience, typical hoarders are middle class business or professional types who can afford it in the short term, but who are tying up money that would otherwise be saved or invested in something productive. My nephew, an engineer in Colorado, says he has several colleagues who routinely spend a thousand dollars or more a month on ammunition that disappears into their stashes.

270 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:18:10am

re: #257 lawhawk

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usnews.nbcnews.com - between 1-4 people shot at Columbia, MD Mall outside Baltimore.

“Responsible gun owner.”

271 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:22:30am

re: #258 sattv4u2

Maybe if The Beib were to go there ,,,,,,,,,

I’d rather send Dennis Rodman, he’s much more entertaining.

272 Tumulus11  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:24:15am

. CNN is reporting three dead in the Columbia mall shooting.

273 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:24:22am
274 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:26:48am

There Have Been School Shootings Every Other Day So Far in 2014

Though the sample size is far too small to draw any definitive conclusions, 2014 is off to a deadly start: in the first 14 school days of the year, there have been at least 7 school shootings. For sake of comparison, there were 28 school shootings in all of 2013, according to gun violence prevention group Moms Demand Action.

care2.com

WOO-HOO! We’re winning!

275 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:26:57am

re: #265 Lidane

In response to a federal court ruling that Oklahoma’s same-sex marriage ban is unconstitutional discrimination, a state lawmaker says he wants to skirt the equal protection argument by banning all marriages in the state.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

276 Mattand  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:27:33am

re: #273 Skip Intro

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Nope, no gun problem in America, no sir-ee.

277 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:29:00am

Unfortunately, since this happened in Baltimore, I’m reasonably certain the RWNJs are just going to go ahead and blame the attack on “liberal crazies”

278 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:29:04am

So the clock for “too soon” gets reset, but we can be assured that it will soon be time for another round of “We need to talk about mental illness!”

279 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:30:01am

America - We got plenty of guns and, if you happen to survive a shooting, you’ll probably go bankrupt paying for your recovery!

280 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:30:31am

re: #259 A Mom Anon

I sometimes wonder how many families are in tough financial times because Mom or Dad has just got to have another weapon and ammo. Fewer households own guns, but those that do seem to be stockpiling arsenals. I wonder if it’s going to dawn on the nimrods that they can’t eat those weapons and they won’t do you a lot of good if you find yourself homeless.

Maybe they’re working on a variation of Machiavelli’s observation, “Gold may not get you good soldiers, but good soldiers will always get you gold.” Replace ‘gold’ with ‘home’ and ‘good soldiers’ with ‘guns’.

Plus ‘defending their homes’ against the ‘evil government foreclosure jackbooted thugs’ is a favourite masturbation fantasy.

281 lawhawk  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:30:47am


Someone hit her with a clue x 4. The NRA opposes any and all regulation of firearms.

282 Mattand  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:36:08am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Someone hit her with a clue x 4. The NRA opposes any and all regulation of firearms.

Coulter is one of those people who is just literally powered by malice, and seems to enjoy it.

Basically a terrible example of humanity.

283 piratedan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:36:18am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Someone hit her with a clue x 4. The NRA opposes any and all regulation of firearms.

I’m sure she’s quite aware, just trolling bait to piss off anyone who isn’t already firmly in their camp.

284 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:36:29am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Someone hit her with a clue x 4. The NRA opposes any and all regulation of firearms.

And another gun that just “mysteriously” wound up in the hands of somebody that the gun nuts will say shouldn’t have been able to legally purchase a firearm.

285 Mattand  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:37:18am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately, since this happened in Baltimore, I’m reasonably certain the RWNJs are just going to go ahead and blame the attack on “liberal crazies”

Since it’s near Baltimore, expect a nice dollop of racism from our conservative “friends” as well.

286 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:37:29am

re: #282 Mattand

Coulter is one of those people who just is just literally powered by malice, and seems to enjoy it.

Basically a terrible example of humanity.

For Coulter, this is restrained. I’m surprised she didn’t add that they’d be black and Muslim.

287 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:38:09am

re: #281 lawhawk

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Someone hit her with a clue x 4. The NRA opposes any and all regulation of firearms.

She doesn’t care about the NRA. She is saying this due to outright Conservative Nutcase hatred for the ACLU.

And to keep her skinny ass visage in the Nutcase news loop.

288 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:39:07am

So we should lock up ALL the mentally ill? Is that what she’s saying?

289 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:39:36am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

So we should lock up ALL the mentally ill? Is that what she’s saying?

Sounds like it to me.

290 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:40:35am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

So we should lock up ALL the mentally ill? Is that what she’s saying?

No, she wants to lock up ACLU lawyers and any support the organization has.

291 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:41:12am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

So we should lock up ALL the mentally ill? Is that what she’s saying?

Having talked to gun nuts who are convinced that there’s already “too much” regulation, yes, that’s pretty much what they believe. Oh sure, if pressed she’ll say that there should be limits because her anti-government knee will jerk, but in the end she’ll say that anybody who’s mentally ill should be locked up in the name of “public safety.”

292 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:42:34am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

So we should lock up ALL the mentally ill? Is that what she’s saying?

It would be ironic if that fantasy of hers came to pass, and she ended up in an asylum.

Because she’s not exactly firing on all eight cylinders.

293 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:43:13am
294 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:43:30am

re: #292 Romantic Heretic

It would be ironic if that fantasy of hers came to pass, and she ended up in an asylum.

Because she’s not exactly firing on all eight cylinders.

I’m sure she’d qualify for a “patriotic exemption”

/

295 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:45:03am

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

America - We got plenty of guns and, if you happen to survive a shooting, you’ll probably go bankrupt paying for your recovery!

Too right. My recovery from an accidental shooting cost about 12 grand in treatment and lost work time in 1982, and that was with no permament disability resulting. It would be many times that now, and serious disability would put the cost in the millions.

296 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:45:18am

re: #293 NJDhockeyfan

BREAKING: Ukraine’s president is offering a top opposition leader the country’s prime minister position

Whoa. Not that is an interesting twist to things.

297 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:45:43am

re: #293 NJDhockeyfan

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I don’t think one needs to Admiral Akbar to see what this is.

298 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:46:40am

Good Morning/Early afternoon, Lizards.

Here, for your viewing pleasure, is a cat licking a vacuum cleaner.

Youtube Video

299 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:47:50am

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel

Too right. My recovery from an accidental shooting cost about 12 grand in treatment and lost work time in 1982, and that was with no permament disability resulting. It would be many times that now, and serious disability would put the cost in the millions.

I am glad you recovered but I’m sorry you had to go through that.

300 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:51:59am


Wolf Blitzer is on the phone with the Howard County Police trying to find out if the dead shooter has an accent. He will report his findings at the top of the hour.

301 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:53:22am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

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Wolf Blitzer is on the phone with the Howard County Police trying to find out if the dead shooter has an accent. He will report his findings at the top of the hour.

Yes, but how will this affect Justin Beiber’s trial?

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302 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:58:38am

re: #301 Targetpractice

Yes, but how will this affect Justin Beiber’s trial?

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If there any new developments in the Persecution of Justin Beiber we will be sure to drop whatever we are covering and get to our on-the-scene reporting team for the important news of the day.

303 Bridgeghazi: Never Forget!!11!!!!11  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 9:59:33am

re: #266 Romantic Heretic

Awesome article. You should make a page.

304 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:02:13am

Be sure to watch our CNN Special tonight at 10:00 PM Eastern -

Justin Bieber Wronged - DAY 3

305 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:02:43am

re: #302 ObserverArt

If there any new developments in the Persecution of Justin Beiber we will be sure to drop whatever we are covering and get to our on-the-scene reporting team for the important news of the day.

‘We have to interrupt out coverage of the nuclear attacks by Iran and North Korea to bring you breaking news…Justin Beiber has just arrived at the courthouse. We will spend the next hour reporting with nonstop coverage starting right now.’

~CNN

306 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:07:52am

re: #298 makeitstop

Good Morning/Early afternoon, Lizards.

Here, for your viewing pleasure, is a cat licking a vacuum cleaner.

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lol

307 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:08:47am

Even Dkos is finally waking up to what’s going on in Ukraine
Images from Kiev

308 monkeyfister  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:09:19am
309 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:10:04am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Be sure to watch our CNN Special tonight at 10:00 PM Eastern -

>Justin Beiber Wronged - DAY 3

I thought that was a joke…but it’s NOT!

Good grief.

310 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:10:21am

re: #305 NJDhockeyfan

‘We have to interrupt out coverage of the nuclear attacks by Iran and North Korea to bring you breaking news…Justin Beiber has just arrived at the courthouse. We will spend the next hour reporting with nonstop coverage starting right now.’

~CNN

I just saw on Yahoo that an amateur video of Beiber’s drag race has emerged. Unless someone indicates that he was driving an SR-71 on the public street and had Jimmy Hoffa in the back seat I am not going to watch it.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:11:21am

re: #310 Shiplord Kirel

I just saw on Yahoo that an amateur video of Beiber’s drag race has emerged. Unless someone indicates that he was driving an SR-71 on the public street and had Jimmy Hoffa in the back seat I am not going to watch it.

Watching my dog take a shit is more interesting.

312 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:11:21am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

I thought that was a joke…but it’s NOT!

Good grief.

What? I typed it out as a joke. What’s going on???

313 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:13:11am

Trying to explain to an idiot dudebro that the canard of “states’ rights” that people like Rick Perry articulate has nothing to do with personal freedom from teh ebil gubmint. Perry and the rest of the Neo-Confederate jackwagons would impose harsher laws than the feds if they could, and if you don’t like it, move somewhere else.

There’s a world of difference between the Tenther bullshit spewed by the right and the libertarian views he thinks they’re advancing. Pointing that out is exhausting.

314 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:13:42am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Watching my dog take a shit is more interesting.

The cat and the vacuum was pretty good.

Only thing that could beat it is Justin Bieber and a vacuum!

Wait…that might be gross. Ewww.

315 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:14:00am

re: #308 monkeyfister

We’d have to super glue that tiara to the crash helmet Dim Hoft needs to get through the day.

316 monkeyfister  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:19:31am

re: #315 Lidane

It is fitting. It will look fabulous, and be safe. He is still required to put corks on the tips of his eating utensils… right?

317 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:20:26am

Dkos is curious but wary of the protests. Other leftists have stronger opinions.
Western Manipulated Violence in Ukraine

Last November, protests erupted in Ukraine. Violence followed. Previous articles discussed it. Washington’s dirty game was explained. Imperial lawlessness reflects it.

It has many forms. It includes trampling on fundamental rule of law principles. Toppling democratically elected governments is OK.

So is assassinating foreign leaders. Replacing them by coup d’etats is longstanding US policy. Waging war to do it is standard practice.

Anything goes defines America. Washington rules alone matter. Imposing them worldwide matters most.

At issue is replacing sovereign independent governments with pro-Western stooge ones. It’s denying democratic freedoms.

It’s a game as old as empire. It’s imposing diktat authority. It’s plundering nations for profit.

It’s impoverishing them. It’s bankrupting them. It’s trapping them in debt. It’s turning workers into serfs. It’s imposing police state rules. It’s cracking down hard on resisters.

318 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:21:06am

re: #308 monkeyfister

Might as well cement the Tiara to his head, already.

Hot rivets. It’s not like it will be possible to damage his Ferrous Cranius.

319 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:21:45am

re: #281 lawhawk

Uh oh- shooting at MD mall. I predict shooter will be another mentally ill person the NRA wouldn’t let us keep guns from.

FTFH.

320 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:23:44am

re: #307 Killgore Trout

Even Dkos is finally waking up to what’s going on in Ukraine
Images from Kiev

I can safely say most Americans don’t give a shit.
Hell, we hardly ever give a shit about the world unless oil is involved.

321 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:25:29am


Of course now I have John Prine stuck in my head.

322 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:26:38am
323 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:28:00am

Qatari owned Al Jazeera which relies on OPEC oil production is talking about West Virginia and coal. Yawn.

324 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:28:03am
325 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:29:09am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

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“Rewriting”?

326 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:29:15am

re: #320 Varek Raith

I can safely say most Americans don’t give a shit.
Hell, we hardly ever give a shit about the world unless oil is involved.

All we can do is essentially watch. The traditional allies of Russia go way back to the Soviet Union and the communist revolution so they will tend to side with Putin and traditional Russian rule of Ukraine.

327 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:29:24am

re: #322 Dr Lizardo

And yet nothing about joining the EU, which, IIRC is one of the major sticking points between the two sides.

That’s definitely a trap.

328 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:29:38am

re: #320 Varek Raith

I can safely say most Americans don’t give a shit.
Hell, we hardly ever give a shit about the world unless oil is in involved.

True. I do find it interesting how people process information from a partisan perspective. Much of it doesn’t require much information, just political instincts. In the case the lefties are torn between the reflexive support of a popular uprising against the establishment, and instinctive anti-Western/capitalist influence. Not sure where the righties are on this but I’m pretty sure they’ll just resort to blaming Obama for whatever goes wrong.

329 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:30:18am

re: #325 Targetpractice

“Rewriting”?

Translation: “We won’t kill you for protesting. We’ll just imprison you for life.”

330 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:31:09am

re: #328 Killgore Trout

True. I do find it interesting how people process information from a partisan perspective. Much of it doesn’t require much information, just political instincts. In the case the lefties are torn between the reflexive support of a popular uprising against the establishment, and instinctive anti-Western/capitalist influence. Not sure where the righties are on this but I’m pretty sure they’ll just resort to blaming Obama for whatever goes wrong.

Righties?
They’re too busy having a mancrush on Putin.

331 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:31:53am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Righties?
They’re too busy having a mancrush on Putin.

I liked ‘mancrash’ better.

332 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:32:12am

Of course all these political instincts can be easily overridden if the favorite partisan pundits or influential think tank tell their audiences what to think.

333 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:32:28am

re: #331 wrenchwench

I liked ‘mancrash’ better.

Dammit!
:P

334 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:33:16am

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Not sure where the righties are on this but I’m pretty sure they’ll just resort to blaming Obama for whatever goes wrong.

The right are too busy falling all over themselves talking about how hot Vladimir Putin is and how he’s a real man for cracking down on teh ghey to give a shit about Ukraine.

335 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:34:47am

Yanukovych is clearly trying to hang on to power no matter what. His offer smells of desperation; though he doesn’t show it, I think he’s exceedingly nervous at the pace of rebellion - he’s pretty much lost control of the western Ukraine, and he knows it, and it’s going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to re-establish that control.

336 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:35:39am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Righties?
They’re too busy having a mancrush on Putin.

I think the right’s relationship with Putin has some admiration from the appearance that he’s strong and and stands up to Obama. Kinda like when lefties got excited about Ahmedinijad and Chavez dissed Bush (yeah, I know…MBF). For some people their patriotism gets overwhelmed by their partisanship.

337 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:36:12am

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

Yanukovych is clearly trying to hang on to power no matter what. His offer smells of desperation; though he doesn’t show it, I think he’s exceedingly nervous at the pace of rebellion - he’s pretty much lost control of the western Ukraine, and he knows it, and it’s going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to re-establish that control.

Considering yesterday he was boasting that no matter what happened, the protesters were going to jail, and today he’s offering amnesty…yeah, I think he’s getting a bit hot under the collar.

338 Lidane  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:38:43am

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I think the right’s relationship with Putin has some admiration from the appearance that he’s strong and and stands up to Obama.

Don’t ignore all the Russian anti-gay laws. The right loves those. They’d imprison people here for being gay if they could.

339 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:41:32am

re: #335 Dr Lizardo

Yanukovych is clearly trying to hang on to power no matter what. His offer smells of desperation; though he doesn’t show it, I think he’s exceedingly nervous at the pace of rebellion - he’s pretty much lost control of the western Ukraine, and he knows it, and it’s going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to re-establish that control.

It does seem he’s getting nervous. He has some important decisions to make soon. I think he can still leave office if things get bad. He’ll have to flee the country. If he steps up the crackdown he’ll eventually find himself in Q’Daffy or Assad’s shoes: unable to leave office without winding up in front of an international court for war crimes. Tough choice but I’m thinking he takes his chances and stays in power.

340 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:41:47am

Not much we can do about Ukraine other than watch. We meddle and we’ll just make things worse. All we can do is type out sternly worded messages.

341 blueraven  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:43:09am

re: #336 Killgore Trout

I think the right’s relationship with Putin has some admiration from the appearance that he’s strong and and stands up to Obama. Kinda like when lefties got excited about Ahmedinijad and Chavez dissed Bush (yeah, I know…MBF). For some people their patriotism gets overwhelmed by their partisanship.

Lefties were excited about Ahmadinejad? I must have missed that.

342 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:44:27am

re: #340 Gus

Not much we can do about Ukraine other than watch. We meddle and we’ll just make things worse. All we can do is type out sternly worded messages.

And that won’t work because Russia’s newest employee, Eddie Snowden, will be intercepting and reading all those to keep Russia safe from the West!

///

343 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:45:25am
344 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:45:49am

re: #341 blueraven

Lefties were excited about Ahmadinejad? I must have missed that.

That’s Kilgore placing a bit more weight on the balance beam to get it all to level properly. It’s hard work you know.

345 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:46:09am

re: #342 ObserverArt

And that won’t work because Russia’s newest employee, Eddie Snowden, will be intercepting and reading all those to keep Russia safe from the West!

///

I think more people died last night in the US from violence than all of the protests in Ukraine.

346 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:46:47am

Another shooting.

Dog damnit.

347 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:47:12am

re: #345 Gus

I think more people died last night in the US from violence than all of the protests in Ukraine.

Let freedom ring!

348 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:48:24am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Dkos is curious but wary of the protests. Other leftists have stronger opinions.
Western Manipulated Violence in Ukraine

That right there is a Barking Moonbat.

349 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:49:12am

re: #347 ObserverArt

Let freedom ring!

Actually, probably more died this morning in the US.

350 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:49:51am

re: #346 Stanley Sea

Another shooting.

Dog damnit.

3 dead including shooter. Mall in Maryland. Also injuries.

351 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:50:10am

re: #349 Gus

Actually, probably more died this morning in the US.

The costs of freedom!

352 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:50:54am

re: #339 Killgore Trout

It does seem he’s getting nervous. He has some important decisions to make soon. I think he can still leave office if things get bad. He’ll have to flee the country. If he steps up the crackdown he’ll eventually find himself in Q’Daffy or Assad’s shoes: unable to leave office without winding up in front of an international court for war crimes. Tough choice but I’m thinking he takes his chances and stays in power.

Heh. If worse comes to worse, he can wing it to Moscow - his buddy Vlad will put him up in some nice digs, no doubt. Like I said on another thread, maybe he’ll pull an Idi Amin and take the contents of the Central Bank of Ukraine with him should he flee to Moscow.

353 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:51:57am

re: #351 ObserverArt

The costs of freedom!

I suspect “copy-cat” effect here. Public shootings. Malls or schools.

354 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:52:18am


The tweeter’s profile:

Pan-Arabia Enquirer
@arabiaenquirer

Spreading the hummous of satire over the flatbread of facts. Seven-star fake news from the Middle East. Also on the Facebooks t.co

Middle East * panarabiaenquirer.com

An excerpt:

“The mere thought of [Bono] looking earnestly into the camera, pulling a pained expression and rhyming something with Aleppo should be enough to bring President Assad to the negotiations table immediately,” said UN secretary general Ban Ki Moon in a statement. “We desperately urge all parties to lay down their arms and work towards a viable peace plan to ensure whatever he’s recording never sees the light of day.”

355 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:54:17am

re: #351 ObserverArt

The costs of freedom!

I’m confused, I thought that Maryland pass new strict gun laws that were supposed to stop those sorts of shootings.

/dripping

356 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:57:11am

re: #354 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]


The tweeter’s profile:

An excerpt: “The mere thought of [Bono] looking earnestly into the camera, pulling a pained expression and rhyming something with Aleppo should be enough to bring President Assad to the negotiations table immediately,”
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

First things that come to my mind are Zeppo and a forced rhyme with Harpo. Maybe something Marxs brother related?

RBS

357 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:58:36am

re: #356 RealityBasedSteve

First things that come to my mind are Zeppo and a forced rhyme with Harpo. Maybe something Marxs brother related?

RBS

“Ooooh, look at the broken children of Aleppo
Do you want to make Zeppo…..
cry?”

358 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:59:12am

re: #353 Gus

I suspect “copy-cat” effect here. Public shootings. Malls or schools.

Yeah, I’ve thought it has become a weird ‘trend’ for a quite a few years. It makes you really think about the mental health and law enforcement people that say the media should not play it all up to help keep down the “going out in a blaze of news/media glory” and making them important in a way they never could achieve in normal ways.

359 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 10:59:40am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

I’m confused, I thought that Maryland pass new strict gun laws that were supposed to stop those sorts of shootings.

/dripping

I think there’s too much focus on single issues rather than looking at the whole. The gun problem as it were should be looked at as an organism with integral parts. There’s a wide array of social issues involved here. However, as you know, these issues are singled out based on political expediency. Peer pressure within these groups also plays a role.

360 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:00:52am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

I’m confused, I thought that Maryland pass new strict gun laws that were supposed to stop those sorts of shootings.

/dripping

Probably bought them at an unregulated gun show across state lines or something.

/// right back at you…

361 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:01:42am

re: #360 ObserverArt

Probably bought them at an unregulated gun show across state lines or something.

/// right back at you…

Probably purchased legally within existing state guidelines.

362 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:03:14am

Marylanders and DCers usually come to Virginia to get their guns.

363 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:06:26am
364 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:06:35am

re: #341 blueraven

Lefties were excited about Ahmadinejad? I must have missed that.

His UN speech was a big hit.

365 Archangelus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:07:28am

Rome: Pig Heads Sent to Israeli Embassy and Synagogue

Boxes containing pigs’ heads have been sent to the Israeli embassy in Rome and the city’s synagogue, Italian media reported Saturday.

The package mailed to the embassy in the wealthy Parioli area of the Italian capital was intercepted by police after other similar parcels were sent to the synagogue and the Jewish Museum of Rome.

“Those who insult the Jewish community offend Rome. We reject the intimidation outright,” Rome mayor Ignazio Marino said in a tweet.

The synagogue’s package was delivered Friday just as staff received an anonymous phone call claiming there was a parcel bomb on site, the reports said.

366 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:08:35am

According to my Twitter TL all we need to do is get rid of the NRA. How they accomplish that is unknown to me.

367 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:08:47am

re: #352 Dr Lizardo

Heh. If worse comes to worse, he can wing it to Moscow - his buddy Vlad will put him up in some nice digs, no doubt. Like I said on another thread, maybe he’ll pull an Idi Amin and take the contents of the Central Bank of Ukraine with him should he flee to Moscow.

Yeah, I guess Moscow would shelter him in any case. I think that makes it more likely he’ll stay put and fight. He either wins or ends up in Russia no matter what.

368 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:10:19am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

That right there is a Barking Moonbat.

I’m pretty sure that article was written wearing a Che t-shirt with a Soviet flag on the wall.

369 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:11:00am

I’m hungry. Where’s b_sharp?

370 ObserverArt  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:11:28am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

His UN speech was a big hit.

With who?

I guess you must have a sliding scale of what constitutes a liberal. Pretty nifty tool, that.

371 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:14:10am

Judge Says Websites Must Face Defamation Lawsuit For Calling Climate Scientist A ‘Fraud’

A judge for the D.C. Superior Court on Thursday refused to let libertarian think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) and conservative news site National Review off the hook from a defamation lawsuit brought by climatologist Michael Mann, saying the sites’ musings about the accuracy of Mann’s research may not be protected by the First Amendment.

Mann had sued the outlets in 2012, claiming they published defamatory articles accusing him of academic fraud and comparing him to a convicted child molester, former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. Specifically, Mann alleged that CEI published — and then National Review republished — an article calling Mann “the Jerry Sandusky of climate science, except that instead of molesting children, he has molested and tortured data in the service of politicized science that could have dire economic consequences for the nation and planet.”

372 blueraven  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:20:55am

re: #364 Killgore Trout

His UN speech was a big hit.

Which UN speech would that be? I don’t recall any leftie excitement, just people walking out in droves.

373 Ryan King  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:23:14am

Speech! Speech!

374 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:30:21am

Watched a video the other day of a motorcycle jacking in Brazil. Guy his his GoPro on his helmet. Another motorcycle pulled alongside and the rider grabs his bike with one hand and the other he’s holding a revolver. Takes bike pushes it to the middle of the road and gets ready to split. Then, a Brazilian military policeman gets out of his frumpy black VW Golf and blam, blam, blam. Shoots the motorcycle jacker down. 5 minutes later after a crowd gathered including other authorities showed up, he gets back in his Golf and leaves.

375 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:30:35am

kyivpost.com

9:18 p.m., Jan. 25 — President Viktor Yanukovych fired his spokeswoman Daria Chepak, according to the order published on president’s web-site. By separate order Yanukovych also fired Andriy Yermolayev from the post of director of National Institute of Strategic Studies, country’s main state think tank.

Both Chepak and Yermolayev reportedly asked Yanukovych for resignation of Jan. 17 in protest against signing by Yanukovych of anti-protests laws on that day. One more person, who resigned in protest to the controversial bills, was Sergiy Liovochkin, former president’s chief of staff.

376 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:32:30am
377 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:32:39am

re: #374 Gus

Watched a video the other day of a motorcycle jacking in Brazil. Guy his his GoPro on his helmet. Another motorcycle pulled alongside and the rider grabs his bike with one hand and the other he’s holding a revolver. Takes bike pushes it to the middle of the road and gets ready to split. Then, a Brazilian military policeman gets out of his frumpy black VW Golf and blam, blam, blam. Shoots the motorcycle jacker down. 5 minutes later after a crowd gathered including other authorities showed up, he gets back in his Golf and leaves.

They weem to have pretty lax laws when it comes to shooting people over there. Lots of CCTV videos of off duty cops shooting guys robbing a store, etc. They can even shoot them in the back and nobody seems to mind much.

378 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:32:56am

They’re still at it.

379 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:33:18am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

kyivpost.com

The wording is throwing more a little in the second paragraph. They asked to resign or they asked for his resignation?

380 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:33:28am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

They weem to have pretty lax laws when it comes to shooting people over there. Lots of CCTV videos of off duty cops shooting guys robbing a store, etc. They can even shoot them in the back and nobody seems to mind much.

BTW, City of the Gods (Brazilian gangster movie) is worth watching.

381 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:33:52am

re: #378 Gus

They’re still at it.

[Embedded content]

Real tyrants don’t bother with coffins.

..
.
DRONZ.

382 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:34:21am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

They weem to have pretty lax laws when it comes to shooting people over there. Lots of CCTV videos of off duty cops shooting guys robbing a store, etc. They can even shoot them in the back and nobody seems to mind much.

Yep. A lot of them are off-duty military police. Or on-duty but they seem to pop up out of nowhere.

383 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:35:16am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I guess Moscow would shelter him in any case. I think that makes it more likely he’ll stay put and fight. He either wins or ends up in Russia no matter what.

I figure it’s likewise with Assad; in the worst-case scenario, he can always skedaddle to Moscow. I’m sure he’s got a dacha somewhere on Black Sea or something. Maybe a penthouse in Moscow. The Assad family has long-standing ties with the Russians.

384 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:36:13am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

kyivpost.com

Not Daria!

What about Jane?!

:)

385 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:36:54am

This is still going on.

386 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:36:54am

re: #379 Targetpractice

The wording is throwing more a little in the second paragraph. They asked to resign or they asked for his resignation?

The wording is confusing but I interpreted it to mean the advisors who were fired asked the President to step down when he signed the anti-protest laws.

387 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:37:17am

re: #380 Killgore Trout

BTW, City of the Gods (Brazilian gangster movie) is worth watching.

CIty of God (Cidade de Deus) is one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen. Nothing short of a masterpiece, in my opinion.

388 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:38:13am
389 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:40:38am

re: #386 Killgore Trout

The wording is confusing but I interpreted it to mean the advisors who were fired asked the President to step down when he signed the anti-protest laws.

That was the way I read it as well. Seems he’s chosen to rid himself of any he feels as not being truly dedicated to the cause.

390 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:40:38am
391 Testy Toad T  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:42:43am

re: #390 NJDhockeyfan

“I went to a fight revolution and a hockey game broke out!”

392 Bulworth  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:43:02am

re: #376 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

This is where I live.

393 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:46:21am
394 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:51:37am

Damn, North Korea beat us to the Sun…

North Korea confirms it has landed a man on the Sun

This just in: North Korea has landed a man on the Sun. 17-year-old Hung Il Gong started his journey at 3am this morning, travelling alone, to reach our nearest star, a journey that took him just 4 hours.

A North Korean central news anchorman said during a live broadcast: “We are very delighted to announce a successful mission to put a man on the sun. North Korea has beaten every other country in the world to the sun. Hung Il Gong is a hero and deserves a hero’s welcome when he returns home later this evening”.

Hung is expected back on Earth in just a few hours time, where he will be greeted by his uncle, and supreme leader: Kim Jong-un. Hung traveled in the cover of darkness, as it would protect him from the harsh, and extreme temperatures of the Sun. Hung will also be bringing back some sun spot samples for his uncle, which I’m sure he will show off to the world in a short amount of time.

395 Bulworth  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:53:48am

re: #394 NJDhockeyfan

Obviously we’ve been slacking over here.

396 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:53:51am
397 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:56:34am

re: #390 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Whoa, okay, that was freaky. At first glance the guy looked like some kind of android. Even after reading the caption I had to stare at it for several seconds to get my brain to understand that the knee-pads were holding up the legs of his pants and exposing some kind of striped fabric covering his lower legs—which my brain insisted on processing as wires necessary to operate his robotic legs.

Yeah, I know it makes no sense. Weird what your head can tell you: “Don’t believe your lying eyes—it’s an evil Slavic android!!11!” *facepalm*

Man, I think I need some more coffee.

398 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:57:26am

re: #394 NJDhockeyfan

In related news, The Onion announces it’s shutting down operations, as nothing they come up can possibly top the North Koreans.

399 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:57:28am

This was on Ministry of Internal Affairs website. It doesn’t sound much like they want to settle if they’re accusing protesters of using napalm-like substances. This is rather suspicious, coming on the heels of Yanukovych’s “offer”.

“MIA was informed that the protesters central part of the capital in large quantities harvested fiery blend that has properties similar to napalm . To the mixture was added a sticky substance such as fused foam. According to experts, such explosives can be attributed to the professional .

“Veteran MIA , former head of the State Service vybuhotehnichnoyi Research Forensic Centre of Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Viktor Pashchenko , which in his professional life neutralized more than 30 thousand pieces of explosives argues that such mixtures are extremely dangerous.

”- Inflammatory mixtures that are not easily flammable , such as diesel fuel and gasoline , as a professional, close to the military (such as napalm ). Getting on the human body, these mixtures burn intensely, with the release of heat. Moreover, they stick to clothing and to the human body, and make it impossible to extinguish . There are very serious and severe burns . This suggests that the use of such a mixture is more professional - Viktor Pashchenko.

“Moreover warned Victor Pashchenko and use of fireworks , as inept it may result in damage not only to those who have it pierced , but those who launches. Especially dangerous shards that fly off firecrackers.”

mvs.gov.ua

400 Gus  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:57:53am

Cheer up. We still have nuclear weapons that can kill billions of people and cause, in theory, a nuclear winter around the globe. We haven’t used those yet.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 11:58:23am

re: #397 CuriousLurker

Whoa, okay, that was freaky. At first glance the guy looked like some kind of android. Even after reading the caption I had to stare at it for several seconds to get my brain to understand that the knee-pads were holding up the legs of his pants and exposing some kind of striped fabric covering his lower legs—which my brain insisted on processing as wires necessary to operate his robotic legs.

Yeah, I know it makes no sense. Weird what your head can tell you, “Don’t believe your lying eyes—it’s an evil Slavic android!!11!” *facepalm*

Man, I think I need some more coffee.

Heh I saw that too. I thought he had a robotic leg at first.

402 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:00:02pm

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

Heh I saw that too. I thought he had a robotic leg at first.

Whew, okay. Good to know I wasn’t alone. O_o

403 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:00:11pm

For those of you interested in checking out something a little different, here’s the Dhikr from the Sufi Center in Berlin:

livestream.com

404 Testy Toad T  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:00:39pm

re: #401 NJDhockeyfan

Heh I saw that too. I thought he had a robotic leg at first.

Me three.

405 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:00:47pm

re: #398 Dr Lizardo

In related news, The Onion announces it’s shutting down operations, as nothing they come up can possibly top the North Koreans.

Those Norks are pretty smart. Who else would have thought that you should wait until dark to fly to the Sun?

Genius!

406 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:03:14pm

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

Those Norks are pretty smart. Who else would have thought that you should wait until dark to fly to the Sun?

Genius!

Hell, I didn’t even know you could land on the Sun!

Brilliance!!

407 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:04:57pm

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

For those of you have are checking out something a little different, here’s the Dhikr from the Sufi Center in Berlin:

livestream.com

It’s dark and soothing.

408 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:05:30pm
409 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:07:02pm

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

[Embedded content]

I’m sure they conveyed their refusal to accept his terms in the most diplomatic terms possible.

////

410 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:07:06pm

re: #403 Dr Lizardo

For those of you interested in checking out something a little different, here’s the Dhikr from the Sufi Center in Berlin:

livestream.com

Nice morning music.

411 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:07:48pm

re: #407 wrenchwench

It’s dark and soothing.

They always turn down the light during the Dkihr. It gets going when the drums start up and the dervish begins.

At the end of the Dkihr, there’s usually everyone standing in a circle chanting the shahada. It’s energetic, to say the least.

412 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:08:34pm

re: #409 Targetpractice

I’m sure they conveyed their refusal to accept his terms in the most diplomatic terms possible.

////

It probably looked like this

413 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:10:23pm

What I’m seeing from Ukraine is that if Yanukovych doesn’t waive conditions of his “offer”, there’s no deal.

I have a feeling that tonight is going to be long and brutal. No doubt the Berkut have orders to clamp down in that event. I hope I’m wrong.

I’m going to make coffee. And there’s this:

9:18 p.m., Jan. 25 — President Viktor Yanukovych fired his spokeswoman Daria Chepak, according to the order published on president’s web-site. By separate order Yanukovych also fired Andriy Yermolayev from the post of director of National Institute of Strategic Studies, country’s main state think tank.

Both Chepak and Yermolayev reportedly asked Yanukovych for resignation of Jan. 17 in protest against signing by Yanukovych of anti-protests laws on that day. One more person, who resigned in protest to the controversial bills, was Sergiy Liovochkin, former president’s chief of staff. — Oksana Grytsenko

kyivpost.com

414 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:15:27pm

Google translation:

“Today, another activist died - Roman Senik . Memory Eternal !

“Some days the doctors fought for his life but the wounds were too severe. He was seriously wounded in the lung, underwent several operations had to be amputated hand” - said Sekh .

“Roman Senyk was 45 years old. He hails from Yavoriv recent years lived in Turka. He buried Yavoriv .

“As you know , January 23 Yevromaydan -SOS published through social networks call on the need for a blood test to Roman SENYK, who suffered at Hrushevskoho .

“In particular, it was reported that the sniper he prostrelyv lung , as well as wounding of pump action shotguns in the shoulder , causing him amputated arm, and he lost 3.5 liters of blood.

“Senik underwent three surgeries and was in a coma.

“The same day, 4 hours more than 200 people of Kiev donated blood for the victim.”

vk.com

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:25:38pm

re: #389 Targetpractice

That was the way I read it as well. Seems he’s chosen to rid himself of any he feels as not being truly dedicated to the cause.

The Chris Christie method of dealing with PR problems…

//

416 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:26:41pm

re: #370 ObserverArt

re: #372 blueraven

I’m pretty sure that a single DK diary that sounds even mildly approving of anything Ahmadinejad said constitutes “lefties” (as a monolithic bloc) being excited and supportive of any/everything he has ever uttered, no matter how egregious. ‘Cause, y’know lefties—like righties, but unlike independent thinkers such as KT—are incapable of having an original thought due to their lemming-like tendency to unquestioningly follow all directives issued by their respective partisan news outlets.

Thank goodness there’s someone here to point out our shortcomings and occasionally shake us awake, otherwise we’d wander around in a partisan fog 24/7.

//

417 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 12:29:04pm

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

It probably looked like this

[Embedded image]

LOL—I’m still listening to the Sufis chanting form another tab and that last picture there caused me some serious cognitive dissonance.

418 RealityBasedSteve  Sat, Jan 25, 2014 1:06:22pm

re: #397 CuriousLurker

Whoa, okay, that was freaky. At first glance the guy looked like some kind of android. Even after reading the caption I had to stare at it for several seconds to get my brain to understand that the knee-pads were holding up the legs of his pants and exposing some kind of striped fabric covering his lower legs—which my brain insisted on processing as wires necessary to operate his robotic legs.

Yeah, I know it makes no sense. Weird what your head can tell you: “Don’t believe your lying eyes—it’s an evil Slavic android!!11!” *facepalm*

Man, I think I need some more coffee.

Sounds like you took a trip into, if not the “Uncanny Valley”, then you were in the same region. (and yes, it threw me for a minute too, I was thinking it was a prosthetic leg).

RBS


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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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